Time  Nick             Message
00:19 RealBadAngel     http://realbadangel.pl/minetest.zip
00:19 RealBadAngel     if somebody wanna see what i have done to main menu
00:20 RealBadAngel     zipped sources, because for some odd reason i cannot add new files nor folders to minetest git
00:31 RealBadAngel     hmmmm, youre here?
03:16 hmmmm            yeah
03:17 Exio             well, he already left :P
03:18 hmmmm            hey RBA, i really know what you mean by the caves making golpher holes all throughout the terrain... i just tried it out in my mapgen, and i really feel like it adds nothing but uglyness:  http://ompldr.org/vaTJmYg
03:19 hmmmm            no more magestic flowing terrain
03:19 hmmmm            in order to do what i want, i definitely need to modify this from v6's caves
03:20 hmmmm            http://ompldr.org/vaTJmYw
03:40 blue42u          Excuse me, hmmm.
03:40 blue42u          But could you look at my fork again?
03:40 blue42u          I THINK I got everything.
03:45 Exio             wow
03:46 Exio             nice blue42u!
03:46 blue42u          Thanks.
03:46 blue42u          For what?
03:46 blue42u          I mean, what's so nice?
03:47 Exio             just a random-look at the code and it seems nice :P
03:47 blue42u          Ah. Thanks. :)
03:49 blue42u          You here, hmmm?
03:59 blue42u          gtg. goodnight all!
04:00 Exio             aw
05:54 celeron55        well this is bugged at least https://github.com/blue42u/metology/commit/adee61e0a2b8f98bcc383239e0ccb3568c9958d3#L5R408
06:11 celeron55        hmmmm: i would think it would be worth mentioning in the coding style guidelines that including large headers in headers should be avoided
06:11 celeron55        it's the number 1 thing in C++ that explodes compile times to be completely unbearable
10:05 PilzAdam         why is there "ping" listed: http://www.minetest.net/servers
10:19 Calinou          ping is irrelevant, yes
10:19 Calinou          it's not to the client :P
10:19 Calinou          "uptime" isn't really useful too, and seems to be random
10:19 Calinou          I'd like to see amount of mods installed on server though, would be nice
12:21 blue42u          Hmmm, can you look at my fork again?
12:23 Exio             hmmmm is not online atm
12:23 Exio             but c55 said something
12:23 blue42u          Oh. I forgot to look. :)
12:24 Jordach          i've just noticed, the minetest.ru server has 99 ping, but the others are slow and clunky
12:25 Jordach          it looks as if the minetest.ru server is on the minetest.net server
12:26 blue42u          celeron55: Whats bugged about it?
12:29 blue42u          I just complied it and it works as it should.
12:35 celeron55        try to set different keys
12:36 celeron55        Jordach: the list on minetest.net is generated by roughly the same server as the minetest.ru game server is
12:36 Jordach          celeron55, i guessed that
12:36 celeron55        www.minetest.net itself isn't one though
12:37 celeron55        it just takes the list from elsewhere
12:37 Jordach          but the ping should really be listed
12:38 blue42u          oooh...
12:41 blue42u          That should fix it. :)
12:46 blue42u          Is there anything missing from my lua hud work that should be added?
12:58 RealBadAngel     hi all
12:58 blue42u          hi.
13:00 RealBadAngel     http://realbadangel.pl/minetest.zip
13:01 RealBadAngel     those are minetest sources with some heavy additions to main menu
13:01 RealBadAngel     feedback needed :)
13:01 PilzAdam         branch needed
13:01 RealBadAngel     so, compile n try
13:01 RealBadAngel     cant
13:02 RealBadAngel     for some odd reason i cannot add new folders to minetest git
13:02 RealBadAngel     also new files
13:02 RealBadAngel     i can only edit existing ones
13:02 PilzAdam         then pass me the diff + new media files
13:02 Exio             ^ better than the whole sources
13:02 RealBadAngel     grab the zip, its whole tree
13:03 Exio             why?
13:03 PilzAdam         why should I download the whole minetest sources if only the menu was updated?
13:03 Exio             i can't download it here, and i want to test the stuff, so?
13:03 RealBadAngel     jesus christ superstar, youre energy saver fan?
13:03 RealBadAngel     it will take circa 15s
13:04 RealBadAngel     i repeat i cannot add to minetest git
13:04 Exio             RealBadAngel: ~32kbps network here
13:04 Exio             i need MINUTES for downloading a fucking mb
13:04 RealBadAngel     so i packed all the sources together with new stuff
13:04 Exio             i will not download the whole sources just for the lulz
13:04 RealBadAngel     those are not lulz
13:05 RealBadAngel     this is real game main menu
13:05 PilzAdam         you really need to learn how to use git
13:05 RealBadAngel     no
13:05 Exio             yes
13:05 RealBadAngel     i can make new folders in any of my repos
13:05 RealBadAngel     but not in minetest
13:05 RealBadAngel     i tested it
13:06 Exio             the error is...?
13:06 RealBadAngel     new content is marked "ignored"
13:06 blue42u_         RealBadAngel: git add <new files>...
13:06 RealBadAngel     git add . doesnt work at all
13:06 PilzAdam         blue42u_, he uses GUI
13:07 RealBadAngel     vanessae tried to help
13:07 blue42u_         Oh.
13:07 Exio             eta 1h 58m
13:07 RealBadAngel     even with cli its impossible to add new files
13:07 Exio             RealBadAngel: for downloading that file
13:07 Jordach          RealBadAngel, git add * is your friend
13:08 PilzAdam         RealBadAngel, you can only add files, not empty directories
13:08 RealBadAngel     * ? vanessae suggested .
13:08 PilzAdam         Jordach, . is better than *
13:08 RealBadAngel     lemme try *
13:08 PilzAdam         because with * you get errors because of .gitignore'd files
13:08 Jordach          PilzAdam, it allows me to add empty dirs
13:09 RealBadAngel     oh yeah
13:09 RealBadAngel     git add * -f
13:10 RealBadAngel     now i got it added
13:10 RealBadAngel     thx folks
13:10 PilzAdam         you are abusing git if you add empty directories
13:10 blue42u_         RBL: I see no difference.
13:11 RealBadAngel     who said empty?
13:11 blue42u_         sorry, RBA.
13:11 RealBadAngel     maybe you,  i didnt
13:11 RealBadAngel     i said NEW
13:12 blue42u_         RBA: What did you change?
13:13 Jordach          PilzAdam, computer programs are only abused when you delete their existence
13:13 Jordach          ;)
13:13 RealBadAngel     https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest
13:13 RealBadAngel     oke doke, changes are in my fork
13:13 RealBadAngel     complete this time
13:15 blue42u_         You may want to update your fork
13:15 RealBadAngel     i made game's main menu look and (suprise here) as... judge yourself
13:15 RealBadAngel     i do love the result
13:16 RealBadAngel     main menu looks like real production intro now
13:16 PilzAdam         you should learn how to use branches
13:17 RealBadAngel     with time, PA
13:17 RealBadAngel     im low level coder, im not used to such nowadays stuff
13:17 RealBadAngel     hi hmmmm
13:17 RealBadAngel     https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest
13:17 hmmmm            yo..
13:18 Exio             damn, 1.5mb
13:18 RealBadAngel     compile and say what do you think
13:18 hmmmm            the instant i joined the channel i get a highlight
13:18 hmmmm            i would, but i can't, i've got school right now
13:18 hmmmm            later
13:18 Exio             hmmmm: what? :P
13:18 PilzAdam         RealBadAngel, oh god... the music....
13:18 RealBadAngel     ok
13:18 * PilzAdam       doesnt want to playe a FPS
13:18 PilzAdam         -e
13:19 RealBadAngel     about the main menu score we can make a poll
13:19 hmmmm            minecraft doesn't even have music in the main menu, FYI
13:19 RealBadAngel     i just used the music Skaven gave us
13:19 PilzAdam         also the header from the new homepage should be used
13:19 RealBadAngel     who cares bout mc?
13:19 blue42u_         wow.
13:19 PilzAdam         and the trees are awful
13:19 hmmmm            hey blue42u
13:20 hmmmm            you messaged me last night
13:20 blue42u_         Oh, yes.
13:20 hmmmm            i'll be sure to check out your fork but not right now
13:20 hmmmm            gotta go
13:20 hmmmm            be back at like 5
13:20 blue42u_         UTC?
13:20 RealBadAngel     PilzAdam, trees awful? why you think so?
13:20 PilzAdam         >hmmmm< CTCP TIME
13:20 PilzAdam         -hmmmm- TIME Fri Apr 12 09:20:44
13:21 PilzAdam         ^ blue42u_
13:21 blue42u_         thx.
13:21 PilzAdam         RealBadAngel, these "fruits" and the leave textures
13:21 PilzAdam         also remove the old ones
13:21 PilzAdam         and the shapes arent that good
13:22 blue42u_         Then change the textures in the game. :P
13:22 Exio             that song is nice...
13:22 Exio             when you want to kill some people in a FPS
13:24 blue42u_         RBA: Could you (maybe) make the image a panorama and turn around?
13:24 PilzAdam         http://youtu.be/S4qrYpPfMdw
13:24 PilzAdam         ^ this is epic
13:26 RealBadAngel     blue42u, image is static
13:26 RealBadAngel     sky is transparent and then clouds are added
13:26 blue42u          That doesn't mean it HAS to be.
13:26 RealBadAngel     sure
13:26 RealBadAngel     but for now its best we can have
13:26 RealBadAngel     imho at least
13:27 Exio             i'd add a small map in the main menu!
13:27 RealBadAngel     for the future i would like to have here predefined small example worlds
13:27 RealBadAngel     with fly by camera
13:28 RealBadAngel     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFhpgBp4JcM
13:28 RealBadAngel     like in this mc vid
13:29 RealBadAngel     such main menu backgrounds are my ultimate goal
13:29 PilzAdam         its still a menu
13:29 PilzAdam         not a cinema
13:29 RealBadAngel     sure
13:30 RealBadAngel     but why cant it rock the house?
13:31 RealBadAngel     new user shall just stare and say "WOW" from the very begining
13:32 blue42u          Makes a good impression. :)
13:32 Exio             add reflection
13:32 Exio             with shaders, as they are enabled by default, and profit
13:32 RealBadAngel     also sample worlds can give new users ideas what can be achieved
13:33 PilzAdam         RealBadAngel, no, the users shouldnt be limited in their minds by showing them example worlds
13:33 PilzAdam         it blocks the creativity
13:33 RealBadAngel     camera flyin around marvelous big castle will let new user know what is possible
13:33 RealBadAngel     and where are the limits
13:34 RealBadAngel     youre completely wrong
13:34 PilzAdam         they would think: "Oh, this game is about building castles"
13:34 RealBadAngel     i exactly know what new users say
13:34 Jordach          just give them a black screen and tell them: this is your world
13:34 RealBadAngel     they say whats the point in running around with a pick?
13:35 Exio             lol Jordach
13:35 RealBadAngel     i heard exact question too many times
13:35 RealBadAngel     so, i told them what can be done
13:35 Exio             RealBadAngel: what is the point of the actual survival?
13:35 RealBadAngel     and how
13:35 PilzAdam         RealBadAngel, exactly that is wrong
13:36 RealBadAngel     forced them to try
13:36 PilzAdam         they have to have their own ideas
13:36 RealBadAngel     to feel the freedom
13:36 PilzAdam         everything else is boring
13:36 RealBadAngel     players nowadays dont know what creativity is
13:36 RealBadAngel     and freedom
13:36 PilzAdam         then they are wrong in Minetest
13:36 PilzAdam         go play COD
13:37 RealBadAngel     when given free world they dont know whats possible
13:37 RealBadAngel     its not a joke
13:37 RealBadAngel     its sad truth
13:37 RealBadAngel     one vid i recall says it all
13:37 RealBadAngel     lemme find it
13:38 RealBadAngel     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU
13:38 RealBadAngel     watch it and re-think
13:39 PilzAdam         I know this video
13:41 PilzAdam         RealBadAngel, this just shows us that we _dont_ do what you suggest
13:42 RealBadAngel     this was offtopic
13:42 RealBadAngel     i just want NICE lookin main menu
13:42 Exio             i want a NICE looking game before
13:43 RealBadAngel     propably in the future with animated worlds
13:43 RealBadAngel     by now static picture, plus moving clouds and music imho does the job
13:45 RealBadAngel     also if you havent noticed what the patch is using
13:45 PilzAdam         but not this music
13:46 RealBadAngel     it shows that ambience like mod can be local and in common
13:47 RealBadAngel     so music tracks, sounds can be stored locally and not transferred by server
13:47 RealBadAngel     so game can come with default sounds
13:47 PilzAdam         this was already there
13:48 RealBadAngel     PilzAdam, so propose another track
13:48 PilzAdam         you patch just changes the name of the folder
13:48 RealBadAngel     yes
13:48 PilzAdam         RealBadAngel, read the logs; I already did
13:48 RealBadAngel     but why no one was using this?
13:48 RealBadAngel     can you link again?
13:48 PilzAdam         http://youtu.be/S4qrYpPfMdw
13:49 PilzAdam         or one of this: http://youtu.be/bIOiV4d1SVI
13:49 RealBadAngel     do you have rights to this tune?
13:49 PilzAdam         ofc not
13:49 PilzAdam         but just to show you wich style it should be
13:50 RealBadAngel     who let you decide what style is proper one? and one and only?
13:50 blue42u          A moving menu image is really not that hard...
13:50 RealBadAngel     there are different tastes out there, not only yours
13:51 PilzAdam         RealBadAngel, ehm... who has said that I have decided something?
13:51 RealBadAngel     "it should be"
13:51 PilzAdam         yes
13:51 PilzAdam         do I need to add an "IMO" to all my sentences?
13:51 RealBadAngel     you should :)
13:52 RealBadAngel     at least when we are talkin tastes ;)
13:52 PilzAdam         I guess it would be obvious that I am talking about what I think would be good IMO
13:52 PilzAdam         ^ IMO
13:52 RealBadAngel     i proposed tune in style i like
13:53 RealBadAngel     moreover, the composer let us use it
13:53 PilzAdam         the Terasology soundtrack is CC I think
13:53 RealBadAngel     but definitely we wont copy their tracks
13:54 RealBadAngel     even if they would be wtf
13:56 BlockMen         RealBadAngel, just add a screenshot of it to here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5289
13:56 RealBadAngel     original ambience tracks were made mostly by one musician
13:56 RealBadAngel     im not quite sure about their licences
13:56 RealBadAngel     but those would be definitely in your style
13:58 Exio             terasology sound track is cool for a sandbox-like minecraft-insipired game
13:59 Exio             inspired*
14:03 RealBadAngel     we shall carry this cross forever?
14:03 RealBadAngel     that we are inspired by others?
14:03 RealBadAngel     mc already took our idea to drop texture atlas
14:04 RealBadAngel     dont stay in shadow, move forward :P
14:07 RealBadAngel     with some things like mesecons for example we are way above mc
14:07 RealBadAngel     i complained a few months ago that redpower2 mod for mc is better
14:08 RealBadAngel     but lately i can clearly see mesecons are getting even better than it
14:08 RealBadAngel     hi lady-backwards-compability ;)
14:10 RealBadAngel     PilzAdam, btw new minetest logo is imho deformed
14:10 BlockMen         more features != better. sometimes simplicity makes something good (i dont mean expilcit mescons with that!)
14:10 RealBadAngel     lower part is too thick, and looks ugly
14:10 Jordach          i agree with BlockMen
14:11 Jordach          we have enough content as is for 0.4.x
14:11 Jordach          we should be just fixing bugs until 0.5.x
14:11 Jordach          then we can expand a little again during 0.5.x
14:11 Exio             i don't think we have enough content
14:12 RealBadAngel     me neither
14:12 Jordach          Exio, that's debatable between the community
14:12 BlockMen         and RealBadAngel, could you add something to your pos (at forum) for user who cant compile it?
14:12 BlockMen         *post
14:12 Exio             Jordach: survival player, for creative it is awesome
14:12 Exio             but for survival it just lacks the "survivalness" :P
14:12 RealBadAngel     BlockMen, what do you mean? make win build?
14:13 Jordach          Exio, minetest_game should have beds + simple_mobs imho
14:13 BlockMen         i have trouble with compiling under windows and i heared other have too
14:13 Exio             not simple_mods, but you get the point
14:13 RealBadAngel     sorry no windows here, im not using shit
14:13 BlockMen         so just a link to a screenshot would be fine too
14:13 Jordach          and neither am i, leave it upto PilzAdam, sfan5 or thexyz
14:14 Jordach          to compile
14:14 sfan5            compile what?
14:14 Jordach          RealBadAngel's fork
14:14 BlockMen         or a link to compiled
14:14 RealBadAngel     sfan5, could you compile this: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest
14:14 RealBadAngel     ?
14:15 sfan5            sure
14:15 RealBadAngel     its almost up to date tree with main menu changes
14:15 RealBadAngel     music + background that fit the clouds
14:15 BlockMen         RBA, what makes that line " v3f(0,0,0), v3f(0, 0, 1));"?
14:15 sfan5            run "git diff git://github.com/minetest/minetest/master" and post the output
14:16 sfan5            RBA 11
14:16 sfan5            *^
14:16 RealBadAngel     sets camera to look in certain direction
14:16 RealBadAngel     so clouds fit the screenshot
14:16 BlockMen         ic, thx
14:17 RealBadAngel     first vector is postition
14:17 RealBadAngel     2nd look dir
14:18 RealBadAngel     in fact it doesnt matter at which pos screenshot was taken
14:18 RealBadAngel     only thing that matters is look dir
14:19 RealBadAngel     so we can assume photographer pos is always 0,0,0
14:19 sfan5            <sfan5> run "git diff git://github.com/minetest/minetest/master" and post the output
14:19 sfan5            ^ RBA
14:19 sfan5            wait..
14:20 RealBadAngel     fatal: Invalid object name 'git'.
14:21 RealBadAngel     sfan5, http://realbadangel.pl/minetest.zip
14:21 sfan5            no, no
14:21 RealBadAngel     theres whole tree
14:22 sfan5            its easier for me to use a patch
14:22 sfan5            ..
14:22 sfan5            make sure you have the upstream remote defined to git://github.com/minetest/minetest
14:23 RealBadAngel     minetest is configured with gitignore propably so i cannot add NEW folders and files
14:23 sfan5            then run "git diff upstream/master | sed -e 's/diff --git/diff -ru/' -e 's/a\//minetest\//' -e 's/b\//minetest\//'" and post the output
14:23 RealBadAngel     thats why i made zip with sources in the first place
14:24 iqualfragile     thats why i use hg
14:24 RealBadAngel     later i did: git add * -f
14:24 sfan5            why hg?
14:24 RealBadAngel     and now my tree sees the changes
14:24 Exio             iqualfragile: layer 8 problems can't be fixed with software
14:25 RealBadAngel     im also using hg
14:25 RealBadAngel     adding new content works flawlessly in all of my repos, but not in minetest fork
14:25 iqualfragile     Exio: well… they can be prevented
14:26 * sfan5          is just going to produce a patch himself
14:26 RealBadAngel     i saw before mark on my newly added content "ingored"
14:26 celeron55        i tried removing uptime and ping from http://www.minetest.net/servers
14:27 celeron55        looks quite nice now and all the important things are still there
14:27 RealBadAngel     celeron55, how it is with adding new files and folders to mt tree?
14:27 celeron55        ?
14:28 celeron55        i don't see what kind of a problem is in that
14:28 RealBadAngel     i wasnt able to add any new content to repo
14:28 RealBadAngel     all was ignored
14:28 celeron55        well, maybe you should learn git
14:28 RealBadAngel     git add * -f
14:28 RealBadAngel     did the trick
14:29 celeron55        yeah sure, that'll add many build files and whatever
14:29 celeron55        nobody will want to look at the end result of that 8)
14:29 RealBadAngel     git add . doesnt work
14:30 BlockMen         celeron55, have you fixed the old dev wiki stuff?
14:30 celeron55        BlockMen: yeah, i made the old dev wiki URLs to properly go to the old dev wiki
14:30 RealBadAngel     celeron55, im still learnin git but nobody out here cannot answer this question
14:31 BlockMen         oh, ok. why keeping old dev wiki?
14:31 RealBadAngel     so, by now it means nobody here doesnt know how to use github
14:31 celeron55        RealBadAngel: nobody can answer your question because you don't provide enough details
14:32 celeron55        BlockMen: there's some content in it that isn't properly covered by other sites
14:32 RealBadAngel     detail: i want to add new folder and file in it
14:32 Exio             RealBadAngel: stackoverflow
14:32 RealBadAngel     how?
14:32 celeron55        and specific pages are referred from there by many pages
14:32 celeron55        and those pages are still quite up-to-date
14:32 BlockMen         celeron55, ic. that makes sense
14:33 RealBadAngel     also i want to add new file in textures/base/pack
14:33 RealBadAngel     how?
14:33 RealBadAngel     notice im able to do so in my own repos
14:33 celeron55        for example, the clearest and most up-to-the-point mod installation instructions are in there 8)
14:33 celeron55        http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php?id=installing_mods
14:33 RealBadAngel     just minetest rejects all the changes
14:33 RealBadAngel     and mark them as "ignored"
14:34 RealBadAngel     i ask what have you done to minetest repo that it wont allow to add new files
14:35 celeron55        RealBadAngel: maybe some stuff in .gitignore
14:35 RealBadAngel     hallelujah
14:35 RealBadAngel     what stuff then?
14:35 RealBadAngel     -f let me force changes
14:35 Exio             https://www.google.com/search?q=gitignore ?
14:35 celeron55        i'd think you'd know better
14:36 RealBadAngel     but something prevents them in the first place
14:36 RealBadAngel     so, you do not know?
14:36 RealBadAngel     somebody else did that?
14:37 celeron55        ...
14:37 Exio             /sounds/
14:37 sfan5            RealBadAngel: building...
14:37 Exio             in minetest's .gitignore
14:37 celeron55        just read up the .gitignore documentation and see how to fix it to not ignore valid files
14:37 RealBadAngel     your answers are like maybe i know but im not sure
14:37 Exio             RealBadAngel: our answers are like: RTFM :)
14:38 RealBadAngel     i found the solution
14:38 Exio             vim .gitignore
14:38 Exio             understand it, profit
14:38 RealBadAngel     im asking why its made so
14:38 VanessaE         guys can't you just answer the damn question?
14:38 RealBadAngel     and you were suprised in the first place its not working
14:39 Exio             because we didn't know you were trying sound/ and textures/all
14:39 Exio             did you say it? no, do you say enough details? no
14:39 Exio             do you want help? yes.
14:40 RealBadAngel     i think i did
14:40 RealBadAngel     several times today
14:40 celeron55        RealBadAngel: you seem to think that we'd know git
14:40 celeron55        the fact is, we don't; for example i have read about .gitignore for maybe 4 minutes
14:40 celeron55        you could do that as well and understand as much as I do
14:40 RealBadAngel     :)
14:40 Exio             even, the syntax seems pretty clear for me
14:41 celeron55        RealBadAngel: also, you haven't told yet what you are specifically trying to do and what the result of that exactly is
14:41 celeron55        unless you do that, nobody can help
14:41 RealBadAngel     ok
14:41 RealBadAngel     i finished main menu patch
14:42 RealBadAngel     so crated new inventory /sounds
14:42 RealBadAngel     to store local music.sound files
14:42 RealBadAngel     also tried to store background image in /textures
14:43 Exio             what subdirectory of /textures?
14:43 RealBadAngel     in the first try /base/pack
14:44 RealBadAngel     but then it apperad that code CANNOT see menusplash.png here
14:44 Exio             now read the syntax of .gitignore
14:44 RealBadAngel     only in textures/all
14:44 RealBadAngel     so ok, i tried to make /sounds/main_menu.ogg
14:45 RealBadAngel     and /textures/base/pack/
14:45 RealBadAngel     here two files
14:45 RealBadAngel     all were marked by hg as "ignored"
14:45 RealBadAngel     until i used git add * -f
14:48 Exio             https://www.google.com/search?q=ignored+files+git+why
14:51 RealBadAngel     dont point me to uncle google when even project's creator dosnt have a glue
14:51 sfan5            RealBadAngel: http://sfan5.dyndns.org/minetest-0.4.6-7cd5eb4-rba-win32.7z
14:51 RealBadAngel     sfan5, thx :)
14:52 RealBadAngel     sfan5, btw, have you tried it?
14:52 sfan5            no
14:52 RealBadAngel     please do
14:52 RealBadAngel     i know that music score can not fit everybody
14:53 RealBadAngel     but i would like to know what folks think about it in general
14:54 Exio             RealBadAngel: think w/e you want to think, but ok
14:54 RealBadAngel     i made it to fit my own taste
14:54 RealBadAngel     i think its every creator's sin
14:56 RealBadAngel     but i havent pulled it even, just try to make it public to cause talk
14:57 RealBadAngel     my idea is simply to make main menu better
14:57 BlockMen         RealBadAngel, hey! that was my idea :P
14:59 RealBadAngel     we can cooperate
15:00 RealBadAngel     at least you can now see my ideas workin
15:01 Mailaender       Hi, I am currently trying to update http://software.opensuse.org/package/minetest which one is the 0.4.6 tag on GitHub?
15:01 Jordach          Mailaender, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/stable-0.4
15:02 Jordach          its a branch which contains the unchaned stable
15:02 Mailaender       that is a branch, not a tag
15:02 BlockMen         RBA, how should we "cooperate"? you think my logo is ugly, also you dont like my background
15:03 Jordach          Mailaender, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f85c1165c2ea9abbfe426b014dacb7b04238fbea
15:03 Jordach          or https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/0.4.6
15:03 Mailaender       thanks
15:04 rubenwardy       could this go on the downloads page: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4245
15:04 rubenwardy       or does something need to happen, like it needs to be updated?
15:06 BlockMen         RealBadAngel, could you add the sounds + textures to sfans build of your code and put it at your post?
15:06 BlockMen         and to your menu: i like the general idea of sound, but not that sound. the angle of clouds is nice
15:07 BlockMen         but i dont like that logo, it looks like 1:1 like mc
15:08 BlockMen         *font
15:15 BlockMen         have to leave... bye everyone
15:22 rubenwardy       celeron55, pilzadam, Jordach, I have made an installer for the windows version on this page: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5417
15:22 rubenwardy       can I add it to "downloads" on the minetest website?
15:26 rubenwardy       http://ubuntuone.com/3odMYVRz7tMQ6quqVZWLdr
15:28 rubenwardy       added: http://minetest.net/download
15:28 rubenwardy       if you do not like it, remove it
15:28 rubenwardy       (no one replied)
15:40 celeron55        rubenwardy: i added "[beta]" to it (it's the shortest possible text that will make it clear that it isn't much tested)
15:44 VanessaE         celeron55: taking after Google now? :)
15:45 Jordach          more like working for
15:45 celeron55        everybody works for google
15:46 celeron55        if you've ever written text on a webpage, you've worked for google 8)
15:49 Calinou          heh, that's pretty much true
15:50 jojoa1997|Tablet Where is the survival formspec defined?
16:06 VanessaE         anyone feel like plugging in a new image for the default screwdriver?  I've got one here
16:07 VanessaE         it's 32px but drawn to look like 16px (so the numbers still work but it "fits" the 16px standard theme
16:08 VanessaE         http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/screwdriver.png
16:21 Mailaender       packaged the latest version at https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/163781
16:22 Mailaender       you can link to it in a user friendly way using http://software.opensuse.org/package/minetest for your download page
16:25 Jordach          wow, OpenSUSE gets things done pretty quick
16:28 Mailaender       the open build service is pretty user friendly, I like using it
16:30 rubenwardy       what section should the download go in?
16:31 rubenwardy       in the linux section, where
16:31 celeron55        Mailaender: the same cannot be said about ubuntu's launchpad 8)
16:39 PilzAdam         celeron55, someone need to update the ppa to include TTF, cURL, gettext etc.
16:40 Mailaender       Does Launchpad have a GitHub like webinterface to package DEBs?
16:41 Mailaender       I like the launchpad.net design, but it is of no use to me. Also Canonicals bzr is pretty horrible. When I fetch http://rttr.info I download 500 MB of metadata.
16:42 Mailaender       rubenwardy: http://minetest.net/download#linux next to Fedora, I will only package stable not daily.
16:42 PilzAdam         we automatically import the commits from GitHub into the Launchpad bazaar repo
16:43 Mailaender       why would you want to use bzr if you already have git?
16:44 PilzAdam         because launchpad doesnt support git directly
16:44 Mailaender       *sigh*
16:44 Mailaender       http://openbuildservice.org/ supports everything, even Ubuntu and git
16:44 Mailaender       it does not try to vendor lock in you
16:44 Exio             ubuntu is ubuntu .. :P
16:45 Mailaender       :)
16:46 rubenwardy       Mailaender: what is it for
16:47 Mailaender       projects like http://www.videolan.org/vlc/#download use it to package for all popular binary distributions at once
16:47 Mailaender       and it is used to create the openSUSE distribution
16:47 celeron55        PilzAdam: umm
16:48 celeron55        PilzAdam: i think i did update those to the packaging bazaar repo
16:48 rubenwardy       what is openSUSE for?
16:48 celeron55        PilzAdam: check what the newest revision in it is and update it to be used in the recipes
16:48 rubenwardy       all linux platforms?
16:48 Exio             rubenwardy: distro
16:48 Mailaender       rubenwardy: https://www.opensuse.org is a Linux distribution (like Ubuntu)
16:49 rubenwardy       ah ok
16:49 Mailaender       openSUSE is to SUSE what Fedora is to RedHat
16:49 celeron55        PilzAdam: hmm, actually i forgot gettext
16:49 celeron55        but anyhow, here is revision 20 that has ttf and curl: https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/minetest-c55/packaging
16:51 celeron55        is someone interested to take a look at http://openbuildservice.org/ then?
18:46 celeron55_       hmm, i noticed i have plenty of donation money at the moment; i'll move the main website to nearlyfreespeech.com
18:47 celeron55_       does this work fast for everybody? http://minetest.nfshost.com/
18:47 PilzAdam         yes
18:47 PilzAdam         well, same speed as the current minetest.net
18:48 celeron55_       well, if the current host is fast, that's only because your browser caches all images :P
18:49 Jordach          celeron55_, how in donations did you get?
18:49 Jordach          much*
18:51 celeron55_       i currently have around $144 since the beginning of last year (before that i don't have as good statistics and might as well consider all the donations be for my sweat and tears anyway)
18:52 Jordach          celeron55_, i suppose one day i might be able to donate about $20 a week
18:53 Calinou          just donate $1040 every year
18:53 Calinou          same thing but feels more painful :3
18:53 celeron55_       8D
18:56 celeron55_       i can't imagine any way to spend that much money except paying someone for work, but that would be very problematic
19:02 Calinou          buy a new PC so that you finally have more than 20 FPS when playing :P
19:02 Calinou          with $1000 you can pay someone to work for 10 days or so
19:02 Calinou          programmers usually ask for a LOT of money
19:02 Calinou          no developer in the world is paid less then $30k a year :P
19:03 Jordach          Calinou, i'd work provided they give me an apartment
19:03 Jordach          instead of paying me :)
19:21 celeron55_       sd
19:21 celeron55_       -sd
19:30 Calinou          <celeron55_> remains :P
19:35 proller          Calinou, no no no! developers MUST use old 5-10years hardware
19:35 proller          to more optimize
19:35 Exio             s/use/& for testing the app/
19:36 Exio             compiling in old hardware is a pain
19:37 proller          okay, new server and old desktop
19:39 Exio             you still can optimize stuff with a "mid-end" pc :P
19:40 Calinou          and you should :P
19:45 celeron55_       minetest.net now resides on nearlyfreespeech.com servers
19:47 celeron55_       again, if somebody sees any problems in the upcoming days, report immediately
20:22 proller          about codestyle:
20:22 proller          if (a) {
20:23 proller          or
20:23 proller          if (a)
20:23 proller          {
20:23 proller          ?
20:24 Exio             i see more: if (a) {
20:24 Exio             when random looking at code
20:34 hmmmm            if (a)\n{ is GNU, if (a) { is K&R, the linux kernel style, if(a){ is just pants-on-head retarded
20:36 celeron55_       and i must note i don't understand that hating at all
20:36 proller          im playing with #   astyle --style=attach --indent=tab --keep-one-line-blocks *.cpp *.h
20:37 hmmmm            because it's weird looking and slightly less readable
20:37 celeron55_       also, i think with and without \n both have their uses; if you have a shitton of stuff in the conditional and then a long block, not having newline makes it a mess, and otoh having a newline in a simple case makes it unnecessarily spacey
20:37 hmmmm            and it's like you're implying if is a function or something, by using it that way with no space
20:38 celeron55_       hmmmm: i think if (a) { is weird looking and slightly less readable
20:38 hmmmm            there are tons of people with weird opinions of how code should look, like people who do if ( x )
20:38 hmmmm            and then they indent the closing bracket too
20:38 hmmmm            like
20:38 hmmmm            no comprende
20:38 celeron55_       some people put a space before ;
20:38 celeron55_       8D
20:39 celeron55_       there's all kinds of nonsense around there, but my if(a){ is quite far from those
20:39 hmmmm            if (a) { should be used if only because it's the basically _the standard_ code style
20:39 hmmmm            because of which, the majority of people who write code, minetest's included, will use that
20:39 proller          THIS IS ASTYYYYLE!  https://github.com/proller/minetest/compare/master...astyle
20:40 proller          i think every must autoformat code before commiting
20:40 proller          with one formater
20:40 hmmmm            so it makes more sense to me for everybody to just use K&R than it does to format it like you have it, and if they don't, it looks out of place
20:40 hmmmm            i'd rather avoid astyle... seriously
20:40 celeron55_       i will personally kill anyone who autoformats the codebase
20:41 hmmmm            yeah, do it with your code before you push if you'd like (but you can just format it the way you'd like while writing it..)
20:41 hmmmm            oh by the way
20:42 celeron55_       once again, autoformat can be a thing to do if you hire some $1000 code monkeys to code Java
20:42 proller          autoformat of all code is too bad, but its ok for new files or-and blocks
20:42 hmmmm            sapier tries to drop a texture that's NULL and it makes me crash whenever access is denied to a server on multiplayer
20:42 hmmmm            i need to push that
20:43 hmmmm            there's also reportedly a double free somewhere?  i wouldn'tve pushed it if i saw that, but i didn't on my computer
20:44 hmmmm            i just hope he comes around so he can sort out which one i need to push
20:50 proller          for new files, big splits, or..  astyle --style=attach --indent=tab --keep-one-line-blocks
20:52 Exio             did i hear astyle
20:52 * Exio           installs internet explorer on proller's system
20:57 * proller        rm -rf explorer*
21:09 ShadowNinja      voices, hmmmm: can you please push sapier's sky pointer fix, it also fixes a crash on shutdown
21:12 PilzAdam         hmmmm, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/649 this seems very important
21:13 PilzAdam         there are like billions of people in the forum complaining about it
21:13 PilzAdam         and I see no reason to not merge it because its in another pull request
21:13 PilzAdam         bbl
21:13 hmmmm            i need to talk to sapier first
21:14 Exio             sapier already said "the fix for that is in other pull request, please merge the sky fix too"
21:14 Exio             or something similar
21:14 hmmmm            alright screw it
21:15 hmmmm            i'm going to just fix the things on my own
21:20 hmmmm            grr
21:20 hmmmm            what's the point of having other people contribute if you have to look everything over this close
21:53 proller          final:  astyle --style=attach --indent=tab --keep-one-line-blocks --keep-one-line-statements --indent-classes --max-instatement-indent=60
22:13 ShadowNinja      PilzAdam: https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/30
22:39 Taoki            http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83662#p83662
22:52 aheinecke        If someone is interested, i've added minetest to the kde-windows buildsystem ( http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Windows/emerge ) which can now build you minetest and all depedencies (including irrlicht) from source on windows with one command. Only tested it with mingw-w64-i686 so far.
22:55 aheinecke        there was a patch necessary to minetest though so that it picks up zlib and freetype correctly on windows (the hardcoded paths and calling convention were extremly ugly anyhow): http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=emerge.git&a=blob&h=2b5405c1915af2973edfdd7934ade698088bbbbc&hb=19395d061c585ff25b6dfd1bece6060ae02d9c41&f=portage%2Fcontributed%2Fminetest%2Fminetest-20130413.patch
23:10 blue42u          You here, RealBadAngel?
23:15 blue42u          https://github.com/blue42u/metology/tree/panning_menubg
23:16 blue42u          Menu splashes don't HAVE to be still.
23:16 blue42u          Using RBA's splash image.
23:53 blue42u          You here, RealBadAngel?