Time Nick Message 00:20 hisforever In singleplayer mode how to I maske it daylight all the time? 00:21 Void7 you can use /time to set time 00:21 Void7 /set -n time_speed 00:22 hisforever ty void5 00:22 Void7 i am void7 :< and np 01:02 hisforever I've renamed every mod what it says to rename mods but I keep getting these errors that I don't understand grrrrr 01:08 Void7 what error? 01:10 hisforever I'll do a screenshot brb 01:17 hisforever http://imgur.com/vi8vWgu there is the webpage. 01:18 hisforever What is CTCP ? 01:18 Void7 client-to-client protocol 01:19 hisforever tu 01:19 Void7 also that screenshot is of hexchat 01:20 hisforever whoops sorry 01:25 hisforever http://imgur.com/7vsa8ty there it is 01:25 hisforever no mods are working 01:27 Void7 can you use a pastebin and post the whole debug.txt? 01:28 hisforever ok 01:30 nm0i How it happened I can't see my legs and body, but I see my hand. 02:43 Miner_48er can a mod get a dir listing or does that need to be an OS call? 02:50 KaadmY oh, TGminer's here, too? 03:27 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Move nyancats into a separate mod 133661cb6 https://git.io/vK2aV (152016-07-18T04:15:44+01:00) 08:55 JamesTait Good morning! Happy Monday, and happy Caviar Day! 😃 09:00 swift110-phone hey 09:34 basil60 Hi is it possible to (without mods) allow creation of a pyramid, where blocks half overlap, and gravity affects poorly laid blocks. The idea would be to simulate real pyramid building? 09:35 Calinou basil60: without mods, you'd have to either generate it in C++ or let players build those by hand :P 09:37 basil60 calinou: but when you lay blocks, they sit on top of one another. How do I get them to offset by half a block 09:38 Calinou there is no such thing as "half a block" in Minetest (or any voxel engine pretty much) 09:39 basil60 calinou: so what I want to do is impossible, in short 09:39 Calinou probably 09:40 basil60 calinou: ok..just seemed like a good idea as a simulation, to look at pyramid building. 10:46 shangul how do i make mese lamp?pls dont refer to wiki 10:56 Calinou shangul: so you want us to check wiki for you? :) 10:56 Calinou _ X _ 10:56 Calinou X O X 10:56 Calinou _ _ _ 10:56 Calinou where X is mese crystal, and O is glass 11:05 shangul ¤[15:28] shangul: so you want us to check wiki for you? :) => my browser doesnt show wiki crafting guides well! 11:05 shangul thanks 11:05 Calinou what browser do you use? 11:06 Calinou both Firefox and Chromium render those fine 11:06 shangul i use opera mini 4.5!lol 11:07 Calinou yeah that's why 11:07 shangul do u have any ascii guide? 11:11 shangul [15:28] shangul: so you want us to check wiki for you? :) => to be honest yes! 11:11 Calinou we don't 11:12 Out`Of`Control hi 11:13 shangul hai 14:02 Megaf Hi 14:03 Megaf JamesTait: what day is today? 14:03 ElectronLibre Megaf: Caviar Day apparently 14:03 Megaf oh, I don't like that 14:03 Megaf not the food itself nor the way they get it 14:03 DonBatman Free caviar? 14:04 VanessaE Today is "Get out of the Doghouse Day" 14:04 VanessaE apparently. 14:04 VanessaE he missed yesterday, too, I think 14:04 agaran can I just say 'Good afternoon' ? 14:04 VanessaE (I believe he said he gets his daily greeting list from https://www.daysoftheyear.com/ ) 14:04 Krock WD Caviar Green 1 TB SATA2 14:04 DonBatman you can but it is morning here 14:05 VanessaE agaran: Universal Greeting Time. 14:05 ElectronLibre DonBatman: I think Megaf's referring to the need in order to get cavia to tear open a sturgeon's stomach and extract the eggs (pure caviar) 14:05 Megaf 15:05 here 14:05 VanessaE it's always morning when you sign on, and it's always evening when you sign off, regardless of your local time and sleep habits. :) 14:05 ElectronLibre I'm not entirely sure about it but I recall that's where real caviar is from 14:06 Megaf is there other types of caviar? 14:06 VanessaE also, good morning all. 14:06 Megaf form e caviar is fish eggs 14:06 Megaf morning agaran VanessaE 14:06 Megaf g'morning 14:06 Krock \o/ Tomorrow is the PI day 14:06 DonBatman I never had any interest in eating caviar. never understood it 14:07 Megaf Krock: so my two Pis are gonna have a party 14:07 agaran VannesaE, oh, 4pm here, so I should say 'EHLO #minetest' and expect something like 250 HELO OK? 14:07 VanessaE haha 14:07 Krock expect 130 HELO OK 14:08 agaran Megaf, I thought that one should have 3.141592..... PI's at least 14:08 DonBatman Krock why is tomorrow PI day? 14:08 Megaf Only have two, unfortunetally 14:08 agaran Krock, still better than 301 Ask later 14:08 Krock DonBatman, https://www.daysoftheyear.com/ Raspberry day 14:08 DonBatman oh 14:08 Krock agaran, and better than 404 People not found 14:09 agaran Krock, if people are not found what returns 404? 14:09 Megaf icecream month! 14:09 Megaf July 14:09 ElectronLibre Why not HTTP 451? 14:09 Krock agaran, no idea.. 14:10 DonBatman Krock-bot returns 404 14:10 Krock ElectronLibre, or 418? 14:10 ElectronLibre What's 418 for? 14:10 Krock Means that you're a teapot 14:10 agaran there was rfc for that even 14:11 ElectronLibre I don't get the reference, will look that up later 14:11 Krock there still is 14:11 agaran I think one of those issued 1 April 14:11 agaran like Ip over pigeons and few more.. 14:11 Hirato there was also an rfc for a scenic traceroute 14:11 Krock ElectronLibre, you get that status code when you try to tell the coffee machine that you want a coffe but it's apparently a teapot 14:11 Krock so it can't make coffee 14:11 ElectronLibre Is that from XKCD? 14:12 Krock no, wikipedia 14:12 ElectronLibre If not, it should be. 14:12 agaran xkcd took it from RFC I think.. 14:12 ElectronLibre Well then, the more you know. 14:12 Krock but would be funny if xkcd made one too 14:12 agaran yup, #t 14:12 DonBatman No Coffee! This day is getting worse 14:12 VanessaE agaran: IP over Avian Carrier, and it's a real RFC. https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt 14:12 agaran I just had coffee.. 14:12 agaran VanessaE I know :) 14:12 VanessaE (well as real as any other joke written by IETF) 14:13 VanessaE oh oops, I read that as "xkcd took it from wikipedia) 14:13 agaran Vanessa oh, then I shall reply 301 Wake Up ? 14:13 VanessaE haha 14:13 Krock "with each octet separated by whitestuff and blackstuff." sounds legit 14:14 * VanessaE brandishes a 2L bottle of caffeine-infused soda pop :) 14:14 agaran why I had brief image of dilbert with backpack-coffee-cup ? 14:14 VanessaE haha 14:14 DonBatman lol 14:16 agaran though everlasting iron bottle of coffee would be sufficient too.. if one gets ad&d mood.. 14:17 Hirato dnd you say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_lzgo7pmzk 14:17 agaran well.. when I was toying with that.. it was AD&D 2nd ed.. 14:18 agaran maybe late part of its glory days, but before 3.0 definitivelly.. 14:21 agaran if I have lua related questions, is this channel good place to ask or not really (I mean lua/minetest of course) 14:22 DonBatman Feel free to ask 14:27 agaran VanessaE, is there any guide where to find what on yours dreambuilder creative server? 14:27 VanessaE what do you mean exactly? 14:27 VanessaE you mean like a map of the server? 14:34 agaran VanessaE more that I wanted to see how people arrange automatic processing with technic/pipeworks.. 14:34 VanessaE ah. yeah, there's not really any guide like that. you just have to wander around. 14:36 BrandonReese Here is a wool factory I built (a couple years ago now) with pipeworks and technic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioG8OysZyvk 14:40 agaran VanessaE ok, and guide where I could if at all find spare place to try something there? I see there are lot more mods than I do have 14:40 VanessaE https://daconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/worldmaps/Creative_World/map.html#22/-307.00000/-426.00000 14:40 VanessaE use this interactive map to look around for some empty land 14:41 agaran I need to learn a lot.. 14:43 agaran Brandon, much more spacious construction than what I was aiming at, and one device I didn't learn how to use yet from pipeworks.. 14:46 TheDcoder Help, I cannot type the world name!!! 14:46 TheDcoder :( 14:47 TheDcoder and the seed too 14:49 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RICbOMaOkHw cool 14:56 ElectronLibre TheDcoder: Does it contain the character '7'? 14:57 TheDcoder no ElectronLibre, all fields are empty 14:57 TheDcoder Backspace works though 14:57 TheDcoder strange 14:57 TheDcoder and the mouse works too 15:14 ElectronLibre Erm, as any server admin seen a recent wave of SaddieXXXX (where Xs are digits) accounts recently? 15:15 ElectronLibre It seems multiple players are complaining about errors regarding their accounts on servers previously stormed by Saddies. 15:16 linushsao my server has. 15:17 linushsao SadieXXX 15:18 ElectronLibre They've visited all of MFF's servers today, and I wonder if we're about to experience the same issues 15:19 ElectronLibre linushsao: Has any player on your server reported issues with connecting using their usual nickname/password after that? 15:22 linushsao no,my server is MarsSurvive,i check my chatplus-log.txt,SadieXXX login in from 7/2 to today. 15:22 ElectronLibre OK. 15:23 linushsao ElectronLibre: you mean someone try to hack other player's account? 15:23 ElectronLibre It seems two servers have already had to remove player files, or fix them manually. The server would tell players their nickname was already being used, even though they were not 15:23 ElectronLibre linushsao: From what I've heard, kind of. 15:24 ElectronLibre But I haven't been able to confirm it. 15:24 VanessaE ElectronLibre: confirmed. 15:24 VanessaE they're showing up on my servers also. 15:24 everamzah but are they changing other player's credentials? 15:24 everamzah sadies, sadies everywhere 15:24 ElectronLibre everamzah: It doesn't seem so 15:24 everamzah but charmaine too i think, or some other name 15:24 ElectronLibre Apparently the players' files are corrupted in some way 15:25 VanessaE you can't change someone else's credentials without direct access to the server's files, or admin rights. 15:25 linushsao in my srver,SadieXXX says CHINESE language.(i'm from TAIWAN) 15:25 everamzah so then what's wrong with players logging in with a similar name, if there's no harm there's no foul, yes? 15:25 ElectronLibre I've heard SaddieXXX is the default nickname pattern from an illegal client 15:25 everamzah i guess the better question is: what's the harm 15:26 everamzah that's normal, nothing new. Guest, Player, , this happens 15:26 ElectronLibre everamzah: Players not able to use their regular account 15:26 ElectronLibre Other players 15:26 everamzah see, that's why i asked about changing credentials 15:26 everamzah you say sadie changed other players password? but vanessa says this is not possible. 15:27 linushsao VanessaE..i'm agree. 15:27 VanessaE everamzah: they're showing up on my servers, but they're not gonna change anyone's password. that's impossible. 15:27 ElectronLibre Not passwords, but when other players tried loggin in, the server told them their nicknames were in use, when no player with their nickname was online 15:27 ElectronLibre ^ That's not credential changing from what I've heard 15:27 everamzah so a denial of service? 15:28 VanessaE ElectronLibre: I just added "^sadie[0-9]+$" to the denied username patterns. 15:28 everamzah how can they do that? 15:28 VanessaE (I use a "forbidden names" mod) 15:28 linushsao everamazah..yes..many failed login name with play,guest...and so on. 15:28 ElectronLibre VanessaE: I'll do that as well for all of MFF's servers 15:28 VanessaE everamzah: by signing in as "SadieXXXX" and then someone else randomly also gets the XXXX. 15:28 everamzah how does a stream of players with a similar name result in other players not able to login? 15:29 everamzah i don't see the correlation 15:29 VanessaE everamzah: the XXXX is random. 15:29 VanessaE if two users get the same XXXX, the first one who signed on will have created an account on the server. 15:30 VanessaE then the other user tries to sign on, can't create the account now because someone else already did. 15:30 Krock This GuestXXXX - like behavior was removed in one of the last Minetest versions 15:30 Krock this means they're running on an outdated client 15:30 VanessaE same if you have two users named "joe" who try to sign on one some time after the other. 15:30 everamzah so the problem is that some sadies can get in, but others can't? 15:30 agaran some people are trying to make name collisions? 15:30 ElectronLibre Krock: The theory is about an illegal client 15:30 linushsao another player,name Ashely,login to my 2 server ,said that she(?) want to be admin. others heard that? 15:30 VanessaE everamzah: yeah, because on some servers you MUST create a password also. 15:30 Krock ElectronLibre, no client is illegal when they provide the source code 15:30 VanessaE linushsao: incredibly common. 15:31 Krock linushsao, just ignore and kickban 15:31 ElectronLibre Krock: "illegal clients" from iOS and such 15:31 ElectronLibre Well, the AppStore then, For iOS 15:31 ElectronLibre I haven't been able to confirm, too busy shooting Saddies at sight 15:31 everamzah i just don't understand why it's a problem is Sadie1234 can't get onto a server. they could try changing their name, or using a proper client. why accommodate for that? 15:32 linushsao got it. 15:32 everamzah if someone is not using minetest proper, then who cares? 15:32 everamzah (is my feeling) 15:32 ElectronLibre everamzah: This only makes me think more about a deliberate attack 15:33 VanessaE everamzah: because once "Sadie1234" gets on, does whatever, and signs off, then another user comes along who also got the same random number, what's the server supposed to do? 15:33 ElectronLibre Like GuestXXXX on IRC 15:33 everamzah the server sees it's already taken, and tells them to pick another name 15:33 ElectronLibre It's someone deliberately attacking a server, they don't care about having a nickname 15:33 VanessaE yes. 15:33 VanessaE exactly. 15:33 VanessaE AND 15:33 VanessaE if the user who signs on has different case, Sadie vs sadie vs SaDiE for example, 15:33 VanessaE only the first one counts. 15:33 VanessaE whichever was first. 15:33 VanessaE the server assumes the others are mistyped. 15:34 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4332 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4333 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4334 15:34 VanessaE at least my servers do. 15:34 everamzah if a user tries to login with a name that's already taken, is the onus not on them to change it to something that isn't taken? 15:34 VanessaE I think soon I'm just gonna start denying all usernames with digits in them 15:34 VanessaE everamzah: it is, but they're stupid 15:35 linushsao but just login with many SadieXXX will not make server down? is'nt it? 15:35 everamzah that's okay 15:35 ElectronLibre Krock: Problem solved. * 3 15:35 VanessaE they don't know they can change their username. 15:35 Krock ElectronLibre, yep. 15:35 everamzah well i for one welcome our new sadie overlords 15:35 VanessaE everamzah: and I think in some of the first illegal clients, the name was hard-coded. 15:36 linushsao means created by program? 15:36 VanessaE mmhmm 15:37 VanessaE I forget which one did that. I think the one that used "AdminXXXX", whichever it was. 15:37 linushsao seem try to be a fake adminstrator... 15:37 VanessaE nope. 15:37 VanessaE that was that client's username for singleplayer mode. 15:38 VanessaE it carried over to server/client mode. 15:39 Krock It's funny but also sad that I always write (Markdown link)[http://this_way.com/] and it's wrong :< 15:39 Krock Markdown, fix it! 15:39 ElectronLibre Am I the only paranoid person here thinking that someone might have found an exploit with the servers and could have used old code from clients to launch massive attacks? 15:40 Krock only if you have a fast connectio 15:40 Krock +n 15:40 everamzah probably not the only one to think it, but i wouldn't worry until something presented itself 15:40 everamzah it's entirely possible people are just trying to play some game 15:40 everamzah they have mixed results, they don't bother again later. perhaps time will tell 15:40 swift110-phone wow 15:40 Krock mom 15:43 JamesTait Megaf, Caviar Day - I just took it to mean Western Digital hard drives. 😉 15:43 ElectronLibre I still have to confirm all of that though 15:44 JamesTait Also, as VanessaE said, Get Out Of The Dog House Day. 15:44 ElectronLibre I haven't had any feedback from players on our servers about accounts being blocked 15:45 VanessaE JamesTait: you're lagging :) 15:45 JamesTait VanessaE, always - that's what kids do to you! 😝 15:46 VanessaE heh 15:48 JamesTait Also National Sour Candy Day, National Hamiltons Day. 15:48 JamesTait Where National mean United States. 15:51 everamzah :* 15:57 ElectronLibre Apparently whoever is using those accounts has started adding letters at the end. Someone told me they saw an account called "Sadie5249QF" logging in 15:57 everamzah it's possible that default name exists because these users do not use an english alphabet 15:57 everamzah and if it were blank, they'd have no way to input a player name 15:58 VanessaE If I have to, I'll change the pattern on my servers to catch ANYTHING starting with "Sadie" 15:58 VanessaE (I also matched for "Saddie" just in case) 15:58 everamzah i saw a Charmaine2032 earlier, or w/e it was 15:58 VanessaE maybe I should just forbid usernames with numbers. 15:59 everamzah a nice mod with prejoinplayer, where it checks the similarity of the name against the players/ dir 16:00 everamzah and if it's similar, and only differing in the numbers at the end, forbid 16:00 ElectronLibre everamzah: Ever used name_restrictions? 16:00 everamzah but that doesn't work for Sadie1234qf 16:00 everamzah unless, yea, u forbid all numerals 16:00 everamzah seems a bit of a bazooka approach 16:00 everamzah no, ElectronLibre, i tend not to use methods that restrict access 16:00 ElectronLibre Well, that mod does what you're asking for 16:00 VanessaE actually I already forbid all-numeric names, but I meant forbid any username with numbers in it. 16:01 everamzah but my server is pretty much a singleplayer world with occasional friend joining, it's not a problem for me 16:01 everamzah but for a big server, yeah, it's gotta hog the thing and legit users might have trouble accessing 16:01 ElectronLibre This is a nightmare 16:01 ElectronLibre Well, close to 16:02 everamzah interestingly, i don't see any Sadie's on Amhi 16:02 everamzah but they come onto Fun Caves sometimes, and i say welcome back 16:02 VanessaE minetest needs to move to a user account model where usernames and passwords don't matter, like pub/priv key pairs or something. 16:02 RedzPhires maybe the "Sadie" client isn't a popular one 16:03 everamzah it's hard too, for some people, because the name needs to be english alphabet 16:03 everamzah but there's a lot of people whose names don't conform to that 16:03 est31 well good luck then 16:03 everamzah and in some cases, they have no way to fix it. i think that may be why these illegal clients are giving default prefab english names 16:03 est31 if you allow any char then there can be players like "Super Crafter" and "Super Crafter" 16:03 est31 and the engine will think its the same client 16:03 est31 err different 16:04 est31 but players will think its the same player 16:04 est31 and if you got two players with russian names on your server, how will you be able to ban them? 16:04 est31 you cant enter russian keys can you 16:04 everamzah player id 16:05 everamzah [1] 7sdf73fbhsfgiiiIIIlllIII; [2] sfdhsdjkhs; [3] Sadie3423 16:05 everamzah and /ban 1 16:05 everamzah ugh 16:05 ElectronLibre est31: I doubt so 16:06 everamzah again, i think this is a little thing, because if an end-user can't connect because they're not using a proper client, then that's... their issue? 16:06 ElectronLibre Since the allowed characters are hardcoded into the engine, and last time I looked, a week ago, there were only english letters (lower and upper case), digits, and underscore 16:09 Krock Why is LinushSAO not documented in lua_api.txt? 16:10 Krock LuaEntitySAO is there 16:11 linushsao what? 16:12 Krock just playing around with your name :3 16:12 linushsao haha... 16:23 everamzah and now for something completely different: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muEHE9Voe_M 16:52 Calinou pushing update 10 of Kenney Donation Pack 2 to GitHub 16:52 Calinou (https://github.com/Calinou/kenney-2) 17:00 ElectronLibre Note to self : do not ^C a program without checking what's running 18:09 ElementW Yo, wiki sucks, http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.setting_get doesn't tell what minetest.setting_get returns if said config key doesn't exist. Does it return nil ? 18:10 ElementW nvm, lua_api.txt says it does 18:10 ElementW btw devs, consider either populating the wiki with up to date info 18:10 sofar https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1976 18:10 ElementW or delete it at once 18:11 ElementW Or at a last resort put a big sign on every page "outdated, see lua_api.txt" 18:11 sofar that's the problem with a wiki 18:13 ElementW sofar: no it's not a problem with "a wiki", that's a problem with your wiki 18:13 ElementW It'd probably up to date if you let people sign up and update things 18:13 ElementW Having a static, closed-registration wiki sure is a problem thi 18:13 sofar it's not my wiki 18:13 ElementW tho* 18:14 ElementW Saying "your" generally 18:14 ElementW don't take it personally 18:14 sofar the developers don't require it to be updated or correct 18:14 sofar everyone understands the problem 18:14 sofar but nobody feels inclined to fix it 18:14 sofar the developers prefer working on code 18:14 sofar and nobody loves to *just* do documentation work 18:15 sofar " that's the problem with a wiki" 18:15 ElementW just doing doc is awful 18:15 ElementW but bad docs is worst 18:15 ElementW lua_api is great but 18:15 ElementW 1. plain (although it's Markdown) 18:15 ElementW 2. tightly packed, aka unreadable 18:15 sofar good docs in bad style are better than bad docs in good style, as you noted 18:16 ElementW Y'all might as well consider using ikiwiki or another git-based documentation store 18:16 ElementW that way you have a wiki 18:16 ElementW with Markdown/RST/other 18:16 Calinou we did try migrating to a wiki 18:16 Calinou http://dev.minetest.net 18:16 Calinou it did not gain much traction 18:16 Calinou and is more for core development 18:17 ElementW Calinou: that's what I'm referring to 18:19 ElementW but what am I complaining about 18:19 ElementW everything will be better when another engine/game with better doc, better performance and better design will kill MT 18:20 Calinou yeah, but will it happen before 2100 ? :P 18:30 agaran anyone noticed that long cabling in technic causes that generator often get 'has no network' while switching station works fine and shows their production? 18:39 Krock agaran, yes. That's a known problem when the server unloads the mapblocks that are far away 18:45 agaran Ah, far = 30 bricks? 18:55 Krock agaran, that depends on your minetest.conf - the block unload distance (*16) 18:57 agaran debian default config, but I'll look, same noticed on VanessaE's server, I even started write own cables (first cables) to get them less bulky and differently calculated for path/connections but did not finish that yet 19:09 Calinou active_block_range = 2 19:09 Calinou that's the default 19:09 agaran so 32 blocks.. heh.. 19:09 Calinou you can increase it on your server (or singleplayer mode), at the cost of more CPU usage 19:09 Calinou active_object_send_range_blocks = 4 19:09 Calinou and that's the sending (default is 3) 19:09 Calinou see https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=15192 19:11 agaran I see, well so this is not a bug but feature.. 19:40 Hijiri do switching stations poll to see what power sources/sinks are connected? 19:41 agaran as far as I read code yes, and they report properly data, just often (for me) solar panels show 'No network' 19:41 Hijiri I remember seeing someone's wishlist for having technic cabling work in unloaded mapblocks 19:41 agaran especially if I make long wire up to tower where panels are and leave factory underground 19:41 Hijiri I think a first step that wouldn't be too complicated is to just mirror switching stations and cables in a table 19:42 Hijiri and update it when they are constructed/destructed 19:42 Hijiri there's no node-specific code because you just have cables and switching stations 19:42 agaran I wanted less bulky cables that can be laid on walls.. and more or less thats what I did.. just not exactly.. 19:43 agaran I mean, my cables have so far incompatibile with technic code, but topology is retrieved on construction (and load event) and destruction (well not yet), where processing is done from module.. 19:43 Hijiri you could make the topology persistent and save it to a file 19:43 Hijiri then you have the risk of desynchronization of the map and topology though 19:43 agaran I know, but that was even more fragile for me.. 19:44 agaran so I left it with metadata on nodes which can be retrieved on LBM, and updated on construct/destruct 19:45 agaran though goal is to either patch it up till it can use technic stuff or dunno, I don't want to copy technic machines and just rewrite cabling/grid stuff 19:46 Hijiri ideally technic itself would be changed to work with unloaded wires/switching stations 19:47 Hijiri and maybe unloaded other stuff, which I think there is a solution for, if more complicated 19:48 agaran what is most tricky fr me yet, is that in some cases destructors aren't called (bulk delete using voxels/explosions I guess) 19:48 Hijiri right 19:48 Hijiri I guess you could have a periodic sanity check 19:50 Hijiri that might be the most expensive part if done simply 19:50 Hijiri by simply I mean get every node in the topology and check 19:50 agaran I can roll over nodes net by net so lessening impact per single call 19:51 agaran ie start at N0, scan its nodes, then at next periodic check call scan N1.. 19:51 agaran (there is concept of switches as distribution boxes etc to turn off lights powered out of grid) 19:51 Hijiri you could also keep track of the extent of a network and use a VM for faster accesses 19:52 agaran first I need to understand how vm works :) 22:54 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Nyancat: Fix texture names 1379dbafc https://git.io/vKwTX (152016-07-18T23:47:14+01:00) 22:54 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Default/trees: Update to 'get_mapgen_setting()' 131a2eb89 https://git.io/vKwT1 (152016-07-18T23:47:14+01:00) 22:54 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Thomas--S -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Doors: Fix trapdoor on_blast 13f018e06 https://git.io/vKwTM (152016-07-18T23:45:48+01:00) 22:54 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Thomas--S -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Doors: Same naming for trapdoors as for doors 139862bbc https://git.io/vKwTD (152016-07-18T23:43:51+01:00)