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00:02 LemonLake local vm, emin, emax = VoxelManip()
00:02 LemonLake That's correct, right?
00:03 ShadowNinja LemonLake: Nope.  You have to load a area, it isn't preloaded.
00:03 LemonLake That probably explains it.
00:03 ShadowNinja (So, no emin/emax)
00:04 LemonLake Forceload?
00:04 LemonLake Ah
00:06 LemonLake Had to update_map :P
00:07 LemonLake http://i.imgur.com/D0BqRTJ.png Getting somewhere!
00:15 LemonLake Now nothing generates at all
00:15 LemonLake ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
00:16 LemonLake It's a size thing; if the chunk is too big it just doesn't do anything
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00:18 ShadowNinja LemonLake: By the look of it looking at hungry_games will be helpfull.  :-)
00:18 ShadowNinja LemonLake: It uses a dome to keep players in.
00:20 ShadowNinja Note: I haven't looked at hungry_games' code, it may be horrendous.
00:20 LemonLake It's not that bad, actually.
00:21 LemonLake I think I understand how it does it.,
00:22 LemonLake All it does is place a glass dome.
00:23 LemonLake In an existing world
00:27 Megaf VanessaE; it would be great if mesecons connected like shingles, I mean, in diagonal instead of steps
00:29 LemonLake Aaaaaaaaargh I'm getting so annoyed at this
00:31 VanessaE they used to, Megaf
00:31 VanessaE it was decided that this looked like crap
00:31 Megaf did they?
00:31 Megaf oh well
00:32 VanessaE raillike draw type.  they don't anymore because they can't bend around corners when doing that
00:33 LemonLake Oh.
00:33 LemonLake I fixed it.
00:33 LemonLake Somehow.
00:36 Megaf VanessaE; I disagree
00:36 Megaf its just a matter of changing it a bit
00:36 VanessaE wrong.
00:37 VanessaE the raillike draw type cannot bend around a corner as it descends a staircase
00:37 VanessaE and it cannot join a crossing in mid-descent either
00:37 VanessaE visibly that is
00:37 VanessaE those require changes in the engine (client-side)
00:37 Megaf or maybe there could be the two ways, one way when there is a node under the wire and another mode where the wire is in the air
00:37 VanessaE that's why we stopped using it.
00:38 VanessaE we're not changing it back to raillike, it looks like crap
00:38 Megaf so it would be just a matter of adding a check
00:38 VanessaE it's NOT a matter of "adding a check"
00:38 Megaf could be done at the same time it checks if the wire is connected
00:38 VanessaE it requires a whole new drawtype in the client
00:38 VanessaE it cannot be done G*d damn t
00:38 VanessaE it
00:38 Megaf you dont get me
00:38 VanessaE this is beyond the ability of the mod
00:39 VanessaE IT CANNOT BE DONE IN A MOD.
00:39 VanessaE PERIOD.
00:39 LemonLake shh shh shh calm down everyone
00:39 VanessaE this is why we change it to use nodeboxes.
00:39 Megaf VanessaE; Are you ok?
00:39 VanessaE they're flexible enough to go everywhere.
00:39 LemonLake probably just annoyed at the limitations in the lua api
00:39 * Megaf is not really ok
00:39 VanessaE yes, I'm perfectly fine - I'm trying to stop you from going off on yet another ..ahem.. rail like you always do
00:40 Megaf let me put in other words
00:40 LemonLake {"other words", "other words", "other words"}
00:40 LemonLake need more?
00:41 LemonLake I suppose you can't change the message on the world loading bar, can you?
00:41 VanessaE megaf, the limitations of the raillike drawtype prevent anything you want to do.
00:41 VanessaE there are no other words to use here
00:41 VanessaE it.  cannot.  be.  done.
00:41 VanessaE it.  requires.  a.  new.  drawtype.
00:41 LemonLake eww game editing
00:41 VanessaE and since we don't have one, we use nodeboxes.
00:41 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/101771/
00:42 VanessaE soon, a new drawtype may be added, called "wirelike" but it will look about like mesecons do now.
00:42 VanessaE Megaf:  that is not possible either because of limitations in how the raillike draw type works.
00:42 VanessaE been there, done that, still have the headaches from designing the textures for it.
00:43 Megaf ok
00:43 Megaf so really we still can't have wires
00:44 LemonLake ShadowNinja, what's the best way to only generate the world once?
00:45 VanessaE we can have wires but we can't have them the way you want
00:45 VanessaE not without a new drawtype.
00:46 VanessaE and I can guarantee you that a new drawtype will probably NOT be added that does that
00:46 Megaf ok
00:47 LemonLake It would be difficult enough making one in the first place
00:47 VanessaE no
00:47 VanessaE because it generally breaks the blocky/square-ish idea of the engine/game
00:47 VanessaE there's a lot of resistance to that
00:47 VanessaE square-cross-section wires still fit
00:47 LemonLake Either way, does anyone know the best way to only call a function once in a world?
00:48 VanessaE LemonLake: minetest.after() maybe
00:48 VanessaE depends on why you're calling it
00:48 topcyde How to craft a lasso isn't on the wiki nor can I find it on either of the forums. can someone remind me how?  I thought it was string in a diamond pattern but that didn't work.
00:48 VanessaE topcyde: a lasso?
00:48 topcyde yeh, i gots to round up my sheeps
00:48 VanessaE for what purpose?  sounds like something from mobf?
00:48 VanessaE or simple mobs?
00:48 LemonLake I've  just gotten my generator working thanks to ShadowNinja
00:49 topcyde it is but not on th emobf discussion in the forum
00:49 LemonLake Basically, I'm only going to generate the first few blocks of a world, and no more. That works, I'm doing that after 0.6 on mapgen_init
00:49 LemonLake But, this is being called every run. That's not what I need.
00:49 LemonLake I'm also going to save a schematic of the world on the first run, then load it every round restart.
00:50 VanessaE lemme check, topcyde
00:50 LemonLake Some sort of text file that gets created?
00:50 LemonLake Actually, if I just check if there's a schematic. If there is, don't bother generating then just load it.
00:50 VanessaE ah, there it is
00:50 LemonLake Will that work?
00:51 VanessaE white wool, put four in a diamondpattern
00:51 VanessaE - W -
00:51 VanessaE W - W
00:51 VanessaE - W -
00:51 VanessaE (not string but wool blocks)
00:51 topcyde doh!
00:52 topcyde got a link for that page? or were you looking at the source?
00:52 VanessaE topcyde: I checked the sources
00:52 VanessaE https://github.com/sapier/animals_mo​dpack/blob/90e5a6580ed4b479d545ad675​1a9b31d9659c7ab/mobf/init.lua#L116
00:52 topcyde how do you do that?
00:53 VanessaE LemonLake: I guess that'll work
00:53 VanessaE you'll just have to try :)
00:53 LemonLake Okay, thanks
00:53 LemonLake It's time to confuse myself :D
00:53 VanessaE topcyde: virtually all Minetest mods are open source and most have a free/permissible license
00:54 topcyde VanessaE: thanks because next i need to figure out how to build a rope box again.  It's been 3-4 months since ive played and I can't remember how to do anything
00:54 VanessaE (in fact I've never seen one that wasn't open source, and only one or two authors who got stupid with their licenses, so think 99.5% FOSS)
00:54 VanessaE rope box..hm
00:54 VanessaE the vines mod one?
00:54 topcyde yes
00:55 VanessaE looks like a wood block and two vines below it, in a column
00:55 VanessaE https://github.com/bas080/vin​es/blob/master/init.lua#L281
00:55 VanessaE you'll have to craft some shears to cut and collect said vines:
00:55 VanessaE https://github.com/bas080/vin​es/blob/master/init.lua#L352
00:57 LemonLake VanessaE, seen tldrlegal.com?
00:57 LemonLake If so, what do you think of it?
00:57 topcyde you have to use shears to collect vines
00:57 topcyde I missed that note before
00:58 Vazon VanessaE is there a reason the rotten vines and regular vines look the exact same?
00:59 VanessaE Vazon: dunno, ask bas080 :)
00:59 Vazon lol ok
00:59 VanessaE LemonLake: never seen it
00:59 LemonLake Just going around asking if it's reliable
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01:02 VanessaE Vazon: use HDX, there the rotten vines are quite distinct from the "fresh" ones :)
01:03 Vazon VanessaE, i have updated my darkage mod and redid the stairs part of it and added a moreblocks to update it. I dont think the creator of the mod is still around, os i dont know what to do
01:03 Vazon Ok i will look there
01:07 Vazon o btw i fixed the selection box on the ladder and the rongs are 2 each and its even now, i just need the textures
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01:11 Megaf !seen asie
01:11 MinetestBot Megaf: asie was last seen at 2014-05-25 20:35:11 UTC on #minetest
01:11 LemonLake My biggest fear while working on this gamemode is having to rewrite the whole thing
01:11 LemonLake The code has gotten quite messy
01:11 Megaf !tell asie Your skin mod crashes the server is either the skin name or player names are invalid on /setskin command
01:11 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when asie is around
01:12 Megaf ~tell asie Your skin mod crashes the server is either the skin name or player names are invalid on /setskin command
01:12 ShadowBot Megaf: O.K.
01:13 LemonLake Woah that's sick
01:16 Megaf VanessaE; Don't you find a little confusing having two "trashes" on unified inventory?
01:17 LemonLake You mean the clear inventory and the one-item trash?
01:17 Megaf yep
01:17 LemonLake Yeah, I agree
01:18 LemonLake Multiple times I've dropped an item on the trash can and watched my entire inventory just go poof
01:18 Megaf I think there should be a button writen Clear Inventory
01:18 LemonLake With confirmation
01:18 Megaf and the trash icon should behave like a trash icon
01:18 Megaf you drag and dtop something to it,
01:19 Megaf I know thats difficult to do or maybe is not even possible
01:19 Megaf so my suggestion is, remove the trash button
01:19 ShadowNinja <LemonLake> ShadowNinja, what's the best way to only generate the world once? ---- That's what's done by default?
01:19 Megaf maybe add something like clean inventory, and with confirmation
01:19 LemonLake Shadow, I meant the way I'm doing it.
01:20 LemonLake However, I've figured it out.
01:20 Megaf the button would actually call the confirmation window, and the function to clear the inventory then would be on the confirmation window
01:20 ShadowNinja Alright.  :-)
01:20 LemonLake I'm gonna check if a schematic exists, then if it does not, generate the world then make one. If it does, load it.
01:20 Megaf and maybe the trash icon could be inside the "Trash:" area
01:26 Vazon We have 4 different clear_inventorys on my server
01:30 VanessaE ShadowNinja: Megaf makes a good point though...
01:30 VanessaE but then again, that "clear inventory" button is only supposed to be usable in creative mode
01:30 Vazon ya i can see where he is coming form
01:31 VanessaE Vazon: 4?  overkill much? ;)
01:31 Vazon we have the trash, the button, /clearinv, and /clearinv name
01:32 Vazon the /clearinv, and /clearinv name are for the admins
01:41 LemonLake Where exactly are schematics saved?
01:41 Megaf !tell asie Hi, How am I supposed to remove a meselamp?
01:41 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when asie is around
01:42 LemonLake Checking now for you megaf
01:43 LemonLake snappy=1, oddly_breakable_by_hand=4
01:43 VanessaE oh that reminds me...
01:43 LemonLake You break it with a sword
01:45 LemonLake Are schematics saved relative to the modpath or something?
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02:08 sea Eh, I found a bug
02:08 LemonLake Hm?
02:08 sea I couldn't connect to a minetest server so I stuck some debug information in the source
02:09 sea and then when I ran it, I got this extremely output every single time, whether I'm connecting locally or not:
02:09 sea (wait a sec while I copy it somewhere)
02:09 LemonLake pastebin.com
02:09 sea Yeah that
02:11 sea http://sprunge.us/ELJa
02:11 * VanessaE looks
02:11 sea Okay, so I'll explain
02:11 VanessaE how old is this copy of Minetest?
02:11 sea 'coming from A' just helps me figure out what's going on in the code, you can ignore it
02:11 sea It's the latest version pulled from git
02:12 sea Minetest 0.4.5-847-g9192380-dirty
02:12 LemonLake That's your problem.
02:12 VanessaE that's not current at all
02:12 VanessaE https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest/commits/master
02:13 VanessaE I think you pulled from celeron55's old repo :)
02:13 sea Oh it's 7fba...
02:13 VanessaE yup
02:13 sea I'll swap to the other one then
02:13 VanessaE 0.4.5 is...  shit, that's gotta be close to a year old now :)
02:14 sea Ah, well I'll change it and see if the bug still pops up
02:14 sea It's a weird case.
02:14 VanessaE ok, good luck
02:14 VanessaE Minetest's development moves pretty fast
02:14 VanessaE anything over ~1 month is usually considered a bit old, ~2 months is often considered outdated
02:14 VanessaE but regular releases are usually somewhat older; the current official release is 0.4.9
02:15 VanessaE 0.4.10 is expected soon-ish but I'm not sure exactly when
02:15 sea Hm, there's a commit in this repo here: "Bump version to 0.4.9"
02:15 sea What's that about?
02:16 VanessaE just changing the version flags in the game, they do that when they decide it's good enough for a releas
02:16 VanessaE release*
02:17 VanessaE commit, commit, commit.... (goes on for a while).. commit... ok this looks like a good point to mark it...  commit "Bump version to x.x.x" ... (prepare zip files and announce a release) ...
02:17 VanessaE repeat.
02:17 sea Interesting
02:18 sea Anyway, the point is that once the average round trip time for packets goes over 2.9, something slips up and the game loops indefinitely
02:18 sea That's in the old version
02:18 VanessaE naw, that's not a problem anymore
02:18 sea What was the cause?
02:18 VanessaE as far as I know; we've seen much larger RTT's.  usually when it gets too big, players will time out instead
02:18 VanessaE no idea, that was too long ago for me to remember
02:19 VanessaE Megaf's server has seen RTT's up to 8 or 9 seconds without much real problem aside from the obvious lag that'll go with it
02:19 VanessaE (but he runs it on a very low-end embedded system; the high RTT's were due to some settings conflicts relative to his hardware)
02:20 Vazon VanessaE: is there anyway to have my server page cleaned up?? like have the post from before May of this year removed?
02:20 VanessaE link?
02:20 Vazon ya
02:20 Vazon VanessaE: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=7681
02:21 VanessaE oh, no way
02:21 VanessaE ain't gonna delete peoples' posts just because they're old
02:21 Vazon :| ok
02:22 Vazon well some of it is just talk and random stuff that has no meaning thats is why i asked
02:22 VanessaE what you could do is, maybe, start a new topic, change the first post of this one to only read "This server topic has moved, please go here -->  [URL here]" and have one of us close this topic instead
02:22 Vazon ok
02:22 VanessaE and copy all your existing first-post stuff to the new topic
02:22 VanessaE but wait
02:23 VanessaE ShadowNinja: opinions?
02:25 Vazon ?
02:27 Vazon i mad a new one Vanessa
02:27 Vazon made*
02:42 * ShadowNinja looks
02:44 ShadowNinja Vazon: Why not continue using the old one?
02:45 Vazon because its cluttered
02:46 LemonLake FINALLY
02:46 ShadowNinja Vazon: That's not sufficient reason to completely restart it.  Move or delete posts that shouldn't be there.
02:46 LemonLake i just got schematic saving to work
02:47 LemonLake but loading it causes crash, yay
02:47 Vazon what do you mean move or delete post?
02:48 LemonLake Hell yeah it loads stuff now
02:49 LemonLake now I don't have to wait like 2 mintues each time lol
02:49 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I dunno, is it really within the usual guidelines of a moderator's duties to do that?  especially with 16 pages of posts to comb through?
02:49 VanessaE seems like that would really screw up conversational flow
02:50 Vazon VanessaE there is not conversational flow thats hte point -.-
02:50 LemonLake ShadowNinja, it was success :D
02:56 VanessaE ShadowNinja: Do/can we support extensions such as http://keplerproject.github.io/luafilesystem/  ?
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02:58 LemonLake Okay, so I just spent 4 hours doing the simplest thing but it was worth it. I'm tired as hell, though. See ya!
02:59 topcyde where do I check the timing in minetest for how long it is day/night.  these nights are rediculously long.
02:59 VanessaE topcyde: time_speed
03:00 VanessaE (a value of 72 I think is the default and leads to a day length of about 20 minutes)
03:00 VanessaE not sure of the actual name, um...
03:00 topcyde anyway to make the nights shorter and the days longer?
03:01 VanessaE not as far as I know, no.
03:01 VanessaE yo can fake it though
03:02 topcyde I'm usually runnign around in caves and so don't notice, but I've been doing som eworld exploring and not it's just annoying.
03:02 VanessaE you*
03:02 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1390
03:02 topcyde s/not/now
03:03 VanessaE you could perhaps periodically check the time of day and advance it by say 5% if it's night time
03:03 VanessaE and set your time speed in minetest.conf to a lower value (==longer cycle) to compensate
03:05 topcyde how would I check it? by using the terminal in game?
03:07 VanessaE set an ABM that looks for, say, default:dirt_with_grass, interval 5, chance 3200. inside that ABM, do a minetest.get_timeofday() call, if it's less than say 0.2 or greater than say 0.8 or something, then multiply it by 1.05 or so and set_timeofday with the result
03:08 VanessaE there are a couple of other ways to do periodic code such as minetest.register_globalstep(func(dtime))
03:08 VanessaE that one is probably better but it requires you to manage the actual timing of the checks yourself (it always executes every 1/10th of a second)
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03:10 VanessaE (an ABM like I described would only work if you're on the surface and there is grass nearby; you could expand the search list to include sand, water, and stone, but that would slow things down somewhat
03:10 VanessaE )
03:10 RealBadAngel well no
03:10 RealBadAngel dtime is time that passed since last execution
03:10 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1251
03:10 VanessaE "Called every server step, usually interval of 0.1s"
03:10 sea Multiply by 1.05?
03:10 RealBadAngel it can be 0.2 as well, if the server is laggy
03:11 RealBadAngel or even way more
03:11 VanessaE sea: yeah, that increases the value by 5%, and time is stored as a float.  0 is midnight, 0.5 is 12 noon.
03:11 VanessaE so simply multiplying or dividing is a quick way to scale the time, as long as you also properly wrap it around past 1.0 of course
03:11 VanessaE (idk what would happen if you pass a value > 1.0 to that call)
03:12 VanessaE RealBadAngel: true.
03:12 sea You'd get really weird time scaling
03:12 VanessaE so an ABM is the only choice if he wants to make sure the time scale operates in a more or less even manner
03:12 sea If the time is very small, then it increases by a tiny amount, and if the time is large, it increases by a large amount
03:13 VanessaE sea: well you could just add a constant if you want
03:13 sea Yeah, that makes it faster. Your multiplying makes it accelerate and then decelerate suddenly
03:13 VanessaE didn't even think about the linear scale.  derp :)
03:13 topcyde whats an ABM?
03:14 RealBadAngel Active Block Modifier
03:14 VanessaE its purpose, NORMALLY, is to change one kind of node into another
03:14 topcyde have a ;ink to explain how to do that?
03:14 VanessaE you trigger on, say, grass, and turn it into dirt or something
03:14 VanessaE topcyde: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2198
03:15 VanessaE minetest.register_abm( ^^^ that definition above ^^^ )
03:16 VanessaE topcyde: there has been talk in the recent past about adding a way to scale the day and night proportions properly though
03:17 VanessaE WAIT
03:17 VanessaE there IS
03:17 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1878
03:17 VanessaE you don' thave to fake it
03:17 VanessaE but you do need to make a small mod to change it
03:18 VanessaE no idea what the ratio value corresponds to though - I would assume the default is 0.5 and refers to how much of the day is daylight
03:18 VanessaE so maybe you want a larger value here
03:18 VanessaE so a single, one-time call to this function with say 0.75 might be all you need
03:18 topcyde is there source for that function call?
03:18 topcyde that would help to figure otu how it works
03:19 VanessaE there is but it's kinda scattered:  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/search​?q=override_day_night_ratio&amp;ref=cmdform
03:20 topcyde I don't know ojective-C is // still a comment?
03:21 VanessaE this is C++
03:21 VanessaE and yeah
03:23 topcyde oh!the first one was noted as Objective and didn't realize each search return  was labeled differently.
03:23 topcyde C++ I'm familiar with
03:25 topcyde according to the clint.h read that as though it need 2 variables.. the 1 to turn it on and then the other to set the ratio.
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03:26 topcyde but then I don't understand what it's doing with it in game.cpp
03:27 VanessaE a lot of minetest's code can be confusing, which is why I stick to Lua.
03:27 VanessaE I still get confused, but at least I'm confused by a language I mostly understand :D
03:27 Vazon Night everyone
03:31 VanessaE night
03:34 topcyde it's part of a big for statement, but I'm not certain of the handling after it, guess it's time to break out the tome of strutroup
03:34 topcyde strustroup
03:35 topcyde however it's spelled
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03:42 VanessaE or just write a little one-line Lua mod that uses that call :P
03:42 VanessaE see what it does with different values
03:43 topcyde never wrote a mod
03:45 VanessaE they're easy to make.
03:46 VanessaE write some code in an editor, save it as "init.lua", put that in a directory named for your mod, copy the directory to Minetest's "mods/" directory, then go into your client and enable it in your world's "Configuration" menu
03:46 VanessaE then play that world and see if it works
03:46 VanessaE mods are server-side only, so what you make will only work for you in single-player mode, not for a server you play on unless you get that server's operator to install it there (in which case, your local copy will not be used)
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03:48 topcyde I play single player anyway
03:48 topcyde crappy internet connection
03:48 VanessaE oh ok
03:49 VanessaE you should try my servers some time.
03:49 VanessaE they work pretty decent on crappy connections once all the media is in
03:49 topcyde I think i did last year a coupe times but glitched the hell out too many times it annoyed me.
03:50 topcyde all my side not your server
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03:51 topcyde if dial up is the telegraph of internet connections then I've only progressed to pulse dialed rotary phones
03:51 VanessaE oh no, I have multiple servers now
03:51 topcyde and the lying bastards call it DSL
03:52 VanessaE try the "Vanilla" one (30005)
03:52 VanessaE it's light-weight
03:52 VanessaE also, ouch :)
03:52 topcyde I've marked it to give it a whirl later.
03:53 topcyde OH I also used you as an example to my daughter.  I told her one of the most prolific mod writers for minetest was a girl.  Her idiot mother has her convinced that computers are boys things
03:54 VanessaE what does mom think now? :)
03:54 topcyde her moms still an idiot, but my daughter at least has a clue
03:55 VanessaE oh good
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03:55 topcyde her mom != my wife
03:55 VanessaE I assumed
04:01 topcyde any header or footer I need to put in that lua file?
04:03 VanessaE nope
04:03 VanessaE you just need the raw code.
04:04 VanessaE a single minetest.override_day_night_ratio(0.75)   or something similar should do it
04:04 VanessaE you could even tuck that into any random file in minetest_game/mods/default  or so if you wanted
04:05 VanessaE (as long as some other mod isn't already doing that call, in which case change it there)
04:06 topcyde good point have to do a search through the mod directory
04:07 topcyde the api specifically says controlling sunlight so I interpret that as the larger the ratio the more the day light
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04:11 VanessaE yeah
04:11 VanessaE that's what I assumed too
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04:19 topcyde says ERROR: ModError: Failed to load and run
04:21 topcyde anyway to verbose when its loading?
04:26 topcyde brain tired i'll try again in the am
04:30 VanessaE what's the rest of the error?
04:30 VanessaE (check your debug.txt)
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06:04 reactor Цдуоъачояхпе
06:07 ShadowNinja VanessaE: We don't.  But it should work, just add "local lfs = require('lfs')" to your mod and have people `pacman -S lua51-filesystem`.
06:09 ShadowNinja I went through my old jail mod.  It was quite ugly, but very feature-full and I managed to clean it up.
06:12 VanessaE RealBadAngel:  ^^^^^^
06:12 VanessaE reason I ask is being able to mkdir and chdir in particular
06:13 ShadowNinja chdir?
06:13 VanessaE well cd isn't really needed
06:13 VanessaE but mkdir is
06:15 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Note that that makes it considerably harder for Windows users.  You should provide a .dll for them.
06:15 VanessaE that's why I asked :-/
06:16 VanessaE maybe some sort of helper function in the engine is in order?  RBA was needing some way to better-organize UI's files
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07:36 LazyJ Does Minetest read inside of the "modpack.txt" file?
07:37 LazyJ According to the 2014_05_24 "lua_api.txt", the "modpack.txt" file is supposed to be empty or have # to comment out the lines.
07:38 LazyJ I've seen "modpack.txt" files that were empty and some that had text in them.
07:38 LazyJ Those that contained text didn't have the # and it didn't seem to bother Minetest.
07:39 ShadowNinja LazyJ: Minetest does nothing but a stat() to see if it exists.
07:39 LazyJ Is this # something that will be necessary in the future or is it just a forgotten artifact from when the modpack.txt was implemented?
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07:40 ShadowNinja In fact it probably could be removed, and the rule changed to "doesn't have a init.lua".
07:40 ShadowNinja LazyJ: If modpack.txt is ever used for anything # should denote comments.
07:41 LazyJ Ok. I've been adding notes to myself in the modpack.txt file.
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07:42 LazyJ So, I'll add # to the lines just to be on the safe side. Thanks ;)
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07:45 LazyJ Two curiosities. 1. Is #minetest-mods better suited for these kinds of questions?  2. Is the "80 columns" rule more of a tradition or is there still a good and functional reason to follow it?
07:45 nman3600 Hello everypony
07:45 LazyJ If so, what why?
07:45 LazyJ *If so, why?
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07:47 reactor LazyJ: text width more than 80 chars is beyond one's fild of view.
07:47 reactor field, even.
07:47 sfan5 meow
07:47 sfan5 hi everyone
07:48 * sfan5 meows again :3
07:48 reactor No matter how big your screen is, you want 80 columns.
07:48 ShadowNinja LazyJ: It's still good, but we adhere to it loosely.  You can view two files side-by-side with a 80 char width.
07:48 * nman3600 strokes sfan5
07:48 reactor That, too, ShadowNinja.
07:48 ShadowNinja LazyJ: There are ways to reduce tab usage too.
07:49 * sfan5 purss
07:49 reactor Although, if a file does not have line breaks, you can resize the window you're reading it in.
07:49 nman3600 ShadowNinja thanks again for helping me with the raillike thing
07:49 LazyJ The trouble I have with the 80 rule is when it comes to nesting.
07:49 ShadowNinja nman3600: NP.  :-)
07:50 * nman3600 hands sfan5 a bowl of milk
07:50 * sfan5 noms the bowl
07:50 nman3600 yu spilt the milk everywhere
07:51 * nman3600 tells sfan5 to lick the milk up from the floor
07:51 ShadowNinja LazyJ: See http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7519545/
07:51 * sfan5 noms nman3600
07:52 ShadowNinja LazyJ: You can also use small local functions.
07:52 nman3600 cute kitten i don't feek a fing
07:52 LazyJ Then on the flip-side of the coin, the 80 rule keeps things in the "field of view", like reactor said, when I increase the font size big enough that I can see it. ;)-
07:52 nman3600 *feel
07:52 reactor It's so much more comfortable to have many terminals side by side than one above the other.
07:52 reactor You can read more lines of the output.
07:54 * nman3600 hands sfan5 a ><(((º>
07:55 * sfan5 noms it
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07:58 * nman3600 hands sfan5 a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ (polar bear)
07:58 * sfan5 does nothing
07:59 * nman3600 hands sfan5 a guy flipping a table (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
07:59 * sfan5 does nothing
08:03 * nman3600 hands sfan5 a kitten (= ●_● =)
08:03 * sfan5 does nothing
08:03 nman3600 but it's a kiitten!!!!!!
08:13 sea OMG A KITTEN
08:14 reactor ╯_╯
08:15 reactor ˁ_ˀ
08:15 reactor º_Ё
08:16 reactor Why would sfan5 need a kitten? He's experimenting on quantum physics?
08:16 * sfan5 is trying to get a H.264 encoder that uses VAAPI to work with ffmpeg
08:17 sfan5 and gedit just crashed :(
08:19 reactor gedit.
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09:09 nman3600 hi
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09:15 nman3600 hello everypony
09:16 sea Ooh, a brony!
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09:20 VanessaE hi
09:25 nman3600 sea: I AM A BRONY PROUD TO ADMIN
09:25 nman3600 *ADMIT
09:31 nman3600 sea a refference to this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMjnVeDPEYo
09:31 nman3600 ohai VannessaE i didn't see that you said hi
09:39 nman3600 mesecon signals should signal steel doors
09:39 nman3600 oh wait they do
09:41 nman3600 buttons and levers don't do it properly :(
09:51 whiskers75 sfan5: meow
09:51 VanessaE meow.
09:52 ^EOF joined #minetest
09:52 * whiskers75 meows at ^EOF
09:52 * whiskers75 meows at ^EOF
09:52 * ^EOF meows back
09:52 VanessaE mesecons should not open steel doors imho
09:52 * ^EOF meows back
09:52 whiskers75 VanessaE: yeh
09:52 VanessaE because then just anyone could unlock your doors on a multiplayer server.
09:52 reactor VanessaE: otherwise they will break your wals.
09:52 reactor s/als/alls/
09:52 whiskers75 pls2channel supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.strings ""
09:52 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
09:53 whiskers75 there, now it won't bug anyone
09:53 reactor Better let them unlock the doo with mesecons, imho.
09:53 reactor s/oo/oor/
09:53 whiskers75 or just get a protection plugin :P
09:53 reactor yep
09:54 reactor Are you sure it's "^EOF" and not "^D"?
09:55 nman3600 my computer hates me
09:55 reactor Great timing!
09:56 whiskers75 reactor: ^D was taken, I think
09:57 whiskers75 ^EOF: nick ^D
09:57 whiskers75 Error: Someone else is already using that nick.
09:57 nman3600 withing half an hour of my computer being started up it starts to get really warm and it starts to crash
09:57 whiskers75 broken fans?
09:59 nman3600 nope
09:59 nman3600 i'm just going to shut it down and let it cool down like i do every flipping hour
09:59 reactor TThermal paste gone bad?
09:59 reactor Damn I'm slow.
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10:13 * sfan5 meows at whiskers75
10:15 * whiskers75 meows at sfan5
10:15 * whiskers75 meows at ^EOF
10:15 * ^EOF meows back
10:16 * sfan5 throws http://i.imgur.com/gO13SW6.jpg at whiskers75
10:16 whiskers75 pls2mp add "\1ACTION meows at (\w+)\1" "action meows at $1 too"
10:16 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "\1ACTION meows at (\w+)\1" "action meows at $1 too"
10:16 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
10:16 * whiskers75 meows at sfan5
10:16 * ^EOF meows at sfan5 too
10:16 * sfan5 meows at whiskers75
10:16 * ^EOF meows at whiskers75 too
10:16 * sfan5 meows at ^EOF
10:16 * ^EOF meows back
10:17 * whiskers75 throws https://cdn.mediacru.sh/YTjkr2TxQXMy.png at sfan5
10:17 sfan5 yay!
10:17 sfan5 you actually used mediacru.sh
10:17 sfan5 \o/
10:17 * sfan5 purrs
10:17 whiskers75 I use it for all images on blog.whiskers75.co.uk now.
10:17 * whiskers75 purrs and headbutts sfan5
10:18 * sfan5 curls up to whiskers75's lap
10:18 * whiskers75 is a kitten, tho
10:19 whiskers75 ^EOF, help ceq
10:19 ^EOF whiskers75: (ceq <item1> <item2>) -- Does a string comparison on <item1> and <item2>. Returns true if they are equal.
10:19 whiskers75 ^EOF, cif [ceq [rand 1 2 3] 1]
10:19 ^EOF whiskers75: (cif <condition> <ifcommand> <elsecommand>) -- Runs <ifcommand> if <condition> evaluates to true, runs <elsecommand> if it evaluates to false. Use other logical operators defined in this plugin and command nesting to your advantage here.
10:19 whiskers75 ^EOF, cif [ceq [rand 1 2 3] 1] "echo meow" "echo purr"
10:19 ^EOF purr
10:19 whiskers75 ^EOF, cif [ceq [rand 1 2 3] 1] "echo meow" "echo purr"
10:19 ^EOF purr
10:19 whiskers75 ^EOF, cif [ceq [rand 1 2 3] 1] "echo meow" "echo purr"
10:19 whiskers75 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
10:19 ^EOF purr
10:19 ^EOF was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
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10:19 whiskers75 pls
10:19 whiskers75 ^EOF, cif [ceq [rand 1 2 3] 1] "echo meow" "echo purr"
10:20 whiskers75 meh
10:20 ^EOF purr
10:20 ^EOF was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
10:20 ^EOF joined #minetest
10:20 whiskers75 I'll test it in private
10:20 whiskers75 sfan5: shadowbot is kicking innocent kittens!
10:20 sfan5 whiskers75: whiskers75.report({to: ShadowNinja});
10:21 reactor ^EOF, зыфвЩЗФЫВЬЩТ фцщш ЩФВГШАИФ фЫЩВШПАФЩИВ ЩШАОТТ гдПББФПСИРЕ!
10:21 reactor ^EOF, cif зыфвЩЗФЫВЬЩТ фцщш ЩФВГШАИФ фЫЩВШПАФЩИВ ЩШАОТТ гдПББФПСИРЕ!
10:21 reactor ^EOF, cif 0 зыфвЩЗФЫВЬЩТ фцщш ЩФВГШАИФ фЫЩВШПАФЩИВ ЩШАОТТ гдПББФПСИРЕ!
10:22 ^EOF reactor: (cif <condition> <ifcommand> <elsecommand>) -- Runs <ifcommand> if <condition> evaluates to true, runs <elsecommand> if it evaluates to false. Use other logical operators defined in this plugin and command nesting to your advantage here.
10:22 reactor ^EOF, "echo зыфвЩЗФЫВЬЩТ фцщш ЩФВГШАИФ фЫЩВШПАФЩИВ ЩШАОТТ гдПББФПСИРЕ!"
10:22 whiskers75 reactor: pls
10:23 reactor It doesn't work for me :(.
10:23 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "\x01ACTION purrs\x01" "cif [ceq [dice 1d3] 1] \"action strokes $nick\" \"utilities ignore\""
10:23 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
10:23 * whiskers75 purrs
10:23 * ^EOF strokes $nick
10:23 * whiskers75 purrs
10:23 * ^EOF strokes $nick
10:23 whiskers75 pls
10:23 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp list
10:23 * ^EOF meows at (w+)
10:23 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp del --id 3
10:23 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp remove --id 3
10:24 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
10:24 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "\x01ACTION purrs\x01" "cif [ceq [dice 1d3] 1] action strokes [echo $nick] utilities ignore"
10:24 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
10:24 * whiskers75 purrs
10:24 ^EOF (cif <condition> <ifcommand> <elsecommand>) -- Runs <ifcommand> if <condition> evaluates to true, runs <elsecommand> if it evaluates to false. Use other logical operators defined in this plugin and command nesting to your advantage here.
10:24 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp remove --id 3
10:24 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
10:24 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "\x01ACTION purrs\x01" "cif [ceq [dice 1d3] 1] \"action strokes [echo $nick]\" \"utilities ignore\""
10:24 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
10:24 * whiskers75 purrs
10:25 * whiskers75 purrs
10:25 * whiskers75 purrs
10:25 whiskers75 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
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10:25 whiskers75 WHAT
10:25 whiskers75 NEVER SEEN A KITTEN BEFORE?
10:25 whiskers75 THEY DO THAT
10:25 * whiskers75 purrs
10:25 whiskers75 >:c
10:25 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp remove --id 3
10:25 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
10:25 sfan5 lolwat
10:25 sfan5 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-​bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700758
10:26 sfan5 >implying bcrypt is unsafe
10:26 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "" "cif [ceq [dice 1d50] 1] action meows ignore"
10:26 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "." "cif [ceq [dice 1d50] 1] action meows ignore"
10:26 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
10:26 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp remove --id 3
10:27 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
10:27 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "cat" "cif [ceq [dice 1d3] 1] action meows ignore"
10:27 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
10:27 ^EOF was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
10:27 ^EOF joined #minetest
10:27 whiskers75 did you know that cats are so fluffy?
10:27 whiskers75 sfan5: do you own a cat?
10:27 ^EOF whiskers75: (cif <condition> <ifcommand> <elsecommand>) -- Runs <ifcommand> if <condition> evaluates to true, runs <elsecommand> if it evaluates to false. Use other logical operators defined in this plugin and command nesting to your advantage here.
10:27 whiskers75 ಠ_ಠ
10:27 sfan5 whiskers75: no, do you wan to gift me one?
10:27 ^EOF whiskers75: (cif <condition> <ifcommand> <elsecommand>) -- Runs <ifcommand> if <condition> evaluates to true, runs <elsecommand> if it evaluates to false. Use other logical operators defined in this plugin and command nesting to your advantage here.
10:27 sfan5 want*
10:27 reactor ^EOF, ъДТБЧУФЧХКФЕ!
10:27 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp remove --id 3
10:27 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
10:28 reactor ^EOF, mp add "ъДТБЧУФЧХКФЕ!" "ignore"
10:28 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "cat" "cif [ceq [dice 1d3] 1] \"action meows\" \"utilities ignore\""
10:28 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
10:28 * sfan5 meows at ^EOF
10:28 * ^EOF meows back
10:28 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "ъДТБЧУФЧХКФЕ" "action slaps [echo $nick]"
10:28 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
10:28 whiskers75 ъДТБЧУФЧХКФЕ
10:28 * ^EOF slaps whiskers75
10:28 sfan5 ъДТБЧУФЧХКФЕ
10:28 * ^EOF slaps sfan5
10:28 reactor ъДТБЧУФЧХКФЕ!
10:28 * sfan5 slaps ^EOF
10:28 * ^EOF slaps reactor
10:28 ^EOF was kicked by ShadowBot: Slap flood detected.
10:28 ^EOF joined #minetest
10:28 whiskers75 PLS
10:28 sfan5 * ShadowBot hat ^EOF aus #minetest gekickt (Slap flood detected.)
10:28 sfan5 ahahahha
10:28 reactor ПВНЕД.
10:30 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp remove --id 4
10:30 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
10:30 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "Д" "action looks at [echo $nick] strangely."
10:30 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow!
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10:30 whiskers75 Д
10:30 * ^EOF looks at whiskers75 strangely.
10:30 reactor ДИ ДРРГЕ
10:30 * ^EOF looks at reactor strangely.
10:30 * ^EOF looks at reactor strangely.
10:31 reactor ДДДДДДДДДД
10:31 * ^EOF looks at reactor strangely.
10:31 ^EOF was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
10:31 ^EOF joined #minetest
10:31 * ^EOF looks at reactor strangely.
10:31 whiskers75 pls
10:31 ^EOF was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
10:31 reactor ДДДДДДДДДДДД!
10:31 whiskers75 PLS
10:31 reactor Oh. :(
10:31 whiskers75 Now it won't get unbanned, because Jordach will probably kill me for ever bringing it in anyway
10:32 * sfan5 meows at whiskers75
10:32 * whiskers75 hisses and walks off.
10:32 * reactor МЕОВС АТ ВХИСКЕРС75
10:33 * whiskers75 meows back
10:33 * sfan5 flips reactor
10:34 * reactor looks at reactor strangely.
10:34 whiskers75 ಠ_ಠ
10:34 whiskers75 sfan5: pls2unbanning?
10:34 sfan5 nah
10:34 whiskers75 :(
10:34 reactor ЩАИТ ДЙ ДРРГЕ, АИУФНЕ?
10:36 whiskers75 reactor: 'SHTAIT DI DRRGE, AIUFNE'
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10:36 reactor ИО
10:36 SnowD :o
10:36 reactor "ЕЯЯОЯ"
10:37 whiskers75 reactor: pls
10:37 SnowD Ö
10:37 reactor ТНАТЪ5 Я16НТ.
10:37 reactor whiskers75: ?
10:37 whiskers75 PLS ДА НЕ
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10:38 reactor УЕС!
10:38 whiskers75 https://translate.google.c​om/#auto/bg/PLS%20TO%20NOT
10:38 reactor ИО!
10:38 reactor Oh.
10:38 reactor I see.
10:38 SnowD ¯\(°_o)/¯
10:38 reactor Google Translate fails, though.
10:38 nman3600 hi i fixed my computer i think
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10:39 SnowD are you posting from your computer?
10:39 SnowD if yes, then it's fixed.
10:39 nman3600 me? yes
10:39 reactor Try to translate this: "подoпытных иcпытали галлюцинaций".
10:39 reactor nman3600: what was it?
10:39 whiskers75 podopytnyh icpytali gallyutsinatsy
10:39 nman3600 my fan was clogged up with dust
10:39 nman3600 i spent an hour cleaning it out and letting it cool down
10:40 reactor Dust is a bitch.
10:40 nman3600 it's been on for half and hour and it's still cold
10:40 nman3600 IKR!!
10:40 whiskers75 yay pies http://blog.whiskers75.co.uk/pps-​and-load-averages-with-a-piglow/
10:40 reactor фщщщщщщщщщщщщщщщщщщщщ!
10:41 whiskers75 fshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtsht​shtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtsht
10:41 reactor yeah, google translate sucks.
10:41 reactor it looks good.
10:42 reactor It's a puzzle to mewhy they had to arrange lamps in such pattern.
10:42 Jordach joined #minetest
10:42 whiskers75 OH NO
10:42 reactor It'd look better if they were straight lines.
10:42 whiskers75 IT'S JORDACH
10:42 * whiskers75 runs
10:42 reactor Jordach: гДПЮБЯРБСИРЕ!
10:42 whiskers75 Jordach: I totally haven't been messing around with ^EOF and causing it to get banned because ShadowBot
10:43 nman3600 ohai Jordach
10:43 sfan5 o/ Jordach
10:43 Jordach told you it was a fucking bad idea
10:43 Jordach i didn't even have to *DO* it
10:43 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
10:43 whiskers75 I made a thing that reacted to reactor's strange lettering
10:43 whiskers75 and then he spammed it :P
10:43 sfan5 >strange lettering
10:44 SnowD How's Minetest doing, btw?
10:44 sfan5 It's called Cyrillic script
10:44 sfan5 SnowD: good
10:44 SnowD Good to hear that!
10:44 reactor joined #minetest
10:44 * nman3600 hands sfan5 a CD of cat sounds with a bowl of milk
10:44 * whiskers75 jumps and meows at nman3600
10:44 SnowD I wish more people would use it
10:44 reactor Yeah that's right. I always get blamed for "strange lettering".
10:44 * sfan5 noms the CD and spits out a .flac file
10:44 * whiskers75 eats the .flac file
10:44 * nman3600 hands whiskers75 a bowl of milk
10:44 * sfan5 tap whiskers75
10:44 * whiskers75 starts meowing strangely
10:45 * whiskers75 laps the milk in between meows.
10:45 * sfan5 presses whiskers75 "eject" button
10:45 * whiskers75 vomits
10:45 * reactor puts whiskers75 in a box.
10:45 * whiskers75 stops meowing strangely
10:45 * sfan5 cleans the .flac file and throws it at Jordach
10:45 * whiskers75 starts "playing with" reactor's box
10:45 reactor In?
10:46 * nman3600 throws a toy towards sfan5 and whiskers75
10:46 * Jordach doesn't have a problem with reactor's language
10:46 * whiskers75 is inside the box, slowly destroying it
10:46 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
10:46 * whiskers75 hisses at the approaching Jordach
10:46 * sfan5 plays with the toy
10:46 SnowD uuh
10:46 SnowD wat
10:46 * whiskers75 is more interested in the box
10:46 reactor Jordach: in Яцssia, my language doesn't have a problem with you.
10:46 Jordach <- extremely happy with diversism
10:46 whiskers75 same
10:47 reactor Did anyone say "dive"?
10:47 * whiskers75 jumps out of the destroyed box and walks into the kitty litter box marked 'AFK'
10:47 * sfan5 opens a black hole in the kitty litter box
10:47 * whiskers75 dies
10:48 * whiskers75 is revived
10:48 * sfan5 closes the black hole and points the black hole gun at nman3600
10:48 nman3600 GO ON THEN
10:48 reactor Run! He's a zombie kitten!
10:48 * whiskers75 walks into the titanium-plated box marked 'AFK'
10:48 * whiskers75 closes the lid
10:48 reactor He who waitc behind the ЩАГГ!
10:48 * whiskers75 goes AFK
10:48 * sfan5 presses the trigger
10:48 sfan5 the black hole sucks in nman3600
10:48 nman3600 WOOOO A BLACK HOLE
10:48 * sfan5 hisses at the black hole
10:48 sfan5 black hole closes
10:48 * sfan5 meows :3
10:49 reactor УЕАН Д ВГДСК НФГЕ!
10:49 * whiskers75 , momentarily un-AFKing, meows and a forcefield appears around the AFK box
10:49 * whiskers75 goes back into AFKland
10:49 * reactor stands next to the force field and inverts the coordinates.
10:50 reactor Mine.
10:50 * sfan5 imports antigravity ( http://xkcd.com/353/ )
10:50 reactor Oh. I should have thought y'all would be in it, too.
10:51 * reactor tries to process sfan5 with regex.
10:51 * nman3600 opens the black hole and comes out with a sombrero, pink mustache and a collection of cat toys
10:51 reactor xombrero* it is
10:52 * sfan5 fires the mese laser gun at nman3600
10:52 * sfan5 puts reactor into XML tags
10:52 reactor Beware, it's gonna segfault, nman3600
10:52 nman3600 OH NOOO
10:52 reactor ИФФФФФФФФФФФ!
10:52 reactor XMГ is the caИc3Яiiiiiiii
10:53 * sfan5 points the mese laser gun at nman3600s head
10:53 * sfan5 presses the trigger
10:53 * nman3600 traps sfan5 in a cage made of titanium and sends all the cats with her to space
10:53 * sfan5 purrs :3
10:53 * sfan5 slaps the titanium-cage
10:53 sfan5 cage is destroyed
10:53 * nman3600 fires a kitty canon to space
10:53 * sfan5 bites nman3600
10:53 * sfan5 gives nman3600 a bomb
10:54 reactor "here, hold this!"
10:54 * nman3600 fires it into the blackhole in the litter boc
10:54 nman3600 *box
10:54 * sfan5 bits nman3600 again
10:54 sfan5 bites*
10:55 * nman3600 cut's sfan5's fur
10:55 * sfan5 slaps nman3600
10:55 * reactor puts sfan5 in a box, and puts the box in a box, and puts the box in a box, and putx the box in a box, and pBUS ERROR.
10:55 * sfan5 throws a bus at reactor
10:56 * nman3600 throws a syntax error at sfan5
10:56 * sfan5 noms the error
10:56 sfan5 !up sfan5.duckdns.org 30005
10:56 MinetestBot sfan5.duckdns.org:30005 is up (386ms)
10:56 sfan5 hm
10:56 * reactor buys a ticket and rides the bus to the stack.
10:57 sfan5 why won't the server list accept it?
10:57 reactor Misconfigured anИounce?
10:57 sfan5 dunno
10:57 sfan5 should be fine
10:58 * nman3600 burps out a fisherman holding a bag of kittens eating fish at sfan5
10:58 nman3600 OH GOD
10:58 * sfan5 does nothing
10:59 * reactor sfan5 looks strangely at
10:59 * sfan5 reactor :3 meows
11:00 nman3600 !seen the fisherman holding a bag of kittens eating fish
11:00 MinetestBot nman3600: Sorry, I haven't seen the around.
11:01 reactor Sфviet Meфщ?
11:01 nman3600 !seen LemonLake
11:01 MinetestBot nman3600: lemonlake was last seen at 2014-05-26 02:58:14 UTC on #minetest
11:02 reactor СаИсеЯ кilling the Й is sfan5 guaranteed to a bag of kittens eating fish
11:03 reactor мeжду прoчим, в Австрaлии         ошNбoк?
11:04 * sfan5 does nothing
11:06 * nman3600 is bored
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11:47 LemonLake Yo
11:47 CraigyDavi hi
11:52 LemonLake Okay, I've just found a strange issue.
11:52 LemonLake Whenever I break a node, I only get one of it then never again. What I mean is, if I don't have it, I get it. Otherwise I don't.
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11:54 nman3600 hi
11:54 LemonLake It might be the item_drops mod, actually
11:54 nman3600 i just found the weirdest condition ever it's called Hypertrichosis
11:54 nman3600 it makes your whole face hair
11:54 LemonLake No, your whole body just grows a loooot of hair.
11:54 LemonLake Werewolf syndrome.
11:54 nman3600 yep
11:54 LemonLake Super puberty.
11:55 nman3600 LOL
11:55 LemonLake What?
11:55 nman3600 it's kinda funny
11:55 LemonLake Not really.
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11:55 LemonLake I see that sneaky BT join
11:56 LemonLake Nevermind my issue, I just removed the creative mode check from item_drops and it works.
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11:57 nman3600 i spent ages last night making 16 nodes
11:58 LemonLake Yeah, you were up to eleven.
11:58 nman3600 yep
11:58 nman3600 because at first it failed so i had to get a bit of help and i done it in the end
11:59 LemonLake Well I got world restoring to work
11:59 LemonLake now I'm just working on making the world generator take less than 20 seconds because people don't read instructions so might think that the mod's not working
11:59 nman3600 well i've got the interior of a house to build but i'll do it latere
11:59 nman3600 *later
12:01 LemonLake Well I'm gonna eat, I just woke up half an hour ago.
12:02 nman3600 yeah u did i've had lunch already
12:03 nman3600 would you count bricks as stones
12:03 LemonLake Nein, why?
12:04 nman3600 i'm on a server i just made bricks and i want to put them in one of my chests and all my chests are neatly organized and i've got no where for bricks and it'll be a waste of time to make a chest just for 1 material
12:04 LemonLake No it wouldn't
12:04 LemonLake You'll be hoarding bricks before you know it
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12:05 nman3600 i'll put it somewhere maybe sell it
12:06 nman3600 i just made a chest for it
12:06 nman3600 lol
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12:14 nman3600 hello Gambit
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12:18 reactor Certificate verification failed for /C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert SHA2 Extended Validation Server CA
12:18 reactor I have no idea what I'v just read.
12:19 LemonLake Is digicert your ISP?
12:19 LemonLake Wiat, nevermind that
12:19 LemonLake that's a dumb question
12:19 LemonLake Just looks like your certificate failed, that's all
12:22 nman3600 woah LemonLake never realised u returned
12:22 LemonLake I'm stealthy.
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12:25 LemonLake Hey kaeza
12:25 kaeza mornings
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12:45 nman3600 Hey kaeze
12:45 nman3600 kaeza*
12:49 LemonLake Hey niall, we might have to do some testing in a minute if you're interested
12:50 LemonLake I'm adding godmode and about to add teams
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12:51 nman3600 k LemonLake
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13:01 fireglow do you guys know of a home mod, i.e. /sethome and /home or something?
13:01 fireglow ah, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=741
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13:03 nman3600 fireglow minetest next has it
13:04 nman3600 wait xyz is no longer banned?
13:04 fireglow that mod works just fine
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13:04 nman3600 dude sfan5 is unbanned :D
13:05 nman3600 :O*
13:05 LemonLake he was banned?
13:05 nman3600 yes from the forum
13:05 nman3600 not sfan5
13:05 nman3600 i mean xyz
13:05 LemonLake why would a moderator be banned
13:06 nman3600 no i mean cyz
13:06 nman3600 xyz*
13:06 LemonLake why would an admin be baned???
13:06 nman3600 do you not remember?
13:06 LemonLake :o xyz plays on buildcraft
13:06 LemonLake no i dont
13:06 LemonLake im dumb tell me
13:07 nman3600 xyz was banned from the forum when you started playing minetet
13:07 nman3600 *minetest
13:07 LemonLake no why would i remember something like that
13:07 nman3600 well xyz is no unbanned
13:07 fireglow well, why WAS he banned, then
13:07 LemonLake ^
13:07 nman3600 idk
13:09 fireglow ah well
13:09 LemonLake He was never banned
13:09 LemonLake He just set his title to banned
13:10 fireglow heuhue
13:10 reactor !up mike402.no-ip.biz 50000
13:10 MinetestBot mike402.no-ip.biz:50000 seems to be down
13:10 fireglow !up firc.de 30000
13:10 MinetestBot firc.de:30000 is up (136ms)
13:10 fireglow damn straight
13:11 reactor !up mike402.no-ip.biz 50000
13:11 MinetestBot mike402.no-ip.biz:50000 seems to be down
13:12 LemonLake http://imgur.com/vMknqpe
13:12 LemonLake damn straight
13:12 LemonLake making progress
13:12 nman3600 lol
13:12 sfan5 meow
13:12 * nman3600 strokes sfan5
13:12 LemonLake I should probably update minetest, actually
13:12 sfan5 nman3600: xyz was never banned
13:12 LemonLake ^
13:12 LemonLake Like I said, he just set his title to banned
13:13 nman3600 i thought he was because most posts said he was but they seem to have been deleted
13:13 LemonLake Don't believe what you read on the internet.
13:13 LemonLake sfan5 - what is the benefit of upgrading from 9e8bbea to 60e6368?
13:14 reactor !up mike402.no-ip.biz 50000
13:14 MinetestBot mike402.no-ip.biz:50000 is up (175ms)
13:14 reactor Finally.
13:14 sfan5 do i look like i know changed between two commit ids by heart?
13:14 sfan5 <3 MinetestBot
13:14 MinetestBot <3 sfan5
13:14 sfan5 LemonLake: just update..
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13:14 LemonLake Okay, I'm struggling to use the new github layout >;(
13:14 nman3600 <3 lua
13:14 LemonLake </3 lua
13:15 nman3600 <3 MinetestBot
13:15 MinetestBot <3 nman3600
13:15 nman3600 :D
13:15 LemonLake "Item entity stacks merge on the ground. …" hell yeah im upgrading
13:16 nman3600 is that the thing that RealBadAngel was making?
13:16 LemonLake yeah, commit c8a99404e8
13:16 LemonLake https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/18fe277d949a82fcc6fbc47c734df514d3ea1f52
13:17 * sfan5 meows :3
13:17 * nman3600 strokes sfan5
13:17 * sfan5 purrs
13:17 LemonLake items on the floor despawn now, too
13:17 LemonLake +# Time in seconds for item entity to live. Default value: 900s  +# Setting it to -1 disables the feature  +#item_entity_ttl = 900
13:20 LemonLake Niall, update to 60e6368! it has carbone!
13:20 LemonLake http://sfan5.pf-control.de/minetest-builds​/minetest/minetest-0.4.9-60e6368-win32.7z
13:21 nman3600 i have carbone
13:21 LemonLake get it anyway because i said so
13:21 reactor Hmm.
13:22 LemonLake holy crap carbone is more than just a game, it's a whole flipping modpack
13:22 reactor Either lately clients have received ability to repeat click super fast, or I've got a player with a cracked game.
13:22 LemonLake most likely the latter
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13:22 nman3600 i already i have carbone
13:22 nman3600 hi Krock
13:22 LemonLake yo Krock
13:22 LemonLake niall, get the update
13:22 Krock I feel stalked
13:22 LemonLake not carbone
13:23 LemonLake damn rgiht
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13:24 sfan5 LemonLake: all my builds have carbone & minetest next preinstalled
13:24 LemonLake_ Damn, which was the right world, "be", "berd", "eaf", "eeeeeeerk", "ffffffff", "nerg", "net" or "nnnnnn"
13:24 LemonLake_ I'm aware sfan
13:24 LemonLake_ Niall, get the update anyway. It has cool features.
13:24 sfan5 LemonLake: does the 64bit version work for you?
13:25 LemonLake_ Not sure. Last time I tried a 64bit build it didn't, despite the fact that I'm on 64bit.
13:25 LemonLake_ Wy?
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13:25 LemonLake_ Why*
13:25 sfan5 please try again
13:25 LemonLake_ Will do.
13:25 * Megaf pets sfan5
13:25 Megaf Hello everyone
13:25 * sfan5 purrs at Megaf
13:26 LemonLake_ Yo
13:26 LemonLake_ The font looks different. It's pissing me off.
13:26 nman3600 LemonLake nothing new that i had before
13:27 LemonLake_ Heuwhat
13:27 LemonLake_ Oh.
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13:28 LemonLake Niall, teams are about 30% complete
13:28 LemonLake I haven't added godmode yet though
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13:33 LemoNlake And sfan, it works
13:33 sfan5 yay
13:33 sfan5 that is good
13:33 sfan5 the first 64bit builds where are bit chaosy
13:34 sfan5 s/chaosy/chaos-y/
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13:34 LemoNlake How can I give a player a property?
13:34 LemoNlake I don't quite understand set_properties
13:35 LemoNlake Oh, player.lua has an example
13:41 nman3600 I FOUND A NYAN CAT ON MINETEST
13:41 nman3600 Krock has anyone found one on your server?
13:42 Krock Hey sfan5, I wasn'table to fix those ( http://pastebin.com/Lz3cTtMw ) errors, can you help me? I recompiled OpenAl but it still  throws the same errors
13:42 Krock nman3600, i don't know
13:42 nman3600 Krock i found a nyan cat on your server in my mine
13:42 Krock then yes
13:42 Krock congrats
13:43 nman3600 my heart is pounding i can't breathe
13:43 sfan5 Krock: use make
13:43 Krock sfan5, make? huh
13:43 sfan5 yeah
13:43 Krock Explain me please, what you mean by "make"
13:43 LemoNlake either cmake or http://www.gnu.org/software/make/
13:43 Krock already got cmake btw
13:47 sfan5 Krock: GNU make
13:47 LemoNlake yep, that's this: http://www.gnu.org/software/make/
13:47 * whiskers75 meows at sfan5
13:47 * sfan5 meows at whiskers75
13:47 Krock sfan5, and use make on... minetest project or what?
13:48 sfan5 yes
13:48 sfan5 tell cmake to generate a makefile and use that
13:48 LemoNlake cmake for the makefile, then compile it with make
13:48 LemoNlake ?
13:49 LemonLake sfan, do you think that you or the other developers can create a c++ error screen or something of the likes?
13:49 LemonLake for example, when making a silly typo like get_palyer_name() it crashes the game without an error
13:50 sfan5 LemonLake: it should show you a luaerror
13:50 LemonLake It does not :/
13:51 sfan5 but it could be more user friendly
13:51 LemonLake Indeed
13:51 sfan5 no?
13:51 sfan5 lemme test
13:51 LemonLake I often get crashes instead of lua errors
13:51 LemonLake Usually if it's an inbuilt method I think
13:53 reactor How come I can't see my health?
13:53 sfan5 it works for me
13:53 LemonLake Strange. Must be my machine or something
13:53 LemonLake Reactor: are you in creative?
13:54 sfan5 reactor: could be an incompatible game
13:54 sfan5 (subgame)
13:54 LemonLake ^
13:54 reactor No, survival.
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13:54 reactor Updated server and client, and now it's happening.
13:54 LemonLake But what game?
13:54 LemonLake minetest_game, minetest_next, cubane?
13:54 reactor Minetest
13:54 reactor minetest_game, exactly
13:55 LemonLake That's been on hiatus for a while, tried switching to minetest_next?
13:55 reactor I didn't update the game itself, though.
13:55 reactor I can't be bothered to port the map.
13:55 Krock sfan5, I searched over google how to convert cmakelists.txt to a makefile but there wasn't anything about it. This because there's no makefile in the MT-master
13:55 sfan5 lolwat
13:55 sfan5 did you even listen
13:55 sfan5 use cmake
13:55 LemonLake To make a makefile
13:55 sfan5 tell cmake to generate a makefile
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13:56 Krock how the hell?
13:56 sfan5 you use the cmake GUI, right?
13:56 Krock ah yes, there's a gui
13:57 LemonLake Pressing generate will make the makefile for you
13:57 sfan5 Krock: do file->delete cache, then press configure, it should ask you what to generate
13:58 LemonLake there's a lot of makefile generators in there
13:58 Krock ok, I'll try
13:58 LemonLake which specific?
13:59 Krock CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly.
13:59 Krock wtf
13:59 Krock over cmd it works
13:59 Krock nvm
13:59 LemonLake Did you even configure it?
13:59 nman3600 Krock: i placed it infront of your home then took it back to show u http://imgur.com/XXf21QZ
14:06 LemonLake jk
14:06 LemonLake hm
14:06 LemonLake weird
14:07 nman3600 what is?
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14:14 sfan5 o/ jordan4ibanez
14:14 jordan4ibanez \o sfan5
14:15 nman3600 hey jordanibanez
14:16 Krock wut? lua library not found? be4 it was found
14:16 reactor Hmm. So many guests, again.
14:17 reactor Apple client allowing Guest nicks?
14:21 Megaf can anyone give me a hand with Lua? I don't know Lua yet I'm trying to do crazy things
14:21 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/101873/
14:21 sfan5 Megaf: just ask
14:22 Megaf sfan5: I asked, vua pastebin :)
14:22 Megaf s/vua/via
14:23 sfan5 Megaf:
14:24 LemonLake Is coloured text in the chat possible?
14:24 Megaf by the way, more info on lua multithreading here https://cmr.github.io/lanes/
14:24 sfan5 local lanes = require "lanes".configure()
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14:24 sfan5 f = lanes.gen(function() for i=100000,1,-1 do print(i) end end)
14:24 sfan5 f()
14:24 sfan5 f()
14:24 sfan5 done
14:24 LemonLake omg i need that so much
14:25 sfan5 LemonLake: no
14:25 LemonLake damn
14:25 LemonLake is there any sort of magical workaround?
14:25 LemonLake like drawing text to the hud, with different colours
14:26 sfan5 uh no
14:26 LemonLake Crap, is there at least a way to draw text to the hud?
14:26 LemonLake The same way you'd draw statusbars
14:26 Megaf sfan5: did not work
14:27 sfan5 Megaf: what did not work?
14:27 LemonLake ah, found the text hudtype
14:27 Megaf sfan5: the thing you just wrote here
14:28 sfan5 Megaf: what does it say? "does not work" is not very descriptive
14:28 Megaf It does not say anything
14:28 Megaf $ ./test.lua
14:28 Megaf $
14:28 Krock LU HW%Z)(/ç&"(&%)( cmake erasesall my changes
14:28 Megaf and does not do anything either
14:28 LemonLake So I'm about to create a page regarding hud creation etc, what would be an ideal name for it?
14:28 LemonLake This is on the dev wiki
14:29 nman3600 can someone help me with a texture i have the texture i made but i need the red on it a bit darker
14:29 nman3600 anyone offering to help
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14:29 LemonLake I'll help.
14:29 LemonLake Skype me the texture
14:29 nman3600 k
14:29 sfan5 tip: use mediacru.sh
14:29 Megaf I may buy a book about Lua
14:29 LemonLake nman3600; just drag/drop the file into the chat box in skype
14:29 sfan5 Megaf: maybe lua lanes does not support print in threads
14:31 jordan4ibanez Hello nman3600
14:31 * sfan5 meows at jordan4ibanez
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14:36 LemonLake Can I force respawn a player (kill them then respawn them without them having to press respawn)?
14:37 Krock player:setpos()
14:38 reactor Why aren't players automatically respawned after some delay?
14:39 LemonLake Krock, does that actually respawn them?
14:39 Krock it teleports them
14:39 LemonLake umm
14:44 nman3600 my elbows bleeding D:
14:47 Krock lol... over those 2 days, my CPU generated 4x 500 MB data and deleted it, to do the current loop
14:47 Krock well done.
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14:50 LemonLake Okay, added the hud definitions to http://dev.minetest.net/Player#Methods
14:50 LemonLake Now I have to actually make the HUD page...god damnit why
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15:07 CraigyDavi Hi everyone
15:08 nman3600 Hi CraigyDavi
15:09 reactor Why does MT server say "character conversion failed"?!
15:09 reactor Why ever need to try to convert UTF-8 into something else?!
15:10 LemonLake - number: An integer containing the RGB value of the color used to draw the text.               Specify 0xFFFFFF for white text, 0xFF0000 for red, and so on.
15:11 LemonLake sfan5: Hud text CAN accept colors.
15:11 LemonLake If I use multiple texts, I could get away with it. I only need red, white and blue.
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15:21 LemonLake http://dev.minetest.net/HUD Just finished :D
15:21 LemonLake Hmm, notes seem to bugger up the text
15:23 rubenwardy Don't you love these types of people: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=142847#p142847
15:23 LemonLake They're the best kind of people!
15:23 rubenwardy Programmers do magic things with computers, so they must be able to magically read minds
15:23 Calinou hi
15:23 LemonLake They give so much information, offer lots of help and in some cases even do it for you!
15:24 Krock rubenwardy, I <3 those people *cough*
15:24 * LemonLake chokes
15:24 nman3600 LemonLake are we gonna test it then
15:24 LemonLake Still working on it, clam down,
15:24 LemonLake I got sidetracked.
15:24 nman3600 lol clam
15:24 LemonLake Yes. Clam.
15:25 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewto​pic.php?f=17&amp;p=142860#p142860
15:25 Krock first thought: lol
15:25 Krock 2nd: wtf?
15:26 nman3600 mine was the same i just looked at that a min ago
15:26 Calinou ClamAV!
15:26 Calinou http://dev.minetest.net/HUD → ??? Some text is outside the area
15:26 LemonLake Yep, notes seem to bug out the page.
15:26 LemonLake It doesn't do it in preview mode
15:27 Krock Calinou, "hud_set_hotbar_i.." and following are bigger than normal
15:28 LemonLake Guys, I'm aware.
15:28 LemonLake I even said it twice.
15:28 Krock why not 5 times?
15:28 LemonLake I've been trying to fix {{Template:Note}} for the past 16 hours.
15:28 Krock please say again
15:29 Calinou I'm fixing it up
15:29 Krock oh. at least one who used more time on something which would have easy alternatives
15:29 LemonLake Calinou
15:29 LemonLake Don't
15:29 LemonLake I'm halfway through a major edit
15:29 Calinou <_<
15:29 Calinou I was at least going to fix styling
15:29 LemonLake That's what I'm fixing.
15:29 LemonLake I'm doing it to the entire wiki.
15:29 Calinou so I'll let you do what you're doing right now
15:29 Calinou maybe it's because you're using notes in a list
15:29 LemonLake That's the issue.
15:30 Calinou then don't do it
15:30 Calinou use italics, bold, colour
15:30 LemonLake That's what I figured out.
15:30 LemonLake They're fixed now.
15:30 Krock woo! same status as 1 hour ago. such things make me happy
15:30 LemonLake Dafuq
15:30 LemonLake Why is Template:Know yellow
15:31 LemonLake Oh I see
15:31 LemonLake Lol, okay.
15:31 Calinou http://dev.minetest.net/File:exclamation.png → not flat design :(
15:31 Calinou LemonLake, red is harder to read and looks scary
15:31 LemonLake Yeah
15:31 rubenwardy I suggest you make " 0x00FF00" slightly darker.
15:31 Calinou you can make a separate one with red background, but keep that to risks of data loss (eg. database migration)
15:31 Krock BLOOOD
15:31 LemonLake Rest of the edits are up to you guys now :P
15:32 LemonLake If you make 0x00FF00 slightly darker, be sure to change what it says too
15:32 Krock 0x1E1
15:32 LemonLake That's a dark gray
15:32 Krock that's green
15:32 Krock wait
15:32 LemonLake Oh yep, you're right
15:32 Krock * #1E1
15:32 Calinou that's green indeed
15:33 Krock now it's green
15:33 LemonLake Sorry, I read it wrong
15:33 Calinou short codes look more confusing to me than full ones, except when I'm used to it
15:33 LemonLake Yeah.
15:33 LemonLake I only use short codes in things like #999
15:33 Calinou what is #1E1? #10E010 or #1FEF1F?
15:33 Krock wut? RGB is easier to read than RRGGBB
15:33 LemonLake #11ee11
15:33 Calinou I've taught myself to read hex colours
15:33 LemonLake ^
15:33 Calinou very useful skill :P
15:34 Krock Calinou, it repeats the number before as Lemon said
15:34 LemonLake After years of web design I've never gotten used to triplet hex colors
15:34 Calinou OK
15:34 Calinou you generally don't need accuracy of full RGB though
15:34 LemonLake We do need some nicer templates for the wiki though
15:34 Krock a _always_ use #RGB, 3 numbers
15:34 Krock s/a/I
15:34 Calinou don't overuse templates
15:34 LemonLake Of course not
15:34 Calinou they put load on the server, which results in slower loading
15:34 Calinou a Note template is fine though
15:35 LemonLake Yeah, there are a lot of tl;dr people who skip the notes
15:35 LemonLake If there's a template they stand out
15:35 Vazon Hello Everyone
15:35 LemonLake Yo yo yo
15:35 Calinou hi Vazon
15:35 LemonLake Okay nman3600; teams are being added now. No more sidetrack.
15:35 Vazon Hi LemonLake and Calinou :3
15:36 PenguinDad Hello Vazon and everypony!
15:36 LemonLake Hey hey hey
15:36 Vazon Hi Penguin and..... who ever you talking to
15:37 nman3600 hi
15:37 LemonLake (stay outta my shed)
15:37 * nman3600 slowly creeps into LemonLake's shed
15:37 * LemonLake chainsaws nman3600's head off
15:37 * nman3600 makes a black hole to another dimension and sends LemonLake there
15:37 LemonLake ó.ó
15:38 LemonLake that's not correct
15:38 nman3600 6.6
15:38 LemonLake nah
15:38 LemonLake ó.ó all the way
15:38 nman3600 i can't do that face
15:38 LemonLake yes you can
15:38 LemonLake hold down alt + o
15:39 nman3600 nope
15:39 Jordach alt gr + o might do it
15:39 LemonLake Yep
15:39 LemonLake alt gr
15:39 nman3600 it's alt gr you idiot
15:39 LemonLake but on his laptop it's usually alt that works
15:39 Krock ctrl alt del
15:39 LemonLake niall
15:39 LemonLake press alt + f4 then enter immediately after
15:39 Krock doesn't work
15:40 nman3600 no
15:40 nman3600 no
15:40 nman3600 no
15:40 nman3600 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
15:40 LemonLake see
15:40 LemonLake it worked
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15:40 LemonLake mauhahaha
15:40 Krock can't reproduce
15:40 nman3600 lol i was kicked
15:40 LemonLake it worked ya wanka
15:40 LemonLake you was indeed
15:40 nman3600 ó.ó
15:40 LemonLake ¬12 test
15:40 LemonLake ¦12 test
15:40 LemonLake crude
15:41 * Krock gets error after 20min, sets a bit from 1 to 0 and waits again 20min
15:41 nman3600 áéíóú
15:41 Krock 5R5|_Y?
15:41 PenguinDad æ€→ø↓
15:41 LemonLake gonna get a new client
15:41 LemonLake webchat sucks scrotum
15:41 Krock nettalk for the win
15:42 LemonLake TAKE CONTROL
15:42 Krock Ð
15:42 LemonLake what the actual heck is that song niall
15:42 nman3600 FEEL THE ACTION
15:42 LemonLake meh
15:42 nman3600 dude it's K-391
15:42 LemonLake can we skip this one
15:42 nman3600 fine
15:43 nman3600 :(((((((((((()))))))))))))))))))))))))
15:43 * LemonLake whistles then realises he cant whistle, this is uncanny
15:47 Krock HAHA http://imgur.com/gallery/nlWK0vy
15:49 Krock Also a good one http://imgur.com/gallery/nlWK0vy
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15:50 LemonLake So that just happened.
15:50 [1]LemonLake aaaaargh
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15:55 LemonLake Okay, I'm here. Hi.
15:56 LemonLake nman3600, can you say my username please?
15:56 Calinou OrangeLake
15:56 * Calinou runs
15:56 * LemonLake finds the closest large object and gives calinou a slap with it
15:56 * rubenwardy puts a kitten on LemonLake's head
15:57 nman3600 LemonLake i am going to drop out of the wait list after this song
15:57 LemonLake And again?
15:57 nman3600 Lemonlake
15:57 nman3600 LemonLake
15:57 LemonLake Okay, works.
15:58 PenguinDad EHLO LemonLake
15:59 LemonLake nman3600: we are the robots
15:59 LemonLake This time for real; no sidetracking!
16:00 LemonLake How would I get the highest node at a certain coordinate?
16:01 Krock life is hard
16:01 Krock http://imgur.com/gallery/3KCZq9X
16:02 Calinou https://github.com/kaeza/minetest/commit/​5f6cb872604daad7dc205f3fac6787cc2ffe2322
16:02 Calinou this is great BTW
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16:07 rubenwardy Yay for A* Pathfinding! https://www.dropbox.com/s/zx​mzo8cniu3jh0q/pathfinder.png
16:08 ligeti ...
16:09 Krock rubenwardy, very nice.
16:09 rubenwardy Awesome debug log graphics XD
16:13 PenguinDad !up ghostdoge.duckdns.org
16:13 MinetestBot ghostdoge.duckdns.org:30000 is up (224ms)
16:14 ligeti is it public?
16:14 PenguinDad ligeti: not at the moment
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16:14 ligeti OK
16:14 LemonLake How would I get the highest node at a certain coordinate?
16:15 ligeti Because I am looking for a good server to play but no luck!
16:15 LemonLake Nobody? Aww...
16:15 LemonLake I'm stumped now.
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16:17 rubenwardy LemonLake: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9286
16:17 LemonLake I'll just write the spawns to a txt
16:17 LemonLake Oh neat.
16:17 LemonLake Thanks
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16:19 LemonLake Oh, that's really simple actually.
16:20 LemonLake However the voxelmanip isn't even used
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16:20 LemonLake Yes it is. I'm dumb.
16:20 LemonLake Omg no it isnt
16:22 nman3600 Krock your server is so laggy today
16:24 Krock fixed.
16:25 LemonLake omfg rofl
16:25 LemonLake http://i.imgur.com/VFjGlgP.png
16:26 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.p​hp?f=3&amp;t=9280&amp;p=142866#p142866 → lol @ re-soldering
16:26 Calinou Americans, always ready to solder things
16:27 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=17&amp;t=9345 → I have yet to see an oerkki in real life
16:28 LemonLake nman3600
16:28 LemonLake here comes hard drop
16:28 Calinou Google Chrome can speak for “malware”
16:28 LemonLake Okay, what the actual fu*k
16:29 LemonLake Calinou, all of your messages are just messed up for me
16:29 Calinou use UTF-8 encoding
16:29 LemonLake Yeah, that's a problem with hydrairc
16:29 LemonLake the only options are in a huge flipping list with no search function
16:31 LemonLake nman3600, no woot?
16:35 LemonLake File "minetestmapper2.py", line 92
16:35 LemonLake print "w="+str(w)+" h="+str(h)
16:36 LemonLake syntax error at the second "
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16:44 LemonLake I'm really annoyed because it takes ages for the schematic to be placed, so whenever there's a silly error and I fix it, i have to wait 20s for the world to load D:
16:53 LemonLake Oh neat, in the new version dropped items are 3D
16:56 Krock (me already had it before it got added to builtin)
16:58 LemonLake sound just died
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17:01 LemonLake nman3600; I think it's done.
17:01 * sfan5 meows at LemonLake
17:01 LemonLake What was that about?
17:01 sfan5 LemonLake: you can use any RGB color
17:01 * nman3600 strokes sfan5
17:01 * sfan5 meows at nman3600
17:01 nman3600 LemonLake i'm ready
17:01 LemonLake You're quite behind sfan?
17:01 sfan5 yes
17:01 * nman3600 hands sfan5 a bowl of milk
17:01 sfan5 I was not there
17:01 * sfan5 noms the bowl
17:02 LemonLake I don't even know what you're responding to.
17:02 nman3600 your color text thing i think
17:02 sfan5 <LemonLake>21 sfan5: Hud text CAN accept colors.
17:02 sfan5 <LemonLake> If I use multiple texts, I could get away with it. I only need red, white and blue.
17:02 LemonLake Well nman, I thought I had it until I renamed it then everything broke.
17:02 LemonLake I know sfan.
17:03 LemonLake My question is, can you use colors WITHIN text?
17:03 LemonLake for multi-color text?
17:03 sfan5 no
17:03 LemonLake Damn.
17:03 LemonLake I may need expert help in a minute.
17:05 LemonLake You've got to be fu*king kidding me
17:05 LemonLake Once again, the errorless crashes.
17:06 sfan5 did you look in debug.txt?
17:06 LemonLake Of course.
17:06 sfan5 paste the part where there should be an error
17:07 LemonLake Hold on,
17:08 LemonLake Nothing even gets saved to it.
17:08 LemonLake Nothing at all
17:09 sfan5 it should output something to the console at least
17:09 LemonLake http://pastebin.com/LtJEsET3
17:10 LemonLake I can tell you now that it has nothing to do with the texture.
17:10 LemonLake Though I know when it's caused.
17:10 LemonLake On a unique player's first join, they can get in.
17:10 LemonLake On their second join and every other after that, errorless crash.
17:11 sfan5 hm
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17:13 PenguinDad !up ghostdoge.duckdns.org
17:13 MinetestBot ghostdoge.duckdns.org:30000 is up (233ms)
17:13 LemonLake Would you like the source code?
17:14 Calinou hi
17:14 PenguinDad ^^ could someone please connect there
17:14 Calinou LemonLake, yes I would!
17:14 * Calinou runs
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17:27 raffahacks Hi
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17:29 raffahacks Was asking, why does mt crash with segmentation fault on start on armv7 allwinner a20?
17:30 raffahacks Can anyone help?
17:30 LemonLake Don't be surprised if you get blanked
17:31 raffahacks Why?
17:31 LemonLake You get around 30 minutes where people will actually help then everyone dies for like 3 hours
17:32 Calinou then ask on the forum, raffahacks
17:32 Calinou give more information: OS? version (Git hash if applicable)?
17:32 LemonLake sfan5, would you like the sauce?
17:33 raffahacks Os fedora 19
17:36 nman3600 i'm trying to make a window that is 3D like a window but i'm failing an struggling help pls
17:37 LemonLake 3d like a window?
17:38 LemonLake nman3600; 3d like a window?
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17:38 LemonLake dafuq
17:39 nman3600_ i've tried a nodebox editor to do it but failed
17:39 LemonLake 3d like a window?
17:39 nman3600_ yes
17:39 LemonLake yes, like i said, the nodebox editor is unreliable
17:39 LemonLake did you even try googling
17:39 nman3600_ nyep
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17:39 LemonLake if you googled you would know how to make a nodebox
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17:39 LemonLake if you googled you would know how to make a nodebox
17:40 nman3600_ i followed the video but it didn't work
17:40 LemonLake if you googled you would know how to make a nodebox
17:40 LemonLake was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
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17:40 LemonLake ffs niall
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17:41 nman3600_ dafuq there's an account that was mine called nman3600 and it won't leave
17:41 LemonLake yeah
17:41 LemonLake you timed out three times
17:41 nman3600_ ik
17:41 LemonLake https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2117
17:41 LemonLake already a mod for it
17:42 LemonLake don't reinvent the wheel
17:42 nman3600_ no not like that
17:42 nman3600_ not window panes
17:42 LemonLake oh
17:42 nman3600_ proper windows
17:42 LemonLake they thing you want is extremely annoying to make
17:42 nman3600_ someone kick nman3600
17:42 LemonLake it requires like loads of facedir checks and stuff, multiple models and possibly even it's own drawtype
17:42 LemonLake niall, they're non-exsistant
17:42 Jordach nman3600_, that won't work
17:42 nman3600_ ik
17:42 nman3600_ ;(
17:42 LemonLake you're the only one
17:42 Jordach nman3600_, you mean http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/home
17:42 LemonLake rofl what??
17:43 nman3600_ that's a fucking computer
17:43 LemonLake no its not
17:43 LemonLake and watch you're language, you're ten
17:43 nman3600_ :P
17:43 LemonLake windows is an operating system
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17:43 LemonLake get it right
17:43 nman3600_ ik it is
17:43 Calinou nice, the fact I use SSH keys asks the password in a GUI
17:43 Calinou (for Git pushing)
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17:44 LemonLake gweeeeeeese
17:44 Calinou first post-migration commit to Gitorious :)
17:44 LemonLake no buddy gonna help me
17:45 Calinou what do you need?
17:45 Calinou the height check thing?
17:45 LemonLake nein
17:45 LemonLake [18:10] <LemonLake> On a unique player's first join, they can get in.
17:45 LemonLake [18:10] <LemonLake> On their second join and every other after that, errorless crash.
17:46 Calinou did you put the source code somewhere?
17:47 LemonLake only on a private bitbucket repo
17:47 Calinou ask on the forum, if you don't get an answer here
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17:47 LemonLake i would rather not put the source code up publically until it's release
17:47 Calinou private :'(
17:47 Calinou why not?
17:47 LemonLake but I can give you it
17:47 LemonLake over query
17:47 LemonLake give me a moment
17:47 Calinou you'd benefit much more from it
17:47 Calinou people would be actually able to help :P
17:47 LemonLake well okay
17:47 Calinou I don't think I can help you by myself
17:47 LemonLake but let me change account
17:47 Calinou I'm not a very experimented Lua programmer
17:47 LemonLake to be honest i hate forums
17:47 LemonLake and the forums
17:48 LemonLake okay, re-committing
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17:52 nman3600 hi
17:52 Calinou hi nman3600
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17:52 Calinou nman3600, what kind of windows were you asking for?
17:52 nman3600 Calinout a window node
17:52 LemonLake He wanted fancy models with like windowsills and stuff
17:52 nman3600 Calinou*
17:52 Calinou if you just want framed glass, it's easy to make
17:52 Calinou there's a drawtype for it
17:53 LemonLake He wanted fancy models with like windowsills and stuff
17:53 nman3600 i tried doing it with nodebox editor but fail
17:53 LemonLake Calinou, we've already established it's not possible
17:53 LemonLake Well it is but it's insanely complicated and he'd never understand
17:54 nman3600 i'm only ten  :o
17:54 LemonLake Calinou: https://bitbucket.org/Lemon​Lake/ace-of-picks/overview
17:56 LemonLake The main code is in the default mod
17:56 LemonLake Mostly in ace.lua
17:58 Calinou <nman3600> i'm only ten  :o
17:58 Calinou age doesn't mean much
17:58 LemonLake ^
17:59 Calinou to design nodeboxes well, you need to be good at maths, and visualizing stuff “in your head”, if you're not using the editor
17:59 LemonLake And, let's beat it, the editor isn't very reliable
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17:59 LemonLake I'm thinking of making a new one.
17:59 nman3600 i used to be good at maths
17:59 LemonLake Opinions everyone?
17:59 rubenwardy It is quite buggy ATM
17:59 nman3600 LemonLake DO ITTT
17:59 LemonLake There's no such thing as 'used to be good'
17:59 nman3600 i'm failing at most maths now
18:00 LemonLake Because you don't bother.
18:00 Calinou I've never managed to run the editor
18:00 LemonLake Aiight, the git is synced
18:00 Calinou LemonLake, how is it not reliable?
18:00 LemonLake It's just very, very buggy.
18:00 LemonLake The concept and design are fabulous
18:00 LemonLake The bugs just need to be killed and it's top notch.
18:00 Calinou yeah, it does feel “patchy”, even judging by the looks
18:01 Calinou it's the GTKRadiant of Minetest :D
18:01 LemonLake haha
18:01 nman3600 how is this supposed to help me make the window
18:01 LemonLake Rubenwardy, have you worked on NBE in a while?
18:01 rubenwardy LemonLake: there is a version in development that has a lot of bugs fixed, but I can't release it yet as ShadNinja is working on it
18:01 LemonLake Ah, okay
18:01 rubenwardy Report bugs here: https://github.com/rubenwardy/N​odeBoxEditor/issues?state=open
18:01 LemonLake nman3600, look at that rain
18:01 LemonLake so thin but so heavy
18:01 Calinou be sure to put licensing information about your game
18:02 rubenwardy I would also be interesting in seening videos of people using the editor, so I can improve it
18:02 LemonLake Yeah, I'm halfway through that.
18:02 Calinou look at how Carbone does it ;)
18:02 LemonLake Right now I just want to get it working.
18:02 rubenwardy *seeing
18:02 Calinou (separate file to not clog up the main README)
18:02 LemonLake I've got one I want to report
18:02 LemonLake I'll do that now
18:02 nman3600 i give uo
18:02 nman3600 up*
18:02 Calinou you only have 4 mods in your game?
18:03 Calinou no bucket, fire and such?
18:03 Calinou or are you halfway committing stuff?
18:03 LemonLake Yep.
18:03 LemonLake It's practically minimal.
18:03 LemonLake Most of it will be custom
18:03 Calinou :( that makes a game feel incomplete
18:03 LemonLake Trust me, it's more beyond the building
18:03 LemonLake It's mostly fighting
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18:03 Calinou Ace of Spades-like game? then it's fine
18:03 Calinou good idea, actually
18:03 LemonLake Yeah.
18:03 LemonLake It's ace of spades for minetest.
18:04 LemonLake Not the valve one, the original BuildnShoot one
18:04 Calinou I've played OpenSpades (compatible client) for 5 minutes, lol
18:04 LemonLake A few minetesty touches to it along with a few extra features
18:04 Calinou couldn't alt-tab, couldn't limit FPS or set vsync…
18:04 LemonLake Yeah, the original game has fallen behind since Valve acquired it.
18:05 LemonLake I think they reverse-developed it.
18:05 Calinou LemonLake, you may want to look at Carbone's throwing mod: it has golden arrows (more damage than normal ones), teleport arrows (similar to ender pearls)…
18:05 Calinou Valve acquired it? :o
18:05 Calinou OpenSpades is a compatible client, so it can be called a bit reverse engineering
18:05 Calinou it's a good thing we have it
18:05 LemonLake http://aceofspades.com/
18:05 Calinou it looks good, too
18:05 LemonLake That's valve's one now.
18:05 LemonLake Not the biggest fan of it, but I really enjoy the block falling feature.
18:06 LemonLake rubenwardy, I gave a quick issue.
18:06 Calinou block falling?
18:06 LemonLake If blocks are not attached to anything, (i.e floating), they fall.
18:06 LemonLake Like if you knock out the pillars of a huge structure, it will fall and crumble
18:07 Calinou also, what is this: https://bitbucket.org/LemonLake/ace-of-pic​ks/src/578abd74e5f62ef7b312da82686508ffb65​ce3f9/mods/default/falling.lua?at=master
18:07 LemonLake That's what the trees use.
18:07 LemonLake And many other blocks will too
18:07 Calinou default game doesn't have it
18:07 Calinou that's why I was asking :P
18:07 LemonLake If you knock out a tree, the rest falls like normal falling nodes
18:07 LemonLake Except when they land, they drop an item instead of settling like a normal block
18:07 Calinou OK
18:09 nman3600 how to make a hole in node box
18:09 LemonLake You don't
18:09 Calinou you'll need to use several nodeboxes
18:09 LemonLake You make several around it
18:10 Calinou usually 2 to 4
18:10 nman3600 ohk
18:10 Calinou nodeboxes are actually pretty logical
18:10 LemonLake Each nodebox is just another cube
18:10 LemonLake As long as you can work out the values, you're good to go
18:11 rubenwardy LemonLake: replied
18:13 ShadowNinja whiskers75: NO. MORE. BOTS.
18:14 LemonLake ó.ó
18:14 LemonLake Hey Shadow, could you have a look at something for me?
18:15 Jordach I FRIGGIN CALLED IT
18:15 ShadowNinja LemonLake: Sure, what is it?
18:15 LemonLake Basically, when a new player (unique username) joins, they can join and play perfectly fine.
18:15 LemonLake As soon as they join for a second time, however, the game crashes with no error.
18:15 LemonLake https://bitbucket.org/LemonLake/ace-of-picks/
18:16 ShadowNinja LemonLake: Latest Git?
18:16 LemonLake Yep.
18:16 LemonLake Latest.
18:17 ShadowNinja LemonLake: Hmmm, that shouldn't happen.  Are you on Linux or BSD?
18:18 LemonLake Neither, Windows
18:18 LemonLake It's a problem in my code.
18:18 LemonLake I get errorless crashes if there's a problem in lua.
18:18 Krock how do I cut off the end of a string if it's too long?
18:18 LemonLake Usually when it's a thing like a method that's not being called properly.
18:18 Krock (lua)
18:18 LemonLake Trim or substring
18:19 Krock ok thx
18:19 LemonLake substring only*
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18:19 rubenwardy The thing with NBE, is that I can not fix bugs if I do not know about them (LemonLake, Calinou). Thank you for reporting that bug, though, LemonLake.
18:20 LemonLake np
18:20 nman3600 it didn;t work
18:20 nman3600 wait
18:20 LemonLake Niall
18:20 nman3600 yes
18:20 LemonLake You're gonna be making at least four different models.
18:20 LemonLake If not more
18:21 LemonLake Don't bother!
18:21 rubenwardy There are two thing that irrate me: I can't work out how to fix Calinou's problem, and I don't know why the top right viewport is so messed up.
18:21 Jordach lel
18:22 nman3600 :( i really wanted to make the window
18:22 ShadowNinja Aaaaand minetestserver went to 70% mem and locked up my computer.
18:22 Jordach <- reasons why i prefer blender for nodeboxing
18:22 LemonLake You can use blender for nodeboxes???/
18:22 LemonLake :D
18:22 Jordach i once did it
18:22 Jordach takes a while to do it
18:22 ShadowNinja I'm still waiting on lzma to compress a map backup.
18:22 Jordach but i might make a basic tutoral with sound and shiz
18:23 nman3600 i don't have blender!!!!!!!!!!
18:23 LemonLake Niall
18:23 LemonLake Calm the hell down
18:23 LemonLake I said don't bother for now
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18:24 LemonLake Shadow, are you testing it?
18:24 ShadowNinja LemonLake: That shouldn't happen, I added error handlers to everything that calls Lua and it should print a traceback.
18:24 ShadowNinja LemonLake: Nope, busy with other things ATM.
18:24 LemonLake Weird
18:25 ShadowNinja LemonLake: Must be a Windows issue.  Install Lunux.  ;-)
18:26 LemonLake Working on that right now :)
18:26 LemonLake It's a matter of compiling it on linux
18:27 SnowD So, when will minetest be able to replace Minec*aft?
18:27 LemonLake When the community grows but doesn't turn into 6 year old kids trying to act smart and ruining everything
18:27 SnowD That's a thing that happened?
18:28 SnowD I had no idea :I
18:28 LemonLake Have you not seen the minecraft community?
18:28 SnowD Well, I'm part of it.
18:28 reactor Congratulations.
18:28 SnowD but I'm still interested in open-source projects
18:28 LemonLake Okay :)
18:28 SnowD which is why I'm here ;D
18:29 LemonLake Whoa
18:29 LemonLake linux cinnamon looks sexy
18:29 LemonLake definitely getting it
18:29 SnowD I tried Minetest a few times, last time not too long ago
18:29 SnowD It looks
18:29 SnowD alpha
18:29 reactor LemonLake: users like you are ruining UNIX.
18:29 SnowD xD
18:29 LemonLake "users like you are ruining UNIX."
18:29 LemonLake Can you elaborate?
18:30 SnowD mapgen was pretty boring and it crashed/hung
18:30 SnowD but that aside, it was promising!
18:30 Calinou Minetest shouldn't crash, since like 2011
18:30 LemonLake The modding API definitely needs to be improved
18:30 LemonLake Actually, devs, out of interest
18:30 Calinou the mapgen has jungles and dungeons but they are not present by default
18:30 nman3600 ooh maybe adding a poster to my mod and it'll be a poster of the minetest logo
18:31 LemonLake Could I even start helping with expanding the Lua API?
18:31 Calinou LemonLake, #minetest-dev
18:31 SnowD well, the map was like stone hills as far as I could see/walk xD
18:31 Calinou you need C++ knowledge
18:31 LemonLake Which I have quite a bit of.
18:31 Calinou you need to be familiar with the code base first
18:31 LemonLake I mean, if I were to make active pull requests would they be happy to take them
18:31 LemonLake That may take some time
18:31 ShadowNinja SnowD: That's the expirimental v7 mapgen, use v6.
18:31 Calinou which kind of features would you make?
18:31 Calinou communication is important: talk before implementing
18:31 ShadowNinja SnowD: v7 requires a game that adds biomes for it.
18:31 Calinou this may avoid you crying due to one of your PRs not being merged
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18:32 LemonLake I'm unsure yet.
18:32 Calinou or worse, being closed immediatly
18:32 LemonLake What would you guys like to see?
18:32 whiskers75 ShadowNinja: what?
18:32 whiskers75 I got pinged
18:32 ShadowNinja LemonLake: http://dev.minetest.net/TODO
18:33 ShadowNinja whiskers75: No more bots.
18:33 LemonLake Oh neat
18:33 LemonLake "craft recipe drawing support"?
18:33 whiskers75 ShadowNinja: :( why not, out of interest?
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18:34 LemonLake Creating the VDI now
18:34 ShadowNinja whiskers75: Because you flood with them and don't ask to bring them in.
18:35 whiskers75 OK, I won't join any bots.
18:36 Calinou “     Add configuration for DungeonGen
18:36 Calinou Add configuration for CaveGen ”
18:36 Calinou how easy are these items, ShadowNinja?
18:36 Calinou are these just minetest.conf settings?
18:36 LemonLake What's craft recipe drawing support?
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18:36 ShadowNinja Calinou: Sounds like just adding some g_settings->get() calls with proper caching.
18:37 LemonLake ^
18:37 Calinou you could do that :P
18:37 Calinou as a training
18:37 LemonLake Me?
18:37 SnowD I cannot scroll inside minetest menus
18:38 LemonLake Sounds basic, sounds good
18:38 LemonLake just gotta wait half an hour for the VDI
18:38 Calinou SnowD, there's an handle at the right
18:38 Calinou VDI?
18:38 LemonLake Virtual Disk Image
18:38 LemonLake my linux machine is dead
18:38 LemonLake so I'm using a VM
18:38 whiskers75 Linux ftw
18:38 Calinou a kernel ftw
18:39 whiskers75 pls
18:39 whiskers75 pls(tm) ftw
18:39 SnowD yea, but
18:40 SnowD that's what a scrollwheel is for
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18:40 LemonLake Hey PilzAdam, can you look at something for me?
18:40 ShadowNinja SnowD: Works for me.
18:40 SnowD strange
18:40 ShadowNinja SnowD: Irrlicht probably handles that.
18:41 SnowD oops
18:41 SnowD I accidentialy closed the game
18:42 SnowD but yea, tried the scrolling in the menu under Online Mod Repository
18:42 ShadowNinja Anyone know of a good host for a 1.3GB gziped tarball?
18:43 LemonLake If you've completed getting started on dropbox you get 50gb free sapce
18:43 LemonLake space
18:43 SnowD for some reason I cannot close the modstore anymore...
18:45 nman3600 what was the forum page for raillike again
18:45 ShadowNinja This is going to take a while to upload...
18:45 LemonLake Jsjzjsjzs niall, use google!
18:45 SnowD btw, why does the player have no arm?
18:45 LemonLake It does?
18:45 nman3600 LemonLake i did
18:45 nman3600 i can't find the page i used b4
18:46 Vazon ShadowNinja: is there a reason the chainsaw in the technic mod will not work on claimed areas?? im using you areas mod
18:47 SnowD I pressed "leave the game", but the console's still here...
18:47 LemonLake I'm gonna eat while this VDI is being created. See ya in a bit, fellas.
18:48 SnowD Well, I do see why Minetest isn't ready to replace "that one other game" yet.
18:50 ShadowNinja Vazon: Yes, that would be a breach or protection.
18:50 Vazon mhmm even is the player owns that land?
18:51 ShadowNinja Vazon: In that case it should work.
18:51 Vazon mhmm well isnt isnt on my server :|
18:51 Vazon it just drains the saws charge and then nothing happens to the tree
18:51 ShadowNinja SnowD: What were the last few lines in the console?
18:52 SnowD does the console save a log?
18:53 SnowD found it
18:53 SnowD it's
18:53 SnowD 20:48:11: INFO: event_handler(): Ctrl+C, Close Event, Logoff Event or Shutdown Event, shutting down.
18:54 ShadowNinja Hmmm, it should have exited shortly after that.
18:54 SnowD yea
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18:59 LemonLake SnowD
19:00 SnowD LemonLake
19:00 LemonLake To be honest, I'm speaking from my own mind here but I think a lot of us can relate
19:00 NakedFury hello channel
19:00 LemonLake Minetest isn't supposed to 'replace' Minecraft
19:00 LemonLake The game, while inspired by Minecraft, is going to be different
19:00 SnowD I know.
19:00 nman3600 ugh i forgot the page i've got the poster set as "signlike"
19:00 LemonLake I know a lot of people say that, but it's true
19:00 SnowD Nothing will be able to, anyways.
19:00 nman3600 but it doesn't work best
19:01 LemonLake It's similar to minecraft because that's what people like nowadays.
19:01 LemonLake But they can enjoy a completely different experience.
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19:05 LemonLake The mint is being installed, let's party!
19:06 nman3600 instead of {-0.5, -0.5, -0.5, 0.5, -0.4, 0.5}, for walls what is the one for floor?
19:06 LemonLake Look at slabs :D
19:06 nman3600 i mean floors then walls
19:06 nman3600 what is it for walls
19:06 LemonLake Oh.
19:06 LemonLake Play around with the values
19:07 nman3600 ka
19:07 LemonLake Oi niall
19:07 LemonLake https://code.google.com/p/sproxel/
19:07 LemonLake https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7102
19:07 LemonLake See if you can work that out.
19:07 LemonLake It'll help a lot
19:08 LemonLake Then when NBE 0.6.4 is released and stable, switch to that
19:10 nman3600 is it easy to use?
19:10 LemonLake Never tried it.
19:10 LemonLake Just googled it.
19:12 nman3600 testing in a few mins
19:12 LemonLake Don't ask me how to set it up because I don't have a clue
19:13 LemonLake I'm installing Mint right now, anyway.
19:13 nman3600 well i had to get sproxel itself and the plugin for minetest that
19:14 LemonLake Come look at how fancy mint is
19:15 rubenwardy LemonLake: Building a windows build for Node Box Editor 0.6.4
19:15 rubenwardy Soon to be released (TM)
19:16 LemonLake Woo!
19:16 LemonLake If you have a Linux build coming out I'm happy to test it on my mint when it's done
19:16 LemonLake It's installing the system now, then I have to get apps
19:18 LemonLake Do I have to compile minetest?
19:18 LemonLake I don't think it's much of an issue to but do I?
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19:19 Mikerhinos hi
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19:20 LemonLake Sorry, I closed IRC by accident.
19:20 LemonLake Did I miss anytin?
19:22 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Fix setThreadName support for BSD 31f9912e9e 2014-05-26T15:20:06-04:00 http://git.io/aZKx5w
19:22 LemonLake :DDD
19:25 rubenwardy BRB
19:25 rubenwardy LemonLake: You don't need to compile minetest to use NBE
19:26 LemonLake What?
19:26 LemonLake rubenwardy, I need to compile minetest on my mint...
19:28 reactor So the problem with Russian lies in std::string wide_to_narrow(const std::wstring& wcs)
19:28 reactor wcstombs() fails
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19:32 reactor *slow clap* Set the locale, it started printing litle squares.
19:32 reactor Despite IRC supporting UTF-8 properly.
19:33 LemonLake nman3600 has the attention span of a goldfish
19:33 LemonLake I bloody hate it
19:35 nman3600 BHEIASDas
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19:37 LemonLake How do you set your nick in xchat?
19:37 LemonLake Mine is stuck on 'arnold'
19:37 nman3600 LemonLake i'm so stupid i can find the raillike page i used in my history LOL
19:38 LemonLake Nevermind.
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19:40 LemonLake_Mint Et voilà
19:40 LemonLake_Mint This is what happens when I find out software is shipped with operating systems. I make accounts for them.
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19:43 nman3600 found it!
19:44 LemonLake_Mint Good for you
19:44 nman3600 took me  ages
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19:46 Jordach LemonLake_Mint, just use one name
19:46 Jordach much easier to do
19:47 LemonLake_Mint Jordach, I have three computers.
19:47 Jordach LemonLake_Mint, use a bouncer or something
19:47 LemonLake I had to set up the NickServ.
19:47 LemonLake That's why I was on _Mint
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19:51 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=142893#p142893
19:51 rubenwardy !title
19:51 MinetestBot rubenwardy: [Editor] Node Box Editor [0.6.4 -!- bug fixes] - Minetest Forums
19:51 rubenwardy LemonLake, Calinou ^
19:52 LemonLake Hell yeah!
19:52 LemonLake Has it been tested on linux?
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19:52 LemonLake I'm on my mint now, and I love it so much.
19:52 rubenwardy Calinou: can you try to build the latest version, to see if the error persists
19:52 rubenwardy LemonLake: it has been tested on Ubuntu
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19:54 LemonLake Aight
19:56 nman3600 i've only just made one nod within one hour it was a hard node to make
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20:11 Jordach >hard nodew
20:12 Jordach seriously
20:12 Jordach i spent a few hours on my liquid tanks alone
20:12 reactor I still don't get it how to set up UTF-8 support.
20:13 Jordach it's so weird without my neckbeard
20:13 reactor I've set LANG environment, now "conversion failed" is gone, but I see rectanbles instead of Russian letters.
20:23 Megaf LemonLake: You could give a try to Mint Debian
20:24 LemonLake I'm fine with this
20:25 LemonLake MRW "the package 'vlc' is already installed": http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-c​ontent/gallery/wtf/wtf%20(2).gif
20:26 Megaf It's such fun to read the server log and read the conversations
20:26 Megaf in real time
20:26 LemonLake Haha
20:27 Megaf LemonLake: Best Mint Eva! http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
20:28 LemonLake I like regular Mint Cinnamon
20:28 LemonLake Not a fan of Debian
20:28 Megaf Debian for stability
20:30 LemonLake nman3600
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20:38 john_minetest Hello everypony
20:38 LemonLake Okay, time to get stuff.
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20:38 Megaf Hey john_minetest
20:39 LemonLake Hey john_minetest
20:39 SoniEx2 I have a question about games
20:39 SoniEx2 are 8388607 node IDs enough?
20:40 LemonLake Is that how many you're using?
20:40 SoniEx2 I mean
20:40 SoniEx2 games in general
20:40 SoniEx2 which use blocks/nodes/cubes for their maps
20:40 LemonLake It's rare that that limit will be reached.
20:40 LemonLake But it's better to be on the safe side. You never know.
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20:46 Megaf I was told the map was infinite
20:46 LemonLake Around 32768 in all axis I think
20:46 LemonLake If not, infinite
20:47 Megaf well, just teleport to 32700 and fly fast to see what happens
20:47 Piggybear87 "public Server List" is crashing my client. Any ideas?
20:47 Jordach Megaf, i once did that by modifying the map limit
20:48 Jordach the world will continue upto ~32600
20:48 Jordach after that place IT WILL INSTANT crash
20:48 LemonLake 32768 it is
20:48 LemonLake because it's a power of two
20:48 ShadowNinja The map generator stops at 30912.
20:48 LemonLake It probably crashes because it's trying to load beyond that
20:48 LemonLake Well there you go
20:48 SoniEx2 meh
20:49 SoniEx2 minecraft worlds are better than minetest worlds
20:49 Piggybear87 Anyone?
20:49 LemonLake Can you stop comparing Minetest to Minecraft?
20:49 LemonLake Piggybear87, are you under a proxy/firewall?
20:49 SoniEx2 but minecraft is infinite
20:49 LemonLake No, it's not.
20:49 LemonLake There is no such thing as 'infinite'
20:49 LemonLake At least not in computer terms.
20:49 Piggybear87 No clue.
20:49 SoniEx2 well it's 2^32 = infinite
20:50 Jordach generalized infinity and true infinity are usually merged for human terma
20:50 ShadowNinja SoniEx2: No, MineCraft has a bigger horizontal limit, but a much lower vertical limit.
20:50 LemonLake ^
20:50 Jordach still not cubically generated
20:50 ShadowNinja SoniEx2: 2^16 is close enough to infinite for anyone.
20:50 LemonLake My favourite thing about minetest worlds is that it's ~30k on the Y axis, too.
20:50 LemonLake You can have really deep mineshafts, instead of hitting 'bedrock'
20:50 LemonLake And you can build the tallest buildings you'll ever need
20:51 ShadowNinja ^
20:51 Jordach however
20:51 SoniEx2 ShadowNinja, as if there aren't ppl trying to make it vertically "infinite"
20:51 Jordach AT LEAST i WONT have to dig down 4km to get my special ores
20:51 LemonLake As well as this, it loads 'quicker'
20:51 LemonLake it gets loaded in 80x80x80 nodes, or 5x5x5 blocks
20:51 LemonLake whereas minecraft loads rougly 80x80 øn xz, but the entire y axis
20:52 LemonLake okay, mint gives me fancy characters. øøøeæø¢→eæ
20:52 ShadowNinja Jordach: In MC that isn't even an option, so ores have to be really scarce but shallow.
20:52 Jordach <- can get MC diamonds within the hour, in minetest? not even within a few hours in minetest
20:52 LemonLake That's why we have mods
20:52 ShadowNinja Jordach: In Minetest mining is certainly a lot harder.
20:53 LemonLake Adds to the challenge
20:53 Jordach ShadowNinja, that's amplified in BFD
20:53 SoniEx2 the only problem with Minecraft is Java
20:53 LemonLake ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6
20:53 LemonLake yes.
20:53 LemonLake 100% agree
20:54 SoniEx2 and notch
20:54 LemonLake nah, Notch is a cool guy.
20:54 SoniEx2 because of the 1000's of lines of bad code
20:54 LemonLake 'spaghetti code'
20:54 Jordach to be fair it wasn't a sandbox when it started
20:54 Piggybear87 How do I tell if I'm behind a firewall or proxy? I'm used to Windows, not linux.
20:54 LemonLake I wouldn't judge somebody by their ability to write clean code
20:55 LemonLake That's just out.
20:55 Jordach Piggybear87, firewall is like the windows one, except user apps aren't instantly blocked by the zealois firewall
20:55 ShadowNinja Piggybear87: Um, most distors don't come with a firewall by default.  It isn't necessary.
20:56 ShadowNinja Piggybear87: Your router will still filter things though.
20:56 Piggybear87 So why can't I connect to any servers? The game crashes when I click "public server list".
20:58 john_minetest Then it is no firewall problem.
20:58 john_minetest Try another version of the game.
20:59 john_minetest And post the debug.txt to pastie.org or similar so we can see what goes wrong there.
21:03 Piggybear87 There's nothing in the debug.txt. It just closes.
21:03 LemonLake ^
21:03 LemonLake Errorless crash, just what I had.
21:04 john_minetest Windows... :P
21:04 LemonLake I'm on Linux now.,
21:04 LemonLake Compiling the game, then gonna test it again.
21:04 john_minetest Then attach gdb to it.
21:04 Piggybear87 I'm ON Linux....
21:04 LemonLake I haven't tested it yet, if you haven't read my previous messages.
21:04 john_minetest if it crashes, gdb can give you informations about what goes wrong.
21:04 Piggybear87 Ok, I will get that.
21:05 john_minetest "gdb minetest"
21:05 john_minetest then type "run" and press enter.
21:05 john_minetest when it crashes, type "bt" and enter. Copy the whole output to some pastebin
21:05 LemonLake I'm downloading gdb now.
21:06 LemonLake But I'm 60% compiling minetest. Gonna test before I gdb.
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21:09 LemonLake 95% im so hyped
21:09 Piggybear87 While I'm waiting for this to download, anyone know how to switch Lubuntu's clock to non 24hr?
21:10 LemonLake Right click it, it's in there if I remember right
21:10 Piggybear87 Yeah. but I don't know how to change it.
21:10 LemonLake Actually, it's usually a locale thing
21:11 Piggybear87 The clock format is %R Do I change that to something else? and if so, what?
21:13 LemonLake %a %b %e, %H:%M
21:13 LemonLake That's on mint
21:13 LemonLake Go to System -> Administration -> Language Support
21:14 LemonLake On the Text Tab, choose your prefered language to display numbers, dates, ...
21:14 LemonLake Just look around in language support
21:14 Piggybear87 That added Day, month, and date, which is cool, but it's still 24hr.
21:14 LemonLake OH
21:14 LemonLake You want 12 hr
21:14 Piggybear87 Yeah. Lol.
21:14 LemonLake %h:%m
21:14 LemonLake %I:%M %p
21:14 LemonLake sorry, ^
21:15 Piggybear87 THERE we go. Thanks!
21:15 LemonLake Np
21:15 LemonLake Just add on %a %b %e, if you wish for the date etc
21:16 LemonLake Okay, my minetest is glitched out on Mint
21:16 Piggybear87 Black sky and no inv textures?
21:17 LemonLake All the window borders go black, my wallpaper has disappeared, and the actual game graphics are always on top
21:18 LemonLake Any ideas?
21:20 Piggybear87 Is that what's wrong?
21:20 LemonLake Yes.
21:21 LemonLake My entire system graphics are glitched out.
21:21 LemonLake I'm gonna shut down and look in the VM settings, AFK
21:21 SoniEx2 lol VM
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21:23 nman3600 hai
21:23 nman3600 http://pastebin.com/XXJ9mtPu
21:23 Piggybear87 OK, I got the degug thing. How do I use it?
21:23 nman3600 HALP
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21:24 LemonLake Don't 'lol VM' me
21:24 LemonLake As I've said before, my actual machine is borked.
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21:25 Piggybear87 LemonLake,
21:25 Piggybear87 OK, I got the degug thing. How do I use it?
21:25 LemonLake Yo
21:25 nman3600 halp i don't see how this is an error http://pastebin.com/XXJ9mtPu
21:25 LemonLake I'm actually unsure at this point
21:25 SoniEx2 LemonLake, kill it with fire?
21:25 LemonLake I'm trying to get Minetest working first
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21:25 LemonLake It just like murders my graphics
21:25 Piggybear87 john_minetest,
21:25 Piggybear87 OK, I got the degug thing. How do I use it?
21:25 LemonLake nman, you're missing }
21:26 nman3600 where tho cuz when i put it where it said b4 it didn't work same error
21:29 john_minetest Piggybear87: As I said before
21:29 john_minetest <john_minetest> "gdb minetest"
21:29 john_minetest <john_minetest> then type "run" and press enter.
21:29 john_minetest <john_minetest> when it crashes, type "bt" and enter. Copy the whole output to some pastebin
21:30 john_minetest Like http://pastie.org
21:30 john_minetest Then the almighty devs can see what is going wrong ;)
21:30 Piggybear87 I can't even FIND gbd. How do I use it. Lol.
21:30 john_minetest in commandline
21:31 john_minetest You know, that black window with the white text.
21:31 Piggybear87 It's saying I have to sudo apt-get it. I just now downloaded it through synaptic.
21:31 john_minetest It doesn't matter
21:32 john_minetest It shouldn't
21:32 Piggybear87 It shouldn't what?
21:32 john_minetest There shouldn't be any difference if you use synaptic or apt-get.
21:33 john_minetest Are you using ubuntu?
21:33 Piggybear87 I know. I Have it, but I can't find it.
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21:33 Piggybear87 Lubuntu.
21:33 john_minetest okay, then open lxde terminal.
21:33 Piggybear87 It's open.
21:34 john_minetest Do you know how to use it?
21:34 Piggybear87 Some parts. I'm new to Linux.
21:34 john_minetest Okay, type in "ls" to list all the files.
21:34 john_minetest type in "cd <directory name>" to change to a directory in the current folder.
21:35 john_minetest Use this method to navigate into the folder where minetest is.
21:35 Piggybear87 Like cd home... or...?
21:36 Piggybear87 OK. got it.
21:37 john_minetest Okay, you are in the minetest folder now with "world/" and "bin/" and everything in it now?
21:37 john_minetest and "textures" (world is only in there if you already created a world)
21:37 Piggybear87 I'm in /.minetest
21:38 john_minetest what does "ls" tell you?
21:38 john_minetest is there a folder "bin" and "textures" and "games"?
21:38 Piggybear87 cache  client  debug.txt  minetest.conf  mods  worlds
21:40 john_minetest umm, it seems that some stuff is missing if those are the only things in that folder.
21:40 john_minetest Or did you only list the ones I didn't list?
21:40 john_minetest Just do "ls" and paste the output here without changing it.
21:41 Piggybear87 That's what I just did.
21:41 john_minetest There are some things missing...
21:41 Piggybear87 Then is it a Minetest fail?
21:41 john_minetest Did you compile minetest from scratch or did you install it from some repository?
21:41 john_minetest (so via synaptics)
21:41 Piggybear87 Synaptic.
21:41 john_minetest Okay, the situation is a little bit different.
21:42 john_minetest Do "cd /usr/bin". Then do " ls | grep minetest ".
21:42 john_minetest Paste the output here.
21:44 john_minetest Done?
21:44 Jordach do not paste the output here
21:44 Jordach use a goddamn pastebin
21:44 john_minetest It should be 2 words.
21:45 john_minetest "minetest" and "minetestserver"
21:45 john_minetest One line.
21:45 Piggybear87 I don't get it. I'm up to "T3882:/usr/bin$
21:45 Piggybear87 "
21:46 john_minetest Okay.
21:46 john_minetest Then do "ls | grep minetest"
21:46 john_minetest Does it say "minetest" (and maybe also "minetestserver"?
21:46 asl just typing `which minetest` should tell you where it is
21:46 Piggybear87 No output, just gave me another line.
21:47 john_minetest Do what asl just said. Type ´which minetest´
21:47 john_minetest asl
21:47 john_minetest asl: Thx, didn't know that one yet ;)
21:49 Piggybear87 GAH! I'm too stupid for Linux!
21:49 Jordach Piggybear87, you'll adjust
21:49 john_minetest What happens?
21:49 john_minetest Piggybear87 ^
21:49 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix misplaced selection box in some situations ab75b1b923 2014-05-26T22:47:40+02:00 http://git.io/9xq80g
21:49 Jordach IT IS VERY different until you get used to that terminal :P
21:49 Piggybear87 I'm stuck!
21:50 john_minetest Where are you stuck? Does it print out nothing? Does it print out an error? Did it hang up?
21:50 Piggybear87 I'm still at /usr/bin$
21:51 john_minetest Yeah.
21:51 john_minetest This is no problem.
21:51 john_minetest Just type in "which minetest"
21:52 john_minetest Does it give you an output? If yes, what is the output?
21:52 Piggybear87 outputs "/usr/games/minetest
21:52 Piggybear87 "
21:52 john_minetest Ah, great.
21:52 asl lol, it put it in games
21:52 john_minetest Piggybear87: Then do "cd /usr/games/minetest" now to change to that directory that contains minetest.
21:53 VanessaE hi
21:53 Piggybear87 I just put "cd /usr/games" <enter> and typed "minetest" <enter> and it launcehed the game.
21:54 john_minetest uh, right
21:54 john_minetest Okay, you are still in /usr/games now?
21:54 Piggybear87 Yes
21:54 john_minetest Now type in "gdb minetest"
21:55 Piggybear87 The program 'gdb' can be found in the following packages:
21:55 Piggybear87 * gdb
21:55 Piggybear87 * gdb-minimal
21:55 Piggybear87 Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package>
21:55 Piggybear87 But I have it!
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21:55 john_minetest Well, if it doesn't want, just do "sudo apt-get install gdb"
21:56 john_minetest When it is installed, try "gdb minetest" again.
21:58 john_minetest Tell me when it works.
22:02 Piggybear87 That;s too much to paste.
22:02 Piggybear87 That's*
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22:05 LemonLake I has returned.
22:05 LemonLake Okay, this is f'd up
22:05 LemonLake I'm gonna record this
22:05 LemonLake Brb
22:06 john_minetest Piggybear87: It should show some text about version and such things. Then it shows "(gdb)". Write "run" and press enter.
22:06 john_minetest When it crashes, type "bt" in the console. Paste the whole thing since you started gdb to pastie.org or a similar pastebin.
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22:07 Piggybear87 I did that and it launched Minetest. I clicked "public sever list" and it froze the whole window. I can't get rid of it...
22:07 john_minetest yeah
22:07 john_minetest this is no problem.
22:07 john_minetest go to console. It should say (gdb) again.
22:08 john_minetest type "bt" and press enter.
22:08 john_minetest Copy ALL of the gdb output to pastie.org or a similar pastebin.
22:08 Piggybear87 http://pastie.org/9220398
22:09 LemonLake Got a vid for you, uploading now.
22:09 john_minetest Piggybear87: Hmm, can you also post the stuff before that? So from gdb version informaton to the last line.
22:11 LemonLake Uploading
22:11 john_minetest Piggybear87: Btw, when you have finished, you can type "quit" to quit gdb. The minetest window will close on its own.
22:12 Piggybear87 This is everything...    http://pastie.org/9220414
22:12 LemonLake Aeueguh processing
22:13 john_minetest Piggybear87: Thanks for that one. I will post it as an issue on github, some dev will look at this as soon as possible.
22:14 Piggybear87 Ok. Thanks.
22:14 john_minetest So this error occurs when you choose the "server" tab? or only when you click on a server?
22:14 LemonLake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlM2A7nyS3U
22:14 LemonLake Please watch
22:15 Piggybear87 When I click the "Public server list" checkbox. It crashes the game.
22:19 LemonLake Nobody gonna help me?
22:22 Piggybear87 I don't know what would cause that?
22:22 Piggybear87 LemonLake, ^
22:23 LemonLake well crap
22:24 LemonLake forum time
22:24 Piggybear87 See, with mine, My Minetest window goes black kinda. I have no inv textures and my sky is black. It's all in my fourum post "Tedypig's general discussion about being new to linux"
22:25 LemonLake actually i'll try an older version first
22:29 LemonLake shame
22:35 Jordach omfg my beard won't stop itching
22:40 Piggybear87 Jordach, Light it on fire..
22:40 Jordach i shaved it
22:40 Piggybear87 Oh.
22:40 Jordach and it is an absolute kun--
22:41 Piggybear87 My legs do that. (yes, I shave them...)
22:46 Jordach protip: good quality soap + cold water
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22:47 Jordach apply that sucka to the irritated area
22:47 Jordach or just apply a cold object to it (like a bag of frozen pes)
22:47 Jordach peas*
22:48 Piggybear87 It's usually the next day... and for about 5-7 days after... Maybe men shouldn't shave their legs... Lol.
22:48 SnowD dude
22:48 SnowD wat
22:49 Piggybear87 SnowD, Don't judge, bro...
22:49 SnowD I judge you for massive off-topic xD
22:49 asl Piggybear87:  can you post the output of `minetest --version` ?
22:49 Jordach <- irc admin and admin of many popular servers as well as a minetest forum moderator
22:50 Piggybear87 asl, Minetest 0.4.9
22:50 Piggybear87 Using Irrlicht 1.8.1
22:50 Piggybear87 Build info: VER=0.4.9 BUILD_TYPE=Release RUN_IN_PLACE=0 USE_GETTEXT=1 USE_SOUND=1 USE_CURL=1 USE_FREETYPE=1 USE_LUAJIT=1 STATIC_SHAREDIR=/usr/share/games/minetest
22:51 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIL4-5AIaSE
22:51 Piggybear87 Jordach, What's that^
22:53 LemonLake https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=142903#p142903
22:53 Hirato I'm convinced RUN_IN_PLACE=0 doesn't get tested at all by anyone
22:54 asl i use RUN_IN_PLACE=0
22:55 Piggybear87 I don't self compile...
22:55 LemonLake I do
22:55 LemonLake Testing older version now
22:55 asl the one in fedora repo is also broken
22:56 asl but when i build myself, it works fine
22:56 Piggybear87 So, It's not just me?
22:56 LemonLake How can I get the actual commit of my minetest version?
22:56 LemonLake I want to see what commit my windows one is it
22:56 LemonLake at*
22:57 asl nope, it happen to me when i use the one in the repo
22:57 Hirato the UI is horribly broken for anything to do with run in place 0
22:57 LemonLake Ahhh....
22:57 LemonLake ahhh...
22:57 LemonLake yes....
22:57 LemonLake how do I run in place 0?
22:58 Hirato it's the default unless you're freeminer
22:58 LemonLake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlM2A7nyS3U
22:58 LemonLake That's my issue
23:00 VanessaE Hirato: I always use -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0
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23:00 Hirato I say your issue is virtualbox :M
23:00 LemonLake Might be
23:01 LemonLake But in theory it should work
23:01 LemonLake I'll get Virtual PC and try that.
23:02 Piggybear87 Wait. asl, It also happened when I tried the Windows version using Wine. I just remembered.
23:03 LemonLake Or not
23:03 LemonLake Maybe if I only use one monitor
23:04 asl so it must be when the version bump happen, it's 4.9 isn't it?   it's working in the dev version so it must have gotten fix after 4.9
23:04 VanessaE zero point four point nine.
23:05 asl oops, missing the leading 0
23:06 LemonLake Could 3d acceleration be causing it?
23:07 LemonLake Oh.
23:07 LemonLake It was 3d acceleration
23:07 LemonLake rofl
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23:10 Hirato if run in place does it tested, how come globally installed mods aren't listed in the GUI? :D
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23:18 LemonLake Hello again
23:20 LemonLake Ever since I disabled 3D acceleration, the mint is now super slow
23:23 asl Piggybear87: 0.4.9 is release on Jan 2, the public list was fix on May 17, link to issue, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1297
23:24 asl so i guess you got to build it yourself to get it working or you could just go to http://servers.minetest.net and copy & paste the ip & port into the game
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23:29 LemonLake_ I'm so pissed off at this
23:29 LemonLake_ Without 3D acceleration, it's super 'laggy' (the entire system), but with it, the entire UI of the system kills itself
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23:30 Exio4 3d accel? disable useless effects
23:30 LemonLake_ I'm sorry, what?
23:33 Piggybear87 Sorry, I was eating. So I need to compile it myself?? CRAP! I hate doing that..
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23:39 LemonLake So nobody can provide any help to the issue?
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23:55 asl lemonlake: you could maybe turn off all the eye candy on the entire system?  that way it shouldn't be laggy even without the 3D acceleration
23:57 RealBadAngel asl, that system was in VM
23:57 asl oh

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