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est31 |
hmmmm, this might interest you https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13126 |
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VanessaE |
I think I chased him off :P |
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hmmmm |
ugh |
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hmmmm |
i'll have to add a comment for -bound % bound |
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hmmmm |
I guess it's really non-obvious |
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est31 |
you should also make the comment match the actual code |
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hmmmm |
with regard to the documentation being inaccurate - that's correct, the variance is not 1. i don't know why I wrote that |
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hmmmm |
I correctly have the variance in the unit test :p |
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est31 |
:D |
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celeron55 |
<+est31> celeron55, did you know that rubenwardy has added a patch to customize the map limit? |
| 06:55 |
celeron55 |
yes, i am yet to test it for my purposes |
| 06:58 |
est31 |
and about "keeping all blocks loaded", like in an RTS setting, the method that unloads blocks could be made customizeable with lua |
| 07:00 |
est31 |
hrmm, the function inside register_on_placenode seems to not work for tree trunks |
| 07:12 |
est31 |
seems to be an mtgame bug |
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est31 |
btw celeron55 what is your "purpose"? an RTS? |
| 08:10 |
celeron55 |
stop talking about RTS |
| 08:10 |
celeron55 |
that's ridiculous |
| 08:10 |
celeron55 |
my purpose for a fixed-size all-active world is a base defence game of sorts |
| 08:17 |
est31 |
okay |
| 08:18 |
est31 |
about the website |
| 08:18 |
est31 |
the poll has ended, and the result was that the public favours Calinou's entry |
| 08:28 |
est31 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=12843 |
| 08:29 |
est31 |
The next step would be that the core devs decide which submission to take |
| 08:29 |
est31 |
I have tried multiple times to start discussions, but never succeeded |
| 08:29 |
celeron55 |
why wasn't the old site in the poll? |
| 08:29 |
celeron55 |
this poll is flawed |
| 08:29 |
est31 |
do you want to repeat it? |
| 08:30 |
est31 |
with the old site added? |
| 08:31 |
celeron55 |
oh whatever, i'll just take calinou's site into use and see what people think |
| 08:31 |
celeron55 |
this isn't a big deal at all |
| 08:32 |
est31 |
agreed |
| 08:39 |
celeron55 |
www.minetest.net is now set to be a cname to minetest.github.io and the repo is at https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io |
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| 08:41 |
celeron55 |
and the core team now has access to it |
| 08:42 |
celeron55 |
uh oh, it broke |
| 08:43 |
est31 |
also perhaps people like rubenwardy or Calinou should get access too, they had it before, and they are trusted |
| 08:43 |
celeron55 |
i wonder why this isn't working |
| 08:44 |
kahrl_ |
perhaps it's a virtual host and github checks the Host: header? |
| 08:45 |
est31 |
https://help.github.com/articles/adding-a-cname-file-to-your-repository/ |
| 08:49 |
celeron55 |
hmm well this makes sense |
| 08:51 |
celeron55 |
now it works |
| 08:53 |
celeron55 |
i made a new team "Minetest Website Team" and invited Calinou and rubenwardy to it |
| 08:53 |
celeron55 |
maybe this is sufficient for now |
| 08:55 |
kahrl_ |
I'm not sure about the mention of "Hunger Games" |
| 08:55 |
kahrl_ |
it's a registered trademark in the US and probably elsewhere |
| 08:57 |
kahrl_ |
http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4808:zia5gm.2.38 "Goods and services: ... providing online computer games" |
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celeron55 |
yes, using it as a server or game name isn't fair use |
| 08:59 |
celeron55 |
(saying that minetest is inspired by minecraft kind of is, altough that might be a bit grey too) |
| 08:59 |
kilbith |
the D/L link/page needs updating on the new website |
| 09:00 |
kilbith |
Calinou ^ |
| 09:02 |
Calinou |
ok, I'll try updating it |
| 09:06 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: your new site breaks http://minetest.net/servers |
| 09:06 |
sfan5 |
any reason why we don't have that? |
| 09:08 |
Calinou |
well, it was never implemented to be frank; I'd personally suggest having better/responsive styling for http://servers.minetest.net and point people to there |
| 09:08 |
Calinou |
we can make a redirection of http://minetest.net/servers/index.html to http://servers.minetest.net |
| 09:09 |
sfan5 |
minetest.net/servers is a little different from servers.minetest.net |
| 09:09 |
sfan5 |
it also had additional information |
| 09:09 |
sfan5 |
not just the list |
| 09:12 |
Calinou |
we can tweak servers.minetest.net to have that information then? |
| 09:12 |
sfan5 |
why not just add a servers.html |
| 09:13 |
Calinou |
how do we integrate the server list in it? iframe sucks :) |
| 09:14 |
sfan5 |
the old servers page did not work with iframes |
| 09:14 |
sfan5 |
s/work with/use/ |
| 09:15 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:minetest.net/servers&strip=0&vwsrc=1 |
| 09:16 |
sfan5 |
also what about the piwik tracking we had? |
| 09:16 |
sfan5 |
does the new site have it? |
| 09:16 |
Calinou |
nope |
| 09:16 |
Calinou |
you can put the tracking code in _includes/footer.html, it'll work |
| 09:17 |
sfan5 |
the code should be in <head> |
| 09:18 |
Calinou |
no, it should be at the bottom of <body> |
| 09:18 |
Calinou |
it's more efficient that way |
| 09:19 |
sfan5 |
piwik says otherwise |
| 09:19 |
Calinou |
what's their rationale for that? |
| 09:20 |
sfan5 |
ah wait |
| 09:20 |
sfan5 |
actually they say it should be just after <body> |
| 09:20 |
sfan5 |
(at the beginning of the body) |
| 09:21 |
sfan5 |
http://developer.piwik.org/guides/tracking-javascript-guide |
| 09:30 |
Calinou |
I might implement a lightbox for the gallery |
| 09:30 |
Calinou |
http://sachinchoolur.github.io/lightGallery/ |
| 09:30 |
Calinou |
this one seems good |
| 09:30 |
Calinou |
(we have jQuery already) |
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rubenwardy |
Calinou, good to merge? https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest.github.io/commit/a28b5d9043fbc2b08b668c323072c07b30ac9572 |
| 10:07 |
rubenwardy |
also, celeron55, please use minetest.net not www.minetest.net :P |
| 10:07 |
VanessaE |
rubenwardy: put a picture of an unknown node on the page :) |
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rubenwardy |
good idea |
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rubenwardy |
http://pasteboard.co/gnBwynv.png |
| 10:28 |
rubenwardy |
Pushing in 5 https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest.github.io/commit/d5879d33454a4f62427b6782fafb6d5bb621f096 :P |
| 10:28 |
VanessaE |
perfect :) |
| 10:30 |
Calinou |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/657 |
| 10:31 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: bear in mind plantlife's lilypads also |
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| 10:32 |
kilbith |
VE's mods are the center of the universe... |
| 10:32 |
VanessaE |
kilbith: um, no... ironzorg came up with these long before you (or I) ever found minetest. |
| 10:33 |
kilbith |
you're referring to the textures, right ? |
| 10:33 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 10:33 |
kilbith |
so what's your point ? |
| 10:33 |
Calinou |
Carbone had lilypads too :) |
| 10:33 |
VanessaE |
I was referring to the *existence* of them and how these compare with the ones in plantlife. |
| 10:34 |
kilbith |
what do you suggest exactly ? |
| 10:35 |
VanessaE |
aw shit. celeron55: "minetest.net/forum" links don't work anymore |
| 10:36 |
Calinou |
I could create a page forum.html that redirects to forum.minetest.net |
| 10:36 |
Calinou |
but how do we handle existing links? |
| 10:36 |
Calinou |
same for servers.html -> servers.minetest.net |
| 10:36 |
Calinou |
(if someone tries to access minetest.net/servers, without .html, it works too) |
| 10:38 |
rubenwardy |
Grr, 2 space indents :( |
| 10:38 |
rubenwardy |
atom doesn't like it |
| 10:39 |
Calinou |
uh, why not? |
| 10:39 |
Calinou |
that's what I use |
| 10:39 |
Calinou |
it's actually the default in Atom |
| 10:39 |
rubenwardy |
omg |
| 10:39 |
Calinou |
be sure to install "indentation-indicator" and "detect indentation" packages |
| 10:39 |
Calinou |
those are very helpful |
| 10:39 |
rubenwardy |
you did <br /></li> |
| 10:39 |
Calinou |
that's not me, I guess |
| 10:40 |
Calinou |
there is stray DokuWiki code left in some pages |
| 10:40 |
Calinou |
I removed some of it this morning |
| 10:40 |
VanessaE |
well I Was gonna reference the screenshot from plantlife, but after finding it, it's old anyway. Calinou: waterlilies there have several variants - four that are identical but at different rotations which, combined with param2, allow rotating them at 22.5 degree increments. The others are just variations of smaller lilypads i.e. 2 or 3 together |
| 10:40 |
kilbith |
the code in that PR is way more efficient ;) |
| 10:40 |
kilbith |
PTAL |
| 10:41 |
rubenwardy |
I'm going through and switching to _layouts, please don't do anything big for a while |
| 10:41 |
rubenwardy |
maybe ~30minutes |
| 10:41 |
Calinou |
yeah, please improve the Jekyll usage |
| 10:41 |
Calinou |
it is pretty poor right now |
| 10:41 |
rubenwardy |
Jekyll is awesome |
| 10:41 |
VanessaE |
and the base node is called flowers:waterlily |
| 10:41 |
kilbith |
lilypad, waterlily... |
| 10:41 |
kilbith |
it's the same thing |
| 10:41 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy, also, don't you think my pages are overindented? other than includes |
| 10:41 |
Calinou |
I kept the indentation to make it consistent, but I think it's a bad idea |
| 10:42 |
Calinou |
I think I should reset to no indentation every page |
| 10:42 |
rubenwardy |
what do you mean? |
| 10:42 |
Calinou |
right now, pages like index.html use lots of indentation |
| 10:42 |
Calinou |
the indentation level is "inherited" from the header include |
| 10:43 |
Calinou |
but it doesn't make sense really, so it should probably be removed |
| 10:43 |
VanessaE |
kilbith: again, ironzorg established this long before you or I ever showed up. I just made their spawning behavior better. Don't use a different node name if there's no reason to. |
| 10:44 |
kilbith |
i'm the 1st one to use this method for generating them |
| 10:44 |
kilbith |
you have not looked at the code apparently |
| 10:44 |
VanessaE |
I have. |
| 10:44 |
VanessaE |
I don't care about the code right now. |
| 10:44 |
VanessaE |
I care about the NODE NAME. |
| 10:45 |
rubenwardy |
Why didn't you use scss? |
| 10:45 |
kilbith |
i still don't get your point |
| 10:45 |
rubenwardy |
Jekyll supports it in core |
| 10:45 |
kilbith |
what do you want exactly ? |
| 10:45 |
VanessaE |
*headdesk* |
| 10:47 |
kilbith |
i'm getting sick of those ppl opening their mouths for the sake of it |
| 10:47 |
VanessaE |
and I'm getting G*d damned sick and tired of you jumping on me every time I say anything at all |
| 10:48 |
kilbith |
your problem, commenting on everything with a low-relevance |
| 10:48 |
kilbith |
seem like you have no real life |
| 10:49 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: in any case, you should change the node name and consider adding one or two of the other types of waterlilies from flowers_plus. Fewer aliases and less for me to maintain then. :) |
| 10:56 |
VanessaE |
"no real life"... says the guy who still lives with his mom and won't get a job because it violates his sense of freedom |
| 10:56 |
kilbith |
you realizes i could sue you for violating my private life in public ? |
| 10:57 |
VanessaE |
good luck with that. |
| 10:57 |
VanessaE |
I could just as easily sue you for harassment. neither of us would win. |
| 10:57 |
nrzkt |
psst: VanessaE, kilbith, minetest-dev don't care about your current discussion |
| 10:58 |
kilbith |
also who said you can't have a RL in living with your mom and no job ? |
| 10:58 |
kilbith |
you're so pathetic... |
| 10:58 |
VanessaE |
nrzkt: then kindly instruct him to cease the personal attacks |
| 10:58 |
nrzkt |
everybody should |
| 10:59 |
kilbith |
unlike you, i don't reveal the details of your private life for humiliating you |
| 11:04 |
rubenwardy |
Calinou: https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest.github.io/commit/74209a910a1bbe56b4497e640fdcf21224ccba43 |
| 11:05 |
Calinou |
inline styles :s |
| 11:05 |
Calinou |
(I can fix it later) |
| 11:05 |
rubenwardy |
better than using attribute styles |
| 11:05 |
rubenwardy |
I don't want to modify the CSS, as I cba to recompile |
| 11:05 |
rubenwardy |
Why do you use .styl? |
| 11:06 |
Calinou |
it's a CSS preprocessor |
| 11:06 |
Calinou |
http://learnboost.github.io/stylus/ |
| 11:06 |
Calinou |
it's not as popular as Sass (http://sass-lang.com/) but I prefer it for various reasons |
| 11:06 |
Calinou |
including its more permissive syntax (indent-based) |
| 11:07 |
rubenwardy |
sass is bunded with jekyll, though |
| 11:07 |
Calinou |
npm install -g stylus |
| 11:07 |
Calinou |
pretty easy to get Stylus going, as it's written in JavaScript :) |
| 11:08 |
Calinou |
both Sass and Stylus are about as featureful overall |
| 11:08 |
rubenwardy |
but as it's bundled with Jekyll, you don't need to compile it on your computer, it's done at the same time as generating the site |
| 11:08 |
rubenwardy |
http://jekyllrb.com/docs/assets/ |
| 11:08 |
Calinou |
hmm, I wasn't aware of that |
| 11:09 |
Calinou |
some configuration will be needed in Jekyll |
| 11:09 |
Calinou |
I plan to make the directory structure cleaner |
| 11:09 |
Calinou |
move from css/ and js/ to assets/css/ and assets/js/, for instance |
| 11:10 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/jekyll/jekyll-sass-converter/tree/master/example |
| 11:10 |
Calinou |
I also plan to switch to Gulp in the future... |
| 11:10 |
Calinou |
more people seem to favour it |
| 11:10 |
Calinou |
but it's harder to grasp and the documentation isn't as good as Grunt's |
| 11:11 |
rubenwardy |
May I push 74209a910a1bbe56b4497e640fdcf21224ccba43 ? |
| 11:11 |
Calinou |
does it render properly locally? |
| 11:11 |
Calinou |
if so, yes |
| 11:12 |
Calinou |
thanks for making a 404 page too |
| 11:13 |
rubenwardy |
np |
| 11:14 |
rubenwardy |
would it be possible to move all the favicons out of root? |
| 11:15 |
Calinou |
it's possible but not recommended |
| 11:15 |
rubenwardy |
ok |
| 11:15 |
Calinou |
browsers are stupid when it comes to favicons, and the only way to have a nicely working responsive favicon is to have all that clutter in site root :( |
| 11:16 |
Calinou |
I used http://realfavicongenerator.net/ |
| 11:16 |
Calinou |
http://realfavicongenerator.net/favicon_checker?site=minetest.net |
| 11:16 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: "responsive" favicon? |
| 11:16 |
Calinou |
VanessaE, favicon suitable for mobile devices, Windows 8 start screen, high-resolution devices and such |
| 11:17 |
VanessaE |
didn't realize the standard had changed in that regard. |
| 11:17 |
Calinou |
I wish support of SVG favicons was universal... that way, we could have one nice favicon everywhere |
| 11:17 |
Calinou |
http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-icon-svg |
| 11:25 |
VanessaE |
*checks wiki article also* wow. bit different from the 16-32px/.ico "standard" I got used to :P |
| 11:25 |
rubenwardy |
Pushing soon: https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest.github.io/commit/cb6f429453b41bc4c6df3a393e0f5b7e6f54f51a |
| 11:26 |
Calinou |
thanks |
| 11:28 |
rubenwardy |
okay, I'm done :P |
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| 11:54 |
celeron55 |
http://doku.minetest.net/ now goes to the previous site |
| 11:55 |
celeron55 |
< rubenwardy> also, celeron55, please use minetest.net not www.minetest.net |
| 11:55 |
celeron55 |
using minetest.net is a very bad idea |
| 11:55 |
celeron55 |
you can't for example use cnames |
| 11:55 |
Calinou |
let's rename forum.minetest.net to bbs.minetest.net |
| 11:55 |
Calinou |
:) |
| 11:56 |
rubenwardy |
are you sure, celeron55? |
| 11:56 |
nrzkt |
rubenwardy yes. |
| 11:56 |
rubenwardy |
I have rubenwardy.com at github.io, and vps.rubenwardy.com at my vps |
| 11:56 |
nrzkt |
CNAME are not allowed on @ records. |
| 11:56 |
nrzkt |
it's the DNS RFC |
| 11:57 |
rubenwardy |
How did I do it then? |
| 11:57 |
celeron55 |
should we put calinou's site under, say, get.minetest.net and redirect www.minetest.net by default to it, and leave the forum redirects on www.minetest.net/forum working? |
| 11:57 |
celeron55 |
i mean, there are options here |
| 11:57 |
nrzkt |
yes, but www.minetest.net should use a reverse proxy mode |
| 11:58 |
celeron55 |
reverse proxy from my vps to github sites? sounds weird and it would also add latency |
| 11:58 |
nrzkt |
www.minetest.net location / { proxy_pass http://minetest.github.io; }; location /forum { FORUM }; |
| 11:58 |
celeron55 |
it would work though |
| 11:58 |
nrzkt |
reverse proxiing is low latency and the only option if you use directories |
| 11:59 |
rubenwardy |
Ah, I use A Hosts |
| 11:59 |
rubenwardy |
Why do you need CNAMEs? |
| 12:00 |
nrzkt |
because minetest.github.io IP can change it's not you the provider, then stop use bad practices :) |
| 12:00 |
rubenwardy |
github.io says to use A names |
| 12:01 |
celeron55 |
ping from everything.8dromda.net to minetest.github.io is min/avg/max/std-dev = 5.070/40.187/375.863/90.175 ms; that's not very low latency i think |
| 12:01 |
celeron55 |
everything.8dromeda.net* |
| 12:01 |
rubenwardy |
well, it says you can |
| 12:02 |
nrzkt |
is this a static website or a huge high financial trading low latency site ? |
| 12:02 |
celeron55 |
i guess i'll do a reverse proxy then |
| 12:02 |
rubenwardy |
https://help.github.com/articles/tips-for-configuring-an-a-record-with-your-dns-provider/ |
| 12:04 |
rubenwardy |
www. makes me cringe :( |
| 12:06 |
celeron55 |
almost all websites use www; there are reasons for it |
| 12:08 |
rubenwardy |
all the biggest ones don't |
| 12:10 |
celeron55 |
yeah like google.com, reddit.com, facebook.com, mozilla.com |
| 12:10 |
celeron55 |
and all the other ones that will redirect to www while you aren't noticing |
| 12:10 |
rubenwardy |
http://no-www.org/ |
| 12:11 |
celeron55 |
not using the www subdomain only makes sense if the only thing you are hosting at a domain is a website |
| 12:11 |
celeron55 |
but minetest.net has a whole lot of all kinds of stuff under it |
| 12:12 |
rubenwardy |
the http:// bit says it's a website, you don't need the www. |
| 12:13 |
celeron55 |
what if i don't update the A record when github changes their IP |
| 12:14 |
celeron55 |
whatever, this doesn't matter; i'm not going to change it |
| 12:15 |
rubenwardy |
no, it doesn't matter that much |
| 12:15 |
celeron55 |
if someone is going to get mad because of "www.", feel free to |
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nrzkt |
rubenwardy: http(s):// is a URI. www.xxx.com is a domain name. www. permit to know that there is a website under this name, every DNS name is not a website. |
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kahrl_ |
can the menu at the top be made to work without javascript? |
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rubenwardy |
seriously, it doesn't? |
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rubenwardy |
you don't need JS, just CSS :( |
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rubenwardy |
as in, you shouldn't need JS to make a navbar |
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rubenwardy |
Calinou ^ |
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celeron55 |
well it's bootstrap; what do you expect |
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celeron55 |
ideally it should work i guess, though |
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Calinou |
rubenwardy, Bootstrap's dropdowns were made like that |
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Calinou |
moreover, dropdowns showing on click are clearly better usability |
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Calinou |
no one wants dropdowns that appear on hover in 2015 |
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Calinou |
today, 1.1 % of users don't have JavaScript enabled, according to UK government |
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Calinou |
that's very little, and I believe many of them are bots that pretend to be normal users |
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VanessaE |
that's all? |
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VanessaE |
I'd have thought it would be a bit more |
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rubenwardy |
Minetest will have more JS-phobes than other websites, due to it being an open source project |
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nrzkt |
rubenwardy: source ? |
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nrzkt |
who in this channel have JS disabled in every website ? |
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rubenwardy |
RMS, the JS trap |
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nrzkt |
RMS is RMS. |
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nrzkt |
Are you using Hurd ? |
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nrzkt |
RMS uses Hurd. |
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Calinou |
he does not |
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Calinou |
he uses an X60 that runs Trisquel |
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Calinou |
rubenwardy, all the JavaScript used on minetest.net is free btw |
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Calinou |
I don't have any proprietary dependencies |
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Calinou |
but it isn't marked for LibreJS |
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celeron55 |
i think we should make sure the site is at least somehow usable without javascript |
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celeron55 |
i mean, just add a <noscript>(a bunch of links</noscript> at the top if nothing else |
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celeron55 |
+) |
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rubenwardy |
yeah, that's the best solution |
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celeron55 |
completely ignoring non-js-browsers is kind of silly, as is making everything work without javascript |
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Calinou |
some crawlers might not support JS, but I think Google's does support it now |
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celeron55 |
http://wwwtest.minetest.net/ <- this now contains a site that reverse proxies to minetest.github.io for everything else except /forum, which it redirects as before |
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celeron55 |
if this seems the way to go, i can enable it on www.minetest.net |
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celeron55 |
it doesn't seem to be noticeably slower for me at least |
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celeron55 |
but of course github might do some CDNing and i don't so in the US it might be slower |
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celeron55 |
(RTT to US from my server seems to be about 120ms; it's not terrible but it might be noticeable) |
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paramat |
hi nore sfan5 please can i merge game#654 ? |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/654 -- Default: Allow papyrus growing on sand group by paramat |
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sfan5 |
paramat: look at my comment |
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sfan5 |
the last two ones |
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VanessaE |
why not add a new node for them to grow on? i.e. "sandy soil" or some such |
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T4im |
farming has that already btw, farming:desert_sand_soil(_wet) |
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VanessaE |
there you go :) |
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VanessaE |
only problem there is it's hoed "soil". |
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paramat |
ah okay sfan5 will check those |
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paramat |
get_node(pos) is needed because it is checking the node below the abm 'node' |
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paramat |
if 'group:sand' doesn't work i'll use specific names |
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paramat |
the base nodes need to have the 'sand' texture for the blend, we know it's wet because of it's placement at water level |
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VanessaE |
so like I said, make a new node - default:sandy_soil_wet or something, that looks like a cross between dirt (without grass) and sand |
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paramat |
well i prefer the normal sand textures for seamless blend (see screenshot), and it would be nice to be able to plant papyrus on beaches without preparation. also simplicity |
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paramat |
the lilypads PR looks nice |
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VanessaE |
did you see my comment about the node name there? |
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paramat |
no, where? |
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VanessaE |
it was part of a discussion earlier in here. |
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paramat |
oh okay will read logs |
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VanessaE |
short version: call it flowers:waterlily |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
and perhaps add some of the other features from plantlife/flowers_plus |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
as long as you're adding that node. |
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paramat |
ah good idea |
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paramat |
game#655 firelike drawtype is over engineered, it often ends up a box with a cross, i think the old plantlike drawtype looked better |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/655 -- Simplification of fire drawtype |
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kilbith |
i inquired about the name "waterlily", it's actually the flower |
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kilbith |
lilypad refers to the vegetal pad |
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kilbith |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_lily |
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paramat |
flowers:waterlily is the best to use, refering to the whole |
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kilbith |
the whole is the lilypad |
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kilbith |
waterlily is only the flower |
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paramat |
ah |
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VanessaE |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nymphaeaceae |
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VanessaE |
picture caption is a lilypad + flower, "Giant Water Lily sprouting a flower" |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
the "pad" is just leaves from the lily. |
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paramat |
correct |
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VanessaE |
so "waterlily" is the correct name for this object. |
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kilbith |
i only see flowers on google images |
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kilbith |
both naming are correct then |
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paramat |
yeah waterlilly is best, plus the use in mt history |
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kilbith |
in some mod history |
| 19:44 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=518 |
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VanessaE |
posted sun Dec 04, 2011. |
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kilbith |
also what was the features you were referring to, VanessaE ? |
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VanessaE |
wow, look at those old tree textures :D |
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kilbith |
.. so ? |
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paramat |
wow lilies were removed from flowers |
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paramat |
nice bright grass |
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kilbith |
alright, i'm ignored |
| 19:49 |
VanessaE |
nope, you're not ignored. |
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kilbith |
so what are the features you want for those waterlilies ? |
| 19:51 |
VanessaE |
doesn't matter now. |
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kilbith |
O.o |
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paramat |
nore sfan5 can i merge game#654 later once i fix those issues? with it growing on sand and desert sand |
| 20:20 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/654 -- Default: Allow papyrus growing on sand group by paramat |
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sofar |
I'm seeing this while building HEAD: |
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sofar |
git/minetest/src/voxel.cpp:581:1: warning: 'virtual const c8* irr::scene::IBoneSceneNode::getBoneName() const' is deprecated [-Wdeprecated-declarations] |
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sofar |
my irrlicht is up to date, do I need an unstable irrlicht? |
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kilbith |
arch linux, right ? |
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sofar |
yah |
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kilbith |
forget that then |
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sofar |
oh, 1.8.2 is released today |
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kilbith |
for explanations, sfan5 may be your man |
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sofar |
I'm seeing game lockups/hangs, so I thought I'd try rebuilding |
| 20:38 |
kilbith |
i see those lockups/hangs as well |
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kilbith |
thought it was my drivers but apparently correlate by several |
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paramat |
what all those little freezes? |
| 20:41 |
kilbith |
on this french video, the guy complains about this as well : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__vEGD2ghwA |
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kilbith |
he's on 0.4.13 |
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kilbith |
those lockups can be up to ~0.5s |
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sofar |
mine are like 10s |
| 20:51 |
sfan5 |
sofar: you can ignore those warnings, no idea about the lockups |
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sfan5 |
i use arch too and i dont get them |
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sfan5 |
I'm using clang for compiling though |
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VanessaE |
"lockups" if you want to call them that, are typically little under 1 second (everything stops and view distance drops to the minimum, briefly) |
| 20:53 |
sfan5 |
paramat: whether it is ok or not it kinda depends on how you fix the issues |
| 20:53 |
VanessaE |
for me that is. |
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sfan5 |
s/it // |
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paramat |
okay |
| 20:55 |
VanessaE |
btw, is it intended behavior that the minimap should retain blocks that have otherwise been expired? |
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paramat |
sfan5 i will specify 'sand' and 'desert sand' instead of group:sand. also, 'get node pos' is needed because we are checking the node below the ABM node |
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paramat |
'pos.y = pos.y - 1' |
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paramat |
erm minimap has issues apparently |
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paramat |
RBA intends to rewrite it apparently |
| 21:00 |
VanessaE |
RBA isn't coding for MT anymore though. |
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paramat |
we might be able to port the improved version over |
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paramat |
or hmmmmm might fix it |
| 21:01 |
VanessaE |
that's his intent, yeah |
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paramat |
shaders too are a bit of a mess, unfinished, unfixed |
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VanessaE |
paramat: did you give any further thought to adding other models/shapes to mt_game ? |
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VanessaE |
(i.e. those slopes) |
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paramat |
naw, i'm sortof neutral about it so i'll leave that up to whatever dev is enthusiastic |
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VanessaE |
ok. |
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