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IRC log for #minetest, 2017-10-28

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05:18 Gerold55 I'm looking into making an NEI type of mod can someone help me do that?
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08:32 MinetestBot [git] raymoo -> minetest/minetest: Fix default item callbacks to work with nil users (#5819) a5d5728 https://git.io/vFIed (2017-10-28T08:30:50Z)
08:35 MinetestBot [git] lhofhansl -> minetest/minetest: Avoid filtering low-res textures for animated meshes (incl. players) … 610ea6f https://git.io/vFIeb (2017-10-28T08:33:47Z)
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11:35 rubenwardy https://twitter.com/rubenwar​dy/status/924237730158137344
11:36 sfan5 nice
11:37 sy coolio
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11:38 Krock needs more gamers
11:39 sy need more monitors for that
11:39 sy monitors are expensive
11:39 sy also we need high quality gamers
11:39 sy not what we have now
11:39 sy no offense guys
11:40 deltasquared shots fired, but none taken I guess :P
11:40 sy tbh most people at freenodelive are p cool
11:40 Krock I wonder how you can't take that offending
11:40 sy it's only the people who use the server list exclusively that I dislike
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11:40 deltasquared awww man I really wanted to go but it's a little far for me to travel alone
11:40 deltasquared bristol, I mean
11:41 sy o dam is it in the uk now
11:41 deltasquared sy: yeah, and it's a mile away from the end point of a train I catch every day
11:41 deltasquared so it kinda sucks that I couldn't find anyone to accompany me
11:42 deltasquared also what is that booklet I spy in the right hand picture
11:42 deltasquared well both of them actually
11:43 asl97 deltasquared: https://rubenwardy.com/freenode-live/
11:45 deltasquared hmm, I should have a play with CTF at some point
11:49 asl97 sy, (cc: rubenwardy): Shouldn't there be some people who brought their own computer? you could setup a (private) local server, setup a hotspot if there isn't a network, provide a copy of the game if there no internet access, provide a copy of the world at the end of the event.
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12:03 deltasquared asl97: as long as you don't try to name the hotspot to confuse people with the venue wifi (if any)
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12:04 deltasquared IIRC there was something like that at FOSDEM where it was something like "fosdem wifi powered by google" but it was an MitM thing
12:05 deltasquared !mod homedecor
12:05 MinetestBot deltasquared: Home Decor [homedecor_modpack] by VanessaE - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2041
12:05 deltasquared ... oh, it's a modpack.
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12:11 rubenwardy There's WiFi but they blocked the minetest ports
12:11 rubenwardy *they're not open
12:11 sy why
12:11 asl97 rubenwardy: sound like firewall issue
12:12 rubenwardy Yep
12:12 asl97 ether way, you could always just setup a hotspot.
12:12 rubenwardy The it team is in the process of opening
12:12 sy ask them to unblock them
12:12 rubenwardy We have more laptops
12:12 sy an
12:12 sy ah*
12:13 deltasquared rubenwardy: could be worse, at least the IT dep. there aren't on a power trip
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12:14 Fixer nice
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12:27 rubenwardy "so, you're a Minecraft rip off?" - one guy
12:32 Raven262 You need a giant sign saying: "Except for being a procedurally generated voxel game, this thing has nothing to do with Minecraft"
12:38 sy why dont /w 10
12:38 sy fuck
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13:06 rubenwardy https://twitter.com/rubenwar​dy/status/924260974458232832
13:06 rubenwardy Quite strong
13:08 sy hope ur not drinking and mining
13:13 Raven262 Why not, what could possibly go wrong? xD
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13:16 lisac rubenwardy, what mods did you add there? :)
13:17 rubenwardy On the book? Rubenwardy.com/freenode-live
13:18 rubenwardy On the monitor, we were planning to connect to a server but it's blocked so we had to panic install a few
13:18 rubenwardy Currently ethereal and other worlds
13:21 lisac toolranks? :P
13:21 lisac no, but really, toolranks looks cool
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13:28 deltasquared !mod toolranks
13:28 MinetestBot deltasquared: Tool ranks [toolranks] by lisacvuk - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=18056
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13:44 rubenwardy There are too many good mods to showcaee
13:44 rubenwardy We just tried to show ones which are both diverse and visual as possible
13:45 rubenwardy Which is why we chose protector over areas
13:45 deltasquared rubenwardy: are you hoping to attract more devs to the game via your presence there?
13:46 rubenwardy Yes
13:46 rubenwardy We've had a few interested
13:48 deltasquared I'm curious if any minecraft devs would be interested in branching out a bit... was it worldpainter where the guy said he's porting it from minecraft
13:48 deltasquared !mod worldpainter
13:48 MinetestBot deltasquared: Could not find anything.
13:48 deltasquared hmm
13:51 rubenwardy No MC devs as such
13:51 rubenwardy A few players
13:52 rubenwardy Most people haven't played it
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13:52 Raven262 deltasquared, that wasn't a mod IIRC, it was in minetest related projects subforum.
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15:08 Enriko Here you are
15:08 Enriko 170 users, nice
15:08 homthack yes
15:09 Enriko the channel #minetest-de have more users than from another Country channels, but english is more, ist default
15:10 homthack ready
15:11 Enriko The channel: homthack isnt your language
15:11 Enriko The channel #minetest-de isnt your language
15:11 Enriko Thats only for german
15:12 homthack ok
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19:16 salahzar is there anybody knowing deeply lua programming as used by this link: http://uberi.mesecons.net/​projects/Clock/index.html
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19:17 deltasquared I dunno about "deeply", there's not that much to lua once you have the basics of procedural programming, but I can certainly have a look
19:18 salahzar my question is how this if event.type == "program" then   mem.accept = {[0]=true, [2]=true, [3]=true, [5]=true, [6]=true, [7]=true, [8]=true, [9]=true} elseif event.type == "digiline" then   port.a = mem.accept[event.msg.minute]   port.b, port.d = port.a, port.a end can seriously map to setting led segments correctly. I couldn't understand how this can work :(
19:18 salahzar especially seems kind of magic : port.b, port.d = port.a, port.a
19:19 Krock I cam imagine that this code would look much better with indents and proper line breaks in a pastebin
19:19 salahzar what happens is that with input 1 port.a becomes false and the other ports become true and false as opposite :(
19:19 deltasquared salahzar: is that the "top" controller code you're looking at there yeah?
19:19 salahzar yes you can have a look at the page I posted before
19:19 salahzar yep
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19:21 deltasquared salahzar: well bearing in mind that there's one controller program per row, it seems simple enough to me, it's basically determining if that row should be turned on for a given digit
19:21 Digit eehehehehe.   tickles.
19:21 * deltasquared throws a CRT monitor at Digit
19:22 deltasquared HAAAAAAAX!
19:22 deltasquared ahem.
19:22 Digit lol
19:22 deltasquared salahzar: the if event.type == "program" bit is setting up which digits that controller should respond to
19:22 Krock the code for each row has been optimized to make it as small as possible, that's why it looks a bit weird
19:23 Krock deltasquared, rather, it sets up the translation table from minutes to port output
19:24 deltasquared Krock: in the other ones yeah, I hadn't read further down
19:24 deltasquared the top one just switches on/off as a whole.
19:25 deltasquared hmm, I just had a cool idea for a digilines-to-mesecons bus expander a la redpower's bundled cables
19:27 Krock here a even more sophisticated idea: a HDMI to water hose adapter https://www.schnatterente.net/im​g/articles/hama-hdmi-wasser1.jpg
19:28 deltasquared Krock: ... fff I just hit the clear buffer key combo, can you link that again
19:28 Krock http://shop.draemel.de/wp-content/uploads/201​4/03/10155066_679358778786980_688824824_n.jpg
19:29 deltasquared Krock: .... I cannot even comprehend why anyone would create this
19:30 Krock And here's a self-pointing URL in case you cleared the buffer again: http://irc.minetest.net/min​etest/2017-10-28#i_5122327
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19:30 deltasquared I don't want to remember this, my brain segfaults when I see it
19:30 Krock deltasquared, me neither. Obviously works /s
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19:34 salahzar my problem is that I want to show this in a class on how to use mesecons in smart way to people who are just newbies
19:34 salahzar and if I dont' understand how it works I can't try to teach others
19:35 salahzar the url is taken from the "official" page of mesecon usage
19:35 deltasquared I can't help there, I wouldn't attempt to teach unless  I had a solid grasp of the subject matter
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19:35 salahzar while I am not completely proficient in lua, I am a professional programmer in Java/Scala/C
19:36 Krock index starts with 1
19:36 salahzar and the lua lines I wrote appear complete wizardry to me :(
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19:40 salahzar what is for me incredible is that for some values, a is becoming null
19:40 salahzar but b and d are acquiring some surprising values
19:41 deltasquared salahzar: port is an output, it would be nil if you hadn't assigned it I would think (or I at least would not assume it had any value)
19:43 salahzar port.a = mem.accept[event.msg.minute]   port.b, port.d = port.a, port.a
19:44 salahzar when mem.accept cannot get the value and so it is null, port.a becomes false
19:44 salahzar but port.b and port.d becomes one switched on and the other switched off
19:45 salahzar and this is to me something quite weird
19:45 salahzar is this something very peculiar to lua?
19:45 salahzar nothing similar happens in java, scala or c++
19:46 salahzar it is definitely counter intuitive ...
19:47 salahzar I have observed this happening in my minetest world but could not understand the logic
19:48 Krock $ salahzar checkout -b PMs
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19:57 deltasquared salahzar: your reasoning is correct, port b and d should be the same, you sure you've got it pointed the right way?
19:57 deltasquared sometimes it can be daft things
19:59 salahzar my intuition would be that they should be all off when 1 is launched on the digilines channel
19:59 salahzar but what happens is that a goes off, but one of the other two is going on so to display the top line of 1
19:59 salahzar which is what is needed, but I can't understand "why" :(
20:00 deltasquared ... f'argh lost the link again
20:01 deltasquared nvm found it
20:04 Krock deltasquared, again? Why didn't you bookmark the HDMI to water hose image the last time ? :P
20:05 * deltasquared ties up Krock with a hose
20:06 deltasquared phrasing intentional
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