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00:07 MinetestBot [git] kahrl -> minetest/minetest: Don't serialize StaticObjectList with > 65535 objects 0cde032 http://git.io/vcqNl (2015-09-29T01:55:12+02:00)
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00:14 Puka_ Looking to join server with technic and pipeworks pls...
00:30 MinetestBot [git] Rui914 -> minetest/minetest_game: Remove ugly def of xpanes 1f85f00 http://git.io/vcqjN (2015-09-29T01:26:02+01:00)
00:30 MinetestBot [git] LeMagnesium -> minetest/minetest_game: Add option to disable bed's night skip - Solve second point of #512 by adding a setting, `enable_bed_night_skip` , with default value of `true`. 279b85f http://git.io/vcqjA (2015-09-29T01:25:40+01:00)
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00:40 exio4 hai
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00:41 exio4 how is everything going, wild minetesters
00:42 Puka_ need to find new server
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01:04 nm0i Why
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01:11 swift110-phone Hey
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01:44 waressearcher2 http://jordach.net/Media/bfdmap.png those borders betwenn those dirt,snow,sand they are very precise, is it possible to add some noise ?
01:44 VanessaE turn on biome blend.
01:45 VanessaE (should already be on)
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02:02 lordfingle Hi, I'd just like to announce to the community that I'm debugging lua mods very successfully using the Visual Studio 2013 IDE.  I think that's worth noting in the wiki.  I'm happy to do this myself if I can get an account?
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02:05 Puka_ OldCoder?
02:05 OldCoder Puka_, Howdy
02:05 Puka_ Hi
02:05 OldCoder Switch to irc.oldcoder.org #minetest-oldcoder
02:05 OldCoder and receive the interact
02:07 OldCoder Puka_, can you read me there?
02:07 VanessaE Puka_: I put the server back up.
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02:13 OldCoder VanessaE, Hi
02:13 OldCoder VanessaE, I'm running low on disk space but if you do shut down I hate to see worlds die
02:13 OldCoder Talk to me about transfer if it comes to this. But maybe just make your rules stricter.
02:13 VanessaE well I put them back online. seems people wanted them
02:13 OldCoder Start booting out troublemakers.
02:13 VanessaE it's not a rules thing.
02:13 OldCoder No?
02:13 OldCoder What was the issue?
02:14 VanessaE server/engine bugs pissing me off.
02:14 OldCoder Hm
02:14 OldCoder can't argue with that
02:14 OldCoder Proller would see "Join the Dark Side!"
02:14 OldCoder :D
02:14 OldCoder say *
02:14 OldCoder he promises to be nicer in the future BTW
02:14 OldCoder and does have a sense of humor
02:14 VanessaE though four of the servers are just so little-users who cares if they go offline
02:15 OldCoder Any major buildings?
02:15 VanessaE used*
02:15 VanessaE not really, n o
02:15 OldCoder I could take the urban centers and merge them into one of my worlds
02:15 OldCoder Hm; so those *are* wasted?
02:15 OldCoder But you have a few metropolises?
02:15 OldCoder in other worlds
02:15 VanessaE sorta.
02:16 OldCoder proller would be quite happy to have you :-) But I hope to get Freeminer and MT merged again
02:16 VanessaE there are spread-out "cities" on some of them, yes
02:16 OldCoder Hm; let me copy them sometime
02:16 OldCoder Works should not die
02:16 OldCoder So, some bugs got aggravating
02:16 OldCoder And let me guess
02:16 OldCoder Core devs were not responsive?
02:16 OldCoder Otherwise you'd not be p*ssed
02:18 VanessaE kahrl pushed a patch that'll help some, thankfully, but generally not as responsive as they should be, quite frankly.
02:18 OldCoder Yep
02:18 OldCoder Pressure will help
02:18 OldCoder Make it clear you won't rule out
02:18 OldCoder Possibly considering moving to Freeminer
02:19 OldCoder Competition is a good thing
02:19 OldCoder If you and I both did... Heh... what would happen to the server list?
02:19 OldCoder VanessaE, what % of the list do we hold jointly now?
02:20 VanessaE not suree
02:20 OldCoder And I have at least 6 more worlds to bring back
02:20 VanessaE maybe a quarter
02:20 OldCoder A big %
02:20 OldCoder Just that?
02:20 OldCoder Of the large and interesting worlds?
02:20 OldCoder % is higher
02:20 VanessaE you have 13 "minetest.org" worlds
02:20 OldCoder Yep
02:20 VanessaE I have 6 or 7
02:20 OldCoder 20 when all are back
02:20 OldCoder 27 / 120
02:20 VanessaE so that's 20 out of 114
02:20 OldCoder Yep
02:21 OldCoder Small %. But high quality %. Correct?
02:21 VanessaE I'd like to think so
02:21 OldCoder Yep
02:21 OldCoder Maybe things will feel better tomorrow
02:21 OldCoder Anyway wb to your worlds
02:22 VanessaE thanks.  they were only down for 4 hours though.
02:30 comradmax does anyone run a server in AWS, and can a micro handle it?
02:32 lordfingle I have successfully run a minecraft on a AWS micro instance, and I have so far found that minetest has lower resource requirements.  Should be fine.
02:33 comradmax i might try that sometime
02:37 lordfingle If you want to experiment you can make it even cheaper by using a "spot instance" type - In reality these are rarely reset and quite fine for multiplayer sessions.
02:39 comradmax i was thinking of riding the free 1st year of micro, and open new accounts with new emails as time goes by
02:39 lordfingle Sounds like a plan initially, but I think you need to provide credit card details.
02:40 comradmax micro is free for first year.  and it's $16/mo when it's not free, and running 24/7
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02:41 cg_ https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3211
02:41 EUGD anybody want to rap about VAEs?
02:43 EUGD hardcoded numbers == VERY NO
02:43 EUGD use MAX_MAP_GENERATION_LIMIT and/or map_generation_limit and/or (hopefully coming soon) map_generation_extent constants/settings
02:44 lordfingle @comrademax - MS Azure offer $260 credit, which equals about a year of micro I think also
02:44 OldCoder Azure
02:44 OldCoder the horror
02:44 OldCoder the horror
02:44 OldCoder O_O
02:44 OldCoder No; make it stop
02:44 * OldCoder braces himself against the nightmare of Azure
02:44 OldCoder lordfingle, comradmax ^
02:44 OldCoder Seriously, run like Hell from Azure
02:45 OldCoder Azure one cannot endure
02:45 OldCoder Azure is horror pure
02:45 OldCoder Anzure horror pure can't endure
02:45 OldCoder Run away fast
02:45 OldCoder
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02:45 lordfingle Can you do a poem on AWS as well?
02:45 comradmax i was a member of the team at MS that worked on an early version of SharePoint in Azure..........
02:46 OldCoder AWS is the very bes' :P
02:46 OldCoder comradmax, what was it like?
02:46 OldCoder AWS passes the tes'
02:46 OldCoder With AWS one should not mes'
02:46 * OldCoder loves AWS he does confess
02:46 OldCoder
02:47 * OldCoder naps
02:47 OldCoder Zzz
02:47 comradmax Azure had major issues, like if a highscool student who does not know anything tries to set up a massive SAN
02:47 OldCoder Oyes
02:47 OldCoder But the best parts came later
02:47 OldCoder And made people into Azure hater
02:47 OldCoder Bugs turned up
02:47 OldCoder Went into the queue
02:48 OldCoder And were still there after 2 or 3 years
02:48 OldCoder Once
02:48 OldCoder Just once
02:48 comradmax so our binary indices from SP would once in a while revert to a random state for no reason
02:48 OldCoder One random solution worked for somebody
02:48 OldCoder For *3 years*
02:48 OldCoder Azure forum people repeated that solution
02:48 OldCoder Even though it never worked again
02:48 OldCoder MS never fixed the bug
02:48 OldCoder Best of all
02:48 OldCoder You could lose access to disks
02:48 OldCoder And have no way to delete them
02:48 OldCoder But get billed every month for them
02:49 comradmax dont use SAN, dont use SP, do not use MS stack.  Azure itself, i heard from ppl that stayed at MS, is better, but it's a lie.
02:49 OldCoder And since there was no support
02:49 OldCoder This was treated as a technical issue
02:49 OldCoder So you'd need to pay $500
02:49 OldCoder for the right not to pay
02:49 OldCoder for a disk you were not using
02:49 OldCoder Oh, and Firefox just had blank screens on the control panel
02:49 OldCoder That was great :P
02:50 OldCoder Oh even better
02:50 OldCoder Try to find in the fine print
02:50 EUGD https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3199
02:50 OldCoder The part that says no static IP address
02:50 OldCoder If you ask sales people they will say there is a static IP
02:50 OldCoder There is not
02:50 OldCoder
02:50 comradmax it should have been called MyCloud
02:50 * OldCoder definitely naps
02:50 * OldCoder dreams of a vague horror
02:50 OldCoder azzure
02:51 Xenoth Cthulhuian.
02:51 comradmax Azure Coast in Morrowind?
02:51 Xenoth It's the only word for it.
02:51 comradmax no, that was Azura's
02:51 EUGD *Bitch-Whore's
02:52 EUGD \Vehk
02:52 comradmax is there a mod that converts MT into Morrowind?
02:52 comradmax jk
02:52 EUGD my dream
02:52 EUGD first need voxel subdivision and VAEs
02:52 EUGD then you could theoretically use MT as engine for anything
02:53 EUGD especially open-source projects like (open)morrowind
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03:13 lordfingle OldCoder, yours is a sorry tale
03:13 lordfingle Of the way Azure in it's way did fail
03:13 Juraka Voxel era will be cool
03:13 Juraka is cool*
03:14 lordfingle I can see why it made you sad
03:14 lordfingle And why you might think it's so bad
03:14 lordfingle But I too have an AWS tale,
03:14 lordfingle To bill of things that did also fail
03:15 lordfingle Of charges I too had my fill
03:15 lordfingle The moral here with either is to read the bill
03:16 waressearcher2 read the bill and close the gates
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03:56 swift110-phone Hey guys
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03:59 waressearcher2 swift110-phone: why you always like that ?
04:03 swift110-phone Whats wrong with greeting people
04:09 OldCoder rr
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04:18 waressearcher2 swift110-phone: its like 10 times a day you go and come and say "hi"
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04:24 zat this is what Minetest is missing: http://robocraftgame.com
04:25 swift110-phone Again whats wrong with that
04:25 swift110-phone U could simply greet me back rather than make an issue of it
04:25 zat hey WillMoogle
04:25 zat $#&%$$$%#*&*@%%@#
04:26 zat damn autocomplete
04:26 zat I meant, hi swift110-phone
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04:33 * OldCoder suggests compromise: Hi several times a day OK every hour no
04:33 OldCoder And hi swift110-phone
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04:35 DFeniks how to enable minimap?
04:35 EUGD F9
04:36 EUGD F9 again cycles through zoom levels (including super neat underground mode), Shift-F9 changes the display to a fixed (rather than rotating) square map with a rotating pointer to represent player
04:37 DFeniks thanks
04:42 DFeniks i only wish i could map it to other key
04:47 comradmax are gold and bronze armor pieces exactly the same, just diff colors?
04:48 comradmax im using 3d_armor mod
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05:05 voltagex so I have a Minecraft mod that exposes a webserver to control Minecraft via REST. Could I use JNI to support Minetest as well?
05:09 VanessaE doubt it, minetest is C++ and Lua.
05:09 VanessaE but we have irc/irc_commands mods for that purpose
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05:18 waressearcher2 what "irc" in that case stands for ? Internet Relay Chat ?
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05:25 voltagex VanessaE: I'd be interested in creating an HTTP server mod. The more I look at the state of minecraft, the more my mod is doomed. THere's one guy left doing work on mods for Minecraft (lexmanos)
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08:23 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy World Heart Day! 😃  <3
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09:01 OldCoder Hi
09:01 OldCoder anybody awake?
09:02 Krock nah
09:02 Krock hello :)
09:06 Telesight Hello all, Does minetest work multi threading?
09:06 everamzah I hear it does.
09:08 VanessaE it sorta does.
09:08 VanessaE but where it counts most (rendering, mapgen) it unfortunately does not, yet.
09:09 Telesight hmm, I  see my top is 25% although it can handle 4 threads ...
09:09 everamzah if you push it, you'll see the other 3 move.  i think num_emerge_threads can affect this.
09:10 everamzah i also believe i heard that that setting/feature requires root?  but i have no clue.
09:10 Krock oh yes.. it would be great to have the mapblock loading in a seperate thread
09:10 VanessaE it does not.
09:10 Telesight That means only 1 thread is used or I have a lot to go ;-)
09:12 everamzah http://i.imgur.com/mqsDhOH.png
09:15 Telesight Ok I will look into minetest.conf ...
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10:45 Telesight As far as I can see with  num_emerge_threads = 4  in minetest.conf there is only 25% used of 4CPU's so this settings does no difference on the threads used.
10:46 VanessaE "emerge" refers to map generation
10:46 VanessaE so that setting will only improve the mapgen somewhat, and only if there isn't any Lua involved (register_ongenerated callbacks)
10:47 Telesight ok
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12:37 Megaf Hi
12:37 Megaf Good afternoon
12:37 Megaf Why isn't morning called beforenoon?
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12:38 Megaf or maybe it should be called afternight?
12:38 Megaf so we should have night, afternight, noon and afternoon
12:39 Telesight We have beforenoon ;-)
12:39 Telesight and afternoon ...
12:40 Megaf At least in Portuguese we call nights, night, not evening, afternoons will call "late", morning we call "day", noon we call midday, hm, doesnt make too much sense either, does it?
12:40 Telesight No every country it's own ...
12:41 Telesight like 2 PM ....
12:41 Telesight Why not 14.00 h ?
12:41 Megaf 2 PM is PM only in USA, it's the exeption
12:41 Megaf it 14:00 on the whole world
12:41 Megaf but USA
12:42 Megaf The are the only ones that call themselves by the continent they live (Americans) and one of the few that use the bloody Imperial units
12:43 Megaf and they are the only ones that play football with they hands and throw the balls with hands, instead of kicking the ball with they feet
12:43 Telesight THey are doing it all wrong ;-)
12:44 Megaf (I'm not sure how things are in Canada)
12:44 kahrl I hate how most of the things in Orwell's 1984 have become common except this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24-hour_analog_dial
12:46 Megaf well, some software (widgets and stuff) analog clocks give you the option to have the 24 hour version
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12:47 Megaf Telesight: are you usng Pidgin/Empathy?
12:47 Telesight Pidgin
12:48 Megaf I see, you could try Quassel, is KDE based but it is quite good
12:48 Megaf s/KDE/Qt
12:48 Telesight Why you ask?
12:50 Megaf I sent some CTCP requests to your IRC Client, asking it about your timezone and version and it failed to reply
12:50 Telesight I am not tracable ;-)
12:51 everamzah double plus good
12:52 Telesight ?
12:53 everamzah nineteen eighty-four is the only fiction book i've ever read
12:53 everamzah double plus good
12:54 Telesight Ah.
12:54 * Megaf will trace Telesight
12:54 Telesight haha
12:54 Telesight You can ask directly ...
12:55 Megaf I know you are in the land of the Nether
12:55 Megaf :P
12:55 Megaf maybe not
12:55 Telesight Yes all glowing blocks here ...
12:56 Megaf .nl is from where?
12:56 Megaf yep, Netherlands
12:56 zat lol the nether, I always say that.
12:56 zat Though in Spanish we call it basically Holland.
12:56 Telesight I am behind a portal ...
12:56 zat I don't know why...
12:57 Telesight We have north-holland and south-holland as provinces ...
12:57 Megaf hm, the definition of nether is "Lower in position". That's very interesting and now everything makes sense, because Netherlands in Portuguese is something like, "Lower Countries"
12:57 Telesight The country Holland does not exists
12:58 Megaf And makes sense, because a big part of the land there is under the sea line
12:58 Telesight It is more or less a tradename from the past ...
12:59 Megaf Telesight: so, In Brazil we now a days call it "Holanda", not that Holanda is Holland, is just Netherlands in Brazilian Portuguese
12:59 Megaf I think
12:59 Megaf Interesting stuff
13:00 Telesight We do not call Espana, catalonia ... (although it is close nowadays ;-)
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13:00 kahrl Clearly "Holland" comes from hell-lands = nether-lands
13:01 Telesight Hol is Hollow
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13:02 Telesight We call it Nederland, neder is nether...
13:02 Telesight So yesit al points that it is below sea level.
13:03 Telesight We have a saying: God created the world, the Dutch created the Netherlands ...
13:04 Megaf heh
13:05 Megaf I've been to Amsterdam once, and went to a little town, I don't remember how it is called now but it was pretty nice, narrow roads for pedestrians only
13:05 Megaf and I could see come old windmills on the landscape
13:06 Megaf I walked on some of the several, then frozen, canals
13:07 Telesight Yes the windmills were used for pumping water outside the land ...
13:09 Megaf I know :) The should call them Wind Powered Water Pumps
13:09 Megaf or WPWP for short
13:09 Megaf or 2WP
13:10 Megaf or2W2P maybe
13:10 Megaf you get the idea
13:13 Telesight Are they in Minetest ?
13:15 Megaf well, I have windmills on my server
13:17 Telesight With pumping capicity?
13:17 Telesight a
13:19 Megaf oh, nope,
13:19 Telesight So they are only replacing air ;-)
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13:19 Telesight or air is replacing the wheel ...
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14:49 zat Megaf, Telesight: a big part of the land there is under the sea line????????
14:50 zat so they can be flooded
14:51 comradmax amsterdam?
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14:51 zat The lands of nether.
14:51 comradmax amsterdam is under sea level?  but they have canals, woudlnt that mean it's at sea lvl
14:52 Telesight Yes 2/3 is under sealevel ...
14:52 zat not neccesarily, I guess
14:52 est31 the canals could be pumped up
14:53 comradmax with widmills?
14:53 zat in Spanish we also say lower countries, but not only to the Netherlands.
14:53 zat to all those that have the same flag with a different palette.
14:54 zat that cross... you know...
14:54 comradmax it good that the dutch can do crazy shit like that.  pumping water out...
14:55 zat advanced countries can do about anything
14:55 zat still waiting for Japanese mechas though....
14:55 comradmax Japanese are all robots, but not all of them konw it yet
14:56 zat I think they are just from the future
14:56 zat if we want to know what the future is like, look to Japan.
14:57 dzho or haiti
14:57 zat whan can you look for there
15:00 comradmax Japanese engineers invented a police robot, tested it in Tokyo, and it stopped 3 robberies in the first hour alone.  Then they send it to NYC, in just 1hr, the robot stopped 10 robberies and 2 homicides.  So they then sent it to Moskow, and in 5 minutes someone stole the robot.
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15:00 est31 haha
15:00 est31 like that other moscow joke
15:01 zat replace Moscow with Chile, works the same.
15:01 est31 russian emmigrant comes back to moscow to visit his family
15:01 est31 stands at airport, puts down his case, at the left and right side, then says "moscow, I dont recognize you anymore"
15:02 est31 then he looks to his left, and right, sees the cases were stolen "oh, now I do"
15:02 comradmax :)
15:03 zat wat
15:03 zat brb I go to play Robocraft
15:05 comradmax obligatory at this point, www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQAKRw6mToA
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16:10 Telesight Hello all, I got a server crash see for debug info: http://pastebin.com/83iLRuFh anybody an idea?
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16:13 est31 Telesight, what minetest version are you running
16:13 est31 also, can you share the map with us
16:13 Telesight 0.4.13
16:14 est31 and, can you execute it in a debugger, to give us a stack trace?
16:17 Telesight How to do the debugger?
16:17 est31 how do you execute minetest? over console?
16:17 est31 you build minetest yourself, dont you?
16:18 est31 which are the commands you use for building minetest
16:18 Telesight In a terminal
16:18 est31 yes
16:18 Telesight sudo systemctl start minetest.service
16:19 est31 can you rebuild minetest as debug
16:19 est31 which distro are you on
16:19 Telesight Ubuntu 15.04
16:20 est31 have you set up this systemd service yourself
16:20 Telesight it is on a server
16:20 Telesight yes
16:20 est31 can you recompile it as debug
16:21 est31 ccmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug
16:23 est31 cmake*
16:26 Telesight Sorry i was called away ;-)
16:26 Telesight Minetest is running on a server
16:26 Telesight in a container
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16:28 est31 I guess you know how to rebuild it with custom cmake config?
16:29 Telesight No normally I install it from packages
16:30 Telesight I am not a developer ;-)
16:31 est31 but this time you compiled it yourself
16:31 est31 ?
16:32 Telesight Yes but it took some research how to do it   ...
16:32 est31 can you recall how you did it
16:33 Telesight I always make written tutorials how I do things ;-)
16:34 est31 nice, perhaps you want to write a tutorial "how to build development version of minetest and run it inside gdb??"
16:34 est31 tutorials are a good idea though
16:35 Telesight What is gdb?
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16:37 est31 http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/
16:37 est31 its a tool to get good debug information
16:37 est31 https://sourceware.org/gdb/o​nlinedocs/gdb/Backtrace.html
16:37 est31 1. compile minetest as debug, with cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug
16:37 est31 2. run gdb bin/minetest
16:38 est31 3. type "r" to start minetest
16:38 est31 4. create the crash
16:38 est31 5. type "bt" to get a backtrace
16:38 est31 6. send us the backtrace
16:39 Fixer_aka_cluele who waaants sooome? -> https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=13328
16:41 Telesight I did :  sudo cmake . -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 -DBUILD_SERVER=1
16:41 Telesight sudo make -j$(nproc)
16:42 Telesight But now I must do:    sudo cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug
16:42 swift110-phone I wont say hello to everyone today
16:43 swift110-phone But I will say thanks to the folks that have made minetest
16:43 est31 Telesight, do the  -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 -DBUILD_SERVER=1  as well
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17:02 Calinou hi
17:05 est31 hi Calinou
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17:14 Telesight est31 this is my backtrace: http://pastebin.com/WPN7Hdkk
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17:35 Telesight est31 Do you have any idea?
17:36 est31 Telesight, cant do anything with that backtrace
17:36 est31 its a fake backtrace
17:36 est31 failed project
17:36 est31 rebuild in debug and start with gdb
17:36 Telesight I did that
17:37 est31 you have started with gdb
17:37 est31 but you havent rebuilt in debug
17:37 est31 did you do make after cmake?
17:38 est31 that has to be done
17:38 est31 cmake doesnt build it only makes build configuration
17:38 Telesight Moment will check it ...
17:44 comradmax aws micro server is running, it's the one at the bottom of the public list, called "Ultimate Freedom"
17:48 Telesight est31 I have tried again: http://pastebin.com/a9qUAmMF
17:49 est31 Telesight, interesting
17:49 est31 do you have any special mods?
17:49 est31 now the backtrace works
17:49 est31 with line numbers
17:50 Telesight I have canyon as "demanding" mod
17:51 est31 can you create a bug report on the tracker
17:51 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues
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17:52 Telesight I can try ...
17:55 Fixer_aka_cluele OldCoder, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php​?f=10&amp;t=1705&amp;start=4975#p192982 possible grief detected, everyone can interact on anything, spawn below was griefed somewhat, i've added temporary blocks
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18:03 comradmax random stone square just floating in the sky, possible this is autogenerated? http://www.pasteall.org/pic/93624
18:04 est31 paramat knows of the bug
18:04 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2926
18:05 comradmax looks super cool where it is
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18:09 cg_ who thinks /msg should be saved i you are offline so you get them when you get back?
18:19 Telesight est31 I have created an bug report ...
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18:22 Krock cg_, tat's what the inbox mod is used for
18:22 comradmax umm, does anyone know if Ethereal removes protection stones and tnt?
18:22 cg_ pfft too many /cmds for noods
18:22 cg_ noobs*
18:22 cg_ i use the same /msg :) makes it so much nicer
18:27 cg_ Krock, >>> https://github.com/pinkysnowman/server_tools
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18:28 Krock Looks good
18:29 cg_ :D thanks, its been a fun project. im trying to make one mod that will do most things server owners need
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18:29 Hisforever /clear
18:29 eugd my thing should be good to go
18:30 eugd https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3199
18:30 Hisforever Hi I'm tryong to level a piece of land using //p set, Gow do I clear the blocks of sand?
18:31 Hisforever gow = how
18:31 cg_ only sand or everything?
18:32 Hisforever everytthing
18:32 cg_ select your area //p set
18:32 cg_ then //s air
18:32 Hisforever wow can't type today lol
18:32 Hisforever ty CG_
18:32 cg_ /s is short for //set so if //s doesnt say its a valid cmd do //s
18:33 cg_ //s*
18:33 cg_ and yw
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18:52 comradmax i made a new world, no mods, still not protector block.  here is a screenshot http://www.pasteall.org/pic/93625
18:54 comradmax could i have done something?  when go to other servers, i can make protectors
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18:59 comradmax is the protector block a mod in itself?
18:59 est31 yes
18:59 comradmax so i dont have it because i just didnt install it
19:00 cg_ anyone think a delayed shutdown would be a good idea?
19:00 est31 eg here https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=9376
19:00 comradmax thx
19:09 comradmax problem solved!
19:09 eugd i never liked the way protector mod works
19:10 Krock and I never liked the crafting guide nodes, still, some people like it
19:11 eugd just saying it seems to me like something the engine should provide better support for
19:11 eugd right now the mod just tracks and replaces after break, right?
19:11 est31 no
19:11 est31 its client prediction getting in the way
19:12 eugd ah
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19:21 comradmax i see that there is a 'protected chest', i've only seen/used locked chests before.  what's the diff?  protected chest is like the locked one, but i can add other ppl to the list of users who can open it?
19:21 Krock Yes,maybe it depends on the area protection
19:22 comradmax cool
19:28 comradmax now, tnt, when i go to the same world in singleplayer, i can make gunpowder and tnt, but in my server, with the same world.mt file, there is no tnt.  why would this be?  i didnt have to add the tnt mod, or enable it...
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19:29 comradmax found a setting in the .conf :)
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20:07 MinetestBot [git] LeMagnesium -> minetest/minetest_game: Adding bones' drop feature Before, when you died, you got to punch you bones to get back your stuff, the bones block was not dropped. However, a lot of people wants to use them for decorations/building, and have to install a dedicated mod since 0.4.10-release. With this commit, a bones block containing an inventory is dropped/added to inventory (if enough room) when the
20:07 MinetestBot [git] codeandfix -> minetest/minetest_game: Update api.lua ff0973f http://git.io/vcGUz (2015-09-29T21:01:20+01:00)
20:07 * ElectronLibre should not write such long commit descriptions
20:08 Calinou use multi-line commit
20:09 Calinou just write something like this https://up1.ca/#LSCHcZb3yh7qUREfTaTBJQ
20:09 ElectronLibre I assumed a simple git commit was multiline; how are you supposed to do a multi-line commit?
20:09 Calinou in "git commit"
20:09 Calinou (don't use -m, it makes for silly oneliners)
20:09 ElectronLibre I don't use -m.
20:10 ElectronLibre Unless I'm in a hurry to push a bugfix.
20:10 nrzkt ElectronLibre: type enter before finishing your quote.
20:10 ElectronLibre Oh, I see what is wrong.
20:10 est31 and the second line should be empty
20:10 ElectronLibre I put a space before the first hyphen.
20:10 est31 common mistake
20:11 ElectronLibre Markdown mistake. Okay, so now I know how to do it properly.
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20:31 Puka_ Miner?
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21:08 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Some map border related fixes 2a7d01b http://git.io/vcG4I (2015-09-29T23:06:15+02:00)
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21:44 comradmax that micro running MT server :) http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=93633
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22:53 Qwertie Hi
22:54 Qwertie Im getting this error running mine test on ubuntu 15.05 http://pastebin.com/SSXTtbU1
22:56 est31 can you restart your computer and try again
22:56 Qwertie Alright. I do that in a bit and try again
22:59 waressearcher2 "can you restart your computer and try again", isn't it a weindows support pharase ?
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23:00 est31 no
23:00 est31 its general IT support phrase
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23:01 waressearcher2 est31: but I never heard that for troubleshooting linux problems
23:01 est31 well, sometimes its neccessary
23:02 est31 I know of at least one bug where the only way to fix is to restart linux
23:02 waressearcher2 even kernel modules can be unloaded and loaded again without reboot
23:03 est31 lots of stuff can
23:03 est31 but linux is shit on the gfx side
23:07 Qwertie Well. Restarting actually did work..
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23:11 waressearcher2 seem linux becomes more like windows nowadays
23:11 waressearcher2 or just ubuntu
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23:12 swift110 how do i play with others in minetest
23:19 comradmax swift110, you log into one of the many servers that are up and running
23:20 swift110 comradmax: ok that sounds cool you got links
23:21 comradmax you would start Minetest and then see the list right there
23:21 comradmax under Client tab
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