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ShadowNinja |
the new website is having some issues... |
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RealBadAngel |
hmmmmm, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/642 some bugfixes, can you merge it? |
| 01:51 |
hmmmmm |
i can't merge that |
| 01:51 |
hmmmmm |
you use strtok |
| 01:51 |
RealBadAngel |
whats wrong with it? |
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hmmmmm |
it's unacceptable to use strtok, especially when i added strtok_r for platforms that don't have it already |
| 01:53 |
RealBadAngel |
so shall i use strtok_k? |
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hmmmmm |
there is no such thing as strtok_k |
| 01:54 |
RealBadAngel |
you just said you added it? |
| 01:54 |
hmmmmm |
that's strtok_r. |
| 01:54 |
RealBadAngel |
oops :) |
| 01:54 |
RealBadAngel |
any difference with usage? |
| 01:54 |
hmmmmm |
not really |
| 01:55 |
hmmmmm |
if you'd like an example of how to use strtok_r, see settings.h getStruct() and setStruct() |
| 01:55 |
hmmmmm |
also read the man pages for it.. but that goes without saying. you always need to know how a function works before you use it. |
| 01:55 |
RealBadAngel |
i need to just cut the first part of string to get rid of quantities |
| 01:57 |
RealBadAngel |
before some1 (propably darkrose) cut the compared string to query length, so for this function default:obsidian was the same as default:obsidian_shard, glass, etc |
| 01:57 |
hmmmmm |
well that's not right |
| 02:12 |
RealBadAngel |
hmmmmm, changed commit to use strtok_r |
| 02:28 |
hmmmmm |
that's better |
| 02:29 |
Exio |
that hmmmmm is fake |
| 02:29 |
Exio |
where is hmmmm |
| 02:29 |
hmmmmm |
the cyberpolice caught him |
| 02:29 |
Exio |
what did he do? :P |
| 02:30 |
hmmmmm |
he hacked the gibson |
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hmmmmm |
why is it that the only time i have free to work on minetest, i feel like crap |
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hmmmmm |
how essential is reproducibility when it comes to cave generation, do you think? |
| 03:39 |
hmmmmm |
it'd pretty easy for each mapgen object to maintain a list of the endpoints of each previously generated cave, and would produce probably neater results, but the downside is that the recorded endpoints would be lost on destruction of that mapgen object, so the same map that had more generated within a longer run of time would have more connected and different caves than otherwise, perhaps |
| 03:40 |
hmmmmm |
just a passing thought, i'm not pushing for this at all |
| 03:41 |
Exio |
i don't get one thing, what about when a "cave" gets ... half generated or so? |
| 03:43 |
hmmmmm |
erm, what? |
| 03:43 |
Exio |
random thing, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/326 - wasn't leveldb going to be in 0.4.7? |
| 03:43 |
hmmmmm |
yes.. and? |
| 03:43 |
Exio |
hmmmmm: for the first thing, nvm, miss read |
| 03:44 |
Exio |
for the second, nothing really, :P |
| 03:44 |
Exio |
oh god, this lag kills me |
| 03:45 |
hmmmmm |
i think i've decided that i'm not going to generalize the cave generation and simply plop that into mapgen v7 |
| 03:45 |
hmmmmm |
i can make improvements and it would be wholly incompatible, but that's okay |
| 03:45 |
hmmmmm |
because i have no such restriction of reverse compatibility now |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
in reality, I don't think anyone will actually give two shits whether caves are the same from one map to another of the same seed |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
except maybe those folks who like to post coords for pop tart cats or something. |
| 03:46 |
hmmmmm |
it'd be marked as a bug and you know it |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
mmmh |
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celeron55 |
hmm... i think the "account" button should be more hidden on the main website |
| 06:08 |
celeron55 |
it looks now like it was for any regular user, but it really isn't for anyone else than a few people |
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celeron55 |
maybe put it in the footer or something |
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Taoki_1 |
VanessaE: Tweaked that bobbing as close as I could to your suggestion last night. Feel free to try the latest version |
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PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, why have you added this example to lua-api.txt? |
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Taoki |
PilzAdam: Please see the ltest fall bobbing commit. I did the suggestions VanessaE told me last night, and now it should be as good as it can get |
| 12:04 |
Taoki |
You get little bobbing when just jumping and falling in place, and the maximum amount at about +3 nodes fall |
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PilzAdam |
will look at it soon |
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Calinou |
Taoki: can you add an idle camera/wield item animation too? would be nice :P |
| 12:09 |
Taoki |
Calinou: Maybe some other time |
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Calinou |
I didn't say "now" ;) |
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blue42u |
Has anyone noticed the server crashing on shutdown? |
| 12:51 |
PilzAdam |
yes |
| 12:53 |
blue42u |
Well, the cause is line 97 of emerge.cpp. |
| 12:53 |
PilzAdam |
we already have a pull request to fix it |
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blue42u |
Ah. Sorry, then. :) |
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RealBadAngel |
hi all |
| 12:57 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, because i thought it was needed |
| 12:57 |
PilzAdam |
it isnt |
| 12:57 |
RealBadAngel |
can be moved to wiki |
| 12:58 |
RealBadAngel |
just copy paste it to wiki then |
| 12:59 |
PilzAdam |
remove it from lua-api.txt |
| 12:59 |
RealBadAngel |
1st, let me tell you why i thought it was needed |
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RealBadAngel |
now the function works totally different then before, both of them |
| 13:00 |
PilzAdam |
what? |
| 13:00 |
PilzAdam |
have you broken compatibility? |
| 13:00 |
RealBadAngel |
theres different indexin system (proper one), it does return matched queries, not just first found |
| 13:00 |
RealBadAngel |
before indexes was STRINGS |
| 13:01 |
BlockMen |
celeron55, if you want keep the login just for that few persons, than the account "button" can be removed at all |
| 13:01 |
PilzAdam |
so, mods that have used it before dont work anymore? |
| 13:01 |
RealBadAngel |
and compared output item name was cut to length of query |
| 13:02 |
RealBadAngel |
so result for query default:obsidian was default:obsidian, default:obsidian_shard or glass |
| 13:02 |
RealBadAngel |
whatever was first found |
| 13:02 |
RealBadAngel |
yes, old code has to be fixed |
| 13:02 |
PilzAdam |
that isnt good |
| 13:03 |
RealBadAngel |
indexing table with for example table[""..i..""] |
| 13:03 |
RealBadAngel |
is just wrong |
| 13:03 |
PilzAdam |
it is already in an stable release |
| 13:03 |
RealBadAngel |
and in this very case compability can be sticked down there |
| 13:03 |
PilzAdam |
what mods do you use this function? |
| 13:04 |
RealBadAngel |
im not sure if any |
| 13:04 |
RealBadAngel |
it was so fucked up that results were just crazy |
| 13:04 |
RealBadAngel |
and using totally hard to find out |
| 13:04 |
PilzAdam |
you have added this function, right? |
| 13:04 |
RealBadAngel |
im talkin bout get_craft_recipe |
| 13:05 |
RealBadAngel |
wrote by darkrose |
| 13:05 |
RealBadAngel |
she fucked it up in every possible way |
| 13:06 |
RealBadAngel |
my fault was to copy some of her code to mine |
| 13:06 |
RealBadAngel |
now i had to fix them both |
| 13:06 |
PilzAdam |
why are you adding the exmaple to get_all_craft_recipes() then if you say that get_craft_recipe() was changed? |
| 13:07 |
PilzAdam |
the default mod uses get_craft_recipe() |
| 13:08 |
RealBadAngel |
because its workin different now |
| 13:08 |
RealBadAngel |
i thought explanation is needed |
| 13:08 |
RealBadAngel |
also i think get_craft_recipe shall be marked obsolete and removed |
| 13:08 |
PilzAdam |
but you said it works different because darkrose fucked it up, but thats a different function? |
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RealBadAngel |
those are two very similar functions |
| 13:09 |
RealBadAngel |
doin the very same |
| 13:09 |
RealBadAngel |
mine was written on base of darkrose one originally |
| 13:10 |
celeron55 |
BlockMen: i think it's nice to have it somewhere |
| 13:10 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, so your function was fucked up too? |
| 13:10 |
RealBadAngel |
not so hard, but too |
| 13:10 |
PilzAdam |
why have you done it this way in the first place and waited until its in a stable release before fixing it? |
| 13:11 |
RealBadAngel |
because i had no time to fully implement use of it, ie Unified Inventory craft guide |
| 13:12 |
RealBadAngel |
when i started to code it i realized this code is broken in certain cases |
| 13:13 |
RealBadAngel |
not all of them, most cases it returns expected values |
| 13:13 |
RealBadAngel |
but in some cases it behaves weird |
| 13:13 |
BlockMen |
celeron55, ok. but i would like to keep top right when logged in |
| 13:13 |
RealBadAngel |
thus its fucked up |
| 13:14 |
Jordach |
ehm, id like to hide the top right and make it seem harder for spambots to login |
| 13:14 |
RealBadAngel |
i tested it with dump table |
| 13:14 |
RealBadAngel |
so i could see 1={...}, 2={...} |
| 13:15 |
RealBadAngel |
everythin was fine |
| 13:15 |
PilzAdam |
doesnt the craft guide function use it? |
| 13:15 |
RealBadAngel |
but 1 and 2 and all of the indexes was made strings |
| 13:15 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, no, we were using our own hooks |
| 13:16 |
RealBadAngel |
so instead of table[1], table["1"] was needed |
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RealBadAngel |
hi darkrose |
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| 13:18 |
RealBadAngel |
i was fixing get_craft_recipe yesterday |
| 13:18 |
RealBadAngel |
and because i copied over some of yours code, my own function too |
| 13:19 |
PilzAdam |
you have changed darkrose's code without talking to her? |
| 13:19 |
RealBadAngel |
to her code i only applied bugfixes |
| 13:20 |
RealBadAngel |
obvious ones |
| 13:21 |
RealBadAngel |
i havent changed functionality |
| 13:21 |
BlockMen |
celeron55, http://i.imgur.com/aGBFuaW.png ? |
| 13:22 |
Jordach |
BlockMen, i like that |
| 13:22 |
RealBadAngel |
which is not as it should be in fact |
| 13:23 |
RealBadAngel |
darkrose idea was to return with get craft recipe which was last registered |
| 13:24 |
RealBadAngel |
mine is to return them all, because we do have multiple recipes |
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| 13:24 |
RealBadAngel |
and different ways to get the same item |
| 13:25 |
RealBadAngel |
also, darkrose's one doesnt care of output quantities |
| 13:25 |
RealBadAngel |
example i put in lua api says it all |
| 13:25 |
BlockMen |
Jordach, i tried to makeit discreet |
| 13:26 |
Jordach |
BlockMen, or just have a nice secret login page |
| 13:26 |
BlockMen |
(the text) |
| 13:26 |
Jordach |
like https://minetest.net/login |
| 13:26 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, still, examples dont belong into lua-api.txt |
| 13:26 |
BlockMen |
np, celeron want a link |
| 13:26 |
BlockMen |
*no |
| 13:26 |
Jordach |
hmmm |
| 13:26 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, so move it to wiki if you can |
| 13:26 |
RealBadAngel |
i will remove it from api doc file |
| 13:27 |
RealBadAngel |
i just wanted usage of it to be clear |
| 13:27 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, also write a not to Modding General to announce the change |
| 13:28 |
RealBadAngel |
oke, i will do so |
| 13:28 |
RealBadAngel |
deivan i think will be interested |
| 13:28 |
Deivan |
Oo |
| 13:28 |
RealBadAngel |
speakin of the devil ;) |
| 13:28 |
RealBadAngel |
i fixed function to get recipes |
| 13:29 |
Deivan |
My irc client notify me when someone call my name. :D |
| 13:29 |
RealBadAngel |
UI is fixed already |
| 13:29 |
Deivan |
RL is calling. AFK |
| 13:29 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, and do never complain again if something breaks mod compatibility |
| 13:30 |
RealBadAngel |
keeping aliases, namespace, same nodes is one thing |
| 13:30 |
RealBadAngel |
but: |
| 13:30 |
Exio |
keep '1' when adding 1? and deprecate '1' and remove it in two releases? |
| 13:31 |
RealBadAngel |
for i=1,10,1 do table[""..i..""] .... |
| 13:31 |
RealBadAngel |
is just FUCKIN WRONG |
| 13:31 |
troller |
someone, who can MAKE SERVERS TAB!!!! |
| 13:31 |
Jordach |
actually, multiplayer tab should have two sub tabs, server list and favourite servers |
| 13:32 |
troller |
favorite on http:// ?? |
| 13:32 |
RealBadAngel |
so please dont compare bugs to compability issues |
| 13:33 |
troller |
now its wery simple to embed server list, and lot of work to favorites |
| 13:33 |
PilzAdam |
where is the difference in breaking mods and breaking mods? |
| 13:33 |
RealBadAngel |
hey i know two which were broken |
| 13:34 |
RealBadAngel |
Unified Inventory and Craft Guide originally by cornernote, now maintained by Deivan |
| 13:34 |
RealBadAngel |
i wont cry, deivan wont too i think :P |
| 13:35 |
RealBadAngel |
because now it works and we can get rid of hooks |
| 13:35 |
PilzAdam |
yea, and Calinou does neither when I pick some of his nodes |
| 13:35 |
RealBadAngel |
which some1 broke lately |
| 13:35 |
RealBadAngel |
we were depending on loading mods in alphabetical order |
| 13:36 |
RealBadAngel |
to be the first one to load and catch them all |
| 13:36 |
RealBadAngel |
some1 fixed it and broke our mods |
| 13:36 |
RealBadAngel |
has he asked us about it? |
| 13:36 |
Deivan |
I don't cry, well, sometimes... |
| 13:36 |
Deivan |
:-P |
| 13:36 |
Deivan |
AFK |
| 13:37 |
RealBadAngel |
cmon, asked or not? |
| 13:37 |
RealBadAngel |
so i fixed it to be reliable and usable |
| 13:37 |
RealBadAngel |
end of story |
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Deivan |
For me is a solved case, my mod is working again. No problem. :D AFK |
| 13:39 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, see? i havent actually broken anythin. i caused it to work again :P |
| 13:40 |
RealBadAngel |
but this case gave me a lesson |
| 13:40 |
RealBadAngel |
never, ever copy part of some1's code and think it is good and working |
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celeron55 |
BlockMen: that looks fine |
| 14:10 |
celeron55 |
BlockMen: keeping it at top right while logged in is fine, if you want to |
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Clarkian |
so what are we gonna talk about? |
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BlockMen |
celeron55, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.net_dokutemplate/pull/5/ |
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rubenwardy |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83276#p83276 |
| 14:36 |
rubenwardy |
Would be good if the logo/title was downsized to a width of 520px, as the size on the website is that |
| 14:36 |
rubenwardy |
for faster loading |
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PilzAdam |
also: add the logo as menuheader to the game |
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celeron55 |
rubenwardy: isn't it 475px on the page |
| 14:38 |
rubenwardy |
it says 520px is the element width, there may be padding |
| 14:38 |
celeron55 |
but true; i'll do that |
| 14:38 |
celeron55 |
it says 475px if i look up image info in FF |
| 14:39 |
BlockMen |
rubenwardy, noticed it yesterday too... |
| 14:39 |
BlockMen |
celeron55, it is 520! |
| 14:39 |
celeron55 |
it is? oh well, it does look more like 520 than 475 anyway 8) |
| 14:40 |
BlockMen |
celeron55, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.net_dokutemplate/blob/master/tpl_header.php#L79 :P |
| 14:41 |
rubenwardy |
Would it be possible to make a nyan cat appear on the stone background at the bottom of every page? for personality |
| 14:41 |
rubenwardy |
or mese |
| 14:42 |
celeron55 |
hmm, i tried scaling it to 520px with imagemagick; it looks somewhat blurrier now |
| 14:42 |
rubenwardy |
what did you do about interlacing? |
| 14:42 |
rubenwardy |
try per pixel or what ever |
| 14:43 |
celeron55 |
ehm? |
| 14:43 |
celeron55 |
also, no nyan cats on the page; the author is too bitchy about usage of it |
| 14:43 |
rubenwardy |
our nyan cats? |
| 14:43 |
rubenwardy |
or maybe just mese |
| 14:44 |
rubenwardy |
or a dungeon with a dungeon master in it (even though they are obsolete) |
| 14:44 |
BlockMen |
celeron55, and could you delete main-top_background - Kopie.png in images folder? |
| 14:44 |
BlockMen |
rubenwardy, not the dungeonmaster.... |
| 14:45 |
rubenwardy |
KA BOOM!! |
| 14:52 |
celeron55 |
BlockMen: hell |
| 14:52 |
celeron55 |
why did you remove the nice bottom margin i added |
| 14:52 |
* celeron55 |
hates reverting stupid changes by others |
| 14:53 |
BlockMen |
i thought it was a bug. |
| 14:53 |
BlockMen |
how should i have known? |
| 14:54 |
celeron55 |
from the commit where i made it |
| 14:55 |
BlockMen |
oh..there |
| 14:55 |
BlockMen |
damn..i hate github! |
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| 14:56 |
celeron55 |
anyhow, the moving of the login link to the bottom works well |
| 14:56 |
BlockMen |
at least something... |
| 14:57 |
BlockMen |
and the rewrite support too :) |
| 14:57 |
celeron55 |
yes |
| 14:57 |
BlockMen |
but now i have to ask...why have u added that margin to bottom? |
| 14:58 |
celeron55 |
it makes it much clearer that the page ends there |
| 14:58 |
celeron55 |
i hate pages that don't have some very clear indication of it |
| 14:58 |
BlockMen |
in my opinion a footer makes kinda clear : here is the end |
| 14:59 |
celeron55 |
you need to read the texts there to know it |
| 14:59 |
celeron55 |
now you can be half blind and still see it in 100 milliseconds |
| 15:00 |
celeron55 |
also, the page starts without the whiteish background, so it should also end without it |
| 15:00 |
celeron55 |
it makes it complete |
| 15:00 |
BlockMen |
in my opinn not, but whatever...it just looks like hoovering in a strange way above ground now |
| 15:00 |
BlockMen |
*opinion |
| 15:01 |
BlockMen |
2em looks better |
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rubenwardy |
hmm http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fminetest.net%2Fstart&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0 |
| 15:29 |
rubenwardy |
not that is matters |
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BlockMen |
rubenwardy, thx. except of the first error i will fix. the first has celeron to fix, because it is not in the template (IIRC) |
| 15:35 |
troller |
BlockMen, please make servers tab if you change site |
| 15:37 |
BlockMen |
troller, celeron55 has to decide that. if he is ok with that i will do |
| 15:38 |
troller |
celeron55, ! |
| 15:40 |
celeron55 |
what will it contain |
| 15:43 |
celeron55 |
probably servers, but based on what? |
| 15:44 |
celeron55 |
and... why? |
| 15:44 |
hmmmm |
[09:29 AM] <PilzAdam> RealBadAngel, and do never complain again if something breaks mod compatibility |
| 15:44 |
PilzAdam |
the public server list? |
| 15:44 |
hmmmm |
why does this break compatibility? |
| 15:45 |
hmmmm |
i feel like you're just being grumpy in general, you didn't actually have a look at what the code does |
| 15:46 |
PilzAdam |
it just changes the index type of returned table |
| 15:47 |
PilzAdam |
wich breaks compatiblity if a mod already used it |
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BlockMen |
celeron55, fixed validation errors: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.net_dokutemplate/pull/6 |
| 15:51 |
BlockMen |
the meta error is somewhere in "<?php tpl_includeFile('meta.html') ?>" (i guess) |
| 15:52 |
rubenwardy |
Cafepress still has only $3.04 in it |
| 15:52 |
rubenwardy |
could get c55 some biscuits with that :S |
| 15:52 |
BlockMen |
rubenwardy, since what date it is $3.04? |
| 15:53 |
rubenwardy |
since jan iirc |
| 15:53 |
troller |
celeron55, same list as http://servers.minetest.net |
| 15:53 |
troller |
with same script + css |
| 15:53 |
hmmmm |
a mod that already uses it would need to do recpies[i + ""] to convert it to a string first in order to access it, yes? |
| 15:54 |
hmmmm |
and now that won't work |
| 15:54 |
celeron55 |
troller: hmm, i'll implement this with some JS 8) |
| 15:54 |
hmmmm |
pilzadam, honestly, that's a horrible way to access a result array, and it was wrong in the first place |
| 15:54 |
hmmmm |
we made the decision to make incompatibilities in the API if they are unavoidable and problematic |
| 15:54 |
troller |
celeron55, js from http://servers.minetest.net can be embendable to any page |
| 15:55 |
hmmmm |
if the side effects of solving the problem are unavoidable* |
| 15:55 |
* celeron55 |
is a bit rusty in vanilla javascript though, but wants practice |
| 15:55 |
BlockMen |
celeron55, plz not more JS: http://i.imgur.com/l3zGucT.png |
| 15:55 |
hmmmm |
i'd say the underlying problem is a dynamic type system. this is bad, and the people who invented it should feel bad. |
| 15:55 |
celeron55 |
BlockMen: eh, what does that image even show? |
| 15:56 |
rubenwardy |
loading times |
| 15:56 |
rubenwardy |
i guess |
| 15:56 |
celeron55 |
it's an enormous JS file, why would i code 385KB of JS? |
| 15:56 |
celeron55 |
also, what the hell even is that |
| 15:56 |
BlockMen |
loading times, sizes, etc |
| 15:57 |
celeron55 |
why is there a 385KB javascript file on minetest.net |
| 15:57 |
BlockMen |
dokuwiki? |
| 15:57 |
celeron55 |
oh, it seems to include jquery |
| 15:58 |
rubenwardy |
http://minetest.net/lib/exe/js.php?tseed=1365615783 |
| 15:58 |
celeron55 |
oh well, this got 10x easier then |
| 15:58 |
BlockMen |
maybe we could delete all that smiley sh... |
| 16:00 |
BlockMen |
oh..nvm |
| 16:00 |
BlockMen |
it is less i thought |
| 16:02 |
celeron55 |
well if dokuwiki uses jquery, there's really no way around that |
| 16:02 |
celeron55 |
i do think jquery is bloated cancer, but it's so hard to get rid of it's worthless to try |
| 16:02 |
celeron55 |
8) |
| 16:02 |
celeron55 |
we could point the <script> to jquery.org though |
| 16:02 |
celeron55 |
they have massive servers |
| 16:03 |
troller |
script for making serverlist - http://paste.org.ru/?3ddaua |
| 16:03 |
troller |
using jquery |
| 16:06 |
troller |
http://jsfiddle.net/YmDKr/1/ |
| 16:07 |
celeron55 |
eh |
| 16:07 |
celeron55 |
what kind of an unique id is #table |
| 16:07 |
troller |
not very uqique 8( |
| 16:08 |
troller |
bit i can change or make configurable |
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celeron55 |
for some reason this doesn't work like at all |
| 16:11 |
celeron55 |
oh i screwed up |
| 16:12 |
troller |
more unique and configurable - http://minetest.setun.net:8000/ |
| 16:13 |
celeron55 |
http://www.minetest.net/servers |
| 16:13 |
celeron55 |
i just copied and edited it a bit 8) |
| 16:13 |
celeron55 |
it looks kind of reasonable |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
looks good |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
you should write "description" and not "desc", it looks ugly :| |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
but that's the master server |
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* celeron55 |
changes it in the glorious copypaste code |
| 16:15 |
BlockMen |
celeron55, what happend to the padding-right at /servers? |
| 16:16 |
celeron55 |
padding-right? |
| 16:16 |
troller |
i will fix it all in master script |
| 16:16 |
troller |
now will commit.. |
| 16:17 |
celeron55 |
dunno, my browser shows the page just like i'd expect it to |
| 16:20 |
BlockMen |
celeron55, http://i.imgur.com/5Wgvdgr.png |
| 16:21 |
troller |
celeron55, and in bottom of list must be short description how to add server to list |
| 16:21 |
troller |
like: Write in server_announce = 0 |
| 16:22 |
troller |
in minetest.conf, or check ''Public" in server gui |
| 16:22 |
troller |
thexyz, ! please update masterserver script |
| 16:23 |
celeron55 |
what does it require to announce to the master server? |
| 16:23 |
celeron55 |
only server_announce = 1? |
| 16:23 |
troller |
yes |
| 16:23 |
troller |
and public ip |
| 16:23 |
troller |
and reachable 30000 udp port |
| 16:24 |
troller |
not 30000, from port= |
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troller |
in short - server_announce = 1 and link to wiki 8) |
| 16:28 |
rubenwardy |
http://minetest.net/_detail/ |
| 16:28 |
rubenwardy |
??? |
| 16:28 |
celeron55 |
well, added a reasonably short note |
| 16:28 |
rubenwardy |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83300#p83300 |
| 16:29 |
celeron55 |
rubenwardy: he probably refreshed the page while i was updating files before clearing cache |
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celeron55 |
or something |
| 16:30 |
celeron55 |
also, i have no idea what _detail/ is, but it looks harmless |
| 16:30 |
proller__ |
celeron55, server_address = without port, port taken from port= |
| 16:31 |
celeron55 |
oops 8) |
| 16:31 |
proller__ |
and address can be empty, master will use ip |
| 16:31 |
BlockMen |
_detail is from media |
| 16:31 |
celeron55 |
well okay, i'll just leave it out |
| 16:31 |
proller__ |
and if you wrote wrong address - master will reject server |
| 16:31 |
BlockMen |
e.g http://minetest.net/_detail/screen2.png?id=start |
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celeron55 |
i think we need to put texture packs under "mods" to make room for servers; the top-level navigation bar is too crowded already |
| 16:35 |
celeron55 |
or alternatively put servers under community |
| 16:35 |
BlockMen |
how about something like "Costumize"(mods, texturepakcs) and "Play" (servers, games)? |
| 16:35 |
celeron55 |
no, and games would go under customize in that |
| 16:35 |
BlockMen |
right |
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celeron55 |
i think i'll just quickly put it under community right now; it's not a bad place |
| 16:36 |
proller__ |
servers must be easily reachable by first time visitors |
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celeron55 |
well, they are accessible in-game anyway |
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celeron55 |
BlockMen: "Customize" and "Servers" would probably work |
| 16:38 |
celeron55 |
the top-level Customize can simply point to mods |
| 16:38 |
celeron55 |
Customize sounds a bit boring though in all it's non-specificness |
| 16:39 |
celeron55 |
that's why i chose "Extend" to the previous website |
| 16:39 |
celeron55 |
it's shorter too; but it's not exactly what it's about though, so i don't know |
| 16:39 |
PilzAdam |
hmmmm, yes, I agree that the change is good |
| 16:39 |
proller__ |
we must interest player before he download and install game and multiplayer - important for it |
| 16:39 |
PilzAdam |
just wanted to be sure that not too many mods are affected |
| 16:39 |
PilzAdam |
*effected |
| 16:40 |
BlockMen |
celeron55, im alos not sure bout that. either "Extend" nor "Costumize" is rly nice |
| 16:41 |
BlockMen |
maybe just put under community for the moment and we think a new structre next time... |
| 16:41 |
BlockMen |
*soon |
| 16:41 |
celeron55 |
i'll do that; it's so trivial |
| 16:41 |
PilzAdam |
hmmmm, also, I would say that it is good to merge leveldb ASAP, so we have long enough testing |
| 16:41 |
celeron55 |
trivial is good 8) |
| 16:43 |
celeron55 |
one thing still bothers me about the navigation bar |
| 16:44 |
celeron55 |
it's confusing which of the top-level links are supposed to pop down a submenu |
| 16:44 |
celeron55 |
you're left to wonder if your browser is lagging or if there really is no submenu |
| 16:45 |
celeron55 |
there should be something to make it obvious without trying to open them |
| 16:45 |
celeron55 |
maybe some kind of a small arrowhead icon downwards or... something |
| 16:45 |
BlockMen |
i could make a drop down arrow beside |
| 16:45 |
BlockMen |
but i think that looks also not very nice |
| 16:46 |
BlockMen |
*but ok |
| 16:46 |
celeron55 |
i think there must be a way to make it look reasonable |
| 16:46 |
PilzAdam |
do we need the same link in the dropdown menu? e.g. "Mods" and "Recommended" are the same link |
| 16:46 |
celeron55 |
not sure how |
| 16:46 |
celeron55 |
PilzAdam: i think yes, because some people won't notice that the top level text is a useful link too |
| 16:46 |
BlockMen |
celeron55 want that (he is easy to confuse) :P |
| 16:47 |
PilzAdam |
I still would prefer to change "Recommended" to "Popular" |
| 16:47 |
celeron55 |
i think it would be wise too; recommended sounds like you shouldn't even try others 8) |
| 16:48 |
PilzAdam |
recommended sounds like the mods are good |
| 16:48 |
PilzAdam |
technic isnt |
| 16:48 |
BlockMen |
PilzAdam, why dont you remove it from list then? |
| 16:48 |
celeron55 |
i'll change it to popular |
| 16:48 |
PilzAdam |
because its "popular" :-) |
| 16:49 |
VanessaE |
recommended should be taken to mean "a lot of folks think this is good, you should try it out". |
| 16:49 |
VanessaE |
"popular" just covers the first clause, not the second. |
| 16:49 |
celeron55 |
"many dumb people use this, maybe you're one of them" 8D |
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* celeron55 |
grins |
| 16:50 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 16:50 |
celeron55 |
yeah, now it's PR GRADE |
| 16:50 |
BlockMen |
ok, but then we have to use the popularity |
| 16:50 |
BlockMen |
so now choosing anymore |
| 16:50 |
celeron55 |
no we don't |
| 16:50 |
BlockMen |
*no |
| 16:51 |
BlockMen |
but then popular makes no sence |
| 16:51 |
celeron55 |
this can be justified by the fact that all metrics are flawed |
| 16:51 |
celeron55 |
so we trust our own brains |
| 16:52 |
celeron55 |
not everything need to be controlled by machines! |
| 16:52 |
BlockMen |
Popular->most hits, recommended->brain chosen |
| 16:52 |
celeron55 |
they'll get most hits because of being on that page 8) |
| 16:53 |
celeron55 |
it's valid independently of the direction of causation |
| 16:53 |
BlockMen |
the word "popular" already says it: lat. populus |
| 16:53 |
BlockMen |
so "chosen" by a mass of ppl, not just afew |
| 16:54 |
celeron55 |
well, "Editor's Choice" would be a very factual title for that link |
| 16:55 |
celeron55 |
but it's kind of corny |
| 16:55 |
BlockMen |
sounds bad, but makes sence |
| 16:55 |
celeron55 |
what about "Popular-ish"? 8) |
| 16:56 |
BlockMen |
and wouldnt it be clever first to merge my commit and then change the name?? |
| 16:56 |
celeron55 |
"Showroom"? |
| 16:56 |
VanessaE |
Showcase? |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
"recommended" is fine |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
ubuntu uses it, so it is fine |
| 16:57 |
BlockMen |
how about "Celerons favs"? |
| 16:57 |
BlockMen |
:D |
| 16:58 |
celeron55 |
how about "Most used" |
| 16:58 |
celeron55 |
we don't have statistics about that, so it can be arbitrary |
| 16:58 |
celeron55 |
as long as it's the intention |
| 16:58 |
hmmmm |
[12:41 PM] <PilzAdam> hmmmm, also, I would say that it is good to merge leveldb ASAP, so we have long enough testing me too, but there are like two separate pull requests and you closed both of them or something? |
| 16:58 |
PilzAdam |
how about "Popular"; seriosuly, everyone knows what we mean |
| 16:58 |
celeron55 |
i'm totally fine with Popular and already changed it to that |
| 16:59 |
VanessaE |
"popular" would have the most "neutral" connotation |
| 16:59 |
celeron55 |
okay |
| 16:59 |
PilzAdam |
hmmmm, what? |
| 16:59 |
hmmmm |
#minetest-dev - intense discussion about the heading of some webpage |
| 16:59 |
* celeron55 |
places stamp on VanessaE's and BlockMen's head |
| 16:59 |
VanessaE |
ow. |
| 16:59 |
celeron55 |
it's decided |
| 16:59 |
PilzAdam |
hmmmm, this is the one and only: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/326 |
| 17:00 |
PilzAdam |
ask thexyz to rebase it |
| 17:00 |
hmmmm |
i could sware that there was another. |
| 17:00 |
BlockMen |
celeron55, and why havent you merged my fixes??? |
| 17:00 |
hmmmm |
yeah i would, but thexyz is never around |
| 17:00 |
BlockMen |
atm its not html5 vlaid |
| 17:00 |
celeron55 |
BlockMen: why are you so hurried :P |
| 17:00 |
PilzAdam |
hmmmm, hes always arround, he is just quiet |
| 17:00 |
hmmmm |
hah, probably |
| 17:00 |
BlockMen |
same question back->pointing at "Popular" :P |
| 17:01 |
hmmmm |
you'd have to be crazy to want to be involved with minetest's development |
| 17:01 |
PilzAdam |
according to the website, you have to be a guy or a girl with a blocky head |
| 17:02 |
proller__ |
celeron55, in home: Multiplayer support for tens of players, via servers hosted by users. ---> make it as link to servers page |
| 17:02 |
proller__ |
or maybe "servers hosted by users" |
| 17:02 |
VanessaE |
did you mean, "via supercomputers hosted by users"? |
| 17:02 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 17:03 |
VanessaE |
also, please don't use the phrase 'tens of'. |
| 17:03 |
VanessaE |
"dozens of" is fine if you want that kind of scale |
| 17:03 |
celeron55 |
proller__: maybe you would like to have an account for editing the site? 8) |
| 17:03 |
* PilzAdam |
votes for "tens of" |
| 17:03 |
PilzAdam |
>:-) |
| 17:04 |
celeron55 |
why do americans want to use such strange numbers |
| 17:04 |
celeron55 |
in finland it's perfectly normal to say "tens of" |
| 17:04 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: it's not so much that 'dozens of' is strange, as much as "tens of" is in native english |
| 17:04 |
proller__ |
celeron55, no 8) |
| 17:04 |
celeron55 |
VanessaE: also, "via supercomputers" sounds awesome, i'm going to change it to that |
| 17:05 |
VanessaE |
we only use "tens of" usually when prefixing a measure of thousands, millions, etc., e.g. "tens of thousands" is fine. |
| 17:05 |
hmmmm |
tens of supercomputers! |
| 17:05 |
celeron55 |
now it's "tens of players, via supercomputers hosted by users" |
| 17:05 |
hmmmm |
who comes up with this shit |
| 17:05 |
celeron55 |
this is 100% good |
| 17:06 |
hmmmm |
i think one of us should write it (i.e. sane people) |
| 17:06 |
celeron55 |
hmmmm: you do not want to know what the front page looked like after the initial editing rush |
| 17:06 |
celeron55 |
except that i will show you |
| 17:06 |
celeron55 |
wait a moment |
| 17:06 |
BlockMen |
to have a little more fun: why "Popular" and not "Most Popular"? :D |
| 17:07 |
celeron55 |
hmmmm: take a look at this http://www.minetest.net/start?rev=1365543940 |
| 17:07 |
celeron55 |
BlockMen: because they're not most popular, but just quite popular! |
| 17:08 |
hmmmm |
inspired by ace of spades? |
| 17:08 |
hmmmm |
really? |
| 17:08 |
hmmmm |
i don't think anybody's ever heard of 'gnomescroll' either |
| 17:08 |
celeron55 |
read further 8D |
| 17:08 |
BlockMen |
i want a download counter for every mod and use that for the "Most Popular" :P |
| 17:08 |
hmmmm |
just available for windows, mac osx and linux? way more than that |
| 17:08 |
BlockMen |
ok, enough fun for today |
| 17:09 |
BlockMen |
im off... |
| 17:09 |
BlockMen |
bye |
| 17:09 |
hmmmm |
i'd change the "minetest is developed by" back to "a random bunch of lunatics' |
| 17:10 |
hmmmm |
the last sentence in that introductory section is just retarded |
| 17:10 |
PilzAdam |
anyone against putting the new "MINETEST" header into the game as menuheader.png? |
| 17:10 |
hmmmm |
no amount of rewording can fix that |
| 17:10 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: seems fine to me. |
| 17:10 |
hmmmm |
and then they reference le reddit for some random reason |
| 17:11 |
hmmmm |
if it were up to me, i'd say toss all of that content and do it from scratch |
| 17:12 |
VanessaE |
"Build your dream world by hunting for and digging various resources such as gold, Mese, trees, and so on. It's an almost-infinite voxel world, so your imagination is the only limit!" |
| 17:12 |
VanessaE |
how about that? |
| 17:12 |
hmmmm |
"fast dynamic lighting" |
| 17:12 |
hmmmm |
okay wow. |
| 17:12 |
hmmmm |
everything except "lighting" is wrong with that |
| 17:13 |
PilzAdam |
what about a blank page with a link to this discussion? |
| 17:13 |
VanessaE |
hah |
| 17:13 |
hmmmm |
it doesn't matter, it's already been thoroughly revised from what i understand |
| 17:13 |
hmmmm |
ugh you're kidding me, this is actually part of the main minetest page? |
| 17:14 |
hmmmm |
throw all of it out immediately |
| 17:14 |
hmmmm |
i am embarassed to be associated with minetest now |
| 17:14 |
hmmmm |
bring back the old text |
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Taoki |
PilzAdam: Any news? |
| 17:38 |
celeron55 |
hmmmm: it was an old version of that page |
| 17:38 |
celeron55 |
this is the current one http://www.minetest.net/start |
| 17:39 |
celeron55 |
it's mostly the old text... i think i'll change some stuff still though |
| 17:39 |
hmmmm |
ahh, that's much better, except i don't see why we have the "(or boxel, as reddit calls it)" part there |
| 17:39 |
hmmmm |
and the lighting is definitely not dynamic |
| 17:39 |
celeron55 |
it has been there for like a year |
| 17:39 |
hmmmm |
that would mislead people |
| 17:39 |
hmmmm |
not until taoki gives minetest some nice lights :) |
| 17:40 |
celeron55 |
i'll remove the reddit reference |
| 17:40 |
Taoki |
hmmmm: With some help from soneone else who knows I assume |
| 17:40 |
celeron55 |
how's now? |
| 17:40 |
hmmmm |
the lighting is tough, but with enough time to work on it, you can solve almost anything |
| 17:40 |
hmmmm |
looks better |
| 17:40 |
Taoki |
At best I can add a setting to disable voxel lighting and add hardware lights. But someone else will need to take care of adding in the shadows |
| 17:40 |
ssieb |
is the lighting calculated on the client or server? |
| 17:41 |
hmmmm |
server |
| 17:41 |
ssieb |
oh! |
| 17:41 |
ssieb |
that's probably what's causing the lag on my server then :-) |
| 17:41 |
hmmmm |
erm, probably not. |
| 17:41 |
* ssieb |
has the walking lights mod... |
| 17:41 |
rubenwardy |
this may be relevant for "most popular mods": http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/search.php?id=mod |
| 17:42 |
rubenwardy |
- food, that is probably bias |
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Taoki |
Current lighting is prolly a very laggy factor |
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| 17:48 |
celeron55 |
now i'm quite happy with the site |
| 17:48 |
celeron55 |
some pages are quite short; those can obviously be extended a bit (but with actually useful information and not some blah blah) |
| 17:53 |
celeron55 |
added "About this website" at the end of http://www.minetest.net/community |
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ShadowNinja |
The server list looks a lot better there, it just has to be tweaked to fit properly |
| 17:58 |
celeron55 |
hmm, i think i'll attempt that a bit |
| 17:59 |
celeron55 |
ah, the page is locked by you :P |
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celeron55 |
ShadowNinja: i think it would be good to put name and description in the same column |
| 18:00 |
celeron55 |
name being a header-ish thing in there |
| 18:00 |
celeron55 |
that will already make it fit quite well |
| 18:03 |
ShadowNinja |
Yes, that would work, the flags could also be made a lottle more human-readable, perhaps we could use icons, that would save space and look nice. |
| 18:03 |
ShadowNinja |
little* |
| 18:05 |
celeron55 |
or use even shorter ones (only single capital letters) and add mouseover tooltips... icons aren't really that important usability-wise |
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| 18:06 |
ShadowNinja |
Good idea |
| 18:06 |
celeron55 |
or just list the meanings of them at the start or end of the page |
| 18:06 |
celeron55 |
it doesn't really require anything fancier than that :P |
| 18:09 |
celeron55 |
Displaying users 1-20 of 1372 found. 1372 users total |
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celeron55 |
:D |
| 18:09 |
celeron55 |
fucking spambots |
| 18:10 |
celeron55 |
they can't do anything but read the pages anyway |
| 18:10 |
celeron55 |
well, each of them is just a single line in a file, whatever |
| 18:10 |
celeron55 |
i can accomodate millions of them |
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celeron55 |
maybe i'll disable registration anyway |
| 18:11 |
celeron55 |
yeah, done |
| 18:14 |
rubenwardy |
I signed up to minetest.net, not that anyone cares |
| 18:14 |
Exio |
1372 users, where? |
| 18:14 |
celeron55 |
yeah, you have an account |
| 18:15 |
celeron55 |
added you to the member group; you can update stuff when needed |
| 18:15 |
rubenwardy |
ok, thanks |
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rubenwardy |
It would be pretty epic if someone builds a bot that produces a new screenshot wall every so often |
| 18:16 |
rubenwardy |
well, nah |
| 18:16 |
VanessaE |
guys, can someone please finally fix this stupid off-by-one error in the inventory textures? |
| 18:17 |
VanessaE |
(where one thing in the inventory shows up as something else in-world) |
| 18:17 |
Jordach2 |
VanessaE, that;s just the texture atlas |
| 18:17 |
VanessaE |
Jordach2: it's not related to the texture atlas - it happens for some people even with the atlas disabled. |
| 18:17 |
VanessaE |
(which is the default case since 0.4.6 I think) |
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Jordach2 |
hmm? oh right, forgot i have 1gb of VRAM |
| 18:18 |
celeron55 |
rubenwardy: well... not actually useful at all and just one thing more that can break :P |
| 18:18 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, i thought so |
| 18:18 |
sapier |
I'm about to update the sky patch this should fix one of the last texture leaks |
| 18:23 |
sapier |
is anyone here who can tell me what those heavy lua timers are used for? |
| 18:23 |
Jordach2 |
timing, pure and simple. |
| 18:24 |
sapier |
jordach I didn't want to know what the word timer means but what they are used for |
| 18:24 |
sapier |
cause disabling them doesn't seam to have any impact on default game except reducing lua load by 50% (while having lots of mobs in there) |
| 18:25 |
Jordach2 |
its like a node specific abm |
| 18:25 |
Jordach2 |
with 1 chance |
| 18:25 |
celeron55 |
what are you talking about |
| 18:26 |
sapier |
http://pastebin.com/6sP981tu |
| 18:26 |
sapier |
http://pastebin.com/zRDzbL4V |
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sapier |
misc.lua line 10 |
| 18:26 |
sapier |
you can se about 2/3 of total time consumed by lua is only by those timer |
| 18:26 |
sapier |
s |
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sapier |
second pastebin is with comments on that lines |
| 18:27 |
celeron55 |
everything that uses minetest.after is synced to the timer list using that loop |
| 18:28 |
sapier |
so we can't avoid this overhead at all? |
| 18:28 |
celeron55 |
i don't understand why it would use so much time |
| 18:28 |
celeron55 |
i would guess your profiling is somehow flawed |
| 18:29 |
sapier |
I doubt, I've improved some functions and have seen exact what I expected in profiling |
| 18:29 |
sapier |
and if you have a look at those functions having high self times each of them has a loop |
| 18:29 |
celeron55 |
how can total be 25.7 seconds if hits is only 916? |
| 18:30 |
sapier |
total is time including time of called functions, self is time spent in this function |
| 18:30 |
celeron55 |
that doesn't make it make any more sense |
| 18:31 |
celeron55 |
i am guessing it somehow confuses the callbacks transferred in there with the time the actual callbacks take to complete sometime later |
| 18:31 |
sapier |
according to this number each call to this fct took aproximatly 28ms |
| 18:32 |
sapier |
maybe ... I'll do more investigations on this |
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celeron55 |
comment out line 17 |
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celeron55 |
and see what happens |
| 18:33 |
celeron55 |
then it will just handle the functions without calling them |
| 18:42 |
sapier |
http://pastebin.com/c6maPqPj |
| 18:43 |
sapier |
doesn't seam to make much of a difference |
| 18:49 |
sapier |
celeron do we really need granularity of step for timers? |
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sapier |
hmmm increasing "granularity" doesn't help as I can't avoid this fct beeing called every step ... I'll think about how to get this done in a a little bit time saving way |
| 19:07 |
sapier |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/627 fixed sky patch removing merge to working branch |
| 19:08 |
PilzAdam |
celeron55, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83350#p83350 :D |
| 19:09 |
sapier |
jordan really seams to hate mobf ... 36 seconds wow :-) |
| 19:09 |
RealBadAngel |
lol |
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hmmmm |
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK MOBF! |
| 19:11 |
hmmmm |
RRR ME HATE MOBF |
| 19:11 |
hmmmm |
sounds to me like he's just super active on the forums though. |
| 19:12 |
sapier |
"no" isn't quite a answer beeing very helpfull to a newbee ;-) |
| 19:12 |
hmmmm |
you know, the more i play around with the cave code, the more i think it's pretty good in concept |
| 19:12 |
hmmmm |
it's just that the code that does it is messy |
| 19:13 |
RealBadAngel |
his activity is next to none comparing to some other members like jojoa ;) |
| 19:13 |
sapier |
if you're right and concept is good don't change it :-) |
| 19:15 |
hmmmm |
i still haven't completely decided on what i'm going to do, but i think i'd like to generalize the cave code a bit more, move it into its own file, and extend whatever i'd need to in mapgen v7 |
| 19:15 |
RealBadAngel |
if both were good and right we wont have caves in the air and added content carving |
| 19:15 |
RealBadAngel |
that beast have to be kept underground |
| 19:15 |
hmmmm |
it does.. i'm going to keep it underground |
| 19:16 |
sapier |
wrong time of application doesn't mean generation itself is wrong |
| 19:16 |
hmmmm |
i'll still add the is_ground_content check though. |
| 19:16 |
hmmmm |
v7 doesn't need caves floating in air because it does the same task much better using 3d noise |
| 19:17 |
hmmmm |
since v7 maintains a height map, this is easy |
| 19:20 |
hmmmm |
v6 guessed the ground level is at the maximum height of terrain generated, which clearly doesn't work like it's intended, especially after chunks were introduced |
| 19:20 |
proller |
prepare it for merge? or forgot? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/645 |
| 19:20 |
hmmmm |
would probably be nice if you squashed that... |
| 19:20 |
hmmmm |
also i don't know |
| 19:21 |
hmmmm |
proller, do those really belong in the game? |
| 19:21 |
proller |
try DEV fractal world |
| 19:21 |
hmmmm |
it's just something you're messing around with... |
| 19:21 |
proller |
works now |
| 19:21 |
hmmmm |
indev is different |
| 19:21 |
hmmmm |
indev actually has a purpose, to extend v6 past what it is now |
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celeron55 |
uummmmmmm |
| 19:42 |
celeron55 |
https://github.com/proller/minetest/commit/6d4725fd394cd613469c7372e5318cc0d2c7165d#L5R1 |
| 19:42 |
celeron55 |
licence: GNU GPL |
| 19:43 |
celeron55 |
that's not going to go in |
| 19:43 |
proller |
fucked licenses |
| 19:45 |
RealBadAngel |
proller, have you seen this guys email somwhere? |
| 19:45 |
proller |
hm. we cant include gpl files ? |
| 19:46 |
proller |
where is problem? |
| 19:46 |
celeron55 |
GPL is not compatible with LGPL |
| 19:46 |
celeron55 |
minetest is LGPL |
| 19:46 |
RealBadAngel |
i can contact this guy, hes polish |
| 19:47 |
RealBadAngel |
you want me to do so? |
| 19:48 |
proller |
yes, try please |
| 19:48 |
proller |
source from http://www.mandelbulber.com/index.php |
| 19:49 |
proller |
Lead Developer = Krzysztof Marczak |
| 19:49 |
proller |
buddhi1980 gmail.com |
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hmmmm |
+#include "mandelbulber/fractal.cpp" |
| 19:52 |
hmmmm |
including an entire .cpp file |
| 19:52 |
hmmmm |
welp |
| 19:52 |
proller |
its templated |
| 19:52 |
proller |
i think no problem here |
| 19:52 |
proller |
but can make via link |
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| 20:08 |
proller |
is any BIG objection about https://github.com/proller/common/commit/18c279771961be49247a65aa5883e236bbaf3d5d ? |
| 20:09 |
proller |
want to commit and later make better |
| 20:09 |
PilzAdam |
"Unrecognized author" |
| 20:10 |
PilzAdam |
what are "miuntains"? |
| 20:10 |
proller |
mispell |
| 20:10 |
proller |
fixing.. |
| 20:10 |
PilzAdam |
and I dont think that the liquids should be placed as ores |
| 20:11 |
hmmmm |
hmm |
| 20:11 |
hmmmm |
proller, yes |
| 20:11 |
hmmmm |
that should probably wait until the after-map-created callback is implemented |
| 20:12 |
ds-2k |
hmmmm, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/shader.cpp#L7 has a GPL license header |
| 20:12 |
hmmmm |
then you could provide your own mapgen.lua for your own mapgen |
| 20:12 |
proller |
maybe commit now, and remove when ready other ways? |
| 20:13 |
hmmmm |
ah that's a mistake, but the two authors are right here, and they can decide to change the license... |
| 20:13 |
ds-2k |
yes I thought it was because kahrl's code was before the relicense |
| 20:13 |
hmmmm |
proller, people might not like the whole spring idea |
| 20:13 |
celeron55 |
ds-2k: that's a mistake, it was merged after the relicensing and kahrl has agreed to it |
| 20:13 |
proller |
ok |
| 20:14 |
celeron55 |
should be updated though |
| 20:14 |
proller |
without spring? |
| 20:14 |
hmmmm |
I guess |
| 20:14 |
proller |
only absheight? |
| 20:14 |
hmmmm |
no wait |
| 20:14 |
hmmmm |
*for now*, register the springs if minetest.get_setting("mg_name") == "indev" |
| 20:14 |
celeron55 |
(anyone feel free to commit/make a pull request of a fix to that) |
| 20:15 |
hmmmm |
and it'll be fixed later |
| 20:15 |
hmmmm |
when the code i'm talking about gets done |
| 20:15 |
proller |
ok |
| 20:15 |
hmmmm |
i mean it's wrong, but it works well enough |
| 20:15 |
hmmmm |
by the way, proller, did i tell you about the after_environment_create callback? |
| 20:16 |
proller |
no |
| 20:16 |
hmmmm |
it's a function that will get called after the ServerEnvironment is created and fully initialized |
| 20:16 |
hmmmm |
and it'll be passed some information along with the mapgen parameters |
| 20:16 |
hmmmm |
and from there, it can be decided which mapgen.lua to use |
| 20:17 |
hmmmm |
but it's not done yet |
| 20:17 |
proller |
ok, punch me when it will be ready |
| 20:22 |
hmmmm |
uh oh |
| 20:22 |
hmmmm |
i just realized your addition of defineCave() screws up generation |
| 20:23 |
hmmmm |
notice how you pass a PseudoRandom, not a pointer or reference to one. you make a copy of it, you get different pseudorandom results |
| 20:24 |
hmmmm |
don't bother fixing it though, i'm changing a lot of that code. |
| 20:24 |
hmmmm |
just wanted to let you know |
| 20:25 |
hmmmm |
ahhhh.... no wonder why the seed i used for testing looked a little different than it used to |
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Taoki |
PilzAdam: Any news on that bobbing? |
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| 20:35 |
proller |
wtf! http://paste.org.ru/?nlx16x |
| 20:36 |
proller |
i try to run two servers on 30000 and 30001 port, and i cant start 30000 after 30001 |
| 20:38 |
proller |
its test.cpp |
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sapier |
doesn't it cleanup sockets? |
| 20:39 |
proller |
its use const int port = 30003; |
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proller |
server.Serve(30001); |
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proller |
Address server_address(127,0,0,1, 30001); |
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sapier |
oh so as soon as this port is used by another process the test fails |
| 20:40 |
proller |
yes |
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proller |
and you gets randomly crashed on start server when 30000 active |
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sapier |
so test should use specified port for testing too |
| 20:42 |
proller |
test must use or port from config, or random 50000+ ports |
| 20:43 |
proller |
or now its possible to run 2+ servers but all of must not use 30000,1,3 |
| 20:43 |
celeron55 |
just don't run the unit tests |
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Exio |
i wonder why are the unit-tests enabled by default :P |
| 20:44 |
celeron55 |
they are enabled in debug builds |
| 20:45 |
Exio |
ah |
| 20:45 |
celeron55 |
to force developers to make sure they work |
| 20:45 |
proller |
oh |
| 20:45 |
proller |
ok |
| 20:45 |
celeron55 |
just add --disable-unittests to command line if you run debug builds |
| 20:45 |
celeron55 |
but yes, the test shouldn't use a static port |
| 20:46 |
proller |
its works |
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ds-2k |
celeron55: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/647 (to fix the license header) |
| 20:52 |
proller |
springs only in indev https://github.com/proller/common/commit/6c73573dc3ee155316f7a03e486262a0d81d3cfe - okay? |
| 20:53 |
hmmmm |
looks good |
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PilzAdam |
springs are way too rare |
| 20:54 |
hmmmm |
he tested it, that's probably intentional |
| 20:54 |
proller |
i want make like farscale option to smooth increase |
| 20:54 |
PilzAdam |
and why the sand? |
| 20:55 |
hmmmm |
oh |
| 20:55 |
proller |
i tested spawn on floatlands and 1000 mountain - there is no way to get sand |
| 20:55 |
hmmmm |
ore generation can replace the whole "add blobs of dirt and gravel" stuff |
| 20:55 |
proller |
yes |
| 20:55 |
PilzAdam |
do we want this? |
| 20:55 |
hmmmm |
want what? |
| 20:55 |
hmmmm |
he needs sand for his floatlands |
| 20:56 |
PilzAdam |
oh, thats above y=500 only |
| 20:56 |
hmmmm |
i'm just saying that for mgv7, i don't need to bother adding the "blobs of dirt and gravel" |
| 20:56 |
proller |
when you at 20000 - you cant reach ground |
| 20:56 |
Taoki |
ohh, springs of water for floatlands? Sure thing |
| 20:57 |
proller |
and springs now not flood air |
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proller |
commiting.. |
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BlockMen |
celeron55, umm...when you google "minetest mods" and click result "mods [Old Minetest Dev Wiki]" you get here : http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php?id=mods |
| 21:46 |
BlockMen |
and then the navigation does not work anymore....http://minetest.net/wiki/texturepacks |
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BlockMen |
maybe you can add a redict for minetest.net/wiki to minetest.net? then it should work |
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RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, can you merge this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/155 |
| 23:07 |
PilzAdam |
why dont you push this directly? |
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RealBadAngel |
this is your playground :) |
| 23:08 |
PilzAdam |
done |
| 23:08 |
hmmmm |
pilzadampilzadam |
| 23:08 |
Taoki |
PilzAdam: Mine too mine too :P |
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PilzAdam |
need to sleep |
| 23:09 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 23:09 |
hmmmm |
i need those sand textures updated, the sandstone bricks, dirt with snow, snow |
| 23:09 |
Taoki |
ok, later |
| 23:09 |
hmmmm |
:( |
| 23:09 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: you could go ahead and push those through, imho |
| 23:09 |
RealBadAngel |
too late |
| 23:09 |
VanessaE |
which brick did you settle on, btw? |
| 23:09 |
hmmmm |
the 2x1 |
| 23:09 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 23:09 |
hmmmm |
i plan on using it for desert temples |
| 23:10 |
VanessaE |
maybe I'll make a "carved sandstone" or something in gloopblocks and use the 4x1 there. |
| 23:10 |
hmmmm |
well, okay |
| 23:11 |
VanessaE |
unless you have plans for it |
| 23:21 |
Exio |
hmmmm: can you check Taoki's fall-stuff? |
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| 23:23 |
Taoki |
hmmmm: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/609 If you want to |
| 23:26 |
VanessaE |
Taoki: squash your commits |
| 23:26 |
Taoki |
VanessaE: Dunno how to do that now. Usually they're squashed at merge time |
| 23:27 |
VanessaE |
Taoki: git rebase -i HEAD~9; then change each "pick" to "squash" except the first entry. save, then use the next editor that comes up to compose your "real" commit message. Save. git push -f |
| 23:27 |
hmmmm |
i'll take care of that |
| 23:28 |
VanessaE |
ok, he will. |
| 23:29 |
Exio |
:D |
| 23:31 |
hmmmm |
ugh you've gotta be kidding me |
| 23:31 |
hmmmm |
they're all out of order |
| 23:32 |
hmmmm |
taoki, could you please rebase your branch against upstream |
| 23:32 |
hmmmm |
first squash them, then rebase with master |
| 23:32 |
Taoki |
hmmmm: I'm not familiar with rebase. I just merge master in. Haven't tried that command tyet |
| 23:32 |
Taoki |
Does github allow this on their site? |
| 23:33 |
hmmmm |
nope |
| 23:33 |
hmmmm |
and actually this is all screwed because you merged the remote branch |
| 23:33 |
hmmmm |
nevermind what i said to do, this is more complicated |
| 23:34 |
Taoki |
Ok. In another project i usually merge master in to keep my branch updated |
| 23:34 |
Taoki |
Can you fix it for now? I should learn rebase a bit later |
| 23:34 |
hmmmm |
i'm trying to think of something |
| 23:34 |
hmmmm |
this is so screwed |
| 23:34 |
hmmmm |
i guess it looks like i have to cherry pick every single one |
| 23:34 |
hmmmm |
..ugh |
| 23:36 |
Taoki |
Sorry :/ |
| 23:36 |
Taoki |
Thought it would be possible to squash them all and merge in. |
| 23:36 |
Taoki |
Actually, no. Since I merged master into it then the changes in other master commits are also recored in my branch. So squashing would no longer work |
| 23:36 |
Taoki |
Right :( |
| 23:37 |
Exio |
i use git pull for that stuff :P |
| 23:37 |
Exio |
(for keeping my "branch" updated) |
| 23:37 |
hmmmm |
that does exactly what taoki did |
| 23:38 |
Exio |
git pull? |
| 23:38 |
Exio |
!= git merge? |
| 23:40 |
hmmmm |
git pull is git fetch + git merge |
| 23:41 |
Exio |
ah |
| 23:46 |
hmmmm |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/7cd5eb4c77de9fda4946de7e1c2384d0c2a0253e |
| 23:59 |
Taoki |
hmmmm: Thanks. Now I can focus on the next things to do on the code :) |
| 23:59 |
* Taoki |
usually waits for codes in order so I can avoid GIT conflicts |
