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00:52 Bekfast_La_Twin HOI I FIGURED OUT IRC
00:52 Bekfast_La_Twin Vault? You here?
00:52 Vault yes
00:53 Bekfast_La_Twin Lol how do u pm?
00:54 Megaf Bekfast_La_Twin: /query Nick
00:54 Bekfast_La_Twin Lmao Vault! XDDDD
00:54 Vault_Le_Twin use #VaultBoy
00:54 Bekfast_La_Twin Okay ;)
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00:54 Megaf :)
00:56 Vault_Le_Twin funny
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01:39 Resurgence Hi guys its me bakfast
01:39 Vault_Le_Twin oh
01:39 Vault_Le_Twin geeze XD
01:39 Vault_Le_Twin I was going to say after I saw your IP
01:39 Resurgence XD hi vault
01:40 Vault_Le_Twin XD hi
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01:41 sea` Does anyone wanna help me harvest my tomatoes?
01:41 Resurgence XD ARE WE EVER GOING TO Stop SAYING XD
01:41 Vault_Le_Twin no Resurgence
01:41 Resurgence FOR NO REASON
01:42 Vault_Le_Twin NEVER
01:42 Vault_Le_Twin btw this is the Minetest geek channel anyways
01:42 Resurgence Yeah I know
01:43 Resurgence Ara
01:43 Vault_Le_Twin wrong channel kid
01:44 Resurgence What channel should I join then
01:44 Vault_Le_Twin you need to join the daconcepts network
01:44 Resurgence How
01:45 Vault_Le_Twin facepalm
01:45 Vault_Le_Twin look it up
01:45 Resurgence ?
01:47 Resurgence Its not working
01:48 Vault_Le_Twin well duh you have to go to the network
01:48 Vault_Le_Twin your on freenode network
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01:52 thepiercingarrow hey
01:52 thepiercingarrow bak
01:52 thepiercingarrow and Vault_Le_Twin
01:52 thepiercingarrow ti mean vault
01:53 Vault_Le_Twin Resurgence, is Bak
01:53 Resurgence Yep yep
01:53 thepiercingarrow what?
01:53 thepiercingarrow i mean bakfast
01:53 thepiercingarrow vault, you there?
01:53 Vault_Le_Twin yes
01:53 Vault_Le_Twin Im Vault
01:53 thepiercingarrow you are vault?
01:53 thepiercingarrow Resurgence: you are bakfast?
01:53 Vault_Le_Twin resurge is Bakfast
01:54 Resurgence Yeah I am bakfast arrow
01:55 Resurgence Arrow?
01:56 Vault_Le_Twin thepiercingarrow,
01:56 Bakfast Hello arrow you there?
01:56 thepiercingarrow yes Bakfast
01:56 thepiercingarrow hi
01:56 thepiercingarrow wazzup?
01:57 Bakfast Dude why are you talking to at sexual
01:57 thepiercingarrow what?
01:57 Bakfast *ara not at
01:57 thepiercingarrow what?
01:57 Bakfast I know how you have been talking to her
01:57 thepiercingarrow yep
01:58 thepiercingarrow what bout it
01:58 Bakfast And why are you talking to her like that
01:59 Vault_Le_Twin <Bekfast_La_Twin> Lmao idfk his name is sea and he's "the God of irc and I have displeased him"
01:59 Bakfast I wish there was some kind of spectating mode to this app
01:59 thepiercingarrow Bakfast: you'll have to be more specific
01:59 Vault_Le_Twin no but theres a VaultBoy :P
02:00 Bekfast_La_Twin Lmao found you ! I was mentioned lol
02:00 Bakfast You are being sexual to her
02:00 Vault_Le_Twin XD
02:00 thepiercingarrow Bakfast: no.. im not
02:00 thepiercingarrow im seriously
02:00 thepiercingarrow not
02:00 Bakfast Bek
02:00 Bekfast_La_Twin HOLD ON TYPING SLOW AF
02:00 Bakfast DID YOU LIE TO ME
02:01 Bakfast ?!?!?!!?!!?!?!
02:01 thepiercingarrow me?
02:01 Bekfast_La_Twin You said some shit about Ara liking it down deep -_-
02:01 thepiercingarrow chances are bek didnt lie
02:01 Vault_Le_Twin /join #VaultBoy
02:01 Bakfast No but k
02:01 Bekfast_La_Twin (ara)
02:01 Bakfast *bek
02:01 Vault_Le_Twin keep this out of mainchat
02:01 Bekfast_La_Twin Lol oops :P
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02:01 Vault_Le_Twin you too bak
02:02 Bakfast How do I make it private
02:02 Vault_Le_Twin /join #VaultBoy
02:02 thepiercingarrow Bakfast: do /join #VaultBoy
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02:03 Bakfast Did I join
02:03 Vault_Le_Twin yes
02:03 Bakfast Ok
02:05 Bakfast Arrow WTF you saying that for
02:05 Vault_Le_Twin wrong channel Bakfast
02:05 Bakfast ?
02:06 Vault_Le_Twin your talking in minetest talk in VaultBoy
02:06 Bakfast ?
02:06 Vault_Le_Twin oh ferdunt
02:06 Bakfast How I thought I was in
02:06 Vault_Le_Twin you are
02:06 Vault_Le_Twin but your speaking in the wrong channel
02:15 thepiercingarrow bye
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02:24 AntumDeluge Continuing my questions on my custom node from #minetest-dev.....
02:24 AntumDeluge So the naming looks okay to me. I've got the files "glass_green.png" & "glass_green_detail.png" in the subfolder "textures": https://postimg.org/image/4c62i61b1/
02:25 AntumDeluge I thought at first the problem might be because the images were using RGB, so I changed them to indexed color. But that didn't fix anything.
02:26 Vault_Le_Twin change the names completely?
02:26 Vault_Le_Twin im sorry im useless if it was minecraft, this would be a snap because it's all ID based
02:27 AntumDeluge I've got an idea that I am going to try....
02:27 AntumDeluge going to use images from "default" mod to see if they work for it.
02:27 Vault_Le_Twin ive done 4 years of minecrap so im doing Minetest
02:29 Vault_Le_Twin look if you ever need minecraft help come bug me otherwise Minetest erm ill be kinda useless
02:29 AntumDeluge Nope, the textures from "default" don't work either.
02:30 AntumDeluge I've only ever played Minecraft once. I don't plan on playing it anymore.
02:31 Vault_Le_Twin the PC edition is actually very interesting after modding it
02:32 Vault_Le_Twin if your smart enough there are many break points for it
02:32 AntumDeluge So, to show what I had posted in #minetest-dev this is the code: http://pastebin.com/69xJs16P
02:33 AntumDeluge And this is what it looks like when I play: https://postimg.org/image/drhchmty5/
02:33 AntumDeluge There is no image in the inventory & in hand it's just a gray/white rectangle.
02:33 AntumDeluge It can't be placed either, like I intended.
02:36 AntumDeluge In the first image that I posted, I had registered a second node called "glass:test". That one works, all except the texture. It has the "unknown item" texture.
02:36 Vault_Le_Twin this is a mod correct?]
02:37 Vault_Le_Twin nvm im shutting up
02:41 AntumDeluge Yes, it is a mod.
02:42 Vault_Le_Twin so why not try to base it off of other mods?
02:49 AntumDeluge What do you mean? All it is is a node. I just copied the code from "default:glass" & changed to textures to make them green.
02:50 AntumDeluge I'm not getting any error output from it either.
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03:09 shivajiva nm0i do you run light creative server?
03:21 nm0i Oh please stop
03:21 nm0i I'm in good mood
03:21 nm0i I drew cool rose earlier
03:21 nm0i Don't ruin it
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04:19 Chinchou Holy crap.
04:20 Chinchou I think I may have lost my motivation to keep up on logs in large channels.  Not because the log is large, but because /what the hell was that/.
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04:46 * Chinchou facepalms
04:46 thepiercingarrow hey
04:46 thepiercingarrow hey Vault_Le_Twin
04:48 Chinchou Segfaults are such nasty business.
04:48 * Chinchou prods the server
04:48 Chinchou Arise
04:49 thepiercingarrow prood
04:49 thepiercingarrow ahh
04:49 thepiercingarrow *wakes up*
04:52 Chinchou Maybe I should make a debug build in case that happens again.
04:52 Chinchou Rebuilding the server is competing with making lunch for the greater part of my laziness right now.
04:53 thepiercingarrow what?
04:53 thepiercingarrow what happened?
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05:21 thepiercingarrow hey namach
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06:08 Calinou Chinchou: here I use Quassel, logs are stored 24/7 on my VPS in a PostgreSQL database
06:08 Calinou problem is, I'm in like over 60 channels… so it gets huge quickly
06:08 Calinou (it got to 2.1 million lines once, slowing down the server to a crawl)
06:08 Calinou so I purge it on a regular basis
06:09 Chinchou Calinou, the problem is not the size of the log but the... frankly, the idiocy that took place in the /wrong/ place.
06:09 Chinchou It was mostly a light-hearted comment on it.
06:09 * Chinchou shrugs
06:09 Chinchou That's a ludicrous log, though.
06:10 Chinchou (My flatmate would make a joke about "huge logs" if they were awake.)
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06:11 Chinchou I just rotate my log files every month or so and shove them in XZ-compressed tarballs.
06:15 Calinou I'm lazy so I regualarly SSH in, and do "DELETE FROM backlog;" then "VACUUM full;" :P
06:15 Calinou need to script it
06:15 Chinchou Pfthehe
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08:21 nosrick Morning folks
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08:31 segfault22 Hello everyone
08:31 segfault22 I'm still having problems with that system I am trying to set-up for a server...
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08:32 segfault22 I confirmed that the PCI SATA RAID card works, by putting it in the system I'm using right now and hooking up the disks in their external mounting cage-on-a-board-with-extra-PSU
08:32 Chinchou segfault22, have you considered a new name?  Perhaps your server is getting mixed signals from you.
08:33 segfault22 xD
08:33 Chinchou =w=;
08:33 segfault22 perhaps
08:34 Chinchou I don't recall your setup very well.
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08:35 Chinchou Oh sh- Monday!
08:35 * Chinchou scampers off
08:36 shamoanjac hay nosrick
08:36 nosrick shamoanjac, my mod keeps crashing the server somehow. I can't replicate any of the crashes!
08:37 shamoanjac strange
08:37 shamoanjac did you get the logs
08:38 segfault22 my server system is a dell dimension C521 with a replacement/hot-wired CPU fan, modified case to let the SATA cables from the RAID card clear the flange on the right side of the lid, replaced RAM capacitors, and a partially failing onboard graphics processor. And 7GB of RAM even though it's only designed for 4GB
08:39 shamoanjac Hi Nuclear
08:39 shamoanjac wait no not Nuclear lel
08:40 segfault22 I prefer to keep the OS on a separate disk, and the mainboard only has 2 SATA ports on it (there's spots and traces for 2 more but they are unpopulated... maybe I should mod it?) so I can't put the raid array on the mainboard ports and use software-RAID to control it - I have to use the card
08:40 segfault22 The card is supposed to display a dialog at startup that says "press F4 or Ctrl+S to enter RAID utility" or something like that, but instead it lets the BIOS do it's thing and then displays a flashing underscore cursor for a few seconds, then goes blank (display is outputting data, but it's black-screen)
08:42 segfault22 it used to let me get into the boot-options menu and boot a disc or flashdrive half of the time, but now it does the blank screen every time the card is installed. The card is mainly intended for PCI-E, but it is supposedly backwards-compatible with the "old" PCI standard implemented in the C521. Perhaps it's incompatible...
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08:43 segfault22 ALso it used to have a dual phone-jack adapter card in the PCI slot, so it probably isn't a physical issue on or right near the slot itself
08:44 Chinchou Glurp.  Yeah, that sounds like an incompatibility...  Well, Dells often refuse to boot with certain hardware even when there's full compatibility otherwise...
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08:44 * Chinchou has flashbacks to dealing with a friend's Dell machine
08:45 Chinchou Sorry, I had to go upload the week's comic.
08:45 segfault22 it's okay
08:46 nosrick shamoanjac, no logs yet. Just reports from players.
08:46 segfault22 Well then I guess either the system is no good for this application, and I will have to build a different computer in the future when I can afford it (difficulty: 3) - or I will have to mod the motherboard and add 2 more SATA ports (difficulty: OVER 9000)
08:47 Chinchou Hmm...
08:47 Chinchou How many disks are in your array?
08:48 Chinchou I'm wondering if you can use one of those PATA-to-SATA adaptor boards that plug straight into the IDE ports.
08:49 Chinchou If you only have two disks in your array, it'd work - and then you could use software RAID(well, you'd probably be forced to use software RAID).
08:49 segfault22 It doesn't have an IDE port, but if there's such thing as a floppy-to-SATA then that may be an option
08:49 Chinchou Those cards are tiny and- oh, shit, no IDE ports?
08:51 segfault22 I do only have two disks in the array, and two sata ports on the board. I could just plug the sata cables into the ports on the board and configure software RAID, but I would need to make a custom live DVD OS with all of the programs I need (basic ububtu server, vim, something else, and minetest), which I have tried and it's a bit too complicated for me right now
08:51 Chinchou Hrm...  I have a PCI SATA RAID card with a VIA chip on it...  6721 or something like that?  I haven't used it in a long time.  I'm given to understand that that specific controller has a high "actually works with <x> system" rate.
08:52 Chinchou If you have a dock or enclosure, you could just put your OS disk in that and boot through USB.
08:53 Chinchou The specific card I have has two SATA ports and one IDE port on it, and they're cheap as a toilet clogged by a flatmate that doesn't know about plungers.
08:55 segfault22 I don't have an external USB hard drive enclosure/dock, maybe I should have got one of those instead of that SATA RAID card back when I was buying parts for my newer computer
08:56 Chinchou Aye, I love my drive docks.  I wish I could find an IDE dock.
08:56 segfault22 have you ever added ports to a motherboard?
08:56 Chinchou Well, if that's not an option either, hmm...
08:56 Chinchou Nope.
08:57 Chinchou The most I've done like that is splicing a 3.5mm audio jack into a game console's AV cable.
09:01 segfault22 Oh, I meant to say the SATA RAID card had a full-height bracket on it, but the picture on the box has one with a full-height bracket and one with a low-profile bracket - the same board will fit in either type of system, it just needs the right bracket - so I fabricated a low-profile bracket from sheet metal and attached the card to it (then found that the tab on the top of the custom bracket was backwards, so I clipped it off and glued the bracket t
09:01 segfault22 o an empty-slot-cover so it would fit)
09:01 segfault22 Maybe there is some subtle difference on the card with the low-profile bracket, that is not really visible, which makes the full-height version incompatible with low-profile systems,...
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09:04 Chinchou Unless the card can't physically fit in the case, I'm pretty sure that the bracket size won't have any effect here.
09:04 Chinchou (Even then, you'd have the case open to fit the card)
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09:06 shamoanjac in he @test@ server, where are trees and wildlife?
09:06 shamoanjac I've just walked 2000 blocks south and so far everything is just an immaculate stone desert
09:07 segfault22 The low-profile version has a card the same size as on the high-profile version, so it does fit, but just barely (I hat to cut a chunk out of the right side flange on the lid, but only to clear the sata cables in the ports - would be unnecessary if I had the right 90-degree sata cables
09:09 Chinchou segfault22, what I was trying to say(and failing) is that there should be nothing that would render the larger version "incompatible" with a specific system when the smaller one functions - unless, of course, they use different controllers...
09:09 Chinchou In any case, the bracket thing is just case size.
09:09 Chinchou I'm bad at summarising.  <- Only thing I can successfully summarise.
09:10 segfault22 It is advertised as the same controller "chipset", so if it is different than the low-profile version, the difference is in the firmware/software
09:10 Chinchou Aye.
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09:11 Chinchou I doubt that the two versions differ in any way aside from the layout of the components and traces on the board(if the board is differently-sized in the first place).
09:12 JamesTait Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Be An Angel Day! 😃 👼
09:13 segfault22 good morning
09:13 segfault22 The board is the same size, so the only physical difference is the brackets
09:15 Chinchou In that case, I highly doubt that the bracket is causing problems.
09:15 segfault22 of course, lol
09:15 Chinchou It seems like a BIOS thing, at first.  Have you gone through the entire config and double-checked /every/ setting?
09:16 Chinchou (It sounded like you thought that the bracket was causing problems, hence my confusion.)
09:17 segfault22 Yes, I checked the BIOS settings, and it detects the card as "mass storage" (that's all it says about it) - but if I change any settings and save them, the BIOS doesn't load all the way and gets stuck with the diagnostic lights saying "possible graphics failure" (2,3,4)
09:18 segfault22 There is some problem with the onboard graphics chip that "comes out" when its setting gets configured, so unless I buy a graphics card I can't change the settings directly
09:19 segfault22 If it is the BIOS, it looks like they tried to add support for this type of device but just half-assed it so they could get it into production quicker... maybe I could remove the card, update the bios (if there's even an update available) and then try again
09:20 Chinchou Ouch.
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09:23 Chinchou A BIOS update is as likely to make things worse as to make them better, sadly.  Is there a graphics card you can plug in temporarily?
09:23 shamoanjac 4200 blocks south of the spawn
09:23 shamoanjac still only rock
09:23 segfault22 I don't have one,... sorry
09:25 segfault22 I see some smart people (mostly russians, by the text next to the images at google) have figured out how to solder extra sata ports onto some different motherboards, some people just soldered cut-off sata cable wires directly onto the spot/spots on the board (mostly XBOXes converted to laptops, though)
09:26 Chinchou Huh, soldering a cable straight to the board...
09:27 Chinchou Durp.  Well, I'm out of ideas.  If you have a steady enough hand, that might work.
09:27 segfault22 but I don't know if the SATA controller on my board even supports the extra un-installed ports, even though there are traces for it - last time I checked it only says there are two sata ports, but I haven't disconnected the CD/DVD drive and checked to see if it says there's only one (that would probably mean it's just ignoring the unconnected devices)
09:28 Chinchou My mainboard lists all ports, and shows disconnected ones as disconnected, but that doesn't mean much.
09:28 segfault22 I replaced the RAM capacitors when some of them went bad, so I might be able to do this, but it would be very difficult and my soldering iron is a bit too big (I had to file the end down to make it small enough to work on other stuff)
09:30 shamoanjac !server tes
09:30 shamoanjac !server test
09:30 MinetestBot shamoanjac: MinetestForFun SKYBLOCK | 158.69.114.146:30054 | Clients: 35/50, 18/35 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetestforfun_skyblock | Ping: 86ms
09:30 Chinchou Well...  My idea would be to grab a VIA controller card, if that's not what you're using already, but if the BIOS doesn't like RAID controller cards, then it'd be a bit of a waste.
09:31 Chinchou You're on an extremely limited budget for this, yes?
09:31 segfault22 It isn't a VIA card that I'm using now (this one is by IOCrest with a SiliconImage chip), but that may work because that brand is reported to be generally more compatible
09:31 segfault22 yes, I don't have much at all for buying components... maybe $5
09:31 Chinchou Oh, it was a 6421.
09:31 shamoanjac 5000 blocks south of spawn... still rock
09:32 Chinchou Ach, even a card with a VIA 6421 would probably be more- wait, USD?
09:32 Chinchou Those are 10-12 USD in the places I've seen them.
09:32 Chinchou s/are/were
09:33 segfault22 yes, usd, sadly
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09:34 Chinchou So you have three disks, two in the array and one with the OS...  All are SATA, but you only have two SATA ports and no IDE ports.  No drive dock and the system isn't booting with the controller card... yes?
09:35 segfault22 yes
09:36 Chinchou Damn.  Ah, that's right, you get a black screen when trying to boot with the controller card installed.
09:36 segfault22 right
09:36 Chinchou How far does the boot get?
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09:39 shamoanjac prrmypx,
09:39 segfault22 it gets past diagnostics, tells me the usual "diskette drive 0 seek failure" (floppy) and "cpu 0 fan failure", "press f1 to continue, f2 to enter setup", and when I go past that, it goes to the black screen - it's trying to do something, there's an underscore-cursor for about three seconds, then it disappears but the screen backlight is still on (still receiving data)
09:41 segfault22 yesterday, I only got the black screen half of the time, and I could try to boot a live disc/flashdrive, which would get about halfway before the screen starts to get filled with a constant stream of error messages that look like they're related to the card
09:41 Chinchou So it fails while still in the BIOS step...
09:42 segfault22 yes - I believe it's possibly related to the card's bios message function, which never appears but is also text mode and that would explain the underscore cursor
09:42 Chinchou That, plus the errors you mentioned, make me wonder if perhaps the BIOS requires access on all connected drives while booting.  Stupid, but not outside the realm of possibility.
09:42 segfault22 PCI isn't hot-swappable, right?
09:43 Chinchou I mean that it may try to do I/O on all connected drives.
09:43 Chinchou I'm pretty sure that you're correct on that, about PCI.
09:43 Chinchou SATA devices are, though.
09:43 Chinchou Or was it hot-pluggable...  I never manage to keep those straight.
09:44 segfault22 close enough
09:44 Chinchou You're booting off of a drive connected straight to the board, yes?  As opposed to the controller.
09:44 segfault22 Yes
09:44 Chinchou You confirmed the card itself to be functional, as I recall.
09:45 Chinchou It really sounds like your BIOS has an intense dislike for your controller card.
09:45 segfault22 Yes, when I have it in this system I'm using right now it works, but the c521 doesn't "like" it
09:46 Chinchou I wonder if there's a way for you to "disable" the card while the system boots, and have the OS re-enable it.  If so, that's worth a shot.
09:46 segfault22 I don't know of any way to do that, but it probably would work
09:47 Chinchou ... I doubt that such a thing is possible to the extent you might need, though.
09:47 Chinchou Is there any configuration to be done on the card itself?  Perhaps poking at that may yield something of use.
09:48 segfault22 I can try plugging the card into the slot once it's booted the OS and I'm at the CLI, and if it doesn't instantly crash there /may/ be some way to use the OS to "mount" the "new" component
09:48 Chinchou (I'm pretty much at the limits of my knowledge now)
09:48 segfault22 Only configuration on the board is an optional HDD activity light (2 empty pins sticking up out of it)
09:48 segfault22 sorry
09:49 Chinchou I would try to avoid hot-plugging a PCI card unless both the board and card explicitly state that they can handle hot-plugging.
09:49 segfault22 Okay, then I won't because they don't mention it anywhere
09:50 Chinchou I could be wrong about PCI not handling hot-plugging.  I don't recall well enough to say one way or the other, so I'm erring on the side of caution here.
09:50 segfault22 The only options now are to somehow get the card to work, either by changing the bios to a new version (with the old version handy to revert if the problems get worse) or solder new sata ports onto the unpopulated spaces on the board
09:51 segfault22 the motherboard, that is
09:51 Chinchou Aye, if new hardware is out of the question.
09:51 segfault22 the card also has two empty sata port spaces, but the packaging and manual explicitly states it's "4-channel" so I doubt they would work at all
09:52 segfault22 I could see about getting a different card that might be more compatible, but it will take some time before I can afford it...
09:52 Chinchou Hmm...  I think that the main problem with hot-plugging PCI cards is that they're addressed by the BIOS during initial boot stages.
09:52 Chinchou I don't know if there would be electrical problems.
09:53 segfault22 You are right about that one - even if it can handle the introduction of new electrical load after boot, it most likely won't try to initiate connection with the component - until I reboot it and it does the black screen again
09:54 Chinchou At this point, I can really only advise talking to someone more competent than I.
09:54 Chinchou Sorry 'bout that
09:54 segfault22 If I could just get it to go past the black screen half of the time again, then there may be a chance to have it work and be at least useable
09:54 Chinchou Hrm, ah, yeah.
09:54 segfault22 it's okay, you have helped me a lot
09:54 Chinchou Those error messages might be useful in some way.
09:55 segfault22 Yes, it was showing some kind of error messages (two types - on the flashingblack/white screen it's a single line but I can't read it because it flies down the screen...) that may be helpful in diagnosing where the problem is happening...
09:56 Chinchou Oh!  Is it feasible to boot from a flash drive, with your array hooked into the board instead of the card?
09:57 Chinchou You'd be tying up the drive full-time, of course...  Hrmm.  Perhaps try booting with the card installed but with the array disconnected.
09:58 segfault22 That may be an option, but I would need to install onto a second flash drive with the first one, which is probably better since that other os drive has a lot of bad sectors (it's from a DVR someone else gave to me)... there was an option "please select the drive to install: sda (the flashdrive the install media is on, not good option) and sdb (the hard drive) - it can install to a usb flash drive...
09:59 segfault22 I have tried with the array disconnected (first I just turned off the extra PSU, then I disconnected the sata cables for a second try) and it's not working the same way as before
09:59 segfault22 Thank you for mentioning the use of a flash drive as the os drive - I totally forgot about that...
10:00 segfault22 That DVR hard drive could fail any day, and I don't really need the cd/dvd drive anyways (it has trouble opening also, anyways)
10:01 Chinchou As long as you're not doing many writes(and don't have power problems), a good flash drive should last quite a while in that capacity.  Now, actually finding a good flash drive is another story...  *Grumble*
10:02 segfault22 I have an 8GB flash drive that's only storing some backup files, but I can put those on a different drive (or re-use the installation flash drive for those same files when I'm done installing to the flash drive)
10:03 Chinchou Well, that would be more than enough for a Debian install.
10:04 Chinchou (As a side note, I find it both hilarious and disturbing that 'doze takes over 20GB while I can put a fully-functional Debian or openSUSE install in 2GB)
10:07 segfault22 it is disturbing; all of that space isn't being used for the user-end software, probably something to monitor everything you do and send it back to their good ol' buddies over at NSA or something
10:08 segfault22 I will be using software RAID instead of a dedicated RAID card, which is disappointing because this card is a really nice one...
10:09 Chinchou Aye.
10:10 Chinchou I have no experience with RAID systems at all yet, which is sad.
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10:12 segfault22 It's weird how all the ubuntu sites tell you how to set up software raid during installation for the boot device, after installation also for the boot device, but not for disks that aren't going to be booted...
10:13 segfault22 trying to search for "raid software" google-stupids to "software raid" and gives the same results for setting it up on the boot media
10:13 Chinchou Ach.  I'd imagine that it would be little different, but I could be mistaken...  Ubuntu isn't exactly the greatest tool in the shed.
10:13 Chinchou (Have you tried using Ixquick instead of google?)
10:13 segfault22 maybe I should try debian-server
10:13 Chinchou (https://ixquick.eu)
10:14 Calinou try the duck which wears a bow tie
10:14 Calinou everyone trusts him :]
10:14 Chinchou Pfft owo;
10:14 * Chinchou quacks.
10:15 Chinchou BRB, soup.
10:15 segfault22 it does the same thing, probably because it's farming results primarily from google and a few others... there should be better syntax support in search engines so that you can specify which order the words come in without having to specify "this phrase and nothing that's any different"
10:17 segfault22 I wish there was a text-mode/CLI-version of ubuntu software center, kinda like how vim works...
10:24 Chinchou "apt search" and aptitude work nicely together for me.
10:31 segfault22 my sata cables might not be long enough to reach the sata ports from the homemade external cage contraption...
10:32 Chinchou Do you not have bays enough inside the case?
10:34 segfault22 there is technically room, but I lost the extra screws that would hold the second disk where the floppy drive is supposed to go, and I think it might get too hot from the reduced air-flow
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10:34 Chinchou Ah, yeah.
10:34 segfault22 the clearance between the disks would be negligible
10:35 Chinchou Well, that sucks.
10:35 sea` Oh, now this looks like an interesting conversation for once
10:35 sea` Clearance between the disks?
10:35 segfault22 xD
10:36 segfault22 about as thick as the film of water on a piece of wood left out in the rain for a few minutes
10:36 segfault22 or 1/32 of an inch
10:36 segfault22 oh no, the sky is brightening already and I haven't slept yet
10:36 segfault22 too bad
10:38 segfault22 I'm going /away for a few minutes to reconfigure the system,... I will be /back shortly
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10:43 prrmypx shamoanjac,
10:53 segfault22 okay the sata cables do reach the motherboard ports from the external cage, but only just.
10:55 segfault22 The two uninstalled sata port spots are actually closer to where I would need the ports to be, but of course they were omitted to make the machine cheaper
10:55 segfault22 my flash drive is slowing down...
10:55 segfault22 6.5MB/s
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10:57 segfault22 okay I'm gonna go install the os to the flash drive now, and try this different configuration...
10:58 Chinchou Hopefully that works out.
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11:11 segfault22 It got past the startup stage now, without the card in it and with the disks attached to the two sata ports on the board
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11:13 segfault22 but when I try to boot the install flash drive, I get to the menu and press "enter" at "command-line install" and the screen goes black... not sure if it's working and taking a while to display, or there's another problem...
11:13 Bekfast_La_Twin Lol are you up Vault?
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11:16 Vault_Le_Twin yes
11:17 segfault22 I moved the blank flash drive to the front with the install flash drive (it was on the back) and now it's working... weird...
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11:20 Megaf !server Megaf
11:20 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
11:20 Vault_Le_Twin !server Vault-81
11:20 MinetestBot Vault_Le_Twin: Vault-81 | 204.106.248.97:31000 | Clients: 1/25, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetest | Ping: 138ms
11:21 Vault_Le_Twin there is more then that -.-
11:21 segfault22 "It" detected my SATA RAID metadata from when I set-up the raid array with the SATA RAID card, even though they're connected directly to the board now! :D
11:25 segfault22 that flashdrive light is blinking like a rotary wombat
11:25 Vault_Le_Twin XD
11:25 Vault_Le_Twin oh does anyone know how to update drivers for an old shitty computer on Ubuntu?
11:26 sfan5 apt-get update
11:26 sfan5 and apt-get upgrade
11:27 Vault_Le_Twin Ive done them...
11:27 Vault_Le_Twin Im using a 2002 gateway profile 4 with a Pentium 4 processor
11:27 Vault_Le_Twin with a huge ass fan in the back to prevent overheating
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11:33 segfault22 is it okay to make a joke about OS's described as psychoactive substances, or is that not "family-friendly" enough
11:41 segfault22 flashdrive is still blinking fast but the progress bar stopped at 83%...
11:41 Vault_Le_Twin haha froze
11:41 segfault22 oeh noehs its cooking off
11:41 segfault22 all mah bits!!!!!11!one
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11:45 segfault22 it's bad to use a flash drive as a working directory (storing packages, unpacking them, etc...)
11:45 Vault_Le_Twin isn't a live disc better?
11:45 segfault22 I can't wait for everspin to release chips that are big enough to make reasonable usb drives with their magnetic spin-torque-transfer technology
11:45 Vault_Le_Twin wait thats for OS
11:46 segfault22 A live disc would be better, if it were reliably rewritable like a hard drive or "everspin chips"
11:46 segfault22 but I don't have DVD-RWs and I would have to disconnect the raid array to make room for the CD/DVD drive
11:47 Vault_Le_Twin or just an external drive
11:47 segfault22 That I also don't have
11:47 Vault_Le_Twin oh ok
11:48 Vault_Le_Twin I have like 50000 CD-R and DVD-RW discs
11:48 segfault22 "Everspin starts sampling 256Mb ST-MRAM chips, plans 1Gb chips by the end of 2016" ... "by the end of 2016" ... not soon enough :/
11:48 Vault_Le_Twin yeah
11:49 Chinchou Pffft, "rotary wombat".
11:49 segfault22 xD
11:49 Vault_Le_Twin it's funny
11:50 Chinchou Wombats look quite smug sometimes.
11:50 segfault22 it's the name of one of those linux kernels
11:50 Vault_Le_Twin yeah
11:50 Vault_Le_Twin mines Vivid Vervet
11:51 Chinchou Oh, codename of an ubuntu release?
11:51 Vault_Le_Twin yeah
11:51 Vault_Le_Twin latest I believe is Xenial Xeruz
11:51 Vault_Le_Twin Xerus*
11:51 * Chinchou is unfamiliar with most, knows "Jessie", "Wheezy", "Sarge", et cetera
11:52 Chinchou most of the ubuntu names*
11:52 Vault_Le_Twin I vaguely know some
11:53 Vault_Le_Twin Warty Warthog
11:53 Vault_Le_Twin Wiley
11:53 Vault_Le_Twin Vivid
11:53 Vault_Le_Twin Xenial
11:53 Vault_Le_Twin and others
12:02 segfault22 linux mint releases are named with girls' first names, like maya, olivia, rebecca, sarah
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12:05 segfault22 Everspin NVRAM is probably very good for usb drives, even though their chips only store up to 32MB so far
12:06 nosrick This is a longshot, but...
12:06 segfault22 it would take 128 of them just to equate a 4gb flash drive
12:06 nosrick Does anyone know why installing mono-complete on raspbian jessie causes my service to stop running?
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12:33 DonBatman 1bondage1
12:33 DonBatman i3hegihseh
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12:37 Megaf I have no idea about the Ubuntu names
12:37 Megaf there are far too many
12:38 Megaf and I know the Debian names because I used/use them
12:38 Megaf Squeeze - 6, Wheezy - 7,  Jessie - 8, Stretch - 9, Sid - Unstable
12:38 Megaf Chinchou: ^
12:38 Vault_Le_Twin XD
12:38 Megaf Sarge is 5 I think
12:39 Megaf or Etch
12:39 Megaf Etch might be 4
12:39 Megaf but I'm not sure
12:40 Megaf Lenny if 5 actually
12:40 Megaf https://en.wikipedia.org/wi​ki/List_of_Debian_releases
12:43 Chinchou Megaf, I started with Debian 5, but didn't pay attention to the names until Wheezy.
12:43 Chinchou I'm sad.
12:45 Chinchou My old install, which started as Wheezy when it was Testing, moved to Stable, migrated to Jessie during Testing, and reached Stable again, is on a drive that is dead.  :c
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12:57 Fixer my first debian was Sarge
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13:12 shamoanjac prrmypx,
13:21 prrmypx shamoanjac,
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13:21 prrmypx fuck i'm still "prr" in here
13:21 prrmypx i discovered this morning that "prr" is, indeed, a brony thing
13:22 resident so what
13:23 resident don't be so insecure about horse pussy
13:24 PmyX it's degenerate and i don't wish to associate with that
13:24 resident why so serious
13:24 resident it's not like you have a good reputation if you act disgusted with something that is seen as cringy by the majority
13:24 resident s/have/get
13:25 resident don't be the lame kid who follows the popular guys around but never actually does anything fun
13:26 Vault_Le_Twin XD
13:26 Vault_Le_Twin "the lame kid"
13:26 Chinchou "Degenerate"...  Now I know you're joking.  =w=;
13:27 PmyX i'll let you know
13:27 resident a fun popular guy would joke around with the brony and then part while feeling bad for the brony never losing his virginity
13:27 Chinchou Pfft
13:27 resident a lame kid would stay away from the bronies as to not raise attention
13:27 resident from the cool kids
13:28 PmyX that i'm the founder and head op of #coolkids @ rizon
13:28 resident "oh no i cant be seen with them"
13:28 resident "that would end my highschool life"
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13:28 PmyX so stfu
13:28 PmyX k
13:28 resident checkmate lamo
13:28 arecascino lmnoqrstuvwxyz
13:28 Chinchou Dear gods.
13:28 arecascino Chinchou: how long has this been going on
13:28 arecascino ?
13:29 Chinchou Less than three minutes.
13:29 Vault_Le_Twin XD
13:29 Chinchou Oh, oops, about five
13:29 Chinchou Misread the timestamps.
13:29 arecascino resident: what are you guys talking about
13:30 resident started with the guy being embarassed about how his former nickname had something to do with bronies
13:30 arecascino oh
13:30 shamoanjac PmyX,
13:30 arecascino prrpx
13:30 arecascino yeah
13:30 PmyX shamoanjac,
13:30 resident isn't that obnoxious
13:30 shamoanjac PmyX,
13:30 PmyX /ignore resident
13:30 arecascino pretty sure we realized that together
13:30 PmyX have fun
13:30 PmyX have fun on the ignore list
13:31 resident oh nooo
13:31 resident not the ignore list of pmyx
13:31 shamoanjac stfu PmyX #coolkids is a shit channel
13:31 PmyX stfu shamoanjac
13:31 * Chinchou sighs
13:31 shamoanjac you suck, your life sucks, your parents are ashamed of what you've become
13:31 resident damn
13:31 PmyX you wanna get /igno
13:31 PmyX that's how u get /igno
13:31 PmyX be careful
13:31 PmyX or you'll be put on the other list
13:31 shamoanjac your mother cries herself to sleep every night (except when I fuck her of course) while you're jerking off to anime children
13:32 PmyX my mom is dead
13:32 arecascino heh
13:32 shamoanjac and the above still holds true
13:32 * Chinchou continues sighing.
13:33 PmyX we cremated her
13:33 resident we creamed her
13:33 arecascino what is even going on
13:33 PmyX very mature of you, resident
13:34 PmyX making fun of my dead mom
13:34 resident your mom isnt dead
13:34 Chinchou In a word?  Immaturity.
13:34 PmyX how are you supposed to know
13:34 arecascino shamoanjac: PmyX: get your collective shits together
13:34 resident you wouldn't use it in an internet fight
13:34 PmyX btw, don't forget that you're on /ignore
13:34 resident if it was true
13:34 resident right
13:34 resident shit
13:34 PmyX i'm not fighting
13:35 PmyX i'm getting attacked by everybody
13:35 PmyX you're bullying me
13:35 resident way to turn this around
13:35 resident you are the bully
13:35 PmyX nice victim blaming
13:35 resident more like slut shaming
13:35 resident you slut
13:36 PmyX making fun of my dead mom and blaming me for getting bullied
13:36 arecascino are you guys trying to get banned?
13:36 PmyX what a nice person you are
13:36 resident we're just playing around
13:36 Chinchou I'll be over here, fighting with git.
13:36 resident why so serious arecascino
13:36 PmyX and everybody went quiet~
13:36 resident we're best mates me and pmyx
13:37 arecascino resident: because I think the quiet speaks for itself
13:37 PmyX i hope all of you
13:37 PmyX now feel like they have a lump in their throats
13:37 PmyX i hope you feel bad
13:37 PmyX all of you
13:38 resident teaches you not to make fun of horsefuckers
13:38 PmyX i'm sending this logs to the channel owners
13:38 arecascino holy shit
13:38 PmyX and to freenode ops
13:38 PmyX you're so getting banned
13:38 PmyX *these logs
13:38 arecascino kde is freezing every 5 seconds
13:38 resident install i3
13:39 resident or awesomewm
13:39 resident super lightweight
13:39 arecascino how about icewm
13:39 arecascino or twm
13:40 Chinchou I should try some of those out again sometime.
13:40 resident i prefer tiling managers
13:40 arecascino what the fuck is going on
13:40 arecascino my i7 is acting like a 486
13:41 arecascino fuck it
13:41 Chinchou My C2D is always acting like a C2D.
13:41 Chinchou I'm glad I don't bother with newer CPUs, with all the stuff I keep hearing and seeing.
13:42 Chinchou (The fact that I don't have the funds for a new build suuuurely has nothing to do with it.)
13:43 * Chinchou gazes lovingly at my old Pentium MMX 133
13:43 Chinchou So old it has SIMM slots.
13:44 resident pmyx lets play survival
13:44 arecascino FUCK SYSTEMD
13:44 Chinchou Hear hear
13:44 PmyX resident, you better apologize first
13:44 PmyX on your knees
13:44 arecascino WHY IS JOURNALD USING 100% OF MY CPU
13:45 Chinchou Oh dear gods.
13:45 arecascino FUCK LENNART POETTERING
13:45 Chinchou arecascino, holy shit
13:45 arecascino WHY DID IT JUST LAUNCH BTRFS BALANCE WHILE IM WORKING
13:45 arecascino WHAT IS TRACKER-MINER-FS
13:46 resident *apologize on my knees*
13:46 Chinchou Systemd tries to do far too much, really...
13:46 Chinchou I miss the old systems.
13:46 resident that's what you get for running systemdicks
13:46 Chinchou I haven't found the courage to strip it out and install file-rc yet.
13:46 arecascino I CANT KILL BTRFS BALANCE
13:46 PmyX k accepted
13:46 arecascino ASJDPJAPJDPSJPADPJ
13:47 arecascino FUCK THIS
13:47 PmyX don't forget your position, tho
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13:47 resident yes dominate me
13:47 PmyX i don't play minetest tho
13:48 PmyX video games are p degenerate
13:48 arecascino PmyX: why are you even in here then
13:48 resident why are you here then
13:48 resident thats v stupid
13:48 Calinou Lennart lennart = new Lennart();
13:48 PmyX i'm here
13:49 PmyX to make you rewrite it in rust
13:49 PmyX and to make you deviate from the ills of C++
13:50 PmyX why aren't all of you writing rust by now
13:51 xunto PmyX: because we would have to start from very begining
13:52 xunto I'm thinking about that but I doesn't have enough time now.
13:52 PmyX 3>I'm thinking about that
13:52 PmyX seriously?
13:52 xunto Yeah, why not?
13:52 xunto But not rust. I was thinking about go)
13:53 xunto C++ is crappy
13:53 PmyX you're the first person
13:53 PmyX on rizon
13:53 PmyX that i've met
13:54 PmyX who's coding c++
13:54 PmyX and admitting to that
13:54 shamoanjac stfu PmyX
13:54 shamoanjac please rewrite Minetest in ANSI C
13:55 PmyX In a Nutshell, Minetest has had 6,755 commits made by 374 contributors representing 139,766 lines of code
13:56 shamoanjac tfw leaving France tomorrow
13:56 PmyX bit much to rewrite
13:56 shamoanjac I THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS SO EASY WITH RUST YET YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A LOT TO REWRITE
13:57 shamoanjac LOL @ PmyX AND HIS MEME LANGUAGE
13:57 Calinou <PmyX> why aren't all of you writing rust by now
13:57 Calinou |Because| {Syntax} (Isn't) {[As]} [[[[[((((Good))))]]]]] $As$ |it| ___Ought___ {To} "Be"
13:58 Calinou really ;_; I hate reading Rust code
13:58 shamoanjac just like Haskell then
13:58 shamoanjac Haskell is ugly, too
13:58 PmyX haskell is meme
13:58 xunto Haskell is just unusual)
14:00 PmyX a rewrite of any project (which has grown into shape instead of being written towards a clearly defined goal) is gonna be superior to the original, anyways
14:00 PmyX are there any problems with minetests codebase right now?
14:00 PmyX general problems
14:00 PmyX the modding api makes it seem a bit rigid in places
14:00 PmyX unflexible i mean
14:01 PmyX also, shamoanjac stfu, you can't even lua
14:04 shamoanjac stfu PmyX I'm a lua expert
14:05 shamoanjac also did I tell you what I do with your mom while you're playing dwarf fortress?
14:05 xunto Actually I was thinking more about similar project with same idea but without compatibility and etc It's more like new project that takes into account minetest's mistakes.
14:05 shamoanjac we both program in C
14:05 shamoanjac how does that make you feel?
14:05 shamoanjac imagine your mother, with me
14:05 shamoanjac casting pointers
14:05 shamoanjac manually allocating memory
14:06 shamoanjac and not freeing it
14:06 xunto shamoanjac: performing pointer arithmetics
14:06 shamoanjac so hot
14:06 shamoanjac yeah I bet PmyX feels bad thinking about it
14:07 xunto I'm slowly creating pointer to a function in your structure while making graphics on vulkan...
14:07 xunto M-m...
14:10 nosrick shamoanjac, got any crash logs to send my way?
14:11 PmyX 3>minetests mistakes
14:11 PmyX what would these be
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14:11 shamoanjac no nosrick, I don't have access to logs
14:11 nosrick Ah, damn. I was hoping for some juice.
14:11 PmyX any github/forum discussions or so you could check out
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14:12 shamoanjac btw I'll make a Stock Market mod
14:12 PmyX genius
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14:12 shamoanjac is there any reasons Minecoin stacks are limited to 30,000?
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14:14 PmyX xunto, from me experience from the few foss projects i've followed
14:14 PmyX they tended to die from the codebase growing messy and nobody new being willing anymore to deal with them
14:15 PmyX *my
14:17 PmyX s/die/stagnate/
14:17 PmyX in the process of dying
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14:18 shamoanjac you mean in all of them there was some random guy you are totally unrelated with who started spamming about a certain language
14:18 PmyX no
14:19 PmyX quite the opposite
14:19 shamoanjac yes, bc that guy was u
14:19 shamoanjac btfo
14:19 shamoanjac i found you
14:20 PmyX i'm talking about devs create something nice, get a following, then they mess their shit up and abandon it
14:20 PmyX people like me on the otherhand
14:20 PmyX are saving such projects
14:20 xunto Well, it's not about minetest
14:21 PmyX by proposing total rewrites
14:21 shamoanjac of course ur the savior xDDDDD
14:21 shamoanjac sorry mister jesus prrist
14:21 xunto It takes years to get your PR merged here :D
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14:21 PmyX and consequently, because we're advocating the use of rust at the same time
14:21 PmyX we're saving computing as a whole
14:21 shamoanjac Moses + Abraham + Jesus + Muhammad
14:21 shamoanjac all in the same man
14:22 PmyX Muhammad was a pedophile
14:22 shamoanjac and that man is PmyX
14:22 xunto PmyX: Jesus too
14:22 PmyX was he
14:22 shamoanjac well then you are only Muhammed
14:22 xunto Or virgin
14:22 xunto I dunno
14:23 shamoanjac Muhammad dated Sadie4567
14:23 xunto I mean... He lived in time when it was okay.
14:23 xunto Marriage in age of 12-14
14:23 xunto An etc
14:23 shamoanjac iirc she was 9
14:23 shamoanjac according to some interpretations of the scriptures
14:24 PmyX excuse me
14:24 PmyX i'm busy now
14:24 Calinou dudes…
14:24 PmyX writing rust
14:24 PmyX or how you say: saving the world
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14:27 resident rust more like trust
14:28 resident more like thrust
14:28 resident more like crust
14:28 shamoanjac btfo
14:28 shamoanjac whatchu gonna do now PmyX
14:28 resident yeah go write some macros nerd
14:28 shamoanjac now that u no that Rust = Thrust
14:28 xunto Do we have rap battle about her?
14:28 xunto *rap battle here?
14:29 shamoanjac I wish I could have a poetry battle about Her...
14:30 xunto shamoanjac: everyting is in your hands)
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14:30 Vault_Le_Twin ...
14:30 resident ))
14:30 resident how to recognize a slav
14:30 resident no eyes in there smileys
14:31 xunto We have no eyes.
14:31 resident xaxa)
14:31 xunto Just eyebrows.
14:31 shamoanjac and Adidas gear
14:32 nosrick gopnik
14:33 xunto Comrades.
14:33 shamoanjac tfw no USSR
14:34 shamoanjac tfw no Khruschev
14:34 shamoanjac tfw no golden age
14:34 shamoanjac tfw no Honnecker
14:34 shamoanjac tfw no Ceaucescu
14:34 shamoanjac why live?
14:34 xunto Dunno...
14:35 xunto You made me sad, western comrade(
14:35 resident russians and ukrainians are the best internet users
14:35 shamoanjac 3>you will never flee the DDR via Hungary and Austria to reach your family in the BDR
14:35 nosrick But the worst Dota players
14:36 shamoanjac or was it DBR
14:36 shamoanjac Deutsche Bundesrepublik?
14:36 Calinou resident: yeah, where would Counter-Strike be without Russia and Ukraine…
14:37 resident fun fact: asian csgo players complain about filipinos like europeans complain about russians
14:37 nosrick PENOY PRIDE
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14:39 xunto >(05:34:42 PM) shamoanjac: why live?
14:39 xunto I know! Atleast I have Crimea and Putin!
14:39 shamoanjac !!1! best president ever xaxaxa
14:39 resident ))))))
14:39 nosrick Putin?
14:39 xunto Lets drink!
14:39 nosrick More like
14:39 nosrick Cutin
14:40 resident more like putain
14:40 shamoanjac ebin French pun
14:41 xunto resident: Actually. We have history character named Rasputin. And it kinda means "putain".
14:41 xunto And it almost Putin!
14:44 shamoanjac Ra-ra-rasputin, lover of the Russian queen
14:45 xunto Yeah, but it's not proved.
14:45 xunto It's more like shiping
14:45 xunto :D
14:45 resident ey
14:45 resident you're not finish
14:46 xunto I'm Russian but I hope that you won't think with stereotypes)
14:47 resident fins usually do the :DDD smiley
14:47 resident MAHTAVAAA :DDD
14:48 xunto Such a research
14:48 resident it's how i make my money
14:49 Bekfast_La_Twin VAULT
14:49 resident germans always do -.-
14:49 Bekfast_La_Twin Hey
14:49 PmyX shamoanjac, 'crust' is actually a nameable rust project fyi
14:49 Bekfast_La_Twin Vaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuullllllllt
14:49 PmyX by maidsafe
14:49 Bekfast_La_Twin Dam it
14:49 PmyX maidsafe = the future of the internet
14:49 resident more like maidcafe
14:49 PmyX cryptocoin powered internet
14:50 shamoanjac ew
14:50 PmyX written in rust
14:50 PmyX that makes it future²
14:51 sfan5 shamoanjac: fyi both are wrong, it's BRD
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14:52 shamoanjac shit sfan5
14:53 shamoanjac warum?
14:54 sfan5 BundesRepublik Deutschland
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14:57 agaran Hello
14:57 shamoanjac yeah I guessed
14:58 shamoanjac why not Deutschlands?
14:58 resident https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUlzpr1ft0I
14:59 sfan5 !title
14:59 MinetestBot sfan5: Second Life Trolling: What Rape Looks Like - YouTube
15:01 shamoanjac the fuck is this lol
15:03 PmyX that first one
15:03 PmyX who claims to be 14
15:03 PmyX is likely 30 something, too
15:03 shamoanjac do you mean women lie about their age on the Internet, too?
15:03 PmyX i'm saying
15:04 PmyX SL is full of old people and pathological liars
15:04 shamoanjac lol
15:04 shamoanjac never played it
15:04 PmyX playing second life is like admitting you've failed your first one
15:05 shamoanjac why aren't you playing it then
15:05 shamoanjac LOL
15:10 resident FLIPPED
15:10 resident right on the cummy tummy
15:10 resident and spanked
15:15 segfault22 Okay I'm trying to compile the latest minetest from github, but cmake says it appears there is not any CMakeLists.txt in the directory - I checked and it is right there under /minetest/. wtf?
15:15 segfault22 the directory is /minetest/, I cd'd into it and then ran the cmake command
15:17 resident If you downloaded the Minetest Engine source code in which this file is
15:17 resident contained, you probably want to download the minetest_game project too:
15:17 resident https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/
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15:17 sfan5 nah it's not that
15:17 shamoanjac cmake ., right?
15:17 sfan5 you'll need to make sure to run "cmake <stuff> ."
15:17 segfault22 yes
15:18 shamoanjac minetest didn't require a build/ directory, did it?
15:18 segfault22 what <stuff>
15:18 sfan5 stuff like -DENABLE_REDIS=1
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15:19 segfault22 dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest disagrees: the -D<switch> stuff comes after the .
15:19 segfault22 one of you is wrong
15:19 sfan5 it doesnt matter probably
15:20 segfault22 Then why am I getting this error
15:21 segfault22 I cd'd into the /minetest/ directory with all of the files including CMakeLists.txt, then run the "cmake . <switches go here>" command
15:21 resident readme says you need minetest_game
15:22 segfault22 I got it too
15:22 segfault22 "all of the files"
15:22 sfan5 can you pastebin what cmake saysß
15:22 sfan5 s/ß/?/
15:22 segfault22 I don't have a pastebin account but I can write out the single error line it outputs
15:23 sfan5 you dont need a pastebin account wtf
15:23 resident who uses pastebin smh
15:23 shamoanjac pastebin is harmful botnet
15:24 resident dataminebin
15:25 segfault22 it says "CMake error: the source directory /media/usb8g/minetest does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt"
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15:27 resident why not download the binary
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15:27 sfan5_ linux is genuis
15:27 sfan5_ instead of killing python
15:27 sfan5_ it killed almost every other process on my vps
15:27 sfan5_ including nginx, znc and getty
15:28 segfault22 the binary?
15:28 resident did you run killall python
15:28 segfault22 It isn't available for my configuration
15:28 resident what distro are you on
15:28 segfault22 ubuntu server (cli mode only)
15:28 sfan5_ nah OOM killer
15:29 segfault22 I'm using a different system to communicate
15:29 sfan5 ...
15:29 resident what
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15:30 resident trying to compute what you want to do
15:30 resident im overheating
15:30 segfault22 I am trying to compile a minetest server without client, certain cmake switches applied to make it better for cli mode only
15:30 resident o
15:30 sfan5 anyway
15:31 sfan5 segfault22: if CMake says that there is no CMakeLists.txt in there then there isn't one
15:31 segfault22 I looked, there is one, it's right there in /minetest/ at /minetest/CMakeLists.txt
15:31 Chinchou segfault22, probably a stupid question, but do you have permissions set properly on the file?
15:31 segfault22 sudo cmake?
15:32 sfan5 dont just run it as root if it doesnt work
15:32 segfault22 Why should I have to change the permissions set by the specific operations defined in the guide?
15:32 segfault22 It should be proper
15:33 resident did you maybe do sudo wget
15:33 segfault22 probably not
15:33 resident do ls -lisah
15:33 segfault22 The file and folder would have an X icon and would be un-writeable on the other system
15:33 resident and check ownership and permission
15:34 Chinchou segfault22, "ls -l"
15:34 resident ls -lisahvvvv
15:34 PmyX have u tried
15:34 PmyX sudo rm -rf /
15:34 segfault22 I do have another system with a GUI so I can just look at the GUI instead of trying to go through the terminal
15:35 PmyX ok
15:35 Chinchou At this point I would just "rm -r" the cloned directory and re-clone it.
15:35 agaran sfan5: well, OOM behavior is indeed a bit odd at times
15:35 resident try not cloning into /media
15:35 segfault22 it's stupid to try to trick people into doing something stupid like rm -rf /. Thankfully I'm not stupid
15:35 resident try cloning into home directory
15:36 resident instead
15:36 PmyX don't listen to Chinchou
15:36 PmyX he's trying to trick u
15:36 sfan5 aheinecke: odd? lmao, it basically went on a rampage and killed random stuff
15:36 PmyX segfault22, how about :(){ :|: & };: then
15:36 PmyX :(){ :|: & };:
15:36 PmyX try it
15:36 segfault22 PmyX I am ignoring you now because you're out of bounds
15:36 PmyX shit
15:37 sfan5 out of bounds?
15:37 sfan5 have you tried using a larger integer
15:37 segfault22 where?
15:37 resident try yes $(yes $(yes))
15:37 resident that should do the trick
15:37 segfault22 That was a joke...
15:37 aheinecke sfan5: ^ I think you meant to ping agaran ;-)
15:37 segfault22 nevermind, I'll figure it out on my own like I usually do
15:37 sfan5 oh yes sorry
15:37 PmyX btw
15:37 PmyX i never got a segfault again since i switched to rust
15:38 PmyX never
15:38 PmyX in 6 months
15:38 sfan5 agaran: ok seems like the problem was that *every* process had an OOM score of 0
15:38 resident why would you to begin with
15:38 resident you get segfaults if you don't understand pointer arithmetic
15:38 sfan5 compare:
15:38 sfan5 [13400101.516581] Out of memory in UB 11515: OOM killed process 11673 (sh) score 0 vm:8kB, rss:4kB, swap:0kB
15:38 sfan5 [13400101.617441] Out of memory in UB 11515: OOM killed process 11586 (python3) score 0 vm:1530068kB, rss:975848kB, swap:532608kB
15:38 sfan5 both have a score of 0
15:38 sfan5 wat
15:38 sfan5 (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
15:39 Chinchou sfan5, I no longer have tables or I'd be flipping one right now
15:40 agaran sfan5: sounds 'fun' well last time we had OOM was 88G taken by one process..
15:40 sfan5 segfault22: run "pwd;ls -la;stat CMakeList.txt" and put that on a pastebin
15:41 sfan5 agaran: yes very fun, i don't have 88GB to spare however
15:41 agaran sfan5: machine had 128, so managed..
15:42 agaran sfan5: but how python took that much? memleak or bad code? (in 88G case was memleak)
15:42 sfan5 uhh
15:42 sfan5 horrible code
15:43 sfan5 basically i tried to parse & store 4800000 log entries with python
15:43 agaran not that good code leads to memleaks..
15:43 segfault22 I downloaded the files from a machine with a different username than the machine on which I was trying to run cmake. Thus the permissions were not off level, just incorrect. So now I have to git clone at the machine where it will be compiled, which requires adding the device to fstab so it is automatically mounted and mountable by non-superusers
15:43 agaran you can adj /proc/$$/oom_* probably
15:43 Chinchou segfault22, "chown -r <user>"
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15:50 Passant hi there, i tried to use a tree schematic file in a different mod, so the id's have to be updated in the file. if i do this it breaks the schem (the tree just wont grow anymore). is there another way to edit the mts properbly?
15:50 Passant (another way than edit it with vim)
15:50 sfan5 if you're careful you can edit the file in a hex editor
15:50 sfan5 otherwise just place the schematic in a world
15:51 sfan5 change the nodes
15:51 sfan5 and then save it again
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15:51 Chinchou Also, segfault22, you don't necessarily need to add the device to fstab - you can mount as root, chown the mount directory, and write to it as a normal user.  I'll admit that it is a bulky solution, though.
15:52 Passant sfan5: thanks, i will try :)
15:53 Passant ah, nice to know, vim actually has a hex mode
15:53 Chinchou Agh, is MGv7 just CPU-intensive, or is it the collection of mods I'm using?
15:54 sfan5 Passant: "if you're careful" implies that you understand the binary format btw
15:54 Chinchou CPU use spikes to 80% when generating chunks...
15:55 Chinchou I didn't see this when I was using MGv6.
15:55 agaran I only used v6 so far..
15:55 Chinchou (I was also using older copies of the mods.)
15:56 Chinchou I'm using Ethereal-ng.  A post in the thread claimed that it is incompatible with MGv6...  The lack of any signs of Ethereal when using v6 seemed to support this.
15:57 Chinchou So, I tried v7, but holy hells, my poor CPU...
15:57 Passant sfan5: i filled the empty spaces caused by the different modname with dots, was that wrong? minetest says invalid schematic file now..
15:58 sfan5 yes that's not how you're supposed to do it
15:58 Passant hm. i see
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16:00 Passant also i just saw that the changes are undone when i exit the hex mode in vim >_>
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16:04 Passant aaah, a workaround are aliases :P
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16:05 isabelmiro i have dug a hole now what do i do?
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16:06 agaran some of us permanently are digging holes;)
16:06 shamoanjac we all are dwarves digging holes in the coal mines that are our lives
16:06 shamoanjac Find more in #poetry
16:07 isabelmiro Do you have any beginners instructions?
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16:07 agaran isabelmiro: what you need help with? you dig to get resources usually, or to have room to build underground..
16:08 isabelmiro Really basic help about how to move about and do things. Have never played before.
16:09 shamoanjac Isabel, have you played games like Minetest before?
16:09 agaran isabelmiro: asdw, for movement, right and left mouse button one digs, other places currently selected node, 1-8 or mouse wheel change current node from list you see on bottom of screen
16:09 agaran isabelmiro: you play on your server or some public?
16:10 isabelmiro no, someone else's computer. Standalone.
16:11 agaran isabelmiro: i gives you inventory, so you can swap what items/blocks you have available directly (topmost row of inventory)
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16:11 agaran also there you can make things, putting like coal and stick gives you torch, putting chopped tree trunk piece makes wood plans, then they make stick etc..
16:14 agaran isabelmiro: if thats not enough just let me know, I'll try explain more detailed
16:17 Chinchou It might be good to point out the Tutorial mod/subgame/map to newbies like that.
16:17 agaran I have no clue about such..
16:22 Chinchou https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=10192
16:22 Chinchou ^ Tutorial
16:22 Chinchou Very useful - I used it myself when I started.  Very well-done, in my opinion.
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16:31 agaran Hi IhrFussel
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16:36 IhrFussel agaran, hello there =)
16:37 agaran IhrFussel: found one issue with /hpm, it still shows >>>>> foobar <<<< kind of messages..
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16:42 IhrFussel You mean /me output yes...I can fix that
16:43 agaran is this mod available somewhere?
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16:45 agaran IhrFussel: so far it is best fixup ever.. :)
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16:46 segfault22 I got it to compile. thank-you for the help sfan5
16:47 IhrFussel agaran, do you mean me about mod available?
16:47 Calinou !server Calinou
16:47 MinetestBot Calinou: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 21/32, 24/31 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 12ms
16:47 agaran IhrFussel: yes
16:47 Calinou what… 21 players
16:47 Calinou and I reached 31 apparently
16:47 agaran Calinou: lots of ppl, :)
16:47 segfault22 I don't know if it works right, but it finished compiling and put out a program launcher file thing
16:47 Calinou ok, someone is called Calinow on it…
16:47 Calinou time for a ban
16:48 segfault22 lol
16:48 segfault22 are you sure they are trying to impersonate you, or are you just guessing
16:48 segfault22 it's kinda obvious w is not u
16:49 IhrFussel It's part of a mod called "own_commands" that I created..I could extract the hpm/spm parts and post them on pastebin
16:49 Calinou segfault22: I have no sympathy for people taking other people's usernames…
16:50 segfault22 are you sure they are "taking other people's usernames"
16:50 Calinou yes
16:50 agaran IhrFussel: I don't want to make additional work..
16:50 Calinou if my username was Killer, maybe I'd have accepted them
16:50 Calinou :P
16:52 segfault22 What if you're wrong- oh yeah, you've got those other 20 players to keep you company, so no problem there
16:53 segfault22 as long as they are all "cool" enough, they'll keep coming back because nowhere else is good enough
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16:54 eliotJ Hi all. I'm new here :)
16:55 eliotJ I want to download minetest for my kids... And I have two questions:
16:56 eliotJ 1. Can Minetest work ok in offline mode ?
16:56 agaran 1= yes
16:56 IhrFussel agaran, nothing special just uses files...you need to create a "chatm" folder inside the world folder to use it http://pastebin.com/gtBGujJW
16:57 Krock eliotJ, the multiplayer mode will stop working offline
16:57 agaran IhrFussel: superb, so I can extend it a little..
16:57 Krock (unless you play in your own network)
16:58 eliotJ Krock: I supposed this :)
16:58 eliotJ 2. Does it's possible to play without any violence ???
16:58 Krock yes, turn off damage
16:59 Krock checkbox on the left side of your singleplayer mode tab
16:59 Krock but you can't change it for servers (logical)
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17:00 agaran eliotJ: you can run local server for lan if you have 2 computers, and turn off damage there as well..
17:01 eliotJ Krock: What does it's exactly "damege" ? Does it's described somewhere exactly ?
17:01 eliotJ Krock: I don't want wars, zombie or other monsters...
17:01 agaran IhrFussel: it maybe be handy to have chatm dir in ramdisk..
17:01 Krock eliotJ, damage off  disables your health bar ingame and nothing and nobody can hurt you
17:01 NoNamesLeft Hey guys, I'm having a lot of trouble instaloing server mods. I installed the server from apt-get but all the files and folders are all over the place, literally nothing matches up with the wiki. I've just about got a server running, but now I can't get any mods to work. I've had a look in my home folder and there's nothing there, but the world is in /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/worlds/world. I've made a
17:01 NoNamesLeft worldmods folder and dumped the mod folder in there and it doesn;t work. I've also mode a /mods/ folder and tried editing the world.mt but that doesn't work either
17:01 agaran eliotJ: zombie and monsters are optional..
17:01 Calinou eliotJ: Minetest has no such things out of the box
17:02 NoNamesLeft I'm not sure what else to do now
17:02 Krock there are no mobs in vanilla minetest, you'd have to add them manually
17:02 Chinchou Calinou, I was using "Chinchou" for about a year before discovering MT.  Yet, by your claims, I'm "taking someone's name" because there's a "Chinchow" on the forum.  You're on a very slippery slope there.
17:02 NoNamesLeft Of course. that's my question, Krock
17:02 Krock (vanilla = unmodded minetest game)
17:02 NoNamesLeft Unless you're not talking to me, haha
17:02 Calinou NoNamesLeft: $HOME/.minetest/mods is where you should put mods
17:03 Calinou Chinchou: I thought you were Chinchow :P
17:03 Krock NoNamesLeft, do you think I can read your test so fast?
17:03 Chinchou =~=
17:03 NoNamesLeft Right, is it normal that that folder should be empty
17:03 eliotJ Krock, agaran, Calinou Thx :)
17:03 Calinou NoNamesLeft: usually you create it
17:03 agaran Chinchou: on debian there is /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/mods for mods (for server instance)
17:03 agaran but you need to make it readable by games..
17:03 NoNamesLeft agaran, I created that-- ah
17:04 NoNamesLeft chmod, agaran ?
17:04 Chinchou agaran, you pinged the wrong username.
17:04 agaran yep, chmod .games -R
17:04 agaran Chinchou: ah, sorry :)
17:04 agaran just give path, not just above command
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17:04 eliotJ But in Minetest (out of the box version) is a possible fight / battle against other players in online mode ? But swords for example...
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17:04 eliotJ *does
17:05 agaran eliotJ: if you disable damage then you can swing sword.. whole eternity doing nothing..
17:05 agaran you can disable pvp too in config
17:05 Calinou PvP is enabled by default, some servers disable it
17:05 NoNamesLeft agaran, chmod: invalid mode: '.games'
17:05 agaran and if you don't add mobs, and disable damage, nothing can harm players I think..
17:05 Calinou if damage is diabled, then PvP is also disabled
17:05 NoNamesLeft should I just 777 it?
17:05 eliotJ agaran: pvp ???
17:06 agaran NoNamesLeft: oh, well I have .games on my debian
17:06 agaran eliotJ: player vs player
17:06 Megaf This is new to me.
17:06 NoNamesLeft yeah I'm on an older verson, I'm just too lazy to update and it doesn't host anything of value or sensitive data
17:06 agaran NoNamesLeft: chown .games /var/games/minetest-server​/.minetest/mods/travelnet/
17:06 Calinou NoNamesLeft: maybe build Minetest from source…
17:06 Calinou it's more recent that way
17:06 agaran NoNamesLeft: then check at what uid minetest server is running, and adjust to that
17:07 agaran debian 8 has 0.4.14 stable..
17:07 NoNamesLeft agaran, ran that command on the mods folder
17:07 Calinou -dev versions are better :P
17:07 NoNamesLeft yeah, I mean my version of debian
17:07 Chinchou (Calinou, I'm "Chinchou" after the Pokemon)
17:07 NoNamesLeft and possibly chmod
17:08 Chinchou (So you can see how similar names can and do spring up all the time.  Point is, be cautious, don't assume.)
17:08 agaran NoNamesLeft: hmm then check at which uid/gid server is working and just use that, owner may be root/whatever, gid of group you want and 750 for dirs, 640 for files, or just 755/644 regardless of owner/group
17:08 Calinou Chinchou: considering most of the Minetest userbase is like 10, and doesn't know how to use the chat…
17:08 Calinou :/
17:08 eliotJ agaran: Attaking by sword which doesn't do any harm to other play can be even worse lesson for child ;)
17:08 eliotJ *player
17:08 eliotJ agaran: Imho
17:09 agaran so find /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/mods/ -type f -print0|xargs -0 chmod 644
17:09 Chinchou agaran, 0.4.14 in Debian Jessia is only in backports right now.
17:09 agaran and find /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/mods/ -type d -print0|xargs -0 chmod 755
17:09 agaran Chinchou: yep
17:09 sfan5 agaran: chmod -R is a thing btw
17:09 NoNamesLeft agaran, I have to run it as sudo anyway, it won't start otherway
17:09 NoNamesLeft he suggested that earlier
17:09 Chinchou Most will end up installing 0.4.10, because backports is not enabled by default.
17:09 agaran NoNamesLeft: odd, here it works as user..
17:10 agaran Chinchou: my bad, I couldn't live without bpo
17:10 NoNamesLeft it just spits out an error for me
17:10 NoNamesLeft let me see
17:10 Chinchou agaran, aye, I always enable bpo as well.
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17:10 NoNamesLeft what():  Failed to open log file /var/log/minetest/minetest.log: Permission denied
17:10 Calinou Debian: stability first, sane defaults second.
17:10 Calinou :P
17:11 Chinchou Eh.
17:11 Chinchou It isn't that bad.  Out-of-date packages in the repo can be annoying, but building from source is easy enough.
17:11 agaran NoNamesLeft: thats easy to fix, chown that file to minetest user and try again
17:12 Chinchou (Usually.  Don't get me started on nouveau.)
17:12 Calinou have fun building GCC or Chromium from source
17:12 Chinchou Calinou, I did say "Usually". =w=;
17:12 agaran Calinou: I build gcc dozen of times, including crossgcc.. but I don't recommend it to anyone as daily routine indeed..
17:13 NoNamesLeft Well, running the server as root after running those find commands still doesn't return anything when /mods is listed
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17:13 NoNamesLeft I'll check the world.md
17:13 Calinou load_mod_modname = true
17:13 Calinou is what you should write
17:13 agaran NoNamesLeft: hmm.. you have to enable them *after* server can see them...
17:13 Calinou (obviously, modname is the mod name)
17:13 Calinou don't do that while server is started
17:13 agaran and don't run MT as root..
17:14 NoNamesLeft I don't know what the modname is, is it the folder name>?
17:14 NoNamesLeft worldedit for example
17:14 NoNamesLeft the folder is called Minetest-WorldEdit-1.0
17:14 sfan5 Calinou: building gcc is easy
17:14 Calinou load_mod_worldedit = true
17:14 Chinchou You really should rename that to "worldedit".
17:14 agaran if you run server with new mods, then stop it adds necesary lines with =false in my case.. then I edit them to =true
17:14 Calinou it's a modpack, it can be named however he wants :)
17:15 Chinchou Ah right.
17:15 sfan5 Calinou: also you need to enable more than just "worldedit"
17:15 Calinou yes
17:15 Chinchou Still good advice - most mods will throw strange errors when the directory is misnamed.
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17:16 agaran all picks differ in uses and how hard material they can crush, but each use wears always one unit of their durability?
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17:17 NoNamesLeft It's still not seeing it
17:17 NoNamesLeft hm
17:18 NoNamesLeft let me check ownerships
17:19 NoNamesLeft Hm, even after chowning the log file it still says permission denies
17:19 NoNamesLeft oh, wrong path
17:19 NoNamesLeft durrr
17:19 Krock HURR DURR
17:20 NoNamesLeft Still not picking anything up
17:20 NoNamesLeft at a dead end here
17:20 NoNamesLeft It still ahsn't written anything to world.mt
17:20 NoNamesLeft I started and stopped the server like 3 times
17:21 NoNamesLeft I'm starving so I'm gonna get some food, back later
17:21 agaran NoNamesLeft: have good meal
17:21 agaran Krock: sword adds up to armor rating?
17:21 Krock agaran, haven't heard of that yet. does it?
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17:22 agaran dunno I have no sword on me at moment was curious what I can put in last slot in armor page
17:24 agaran Krock: btw if you need fuel.. I have some spare oil extract..
17:25 Krock agaran, oh thanks for the offer but sadly I can't play today. Maybe later ;)
17:25 agaran Krock: not saying now :) just let me know if you need
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17:32 eliotJ agaran: My kid play earlier in the ManicDigger many, many hours... Does it's possible to import worlds from ManicDigger to Minetest ?
17:32 agaran I have no clue, but I doubt..
17:32 eliotJ agaran: ok.
17:33 Krock there are so freaking damn many ways to save data - each game would need its own to-Minetest converter
17:38 eliotJ In offline mode do there are npc ?
17:38 agaran eliotJ: can be if you add mods.. normally there are no npc's
17:40 eliotJ agaran: Or even does it's possible turn off sword completly in game, some mods or config or even modification in under the trunk ?
17:40 agaran eliotJ: yes
17:40 agaran eliotJ: you simply need to remove crafting recipe for it and eventually also node definition and it is permanently eradicated
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17:41 agaran you have minetest game in games, you can copy it, then change it in copy and just run server using that new one.. and it is done and even if you upgrade it will stay same
17:46 segfault22 still not sure what direction in which I should take the development of my resources-mod, except up of course
17:47 segfault22 maybe I should just patch up an older incomplete version that was working nicely for the most part, and release it, then release the massively redone version shortly thereafter
17:48 segfault22 the mod won't really replace moreores and similar mods, but it will make it obsolete for just about all serious minetest servers based on a latest version
17:49 segfault22 people who don't use the API will be missing out on a lot, because they will have to minetest.register_* lots of stuff the hard way, instead of letting some other mod handle it flawlessly
17:51 segfault22 server owners will love it because they will be able to add or remove any material at any time, and fine-tune all of the properties of any material and all items/nodes/tools based on the material by just changing one or a few lines
17:51 segfault22 well, at any time the server is not online, because you can't minetest.register_* after the game is initiated
17:52 eliotJ agaran: Eeee... "remove crafting recipe", "node definition"... Do these are in the some folders ?
17:52 agaran eliotJ: yes, do you want to find me and tell you more exact explanations?
17:53 eliotJ agaran: Would be awsome :)
17:53 agaran what operating system you use?
17:53 eliotJ win xp
17:53 eliotJ or Android
17:53 eliotJ on the tblet
17:54 agaran so winxp, then you have folder 'games' inside minetest directory, right?
17:54 eliotJ But...
17:54 eliotJ My kids have Win Vista
17:54 eliotJ sorry
17:54 agaran does not matter
17:54 eliotJ I missunderstand you
17:54 agaran on linux there is 'grep' ;) on win not really
17:54 eliotJ ok
17:55 agaran so inside games directory there is minetest_game, this is base set of mods defining default world
17:56 agaran then inside mods dir there, you have 'default' mod, and it contains sword defs etc,
17:56 agaran among other needed things so we just remove swords leaving rest
17:57 eliotJ agaran: Does it's all ?
17:58 agaran no.. you need edit few files but I wanted to know if you found that first
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17:58 Nosrick Why would checking if player.is_player is valid cause a crash?
17:58 eliotJ agaran: Uuuu... I don't download Minetest yet... Give me a moment I will download it now...
17:59 agaran eliotJ: there are axes which can be used for harming too but they are needed to chop trees.. okay, take your time
18:00 eliotJ agaran: Unpacking now :)
18:04 eliotJ agaran: Hmmm... I don't see sword in these path what you described above...
18:04 eliotJ agaran: sword.lua <- does I need to find ?
18:04 agaran there is aliases.lua in default there are aliases, we may remove them for completness (few containing sword in line, you can delete line or simply add two - before it, that means comment it)
18:05 agaran then default/crafting.lua which has 'recipe' to make few kinds of swords (wodden, stone, steel, mese etc..) also comment whole minetest.register_.. () for swords.. you can do that or you need more detailed help?
18:05 agaran then default/tools.lua where actual swords are defined again -- to comment them out
18:07 eliotJ agaran: Should I adding two lines before these part of lua and also after ?
18:08 agaran there is minetest.register_craft({.... sword...}) so comment whole block to })
18:08 eliotJ I mean lua code
18:08 agaran same for minetest.register_node({..sword..})
18:11 eliotJ agaran: Hmmm... Maybe you will do fast edit of these files (adding comment) and upload it somewhere and I will use yours modified files on my kids PC ?
18:11 eliotJ agaran: I suppose this will be faster way ;)
18:12 agaran bbut less learning ;)
18:12 agaran sure, I can try at least
18:12 eliotJ agaran: I will do compare content for learning :)
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18:14 eliotJ Btw. I think all these tips can be some cool idea for some article or part of documentation for other parents who want gives Minetest for their kids, but don't want violence at all :)
18:18 agaran eliotJ: http://pastebin.com/hGRk2epV http://pastebin.com/hCW27Rzx
18:22 MinetestBot [git] xunto -> minetest/minetest: Move on join and on leave messages to lua (#4460) 0b0075e https://git.io/v6SGJ (2016-08-22T20:21:48+02:00)
18:23 eliotJ agaran: Ok. Thanks so much :). Now download these 2 codes, saves to correct files and that is all ?
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18:23 agaran yep, I think so, you can test yourself (turning on creative mode) if any sword can be found
18:24 eliotJ agaran: Creative mode <- aoes it's while playing game, right ?
18:25 eliotJ *does
18:25 agaran if you enable 'creative mode' checkbox in singleplayer then you get all items accessible without need to make them..
18:25 agaran there is big list on side of inventory window, there should be no sword available
18:25 agaran other items, hoe, axe, pickaxe will be but they are needed to dig stone, chop trees etc..
18:26 agaran you can remove all those and turn on creative mode as well it depends what you want to do..
18:27 eliotJ agaran: oooo... I see
18:28 eliotJ agaran: Thank you so much again... :)
18:28 agaran yw
18:28 eliotJ I have 3 kids... One is a newborn ;)
18:29 eliotJ And I like to give thay some creative games
18:29 agaran sounds logical..
18:31 eliotJ Ok. Time to supper with family... I will be back later
18:32 agaran have good meal
18:32 eliotJ agaran: :)
18:33 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Client: disable pre v25 init sending by default d767f02 https://git.io/v6SZx (2016-08-22T20:23:28+02:00)
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18:34 NoNamesLeft Hey again, still not figured it
18:34 NoNamesLeft Tried taking ownership of /var/games/minetest-server
18:35 octacian uhm, why are u using minetest-server?
18:35 agaran well, what linux you have, you compiled all that yourself?
18:36 agaran well you have debian, my bad
18:36 agaran need to wake up.. or maybe not
18:36 NoNamesLeft octacian, because that's where the world got placed
18:36 NoNamesLeft and I'm hosting a server
18:36 NoNamesLeft I got it from apt-get
18:36 octacian All u have to do is compile minetest. It has the server built in. minetest --server --world <worldname> etc...
18:36 octacian there is no need for minetest-server
18:36 NoNamesLeft I just grabbed minetest-server from aptitude
18:37 octacian minetest --server has identical functionality, without the need for extra packages.
18:37 NoNamesLeft But I suppose I'll try that since I cannot get it to even recognise mods
18:39 agaran NoNamesLeft: my game stuff has group set to games, and this simply works..
18:39 NoNamesLeft yeah I have files and folders everywhere
18:40 octacian group set to games? what did you do? :P
18:40 Nosrick Grump grump, I might write my own API for everything.
18:40 NoNamesLeft the executable is in /usr/games/
18:40 agaran octacian: chown -R .games ?
18:40 octacian ok.. That is weird
18:40 agaran NoNamesLeft: that is irrelevant actually it may be /my/personal/little/moon as well
18:40 octacian fyi, chown doesn't work like that
18:41 octacian chown <option> <user>:<group> <folder>
18:41 agaran octacian: nope, all game stuff has own users and belongs to games group..
18:41 agaran octacian: depends how old chown you are used to use..
18:41 agaran I remember 2.0.20 kernels..
18:41 agaran it was using dot as separator..
18:41 agaran sorry for misleading but I am simply used to ., some of my systems still use . not :
18:42 octacian ohk
18:42 octacian i'd recommend tho, that NoNamesLeft check out https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837
18:43 octacian then he can use minetest --server and it'll all work normally :P
18:44 NoNamesLeft Yeah I'll just dump it in a folder somehwere and start fresh
18:44 agaran octacian: well for me /usr/games do work normally..;)
18:44 octacian agaran: yep, and that's great! The newest version of MT however, works differently by default
18:44 agaran 0.4.14..
18:45 endev15 yeah. 4.14
18:45 NoNamesLeft That one line script just spews errors
18:45 endev15 you tried the first one line script?
18:46 NoNamesLeft nah the portable one
18:46 NoNamesLeft But the error is at apt-get
18:46 NoNamesLeft so I reckon I need different repos
18:46 endev15 yeah, that would explain it. you've messed with the default repos? Your on Debian, right?
18:46 NoNamesLeft Package libjpeg8-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
18:46 NoNamesLeft [////]
18:46 NoNamesLeft However the following packages replace it:
18:46 NoNamesLeft libjpeg62-turbo-dev
18:46 NoNamesLeft Yeah, I'll run apt-get update and see
18:47 endev15 that'd probably help. otherwise, try replacing libjpeg8-dev with libjpeg62-turbo-dev and see what happens.
18:47 NoNamesLeft I mean I don't really need those pkgs since the server runs rind outout it
18:47 NoNamesLeft fine*
18:47 NoNamesLeft without*
18:47 NoNamesLeft I've been at work 10 hours
18:47 agaran Nosrick: trying IhrFussel's Server?
18:47 endev15 the thing is compiling MT. The packages are needed for cmake and make
18:48 Nosrick I am!
18:48 NoNamesLeft Oh no the libs are for ma--
18:48 NoNamesLeft yeah
18:48 agaran saw you logging in..
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18:49 NoNamesLeft yeah it seems to be doing it now I've replaced the package names
18:50 endev15 nice
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18:52 endev15 It might take a while the first time
18:52 NoNamesLeft yeah, compiling does since it's a fairly limited cheap vps
18:52 endev15 vps?
18:52 NoNamesLeft virtual private server
18:52 NoNamesLeft Just hosting a little server
18:52 endev15 oh. just to host a MT server?
18:53 NoNamesLeft well I have other uses for it
18:53 NoNamesLeft but mt server is one of them
18:53 agaran for a moment I thought about running MT server just to have publicly accessible playground for some mod tweaking..
18:53 endev15 I wonder if it'd be worthwhile to set up a MT hosting service that was actually easy to use..
18:53 endev15 agaran: that's exactly what I do
18:53 agaran but so far decided to not :) no code I made is worth to showing..
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19:23 NoNamesLeft Where is the minetest.conf for the server? It seems it isn't reading the one in ./minetest
19:24 NoNamesLeft it's just ignored all the settings I changed
19:26 agaran yes there is, but depends on user and how you invoke it
19:26 agaran you can specify which config to use with cmdline option
19:27 NoNamesLeft yeah I was gonna look for that
19:27 NoNamesLeft is it --config
19:31 NoNamesLeft Ugh, all this effort and now the shitting mod doesn't work, I don't expect you guys to help since it's not your responsibility but all WorldEdit commands just return "invalid command". does it have to be installed on the client too?
19:32 NoNamesLeft I've granted myself the priv
19:32 agaran no, you need it only on servers
19:32 NoNamesLeft Right, any idea why it's not working then? the mod is set to true and it recognises the worldedit privilege
19:32 NoNamesLeft let me run /mods
19:33 NoNamesLeft ah, there's worldedit_commands too, let's se
19:33 NoNamesLeft nah that's not a privilege
19:35 NoNamesLeft restarted everything, it works
19:35 NoNamesLeft odd
19:38 segfault22 I can't get software RAID to work,... the implementation is just so rinky-dink and the documentation is like a whole novel based on sarcasm
19:39 segfault22 So I have to do something else
19:39 agaran with md or device mapper?
19:39 segfault22 either
19:40 segfault22 Also I have determined that there isn't much benefit to using a RAID array, when there are other options that may be more effective
19:40 agaran depends on point of view and requirements..
19:41 segfault22 for now though, since I can't just go buy a bunch of fresh new hardware yet, either I'll just store the server and files on the older drive and back-up every day to the newer drive, or find some alternative software that can mirror the data without being rinky-dink like mdadm
19:42 segfault22 When I can afford to go buy fresh hardware, I'll build another system in a full ATX case using the PCI SATA RAID card I have and a compatible motherboard
19:44 segfault22 said ATX case will be from any old outdated system I can buy from a thrift store, because that is more reasonable than paying some $100+ for a metal box with a few plastic parts and a couple of drive cages
19:45 segfault22 then I can focus most of the budget on a motherboard, processor, cooling system, power supply, and so on
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19:46 segfault22 I would rather use this old dell system with a raid array though, because it can still be used and it works mostly, but I can't find a compatible card and the software array isn't working, and it might fail any time soon especially if it is run 23.75/7 dedicated
19:47 segfault22 24/7 system-runtime, 23.75/7 server-runtime
19:50 segfault22 I have the server properly compiled for this system (hopefully it works) and now I just have to finish my mods, grab some other mods that are necessary like worldedit and a true chunk-based (16^3 areas aligned perfectly with the true chunk boundaries) area-protection mod
19:51 segfault22 maybe a decent mob system that I can customize for the environment
19:54 segfault22 mdadm probably was good and worked fine in the past when stuff was simpler, but it hasn't been updated since ever and there's a whole bunch of crap built around it that interferes with its functionality and causes it to work improperly or not at all. Wikipedia even had to delete the section of their page about the "known issues" because too many people used it to solve their problems and told too many other people about it
19:55 segfault22 I don't have anything against the person or people who developed mdadm, but it obviously wasn't taken good care of since the last time it was updated
19:56 segfault22 not sure if I should upgrade all of my linux systems to the newer kernel that isn't listed in the linux mint update manager or synaptic package manager
19:57 agaran well I could try to help with mdadm.. for my needs it works..
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20:08 segfault22 Don't worry about it, there's probably something wrong either with the way I configured the system or I looked at it wrong when I was installing it, either way it doesn't really create an array after I issue the command and it actually says that it created the array successfully
20:09 agaran well it worked for me even configured during install when I had lvm over md over physical drives..
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20:09 segfault22 it doesn't put a device or anything at /dev/md0 or any /dev/md<#>, all devices and volumes and the file system are the same as they were before I even installed the program
20:10 segfault22 I can't use raid with the installation because I am keeping the OS separate from the storage drives
20:10 agaran did same.. just used expert mode..
20:11 segfault22 yes of course, so that you can configure the os to use raid, but that will not work for what I need.
20:11 agaran well but you should be able configure only OS drives and rest when it is installed..
20:12 segfault22 I need the raid array to be separate from the device on which the os is installed, and there is no way to configure a raid array during installation unless it's also the boot device
20:12 segfault22 boot device, os device, whatever
20:13 segfault22 the one with the os on it; the raid array has to be without any operating system at all to maximize the available space for storage of regular files
20:13 agaran dunno.. I was able to do it my way..
20:13 agaran but maybe it is because I use debian..
20:18 segfault22 yeah, that's probably it
20:19 segfault22 maybe I should switch to debian, and re-do everything I have done with ubuntu but instead the debian way
20:20 segfault22 if it would work, it's worth it, and I've got like 9 months of time for whatever so that's no problem
20:20 Calinou !server Calinou
20:20 MinetestBot Calinou: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 27/32, 23/31 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 10ms
20:20 Calinou wow
20:20 agaran dunno, but you may try at least for moment just to see if installer works better for yo, right?
20:20 agaran Calinou: congrats :)
20:21 segfault22 I need to be able to get a minimal server installation that only runs a command-line interface instead of the full window manager "and all of that crap"
20:21 agaran thats easy with debian..
20:22 segfault22 good
20:22 segfault22 I see there's a netinstall image that doesn't come with much and downloads all of the necessary files
20:22 agaran yes... that too
20:23 segfault22 can a minimal installation of the os fit into less than 8 GB?
20:23 Hijiri Nosrick: hey
20:23 Nosrick Hey Hijiri!
20:23 Nosrick What's up?
20:23 Hijiri I don't like your match 3 game's interface
20:23 Hijiri I think it would be better if you used buttons for the UI and tracked your own state instead of relying on inventories
20:24 Hijiri the swapping is buggy and you can swap even nonadjacent things
20:24 Hijiri it would be simpler to do the thing yourself rather than layer a hack on top of the inventory
20:25 Hijiri it may or may not help the crashes, because I don't know what causes them
20:25 Hijiri you just need a draw function to turn your game state into a formspec and some function to handle buttons
20:25 Hijiri button labels could have coordinates embedded, like thingy_0_5
20:26 Hijiri you could use that to check the pressed button
20:26 Hijiri you would have to cycle through the possible buttons but that is not really that expensive since it will only happen occasionally (when players click things)
20:27 segfault22 Nosrick isn't responding; maybe mad or something?
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20:27 Nosrick No, I was messing around with my mod, sorry.
20:27 segfault22 oh its fine
20:27 segfault22 don't be'
20:28 segfault22 I don't even know what the connect-3 is like
20:28 segfault22 ,atch 3
20:28 segfault22 matcg
20:28 Nosrick Hijiri, that was actually my other option. Also, it's meant to be a more free-form match-3
20:28 segfault22 matchj
20:28 Nosrick Puzzle and Dragon uses a similar system.
20:28 Hijiri oh, I see
20:29 segfault22 MATCH
20:29 Nosrick *applause*
20:29 Hijiri I think you should still use buttons though
20:29 Hijiri the way the selected item changes is odd
20:29 segfault22 I have to go for now,... I may be back later...
20:29 Nosrick Later, segfault22.
20:29 Hijiri by seggy
20:29 Hijiri bye*
20:29 Nosrick Yeah, I might re-write it to use buttons.
20:29 segfault22 thank y'all for feedback, for the help with stuff and for keeping me company
20:30 Hijiri I've never played PAD but I know it has microtransactions
20:30 Hijiri Nosrick: did you figure out where the minigame crashes were coming from?
20:30 Nosrick I've only played the 3DS version, so I didn't know it had microtransaction.
20:30 Nosrick Not really. :\
20:31 Nosrick Haven't had many logs.
20:31 Nosrick But I think I know what's causing it.
20:31 Nosrick Only one way to find out, though. And that's for multiplayer testing.
20:31 Hijiri tell people what to test
20:31 Hijiri your mod is on the serber
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20:40 Nosrick I don't think anyone's paying much attention to the thread.
20:46 Hijiri Nosrick: you can get on the server and tell them there
20:46 Nosrick I might do, actually.
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21:19 NoNamesLeft dev suggestion: ability to chat from server console
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21:28 Calinou NoNamesLeft: I believe you can enable ncurses console
21:28 Calinou and install a mod that allows you to broadcast to all players
21:29 NoNamesLeft Calinou, I'll look into it thanks
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22:23 Ronsor hey... so i'm looking for some people (non-griefers) to join my private server
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22:25 Ronsor hi rubenwardy
22:27 rubenwardy hi Ronsor
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