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00:20 hisforever In singleplayer mode how to I maske it daylight all the time?
00:21 Void7 you can use /time to set time
00:21 Void7 /set -n time_speed <speed>
00:22 hisforever ty void5
00:22 Void7 i am void7 :< and np
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01:02 hisforever I've renamed every mod what it says to rename mods but I keep getting these errors that I don't understand grrrrr
01:08 Void7 what error?
01:10 hisforever I'll do a screenshot brb
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01:17 hisforever http://imgur.com/vi8vWgu there is the webpage.
01:18 hisforever What is CTCP ?
01:18 Void7 client-to-client protocol
01:19 hisforever tu
01:19 Void7 also that screenshot is of hexchat
01:20 hisforever whoops sorry
01:25 hisforever http://imgur.com/7vsa8ty there it is
01:25 hisforever no mods are working
01:27 Void7 can you use a pastebin and post the whole debug.txt?
01:28 hisforever ok
01:30 nm0i How it happened I can't see my legs and body, but I see my hand.
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02:43 Miner_48er can a mod get a dir listing or does that need to be an OS call?
02:50 KaadmY oh, TGminer's here, too?
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03:27 MinetestBot [git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest_game: Move nyancats into a separate mod 3661cb6 https://git.io/vK2aV (2016-07-18T04:15:44+01:00)
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08:55 JamesTait Good morning!  Happy Monday, and happy Caviar Day! 😃
09:00 swift110-phone hey
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09:34 basil60 Hi is it possible to (without mods) allow creation of a pyramid, where blocks half overlap, and gravity affects poorly laid blocks. The idea would be to simulate real pyramid building?
09:35 Calinou basil60: without mods, you'd have to either generate it in C++ or let players build those by hand :P
09:37 basil60 calinou: but when you lay blocks, they sit on top of one another. How do I get them to offset by half a block
09:38 Calinou there is no such thing as "half a block" in Minetest (or any voxel engine pretty much)
09:39 basil60 calinou: so what I want to do is impossible, in short
09:39 Calinou probably
09:40 basil60 calinou: ok..just seemed like a good idea as a simulation, to look at pyramid building.
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10:46 shangul how do i make mese lamp?pls dont refer to wiki
10:56 Calinou shangul: so you want us to check wiki for you? :)
10:56 Calinou _ X _
10:56 Calinou X O X
10:56 Calinou _ _ _
10:56 Calinou where X is mese crystal, and O is glass
11:05 shangul ¤[15:28] <Calinou> shangul: so you want us to check wiki for you? :) => my browser doesnt show wiki crafting guides well!
11:05 shangul thanks
11:05 Calinou what browser do you use?
11:06 Calinou both Firefox and Chromium render those fine
11:06 shangul i use opera mini 4.5!lol
11:07 Calinou yeah that's why
11:07 shangul do u have any ascii guide?
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11:11 shangul [15:28] <Calinou> shangul: so you want us to check wiki for you? :) => to be honest yes!
11:11 Calinou we don't
11:12 Out`Of`Control hi
11:13 shangul hai
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14:02 Megaf Hi
14:03 Megaf JamesTait: what day is today?
14:03 ElectronLibre Megaf: Caviar Day apparently
14:03 Megaf oh, I don't like that
14:03 Megaf not the food itself nor the way they get it
14:03 DonBatman Free caviar?
14:04 VanessaE Today is "Get out of the Doghouse Day"
14:04 VanessaE apparently.
14:04 VanessaE he missed yesterday, too, I think
14:04 agaran can I just say 'Good afternoon' ?
14:04 VanessaE (I believe he said he gets his daily greeting list from https://www.daysoftheyear.com/ )
14:04 Krock WD Caviar Green 1 TB SATA2
14:04 DonBatman you can but it is morning here
14:05 VanessaE agaran: Universal Greeting Time.
14:05 ElectronLibre DonBatman: I think Megaf's referring to the need in order to get cavia to tear open a sturgeon's stomach and extract the eggs (pure caviar)
14:05 Megaf 15:05 here
14:05 VanessaE it's always morning when you sign on, and it's always evening when you sign off, regardless of your local time and sleep habits. :)
14:05 ElectronLibre I'm not entirely sure about it but I recall that's where real caviar is from
14:06 Megaf is there other types of caviar?
14:06 VanessaE also, good morning all.
14:06 Megaf form e caviar is fish eggs
14:06 Megaf morning agaran VanessaE
14:06 Megaf g'morning
14:06 Krock \o/ Tomorrow is the PI day
14:06 DonBatman I never had any interest in eating caviar. never understood it
14:07 Megaf Krock: so my two Pis are gonna have a party
14:07 agaran VannesaE, oh, 4pm here, so I should say 'EHLO #minetest' and expect something like 250 HELO OK?
14:07 VanessaE haha
14:07 Krock expect 130 HELO OK
14:08 agaran Megaf, I thought that one should have 3.141592..... PI's at least
14:08 DonBatman Krock why is tomorrow PI day?
14:08 Megaf Only have two, unfortunetally
14:08 agaran Krock, still better than 301 Ask later
14:08 Krock DonBatman, https://www.daysoftheyear.com/ Raspberry day
14:08 DonBatman oh
14:08 Krock agaran, and better than 404 People not found
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14:09 agaran Krock, if people are not found what returns 404?
14:09 Megaf icecream month!
14:09 Megaf July
14:09 ElectronLibre Why not HTTP 451?
14:09 Krock agaran, no idea..
14:10 DonBatman Krock-bot returns 404
14:10 Krock ElectronLibre, or 418?
14:10 ElectronLibre What's 418 for?
14:10 Krock Means that you're a teapot
14:10 agaran there was rfc for that even
14:11 ElectronLibre I don't get the reference, will look that up later
14:11 Krock there still is
14:11 agaran I think one of those issued 1 April
14:11 agaran like Ip over pigeons and few more..
14:11 Hirato there was also an rfc for a scenic traceroute
14:11 Krock ElectronLibre, you get that status code when you try to tell the coffee machine that you want a coffe but it's apparently a teapot
14:11 Krock so it can't make coffee
14:11 ElectronLibre Is that from XKCD?
14:12 Krock no, wikipedia
14:12 ElectronLibre If not, it should be.
14:12 agaran xkcd took it from RFC I think..
14:12 ElectronLibre Well then, the more you know.
14:12 Krock but would be funny if xkcd made one too
14:12 agaran yup, #t
14:12 DonBatman No Coffee! This day is getting worse
14:12 VanessaE agaran: IP over Avian Carrier, and it's a real RFC.  https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt
14:12 agaran I just had coffee..
14:12 agaran VanessaE I know :)
14:12 VanessaE (well as real as any other joke written by IETF)
14:13 VanessaE oh oops, I read that as "xkcd took it from wikipedia)
14:13 agaran Vanessa oh, then I shall reply 301 Wake Up ?
14:13 VanessaE haha
14:13 Krock "with each octet separated by whitestuff and blackstuff." sounds legit
14:14 * VanessaE brandishes a 2L bottle of caffeine-infused soda pop :)
14:14 agaran why I had brief image of dilbert with backpack-coffee-cup ?
14:14 VanessaE haha
14:14 DonBatman lol
14:16 agaran though everlasting iron bottle of coffee would be sufficient too.. if one gets ad&d mood..
14:17 Hirato dnd you say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_lzgo7pmzk
14:17 agaran well.. when I was toying with that.. it was AD&D 2nd ed..
14:18 agaran maybe late part of its glory days, but before 3.0 definitivelly..
14:21 agaran if I have lua related questions, is this channel good place to ask or not really (I mean lua/minetest of course)
14:22 DonBatman Feel free to ask
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14:27 agaran VanessaE, is there any guide where to find what on yours dreambuilder creative server?
14:27 VanessaE what do you mean exactly?
14:27 VanessaE you mean like a map of the server?
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14:34 agaran VanessaE more that I wanted to see how people arrange automatic processing with technic/pipeworks..
14:34 VanessaE ah.  yeah, there's not really any guide like that.  you just have to wander around.
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14:36 BrandonReese Here is a wool factory I built (a couple years ago now) with pipeworks and technic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioG8OysZyvk
14:40 agaran VanessaE ok, and guide where I could if at all find spare place to try something there? I see there are lot more mods than I do have
14:40 VanessaE https://daconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minete​st/worldmaps/Creative_World/map.html#22/-307.00000/-426.00000
14:40 VanessaE use this interactive map to look around for some empty land
14:41 agaran I need to learn a lot..
14:43 agaran Brandon, much more spacious construction than what I was aiming at, and one device I didn't learn how to use yet from pipeworks..
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14:46 TheDcoder Help, I cannot type the world name!!!
14:46 TheDcoder :(
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14:47 TheDcoder and the seed too
14:49 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RICbOMaOkHw cool
14:56 ElectronLibre TheDcoder: Does it contain the character '7'?
14:57 TheDcoder no ElectronLibre, all fields are empty
14:57 TheDcoder Backspace works though
14:57 TheDcoder strange
14:57 TheDcoder and the mouse works too
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15:14 ElectronLibre Erm, as any server admin seen a recent wave of SaddieXXXX (where Xs are digits) accounts recently?
15:15 ElectronLibre It seems multiple players are complaining about errors regarding their accounts on servers previously stormed by Saddies.
15:16 linushsao my server has.
15:17 linushsao SadieXXX
15:18 ElectronLibre They've visited all of MFF's servers today, and I wonder if we're about to experience the same issues
15:19 ElectronLibre linushsao: Has any player on your server reported issues with connecting using their usual nickname/password after that?
15:22 linushsao no,my server is MarsSurvive,i check my chatplus-log.txt,SadieXXX login in from 7/2 to today.
15:22 ElectronLibre OK.
15:23 linushsao ElectronLibre: you mean someone try to hack other player's account?
15:23 ElectronLibre It seems two servers have already had to remove player files, or fix them manually. The server would tell players their nickname was already being used, even though they were not
15:23 ElectronLibre linushsao: From what I've heard, kind of.
15:24 ElectronLibre But I haven't been able to confirm it.
15:24 VanessaE ElectronLibre: confirmed.
15:24 VanessaE they're showing up on my servers also.
15:24 everamzah but are they changing other player's credentials?
15:24 everamzah sadies, sadies everywhere
15:24 ElectronLibre everamzah: It doesn't seem so
15:24 everamzah but charmaine too i think, or some other name
15:24 ElectronLibre Apparently the players' files are corrupted in some way
15:25 VanessaE you can't change someone else's credentials without direct access to the server's files, or admin rights.
15:25 linushsao in my srver,SadieXXX says CHINESE language.(i'm from TAIWAN)
15:25 everamzah so then what's wrong with players logging in with a similar name, if there's no harm there's no foul, yes?
15:25 ElectronLibre I've heard SaddieXXX is the default nickname pattern from an illegal client
15:25 everamzah i guess the better question is: what's the harm
15:26 everamzah that's normal, nothing new.  Guest, Player, <common name>, this happens
15:26 ElectronLibre everamzah: Players not able to use their regular account
15:26 ElectronLibre Other players
15:26 everamzah see, that's why i asked about changing credentials
15:26 everamzah you say sadie changed other players password?  but vanessa says this is not possible.
15:27 linushsao VanessaE..i'm agree.
15:27 VanessaE everamzah: they're showing up on my servers, but they're not gonna change anyone's password.  that's impossible.
15:27 ElectronLibre Not passwords, but when other players tried loggin in, the server told them their nicknames were in use, when no player with their nickname was online
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15:27 ElectronLibre ^ That's not credential changing from what I've heard
15:27 everamzah so a denial of service?
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15:28 VanessaE ElectronLibre: I just added "^sadie[0-9]+$" to the denied username patterns.
15:28 everamzah how can they do that?
15:28 VanessaE (I use a "forbidden names" mod)
15:28 linushsao everamazah..yes..many failed login name with play,guest...and so on.
15:28 ElectronLibre VanessaE: I'll do that as well for all of MFF's servers
15:28 VanessaE everamzah: by signing in as "SadieXXXX" and then someone else randomly also gets the XXXX.
15:28 everamzah how does a stream of players with a similar name result in other players not able to login?
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15:29 everamzah i don't see the correlation
15:29 VanessaE everamzah: the XXXX is random.
15:29 VanessaE if two users get the same XXXX, the first one who signed on will have created an account on the server.
15:30 VanessaE then the other user tries to sign on, can't create the account now because someone else already did.
15:30 Krock This GuestXXXX - like behavior was removed in one of the last Minetest versions
15:30 Krock this means they're running on an outdated client
15:30 VanessaE same if you have two users named "joe" who try to sign on one some time after the other.
15:30 everamzah so the problem is that some sadies can get in, but others can't?
15:30 agaran some people are trying to make name collisions?
15:30 ElectronLibre Krock: The theory is about an illegal client
15:30 linushsao another player,name Ashely,login to my 2 server ,said that she(?) want to be admin. others heard that?
15:30 VanessaE everamzah: yeah, because on some servers you MUST create a password also.
15:30 Krock ElectronLibre, no client is illegal when they provide the source code
15:30 VanessaE linushsao: incredibly common.
15:31 Krock linushsao, just ignore and kickban
15:31 ElectronLibre Krock: "illegal clients" from iOS and such
15:31 ElectronLibre Well, the AppStore then, For iOS
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15:31 ElectronLibre I haven't been able to confirm, too busy shooting Saddies at sight
15:31 everamzah i just don't understand why it's a problem is Sadie1234 can't get onto a server.  they could try changing their name, or using a proper client.  why accommodate for that?
15:32 linushsao got it.
15:32 everamzah if someone is not using minetest proper, then who cares?
15:32 everamzah (is my feeling)
15:32 ElectronLibre everamzah: This only makes me think more about a deliberate attack
15:33 VanessaE everamzah: because once "Sadie1234" gets on, does whatever, and signs off, then another user comes along who also got the same random number, what's the server supposed to do?
15:33 ElectronLibre Like GuestXXXX on IRC
15:33 everamzah the server sees it's already taken, and tells them to pick another name
15:33 ElectronLibre It's someone deliberately attacking a server, they don't care about having a nickname
15:33 VanessaE yes.
15:33 VanessaE exactly.
15:33 VanessaE AND
15:33 VanessaE if the user who signs on has different case, Sadie vs sadie vs SaDiE for example,
15:33 VanessaE only the first one counts.
15:33 VanessaE whichever was first.
15:33 VanessaE the server assumes the others are mistyped.
15:34 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4332 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4333 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4334
15:34 VanessaE at least my servers do.
15:34 everamzah if a user tries to login with a name that's already taken, is the onus not on them to change it to something that isn't taken?
15:34 VanessaE I think soon I'm just gonna start denying all usernames with digits in them
15:34 VanessaE everamzah:  it is, but they're stupid
15:35 linushsao but just login with many SadieXXX will not make server down? is'nt it?
15:35 everamzah that's okay
15:35 ElectronLibre Krock: Problem solved. * 3
15:35 VanessaE they don't know they can change their username.
15:35 Krock ElectronLibre, yep.
15:35 everamzah well i for one welcome our new sadie overlords
15:35 VanessaE everamzah: and I think in some of the first illegal clients, the name was hard-coded.
15:36 linushsao means created by program?
15:36 VanessaE mmhmm
15:37 VanessaE I forget which one did that.  I think the one that used "AdminXXXX", whichever it was.
15:37 linushsao seem try to be a fake adminstrator...
15:37 VanessaE nope.
15:37 VanessaE that was that client's username for singleplayer mode.
15:38 VanessaE it carried over to server/client mode.
15:39 Krock It's funny but also sad that I always write (Markdown link)[http://this_way.com/] and it's wrong :<
15:39 Krock Markdown, fix it!
15:39 ElectronLibre Am I the only paranoid person here thinking that someone might have found an exploit with the servers and could have used old code from clients to launch massive attacks?
15:40 Krock only if you have a fast connectio
15:40 Krock +n
15:40 everamzah probably not the only one to think it, but i wouldn't worry until something presented itself
15:40 everamzah it's entirely possible people are just trying to play some game
15:40 everamzah they have mixed results, they don't bother again later.  perhaps time will tell
15:40 swift110-phone wow
15:40 Krock mom
15:43 JamesTait Megaf, Caviar Day - I just took it to mean Western Digital hard drives. 😉
15:43 ElectronLibre I still have to confirm all of that though
15:44 JamesTait Also, as VanessaE said, Get Out Of The Dog House Day.
15:44 ElectronLibre I haven't had any feedback from players on our servers about accounts being blocked
15:45 VanessaE JamesTait: you're lagging :)
15:45 JamesTait VanessaE, always - that's what kids do to you! 😝
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15:46 VanessaE heh
15:48 JamesTait Also National Sour Candy Day, National Hamiltons Day.
15:48 JamesTait Where National mean United States.
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15:51 everamzah :*
15:57 ElectronLibre Apparently whoever is using those accounts has started adding letters at the end. Someone told me they saw an account called "Sadie5249QF" logging in
15:57 everamzah it's possible that default name exists because these users do not use an english alphabet
15:57 everamzah and if it were blank, they'd have no way to input a player name
15:58 VanessaE If I have to, I'll change the pattern on my servers to catch ANYTHING starting with "Sadie"
15:58 VanessaE (I also matched for "Saddie" just in case)
15:58 everamzah i saw a Charmaine2032 earlier, or w/e it was
15:58 VanessaE maybe I should just forbid usernames with numbers.
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15:59 everamzah a nice mod with prejoinplayer, where it checks the similarity of the name against the players/ dir
16:00 everamzah and if it's similar, and only differing in the numbers at the end, forbid
16:00 ElectronLibre everamzah: Ever used name_restrictions?
16:00 everamzah but that doesn't work for Sadie1234qf
16:00 everamzah unless, yea, u forbid all numerals
16:00 everamzah seems a bit of a bazooka approach
16:00 everamzah no, ElectronLibre, i tend not to use methods that restrict access
16:00 ElectronLibre Well, that mod does what you're asking for
16:00 VanessaE actually I already forbid all-numeric names, but I meant forbid any username with numbers in it.
16:01 everamzah but my server is pretty much a singleplayer world with occasional friend joining, it's not a problem for me
16:01 everamzah but for a big server, yeah, it's gotta hog the thing and legit users might have trouble accessing
16:01 ElectronLibre This is a nightmare
16:01 ElectronLibre Well, close to
16:02 everamzah interestingly, i don't see any Sadie's on Amhi
16:02 everamzah but they come onto Fun Caves sometimes, and i say welcome back
16:02 VanessaE minetest needs to move to a user account model where usernames and passwords don't matter, like pub/priv key pairs or something.
16:02 RedzPhires maybe the "Sadie" client isn't a popular one
16:03 everamzah it's hard too, for some people, because the name needs to be english alphabet
16:03 everamzah but there's a lot of people whose names don't conform to that
16:03 est31 well good luck then
16:03 everamzah and in some cases, they have no way to fix it.  i think that may be why these illegal clients are giving default prefab english names
16:03 est31 if you allow any char then there can be players like "Super Crafter" and "Super  Crafter"
16:03 est31 and the engine will think its the same client
16:03 est31 err different
16:04 est31 but players will think its the same player
16:04 est31 and if you got two players with russian names on your server, how will you be able to ban them?
16:04 est31 you cant enter russian keys can you
16:04 everamzah player id
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16:05 everamzah [1] 7sdf73fbhsfgiiiIIIlllIII; [2] sfdhsdjkhs; [3] Sadie3423
16:05 everamzah and /ban 1
16:05 everamzah ugh
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16:05 ElectronLibre est31: I doubt so
16:06 everamzah again, i think this is a little thing, because if an end-user can't connect because they're not using a proper client, then that's... their issue?
16:06 ElectronLibre Since the allowed characters are hardcoded into the engine, and last time I looked, a week ago, there were only english letters (lower and upper case), digits, and underscore
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16:09 Krock Why is LinushSAO not documented in lua_api.txt?
16:10 Krock LuaEntitySAO is there
16:11 linushsao what?
16:12 Krock just playing around with your name :3
16:12 linushsao haha...
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16:23 everamzah and now for something completely different: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muEHE9Voe_M
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16:52 Calinou pushing update 10 of Kenney Donation Pack 2 to GitHub
16:52 Calinou (https://github.com/Calinou/kenney-2)
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17:00 ElectronLibre Note to self : do not ^C a program without checking what's running
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18:09 ElementW Yo, wiki sucks, http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.setting_get doesn't tell what minetest.setting_get returns if said config key doesn't exist. Does it return nil ?
18:10 ElementW nvm, lua_api.txt says it does
18:10 ElementW btw devs, consider either populating the wiki with up to date info
18:10 sofar https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1976
18:10 ElementW or delete it at once
18:11 ElementW Or at a last resort put a big sign on every page "outdated, see lua_api.txt"
18:11 sofar that's the problem with a wiki
18:13 ElementW sofar: no it's not a problem with "a wiki", that's a problem with your wiki
18:13 ElementW It'd probably up to date if you let people sign up and update things
18:13 ElementW Having a static, closed-registration wiki sure is a problem thi
18:13 sofar it's not my wiki
18:13 ElementW tho*
18:14 ElementW Saying "your" generally
18:14 ElementW don't take it personally
18:14 sofar the developers don't require it to be updated or correct
18:14 sofar everyone understands the problem
18:14 sofar but nobody feels inclined to fix it
18:14 sofar the developers prefer working on code
18:14 sofar and nobody loves to *just* do documentation work
18:15 sofar "<sofar> that's the problem with a wiki"
18:15 ElementW just doing doc is awful
18:15 ElementW but bad docs is worst
18:15 ElementW lua_api is great but
18:15 ElementW 1. plain (although it's Markdown)
18:15 ElementW 2. tightly packed, aka unreadable
18:15 sofar good docs in bad style are better than bad docs in good style, as you noted
18:16 ElementW Y'all might as well consider using ikiwiki or another git-based documentation store
18:16 ElementW that way you have a wiki
18:16 ElementW with Markdown/RST/other
18:16 Calinou we did try migrating to a wiki
18:16 Calinou http://dev.minetest.net
18:16 Calinou it did not gain much traction
18:16 Calinou and is more for core development
18:17 ElementW Calinou: that's what I'm referring to
18:19 ElementW but what am I complaining about
18:19 ElementW everything will be better when another engine/game with better doc, better performance and better design will kill MT
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18:20 Calinou yeah, but will it happen before 2100 ? :P
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18:30 agaran anyone noticed that long cabling in technic causes that generator often get 'has no network' while switching station works fine and shows their production?
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18:39 Krock agaran, yes. That's a known problem when the server unloads the mapblocks that are far away
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18:45 agaran Ah, far = 30 bricks?
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18:55 Krock agaran, that depends on your minetest.conf - the block unload distance (*16)
18:57 agaran debian default config, but I'll look, same noticed on VanessaE's server, I even started write own cables (first cables) to get them less bulky and differently calculated for path/connections but did not finish that yet
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19:09 Calinou active_block_range = 2
19:09 Calinou that's the default
19:09 agaran so 32 blocks.. heh..
19:09 Calinou you can increase it on your server (or singleplayer mode), at the cost of more CPU usage
19:09 Calinou active_object_send_range_blocks = 4
19:09 Calinou and that's the sending (default is 3)
19:09 Calinou see https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=47&amp;t=15192
19:11 agaran I see, well so this is not a bug but feature..
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19:40 Hijiri do switching stations poll to see what power sources/sinks are connected?
19:41 agaran as far as I read code yes, and they report properly data, just often (for me) solar panels show 'No network'
19:41 Hijiri I remember seeing someone's wishlist for having technic cabling work in unloaded mapblocks
19:41 agaran especially if I make long wire up to tower where panels are and leave factory underground
19:41 Hijiri I think a first step that wouldn't be too complicated is to just mirror switching stations and cables in a table
19:42 Hijiri and update it when they are constructed/destructed
19:42 Hijiri there's no node-specific code because you just have cables and switching stations
19:42 agaran I wanted less bulky cables that can be laid on walls.. and more or less thats what I did.. just not exactly..
19:43 agaran I mean, my cables have so far incompatibile with technic code, but topology is retrieved on construction (and load event) and destruction (well not yet), where processing is done from module..
19:43 Hijiri you could make the topology persistent and save it to a file
19:43 Hijiri then you have the risk of desynchronization of the map and topology though
19:43 agaran I know, but that was even more fragile for me..
19:44 agaran so I left it with metadata on nodes which can be retrieved on LBM, and updated on construct/destruct
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19:45 agaran though goal is to either patch it up till it can use technic stuff or dunno, I don't want to copy technic machines and just rewrite cabling/grid stuff
19:46 Hijiri ideally technic itself would be changed to work with unloaded wires/switching stations
19:47 Hijiri and maybe unloaded other stuff, which I think there is a solution for, if more complicated
19:48 agaran what is most tricky fr me yet, is that in some cases destructors aren't called (bulk delete using voxels/explosions I guess)
19:48 Hijiri right
19:48 Hijiri I guess you could have a periodic sanity check
19:50 Hijiri that might be the most expensive part if done simply
19:50 Hijiri by simply I mean get every node in the topology and check
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19:50 agaran I can roll over nodes net by net so lessening impact per single call
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19:51 agaran ie start at N0, scan its nodes, then at next periodic check call scan N1..
19:51 agaran (there is concept of switches as distribution boxes etc to turn off lights powered out of grid)
19:51 Hijiri you could also keep track of the extent of a network and use a VM for faster accesses
19:52 agaran first I need to understand how vm works :)
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