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01:03 Fixer oh boy, nights are soo bright
01:03 greeter where are you playing that nights are bright? :-P
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01:07 LinuxGuy2020 Ok so I am trying Debian as my minetest server OS. No desktop environment so it stays fast on the Atom CPU this time. One question I have is does it matter what version of the server that I have running for other clients to connect to in the house? I have the latest dev version installed on all clients. And I dont see seperate server downloads on the website.
01:18 everamzah it doesn't matter if the clients are a different version, no.  not by default, anyway.
01:18 everamzah there is a setting, strict_protocol_version_checking, which will restrict older clients from connecting, however.  but that's off by default
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01:34 LinuxGuy2020 ok cool thank you
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02:25 Guest39276341526 It's me Ethan
02:25 Guest39276341526 Anyone there
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02:26 Guest39276341526 if you are there say something
02:26 Guest39276341526 Kote are you there
02:27 Guest39276341526 Is anyone there please is anyone there
02:29 Guest39276341526 IS ANYONE THERE!
02:30 Guest39276341526 YTDYUTDHGFXHYGH GFS HFGYFDGHFGUFFYUDYDFGDYFTYTF POOP
02:31 VanessaE you're on the wrong network.
02:31 Guest39276341526 WHAT
02:32 Guest39276341526 WHERE IS EVERYONE
02:32 Guest39276341526 was kicked by VanessaE: Guest39276341526
02:32 XeonSquared that was
02:32 XeonSquared something
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02:33 VanessaE Guest39276341526, "ethan", don't piss me off.
02:33 VanessaE I am NOT in a good mood right now.
02:34 VanessaE you are on the wrong network.  that's why you don't see any of the usual server players
02:34 Guest39276341526 Sorry I am going right now and I'm going on the right network
02:34 VanessaE you need webchat.inchra.net
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02:42 uyfuyfxchckghcgj Cfc
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02:49 uyfuyfxchckghcgj Anyone there
02:50 uyfuyfxchckghcgj JOJOS
02:50 uyfuyfxchckghcgj ZOZOS
02:50 uyfuyfxchckghcgj COCOS
02:50 uyfuyfxchckghcgj POPOS
02:50 XeonSquared what's with the random spammers today?
02:50 uyfuyfxchckghcgj SOSOS
02:51 uyfuyfxchckghcgj SORRY I CAN'T HELP MYSELF THAT MUCH
02:51 Emperor_Genshin seriously
02:51 * Emperor_Genshin pokes a Operator
02:52 uyfuyfxchckghcgj it's me Ethan
02:52 Emperor_Genshin oh noes
02:53 uyfuyfxchckghcgj Oh no the toilet my brother forgot to flush the toilet
02:53 Emperor_Genshin XeonSquared, this was the spammer from yesterday
02:54 uyfuyfxchckghcgj I don't do that anymore
02:54 uyfuyfxchckghcgj I quit
02:55 uyfuyfxchckghcgj I quited doing that
02:56 Emperor_Genshin http://memeshappen.com/media/cr​eated/oh-really--meme-10618.jpg
02:57 uyfuyfxchckghcgj http://IRC.minetest.ru/minetest/
02:59 uyfuyfxchckghcgj degnevit
03:01 uyfuyfxchckghcgj http://webchat.freenode.net/
03:01 * Emperor_Genshin pokes VanessaE
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03:04 Emperor_Genshin Jeez, spammers during xmas =/
03:04 Emperor_Genshin lol
03:39 STHGOM lovley preset
03:39 STHGOM lovely preset* :P
03:39 STHGOM augh
03:40 STHGOM present**
03:50 kaadmy LinuxGuy2020: if the server's version 0.4.13, clients need to be that version or higher.
03:52 kaadmy the network auth protocol's been changed in 0.4.13
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05:05 slemonide I was thinking whether timezones mod will be possible.
05:07 slemonide I know it's possible to change players' sky textures, but how about lightning?
05:09 kaadmy lightning... maybe an entity that's animated to scale down in one frame?
05:30 slemonide that entity will create light?
05:30 kaadmy hmm, no it won'
05:30 kaadmy won't*
05:33 slemonide I think I just found a way to create awesome arbitrary landscapes using Weierstrass function.
05:35 kaadmy never heard of that name.
05:35 slemonide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weierstrass_function
05:36 slemonide https://neboard.me/media/images/1450928147774.png
05:36 slemonide In the average it takes one second to generate one chunk.
05:37 slemonide and no Perlin noise is used
05:37 slemonide and for now all nodes are set to snow, but I might add biomes later
05:59 slemonide https://neboard.me/media/images/1450929434662.png
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07:16 sofar slemonide: * `minetest.get_mapgen_params()` Returns mapgen parameters, a table containing
07:16 sofar `mgname`, `seed`, `chunksize`, `water_level`, and `flags`.
07:22 slemonide sofar, thank you
07:22 slemonide It is not on the wiki, though.
07:22 sofar lua_api.txt has everything
07:22 sofar https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
07:23 sofar if it's not in there, file a github issue :)
07:25 slemonide I am also confused by the integrated biomes system. If I would generate a biome from a mod, do I have to notify minetest about that somehow?
07:26 sofar if you export temperature and humitidy perlin noise params, other mods can use them using biome_lib
07:27 sofar you'll need to set_mapgen_params() afaik
07:28 sofar if you don't use perlin noise maps, all bets are off and you'll need to come up with your own decorations etc. for all of your biomes
07:29 slemonide ok
07:30 sofar you don't "have" to do anything, but don't expect e.g. "moretrees" or "farming_plus" to plant anything in landscapes you create
07:30 sofar this may be a problem for people attempting to make your landscapes into something playable
07:32 slemonide Well I might have to generate everything on my own.
07:37 slemonide So are there any bounds to the values the seed can take?
07:39 sofar I think it ends up being a 32 bit integer
07:40 slemonide ok
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07:54 Krock Happy Christmas Eve, everybody!
07:55 Calinou Krock, 5 years ago, Minecraft players all had a cape.
07:55 Calinou I still remember it.
07:55 Calinou also on new years' eve
07:55 Krock Don't they always have a cape?
07:55 Calinou nope
07:55 Calinou only special people do now
07:55 Krock ah
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08:36 slemonide What is better for a map generator: flattens or mountains?
08:42 Krock Doesn't matter as long it's under sea :P
08:43 Krock creative people prefer flat area and adventurers mountains.. so the best thing would be a mix of those
08:46 slemonide creative people can build in the sea
08:46 slemonide on ice, for instance
08:49 Krock underwater house!
08:55 slemonide In my map generator, sea can be 100 nodes deep.
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09:30 slemonide If anybody wants to test my generator, connect to 108.63.255.199
09:32 Hijiri I can't connect
09:32 slemonide try now
09:33 slemonide I'll watch the logs
09:33 Hijiri failed again
09:33 Hijiri it timed out
09:33 slemonide hm
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09:36 slemonide try again, I disabled most of the mods
09:37 Hijiri still can't connect
09:37 Hijiri port 30000?
09:38 slemonide 108.63.254.164:30000
09:38 Krock that's a different ip..
09:38 slemonide I guess I gave the wrong address.
09:38 slemonide facepalm.png
09:39 Krock facepalm.svg ^
09:48 slemonide I restarted server.
10:03 slemonide Krock, so I didn't use perlin noise at all
10:06 Krock slemonide, yeah, but what did you use then?
10:12 slemonide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weierstrass_function
10:12 slemonide this
10:12 slemonide I generated x and y planes with it
10:13 slemonide https://github.com/slemonide/g​ridgen/blob/master/gridgen.lua
10:13 slemonide here is the code
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10:32 Krock uuh. Nice :)
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10:35 paramat "it's me Ethan. Anyone there" spam once more and i'll ask you are banned from both channels
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10:37 sfan5 ?
10:37 VanessaE sfan5: see about 8 hours ago.
10:38 VanessaE paramat: I already banned him from here at least, and he's on webchat so he can't speak in -dev anyway
10:38 sfan5 ah
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10:45 ulla hi
10:46 ulla some ppl can hel me in my new mod
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10:52 slemonide ulla, how?
10:55 ulla thi
10:55 ulla i have create a new mobs
10:56 ulla carnivore plant
10:56 ulla i have create mesh in blender and exporte in .oj
10:56 ulla obj
10:57 ulla whit movement
10:57 Krock dat grammar
10:57 ulla i have used mobs   for him
10:58 ulla modify lavaflan.lua
10:58 ulla him work nice but no have movement
10:59 ulla i have insert in model directory .blend and .mtl too but no have movement
10:59 ulla 1 sorry for my english
10:59 paramat cool
11:01 slemonide what is your native language?
11:01 ulla t sorry i have movement no have animation
11:02 ulla titalian :-)
11:02 slemonide also, upload mod somewhere
11:02 LazyJ I have no experience with Blender but would using two images work (1. plant open, 2. plant closed)?
11:02 slemonide github, for example
11:03 ulla my mod is beta mesh
11:03 ulla :-)
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11:19 ulla http://dropcanvas.com/f9db6
11:19 ulla hey
11:19 ulla this is linck of all my file
11:20 ulla tlol link
11:21 ulla slemonide?
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11:42 Thomas-S bye
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12:19 slemonide http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
12:20 * everamzah chuckles
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12:35 slemonide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDZu04v7_hc
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12:48 Thomas-S hi
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12:57 ulla ?
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13:00 Fedmahn_Kassad hi
13:00 Fedmahn_Kassad i have truble
13:00 Fedmahn_Kassad >> === FATAL ERROR ===
13:00 Fedmahn_Kassad >> Access violation (Exception 0xC0000005) at 0x69308310
13:00 Fedmahn_Kassad >> Saved dump to C:\Documents and Settings\Admin\Рабочий стол\minetest-0.4.13\bin\..\minetest.dmp
13:02 Calinou Fedmahn_Kassad, put Minetest in a path containing only ASCII characters
13:03 Fedmahn_Kassad Ok.
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13:10 Fixer Fedmahn_Kassad, and don't sit under Admin in Windows XP, that is just crazy
13:11 slemonide Fixer, maybe he uses VirtualBox.
13:11 Fedmahn_Kassad dont worry
13:11 Fedmahn_Kassad i do not keep millions
13:13 Fedmahn_Kassad but it stillnot working
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13:18 Fedmahn_Kassad slemonide,no
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14:00 Ingar might be the binary trying to access config files in a similar path
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17:00 Thomas-S Bye. Merry Christmas!
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17:07 Fedmahn_Kassad hi
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17:08 Krock hi
17:08 Fedmahn_Kassad I need light survival server
17:08 Fedmahn_Kassad will anybody invite
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19:21 alket Merry Christmas everyone
19:21 Emperor_Genshin Merry Chrismas
19:21 kaadmy Merry Christmas
19:23 Krock Merry Christmas Eve
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19:33 Blekpug How do I get rid of a MyMineShaft shaft middle? I can't destroy/mine it with hand or pickaxe or sword.
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19:44 Blekpug I may have irreversibly damaged my world with a misplaced immutable mineshaft.
19:45 Blekpug :~(
19:45 kaadmy did you make it unbreakable?
19:46 Blekpug kaadmy: i did not change it. https://donbatman.github.io/mymineshaft.html
19:48 kaadmy press F5 in game to enable debugging; what's it say the unbreakable node is?
19:50 Blekpug mymineshaft:shaft_middle2_default_tree
19:51 * Fixer found http://en.cataclysmdda.com/
19:52 kaadmy try using a high level pick, like diamond or mese.
19:52 kaadmy it should be breakable
19:53 kaadmy diamond and mese shovels should work too
19:53 Blekpug Thanks. That did work.
19:53 Blekpug Diamond
19:53 kaadmy no problem
19:54 Fixer oh lol, mushspores will be disabled soon, better sell off my spores for huge money ^_^
19:54 kaadmy lol
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20:06 Blekpug I've come to the time with a chest nearly full of cobblestone and I think:  It is perhaps time to build a castle.
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20:13 Blekpug Does the scaffold wrench do anything besides change the appearance of the scaffold?
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20:20 Blekpug It looks like for most cases, smelting with coal lumps is more fuel efficient that coal blocks.
20:20 Blekpug Because of fragmentation. You never burn less than 1 coal block at a time.
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20:22 Gael-de-Sailly Hi
20:22 Gael-de-Sailly Merry Christmas!!
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20:23 Blekpug Merry Yule!
20:23 kaadmy hi
20:24 * kaadmy 's only holiday is buy-stuff-o -sale-after-christmas :-)
20:25 Blekpug I wonder whether map generator v6 generates clay. There is apparently none on my map. I've been looking by sand under water.
20:26 kaadmy grep 'default:clay' ~/.minetest/worlds/[worldname]/map.sqlite
20:28 Gael-de-Sailly clay is generated as an ore IIRC
20:29 kaadmy not an ore; in mgv6 it's generated by hand lasti
20:29 kaadmy last time i checked
20:29 Gael-de-Sailly it's not in default/mapgen.lua?
20:29 Gael-de-Sailly claylike ore?
20:30 kaadmy i'm not sure
20:30 Blekpug There is a match.  If it is there, it must me much scarcer than Mese. I cheated and flew the perimeter of (-1000,-1000)-(1000,1000)
20:30 Blekpug square
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21:22 Fixer dict([('sape', 4139), ('guido', 4127), ('jack', 4098)])
21:22 * Fixer facedesks
21:23 sfan5 !c e[0] for e in dict([('sape', 4139), ('guido', 4127), ('jack', 4098)])
21:23 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
21:23 sfan5 ok python
21:25 paramat Blekpug all mapgens have identical ores, there is clay in mgv6, but blob ore was broken and was creating small partial blobs, fixed 18 sept, also blobs were too rare, were made more common on that day
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21:27 Blekpug Thanks paramat. I have generated and play with Minetest 4.13. I see it was released August 20th 2015, so I suppose I need a newer Minetest if I want to find clay.
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22:01 sofar whoa pilzadam is back from the dead
22:03 Blekpug If someone knows the commands to install packages to compile minetest on ArchLinux or Manjaro, please share.
22:09 exio4 Blekpug: I don't remember what you are talking about :P
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22:11 kaadmy i think MT has had clay since 0.3.0, any version should work afaik
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22:24 lemon Is there an easy way to show some rapidly changing info to the player?
22:24 OldCoder Hi
22:24 lemon Like height above the ground?
22:24 lemon hi OldCoder
22:24 OldCoder Hm
22:24 * OldCoder does not know if there is an API
22:25 OldCoder Could patch it into the core
22:25 OldCoder For the status screens
22:25 lemon There is this http://dev.minetest.net/HUD
22:25 OldCoder Yes
22:25 OldCoder Patch that?
22:26 lemon what do you mean by "patch that"?
22:26 exio4 I see
22:27 OldCoder Modify the mod? Give me something you need and I'll attempt it.
22:29 lemon I think it would be handy if there was an easy way to place messages like these: https://neboard.me/media/images/1450988942475.png
22:29 OldCoder R
22:30 OldCoder Could be done with an entity?
22:30 OldCoder How does the HUD work?
22:30 lemon That message was made by this mod https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=11265
22:31 OldCoder R
22:31 OldCoder Modify that mod, then? How may we be of assistance?
22:31 OldCoder Are you looking for tips on how to adapt the two mods
22:31 OldCoder for your purpose?
22:32 lemon I was asking whether there was a general method for adding on screen messages.
22:35 OldCoder lemon, if you mean a simple API that says "put message at XZ"
22:35 OldCoder as opposed to in the chat section
22:35 OldCoder or setting up special structures as HUD does
22:35 OldCoder I don't recall one
22:36 lemon ok
22:37 OldCoder Why not
22:37 OldCoder modify one of the two mods
22:37 OldCoder to make one?
22:40 lemon I might try that.
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22:51 Blekpug Anyone who plays with the current dev mapgen, I would if you give me a simple seed, such as 0 or 1 and a location of clay, I am interested in seeing this legendary ore myself.
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22:56 kaadmy it's in sand underwater.
23:00 Blekpug Thanks, but I know that much.
23:01 Blekpug I fly around and do not find it.
23:02 lemon use world edit
23:04 * Blekpug chuckles
23:05 Blekpug evil.
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23:14 Blekpug I found clay! a little bit with seed 1
23:17 kaadmy foumd your "legendary ore"?
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23:37 Fixer legendary lol
23:37 Fixer it is everywhere in sand underwater
23:37 Fixer ._.
23:37 Fixer at least in 0.4.13-dev
23:38 Fixer it was fixed in -dev
23:38 Fixer just download modern builds
23:38 Blekpug in stable 0.4.13 package i had, it was not to be found.
23:39 Blekpug Mese was much easier to find.
23:40 Fixer it was rarer somewhat
23:48 lemon ASCII art in minetest https://neboard.me/media/images/1450993718417.png
23:50 lemon I tried displaying players' positions using HUD api and it turned to be a bit slow to update.
23:51 Jordach ohai lemon (lake?)
23:51 lemon what?
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23:54 Jordach oh
23:54 Jordach i know someone with a similar name
23:55 lemon I see

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