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00:18 waressearcher2 its weekend, again
00:25 * STHGOM is back (gone 01:19:23)
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02:09 nanepiwo ;calc (99-21)/4
02:09 nanepiwo shadowbot, calc (99-21)/4
02:09 ShadowBot nanepiwo: 19.5
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02:23 waressearcher2 you will not believed it but I know the best way to increase fps in minetest
02:23 waressearcher2 and it will work for sure
02:23 waressearcher2 and it doesn't require buying expensive hardware
02:23 waressearcher2 excited to hear it ?
02:24 waressearcher2 or should I wait untill monday when there more people here
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02:36 RichardTheTurd My words of advise to anyone who hosts a server. Dont add vehicle mods unless u dont mind cleaning up 100s of em
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02:40 waressearcher2 RichardTheTurd: you need a mod that cleans vehicles
02:41 RichardTheTurd I dont like to use those though as it removes the legit vehicle.
02:41 RichardTheTurd ex. car dealerships
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03:04 FreeFull waressearcher2: How do you increase fps?
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03:11 waressearcher2 I think I will wait till monday
03:18 RichardTheTurd FreeFull: add wanted_fps = 120 and fps_max = 300 to your minetest.conf file
03:18 FreeFull Well, it's not as if my screen refreshes at more than 60Hz anyway
03:18 RichardTheTurd I just do that to allow more CPU utilization
03:19 RichardTheTurd It seemed to increase FPS for me
03:19 waressearcher2 how can you endure 60Hz, 75Hz is minimum
03:19 waressearcher2 RichardTheTurd: I looked at source code there is "sleep(25)" for menu code so its like 40fps in menu
03:20 RichardTheTurd I get 90+ FPS and I use a 60Hz panel. Though I do use FXAA aswell
03:20 waressearcher2 who needs FXAA in minetest its not crysis
03:21 RichardTheTurd I use MSAA via Nvidia Control Panel
03:21 RichardTheTurd aswell
03:22 waressearcher2 by the way what is FXAA and MSAA are they some fancy Anty Aliasing ?
03:22 RichardTheTurd yup
03:22 waressearcher2 you can't alias cubes
03:22 RichardTheTurd MSAA = MultiSample Anti-Aliasing
03:22 RichardTheTurd FXAA = Gotta google
03:23 RichardTheTurd Fast Approximate Anti-Aliasing
03:23 waressearcher2 I mean really textures are low resolution, everything made of cubes, why do you need fancy anti aliasing ?
03:24 RichardTheTurd Gets rid of the jagged edges and the fuzz
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05:05 swift110-phone Hey all
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06:52 Megaf Hi swift110-phone
06:52 Megaf Hi all
06:52 Krock hi
06:53 Megaf Krock: you always get up that early?
06:54 Krock No, the phone interrupted my sweet dreams
06:54 Krock couldn't sleep anymore after that
06:57 Megaf oh, how sad!
06:57 Megaf Today I remembered to turn my phones volume off
06:58 Megaf So I could sleep :)
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06:58 Megaf Hi est31
06:58 est31 hi Megaf !
06:58 Megaf This is kinda nice http://9gag.com/gag/aEzDq4e
06:58 Krock Megaf, repeat your sentence now :P
06:58 Megaf !title
06:58 Megaf Krock: heh, but i don't know est31's timezone
06:59 Krock It's the same as mine I guess
07:00 Krock I like that #6 on 9gag
07:00 Megaf so do I
07:01 Krock missing author in #20
07:01 Megaf est31: I just asked Krock if the always get up that early, so, do you always get up that early?
07:01 est31 I got up today at 4 AM
07:01 est31 so that I can see a red moon
07:01 Megaf oh
07:01 * est31 german
07:01 Megaf est31: and did you see it?
07:01 est31 yes xD
07:02 Megaf !server Apocalypse
07:02 Megaf Server located in Germany, Frankfurt ^
07:02 est31 lol
07:02 Megaf (But there is no bot to show that)
07:02 Megaf est31: and how was it?
07:03 Megaf I completely forgot about the red moon, I'm in Dublin, I think I could have seen it
07:03 est31 cool, not completely red though
07:03 Megaf Krock: #10 and #14 are missing
07:03 Krock oh lol
07:03 est31 one part red, small stripe still white
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07:06 Krock MinetestBot!
07:07 Krock I miss you!
07:07 * Krock punches sfan5: MTB left us, please bring it back :)
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07:49 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.​php?f=5&t=57&p=192838#p192838
07:50 Calinou Thank god we have a topic bumper!
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07:52 VanessaE Oh G*d.
07:53 Calinou VanessaE, I once saw a exact 10 year bump on the Cube Engine forums
07:53 VanessaE heh
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07:56 CWz hey VanessaE
07:57 VanessaE hi
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09:02 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Drink Beer Day! 😃
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09:11 est31 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUVwR0rw5fk
09:11 VanessaE haha
09:12 VanessaE if it weren't so early I'd crack open the bottle of wine in the fridge :)
09:12 Krock ^^
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09:25 JamesTait VanessaE, I have the same problem. That, and no beer in the house. And a day of work to get through.
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09:25 VanessaE heh
09:29 Krock Get some coffee
09:34 JamesTait Well, that goes without saying. ☺   I don't sit down to work until I've poured my coffee!
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09:49 * VanessaE listens to the rooster crowing outside
09:49 VanessaE why the hell am I up at 5:49 am? :-/
09:51 Megaf_ Vanessae, you tell me
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11:24 * sfan5 punches Krock
11:25 * Krock takes 1 heart damage
11:25 Krock <3 MinetestBot
11:25 MinetestBot <3 Krock
11:25 Krock yay, she's back.
11:27 Calinou it's 1 HP damage, not 1 heart
11:27 Calinou 1 heart being 2 HP
11:36 Krock Calinou, it's a strong fist
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12:50 swift110-phone Morning
12:52 waressearcher2 finally, monday
12:54 swift110-phone Lol
12:54 swift110-phone I hate mondays
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13:35 swift110-phone Ok
13:54 Krock swift110-phone, monday for nearly 16 hours here .. still happy :)
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14:00 swift110-phone Ok
14:03 est31 wait a bit, it will turn up to be sunday eventually again
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14:03 waressearcher2 its 00:01am tuesday
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14:05 waressearcher2 so what I was sayng, there is a way to increase fps in minetest
14:05 waressearcher2 all you have to do is give developers "Pentium I", with 32MB RAM, that way you force them to write efficient code or they have to suffer 0.01fps framerate
14:06 Teckla waressearcher2: fwiw, on my daughter's 6-year-old Core 2 Duo laptop with midrange era appropriate discrete graphics (nVIDIA), Minetest outperforms Minecraft nicely, in the graphics department.
14:06 Teckla It's still a little slow and laggy (thus I'm getting her a new laptop for xmas), but it's usable.
14:06 waressearcher2 remember that game "elite" ? they said if it took tham entire day to optimise and save couple of bytes of memory it was worth it
14:07 waressearcher2 them
14:08 est31 they are developers
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14:08 est31 developers are the idiots who argue about single bytes lol
14:08 waressearcher2 or "Commander Keen", Carmac did impossible at the time he made mario-level graphics work on 1991 year PCs, and it was a feet
14:08 waressearcher2 of course that way you can also discourage them programming at all
14:09 Teckla All that being said, I think free software/open source, differentiates itself the best, when it writes really high performance software, so I would certainly encourage developers to really optimize the heck out of performance
14:09 waressearcher2 I mean there are all sorts of good examples where developers did cared about optimisation
14:10 Teckla est31: Only some developers do that
14:10 Teckla I used to use Linux on the desktop precisely because it enabled me to use hardware for a longer period of time compared to, for example, Windows, which tended to get slower with each release
14:10 waressearcher2 also it is weird how minecraft requires quite good PC, not considering how profitable it is, they could've use some money to get it work even on 10 years old PCs
14:11 Teckla I ended up dropping Linux on the desktop when the "popular" desktop distros started getting fat and slow and actually underperformed compared to Windows  :(
14:11 waressearcher2 Teckla: you haven't tryed DSL
14:11 est31 you cant do that Teckla
14:11 est31 the year of linux on the desktop will come
14:12 waressearcher2 it can work even on PII
14:12 Teckla waressearcher2: I've used DSL.
14:12 Teckla est31: haha
14:12 waressearcher2 est31: but it will be just one year
14:12 Teckla waressearcher2: Well, I did say "popular" desktop Linux distros for a reason, heh
14:13 waressearcher2 you can make ubuntu fast if you don't run X
14:13 est31 you can run linux entirely out of your RAM then its blazingly fast
14:13 est31 like a livecd
14:13 Teckla I spent a few decades getting into the whole "tweaking" thing, now I want stuff to Just Work.
14:14 est31 hope snappy makes that easy
14:14 waressearcher2 its not about "popular desktop Linux distros" its about overbloated software with fancy features that no one yet optimised for performance
14:14 est31 and its about rewriting the same thing over and over again
14:15 est31 every release, KDE is rewritten, and, KDE KDE has new bugs
14:15 est31 s/KDE KDE/KDE/
14:16 waressearcher2 there are always *box windows managers
14:16 waressearcher2 like "fluxbox" and others
14:16 waressearcher2 but the crappy thing is if you say want to run KDE application its the same as using KDE itself, it will consume a lot of RAM anyway by loading all those kdelibs
14:17 waressearcher2 they really should separate "k" software from KDE
14:18 Teckla Ideally I want a "popular" desktop Linux distro that I know will Just Work and be upgraded and well supported, which works fast "out of the box", without having to futz around installing alternative window managers and such
14:18 Teckla ...and a pony.  I want a pony.  For free
14:18 waressearcher2 that is not gonna happen
14:18 Teckla waressearcher2: Sadly, it *was* happening for a while
14:18 waressearcher2 I mean linux that is Just Work
14:19 waressearcher2 it will always be in "development" state
14:19 Teckla Back when Ubuntu came by default with GNOME 2, it ran really, really well, even on my older hardware, so I used that for a number of years
14:19 waressearcher2 thats the differentce from "proprietary" stuff
14:19 Teckla When they switched to Unity, it got much slower, and uglier (imo), and I stopped using it
14:20 est31 I switched to kubuntu before ubuntu switched to unity
14:20 waressearcher2 those companies they need to "show off" that theyr product is "ready" that is why they number them with whole number like "1.0,2.5" instead of "0.1.5-dev", after all they earn money from it and they want more money
14:20 Teckla est31: How is KDE's performance these days?  I did try KDE years back, but at the time, it was even slower and fatter than Windows
14:21 Teckla So far, Xubuntu seems nice, I'm running that in a VM, just to evaluate it.
14:22 est31 Teckla, I can't really compare I only have KDE but for me its fine
14:22 est31 4GB RAM and mobile intel processor
14:23 est31 intel N3520
14:23 est31 2.1 ghz pentium
14:24 est31 sometimes it freezes when I have too many applications open
14:24 est31 then I have to sysrq
14:24 est31 it might be because I have no swap
14:24 est31 but filling 4 GB isnt easy
14:24 est31 most times it happens when I compile something BIG
14:25 Teckla est31: Sounds good
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14:26 Krock est31, play minetest with a 1024px texture pack
14:27 SylvieLorxu Teckla: From my experience, it's faster than Windows and getting better. I think it's slightly faster than GNOME3 now
14:27 SylvieLorxu I may be a bit biased, though
14:27 SylvieLorxu Because I am just a KDE fangirl :P
14:27 est31 Krock, no way
14:35 waressearcher2 SylvieLorxu: kgirl
14:35 est31 kate!
14:35 SylvieLorxu Heh
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14:52 waressearcher2 anyone knows if that No Man's Sky will be released this year ?
14:54 Krock ask #nomanssky if existent
14:55 waressearcher2 not yeat
15:02 Teckla SylvieLorxu: Good to know, thanks  :)
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15:25 CWz ^ lol
15:25 Krock I know, this guy wasn't serious but it's still funny
15:26 est31 HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT I AM 13 ONLY FROM WHAT I AM WRITEING????!!!
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15:26 est31 favourite bash.org quote
15:26 Krock xD
15:27 est31 --> http://bash.org/?14207
15:27 Krock I DOES WRITE CORECT ENGISH !!1!one!!one1
15:27 Krock est31, great quote, the bookmark collection got extended
15:32 Krock Browing on bash.org and found other great quotes, such as http://bash.org/?400459
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16:00 bas080 I was wondering what the concensus is on soft depending and checking in the lua if a mod exists or not.
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16:00 bas080 Someone send me this commit and I want to give him advice on how register a craft only when a mod is there
16:00 bas080 *is installed
16:02 bas080 VanessaE: Do you have an example for me? I have done it before but i can't seem to remember how and where
16:02 bas080 VanessaE: I see you have used if minetest.get_modpath("intllib") then
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16:05 bas080 I'll tell him he can use that.
16:08 est31 there is no real consensus
16:08 est31 previously everybody checked for the global to exist for the mod
16:09 est31 then sb added warning log messages when you access a global
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16:09 est31 so then people chose rawgeti, others get_modpath
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16:10 bas080 est31: i was considering using get modnames but then you need to write a function for checking if a value is in a list
16:12 est31 get_modpath should be ok I think
16:12 est31 many people use it
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16:29 Krock http://bash.org/?7936
16:30 waressearcher2 so no one need quotes of ancient philosophers or scientists or notable people
16:31 Krock Yes.
16:31 * CWz hopes that armor never gets added to minetest_game
16:32 * Krock wonders why
16:32 waressearcher2 it will be more minecraft ?
16:32 waressearcher2 armor protects you
16:32 waressearcher2 why not
16:33 * Krock suggests sfan5 to add a !quote command for a random quote like this one: http://bash.org/?3936
16:33 sfan5 nah
16:33 Krock k, then not.
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17:24 Teckla CraigyDavi: Just a quick heads up, server is down, heh
17:27 freelikegnu Teckla: I've been using xubuntu for a couple years and very happy
17:28 freelikegnu have 5 machines at home running it
17:28 freelikegnu and its my linux vm distro of choise
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17:29 freelikegnu especially since thunar can now browse ssh
17:29 freelikegnu sftp I mean
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17:30 Teckla freelikegnu: Super glad to hear that since that's what I decided to install  :)
17:30 Teckla I really like Xfce's "traditional" desktop look and feel.
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17:31 freelikegnu yup, its all very sensible... I'd like to try getting mints blueberry bluetooth working in it
17:32 comradmax does minetest have a setting to stretch in fullscreen mode?
17:32 Calinou comradmax, stretch?
17:32 freelikegnu bluetooth manager is ok... but I think bluetooth has always been a sorespot in most distros
17:32 Calinou you can use fullscreen = 1, screenW and screenH of your choice
17:32 Calinou either way, I would really not want to play in non-native resolution...
17:33 freelikegnu Calinou: this makes me think of having some kind of retro crt filter from MT
17:33 comradmax my monitor is 1920x1200, i set screenW/H to something lower, like 960x600.  in fullscreen=1 the actual minetest window is only part of my monitor
17:34 comradmax i think i can change my system resolution to 960x600, and then fullscreen will take up all of it.  i was just wondering if there is a setting, so i dont have to change system resolution :)
17:34 Teckla comradmax: Do you use 960x600 to get better performance?
17:34 comradmax yes
17:35 freelikegnu that is pretty low res... what kind of hardware are you running on>?
17:35 Calinou Minetest looks too good, let's make it look like this https://lut.im/AEPcpA6uNj/F1nwos5S.png
17:36 Calinou I challenge you to play this in 1920x1080 or 3840x2160 :p
17:37 comradmax i get 13-40 fps at the native 1920x1200, it's not horrible, but i was trying to get super smooth fps all the time:)  i have amd quadcore with apu, and a radeon 6670 gpu.  it's the one that matches the internal apu
17:37 Calinou lol 6670
17:37 Calinou (and more generally, lol AMD)
17:38 comradmax yea, this card was $60 new tho:)
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17:38 comradmax if i did already buy this one, i would have gotten nvidia
17:38 comradmax i got the gpu cuz it had the most vram for the $.  i was crashing with more than 3 planets in PA :)
17:39 Calinou who needs accelerated 3D anyway? the game I posted above works fine without it!
17:39 Calinou (-:
17:39 Calinou (that's why it's slow as hell whenever you approach a transparent surface)
17:40 comradmax what's that, gldoom or something like that?
17:40 freelikegnu hmm what drivers are you using comradmax
17:40 Teckla Calinou: AMD is bad?  (I guess I should be happy I have nVIDIA?)
17:42 Calinou Teckla, it's 1. dying on the CPU front, 2. stagnating on the GPU front
17:43 Calinou comradmax, Odamex
17:43 comradmax freelikegnu: whatever ubuntu 15 has for it, i did not do anything beyond installing minetest to run it
17:43 Calinou with Freedoom Phase 1
17:43 Teckla Calinou: Oh dear  :(  That's not good, if only because competition is good
17:43 freelikegnu hmm
17:44 Calinou Teckla, well, Intel is the lonely leader in CPUs, and NVIDIA in GPUs
17:44 Calinou both have ~80% market share now
17:44 Teckla Calinou: Yeah, that kind of dominance can't be good for competition
17:45 comradmax did anyone buy out AMD yet? microsoft?
17:46 freelikegnu looks like amd northern islands (r6670) support is still a bit incomplete with the foss drivers
17:46 freelikegnu http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/
17:46 freelikegnu maybe you would have better luck with catalyst?
17:47 Calinou lol, suggesting Catalyst in 2015
17:47 Calinou prepare for a wreck
17:48 nm0i Nvidia cards have weak chances of being bridged into qemu. But thats as far as I'd go in defending ATI/AMD.
17:48 comradmax freelikegnu: most of the boxes say Done, it's not that bad
17:49 freelikegnu Calinou: guess I take for granted the nvidia drivers
17:49 comradmax but im guessing i dont get any dual gpu benefit on linux :(
17:49 freelikegnu but maybe this will help comradmax https://help.ubuntu.com/community/B​inaryDriverHowto/AMD?action=show&am​p;redirect=BinaryDriverHowto%2FATI
17:50 Calinou dual GPU is a dead pony :)
17:50 Calinou except if you want to drive a lot of screens
17:50 Calinou most free games don't handle SLI anyway
17:50 comradmax my entire pc cost me $450 total :)
17:51 freelikegnu nvidia has been a pain at times as well, 3D graphics IsHard
17:51 comradmax freelikegnu: thank you, i will try that driver
17:52 freelikegnu all I know is minetest is a good performer on even older slower hardware
17:52 freelikegnu so I'm sure there is hope
17:53 freelikegnu it fucking irrlicht for the love of benji
17:53 comradmax im unhappy about getting 13-40 fps on 1920x1200, there is no hope:)
17:53 Calinou Irrlicht is barely maintained, freelikegnu :P
17:54 freelikegnu Calinou: does that mean it is demanding on hardware?
17:54 Calinou no, it is not
17:54 Calinou but it's also very limited
17:55 freelikegnu Calinou: I'm no prgrammer, but it seems that irrlicht is not the bottleneck in MT for performance
17:56 Calinou there are bottlenecks in MT itself
17:56 freelikegnu though it makes me wonder if opencl could be utilized form map generation
17:56 comradmax i thought my amd would be beastmode in minetest
17:57 Calinou it would require hardware support - that's plain insane
17:57 Calinou not everyone has good, proper OpenCL support
17:57 comradmax opencl is great, i wish AMD had it working on 6670, but i was just shit out of luck.  their next gen after 6670 has good opencl
17:57 Calinou (especially free/libre drivers or old graphics cards)
17:58 freelikegnu It kinda sounded like you were suggesting MT be played on an nvidia anyways just a minute ago
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18:00 Calinou no, we should welcome people regardless of their hardware
18:00 Calinou no game developer will force their users to have a NVIDIA card intentionally :P
18:01 freelikegnu It looks as though there is opencl for intel, amd and nvidia gpus that have been made in a past few years
18:01 Calinou does it work in Nouveau? does it work in Radeon? does it work in the Intel Windows driver?
18:05 freelikegnu I dunno the buzzword sounded cool and "OpenCL will save us all" and all that
18:05 Calinou yeah... no
18:05 Calinou OpenCL is mostly a fail so far
18:05 Calinou it's what we call a "four" or a "bide" here :)
18:05 freelikegnu looks as though GIMP may be supporting it
18:06 Calinou those are "workstation" or "creative" apps
18:06 Calinou not games
18:06 freelikegnu MT is on my workstation and I find I am most creative when interacting with it!
18:07 freelikegnu speaking of being creative with MT, whats up with Carbone?!
18:07 Krock leveled up to Carbone NG
18:07 freelikegnu yes I meant Carbone-NG
18:07 Calinou university started :(
18:08 Calinou I'll try to update it
18:08 freelikegnu you can't have university without a creative way to procrastinate
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18:09 freelikegnu I nearlly dropped out of univeristy modding a dungeon crawler
18:10 Calinou freelikegnu, there, just pushed an upstream update
18:10 Calinou :)
18:10 freelikegnu so I left that community behind and now I have a piece of paper that says that I is haz teh smarts
18:10 freelikegnu wont make that mistake again!
18:11 Calinou this degree lasts 2 years
18:11 Calinou then there is the possibility to have a 3rd year
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18:12 waressearcher2 freelikegnu: "modding a dungeon crawler", what is it ?
18:12 waressearcher2 a game ?
18:13 freelikegnu niceone!
18:13 freelikegnu waressearcher2: it was dungeon siege
18:14 waressearcher2 heard of it
18:14 waressearcher2 don't do rpg
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18:15 freelikegnu theres not a whole lotta rp in that g
18:15 MintUser hola
18:15 freelikegnu its really more of a pretty hack and slash
18:16 waressearcher2 or I mistaken it with "neverwinter night"
18:16 freelikegnu quite
18:16 freelikegnu this is like candyland compared to DnD
18:19 freelikegnu It dirves my nuts everytime I hear a science podcast on education and someone brings up Minecraft in the classroom...:P
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18:23 comradmax someone teaches science with minecraft?
18:24 Calinou it's quite silly IMO
18:24 Calinou regardless of age
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18:32 CWz who would use a game as an education tool anyways
18:34 Krock but tetris...
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18:35 STHGOM game == fun | school == not fun | game + school == fun, but not.
18:36 sd1001 School doesn't have to be not fun
18:36 Calinou nobody at uni that I know plays Minetest, or any other free game :(
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18:38 Krock STHGOM, don't mess up bitwise and boolean operations
18:38 Krock '|' is a bitwise operator
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18:40 twoelk 'watomic'  for example shows chemistry can be puzzling fun
18:41 STHGOM sd1001, yes ik :). Krock, i was just using that as a separator. (im not really much of a coder)
18:42 Krock STHGOM, I know. Just pointing out that every code you write can be analyzed very complicated
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18:43 Calinou do you have an easy-to-understand tutorial on bitwise operators?
18:43 Calinou I don't understand what those are :(
18:44 Krock Calinou, how can't you understand them? Just learn what a OR and an AND gate do
18:44 Krock But for tutorials... google is your bad friend. Usae Duckduckgo
18:45 * Krock qickly adds "bad" and "Use Duckduckgo" afterwards
18:50 Calinou I saw someone at uni using DuckDuckGo
18:50 Krock \o/
18:50 Calinou Krock, I know about OR/AND gates. but don't bitwise operators work on binary numbers?
18:51 Krock Calinou, the OR/AND functions ('|', '&') are used on every single bit
18:51 Krock so '0x01 | 0x10' results as 0x11
18:53 Krock Oh, almost forgot the XOR ('^') (toggle) function and the bitwise shifting
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18:55 Krock Calinou, sorry when I didn't answer your question directly but I think a tutorial page actually helps more than my complicated sentences.
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19:08 freelikegnu blocky is a fun educational game
19:08 freelikegnu though it teaches javascripy
19:09 freelikegnu would be nice to have a lua version as a nice precursor to learning more about lua with minetest
19:10 twoelk lua-blocks in minetest?
19:10 freelikegnu really I think the takeaway is learning about how logic works at a young age rather than grappling with it after the hair is already falling out
19:11 freelikegnu lua blocks in mt are good, but blocky is like a turnkey tutorial... like if you combined the tutorial minetest subgame with luablocks?
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19:15 twoelk hm install the areas mod without markers to teach the kids all about the cartesian coordinates system :-D and have fun watching them
19:16 freelikegnu Yeah minetest gave me a good opportunity to discuss coords with my daughter the other day
19:16 freelikegnu so she could get her bones
19:16 freelikegnu :D
19:16 comradmax it seems MT loads up to the max distance that is covered by the minimap.  is there any way to increase this further?  setting viewing_range_nodes_min higher than 500 doesnt do it
19:17 twoelk I smell highend equipment there
19:17 comradmax yes, i have a radeon 6670 monster
19:17 rubenwardy or more optimisation
19:18 twoelk I never could look farther than 3000 nodes
19:18 twoelk but only in one direction
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19:19 twoelk and not for long
19:19 comradmax twoelk i cant even look that far.  i clearly see the hard edge, and im guessing it's about 500
19:20 twoelk dont get me wrong, I flew that distance and then looked back - I dont think you can load that distance by looking there
19:21 comradmax i think the minimap covers 500x500, so it's 250 to the edge from the middle.  is that right?
19:21 comradmax oh, i gotcha, i need to go there, load it, and then i'll see it
19:21 comradmax but yes, i was wonderig if i can force to load by standing and just looking
19:22 twoelk I don't think the minimap preloads, it just shows what is loaded
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19:25 twoelk farmesh was an experiment to see far but the math involved to look far is pretty staggering
19:25 comradmax it should be the same math, just more of it, no?
19:25 freelikegnu maybe a case for....opencl?!  /me runs away
19:27 comradmax there is an actual max distance, once a node at some distance will render smaller than one pixel.  it might be called diffraction limmit, but that's in real life...
19:28 comradmax after that maybe you need diff math
19:28 twoelk there is an end to cubic exponential math and that isn't far - just think of the chessboard story with doubling on each square
19:29 comradmax it'll take longer and longer to render, i get that
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19:52 Hisforever I used VanessaE mod for building houses dose anybody have the URL for that Mod?
19:54 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack
19:54 Hisforever thyanks Vanessa
19:54 VanessaE yw
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20:28 swift110-phone Hey all
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23:10 Juraka hi
23:10 VanessaE hi
23:11 Juraka :) how goes the MT world? I'm new to it but so far it looks grand.... Vanessa your work is awesome
23:12 VanessaE oh it goes, same as usual.  and thanks :)
23:13 Juraka I can't claim to be any good at programming, but I'm trying to learn and hopefully could contribute one day
23:13 Juraka I have tons of ideas to expand/improve engine but who doesn't I suppose :p
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23:51 waressearcher2 don't you think little tight community is better than big random one ?

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