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00:05 Fixer_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN363k6nIUQ
00:05 Fixer_ lol, so drama
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00:40 MinetestBot [git] kahrl -> minetest/minetest: gettext.h: include <locale> before defining the gettext macro (#4452) cafa400 https://git.io/v6MH3 (2016-08-21T02:40:23+02:00)
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01:01 prrmypx who will save minetest
01:01 prrmypx and Rewrite It In Rust?
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02:03 XeonSquared *cue religious war*
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02:11 Chinchou That's the fifth one this week.
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02:29 DonBatman No religious war. Minetest is secular
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02:51 nolsen Excuse me, but I like to interject for a moment...
02:51 nolsen What you are refering to "Minetest", is actually GNU/Minetest.
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04:31 segfault22 I tried to set-up the machine that I will be using for my server
04:31 segfault22 There are a few problems though,...
04:34 segfault22 since the builtin graphics processor is pretty much dead, it fails to render the interface properly and I can't tell what I am doing. Some parts of the OS install process appear fine, because they use software rendering, but once it gets to the last part the whole screen becomes illegible
04:34 segfault22 I don't know what boot-option to use that will force software rendering, which is fine since it will be command-line-only version of ubuntu-server with only the stuff I need to run minetest-server and a few basic tools
04:35 segfault22 er, it is fine to use software rendering, but since I don't have a boot option to force it, I can't get there. And, it appears the RAID card is not being detected or there is some problem within it,...
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04:37 segfault22 does anyone know where I could get a really cheap grafix card? like from surplus or from an older system - it doesn't even need to handle 1GB video-memory, just about anything will do as long as it has a VGA output
04:38 swift110-phone hmm
04:38 segfault22 I tried searching the internet but everything is either too expensive or has that dumb DMS-59 connector that requires an adapter which "they" sell for as much or more than the card itself
04:38 swift110-phone gt 610
04:39 swift110-phone gtx 750 ti
04:39 segfault22 my budget is about $5 or $8 (not sure yet)
04:40 segfault22 thrift store "this one (computer) doesn't work, it's on discount" section maybe?
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04:42 segfault22 I would love to use the gt 610 or gtx 750, if I could get it for $5 but that's not possible until it becomes so outdated that standard video memory is measured in TB
04:43 segfault22 and standard hard drive storage measured in PB
04:45 nolbby I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Minetest, is in fact, GNU/Minetest, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Minetest. Minetest is not a game unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU games made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital OpenGL components comprising a full Game as defined by OpenGL. Many computer
04:45 nolbby users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it.
04:45 nolbby er
04:45 nolbby dammit
04:47 swift110-phone lol
04:47 swift110-phone how long you been using minetest
04:51 segfault22 Minetest is still Minetest without GNU; we design the software/code around a structured concept, said concept defining how the game works on the inside and how it is used by the users. We could hire a bunch of hackers to build the whole software system, including a new programming language, and make the entire system proprietary if we wanted, and it would still be minetest, so long as it implements the same interfaces and is used the same by the use
04:51 segfault22 r.
04:52 segfault22 it wouldn't be nise to make it closed-source, but it would still be Minetest.
04:52 segfault22 nice
04:53 segfault22 this is why you can play Minetest on a rinky-dink android-fone, on the same server as someone who's playing Minetest on a Dell laptop at school through tor with a bridge.
04:54 segfault22 the code system has to be almost entirely different, but the interface is the same because it is entirely an extension of... the underlying structured concept
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04:56 nolbby segfault22: I just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as GNU, is in fact, GNU/GNU, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus GNU.
04:57 segfault22 I wasn't talking about the code base. So it is GNU
04:57 nolbby You don't get the joke.
04:57 segfault22 it's not funny
04:57 nolbby Actually, it is.
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04:58 nolbby In your opinion, it isn't :3
04:58 segfault22 why tf can't I find a grafix-card on eBay for $5 or less that has a VGA port
04:59 segfault22 my monitor doesn't have a DVI port or HDMI port
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05:00 segfault22 why doesn't eBay let you specify shipping price for search results
05:01 segfault22 why this, why that, why wiffle-ball-bat
05:03 segfault22 Dell grafix card, 16MB price: $5 shipping: $67
05:03 segfault22 ./nope
05:05 segfault22 eBay should automatically reject sellers' posting items for whic hthe shipping is higher than the price of the item, except for bulk materials that are cheap or anything else not having a relatively high value-density relative to, say, clay for example
05:07 segfault22 I hate seeing that ugly DMS-59 connector, I will never buy anything with that ugly thing on it
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05:21 segfault22 How can I force software-rendering via a boot option, for a basic command-line-only ubuntu/ubuntu-server installation?
05:23 segfault22 Is there even such an option? I know it's possible, and this would afford me to avoid buying a graphics card to replace the failing builtin-grafix-chip insert-stupid-brandname-here-(tm) super-9000-X-plutonium-edition
05:35 swift110-phone hmm
05:47 segfault22 I'm kinda sorry I insulted all smart-phone users by calling it a "rinky-dink-fone",...
05:48 segfault22 but not really because that flash-storage chip is gonna fail so badly after just a few years of usage, it's not even funny
05:48 segfault22 everspin FTW
05:51 Hirato I guess the flash storage had a..... segfault! yeaaaaaaaaaaah!
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05:51 segfault22 xD
05:51 Hirato I don't think minetest has a software renderer, if you're on Loonix, you can probably force llvmpipe and friends
05:52 segfault22 that actually is funny; that was the most funny thing that entered my mind all day
05:52 segfault22 I'm not going to be software-rendering the game, just a ubuntu-Server to run the minetest-Server and a few bash scripts
05:53 Hirato do you really need a GUI for that?
05:53 segfault22 Only as fas as a CLI is a "GUI"
05:56 segfault22 I wish there was a boot-option to force software-rendering mode and bypass the "vid-e-0 chip of doom 9000" entirely without "just" getting an el-cheapo bargin'-grafix-card to replace it
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06:09 agaran segfault22: is there 'expert install' mode?
06:10 segfault22 yes
06:10 segfault22 but I'm no expert yet,...
06:10 agaran but as far as I remember expert install was textmode, at least in debian
06:10 agaran I never use normal..
06:12 agaran but I use debian
06:13 segfault22 cool; but for some reason at the end it still tries to use the builtin grafix chip, and the screen is black and flashes white for a few seconds every few seconds; there is some kind of error message but it flashes so fast that I can't read it (it's on the edge of the white-screen, and it's like it's moving past really fast, so you can only see it when it goes from white to black)
06:14 segfault22 either I have to find a grafix card for < or = $5 including shipping, or add an unknown boot option to force software rendering "anyways because-I-said-so-thats-why"-style
06:15 agaran if it is ubuntu installer what flashes then you should be able to do that indeed, or enforce any other low-graphic mode
06:16 segfault22 I don't have access to any list of boot options which includes an entry for software rendering mode
06:17 agaran so it is machine bios what has problem.. you are sure that addon gfx is properly seated? usually onboard gpu gets disabled when you place addon gfx
06:18 segfault22 I don't /have/ a graphics card yet
06:18 segfault22 sorry
06:18 agaran ah.. so you can't enter to bios?
06:19 agaran it is desktop dell right?
06:19 Calinou <swift110-phone> gtx 750 ti
06:20 Calinou I find it weird how AAA gamers can afford GTX 1070s or 1080s
06:20 Calinou whereas some open source gamers can barely afford a GT 610 ._.
06:21 segfault22 It is a dell,... I don't think the GPU is totally dead, or the BIOS is using software rendering, because I can enter the BIOS, go to boot menu, select the USB-flashdrive, try to install, and get to the last part (where it transitions to some other mode, before finally installing) before the graphics goes crazy
06:21 segfault22 I can only afford a $5 graphics card, and that's using survey-money...
06:21 agaran ah, got ya, then put that pendrive to other machine where you have already linux and look if there is isolinux.cfg or like
06:22 agaran or it has grub installed?
06:22 agaran it seems to be problem with bootloader there, not even installer..
06:22 segfault22 The usb drive is the minimal ubuntu install image (~52MB)
06:23 agaran so it has grub/isolinux or like
06:23 segfault22 It should; why?
06:24 agaran because days when kernel could be loaded by writing it directly from sector zero of drive are long gone..
06:24 segfault22 okay
06:25 agaran bios can only execute common routines, that is bootloader, which is supposed to load operating system them switch control to it.. it is rather complex process even if seems short and easy
06:27 segfault22 Okay, I should probably clarify - the installation doesn't get a chance to try to boot, I'm pretty sure it doesn't even finish installing. The problem happens somewhere between the last part of the installation and the "done, time to reboot" screen... The bios is switching control properly, so the problem it probably not in the bios
06:28 agaran but installer is booting and doing something?
06:30 segfault22 Yes, I get to the point where it's supposed to be writing partition changes to the disk, and it appears to do that fine; then it proceeds with the rest of the installation, and it cuts out somewhere between there and the "done" screen
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06:31 agaran well I never used ubuntu.. I am fine with debian.. but repartitioning is very early part of install, before anything gets installed on drive in debian.
06:31 segfault22 I haven't tried it without this new SATA RAID card, though,... maybe that was the problem, even though it didn't detect it as a drive (and I thought it was ignoring it - main drive is 120GB at "sdb", RAID drives are 160GB and not mounted)
06:32 agaran I'd try to remove and try again..
06:32 segfault22 the BIOS says the third PCI slot is populated with a device "mass storage", but that's all it says about that
06:32 agaran bios has own perspective, booted installer own.. they might not always match..
06:33 segfault22 I have to wait until tomorrow, then, because everyone else in the house is asleep, and the server system has a hotwired fan (onboard fan controller failed) that is really loud
06:34 agaran I see
06:34 agaran if it does stop before writing parition table changes on any 'press button' then you can try alt-ctrl-f1 to f8 to see if there is textmode messages console
06:34 agaran and see whats there.. there maybe some clue
06:35 segfault22 Thank you for trying to help me with this,... your feedback has been very beneficial even if I haven't solved the "main" problem yet, and you should then be partly responsible for my server coming online some-day sooner than some later date
06:35 segfault22 thank you, I didn't know about the console thing being accessible via alt-ctrl-f(n)
06:36 agaran it maybe not exactly console, just plaintext vt with debugging output..
06:36 agaran still it may has some info
06:36 segfault22 okay, cool
06:37 segfault22 I will try to install without the SATA RAID card, and if it still fails, I will try to look at the debug output. If it is successful, then I will turn it off, put the card in, and boot it again and start the process of solving the next problem
06:38 agaran I would try installing debian simply
06:39 agaran textmode install with expert mode is not really that hard..
06:39 segfault22 okay
06:39 agaran and it does not touch gpu at all using plaintext 80x25 console
06:39 agaran we are using that when installing over serial even..
06:39 agaran or via video redirection/kvm
06:40 segfault22 cool,.. by textmode do you mean the resulting installed OS will boot and load a command-line-interface without window manager and "all of that stuff"? or does that have to be configured
06:41 agaran yep
06:41 segfault22 okay, good
06:41 agaran you can install no X support as well
06:41 agaran but whole installation process is done in textmode.. so even 200% borkbork broken gpu can handle that if can handle bios displaying
06:42 agaran I usually do that, install ssh then configuration is done after initial install with ssh connection.. too lazy to change seats..
06:43 segfault22 good, that is exactly what I need. Then I can just put the minetest-server in the system, some bash scripts for tasks like regular backups and resource overload detection, and other misc stuff that may be needed
06:43 agaran yep..
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07:00 segfault22 maybe I should work on my mod some more,...
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07:02 swift110-phone what mod is it
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07:03 segfault22 resources mod, or just "res"
07:03 segfault22 it's not officially released yet, but it's on github
07:03 segfault22 I'm rewriting it entirely so the code there is old
07:04 IhrFussel Okay so now I disabled all mods (except default ones), disabled other scripts running on the server and even recompiled the game...and no matter what players experience server lag spikes
07:04 swift110-phone oh ok
07:05 segfault22 Maybe it's your ISP throttling the connection, faulty DSLAM on the line, or your router is overheating, or a bird is pecking the optical converter box down the street
07:05 IhrFussel segfault22, it's a V Server c onnection is 1gbit/s I can do a speed test one sec
07:07 segfault22 Is a home ADSL connection not sufficient for a server? like 25Mb/s download-side
07:07 segfault22 because that's what I'm going to use
07:07 IhrFussel It should... I just downloaded 1 GB 62,9MB/s   in 27s
07:10 IhrFussel segfault22, a few months ago I ran a MT server on my home PC with ADSL 16mbit/s and 15 players online...there was barely any lag
07:10 segfault22 Cool
07:11 segfault22 That is good news, since I don't expect nearly that many players
07:11 IhrFussel But you should look at the conf file...limit the block sends per client and total block sends and max packets per iteration
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07:16 IhrFussel My lags seem to be caused by CPU Usage...it was at 40% for Minetest and a lag happened
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07:16 agaran IhrFussel: thats why I guess if there any chance that other instance of server on same physical machine causes cpu congestion and causes lag..
07:17 IhrFussel agaran, hey =) well I only run one instance and the CPU Usage is only at 40% or more for a second maybe..after that it goes down to 10%
07:18 agaran IhrFussel: I mean other vps on same physical machine.. you said it is vserver
07:18 agaran and some providers do cpu overbooking too..
07:19 IhrFussel Oh...no it shows the % in top I don't think it shows the usage of other users on the vserver network
07:19 agaran it does not
07:19 agaran you have pie called cpu, you get slice of it not full..
07:19 agaran as long your slice is big, and minetest eats only part of that slice it works well
07:20 agaran but if other things in other vservers on same cpu get bigger slices, your gets thinner
07:20 IhrFussel AFAIK the full server has 10 cores and 2 are mine plus 2 GB RAM guaranteed..upt to 4GB (depending on others)
07:20 agaran top shows relative usage to 100% of cpu you see, but does not show if max lowers
07:20 agaran hmm memory balooning can be slow too
07:21 agaran also top shows % to summed up cpus, so 40% mean one loaded to 80%..
07:22 IhrFussel It's not the RAM it says minetest uses 15% memory right now and CPU is between 5 and 10 % ... but sometimes it suddenly spikes to 30 or 40 and causes a lag I guess
07:23 swift110-phone wow
07:23 IhrFussel It must be something that only happens in certain situations since it's no constant lag
07:25 IhrFussel My bash scripts use 0.1% CPU those cannot be the reason
07:25 agaran na, thats unlikely
07:26 IhrFussel But it has to be something that only happens after certain time periods...but not related to mods
07:26 agaran but see 40% usage of cpu is average integrated over 1 s.. or maybe 10s.. peak usage could be higher, thinking how to detect this
07:27 agaran hmm.. do you run minetest on default nice level or not?
07:27 IhrFussel I would say it HAS to be part of minetest since top only says Minetest uses 40% sometimes...all other processes use less than 5%
07:28 IhrFussel I run it as normal nice level
07:29 agaran cat /proc/$(pidof minetestserver)/sched
07:29 agaran what does this say?
07:30 IhrFussel Gives a long list, any important value?
07:30 agaran se.sum_exec_runtime                          :         44998.587493
07:31 segfault22 minetest-game is so bloated I'm going to have to spend a long time gutting it before I can get it "right" for my server
07:31 IhrFussel e.sum_exec_runtime: 2626.646274
07:31 agaran you restarted recently?
07:32 IhrFussel Yeah I recompiled it about 10 hours ago
07:32 agaran still not big value then..
07:32 agaran mine has about 3days uptime and no user there..
07:32 IhrFussel Or wait
07:33 IhrFussel 2016-08-20 22:50:15: [Main]: Using world specified by --worldname on the command line
07:33 IhrFussel Now it's 2016-08-21 09:33
07:34 agaran hmm so indeed like 10h, I'd try nice level to -10 then
07:35 IhrFussel This error messages looks weird "2016-08-20 21:47:08: ERROR[Server]: /home/minetest/minetest/src/server.cpp:73: virtual void* ServerThread::run(): A fatal error occured: Failed to save block: disk I/O error"
07:36 agaran this look scary
07:36 agaran look in 'dmesg' output for any IO errors reported?
07:38 IhrFussel Nope last error in dmesg was Aug 6 OOM-Killer
07:39 agaran oh, OOM mean somethng got very mem hungry..
07:39 agaran was it minetest?
07:39 IhrFussel Nope it says bash and a few of them were script bugs that should be solved now
07:40 agaran how did you manage to get bash eat that much mem?:)
07:40 segfault22 by using it to start minetest, possibly?
07:40 IhrFussel For example by forgetting to end a loop and loop the script instead again and again xD
07:40 segfault22 oh yeah, or that
07:42 IhrFussel Maybe the v server needs a reboot? I didn't do one since I got it..uptime is 105 days
07:42 agaran my vps has.. 09:41:22 up 538 days, 22:00,  5 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
07:43 agaran I'd try to figure out why minetest got IO error for a first.. that is ODD
07:45 agaran because if io would occur on hdd level, you would have it in dmesg..
07:50 IhrFussel Lol is Krock on my server? At least someone named as him
07:51 IhrFussel 2016-08-21 09:51:36: WARNING[Server]: active block modifiers took 295ms (longer than 200ms)
07:52 agaran that means lot of ABM..
07:52 agaran like growing saplings, and whatever else you have enabled now
07:54 IhrFussel THAT must be the reason
07:54 IhrFussel 2016-08-21 09:16:16: WARNING[Server]: active block modifiers took 597ms (longer than 200ms)
07:54 agaran but then finding what ABMs they are may be more problematic..
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07:57 IhrFussel There is no way to remove all ABMs right?
07:58 agaran then many things will not wrok at all
07:59 agaran for trees and such you can make interval bigger, as it will not ruin things too much, not sure what else mod on your server uses abm
07:59 segfault22 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSjj1hcUkAAOMuC.jpg
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08:00 Krock IhrFussel, your server has some broken skins
08:01 segfault22 okay I gotta go now; thank y'all for giving me feedback and helping with dealing with my server system's problems
08:01 segfault22 we need a central skins server so players can upload their skin to "the site" and use it on any server
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08:42 shamoanjac and it should be referred to as The Site
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08:51 Chinchou Site 67
08:54 swift110-phone h
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08:56 swift110-phone ok
08:58 Nosrick Morning folks
09:03 agaran Hello
09:04 shamoanjac yo
09:07 shamoanjac /mode +b *
09:07 shamoanjac oops
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09:16 Nosrick I'm thinking about writing some sort of books API for modders, so they can include instruction manuals with their mods.
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09:20 namach anyone familiar with HV Warper/Receiver?
09:21 namach question: why 2 batboxes (each 1200000 power, total 2400000 power) cannot power an HV Warper (requires 1900000 power)
09:30 Nosrick Hey shamoanjac, did you get a chance to fuck around with my mod?
09:39 shamoanjac not yet
09:39 shamoanjac I was very tired yesterday
09:41 Nosrick I forgive you.
09:41 shamoanjac reee dependencies
09:41 Nosrick How're your mods coming along?
09:41 Nosrick Yeah, it has a lot.
09:41 shamoanjac well I am adding faction chests + doors
09:42 Nosrick Nice.
09:42 Nosrick I've tried to make as many soft dependencies as possible, but there are two hard dependencies.
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09:59 shamoanjac I think I'll test your mod when I get home then
09:59 shamoanjac my laptop is a mess
09:59 shamoanjac more mods will just kill my /home/
10:00 shamoanjac tho wait
10:00 shamoanjac nvm I'm saying dumb stuff
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10:12 shamoanjac Nosrick, where can I find the playereffects mod?
10:14 Nosrick https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=9689
10:14 Nosrick shamoanjac, ^
10:16 shamoanjac thanks
10:23 shamoanjac Nosrick, your mod tries to open api/extensions/PlayerEffects.lua
10:23 shamoanjac yet the file is api/extensions/playereffects.lua
10:23 Nosrick Woops!
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10:26 Nosrick Fixed it, will be in the next push.
10:26 agaran IhrFussel: about?
10:28 agaran does chat in minetest have ability to mute people you don't want to hear?
10:30 shamoanjac it needs it badly
10:30 agaran tell me more..
10:30 shamoanjac I think the IRC mod has /ignore, but I'm not sure
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11:40 Krock agaran, http://i.imgur.com/myZ8u0P.png something built in a few hours after joining the server the first time :3
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11:42 agaran Krock: looks nice, I just dug down.. then settled when I found first lava lake
11:42 Krock uh nice
11:43 agaran I am there for maybe 2 days so not much build..
11:51 agaran Krock: so there nobody actually digs stuff all request items from bot or moderators?
11:51 Krock I think so yes :(
11:51 Krock and the lucky blocks give you everything important
11:52 agaran meh, so my effort to make all by digging.. kinda pointless
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12:12 resident anyone wanna play survival?
12:13 resident very bored
12:13 resident don't wanna play alone
12:14 resident don't wanna play on public servers either because too much stuff already built
12:14 Fixer go to @test@
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12:17 resident how is that a server without stuff already built
12:24 IhrFussel agaran, no players only get SOME item types via command or from moderators..in the past players could request anything via !need ITEMNAME AMOUNT but I restricted it now a lot...only basic nodes work anymore like dirt,wood,stone etc
12:25 agaran IhrFussel: ah, I see, I never used it so far :)
12:25 IhrFussel And lucky blocks rarely drop something special like a diamondblock or goldblock
12:26 agaran saw them existing but..
12:26 IhrFussel If you feel like a certain item drops too often you can tell me and I will reduce its frequency or remove it completely, no problem
12:27 agaran I never got lucky blocks yet so..
12:27 IhrFussel You can get them via "LB" in chat no /
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12:28 agaran didn't knew that :)
12:28 IhrFussel I already restricted the command..before players could get 30 lucky blocks per 3 minutes now 25 per 5 minutes
12:29 agaran hmm, I still have creative so I can look at them easilly..
12:29 IhrFussel Yes creative players are only moderators + a few I trust a lot
12:30 agaran well aside of LB testing I don't need it really, I can dig my own hole ;)
12:31 IhrFussel The other players need to type LB or if they want more spend steel ingots..those are the money on my server
12:31 agaran not slimmy mudhole, rather warm one.. I found lava lake nearby
12:32 IhrFussel Haha :D Every player can get 50 steel ingots per 6 hours...they can spend them in shops at the cities (!locations)
12:32 IhrFussel To go to a city simply type it's name like LB without /
12:33 agaran heh.. I never saw any of them.. I made pick out of wood.. dug stone.. then dug iron and it went from that
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12:34 IhrFussel You don't have to buy items...it's just the "lazy" way but since players only have X steel ingots they need to think about what they need next
12:35 agaran heh..
12:36 IhrFussel All the cities you see with !locations are created by players...and any player can request to add their city to the list
12:36 resident let me know if anyone wants to play survival
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12:37 agaran hmm I put LB and sometking killed me..
12:38 IhrFussel My server was an attempt to combine various play styles in one...PvE, PvP, lucky blocks and building
12:38 IhrFussel Maybe an explosion?
12:39 agaran could be, is that possible result of lucky block?
12:39 IhrFussel Yes..lucky blocks have troll blocks that explode after 1 sec
12:41 agaran heh it dropped blue sheep
12:41 agaran and red
12:45 IhrFussel Well either the player is lucky...or not so lucky :D That makes lucky blocks also kinda a risk
12:45 agaran yep, I get idea, but what is use of rails?
12:47 IhrFussel Rails?
12:47 agaran like for carts
12:47 IhrFussel Oh the server has carts type !carts
12:49 IhrFussel They are sometimes a bit buggy and get stuck mid-air or inside a wall...but most of the time they work just fine
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12:51 agaran so far from usefull things, gold block, some bronze tools, wodden armor
12:55 IhrFussel agaran, the blue ones are useless (in case you didn't figure out yet xD)
12:55 agaran I havent tried them, so far trying to utilize 99 LB and not die too much
12:56 IhrFussel Is the LBA still usable?
12:56 agaran looks more like crater region but still workable
12:57 IhrFussel Lol usually a moderator cleans it up every few hours...I wonder where they are
12:58 IhrFussel So do you want me to revoke the creative priv?
12:58 agaran I don't need them so your call :)
12:59 IhrFussel Okay then let me know if you need it again
12:59 agaran sure,
13:00 IhrFussel Is the lag okay right now?
13:00 agaran 2.41 but workable LB sometimes open with delay but I guess it is just code in them
13:01 IhrFussel Oh yes some "chances" have a delay built-in for some reason
13:02 IhrFussel Maybe to increase the surprise-effect haha
13:03 agaran heh, saw something looking like nyan cat then it exploded
13:03 IhrFussel That is a troll block...I had quite a few players complaining about that before
13:06 IhrFussel Server spits out every 5 - 10 minutes "active block modifiers took too long"
13:06 agaran quite often
13:07 IhrFussel But it got a bit better..before the restart it took up to 700ms...now the maximum is 400ms
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13:08 IhrFussel So since it's the ABMs I think all the mods that use them add up to the lag
13:09 agaran yup,
13:10 IhrFussel My mods contain "register_abm" 23 times...
13:11 IhrFussel So...only solution is edit each mod file and increase the interval?
13:11 agaran hmm, yes probably, also I think it more matters how many blocks like that are affected than how many abms is there
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13:19 IhrFussel agaran, but what I edit now will only affect the ABM cycles NOW..what about the older ones that were registered in the past? Or does the game remove older ones?
13:19 agaran they are evaluated when mod loads so they will affect objects in world too afaik as defintions come from mod, else you would not have unknown blocks after disabling mod
13:20 IhrFussel Hmm but does disabling a mod also disable all ABMs it registered?
13:20 agaran yes
13:25 agaran well, so far LB provided lots of shovels..
13:26 agaran lava orb
13:28 IhrFussel Well I'll try to edit those now...and yes lavaorbs are useless right now...I thought about adding lavaorb-tools but I have no textures :/
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13:28 agaran they look nice at least in inventory
13:29 IhrFussel That's true the textures of them are nice
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13:32 agrecascino i fucked up my install of opensuse
13:32 agrecascino and are perpretually running out of disk space
13:32 agrecascino fuck btrfs
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13:35 agaran IhrFussel: you are trying to reduce abm load so I guess restart will be happening?
13:35 IhrFussel agaran, understanding ABMs is not so easy..so should I focus on ABMs with very low intervals?
13:36 IhrFussel Yeah after I edited the ABMs I will do a restart
13:36 agaran I think more on abms that have both not-so-big interval/chance and lots of blocks
13:38 Fixer holy shit tumblr is taking my core i3 3.3 Ghz to eats knees
13:38 IhrFussel Is 15 for interval?
13:38 IhrFussel low*
13:38 agaran if not many block then not, if for default:cobble.. then killer
13:39 IhrFussel Itemframes
13:39 agaran too bad you can't at runtime peek how many kicks of particular abm was scored..
13:39 agaran hmm never knew it has any abm.. nor never used itemframe..
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13:40 agaran what mod it is?
13:40 IhrFussel itemframes
13:40 agaran git sourced or else? I need to dl it to see code..
13:40 Fixer agaran: you can
13:41 agaran Fixer: how?
13:41 Fixer agaran: new mod profiler, it has reset and save cmds
13:41 IhrFussel https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5600
13:42 agaran Fixer: only in dev?
13:42 Fixer agaran: yes
13:42 Fixer agaran: before that you need to label your abm of course
13:42 agaran I am fine with labeling abm too, just need an way for 0.4.14
13:43 Fixer agaran: win or lin?
13:43 agaran linux of course..
13:43 Fixer you can compile a binary yourself, it should not be that hard
13:44 Fixer it is much harder to do in win then in linux
13:44 Fixer than*
13:44 agaran ... I know, I want avoid recompiling..
13:44 agaran I have way too many self compiled things to keep up..
13:46 agaran IhrFussel: if your entity removal time is >15 then you may be fine with increasing interval a bit...
13:47 IhrFussel Entity removal time? Not sure what you mean
13:48 agaran if you drop item it gets removed after some time..
13:48 agaran I think pedestals are affected by this time..
13:48 IhrFussel Oh I set that to 120
13:48 agaran i mean item made by them is removed after a while and they create it again.. so imo try increasing that to 30-45
13:49 IhrFussel Does change = 1 mean it will always fire?
13:49 IhrFussel chance*
13:49 agaran Krock: how you are supposed to wear armor in that 2x3 place to make it look correctly on person?
13:49 agaran IhrFussel: yes
13:50 Krock agaran, that's not possible. the shield will always be hidden by the leggins
13:50 agaran Krock: ah.. ok so not my fault
13:51 IhrFussel agaran, the homedecor mod has some ABMs that fire every 1-2 seconds
13:51 agaran but that also depends what they do..
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13:52 IhrFussel For example coffee maker sound...I will increase that interval a bit
13:54 IhrFussel Wait so higher chance means less likely to fire??
13:54 agaran yes
13:54 IhrFussel That is confusing
13:54 Krock IhrFussel, the chance acts like a multiplicator of "interval". It makes the stuff random
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13:54 IhrFussel Krock, yes but usually one would think a chance of 1 is of course less likely than a chance of 2
13:55 resident anyone wanna play survival now
13:55 Megaf !server Megaf
13:55 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
13:56 Megaf MinetestBot: you've been very unresponsive latelly
13:56 Megaf Hi all
13:56 Megaf !kick MinetestBot
13:56 Megaf sfan5: ^
13:56 resident does minetest has a github repo
13:56 Megaf hello MinetestBot
13:56 MinetestBot Hey Megaf!
13:56 Megaf he is not working anymore
13:56 agaran hi Megaf, how goes?
13:56 Megaf resident: yep
13:57 Megaf resident: github.com/minetest/minetest
13:57 Megaf resident: github.com/minetest/minetest_game
13:57 Megaf both
13:57 Megaf agaran: I'm doing well, working out right now :)
13:57 Megaf IRCing in the intervals beetween sets
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14:02 Megaf working out with Daft Punk as soundtrack, that's cool
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14:08 Krock IhrFussel, would you please be so nice and fix that "Tada" sound volume when someone leveled up?
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14:13 IhrFussel Krock, too loud? I always use headphones maybe it's louder via speakers
14:14 Krock IhrFussel, it's about two times as loud as the digging and sent to everybody on the server
14:14 Krock I think this notification is only relevant for the player
14:14 Krock ..who leveled up
14:15 IhrFussel Krock, well no it is meant as a sound for everyone...you can disable the login/logout and levelup sounds with !off ... I can reduce the volume though
14:16 Krock thanks god for !off
14:17 Fixer_ Krock: NSA safe :trollface: oh wait
14:18 IhrFussel agaran, I increased all interval 1 to interval 2 and some others even more
14:19 Krock also, filled a whole chest with steel and bronze pickaxes... I won't have ever trouble with mining
14:19 IhrFussel Made the sound 25% lower
14:19 Krock :D
14:19 agaran I got more shovels than pickaxes..
14:19 IhrFussel Krock, do you think increasing the ABM intervals via minetest.conf helps too with lag?
14:20 * Megaf how long will that server last
14:20 Megaf wonder*
14:20 Krock it would delay the lag
14:20 IhrFussel That's not what I want...I'd like to eliminate it
14:21 Fixer_ "videogames don't make us violent, lag does"
14:21 Krock lol
14:21 * Megaf agrees
14:21 Megaf !server Fussel
14:21 MinetestBot Megaf: IhrFussel's Server | 81.169.215.250:25000 | Clients: 21/35, 13/28 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 16ms
14:21 Krock IhrFussel, nothing against lag problem but you sohuld increase the lucky blocks delay
14:21 Megaf 21 players :S
14:22 Krock got over two stacks of them now and filled all my chests (even with skipping the armor)
14:23 IhrFussel Oh you mean the cooldown for the command?
14:23 agaran and perhaps reduce amount of them you get..
14:24 Krock yes, the colldown time
14:25 Krock and the area is somewhat nuked
14:25 IhrFussel Changed from 25 every 5 minutes to 20 every 8 minutes
14:25 Nosrick Quick question: why would my HUD (both text and hudbars) overlap each other instead of updating?
14:25 Krock mhm okay
14:26 IhrFussel If no moderator joins I'll have to clean that
14:30 IhrFussel Nosrick, did you use the change HUD function?
14:30 Nosrick I did.
14:30 Nosrick But it's suddenly like it's doing an add, instead of an update.
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14:35 Nosrick It's doing it with both hudbars and vanilla HUD.
14:43 Nosrick Turns out I was calling hud_add twice. I'm dumb.
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15:05 Nosrick Why does my formspec suddenly stop receiving fields once I've pushed a button?
15:05 Nosrick When I push a button, then push a second button nothing happens.
15:07 Fixer_ what crap is this? https://i.imgur.com/KuUW3fk.png
15:08 Nosrick Woah, spambots.
15:10 Krock random namegen
15:11 Krock and broken encoding
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15:16 Nosrick All of my formspecs have stopped updating.
15:17 Nosrick After the first button press/inventory move, the form stops updating completely.
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15:28 Nosrick So I've got them updating, but how do you get the player of a formspec that is shown through show_formspec?
15:32 Nosrick Krock, any ideas?
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15:34 Krock on button press?
15:35 Nosrick Yeah. I've got a formspec shown through show_formspec with a button on it, and when the button is pressed, apparently the sender is nil.
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15:36 Krock that can't be
15:36 Nosrick Yeah, that was my exact reaction. :P
15:36 Krock check if it's the correct formname
15:38 Nosrick Yup, correct formname.
15:38 Nosrick Just no sender.
15:40 Krock you're using "minetest.register_on_player_r​eceive_fields(function(sender, formname, fields)", right?
15:41 Nosrick Not quite. I'm going minetest.register_on_player_receive​_fields(playerMirrorForm.getFields)
15:41 Nosrick Which has a header of function wizardMirrorForm.getFields(pos, formname, fields, sender)
15:41 Nosrick The parameters match the on_receive_fields function.
15:42 Krock no they don't match
15:42 Krock sender is now pos
15:42 Krock and your sender param is nil, for sure.
15:43 Nosrick Ah, I see.
15:43 Krock Lua does not care if you sorted the params in another way. the params are filled with values from left to right
15:44 Nosrick Plus I've got an extra one.
15:44 Krock yes, it will be nil.
15:45 Krock if it's bound to a position you can simply create a table with the player name as index
15:45 Nosrick Where on earth did I get pos, formname, fields, sender from? :S
15:45 Krock and set the value to the last known node pos
15:45 agrecascino does udp packet loss, cause random connection time outs?
15:46 agrecascino i have no idea why i added that comma
15:46 Krock agrecascino, yeah when the packets have a too high delay it can't really communicate well anymore
15:46 Krock Let's eat grandma!
15:46 Krock Commas save lifes
15:47 agrecascino Nosrick, i added MoMtest to my server
15:47 Nosrick Oh god
15:47 Nosrick WHY
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15:47 Nosrick But thank you
15:47 agrecascino Nosrick, ?
15:48 Krock agrecascino, funny thing is that I lost like 10 packets per second and somewhen my router/wifi crashed. It didn't result in any timeouts in-game
15:48 Krock Nosrick, are you new to Lua?
15:48 Nosrick Yeah, I am.
15:48 Krock (maybe I'm asking this the 2nd time, dunno)
15:48 agrecascino mruby for minetest 2016!
15:48 Nosrick agrecascino, it's still in VERY early stages, but I'm glad someone likes it.
15:48 Nosrick You'll want to update it once I do this next push.
15:49 Krock BTW, WHY IS CAPS SOMETIMES FORBIDDEN EVEN WHEN THE KEYBOARD HAS THEM PRINTED IN CAPITALS? STUPID WORLD
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15:54 Nosrick rubenwardy!
15:56 rubenwardy hi Nosrick
15:56 agrecascino do you guys think that the lua interpreter is fast enough to decode a 32 channel xm file?
16:05 agaran depends on how fast cpu you run it on?
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16:19 hwittaker What is a minetest?
16:20 Void7 ?
16:20 resident bitcoin mining
16:20 resident test
16:20 resident it's a tool that determines how potent your gpu is
16:20 hwittaker Is that a joke reply or a real one?
16:20 resident real
16:21 hwittaker How can there be GPU mining of Bitcoin in 2016?
16:21 hwittaker I thought that became infeasible in 2012 or something.
16:21 hwittaker Or earlier.
16:21 xunto hwittaker: why don't you read description on website or github?
16:21 sfan5 gpu bitcoin mining was still feasible in 2013
16:21 xunto Your question is just to strange
16:21 hwittaker Okay, so you lied.
16:21 hwittaker It's Minecraft something.
16:21 xunto So it foreces us to joke
16:21 xunto hwittaker: kinda
16:22 resident kinda?
16:22 resident it's a clone
16:22 resident of minecraft
16:22 xunto I don't agree :D
16:22 Void7 what is this "node"? i'm looking at the wiki and I can't find anything
16:22 Void7 is minetest like a tree or something?
16:22 xunto Void7: lol
16:22 hwittaker How come everyone who is a great coder needs to make a Minecraft clone? I know it's a very attractive idea, but it's sort of ruined by the fact that that smug Notch guy got first.
16:22 xunto resident: so any voxel based game is minecraft clone?
16:23 xunto Minecraft wasn't even first :/
16:23 rubenwardy blatant troll detected
16:23 resident minetest is a minecraft clone
16:23 resident this is so obvious that i can just repeat this sentence as an argument
16:23 Void7 minecraft is an infiniminer clone
16:23 xunto hwittaker: minecraft is proprietarty and lack of modding api
16:24 xunto resident: ok, I don't care.
16:24 resident wow why so passive
16:24 agaran do not feed trolls.
16:24 xunto Because it doesn't even matter.
16:24 resident true
16:25 hwittaker How come there are mods for Minecraft if it has no modding API?
16:25 xunto hwittaker: illegal decompilations
16:26 rubenwardy I wouldn't call mods for Minecraft real mods, they're patches of the source code
16:26 rubenwardy unless you use forge or whatever it's called
16:26 est31 They are "mods" in the "modification" sense
16:27 est31 not in the plugin sense that minetest has
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16:28 xunto hwittaker: anyway, I like the idea I can make mintest better by my hands. Fix bugs and etc. With minecraft I have no way to do that.
16:28 kaen does anyone know how to get the node position that a player is looking at?
16:28 hwittaker Does it support VR?
16:28 est31 hwittaker, yes
16:28 hwittaker Cool. Might try it with my HTC Vive, assuming it's supported.
16:29 est31 hwittaker, there is no super native oculus support but VR as in "display two images next to each other" is supported
16:29 est31 with a custom setting
16:30 hwittaker Not sure how my Vive would make those two images into one unless the game supports it natively.
16:30 hwittaker There may be programs that hook into it or something, but that doesn't feel very solid.
16:30 xunto It supports anaglyph as VR)
16:30 sfan5 kaen: with lua?
16:30 kaen :v
16:30 kaen well yeah
16:30 kaen I mean, I know how to calculate it with the eye offset, lookdir, player position, and a intersection test. But I was hoping someone had already done that?
16:31 est31 Its called 3d_mode
16:31 sfan5 why would you want to calculate it?
16:31 kaen I don't really want to calculate it, I just want to know it
16:31 kaen for a helper function for extracting schematics.
16:32 est31 hwittaker, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blo​b/master/minetest.conf.example#L536-L545
16:32 est31 see that link
16:32 sfan5 kaen: generally when callbacks fire you sometimes get a pointed_thing object which tells you what the player is pointing at
16:32 kaen this is running from a chatcommand
16:32 sfan5 not sure whether you can also fetch it just normally
16:32 kaen yeah doesn't sound like it
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16:33 kaen no obvious place in the api
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16:33 kaen looks like I'm writing an intersection test
16:34 sfan5 nah
16:34 sfan5 just ask the player to punch some node
16:34 sfan5 then take the coords from that
16:36 kaen that can work, is there a way to deregister a callback though?
16:37 kaen actually I can tell that answer from the methods list :P
16:37 * kaen grymbles
16:38 sfan5 just don't do anything if the player was not asked to do anything
16:38 kaen definitely
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16:45 kaen google is so op, I just found a mod that does what I need already
16:57 agaran heh, thats good, right?
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17:00 Nosrick agrecascino, you there?
17:00 agrecascino Nosrick, somewhat
17:01 Nosrick Update your server!
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17:01 Nosrick MoMTest just got a pretty significant bug fix update.
17:23 Nosrick I think I'm going to remove Black Sleep (a spell that renders an enemy helpless) and replace it with Summon Zombie. Removing control from a player seems unfun.
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17:31 agrecascino Nosrick, CTCPing you a trace
17:31 Krock2 morgan.freenode.net died?
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17:32 agaran Krock: well not sure, btw, dug first mese
17:32 Krock grats. I got about 12 of them just by mining the lucky blocks :/
17:33 Krock mese crystals or blocks'
17:33 agaran yea.. and 1 diamond by killing some fireball throwing monster in caves deep
17:33 Krock *?
17:33 agaran crystals.. too shallow for block
17:35 Nosrick agrecascino, I'm pretty sure I fixed that bug, update your MoMTest.
17:35 agrecascino Nosrick, you didn't fix it in stable
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17:36 Nosrick Hm, strange. Was it with or without the mana API??
17:37 Nosrick Shit, it could be a problem with the mana API.
17:38 Nosrick Because it's happening in a mana API call.
17:38 agaran mana api.. :) I like how it sounds
17:38 Nosrick Either that, or the value being passed in is nil, which it should never, ever be.
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17:42 hisforever Hi all I'd like to know how do I craft glow blocks?
17:42 agaran torch and glass?
17:42 agaran two torches for super glow glass
17:43 hisforever ty Agaran
17:46 agaran yw
17:48 hisforever Agaran I need a white glow block for lighting?
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17:49 agaran hmm mese lamp then? if you want non transparent
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17:50 agaran Krock: 23 crystals.. :)
17:50 Krock grats :)
17:51 agaran thx
17:51 agaran -400 only..
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18:03 agaran Krock: there is awesome feature added.. silencer for all user-chat.. server and pms work over that..
18:04 Krock so.. less spam?
18:04 agaran yup
18:07 agaran IhrFussel: are there chests where one may drop stuff for newbies or that does not exist?
18:09 IhrFussel agaran, You mean a public chest any player can take from?
18:09 agaran yep, so I can drop there some spare things I don't need but don't want to trash..
18:09 agaran if there is none, no big deal.. :)
18:10 IhrFussel Feel free to make one or more and protect the areas so that they can only access the chests
18:10 IhrFussel You can do one near the spawn if you want, and even place a sign that leads player to them
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18:13 agaran heh, idle-check does not count that I work on items assuming no move -> idle
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18:14 IhrFussel Yes cause I didn't want to make the check too heavy
18:15 IhrFussel But it does check for chat messages so if you send one idle time is 0
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18:17 agaran I see, well makes sense I think :)
18:21 nm0i Is there any mobile-friendly book mod?
18:21 agaran IhrFussel: do you maybe know how to tame animals there?
18:22 IhrFussel agaran, depends on the animal...each animal type has its own respective food to be tamed
18:22 agaran ah, this way :)
18:24 IhrFussel Yep feed it enough then it will be tamed..but it can take a while and you can't tame every animal...only cats,rabbits,sheep and chicken I think
18:24 agaran thats more than I thought :)
18:26 IhrFussel Can you check the lag for me please?
18:27 agaran naturlich, 2.39425
18:27 IhrFussel Increasing the ABM intervals didn't help...
18:28 agaran or not enough, if there is enough blocks still will be lot of abm, but did times reported in log decreased? or amount of them?
18:30 agrecascino Nosrick, if you figure it out, tell me
18:30 Nosrick I'm trying, but I can't even replicate it. Can you zip up your mods folder for me?
18:30 agrecascino sure
18:31 Nosrick Thanks!
18:31 IhrFussel agaran, No WARNING since restart but it's too early to tell
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18:31 agaran IhrFussel: then lets see till tomorrow, even if lag is there but there is no warning I consider it an improvement..
18:32 agrecascino https://0x0.st/Mu0.zip
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18:32 agrecascino Nosrick, there
18:33 Nosrick Cheers, I'll see if I can replicate it with the modpack.
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18:38 agaran IhrFussel: one thing I miss are elevators.. though with flying it is not as bad as would be without
18:47 IhrFussel agaran, I could probably add those later on but for now I want to stop the lagging xD I edited the default mods now and increased EVERY ABM interval x 2
18:47 agaran I know, I don't really need them much, just I have quite stairs to my place;)
18:50 agaran IhrFussel: is there index of bot commands?
18:52 IhrFussel !commands
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18:56 Nosrick agrecascino, I really can't find the source of the crash.
18:56 Nosrick The only thing I can think of is that someone punched the font while it was being used, which resets the metadata.
18:56 Nosrick But that doesn't explain the stack trace...
19:03 agrecascino Nosrick, where does your mod store it's data
19:03 Nosrick In a file.
19:04 Nosrick Or, in several, rather.
19:04 Nosrick I think there's two for each player, so far.
19:04 Nosrick I couldn't get them to go into their own neat little folder, unfortunately.
19:06 agrecascino i deleted my metadata, and i caused the server the server to crash anyway
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19:08 Nosrick Does it trace back to momtest?
19:08 LinuxGuy2020 Is there any way to connect to a server and download all of the installed mods, instead of having to go download them all individually if I want to create my own server? Are they copied locally anywhere when you connect to a server?
19:08 agaran you can get list of mods, but then you need to dl all manually
19:10 LinuxGuy2020 ok thanks
19:10 IhrFussel LinuxGuy2020, no you cannot simply copy server mods from the cache folder of the client AFAIK and it's good that way cause each server should have its own signature features
19:12 sofar mods are not sent from the server to the client
19:12 sofar only assets (textures, models, sounds)
19:14 agrecascino Nosrick, yes
19:15 Nosrick Damn it. Can you PM me the trace?
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19:17 Nosrick It shouldn't be doing that. All of the variables should have a value.
19:17 Nosrick Wait, shit.
19:17 Nosrick I know what's happening.
19:17 Nosrick The mana API doesn't handle its metadata being deleted very well
19:18 Nosrick Disable the mana API, and it should work.
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19:21 Nosrick Ah, wait! I know what it could be, now. It might not be the mana API (though it could be a problem), it might actually be the way I'm storing the mana/research/skill variables.
19:21 Nosrick Let me change it and I'll get it pushed.
19:38 agrecascino https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=15388
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19:47 Nosrick agrecascino, try that now. It should hopefully work.
19:49 agrecascino merge with master?
19:51 Nosrick Just made a few small changes, let me just merge again.
19:51 Nosrick There.
19:51 Nosrick Pull!
19:53 agrecascino crash
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19:54 agrecascino Nosrick, sent trace
19:54 Nosrick Only seemed to get half of it
19:56 agrecascino sent all
19:57 Nosrick Cheers.
19:59 Nosrick Alright, try that.
20:00 swift110 hey guys
20:02 Nosrick Hey swift110!
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20:04 Nosrick shamoanjac!
20:05 shamoanjac Nosrick, !
20:05 Nosrick How goes your devving?
20:05 agrecascino no crash
20:06 Nosrick YES!
20:06 Nosrick I mean
20:06 Nosrick That's good.
20:06 swift110 how are you nosrick
20:06 Nosrick I'm fantastic now that I fixed that pesky crash.
20:06 Nosrick How are you?
20:06 agrecascino CANNOT MOD MANA
20:06 agrecascino CANNOT MOD MANA
20:06 Nosrick AW MAN WHAT
20:07 agrecascino no crash though
20:09 Nosrick That should be fixed, now. Pull!
20:09 shamoanjac well I haven't done anything today
20:09 agrecascino shamoanjac, sleeping?
20:09 shamoanjac I'll be back home in two days
20:09 shamoanjac no, I was out with my family
20:10 agrecascino you broke it
20:10 Nosrick Aw, damn it
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20:11 resident anyone wanna play survival with me now
20:13 shamoanjac join catgirls.animebitch.es and start insulting a guy named "Xenos" and try to grief him
20:13 shamoanjac then you'll get some survival
20:13 agrecascino shamoanjac, why
20:13 agrecascino oh
20:13 agrecascino heh
20:14 shamoanjac btw Minetest has the bypass-protection-with-lag bug that Minecraft had (and probably still has)
20:14 shamoanjac so if a player makes a 1-block thin wall, it's possible to get in his house
20:14 shamoanjac provided that your latency is high enough
20:15 agaran yup noticed that already.. now building double block walls..
20:15 agaran especially ceilings
20:16 agrecascino Nosrick, crash
20:16 Nosrick URGH
20:17 resident plaaay wiiith meeeee
20:17 resident someooooone
20:18 resident im loonellyy
20:18 resident sooo loneelllyyyyy
20:18 resident aaaaaaah
20:18 agrecascino resident, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsBC-vF0ZeU
20:19 Nosrick Oh lordy
20:20 resident thats me right now
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20:24 Nosrick Please, please let it work now.
20:26 agrecascino worked
20:27 swift110 hmm
20:27 Nosrick Phew.
20:27 Nosrick Let's hope it doesn't fuck everything up.
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20:30 agrecascino can someone help me with this?
20:30 agrecascino https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=15388
20:31 Nosrick I wish I knew more. I'd maybe raise an issue.
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20:34 Nosrick I should play video games. I haven't played anything in weeks.
20:34 resident yes
20:34 resident play survival with me
20:34 agrecascino Nosrick, other than minetest?
20:34 Nosrick I've only tested stuff, not really played.
20:34 shamoanjac I don't play much either
20:34 agrecascino Nosrick, same
20:34 Nosrick It's been exhausting.
20:34 shamoanjac just Minetest, OpenTTD, some Quake 3
20:34 agrecascino anyone up for some UT99?
20:34 Nosrick Nice choices.
20:35 shamoanjac I don't have a proper mouse
20:35 Nosrick Same; I'm using a laptop touchpad.
20:35 thePalindrome Xonotic is a nice ut-like
20:35 shamoanjac Xonotic is pretty cool
20:35 KaadmY 'cept Xonotic has far worse performance than ut99 for me :)
20:35 shamoanjac also I used to play Sauerbraten a lot
20:35 thePalindrome Weird
20:35 KaadmY sauer is insta hell
20:35 shamoanjac yes lel
20:36 shamoanjac not that I disliked it
20:36 Nosrick agrecascino, can you still cast spells?
20:36 agrecascino Nosrick, not sure
20:36 resident where do you find minetest mods
20:36 Nosrick Forums, mostly.
20:36 thePalindrome My hard drive, after throwing it toghether :P
20:36 resident should implement a mod gallery in the game menu
20:36 Nosrick That'd be super neat.
20:37 thePalindrome I suppose, but then that defeats some of the decentralization of it all
20:37 resident what's a fun mod
20:37 thePalindrome Plus, what about off-brand clients?
20:37 Nosrick Mesecons is great.
20:38 Nosrick I'd plug my mod, but I don't have much to show for it, yet.
20:38 Nosrick But agrecascino, that absolute madman, has put it on his server anyway.
20:38 shamoanjac decentralization != no mod gallery
20:38 agrecascino i have the best domain
20:38 Void7 what?
20:38 agrecascino domains*
20:39 agrecascino yourwaifuish.it
20:39 thePalindrome I know it doesn't always mean that, but...
20:39 agrecascino animebitch.es
20:39 shamoanjac there could be a mod tracker and then you download mods via bittorrent
20:39 Void7 !server agrecascino
20:39 MinetestBot Void7: No results
20:39 Void7 !server such
20:39 MinetestBot Void7: No results
20:39 Void7 !servers
20:39 agrecascino i'm not on the server list, i think
20:39 thePalindrome The most ISPs would send copyright notices when they detect bittorrent
20:39 Nosrick You're on the dark net.
20:40 thePalindrome mainly comcast
20:40 agrecascino im not sure if 8chan counts as darknet
20:40 Nosrick (It actually does, it's not indexed by any search engine)
20:40 thePalindrome Dark, but not deep
20:40 thePalindrome By that logic my site is a dark net though :P
20:40 shamoanjac technically
20:41 thePalindrome With the exception of the main page and any search engine that doesn't obey robots.txt
20:41 shamoanjac 8chan is 99% deep web but certainly not a darknet
20:41 resident how is 8chan deep web
20:41 shamoanjac if we go by "deep web = not indexed by search engines"
20:41 resident google cripplekike
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20:42 shamoanjac deep web is usually defined as being the set of webpages that are dynamically generated and not indexed
20:42 shamoanjac lots of people believe urban legends about h4x0r5 though and believe deep web = Tor network
20:43 Nosrick Tor has a hilarious reputation
20:43 thePalindrome ^
20:43 agrecascino i2p is edgier
20:43 shamoanjac even though Tor is not a darknet and a lot of Tor websites are not deep web
20:43 shamoanjac i2p is an actual darknet iirc
20:43 * thePalindrome should offor his site as a hidden service sometime
20:46 resident i2p has more content
20:46 agrecascino tor as a darknet is cutting yourself edgy
20:47 resident tor allows me to spam imageboards
20:47 agrecascino thats edgy
20:47 resident thats fun
20:47 * thePalindrome uses tor to access the strategic intelligence network
20:47 thePalindrome anything else I don't care
20:49 shamoanjac the last time I tried i2p, it would connect to 0/0 nodes
20:49 agrecascino new thread when?
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20:49 shamoanjac well I did the current one
20:49 shamoanjac not my turn
20:49 shamoanjac fam
20:49 shamoanjac tbh
20:49 Nosrick When did this place turn into 8chan?
20:50 agrecascino like 2 weeks ago
20:52 resident if this was 8chan we'd all be banned
20:53 shamoanjac this is 8chan territory now
20:53 shamoanjac s h i t p o s t
20:54 agrecascino :D :^)
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20:54 thePalindrome 4chan likes to hand out bans, 8chan was everyone that got kicked out of 4chan
20:55 sfan5 what about 2ch
20:55 resident and now 8chan is infested by rulecuck mods and volunteers
20:55 agrecascino japan
20:55 agrecascino resident, fuck off /intl/
20:55 resident im 100% goon
20:56 resident sliding /pol/ threads is the only reason i go there anymore
20:58 Nosrick /pol/ is a shitposter's paradise
20:58 agaran left #minetest
20:58 resident neckbeard's paradise
20:58 shamoanjac /pol/ is pretty annoying
20:58 resident its da jewwws
20:58 shamoanjac but they're like 25% of the website's traffic so of course Jim doesn't want to lose them
20:58 resident dem nogs r the reason im a virgin
20:59 shamoanjac pretty much
20:59 shamoanjac also the nickelodeon cuckoldry conspiracy
20:59 shamoanjac Bella and the Bulls
20:59 shamoanjac we got a couple months of extra cuckposting
21:00 resident i love how /pol/ is being spammed on every imageboard now
21:02 shamoanjac serves them right for being the new /b/
21:09 agrecascino he guys they're fucking up the mozilla logo
21:10 agrecascino hey*
21:11 shamoanjac ¿?
21:11 Nosrick Que?
21:11 agrecascino https://blog.mozilla.org/open​design/now-for-the-fun-part/
21:11 resident ¡!
21:12 agrecascino mozilla is dead
21:12 shamoanjac they all suck tbh
21:12 agrecascino http://8ch.net/tech/res/641576.html#641576
21:12 agrecascino they made another one
21:13 shamoanjac a new what?
21:13 resident jim is so dirty in every way imaginable
21:13 shamoanjac >Hotwheels broke infinity next with a poor captcha
21:13 agrecascino a codemonkey fix your shit thread
21:13 shamoanjac true
21:13 resident just browsing the site gives me the creeps
21:13 shamoanjac >Josh is an asshole but he sperged out because Jim was being a gigantic backstabbing shady kike
21:13 shamoanjac 200% true
21:13 shamoanjac >Jim openly does not follow 8chans privacy policy or tos
21:13 shamoanjac true
21:14 shamoanjac shit all of the greentext is true
21:14 resident josh is in the right
21:14 shamoanjac 3>8chans /tech/ Board Volunteers support the Migration as "ring" has already set up the /tech/ Board at 16chan.nl
21:14 shamoanjac time to shitpost in #/tech/ and get Yet Another Ban (tm)
21:15 shamoanjac btw is hotwheels really kill
21:15 resident 16chan is dead
21:15 shamoanjac yes
21:15 sfan5 >16chan
21:15 sfan5 wat
21:15 shamoanjac the free chans will not survive another split
21:15 agrecascino shamoanjac, finish cchan when?
21:15 shamoanjac most 8chan posters would rather just go to 4chan
21:15 shamoanjac actually, I'd like to continue on C-Chan
21:15 resident there are enough alternatives, just low traffic
21:15 shamoanjac yeah
21:15 shamoanjac that's the problem
21:16 shamoanjac no community
21:16 Nosrick All of those Mozilla logos are shit, except maybe the Moz://a one.
21:16 shamoanjac masterchan is pedo heaven
21:16 resident new pedo heaven is librechan.net
21:16 shamoanjac really?
21:16 resident yep try it
21:16 shamoanjac ok NSA
21:16 agrecascino top board is /hebe/
21:16 Nosrick resident confirmed for FBI agent
21:16 shamoanjac at least it defaults to HTTPS
21:16 resident when 8/b/ started banning pedo boards and thread on /b/ they migrated to librechan instead of masterchan like everyone believed
21:17 agrecascino shit
21:17 shamoanjac 3>/hebe/
21:17 shamoanjac 3>/younglove/
21:17 shamoanjac 3>/nonude/
21:17 shamoanjac 3>/cutegirls/
21:17 resident if you say anything against pedo shit you get called a rulecuck lol
21:17 shamoanjac I didn't know the whole /hebe/ community had switched to there
21:18 agrecascino shamoanjac, i want to finish cchan
21:18 Nosrick I just type cloaca instead of cloak.
21:18 Nosrick Kill me.
21:18 shamoanjac to be fairly honest, the presence of legal pedos on a website are a sign of low rulecucking
21:18 agrecascino Nosrick, snek pussy
21:18 shamoanjac agrecascino, it's a mess
21:18 agrecascino shamoanjac, rewrite in c++?
21:18 * thePalindrome leaves
21:18 Nosrick You know, we're probably frightening the locals.
21:19 agrecascino migrate to ##shitpost?
21:19 shamoanjac oops right
21:19 sfan5 discuss as much as you want here
21:19 shamoanjac idk agrecascino, C-Chan is C-Chan, not Cpp-Chan
21:19 agrecascino sfan5, and call the police later?
21:19 shamoanjac the goal was to create a chan in ANSI C
21:19 sfan5 yes
21:20 sfan5 shamoanjac: have they considered rewriting it in rust?
21:20 agrecascino shamoanjac, striiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiings
21:20 agrecascino sfan5, FUCK No
21:20 shamoanjac No!!!!!!!!
21:20 shamoanjac I want K&R C
21:20 agrecascino FUC KYOUR BORROW CHECKER
21:20 agrecascino NO
21:20 agrecascino NO
21:20 agrecascino NO
21:20 shamoanjac I mean I know Rust or C++ would be better for a chan software
21:20 sfan5 just use php
21:21 frostsnow Is there wa way to get a list of items available under the '/giveme' command?  I can't seem to get things like Steel Ingots, because I don't know whether to type 'steel_ingot', '"Steel Ingot"', &c.
21:21 shamoanjac but what I wanted to do was a full server by myself in C
21:21 Nosrick You best be joking, sfan5.
21:21 shamoanjac currently it serves static content just fine
21:21 sfan5 frostsnow: maybe there's a mod that lists items
21:21 sfan5 but in any case
21:21 Nosrick frostsnow, I think it's actually "default:steel_ingot"
21:21 sfan5 look into the source code of minetest_game/default/items.lua
21:21 shamoanjac frostsnow, if you check the wiki, item names are there
21:21 agrecascino install unified inventory
21:21 Nosrick You need to put the modname before it, usually.
21:22 frostsnow Nosrick: That worked, thanks.
21:22 Nosrick Welcome!
21:23 frostsnow Ah, I see, I need the modname before it.  That explains why I couldn't get anything from the mods I had installed...
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21:30 resident i'm just following people on servers now because noone wants to play with me
21:30 LNJ2GO left #minetest
21:30 resident how sad am i
21:31 agrecascino not very
21:31 Calinou what about Sadie2492? or Sadie4601? :P
21:33 swift110 joined #minetest
21:33 shamoanjac earlier this morning I went on a populated server
21:33 shamoanjac why do people have these nicks?
21:33 shamoanjac with four digits?
21:33 nm0i Calinou: Sadie4601 is cool dude.
21:33 nm0i Unlike other Sadies
21:33 shamoanjac is that some kind of Android name?
21:34 Calinou shamoanjac: a while ago, "Guest"'s were added in Minetest core
21:34 Calinou if you logged in with an empty username, it named you Guest**** instead
21:34 M-JLuc joined #minetest
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21:34 Calinou many Android forks replaced Guest with something else, such as SqueakeCrafter, Sadie, …
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21:34 nm0i ...MulticraftRules..
21:35 shamoanjac lol Calinou
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21:35 shamoanjac shamoanjac9000
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22:00 Megaf !server Megaf
22:00 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
22:00 Megaf !server Calinou
22:00 MinetestBot Megaf: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 0/32, 1/7 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 12ms
22:02 Sadie3141 joined #minetest
22:02 nm0i hi
22:03 Sadie3141 Hello
22:04 Nosrick Hello!
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22:13 Megaf hi
22:15 swift110 lol
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22:27 DoyleChris I need some help with Mobs Redo
22:28 DoyleChris I added a few things to the list to purchase but recently i get this error
22:28 DoyleChris http://pastebin.com/gridR700
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22:41 Fixer DoyleChris: post this to tenplus1 on his mobs redo page forum
22:42 Fixer DoyleChris: he is pretty quick in solving this
22:44 DoyleChris ill do that
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23:31 alkotob I've been looking at the C code and I'm trying to think of a way
23:31 alkotob to allow players to enter portals to other servers
23:32 LinuxGuy2020 Ok I got a virtualbox linux install with current minetest on it. I tried doing the "minetest --server --world World" the server starts but no mods get loaded up. Why?
23:32 LinuxGuy2020 Its running inside a NAS4Free box.
23:33 thePalindrome Is it running in standalone mode?
23:33 LinuxGuy2020 Whats that mean?
23:34 thePalindrome Did you get minetest from your package manager?
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23:34 LinuxGuy2020 No got latest dev
23:35 thePalindrome From where?
23:35 thePalindrome If you are just using "minetest" then that would imply you have it installed via a package manager
23:35 LinuxGuy2020 Oh yeah its the deb I downloaded.
23:36 LinuxGuy2020 0.14 or whatever
23:36 LinuxGuy2020 0.4.14
23:36 thePalindrome Alright, I would look in ~/.minetest/mods/
23:36 LinuxGuy2020 single player game works fine
23:37 LinuxGuy2020 yeah
23:37 thePalindrome That *should* be where the mods will go in your install
23:37 thePalindrome tbh, your install is terrifying
23:37 thePalindrome I'm not even sure if you are using a linux or a bsd
23:37 LinuxGuy2020 Linux virtualbox.
23:37 LinuxGuy2020 inside BSD
23:37 LinuxGuy2020 Works fine
23:38 LinuxGuy2020 Just like haveing a linux PC on the network
23:38 thePalindrome Not what I mean
23:38 thePalindrome Under BSD you should never edit anything in /etc for any reason
23:38 LinuxGuy2020 Who said I did?
23:38 thePalindrome alright, nas4free isn't linux, it's bsd
23:38 LinuxGuy2020 OMG
23:38 thePalindrome I need to understand your system before I can give helpful advice.
23:39 LinuxGuy2020 NAS4Free has virtualbox inside it. You can run Linux virtual machines within it to add software and functionality.
23:39 thePalindrome Which linux distro are you running then!
23:39 LinuxGuy2020 Lets just call it a linux box thats all it is.
23:39 LinuxGuy2020 Linux Mint 18
23:39 thePalindrome Different distros place things in different locations
23:39 LinuxGuy2020 ok
23:39 thePalindrome Alright, nice to know you are using garbage
23:39 LinuxGuy2020 fuck you dude
23:40 thePalindrome Unless mint really screwed up, there should be a man page for minetestserver
23:40 LinuxGuy2020 Insults usually happen when the person trying to help has no clue. Past experience.
23:41 thePalindrome So why are you insulting me?
23:41 LinuxGuy2020 I dont want your help.
23:41 LinuxGuy2020 Lets move on.
23:41 thePalindrome Why don't you want my help?
23:41 Megaf folks, calm down
23:41 Megaf LinuxGuy2020: find the folder world and file worl.mt
23:42 LinuxGuy2020 ok
23:42 thePalindrome I do suggest checking the man page, if your distro puts things a bit weird, the man page should help
23:42 Megaf you have to edit the file and set the mod you want to load to true
23:42 Megaf you will understand when you find it
23:42 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: Perfect your wonderful.
23:42 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: Thank you
23:42 Megaf LinuxGuy2020: four years of running minetest servers ;)
23:43 Megaf but no need to insult people man
23:43 * thePalindrome wonders why people hate ghim
23:43 thePalindrome plsdk;aaaaaaaaa\]
23:43 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: One problem. They are all true. But none load.
23:43 Megaf LinuxGuy2020: what is your objective?
23:43 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: Im starting the terminal in home folder. Could that be why they dont load?
23:44 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf:Should I run it from /home/user/.minetest instead?
23:44 Megaf if you want a standalone server you should use a thing called minetestserver instead of minetest
23:44 Megaf that to begin with
23:44 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: Start a dedicated server with mods that I have working in single player mode.
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23:44 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: Is that a seperate download?
23:45 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: I mean "minetest --server" not the same?
23:45 Megaf minetestserver --world /path/to/your/world --config serverconfigurationfile.conf
23:46 Megaf LinuxGuy2020: I'm not sure, I don't use the pre packaged version, I build it myself, hold on
23:46 Megaf let me check
23:46 LinuxGuy2020 ok
23:46 Megaf LinuxGuy2020: so, if you are using a deb based distro the package is minetest-server
23:48 MinetestBot [git] Megaf -> minetest/minetest_game: Flowers: Add missing aliases for mushrooms from the mushroom mod 3be2f12 https://git.io/v6DwF (2016-08-22T00:43:04+01:00)
23:48 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: ok so Linux Mint 18 has minetest-server 0.4.13 so Ill try that then. Ok.
23:48 Megaf perfect
23:48 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: Thanks so much
23:49 Megaf You're welcome. But you will still have some troubles I presume. Any question just politely ask and me or someone else will be happy in helping.
23:49 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: Ok
23:50 Megaf Always good seeing your contribution to minetest being merged :)
23:51 Megaf [00:48:08] <MinetestBot> [git] Megaf -> minetest/minetest_game: Flowers: Add missing aliases for mushrooms from the mushroom mod 3be2f12 https://git.io/v6DwF (2016-08-22T00:43:04+01:00)
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