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00:04 Wayward_One AgentFire: VE-Creative, VE-Survival, Finerealms, and I *think* MG-Nore are the only ones I know of at the moment
00:05 AgentFire Okay, although don't you need to ask for interact on VE survival?
00:06 Wayward_One Yes, but I believe there are a few admins available right now
00:07 AgentFire Alright
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00:35 crazyR any forum admins/moderators online?
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00:47 kaeza crazyR, yes?
00:48 Thenextlevel wrong chat
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00:51 crazyR kaeza: could your remove this topic for me, id like to start a fresh one, due to how long the server has been down for. https://forum.minetest.net/posting.​php?mode=edit&f=10&p=145550
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00:52 kaeza crazyR, sure. if you need to copy anything from it, do so now
00:53 kaeza or should I trash it right away?
00:53 crazyR feel free to trash it ive copied what i need :) thanks
00:54 kaeza okay, done
00:54 kaeza no probs
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01:47 CriminalWater VanessaE: Can I have interact on your survival server?
01:57 kaeza CriminalWater, did you already login there? if so, what is your in-game-name?
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02:20 CriminalWater kaeza: I am AgentFire on there
02:24 kaeza AgentFire, done
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02:41 DFeniks what i need to install to get curl?
02:42 DFeniks CURL_INCLUDE_DIR = CURL_INCLUDE_DIR-NOTFOUND
02:42 DFeniks CURL_LIBRARY = CURL_LIBRARY-NOTFOUND
02:42 kaeza sudo apt-get install libcurl4-gnutls-dev
02:42 DFeniks CURL_DLL =
02:43 kaeza or whatever the equivalent for your distro is
02:43 DFeniks ok i will try
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02:56 Ch98 How long is the in game day?
02:56 LazyJ Default is about a 20 minute cycle.
02:56 LazyJ Some servers have their day/night cycles set to 12hrs.
02:56 LazyJ Others may have the cycle stopped to all-time day.
02:57 Ch98 Ok thanks!
02:57 LazyJ yw ;)
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04:56 DFeniks with nouveau driver on this old card mx 440 textures in inventory look weird
04:58 DFeniks if i compiled on 10.10 ubuntu i at least can see them but more transparent than needed . but compiled on 14.04 they invisible
04:59 DFeniks i wonder whats the cause
05:00 DFeniks different compiler or maybe some library
05:02 DFeniks ah , i will try to compile with bundled irrlicht
05:04 DFeniks my mistake its not bundled . but anyway
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05:34 DFeniks oh its only server that i can build without irrlicht ...
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05:38 FreeFull Yeah, the server doesn't need 3D graphics
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07:16 MrNomNom111 #minetest-mod
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08:21 cg72 https://github.com/crazyginger72/love_mod
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09:04 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Use setting groups for NoiseParams 68c799b http://git.io/zFmHBw (2014-12-02T04:03:37-05:00)
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13:32 VanessaE ShadowNinja: ^^^^^^ those need to have an automatic timeout of like 6 hours or something
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14:38 paramat cg72 that's sweet =}
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14:38 shadowzone What?
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14:44 VanessaE [12-02 03:24] <cg72> https://github.com/crazyginger72/love_mod
14:44 VanessaE maybe this?
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14:50 someguy_irc shadowzone, xD
14:50 shadowzone OH
14:50 * shadowzone reads the readme
14:50 shadowzone O_O]
14:50 someguy_irc ..
14:50 someguy_irc :
14:50 someguy_irc lol
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15:01 jalmeida hi, how to create user to play minetest ?
15:01 VanessaE you just play.
15:01 VanessaE minetest doesn't use a central registration site or any such thing
15:02 VanessaE you just go to the "Singleplayer" tab and create a new world and click "play", or select a server in the "Client" tab and fill in a name and password.  make up a new name and password right then and there if you need to.  remember them.
15:02 jalmeida but he asks login and pass,
15:03 VanessaE Minetest does not ask for a login and password for singleplayer use.
15:03 shadowzone VanessaE: I see the item textures has been removed
15:04 VanessaE jalmeida: are you trying to play on a server somewhere?
15:04 VanessaE shadowzone: do what?
15:04 shadowzone The item textures in recent git
15:04 VanessaE shadowzone: I don't understand your statement.  Please clarify :)
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15:05 jalmeida no , dont play
15:05 shadowzone They removed item textures so no more yelling at people to turn it off before join VE-S
15:06 shadowzone *joining
15:06 VanessaE jalmeida: then just click on the "Singleplayer" tab at the top of the Minetest window, and then select a world to play in, or create a new one and play there.
15:06 VanessaE no username/password are needed for this
15:06 jalmeida the game starts, but you can not do anything
15:06 VanessaE shadowzone: you mean "preload item visuals"
15:06 shadowzone Yes
15:07 VanessaE jalmeida: can you reproduce the problem and take a screenshot of it please?
15:07 jalmeida yep
15:07 * shadowzone configures her phones email
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15:11 jalmeida http://ibin.co/1jGEkLyrnaCJ
15:12 jalmeida http://ibin.co/1jGEy5iB66BH
15:12 shadowzone oooooohhhh
15:12 shadowzone You're using a outdated version
15:12 jalmeida i get the game from ubuntu market
15:12 shadowzone yeah..
15:13 shadowzone go to https://www.minetest.net/download
15:13 shadowzone scroll down and look for downloads for ubuntu/linux mint
15:13 shadowzone click the very top on
15:13 shadowzone *one
15:13 VanessaE oh goodness
15:13 VanessaE 0.3.1?
15:13 shadowzone XD
15:13 VanessaE that's ollllllllllllllllllllllllddddddddd
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15:14 SergioAD Hello
15:14 jalmeida is possible i help developer he ?
15:14 VanessaE jalmeida: just uninstall minetest from the Ubuntu Store and go get it from minetest.net like shadowzone said.
15:14 SergioAD I am making my own Minetest game but I have not all the stairs, what can I do?
15:14 shadowzone or you can compile it
15:14 VanessaE sebastian: get Calinou's moreblocks
15:15 VanessaE damn it
15:15 VanessaE SergioAD: ^^^^^^^^^
15:15 SergioAD I have the Carbone's ones (yes I am basing mysellf on Carbone) but I have not the default ones
15:15 jalmeida i have knoleged about developement
15:15 VanessaE jalmeida: don't worry about development
15:15 VanessaE jalmeida: get this:  https://launchpad.net/~minete​stdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable
15:16 VanessaE uninstall minetest, add that ^^^^^^^ PPA, install minetest.
15:16 VanessaE you will have 0.4.10 then.
15:16 * shadowzone installed 0.3.1 for testing
15:16 SergioAD VanessaE: my game will get some elements from the default game and some others from Carbone
15:16 VanessaE SergioAD: Carbone IS the default game, with tweaks
15:16 VanessaE (basically)
15:16 SergioAD I know it but I have not the default stairs and this is so strange friend :D
15:17 VanessaE SergioAD: well you can grab the "stairs" mod from minetest_game if it's not already in Carbone
15:17 VanessaE but I can't say that it'll work or not
15:17 VanessaE hm
15:17 SergioAD Ok
15:17 VanessaE it's already in there
15:17 VanessaE maybe moreblocks disables the old stairs recipes
15:18 SergioAD I have removed Moreblocks
15:18 VanessaE D:
15:18 SergioAD consumes lots of RAM and we are not sure to get a fluid generation
15:19 SergioAD sometimes when I used moreblocks the game generation was chaotic
15:19 SergioAD so I have removed it
15:19 VanessaE it should not do that
15:19 SergioAD I think I will use the default stairs mod
15:19 VanessaE I've never had moreblocks do that, in fact
15:20 SergioAD VanessaE: 1 GB of RAM here
15:20 VanessaE that's enough.
15:20 VanessaE don't try to run Dreambuilder in that, though ;)
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15:20 VanessaE (you'll need about 2GB for that game)
15:22 SergioAD yes, this is why I do not use Moreblocks
15:24 Megaf_ Hi all
15:24 SergioAD and I have promesed to release this game soon
15:24 Megaf_ so, I made come new cubes, Id like now to add a frame to them, what line to I add the init.lua?
15:25 SergioAD Hello Megaf_
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15:31 SergioAD another question wich image name is the chest backgrounds?
15:31 SergioAD I want turn it back to the transparent black one
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15:32 SergioAD the blue one is a little bit material (and I like material design) but I preffer the default one for more consistencne
15:36 Megaf_ SergioAD: are you talking about more_chests?
15:37 SergioAD I do not know
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15:38 SergioAD I do not know wich mod uses this blue if is more chests how can I apply it to the others?
15:40 SergioAD Stairs problem solved :D
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16:12 Megaf_ VanessaE: can you see anything wrong in this line? player:get_inventory():add_item('main', "pixels:"..name.."_framed"' 10000')
16:12 exio4 what about that last '
16:13 exio4 and I think that is missing a ,
16:13 exio4 am I wrong?
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16:13 Megaf_ its ' 10000'
16:14 exio4 are you still missing a ","?
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16:14 Megaf_ This line is correct player:get_inventory():add_item('main', "pixels:"..name' 10000')
16:14 Megaf_ it works without ,
16:15 Megaf_ exio4: VanessaE https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/blo​b/master/mods/default/init.lua#L28
16:16 lulz how does that even work o.O
16:18 Megaf_ line 33 is the problem
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16:19 Megaf_ never mind, I messed something else
16:21 VanessaE Megaf_: just looks like mismatched quotes, to me
16:21 zatherz MUSIC TIME! Share whatever you're listening to at the moment or were listening the last time!
16:21 Megaf_ This worked https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/commit/47cbfa7a​b9452a753436b1bf2fb957ed1204228f?diff=unified
16:22 VanessaE your quotes are still mismatched.
16:22 VanessaE you have ' in some placed and " in others
16:22 VanessaE use the same thing all the time
16:22 Megaf_ ok
16:22 VanessaE or at least, in the same sections of code
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16:25 Megaf_ Thanks VanessaE, it worked now
16:27 Megaf_ line looks like this now layer:get_inventory():add_item("main", "pixels:"..name.."_framed 10000")
16:28 exio4 I still think that isn't doing what you want it to do
16:30 Megaf_ I will see now
16:33 PenguinDad zatherz: Ok https://soundcloud.com/robgasserm​usic/barely-alive-welcome-to-the
16:33 Megaf_ exio4: yep. mot working
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16:42 Megaf_ I give up using a table for now
16:42 Megaf_ will write all items by hand
16:53 exio4 Megaf_, aren't you missing a ,?
16:53 exio4 layer:get_inventory():add_item("main", "pixels:"..name.."_framed 10000") → layer:get_inventory():add_item("main", "pixels:"..name.."_framed", 10000)
16:54 Megaf_ I gave up of that idea
16:54 Megaf_ exio4: doing like this now https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/blo​b/master/mods/default/init.lua#L5
16:54 Megaf_ but still not working
16:54 Megaf_ Im not sure where I should put the )
16:55 Megaf_ I got it, i think, lets see
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16:56 Megaf_ exio4: finally working
16:56 Megaf_ !up mt.megaf.info
16:56 MinetestBot mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (2ms)
16:56 PenguinDad Megaf_: you should remove the comma on this line https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/blo​b/master/mods/default/init.lua#L36
16:57 Megaf_ PenguinDad: I removed it, thanks
17:00 Yellowberry you know what guys
17:00 Yellowberry I really like the people in this channel
17:01 Megaf_ So do I Yellowberry
17:01 Yellowberry anyone who wants to is welcome to join my channel, #yellowberry
17:01 Yellowberry because I have a feeling that no mean people will join
17:01 Megaf_ exio4: PenguinDad: Now that I have that working, I will try again with a table
17:02 Megaf_ Yellowberry: I have my channel already, and Im the only one there
17:02 Yellowberry what might that be?
17:03 Megaf_ #Megaf of course
17:04 ElectronLibre (I think you will be no longer the only one on this channel, you've just given it's name so..)
17:04 Megaf_ ElectronLibre: you are absolutely right
17:04 exio4 wrong namespace Megaf_, should be ##megaf
17:05 ElectronLibre The first thing a basic people do with a channel name is to join it :D.
17:05 ElectronLibre ^ Megaf_ , Yellowberry, exio4 is right.
17:05 Megaf_ exio4: is the official channel about me
17:05 Megaf_ I am Open Source
17:06 Yellowberry and #yellowberry is a project channel, even though it is named after me
17:06 Megaf_ everybody can have access to human DNA
17:06 Megaf_ you can have access to my DNA, if you pay for it... because I have no resources...
17:06 exio4 privacy reasons
17:07 exio4 because you can have access doesn't mean you can take it as free software
17:07 exio4 there are lots of available-source-code software that isn't opensource nor freesoft
17:07 exio4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzN4Ep5Jkgk
17:08 exio4 siento todo ireal, cuando es con vos ~
17:08 twoelk Megaf_: is there allready a thread for your game?
17:09 Megaf_ twoelk: nope, its not stable
17:09 twoelk mh, maybe I should still add it to the wiki list
17:10 Megaf_ twoelk: not yet please
17:10 twoelk :-(
17:10 Megaf_ twoelk: the main component of the game is not added to it yet
17:10 Megaf_ that is the pixels
17:10 kattsmisk is 18.10 too late to make coffee
17:10 exio4 it is always too late
17:10 kattsmisk and is the OldCoder awake?
17:10 twoelk oh, sorry didn't look at it in detail yet
17:10 exio4 pepsi/cocacola > coffe
17:10 exio4 e
17:10 * Yellowberry prepares to GTFOf
17:10 kattsmisk exio4: now you ruined my day :C
17:11 Megaf_ twoelk: if you help, it will get ready quicker. I need to built in some kind of areas protection in it
17:11 PenguinDad exio4++
17:11 Megaf_ on default/init.lua
17:11 exio4 \o/ PenguinDad
17:11 * twoelk wonders what a pixelgame without pixels might look like
17:11 exio4 someone who shares my addictions?
17:11 Megaf_ I have built it on it give initial stuff and sethome aready
17:11 Megaf_ and legacy and mapgen
17:11 Yellowberry twoelk: very transparent
17:12 twoelk lol
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17:13 OldCoder kattsmisk, ?
17:13 PenguinDad rdach
17:13 PenguinDad :P
17:16 Yellowberry PenguinDad: hi!
17:17 exio4 http://i.imgur.com/41511go.jpg PenguinDad :3
17:17 exio4 also, the eval function, http://i.imgur.com/we5aDbI.jpg
17:19 * twoelk fires up pixelgame and joins - hm - pretty dark - 2 minutes later - woa, here comes mapgen
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17:21 twoelk Megaf: strange mapgen, many plateaus and rectangular lines/dikes
17:22 Jordach BFD with MGV5 :P
17:22 PenguinDad exio4: pls2use a better font :3
17:22 Megaf_ exio4: it works now https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/blo​b/master/mods/default/init.lua#L24
17:22 exio4 PenguinDad, >_>
17:22 Megaf_ exio4: yep, Im working on the mapgen
17:23 Megaf_ twoelk: here you can have an idea about the game
17:23 Megaf_ !up mt.megaf.info
17:23 MinetestBot mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (2ms)
17:23 exio4 2ms...
17:23 exio4 sure!
17:24 * ElectronLibre have definitively decided to give a chance to this : http://learnyouahaskell.com/introduction
17:24 exio4 :D
17:24 Yellowberry harhar http://puu.sh/decWj/8af80f001d.jpg
17:25 exio4 I recommend you https://github.com/bitemyapp/learnhaskell ElectronLibre
17:25 * Megaf_ waits for people to join his test server
17:25 PenguinDad Yellowberry: nice one :D
17:25 Yellowberry yeah
17:26 twoelk Megaf, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/A2zpJ0BusA98.png
17:26 * ElectronLibre catches exio4's link and add it to his bookmarks.
17:26 Megaf_ twoelk: crazy isnt it?
17:27 twoelk is that when mudflow/biomblend is missing?
17:27 Megaf_ no idea
17:28 Megaf_ currentely mapgen v6 is being used
17:28 Calinou Carbone disables both biome blend and mud flow
17:28 Calinou (faster, biome blend sometimes looks bad, mud flow is superfluous)
17:28 Megaf_ twoelk: problem is, I have removed all nodes/tools but dirt_with_grass
17:29 twoelk the dark blotches are transparent trees it seems
17:29 Megaf_ Calinou: How do I define in my gave the mapgen to be used and other params? add a minetest.conf to it?
17:30 Calinou minetest.conf, yes
17:30 Calinou will only affect new worlds created with it
17:30 Calinou you can add any setting to it, as long as they are server-side
17:30 Calinou take a look at Carbone's minetest.conf
17:30 exio4 Calinou, listen to Rata Blanca songs
17:31 twoelk an invisible forest https://cdn.mediacru.sh/saANZjcJ7GC8.png
17:31 Calinou https://gitorious.org/calinou/ca​rbone/source/HEAD:minetest.conf
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17:32 exio4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjU1dNkLnYA
17:33 exio4 !title
17:33 MinetestBot exio4: Rata Blanca-La leyenda del Hada y el Mago - YouTube
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17:34 jalmeida what is libleveldb1 ???
17:35 ElectronLibre A library I think, which is needed to use leveldb I suppose.
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17:35 Calinou jalmeida, a library to use LevelDB, a database system which can be used to host Minetest worlds
17:35 Calinou SQLite is the default; Redis is another choice (works in client-server way)
17:36 jalmeida show this massage depndency in  instalation
17:37 jalmeida * message dependence
17:37 zatherz oh Debian and it's style of naming things
17:37 zatherz "libleveldb1"
17:37 zatherz like "libleveldb" is just not enough
17:37 jalmeida how to install this dependency ?
17:37 zatherz MASSAGE DEPENDENCY hahahaha
17:37 twoelk Megaf_: cannot connect to port 30000
17:37 Calinou sudo apt install libleveldb1
17:37 Calinou on older systems: sudo apt-get install libleveldb1
17:38 Calinou you type this in a terminal, then input your password, then accept by pressing [Enter]
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17:38 exio4 dat solo
17:38 jalmeida nice thanks
17:38 Megaf_ twoelk: you took too long
17:38 Megaf_ I will start it again soon
17:39 ElectronLibre Calinou: What, there is a command called "apt" instead of "apt-get"?
17:39 twoelk ok no problem
17:39 Calinou as of Ubuntu 14.04/April 2014 for Debian Testing/Sid, yes.
17:39 Megaf_ jalmeida: in cmake add -DENABLE_LEVELDB=0
17:39 Calinou it features: simpler usage (apt update, apt install, apt full-upgrade), progress bars, colours…
17:39 Calinou use it!
17:40 ElectronLibre *O*
17:40 Megaf_ Calinou: are you serious?
17:40 Calinou yes
17:40 * ElectronLibre runs to his laptop and open a terminal window.
17:40 Megaf_ lol
17:40 Calinou http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=apt
17:40 Calinou https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=apt
17:40 Megaf_ just tried on my Debian machine
17:40 Megaf_ so colorful
17:40 Megaf_ lol
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17:41 Calinou the bottom line is yellow, progress bar is on green background
17:41 Calinou apt edit-sources ⇒ shortcut to edit sources file
17:41 Calinou beware, no tab completion when using apt command… only apt-get and apt-cache have it :(
17:41 exio4 Calinou, → ftw
17:42 PenguinDad Calinou: aptitude has tab completion too
17:48 * ElectronLibre has drown in the beautiful colored progess bar of apt full-update command *-*
17:48 Calinou full-upgrade*
17:48 exio4 I haven't used "apt"
17:48 exio4 my fingers already have apt-xxx yyy memorized
17:49 Megaf_ Calinou: I think it didnt work https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/tree/master
17:49 Megaf_ whats wrong with my minetest.conf?
17:50 ElectronLibre exio4: Me too, so when I typed "apt" my finger was on the "-" key.. Let's accustom to it.
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17:50 exio4 I can write "apt-get install" in like, a second and half
17:50 exio4 and "apt" alone in a second and half
17:51 exio4 because I am already too used to apt-get install :P
17:51 crazyR_ hmm it would be a really cool thing if each player had a folder, then all mods stored player info within the players folder... that way deleting a player would be as simple as deleting the folder
17:51 ElectronLibre 1sec and a little bit more to me..
17:52 Megaf_ crazyR_: Thats possible, if all modders store things in the same folder
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17:52 Megaf_ and this way mods could share stuff
17:53 crazyR_ maybe its worth finding a way to encourage modders to do this
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17:55 crazyR_ eg       world->players->[playername]->mod.txt
17:55 crazyR_ eg       world->players->[playername]->[modname].txt
17:57 Megaf_ twoelk: can you try to join now please?
17:57 Megaf_ !up mt.megaf.info
17:57 MinetestBot mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (2ms)
17:58 Yellowberry exio4: same for me with "pacaur -S"
17:58 twoelk opps answered on wrong channel, give me a sec
17:58 exio4 pacaur? wat
17:58 Yellowberry arch
17:58 Yellowberry :D
17:58 exio4 what happened with pacman, and yogurt
17:58 Megaf_ twoelk: And my game is stable now, and the server is almost stable
17:58 zatherz exio4: ummm
17:58 zatherz exio4: pacman is the package manager Arch uses
17:58 Megaf_ all I need is a simple proptection system
17:58 zatherz exio4: yaourt is an AUR helper
17:59 zatherz exio4: and so is pacaur
17:59 Yellowberry its an external package manager
17:59 Yellowberry yeah
17:59 zatherz Yellowberry: nope
17:59 Yellowberry exsaclty
17:59 zatherz Yellowberry: it's an AUR helper
17:59 exio4 so, the new cool aur helper
17:59 zatherz Yellowberry: and pacman wrapper
17:59 exio4 replacement of yogurt = pacaur
17:59 Yellowberry some people swear be the other one
17:59 Yellowberry but I like pacaur
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17:59 zatherz I prefer cower + makepkg
17:59 exio4 I prefer a decent distro
18:00 zatherz exio4: >Debian-based
18:00 zatherz exio4: >decent
18:00 zatherz exio4: u wot m8
18:00 exio4 gentoo
18:00 exio4 debian is neat though
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18:00 exio4 how is debian not decent?
18:00 zatherz neat until you see it pull fucking 700 MB of packages when installing lxde
18:01 Calinou you installed it wrong
18:01 zatherz including Xorg and every. single. whopping X driver
18:01 exio4 don't install recommended packages
18:01 exio4 also, gentoo
18:01 Calinou --no-install-recommends is your friend if you want to be light
18:01 exio4 gentoo does "minimalism" right
18:01 Calinou exio4, it's yaourt, not yoghurt
18:01 Calinou (French for yoghurt)
18:01 zatherz exio4: so does Arch when set up right
18:01 exio4 archlinux looks bloated as fuck compared to Gentoo
18:01 zatherz exio4: Gentoo is good too
18:01 Calinou the point of Debian is not to be minimal
18:01 zatherz exio4: lol
18:01 exio4 Calinou, I know
18:01 zatherz exio4: Gentoo looks bloated as fuck compared to LFS
18:02 ElectronLibre Calinou: And stable if I remember correctly.
18:02 exio4 zatherz, all the people saying "Archlinux is awesome, I am still so little packages for having a working system", end installing 400 packages more than they would do in Debian, and half of those are git unofficial packages which break every month
18:02 zatherz exio4: yes yes
18:02 exio4 zatherz, Gentoo does that part right
18:02 zatherz exio4: where did you hear that?
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18:02 zatherz exio4: from fuck-arch-linux.gentoo.org?
18:03 exio4 zatherz, I suffered from it, my _Intel_ gpu didn't work in archlinux as it could
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18:03 exio4 you know why? a bunch of blending-edge packages that didn't work together in half the hardware you ran it
18:03 zatherz exio4: >flaming on the fact Arch is bleeding edge
18:03 zatherz exio4: >using gentoo
18:03 zatherz exio4: seems legit
18:03 exio4 Gentoo doesn't fuck up
18:04 exio4 at least the years I used it, it didn't fuck up like Arch did
18:04 exio4 and it allowed me to really tweak my system
18:04 zatherz exio4: you seem like a type of a humping troll flaming "ermeghert guise mah distroz bettah!111!!!!!!"
18:04 exio4 zatherz, ad hominem
18:05 zatherz exio4: at least I don't have to spend 100000 hours on every package to compile, but I could if I wanted to ;)
18:05 exio4 I flame against the fact that it is "last version of everything", but half the stuff doesn't work
18:05 Calinou ElectronLibre, stable is stable as in “not changing”, not as in “not broken”
18:05 exio4 zatherz, it is a tradeoff
18:05 Calinou Testing may also be stable (as in not broken), but not as in not changing
18:05 zatherz exio4: "half the stuff does not work" if you are unable to use /dev/brain ;)
18:05 exio4 using debian stable as host, debian sid as guest here
18:06 exio4 zatherz, ad hominem again
18:06 exio4 zatherz, it is really nice to see you're so intelligent btw
18:06 Calinou I like last versions
18:07 zatherz exio4: if you install whopping every -git package form AUR then expect your system to break
18:07 exio4 so do I, they aren't nice when your shitty IGP can't even run glxgears at more than 20 FPS
18:07 zatherz *from
18:07 Calinou I like how Arch doesn't separate -dev packages from normal ones, this reduces package list length by a lot
18:07 exio4 zatherz, in all debians, and _gentoo_ (with _nearly_ the same packages), I had a working distro, I had to compile my own kernel and hack the framebuffer X11 driver to get decent speeds in anything that was accelerated
18:08 zatherz exio4: and...?
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18:08 zatherz exio4: I don't know what would stop you from compiling your own kernel or hacking the fb X11 driver in Arch
18:08 exio4 zatherz, archlinux's solution was 1) waiting, 2) downgrading, 3) compiling X11 from myself
18:08 zatherz exio4: ehem
18:08 zatherz exio4: interesting
18:08 exio4 that is like saying "I don't use gentoo because I have to compile, but compiling is nice in Archlinux"
18:08 zatherz exio4: interesting why you didn't just compile the kernel
18:09 exio4 I did
18:09 zatherz and hack the fb X11 driver on Arch as well
18:09 exio4 it didn't change anything, it only made the fb driver stop crashing but still sucked
18:09 exio4 that is what I did in Archlinux
18:09 Jordach D:
18:09 zatherz if you had an exact same setup with the exact configs and one was different
18:09 zatherz then you're telling fairy tales
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18:11 exio4 "hey dude, I had this working after 2 days, 47 hours were compiling KDE, Xorg, the kernel, firefox, libreoffice, and everything, but it worked, and was really minimal" and "I had this system working after 2 days, I spent 30 hours searching and hacking stuff until I got it, and then spent 10 hours compiling the fixed stuff"
18:11 zatherz ummm
18:11 zatherz ehem
18:11 exio4 gentoo was really easy to setup, with kinda new versions
18:12 zatherz I didn't knew compiling Linux stuff on Gentoo was different than compiling Linux stuff on Arch
18:12 zatherz thanks for informing me though
18:12 exio4 gentoo makes it easy
18:12 zatherz [yes, that's sarcasm]
18:12 exio4 the quality of archlinux's packages is kinda sucky
18:12 zatherz exio4: as in...?
18:12 exio4 zatherz, have you used emerge? and hacked with ebuilds?
18:13 exio4 they are like your shiny aur packages, but decent and powerful
18:13 zatherz exio4: and now by saying "AUR packages" I'm sure you never user Arch or used it for not too much
18:13 zatherz *used
18:14 exio4 I don't remember the name of pkgsomething
18:14 zatherz exio4: heard about ABS?
18:14 exio4 it was pkgscript
18:14 exio4 or pkgbuild, or something like that
18:14 exio4 yes zatherz
18:14 exio4 they're basically pkgsomethings for the core packages
18:14 exio4 I haven't used it the last years
18:15 exio4 maybe what I am saying is mostly BS and Archlinux suffered a rewrite from scratch and it doesn't suck as it did
18:15 zatherz exio4: what you said before makes ("hey dude [...]") no sense
18:16 exio4 english isn't my native language, but I find it kinda easy to read, what do you mean?
18:16 zatherz exio4: 1. how worse is compiling something 10 hours instead of 47 hours and about "30 hours searching and hacking stuff", if it worked on the other one, why don't you take the version they used there?
18:17 zatherz exio4: if it worked on one and didn't work on the other one, then for sure one of them had to change something, right?
18:17 exio4 zatherz, it wasn't a change, it was mixing stuff up, after a few versions that bug got fixed
18:17 zatherz exio4: or it was the problem of the building environment and thus the user
18:17 zatherz exio4: "mixing stuff up"?
18:17 zatherz exio4: as in whaT?
18:17 zatherz *what?
18:17 exio4 zatherz, mesa / x11 / kernel drivers
18:18 exio4 "last versions" don't mean "awesomeness", they mean "not so well tested stuff", most of the time they work, when they don't, you are fucked
18:18 zatherz exio4: then if you are "mixing stuff up" it's certainly not the distro's problem?
18:18 exio4 zatherz, I had to mix more stuff to get it working, the official mesa libraries were too new
18:18 zatherz exio4: hate to burst your bubble, but Gentoo is rolling too
18:19 exio4 zatherz, gentoo doesn't allow you to fuck up so easily
18:19 zatherz exio4: how so?
18:19 zatherz exio4: does it use the magic of fairies to do that?
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18:19 rubenwardy Oh yay, flamewar
18:20 rubenwardy !ban *@*
18:20 exio4 kinda like that, it is called having decent ebuilds
18:20 zatherz exio4: it is called having decent pkgbuilds
18:20 exio4 something that isn't available in Archlinu
18:20 exio4 x
18:21 ElectronLibre rubenwardy, is *@* a smiley you want to ban :D?
18:21 zatherz exio4: installing AUR packages left and right is not the problem of Arch
18:21 rubenwardy XD. It bans everyone.
18:21 exio4 zatherz, I had the problem with official packages
18:21 zatherz exio4: when?
18:21 exio4 zatherz, the solution _all_ the people had, were aur packages
18:22 zatherz exio4: I asked you when that was?
18:22 exio4 oh, I think it was like end of 2012 or 2011
18:22 zatherz then we are talking about different times man
18:22 zatherz I'm talking about present Arch
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18:23 zatherz did not have a single breakage that wasn't caused by me
18:23 exio4 what I have been saying is what archlinux says
18:23 zatherz ?
18:23 exio4 "archlinux is beautiful, minimal, and kinda a tradeoff between gentoo and debian, it breaks a little bit every month, and needs a bit more of care, but it is totally worth it"
18:23 exio4 (not in thoe words, but, you get it)
18:23 exio4 those*
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18:24 zatherz I agree that it needs more care and the breaks relate to how much care you put in it
18:25 exio4 gentoo, archlinux, debian, some care, lots of care, some care, source, binary, binary
18:25 zatherz but it aims to be a minimalistic generally-binary-based distro and it does this right
18:25 Wayward_One does anyone know what could be causing random fps drops on my client? it freezes for a few seconds at a time frequently
18:25 zatherz Gentoo does being a minimalistic source-based distro right as well
18:25 exio4 gentoo needed some initial care but after it, for the whole year, didn't need _that_ much, outside the few first weeks where I tested different flags :P
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18:27 Krock hi.
18:27 exio4 \o
18:27 zatherz Krock: o/
18:27 exio4 zatherz, how long have you been using arch btw
18:27 * Krock wonders who zatherz is
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18:30 zatherz for not really much time
18:30 exio4 I really loved arch the first six months I used it, and I didn't mind the extra care it needed
18:33 * sfan5 ack exio4
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19:09 FreeFull I have NixOS in a VM and it seems nice
19:13 Yellowberry I use arch too
19:16 PenguinDad I use linux too! :P
19:16 Krock I don't use linux!
19:17 Calinou “I use NT and Linux”
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19:18 Krock NT is only a New Technology
19:19 PenguinDad No Trap, Negative Term...
19:19 Krock No Toxic
19:19 Hobodium Neo Tokyo
19:19 Yellowberry Nerd Trap
19:20 PenguinDad Nautic Ton
19:20 Hobodium Nuptial Trade
19:21 Krock Nervous Team
19:21 Yellowberry No Train
19:21 Yellowberry Nope Train
19:21 Yellowberry lel
19:21 Yellowberry such 4han
19:22 PenguinDad No Triggers
19:22 Yellowberry No Turtles
19:23 VanessaE without turtles, won't the world collapse?
19:23 Yellowberry true
19:23 Yellowberry because of the turtles of time
19:24 Yellowberry Not Tetris
19:24 Yellowberry oh snap
19:24 Yellowberry such product placment
19:25 PenguinDad Nitro Tour
19:25 Yellowberry Naughty Terminals
19:26 ElectronLibre VanessaE: I think it could, like when you launch minetest --disable-unittests
19:26 Yellowberry Nordic Tomatoes
19:27 PenguinDad Noseless Time
19:27 ElectronLibre N* T* <= An easy way to type all the possibilities.
19:28 Yellowberry lol
19:28 Yellowberry Nozzle Transmission
19:28 PenguinDad Note Transponder
19:29 Yellowberry Nice Train
19:29 PenguinDad Noobish Trainer
19:30 Yellowberry No Torrenting
19:30 PenguinDad ElectronLibre: sorry but that's not the regex you're searching for :P
19:30 ElectronLibre No Thanks.
19:31 PenguinDad Need Tomorrow
19:31 Yellowberry Nerd Torpedo
19:31 PenguinDad Neglectic Turrets
19:32 PenguinDad *Neglected
19:32 Yellowberry Nanoscopic Bananas
19:33 ElectronLibre There isn't even a "T" in that.
19:33 PenguinDad Nanobot Troll
19:33 Yellowberry oops
19:33 Yellowberry I didn't realize
19:34 Yellowberry Nag Tag
19:35 Megaf_ !tell Calinou Is it a bug like this you are having? https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=10673
19:35 MinetestBot Megaf_: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around
19:35 Megaf_ Thanks MinetestBot
19:35 Yellowberry New Turnip
19:36 PenguinDad Notoric Tester
19:36 Yellowberry Nixon's Tricks
19:36 ElectronLibre I think we should ask Calinou what he meant by "MT", it's starting to be very strange seeing people looking for sor N*T* couple of words ._.
19:37 Yellowberry Neurotic Trope
19:37 ElectronLibre *"NT"
19:37 * ElectronLibre tries to find N*T*s
19:37 PenguinDad Newell's Teatime
19:37 Yellowberry Nazi Tie
19:38 PenguinDad Navy Troop
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19:38 Yellowberry I should make a channel for this crap
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19:38 PenguinDad ####findthent :D
19:38 ElectronLibre Does that channel exist? O_o
19:38 Yellowberry ##doubleletters
19:39 Yellowberry join
19:40 * ElectronLibre hopes it won't spread like a joke on the whole network ._.
19:40 Yellowberry it wont
19:40 Yellowberry we will change the letters occasionally
19:40 ElectronLibre Pfiou, great.
19:41 ElectronLibre I was more talking about the "find <letter>* <letter2>* words" more than NT itself.
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19:42 rubenwardy Any suggestions for popular subgames? http://www.minetest.net/subgames
19:45 STHGOM balance is always nice
19:47 STHGOM building is fun too
19:47 STHGOM what do you need suggestions for?
19:51 ack0Rx there is an option to change my skin player?
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19:51 rubenwardy As in, what should be in that list?
19:52 STHGOM ohh ok
19:54 STHGOM idk
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20:09 rubenwardy https://cdn.mediacru.sh/qB16ELNmOgmc.png
20:09 Krock ack0Rx, search a skin mod
20:10 ElectronLibre rubenwardy, what's that game?
20:10 Krock ack0Rx, http://nimg.pf-control.de/M​Tstuff/modSearch.php?q=skin
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20:10 ack0Rx Krock: thank you, I'll
20:11 Krock ..try it.
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20:11 ack0Rx Krock: haha
20:11 rubenwardy A politics/government simulator/rts by me. XD
20:11 rubenwardy HTML5
20:12 Krock rubenwardy, that game is HTML 5?
20:12 rubenwardy Yes
20:12 Krock uuh nice
20:12 * ElectronLibre wants a link!
20:13 * Krock throws a "In developement" sign at ElectronLibre
20:13 * ElectronLibre get the sign right in the face.
20:13 ElectronLibre Ouch, that hurts >.<.
20:14 Krock :P
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20:17 AgentFire Okay, so I'm having a problem with Pipeworks?
20:17 AgentFire What am I supposed to rename the mod folder to, because it won't work
20:17 ElectronLibre pipeworks
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20:18 AgentFire I have it renamed to pipeworks, but it says there is a problem with it
20:19 AgentFire ElectronLibre: Okay, well I found a better source of the problem
20:19 ElectronLibre Ok, can you send a paste with the exact error please?
20:19 AgentFire It's init.lua
20:20 ElectronLibre Of course.
20:20 AgentFire I will in a second
20:21 ElectronLibre But the error can be more deep in the mod.
20:22 AgentFire Uh-oh
20:26 AgentFire ERROR: ModError: Failed to load and run C:\Users\Public\Documents\Documents\Random Stuff\Random Stuff\minetest-0.4.10-win32-msvc\minetes​t-0.4.10\bin\..\mods\pipeworks\init.lua Check debug.txt for details.
20:27 AgentFire That's the exact text ElectronLibre
20:28 ElectronLibre Ok, there are some lines around can you paste them too? (from "===ERROR FROM LUA" to the line of your command line if you can please)
20:28 AgentFire Oh
20:28 AgentFire That would be in the other thing
20:31 AgentFire ========= ERROR FROM LUA =========
20:31 AgentFire Failed to load and run script from C:\...\pipeworks\init.lua
20:31 AgentFire \mods\mesecons\mesecons_mvps\init.lua:24: table index is nil
20:32 AgentFire stack traceback:
20:32 ElectronLibre Ok, it's from mesecons. Have you tried to update it?
20:33 AgentFire I have not, although I thought it was up to date
20:33 catninja http://mimika.se/2014/12/215/ Would you guys want to meet this one in moontest? :D
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20:35 ElectronLibre AgentFire: Try to start the server with mesecons.
20:37 AgentFire ElectronLibre: I was able to run it with everything but Pipeworks
20:38 AgentFire I would honestly almost be fine with giving up Pipeworks, but I kind of need it for Technic
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20:52 AgentFire You there Electron?
20:53 Jordach !tell rubenwardy looks like Civ 5 to me
20:53 MinetestBot Jordach: I'll pass that on when rubenwardy is around
20:54 ElectronLibre I'm still there. I don't see any way you could use pipeworks without mesecons. Try to update/install it at first.
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20:55 AgentFire You mean update Mesecons? Even though it works perfectly fine without Pipeworks right now?
20:55 ElectronLibre Yes, that's the only way I see..
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21:43 catninja https://social.umeahackerspace.se/file/c​atninja-20141202-qvitterupload-h7kx.jpg
21:44 catninja noobcodermistakes
21:44 catninja silly floating text. get it together
21:45 Yellowberry ha
21:45 Yellowberry it looks cool
21:48 catninja yeah but I could not get it to stop x)
21:48 Megaf_ AgentFire: I had this bug long ago
21:48 Megaf_ it was fixed
21:49 crazyR_ is there any way i can turn the tab button into a shortcur for a function?
21:49 Megaf_ AgentFire: make sure you have the latest pipeworks and mesecons
21:49 crazyR_ *shortcut
21:49 AgentFire Okay, I'll doublecheck the mesecons
21:49 AgentFire But I just uploaded Pipeworks
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21:53 Yellowberry oh
21:53 Yellowberry my
21:53 Yellowberry god
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21:54 Yellowberry ONE font included in MS Office is worth more than the suite itself
21:54 Yellowberry Arial Unicode MS costs $330 to buy if you buy it without Office
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