Time  Nick            Message
00:04 Wayward_One     AgentFire: VE-Creative, VE-Survival, Finerealms, and I *think* MG-Nore are the only ones I know of at the moment
00:05 AgentFire       Okay, although don't you need to ask for interact on VE survival?
00:06 Wayward_One     Yes, but I believe there are a few admins available right now
00:07 AgentFire       Alright
00:35 crazyR          any forum admins/moderators online?
00:47 kaeza           crazyR, yes?
00:48 Thenextlevel    wrong chat
00:51 crazyR          kaeza: could your remove this topic for me, id like to start a fresh one, due to how long the server has been down for. https://forum.minetest.net/posting.php?mode=edit&f=10&p=145550
00:52 kaeza           crazyR, sure. if you need to copy anything from it, do so now
00:53 kaeza           or should I trash it right away?
00:53 crazyR          feel free to trash it ive copied what i need :) thanks
00:54 kaeza           okay, done
00:54 kaeza           no probs
01:47 CriminalWater   VanessaE: Can I have interact on your survival server?
01:57 kaeza           CriminalWater, did you already login there? if so, what is your in-game-name?
02:20 CriminalWater   kaeza: I am AgentFire on there
02:24 kaeza           AgentFire, done
02:41 DFeniks         what i need to install to get curl?
02:42 DFeniks         CURL_INCLUDE_DIR = CURL_INCLUDE_DIR-NOTFOUND
02:42 DFeniks         CURL_LIBRARY = CURL_LIBRARY-NOTFOUND
02:42 kaeza           sudo apt-get install libcurl4-gnutls-dev
02:42 DFeniks         CURL_DLL =
02:43 kaeza           or whatever the equivalent for your distro is
02:43 DFeniks         ok i will try
02:56 Ch98            How long is the in game day?
02:56 LazyJ           Default is about a 20 minute cycle.
02:56 LazyJ           Some servers have their day/night cycles set to 12hrs.
02:56 LazyJ           Others may have the cycle stopped to all-time day.
02:57 Ch98            Ok thanks!
02:57 LazyJ           yw ;)
04:56 DFeniks         with nouveau driver on this old card mx 440 textures in inventory look weird
04:58 DFeniks         if i compiled on 10.10 ubuntu i at least can see them but more transparent than needed . but compiled on 14.04 they invisible
04:59 DFeniks         i wonder whats the cause
05:00 DFeniks         different compiler or maybe some library
05:02 DFeniks         ah , i will try to compile with bundled irrlicht
05:04 DFeniks         my mistake its not bundled . but anyway
05:34 DFeniks         oh its only server that i can build without irrlicht ...
05:38 FreeFull        Yeah, the server doesn't need 3D graphics
07:16 MrNomNom111     #minetest-mod
08:21 cg72            https://github.com/crazyginger72/love_mod
09:04 MinetestBot     02[git] 04kwolekr -> 03minetest/minetest: Use setting groups for NoiseParams 1368c799b http://git.io/zFmHBw (152014-12-02T04:03:37-05:00)
13:32 VanessaE        ShadowNinja: ^^^^^^ those need to have an automatic timeout of like 6 hours or something
14:38 paramat         cg72 that's sweet =}
14:38 shadowzone      What?
14:44 VanessaE        [12-02 03:24] <cg72> https://github.com/crazyginger72/love_mod
14:44 VanessaE        maybe this?
14:50 someguy_irc     shadowzone, xD
14:50 shadowzone      OH
14:50 * shadowzone    reads the readme
14:50 shadowzone      O_O]
14:50 someguy_irc     ..
14:50 someguy_irc     :
14:50 someguy_irc     lol
15:01 jalmeida        hi, how to create user to play minetest ?
15:01 VanessaE        you just play.
15:01 VanessaE        minetest doesn't use a central registration site or any such thing
15:02 VanessaE        you just go to the "Singleplayer" tab and create a new world and click "play", or select a server in the "Client" tab and fill in a name and password.  make up a new name and password right then and there if you need to.  remember them.
15:02 jalmeida        but he asks login and pass,
15:03 VanessaE        Minetest does not ask for a login and password for singleplayer use.
15:03 shadowzone      VanessaE: I see the item textures has been removed
15:04 VanessaE        jalmeida: are you trying to play on a server somewhere?
15:04 VanessaE        shadowzone: do what?
15:04 shadowzone      The item textures in recent git
15:04 VanessaE        shadowzone: I don't understand your statement.  Please clarify :)
15:05 jalmeida        no , dont play
15:05 shadowzone      They removed item textures so no more yelling at people to turn it off before join VE-S
15:06 shadowzone      *joining
15:06 VanessaE        jalmeida: then just click on the "Singleplayer" tab at the top of the Minetest window, and then select a world to play in, or create a new one and play there.
15:06 VanessaE        no username/password are needed for this
15:06 jalmeida        the game starts, but you can not do anything
15:06 VanessaE        shadowzone: you mean "preload item visuals"
15:06 shadowzone      Yes
15:07 VanessaE        jalmeida: can you reproduce the problem and take a screenshot of it please?
15:07 jalmeida        yep
15:07 * shadowzone    configures her phones email
15:11 jalmeida        http://ibin.co/1jGEkLyrnaCJ
15:12 jalmeida        http://ibin.co/1jGEy5iB66BH
15:12 shadowzone      oooooohhhh
15:12 shadowzone      You're using a outdated version
15:12 jalmeida        i get the game from ubuntu market
15:12 shadowzone      yeah..
15:13 shadowzone      go to https://www.minetest.net/download
15:13 shadowzone      scroll down and look for downloads for ubuntu/linux mint
15:13 shadowzone      click the very top on
15:13 shadowzone      *one
15:13 VanessaE        oh goodness
15:13 VanessaE        0.3.1?
15:13 shadowzone      XD
15:13 VanessaE        that's ollllllllllllllllllllllllddddddddd
15:14 SergioAD        Hello
15:14 jalmeida        is possible i help developer he ?
15:14 VanessaE        jalmeida: just uninstall minetest from the Ubuntu Store and go get it from minetest.net like shadowzone said.
15:14 SergioAD        I am making my own Minetest game but I have not all the stairs, what can I do?
15:14 shadowzone      or you can compile it
15:14 VanessaE        sebastian: get Calinou's moreblocks
15:15 VanessaE        damn it
15:15 VanessaE        SergioAD: ^^^^^^^^^
15:15 SergioAD        I have the Carbone's ones (yes I am basing mysellf on Carbone) but I have not the default ones
15:15 jalmeida        i have knoleged about developement
15:15 VanessaE        jalmeida: don't worry about development
15:15 VanessaE        jalmeida: get this:  https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable
15:16 VanessaE        uninstall minetest, add that ^^^^^^^ PPA, install minetest.
15:16 VanessaE        you will have 0.4.10 then.
15:16 * shadowzone    installed 0.3.1 for testing
15:16 SergioAD        VanessaE: my game will get some elements from the default game and some others from Carbone
15:16 VanessaE        SergioAD: Carbone IS the default game, with tweaks
15:16 VanessaE        (basically)
15:16 SergioAD        I know it but I have not the default stairs and this is so strange friend :D
15:17 VanessaE        SergioAD: well you can grab the "stairs" mod from minetest_game if it's not already in Carbone
15:17 VanessaE        but I can't say that it'll work or not
15:17 VanessaE        hm
15:17 SergioAD        Ok
15:17 VanessaE        it's already in there
15:17 VanessaE        maybe moreblocks disables the old stairs recipes
15:18 SergioAD        I have removed Moreblocks
15:18 VanessaE        D:
15:18 SergioAD        consumes lots of RAM and we are not sure to get a fluid generation
15:19 SergioAD        sometimes when I used moreblocks the game generation was chaotic
15:19 SergioAD        so I have removed it
15:19 VanessaE        it should not do that
15:19 SergioAD        I think I will use the default stairs mod
15:19 VanessaE        I've never had moreblocks do that, in fact
15:20 SergioAD        VanessaE: 1 GB of RAM here
15:20 VanessaE        that's enough.
15:20 VanessaE        don't try to run Dreambuilder in that, though ;)
15:20 VanessaE        (you'll need about 2GB for that game)
15:22 SergioAD        yes, this is why I do not use Moreblocks
15:24 Megaf_          Hi all
15:24 SergioAD        and I have promesed to release this game soon
15:24 Megaf_          so, I made come new cubes, Id like now to add a frame to them, what line to I add the init.lua?
15:25 SergioAD        Hello Megaf_
15:31 SergioAD        another question wich image name is the chest backgrounds?
15:31 SergioAD        I want turn it back to the transparent black one
15:32 SergioAD        the blue one is a little bit material (and I like material design) but I preffer the default one for more consistencne
15:36 Megaf_          SergioAD: are you talking about more_chests?
15:37 SergioAD        I do not know
15:38 SergioAD        I do not know wich mod uses this blue if is more chests how can I apply it to the others?
15:40 SergioAD        Stairs problem solved :D
16:12 Megaf_          VanessaE: can you see anything wrong in this line? player:get_inventory():add_item('main', "pixels:"..name.."_framed"' 10000')
16:12 exio4           what about that last '
16:13 exio4           and I think that is missing a ,
16:13 exio4           am I wrong?
16:13 Megaf_          its ' 10000'
16:14 exio4           are you still missing a ","?
16:14 Megaf_          This line is correct player:get_inventory():add_item('main', "pixels:"..name' 10000')
16:14 Megaf_          it works without ,
16:15 Megaf_          exio4: VanessaE https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L28
16:16 lulz            how does that even work o.O
16:18 Megaf_          line 33 is the problem
16:19 Megaf_          never mind, I messed something else
16:21 VanessaE        Megaf_: just looks like mismatched quotes, to me
16:21 zatherz         MUSIC TIME! Share whatever you're listening to at the moment or were listening the last time!
16:21 Megaf_          This worked https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/commit/47cbfa7ab9452a753436b1bf2fb957ed1204228f?diff=unified
16:22 VanessaE        your quotes are still mismatched.
16:22 VanessaE        you have ' in some placed and " in others
16:22 VanessaE        use the same thing all the time
16:22 Megaf_          ok
16:22 VanessaE        or at least, in the same sections of code
16:25 Megaf_          Thanks VanessaE, it worked now
16:27 Megaf_          line looks like this now layer:get_inventory():add_item("main", "pixels:"..name.."_framed 10000")
16:28 exio4           I still think that isn't doing what you want it to do
16:30 Megaf_          I will see now
16:33 PenguinDad      zatherz: Ok https://soundcloud.com/robgassermusic/barely-alive-welcome-to-the
16:33 Megaf_          exio4: yep. mot working
16:42 Megaf_          I give up using a table for now
16:42 Megaf_          will write all items by hand
16:53 exio4           Megaf_, aren't you missing a ,?
16:53 exio4           layer:get_inventory():add_item("main", "pixels:"..name.."_framed 10000") → layer:get_inventory():add_item("main", "pixels:"..name.."_framed", 10000)
16:54 Megaf_          I gave up of that idea
16:54 Megaf_          exio4: doing like this now https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L5
16:54 Megaf_          but still not working
16:54 Megaf_          Im not sure where I should put the )
16:55 Megaf_          I got it, i think, lets see
16:56 Megaf_          exio4: finally working
16:56 Megaf_          !up mt.megaf.info
16:56 MinetestBot     mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (2ms)
16:56 PenguinDad      Megaf_: you should remove the comma on this line https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L36
16:57 Megaf_          PenguinDad: I removed it, thanks
17:00 Yellowberry     you know what guys
17:00 Yellowberry     I really like the people in this channel
17:01 Megaf_          So do I Yellowberry
17:01 Yellowberry     anyone who wants to is welcome to join my channel, #yellowberry
17:01 Yellowberry     because I have a feeling that no mean people will join
17:01 Megaf_          exio4: PenguinDad: Now that I have that working, I will try again with a table
17:02 Megaf_          Yellowberry: I have my channel already, and Im the only one there
17:02 Yellowberry     what might that be?
17:03 Megaf_          #Megaf of course
17:04 ElectronLibre   (I think you will be no longer the only one on this channel, you've just given it's name so..)
17:04 Megaf_          ElectronLibre: you are absolutely right
17:04 exio4           wrong namespace Megaf_, should be ##megaf
17:05 ElectronLibre   The first thing a basic people do with a channel name is to join it :D.
17:05 ElectronLibre   ^ Megaf_ , Yellowberry, exio4 is right.
17:05 Megaf_          exio4: is the official channel about me
17:05 Megaf_          I am Open Source
17:06 Yellowberry     and #yellowberry is a project channel, even though it is named after me
17:06 Megaf_          everybody can have access to human DNA
17:06 Megaf_          you can have access to my DNA, if you pay for it... because I have no resources...
17:06 exio4           privacy reasons
17:07 exio4           because you can have access doesn't mean you can take it as free software
17:07 exio4           there are lots of available-source-code software that isn't opensource nor freesoft
17:07 exio4           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzN4Ep5Jkgk
17:08 exio4           siento todo ireal, cuando es con vos ~
17:08 twoelk          Megaf_: is there allready a thread for your game?
17:09 Megaf_          twoelk: nope, its not stable
17:09 twoelk          mh, maybe I should still add it to the wiki list
17:10 Megaf_          twoelk: not yet please
17:10 twoelk          :-(
17:10 Megaf_          twoelk: the main component of the game is not added to it yet
17:10 Megaf_          that is the pixels
17:10 kattsmisk       is 18.10 too late to make coffee
17:10 exio4           it is always too late
17:10 kattsmisk       and is the OldCoder awake?
17:10 twoelk          oh, sorry didn't look at it in detail yet
17:10 exio4           pepsi/cocacola > coffe
17:10 exio4           e
17:10 * Yellowberry   prepares to GTFOf
17:10 kattsmisk       exio4: now you ruined my day :C
17:11 Megaf_          twoelk: if you help, it will get ready quicker. I need to built in some kind of areas protection in it
17:11 PenguinDad      exio4++
17:11 Megaf_          on default/init.lua
17:11 exio4           \o/ PenguinDad
17:11 * twoelk        wonders what a pixelgame without pixels might look like
17:11 exio4           someone who shares my addictions?
17:11 Megaf_          I have built it on it give initial stuff and sethome aready
17:11 Megaf_          and legacy and mapgen
17:11 Yellowberry     twoelk: very transparent
17:12 twoelk          lol
17:13 OldCoder        Jo
17:13 OldCoder        kattsmisk, ?
17:13 PenguinDad      rdach
17:13 PenguinDad      :P
17:16 Yellowberry     PenguinDad: hi!
17:17 exio4           http://i.imgur.com/41511go.jpg PenguinDad :3
17:17 exio4           also, the eval function, http://i.imgur.com/we5aDbI.jpg
17:19 * twoelk        fires up pixelgame and joins - hm - pretty dark - 2 minutes later - woa, here comes mapgen
17:21 twoelk          Megaf: strange mapgen, many plateaus and rectangular lines/dikes
17:22 Jordach         BFD with MGV5 :P
17:22 PenguinDad      exio4: pls2use a better font :3
17:22 Megaf_          exio4: it works now https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L24
17:22 exio4           PenguinDad, >_>
17:22 Megaf_          exio4: yep, Im working on the mapgen
17:23 Megaf_          twoelk: here you can have an idea about the game
17:23 Megaf_          !up mt.megaf.info
17:23 MinetestBot     mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (2ms)
17:23 exio4           2ms...
17:23 exio4           sure!
17:24 * ElectronLibre have definitively decided to give a chance to this : http://learnyouahaskell.com/introduction
17:24 exio4           :D
17:24 Yellowberry     harhar http://puu.sh/decWj/8af80f001d.jpg
17:25 exio4           I recommend you https://github.com/bitemyapp/learnhaskell ElectronLibre
17:25 * Megaf_        waits for people to join his test server
17:25 PenguinDad      Yellowberry: nice one :D
17:25 Yellowberry     yeah
17:26 twoelk          Megaf, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/A2zpJ0BusA98.png
17:26 * ElectronLibre catches exio4's link and add it to his bookmarks.
17:26 Megaf_          twoelk: crazy isnt it?
17:27 twoelk          is that when mudflow/biomblend is missing?
17:27 Megaf_          no idea
17:28 Megaf_          currentely mapgen v6 is being used
17:28 Calinou         Carbone disables both biome blend and mud flow
17:28 Calinou         (faster, biome blend sometimes looks bad, mud flow is superfluous)
17:28 Megaf_          twoelk: problem is, I have removed all nodes/tools but dirt_with_grass
17:29 twoelk          the dark blotches are transparent trees it seems
17:29 Megaf_          Calinou: How do I define in my gave the mapgen to be used and other params? add a minetest.conf to it?
17:30 Calinou         minetest.conf, yes
17:30 Calinou         will only affect new worlds created with it
17:30 Calinou         you can add any setting to it, as long as they are server-side
17:30 Calinou         take a look at Carbone's minetest.conf
17:30 exio4           Calinou, listen to Rata Blanca songs
17:31 twoelk          an invisible forest https://cdn.mediacru.sh/saANZjcJ7GC8.png
17:31 Calinou         https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone/source/HEAD:minetest.conf
17:32 exio4           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjU1dNkLnYA
17:33 exio4           !title
17:33 MinetestBot     exio4: Rata Blanca-La leyenda del Hada y el Mago - YouTube
17:34 jalmeida        what is libleveldb1 ???
17:35 ElectronLibre   A library I think, which is needed to use leveldb I suppose.
17:35 Calinou         jalmeida, a library to use LevelDB, a database system which can be used to host Minetest worlds
17:35 Calinou         SQLite is the default; Redis is another choice (works in client-server way)
17:36 jalmeida        show this massage depndency in  instalation
17:37 jalmeida        * message dependence
17:37 zatherz         oh Debian and it's style of naming things
17:37 zatherz         "libleveldb1"
17:37 zatherz         like "libleveldb" is just not enough
17:37 jalmeida        how to install this dependency ?
17:37 zatherz         MASSAGE DEPENDENCY hahahaha
17:37 twoelk          Megaf_: cannot connect to port 30000
17:37 Calinou         sudo apt install libleveldb1
17:37 Calinou         on older systems: sudo apt-get install libleveldb1
17:38 Calinou         you type this in a terminal, then input your password, then accept by pressing [Enter]
17:38 exio4           dat solo
17:38 jalmeida        nice thanks
17:38 Megaf_          twoelk: you took too long
17:38 Megaf_          I will start it again soon
17:39 ElectronLibre   Calinou: What, there is a command called "apt" instead of "apt-get"?
17:39 twoelk          ok no problem
17:39 Calinou         as of Ubuntu 14.04/April 2014 for Debian Testing/Sid, yes.
17:39 Megaf_          jalmeida: in cmake add -DENABLE_LEVELDB=0
17:39 Calinou         it features: simpler usage (apt update, apt install, apt full-upgrade), progress bars, colours…
17:39 Calinou         use it!
17:40 ElectronLibre   *O*
17:40 Megaf_          Calinou: are you serious?
17:40 Calinou         yes
17:40 * ElectronLibre runs to his laptop and open a terminal window.
17:40 Megaf_          lol
17:40 Calinou         http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=apt
17:40 Calinou         https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=apt
17:40 Megaf_          just tried on my Debian machine
17:40 Megaf_          so colorful
17:40 Megaf_          lol
17:41 Calinou         the bottom line is yellow, progress bar is on green background
17:41 Calinou         apt edit-sources ⇒ shortcut to edit sources file
17:41 Calinou         beware, no tab completion when using apt command… only apt-get and apt-cache have it :(
17:41 exio4           Calinou, → ftw
17:42 PenguinDad      Calinou: aptitude has tab completion too
17:48 * ElectronLibre has drown in the beautiful colored progess bar of apt full-update command *-*
17:48 Calinou         full-upgrade*
17:48 exio4           I haven't used "apt"
17:48 exio4           my fingers already have apt-xxx yyy memorized
17:49 Megaf_          Calinou: I think it didnt work https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/tree/master
17:49 Megaf_          whats wrong with my minetest.conf?
17:50 ElectronLibre   exio4: Me too, so when I typed "apt" my finger was on the "-" key.. Let's accustom to it.
17:50 exio4           I can write "apt-get install" in like, a second and half
17:50 exio4           and "apt" alone in a second and half
17:51 exio4           because I am already too used to apt-get install :P
17:51 crazyR_         hmm it would be a really cool thing if each player had a folder, then all mods stored player info within the players folder... that way deleting a player would be as simple as deleting the folder
17:51 ElectronLibre   1sec and a little bit more to me..
17:52 Megaf_          crazyR_: Thats possible, if all modders store things in the same folder
17:52 Megaf_          and this way mods could share stuff
17:53 crazyR_         maybe its worth finding a way to encourage modders to do this
17:55 crazyR_         eg       world->players->[playername]->mod.txt
17:55 crazyR_         eg       world->players->[playername]->[modname].txt
17:57 Megaf_          twoelk: can you try to join now please?
17:57 Megaf_          !up mt.megaf.info
17:57 MinetestBot     mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (2ms)
17:58 Yellowberry     exio4: same for me with "pacaur -S"
17:58 twoelk          opps answered on wrong channel, give me a sec
17:58 exio4           pacaur? wat
17:58 Yellowberry     arch
17:58 Yellowberry     :D
17:58 exio4           what happened with pacman, and yogurt
17:58 Megaf_          twoelk: And my game is stable now, and the server is almost stable
17:58 zatherz         exio4: ummm
17:58 zatherz         exio4: pacman is the package manager Arch uses
17:58 Megaf_          all I need is a simple proptection system
17:58 zatherz         exio4: yaourt is an AUR helper
17:59 zatherz         exio4: and so is pacaur
17:59 Yellowberry     its an external package manager
17:59 Yellowberry     yeah
17:59 zatherz         Yellowberry: nope
17:59 Yellowberry     exsaclty
17:59 zatherz         Yellowberry: it's an AUR helper
17:59 exio4           so, the new cool aur helper
17:59 zatherz         Yellowberry: and pacman wrapper
17:59 exio4           replacement of yogurt = pacaur
17:59 Yellowberry     some people swear be the other one
17:59 Yellowberry     but I like pacaur
17:59 zatherz         I prefer cower + makepkg
17:59 exio4           I prefer a decent distro
18:00 zatherz         exio4: >Debian-based
18:00 zatherz         exio4: >decent
18:00 zatherz         exio4: u wot m8
18:00 exio4           gentoo
18:00 exio4           debian is neat though
18:00 exio4           how is debian not decent?
18:00 zatherz         neat until you see it pull fucking 700 MB of packages when installing lxde
18:01 Calinou         you installed it wrong
18:01 zatherz         including Xorg and every. single. whopping X driver
18:01 exio4           don't install recommended packages
18:01 exio4           also, gentoo
18:01 Calinou         --no-install-recommends is your friend if you want to be light
18:01 exio4           gentoo does "minimalism" right
18:01 Calinou         exio4, it's yaourt, not yoghurt
18:01 Calinou         (French for yoghurt)
18:01 zatherz         exio4: so does Arch when set up right
18:01 exio4           archlinux looks bloated as fuck compared to Gentoo
18:01 zatherz         exio4: Gentoo is good too
18:01 Calinou         the point of Debian is not to be minimal
18:01 zatherz         exio4: lol
18:01 exio4           Calinou, I know
18:01 zatherz         exio4: Gentoo looks bloated as fuck compared to LFS
18:02 ElectronLibre   Calinou: And stable if I remember correctly.
18:02 exio4           zatherz, all the people saying "Archlinux is awesome, I am still so little packages for having a working system", end installing 400 packages more than they would do in Debian, and half of those are git unofficial packages which break every month
18:02 zatherz         exio4: yes yes
18:02 exio4           zatherz, Gentoo does that part right
18:02 zatherz         exio4: where did you hear that?
18:02 zatherz         exio4: from fuck-arch-linux.gentoo.org?
18:03 exio4           zatherz, I suffered from it, my _Intel_ gpu didn't work in archlinux as it could
18:03 exio4           you know why? a bunch of blending-edge packages that didn't work together in half the hardware you ran it
18:03 zatherz         exio4: >flaming on the fact Arch is bleeding edge
18:03 zatherz         exio4: >using gentoo
18:03 zatherz         exio4: seems legit
18:03 exio4           Gentoo doesn't fuck up
18:04 exio4           at least the years I used it, it didn't fuck up like Arch did
18:04 exio4           and it allowed me to really tweak my system
18:04 zatherz         exio4: you seem like a type of a humping troll flaming "ermeghert guise mah distroz bettah!111!!!!!!"
18:04 exio4           zatherz, ad hominem
18:05 zatherz         exio4: at least I don't have to spend 100000 hours on every package to compile, but I could if I wanted to ;)
18:05 exio4           I flame against the fact that it is "last version of everything", but half the stuff doesn't work
18:05 Calinou         ElectronLibre, stable is stable as in “not changing”, not as in “not broken”
18:05 exio4           zatherz, it is a tradeoff
18:05 Calinou         Testing may also be stable (as in not broken), but not as in not changing
18:05 zatherz         exio4: "half the stuff does not work" if you are unable to use /dev/brain ;)
18:05 exio4           using debian stable as host, debian sid as guest here
18:06 exio4           zatherz, ad hominem again
18:06 exio4           zatherz, it is really nice to see you're so intelligent btw
18:06 Calinou         I like last versions
18:07 zatherz         exio4: if you install whopping every -git package form AUR then expect your system to break
18:07 exio4           so do I, they aren't nice when your shitty IGP can't even run glxgears at more than 20 FPS
18:07 zatherz         *from
18:07 Calinou         I like how Arch doesn't separate -dev packages from normal ones, this reduces package list length by a lot
18:07 exio4           zatherz, in all debians, and _gentoo_ (with _nearly_ the same packages), I had a working distro, I had to compile my own kernel and hack the framebuffer X11 driver to get decent speeds in anything that was accelerated
18:08 zatherz         exio4: and...?
18:08 zatherz         exio4: I don't know what would stop you from compiling your own kernel or hacking the fb X11 driver in Arch
18:08 exio4           zatherz, archlinux's solution was 1) waiting, 2) downgrading, 3) compiling X11 from myself
18:08 zatherz         exio4: ehem
18:08 zatherz         exio4: interesting
18:08 exio4           that is like saying "I don't use gentoo because I have to compile, but compiling is nice in Archlinux"
18:08 zatherz         exio4: interesting why you didn't just compile the kernel
18:09 exio4           I did
18:09 zatherz         and hack the fb X11 driver on Arch as well
18:09 exio4           it didn't change anything, it only made the fb driver stop crashing but still sucked
18:09 exio4           that is what I did in Archlinux
18:09 Jordach         D:
18:09 zatherz         if you had an exact same setup with the exact configs and one was different
18:09 zatherz         then you're telling fairy tales
18:11 exio4           "hey dude, I had this working after 2 days, 47 hours were compiling KDE, Xorg, the kernel, firefox, libreoffice, and everything, but it worked, and was really minimal" and "I had this system working after 2 days, I spent 30 hours searching and hacking stuff until I got it, and then spent 10 hours compiling the fixed stuff"
18:11 zatherz         ummm
18:11 zatherz         ehem
18:11 exio4           gentoo was really easy to setup, with kinda new versions
18:12 zatherz         I didn't knew compiling Linux stuff on Gentoo was different than compiling Linux stuff on Arch
18:12 zatherz         thanks for informing me though
18:12 exio4           gentoo makes it easy
18:12 zatherz         [yes, that's sarcasm]
18:12 exio4           the quality of archlinux's packages is kinda sucky
18:12 zatherz         exio4: as in...?
18:12 exio4           zatherz, have you used emerge? and hacked with ebuilds?
18:13 exio4           they are like your shiny aur packages, but decent and powerful
18:13 zatherz         exio4: and now by saying "AUR packages" I'm sure you never user Arch or used it for not too much
18:13 zatherz         *used
18:14 exio4           I don't remember the name of pkgsomething
18:14 zatherz         exio4: heard about ABS?
18:14 exio4           it was pkgscript
18:14 exio4           or pkgbuild, or something like that
18:14 exio4           yes zatherz
18:14 exio4           they're basically pkgsomethings for the core packages
18:14 exio4           I haven't used it the last years
18:15 exio4           maybe what I am saying is mostly BS and Archlinux suffered a rewrite from scratch and it doesn't suck as it did
18:15 zatherz         exio4: what you said before makes ("hey dude [...]") no sense
18:16 exio4           english isn't my native language, but I find it kinda easy to read, what do you mean?
18:16 zatherz         exio4: 1. how worse is compiling something 10 hours instead of 47 hours and about "30 hours searching and hacking stuff", if it worked on the other one, why don't you take the version they used there?
18:17 zatherz         exio4: if it worked on one and didn't work on the other one, then for sure one of them had to change something, right?
18:17 exio4           zatherz, it wasn't a change, it was mixing stuff up, after a few versions that bug got fixed
18:17 zatherz         exio4: or it was the problem of the building environment and thus the user
18:17 zatherz         exio4: "mixing stuff up"?
18:17 zatherz         exio4: as in whaT?
18:17 zatherz         *what?
18:17 exio4           zatherz, mesa / x11 / kernel drivers
18:18 exio4           "last versions" don't mean "awesomeness", they mean "not so well tested stuff", most of the time they work, when they don't, you are fucked
18:18 zatherz         exio4: then if you are "mixing stuff up" it's certainly not the distro's problem?
18:18 exio4           zatherz, I had to mix more stuff to get it working, the official mesa libraries were too new
18:18 zatherz         exio4: hate to burst your bubble, but Gentoo is rolling too
18:19 exio4           zatherz, gentoo doesn't allow you to fuck up so easily
18:19 zatherz         exio4: how so?
18:19 zatherz         exio4: does it use the magic of fairies to do that?
18:19 rubenwardy      Oh yay, flamewar
18:20 rubenwardy      !ban *@*
18:20 exio4           kinda like that, it is called having decent ebuilds
18:20 zatherz         exio4: it is called having decent pkgbuilds
18:20 exio4           something that isn't available in Archlinu
18:20 exio4           x
18:21 ElectronLibre   rubenwardy, is *@* a smiley you want to ban :D?
18:21 zatherz         exio4: installing AUR packages left and right is not the problem of Arch
18:21 rubenwardy      XD. It bans everyone.
18:21 exio4           zatherz, I had the problem with official packages
18:21 zatherz         exio4: when?
18:21 exio4           zatherz, the solution _all_ the people had, were aur packages
18:22 zatherz         exio4: I asked you when that was?
18:22 exio4           oh, I think it was like end of 2012 or 2011
18:22 zatherz         then we are talking about different times man
18:22 zatherz         I'm talking about present Arch
18:23 zatherz         did not have a single breakage that wasn't caused by me
18:23 exio4           what I have been saying is what archlinux says
18:23 zatherz         ?
18:23 exio4           "archlinux is beautiful, minimal, and kinda a tradeoff between gentoo and debian, it breaks a little bit every month, and needs a bit more of care, but it is totally worth it"
18:23 exio4           (not in thoe words, but, you get it)
18:23 exio4           those*
18:24 zatherz         I agree that it needs more care and the breaks relate to how much care you put in it
18:25 exio4           gentoo, archlinux, debian, some care, lots of care, some care, source, binary, binary
18:25 zatherz         but it aims to be a minimalistic generally-binary-based distro and it does this right
18:25 Wayward_One     does anyone know what could be causing random fps drops on my client? it freezes for a few seconds at a time frequently
18:25 zatherz         Gentoo does being a minimalistic source-based distro right as well
18:25 exio4           gentoo needed some initial care but after it, for the whole year, didn't need _that_ much, outside the few first weeks where I tested different flags :P
18:27 Krock           hi.
18:27 exio4           \o
18:27 zatherz         Krock: o/
18:27 exio4           zatherz, how long have you been using arch btw
18:27 * Krock         wonders who zatherz is
18:30 zatherz         for not really much time
18:30 exio4           I really loved arch the first six months I used it, and I didn't mind the extra care it needed
18:33 * sfan5         ack exio4
19:09 FreeFull        I have NixOS in a VM and it seems nice
19:13 Yellowberry     I use arch too
19:16 PenguinDad      I use linux too! :P
19:16 Krock           I don't use linux!
19:17 Calinou         “I use NT and Linux”
19:18 Krock           NT is only a New Technology
19:19 PenguinDad      No Trap, Negative Term...
19:19 Krock           No Toxic
19:19 Hobodium        Neo Tokyo
19:19 Yellowberry     Nerd Trap
19:20 PenguinDad      Nautic Ton
19:20 Hobodium        Nuptial Trade
19:21 Krock           Nervous Team
19:21 Yellowberry     No Train
19:21 Yellowberry     Nope Train
19:21 Yellowberry     lel
19:21 Yellowberry     such 4han
19:22 PenguinDad      No Triggers
19:22 Yellowberry     No Turtles
19:23 VanessaE        without turtles, won't the world collapse?
19:23 Yellowberry     true
19:23 Yellowberry     because of the turtles of time
19:24 Yellowberry     Not Tetris
19:24 Yellowberry     oh snap
19:24 Yellowberry     such product placment
19:25 PenguinDad      Nitro Tour
19:25 Yellowberry     Naughty Terminals
19:26 ElectronLibre   VanessaE: I think it could, like when you launch minetest --disable-unittests
19:26 Yellowberry     Nordic Tomatoes
19:27 PenguinDad      Noseless Time
19:27 ElectronLibre   N* T* <= An easy way to type all the possibilities.
19:28 Yellowberry     lol
19:28 Yellowberry     Nozzle Transmission
19:28 PenguinDad      Note Transponder
19:29 Yellowberry     Nice Train
19:29 PenguinDad      Noobish Trainer
19:30 Yellowberry     No Torrenting
19:30 PenguinDad      ElectronLibre: sorry but that's not the regex you're searching for :P
19:30 ElectronLibre   No Thanks.
19:31 PenguinDad      Need Tomorrow
19:31 Yellowberry     Nerd Torpedo
19:31 PenguinDad      Neglectic Turrets
19:32 PenguinDad      *Neglected
19:32 Yellowberry     Nanoscopic Bananas
19:33 ElectronLibre   There isn't even a "T" in that.
19:33 PenguinDad      Nanobot Troll
19:33 Yellowberry     oops
19:33 Yellowberry     I didn't realize
19:34 Yellowberry     Nag Tag
19:35 Megaf_          !tell Calinou Is it a bug like this you are having? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10673
19:35 MinetestBot     Megaf_: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around
19:35 Megaf_          Thanks MinetestBot
19:35 Yellowberry     New Turnip
19:36 PenguinDad      Notoric Tester
19:36 Yellowberry     Nixon's Tricks
19:36 ElectronLibre   I think we should ask Calinou what he meant by "MT", it's starting to be very strange seeing people looking for sor N*T* couple of words ._.
19:37 Yellowberry     Neurotic Trope
19:37 ElectronLibre   *"NT"
19:37 * ElectronLibre tries to find N*T*s
19:37 PenguinDad      Newell's Teatime
19:37 Yellowberry     Nazi Tie
19:38 PenguinDad      Navy Troop
19:38 Yellowberry     I should make a channel for this crap
19:38 PenguinDad      ####findthent :D
19:38 ElectronLibre   Does that channel exist? O_o
19:38 Yellowberry     ##doubleletters
19:39 Yellowberry     join
19:40 * ElectronLibre hopes it won't spread like a joke on the whole network ._.
19:40 Yellowberry     it wont
19:40 Yellowberry     we will change the letters occasionally
19:40 ElectronLibre   Pfiou, great.
19:41 ElectronLibre   I was more talking about the "find <letter>* <letter2>* words" more than NT itself.
19:42 rubenwardy      Any suggestions for popular subgames? http://www.minetest.net/subgames
19:45 STHGOM          balance is always nice
19:47 STHGOM          building is fun too
19:47 STHGOM          what do you need suggestions for?
19:51 ack0Rx          there is an option to change my skin player?
19:51 rubenwardy      As in, what should be in that list?
19:52 STHGOM          ohh ok
19:54 STHGOM          idk
20:09 rubenwardy      https://cdn.mediacru.sh/qB16ELNmOgmc.png
20:09 Krock           ack0Rx, search a skin mod
20:10 ElectronLibre   rubenwardy, what's that game?
20:10 Krock           ack0Rx, http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/modSearch.php?q=skin
20:10 ack0Rx          Krock: thank you, I'll
20:11 Krock           ..try it.
20:11 ack0Rx          Krock: haha
20:11 rubenwardy      A politics/government simulator/rts by me. XD
20:11 rubenwardy      HTML5
20:12 Krock           rubenwardy, that game is HTML 5?
20:12 rubenwardy      Yes
20:12 Krock           uuh nice
20:12 * ElectronLibre wants a link!
20:13 * Krock         throws a "In developement" sign at ElectronLibre
20:13 * ElectronLibre get the sign right in the face.
20:13 ElectronLibre   Ouch, that hurts >.<.
20:14 Krock           :P
20:17 AgentFire       Okay, so I'm having a problem with Pipeworks?
20:17 AgentFire       What am I supposed to rename the mod folder to, because it won't work
20:17 ElectronLibre   pipeworks
20:18 AgentFire       I have it renamed to pipeworks, but it says there is a problem with it
20:19 AgentFire       ElectronLibre: Okay, well I found a better source of the problem
20:19 ElectronLibre   Ok, can you send a paste with the exact error please?
20:19 AgentFire       It's init.lua
20:20 ElectronLibre   Of course.
20:20 AgentFire       I will in a second
20:21 ElectronLibre   But the error can be more deep in the mod.
20:22 AgentFire       Uh-oh
20:26 AgentFire       ERROR: ModError: Failed to load and run C:\Users\Public\Documents\Documents\Random Stuff\Random Stuff\minetest-0.4.10-win32-msvc\minetest-0.4.10\bin\..\mods\pipeworks\init.lua Check debug.txt for details.
20:27 AgentFire       That's the exact text ElectronLibre
20:28 ElectronLibre   Ok, there are some lines around can you paste them too? (from "===ERROR FROM LUA" to the line of your command line if you can please)
20:28 AgentFire       Oh
20:28 AgentFire       That would be in the other thing
20:31 AgentFire       ========= ERROR FROM LUA =========
20:31 AgentFire       Failed to load and run script from C:\...\pipeworks\init.lua
20:31 AgentFire       \mods\mesecons\mesecons_mvps\init.lua:24: table index is nil
20:32 AgentFire       stack traceback:
20:32 ElectronLibre   Ok, it's from mesecons. Have you tried to update it?
20:33 AgentFire       I have not, although I thought it was up to date
20:33 catninja        http://mimika.se/2014/12/215/ Would you guys want to meet this one in moontest? :D
20:35 ElectronLibre   AgentFire: Try to start the server with mesecons.
20:37 AgentFire       ElectronLibre: I was able to run it with everything but Pipeworks
20:38 AgentFire       I would honestly almost be fine with giving up Pipeworks, but I kind of need it for Technic
20:52 AgentFire       You there Electron?
20:53 Jordach         !tell rubenwardy looks like Civ 5 to me
20:53 MinetestBot     Jordach: I'll pass that on when rubenwardy is around
20:54 ElectronLibre   I'm still there. I don't see any way you could use pipeworks without mesecons. Try to update/install it at first.
20:55 AgentFire       You mean update Mesecons? Even though it works perfectly fine without Pipeworks right now?
20:55 ElectronLibre   Yes, that's the only way I see..
21:43 catninja        https://social.umeahackerspace.se/file/catninja-20141202-qvitterupload-h7kx.jpg
21:44 catninja        noobcodermistakes
21:44 catninja        silly floating text. get it together
21:45 Yellowberry     ha
21:45 Yellowberry     it looks cool
21:48 catninja        yeah but I could not get it to stop x)
21:48 Megaf_          AgentFire: I had this bug long ago
21:48 Megaf_          it was fixed
21:49 crazyR_         is there any way i can turn the tab button into a shortcur for a function?
21:49 Megaf_          AgentFire: make sure you have the latest pipeworks and mesecons
21:49 crazyR_         *shortcut
21:49 AgentFire       Okay, I'll doublecheck the mesecons
21:49 AgentFire       But I just uploaded Pipeworks
21:53 Yellowberry     oh
21:53 Yellowberry     my
21:53 Yellowberry     god
21:54 Yellowberry     ONE font included in MS Office is worth more than the suite itself
21:54 Yellowberry     Arial Unicode MS costs $330 to buy if you buy it without Office