IRC log for #minetest, 2016-08-21

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00:05	Fixer_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN363k6nIUQ
00:05	Fixer_	lol, so drama
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00:40	MinetestBot	[git] kahrl -> minetest/minetest: gettext.h: include <locale> before defining the gettext macro (#4452) cafa400 https://git.io/v6MH3 (2016-08-21T02:40:23+02:00)
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01:01	prrmypx	who will save minetest
01:01	prrmypx	and Rewrite It In Rust?
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02:03	XeonSquared	cue religious war
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02:11	Chinchou	That's the fifth one this week.
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02:29	DonBatman	No religious war. Minetest is secular
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02:51	nolsen	Excuse me, but I like to interject for a moment...
02:51	nolsen	What you are refering to "Minetest", is actually GNU/Minetest.
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04:31	segfault22	I tried to set-up the machine that I will be using for my server
04:31	segfault22	There are a few problems though,...
04:34	segfault22	since the builtin graphics processor is pretty much dead, it fails to render the interface properly and I can't tell what I am doing. Some parts of the OS install process appear fine, because they use software rendering, but once it gets to the last part the whole screen becomes illegible
04:34	segfault22	I don't know what boot-option to use that will force software rendering, which is fine since it will be command-line-only version of ubuntu-server with only the stuff I need to run minetest-server and a few basic tools
04:35	segfault22	er, it is fine to use software rendering, but since I don't have a boot option to force it, I can't get there. And, it appears the RAID card is not being detected or there is some problem within it,...
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04:37	segfault22	does anyone know where I could get a really cheap grafix card? like from surplus or from an older system - it doesn't even need to handle 1GB video-memory, just about anything will do as long as it has a VGA output
04:38	swift110-phone	hmm
04:38	segfault22	I tried searching the internet but everything is either too expensive or has that dumb DMS-59 connector that requires an adapter which "they" sell for as much or more than the card itself
04:38	swift110-phone	gt 610
04:39	swift110-phone	gtx 750 ti
04:39	segfault22	my budget is about $5 or $8 (not sure yet)
04:40	segfault22	thrift store "this one (computer) doesn't work, it's on discount" section maybe?
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04:42	segfault22	I would love to use the gt 610 or gtx 750, if I could get it for $5 but that's not possible until it becomes so outdated that standard video memory is measured in TB
04:43	segfault22	and standard hard drive storage measured in PB
04:45	nolbby	I'd just like to interject for a moment. What youâ€™re referring to as Minetest, is in fact, GNU/Minetest, or as Iâ€™ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Minetest. Minetest is not a game unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU games made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital OpenGL components comprising a full Game as defined by OpenGL. Many computer
04:45	nolbby	users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it.
04:45	nolbby	er
04:45	nolbby	dammit
04:47	swift110-phone	lol
04:47	swift110-phone	how long you been using minetest
04:51	segfault22	Minetest is still Minetest without GNU; we design the software/code around a structured concept, said concept defining how the game works on the inside and how it is used by the users. We could hire a bunch of hackers to build the whole software system, including a new programming language, and make the entire system proprietary if we wanted, and it would still be minetest, so long as it implements the same interfaces and is used the same by the use
04:51	segfault22	r.
04:52	segfault22	it wouldn't be nise to make it closed-source, but it would still be Minetest.
04:52	segfault22	nice
04:53	segfault22	this is why you can play Minetest on a rinky-dink android-fone, on the same server as someone who's playing Minetest on a Dell laptop at school through tor with a bridge.
04:54	segfault22	the code system has to be almost entirely different, but the interface is the same because it is entirely an extension of... the underlying structured concept
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04:56	nolbby	segfault22: I just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as GNU, is in fact, GNU/GNU, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus GNU.
04:57	segfault22	I wasn't talking about the code base. So it is GNU
04:57	nolbby	You don't get the joke.
04:57	segfault22	it's not funny
04:57	nolbby	Actually, it is.
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04:58	nolbby	In your opinion, it isn't :3
04:58	segfault22	why tf can't I find a grafix-card on eBay for $5 or less that has a VGA port
04:59	segfault22	my monitor doesn't have a DVI port or HDMI port
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05:00	segfault22	why doesn't eBay let you specify shipping price for search results
05:01	segfault22	why this, why that, why wiffle-ball-bat
05:03	segfault22	Dell grafix card, 16MB price: $5 shipping: $67
05:03	segfault22	./nope
05:05	segfault22	eBay should automatically reject sellers' posting items for whic hthe shipping is higher than the price of the item, except for bulk materials that are cheap or anything else not having a relatively high value-density relative to, say, clay for example
05:07	segfault22	I hate seeing that ugly DMS-59 connector, I will never buy anything with that ugly thing on it
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05:21	segfault22	How can I force software-rendering via a boot option, for a basic command-line-only ubuntu/ubuntu-server installation?
05:23	segfault22	Is there even such an option? I know it's possible, and this would afford me to avoid buying a graphics card to replace the failing builtin-grafix-chip insert-stupid-brandname-here-(tm) super-9000-X-plutonium-edition
05:35	swift110-phone	hmm
05:47	segfault22	I'm kinda sorry I insulted all smart-phone users by calling it a "rinky-dink-fone",...
05:48	segfault22	but not really because that flash-storage chip is gonna fail so badly after just a few years of usage, it's not even funny
05:48	segfault22	everspin FTW
05:51	Hirato	I guess the flash storage had a..... segfault! yeaaaaaaaaaaah!
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05:51	segfault22	xD
05:51	Hirato	I don't think minetest has a software renderer, if you're on Loonix, you can probably force llvmpipe and friends
05:52	segfault22	that actually is funny; that was the most funny thing that entered my mind all day
05:52	segfault22	I'm not going to be software-rendering the game, just a ubuntu-Server to run the minetest-Server and a few bash scripts
05:53	Hirato	do you really need a GUI for that?
05:53	segfault22	Only as fas as a CLI is a "GUI"
05:56	segfault22	I wish there was a boot-option to force software-rendering mode and bypass the "vid-e-0 chip of doom 9000" entirely without "just" getting an el-cheapo bargin'-grafix-card to replace it
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06:09	agaran	segfault22: is there 'expert install' mode?
06:10	segfault22	yes
06:10	segfault22	but I'm no expert yet,...
06:10	agaran	but as far as I remember expert install was textmode, at least in debian
06:10	agaran	I never use normal..
06:12	agaran	but I use debian
06:13	segfault22	cool; but for some reason at the end it still tries to use the builtin grafix chip, and the screen is black and flashes white for a few seconds every few seconds; there is some kind of error message but it flashes so fast that I can't read it (it's on the edge of the white-screen, and it's like it's moving past really fast, so you can only see it when it goes from white to black)
06:14	segfault22	either I have to find a grafix card for < or = $5 including shipping, or add an unknown boot option to force software rendering "anyways because-I-said-so-thats-why"-style
06:15	agaran	if it is ubuntu installer what flashes then you should be able to do that indeed, or enforce any other low-graphic mode
06:16	segfault22	I don't have access to any list of boot options which includes an entry for software rendering mode
06:17	agaran	so it is machine bios what has problem.. you are sure that addon gfx is properly seated? usually onboard gpu gets disabled when you place addon gfx
06:18	segfault22	I don't /have/ a graphics card yet
06:18	segfault22	sorry
06:18	agaran	ah.. so you can't enter to bios?
06:19	agaran	it is desktop dell right?
06:19	Calinou	<swift110-phone> gtx 750 ti
06:20	Calinou	I find it weird how AAA gamers can afford GTX 1070s or 1080s
06:20	Calinou	whereas some open source gamers can barely afford a GT 610 ._.
06:21	segfault22	It is a dell,... I don't think the GPU is totally dead, or the BIOS is using software rendering, because I can enter the BIOS, go to boot menu, select the USB-flashdrive, try to install, and get to the last part (where it transitions to some other mode, before finally installing) before the graphics goes crazy
06:21	segfault22	I can only afford a $5 graphics card, and that's using survey-money...
06:21	agaran	ah, got ya, then put that pendrive to other machine where you have already linux and look if there is isolinux.cfg or like
06:22	agaran	or it has grub installed?
06:22	agaran	it seems to be problem with bootloader there, not even installer..
06:22	segfault22	The usb drive is the minimal ubuntu install image (~52MB)
06:23	agaran	so it has grub/isolinux or like
06:23	segfault22	It should; why?
06:24	agaran	because days when kernel could be loaded by writing it directly from sector zero of drive are long gone..
06:24	segfault22	okay
06:25	agaran	bios can only execute common routines, that is bootloader, which is supposed to load operating system them switch control to it.. it is rather complex process even if seems short and easy
06:27	segfault22	Okay, I should probably clarify - the installation doesn't get a chance to try to boot, I'm pretty sure it doesn't even finish installing. The problem happens somewhere between the last part of the installation and the "done, time to reboot" screen... The bios is switching control properly, so the problem it probably not in the bios
06:28	agaran	but installer is booting and doing something?
06:30	segfault22	Yes, I get to the point where it's supposed to be writing partition changes to the disk, and it appears to do that fine; then it proceeds with the rest of the installation, and it cuts out somewhere between there and the "done" screen
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06:31	agaran	well I never used ubuntu.. I am fine with debian.. but repartitioning is very early part of install, before anything gets installed on drive in debian.
06:31	segfault22	I haven't tried it without this new SATA RAID card, though,... maybe that was the problem, even though it didn't detect it as a drive (and I thought it was ignoring it - main drive is 120GB at "sdb", RAID drives are 160GB and not mounted)
06:32	agaran	I'd try to remove and try again..
06:32	segfault22	the BIOS says the third PCI slot is populated with a device "mass storage", but that's all it says about that
06:32	agaran	bios has own perspective, booted installer own.. they might not always match..
06:33	segfault22	I have to wait until tomorrow, then, because everyone else in the house is asleep, and the server system has a hotwired fan (onboard fan controller failed) that is really loud
06:34	agaran	I see
06:34	agaran	if it does stop before writing parition table changes on any 'press button' then you can try alt-ctrl-f1 to f8 to see if there is textmode messages console
06:34	agaran	and see whats there.. there maybe some clue
06:35	segfault22	Thank you for trying to help me with this,... your feedback has been very beneficial even if I haven't solved the "main" problem yet, and you should then be partly responsible for my server coming online some-day sooner than some later date
06:35	segfault22	thank you, I didn't know about the console thing being accessible via alt-ctrl-f(n)
06:36	agaran	it maybe not exactly console, just plaintext vt with debugging output..
06:36	agaran	still it may has some info
06:36	segfault22	okay, cool
06:37	segfault22	I will try to install without the SATA RAID card, and if it still fails, I will try to look at the debug output. If it is successful, then I will turn it off, put the card in, and boot it again and start the process of solving the next problem
06:38	agaran	I would try installing debian simply
06:39	agaran	textmode install with expert mode is not really that hard..
06:39	segfault22	okay
06:39	agaran	and it does not touch gpu at all using plaintext 80x25 console
06:39	agaran	we are using that when installing over serial even..
06:39	agaran	or via video redirection/kvm
06:40	segfault22	cool,.. by textmode do you mean the resulting installed OS will boot and load a command-line-interface without window manager and "all of that stuff"? or does that have to be configured
06:41	agaran	yep
06:41	segfault22	okay, good
06:41	agaran	you can install no X support as well
06:41	agaran	but whole installation process is done in textmode.. so even 200% borkbork broken gpu can handle that if can handle bios displaying
06:42	agaran	I usually do that, install ssh then configuration is done after initial install with ssh connection.. too lazy to change seats..
06:43	segfault22	good, that is exactly what I need. Then I can just put the minetest-server in the system, some bash scripts for tasks like regular backups and resource overload detection, and other misc stuff that may be needed
06:43	agaran	yep..
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07:00	segfault22	maybe I should work on my mod some more,...
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07:02	swift110-phone	what mod is it
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07:03	segfault22	resources mod, or just "res"
07:03	segfault22	it's not officially released yet, but it's on github
07:03	segfault22	I'm rewriting it entirely so the code there is old
07:04	IhrFussel	Okay so now I disabled all mods (except default ones), disabled other scripts running on the server and even recompiled the game...and no matter what players experience server lag spikes
07:04	swift110-phone	oh ok
07:05	segfault22	Maybe it's your ISP throttling the connection, faulty DSLAM on the line, or your router is overheating, or a bird is pecking the optical converter box down the street
07:05	IhrFussel	segfault22, it's a V Server c onnection is 1gbit/s I can do a speed test one sec
07:07	segfault22	Is a home ADSL connection not sufficient for a server? like 25Mb/s download-side
07:07	segfault22	because that's what I'm going to use
07:07	IhrFussel	It should... I just downloaded 1 GB 62,9MB/s in 27s
07:10	IhrFussel	segfault22, a few months ago I ran a MT server on my home PC with ADSL 16mbit/s and 15 players online...there was barely any lag
07:10	segfault22	Cool
07:11	segfault22	That is good news, since I don't expect nearly that many players
07:11	IhrFussel	But you should look at the conf file...limit the block sends per client and total block sends and max packets per iteration
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07:16	IhrFussel	My lags seem to be caused by CPU Usage...it was at 40% for Minetest and a lag happened
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07:16	agaran	IhrFussel: thats why I guess if there any chance that other instance of server on same physical machine causes cpu congestion and causes lag..
07:17	IhrFussel	agaran, hey =) well I only run one instance and the CPU Usage is only at 40% or more for a second maybe..after that it goes down to 10%
07:18	agaran	IhrFussel: I mean other vps on same physical machine.. you said it is vserver
07:18	agaran	and some providers do cpu overbooking too..
07:19	IhrFussel	Oh...no it shows the % in top I don't think it shows the usage of other users on the vserver network
07:19	agaran	it does not
07:19	agaran	you have pie called cpu, you get slice of it not full..
07:19	agaran	as long your slice is big, and minetest eats only part of that slice it works well
07:20	agaran	but if other things in other vservers on same cpu get bigger slices, your gets thinner
07:20	IhrFussel	AFAIK the full server has 10 cores and 2 are mine plus 2 GB RAM guaranteed..upt to 4GB (depending on others)
07:20	agaran	top shows relative usage to 100% of cpu you see, but does not show if max lowers
07:20	agaran	hmm memory balooning can be slow too
07:21	agaran	also top shows % to summed up cpus, so 40% mean one loaded to 80%..
07:22	IhrFussel	It's not the RAM it says minetest uses 15% memory right now and CPU is between 5 and 10 % ... but sometimes it suddenly spikes to 30 or 40 and causes a lag I guess
07:23	swift110-phone	wow
07:23	IhrFussel	It must be something that only happens in certain situations since it's no constant lag
07:25	IhrFussel	My bash scripts use 0.1% CPU those cannot be the reason
07:25	agaran	na, thats unlikely
07:26	IhrFussel	But it has to be something that only happens after certain time periods...but not related to mods
07:26	agaran	but see 40% usage of cpu is average integrated over 1 s.. or maybe 10s.. peak usage could be higher, thinking how to detect this
07:27	agaran	hmm.. do you run minetest on default nice level or not?
07:27	IhrFussel	I would say it HAS to be part of minetest since top only says Minetest uses 40% sometimes...all other processes use less than 5%
07:28	IhrFussel	I run it as normal nice level
07:29	agaran	cat /proc/$(pidof minetestserver)/sched
07:29	agaran	what does this say?
07:30	IhrFussel	Gives a long list, any important value?
07:30	agaran	se.sum_exec_runtime : 44998.587493
07:31	segfault22	minetest-game is so bloated I'm going to have to spend a long time gutting it before I can get it "right" for my server
07:31	IhrFussel	e.sum_exec_runtime: 2626.646274
07:31	agaran	you restarted recently?
07:32	IhrFussel	Yeah I recompiled it about 10 hours ago
07:32	agaran	still not big value then..
07:32	agaran	mine has about 3days uptime and no user there..
07:32	IhrFussel	Or wait
07:33	IhrFussel	2016-08-20 22:50:15: [Main]: Using world specified by --worldname on the command line
07:33	IhrFussel	Now it's 2016-08-21 09:33
07:34	agaran	hmm so indeed like 10h, I'd try nice level to -10 then
07:35	IhrFussel	This error messages looks weird "2016-08-20 21:47:08: ERROR[Server]: /home/minetest/minetest/src/server.cpp:73: virtual void* ServerThread::run(): A fatal error occured: Failed to save block: disk I/O error"
07:36	agaran	this look scary
07:36	agaran	look in 'dmesg' output for any IO errors reported?
07:38	IhrFussel	Nope last error in dmesg was Aug 6 OOM-Killer
07:39	agaran	oh, OOM mean somethng got very mem hungry..
07:39	agaran	was it minetest?
07:39	IhrFussel	Nope it says bash and a few of them were script bugs that should be solved now
07:40	agaran	how did you manage to get bash eat that much mem?:)
07:40	segfault22	by using it to start minetest, possibly?
07:40	IhrFussel	For example by forgetting to end a loop and loop the script instead again and again xD
07:40	segfault22	oh yeah, or that
07:42	IhrFussel	Maybe the v server needs a reboot? I didn't do one since I got it..uptime is 105 days
07:42	agaran	my vps has.. 09:41:22 up 538 days, 22:00, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
07:43	agaran	I'd try to figure out why minetest got IO error for a first.. that is ODD
07:45	agaran	because if io would occur on hdd level, you would have it in dmesg..
07:50	IhrFussel	Lol is Krock on my server? At least someone named as him
07:51	IhrFussel	2016-08-21 09:51:36: WARNING[Server]: active block modifiers took 295ms (longer than 200ms)
07:52	agaran	that means lot of ABM..
07:52	agaran	like growing saplings, and whatever else you have enabled now
07:54	IhrFussel	THAT must be the reason
07:54	IhrFussel	2016-08-21 09:16:16: WARNING[Server]: active block modifiers took 597ms (longer than 200ms)
07:54	agaran	but then finding what ABMs they are may be more problematic..
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07:57	IhrFussel	There is no way to remove all ABMs right?
07:58	agaran	then many things will not wrok at all
07:59	agaran	for trees and such you can make interval bigger, as it will not ruin things too much, not sure what else mod on your server uses abm
07:59	segfault22	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSjj1hcUkAAOMuC.jpg
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08:00	Krock	IhrFussel, your server has some broken skins
08:01	segfault22	okay I gotta go now; thank y'all for giving me feedback and helping with dealing with my server system's problems
08:01	segfault22	we need a central skins server so players can upload their skin to "the site" and use it on any server
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08:42	shamoanjac	and it should be referred to as The Site
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08:51	Chinchou	Site 67
08:54	swift110-phone	h
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08:56	swift110-phone	ok
08:58	Nosrick	Morning folks
09:03	agaran	Hello
09:04	shamoanjac	yo
09:07	shamoanjac	/mode +b *
09:07	shamoanjac	oops
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09:16	Nosrick	I'm thinking about writing some sort of books API for modders, so they can include instruction manuals with their mods.
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09:20	namach	anyone familiar with HV Warper/Receiver?
09:21	namach	question: why 2 batboxes (each 1200000 power, total 2400000 power) cannot power an HV Warper (requires 1900000 power)
09:30	Nosrick	Hey shamoanjac, did you get a chance to fuck around with my mod?
09:39	shamoanjac	not yet
09:39	shamoanjac	I was very tired yesterday
09:41	Nosrick	I forgive you.
09:41	shamoanjac	reee dependencies
09:41	Nosrick	How're your mods coming along?
09:41	Nosrick	Yeah, it has a lot.
09:41	shamoanjac	well I am adding faction chests + doors
09:42	Nosrick	Nice.
09:42	Nosrick	I've tried to make as many soft dependencies as possible, but there are two hard dependencies.
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09:59	shamoanjac	I think I'll test your mod when I get home then
09:59	shamoanjac	my laptop is a mess
09:59	shamoanjac	more mods will just kill my /home/
10:00	shamoanjac	tho wait
10:00	shamoanjac	nvm I'm saying dumb stuff
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10:12	shamoanjac	Nosrick, where can I find the playereffects mod?
10:14	Nosrick	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9689
10:14	Nosrick	shamoanjac, ^
10:16	shamoanjac	thanks
10:23	shamoanjac	Nosrick, your mod tries to open api/extensions/PlayerEffects.lua
10:23	shamoanjac	yet the file is api/extensions/playereffects.lua
10:23	Nosrick	Woops!
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10:26	Nosrick	Fixed it, will be in the next push.
10:26	agaran	IhrFussel: about?
10:28	agaran	does chat in minetest have ability to mute people you don't want to hear?
10:30	shamoanjac	it needs it badly
10:30	agaran	tell me more..
10:30	shamoanjac	I think the IRC mod has /ignore, but I'm not sure
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11:40	Krock	agaran, http://i.imgur.com/myZ8u0P.png something built in a few hours after joining the server the first time :3
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11:42	agaran	Krock: looks nice, I just dug down.. then settled when I found first lava lake
11:42	Krock	uh nice
11:43	agaran	I am there for maybe 2 days so not much build..
11:51	agaran	Krock: so there nobody actually digs stuff all request items from bot or moderators?
11:51	Krock	I think so yes :(
11:51	Krock	and the lucky blocks give you everything important
11:52	agaran	meh, so my effort to make all by digging.. kinda pointless
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12:12	resident	anyone wanna play survival?
12:13	resident	very bored
12:13	resident	don't wanna play alone
12:14	resident	don't wanna play on public servers either because too much stuff already built
12:14	Fixer	go to @test@
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12:17	resident	how is that a server without stuff already built
12:24	IhrFussel	agaran, no players only get SOME item types via command or from moderators..in the past players could request anything via !need ITEMNAME AMOUNT but I restricted it now a lot...only basic nodes work anymore like dirt,wood,stone etc
12:25	agaran	IhrFussel: ah, I see, I never used it so far :)
12:25	IhrFussel	And lucky blocks rarely drop something special like a diamondblock or goldblock
12:26	agaran	saw them existing but..
12:26	IhrFussel	If you feel like a certain item drops too often you can tell me and I will reduce its frequency or remove it completely, no problem
12:27	agaran	I never got lucky blocks yet so..
12:27	IhrFussel	You can get them via "LB" in chat no /
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12:28	agaran	didn't knew that :)
12:28	IhrFussel	I already restricted the command..before players could get 30 lucky blocks per 3 minutes now 25 per 5 minutes
12:29	agaran	hmm, I still have creative so I can look at them easilly..
12:29	IhrFussel	Yes creative players are only moderators + a few I trust a lot
12:30	agaran	well aside of LB testing I don't need it really, I can dig my own hole ;)
12:31	IhrFussel	The other players need to type LB or if they want more spend steel ingots..those are the money on my server
12:31	agaran	not slimmy mudhole, rather warm one.. I found lava lake nearby
12:32	IhrFussel	Haha :D Every player can get 50 steel ingots per 6 hours...they can spend them in shops at the cities (!locations)
12:32	IhrFussel	To go to a city simply type it's name like LB without /
12:33	agaran	heh.. I never saw any of them.. I made pick out of wood.. dug stone.. then dug iron and it went from that
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12:34	IhrFussel	You don't have to buy items...it's just the "lazy" way but since players only have X steel ingots they need to think about what they need next
12:35	agaran	heh..
12:36	IhrFussel	All the cities you see with !locations are created by players...and any player can request to add their city to the list
12:36	resident	let me know if anyone wants to play survival
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12:37	agaran	hmm I put LB and sometking killed me..
12:38	IhrFussel	My server was an attempt to combine various play styles in one...PvE, PvP, lucky blocks and building
12:38	IhrFussel	Maybe an explosion?
12:39	agaran	could be, is that possible result of lucky block?
12:39	IhrFussel	Yes..lucky blocks have troll blocks that explode after 1 sec
12:41	agaran	heh it dropped blue sheep
12:41	agaran	and red
12:45	IhrFussel	Well either the player is lucky...or not so lucky :D That makes lucky blocks also kinda a risk
12:45	agaran	yep, I get idea, but what is use of rails?
12:47	IhrFussel	Rails?
12:47	agaran	like for carts
12:47	IhrFussel	Oh the server has carts type !carts
12:49	IhrFussel	They are sometimes a bit buggy and get stuck mid-air or inside a wall...but most of the time they work just fine
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12:51	agaran	so far from usefull things, gold block, some bronze tools, wodden armor
12:55	IhrFussel	agaran, the blue ones are useless (in case you didn't figure out yet xD)
12:55	agaran	I havent tried them, so far trying to utilize 99 LB and not die too much
12:56	IhrFussel	Is the LBA still usable?
12:56	agaran	looks more like crater region but still workable
12:57	IhrFussel	Lol usually a moderator cleans it up every few hours...I wonder where they are
12:58	IhrFussel	So do you want me to revoke the creative priv?
12:58	agaran	I don't need them so your call :)
12:59	IhrFussel	Okay then let me know if you need it again
12:59	agaran	sure,
13:00	IhrFussel	Is the lag okay right now?
13:00	agaran	2.41 but workable LB sometimes open with delay but I guess it is just code in them
13:01	IhrFussel	Oh yes some "chances" have a delay built-in for some reason
13:02	IhrFussel	Maybe to increase the surprise-effect haha
13:03	agaran	heh, saw something looking like nyan cat then it exploded
13:03	IhrFussel	That is a troll block...I had quite a few players complaining about that before
13:06	IhrFussel	Server spits out every 5 - 10 minutes "active block modifiers took too long"
13:06	agaran	quite often
13:07	IhrFussel	But it got a bit better..before the restart it took up to 700ms...now the maximum is 400ms
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13:08	IhrFussel	So since it's the ABMs I think all the mods that use them add up to the lag
13:09	agaran	yup,
13:10	IhrFussel	My mods contain "register_abm" 23 times...
13:11	IhrFussel	So...only solution is edit each mod file and increase the interval?
13:11	agaran	hmm, yes probably, also I think it more matters how many blocks like that are affected than how many abms is there
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13:19	IhrFussel	agaran, but what I edit now will only affect the ABM cycles NOW..what about the older ones that were registered in the past? Or does the game remove older ones?
13:19	agaran	they are evaluated when mod loads so they will affect objects in world too afaik as defintions come from mod, else you would not have unknown blocks after disabling mod
13:20	IhrFussel	Hmm but does disabling a mod also disable all ABMs it registered?
13:20	agaran	yes
13:25	agaran	well, so far LB provided lots of shovels..
13:26	agaran	lava orb
13:28	IhrFussel	Well I'll try to edit those now...and yes lavaorbs are useless right now...I thought about adding lavaorb-tools but I have no textures :/
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13:28	agaran	they look nice at least in inventory
13:29	IhrFussel	That's true the textures of them are nice
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13:32	agrecascino	i fucked up my install of opensuse
13:32	agrecascino	and are perpretually running out of disk space
13:32	agrecascino	fuck btrfs
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13:35	agaran	IhrFussel: you are trying to reduce abm load so I guess restart will be happening?
13:35	IhrFussel	agaran, understanding ABMs is not so easy..so should I focus on ABMs with very low intervals?
13:36	IhrFussel	Yeah after I edited the ABMs I will do a restart
13:36	agaran	I think more on abms that have both not-so-big interval/chance and lots of blocks
13:38	Fixer	holy shit tumblr is taking my core i3 3.3 Ghz to eats knees
13:38	IhrFussel	Is 15 for interval?
13:38	IhrFussel	low*
13:38	agaran	if not many block then not, if for default:cobble.. then killer
13:39	IhrFussel	Itemframes
13:39	agaran	too bad you can't at runtime peek how many kicks of particular abm was scored..
13:39	agaran	hmm never knew it has any abm.. nor never used itemframe..
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13:40	agaran	what mod it is?
13:40	IhrFussel	itemframes
13:40	agaran	git sourced or else? I need to dl it to see code..
13:40	Fixer	agaran: you can
13:41	agaran	Fixer: how?
13:41	Fixer	agaran: new mod profiler, it has reset and save cmds
13:41	IhrFussel	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5600
13:42	agaran	Fixer: only in dev?
13:42	Fixer	agaran: yes
13:42	Fixer	agaran: before that you need to label your abm of course
13:42	agaran	I am fine with labeling abm too, just need an way for 0.4.14
13:43	Fixer	agaran: win or lin?
13:43	agaran	linux of course..
13:43	Fixer	you can compile a binary yourself, it should not be that hard
13:44	Fixer	it is much harder to do in win then in linux
13:44	Fixer	than*
13:44	agaran	... I know, I want avoid recompiling..
13:44	agaran	I have way too many self compiled things to keep up..
13:46	agaran	IhrFussel: if your entity removal time is >15 then you may be fine with increasing interval a bit...
13:47	IhrFussel	Entity removal time? Not sure what you mean
13:48	agaran	if you drop item it gets removed after some time..
13:48	agaran	I think pedestals are affected by this time..
13:48	IhrFussel	Oh I set that to 120
13:48	agaran	i mean item made by them is removed after a while and they create it again.. so imo try increasing that to 30-45
13:49	IhrFussel	Does change = 1 mean it will always fire?
13:49	IhrFussel	chance*
13:49	agaran	Krock: how you are supposed to wear armor in that 2x3 place to make it look correctly on person?
13:49	agaran	IhrFussel: yes
13:50	Krock	agaran, that's not possible. the shield will always be hidden by the leggins
13:50	agaran	Krock: ah.. ok so not my fault
13:51	IhrFussel	agaran, the homedecor mod has some ABMs that fire every 1-2 seconds
13:51	agaran	but that also depends what they do..
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13:52	IhrFussel	For example coffee maker sound...I will increase that interval a bit
13:54	IhrFussel	Wait so higher chance means less likely to fire??
13:54	agaran	yes
13:54	IhrFussel	That is confusing
13:54	Krock	IhrFussel, the chance acts like a multiplicator of "interval". It makes the stuff random
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13:54	IhrFussel	Krock, yes but usually one would think a chance of 1 is of course less likely than a chance of 2
13:55	resident	anyone wanna play survival now
13:55	Megaf	!server Megaf
13:55	MinetestBot	Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 \| mt.megaf.info:30003 \| Clients: 0/24, 0/0 \| Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext \| Ping: 7ms
13:56	Megaf	MinetestBot: you've been very unresponsive latelly
13:56	Megaf	Hi all
13:56	Megaf	!kick MinetestBot
13:56	Megaf	sfan5: ^
13:56	resident	does minetest has a github repo
13:56	Megaf	hello MinetestBot
13:56	MinetestBot	Hey Megaf!
13:56	Megaf	he is not working anymore
13:56	agaran	hi Megaf, how goes?
13:56	Megaf	resident: yep
13:57	Megaf	resident: github.com/minetest/minetest
13:57	Megaf	resident: github.com/minetest/minetest_game
13:57	Megaf	both
13:57	Megaf	agaran: I'm doing well, working out right now :)
13:57	Megaf	IRCing in the intervals beetween sets
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14:02	Megaf	working out with Daft Punk as soundtrack, that's cool
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14:08	Krock	IhrFussel, would you please be so nice and fix that "Tada" sound volume when someone leveled up?
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14:13	IhrFussel	Krock, too loud? I always use headphones maybe it's louder via speakers
14:14	Krock	IhrFussel, it's about two times as loud as the digging and sent to everybody on the server
14:14	Krock	I think this notification is only relevant for the player
14:14	Krock	..who leveled up
14:15	IhrFussel	Krock, well no it is meant as a sound for everyone...you can disable the login/logout and levelup sounds with !off ... I can reduce the volume though
14:16	Krock	thanks god for !off
14:17	Fixer_	Krock: NSA safe :trollface: oh wait
14:18	IhrFussel	agaran, I increased all interval 1 to interval 2 and some others even more
14:19	Krock	also, filled a whole chest with steel and bronze pickaxes... I won't have ever trouble with mining
14:19	IhrFussel	Made the sound 25% lower
14:19	Krock	:D
14:19	agaran	I got more shovels than pickaxes..
14:19	IhrFussel	Krock, do you think increasing the ABM intervals via minetest.conf helps too with lag?
14:20	* Megaf	how long will that server last
14:20	Megaf	wonder*
14:20	Krock	it would delay the lag
14:20	IhrFussel	That's not what I want...I'd like to eliminate it
14:21	Fixer_	"videogames don't make us violent, lag does"
14:21	Krock	lol
14:21	* Megaf	agrees
14:21	Megaf	!server Fussel
14:21	MinetestBot	Megaf: IhrFussel's Server \| 81.169.215.250:25000 \| Clients: 21/35, 13/28 \| Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest \| Ping: 16ms
14:21	Krock	IhrFussel, nothing against lag problem but you sohuld increase the lucky blocks delay
14:21	Megaf	21 players :S
14:22	Krock	got over two stacks of them now and filled all my chests (even with skipping the armor)
14:23	IhrFussel	Oh you mean the cooldown for the command?
14:23	agaran	and perhaps reduce amount of them you get..
14:24	Krock	yes, the colldown time
14:25	Krock	and the area is somewhat nuked
14:25	IhrFussel	Changed from 25 every 5 minutes to 20 every 8 minutes
14:25	Nosrick	Quick question: why would my HUD (both text and hudbars) overlap each other instead of updating?
14:25	Krock	mhm okay
14:26	IhrFussel	If no moderator joins I'll have to clean that
14:30	IhrFussel	Nosrick, did you use the change HUD function?
14:30	Nosrick	I did.
14:30	Nosrick	But it's suddenly like it's doing an add, instead of an update.
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14:35	Nosrick	It's doing it with both hudbars and vanilla HUD.
14:43	Nosrick	Turns out I was calling hud_add twice. I'm dumb.
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15:05	Nosrick	Why does my formspec suddenly stop receiving fields once I've pushed a button?
15:05	Nosrick	When I push a button, then push a second button nothing happens.
15:07	Fixer_	what crap is this? https://i.imgur.com/KuUW3fk.png
15:08	Nosrick	Woah, spambots.
15:10	Krock	random namegen
15:11	Krock	and broken encoding
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15:16	Nosrick	All of my formspecs have stopped updating.
15:17	Nosrick	After the first button press/inventory move, the form stops updating completely.
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15:28	Nosrick	So I've got them updating, but how do you get the player of a formspec that is shown through show_formspec?
15:32	Nosrick	Krock, any ideas?
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15:34	Krock	on button press?
15:35	Nosrick	Yeah. I've got a formspec shown through show_formspec with a button on it, and when the button is pressed, apparently the sender is nil.
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15:36	Krock	that can't be
15:36	Nosrick	Yeah, that was my exact reaction. :P
15:36	Krock	check if it's the correct formname
15:38	Nosrick	Yup, correct formname.
15:38	Nosrick	Just no sender.
15:40	Krock	you're using "minetest.register_on_player_receive_fields(function(sender, formname, fields)", right?
15:41	Nosrick	Not quite. I'm going minetest.register_on_player_receive_fields(playerMirrorForm.getFields)
15:41	Nosrick	Which has a header of function wizardMirrorForm.getFields(pos, formname, fields, sender)
15:41	Nosrick	The parameters match the on_receive_fields function.
15:42	Krock	no they don't match
15:42	Krock	sender is now pos
15:42	Krock	and your sender param is nil, for sure.
15:43	Nosrick	Ah, I see.
15:43	Krock	Lua does not care if you sorted the params in another way. the params are filled with values from left to right
15:44	Nosrick	Plus I've got an extra one.
15:44	Krock	yes, it will be nil.
15:45	Krock	if it's bound to a position you can simply create a table with the player name as index
15:45	Nosrick	Where on earth did I get pos, formname, fields, sender from? :S
15:45	Krock	and set the value to the last known node pos
15:45	agrecascino	does udp packet loss, cause random connection time outs?
15:46	agrecascino	i have no idea why i added that comma
15:46	Krock	agrecascino, yeah when the packets have a too high delay it can't really communicate well anymore
15:46	Krock	Let's eat grandma!
15:46	Krock	Commas save lifes
15:47	agrecascino	Nosrick, i added MoMtest to my server
15:47	Nosrick	Oh god
15:47	Nosrick	WHY
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15:47	Nosrick	But thank you
15:47	agrecascino	Nosrick, ?
15:48	Krock	agrecascino, funny thing is that I lost like 10 packets per second and somewhen my router/wifi crashed. It didn't result in any timeouts in-game
15:48	Krock	Nosrick, are you new to Lua?
15:48	Nosrick	Yeah, I am.
15:48	Krock	(maybe I'm asking this the 2nd time, dunno)
15:48	agrecascino	mruby for minetest 2016!
15:48	Nosrick	agrecascino, it's still in VERY early stages, but I'm glad someone likes it.
15:48	Nosrick	You'll want to update it once I do this next push.
15:49	Krock	BTW, WHY IS CAPS SOMETIMES FORBIDDEN EVEN WHEN THE KEYBOARD HAS THEM PRINTED IN CAPITALS? STUPID WORLD
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15:54	Nosrick	rubenwardy!
15:56	rubenwardy	hi Nosrick
15:56	agrecascino	do you guys think that the lua interpreter is fast enough to decode a 32 channel xm file?
16:05	agaran	depends on how fast cpu you run it on?
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16:19	hwittaker	What is a minetest?
16:20	Void7	?
16:20	resident	bitcoin mining
16:20	resident	test
16:20	resident	it's a tool that determines how potent your gpu is
16:20	hwittaker	Is that a joke reply or a real one?
16:20	resident	real
16:21	hwittaker	How can there be GPU mining of Bitcoin in 2016?
16:21	hwittaker	I thought that became infeasible in 2012 or something.
16:21	hwittaker	Or earlier.
16:21	xunto	hwittaker: why don't you read description on website or github?
16:21	sfan5	gpu bitcoin mining was still feasible in 2013
16:21	xunto	Your question is just to strange
16:21	hwittaker	Okay, so you lied.
16:21	hwittaker	It's Minecraft something.
16:21	xunto	So it foreces us to joke
16:21	xunto	hwittaker: kinda
16:22	resident	kinda?
16:22	resident	it's a clone
16:22	resident	of minecraft
16:22	xunto	I don't agree :D
16:22	Void7	what is this "node"? i'm looking at the wiki and I can't find anything
16:22	Void7	is minetest like a tree or something?
16:22	xunto	Void7: lol
16:22	hwittaker	How come everyone who is a great coder needs to make a Minecraft clone? I know it's a very attractive idea, but it's sort of ruined by the fact that that smug Notch guy got first.
16:22	xunto	resident: so any voxel based game is minecraft clone?
16:23	xunto	Minecraft wasn't even first :/
16:23	rubenwardy	blatant troll detected
16:23	resident	minetest is a minecraft clone
16:23	resident	this is so obvious that i can just repeat this sentence as an argument
16:23	Void7	minecraft is an infiniminer clone
16:23	xunto	hwittaker: minecraft is proprietarty and lack of modding api
16:24	xunto	resident: ok, I don't care.
16:24	resident	wow why so passive
16:24	agaran	do not feed trolls.
16:24	xunto	Because it doesn't even matter.
16:24	resident	true
16:25	hwittaker	How come there are mods for Minecraft if it has no modding API?
16:25	xunto	hwittaker: illegal decompilations
16:26	rubenwardy	I wouldn't call mods for Minecraft real mods, they're patches of the source code
16:26	rubenwardy	unless you use forge or whatever it's called
16:26	est31	They are "mods" in the "modification" sense
16:27	est31	not in the plugin sense that minetest has
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16:28	xunto	hwittaker: anyway, I like the idea I can make mintest better by my hands. Fix bugs and etc. With minecraft I have no way to do that.
16:28	kaen	does anyone know how to get the node position that a player is looking at?
16:28	hwittaker	Does it support VR?
16:28	est31	hwittaker, yes
16:28	hwittaker	Cool. Might try it with my HTC Vive, assuming it's supported.
16:29	est31	hwittaker, there is no super native oculus support but VR as in "display two images next to each other" is supported
16:29	est31	with a custom setting
16:30	hwittaker	Not sure how my Vive would make those two images into one unless the game supports it natively.
16:30	hwittaker	There may be programs that hook into it or something, but that doesn't feel very solid.
16:30	xunto	It supports anaglyph as VR)
16:30	sfan5	kaen: with lua?
16:30	kaen	:v
16:30	kaen	well yeah
16:30	kaen	I mean, I know how to calculate it with the eye offset, lookdir, player position, and a intersection test. But I was hoping someone had already done that?
16:31	est31	Its called 3d_mode
16:31	sfan5	why would you want to calculate it?
16:31	kaen	I don't really want to calculate it, I just want to know it
16:31	kaen	for a helper function for extracting schematics.
16:32	est31	hwittaker, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L536-L545
16:32	est31	see that link
16:32	sfan5	kaen: generally when callbacks fire you sometimes get a pointed_thing object which tells you what the player is pointing at
16:32	kaen	this is running from a chatcommand
16:32	sfan5	not sure whether you can also fetch it just normally
16:32	kaen	yeah doesn't sound like it
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16:33	kaen	no obvious place in the api
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16:33	kaen	looks like I'm writing an intersection test
16:34	sfan5	nah
16:34	sfan5	just ask the player to punch some node
16:34	sfan5	then take the coords from that
16:36	kaen	that can work, is there a way to deregister a callback though?
16:37	kaen	actually I can tell that answer from the methods list :P
16:37	* kaen	grymbles
16:38	sfan5	just don't do anything if the player was not asked to do anything
16:38	kaen	definitely
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16:45	kaen	google is so op, I just found a mod that does what I need already
16:57	agaran	heh, thats good, right?
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17:00	Nosrick	agrecascino, you there?
17:00	agrecascino	Nosrick, somewhat
17:01	Nosrick	Update your server!
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17:01	Nosrick	MoMTest just got a pretty significant bug fix update.
17:23	Nosrick	I think I'm going to remove Black Sleep (a spell that renders an enemy helpless) and replace it with Summon Zombie. Removing control from a player seems unfun.
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17:31	agrecascino	Nosrick, CTCPing you a trace
17:31	Krock2	morgan.freenode.net died?
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17:32	agaran	Krock: well not sure, btw, dug first mese
17:32	Krock	grats. I got about 12 of them just by mining the lucky blocks :/
17:33	Krock	mese crystals or blocks'
17:33	agaran	yea.. and 1 diamond by killing some fireball throwing monster in caves deep
17:33	Krock	*?
17:33	agaran	crystals.. too shallow for block
17:35	Nosrick	agrecascino, I'm pretty sure I fixed that bug, update your MoMTest.
17:35	agrecascino	Nosrick, you didn't fix it in stable
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17:36	Nosrick	Hm, strange. Was it with or without the mana API??
17:37	Nosrick	Shit, it could be a problem with the mana API.
17:38	Nosrick	Because it's happening in a mana API call.
17:38	agaran	mana api.. :) I like how it sounds
17:38	Nosrick	Either that, or the value being passed in is nil, which it should never, ever be.
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17:42	hisforever	Hi all I'd like to know how do I craft glow blocks?
17:42	agaran	torch and glass?
17:42	agaran	two torches for super glow glass
17:43	hisforever	ty Agaran
17:46	agaran	yw
17:48	hisforever	Agaran I need a white glow block for lighting?
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17:49	agaran	hmm mese lamp then? if you want non transparent
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17:50	agaran	Krock: 23 crystals.. :)
17:50	Krock	grats :)
17:51	agaran	thx
17:51	agaran	-400 only..
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18:03	agaran	Krock: there is awesome feature added.. silencer for all user-chat.. server and pms work over that..
18:04	Krock	so.. less spam?
18:04	agaran	yup
18:07	agaran	IhrFussel: are there chests where one may drop stuff for newbies or that does not exist?
18:09	IhrFussel	agaran, You mean a public chest any player can take from?
18:09	agaran	yep, so I can drop there some spare things I don't need but don't want to trash..
18:09	agaran	if there is none, no big deal.. :)
18:10	IhrFussel	Feel free to make one or more and protect the areas so that they can only access the chests
18:10	IhrFussel	You can do one near the spawn if you want, and even place a sign that leads player to them
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18:13	agaran	heh, idle-check does not count that I work on items assuming no move -> idle
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18:14	IhrFussel	Yes cause I didn't want to make the check too heavy
18:15	IhrFussel	But it does check for chat messages so if you send one idle time is 0
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18:17	agaran	I see, well makes sense I think :)
18:21	nm0i	Is there any mobile-friendly book mod?
18:21	agaran	IhrFussel: do you maybe know how to tame animals there?
18:22	IhrFussel	agaran, depends on the animal...each animal type has its own respective food to be tamed
18:22	agaran	ah, this way :)
18:24	IhrFussel	Yep feed it enough then it will be tamed..but it can take a while and you can't tame every animal...only cats,rabbits,sheep and chicken I think
18:24	agaran	thats more than I thought :)
18:26	IhrFussel	Can you check the lag for me please?
18:27	agaran	naturlich, 2.39425
18:27	IhrFussel	Increasing the ABM intervals didn't help...
18:28	agaran	or not enough, if there is enough blocks still will be lot of abm, but did times reported in log decreased? or amount of them?
18:30	agrecascino	Nosrick, if you figure it out, tell me
18:30	Nosrick	I'm trying, but I can't even replicate it. Can you zip up your mods folder for me?
18:30	agrecascino	sure
18:31	Nosrick	Thanks!
18:31	IhrFussel	agaran, No WARNING since restart but it's too early to tell
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18:31	agaran	IhrFussel: then lets see till tomorrow, even if lag is there but there is no warning I consider it an improvement..
18:32	agrecascino	https://0x0.st/Mu0.zip
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18:32	agrecascino	Nosrick, there
18:33	Nosrick	Cheers, I'll see if I can replicate it with the modpack.
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18:38	agaran	IhrFussel: one thing I miss are elevators.. though with flying it is not as bad as would be without
18:47	IhrFussel	agaran, I could probably add those later on but for now I want to stop the lagging xD I edited the default mods now and increased EVERY ABM interval x 2
18:47	agaran	I know, I don't really need them much, just I have quite stairs to my place;)
18:50	agaran	IhrFussel: is there index of bot commands?
18:52	IhrFussel	!commands
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18:56	Nosrick	agrecascino, I really can't find the source of the crash.
18:56	Nosrick	The only thing I can think of is that someone punched the font while it was being used, which resets the metadata.
18:56	Nosrick	But that doesn't explain the stack trace...
19:03	agrecascino	Nosrick, where does your mod store it's data
19:03	Nosrick	In a file.
19:04	Nosrick	Or, in several, rather.
19:04	Nosrick	I think there's two for each player, so far.
19:04	Nosrick	I couldn't get them to go into their own neat little folder, unfortunately.
19:06	agrecascino	i deleted my metadata, and i caused the server the server to crash anyway
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19:08	Nosrick	Does it trace back to momtest?
19:08	LinuxGuy2020	Is there any way to connect to a server and download all of the installed mods, instead of having to go download them all individually if I want to create my own server? Are they copied locally anywhere when you connect to a server?
19:08	agaran	you can get list of mods, but then you need to dl all manually
19:10	LinuxGuy2020	ok thanks
19:10	IhrFussel	LinuxGuy2020, no you cannot simply copy server mods from the cache folder of the client AFAIK and it's good that way cause each server should have its own signature features
19:12	sofar	mods are not sent from the server to the client
19:12	sofar	only assets (textures, models, sounds)
19:14	agrecascino	Nosrick, yes
19:15	Nosrick	Damn it. Can you PM me the trace?
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19:17	Nosrick	It shouldn't be doing that. All of the variables should have a value.
19:17	Nosrick	Wait, shit.
19:17	Nosrick	I know what's happening.
19:17	Nosrick	The mana API doesn't handle its metadata being deleted very well
19:18	Nosrick	Disable the mana API, and it should work.
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19:21	Nosrick	Ah, wait! I know what it could be, now. It might not be the mana API (though it could be a problem), it might actually be the way I'm storing the mana/research/skill variables.
19:21	Nosrick	Let me change it and I'll get it pushed.
19:38	agrecascino	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15388
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19:47	Nosrick	agrecascino, try that now. It should hopefully work.
19:49	agrecascino	merge with master?
19:51	Nosrick	Just made a few small changes, let me just merge again.
19:51	Nosrick	There.
19:51	Nosrick	Pull!
19:53	agrecascino	crash
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19:54	agrecascino	Nosrick, sent trace
19:54	Nosrick	Only seemed to get half of it
19:56	agrecascino	sent all
19:57	Nosrick	Cheers.
19:59	Nosrick	Alright, try that.
20:00	swift110	hey guys
20:02	Nosrick	Hey swift110!
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20:04	Nosrick	shamoanjac!
20:05	shamoanjac	Nosrick, !
20:05	Nosrick	How goes your devving?
20:05	agrecascino	no crash
20:06	Nosrick	YES!
20:06	Nosrick	I mean
20:06	Nosrick	That's good.
20:06	swift110	how are you nosrick
20:06	Nosrick	I'm fantastic now that I fixed that pesky crash.
20:06	Nosrick	How are you?
20:06	agrecascino	CANNOT MOD MANA
20:06	agrecascino	CANNOT MOD MANA
20:06	Nosrick	AW MAN WHAT
20:07	agrecascino	no crash though
20:09	Nosrick	That should be fixed, now. Pull!
20:09	shamoanjac	well I haven't done anything today
20:09	agrecascino	shamoanjac, sleeping?
20:09	shamoanjac	I'll be back home in two days
20:09	shamoanjac	no, I was out with my family
20:10	agrecascino	you broke it
20:10	Nosrick	Aw, damn it
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20:11	resident	anyone wanna play survival with me now
20:13	shamoanjac	join catgirls.animebitch.es and start insulting a guy named "Xenos" and try to grief him
20:13	shamoanjac	then you'll get some survival
20:13	agrecascino	shamoanjac, why
20:13	agrecascino	oh
20:13	agrecascino	heh
20:14	shamoanjac	btw Minetest has the bypass-protection-with-lag bug that Minecraft had (and probably still has)
20:14	shamoanjac	so if a player makes a 1-block thin wall, it's possible to get in his house
20:14	shamoanjac	provided that your latency is high enough
20:15	agaran	yup noticed that already.. now building double block walls..
20:15	agaran	especially ceilings
20:16	agrecascino	Nosrick, crash
20:16	Nosrick	URGH
20:17	resident	plaaay wiiith meeeee
20:17	resident	someooooone
20:18	resident	im loonellyy
20:18	resident	sooo loneelllyyyyy
20:18	resident	aaaaaaah
20:18	agrecascino	resident, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsBC-vF0ZeU
20:19	Nosrick	Oh lordy
20:20	resident	thats me right now
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20:24	Nosrick	Please, please let it work now.
20:26	agrecascino	worked
20:27	swift110	hmm
20:27	Nosrick	Phew.
20:27	Nosrick	Let's hope it doesn't fuck everything up.
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20:30	agrecascino	can someone help me with this?
20:30	agrecascino	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15388
20:31	Nosrick	I wish I knew more. I'd maybe raise an issue.
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20:34	Nosrick	I should play video games. I haven't played anything in weeks.
20:34	resident	yes
20:34	resident	play survival with me
20:34	agrecascino	Nosrick, other than minetest?
20:34	Nosrick	I've only tested stuff, not really played.
20:34	shamoanjac	I don't play much either
20:34	agrecascino	Nosrick, same
20:34	Nosrick	It's been exhausting.
20:34	shamoanjac	just Minetest, OpenTTD, some Quake 3
20:34	agrecascino	anyone up for some UT99?
20:34	Nosrick	Nice choices.
20:35	shamoanjac	I don't have a proper mouse
20:35	Nosrick	Same; I'm using a laptop touchpad.
20:35	thePalindrome	Xonotic is a nice ut-like
20:35	shamoanjac	Xonotic is pretty cool
20:35	KaadmY	'cept Xonotic has far worse performance than ut99 for me :)
20:35	shamoanjac	also I used to play Sauerbraten a lot
20:35	thePalindrome	Weird
20:35	KaadmY	sauer is insta hell
20:35	shamoanjac	yes lel
20:36	shamoanjac	not that I disliked it
20:36	Nosrick	agrecascino, can you still cast spells?
20:36	agrecascino	Nosrick, not sure
20:36	resident	where do you find minetest mods
20:36	Nosrick	Forums, mostly.
20:36	thePalindrome	My hard drive, after throwing it toghether :P
20:36	resident	should implement a mod gallery in the game menu
20:36	Nosrick	That'd be super neat.
20:37	thePalindrome	I suppose, but then that defeats some of the decentralization of it all
20:37	resident	what's a fun mod
20:37	thePalindrome	Plus, what about off-brand clients?
20:37	Nosrick	Mesecons is great.
20:38	Nosrick	I'd plug my mod, but I don't have much to show for it, yet.
20:38	Nosrick	But agrecascino, that absolute madman, has put it on his server anyway.
20:38	shamoanjac	decentralization != no mod gallery
20:38	agrecascino	i have the best domain
20:38	Void7	what?
20:38	agrecascino	domains*
20:39	agrecascino	yourwaifuish.it
20:39	thePalindrome	I know it doesn't always mean that, but...
20:39	agrecascino	animebitch.es
20:39	shamoanjac	there could be a mod tracker and then you download mods via bittorrent
20:39	Void7	!server agrecascino
20:39	MinetestBot	Void7: No results
20:39	Void7	!server such
20:39	MinetestBot	Void7: No results
20:39	Void7	!servers
20:39	agrecascino	i'm not on the server list, i think
20:39	thePalindrome	The most ISPs would send copyright notices when they detect bittorrent
20:39	Nosrick	You're on the dark net.
20:40	thePalindrome	mainly comcast
20:40	agrecascino	im not sure if 8chan counts as darknet
20:40	Nosrick	(It actually does, it's not indexed by any search engine)
20:40	thePalindrome	Dark, but not deep
20:40	thePalindrome	By that logic my site is a dark net though :P
20:40	shamoanjac	technically
20:41	thePalindrome	With the exception of the main page and any search engine that doesn't obey robots.txt
20:41	shamoanjac	8chan is 99% deep web but certainly not a darknet
20:41	resident	how is 8chan deep web
20:41	shamoanjac	if we go by "deep web = not indexed by search engines"
20:41	resident	google cripplekike
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20:42	shamoanjac	deep web is usually defined as being the set of webpages that are dynamically generated and not indexed
20:42	shamoanjac	lots of people believe urban legends about h4x0r5 though and believe deep web = Tor network
20:43	Nosrick	Tor has a hilarious reputation
20:43	thePalindrome	^
20:43	agrecascino	i2p is edgier
20:43	shamoanjac	even though Tor is not a darknet and a lot of Tor websites are not deep web
20:43	shamoanjac	i2p is an actual darknet iirc
20:43	* thePalindrome	should offor his site as a hidden service sometime
20:46	resident	i2p has more content
20:46	agrecascino	tor as a darknet is cutting yourself edgy
20:47	resident	tor allows me to spam imageboards
20:47	agrecascino	thats edgy
20:47	resident	thats fun
20:47	* thePalindrome	uses tor to access the strategic intelligence network
20:47	thePalindrome	anything else I don't care
20:49	shamoanjac	the last time I tried i2p, it would connect to 0/0 nodes
20:49	agrecascino	new thread when?
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20:49	shamoanjac	well I did the current one
20:49	shamoanjac	not my turn
20:49	shamoanjac	fam
20:49	shamoanjac	tbh
20:49	Nosrick	When did this place turn into 8chan?
20:50	agrecascino	like 2 weeks ago
20:52	resident	if this was 8chan we'd all be banned
20:53	shamoanjac	this is 8chan territory now
20:53	shamoanjac	s h i t p o s t
20:54	agrecascino	:D :^)
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20:54	thePalindrome	4chan likes to hand out bans, 8chan was everyone that got kicked out of 4chan
20:55	sfan5	what about 2ch
20:55	resident	and now 8chan is infested by rulecuck mods and volunteers
20:55	agrecascino	japan
20:55	agrecascino	resident, fuck off /intl/
20:55	resident	im 100% goon
20:56	resident	sliding /pol/ threads is the only reason i go there anymore
20:58	Nosrick	/pol/ is a shitposter's paradise
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20:58	resident	neckbeard's paradise
20:58	shamoanjac	/pol/ is pretty annoying
20:58	resident	its da jewwws
20:58	shamoanjac	but they're like 25% of the website's traffic so of course Jim doesn't want to lose them
20:58	resident	dem nogs r the reason im a virgin
20:59	shamoanjac	pretty much
20:59	shamoanjac	also the nickelodeon cuckoldry conspiracy
20:59	shamoanjac	Bella and the Bulls
20:59	shamoanjac	we got a couple months of extra cuckposting
21:00	resident	i love how /pol/ is being spammed on every imageboard now
21:02	shamoanjac	serves them right for being the new /b/
21:09	agrecascino	he guys they're fucking up the mozilla logo
21:10	agrecascino	hey*
21:11	shamoanjac	Â¿?
21:11	Nosrick	Que?
21:11	agrecascino	https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/now-for-the-fun-part/
21:11	resident	Â¡!
21:12	agrecascino	mozilla is dead
21:12	shamoanjac	they all suck tbh
21:12	agrecascino	http://8ch.net/tech/res/641576.html#641576
21:12	agrecascino	they made another one
21:13	shamoanjac	a new what?
21:13	resident	jim is so dirty in every way imaginable
21:13	shamoanjac	>Hotwheels broke infinity next with a poor captcha
21:13	agrecascino	a codemonkey fix your shit thread
21:13	shamoanjac	true
21:13	resident	just browsing the site gives me the creeps
21:13	shamoanjac	>Josh is an asshole but he sperged out because Jim was being a gigantic backstabbing shady kike
21:13	shamoanjac	200% true
21:13	shamoanjac	>Jim openly does not follow 8chans privacy policy or tos
21:13	shamoanjac	true
21:14	shamoanjac	shit all of the greentext is true
21:14	resident	josh is in the right
21:14	shamoanjac	3>8chans /tech/ Board Volunteers support the Migration as "ring" has already set up the /tech/ Board at 16chan.nl
21:14	shamoanjac	time to shitpost in #/tech/ and get Yet Another Ban (tm)
21:15	shamoanjac	btw is hotwheels really kill
21:15	resident	16chan is dead
21:15	shamoanjac	yes
21:15	sfan5	>16chan
21:15	sfan5	wat
21:15	shamoanjac	the free chans will not survive another split
21:15	agrecascino	shamoanjac, finish cchan when?
21:15	shamoanjac	most 8chan posters would rather just go to 4chan
21:15	shamoanjac	actually, I'd like to continue on C-Chan
21:15	resident	there are enough alternatives, just low traffic
21:15	shamoanjac	yeah
21:15	shamoanjac	that's the problem
21:16	shamoanjac	no community
21:16	Nosrick	All of those Mozilla logos are shit, except maybe the Moz://a one.
21:16	shamoanjac	masterchan is pedo heaven
21:16	resident	new pedo heaven is librechan.net
21:16	shamoanjac	really?
21:16	resident	yep try it
21:16	shamoanjac	ok NSA
21:16	agrecascino	top board is /hebe/
21:16	Nosrick	resident confirmed for FBI agent
21:16	shamoanjac	at least it defaults to HTTPS
21:16	resident	when 8/b/ started banning pedo boards and thread on /b/ they migrated to librechan instead of masterchan like everyone believed
21:17	agrecascino	shit
21:17	shamoanjac	3>/hebe/
21:17	shamoanjac	3>/younglove/
21:17	shamoanjac	3>/nonude/
21:17	shamoanjac	3>/cutegirls/
21:17	resident	if you say anything against pedo shit you get called a rulecuck lol
21:17	shamoanjac	I didn't know the whole /hebe/ community had switched to there
21:18	agrecascino	shamoanjac, i want to finish cchan
21:18	Nosrick	I just type cloaca instead of cloak.
21:18	Nosrick	Kill me.
21:18	shamoanjac	to be fairly honest, the presence of legal pedos on a website are a sign of low rulecucking
21:18	agrecascino	Nosrick, snek pussy
21:18	shamoanjac	agrecascino, it's a mess
21:18	agrecascino	shamoanjac, rewrite in c++?
21:18	* thePalindrome	leaves
21:18	Nosrick	You know, we're probably frightening the locals.
21:19	agrecascino	migrate to ##shitpost?
21:19	shamoanjac	oops right
21:19	sfan5	discuss as much as you want here
21:19	shamoanjac	idk agrecascino, C-Chan is C-Chan, not Cpp-Chan
21:19	agrecascino	sfan5, and call the police later?
21:19	shamoanjac	the goal was to create a chan in ANSI C
21:19	sfan5	yes
21:20	sfan5	shamoanjac: have they considered rewriting it in rust?
21:20	agrecascino	shamoanjac, striiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiings
21:20	agrecascino	sfan5, FUCK No
21:20	shamoanjac	No!!!!!!!!
21:20	shamoanjac	I want K&R C
21:20	agrecascino	FUC KYOUR BORROW CHECKER
21:20	agrecascino	NO
21:20	agrecascino	NO
21:20	agrecascino	NO
21:20	shamoanjac	I mean I know Rust or C++ would be better for a chan software
21:20	sfan5	just use php
21:21	frostsnow	Is there wa way to get a list of items available under the '/giveme' command? I can't seem to get things like Steel Ingots, because I don't know whether to type 'steel_ingot', '"Steel Ingot"', &c.
21:21	shamoanjac	but what I wanted to do was a full server by myself in C
21:21	Nosrick	You best be joking, sfan5.
21:21	shamoanjac	currently it serves static content just fine
21:21	sfan5	frostsnow: maybe there's a mod that lists items
21:21	sfan5	but in any case
21:21	Nosrick	frostsnow, I think it's actually "default:steel_ingot"
21:21	sfan5	look into the source code of minetest_game/default/items.lua
21:21	shamoanjac	frostsnow, if you check the wiki, item names are there
21:21	agrecascino	install unified inventory
21:21	Nosrick	You need to put the modname before it, usually.
21:22	frostsnow	Nosrick: That worked, thanks.
21:22	Nosrick	Welcome!
21:23	frostsnow	Ah, I see, I need the modname before it. That explains why I couldn't get anything from the mods I had installed...
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21:30	resident	i'm just following people on servers now because noone wants to play with me
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21:30	resident	how sad am i
21:31	agrecascino	not very
21:31	Calinou	what about Sadie2492? or Sadie4601? :P
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21:33	shamoanjac	earlier this morning I went on a populated server
21:33	shamoanjac	why do people have these nicks?
21:33	shamoanjac	with four digits?
21:33	nm0i	Calinou: Sadie4601 is cool dude.
21:33	nm0i	Unlike other Sadies
21:33	shamoanjac	is that some kind of Android name?
21:34	Calinou	shamoanjac: a while ago, "Guest"'s were added in Minetest core
21:34	Calinou	if you logged in with an empty username, it named you Guest**** instead
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21:34	Calinou	many Android forks replaced Guest with something else, such as SqueakeCrafter, Sadie, â€¦
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21:34	nm0i	...MulticraftRules..
21:35	shamoanjac	lol Calinou
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21:35	shamoanjac	shamoanjac9000
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22:00	Megaf	!server Megaf
22:00	MinetestBot	Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 \| mt.megaf.info:30003 \| Clients: 0/24, 0/1 \| Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext \| Ping: 8ms
22:00	Megaf	!server Calinou
22:00	MinetestBot	Megaf: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) \| hugo.pro:30002 \| Clients: 0/32, 1/7 \| Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest \| Ping: 12ms
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22:02	nm0i	hi
22:03	Sadie3141	Hello
22:04	Nosrick	Hello!
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22:13	Megaf	hi
22:15	swift110	lol
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22:27	DoyleChris	I need some help with Mobs Redo
22:28	DoyleChris	I added a few things to the list to purchase but recently i get this error
22:28	DoyleChris	http://pastebin.com/gridR700
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22:41	Fixer	DoyleChris: post this to tenplus1 on his mobs redo page forum
22:42	Fixer	DoyleChris: he is pretty quick in solving this
22:44	DoyleChris	ill do that
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23:31	alkotob	I've been looking at the C code and I'm trying to think of a way
23:31	alkotob	to allow players to enter portals to other servers
23:32	LinuxGuy2020	Ok I got a virtualbox linux install with current minetest on it. I tried doing the "minetest --server --world World" the server starts but no mods get loaded up. Why?
23:32	LinuxGuy2020	Its running inside a NAS4Free box.
23:33	thePalindrome	Is it running in standalone mode?
23:33	LinuxGuy2020	Whats that mean?
23:34	thePalindrome	Did you get minetest from your package manager?
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23:34	LinuxGuy2020	No got latest dev
23:35	thePalindrome	From where?
23:35	thePalindrome	If you are just using "minetest" then that would imply you have it installed via a package manager
23:35	LinuxGuy2020	Oh yeah its the deb I downloaded.
23:36	LinuxGuy2020	0.14 or whatever
23:36	LinuxGuy2020	0.4.14
23:36	thePalindrome	Alright, I would look in ~/.minetest/mods/
23:36	LinuxGuy2020	single player game works fine
23:37	LinuxGuy2020	yeah
23:37	thePalindrome	That should be where the mods will go in your install
23:37	thePalindrome	tbh, your install is terrifying
23:37	thePalindrome	I'm not even sure if you are using a linux or a bsd
23:37	LinuxGuy2020	Linux virtualbox.
23:37	LinuxGuy2020	inside BSD
23:37	LinuxGuy2020	Works fine
23:38	LinuxGuy2020	Just like haveing a linux PC on the network
23:38	thePalindrome	Not what I mean
23:38	thePalindrome	Under BSD you should never edit anything in /etc for any reason
23:38	LinuxGuy2020	Who said I did?
23:38	thePalindrome	alright, nas4free isn't linux, it's bsd
23:38	LinuxGuy2020	OMG
23:38	thePalindrome	I need to understand your system before I can give helpful advice.
23:39	LinuxGuy2020	NAS4Free has virtualbox inside it. You can run Linux virtual machines within it to add software and functionality.
23:39	thePalindrome	Which linux distro are you running then!
23:39	LinuxGuy2020	Lets just call it a linux box thats all it is.
23:39	LinuxGuy2020	Linux Mint 18
23:39	thePalindrome	Different distros place things in different locations
23:39	LinuxGuy2020	ok
23:39	thePalindrome	Alright, nice to know you are using garbage
23:39	LinuxGuy2020	fuck you dude
23:40	thePalindrome	Unless mint really screwed up, there should be a man page for minetestserver
23:40	LinuxGuy2020	Insults usually happen when the person trying to help has no clue. Past experience.
23:41	thePalindrome	So why are you insulting me?
23:41	LinuxGuy2020	I dont want your help.
23:41	LinuxGuy2020	Lets move on.
23:41	thePalindrome	Why don't you want my help?
23:41	Megaf	folks, calm down
23:41	Megaf	LinuxGuy2020: find the folder world and file worl.mt
23:42	LinuxGuy2020	ok
23:42	thePalindrome	I do suggest checking the man page, if your distro puts things a bit weird, the man page should help
23:42	Megaf	you have to edit the file and set the mod you want to load to true
23:42	Megaf	you will understand when you find it
23:42	LinuxGuy2020	Megaf: Perfect your wonderful.
23:42	LinuxGuy2020	Megaf: Thank you
23:42	Megaf	LinuxGuy2020: four years of running minetest servers ;)
23:43	Megaf	but no need to insult people man
23:43	* thePalindrome	wonders why people hate ghim
23:43	thePalindrome	plsdk;aaaaaaaaa\]
23:43	LinuxGuy2020	Megaf: One problem. They are all true. But none load.
23:43	Megaf	LinuxGuy2020: what is your objective?
23:43	LinuxGuy2020	Megaf: Im starting the terminal in home folder. Could that be why they dont load?
23:44	LinuxGuy2020	Megaf:Should I run it from /home/user/.minetest instead?
23:44	Megaf	if you want a standalone server you should use a thing called minetestserver instead of minetest
23:44	Megaf	that to begin with
23:44	LinuxGuy2020	Megaf: Start a dedicated server with mods that I have working in single player mode.
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23:44	LinuxGuy2020	Megaf: Is that a seperate download?
23:45	LinuxGuy2020	Megaf: I mean "minetest --server" not the same?
23:45	Megaf	minetestserver --world /path/to/your/world --config serverconfigurationfile.conf
23:46	Megaf	LinuxGuy2020: I'm not sure, I don't use the pre packaged version, I build it myself, hold on
23:46	Megaf	let me check
23:46	LinuxGuy2020	ok
23:46	Megaf	LinuxGuy2020: so, if you are using a deb based distro the package is minetest-server
23:48	MinetestBot	[git] Megaf -> minetest/minetest_game: Flowers: Add missing aliases for mushrooms from the mushroom mod 3be2f12 https://git.io/v6DwF (2016-08-22T00:43:04+01:00)
23:48	LinuxGuy2020	Megaf: ok so Linux Mint 18 has minetest-server 0.4.13 so Ill try that then. Ok.
23:48	Megaf	perfect
23:48	LinuxGuy2020	Megaf: Thanks so much
23:49	Megaf	You're welcome. But you will still have some troubles I presume. Any question just politely ask and me or someone else will be happy in helping.
23:49	LinuxGuy2020	Megaf: Ok
23:50	Megaf	Always good seeing your contribution to minetest being merged :)
23:51	Megaf	[00:48:08] <MinetestBot> [git] Megaf -> minetest/minetest_game: Flowers: Add missing aliases for mushrooms from the mushroom mod 3be2f12 https://git.io/v6DwF (2016-08-22T00:43:04+01:00)
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