Time  Nick       Message
00:52 est31      hmmmm, this might interest you https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13126
00:54 VanessaE   I think I chased him off :P
04:52 hmmmm      ugh
04:52 hmmmm      i'll have to add a comment for -bound % bound
04:52 hmmmm      I guess it's really non-obvious
04:53 est31      you should also make the comment match the actual code
04:53 hmmmm      with regard to the documentation being inaccurate - that's correct, the variance is not 1.  i don't know why I wrote that
04:53 hmmmm      I correctly have the variance in the unit test :p
04:54 est31      :D
06:55 celeron55  <+est31> celeron55, did you know that rubenwardy has added a patch to customize the map limit?
06:55 celeron55  yes, i am yet to test it for my purposes
06:58 est31      and about "keeping all blocks loaded", like in an RTS setting, the method that unloads blocks could be made customizeable with lua
07:00 est31      hrmm, the function inside register_on_placenode seems to not work for tree trunks
07:12 est31      seems to be an mtgame bug
08:09 est31      btw celeron55 what is your "purpose"? an RTS?
08:10 celeron55  stop talking about RTS
08:10 celeron55  that's ridiculous
08:10 celeron55  my purpose for a fixed-size all-active world is a base defence game of sorts
08:17 est31      okay
08:18 est31      about the website
08:18 est31      the poll has ended, and the result was that the public favours Calinou's entry
08:28 est31      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=12843
08:29 est31      The next step would be that the core devs decide which submission to take
08:29 est31      I have tried multiple times to start discussions, but never succeeded
08:29 celeron55  why wasn't the old site in the poll?
08:29 celeron55  this poll is flawed
08:29 est31      do you want to repeat it?
08:30 est31      with the old site added?
08:31 celeron55  oh whatever, i'll just take calinou's site into use and see what people think
08:31 celeron55  this isn't a big deal at all
08:32 est31      agreed
08:39 celeron55  www.minetest.net is now set to be a cname to minetest.github.io and the repo is at https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io
08:41 celeron55  and the core team now has access to it
08:42 celeron55  uh oh, it broke
08:43 est31      also perhaps people like rubenwardy or Calinou should get access too, they had it before, and they are trusted
08:43 celeron55  i wonder why this isn't working
08:44 kahrl_     perhaps it's a virtual host and github checks the Host: header?
08:45 est31      https://help.github.com/articles/adding-a-cname-file-to-your-repository/
08:49 celeron55  hmm well this makes sense
08:51 celeron55  now it works
08:53 celeron55  i made a new team "Minetest Website Team" and invited Calinou and rubenwardy to it
08:53 celeron55  maybe this is sufficient for now
08:55 kahrl_     I'm not sure about the mention of "Hunger Games"
08:55 kahrl_     it's a registered trademark in the US and probably elsewhere
08:57 kahrl_     http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4808:zia5gm.2.38  "Goods and services: ... providing online computer games"
08:58 celeron55  yes, using it as a server or game name isn't fair use
08:59 celeron55  (saying that minetest is inspired by minecraft kind of is, altough that might be a bit grey too)
08:59 kilbith    the D/L link/page needs updating on the new website
09:00 kilbith    Calinou ^
09:02 Calinou    ok, I'll try updating it
09:06 sfan5      Calinou: your new site breaks http://minetest.net/servers
09:06 sfan5      any reason why we don't have that?
09:08 Calinou    well, it was never implemented to be frank; I'd personally suggest having better/responsive styling for http://servers.minetest.net and point people to there
09:08 Calinou    we can make a redirection of http://minetest.net/servers/index.html to http://servers.minetest.net
09:09 sfan5      minetest.net/servers is a little different from servers.minetest.net
09:09 sfan5      it also had additional information
09:09 sfan5      not just the list
09:12 Calinou    we can tweak servers.minetest.net to have that information then?
09:12 sfan5      why not just add a servers.html
09:13 Calinou    how do we integrate the server list in it? iframe sucks :)
09:14 sfan5      the old servers page did not work with iframes
09:14 sfan5      s/work with/use/
09:15 sfan5      Calinou: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:minetest.net/servers&strip=0&vwsrc=1
09:16 sfan5      also what about the piwik tracking we had?
09:16 sfan5      does the new site have it?
09:16 Calinou    nope
09:16 Calinou    you can put the tracking code in _includes/footer.html, it'll work
09:17 sfan5      the code should be in <head>
09:18 Calinou    no, it should be at the bottom of <body>
09:18 Calinou    it's more efficient that way
09:19 sfan5      piwik says otherwise
09:19 Calinou    what's their rationale for that?
09:20 sfan5      ah wait
09:20 sfan5      actually they say it should be just after <body>
09:20 sfan5      (at the beginning of the body)
09:21 sfan5      http://developer.piwik.org/guides/tracking-javascript-guide
09:30 Calinou    I might implement a lightbox for the gallery
09:30 Calinou    http://sachinchoolur.github.io/lightGallery/
09:30 Calinou    this one seems good
09:30 Calinou    (we have jQuery already)
10:05 rubenwardy Calinou, good to merge? https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest.github.io/commit/a28b5d9043fbc2b08b668c323072c07b30ac9572
10:07 rubenwardy also, celeron55, please use minetest.net not www.minetest.net :P
10:07 VanessaE   rubenwardy: put a picture of an unknown node on the page :)
10:07 rubenwardy good idea
10:27 rubenwardy http://pasteboard.co/gnBwynv.png
10:28 rubenwardy Pushing in 5 https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest.github.io/commit/d5879d33454a4f62427b6782fafb6d5bb621f096 :P
10:28 VanessaE   perfect :)
10:30 Calinou    https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/657
10:31 VanessaE   Calinou: bear in mind plantlife's lilypads also
10:32 kilbith    VE's mods are the center of the universe...
10:32 VanessaE   kilbith: um, no...  ironzorg came up with these long before you (or I) ever found minetest.
10:33 kilbith    you're referring to the textures, right ?
10:33 VanessaE   no.
10:33 kilbith    so what's your point ?
10:33 Calinou    Carbone had lilypads too :)
10:33 VanessaE   I was referring to the *existence* of them and how these compare with the ones in plantlife.
10:34 kilbith    what do you suggest exactly ?
10:35 VanessaE   aw shit.  celeron55: "minetest.net/forum" links don't work anymore
10:36 Calinou    I could create a page forum.html that redirects to forum.minetest.net
10:36 Calinou    but how do we handle existing links?
10:36 Calinou    same for servers.html -> servers.minetest.net
10:36 Calinou    (if someone tries to access minetest.net/servers, without .html, it works too)
10:38 rubenwardy Grr, 2 space indents :(
10:38 rubenwardy atom doesn't like it
10:39 Calinou    uh, why not?
10:39 Calinou    that's what I use
10:39 Calinou    it's actually the default in Atom
10:39 rubenwardy omg
10:39 Calinou    be sure to install "indentation-indicator" and "detect indentation" packages
10:39 Calinou    those are very helpful
10:39 rubenwardy you did <br /></li>
10:39 Calinou    that's not me, I guess
10:40 Calinou    there is stray DokuWiki code left in some pages
10:40 Calinou    I removed some of it this morning
10:40 VanessaE   well I Was gonna reference the screenshot from plantlife, but after finding it, it's old anyway.  Calinou:  waterlilies there have several variants - four that are identical but at different rotations which, combined with param2, allow rotating them at 22.5 degree increments.  The others are just variations of smaller lilypads i.e. 2 or 3 together
10:40 kilbith    the code in that PR is way more efficient ;)
10:40 kilbith    PTAL
10:41 rubenwardy I'm going through and switching to _layouts, please don't do anything big for a while
10:41 rubenwardy maybe ~30minutes
10:41 Calinou    yeah, please improve the Jekyll usage
10:41 Calinou    it is pretty poor right now
10:41 rubenwardy Jekyll is awesome
10:41 VanessaE   and the base node is called flowers:waterlily
10:41 kilbith    lilypad, waterlily...
10:41 kilbith    it's the same thing
10:41 Calinou    rubenwardy, also, don't you think my pages are overindented? other than includes
10:41 Calinou    I kept the indentation to make it consistent, but I think it's a bad idea
10:42 Calinou    I think I should reset to no indentation every page
10:42 rubenwardy what do you mean?
10:42 Calinou    right now, pages like index.html use lots of indentation
10:42 Calinou    the indentation level is "inherited" from the header include
10:43 Calinou    but it doesn't make sense really, so it should probably be removed
10:43 VanessaE   kilbith: again, ironzorg established this long before you or I ever showed up.  I just made their spawning behavior better.  Don't use a different node name if there's no reason to.
10:44 kilbith    i'm the 1st one to use this method for generating them
10:44 kilbith    you have not looked at the code apparently
10:44 VanessaE   I have.
10:44 VanessaE   I don't care about the code right now.
10:44 VanessaE   I care about the NODE NAME.
10:45 rubenwardy Why didn't you use scss?
10:45 kilbith    i still don't get your point
10:45 rubenwardy Jekyll supports it in core
10:45 kilbith    what do you want exactly ?
10:45 VanessaE   *headdesk*
10:47 kilbith    i'm getting sick of those ppl opening their mouths for the sake of it
10:47 VanessaE   and I'm getting G*d damned sick and tired of you jumping on me every time I say anything at all
10:48 kilbith    your problem, commenting on everything with a low-relevance
10:48 kilbith    seem like you have no real life
10:49 VanessaE   Calinou: in any case, you should change the node name and consider adding one or two of the other types of waterlilies from flowers_plus.  Fewer aliases and less for me to maintain then. :)
10:56 VanessaE   "no real life"... says the guy who still lives with his mom and won't get a job because it violates his sense of freedom
10:56 kilbith    you realizes i could sue you for violating my private life in public ?
10:57 VanessaE   good luck with that.
10:57 VanessaE   I could just as easily sue you for harassment.  neither of us would win.
10:57 nrzkt      psst: VanessaE, kilbith, minetest-dev don't care about your current discussion
10:58 kilbith    also who said you can't have a RL in living with your mom and no job ?
10:58 kilbith    you're so pathetic...
10:58 VanessaE   nrzkt: then kindly instruct him to cease the personal attacks
10:58 nrzkt      everybody should
10:59 kilbith    unlike you, i don't reveal the details of your private life for humiliating you
11:04 rubenwardy Calinou: https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest.github.io/commit/74209a910a1bbe56b4497e640fdcf21224ccba43
11:05 Calinou    inline styles :s
11:05 Calinou    (I can fix it later)
11:05 rubenwardy better than using attribute styles
11:05 rubenwardy I don't want to modify the CSS, as I cba to recompile
11:05 rubenwardy Why do you use .styl?
11:06 Calinou    it's a CSS preprocessor
11:06 Calinou    http://learnboost.github.io/stylus/
11:06 Calinou    it's not as popular as Sass (http://sass-lang.com/) but I prefer it for various reasons
11:06 Calinou    including its more permissive syntax (indent-based)
11:07 rubenwardy sass is bunded with jekyll, though
11:07 Calinou    npm install -g stylus
11:07 Calinou    pretty easy to get Stylus going, as it's written in JavaScript :)
11:08 Calinou    both Sass and Stylus are about as featureful overall
11:08 rubenwardy but as it's bundled with Jekyll, you don't need to compile it on your computer, it's done at the same time as generating the site
11:08 rubenwardy http://jekyllrb.com/docs/assets/
11:08 Calinou    hmm, I wasn't aware of that
11:09 Calinou    some configuration will be needed in Jekyll
11:09 Calinou    I plan to make the directory structure cleaner
11:09 Calinou    move from css/ and js/ to assets/css/ and assets/js/, for instance
11:10 rubenwardy https://github.com/jekyll/jekyll-sass-converter/tree/master/example
11:10 Calinou    I also plan to switch to Gulp in the future...
11:10 Calinou    more people seem to favour it
11:10 Calinou    but it's harder to grasp and the documentation isn't as good as Grunt's
11:11 rubenwardy May I push 74209a910a1bbe56b4497e640fdcf21224ccba43 ?
11:11 Calinou    does it render properly locally?
11:11 Calinou    if so, yes
11:12 Calinou    thanks for making a 404 page too
11:13 rubenwardy np
11:14 rubenwardy would it be possible to move all the favicons out of root?
11:15 Calinou    it's possible but not recommended
11:15 rubenwardy ok
11:15 Calinou    browsers are stupid when it comes to favicons, and the only way to have a nicely working responsive favicon is to have all that clutter in site root :(
11:16 Calinou    I used http://realfavicongenerator.net/
11:16 Calinou    http://realfavicongenerator.net/favicon_checker?site=minetest.net
11:16 VanessaE   Calinou: "responsive" favicon?
11:16 Calinou    VanessaE, favicon suitable for mobile devices, Windows 8 start screen, high-resolution devices and such
11:17 VanessaE   didn't realize the standard had changed in that regard.
11:17 Calinou    I wish support of SVG favicons was universal... that way, we could have one nice favicon everywhere
11:17 Calinou    http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-icon-svg
11:25 VanessaE   *checks wiki article also*  wow.  bit different from the 16-32px/.ico "standard" I got used to :P
11:25 rubenwardy Pushing soon: https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest.github.io/commit/cb6f429453b41bc4c6df3a393e0f5b7e6f54f51a
11:26 Calinou    thanks
11:28 rubenwardy okay, I'm done :P
11:54 celeron55  http://doku.minetest.net/ now goes to the previous site
11:55 celeron55  < rubenwardy> also, celeron55, please use minetest.net not www.minetest.net
11:55 celeron55  using minetest.net is a very bad idea
11:55 celeron55  you can't for example use cnames
11:55 Calinou    let's rename forum.minetest.net to bbs.minetest.net
11:55 Calinou    :)
11:56 rubenwardy are you sure, celeron55?
11:56 nrzkt      rubenwardy yes.
11:56 rubenwardy I have rubenwardy.com at github.io, and vps.rubenwardy.com at my vps
11:56 nrzkt      CNAME are not allowed on @ records.
11:56 nrzkt      it's the DNS RFC
11:57 rubenwardy How did I do it then?
11:57 celeron55  should we put calinou's site under, say, get.minetest.net and redirect www.minetest.net by default to it, and leave the forum redirects on www.minetest.net/forum working?
11:57 celeron55  i mean, there are options here
11:57 nrzkt      yes, but www.minetest.net should use a reverse proxy mode
11:58 celeron55  reverse proxy from my vps to github sites? sounds weird and it would also add latency
11:58 nrzkt      www.minetest.net location / { proxy_pass http://minetest.github.io; }; location /forum { FORUM };
11:58 celeron55  it would work though
11:58 nrzkt      reverse proxiing is low latency and the only option if you use directories
11:59 rubenwardy Ah, I use A Hosts
11:59 rubenwardy Why do you need CNAMEs?
12:00 nrzkt      because minetest.github.io IP can change it's not you the provider, then stop use bad practices :)
12:00 rubenwardy github.io says to use A names
12:01 celeron55  ping from everything.8dromda.net to minetest.github.io is min/avg/max/std-dev = 5.070/40.187/375.863/90.175 ms; that's not very low latency i think
12:01 celeron55  everything.8dromeda.net*
12:01 rubenwardy well, it says you can
12:02 nrzkt      is this a static website or a huge high financial trading low latency site ?
12:02 celeron55  i guess i'll do a reverse proxy then
12:02 rubenwardy https://help.github.com/articles/tips-for-configuring-an-a-record-with-your-dns-provider/
12:04 rubenwardy www. makes me cringe :(
12:06 celeron55  almost all websites use www; there are reasons for it
12:08 rubenwardy all the biggest ones don't
12:10 celeron55  yeah like google.com, reddit.com, facebook.com, mozilla.com
12:10 celeron55  and all the other ones that will redirect to www while you aren't noticing
12:10 rubenwardy http://no-www.org/
12:11 celeron55  not using the www subdomain only makes sense if the only thing you are hosting at a domain is a website
12:11 celeron55  but minetest.net has a whole lot of all kinds of stuff under it
12:12 rubenwardy the http:// bit says it's a website, you don't need the www.
12:13 celeron55  what if i don't update the A record when github changes their IP
12:14 celeron55  whatever, this doesn't matter; i'm not going to change it
12:15 rubenwardy no, it doesn't matter that much
12:15 celeron55  if someone is going to get mad because of "www.", feel free to
12:29 nrzkt      rubenwardy: http(s):// is a URI. www.xxx.com is a domain name. www. permit to know that there is a website under this name, every DNS name is not a website.
12:49 kahrl_     can the menu at the top be made to work without javascript?
13:01 rubenwardy seriously, it doesn't?
13:02 rubenwardy you don't need JS, just CSS :(
13:02 rubenwardy as in, you shouldn't need JS to make a navbar
13:02 rubenwardy Calinou ^
13:02 celeron55  well it's bootstrap; what do you expect
13:03 celeron55  ideally it should work i guess, though
14:00 Calinou    rubenwardy, Bootstrap's dropdowns were made like that
14:00 Calinou    moreover, dropdowns showing on click are clearly better usability
14:00 Calinou    no one wants dropdowns that appear on hover in 2015
14:01 Calinou    today, 1.1 % of users don't have JavaScript enabled, according to UK government
14:01 Calinou    that's very little, and I believe many of them are bots that pretend to be normal users
14:02 VanessaE   that's all?
14:02 VanessaE   I'd have thought it would be a bit more
14:03 rubenwardy Minetest will have more JS-phobes than other websites, due to it being an open source project
14:03 nrzkt      rubenwardy: source ?
14:04 nrzkt      who in this channel have JS disabled in every website ?
14:04 rubenwardy RMS, the JS trap
14:04 nrzkt      RMS is RMS.
14:04 nrzkt      Are you using Hurd ?
14:04 nrzkt      RMS uses Hurd.
14:05 Calinou    he does not
14:05 Calinou    he uses an X60 that runs Trisquel
14:05 Calinou    rubenwardy, all the JavaScript used on minetest.net is free btw
14:06 Calinou    I don't have any proprietary dependencies
14:06 Calinou    but it isn't marked for LibreJS
14:07 celeron55  i think we should make sure the site is at least somehow usable without javascript
14:07 celeron55  i mean, just add a <noscript>(a bunch of links</noscript> at the top if nothing else
14:07 celeron55  +)
14:07 rubenwardy yeah, that's the best solution
14:08 celeron55  completely ignoring non-js-browsers is kind of silly, as is making everything work without javascript
14:09 Calinou    some crawlers might not support JS, but I think Google's does support it now
14:10 celeron55  http://wwwtest.minetest.net/ <- this now contains a site that reverse proxies to minetest.github.io for everything else except /forum, which it redirects as before
14:10 celeron55  if this seems the way to go, i can enable it on www.minetest.net
14:11 celeron55  it doesn't seem to be noticeably slower for me at least
14:11 celeron55  but of course github might do some CDNing and i don't so in the US it might be slower
14:15 celeron55  (RTT to US from my server seems to be about 120ms; it's not terrible but it might be noticeable)
19:04 paramat    hi nore sfan5 please can i merge game#654 ?
19:04 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/654 -- Default: Allow papyrus growing on sand group by paramat
19:06 sfan5      paramat: look at my comment
19:06 sfan5      the last two ones
19:07 VanessaE   why not add a new node for them to grow on?  i.e. "sandy soil" or some such
19:15 T4im       farming has that already btw, farming:desert_sand_soil(_wet)
19:16 VanessaE   there you go :)
19:16 VanessaE   only problem there is it's hoed "soil".
19:17 paramat    ah okay sfan5 will check those
19:19 paramat    get_node(pos) is needed because it is checking the node below the abm 'node'
19:19 paramat    if 'group:sand' doesn't work i'll use specific names
19:20 paramat    the base nodes need to have the 'sand' texture for the blend, we know it's wet because of it's placement at water level
19:21 VanessaE   so like I said, make a new node - default:sandy_soil_wet or something, that looks like a cross between dirt (without grass) and sand
19:25 paramat    well i prefer the normal sand textures for seamless blend (see screenshot), and it would be nice to be able to plant papyrus on beaches without preparation. also simplicity
19:26 paramat    the lilypads PR looks nice
19:26 VanessaE   did you see my comment about the node name there?
19:27 paramat    no, where?
19:28 VanessaE   it was part of a discussion earlier in here.
19:28 paramat    oh okay will read logs
19:28 VanessaE   short version:  call it flowers:waterlily
19:28 VanessaE   and perhaps add some of the other features from plantlife/flowers_plus
19:28 VanessaE   as long as you're adding that node.
19:28 paramat    ah good idea
19:30 paramat    game#655 firelike drawtype is over engineered, it often ends up a box with a cross, i think the old plantlike drawtype looked better
19:30 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/655 -- Simplification of fire drawtype
19:37 kilbith    i inquired about the name "waterlily", it's actually the flower
19:37 kilbith    lilypad refers to the vegetal pad
19:37 kilbith    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_lily
19:39 paramat    flowers:waterlily is the best to use, refering to the whole
19:40 kilbith    the whole is the lilypad
19:40 kilbith    waterlily is only the flower
19:41 paramat    ah
19:41 VanessaE   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nymphaeaceae
19:41 VanessaE   picture caption is a lilypad + flower, "Giant Water Lily sprouting a flower"
19:42 VanessaE   the "pad" is just leaves from the lily.
19:42 paramat    correct
19:42 VanessaE   so "waterlily" is the correct name for this object.
19:43 kilbith    i only see flowers on google images
19:43 kilbith    both naming are correct then
19:43 paramat    yeah waterlilly is best, plus the use in mt history
19:44 kilbith    in some mod history
19:44 VanessaE   https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=518
19:44 VanessaE   posted sun Dec 04, 2011.
19:44 kilbith    also what was the features you were referring to, VanessaE ?
19:44 VanessaE   wow, look at those old tree textures :D
19:47 kilbith    .. so ?
19:48 paramat    wow lilies were removed from flowers
19:48 paramat    nice bright grass
19:49 kilbith    alright, i'm ignored
19:49 VanessaE   nope, you're not ignored.
19:51 kilbith    so what are the features you want for those waterlilies ?
19:51 VanessaE   doesn't matter now.
19:52 kilbith    O.o
20:20 paramat    nore sfan5 can i merge game#654 later once i fix those issues? with it growing on sand and desert sand
20:20 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/654 -- Default: Allow papyrus growing on sand group by paramat
20:34 sofar      I'm seeing this while building HEAD:
20:34 sofar      git/minetest/src/voxel.cpp:581:1: warning: 'virtual const c8* irr::scene::IBoneSceneNode::getBoneName() const' is deprecated [-Wdeprecated-declarations]
20:34 sofar      my irrlicht is up to date, do I need an unstable irrlicht?
20:35 kilbith    arch linux, right ?
20:35 sofar      yah
20:35 kilbith    forget that then
20:35 sofar      oh, 1.8.2 is released today
20:35 kilbith    for explanations, sfan5 may be your man
20:36 sofar      I'm seeing game lockups/hangs, so I thought I'd try rebuilding
20:38 kilbith    i see those lockups/hangs as well
20:38 kilbith    thought it was my drivers but apparently correlate by several
20:40 paramat    what all those little freezes?
20:41 kilbith    on this french video, the guy complains about this as well : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__vEGD2ghwA
20:41 kilbith    he's on 0.4.13
20:42 kilbith    those lockups can be up to ~0.5s
20:45 sofar      mine are like 10s
20:51 sfan5      sofar: you can ignore those warnings, no idea about the lockups
20:52 sfan5      i use arch too and i dont get them
20:52 sfan5      I'm using clang for compiling though
20:53 VanessaE   "lockups" if you want to call them that, are typically little under 1 second (everything stops and view distance drops to the minimum, briefly)
20:53 sfan5      paramat: whether it is ok or not it kinda depends on how you fix the issues
20:53 VanessaE   for me that is.
20:53 sfan5      s/it //
20:54 paramat    okay
20:55 VanessaE   btw, is it intended behavior that the minimap should retain blocks that have otherwise been expired?
20:56 paramat    sfan5 i will specify 'sand' and 'desert sand' instead of group:sand. also, 'get node pos' is needed because we are checking the node below the ABM node
20:57 paramat    'pos.y = pos.y - 1'
20:59 paramat    erm minimap has issues apparently
21:00 paramat    RBA intends to rewrite it apparently
21:00 VanessaE   RBA isn't coding for MT anymore though.
21:00 paramat    we might be able to port the improved version over
21:01 paramat    or hmmmmm might fix it
21:01 VanessaE   that's his intent, yeah
21:01 paramat    shaders too are a bit of a mess, unfinished, unfixed
21:14 VanessaE   paramat: did you give any further thought to adding other models/shapes to mt_game ?
21:15 VanessaE   (i.e. those slopes)
21:17 paramat    naw, i'm sortof neutral about it so i'll leave that up to whatever dev is enthusiastic
21:17 VanessaE   ok.