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00:04 Baffy[m] what are major areas of development for minetest?
00:11 VanessaE there's all kinds of stuff, pick something :)
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00:45 redblade7 hi
00:45 redblade7 i was thinking of starting a third server
00:46 redblade7 but i was wondering whether i should wait, as i dont know anything about param2
00:46 redblade7 i know it probably makes my creative server obsolete, as i modified unifiedbricks to have the brick blocks show up in creative mode
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00:47 redblade7 but if i start a third server, non-creative, be worth starting at 0.4.15 or will there be major changes that i should wait?
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00:47 redblade7 (or use -dev)
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00:47 VanessaE use dev.
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00:48 VanessaE unified bricks uses hardware coloring now, so there's nothing to show up in the inventory
00:48 VanessaE (you just place a default brick block, then punch it while wielding dye)
00:49 redblade7 but there are the different types of brick blocks with unifiedbricks
00:49 VanessaE yes
00:49 VanessaE you can craft a few "multicolor" ones, and place-and-punch those
00:49 redblade7 i have every single one in creative inventory (unifiedinventory)
00:49 VanessaE but they already are in the creative inv now I think
00:49 redblade7 no i actually modified your code so all the brick blocks will show up
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00:49 redblade7 creative gardens server
00:50 redblade7 take a look
00:50 VanessaE all?  there are only like 3.
00:50 redblade7 every unifieddyes combination i mean
00:50 redblade7 because some of them are annoying to craft
00:50 redblade7 when it comes to creative servers
00:50 farshmak can anyone help with compiling for raspberry pi / GLES?
00:51 farshmak (good evening)
00:51 VanessaE redblade7: current unifiedbricks only has three or four blocks in total.
00:51 redblade7 i leave coloredwood for crafting with unifieddyes but i have every type of brick block in inventory on that server
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00:51 VanessaE same for current coloredwood - there's only like two blocks in that mod now.
00:51 VanessaE (a lot more if you have moreblocks/stairsplus)
00:52 redblade7 VanessaE: so with the upcoming versions and param2, they will have to build the multicolor, etc?
00:52 redblade7 i removed the need to do that by using your pre-param2 unifiedbricks/dyes and having all of them show up in inventory
00:52 redblade7 including low saturation, etc
00:52 VanessaE users will craft one of the three basic multicolor blocks by using one standard default brick block and three or four portions of a few grey dyes.  place that block, then punch it with a colored dye to color it
00:53 redblade7 otherwise you have to get the bricks and clay and craft them, which for creative mode is pointless
00:53 VanessaE or they can place and punch default bricks
00:53 redblade7 as compared to coloredwood where it's easy
00:53 redblade7 ok
00:53 VanessaE with coloredwood, you just place default:wood or default:fence_wood on the ground and punch it with dye.  there are no crafts anymore.
00:54 redblade7 will the non-colored brick blocks, including multicolored blocks, be available in an uncolorized form in the creative inventory, without me having to hack them all in?
00:54 VanessaE yes.
00:54 redblade7 ok that's good to know
00:54 VanessaE all mods I have push access to, where something was available in more than 2 or so colors, uses hardware coloring now.
00:54 redblade7 i was afraid i would have to keep 0.4.15 forever on my creative server because the different block variations would be missing completely
00:55 redblade7 like i dont have coloredwood in it because all you need are two wood blocks and a dye
00:55 redblade7 does "hardware coloring" refer to gpu acceleration?
00:55 VanessaE there is only one craft:  the neutral-color (white or very light grey) item, i.e. there is one armchair, one padded kitchen chair, one long sofa, one short, one thin glow light, one thick and so on.
00:56 VanessaE you craft it, place it, punch it with the color of dye you want to use.
00:56 VanessaE no, it just means that colorization happens at the hardware level rather than being baked into the texture
00:56 VanessaE also,
00:56 VanessaE all of those mods that do this have LBMs to convert the old static, baked-in color to generic nodes with hardware/param2 coloring.
00:57 VanessaE in practice, you will see no difference between old and new versions, other than minor differences in the final colors.
00:58 redblade7 ok thank you for explaining
00:59 VanessaE no prob
00:59 VanessaE in the future, I will implement some kind of auto-coloring code
00:59 VanessaE i.e. you place and punch one block with dye, then the next block of that type that you place gets the same color (as long as you have that color of dye in your inventory, or creative mode)
00:59 VanessaE something of that nature.
00:59 redblade7 my new sandbox server does not have as much stuff in inventory but it does use homedecor and some of your mods
01:00 redblade7 but i've been sticking to older, 0.4.15 compatible versions
01:00 VanessaE it'll have even less in the inventory after you update :)
01:00 redblade7 i dont like to use development code if i dont have to
01:00 redblade7 last time i did was before 0.4.15's fix of the tree griefing problem
01:00 redblade7 you always have to compile and keep mods up to date
01:01 redblade7 but as for a third server, which would be similar to my new sandbox server but would have protection and use v7
01:01 redblade7 i was wondering if there were any other major changes that would make an upgrade pointless, depending on when 0.4.16 is released
01:03 redblade7 my new sandbox server "the valleys"  uses the hard tofind valleys mapgen and less mods
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01:03 Sires hellow ?
01:04 redblade7 hi
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01:05 Sires how are you
01:05 Sires ?
01:05 Sires :P
01:06 redblade7 good
01:08 redblade7 does anyone know when (like what month or quarter) 0.4.16 would be released?
01:08 Sires nope I'll try to search
01:09 VanessaE redblade7: I think the target is may or june
01:09 Sires hum
01:09 Sires there is a big TODO list :P
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01:10 VanessaE treat the Issue tracker as the "todo" :P
01:11 Sires I really want the colored lights
01:11 Sires do you know something about when or how will the dimensions be ?
01:13 VanessaE dimensons?
01:13 VanessaE dimensions of what?
01:13 Sires yeah
01:14 Sires "like nether"
01:14 Sires in minecraft
01:14 VanessaE I don't understand the questions.
01:14 VanessaE -s
01:14 Sires I read that they would be stacked and would have an y of 4500 and a barrier that you cannot pass dividing them
01:15 VanessaE you read wrong probably
01:15 Sires yeah ?
01:15 VanessaE in Minetest, worlds are always 62x62x62 km, and if there's a nether mod installed, where the nether is placed is dependent on the mod, but it's mostly impossible to prevent the player getting in/out by for example flying down with noclip
01:16 Sires yeah but I saw
01:17 Sires something
01:17 Sires like there would be a feature allowing you to create dimensions
01:17 redblade7 what's the difference between a meter and a block?
01:18 redblade7 i always thought block was a 3d group of visible blocks, but how many blocks are meters
01:18 Sires I think that meter is the size of a block :P
01:18 redblade7 node i think is the word
01:18 redblade7 mintest is 32x32x32 km isnt it?
01:19 Sires no
01:19 Sires its 32km by all the 6 sidez
01:19 Sires sides
01:19 Sires that results in 62*62*62
01:19 Sires like vanessa said
01:21 VanessaE redblade7: in minetest, technically a block is 16x16x16 nodes.  a node is 1 cubic meter.  but some people call a node a block.
01:21 VanessaE Sires: and it's 62km^3, period.
01:21 Sires hey vanessa
01:21 VanessaE centered at 0,0,0
01:21 Sires see that: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4428
01:22 Sires there is where I saw the dimensions thing
01:24 VanessaE 6 directions != 6 sides :)
01:24 Sires hey
01:24 VanessaE what he's talking about is something that's been discussed off and on, though
01:24 Sires I was thinking
01:24 VanessaE realms they're sometimes called I think
01:25 VanessaE but they would simply be stuff generated here, or there, or whereber
01:25 VanessaE wherever*
01:25 VanessaE minetest has no concept that anything from Y here to Y there is some special world with only mod-provided ways in/out
01:26 Sires in a 1d world there is 2 sides, 2d have 4 sides, 3d 6 sides, maybe does the 4d(time) have sides ? maybe its like the past and future are sides of the time
01:26 VanessaE you mean directions, not sides.
01:26 Sires yeah
01:26 VanessaE or ends or vertexes
01:27 VanessaE either way,
01:27 Sires but thats funny :P does the 5th dimension have ends, directions, vertexes or anything that you want to call ?
01:27 VanessaE in 4 spacial dimensions, time doesn't factor in
01:27 VanessaE same for 5, 6, etc.
01:28 Sires sometimes I think that time could be a line of 3d universes that goes foward by something
01:28 Sires just an idea
01:28 VanessaE for every dimension you add, in the normal geometry sense, you just add more directions to go, but it's difficult to visualize more than about 4 (think of a tesseract aka hypercube)
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01:29 VanessaE time is just time.  to think of it as some 4th (or whatever) dimension is too simplistic (and only applies below a black hole's event horizon  anyway)
01:29 Sires and the 5d(probality) is a cube, every line in a timeline, and all the timelines are all the probalities that could happen
01:29 Sires I think like that :P
01:29 VanessaE that's overcomplicating it
01:30 VanessaE don't think of it as "parallel dimensions" like in comics/movies
01:30 Sires :P I'm just a kid, I have no idea about what I'm talking
01:30 VanessaE think of it like a table or array in a program.
01:30 Sires no, I'm talking about: think for a 2d thing
01:30 Sires how would he think about the 3d ?
01:30 Sires then I try that for 4d
01:31 VanessaE read the book "flatland, a study in 2 dimensions"
01:31 VanessaE (I think that's the title)
01:31 VanessaE it's a short story told from the perspective of a 2-dimensional creature living in his 2-dimensional environment, who eventually encounters a 3-dimensional alien (a sphere).
01:32 Sires what, is that a romance ? (I found that when I was searching)
01:32 VanessaE http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~banchoff/Flatland/
01:32 VanessaE that one.,
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01:34 Sires anyway going back to the "minetest" topic, I think that we should make more "industrial-like" mods(like technic, pipeworks, microexpansion)
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01:58 Hijiri I think a tesseract has 8 "sides"
01:58 VanessaE sounds right.  I don't remember offhand
01:59 VanessaE wikipedia agrees
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03:03 GreenDimond Question: When registering an inventory, how does one make an exit button that uses an image for the button? There is "button_exit[0,0;0,0;exit;Exit]" and there is a way to do an image button, but how to do both?
03:04 GreenDimond do I just put some image.png where "Exit" is?
03:05 GreenDimond No, that didnt work.
03:05 GreenDimond Help, anyone?
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03:20 GreenDimond *poke* *poke*
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04:15 XtremeHacker !tell Rubenwardy: I submitted a PR to fix a typo in the Itemstacks chapter in your modding book.
04:15 MinetestBot XtremeHacker: Do not put an : at the end of nickname
04:15 XtremeHacker !tell Rubenwardy I submitted a PR to fix a typo in the Itemstacks chapter in your modding book.
04:15 MinetestBot XtremeHacker: I'll pass that on when Rubenwardy is around
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05:22 Baffy[m] which mod for mods would you sugges
05:23 Baffy[m] mob redo is fine but the open ai one looks interesting
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05:27 OldCoder Baffy[m], 10+1's mobs are the standard here
05:27 OldCoder Many many mobs are based on them
05:27 Baffy[m] its not using the actual open ai project
05:27 OldCoder Hm? go on
05:28 Baffy[m] are there nicer looking animals
05:28 Baffy[m] https://openai.com
05:29 OldCoder nicer than which?
05:29 OldCoder Baffy we have very nice elephants, dolidrosaur, octupus, dragons
05:29 OldCoder Kittens, others are fine
05:29 Baffy[m] i havent seen those lol
05:30 Baffy[m] i'm using ethereal and all the biomes are so big
05:30 OldCoder That is good, isn't it?
05:30 OldCoder Dolidrosaur is very ncie
05:30 OldCoder nice *
05:31 OldCoder Ethereal is also by 10+1, isn't it?
05:31 Baffy[m] not sure
05:31 Baffy[m] i'm pretty new
05:32 Baffy[m] i just started playing minecraft on xbox one with my 6yo nephew like 8 months ago
05:32 Baffy[m] i prefer open source
05:32 Baffy[m] i'm pissed i can
05:33 Baffy[m] 't find this one biome now
05:33 Baffy[m] full of fruits and veggies
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06:24 Nyarg I need make node invisible on mod start. What is way is more simple ?
06:25 Nyarg native node like default_dirt that mapgen generate
06:52 MinetestBot [git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Add disclaimer to client_lua_api.txt (#5391) 84f4565 https://git.io/vyPAE (2017-03-14T06:51:07Z)
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09:33 Nyarg is anyone familiar with blender ? A little question is how do I tune UV without create texture ? Here example where I use only materials, one per side, 6 materials. http://i1.imageban.ru/out/2017/03/14/​105471818e319c73ee62e808c30f9f99.jpg
09:34 Nyarg but only 2 side accept textures right and another 4 weird
09:34 VanessaE what I do in that situation is tell blender to just load a bunch of random images from minetest_game/mods/default
09:35 VanessaE since your mod is what determines what textures will go where in-game, it doesn't matter what you load into blender, as long as the image sizes are comparable.
09:35 VanessaE now since that's a cube, you don't even need blender at all
09:35 Nyarg it is entity )
09:35 VanessaE ah
09:36 VanessaE well once you're in blender, set the camera to ortho mode ('5' on the keypad) then use other keypad keys to align the camera to one side or another
09:37 VanessaE select that side's face, then 'u' to uvmap, "project from view (bounds)"
09:37 VanessaE then do the same for the other sides.  as long as the camera view is aligned to the face, it'll UV-map it nice and square
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09:38 Nyarg thanks I'll try  )
09:38 VanessaE good luck
09:38 * VanessaE heads off to bed
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09:46 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy International Ask a Question Day! 😃 ❓
09:47 Milan[m]1 the question is my secret!
09:52 Milan[m]1 F____________ #PHPBB Bloody hell! Wrote everything for nothing since my session was lost!
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10:16 Calinou Discourse is the new cool thing anyway, but we can't really migrate to any other forum system now
10:17 Milan[m]1 hmm in the case of minetest - maybe nodebb wouldn't also be bad... since the category view of discourse isn't sooo beautiful...
10:19 Milan[m]1 https://github.com/discourse/discour​se/tree/master/script/import_scripts
10:21 Calinou do import scripts convert BBCode to Markdown? :P
10:22 Milan[m]1 @freenode_Calinou:matrix.org: no need to, discourse also understands bbcode
10:23 Milan[m]1 and i have to confess that i never really searched for plugins to improve categoryview...i guess there is actually something neat possible
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10:26 Milan[m]1 hmm okey but i guess at least no colorizing (default)...dunno if there is something possible due plugins or if the converter actually converts to markdown/html, should be testet :3
10:29 Milan[m]1 i mean, it is an official import script, i am sure the discourse devs thinked about this :D
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12:17 Megaf Heya
12:17 riff-IRC Hi
12:17 riff-IRC How are you?
12:18 Megaf Good good, you?
12:18 riff-IRC Awesome
12:18 Megaf my server has been running no stop for longer than the lifetype of a large number of servers :)
12:18 Megaf 103 days
12:18 riff-IRC Ok
12:18 Megaf That's quite cool I think
12:19 riff-IRC My main computer has been running for about 4 days nonstop
12:19 Megaf specially after you had experienced a wave of crashes due to bugs in mods and in the core
12:19 riff-IRC me?
12:19 Megaf me, my server
12:19 ^7heo It's good that you can find comfort in those simple facts.
12:19 riff-IRC oh
12:19 Megaf are you guys new around here?
12:20 ^7heo If you want, I can write a kernel module to report billions of years when you check uptime.
12:20 Megaf !server Megaf
12:20 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms
12:20 riff-IRC I've been idling here for about a month now
12:20 Megaf well, its been way over a month for me without joining here
12:21 Megaf And thanks, but I don't want to fake any result
12:21 Megaf minetest@mt:~$ uptime 09:33:32 up 112 days, 13:39,  3 users,  load average: 1.12, 1.02, 1.08
12:22 Megaf (The server has been partially restarted in this period to apply security updates)
12:22 riff-IRC ?
12:23 ^7heo 13:23:26 up 225 days, 13:53,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
12:23 ^7heo just saying.
12:24 ^7heo And I don't even care ;P
12:27 Megaf eh, congrats, you got an idle PC doing nothing using energy for nothing for 226 days :P
12:27 Calinou my (old) VPS has 86 days of uptime
12:28 Megaf 12:40:20 up 114 days,  9:53,  1 user,  load average: 0.59, 0.59, 0.55 for my CentOS VPS.
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12:28 Megaf 112 days for my Debian Minetest server
12:29 Megaf And my laptop... 12:29  up  1:26, 4 users, load averages: 1.40 1.49 1.61
12:30 Milan[m]1 illuna 13 days - restarted after important updates like kernel ;)
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12:35 ^7heo Megaf: fyi, load average: 0 != idle.
12:35 ^7heo Megaf: it just is a powerful machine.
12:36 ^7heo Megaf: of course, if you run CentOS, you will *need* a powerful machine just to run it. And you'll get averages over 1 for anything, just because the system is running all sorts of shit.
12:36 ^7heo my laptop has 13:36:49 up 1 day, 35 min,  load average: 1.15, 1.23, 1.28
12:37 ^7heo but that's mainly firefox.
12:41 jomatv6 i use "killall firefox" for fan control
12:42 Megaf lol
12:43 Megaf letlet me guess, you either use Archm Gentoo or Slack
12:44 Milan[m]1 rofl
12:44 Milan[m]1 (rofl to fancontrol)
12:46 Megaf Milan[m]1: meh, now a days Chrome is the fan spinner, not firefox
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12:47 Milan[m]1 well i actually went back to firefox since it was umpossible to debug worldgeneration and having chromium running - 8gig ram = nothing
12:47 Megaf I only have 4 GB here, but seriously thinking about upgrading to 16 GB
12:47 Megaf 16 GB unfortunetally is the limit for this laptop, if I could I'd go to 32 GB
12:48 ^7heo Megaf: I'm not a script kiddie.
12:48 ^7heo Megaf: I don't use that crap, and I don't have enough time for Gentoo, by (VERY) far.
12:49 ^7heo "if I could I'd go to 32 GB" < How to ignore problems and throw more money at them instead of solutions.
12:49 Milan[m]1 just get arch, then :3
12:49 ^7heo Milan[m]1: what don't you understand in "won't use that crap"? :D
12:50 Milan[m]1 maybe u need to define 'crap' better
12:50 ^7heo Milan[m]1: if anything, slackware is several orders of magnitude superior to arschlinux, in spite of not having a proper package manager.
12:50 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Fix Postgres compilation (closes #45) 4f7d2a5 https://git.io/vyXzH (2017-03-14T12:48:26Z)
12:50 ^7heo Milan[m]1: crap: randomly breaks and maintained like gulag toilets.
12:51 ^7heo Milan[m]1: that's how I define crap.
12:51 Milan[m]1 slack is on my todo list since i got arsch - i am quite happy with arsch so it might be a while longer on my todo list
12:51 Milan[m]1 oh really...
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12:51 Milan[m]1 i even have arch on a production server without any problems since a long time
12:53 Megaf 10:01 < ^7heo> "if I could I'd go to 32 GB" < How to ignore problems and throw more money at them instead of solutions.
12:53 sfan5 arch constantly and randomly breaking is a meme
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12:54 Megaf for VMs reasons
12:56 ^7heo Megaf: if you run a lot of VMs it's different
12:56 Megaf Yep,
12:56 Megaf That's why I need 32 GB, for VMs
12:56 ^7heo Megaf: altho "modern browsers" have a lot of isolation now.
12:56 Megaf And RAW photo development
12:56 sfan5 you don't need 32 gb for that
12:56 ^7heo I only use that much memory for DAW purposes.
12:56 ^7heo loading soundbanks can be VERY memory jungry.
12:56 ^7heo hungry even.
12:57 Milan[m]1 maybe the deployers of arch break arch randomly...
12:57 ^7heo Milan[m]1: who else?
12:58 ^7heo Milan[m]1: I mean, it would help if they would have the slightliest fucking clue about what they're doing...
12:58 ^7heo Milan[m]1: but yeah no they don't.
12:58 ^7heo Milan[m]1: so...
12:58 ^7heo also, as sfan5 said, it's a meme now; so it gives a rough idea how true it is.
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13:01 Milan[m]1 i meant the people who set up arch on their computer/server.
13:02 ^7heo well, there might be user error as well, that is inevitable.
13:03 ^7heo especially with so many kids trying to "feel like a h4xx0r"
13:03 Milan[m]1 i can only say, my experience says the breaking think isn't true. it's nil.
13:03 ^7heo but it would help if arsch developers knew the difference between bash and sh for example.
13:04 ^7heo Milan[m]1: you should think about your test coverage ;)
13:04 ^7heo Milan[m]1: I'm betting that if you report that, you only cover 1% or less.
13:04 Milan[m]1 lol...
13:04 ^7heo i.e. for example, with ubuntu, you can definitely having it working.
13:04 ^7heo never touch the terminal
13:04 ^7heo and don't update.
13:04 ^7heo it will always work.
13:05 Milan[m]1 well...my server is running stable since a long time, my coputer, my thinkpad, previously my macbook ...
13:05 Milan[m]1 and i update frequently
13:05 ^7heo running Linux on a Mac is really really sad.
13:05 Milan[m]1 +m
13:05 ^7heo but again.
13:05 Milan[m]1 already selled
13:05 ^7heo Test coverage.
13:05 Milan[m]1 got my x201
13:05 ^7heo if you cover the 1% that everyone else covers
13:06 ^7heo you're covered.
13:06 ^7heo (haha)
13:06 Milan[m]1 lol
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13:14 Megaf 10:17 < ^7heo> running Linux on a Mac is really really sad.
13:14 Megaf Negative
13:14 Megaf I have Debian on my MacBook Pro
13:15 Megaf Its beautiful
13:15 Megaf This is the laptop I will be upgrading to 16 GB
13:15 Milan[m]1 hihi...
13:15 ^7heo You really have a twisted view of reality.
13:15 ^7heo Debian is a sacrilege, even more so on a Mac.
13:16 ^7heo Macs are the ONLY way to get a commercially supported general public BSD system
13:16 Megaf it works 99.9% out of the box
13:16 ^7heo and you install a playskool linux on it.
13:16 Megaf you just have to get the broadcom firmware
13:16 Megaf a single command
13:16 Milan[m]1 in fact, my reason to sell my macbook was the poor screen and a bad noise from the mainboard...and the batterylife wasn't that good as well
13:16 ^7heo you know what works 99.9% out of the box?
13:16 ^7heo Vtech "computers"
13:16 ^7heo you can also use that.
13:16 Milan[m]1 it was the first ali macbook non-pro
13:16 Megaf Milan[m]1: my laptop is 7 years old and I still get 4 hours of battery life
13:17 Milan[m]1 *alu, not ali xD
13:17 Milan[m]1 well i get 8-9 with my thinkpad and it is more compact
13:17 ^7heo I only run old lenovo computers.
13:17 Megaf well, when new this mac could go for 12 hours easily
13:17 ^7heo only thinkpads
13:17 ^7heo T or X series.
13:17 ^7heo sometimes P
13:17 Megaf and Thinkpads are a piece of art
13:18 ^7heo agreed.
13:18 Megaf for me old MacBook Pro and Thinkpads are the best laptops money can buy for serious work
13:19 Milan[m]1 the only things i really liked on my macbook were the battery indicator and the airflow
13:19 ^7heo The only thing worth the money with macbooks is the OS.
13:19 ^7heo and the support.
13:19 Megaf with this macbook pro from 2010 I have USB 2.0, Firewire 800, HDMI, VGA, DisplayPort, DVI, Can have bluray, can have 16 GB of RAM, can put two SSDs, replace the wifi card. 5.1 optical audio output and so on
13:19 ^7heo (and both come only with the hardware)
13:19 Megaf and infrared communication too
13:20 ^7heo but very honestly
13:20 ^7heo get a 15000mAh power pack
13:20 ^7heo plug it to a rasberry pi
13:20 ^7heo and you'll get a better computer (w/out screen) than a macbook.
13:20 Megaf lol
13:20 ^7heo if you're running Linux on it, it's gonna be cheaper.
13:20 ^7heo like, MUCH cheaper.
13:20 Megaf I have raspberrie pies and ODroid :)
13:20 Milan[m]1 rofl
13:21 ^7heo you can even buy an HTC Vive with the money left over.
13:21 ^7heo and have a NICE screen then.
13:21 ^7heo :P
13:21 ^7heo I mean ffs
13:21 Milan[m]1 oh right this old x201 here had as well a way better cpu and graphics
13:21 Milan[m]1 WAY better
13:21 ^7heo Rasberry: 40 bucks.
13:21 Milan[m]1 and the age is very close
13:21 Megaf meh, I dont like the new MacBooks either, but the olds, pre Retina display were nice and fully upgradable
13:21 ^7heo Battery pack: 30 bucks
13:21 ^7heo keyboard: 10 to 30 bucks
13:21 ^7heo (depending what you take)
13:22 ^7heo you've got a full computer for like 100 bucks.
13:22 ^7heo PORTABLE and has a LOT of battery life.
13:22 ^7heo if you need a screen, add a small beamer
13:22 ^7heo that's less than 300 bucks now
13:22 ^7heo done.
13:22 Megaf or I can just buy a new battery for my macbook pro and upgrade to 16 GB of RAM...
13:23 ^7heo yeah, same price, sure.
13:23 Megaf and then I will have 12 hours
13:23 ^7heo man I'm talking about a 100 bucks computer
13:23 ^7heo with a much longer battery life than 12h
13:23 ^7heo and about as much compute power as the entry-level mac.
13:23 Megaf mah, what you saying doesnt make sense
13:24 ^7heo not to someone who's installing a broken OS on a 2k bucks piece of hardware, sure.
13:24 Megaf think about using that frankstein on a train or a plane
13:24 ^7heo well, yeah, it's smaller than a mac, so...
13:25 Megaf What OS do you use?
13:25 ^7heo Currently, alpine.
13:25 Megaf And why are you attacking me?
13:25 ^7heo attacking?
13:25 ^7heo I don' even know who you are...
13:25 Megaf I happy with a laptop that has served me well for over 6 years, battery still holds more than 4 hours, that's more than a lot of new computers
13:25 Megaf what's wrong with such machine?
13:26 Megaf It's fully upgradable, appart from the CPU.
13:26 ^7heo for a mac, it's a rare feat.
13:26 Megaf common feat until the MacBook Pro with Retina display.
13:26 ^7heo given that it's all soldered in now.
13:27 ^7heo do you also have more than one port on the laptop?
13:27 Megaf as it is in all current ultra portable laptops
13:27 ^7heo nah not all.
13:28 Megaf scroll up and read what I wrote, see all the ports I have
13:28 Megaf oh, and a card reader that can read lots of different types of cards
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13:32 * Megaf will try Alpine Linux
13:33 Megaf I always had curiosity about it, since it's introduction
13:33 Megaf one of my favourite Linux distros of all time is SliTaz. Other that I like a lot is Damn Small Linux
13:35 Milan[m]1 i only know it from docker so far... wasn't it something debian based?
13:36 Milan[m]1 (alpine)
13:38 ^7heo no.
13:39 Megaf lol, they say on the website that Alpine Linux is small, doesnt take lots of space, of course not, it doesnt have anything built in
13:39 * Milan[m]1 is now reading the /about page
13:41 Megaf ok, Alpine is for whom like to suffer and spend hours configuring the system
13:41 Megaf is very Arch like
13:41 Megaf I will stick to Debian, just as fast and it just works
13:41 Megaf (out of the box)
13:41 Milan[m]1 lol... do you even have experience with arch? -.-
13:42 Megaf yep, even before it was cool
13:43 Megaf version 0.87
13:43 Megaf and slackware, and Gentoo and all that shit
13:43 Megaf I used Arch for years
13:43 Milan[m]1 maybe u should consider updating ur experience
13:43 Megaf I did, tried it again last year
13:43 Megaf all that was good about Arch is that
13:43 Megaf it was great back then now is dead
13:44 Megaf is no faster than Debian
13:44 An0n3m0us MATE is fast
13:44 Megaf MATE is a desktop environmnet
13:44 Milan[m]1 so u spent hours configuring and an update broke anything?
13:44 Milan[m]1 pffff
13:44 Milan[m]1 i3wm/awesome/cinnamon for me
13:44 Megaf no man, I didnt say that
13:44 Megaf never broke anything
13:45 Milan[m]1 ew
13:45 Megaf Im saying that Arch was great and its kernel optimizations made sense back then
13:45 Milan[m]1 i confused ur username, sry
13:46 Milan[m]1 no i didnt
13:46 Megaf Alpine is fast yes, but, not much faster than Debian. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a​rticle&amp;item=15-way-linux&amp;num=3
13:46 ^7heo Milan[m]1: well, yes. You can spend hours configuring and have an update break everything. All it takes is a retarded dev that does not understand what a bashism is.
13:46 Milan[m]1 > ok, Alpine is for whom like to suffer and spend hours configuring the system
13:46 Milan[m]1 > is very Arch like
13:47 Megaf exactelly
13:47 Megaf very similar
13:47 Megaf and if you want an optmized kernel, just get Liquorix Kernel
13:47 Milan[m]1 so u deployed the whole AUR, ^7heo ?
13:47 ^7heo just fyi, package scripts are written in shell, and using the wrong syntax for the shell is a potential installation-wrecking problem.
13:47 ^7heo Milan[m]1: u w0t m8?
13:48 Milan[m]1 dunno those shorts
13:49 ^7heo same here. I never saw those shorts before, they're not mine.
13:49 Milan[m]1 ur odd guy...
13:50 ^7heo Indeniably.
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14:55 Milan[m]1 \o/
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19:12 MinetestBot [git] Fixer-007 -> minetest/minetest_game: TNT: Clarify new TNT receipe da69fcd https://git.io/vy1w8 (2017-03-14T19:05:49Z)
19:12 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Textures: New textures for silver sandstone nodes 37c81f7 https://git.io/vy1w4 (2017-03-14T19:05:14Z)
19:12 MinetestBot [git] sofar -> minetest/minetest_game: TNT: start fire nodetimers for created fire nodes. 7b90044 https://git.io/vy1wR (2017-03-14T19:03:34Z)
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20:15 xerox123 !mods
20:15 xerox123 !mod car
20:15 MinetestBot xerox123: Boost cart [boost_cart] by Krock - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10172
20:15 xerox123 !mod cars
20:15 MinetestBot xerox123: Car extension for StreetsMod (ALPHA)[cars] by webdesigner97 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7459
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21:15 Baffy[m] is there a way to set the spawn point in world.mt
21:16 Milan[m]1 maybe just change the syntax from the entry in minetest.conf
21:16 Milan[m]1 dunno if uppercase is requiered
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22:10 Baffy[m] i mean i want different spawn points for different worlds
22:11 VanessaE each world can have its own minetest.conf if you want, just pass the appropriate command line switch
22:11 VanessaE or you can write a mod to do so, pretty easily
22:11 VanessaE (it could store its spawnpoint in a file in the world dir)
22:16 Milan[m]1 oh @freenode_VanessaE:matrix.org !
22:16 Milan[m]1 moretrees leafdecay is broken!
22:17 Taose Could have just written VanessaE, does the same thing.
22:17 Milan[m]1 i was attepting to fix this and file a mergerequest but i am sooo busy -.-
22:17 VanessaE broken in what way, Milan?
22:18 Milan[m]1 the latest minetest_game seems to be incompatible - i have already a guess about missing is_leaf group or something
22:18 VanessaE oh probably that timer-based leaf decay thing
22:18 VanessaE feh.
22:19 Milan[m]1 oh? the timer was implemented?
22:19 VanessaE just need to write a small ABM to stick at the end of one of moretrees' files, to cover it
22:19 VanessaE I guess so, I don't know for sure.
22:21 Milan[m]1 y i guess it is searching foe is_leaf https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/b​lob/master/mods/default/functions.lua#L339
22:21 Milan[m]1 *for
22:22 VanessaE that's timer-based.  moretrees leaves still use the ABM method
22:22 VanessaE which I guess isn't being run by mt_game anymore
22:22 Milan[m]1 everything for the performance \o/
22:23 VanessaE file an issue against moretrees.  I'll fix it when I can.
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22:23 Milan[m]1 okey...
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22:28 octacian Baffy[m]: you want different spawn points per world?
22:29 octacian I just wrote a mod for that
22:29 Baffy[m] yeah
22:29 Baffy[m] oh cool
22:29 octacian Baffy[m]: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=16923
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22:35 Baffy[m] 2017-03-14 18:34:18: ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run scrip[0/1974]home/minetest/.min​etest/mods/spawnpoint/init.lua:
22:35 Baffy[m] 2017-03-14 18:34:18: ERROR[Main]: /home/minetest/.minetest/mods/spawnpoint/init.
22:35 Baffy[m] lua:32: attempt to index a nil value
22:35 Baffy[m] it crashed
22:35 Baffy[m] should i post an issue
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23:08 Milan[m]1 the moment when u realize that u forgot the fixed in the node_box the whole time....
23:09 Milan[m]1 ...and in the selection box ... hrmpf -.-
23:17 Baffy[m] octacian: i posted an issue on the github
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23:22 Baffy[m] is there a way to remove objects created by a removed mod?
23:22 Baffy[m] /clearobjects didn't work
23:23 Baffy[m] i removed moretrees because its incompatible with ethereal
23:24 Milan[m]1 so u wanna remove nodes
23:24 Milan[m]1 not objects
23:25 Milan[m]1 u could add an alias to air but i guess this are too many nodes...in case ur map is not "that" huge already, there is a worldedit addon ... and i guess someone wrote an abm for this to automaticly delete when unknown
23:25 Milan[m]1 but don't ask me for the name of each...
23:35 swift110 hey  all
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