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00:13 rubenwardy First version of my "game": Not really a game as there's no goals, but it's multiplayer and you can dig and place stuff. I want to work on the mapgen next. Screenshots and downloads: http://rubenwardy.com/rwvp_game
00:14 Jordach rubenwardy, want help with that MGV5/7
00:14 Jordach ;)
00:14 rubenwardy huh?
00:14 Jordach i heard mapgen
00:15 Jordach wait wut
00:15 Jordach WAIT WHAT
00:15 rubenwardy it's not 3d
00:15 Jordach hang on
00:15 Jordach lemme frame by frame replay
00:15 Jordach some sort of 2d irrlichty thing, eh
00:17 rubenwardy It's SFML not Irrlicht. Both OpenGL.
00:18 rubenwardy Did you look at the link?
00:24 rubenwardy I gotta go, will read the log to see the reception
00:32 Issue2035 redirects me to youtube
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00:55 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Settingtypes: Correct documentation for mgfractal 732cabe http://git.io/vlhJ7 (2015-11-05T00:53:39Z)
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03:15 BBmine How do I keep auth.txt from giving players extra privs?
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03:24 GrubHunter Hello fellow miners!
03:27 GrubHunter I can't seem to start a new world... It keeps saying "Failed to initialize world"
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03:30 GrubHunter Seems like the MSVC build isn't working for me.
03:30 GrubHunter Hm.
03:31 JohnnyComeL8ly Next time, try GNU/Linux.
03:31 JohnnyComeL8ly (Just a thought....)
03:32 GrubHunter Aye, I'm an avid user of Linux
03:33 GrubHunter But it appears that my wireless adapter doesn't play well with Ubuntu
03:33 JohnnyComeL8ly Which is it?
03:33 GrubHunter Centrino N-2230
03:34 JohnnyComeL8ly What version of Ubuntu do you have?
03:41 GrubHunter 14.04 LTS
03:42 GrubHunter It worked before, but when I updated my drivers in Windows it seems to have killed it somehow.
03:42 JohnnyComeL8ly GrubHunter: from what I can see... there are only proprietary drivers for your card... you should probably just swap the card for a friendly one.
03:42 GrubHunter I can see wireless networks but can't connect.
03:42 JohnnyComeL8ly Idk, dude.
03:42 GrubHunter I'm thinking the same, Johnny. I've been wanting to get one that's 5ghz compatible anyway.
03:42 GrubHunter So many networks around here, it's insane.
03:43 JohnnyComeL8ly h-node is helpful for determining common hardware compatibility.
03:44 GrubHunter Ok, i'll give a look.
03:46 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm looking too. ;-)
03:47 JohnnyComeL8ly I've determined through a quick search that your card is mini PCI-E
03:47 GrubHunter Sounds about right. I'm on a laptop after all.
03:48 GrubHunter I've got a usb stick around, going to liveboot to a different distro and see if I can use the wireless card there.
03:48 GrubHunter I'm not confident my current install still has all it's marbles.
03:49 JohnnyComeL8ly lol
03:51 GrubHunter Now is the question to end all questions
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03:51 GrubHunter where IS that usb drive?
03:58 JohnnyComeL8ly GrubHunter, I keep my drive in my desk drawer... Idk where you might keep yours! ;-)
03:58 JohnnyComeL8ly http://www.amazon.com/Atheros-AR5BHB116-Singl​e-chip-802-11n-Wireless/dp/B00K477C5U%3FSubsc​riptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduck​duckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26​creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB00K477C5U
03:59 GrubHunter I've been traveling recently and as such have drives all over the place.
03:59 GrubHunter I found it though.
03:59 JohnnyComeL8ly That looks like it is the End All.
03:59 JohnnyComeL8ly That's good. :-)
03:59 GrubHunter Also, wow thanks for the link. Dual band 300mbps for $10? How can you possibly do better?
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04:00 JohnnyComeL8ly Idk, man.
04:01 JohnnyComeL8ly I looked it up, it has long been supported by Linux through ath9k driver.
04:06 JohnnyComeL8ly (Well, time is relative in PC hardware.)
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04:07 JohnnyComeL8ly GrubHunter, if you have "Prime" then it is free shipping on that item.
04:09 sea` I've got the optimum mining strategy (in 2D)! :3 (For maximizing area covered and minimizing distance traveled, including runs to the stash to dump the material) Turns out it's an Archimedian spiral with spokes to shorten the return path, and the stash at the center
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04:19 GrubHunter Meanwhile, I'm just clearing tons of flat land for... something. Not sure.
04:21 JohnnyComeL8ly lol  You are infected with malware. ;-P
04:21 JohnnyComeL8ly GrubHunter: ^^
04:22 GrubHunter I always end up doing this. In minetest or minecraft or anything, really. I clear tons of land that i may or may not ever use
04:22 GrubHunter Usually I find stuff to build on it. not always, sometimes I just let the cows loose on it
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04:27 GrubHunter So, a question for you people: What is the main difference between the MSVC and the MinGW builds, aside from the different compiler?
04:28 GrubHunter Is there any performance gain between the two?
04:31 JohnnyComeL8ly Supposedly MSVC has better performance, but I think it is just cuz it is M$ compiler, while MinGW isn't.
04:31 GrubHunter Supposedly.
04:32 GrubHunter Well, the MSVC version won't start a world for me, so MinGW it is.
04:32 JohnnyComeL8ly Well, that is what is said on the download page, iIrc.
04:32 GrubHunter It just says "recommended" on the MSVC version
04:32 JohnnyComeL8ly Yeah.
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04:33 JohnnyComeL8ly You'll have to get somebody else if you want the goblety-gook on it....
04:34 GrubHunter I'm not a coder either, but I honestly can't see how the MS compiler would have any performance benefit over MinGW
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04:35 GrubHunter Unless it has some deep trix to hook into Windows, there shouldn't be any benefit at all.
04:36 JohnnyComeL8ly M$ made MSVC... of course it is going to be optimized for the M$ Windos kernel.
04:38 GrubHunter There's a limit to the amount of performance that "optimization" can get you. The only thing I can think of would be windwoes-specific code for rendering in windowed mode.
04:38 GrubHunter Outside of that, it's hardware dependent.
04:39 GrubHunter Then again, I've hardly written a thousand lines of basic code in my life, so I can't even possibly begin to understand the complicated framework that throws data between program <-> OS <-> Hardware
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04:49 GrubHunter Haven't hardly played Minetest for more than a couple hours, and now here I am loading it up with mods already. Sheesh.
04:51 Emperor_Genshin kek
04:52 JohnnyComeL8ly GrubHunter, that's the beauty of it... you can make your own MT smoothie. ;-)
04:52 Emperor_Genshin ^this
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04:53 JohnnyComeL8ly Emperor_Genshin, are you dismayed?
04:53 Emperor_Genshin Nope, I'm quite content with it :)
04:54 JohnnyComeL8ly Ok. :-)
04:54 GrubHunter Aaand it closes with no message
04:54 GrubHunter Oh wait
04:54 GrubHunter Nevermind, stupid A/V quarantined it for no reason
04:55 Emperor_Genshin What Antivirus do you have GrubHunter?
04:55 GrubHunter Avast
04:55 Emperor_Genshin Yep, that explains alot.
04:55 JohnnyComeL8ly You can't put too much sugar in your smoothie... you're likely to have a sick stomach (or a buggy experience). I'm off now, g'night y'all!
04:55 JohnnyComeL8ly Use AVG Free.
04:55 GrubHunter I only turn it on when I'm looking for a specific download or i'm venturing into the unknown of the deep web
04:56 Emperor_Genshin or Clam win (If you use windows)
04:56 GrubHunter Aye, I've tried, but it bugs out and sticks me at 100% disk usage
04:56 GrubHunter AVG I mean
04:56 GrubHunter I should get off as well, it's getting late and I still have to get some dinner.
04:56 GrubHunter G'bye everyone
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05:55 Supertanker2 Ingar, no, no I'm not :o
05:55 Supertanker2 I'm just a figment of your imagination.
05:59 Emperor_Genshin 😕
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06:19 swift110-phone Hmm
06:20 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Schematics: Add core.place_schematic_on_vmanip API 1384108 http://git.io/vlj5V (2015-11-05T01:18:32-05:00)
06:29 Hijiri anyone know if I can make emacs lua-mode use tabs instead of spaces for indentation?
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07:24 Hijiri does metadata for a node get removed by default when the node is destroyed?
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08:33 Ingar Supertanker2: I dream then, because I was asleep
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09:03 fling What is the best mc-clone subgame?
09:14 Megaf Morning all
09:14 Megaf http://9gag.com/gag/aVX8q1K
09:14 Megaf !title
09:14 MinetestBot Megaf: Self-stabilizing pool table on a cruise ship - 9GAG
09:14 Megaf Calinou: You alive?
09:15 swift110-phone Hey
09:19 Megaf !server Megaf
09:19 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/9, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
09:20 Megaf Sometimes I think about seting interact as default priv, so new players that join the server could start building
09:20 Megaf But then I think again, about griefers, and then I conclude is better the way it is, no players online and no griefing =/
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09:37 Megaf Where's James? I need to know what day is today
09:48 fling stampy_world ?
09:48 Ingar Megaf: whitelists ftw
09:48 Ingar AFter several years of mc I had it with griefers in my sandbox :)
09:51 Megaf hm
09:51 Megaf we could make a global white list mod
10:04 fling I used whitelist on my minecraft servers
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11:07 nrzkt TheWild, this game is excellent :)
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11:15 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Gunpowder Day, and happy Men Make Dinner Day (totally unrelated)! 😃
11:19 sea` Woop Woop it's Men Make Dinner Day?
11:21 Ingar you mean, you men don't cook?
11:21 Ingar pussies!
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11:28 sea` Of course I cook! :/ it's just me so I have to. Anyway, I'm gonna make something special tonight, then. I'm thinking chocolate-chip-stuffed carrots with baked potatoes and a banana, all dipped in honey.
11:29 sea` maybe I can fit a strawberry in there somewhere
11:30 sea` ..with jell-o and marshmallows as dessert, for protein.
11:31 sea` Also with honey on top.
11:31 VanessaE no whipped cream?
11:31 sea` uh no I'm not into that
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11:36 Ingar I'll make some meatballs
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11:53 Calinou Megaf, yes
11:53 Calinou fling, Carbone NG is a bit closer to Minecraft than minetest_game is ;)
11:53 Calinou just a bit though
11:56 fling Calinou: what about this? -> https://github.com/mdoege/stampy_game
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11:59 Calinou never heard of it…
12:03 Calinou http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/iso_8601.png
12:03 Calinou http://xkcd.com/1179/
12:03 Calinou look at the infotext, lol
12:08 fling I've seen this one, really helpful thing.
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12:27 kaeza o/
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13:13 fling kaeza: Hello.
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13:14 Jordach sfan5, http://i.imgur.com/BgcqE3U.webm
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13:24 Calinou Jordach, there is someone called Gaben on Xonotic
13:24 Calinou lol
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13:43 Megaf Checking my IRC logs, found this IM
13:43 Megaf [18.05.15-02:48:18] <mitsubishievo8> Jesus said that there is hellfire that people go to forever, but he loved us enough to suffer and die in our place for our sins so we can be forgiven of all our sin(past, present, and future). Search this in google "Jesus is savior" and click on how to be saved
13:43 Megaf Ok then...
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14:38 Ingar hah
14:38 Ingar got my hands on a piece of plastic fake grass
14:39 Calinou *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch*
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14:48 Ingar Calinou: you should have seen the face of my coworker when I asked if I could use it tonight (and bring it back tomorrow)
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14:57 JohnnyComeL8ly Good morning, MTers!
14:57 fling Hello!
14:58 JohnnyComeL8ly Did you know that "fling" is a verb in tech?
15:00 fling Are not you kidding?
15:01 JohnnyComeL8ly Not really.
15:01 JohnnyComeL8ly at all.
15:01 JohnnyComeL8ly http://www.matchstick.tv/
15:02 JohnnyComeL8ly This is an example...
15:03 fling This can't be true!
15:03 JohnnyComeL8ly With Matchstick, you can "fling" your favorite content from any smartphone, tablet, or laptop to stream to a big screen TV.
15:03 JohnnyComeL8ly That is right from their site.
15:04 JohnnyComeL8ly And if you look up "fling chrome cast you will see certain of the sites use it a verb in the title of their article.
15:04 JohnnyComeL8ly I just thought you'd like to know about matchstick as well. ;-)
15:04 Ingar "to fling" has been a verb for probably ages
15:04 fling JohnnyComeL8ly: http://www.urbandictionary​.com/define.php?term=fling
15:04 fling Ingar: ^
15:05 Ingar and it's irregular
15:05 Ingar a further indicator it's quite old
15:06 fling JohnnyComeL8ly: actually your nickname is a verb -> http://www.urbandictionary​.com/define.php?term=Come
15:07 JohnnyComeL8ly No, my nickname is in a song... and I didn't know that when I chose it.
15:07 JohnnyComeL8ly Oh, seriously....
15:08 JohnnyComeL8ly That is NOT what my name means.
15:09 JohnnyComeL8ly I don't think with those terms and I don't use them in my speech.
15:11 JohnnyComeL8ly My dad called me JohnnyComeLately a few times, and when I was picking a name, I wanted one that had a number instead of letters, so I chose this one because it also has my first name, John, in it.
15:13 fling Sorry :>
15:16 JohnnyComeL8ly Forgiven.
15:16 JohnnyComeL8ly :-)
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15:16 JohnnyComeL8ly Good morning, kaeza.
15:17 kaeza mornings
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15:24 fling JohnnyComeL8ly: don't tell kaeza what his nickname means.
15:25 JohnnyComeL8ly Well, you obviously want people to pay attention to your nickname... otherwise you wouldn't have said what you just said.
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15:40 kaeza fling: ?
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15:43 * fling ducks
15:43 JohnnyComeL8ly fling is goose
15:43 JohnnyComeL8ly ;-)
15:43 fling :D
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15:51 kaeza :|
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16:02 Jordach well well well, the material system does work quite fine
16:02 Jordach http://jordach.net/Images/Screenshots/PBR2.png
16:02 Jordach (no light other from the emitted blade)
16:04 PilzAdam Jordach, get an SSL certificate
16:04 Jordach wat for
16:05 PilzAdam https
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16:15 OnceOver Test
16:16 fling What are the best map mods?
16:17 fling I want something like dynmap…
16:17 fling But might be also in-game thing.
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16:25 Jordach fling, press F9
16:25 Jordach it opens a minimap display at the top right
16:25 Jordach (0.4.13 or later)
16:25 fling woo looks nice
16:26 Jordach hit it again for other modes
16:26 fling Jordach: is not it possible to make it stop rotating?
16:26 Jordach no idea
16:26 fling hmm hmmm
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16:27 fling I don't usually rotate an actual map when I go digging things…
16:27 fling Jordach: thanks for the tip anyway, it looks great!
16:27 Jordach it also has a cave mode
16:27 fling yay!
16:28 Jordach it's displayed in night vision green
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16:29 behalebabo fling: Shift+F9 to change the mode
16:30 fling ahh! great
16:30 * fling has just updated the server too
16:30 fling I forgot how to select which world to load hmm hmmm
16:32 kaeza --worldnamw
16:32 kaeza or --world
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16:34 kaeza remember: when in doubt, try --help
16:34 fling and how to select game?
16:35 fling I mean is there a config file for these settings? I can't seem to find one :P
16:35 fling But my servers are running somehow… What am I missing?
16:35 kaeza --help
16:35 kaeza also, gameid=foo in world.mt
16:36 fling gameid for subgame dir name, right?
16:36 kaeza yes, sans possible _game suffix
16:38 fling kaeza: ok looks like it is just loading the single world
16:39 fling it's name is not set anywhere
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16:42 fling 2015-11-05 23:41:56: WARNING[Server]: collisionMoveSimple: maximum step interval exceeded, lost movement details!
16:42 fling ^ I see a lot of spammy messages in the console ^
16:42 fling but everything else looks good
16:42 kaeza probably ask in -dev
16:43 fling kaeza: thanks :>
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17:05 Krock hi
17:06 JohnnyComeL8ly Hello, krockpot. ;-)
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17:08 * Krock looks out for some agar.io strategies.. he seems to be eaten even with names like "I am not tasty"
17:08 fling Which backend is better? leveldb or redis?
17:08 Krock sqlite3
17:08 Krock :P
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17:08 Krock use redis if you want all your data in the RAM
17:09 Krock use leveldb to.. ehm. For less RAM usage?
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17:10 fling ok…
17:10 Krock did this answer your question?
17:10 fling Krock: yes, thanks for the tips :>
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17:10 Krock !next
17:10 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
17:11 fling Krock: want to test my server?
17:12 Krock fling, I'll notify you when I'm back. Then, yes :)
17:12 Krock afk
17:12 fling Krock: mt0.dno.so:30001
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17:49 Krock fling
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18:05 Obani plus de batterie
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18:17 nrzkt Obani, dommage :p
18:17 Obani en effet
18:18 Obani surtout que je me suis trompé de channel :)
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18:29 rubberduck1 nick rbduck
18:29 rubberduck1 oops
18:29 rubberduck1 XDXDXD
18:30 rbduck hi all
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18:30 rbduck i really need to place water on VE-Building, for a waterfall
18:31 rbduck maybe VanessaE ???
18:32 BBmine Why do you need a waterfall?
18:33 rbduck i want to "build" a waterfall
18:33 fling Krock: yes
18:33 rbduck and i can't place water there on the server
18:34 rbduck she did it!!1
18:34 Obani ?
18:35 BBmine speaking of servers, can someone help me with my private server?
18:35 Obani Doing what ?
18:36 BBmine auth.txt makes the other players get extra privs sometimes.
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18:36 Obani did you configure minetest.conf for default_privs ?
18:36 BBmine no
18:37 Obani I'll search for you in MT.conf
18:37 BBmine search for me?
18:38 Obani BBmine, add this to your minetest.conf :
18:38 Obani default_privs = interact, shout, fast
18:38 BBmine not fast, though
18:38 Obani ok :)
18:38 Obani Next time, look at this https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/minetest.conf.example
18:39 Obani It's a bit fat, but you need it to set things on your game / server
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18:40 Obani BBmine, tell me if it works :)
18:40 BBmine ok, but im not at the server now.
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18:54 fling How to make it use luajit?
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19:05 sfan5 fling: just install luajit cmake should pick it up automatically
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19:17 fling sfan5: thanks :>
19:17 sfan5 you do however need to re-run cmake
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19:46 Jordach Calinou, black magic
19:46 Jordach http://jordach.net/Images/Screenshots/RGB_PBR.png
19:46 Jordach (something like this in MT would be glorious)
19:47 Calinou Jordach, http://www.blendernation.com/2015/08/20/an-i​n-depth-look-at-physically-based-rendering/
19:47 Calinou did you look at this?
19:48 Jordach already took a look
19:48 Jordach mine just takes the material selection based on colour
19:48 Jordach (mixing them does work)
19:48 Jordach it's PBR like in it's method
19:48 Jordach i could use alpha for IOR (and manually set IOR)
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19:50 neoascetic Hi all. Are node timers called not always, but only if there a player nearby?
19:50 Jordach neoascetic, only if the 16^3 area is loaded
19:51 neoascetic Okay, how call something for some nodes always, even if there is no player nearby?
19:52 Jordach it needs to be loaded
19:53 neoascetic Hm, okay
19:53 neoascetic So it seems there is no way to do this
19:55 sofar there's mods around that attempt to keep areas loaded
19:55 PilzAdam neoascetic, you could forceload the block
19:55 sofar global timers could trigger area loading as well
19:56 neoascetic Nah, for my problem I see a easier way
19:56 neoascetic Thanks everyone
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20:48 Leoneof ahm
20:49 Leoneof why i'm here?
20:52 GrubHunter I don't know.
20:52 GrubHunter Perhaps you require some assistance in some form or another?
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20:54 Leoneof i'm asking this question everytime
20:54 Leoneof O_o
20:56 GrubHunter Gah. Textures keep coming out fuzzy.
20:57 GrubHunter Note to self: Don't turn on bilinear or trilinear filtering if you're using less than a 128x texturepack.
20:58 Hijiri Question from before, does node metadata get removed when a node is destroyed normally? The wiki page for voxelmanip (and presumably the lua_api.txt too) say that voxelmanipulation removal of nodes does not remove metadata
20:58 Hijiri that seems to imply usually metadata gets removed?
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21:02 GrubHunter Oh man
21:02 GrubHunter Just installed ambiance mod
21:02 GrubHunter I don't think my mind is going to be the same
21:04 VanessaE ambiance is a nice mod, but unfortunately not useable where network/server lag is a problem :(
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21:04 VanessaE such things really need client-side control
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21:10 GrubHunter The mod feels sort of... clunky... once I start using it though
21:10 GrubHunter i.e, when I jump in water all other sounds stop until the water noises play through
21:14 GrubHunter Is it just me or do torches seem to not put out enough light?
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22:04 john_cephalopoda Hey
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22:07 GrubHunter Hello?
22:09 GrubHunter Just found a cave that I can't find the bottom of. This gon b gud
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22:16 john_cephalopoda Hey STHGOM!
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22:22 sofar GrubHunter: I've complained about low torch light in the past as well... don't think it ever got fixed - not sure what the problem even was
22:22 GrubHunter The light drop off seems to be non-linear... It's probably fine, but a bit annoying to have to make a few hundred torches to light up even a relatively small compound.
22:23 GrubHunter for the first one block around the torch it's bright, but gets drastically darker beyond that
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23:14 sabino Hi everyone, I'm working in portuguese translate for wiki
23:15 sabino Some sugestions?
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