Time  Nick          Message
08:33 Zeg9          Will decoration API support L-Systems? (or has the l-system concept been abandoned?)
10:44 Exio          Zeg9: it will support (iirc)
18:11 sapier        VanessaE what do you think about PilzAdams comments to the background/overlay mechanism is he right?
20:01 VanessaE      sapier: which part, I've been afk all days
20:01 VanessaE      -s
20:02 VanessaE      (too tired to scroll back and dig through the log)
20:02 sapier        yesterdays log around 20:30
20:03 VanessaE      ok
20:05 VanessaE      ok
20:05 VanessaE      a definition is needed.  does "background" refer to the old brown menubg.png image, or does it refer to one of the new overlay type of images?
20:06 NakedFury     the way you say it, it should be the menu background and the other be called overlay
20:07 sapier        there's background, overlay header and footer
20:07 sapier        clouds and nothing at all
20:07 PilzAdam      VanessaE, background = big image and no clouds drawn; overlay = big images and clouds drawn behind it
20:07 PilzAdam      -s
20:07 VanessaE      PilzAdam: ok, I'd forgotten
20:08 VanessaE      imho, if clouds are enabled and no background image exists, then show the clouds.  On top of whatever is shown, place the overlay, then the header/footer
20:08 sapier        so overlay may be drawn on top of background?
20:09 VanessaE      if clouds are disabled and no background exists, then yeah show a solid color (sky blue makes sense)
20:11 sapier        ok and what about the footer?
20:11 VanessaE      header/footer should be displayed any time the overlay is.
20:11 sapier        fallback to default in singleplayer or not?
20:12 VanessaE      fallback only if there's nothing more appropriate to draw, sure
20:12 sapier        pilzadam said no for singleplayer tab
20:13 PilzAdam      if the game has no header then there is a reason for it, so dont use any random default one
20:13 VanessaE      PilzAdam: I think he means the default one that looks sorta like marbled stone
20:13 sapier        no I'm talking about header/footer
20:13 VanessaE      oh well for singleplayer yeah, duh
20:13 VanessaE      my mind is kinda elsewhere
20:14 sapier        https://gist.github.com/sapier/5959230
20:14 sapier        so this should be the way to go correct?
20:14 VanessaE      *reads*
20:15 sapier        wait I forgot background false
20:15 VanessaE      --sp + all other tabs ; disable clouds
20:15 VanessaE      this means what?
20:16 sapier        I neede a way to show the else is done :-)
20:16 VanessaE      ok
20:16 VanessaE      your indentation sucks ;)
20:17 sapier        yeah I could move it to front to show it's not else ...
20:17 PilzAdam      yep
20:18 sapier        ok better this way?
20:19 sapier        not exactly it isn't consistent right now
20:20 VanessaE      14:  try texturepack default overlay ; 15:  try builtin default overlay ; 17:  try texturepack default background ; 18: try builtin default background
20:20 VanessaE      (you should clearly differentiate between texturepack-supplied imagery and that which is included with the engine)
20:21 sapier        it is testurepack is only where "texturepack" is in name
20:21 sapier        -s+x
20:22 VanessaE      I know but clarity is important
20:23 sapier        ok added legend to top
20:23 sapier        is it clear enough to decide if decision tree is correct?
20:24 VanessaE      yeah I think so
20:24 PilzAdam      https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/5970006
20:24 VanessaE      heh
20:24 sapier        doesn't help very much ;-)
20:24 VanessaE      what's a backgrund? ;)
20:24 VanessaE      (19)
20:25 VanessaE      sapier: to be fair, he did express it in a form of code that might actually run ;)
20:25 sapier        not exactly as it needs to be done completely different
20:26 VanessaE      anyway I could probably go with that
20:26 VanessaE      but--
20:26 sapier        yes it's lua syntax not pseudocode
20:28 sapier        but as far as I can see it's identical
20:30 PilzAdam      https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/5970006 now 80% more confusing
20:30 sapier        and flooding log ;-P
20:30 hmmmm         christ, why is this so complex
20:31 hmmmm         you're just loading some pictures and a background
20:31 hmmmm         i guess it's just one of those things, like mapgen param loading
20:31 VanessaE      PilzAdam: you know, that almost looks like you could just plug that right in now
20:31 sapier        if you do it that way pilzadam you'll gona have 16 log entrys anytime world background needs to be updated
20:32 VanessaE      who cares if the log gets spammed?  put that on verbosestream and no one will see it anyway :)
20:32 hmmmm         precedence: mods -> saved settings -> game config file -> global config file -> default settings -> constructor settings
20:32 PilzAdam      VanessaE, that is valid Lua code, although "texture()" is not defined
20:32 VanessaE      PilzAdam: yep, I can see it's valid, I meant as far as the logic is concerned and how it relates to what sapier already implemented.
20:32 PilzAdam      sapier, move the texture() calls into the "if" body and you halfed it
20:33 PilzAdam      *halved
20:33 sapier        but won't get any more next to working code
20:33 PilzAdam      also, default_* and texturepack_* can be cached
20:34 sapier        no they can't caching isn't active at that state
20:35 sapier        and NO I won't add a texture cache for 5 textures
20:35 sapier        :-)
20:35 PilzAdam      no "cached" means you dont need to recheck them each time you switch a tab
20:35 PilzAdam      +,
20:35 sapier        I already do that
20:36 PilzAdam      then how do you get 16 messages in the console?
20:36 PilzAdam      *would you get
20:36 sapier        if none of the files is present you get 16/8 messages if doing the if optimization
20:37 sapier        on swtichting singleplayer<->other or when switching game
20:37 sapier        anytime you switch of course
20:37 PilzAdam      well, you you only need to check game_overlay if texturepack_game_overlay is nil
20:37 PilzAdam      -you
20:38 sapier        exactly that's the second optimization needed
20:38 PilzAdam      and isnt there a way to check it without writing to the console?
20:38 sapier        but that's implementation detail
20:38 sapier        I guess the logics are fixed now
20:38 sapier        no there isn't at least if you want to fallback on invalid files too
20:39 sapier        but won't help that much as setting a file successfull will create a message on console too
20:39 sapier        ok I'm gonna implement the logics as defined
20:40 sapier        pilzadam you had some lua sorting code some days ago do you still have it?
20:40 PilzAdam      is there no way to tell Irrlicht to print to infostream/verbosestream?
20:41 PilzAdam      sapier, I have deleted the branch since it was useless...
20:41 sapier        for sure but it's not done that early ... I hope it's a minor issue once the bugs are fixed
20:42 PilzAdam      https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commit/3b9a511f94264c1205d7c031b5ea271dbc186d64
20:42 sapier        you're too fast PilzAdam ;-) I just moved worldlisthandling to a separate file to reduce complexity in mainmenu ... now we could do sorting in lua
20:42 sapier        great :-)
20:42 PilzAdam      ^ github still has the commit :-)
20:42 PilzAdam      (searched in IRC logs)
20:43 sapier        sideeffect of moving to separate file is that worlds selected in singleplayer tab now are in sync to server tab (where possible)
23:03 celeron55     >On top of whatever is shown, place the overlay
23:03 celeron55     no.
23:03 celeron55     games shouldn't be forced to try to mimick the cloud overlay in the non-cloud background
23:03 celeron55     that's nonsense
23:05 VanessaE      ehm.  "whatever's shown" could also be a blank background image...
23:17 VanessaE      bbl
23:23 * ShadowNinja points to the rollback fix on the TODO list while he waits annother ten minutes for /rollback to finish and prepares to restart his server to clear the RAM.