| Time |
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| 00:19 |
RealBadAngel |
http://realbadangel.pl/minetest.zip |
| 00:19 |
RealBadAngel |
if somebody wanna see what i have done to main menu |
| 00:20 |
RealBadAngel |
zipped sources, because for some odd reason i cannot add new files nor folders to minetest git |
| 00:31 |
RealBadAngel |
hmmmm, youre here? |
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| 03:16 |
hmmmm |
yeah |
| 03:17 |
Exio |
well, he already left :P |
| 03:18 |
hmmmm |
hey RBA, i really know what you mean by the caves making golpher holes all throughout the terrain... i just tried it out in my mapgen, and i really feel like it adds nothing but uglyness: http://ompldr.org/vaTJmYg |
| 03:19 |
hmmmm |
no more magestic flowing terrain |
| 03:19 |
hmmmm |
in order to do what i want, i definitely need to modify this from v6's caves |
| 03:20 |
hmmmm |
http://ompldr.org/vaTJmYw |
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| 03:40 |
blue42u |
Excuse me, hmmm. |
| 03:40 |
blue42u |
But could you look at my fork again? |
| 03:40 |
blue42u |
I THINK I got everything. |
| 03:45 |
Exio |
wow |
| 03:46 |
Exio |
nice blue42u! |
| 03:46 |
blue42u |
Thanks. |
| 03:46 |
blue42u |
For what? |
| 03:46 |
blue42u |
I mean, what's so nice? |
| 03:47 |
Exio |
just a random-look at the code and it seems nice :P |
| 03:47 |
blue42u |
Ah. Thanks. :) |
| 03:49 |
blue42u |
You here, hmmm? |
| 03:59 |
blue42u |
gtg. goodnight all! |
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Exio |
aw |
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celeron55 |
well this is bugged at least https://github.com/blue42u/metology/commit/adee61e0a2b8f98bcc383239e0ccb3568c9958d3#L5R408 |
| 06:11 |
celeron55 |
hmmmm: i would think it would be worth mentioning in the coding style guidelines that including large headers in headers should be avoided |
| 06:11 |
celeron55 |
it's the number 1 thing in C++ that explodes compile times to be completely unbearable |
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| 10:05 |
PilzAdam |
why is there "ping" listed: http://www.minetest.net/servers |
| 10:19 |
Calinou |
ping is irrelevant, yes |
| 10:19 |
Calinou |
it's not to the client :P |
| 10:19 |
Calinou |
"uptime" isn't really useful too, and seems to be random |
| 10:19 |
Calinou |
I'd like to see amount of mods installed on server though, would be nice |
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| 12:21 |
blue42u |
Hmmm, can you look at my fork again? |
| 12:23 |
Exio |
hmmmm is not online atm |
| 12:23 |
Exio |
but c55 said something |
| 12:23 |
blue42u |
Oh. I forgot to look. :) |
| 12:24 |
Jordach |
i've just noticed, the minetest.ru server has 99 ping, but the others are slow and clunky |
| 12:25 |
Jordach |
it looks as if the minetest.ru server is on the minetest.net server |
| 12:26 |
blue42u |
celeron55: Whats bugged about it? |
| 12:29 |
blue42u |
I just complied it and it works as it should. |
| 12:35 |
celeron55 |
try to set different keys |
| 12:36 |
celeron55 |
Jordach: the list on minetest.net is generated by roughly the same server as the minetest.ru game server is |
| 12:36 |
Jordach |
celeron55, i guessed that |
| 12:36 |
celeron55 |
www.minetest.net itself isn't one though |
| 12:37 |
celeron55 |
it just takes the list from elsewhere |
| 12:37 |
Jordach |
but the ping should really be listed |
| 12:38 |
blue42u |
oooh... |
| 12:41 |
blue42u |
That should fix it. :) |
| 12:46 |
blue42u |
Is there anything missing from my lua hud work that should be added? |
| 12:58 |
RealBadAngel |
hi all |
| 12:58 |
blue42u |
hi. |
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| 13:00 |
RealBadAngel |
http://realbadangel.pl/minetest.zip |
| 13:01 |
RealBadAngel |
those are minetest sources with some heavy additions to main menu |
| 13:01 |
RealBadAngel |
feedback needed :) |
| 13:01 |
PilzAdam |
branch needed |
| 13:01 |
RealBadAngel |
so, compile n try |
| 13:01 |
RealBadAngel |
cant |
| 13:02 |
RealBadAngel |
for some odd reason i cannot add new folders to minetest git |
| 13:02 |
RealBadAngel |
also new files |
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| 13:02 |
RealBadAngel |
i can only edit existing ones |
| 13:02 |
PilzAdam |
then pass me the diff + new media files |
| 13:02 |
Exio |
^ better than the whole sources |
| 13:02 |
RealBadAngel |
grab the zip, its whole tree |
| 13:03 |
Exio |
why? |
| 13:03 |
PilzAdam |
why should I download the whole minetest sources if only the menu was updated? |
| 13:03 |
Exio |
i can't download it here, and i want to test the stuff, so? |
| 13:03 |
RealBadAngel |
jesus christ superstar, youre energy saver fan? |
| 13:03 |
RealBadAngel |
it will take circa 15s |
| 13:04 |
RealBadAngel |
i repeat i cannot add to minetest git |
| 13:04 |
Exio |
RealBadAngel: ~32kbps network here |
| 13:04 |
Exio |
i need MINUTES for downloading a fucking mb |
| 13:04 |
RealBadAngel |
so i packed all the sources together with new stuff |
| 13:04 |
Exio |
i will not download the whole sources just for the lulz |
| 13:04 |
RealBadAngel |
those are not lulz |
| 13:05 |
RealBadAngel |
this is real game main menu |
| 13:05 |
PilzAdam |
you really need to learn how to use git |
| 13:05 |
RealBadAngel |
no |
| 13:05 |
Exio |
yes |
| 13:05 |
RealBadAngel |
i can make new folders in any of my repos |
| 13:05 |
RealBadAngel |
but not in minetest |
| 13:05 |
RealBadAngel |
i tested it |
| 13:06 |
Exio |
the error is...? |
| 13:06 |
RealBadAngel |
new content is marked "ignored" |
| 13:06 |
blue42u_ |
RealBadAngel: git add <new files>... |
| 13:06 |
RealBadAngel |
git add . doesnt work at all |
| 13:06 |
PilzAdam |
blue42u_, he uses GUI |
| 13:07 |
RealBadAngel |
vanessae tried to help |
| 13:07 |
blue42u_ |
Oh. |
| 13:07 |
Exio |
eta 1h 58m |
| 13:07 |
RealBadAngel |
even with cli its impossible to add new files |
| 13:07 |
Exio |
RealBadAngel: for downloading that file |
| 13:07 |
Jordach |
RealBadAngel, git add * is your friend |
| 13:08 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, you can only add files, not empty directories |
| 13:08 |
RealBadAngel |
* ? vanessae suggested . |
| 13:08 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, . is better than * |
| 13:08 |
RealBadAngel |
lemme try * |
| 13:08 |
PilzAdam |
because with * you get errors because of .gitignore'd files |
| 13:08 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, it allows me to add empty dirs |
| 13:09 |
RealBadAngel |
oh yeah |
| 13:09 |
RealBadAngel |
git add * -f |
| 13:10 |
RealBadAngel |
now i got it added |
| 13:10 |
RealBadAngel |
thx folks |
| 13:10 |
PilzAdam |
you are abusing git if you add empty directories |
| 13:10 |
blue42u_ |
RBL: I see no difference. |
| 13:11 |
RealBadAngel |
who said empty? |
| 13:11 |
blue42u_ |
sorry, RBA. |
| 13:11 |
RealBadAngel |
maybe you, i didnt |
| 13:11 |
RealBadAngel |
i said NEW |
| 13:12 |
blue42u_ |
RBA: What did you change? |
| 13:13 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, computer programs are only abused when you delete their existence |
| 13:13 |
Jordach |
;) |
| 13:13 |
RealBadAngel |
https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest |
| 13:13 |
RealBadAngel |
oke doke, changes are in my fork |
| 13:13 |
RealBadAngel |
complete this time |
| 13:15 |
blue42u_ |
You may want to update your fork |
| 13:15 |
RealBadAngel |
i made game's main menu look and (suprise here) as... judge yourself |
| 13:15 |
RealBadAngel |
i do love the result |
| 13:16 |
RealBadAngel |
main menu looks like real production intro now |
| 13:16 |
PilzAdam |
you should learn how to use branches |
| 13:17 |
RealBadAngel |
with time, PA |
| 13:17 |
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| 13:17 |
RealBadAngel |
im low level coder, im not used to such nowadays stuff |
| 13:17 |
RealBadAngel |
hi hmmmm |
| 13:17 |
RealBadAngel |
https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest |
| 13:17 |
hmmmm |
yo.. |
| 13:18 |
Exio |
damn, 1.5mb |
| 13:18 |
RealBadAngel |
compile and say what do you think |
| 13:18 |
hmmmm |
the instant i joined the channel i get a highlight |
| 13:18 |
hmmmm |
i would, but i can't, i've got school right now |
| 13:18 |
hmmmm |
later |
| 13:18 |
Exio |
hmmmm: what? :P |
| 13:18 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, oh god... the music.... |
| 13:18 |
RealBadAngel |
ok |
| 13:18 |
* PilzAdam |
doesnt want to playe a FPS |
| 13:18 |
PilzAdam |
-e |
| 13:19 |
RealBadAngel |
about the main menu score we can make a poll |
| 13:19 |
hmmmm |
minecraft doesn't even have music in the main menu, FYI |
| 13:19 |
RealBadAngel |
i just used the music Skaven gave us |
| 13:19 |
PilzAdam |
also the header from the new homepage should be used |
| 13:19 |
RealBadAngel |
who cares bout mc? |
| 13:19 |
blue42u_ |
wow. |
| 13:19 |
PilzAdam |
and the trees are awful |
| 13:19 |
hmmmm |
hey blue42u |
| 13:20 |
hmmmm |
you messaged me last night |
| 13:20 |
blue42u_ |
Oh, yes. |
| 13:20 |
hmmmm |
i'll be sure to check out your fork but not right now |
| 13:20 |
hmmmm |
gotta go |
| 13:20 |
hmmmm |
be back at like 5 |
| 13:20 |
blue42u_ |
UTC? |
| 13:20 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, trees awful? why you think so? |
| 13:20 |
PilzAdam |
>hmmmm< CTCP TIME |
| 13:20 |
PilzAdam |
-hmmmm- TIME Fri Apr 12 09:20:44 |
| 13:21 |
PilzAdam |
^ blue42u_ |
| 13:21 |
blue42u_ |
thx. |
| 13:21 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, these "fruits" and the leave textures |
| 13:21 |
PilzAdam |
also remove the old ones |
| 13:21 |
PilzAdam |
and the shapes arent that good |
| 13:22 |
blue42u_ |
Then change the textures in the game. :P |
| 13:22 |
Exio |
that song is nice... |
| 13:22 |
Exio |
when you want to kill some people in a FPS |
| 13:24 |
blue42u_ |
RBA: Could you (maybe) make the image a panorama and turn around? |
| 13:24 |
PilzAdam |
http://youtu.be/S4qrYpPfMdw |
| 13:24 |
PilzAdam |
^ this is epic |
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| 13:26 |
RealBadAngel |
blue42u, image is static |
| 13:26 |
RealBadAngel |
sky is transparent and then clouds are added |
| 13:26 |
blue42u |
That doesn't mean it HAS to be. |
| 13:26 |
RealBadAngel |
sure |
| 13:26 |
RealBadAngel |
but for now its best we can have |
| 13:26 |
RealBadAngel |
imho at least |
| 13:27 |
Exio |
i'd add a small map in the main menu! |
| 13:27 |
RealBadAngel |
for the future i would like to have here predefined small example worlds |
| 13:27 |
RealBadAngel |
with fly by camera |
| 13:28 |
RealBadAngel |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFhpgBp4JcM |
| 13:28 |
RealBadAngel |
like in this mc vid |
| 13:29 |
RealBadAngel |
such main menu backgrounds are my ultimate goal |
| 13:29 |
PilzAdam |
its still a menu |
| 13:29 |
PilzAdam |
not a cinema |
| 13:29 |
RealBadAngel |
sure |
| 13:30 |
RealBadAngel |
but why cant it rock the house? |
| 13:31 |
RealBadAngel |
new user shall just stare and say "WOW" from the very begining |
| 13:32 |
blue42u |
Makes a good impression. :) |
| 13:32 |
Exio |
add reflection |
| 13:32 |
Exio |
with shaders, as they are enabled by default, and profit |
| 13:32 |
RealBadAngel |
also sample worlds can give new users ideas what can be achieved |
| 13:33 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, no, the users shouldnt be limited in their minds by showing them example worlds |
| 13:33 |
PilzAdam |
it blocks the creativity |
| 13:33 |
RealBadAngel |
camera flyin around marvelous big castle will let new user know what is possible |
| 13:33 |
RealBadAngel |
and where are the limits |
| 13:34 |
RealBadAngel |
youre completely wrong |
| 13:34 |
PilzAdam |
they would think: "Oh, this game is about building castles" |
| 13:34 |
RealBadAngel |
i exactly know what new users say |
| 13:34 |
Jordach |
just give them a black screen and tell them: this is your world |
| 13:34 |
RealBadAngel |
they say whats the point in running around with a pick? |
| 13:35 |
Exio |
lol Jordach |
| 13:35 |
RealBadAngel |
i heard exact question too many times |
| 13:35 |
RealBadAngel |
so, i told them what can be done |
| 13:35 |
Exio |
RealBadAngel: what is the point of the actual survival? |
| 13:35 |
RealBadAngel |
and how |
| 13:35 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, exactly that is wrong |
| 13:36 |
RealBadAngel |
forced them to try |
| 13:36 |
PilzAdam |
they have to have their own ideas |
| 13:36 |
RealBadAngel |
to feel the freedom |
| 13:36 |
PilzAdam |
everything else is boring |
| 13:36 |
RealBadAngel |
players nowadays dont know what creativity is |
| 13:36 |
RealBadAngel |
and freedom |
| 13:36 |
PilzAdam |
then they are wrong in Minetest |
| 13:36 |
PilzAdam |
go play COD |
| 13:37 |
RealBadAngel |
when given free world they dont know whats possible |
| 13:37 |
RealBadAngel |
its not a joke |
| 13:37 |
RealBadAngel |
its sad truth |
| 13:37 |
RealBadAngel |
one vid i recall says it all |
| 13:37 |
RealBadAngel |
lemme find it |
| 13:38 |
RealBadAngel |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU |
| 13:38 |
RealBadAngel |
watch it and re-think |
| 13:39 |
PilzAdam |
I know this video |
| 13:41 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, this just shows us that we _dont_ do what you suggest |
| 13:42 |
RealBadAngel |
this was offtopic |
| 13:42 |
RealBadAngel |
i just want NICE lookin main menu |
| 13:42 |
Exio |
i want a NICE looking game before |
| 13:43 |
RealBadAngel |
propably in the future with animated worlds |
| 13:43 |
RealBadAngel |
by now static picture, plus moving clouds and music imho does the job |
| 13:45 |
RealBadAngel |
also if you havent noticed what the patch is using |
| 13:45 |
PilzAdam |
but not this music |
| 13:46 |
RealBadAngel |
it shows that ambience like mod can be local and in common |
| 13:47 |
RealBadAngel |
so music tracks, sounds can be stored locally and not transferred by server |
| 13:47 |
RealBadAngel |
so game can come with default sounds |
| 13:47 |
PilzAdam |
this was already there |
| 13:48 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, so propose another track |
| 13:48 |
PilzAdam |
you patch just changes the name of the folder |
| 13:48 |
RealBadAngel |
yes |
| 13:48 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, read the logs; I already did |
| 13:48 |
RealBadAngel |
but why no one was using this? |
| 13:48 |
RealBadAngel |
can you link again? |
| 13:48 |
PilzAdam |
http://youtu.be/S4qrYpPfMdw |
| 13:49 |
PilzAdam |
or one of this: http://youtu.be/bIOiV4d1SVI |
| 13:49 |
RealBadAngel |
do you have rights to this tune? |
| 13:49 |
PilzAdam |
ofc not |
| 13:49 |
PilzAdam |
but just to show you wich style it should be |
| 13:50 |
RealBadAngel |
who let you decide what style is proper one? and one and only? |
| 13:50 |
blue42u |
A moving menu image is really not that hard... |
| 13:50 |
RealBadAngel |
there are different tastes out there, not only yours |
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PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, ehm... who has said that I have decided something? |
| 13:51 |
RealBadAngel |
"it should be" |
| 13:51 |
PilzAdam |
yes |
| 13:51 |
PilzAdam |
do I need to add an "IMO" to all my sentences? |
| 13:51 |
RealBadAngel |
you should :) |
| 13:52 |
RealBadAngel |
at least when we are talkin tastes ;) |
| 13:52 |
PilzAdam |
I guess it would be obvious that I am talking about what I think would be good IMO |
| 13:52 |
PilzAdam |
^ IMO |
| 13:52 |
RealBadAngel |
i proposed tune in style i like |
| 13:53 |
RealBadAngel |
moreover, the composer let us use it |
| 13:53 |
PilzAdam |
the Terasology soundtrack is CC I think |
| 13:53 |
RealBadAngel |
but definitely we wont copy their tracks |
| 13:54 |
RealBadAngel |
even if they would be wtf |
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BlockMen |
RealBadAngel, just add a screenshot of it to here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5289 |
| 13:56 |
RealBadAngel |
original ambience tracks were made mostly by one musician |
| 13:56 |
RealBadAngel |
im not quite sure about their licences |
| 13:56 |
RealBadAngel |
but those would be definitely in your style |
| 13:58 |
Exio |
terasology sound track is cool for a sandbox-like minecraft-insipired game |
| 13:59 |
Exio |
inspired* |
| 14:03 |
RealBadAngel |
we shall carry this cross forever? |
| 14:03 |
RealBadAngel |
that we are inspired by others? |
| 14:03 |
RealBadAngel |
mc already took our idea to drop texture atlas |
| 14:04 |
RealBadAngel |
dont stay in shadow, move forward :P |
| 14:07 |
RealBadAngel |
with some things like mesecons for example we are way above mc |
| 14:07 |
RealBadAngel |
i complained a few months ago that redpower2 mod for mc is better |
| 14:08 |
RealBadAngel |
but lately i can clearly see mesecons are getting even better than it |
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RealBadAngel |
hi lady-backwards-compability ;) |
| 14:10 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, btw new minetest logo is imho deformed |
| 14:10 |
BlockMen |
more features != better. sometimes simplicity makes something good (i dont mean expilcit mescons with that!) |
| 14:10 |
RealBadAngel |
lower part is too thick, and looks ugly |
| 14:10 |
Jordach |
i agree with BlockMen |
| 14:11 |
Jordach |
we have enough content as is for 0.4.x |
| 14:11 |
Jordach |
we should be just fixing bugs until 0.5.x |
| 14:11 |
Jordach |
then we can expand a little again during 0.5.x |
| 14:11 |
Exio |
i don't think we have enough content |
| 14:12 |
RealBadAngel |
me neither |
| 14:12 |
Jordach |
Exio, that's debatable between the community |
| 14:12 |
BlockMen |
and RealBadAngel, could you add something to your pos (at forum) for user who cant compile it? |
| 14:12 |
BlockMen |
*post |
| 14:12 |
Exio |
Jordach: survival player, for creative it is awesome |
| 14:12 |
Exio |
but for survival it just lacks the "survivalness" :P |
| 14:12 |
RealBadAngel |
BlockMen, what do you mean? make win build? |
| 14:13 |
Jordach |
Exio, minetest_game should have beds + simple_mobs imho |
| 14:13 |
BlockMen |
i have trouble with compiling under windows and i heared other have too |
| 14:13 |
Exio |
not simple_mods, but you get the point |
| 14:13 |
RealBadAngel |
sorry no windows here, im not using shit |
| 14:13 |
BlockMen |
so just a link to a screenshot would be fine too |
| 14:13 |
Jordach |
and neither am i, leave it upto PilzAdam, sfan5 or thexyz |
| 14:14 |
Jordach |
to compile |
| 14:14 |
sfan5 |
compile what? |
| 14:14 |
Jordach |
RealBadAngel's fork |
| 14:14 |
BlockMen |
or a link to compiled |
| 14:14 |
RealBadAngel |
sfan5, could you compile this: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest |
| 14:14 |
RealBadAngel |
? |
| 14:15 |
sfan5 |
sure |
| 14:15 |
RealBadAngel |
its almost up to date tree with main menu changes |
| 14:15 |
RealBadAngel |
music + background that fit the clouds |
| 14:15 |
BlockMen |
RBA, what makes that line " v3f(0,0,0), v3f(0, 0, 1));"? |
| 14:15 |
sfan5 |
run "git diff git://github.com/minetest/minetest/master" and post the output |
| 14:16 |
sfan5 |
RBA 11 |
| 14:16 |
sfan5 |
*^ |
| 14:16 |
RealBadAngel |
sets camera to look in certain direction |
| 14:16 |
RealBadAngel |
so clouds fit the screenshot |
| 14:16 |
BlockMen |
ic, thx |
| 14:17 |
RealBadAngel |
first vector is postition |
| 14:17 |
RealBadAngel |
2nd look dir |
| 14:18 |
RealBadAngel |
in fact it doesnt matter at which pos screenshot was taken |
| 14:18 |
RealBadAngel |
only thing that matters is look dir |
| 14:19 |
RealBadAngel |
so we can assume photographer pos is always 0,0,0 |
| 14:19 |
sfan5 |
<sfan5> run "git diff git://github.com/minetest/minetest/master" and post the output |
| 14:19 |
sfan5 |
^ RBA |
| 14:19 |
sfan5 |
wait.. |
| 14:20 |
RealBadAngel |
fatal: Invalid object name 'git'. |
| 14:21 |
RealBadAngel |
sfan5, http://realbadangel.pl/minetest.zip |
| 14:21 |
sfan5 |
no, no |
| 14:21 |
RealBadAngel |
theres whole tree |
| 14:22 |
sfan5 |
its easier for me to use a patch |
| 14:22 |
sfan5 |
.. |
| 14:22 |
sfan5 |
make sure you have the upstream remote defined to git://github.com/minetest/minetest |
| 14:23 |
RealBadAngel |
minetest is configured with gitignore propably so i cannot add NEW folders and files |
| 14:23 |
sfan5 |
then run "git diff upstream/master | sed -e 's/diff --git/diff -ru/' -e 's/a\//minetest\//' -e 's/b\//minetest\//'" and post the output |
| 14:23 |
RealBadAngel |
thats why i made zip with sources in the first place |
| 14:24 |
iqualfragile |
thats why i use hg |
| 14:24 |
RealBadAngel |
later i did: git add * -f |
| 14:24 |
sfan5 |
why hg? |
| 14:24 |
RealBadAngel |
and now my tree sees the changes |
| 14:24 |
Exio |
iqualfragile: layer 8 problems can't be fixed with software |
| 14:25 |
RealBadAngel |
im also using hg |
| 14:25 |
RealBadAngel |
adding new content works flawlessly in all of my repos, but not in minetest fork |
| 14:25 |
iqualfragile |
Exio: well… they can be prevented |
| 14:26 |
* sfan5 |
is just going to produce a patch himself |
| 14:26 |
RealBadAngel |
i saw before mark on my newly added content "ingored" |
| 14:26 |
celeron55 |
i tried removing uptime and ping from http://www.minetest.net/servers |
| 14:27 |
celeron55 |
looks quite nice now and all the important things are still there |
| 14:27 |
RealBadAngel |
celeron55, how it is with adding new files and folders to mt tree? |
| 14:27 |
celeron55 |
? |
| 14:28 |
celeron55 |
i don't see what kind of a problem is in that |
| 14:28 |
RealBadAngel |
i wasnt able to add any new content to repo |
| 14:28 |
RealBadAngel |
all was ignored |
| 14:28 |
celeron55 |
well, maybe you should learn git |
| 14:28 |
RealBadAngel |
git add * -f |
| 14:28 |
RealBadAngel |
did the trick |
| 14:29 |
celeron55 |
yeah sure, that'll add many build files and whatever |
| 14:29 |
celeron55 |
nobody will want to look at the end result of that 8) |
| 14:29 |
RealBadAngel |
git add . doesnt work |
| 14:30 |
BlockMen |
celeron55, have you fixed the old dev wiki stuff? |
| 14:30 |
celeron55 |
BlockMen: yeah, i made the old dev wiki URLs to properly go to the old dev wiki |
| 14:30 |
RealBadAngel |
celeron55, im still learnin git but nobody out here cannot answer this question |
| 14:31 |
BlockMen |
oh, ok. why keeping old dev wiki? |
| 14:31 |
RealBadAngel |
so, by now it means nobody here doesnt know how to use github |
| 14:31 |
celeron55 |
RealBadAngel: nobody can answer your question because you don't provide enough details |
| 14:32 |
celeron55 |
BlockMen: there's some content in it that isn't properly covered by other sites |
| 14:32 |
RealBadAngel |
detail: i want to add new folder and file in it |
| 14:32 |
Exio |
RealBadAngel: stackoverflow |
| 14:32 |
RealBadAngel |
how? |
| 14:32 |
celeron55 |
and specific pages are referred from there by many pages |
| 14:32 |
celeron55 |
and those pages are still quite up-to-date |
| 14:32 |
BlockMen |
celeron55, ic. that makes sense |
| 14:33 |
RealBadAngel |
also i want to add new file in textures/base/pack |
| 14:33 |
RealBadAngel |
how? |
| 14:33 |
RealBadAngel |
notice im able to do so in my own repos |
| 14:33 |
celeron55 |
for example, the clearest and most up-to-the-point mod installation instructions are in there 8) |
| 14:33 |
celeron55 |
http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php?id=installing_mods |
| 14:33 |
RealBadAngel |
just minetest rejects all the changes |
| 14:33 |
RealBadAngel |
and mark them as "ignored" |
| 14:34 |
RealBadAngel |
i ask what have you done to minetest repo that it wont allow to add new files |
| 14:35 |
celeron55 |
RealBadAngel: maybe some stuff in .gitignore |
| 14:35 |
RealBadAngel |
hallelujah |
| 14:35 |
RealBadAngel |
what stuff then? |
| 14:35 |
RealBadAngel |
-f let me force changes |
| 14:35 |
Exio |
https://www.google.com/search?q=gitignore ? |
| 14:35 |
celeron55 |
i'd think you'd know better |
| 14:36 |
RealBadAngel |
but something prevents them in the first place |
| 14:36 |
RealBadAngel |
so, you do not know? |
| 14:36 |
RealBadAngel |
somebody else did that? |
| 14:37 |
celeron55 |
... |
| 14:37 |
Exio |
/sounds/ |
| 14:37 |
sfan5 |
RealBadAngel: building... |
| 14:37 |
Exio |
in minetest's .gitignore |
| 14:37 |
celeron55 |
just read up the .gitignore documentation and see how to fix it to not ignore valid files |
| 14:37 |
RealBadAngel |
your answers are like maybe i know but im not sure |
| 14:37 |
Exio |
RealBadAngel: our answers are like: RTFM :) |
| 14:38 |
RealBadAngel |
i found the solution |
| 14:38 |
Exio |
vim .gitignore |
| 14:38 |
Exio |
understand it, profit |
| 14:38 |
RealBadAngel |
im asking why its made so |
| 14:38 |
VanessaE |
guys can't you just answer the damn question? |
| 14:38 |
RealBadAngel |
and you were suprised in the first place its not working |
| 14:39 |
Exio |
because we didn't know you were trying sound/ and textures/all |
| 14:39 |
Exio |
did you say it? no, do you say enough details? no |
| 14:39 |
Exio |
do you want help? yes. |
| 14:40 |
RealBadAngel |
i think i did |
| 14:40 |
RealBadAngel |
several times today |
| 14:40 |
celeron55 |
RealBadAngel: you seem to think that we'd know git |
| 14:40 |
celeron55 |
the fact is, we don't; for example i have read about .gitignore for maybe 4 minutes |
| 14:40 |
celeron55 |
you could do that as well and understand as much as I do |
| 14:40 |
RealBadAngel |
:) |
| 14:40 |
Exio |
even, the syntax seems pretty clear for me |
| 14:41 |
celeron55 |
RealBadAngel: also, you haven't told yet what you are specifically trying to do and what the result of that exactly is |
| 14:41 |
celeron55 |
unless you do that, nobody can help |
| 14:41 |
RealBadAngel |
ok |
| 14:41 |
RealBadAngel |
i finished main menu patch |
| 14:42 |
RealBadAngel |
so crated new inventory /sounds |
| 14:42 |
RealBadAngel |
to store local music.sound files |
| 14:42 |
RealBadAngel |
also tried to store background image in /textures |
| 14:43 |
Exio |
what subdirectory of /textures? |
| 14:43 |
RealBadAngel |
in the first try /base/pack |
| 14:44 |
RealBadAngel |
but then it apperad that code CANNOT see menusplash.png here |
| 14:44 |
Exio |
now read the syntax of .gitignore |
| 14:44 |
RealBadAngel |
only in textures/all |
| 14:44 |
RealBadAngel |
so ok, i tried to make /sounds/main_menu.ogg |
| 14:45 |
RealBadAngel |
and /textures/base/pack/ |
| 14:45 |
RealBadAngel |
here two files |
| 14:45 |
RealBadAngel |
all were marked by hg as "ignored" |
| 14:45 |
RealBadAngel |
until i used git add * -f |
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Exio |
https://www.google.com/search?q=ignored+files+git+why |
| 14:51 |
RealBadAngel |
dont point me to uncle google when even project's creator dosnt have a glue |
| 14:51 |
sfan5 |
RealBadAngel: http://sfan5.dyndns.org/minetest-0.4.6-7cd5eb4-rba-win32.7z |
| 14:51 |
RealBadAngel |
sfan5, thx :) |
| 14:52 |
RealBadAngel |
sfan5, btw, have you tried it? |
| 14:52 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 14:52 |
RealBadAngel |
please do |
| 14:52 |
RealBadAngel |
i know that music score can not fit everybody |
| 14:53 |
RealBadAngel |
but i would like to know what folks think about it in general |
| 14:54 |
Exio |
RealBadAngel: think w/e you want to think, but ok |
| 14:54 |
RealBadAngel |
i made it to fit my own taste |
| 14:54 |
RealBadAngel |
i think its every creator's sin |
| 14:56 |
RealBadAngel |
but i havent pulled it even, just try to make it public to cause talk |
| 14:57 |
RealBadAngel |
my idea is simply to make main menu better |
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BlockMen |
RealBadAngel, hey! that was my idea :P |
| 14:59 |
RealBadAngel |
we can cooperate |
| 15:00 |
RealBadAngel |
at least you can now see my ideas workin |
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| 15:01 |
Mailaender |
Hi, I am currently trying to update http://software.opensuse.org/package/minetest which one is the 0.4.6 tag on GitHub? |
| 15:01 |
Jordach |
Mailaender, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/stable-0.4 |
| 15:02 |
Jordach |
its a branch which contains the unchaned stable |
| 15:02 |
Mailaender |
that is a branch, not a tag |
| 15:02 |
BlockMen |
RBA, how should we "cooperate"? you think my logo is ugly, also you dont like my background |
| 15:03 |
Jordach |
Mailaender, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f85c1165c2ea9abbfe426b014dacb7b04238fbea |
| 15:03 |
Jordach |
or https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/0.4.6 |
| 15:03 |
Mailaender |
thanks |
| 15:04 |
rubenwardy |
could this go on the downloads page: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4245 |
| 15:04 |
rubenwardy |
or does something need to happen, like it needs to be updated? |
| 15:06 |
BlockMen |
RealBadAngel, could you add the sounds + textures to sfans build of your code and put it at your post? |
| 15:06 |
BlockMen |
and to your menu: i like the general idea of sound, but not that sound. the angle of clouds is nice |
| 15:07 |
BlockMen |
but i dont like that logo, it looks like 1:1 like mc |
| 15:08 |
BlockMen |
*font |
| 15:15 |
BlockMen |
have to leave... bye everyone |
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rubenwardy |
celeron55, pilzadam, Jordach, I have made an installer for the windows version on this page: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5417 |
| 15:22 |
rubenwardy |
can I add it to "downloads" on the minetest website? |
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rubenwardy |
http://ubuntuone.com/3odMYVRz7tMQ6quqVZWLdr |
| 15:28 |
rubenwardy |
added: http://minetest.net/download |
| 15:28 |
rubenwardy |
if you do not like it, remove it |
| 15:28 |
rubenwardy |
(no one replied) |
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celeron55 |
rubenwardy: i added "[beta]" to it (it's the shortest possible text that will make it clear that it isn't much tested) |
| 15:44 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: taking after Google now? :) |
| 15:45 |
Jordach |
more like working for |
| 15:45 |
celeron55 |
everybody works for google |
| 15:46 |
celeron55 |
if you've ever written text on a webpage, you've worked for google 8) |
| 15:49 |
Calinou |
heh, that's pretty much true |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
Where is the survival formspec defined? |
| 16:06 |
VanessaE |
anyone feel like plugging in a new image for the default screwdriver? I've got one here |
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VanessaE |
it's 32px but drawn to look like 16px (so the numbers still work but it "fits" the 16px standard theme |
| 16:08 |
VanessaE |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/screwdriver.png |
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| 16:21 |
Mailaender |
packaged the latest version at https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/163781 |
| 16:22 |
Mailaender |
you can link to it in a user friendly way using http://software.opensuse.org/package/minetest for your download page |
| 16:25 |
Jordach |
wow, OpenSUSE gets things done pretty quick |
| 16:28 |
Mailaender |
the open build service is pretty user friendly, I like using it |
| 16:30 |
rubenwardy |
what section should the download go in? |
| 16:31 |
rubenwardy |
in the linux section, where |
| 16:31 |
celeron55 |
Mailaender: the same cannot be said about ubuntu's launchpad 8) |
| 16:39 |
PilzAdam |
celeron55, someone need to update the ppa to include TTF, cURL, gettext etc. |
| 16:40 |
Mailaender |
Does Launchpad have a GitHub like webinterface to package DEBs? |
| 16:41 |
Mailaender |
I like the launchpad.net design, but it is of no use to me. Also Canonicals bzr is pretty horrible. When I fetch http://rttr.info I download 500 MB of metadata. |
| 16:42 |
Mailaender |
rubenwardy: http://minetest.net/download#linux next to Fedora, I will only package stable not daily. |
| 16:42 |
PilzAdam |
we automatically import the commits from GitHub into the Launchpad bazaar repo |
| 16:43 |
Mailaender |
why would you want to use bzr if you already have git? |
| 16:44 |
PilzAdam |
because launchpad doesnt support git directly |
| 16:44 |
Mailaender |
*sigh* |
| 16:44 |
Mailaender |
http://openbuildservice.org/ supports everything, even Ubuntu and git |
| 16:44 |
Mailaender |
it does not try to vendor lock in you |
| 16:44 |
Exio |
ubuntu is ubuntu .. :P |
| 16:45 |
Mailaender |
:) |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
Mailaender: what is it for |
| 16:47 |
Mailaender |
projects like http://www.videolan.org/vlc/#download use it to package for all popular binary distributions at once |
| 16:47 |
Mailaender |
and it is used to create the openSUSE distribution |
| 16:47 |
celeron55 |
PilzAdam: umm |
| 16:48 |
celeron55 |
PilzAdam: i think i did update those to the packaging bazaar repo |
| 16:48 |
rubenwardy |
what is openSUSE for? |
| 16:48 |
celeron55 |
PilzAdam: check what the newest revision in it is and update it to be used in the recipes |
| 16:48 |
rubenwardy |
all linux platforms? |
| 16:48 |
Exio |
rubenwardy: distro |
| 16:48 |
Mailaender |
rubenwardy: https://www.opensuse.org is a Linux distribution (like Ubuntu) |
| 16:49 |
rubenwardy |
ah ok |
| 16:49 |
Mailaender |
openSUSE is to SUSE what Fedora is to RedHat |
| 16:49 |
celeron55 |
PilzAdam: hmm, actually i forgot gettext |
| 16:49 |
celeron55 |
but anyhow, here is revision 20 that has ttf and curl: https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/minetest-c55/packaging |
| 16:51 |
celeron55 |
is someone interested to take a look at http://openbuildservice.org/ then? |
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| 18:46 |
celeron55_ |
hmm, i noticed i have plenty of donation money at the moment; i'll move the main website to nearlyfreespeech.com |
| 18:47 |
celeron55_ |
does this work fast for everybody? http://minetest.nfshost.com/ |
| 18:47 |
PilzAdam |
yes |
| 18:47 |
PilzAdam |
well, same speed as the current minetest.net |
| 18:48 |
celeron55_ |
well, if the current host is fast, that's only because your browser caches all images :P |
| 18:49 |
Jordach |
celeron55_, how in donations did you get? |
| 18:49 |
Jordach |
much* |
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| 18:51 |
celeron55_ |
i currently have around $144 since the beginning of last year (before that i don't have as good statistics and might as well consider all the donations be for my sweat and tears anyway) |
| 18:52 |
Jordach |
celeron55_, i suppose one day i might be able to donate about $20 a week |
| 18:53 |
Calinou |
just donate $1040 every year |
| 18:53 |
Calinou |
same thing but feels more painful :3 |
| 18:53 |
celeron55_ |
8D |
| 18:56 |
celeron55_ |
i can't imagine any way to spend that much money except paying someone for work, but that would be very problematic |
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| 19:02 |
Calinou |
buy a new PC so that you finally have more than 20 FPS when playing :P |
| 19:02 |
Calinou |
with $1000 you can pay someone to work for 10 days or so |
| 19:02 |
Calinou |
programmers usually ask for a LOT of money |
| 19:02 |
Calinou |
no developer in the world is paid less then $30k a year :P |
| 19:03 |
Jordach |
Calinou, i'd work provided they give me an apartment |
| 19:03 |
Jordach |
instead of paying me :) |
| 19:21 |
celeron55_ |
sd |
| 19:21 |
celeron55_ |
-sd |
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| 19:30 |
Calinou |
<celeron55_> remains :P |
| 19:35 |
proller |
Calinou, no no no! developers MUST use old 5-10years hardware |
| 19:35 |
proller |
to more optimize |
| 19:35 |
Exio |
s/use/& for testing the app/ |
| 19:36 |
Exio |
compiling in old hardware is a pain |
| 19:37 |
proller |
okay, new server and old desktop |
| 19:39 |
Exio |
you still can optimize stuff with a "mid-end" pc :P |
| 19:40 |
Calinou |
and you should :P |
| 19:45 |
celeron55_ |
minetest.net now resides on nearlyfreespeech.com servers |
| 19:47 |
celeron55_ |
again, if somebody sees any problems in the upcoming days, report immediately |
| 20:22 |
proller |
about codestyle: |
| 20:22 |
proller |
if (a) { |
| 20:23 |
proller |
or |
| 20:23 |
proller |
if (a) |
| 20:23 |
proller |
{ |
| 20:23 |
proller |
? |
| 20:24 |
Exio |
i see more: if (a) { |
| 20:24 |
Exio |
when random looking at code |
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hmmmm |
if (a)\n{ is GNU, if (a) { is K&R, the linux kernel style, if(a){ is just pants-on-head retarded |
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celeron55_ |
and i must note i don't understand that hating at all |
| 20:36 |
proller |
im playing with # astyle --style=attach --indent=tab --keep-one-line-blocks *.cpp *.h |
| 20:37 |
hmmmm |
because it's weird looking and slightly less readable |
| 20:37 |
celeron55_ |
also, i think with and without \n both have their uses; if you have a shitton of stuff in the conditional and then a long block, not having newline makes it a mess, and otoh having a newline in a simple case makes it unnecessarily spacey |
| 20:37 |
hmmmm |
and it's like you're implying if is a function or something, by using it that way with no space |
| 20:38 |
celeron55_ |
hmmmm: i think if (a) { is weird looking and slightly less readable |
| 20:38 |
hmmmm |
there are tons of people with weird opinions of how code should look, like people who do if ( x ) |
| 20:38 |
hmmmm |
and then they indent the closing bracket too |
| 20:38 |
hmmmm |
like |
| 20:38 |
hmmmm |
no comprende |
| 20:38 |
celeron55_ |
some people put a space before ; |
| 20:38 |
celeron55_ |
8D |
| 20:39 |
celeron55_ |
there's all kinds of nonsense around there, but my if(a){ is quite far from those |
| 20:39 |
hmmmm |
if (a) { should be used if only because it's the basically _the standard_ code style |
| 20:39 |
hmmmm |
because of which, the majority of people who write code, minetest's included, will use that |
| 20:39 |
proller |
THIS IS ASTYYYYLE! https://github.com/proller/minetest/compare/master...astyle |
| 20:40 |
proller |
i think every must autoformat code before commiting |
| 20:40 |
proller |
with one formater |
| 20:40 |
hmmmm |
so it makes more sense to me for everybody to just use K&R than it does to format it like you have it, and if they don't, it looks out of place |
| 20:40 |
hmmmm |
i'd rather avoid astyle... seriously |
| 20:40 |
celeron55_ |
i will personally kill anyone who autoformats the codebase |
| 20:41 |
hmmmm |
yeah, do it with your code before you push if you'd like (but you can just format it the way you'd like while writing it..) |
| 20:41 |
hmmmm |
oh by the way |
| 20:42 |
celeron55_ |
once again, autoformat can be a thing to do if you hire some $1000 code monkeys to code Java |
| 20:42 |
proller |
autoformat of all code is too bad, but its ok for new files or-and blocks |
| 20:42 |
hmmmm |
sapier tries to drop a texture that's NULL and it makes me crash whenever access is denied to a server on multiplayer |
| 20:42 |
hmmmm |
i need to push that |
| 20:43 |
hmmmm |
there's also reportedly a double free somewhere? i wouldn'tve pushed it if i saw that, but i didn't on my computer |
| 20:44 |
hmmmm |
i just hope he comes around so he can sort out which one i need to push |
| 20:50 |
proller |
for new files, big splits, or.. astyle --style=attach --indent=tab --keep-one-line-blocks |
| 20:52 |
Exio |
did i hear astyle |
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* Exio |
installs internet explorer on proller's system |
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* proller |
rm -rf explorer* |
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ShadowNinja |
voices, hmmmm: can you please push sapier's sky pointer fix, it also fixes a crash on shutdown |
| 21:12 |
PilzAdam |
hmmmm, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/649 this seems very important |
| 21:13 |
PilzAdam |
there are like billions of people in the forum complaining about it |
| 21:13 |
PilzAdam |
and I see no reason to not merge it because its in another pull request |
| 21:13 |
PilzAdam |
bbl |
| 21:13 |
hmmmm |
i need to talk to sapier first |
| 21:14 |
Exio |
sapier already said "the fix for that is in other pull request, please merge the sky fix too" |
| 21:14 |
Exio |
or something similar |
| 21:14 |
hmmmm |
alright screw it |
| 21:15 |
hmmmm |
i'm going to just fix the things on my own |
| 21:20 |
hmmmm |
grr |
| 21:20 |
hmmmm |
what's the point of having other people contribute if you have to look everything over this close |
| 21:53 |
proller |
final: astyle --style=attach --indent=tab --keep-one-line-blocks --keep-one-line-statements --indent-classes --max-instatement-indent=60 |
| 22:13 |
ShadowNinja |
PilzAdam: https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/30 |
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Taoki |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83662#p83662 |
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aheinecke |
If someone is interested, i've added minetest to the kde-windows buildsystem ( http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Windows/emerge ) which can now build you minetest and all depedencies (including irrlicht) from source on windows with one command. Only tested it with mingw-w64-i686 so far. |
| 22:55 |
aheinecke |
there was a patch necessary to minetest though so that it picks up zlib and freetype correctly on windows (the hardcoded paths and calling convention were extremly ugly anyhow): http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=emerge.git&a=blob&h=2b5405c1915af2973edfdd7934ade698088bbbbc&hb=19395d061c585ff25b6dfd1bece6060ae02d9c41&f=portage%2Fcontributed%2Fminetest%2Fminetest-20130413.patch |
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blue42u |
You here, RealBadAngel? |
| 23:15 |
blue42u |
https://github.com/blue42u/metology/tree/panning_menubg |
| 23:16 |
blue42u |
Menu splashes don't HAVE to be still. |
| 23:16 |
blue42u |
Using RBA's splash image. |
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blue42u |
You here, RealBadAngel? |
