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Will decoration API support L-Systems? (or has the l-system concept been abandoned?) |
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Zeg9: it will support (iirc) |
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Topic for #minetest-dev is now Minetest core development and maintenance. Chit-chat goes to #minetest. Consider this instead of /msg celeron55. http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/ http://dev.minetest.net/ |
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sapier |
VanessaE what do you think about PilzAdams comments to the background/overlay mechanism is he right? |
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VanessaE |
sapier: which part, I've been afk all days |
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VanessaE |
-s |
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VanessaE |
(too tired to scroll back and dig through the log) |
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sapier |
yesterdays log around 20:30 |
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| 20:03 |
VanessaE |
ok |
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VanessaE |
ok |
| 20:05 |
VanessaE |
a definition is needed. does "background" refer to the old brown menubg.png image, or does it refer to one of the new overlay type of images? |
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NakedFury |
the way you say it, it should be the menu background and the other be called overlay |
| 20:07 |
sapier |
there's background, overlay header and footer |
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sapier |
clouds and nothing at all |
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PilzAdam |
VanessaE, background = big image and no clouds drawn; overlay = big images and clouds drawn behind it |
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PilzAdam |
-s |
| 20:07 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: ok, I'd forgotten |
| 20:08 |
VanessaE |
imho, if clouds are enabled and no background image exists, then show the clouds. On top of whatever is shown, place the overlay, then the header/footer |
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sapier |
so overlay may be drawn on top of background? |
| 20:09 |
VanessaE |
if clouds are disabled and no background exists, then yeah show a solid color (sky blue makes sense) |
| 20:11 |
sapier |
ok and what about the footer? |
| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
header/footer should be displayed any time the overlay is. |
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sapier |
fallback to default in singleplayer or not? |
| 20:12 |
VanessaE |
fallback only if there's nothing more appropriate to draw, sure |
| 20:12 |
sapier |
pilzadam said no for singleplayer tab |
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PilzAdam |
if the game has no header then there is a reason for it, so dont use any random default one |
| 20:13 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: I think he means the default one that looks sorta like marbled stone |
| 20:13 |
sapier |
no I'm talking about header/footer |
| 20:13 |
VanessaE |
oh well for singleplayer yeah, duh |
| 20:13 |
VanessaE |
my mind is kinda elsewhere |
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sapier |
https://gist.github.com/sapier/5959230 |
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sapier |
so this should be the way to go correct? |
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VanessaE |
*reads* |
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sapier |
wait I forgot background false |
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VanessaE |
--sp + all other tabs ; disable clouds |
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VanessaE |
this means what? |
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sapier |
I neede a way to show the else is done :-) |
| 20:16 |
VanessaE |
ok |
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VanessaE |
your indentation sucks ;) |
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sapier |
yeah I could move it to front to show it's not else ... |
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PilzAdam |
yep |
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sapier |
ok better this way? |
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sapier |
not exactly it isn't consistent right now |
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VanessaE |
14: try texturepack default overlay ; 15: try builtin default overlay ; 17: try texturepack default background ; 18: try builtin default background |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
(you should clearly differentiate between texturepack-supplied imagery and that which is included with the engine) |
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sapier |
it is testurepack is only where "texturepack" is in name |
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sapier |
-s+x |
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VanessaE |
I know but clarity is important |
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sapier |
ok added legend to top |
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sapier |
is it clear enough to decide if decision tree is correct? |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
yeah I think so |
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PilzAdam |
https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/5970006 |
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VanessaE |
heh |
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sapier |
doesn't help very much ;-) |
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VanessaE |
what's a backgrund? ;) |
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VanessaE |
(19) |
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VanessaE |
sapier: to be fair, he did express it in a form of code that might actually run ;) |
| 20:25 |
sapier |
not exactly as it needs to be done completely different |
| 20:26 |
VanessaE |
anyway I could probably go with that |
| 20:26 |
VanessaE |
but-- |
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sapier |
yes it's lua syntax not pseudocode |
| 20:28 |
sapier |
but as far as I can see it's identical |
| 20:30 |
PilzAdam |
https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/5970006 now 80% more confusing |
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sapier |
and flooding log ;-P |
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hmmmm |
christ, why is this so complex |
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hmmmm |
you're just loading some pictures and a background |
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hmmmm |
i guess it's just one of those things, like mapgen param loading |
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VanessaE |
PilzAdam: you know, that almost looks like you could just plug that right in now |
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sapier |
if you do it that way pilzadam you'll gona have 16 log entrys anytime world background needs to be updated |
| 20:32 |
VanessaE |
who cares if the log gets spammed? put that on verbosestream and no one will see it anyway :) |
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hmmmm |
precedence: mods -> saved settings -> game config file -> global config file -> default settings -> constructor settings |
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PilzAdam |
VanessaE, that is valid Lua code, although "texture()" is not defined |
| 20:32 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: yep, I can see it's valid, I meant as far as the logic is concerned and how it relates to what sapier already implemented. |
| 20:32 |
PilzAdam |
sapier, move the texture() calls into the "if" body and you halfed it |
| 20:33 |
PilzAdam |
*halved |
| 20:33 |
sapier |
but won't get any more next to working code |
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PilzAdam |
also, default_* and texturepack_* can be cached |
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sapier |
no they can't caching isn't active at that state |
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sapier |
and NO I won't add a texture cache for 5 textures |
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sapier |
:-) |
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PilzAdam |
no "cached" means you dont need to recheck them each time you switch a tab |
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PilzAdam |
+, |
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sapier |
I already do that |
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PilzAdam |
then how do you get 16 messages in the console? |
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PilzAdam |
*would you get |
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sapier |
if none of the files is present you get 16/8 messages if doing the if optimization |
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sapier |
on swtichting singleplayer<->other or when switching game |
| 20:37 |
sapier |
anytime you switch of course |
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PilzAdam |
well, you you only need to check game_overlay if texturepack_game_overlay is nil |
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PilzAdam |
-you |
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sapier |
exactly that's the second optimization needed |
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PilzAdam |
and isnt there a way to check it without writing to the console? |
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sapier |
but that's implementation detail |
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sapier |
I guess the logics are fixed now |
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sapier |
no there isn't at least if you want to fallback on invalid files too |
| 20:39 |
sapier |
but won't help that much as setting a file successfull will create a message on console too |
| 20:39 |
sapier |
ok I'm gonna implement the logics as defined |
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sapier |
pilzadam you had some lua sorting code some days ago do you still have it? |
| 20:40 |
PilzAdam |
is there no way to tell Irrlicht to print to infostream/verbosestream? |
| 20:41 |
PilzAdam |
sapier, I have deleted the branch since it was useless... |
| 20:41 |
sapier |
for sure but it's not done that early ... I hope it's a minor issue once the bugs are fixed |
| 20:42 |
PilzAdam |
https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commit/3b9a511f94264c1205d7c031b5ea271dbc186d64 |
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sapier |
you're too fast PilzAdam ;-) I just moved worldlisthandling to a separate file to reduce complexity in mainmenu ... now we could do sorting in lua |
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sapier |
great :-) |
| 20:42 |
PilzAdam |
^ github still has the commit :-) |
| 20:42 |
PilzAdam |
(searched in IRC logs) |
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sapier |
sideeffect of moving to separate file is that worlds selected in singleplayer tab now are in sync to server tab (where possible) |
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celeron55 |
>On top of whatever is shown, place the overlay |
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celeron55 |
no. |
| 23:03 |
celeron55 |
games shouldn't be forced to try to mimick the cloud overlay in the non-cloud background |
| 23:03 |
celeron55 |
that's nonsense |
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VanessaE |
ehm. "whatever's shown" could also be a blank background image... |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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* ShadowNinja |
points to the rollback fix on the TODO list while he waits annother ten minutes for /rollback to finish and prepares to restart his server to clear the RAM. |
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