IRC log for #minetest, 2014-05-26

Time	Nick	Message
00:02	LemonLake	local vm, emin, emax = VoxelManip()
00:02	LemonLake	That's correct, right?
00:03	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: Nope. You have to load a area, it isn't preloaded.
00:03	LemonLake	That probably explains it.
00:03	ShadowNinja	(So, no emin/emax)
00:04	LemonLake	Forceload?
00:04	LemonLake	Ah
00:06	LemonLake	Had to update_map :P
00:07	LemonLake	http://i.imgur.com/D0BqRTJ.png Getting somewhere!
00:15	LemonLake	Now nothing generates at all
00:15	LemonLake	ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
00:16	LemonLake	It's a size thing; if the chunk is too big it just doesn't do anything
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00:18	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: By the look of it looking at hungry_games will be helpfull. :-)
00:18	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: It uses a dome to keep players in.
00:20	ShadowNinja	Note: I haven't looked at hungry_games' code, it may be horrendous.
00:20	LemonLake	It's not that bad, actually.
00:21	LemonLake	I think I understand how it does it.,
00:22	LemonLake	All it does is place a glass dome.
00:23	LemonLake	In an existing world
00:27	Megaf	VanessaE; it would be great if mesecons connected like shingles, I mean, in diagonal instead of steps
00:29	LemonLake	Aaaaaaaaargh I'm getting so annoyed at this
00:31	VanessaE	they used to, Megaf
00:31	VanessaE	it was decided that this looked like crap
00:31	Megaf	did they?
00:31	Megaf	oh well
00:32	VanessaE	raillike draw type. they don't anymore because they can't bend around corners when doing that
00:33	LemonLake	Oh.
00:33	LemonLake	I fixed it.
00:33	LemonLake	Somehow.
00:36	Megaf	VanessaE; I disagree
00:36	Megaf	its just a matter of changing it a bit
00:36	VanessaE	wrong.
00:37	VanessaE	the raillike draw type cannot bend around a corner as it descends a staircase
00:37	VanessaE	and it cannot join a crossing in mid-descent either
00:37	VanessaE	visibly that is
00:37	VanessaE	those require changes in the engine (client-side)
00:37	Megaf	or maybe there could be the two ways, one way when there is a node under the wire and another mode where the wire is in the air
00:37	VanessaE	that's why we stopped using it.
00:38	VanessaE	we're not changing it back to raillike, it looks like crap
00:38	Megaf	so it would be just a matter of adding a check
00:38	VanessaE	it's NOT a matter of "adding a check"
00:38	Megaf	could be done at the same time it checks if the wire is connected
00:38	VanessaE	it requires a whole new drawtype in the client
00:38	VanessaE	it cannot be done G*d damn t
00:38	VanessaE	it
00:38	Megaf	you dont get me
00:38	VanessaE	this is beyond the ability of the mod
00:39	VanessaE	IT CANNOT BE DONE IN A MOD.
00:39	VanessaE	PERIOD.
00:39	LemonLake	shh shh shh calm down everyone
00:39	VanessaE	this is why we change it to use nodeboxes.
00:39	Megaf	VanessaE; Are you ok?
00:39	VanessaE	they're flexible enough to go everywhere.
00:39	LemonLake	probably just annoyed at the limitations in the lua api
00:39	* Megaf	is not really ok
00:39	VanessaE	yes, I'm perfectly fine - I'm trying to stop you from going off on yet another ..ahem.. rail like you always do
00:40	Megaf	let me put in other words
00:40	LemonLake	{"other words", "other words", "other words"}
00:40	LemonLake	need more?
00:41	LemonLake	I suppose you can't change the message on the world loading bar, can you?
00:41	VanessaE	megaf, the limitations of the raillike drawtype prevent anything you want to do.
00:41	VanessaE	there are no other words to use here
00:41	VanessaE	it. cannot. be. done.
00:41	VanessaE	it. requires. a. new. drawtype.
00:41	LemonLake	eww game editing
00:41	VanessaE	and since we don't have one, we use nodeboxes.
00:41	Megaf	http://paste.debian.net/101771/
00:42	VanessaE	soon, a new drawtype may be added, called "wirelike" but it will look about like mesecons do now.
00:42	VanessaE	Megaf: that is not possible either because of limitations in how the raillike draw type works.
00:42	VanessaE	been there, done that, still have the headaches from designing the textures for it.
00:43	Megaf	ok
00:43	Megaf	so really we still can't have wires
00:44	LemonLake	ShadowNinja, what's the best way to only generate the world once?
00:45	VanessaE	we can have wires but we can't have them the way you want
00:45	VanessaE	not without a new drawtype.
00:46	VanessaE	and I can guarantee you that a new drawtype will probably NOT be added that does that
00:46	Megaf	ok
00:47	LemonLake	It would be difficult enough making one in the first place
00:47	VanessaE	no
00:47	VanessaE	because it generally breaks the blocky/square-ish idea of the engine/game
00:47	VanessaE	there's a lot of resistance to that
00:47	VanessaE	square-cross-section wires still fit
00:47	LemonLake	Either way, does anyone know the best way to only call a function once in a world?
00:48	VanessaE	LemonLake: minetest.after() maybe
00:48	VanessaE	depends on why you're calling it
00:48	topcyde	How to craft a lasso isn't on the wiki nor can I find it on either of the forums. can someone remind me how? I thought it was string in a diamond pattern but that didn't work.
00:48	VanessaE	topcyde: a lasso?
00:48	topcyde	yeh, i gots to round up my sheeps
00:48	VanessaE	for what purpose? sounds like something from mobf?
00:48	VanessaE	or simple mobs?
00:48	LemonLake	I've just gotten my generator working thanks to ShadowNinja
00:49	topcyde	it is but not on th emobf discussion in the forum
00:49	LemonLake	Basically, I'm only going to generate the first few blocks of a world, and no more. That works, I'm doing that after 0.6 on mapgen_init
00:49	LemonLake	But, this is being called every run. That's not what I need.
00:49	LemonLake	I'm also going to save a schematic of the world on the first run, then load it every round restart.
00:50	VanessaE	lemme check, topcyde
00:50	LemonLake	Some sort of text file that gets created?
00:50	LemonLake	Actually, if I just check if there's a schematic. If there is, don't bother generating then just load it.
00:50	VanessaE	ah, there it is
00:50	LemonLake	Will that work?
00:51	VanessaE	white wool, put four in a diamondpattern
00:51	VanessaE	- W -
00:51	VanessaE	W - W
00:51	VanessaE	- W -
00:51	VanessaE	(not string but wool blocks)
00:51	topcyde	doh!
00:52	topcyde	got a link for that page? or were you looking at the source?
00:52	VanessaE	topcyde: I checked the sources
00:52	VanessaE	https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/blob/90e5a6580ed4b479d545ad6751a9b31d9659c7ab/mobf/init.lua#L116
00:52	topcyde	how do you do that?
00:53	VanessaE	LemonLake: I guess that'll work
00:53	VanessaE	you'll just have to try :)
00:53	LemonLake	Okay, thanks
00:53	LemonLake	It's time to confuse myself :D
00:53	VanessaE	topcyde: virtually all Minetest mods are open source and most have a free/permissible license
00:54	topcyde	VanessaE: thanks because next i need to figure out how to build a rope box again. It's been 3-4 months since ive played and I can't remember how to do anything
00:54	VanessaE	(in fact I've never seen one that wasn't open source, and only one or two authors who got stupid with their licenses, so think 99.5% FOSS)
00:54	VanessaE	rope box..hm
00:54	VanessaE	the vines mod one?
00:54	topcyde	yes
00:55	VanessaE	looks like a wood block and two vines below it, in a column
00:55	VanessaE	https://github.com/bas080/vines/blob/master/init.lua#L281
00:55	VanessaE	you'll have to craft some shears to cut and collect said vines:
00:55	VanessaE	https://github.com/bas080/vines/blob/master/init.lua#L352
00:57	LemonLake	VanessaE, seen tldrlegal.com?
00:57	LemonLake	If so, what do you think of it?
00:57	topcyde	you have to use shears to collect vines
00:57	topcyde	I missed that note before
00:58	Vazon	VanessaE is there a reason the rotten vines and regular vines look the exact same?
00:59	VanessaE	Vazon: dunno, ask bas080 :)
00:59	Vazon	lol ok
00:59	VanessaE	LemonLake: never seen it
00:59	LemonLake	Just going around asking if it's reliable
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01:02	VanessaE	Vazon: use HDX, there the rotten vines are quite distinct from the "fresh" ones :)
01:03	Vazon	VanessaE, i have updated my darkage mod and redid the stairs part of it and added a moreblocks to update it. I dont think the creator of the mod is still around, os i dont know what to do
01:03	Vazon	Ok i will look there
01:07	Vazon	o btw i fixed the selection box on the ladder and the rongs are 2 each and its even now, i just need the textures
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01:11	Megaf	!seen asie
01:11	MinetestBot	Megaf: asie was last seen at 2014-05-25 20:35:11 UTC on #minetest
01:11	LemonLake	My biggest fear while working on this gamemode is having to rewrite the whole thing
01:11	LemonLake	The code has gotten quite messy
01:11	Megaf	!tell asie Your skin mod crashes the server is either the skin name or player names are invalid on /setskin command
01:11	MinetestBot	Megaf: I'll pass that on when asie is around
01:12	Megaf	~tell asie Your skin mod crashes the server is either the skin name or player names are invalid on /setskin command
01:12	ShadowBot	Megaf: O.K.
01:13	LemonLake	Woah that's sick
01:16	Megaf	VanessaE; Don't you find a little confusing having two "trashes" on unified inventory?
01:17	LemonLake	You mean the clear inventory and the one-item trash?
01:17	Megaf	yep
01:17	LemonLake	Yeah, I agree
01:18	LemonLake	Multiple times I've dropped an item on the trash can and watched my entire inventory just go poof
01:18	Megaf	I think there should be a button writen Clear Inventory
01:18	LemonLake	With confirmation
01:18	Megaf	and the trash icon should behave like a trash icon
01:18	Megaf	you drag and dtop something to it,
01:19	Megaf	I know thats difficult to do or maybe is not even possible
01:19	Megaf	so my suggestion is, remove the trash button
01:19	ShadowNinja	<LemonLake> ShadowNinja, what's the best way to only generate the world once? ---- That's what's done by default?
01:19	Megaf	maybe add something like clean inventory, and with confirmation
01:19	LemonLake	Shadow, I meant the way I'm doing it.
01:20	LemonLake	However, I've figured it out.
01:20	Megaf	the button would actually call the confirmation window, and the function to clear the inventory then would be on the confirmation window
01:20	ShadowNinja	Alright. :-)
01:20	LemonLake	I'm gonna check if a schematic exists, then if it does not, generate the world then make one. If it does, load it.
01:20	Megaf	and maybe the trash icon could be inside the "Trash:" area
01:26	Vazon	We have 4 different clear_inventorys on my server
01:30	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: Megaf makes a good point though...
01:30	VanessaE	but then again, that "clear inventory" button is only supposed to be usable in creative mode
01:30	Vazon	ya i can see where he is coming form
01:31	VanessaE	Vazon: 4? overkill much? ;)
01:31	Vazon	we have the trash, the button, /clearinv, and /clearinv name
01:32	Vazon	the /clearinv, and /clearinv name are for the admins
01:41	LemonLake	Where exactly are schematics saved?
01:41	Megaf	!tell asie Hi, How am I supposed to remove a meselamp?
01:41	MinetestBot	Megaf: I'll pass that on when asie is around
01:42	LemonLake	Checking now for you megaf
01:43	LemonLake	snappy=1, oddly_breakable_by_hand=4
01:43	VanessaE	oh that reminds me...
01:43	LemonLake	You break it with a sword
01:45	LemonLake	Are schematics saved relative to the modpath or something?
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02:08	sea	Eh, I found a bug
02:08	LemonLake	Hm?
02:08	sea	I couldn't connect to a minetest server so I stuck some debug information in the source
02:09	sea	and then when I ran it, I got this extremely output every single time, whether I'm connecting locally or not:
02:09	sea	(wait a sec while I copy it somewhere)
02:09	LemonLake	pastebin.com
02:09	sea	Yeah that
02:11	sea	http://sprunge.us/ELJa
02:11	* VanessaE	looks
02:11	sea	Okay, so I'll explain
02:11	VanessaE	how old is this copy of Minetest?
02:11	sea	'coming from A' just helps me figure out what's going on in the code, you can ignore it
02:11	sea	It's the latest version pulled from git
02:12	sea	Minetest 0.4.5-847-g9192380-dirty
02:12	LemonLake	That's your problem.
02:12	VanessaE	that's not current at all
02:12	VanessaE	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/master
02:13	VanessaE	I think you pulled from celeron55's old repo :)
02:13	sea	Oh it's 7fba...
02:13	VanessaE	yup
02:13	sea	I'll swap to the other one then
02:13	VanessaE	0.4.5 is... shit, that's gotta be close to a year old now :)
02:14	sea	Ah, well I'll change it and see if the bug still pops up
02:14	sea	It's a weird case.
02:14	VanessaE	ok, good luck
02:14	VanessaE	Minetest's development moves pretty fast
02:14	VanessaE	anything over ~1 month is usually considered a bit old, ~2 months is often considered outdated
02:14	VanessaE	but regular releases are usually somewhat older; the current official release is 0.4.9
02:15	VanessaE	0.4.10 is expected soon-ish but I'm not sure exactly when
02:15	sea	Hm, there's a commit in this repo here: "Bump version to 0.4.9"
02:15	sea	What's that about?
02:16	VanessaE	just changing the version flags in the game, they do that when they decide it's good enough for a releas
02:16	VanessaE	release*
02:17	VanessaE	commit, commit, commit.... (goes on for a while).. commit... ok this looks like a good point to mark it... commit "Bump version to x.x.x" ... (prepare zip files and announce a release) ...
02:17	VanessaE	repeat.
02:17	sea	Interesting
02:18	sea	Anyway, the point is that once the average round trip time for packets goes over 2.9, something slips up and the game loops indefinitely
02:18	sea	That's in the old version
02:18	VanessaE	naw, that's not a problem anymore
02:18	sea	What was the cause?
02:18	VanessaE	as far as I know; we've seen much larger RTT's. usually when it gets too big, players will time out instead
02:18	VanessaE	no idea, that was too long ago for me to remember
02:19	VanessaE	Megaf's server has seen RTT's up to 8 or 9 seconds without much real problem aside from the obvious lag that'll go with it
02:19	VanessaE	(but he runs it on a very low-end embedded system; the high RTT's were due to some settings conflicts relative to his hardware)
02:20	Vazon	VanessaE: is there anyway to have my server page cleaned up?? like have the post from before May of this year removed?
02:20	VanessaE	link?
02:20	Vazon	ya
02:20	Vazon	VanessaE: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7681
02:21	VanessaE	oh, no way
02:21	VanessaE	ain't gonna delete peoples' posts just because they're old
02:21	Vazon	:\| ok
02:22	Vazon	well some of it is just talk and random stuff that has no meaning thats is why i asked
02:22	VanessaE	what you could do is, maybe, start a new topic, change the first post of this one to only read "This server topic has moved, please go here --> [URL here]" and have one of us close this topic instead
02:22	Vazon	ok
02:22	VanessaE	and copy all your existing first-post stuff to the new topic
02:22	VanessaE	but wait
02:23	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: opinions?
02:25	Vazon	?
02:27	Vazon	i mad a new one Vanessa
02:27	Vazon	made*
02:42	* ShadowNinja	looks
02:44	ShadowNinja	Vazon: Why not continue using the old one?
02:45	Vazon	because its cluttered
02:46	LemonLake	FINALLY
02:46	ShadowNinja	Vazon: That's not sufficient reason to completely restart it. Move or delete posts that shouldn't be there.
02:46	LemonLake	i just got schematic saving to work
02:47	LemonLake	but loading it causes crash, yay
02:47	Vazon	what do you mean move or delete post?
02:48	LemonLake	Hell yeah it loads stuff now
02:49	LemonLake	now I don't have to wait like 2 mintues each time lol
02:49	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: I dunno, is it really within the usual guidelines of a moderator's duties to do that? especially with 16 pages of posts to comb through?
02:49	VanessaE	seems like that would really screw up conversational flow
02:50	Vazon	VanessaE there is not conversational flow thats hte point -.-
02:50	LemonLake	ShadowNinja, it was success :D
02:56	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: Do/can we support extensions such as http://keplerproject.github.io/luafilesystem/ ?
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02:58	LemonLake	Okay, so I just spent 4 hours doing the simplest thing but it was worth it. I'm tired as hell, though. See ya!
02:59	topcyde	where do I check the timing in minetest for how long it is day/night. these nights are rediculously long.
02:59	VanessaE	topcyde: time_speed
03:00	VanessaE	(a value of 72 I think is the default and leads to a day length of about 20 minutes)
03:00	VanessaE	not sure of the actual name, um...
03:00	topcyde	anyway to make the nights shorter and the days longer?
03:01	VanessaE	not as far as I know, no.
03:01	VanessaE	yo can fake it though
03:02	topcyde	I'm usually runnign around in caves and so don't notice, but I've been doing som eworld exploring and not it's just annoying.
03:02	VanessaE	you*
03:02	VanessaE	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1390
03:02	topcyde	s/not/now
03:03	VanessaE	you could perhaps periodically check the time of day and advance it by say 5% if it's night time
03:03	VanessaE	and set your time speed in minetest.conf to a lower value (==longer cycle) to compensate
03:05	topcyde	how would I check it? by using the terminal in game?
03:07	VanessaE	set an ABM that looks for, say, default:dirt_with_grass, interval 5, chance 3200. inside that ABM, do a minetest.get_timeofday() call, if it's less than say 0.2 or greater than say 0.8 or something, then multiply it by 1.05 or so and set_timeofday with the result
03:08	VanessaE	there are a couple of other ways to do periodic code such as minetest.register_globalstep(func(dtime))
03:08	VanessaE	that one is probably better but it requires you to manage the actual timing of the checks yourself (it always executes every 1/10th of a second)
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03:10	VanessaE	(an ABM like I described would only work if you're on the surface and there is grass nearby; you could expand the search list to include sand, water, and stone, but that would slow things down somewhat
03:10	VanessaE	)
03:10	RealBadAngel	well no
03:10	RealBadAngel	dtime is time that passed since last execution
03:10	VanessaE	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1251
03:10	VanessaE	"Called every server step, usually interval of 0.1s"
03:10	sea	Multiply by 1.05?
03:10	RealBadAngel	it can be 0.2 as well, if the server is laggy
03:11	RealBadAngel	or even way more
03:11	VanessaE	sea: yeah, that increases the value by 5%, and time is stored as a float. 0 is midnight, 0.5 is 12 noon.
03:11	VanessaE	so simply multiplying or dividing is a quick way to scale the time, as long as you also properly wrap it around past 1.0 of course
03:11	VanessaE	(idk what would happen if you pass a value > 1.0 to that call)
03:12	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: true.
03:12	sea	You'd get really weird time scaling
03:12	VanessaE	so an ABM is the only choice if he wants to make sure the time scale operates in a more or less even manner
03:12	sea	If the time is very small, then it increases by a tiny amount, and if the time is large, it increases by a large amount
03:13	VanessaE	sea: well you could just add a constant if you want
03:13	sea	Yeah, that makes it faster. Your multiplying makes it accelerate and then decelerate suddenly
03:13	VanessaE	didn't even think about the linear scale. derp :)
03:13	topcyde	whats an ABM?
03:14	RealBadAngel	Active Block Modifier
03:14	VanessaE	its purpose, NORMALLY, is to change one kind of node into another
03:14	topcyde	have a ;ink to explain how to do that?
03:14	VanessaE	you trigger on, say, grass, and turn it into dirt or something
03:14	VanessaE	topcyde: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2198
03:15	VanessaE	minetest.register_abm( ^^^ that definition above ^^^ )
03:16	VanessaE	topcyde: there has been talk in the recent past about adding a way to scale the day and night proportions properly though
03:17	VanessaE	WAIT
03:17	VanessaE	there IS
03:17	VanessaE	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1878
03:17	VanessaE	you don' thave to fake it
03:17	VanessaE	but you do need to make a small mod to change it
03:18	VanessaE	no idea what the ratio value corresponds to though - I would assume the default is 0.5 and refers to how much of the day is daylight
03:18	VanessaE	so maybe you want a larger value here
03:18	VanessaE	so a single, one-time call to this function with say 0.75 might be all you need
03:18	topcyde	is there source for that function call?
03:18	topcyde	that would help to figure otu how it works
03:19	VanessaE	there is but it's kinda scattered: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/search?q=override_day_night_ratio&ref=cmdform
03:20	topcyde	I don't know ojective-C is // still a comment?
03:21	VanessaE	this is C++
03:21	VanessaE	and yeah
03:23	topcyde	oh!the first one was noted as Objective and didn't realize each search return was labeled differently.
03:23	topcyde	C++ I'm familiar with
03:25	topcyde	according to the clint.h read that as though it need 2 variables.. the 1 to turn it on and then the other to set the ratio.
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03:26	topcyde	but then I don't understand what it's doing with it in game.cpp
03:27	VanessaE	a lot of minetest's code can be confusing, which is why I stick to Lua.
03:27	VanessaE	I still get confused, but at least I'm confused by a language I mostly understand :D
03:27	Vazon	Night everyone
03:31	VanessaE	night
03:34	topcyde	it's part of a big for statement, but I'm not certain of the handling after it, guess it's time to break out the tome of strutroup
03:34	topcyde	strustroup
03:35	topcyde	however it's spelled
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03:42	VanessaE	or just write a little one-line Lua mod that uses that call :P
03:42	VanessaE	see what it does with different values
03:43	topcyde	never wrote a mod
03:45	VanessaE	they're easy to make.
03:46	VanessaE	write some code in an editor, save it as "init.lua", put that in a directory named for your mod, copy the directory to Minetest's "mods/" directory, then go into your client and enable it in your world's "Configuration" menu
03:46	VanessaE	then play that world and see if it works
03:46	VanessaE	mods are server-side only, so what you make will only work for you in single-player mode, not for a server you play on unless you get that server's operator to install it there (in which case, your local copy will not be used)
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03:48	topcyde	I play single player anyway
03:48	topcyde	crappy internet connection
03:48	VanessaE	oh ok
03:49	VanessaE	you should try my servers some time.
03:49	VanessaE	they work pretty decent on crappy connections once all the media is in
03:49	topcyde	I think i did last year a coupe times but glitched the hell out too many times it annoyed me.
03:50	topcyde	all my side not your server
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03:51	topcyde	if dial up is the telegraph of internet connections then I've only progressed to pulse dialed rotary phones
03:51	VanessaE	oh no, I have multiple servers now
03:51	topcyde	and the lying bastards call it DSL
03:52	VanessaE	try the "Vanilla" one (30005)
03:52	VanessaE	it's light-weight
03:52	VanessaE	also, ouch :)
03:52	topcyde	I've marked it to give it a whirl later.
03:53	topcyde	OH I also used you as an example to my daughter. I told her one of the most prolific mod writers for minetest was a girl. Her idiot mother has her convinced that computers are boys things
03:54	VanessaE	what does mom think now? :)
03:54	topcyde	her moms still an idiot, but my daughter at least has a clue
03:55	VanessaE	oh good
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03:55	topcyde	her mom != my wife
03:55	VanessaE	I assumed
04:01	topcyde	any header or footer I need to put in that lua file?
04:03	VanessaE	nope
04:03	VanessaE	you just need the raw code.
04:04	VanessaE	a single minetest.override_day_night_ratio(0.75) or something similar should do it
04:04	VanessaE	you could even tuck that into any random file in minetest_game/mods/default or so if you wanted
04:05	VanessaE	(as long as some other mod isn't already doing that call, in which case change it there)
04:06	topcyde	good point have to do a search through the mod directory
04:07	topcyde	the api specifically says controlling sunlight so I interpret that as the larger the ratio the more the day light
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04:11	VanessaE	yeah
04:11	VanessaE	that's what I assumed too
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04:19	topcyde	says ERROR: ModError: Failed to load and run
04:21	topcyde	anyway to verbose when its loading?
04:26	topcyde	brain tired i'll try again in the am
04:30	VanessaE	what's the rest of the error?
04:30	VanessaE	(check your debug.txt)
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06:04	reactor	Ð¦Ð´ÑƒÐ¾ÑŠÐ°Ñ‡Ð¾ÑÑ…Ð¿Ðµ
06:07	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: We don't. But it should work, just add "local lfs = require('lfs')" to your mod and have people `pacman -S lua51-filesystem`.
06:09	ShadowNinja	I went through my old jail mod. It was quite ugly, but very feature-full and I managed to clean it up.
06:12	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: ^^^^^^
06:12	VanessaE	reason I ask is being able to mkdir and chdir in particular
06:13	ShadowNinja	chdir?
06:13	VanessaE	well cd isn't really needed
06:13	VanessaE	but mkdir is
06:15	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: Note that that makes it considerably harder for Windows users. You should provide a .dll for them.
06:15	VanessaE	that's why I asked :-/
06:16	VanessaE	maybe some sort of helper function in the engine is in order? RBA was needing some way to better-organize UI's files
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07:36	LazyJ	Does Minetest read inside of the "modpack.txt" file?
07:37	LazyJ	According to the 2014_05_24 "lua_api.txt", the "modpack.txt" file is supposed to be empty or have # to comment out the lines.
07:38	LazyJ	I've seen "modpack.txt" files that were empty and some that had text in them.
07:38	LazyJ	Those that contained text didn't have the # and it didn't seem to bother Minetest.
07:39	ShadowNinja	LazyJ: Minetest does nothing but a stat() to see if it exists.
07:39	LazyJ	Is this # something that will be necessary in the future or is it just a forgotten artifact from when the modpack.txt was implemented?
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07:40	ShadowNinja	In fact it probably could be removed, and the rule changed to "doesn't have a init.lua".
07:40	ShadowNinja	LazyJ: If modpack.txt is ever used for anything # should denote comments.
07:41	LazyJ	Ok. I've been adding notes to myself in the modpack.txt file.
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07:42	LazyJ	So, I'll add # to the lines just to be on the safe side. Thanks ;)
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07:45	LazyJ	Two curiosities. 1. Is #minetest-mods better suited for these kinds of questions? 2. Is the "80 columns" rule more of a tradition or is there still a good and functional reason to follow it?
07:45	nman3600	Hello everypony
07:45	LazyJ	If so, what why?
07:45	LazyJ	*If so, why?
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07:47	reactor	LazyJ: text width more than 80 chars is beyond one's fild of view.
07:47	reactor	field, even.
07:47	sfan5	meow
07:47	sfan5	hi everyone
07:48	* sfan5	meows again :3
07:48	reactor	No matter how big your screen is, you want 80 columns.
07:48	ShadowNinja	LazyJ: It's still good, but we adhere to it loosely. You can view two files side-by-side with a 80 char width.
07:48	* nman3600	strokes sfan5
07:48	reactor	That, too, ShadowNinja.
07:48	ShadowNinja	LazyJ: There are ways to reduce tab usage too.
07:49	* sfan5	purss
07:49	reactor	Although, if a file does not have line breaks, you can resize the window you're reading it in.
07:49	nman3600	ShadowNinja thanks again for helping me with the raillike thing
07:49	LazyJ	The trouble I have with the 80 rule is when it comes to nesting.
07:49	ShadowNinja	nman3600: NP. :-)
07:50	* nman3600	hands sfan5 a bowl of milk
07:50	* sfan5	noms the bowl
07:50	nman3600	yu spilt the milk everywhere
07:51	* nman3600	tells sfan5 to lick the milk up from the floor
07:51	ShadowNinja	LazyJ: See http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7519545/
07:51	* sfan5	noms nman3600
07:52	ShadowNinja	LazyJ: You can also use small local functions.
07:52	nman3600	cute kitten i don't feek a fing
07:52	LazyJ	Then on the flip-side of the coin, the 80 rule keeps things in the "field of view", like reactor said, when I increase the font size big enough that I can see it. ;)-
07:52	nman3600	*feel
07:52	reactor	It's so much more comfortable to have many terminals side by side than one above the other.
07:52	reactor	You can read more lines of the output.
07:54	* nman3600	hands sfan5 a ><(((Âº>
07:55	* sfan5	noms it
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07:58	* nman3600	hands sfan5 a ËËšá´¥ËšË€ (polar bear)
07:58	* sfan5	does nothing
07:59	* nman3600	hands sfan5 a guy flipping a table (â•¯Â°â–¡Â°ï¼‰â•¯ï¸µ â”»â”â”»
07:59	* sfan5	does nothing
08:03	* nman3600	hands sfan5 a kitten (= â—_â— =)
08:03	* sfan5	does nothing
08:03	nman3600	but it's a kiitten!!!!!!
08:13	sea	OMG A KITTEN
08:14	reactor	â•¯_â•¯
08:15	reactor	Ë_Ë€
08:15	reactor	Âº_Ð
08:16	reactor	Why would sfan5 need a kitten? He's experimenting on quantum physics?
08:16	* sfan5	is trying to get a H.264 encoder that uses VAAPI to work with ffmpeg
08:17	sfan5	and gedit just crashed :(
08:19	reactor	gedit.
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09:09	nman3600	hi
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09:15	nman3600	hello everypony
09:16	sea	Ooh, a brony!
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09:20	VanessaE	hi
09:25	nman3600	sea: I AM A BRONY PROUD TO ADMIN
09:25	nman3600	*ADMIT
09:31	nman3600	sea a refference to this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMjnVeDPEYo
09:31	nman3600	ohai VannessaE i didn't see that you said hi
09:39	nman3600	mesecon signals should signal steel doors
09:39	nman3600	oh wait they do
09:41	nman3600	buttons and levers don't do it properly :(
09:51	whiskers75	sfan5: meow
09:51	VanessaE	meow.
09:52		^EOF joined #minetest
09:52	* whiskers75	meows at ^EOF
09:52	* whiskers75	meows at ^EOF
09:52	* ^EOF	meows back
09:52	VanessaE	mesecons should not open steel doors imho
09:52	* ^EOF	meows back
09:52	whiskers75	VanessaE: yeh
09:52	VanessaE	because then just anyone could unlock your doors on a multiplayer server.
09:52	reactor	VanessaE: otherwise they will break your wals.
09:52	reactor	s/als/alls/
09:52	whiskers75	pls2channel supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.strings ""
09:52	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
09:53	whiskers75	there, now it won't bug anyone
09:53	reactor	Better let them unlock the doo with mesecons, imho.
09:53	reactor	s/oo/oor/
09:53	whiskers75	or just get a protection plugin :P
09:53	reactor	yep
09:54	reactor	Are you sure it's "^EOF" and not "^D"?
09:55	nman3600	my computer hates me
09:55	reactor	Great timing!
09:56	whiskers75	reactor: ^D was taken, I think
09:57	whiskers75	^EOF: nick ^D
09:57	whiskers75	Error: Someone else is already using that nick.
09:57	nman3600	withing half an hour of my computer being started up it starts to get really warm and it starts to crash
09:57	whiskers75	broken fans?
09:59	nman3600	nope
09:59	nman3600	i'm just going to shut it down and let it cool down like i do every flipping hour
09:59	reactor	TThermal paste gone bad?
09:59	reactor	Damn I'm slow.
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10:13	* sfan5	meows at whiskers75
10:15	* whiskers75	meows at sfan5
10:15	* whiskers75	meows at ^EOF
10:15	* ^EOF	meows back
10:16	* sfan5	throws http://i.imgur.com/gO13SW6.jpg at whiskers75
10:16	whiskers75	pls2mp add "\1ACTION meows at (\w+)\1" "action meows at $1 too"
10:16	whiskers75	^EOF, mp add "\1ACTION meows at (\w+)\1" "action meows at $1 too"
10:16	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
10:16	* whiskers75	meows at sfan5
10:16	* ^EOF	meows at sfan5 too
10:16	* sfan5	meows at whiskers75
10:16	* ^EOF	meows at whiskers75 too
10:16	* sfan5	meows at ^EOF
10:16	* ^EOF	meows back
10:17	* whiskers75	throws https://cdn.mediacru.sh/YTjkr2TxQXMy.png at sfan5
10:17	sfan5	yay!
10:17	sfan5	you actually used mediacru.sh
10:17	sfan5	\o/
10:17	* sfan5	purrs
10:17	whiskers75	I use it for all images on blog.whiskers75.co.uk now.
10:17	* whiskers75	purrs and headbutts sfan5
10:18	* sfan5	curls up to whiskers75's lap
10:18	* whiskers75	is a kitten, tho
10:19	whiskers75	^EOF, help ceq
10:19	^EOF	whiskers75: (ceq <item1> <item2>) -- Does a string comparison on <item1> and <item2>. Returns true if they are equal.
10:19	whiskers75	^EOF, cif [ceq [rand 1 2 3] 1]
10:19	^EOF	whiskers75: (cif <condition> <ifcommand> <elsecommand>) -- Runs <ifcommand> if <condition> evaluates to true, runs <elsecommand> if it evaluates to false. Use other logical operators defined in this plugin and command nesting to your advantage here.
10:19	whiskers75	^EOF, cif [ceq [rand 1 2 3] 1] "echo meow" "echo purr"
10:19	^EOF	purr
10:19	whiskers75	^EOF, cif [ceq [rand 1 2 3] 1] "echo meow" "echo purr"
10:19	^EOF	purr
10:19	whiskers75	^EOF, cif [ceq [rand 1 2 3] 1] "echo meow" "echo purr"
10:19		whiskers75 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
10:19	^EOF	purr
10:19		^EOF was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
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10:19	whiskers75	pls
10:19	whiskers75	^EOF, cif [ceq [rand 1 2 3] 1] "echo meow" "echo purr"
10:20	whiskers75	meh
10:20	^EOF	purr
10:20		^EOF was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
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10:20	whiskers75	I'll test it in private
10:20	whiskers75	sfan5: shadowbot is kicking innocent kittens!
10:20	sfan5	whiskers75: whiskers75.report({to: ShadowNinja});
10:21	reactor	^EOF, Ð·Ñ‹Ñ„Ð²Ð©Ð—Ð¤Ð«Ð’Ð¬Ð©Ð¢ Ñ„Ñ†Ñ‰Ñˆ Ð©Ð¤Ð’Ð“Ð¨ÐÐ˜Ð¤ Ñ„Ð«Ð©Ð’Ð¨ÐŸÐÐ¤Ð©Ð˜Ð’ Ð©Ð¨ÐÐžÐ¢Ð¢ Ð³Ð´ÐŸÐ‘Ð‘Ð¤ÐŸÐ¡Ð˜Ð Ð•!
10:21	reactor	^EOF, cif Ð·Ñ‹Ñ„Ð²Ð©Ð—Ð¤Ð«Ð’Ð¬Ð©Ð¢ Ñ„Ñ†Ñ‰Ñˆ Ð©Ð¤Ð’Ð“Ð¨ÐÐ˜Ð¤ Ñ„Ð«Ð©Ð’Ð¨ÐŸÐÐ¤Ð©Ð˜Ð’ Ð©Ð¨ÐÐžÐ¢Ð¢ Ð³Ð´ÐŸÐ‘Ð‘Ð¤ÐŸÐ¡Ð˜Ð Ð•!
10:21	reactor	^EOF, cif 0 Ð·Ñ‹Ñ„Ð²Ð©Ð—Ð¤Ð«Ð’Ð¬Ð©Ð¢ Ñ„Ñ†Ñ‰Ñˆ Ð©Ð¤Ð’Ð“Ð¨ÐÐ˜Ð¤ Ñ„Ð«Ð©Ð’Ð¨ÐŸÐÐ¤Ð©Ð˜Ð’ Ð©Ð¨ÐÐžÐ¢Ð¢ Ð³Ð´ÐŸÐ‘Ð‘Ð¤ÐŸÐ¡Ð˜Ð Ð•!
10:22	^EOF	reactor: (cif <condition> <ifcommand> <elsecommand>) -- Runs <ifcommand> if <condition> evaluates to true, runs <elsecommand> if it evaluates to false. Use other logical operators defined in this plugin and command nesting to your advantage here.
10:22	reactor	^EOF, "echo Ð·Ñ‹Ñ„Ð²Ð©Ð—Ð¤Ð«Ð’Ð¬Ð©Ð¢ Ñ„Ñ†Ñ‰Ñˆ Ð©Ð¤Ð’Ð“Ð¨ÐÐ˜Ð¤ Ñ„Ð«Ð©Ð’Ð¨ÐŸÐÐ¤Ð©Ð˜Ð’ Ð©Ð¨ÐÐžÐ¢Ð¢ Ð³Ð´ÐŸÐ‘Ð‘Ð¤ÐŸÐ¡Ð˜Ð Ð•!"
10:22	whiskers75	reactor: pls
10:23	reactor	It doesn't work for me :(.
10:23	whiskers75	^EOF, mp add "\x01ACTION purrs\x01" "cif [ceq [dice 1d3] 1] \"action strokes $nick\" \"utilities ignore\""
10:23	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
10:23	* whiskers75	purrs
10:23	* ^EOF	strokes $nick
10:23	* whiskers75	purrs
10:23	* ^EOF	strokes $nick
10:23	whiskers75	pls
10:23	whiskers75	^EOF, mp list
10:23	* ^EOF	meows at (w+)
10:23	whiskers75	^EOF, mp del --id 3
10:23	whiskers75	^EOF, mp remove --id 3
10:24	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
10:24	whiskers75	^EOF, mp add "\x01ACTION purrs\x01" "cif [ceq [dice 1d3] 1] action strokes [echo $nick] utilities ignore"
10:24	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
10:24	* whiskers75	purrs
10:24	^EOF	(cif <condition> <ifcommand> <elsecommand>) -- Runs <ifcommand> if <condition> evaluates to true, runs <elsecommand> if it evaluates to false. Use other logical operators defined in this plugin and command nesting to your advantage here.
10:24	whiskers75	^EOF, mp remove --id 3
10:24	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
10:24	whiskers75	^EOF, mp add "\x01ACTION purrs\x01" "cif [ceq [dice 1d3] 1] \"action strokes [echo $nick]\" \"utilities ignore\""
10:24	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
10:24	* whiskers75	purrs
10:25	* whiskers75	purrs
10:25	* whiskers75	purrs
10:25		whiskers75 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
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10:25	whiskers75	WHAT
10:25	whiskers75	NEVER SEEN A KITTEN BEFORE?
10:25	whiskers75	THEY DO THAT
10:25	* whiskers75	purrs
10:25	whiskers75	>:c
10:25	whiskers75	^EOF, mp remove --id 3
10:25	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
10:25	sfan5	lolwat
10:25	sfan5	https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700758
10:26	sfan5	>implying bcrypt is unsafe
10:26	whiskers75	^EOF, mp add "" "cif [ceq [dice 1d50] 1] action meows ignore"
10:26	whiskers75	^EOF, mp add "." "cif [ceq [dice 1d50] 1] action meows ignore"
10:26	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
10:26	whiskers75	^EOF, mp remove --id 3
10:27	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
10:27	whiskers75	^EOF, mp add "cat" "cif [ceq [dice 1d3] 1] action meows ignore"
10:27	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
10:27		^EOF was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
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10:27	whiskers75	did you know that cats are so fluffy?
10:27	whiskers75	sfan5: do you own a cat?
10:27	^EOF	whiskers75: (cif <condition> <ifcommand> <elsecommand>) -- Runs <ifcommand> if <condition> evaluates to true, runs <elsecommand> if it evaluates to false. Use other logical operators defined in this plugin and command nesting to your advantage here.
10:27	whiskers75	à² _à²
10:27	sfan5	whiskers75: no, do you wan to gift me one?
10:27	^EOF	whiskers75: (cif <condition> <ifcommand> <elsecommand>) -- Runs <ifcommand> if <condition> evaluates to true, runs <elsecommand> if it evaluates to false. Use other logical operators defined in this plugin and command nesting to your advantage here.
10:27	sfan5	want*
10:27	reactor	^EOF, ÑŠÐ”Ð¢Ð‘Ð§Ð£Ð¤Ð§Ð¥ÐšÐ¤Ð•!
10:27	whiskers75	^EOF, mp remove --id 3
10:27	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
10:28	reactor	^EOF, mp add "ÑŠÐ”Ð¢Ð‘Ð§Ð£Ð¤Ð§Ð¥ÐšÐ¤Ð•!" "ignore"
10:28	whiskers75	^EOF, mp add "cat" "cif [ceq [dice 1d3] 1] \"action meows\" \"utilities ignore\""
10:28	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
10:28	* sfan5	meows at ^EOF
10:28	* ^EOF	meows back
10:28	whiskers75	^EOF, mp add "ÑŠÐ”Ð¢Ð‘Ð§Ð£Ð¤Ð§Ð¥ÐšÐ¤Ð•" "action slaps [echo $nick]"
10:28	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
10:28	whiskers75	ÑŠÐ”Ð¢Ð‘Ð§Ð£Ð¤Ð§Ð¥ÐšÐ¤Ð•
10:28	* ^EOF	slaps whiskers75
10:28	sfan5	ÑŠÐ”Ð¢Ð‘Ð§Ð£Ð¤Ð§Ð¥ÐšÐ¤Ð•
10:28	* ^EOF	slaps sfan5
10:28	reactor	ÑŠÐ”Ð¢Ð‘Ð§Ð£Ð¤Ð§Ð¥ÐšÐ¤Ð•!
10:28	* sfan5	slaps ^EOF
10:28	* ^EOF	slaps reactor
10:28		^EOF was kicked by ShadowBot: Slap flood detected.
10:28		^EOF joined #minetest
10:28	whiskers75	PLS
10:28	sfan5	* ShadowBot hat ^EOF aus #minetest gekickt (Slap flood detected.)
10:28	sfan5	ahahahha
10:28	reactor	ÐŸÐ’ÐÐ•Ð”.
10:30	whiskers75	^EOF, mp remove --id 4
10:30	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
10:30	whiskers75	^EOF, mp add "Ð”" "action looks at [echo $nick] strangely."
10:30	^EOF	whiskers75: Meow!
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10:30	whiskers75	Ð”
10:30	* ^EOF	looks at whiskers75 strangely.
10:30	reactor	Ð”Ð˜ Ð”Ð Ð Ð“Ð•
10:30	* ^EOF	looks at reactor strangely.
10:30	* ^EOF	looks at reactor strangely.
10:31	reactor	Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”
10:31	* ^EOF	looks at reactor strangely.
10:31		^EOF was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
10:31		^EOF joined #minetest
10:31	* ^EOF	looks at reactor strangely.
10:31	whiskers75	pls
10:31		^EOF was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
10:31	reactor	Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”Ð”!
10:31	whiskers75	PLS
10:31	reactor	Oh. :(
10:31	whiskers75	Now it won't get unbanned, because Jordach will probably kill me for ever bringing it in anyway
10:32	* sfan5	meows at whiskers75
10:32	* whiskers75	hisses and walks off.
10:32	* reactor	ÐœÐ•ÐžÐ’Ð¡ ÐÐ¢ Ð’Ð¥Ð˜Ð¡ÐšÐ•Ð Ð¡75
10:33	* whiskers75	meows back
10:33	* sfan5	flips reactor
10:34	* reactor	looks at reactor strangely.
10:34	whiskers75	à² _à²
10:34	whiskers75	sfan5: pls2unbanning?
10:34	sfan5	nah
10:34	whiskers75	:(
10:34	reactor	Ð©ÐÐ˜Ð¢ Ð”Ð™ Ð”Ð Ð Ð“Ð•, ÐÐ˜Ð£Ð¤ÐÐ•?
10:36	whiskers75	reactor: 'SHTAIT DI DRRGE, AIUFNE'
10:36		SnowD joined #minetest
10:36	reactor	Ð˜Ðž
10:36	SnowD	:o
10:36	reactor	"Ð•Ð¯Ð¯ÐžÐ¯"
10:37	whiskers75	reactor: pls
10:37	SnowD	Ã–
10:37	reactor	Ð¢ÐÐÐ¢Ðª5 Ð¯16ÐÐ¢.
10:37	reactor	whiskers75: ?
10:37	whiskers75	PLS Ð”Ð ÐÐ•
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10:38	reactor	Ð£Ð•Ð¡!
10:38	whiskers75	https://translate.google.com/#auto/bg/PLS%20TO%20NOT
10:38	reactor	Ð˜Ðž!
10:38	reactor	Oh.
10:38	reactor	I see.
10:38	SnowD	Â¯\(Â°_o)/Â¯
10:38	reactor	Google Translate fails, though.
10:38	nman3600	hi i fixed my computer i think
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10:39	SnowD	are you posting from your computer?
10:39	SnowD	if yes, then it's fixed.
10:39	nman3600	me? yes
10:39	reactor	Try to translate this: "Ð¿Ð¾Ð´oÐ¿Ñ‹Ñ‚Ð½Ñ‹Ñ… Ð¸cÐ¿Ñ‹Ñ‚Ð°Ð»Ð¸ Ð³Ð°Ð»Ð»ÑŽÑ†Ð¸Ð½aÑ†Ð¸Ð¹".
10:39	reactor	nman3600: what was it?
10:39	whiskers75	podopytnyh icpytali gallyutsinatsy
10:39	nman3600	my fan was clogged up with dust
10:39	nman3600	i spent an hour cleaning it out and letting it cool down
10:40	reactor	Dust is a bitch.
10:40	nman3600	it's been on for half and hour and it's still cold
10:40	nman3600	IKR!!
10:40	whiskers75	yay pies http://blog.whiskers75.co.uk/pps-and-load-averages-with-a-piglow/
10:40	reactor	Ñ„Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰!
10:41	whiskers75	fshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtsht
10:41	reactor	yeah, google translate sucks.
10:41	reactor	it looks good.
10:42	reactor	It's a puzzle to mewhy they had to arrange lamps in such pattern.
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10:42	whiskers75	OH NO
10:42	reactor	It'd look better if they were straight lines.
10:42	whiskers75	IT'S JORDACH
10:42	* whiskers75	runs
10:42	reactor	Jordach: Ð³Ð”ÐŸÐ®Ð‘Ð¯Ð Ð‘Ð¡Ð˜Ð Ð•!
10:42	whiskers75	Jordach: I totally haven't been messing around with ^EOF and causing it to get banned because ShadowBot
10:43	nman3600	ohai Jordach
10:43	sfan5	o/ Jordach
10:43	Jordach	told you it was a fucking bad idea
10:43	Jordach	i didn't even have to DO it
10:43	* sfan5	meows at Jordach
10:43	whiskers75	I made a thing that reacted to reactor's strange lettering
10:43	whiskers75	and then he spammed it :P
10:43	sfan5	>strange lettering
10:44	SnowD	How's Minetest doing, btw?
10:44	sfan5	It's called Cyrillic script
10:44	sfan5	SnowD: good
10:44	SnowD	Good to hear that!
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10:44	* nman3600	hands sfan5 a CD of cat sounds with a bowl of milk
10:44	* whiskers75	jumps and meows at nman3600
10:44	SnowD	I wish more people would use it
10:44	reactor	Yeah that's right. I always get blamed for "strange lettering".
10:44	* sfan5	noms the CD and spits out a .flac file
10:44	* whiskers75	eats the .flac file
10:44	* nman3600	hands whiskers75 a bowl of milk
10:44	* sfan5	tap whiskers75
10:44	* whiskers75	starts meowing strangely
10:45	* whiskers75	laps the milk in between meows.
10:45	* sfan5	presses whiskers75 "eject" button
10:45	* whiskers75	vomits
10:45	* reactor	puts whiskers75 in a box.
10:45	* whiskers75	stops meowing strangely
10:45	* sfan5	cleans the .flac file and throws it at Jordach
10:45	* whiskers75	starts "playing with" reactor's box
10:45	reactor	In?
10:46	* nman3600	throws a toy towards sfan5 and whiskers75
10:46	* Jordach	doesn't have a problem with reactor's language
10:46	* whiskers75	is inside the box, slowly destroying it
10:46	* sfan5	meows at Jordach
10:46	* whiskers75	hisses at the approaching Jordach
10:46	* sfan5	plays with the toy
10:46	SnowD	uuh
10:46	SnowD	wat
10:46	* whiskers75	is more interested in the box
10:46	reactor	Jordach: in Ð¯Ñ†ssia, my language doesn't have a problem with you.
10:46	Jordach	<- extremely happy with diversism
10:46	whiskers75	same
10:47	reactor	Did anyone say "dive"?
10:47	* whiskers75	jumps out of the destroyed box and walks into the kitty litter box marked 'AFK'
10:47	* sfan5	opens a black hole in the kitty litter box
10:47	* whiskers75	dies
10:48	* whiskers75	is revived
10:48	* sfan5	closes the black hole and points the black hole gun at nman3600
10:48	nman3600	GO ON THEN
10:48	reactor	Run! He's a zombie kitten!
10:48	* whiskers75	walks into the titanium-plated box marked 'AFK'
10:48	* whiskers75	closes the lid
10:48	reactor	He who waitc behind the Ð©ÐÐ“Ð“!
10:48	* whiskers75	goes AFK
10:48	* sfan5	presses the trigger
10:48	sfan5	the black hole sucks in nman3600
10:48	nman3600	WOOOO A BLACK HOLE
10:48	* sfan5	hisses at the black hole
10:48	sfan5	black hole closes
10:48	* sfan5	meows :3
10:49	reactor	Ð£Ð•ÐÐ Ð” Ð’Ð“Ð”Ð¡Ðš ÐÐ¤Ð“Ð•!
10:49	* whiskers75	, momentarily un-AFKing, meows and a forcefield appears around the AFK box
10:49	* whiskers75	goes back into AFKland
10:49	* reactor	stands next to the force field and inverts the coordinates.
10:50	reactor	Mine.
10:50	* sfan5	imports antigravity ( http://xkcd.com/353/ )
10:50	reactor	Oh. I should have thought y'all would be in it, too.
10:51	* reactor	tries to process sfan5 with regex.
10:51	* nman3600	opens the black hole and comes out with a sombrero, pink mustache and a collection of cat toys
10:51	reactor	xombrero* it is
10:52	* sfan5	fires the mese laser gun at nman3600
10:52	* sfan5	puts reactor into XML tags
10:52	reactor	Beware, it's gonna segfault, nman3600
10:52	nman3600	OH NOOO
10:52	reactor	Ð˜Ð¤Ð¤Ð¤Ð¤Ð¤Ð¤Ð¤Ð¤Ð¤Ð¤Ð¤!
10:52	reactor	XMÐ“ is the caÐ˜c3Ð¯iiiiiiii
10:53	* sfan5	points the mese laser gun at nman3600s head
10:53	* sfan5	presses the trigger
10:53	* nman3600	traps sfan5 in a cage made of titanium and sends all the cats with her to space
10:53	* sfan5	purrs :3
10:53	* sfan5	slaps the titanium-cage
10:53	sfan5	cage is destroyed
10:53	* nman3600	fires a kitty canon to space
10:53	* sfan5	bites nman3600
10:53	* sfan5	gives nman3600 a bomb
10:54	reactor	"here, hold this!"
10:54	* nman3600	fires it into the blackhole in the litter boc
10:54	nman3600	*box
10:54	* sfan5	bits nman3600 again
10:54	sfan5	bites*
10:55	* nman3600	cut's sfan5's fur
10:55	* sfan5	slaps nman3600
10:55	* reactor	puts sfan5 in a box, and puts the box in a box, and puts the box in a box, and putx the box in a box, and pBUS ERROR.
10:55	* sfan5	throws a bus at reactor
10:56	* nman3600	throws a syntax error at sfan5
10:56	* sfan5	noms the error
10:56	sfan5	!up sfan5.duckdns.org 30005
10:56	MinetestBot	sfan5.duckdns.org:30005 is up (386ms)
10:56	sfan5	hm
10:56	* reactor	buys a ticket and rides the bus to the stack.
10:57	sfan5	why won't the server list accept it?
10:57	reactor	Misconfigured anÐ˜ounce?
10:57	sfan5	dunno
10:57	sfan5	should be fine
10:58	* nman3600	burps out a fisherman holding a bag of kittens eating fish at sfan5
10:58	nman3600	OH GOD
10:58	* sfan5	does nothing
10:59	* reactor	sfan5 looks strangely at
10:59	* sfan5	reactor :3 meows
11:00	nman3600	!seen the fisherman holding a bag of kittens eating fish
11:00	MinetestBot	nman3600: Sorry, I haven't seen the around.
11:01	reactor	SÑ„viet MeÑ„Ñ‰?
11:01	nman3600	!seen LemonLake
11:01	MinetestBot	nman3600: lemonlake was last seen at 2014-05-26 02:58:14 UTC on #minetest
11:02	reactor	Ð¡Ð°Ð˜ÑÐµÐ¯ Ðºilling the Ð™ is sfan5 guaranteed to a bag of kittens eating fish
11:03	reactor	Ð¼eÐ¶Ð´Ñƒ Ð¿Ñ€oÑ‡Ð¸Ð¼, Ð² ÐÐ²ÑÑ‚Ñ€aÐ»Ð¸Ð¸ Ð¾ÑˆNÐ±oÐº?
11:04	* sfan5	does nothing
11:06	* nman3600	is bored
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11:47	LemonLake	Yo
11:47	CraigyDavi	hi
11:52	LemonLake	Okay, I've just found a strange issue.
11:52	LemonLake	Whenever I break a node, I only get one of it then never again. What I mean is, if I don't have it, I get it. Otherwise I don't.
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11:54	nman3600	hi
11:54	LemonLake	It might be the item_drops mod, actually
11:54	nman3600	i just found the weirdest condition ever it's called Hypertrichosis
11:54	nman3600	it makes your whole face hair
11:54	LemonLake	No, your whole body just grows a loooot of hair.
11:54	LemonLake	Werewolf syndrome.
11:54	nman3600	yep
11:54	LemonLake	Super puberty.
11:55	nman3600	LOL
11:55	LemonLake	What?
11:55	nman3600	it's kinda funny
11:55	LemonLake	Not really.
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11:55	LemonLake	I see that sneaky BT join
11:56	LemonLake	Nevermind my issue, I just removed the creative mode check from item_drops and it works.
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11:57	nman3600	i spent ages last night making 16 nodes
11:58	LemonLake	Yeah, you were up to eleven.
11:58	nman3600	yep
11:58	nman3600	because at first it failed so i had to get a bit of help and i done it in the end
11:59	LemonLake	Well I got world restoring to work
11:59	LemonLake	now I'm just working on making the world generator take less than 20 seconds because people don't read instructions so might think that the mod's not working
11:59	nman3600	well i've got the interior of a house to build but i'll do it latere
11:59	nman3600	*later
12:01	LemonLake	Well I'm gonna eat, I just woke up half an hour ago.
12:02	nman3600	yeah u did i've had lunch already
12:03	nman3600	would you count bricks as stones
12:03	LemonLake	Nein, why?
12:04	nman3600	i'm on a server i just made bricks and i want to put them in one of my chests and all my chests are neatly organized and i've got no where for bricks and it'll be a waste of time to make a chest just for 1 material
12:04	LemonLake	No it wouldn't
12:04	LemonLake	You'll be hoarding bricks before you know it
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12:05	nman3600	i'll put it somewhere maybe sell it
12:06	nman3600	i just made a chest for it
12:06	nman3600	lol
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12:14	nman3600	hello Gambit
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12:18	reactor	Certificate verification failed for /C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert SHA2 Extended Validation Server CA
12:18	reactor	I have no idea what I'v just read.
12:19	LemonLake	Is digicert your ISP?
12:19	LemonLake	Wiat, nevermind that
12:19	LemonLake	that's a dumb question
12:19	LemonLake	Just looks like your certificate failed, that's all
12:22	nman3600	woah LemonLake never realised u returned
12:22	LemonLake	I'm stealthy.
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12:25	LemonLake	Hey kaeza
12:25	kaeza	mornings
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12:45	nman3600	Hey kaeze
12:45	nman3600	kaeza*
12:49	LemonLake	Hey niall, we might have to do some testing in a minute if you're interested
12:50	LemonLake	I'm adding godmode and about to add teams
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12:51	nman3600	k LemonLake
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13:01	fireglow	do you guys know of a home mod, i.e. /sethome and /home or something?
13:01	fireglow	ah, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=741
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13:03	nman3600	fireglow minetest next has it
13:04	nman3600	wait xyz is no longer banned?
13:04	fireglow	that mod works just fine
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13:04	nman3600	dude sfan5 is unbanned :D
13:05	nman3600	:O*
13:05	LemonLake	he was banned?
13:05	nman3600	yes from the forum
13:05	nman3600	not sfan5
13:05	nman3600	i mean xyz
13:05	LemonLake	why would a moderator be banned
13:06	nman3600	no i mean cyz
13:06	nman3600	xyz*
13:06	LemonLake	why would an admin be baned???
13:06	nman3600	do you not remember?
13:06	LemonLake	:o xyz plays on buildcraft
13:06	LemonLake	no i dont
13:06	LemonLake	im dumb tell me
13:07	nman3600	xyz was banned from the forum when you started playing minetet
13:07	nman3600	*minetest
13:07	LemonLake	no why would i remember something like that
13:07	nman3600	well xyz is no unbanned
13:07	fireglow	well, why WAS he banned, then
13:07	LemonLake	^
13:07	nman3600	idk
13:09	fireglow	ah well
13:09	LemonLake	He was never banned
13:09	LemonLake	He just set his title to banned
13:10	fireglow	heuhue
13:10	reactor	!up mike402.no-ip.biz 50000
13:10	MinetestBot	mike402.no-ip.biz:50000 seems to be down
13:10	fireglow	!up firc.de 30000
13:10	MinetestBot	firc.de:30000 is up (136ms)
13:10	fireglow	damn straight
13:11	reactor	!up mike402.no-ip.biz 50000
13:11	MinetestBot	mike402.no-ip.biz:50000 seems to be down
13:12	LemonLake	http://imgur.com/vMknqpe
13:12	LemonLake	damn straight
13:12	LemonLake	making progress
13:12	nman3600	lol
13:12	sfan5	meow
13:12	* nman3600	strokes sfan5
13:12	LemonLake	I should probably update minetest, actually
13:12	sfan5	nman3600: xyz was never banned
13:12	LemonLake	^
13:12	LemonLake	Like I said, he just set his title to banned
13:13	nman3600	i thought he was because most posts said he was but they seem to have been deleted
13:13	LemonLake	Don't believe what you read on the internet.
13:13	LemonLake	sfan5 - what is the benefit of upgrading from 9e8bbea to 60e6368?
13:14	reactor	!up mike402.no-ip.biz 50000
13:14	MinetestBot	mike402.no-ip.biz:50000 is up (175ms)
13:14	reactor	Finally.
13:14	sfan5	do i look like i know changed between two commit ids by heart?
13:14	sfan5	<3 MinetestBot
13:14	MinetestBot	<3 sfan5
13:14	sfan5	LemonLake: just update..
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13:14	LemonLake	Okay, I'm struggling to use the new github layout >;(
13:14	nman3600	<3 lua
13:14	LemonLake	</3 lua
13:15	nman3600	<3 MinetestBot
13:15	MinetestBot	<3 nman3600
13:15	nman3600	:D
13:15	LemonLake	"Item entity stacks merge on the ground. â€¦" hell yeah im upgrading
13:16	nman3600	is that the thing that RealBadAngel was making?
13:16	LemonLake	yeah, commit c8a99404e8
13:16	LemonLake	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/18fe277d949a82fcc6fbc47c734df514d3ea1f52
13:17	* sfan5	meows :3
13:17	* nman3600	strokes sfan5
13:17	* sfan5	purrs
13:17	LemonLake	items on the floor despawn now, too
13:17	LemonLake	+# Time in seconds for item entity to live. Default value: 900s +# Setting it to -1 disables the feature +#item_entity_ttl = 900
13:20	LemonLake	Niall, update to 60e6368! it has carbone!
13:20	LemonLake	http://sfan5.pf-control.de/minetest-builds/minetest/minetest-0.4.9-60e6368-win32.7z
13:21	nman3600	i have carbone
13:21	LemonLake	get it anyway because i said so
13:21	reactor	Hmm.
13:22	LemonLake	holy crap carbone is more than just a game, it's a whole flipping modpack
13:22	reactor	Either lately clients have received ability to repeat click super fast, or I've got a player with a cracked game.
13:22	LemonLake	most likely the latter
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13:22	nman3600	i already i have carbone
13:22	nman3600	hi Krock
13:22	LemonLake	yo Krock
13:22	LemonLake	niall, get the update
13:22	Krock	I feel stalked
13:22	LemonLake	not carbone
13:23	LemonLake	damn rgiht
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13:24	sfan5	LemonLake: all my builds have carbone & minetest next preinstalled
13:24	LemonLake_	Damn, which was the right world, "be", "berd", "eaf", "eeeeeeerk", "ffffffff", "nerg", "net" or "nnnnnn"
13:24	LemonLake_	I'm aware sfan
13:24	LemonLake_	Niall, get the update anyway. It has cool features.
13:24	sfan5	LemonLake: does the 64bit version work for you?
13:25	LemonLake_	Not sure. Last time I tried a 64bit build it didn't, despite the fact that I'm on 64bit.
13:25	LemonLake_	Wy?
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13:25	LemonLake_	Why*
13:25	sfan5	please try again
13:25	LemonLake_	Will do.
13:25	* Megaf	pets sfan5
13:25	Megaf	Hello everyone
13:25	* sfan5	purrs at Megaf
13:26	LemonLake_	Yo
13:26	LemonLake_	The font looks different. It's pissing me off.
13:26	nman3600	LemonLake nothing new that i had before
13:27	LemonLake_	Heuwhat
13:27	LemonLake_	Oh.
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13:28	LemonLake	Niall, teams are about 30% complete
13:28	LemonLake	I haven't added godmode yet though
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13:33	LemoNlake	And sfan, it works
13:33	sfan5	yay
13:33	sfan5	that is good
13:33	sfan5	the first 64bit builds where are bit chaosy
13:34	sfan5	s/chaosy/chaos-y/
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13:34	LemoNlake	How can I give a player a property?
13:34	LemoNlake	I don't quite understand set_properties
13:35	LemoNlake	Oh, player.lua has an example
13:41	nman3600	I FOUND A NYAN CAT ON MINETEST
13:41	nman3600	Krock has anyone found one on your server?
13:42	Krock	Hey sfan5, I wasn'table to fix those ( http://pastebin.com/Lz3cTtMw ) errors, can you help me? I recompiled OpenAl but it still throws the same errors
13:42	Krock	nman3600, i don't know
13:42	nman3600	Krock i found a nyan cat on your server in my mine
13:42	Krock	then yes
13:42	Krock	congrats
13:43	nman3600	my heart is pounding i can't breathe
13:43	sfan5	Krock: use make
13:43	Krock	sfan5, make? huh
13:43	sfan5	yeah
13:43	Krock	Explain me please, what you mean by "make"
13:43	LemoNlake	either cmake or http://www.gnu.org/software/make/
13:43	Krock	already got cmake btw
13:47	sfan5	Krock: GNU make
13:47	LemoNlake	yep, that's this: http://www.gnu.org/software/make/
13:47	* whiskers75	meows at sfan5
13:47	* sfan5	meows at whiskers75
13:47	Krock	sfan5, and use make on... minetest project or what?
13:48	sfan5	yes
13:48	sfan5	tell cmake to generate a makefile and use that
13:48	LemoNlake	cmake for the makefile, then compile it with make
13:48	LemoNlake	?
13:49	LemonLake	sfan, do you think that you or the other developers can create a c++ error screen or something of the likes?
13:49	LemonLake	for example, when making a silly typo like get_palyer_name() it crashes the game without an error
13:50	sfan5	LemonLake: it should show you a luaerror
13:50	LemonLake	It does not :/
13:51	sfan5	but it could be more user friendly
13:51	LemonLake	Indeed
13:51	sfan5	no?
13:51	sfan5	lemme test
13:51	LemonLake	I often get crashes instead of lua errors
13:51	LemonLake	Usually if it's an inbuilt method I think
13:53	reactor	How come I can't see my health?
13:53	sfan5	it works for me
13:53	LemonLake	Strange. Must be my machine or something
13:53	LemonLake	Reactor: are you in creative?
13:54	sfan5	reactor: could be an incompatible game
13:54	sfan5	(subgame)
13:54	LemonLake	^
13:54	reactor	No, survival.
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13:54	reactor	Updated server and client, and now it's happening.
13:54	LemonLake	But what game?
13:54	LemonLake	minetest_game, minetest_next, cubane?
13:54	reactor	Minetest
13:54	reactor	minetest_game, exactly
13:55	LemonLake	That's been on hiatus for a while, tried switching to minetest_next?
13:55	reactor	I didn't update the game itself, though.
13:55	reactor	I can't be bothered to port the map.
13:55	Krock	sfan5, I searched over google how to convert cmakelists.txt to a makefile but there wasn't anything about it. This because there's no makefile in the MT-master
13:55	sfan5	lolwat
13:55	sfan5	did you even listen
13:55	sfan5	use cmake
13:55	LemonLake	To make a makefile
13:55	sfan5	tell cmake to generate a makefile
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13:56	Krock	how the hell?
13:56	sfan5	you use the cmake GUI, right?
13:56	Krock	ah yes, there's a gui
13:57	LemonLake	Pressing generate will make the makefile for you
13:57	sfan5	Krock: do file->delete cache, then press configure, it should ask you what to generate
13:58	LemonLake	there's a lot of makefile generators in there
13:58	Krock	ok, I'll try
13:58	LemonLake	which specific?
13:59	Krock	CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly.
13:59	Krock	wtf
13:59	Krock	over cmd it works
13:59	Krock	nvm
13:59	LemonLake	Did you even configure it?
13:59	nman3600	Krock: i placed it infront of your home then took it back to show u http://imgur.com/XXf21QZ
14:06	LemonLake	jk
14:06	LemonLake	hm
14:06	LemonLake	weird
14:07	nman3600	what is?
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14:14	sfan5	o/ jordan4ibanez
14:14	jordan4ibanez	\o sfan5
14:15	nman3600	hey jordanibanez
14:16	Krock	wut? lua library not found? be4 it was found
14:16	reactor	Hmm. So many guests, again.
14:17	reactor	Apple client allowing Guest nicks?
14:21	Megaf	can anyone give me a hand with Lua? I don't know Lua yet I'm trying to do crazy things
14:21	Megaf	http://paste.debian.net/101873/
14:21	sfan5	Megaf: just ask
14:22	Megaf	sfan5: I asked, vua pastebin :)
14:22	Megaf	s/vua/via
14:23	sfan5	Megaf:
14:24	LemonLake	Is coloured text in the chat possible?
14:24	Megaf	by the way, more info on lua multithreading here https://cmr.github.io/lanes/
14:24	sfan5	local lanes = require "lanes".configure()
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14:24	sfan5	f = lanes.gen(function() for i=100000,1,-1 do print(i) end end)
14:24	sfan5	f()
14:24	sfan5	f()
14:24	sfan5	done
14:24	LemonLake	omg i need that so much
14:25	sfan5	LemonLake: no
14:25	LemonLake	damn
14:25	LemonLake	is there any sort of magical workaround?
14:25	LemonLake	like drawing text to the hud, with different colours
14:26	sfan5	uh no
14:26	LemonLake	Crap, is there at least a way to draw text to the hud?
14:26	LemonLake	The same way you'd draw statusbars
14:26	Megaf	sfan5: did not work
14:27	sfan5	Megaf: what did not work?
14:27	LemonLake	ah, found the text hudtype
14:27	Megaf	sfan5: the thing you just wrote here
14:28	sfan5	Megaf: what does it say? "does not work" is not very descriptive
14:28	Megaf	It does not say anything
14:28	Megaf	$ ./test.lua
14:28	Megaf	$
14:28	Krock	LU HW%Z)(/Ã§&"(&%)( cmake erasesall my changes
14:28	Megaf	and does not do anything either
14:28	LemonLake	So I'm about to create a page regarding hud creation etc, what would be an ideal name for it?
14:28	LemonLake	This is on the dev wiki
14:29	nman3600	can someone help me with a texture i have the texture i made but i need the red on it a bit darker
14:29	nman3600	anyone offering to help
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14:29	LemonLake	I'll help.
14:29	LemonLake	Skype me the texture
14:29	nman3600	k
14:29	sfan5	tip: use mediacru.sh
14:29	Megaf	I may buy a book about Lua
14:29	LemonLake	nman3600; just drag/drop the file into the chat box in skype
14:29	sfan5	Megaf: maybe lua lanes does not support print in threads
14:31	jordan4ibanez	Hello nman3600
14:31	* sfan5	meows at jordan4ibanez
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14:36	LemonLake	Can I force respawn a player (kill them then respawn them without them having to press respawn)?
14:37	Krock	player:setpos()
14:38	reactor	Why aren't players automatically respawned after some delay?
14:39	LemonLake	Krock, does that actually respawn them?
14:39	Krock	it teleports them
14:39	LemonLake	umm
14:44	nman3600	my elbows bleeding D:
14:47	Krock	lol... over those 2 days, my CPU generated 4x 500 MB data and deleted it, to do the current loop
14:47	Krock	well done.
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14:50	LemonLake	Okay, added the hud definitions to http://dev.minetest.net/Player#Methods
14:50	LemonLake	Now I have to actually make the HUD page...god damnit why
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15:07	CraigyDavi	Hi everyone
15:08	nman3600	Hi CraigyDavi
15:09	reactor	Why does MT server say "character conversion failed"?!
15:09	reactor	Why ever need to try to convert UTF-8 into something else?!
15:10	LemonLake	- number: An integer containing the RGB value of the color used to draw the text. Specify 0xFFFFFF for white text, 0xFF0000 for red, and so on.
15:11	LemonLake	sfan5: Hud text CAN accept colors.
15:11	LemonLake	If I use multiple texts, I could get away with it. I only need red, white and blue.
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15:21	LemonLake	http://dev.minetest.net/HUD Just finished :D
15:21	LemonLake	Hmm, notes seem to bugger up the text
15:23	rubenwardy	Don't you love these types of people: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=142847#p142847
15:23	LemonLake	They're the best kind of people!
15:23	rubenwardy	Programmers do magic things with computers, so they must be able to magically read minds
15:23	Calinou	hi
15:23	LemonLake	They give so much information, offer lots of help and in some cases even do it for you!
15:24	Krock	rubenwardy, I <3 those people cough
15:24	* LemonLake	chokes
15:24	nman3600	LemonLake are we gonna test it then
15:24	LemonLake	Still working on it, clam down,
15:24	LemonLake	I got sidetracked.
15:24	nman3600	lol clam
15:24	LemonLake	Yes. Clam.
15:25	Krock	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&p=142860#p142860
15:25	Krock	first thought: lol
15:25	Krock	2nd: wtf?
15:26	nman3600	mine was the same i just looked at that a min ago
15:26	Calinou	ClamAV!
15:26	Calinou	http://dev.minetest.net/HUD â†’ ??? Some text is outside the area
15:26	LemonLake	Yep, notes seem to bug out the page.
15:26	LemonLake	It doesn't do it in preview mode
15:27	Krock	Calinou, "hud_set_hotbar_i.." and following are bigger than normal
15:28	LemonLake	Guys, I'm aware.
15:28	LemonLake	I even said it twice.
15:28	Krock	why not 5 times?
15:28	LemonLake	I've been trying to fix {{Template:Note}} for the past 16 hours.
15:28	Krock	please say again
15:29	Calinou	I'm fixing it up
15:29	Krock	oh. at least one who used more time on something which would have easy alternatives
15:29	LemonLake	Calinou
15:29	LemonLake	Don't
15:29	LemonLake	I'm halfway through a major edit
15:29	Calinou	<_<
15:29	Calinou	I was at least going to fix styling
15:29	LemonLake	That's what I'm fixing.
15:29	LemonLake	I'm doing it to the entire wiki.
15:29	Calinou	so I'll let you do what you're doing right now
15:29	Calinou	maybe it's because you're using notes in a list
15:29	LemonLake	That's the issue.
15:30	Calinou	then don't do it
15:30	Calinou	use italics, bold, colour
15:30	LemonLake	That's what I figured out.
15:30	LemonLake	They're fixed now.
15:30	Krock	woo! same status as 1 hour ago. such things make me happy
15:30	LemonLake	Dafuq
15:30	LemonLake	Why is Template:Know yellow
15:31	LemonLake	Oh I see
15:31	LemonLake	Lol, okay.
15:31	Calinou	http://dev.minetest.net/File:exclamation.png â†’ not flat design :(
15:31	Calinou	LemonLake, red is harder to read and looks scary
15:31	LemonLake	Yeah
15:31	rubenwardy	I suggest you make " 0x00FF00" slightly darker.
15:31	Calinou	you can make a separate one with red background, but keep that to risks of data loss (eg. database migration)
15:31	Krock	BLOOOD
15:31	LemonLake	Rest of the edits are up to you guys now :P
15:32	LemonLake	If you make 0x00FF00 slightly darker, be sure to change what it says too
15:32	Krock	0x1E1
15:32	LemonLake	That's a dark gray
15:32	Krock	that's green
15:32	Krock	wait
15:32	LemonLake	Oh yep, you're right
15:32	Krock	* #1E1
15:32	Calinou	that's green indeed
15:33	Krock	now it's green
15:33	LemonLake	Sorry, I read it wrong
15:33	Calinou	short codes look more confusing to me than full ones, except when I'm used to it
15:33	LemonLake	Yeah.
15:33	LemonLake	I only use short codes in things like #999
15:33	Calinou	what is #1E1? #10E010 or #1FEF1F?
15:33	Krock	wut? RGB is easier to read than RRGGBB
15:33	LemonLake	#11ee11
15:33	Calinou	I've taught myself to read hex colours
15:33	LemonLake	^
15:33	Calinou	very useful skill :P
15:34	Krock	Calinou, it repeats the number before as Lemon said
15:34	LemonLake	After years of web design I've never gotten used to triplet hex colors
15:34	Calinou	OK
15:34	Calinou	you generally don't need accuracy of full RGB though
15:34	LemonLake	We do need some nicer templates for the wiki though
15:34	Krock	a _always_ use #RGB, 3 numbers
15:34	Krock	s/a/I
15:34	Calinou	don't overuse templates
15:34	LemonLake	Of course not
15:34	Calinou	they put load on the server, which results in slower loading
15:34	Calinou	a Note template is fine though
15:35	LemonLake	Yeah, there are a lot of tl;dr people who skip the notes
15:35	LemonLake	If there's a template they stand out
15:35	Vazon	Hello Everyone
15:35	LemonLake	Yo yo yo
15:35	Calinou	hi Vazon
15:35	LemonLake	Okay nman3600; teams are being added now. No more sidetrack.
15:35	Vazon	Hi LemonLake and Calinou :3
15:36	PenguinDad	Hello Vazon and everypony!
15:36	LemonLake	Hey hey hey
15:36	Vazon	Hi Penguin and..... who ever you talking to
15:37	nman3600	hi
15:37	LemonLake	(stay outta my shed)
15:37	* nman3600	slowly creeps into LemonLake's shed
15:37	* LemonLake	chainsaws nman3600's head off
15:37	* nman3600	makes a black hole to another dimension and sends LemonLake there
15:37	LemonLake	Ã³.Ã³
15:38	LemonLake	that's not correct
15:38	nman3600	6.6
15:38	LemonLake	nah
15:38	LemonLake	Ã³.Ã³ all the way
15:38	nman3600	i can't do that face
15:38	LemonLake	yes you can
15:38	LemonLake	hold down alt + o
15:39	nman3600	nope
15:39	Jordach	alt gr + o might do it
15:39	LemonLake	Yep
15:39	LemonLake	alt gr
15:39	nman3600	it's alt gr you idiot
15:39	LemonLake	but on his laptop it's usually alt that works
15:39	Krock	ctrl alt del
15:39	LemonLake	niall
15:39	LemonLake	press alt + f4 then enter immediately after
15:39	Krock	doesn't work
15:40	nman3600	no
15:40	nman3600	no
15:40	nman3600	no
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15:40	LemonLake	see
15:40	LemonLake	it worked
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15:40	LemonLake	mauhahaha
15:40	Krock	can't reproduce
15:40	nman3600	lol i was kicked
15:40	LemonLake	it worked ya wanka
15:40	LemonLake	you was indeed
15:40	nman3600	Ã³.Ã³
15:40	LemonLake	Â¬12 test
15:40	LemonLake	Â¦12 test
15:40	LemonLake	crude
15:41	* Krock	gets error after 20min, sets a bit from 1 to 0 and waits again 20min
15:41	nman3600	Ã¡Ã©ÃÃ³Ãº
15:41	Krock	5R5\|_Y?
15:41	PenguinDad	Ã¦â‚¬â†’Ã¸â†“
15:41	LemonLake	gonna get a new client
15:41	LemonLake	webchat sucks scrotum
15:41	Krock	nettalk for the win
15:42	LemonLake	TAKE CONTROL
15:42	Krock	Ã
15:42	LemonLake	what the actual heck is that song niall
15:42	nman3600	FEEL THE ACTION
15:42	LemonLake	meh
15:42	nman3600	dude it's K-391
15:42	LemonLake	can we skip this one
15:42	nman3600	fine
15:43	nman3600	:(((((((((((()))))))))))))))))))))))))
15:43	* LemonLake	whistles then realises he cant whistle, this is uncanny
15:47	Krock	HAHA http://imgur.com/gallery/nlWK0vy
15:49	Krock	Also a good one http://imgur.com/gallery/nlWK0vy
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15:50	LemonLake	So that just happened.
15:50	[1]LemonLake	aaaaargh
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15:55	LemonLake	Okay, I'm here. Hi.
15:56	LemonLake	nman3600, can you say my username please?
15:56	Calinou	OrangeLake
15:56	* Calinou	runs
15:56	* LemonLake	finds the closest large object and gives calinou a slap with it
15:56	* rubenwardy	puts a kitten on LemonLake's head
15:57	nman3600	LemonLake i am going to drop out of the wait list after this song
15:57	LemonLake	And again?
15:57	nman3600	Lemonlake
15:57	nman3600	LemonLake
15:57	LemonLake	Okay, works.
15:58	PenguinDad	EHLO LemonLake
15:59	LemonLake	nman3600: we are the robots
15:59	LemonLake	This time for real; no sidetracking!
16:00	LemonLake	How would I get the highest node at a certain coordinate?
16:01	Krock	life is hard
16:01	Krock	http://imgur.com/gallery/3KCZq9X
16:02	Calinou	https://github.com/kaeza/minetest/commit/5f6cb872604daad7dc205f3fac6787cc2ffe2322
16:02	Calinou	this is great BTW
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16:07	rubenwardy	Yay for A* Pathfinding! https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxmzo8cniu3jh0q/pathfinder.png
16:08	ligeti	...
16:09	Krock	rubenwardy, very nice.
16:09	rubenwardy	Awesome debug log graphics XD
16:13	PenguinDad	!up ghostdoge.duckdns.org
16:13	MinetestBot	ghostdoge.duckdns.org:30000 is up (224ms)
16:14	ligeti	is it public?
16:14	PenguinDad	ligeti: not at the moment
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16:14	ligeti	OK
16:14	LemonLake	How would I get the highest node at a certain coordinate?
16:15	ligeti	Because I am looking for a good server to play but no luck!
16:15	LemonLake	Nobody? Aww...
16:15	LemonLake	I'm stumped now.
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16:17	rubenwardy	LemonLake: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9286
16:17	LemonLake	I'll just write the spawns to a txt
16:17	LemonLake	Oh neat.
16:17	LemonLake	Thanks
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16:19	LemonLake	Oh, that's really simple actually.
16:20	LemonLake	However the voxelmanip isn't even used
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16:20	LemonLake	Yes it is. I'm dumb.
16:20	LemonLake	Omg no it isnt
16:22	nman3600	Krock your server is so laggy today
16:24	Krock	fixed.
16:25	LemonLake	omfg rofl
16:25	LemonLake	http://i.imgur.com/VFjGlgP.png
16:26	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9280&p=142866#p142866 â†’ lol @ re-soldering
16:26	Calinou	Americans, always ready to solder things
16:27	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9345 â†’ I have yet to see an oerkki in real life
16:28	LemonLake	nman3600
16:28	LemonLake	here comes hard drop
16:28	Calinou	Google Chrome can speak for â€œmalwareâ€
16:28	LemonLake	Okay, what the actual fu*k
16:29	LemonLake	Calinou, all of your messages are just messed up for me
16:29	Calinou	use UTF-8 encoding
16:29	LemonLake	Yeah, that's a problem with hydrairc
16:29	LemonLake	the only options are in a huge flipping list with no search function
16:31	LemonLake	nman3600, no woot?
16:35	LemonLake	File "minetestmapper2.py", line 92
16:35	LemonLake	print "w="+str(w)+" h="+str(h)
16:36	LemonLake	syntax error at the second "
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16:44	LemonLake	I'm really annoyed because it takes ages for the schematic to be placed, so whenever there's a silly error and I fix it, i have to wait 20s for the world to load D:
16:53	LemonLake	Oh neat, in the new version dropped items are 3D
16:56	Krock	(me already had it before it got added to builtin)
16:58	LemonLake	sound just died
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17:01	LemonLake	nman3600; I think it's done.
17:01	* sfan5	meows at LemonLake
17:01	LemonLake	What was that about?
17:01	sfan5	LemonLake: you can use any RGB color
17:01	* nman3600	strokes sfan5
17:01	* sfan5	meows at nman3600
17:01	nman3600	LemonLake i'm ready
17:01	LemonLake	You're quite behind sfan?
17:01	sfan5	yes
17:01	* nman3600	hands sfan5 a bowl of milk
17:01	sfan5	I was not there
17:01	* sfan5	noms the bowl
17:02	LemonLake	I don't even know what you're responding to.
17:02	nman3600	your color text thing i think
17:02	sfan5	<LemonLake>21 sfan5: Hud text CAN accept colors.
17:02	sfan5	<LemonLake> If I use multiple texts, I could get away with it. I only need red, white and blue.
17:02	LemonLake	Well nman, I thought I had it until I renamed it then everything broke.
17:02	LemonLake	I know sfan.
17:03	LemonLake	My question is, can you use colors WITHIN text?
17:03	LemonLake	for multi-color text?
17:03	sfan5	no
17:03	LemonLake	Damn.
17:03	LemonLake	I may need expert help in a minute.
17:05	LemonLake	You've got to be fu*king kidding me
17:05	LemonLake	Once again, the errorless crashes.
17:06	sfan5	did you look in debug.txt?
17:06	LemonLake	Of course.
17:06	sfan5	paste the part where there should be an error
17:07	LemonLake	Hold on,
17:08	LemonLake	Nothing even gets saved to it.
17:08	LemonLake	Nothing at all
17:09	sfan5	it should output something to the console at least
17:09	LemonLake	http://pastebin.com/LtJEsET3
17:10	LemonLake	I can tell you now that it has nothing to do with the texture.
17:10	LemonLake	Though I know when it's caused.
17:10	LemonLake	On a unique player's first join, they can get in.
17:10	LemonLake	On their second join and every other after that, errorless crash.
17:11	sfan5	hm
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17:13	PenguinDad	!up ghostdoge.duckdns.org
17:13	MinetestBot	ghostdoge.duckdns.org:30000 is up (233ms)
17:13	LemonLake	Would you like the source code?
17:14	Calinou	hi
17:14	PenguinDad	^^ could someone please connect there
17:14	Calinou	LemonLake, yes I would!
17:14	* Calinou	runs
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17:27	raffahacks	Hi
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17:29	raffahacks	Was asking, why does mt crash with segmentation fault on start on armv7 allwinner a20?
17:30	raffahacks	Can anyone help?
17:30	LemonLake	Don't be surprised if you get blanked
17:31	raffahacks	Why?
17:31	LemonLake	You get around 30 minutes where people will actually help then everyone dies for like 3 hours
17:32	Calinou	then ask on the forum, raffahacks
17:32	Calinou	give more information: OS? version (Git hash if applicable)?
17:32	LemonLake	sfan5, would you like the sauce?
17:33	raffahacks	Os fedora 19
17:36	nman3600	i'm trying to make a window that is 3D like a window but i'm failing an struggling help pls
17:37	LemonLake	3d like a window?
17:38	LemonLake	nman3600; 3d like a window?
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17:38	LemonLake	dafuq
17:39	nman3600_	i've tried a nodebox editor to do it but failed
17:39	LemonLake	3d like a window?
17:39	nman3600_	yes
17:39	LemonLake	yes, like i said, the nodebox editor is unreliable
17:39	LemonLake	did you even try googling
17:39	nman3600_	nyep
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17:39	LemonLake	if you googled you would know how to make a nodebox
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17:39	LemonLake	if you googled you would know how to make a nodebox
17:40	nman3600_	i followed the video but it didn't work
17:40	LemonLake	if you googled you would know how to make a nodebox
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17:40	LemonLake	ffs niall
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17:41	nman3600_	dafuq there's an account that was mine called nman3600 and it won't leave
17:41	LemonLake	yeah
17:41	LemonLake	you timed out three times
17:41	nman3600_	ik
17:41	LemonLake	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2117
17:41	LemonLake	already a mod for it
17:42	LemonLake	don't reinvent the wheel
17:42	nman3600_	no not like that
17:42	nman3600_	not window panes
17:42	LemonLake	oh
17:42	nman3600_	proper windows
17:42	LemonLake	they thing you want is extremely annoying to make
17:42	nman3600_	someone kick nman3600
17:42	LemonLake	it requires like loads of facedir checks and stuff, multiple models and possibly even it's own drawtype
17:42	LemonLake	niall, they're non-exsistant
17:42	Jordach	nman3600_, that won't work
17:42	nman3600_	ik
17:42	nman3600_	;(
17:42	LemonLake	you're the only one
17:42	Jordach	nman3600_, you mean http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/home
17:42	LemonLake	rofl what??
17:43	nman3600_	that's a fucking computer
17:43	LemonLake	no its not
17:43	LemonLake	and watch you're language, you're ten
17:43	nman3600_	:P
17:43	LemonLake	windows is an operating system
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17:43	LemonLake	get it right
17:43	nman3600_	ik it is
17:43	Calinou	nice, the fact I use SSH keys asks the password in a GUI
17:43	Calinou	(for Git pushing)
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17:44	LemonLake	gweeeeeeese
17:44	Calinou	first post-migration commit to Gitorious :)
17:44	LemonLake	no buddy gonna help me
17:45	Calinou	what do you need?
17:45	Calinou	the height check thing?
17:45	LemonLake	nein
17:45	LemonLake	[18:10] <LemonLake> On a unique player's first join, they can get in.
17:45	LemonLake	[18:10] <LemonLake> On their second join and every other after that, errorless crash.
17:46	Calinou	did you put the source code somewhere?
17:47	LemonLake	only on a private bitbucket repo
17:47	Calinou	ask on the forum, if you don't get an answer here
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17:47	LemonLake	i would rather not put the source code up publically until it's release
17:47	Calinou	private :'(
17:47	Calinou	why not?
17:47	LemonLake	but I can give you it
17:47	LemonLake	over query
17:47	LemonLake	give me a moment
17:47	Calinou	you'd benefit much more from it
17:47	Calinou	people would be actually able to help :P
17:47	LemonLake	well okay
17:47	Calinou	I don't think I can help you by myself
17:47	LemonLake	but let me change account
17:47	Calinou	I'm not a very experimented Lua programmer
17:47	LemonLake	to be honest i hate forums
17:47	LemonLake	and the forums
17:48	LemonLake	okay, re-committing
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17:52	nman3600	hi
17:52	Calinou	hi nman3600
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17:52	Calinou	nman3600, what kind of windows were you asking for?
17:52	nman3600	Calinout a window node
17:52	LemonLake	He wanted fancy models with like windowsills and stuff
17:52	nman3600	Calinou*
17:52	Calinou	if you just want framed glass, it's easy to make
17:52	Calinou	there's a drawtype for it
17:53	LemonLake	He wanted fancy models with like windowsills and stuff
17:53	nman3600	i tried doing it with nodebox editor but fail
17:53	LemonLake	Calinou, we've already established it's not possible
17:53	LemonLake	Well it is but it's insanely complicated and he'd never understand
17:54	nman3600	i'm only ten :o
17:54	LemonLake	Calinou: https://bitbucket.org/LemonLake/ace-of-picks/overview
17:56	LemonLake	The main code is in the default mod
17:56	LemonLake	Mostly in ace.lua
17:58	Calinou	<nman3600> i'm only ten :o
17:58	Calinou	age doesn't mean much
17:58	LemonLake	^
17:59	Calinou	to design nodeboxes well, you need to be good at maths, and visualizing stuff â€œin your headâ€, if you're not using the editor
17:59	LemonLake	And, let's beat it, the editor isn't very reliable
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17:59	LemonLake	I'm thinking of making a new one.
17:59	nman3600	i used to be good at maths
17:59	LemonLake	Opinions everyone?
17:59	rubenwardy	It is quite buggy ATM
17:59	nman3600	LemonLake DO ITTT
17:59	LemonLake	There's no such thing as 'used to be good'
17:59	nman3600	i'm failing at most maths now
18:00	LemonLake	Because you don't bother.
18:00	Calinou	I've never managed to run the editor
18:00	LemonLake	Aiight, the git is synced
18:00	Calinou	LemonLake, how is it not reliable?
18:00	LemonLake	It's just very, very buggy.
18:00	LemonLake	The concept and design are fabulous
18:00	LemonLake	The bugs just need to be killed and it's top notch.
18:00	Calinou	yeah, it does feel â€œpatchyâ€, even judging by the looks
18:01	Calinou	it's the GTKRadiant of Minetest :D
18:01	LemonLake	haha
18:01	nman3600	how is this supposed to help me make the window
18:01	LemonLake	Rubenwardy, have you worked on NBE in a while?
18:01	rubenwardy	LemonLake: there is a version in development that has a lot of bugs fixed, but I can't release it yet as ShadNinja is working on it
18:01	LemonLake	Ah, okay
18:01	rubenwardy	Report bugs here: https://github.com/rubenwardy/NodeBoxEditor/issues?state=open
18:01	LemonLake	nman3600, look at that rain
18:01	LemonLake	so thin but so heavy
18:01	Calinou	be sure to put licensing information about your game
18:02	rubenwardy	I would also be interesting in seening videos of people using the editor, so I can improve it
18:02	LemonLake	Yeah, I'm halfway through that.
18:02	Calinou	look at how Carbone does it ;)
18:02	LemonLake	Right now I just want to get it working.
18:02	rubenwardy	*seeing
18:02	Calinou	(separate file to not clog up the main README)
18:02	LemonLake	I've got one I want to report
18:02	LemonLake	I'll do that now
18:02	nman3600	i give uo
18:02	nman3600	up*
18:02	Calinou	you only have 4 mods in your game?
18:03	Calinou	no bucket, fire and such?
18:03	Calinou	or are you halfway committing stuff?
18:03	LemonLake	Yep.
18:03	LemonLake	It's practically minimal.
18:03	LemonLake	Most of it will be custom
18:03	Calinou	:( that makes a game feel incomplete
18:03	LemonLake	Trust me, it's more beyond the building
18:03	LemonLake	It's mostly fighting
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18:03	Calinou	Ace of Spades-like game? then it's fine
18:03	Calinou	good idea, actually
18:03	LemonLake	Yeah.
18:03	LemonLake	It's ace of spades for minetest.
18:04	LemonLake	Not the valve one, the original BuildnShoot one
18:04	Calinou	I've played OpenSpades (compatible client) for 5 minutes, lol
18:04	LemonLake	A few minetesty touches to it along with a few extra features
18:04	Calinou	couldn't alt-tab, couldn't limit FPS or set vsyncâ€¦
18:04	LemonLake	Yeah, the original game has fallen behind since Valve acquired it.
18:05	LemonLake	I think they reverse-developed it.
18:05	Calinou	LemonLake, you may want to look at Carbone's throwing mod: it has golden arrows (more damage than normal ones), teleport arrows (similar to ender pearls)â€¦
18:05	Calinou	Valve acquired it? :o
18:05	Calinou	OpenSpades is a compatible client, so it can be called a bit reverse engineering
18:05	Calinou	it's a good thing we have it
18:05	LemonLake	http://aceofspades.com/
18:05	Calinou	it looks good, too
18:05	LemonLake	That's valve's one now.
18:05	LemonLake	Not the biggest fan of it, but I really enjoy the block falling feature.
18:06	LemonLake	rubenwardy, I gave a quick issue.
18:06	Calinou	block falling?
18:06	LemonLake	If blocks are not attached to anything, (i.e floating), they fall.
18:06	LemonLake	Like if you knock out the pillars of a huge structure, it will fall and crumble
18:07	Calinou	also, what is this: https://bitbucket.org/LemonLake/ace-of-picks/src/578abd74e5f62ef7b312da82686508ffb65ce3f9/mods/default/falling.lua?at=master
18:07	LemonLake	That's what the trees use.
18:07	LemonLake	And many other blocks will too
18:07	Calinou	default game doesn't have it
18:07	Calinou	that's why I was asking :P
18:07	LemonLake	If you knock out a tree, the rest falls like normal falling nodes
18:07	LemonLake	Except when they land, they drop an item instead of settling like a normal block
18:07	Calinou	OK
18:09	nman3600	how to make a hole in node box
18:09	LemonLake	You don't
18:09	Calinou	you'll need to use several nodeboxes
18:09	LemonLake	You make several around it
18:10	Calinou	usually 2 to 4
18:10	nman3600	ohk
18:10	Calinou	nodeboxes are actually pretty logical
18:10	LemonLake	Each nodebox is just another cube
18:10	LemonLake	As long as you can work out the values, you're good to go
18:11	rubenwardy	LemonLake: replied
18:13	ShadowNinja	whiskers75: NO. MORE. BOTS.
18:14	LemonLake	Ã³.Ã³
18:14	LemonLake	Hey Shadow, could you have a look at something for me?
18:15	Jordach	I FRIGGIN CALLED IT
18:15	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: Sure, what is it?
18:15	LemonLake	Basically, when a new player (unique username) joins, they can join and play perfectly fine.
18:15	LemonLake	As soon as they join for a second time, however, the game crashes with no error.
18:15	LemonLake	https://bitbucket.org/LemonLake/ace-of-picks/
18:16	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: Latest Git?
18:16	LemonLake	Yep.
18:16	LemonLake	Latest.
18:17	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: Hmmm, that shouldn't happen. Are you on Linux or BSD?
18:18	LemonLake	Neither, Windows
18:18	LemonLake	It's a problem in my code.
18:18	LemonLake	I get errorless crashes if there's a problem in lua.
18:18	Krock	how do I cut off the end of a string if it's too long?
18:18	LemonLake	Usually when it's a thing like a method that's not being called properly.
18:18	Krock	(lua)
18:18	LemonLake	Trim or substring
18:19	Krock	ok thx
18:19	LemonLake	substring only*
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18:19	rubenwardy	The thing with NBE, is that I can not fix bugs if I do not know about them (LemonLake, Calinou). Thank you for reporting that bug, though, LemonLake.
18:20	LemonLake	np
18:20	nman3600	it didn;t work
18:20	nman3600	wait
18:20	LemonLake	Niall
18:20	nman3600	yes
18:20	LemonLake	You're gonna be making at least four different models.
18:20	LemonLake	If not more
18:21	LemonLake	Don't bother!
18:21	rubenwardy	There are two thing that irrate me: I can't work out how to fix Calinou's problem, and I don't know why the top right viewport is so messed up.
18:21	Jordach	lel
18:22	nman3600	:( i really wanted to make the window
18:22	ShadowNinja	Aaaaand minetestserver went to 70% mem and locked up my computer.
18:22	Jordach	<- reasons why i prefer blender for nodeboxing
18:22	LemonLake	You can use blender for nodeboxes???/
18:22	LemonLake	:D
18:22	Jordach	i once did it
18:22	Jordach	takes a while to do it
18:22	ShadowNinja	I'm still waiting on lzma to compress a map backup.
18:22	Jordach	but i might make a basic tutoral with sound and shiz
18:23	nman3600	i don't have blender!!!!!!!!!!
18:23	LemonLake	Niall
18:23	LemonLake	Calm the hell down
18:23	LemonLake	I said don't bother for now
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18:24	LemonLake	Shadow, are you testing it?
18:24	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: That shouldn't happen, I added error handlers to everything that calls Lua and it should print a traceback.
18:24	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: Nope, busy with other things ATM.
18:24	LemonLake	Weird
18:25	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: Must be a Windows issue. Install Lunux. ;-)
18:26	LemonLake	Working on that right now :)
18:26	LemonLake	It's a matter of compiling it on linux
18:27	SnowD	So, when will minetest be able to replace Minec*aft?
18:27	LemonLake	When the community grows but doesn't turn into 6 year old kids trying to act smart and ruining everything
18:27	SnowD	That's a thing that happened?
18:28	SnowD	I had no idea :I
18:28	LemonLake	Have you not seen the minecraft community?
18:28	SnowD	Well, I'm part of it.
18:28	reactor	Congratulations.
18:28	SnowD	but I'm still interested in open-source projects
18:28	LemonLake	Okay :)
18:28	SnowD	which is why I'm here ;D
18:29	LemonLake	Whoa
18:29	LemonLake	linux cinnamon looks sexy
18:29	LemonLake	definitely getting it
18:29	SnowD	I tried Minetest a few times, last time not too long ago
18:29	SnowD	It looks
18:29	SnowD	alpha
18:29	reactor	LemonLake: users like you are ruining UNIX.
18:29	SnowD	xD
18:29	LemonLake	"users like you are ruining UNIX."
18:29	LemonLake	Can you elaborate?
18:30	SnowD	mapgen was pretty boring and it crashed/hung
18:30	SnowD	but that aside, it was promising!
18:30	Calinou	Minetest shouldn't crash, since like 2011
18:30	LemonLake	The modding API definitely needs to be improved
18:30	LemonLake	Actually, devs, out of interest
18:30	Calinou	the mapgen has jungles and dungeons but they are not present by default
18:30	nman3600	ooh maybe adding a poster to my mod and it'll be a poster of the minetest logo
18:31	LemonLake	Could I even start helping with expanding the Lua API?
18:31	Calinou	LemonLake, #minetest-dev
18:31	SnowD	well, the map was like stone hills as far as I could see/walk xD
18:31	Calinou	you need C++ knowledge
18:31	LemonLake	Which I have quite a bit of.
18:31	Calinou	you need to be familiar with the code base first
18:31	LemonLake	I mean, if I were to make active pull requests would they be happy to take them
18:31	LemonLake	That may take some time
18:31	ShadowNinja	SnowD: That's the expirimental v7 mapgen, use v6.
18:31	Calinou	which kind of features would you make?
18:31	Calinou	communication is important: talk before implementing
18:31	ShadowNinja	SnowD: v7 requires a game that adds biomes for it.
18:31	Calinou	this may avoid you crying due to one of your PRs not being merged
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18:32	LemonLake	I'm unsure yet.
18:32	Calinou	or worse, being closed immediatly
18:32	LemonLake	What would you guys like to see?
18:32	whiskers75	ShadowNinja: what?
18:32	whiskers75	I got pinged
18:32	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: http://dev.minetest.net/TODO
18:33	ShadowNinja	whiskers75: No more bots.
18:33	LemonLake	Oh neat
18:33	LemonLake	"craft recipe drawing support"?
18:33	whiskers75	ShadowNinja: :( why not, out of interest?
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18:34	LemonLake	Creating the VDI now
18:34	ShadowNinja	whiskers75: Because you flood with them and don't ask to bring them in.
18:35	whiskers75	OK, I won't join any bots.
18:36	Calinou	â€œ Add configuration for DungeonGen
18:36	Calinou	Add configuration for CaveGen â€
18:36	Calinou	how easy are these items, ShadowNinja?
18:36	Calinou	are these just minetest.conf settings?
18:36	LemonLake	What's craft recipe drawing support?
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18:36	ShadowNinja	Calinou: Sounds like just adding some g_settings->get() calls with proper caching.
18:37	LemonLake	^
18:37	Calinou	you could do that :P
18:37	Calinou	as a training
18:37	LemonLake	Me?
18:37	SnowD	I cannot scroll inside minetest menus
18:38	LemonLake	Sounds basic, sounds good
18:38	LemonLake	just gotta wait half an hour for the VDI
18:38	Calinou	SnowD, there's an handle at the right
18:38	Calinou	VDI?
18:38	LemonLake	Virtual Disk Image
18:38	LemonLake	my linux machine is dead
18:38	LemonLake	so I'm using a VM
18:38	whiskers75	Linux ftw
18:38	Calinou	a kernel ftw
18:39	whiskers75	pls
18:39	whiskers75	pls(tm) ftw
18:39	SnowD	yea, but
18:40	SnowD	that's what a scrollwheel is for
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18:40	LemonLake	Hey PilzAdam, can you look at something for me?
18:40	ShadowNinja	SnowD: Works for me.
18:40	SnowD	strange
18:40	ShadowNinja	SnowD: Irrlicht probably handles that.
18:41	SnowD	oops
18:41	SnowD	I accidentialy closed the game
18:42	SnowD	but yea, tried the scrolling in the menu under Online Mod Repository
18:42	ShadowNinja	Anyone know of a good host for a 1.3GB gziped tarball?
18:43	LemonLake	If you've completed getting started on dropbox you get 50gb free sapce
18:43	LemonLake	space
18:43	SnowD	for some reason I cannot close the modstore anymore...
18:45	nman3600	what was the forum page for raillike again
18:45	ShadowNinja	This is going to take a while to upload...
18:45	LemonLake	Jsjzjsjzs niall, use google!
18:45	SnowD	btw, why does the player have no arm?
18:45	LemonLake	It does?
18:45	nman3600	LemonLake i did
18:45	nman3600	i can't find the page i used b4
18:46	Vazon	ShadowNinja: is there a reason the chainsaw in the technic mod will not work on claimed areas?? im using you areas mod
18:47	SnowD	I pressed "leave the game", but the console's still here...
18:47	LemonLake	I'm gonna eat while this VDI is being created. See ya in a bit, fellas.
18:48	SnowD	Well, I do see why Minetest isn't ready to replace "that one other game" yet.
18:50	ShadowNinja	Vazon: Yes, that would be a breach or protection.
18:50	Vazon	mhmm even is the player owns that land?
18:51	ShadowNinja	Vazon: In that case it should work.
18:51	Vazon	mhmm well isnt isnt on my server :\|
18:51	Vazon	it just drains the saws charge and then nothing happens to the tree
18:51	ShadowNinja	SnowD: What were the last few lines in the console?
18:52	SnowD	does the console save a log?
18:53	SnowD	found it
18:53	SnowD	it's
18:53	SnowD	20:48:11: INFO: event_handler(): Ctrl+C, Close Event, Logoff Event or Shutdown Event, shutting down.
18:54	ShadowNinja	Hmmm, it should have exited shortly after that.
18:54	SnowD	yea
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18:59	LemonLake	SnowD
19:00	SnowD	LemonLake
19:00	LemonLake	To be honest, I'm speaking from my own mind here but I think a lot of us can relate
19:00	NakedFury	hello channel
19:00	LemonLake	Minetest isn't supposed to 'replace' Minecraft
19:00	LemonLake	The game, while inspired by Minecraft, is going to be different
19:00	SnowD	I know.
19:00	nman3600	ugh i forgot the page i've got the poster set as "signlike"
19:00	LemonLake	I know a lot of people say that, but it's true
19:00	SnowD	Nothing will be able to, anyways.
19:00	nman3600	but it doesn't work best
19:01	LemonLake	It's similar to minecraft because that's what people like nowadays.
19:01	LemonLake	But they can enjoy a completely different experience.
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19:05	LemonLake	The mint is being installed, let's party!
19:06	nman3600	instead of {-0.5, -0.5, -0.5, 0.5, -0.4, 0.5}, for walls what is the one for floor?
19:06	LemonLake	Look at slabs :D
19:06	nman3600	i mean floors then walls
19:06	nman3600	what is it for walls
19:06	LemonLake	Oh.
19:06	LemonLake	Play around with the values
19:07	nman3600	ka
19:07	LemonLake	Oi niall
19:07	LemonLake	https://code.google.com/p/sproxel/
19:07	LemonLake	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7102
19:07	LemonLake	See if you can work that out.
19:07	LemonLake	It'll help a lot
19:08	LemonLake	Then when NBE 0.6.4 is released and stable, switch to that
19:10	nman3600	is it easy to use?
19:10	LemonLake	Never tried it.
19:10	LemonLake	Just googled it.
19:12	nman3600	testing in a few mins
19:12	LemonLake	Don't ask me how to set it up because I don't have a clue
19:13	LemonLake	I'm installing Mint right now, anyway.
19:13	nman3600	well i had to get sproxel itself and the plugin for minetest that
19:14	LemonLake	Come look at how fancy mint is
19:15	rubenwardy	LemonLake: Building a windows build for Node Box Editor 0.6.4
19:15	rubenwardy	Soon to be released (TM)
19:16	LemonLake	Woo!
19:16	LemonLake	If you have a Linux build coming out I'm happy to test it on my mint when it's done
19:16	LemonLake	It's installing the system now, then I have to get apps
19:18	LemonLake	Do I have to compile minetest?
19:18	LemonLake	I don't think it's much of an issue to but do I?
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19:19	Mikerhinos	hi
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19:20	LemonLake	Sorry, I closed IRC by accident.
19:20	LemonLake	Did I miss anytin?
19:22	MinetestBot	GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Fix setThreadName support for BSD 31f9912e9e 2014-05-26T15:20:06-04:00 http://git.io/aZKx5w
19:22	LemonLake	:DDD
19:25	rubenwardy	BRB
19:25	rubenwardy	LemonLake: You don't need to compile minetest to use NBE
19:26	LemonLake	What?
19:26	LemonLake	rubenwardy, I need to compile minetest on my mint...
19:28	reactor	So the problem with Russian lies in std::string wide_to_narrow(const std::wstring& wcs)
19:28	reactor	wcstombs() fails
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19:32	reactor	slow clap Set the locale, it started printing litle squares.
19:32	reactor	Despite IRC supporting UTF-8 properly.
19:33	LemonLake	nman3600 has the attention span of a goldfish
19:33	LemonLake	I bloody hate it
19:35	nman3600	BHEIASDas
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19:37	LemonLake	How do you set your nick in xchat?
19:37	LemonLake	Mine is stuck on 'arnold'
19:37	nman3600	LemonLake i'm so stupid i can find the raillike page i used in my history LOL
19:38	LemonLake	Nevermind.
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19:40	LemonLake_Mint	Et voilÃ
19:40	LemonLake_Mint	This is what happens when I find out software is shipped with operating systems. I make accounts for them.
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19:43	nman3600	found it!
19:44	LemonLake_Mint	Good for you
19:44	nman3600	took me ages
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19:46	Jordach	LemonLake_Mint, just use one name
19:46	Jordach	much easier to do
19:47	LemonLake_Mint	Jordach, I have three computers.
19:47	Jordach	LemonLake_Mint, use a bouncer or something
19:47	LemonLake	I had to set up the NickServ.
19:47	LemonLake	That's why I was on _Mint
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19:51	rubenwardy	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=142893#p142893
19:51	rubenwardy	!title
19:51	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: [Editor] Node Box Editor [0.6.4 -!- bug fixes] - Minetest Forums
19:51	rubenwardy	LemonLake, Calinou ^
19:52	LemonLake	Hell yeah!
19:52	LemonLake	Has it been tested on linux?
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19:52	LemonLake	I'm on my mint now, and I love it so much.
19:52	rubenwardy	Calinou: can you try to build the latest version, to see if the error persists
19:52	rubenwardy	LemonLake: it has been tested on Ubuntu
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19:54	LemonLake	Aight
19:56	nman3600	i've only just made one nod within one hour it was a hard node to make
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20:11	Jordach	>hard nodew
20:12	Jordach	seriously
20:12	Jordach	i spent a few hours on my liquid tanks alone
20:12	reactor	I still don't get it how to set up UTF-8 support.
20:13	Jordach	it's so weird without my neckbeard
20:13	reactor	I've set LANG environment, now "conversion failed" is gone, but I see rectanbles instead of Russian letters.
20:23	Megaf	LemonLake: You could give a try to Mint Debian
20:24	LemonLake	I'm fine with this
20:25	LemonLake	MRW "the package 'vlc' is already installed": http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/wtf/wtf%20(2).gif
20:26	Megaf	It's such fun to read the server log and read the conversations
20:26	Megaf	in real time
20:26	LemonLake	Haha
20:27	Megaf	LemonLake: Best Mint Eva! http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
20:28	LemonLake	I like regular Mint Cinnamon
20:28	LemonLake	Not a fan of Debian
20:28	Megaf	Debian for stability
20:30	LemonLake	nman3600
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20:38	LemonLake	Okay, time to get stuff.
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20:38	Megaf	Hey john_minetest
20:39	LemonLake	Hey john_minetest
20:39	SoniEx2	I have a question about games
20:39	SoniEx2	are 8388607 node IDs enough?
20:40	LemonLake	Is that how many you're using?
20:40	SoniEx2	I mean
20:40	SoniEx2	games in general
20:40	SoniEx2	which use blocks/nodes/cubes for their maps
20:40	LemonLake	It's rare that that limit will be reached.
20:40	LemonLake	But it's better to be on the safe side. You never know.
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20:46	Megaf	I was told the map was infinite
20:46	LemonLake	Around 32768 in all axis I think
20:46	LemonLake	If not, infinite
20:47	Megaf	well, just teleport to 32700 and fly fast to see what happens
20:47	Piggybear87	"public Server List" is crashing my client. Any ideas?
20:47	Jordach	Megaf, i once did that by modifying the map limit
20:48	Jordach	the world will continue upto ~32600
20:48	Jordach	after that place IT WILL INSTANT crash
20:48	LemonLake	32768 it is
20:48	LemonLake	because it's a power of two
20:48	ShadowNinja	The map generator stops at 30912.
20:48	LemonLake	It probably crashes because it's trying to load beyond that
20:48	LemonLake	Well there you go
20:48	SoniEx2	meh
20:49	SoniEx2	minecraft worlds are better than minetest worlds
20:49	Piggybear87	Anyone?
20:49	LemonLake	Can you stop comparing Minetest to Minecraft?
20:49	LemonLake	Piggybear87, are you under a proxy/firewall?
20:49	SoniEx2	but minecraft is infinite
20:49	LemonLake	No, it's not.
20:49	LemonLake	There is no such thing as 'infinite'
20:49	LemonLake	At least not in computer terms.
20:49	Piggybear87	No clue.
20:49	SoniEx2	well it's 2^32 = infinite
20:50	Jordach	generalized infinity and true infinity are usually merged for human terma
20:50	ShadowNinja	SoniEx2: No, MineCraft has a bigger horizontal limit, but a much lower vertical limit.
20:50	LemonLake	^
20:50	Jordach	still not cubically generated
20:50	ShadowNinja	SoniEx2: 2^16 is close enough to infinite for anyone.
20:50	LemonLake	My favourite thing about minetest worlds is that it's ~30k on the Y axis, too.
20:50	LemonLake	You can have really deep mineshafts, instead of hitting 'bedrock'
20:50	LemonLake	And you can build the tallest buildings you'll ever need
20:51	ShadowNinja	^
20:51	Jordach	however
20:51	SoniEx2	ShadowNinja, as if there aren't ppl trying to make it vertically "infinite"
20:51	Jordach	AT LEAST i WONT have to dig down 4km to get my special ores
20:51	LemonLake	As well as this, it loads 'quicker'
20:51	LemonLake	it gets loaded in 80x80x80 nodes, or 5x5x5 blocks
20:51	LemonLake	whereas minecraft loads rougly 80x80 Ã¸n xz, but the entire y axis
20:52	LemonLake	okay, mint gives me fancy characters. Ã¸Ã¸Ã¸eÃ¦Ã¸Â¢â†’eÃ¦
20:52	ShadowNinja	Jordach: In MC that isn't even an option, so ores have to be really scarce but shallow.
20:52	Jordach	<- can get MC diamonds within the hour, in minetest? not even within a few hours in minetest
20:52	LemonLake	That's why we have mods
20:52	ShadowNinja	Jordach: In Minetest mining is certainly a lot harder.
20:53	LemonLake	Adds to the challenge
20:53	Jordach	ShadowNinja, that's amplified in BFD
20:53	SoniEx2	the only problem with Minecraft is Java
20:53	LemonLake	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6
20:53	LemonLake	yes.
20:53	LemonLake	100% agree
20:54	SoniEx2	and notch
20:54	LemonLake	nah, Notch is a cool guy.
20:54	SoniEx2	because of the 1000's of lines of bad code
20:54	LemonLake	'spaghetti code'
20:54	Jordach	to be fair it wasn't a sandbox when it started
20:54	Piggybear87	How do I tell if I'm behind a firewall or proxy? I'm used to Windows, not linux.
20:54	LemonLake	I wouldn't judge somebody by their ability to write clean code
20:55	LemonLake	That's just out.
20:55	Jordach	Piggybear87, firewall is like the windows one, except user apps aren't instantly blocked by the zealois firewall
20:55	ShadowNinja	Piggybear87: Um, most distors don't come with a firewall by default. It isn't necessary.
20:56	ShadowNinja	Piggybear87: Your router will still filter things though.
20:56	Piggybear87	So why can't I connect to any servers? The game crashes when I click "public server list".
21:03	Piggybear87	There's nothing in the debug.txt. It just closes.
21:03	LemonLake	^
21:03	LemonLake	Errorless crash, just what I had.
21:04	LemonLake	I'm on Linux now.,
21:04	LemonLake	Compiling the game, then gonna test it again.
21:04	Piggybear87	I'm ON Linux....
21:04	LemonLake	I haven't tested it yet, if you haven't read my previous messages.
21:04	Piggybear87	Ok, I will get that.
21:05	LemonLake	I'm downloading gdb now.
21:06	LemonLake	But I'm 60% compiling minetest. Gonna test before I gdb.
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21:09	LemonLake	95% im so hyped
21:09	Piggybear87	While I'm waiting for this to download, anyone know how to switch Lubuntu's clock to non 24hr?
21:10	LemonLake	Right click it, it's in there if I remember right
21:10	Piggybear87	Yeah. but I don't know how to change it.
21:10	LemonLake	Actually, it's usually a locale thing
21:11	Piggybear87	The clock format is %R Do I change that to something else? and if so, what?
21:13	LemonLake	%a %b %e, %H:%M
21:13	LemonLake	That's on mint
21:13	LemonLake	Go to System -> Administration -> Language Support
21:14	LemonLake	On the Text Tab, choose your prefered language to display numbers, dates, ...
21:14	LemonLake	Just look around in language support
21:14	Piggybear87	That added Day, month, and date, which is cool, but it's still 24hr.
21:14	LemonLake	OH
21:14	LemonLake	You want 12 hr
21:14	Piggybear87	Yeah. Lol.
21:14	LemonLake	%h:%m
21:14	LemonLake	%I:%M %p
21:14	LemonLake	sorry, ^
21:15	Piggybear87	THERE we go. Thanks!
21:15	LemonLake	Np
21:15	LemonLake	Just add on %a %b %e, if you wish for the date etc
21:16	LemonLake	Okay, my minetest is glitched out on Mint
21:16	Piggybear87	Black sky and no inv textures?
21:17	LemonLake	All the window borders go black, my wallpaper has disappeared, and the actual game graphics are always on top
21:18	LemonLake	Any ideas?
21:20	Piggybear87	Is that what's wrong?
21:20	LemonLake	Yes.
21:21	LemonLake	My entire system graphics are glitched out.
21:21	LemonLake	I'm gonna shut down and look in the VM settings, AFK
21:21	SoniEx2	lol VM
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21:23	nman3600	hai
21:23	nman3600	http://pastebin.com/XXJ9mtPu
21:23	Piggybear87	OK, I got the degug thing. How do I use it?
21:23	nman3600	HALP
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21:24	LemonLake	Don't 'lol VM' me
21:24	LemonLake	As I've said before, my actual machine is borked.
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21:25	Piggybear87	LemonLake,
21:25	Piggybear87	OK, I got the degug thing. How do I use it?
21:25	LemonLake	Yo
21:25	nman3600	halp i don't see how this is an error http://pastebin.com/XXJ9mtPu
21:25	LemonLake	I'm actually unsure at this point
21:25	SoniEx2	LemonLake, kill it with fire?
21:25	LemonLake	I'm trying to get Minetest working first
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21:25	LemonLake	It just like murders my graphics
21:25	Piggybear87	john_minetest,
21:25	Piggybear87	OK, I got the degug thing. How do I use it?
21:25	LemonLake	nman, you're missing }
21:26	nman3600	where tho cuz when i put it where it said b4 it didn't work same error
21:30	Piggybear87	I can't even FIND gbd. How do I use it. Lol.
21:31	Piggybear87	It's saying I have to sudo apt-get it. I just now downloaded it through synaptic.
21:32	Piggybear87	It shouldn't what?
21:33	Piggybear87	I know. I Have it, but I can't find it.
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21:33	Piggybear87	Lubuntu.
21:33	Piggybear87	It's open.
21:34	Piggybear87	Some parts. I'm new to Linux.
21:35	Piggybear87	Like cd home... or...?
21:36	Piggybear87	OK. got it.
21:37	Piggybear87	I'm in /.minetest
21:38	Piggybear87	cache client debug.txt minetest.conf mods worlds
21:41	Piggybear87	That's what I just did.
21:41	Piggybear87	Then is it a Minetest fail?
21:41	Piggybear87	Synaptic.
21:44	Jordach	do not paste the output here
21:44	Jordach	use a goddamn pastebin
21:45	Piggybear87	I don't get it. I'm up to "T3882:/usr/bin$
21:45	Piggybear87	"
21:46	asl	just typing `which minetest` should tell you where it is
21:46	Piggybear87	No output, just gave me another line.
21:49	Piggybear87	GAH! I'm too stupid for Linux!
21:49	Jordach	Piggybear87, you'll adjust
21:49	MinetestBot	GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix misplaced selection box in some situations ab75b1b923 2014-05-26T22:47:40+02:00 http://git.io/9xq80g
21:49	Jordach	IT IS VERY different until you get used to that terminal :P
21:49	Piggybear87	I'm stuck!
21:50	Piggybear87	I'm still at /usr/bin$
21:52	Piggybear87	outputs "/usr/games/minetest
21:52	Piggybear87	"
21:52	asl	lol, it put it in games
21:53	VanessaE	hi
21:53	Piggybear87	I just put "cd /usr/games" <enter> and typed "minetest" <enter> and it launcehed the game.
21:54	Piggybear87	Yes
21:55	Piggybear87	The program 'gdb' can be found in the following packages:
21:55	Piggybear87	* gdb
21:55	Piggybear87	* gdb-minimal
21:55	Piggybear87	Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package>
21:55	Piggybear87	But I have it!
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22:02	Piggybear87	That;s too much to paste.
22:02	Piggybear87	That's*
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22:05	LemonLake	I has returned.
22:05	LemonLake	Okay, this is f'd up
22:05	LemonLake	I'm gonna record this
22:05	LemonLake	Brb
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22:07	Piggybear87	I did that and it launched Minetest. I clicked "public sever list" and it froze the whole window. I can't get rid of it...
22:08	Piggybear87	http://pastie.org/9220398
22:09	LemonLake	Got a vid for you, uploading now.
22:11	LemonLake	Uploading
22:12	Piggybear87	This is everything... http://pastie.org/9220414
22:12	LemonLake	Aeueguh processing
22:14	Piggybear87	Ok. Thanks.
22:14	LemonLake	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlM2A7nyS3U
22:14	LemonLake	Please watch
22:15	Piggybear87	When I click the "Public server list" checkbox. It crashes the game.
22:19	LemonLake	Nobody gonna help me?
22:22	Piggybear87	I don't know what would cause that?
22:22	Piggybear87	LemonLake, ^
22:23	LemonLake	well crap
22:24	LemonLake	forum time
22:24	Piggybear87	See, with mine, My Minetest window goes black kinda. I have no inv textures and my sky is black. It's all in my fourum post "Tedypig's general discussion about being new to linux"
22:25	LemonLake	actually i'll try an older version first
22:29	LemonLake	shame
22:35	Jordach	omfg my beard won't stop itching
22:40	Piggybear87	Jordach, Light it on fire..
22:40	Jordach	i shaved it
22:40	Piggybear87	Oh.
22:40	Jordach	and it is an absolute kun--
22:41	Piggybear87	My legs do that. (yes, I shave them...)
22:46	Jordach	protip: good quality soap + cold water
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22:47	Jordach	apply that sucka to the irritated area
22:47	Jordach	or just apply a cold object to it (like a bag of frozen pes)
22:47	Jordach	peas*
22:48	Piggybear87	It's usually the next day... and for about 5-7 days after... Maybe men shouldn't shave their legs... Lol.
22:48	SnowD	dude
22:48	SnowD	wat
22:49	Piggybear87	SnowD, Don't judge, bro...
22:49	SnowD	I judge you for massive off-topic xD
22:49	asl	Piggybear87: can you post the output of `minetest --version` ?
22:49	Jordach	<- irc admin and admin of many popular servers as well as a minetest forum moderator
22:50	Piggybear87	asl, Minetest 0.4.9
22:50	Piggybear87	Using Irrlicht 1.8.1
22:50	Piggybear87	Build info: VER=0.4.9 BUILD_TYPE=Release RUN_IN_PLACE=0 USE_GETTEXT=1 USE_SOUND=1 USE_CURL=1 USE_FREETYPE=1 USE_LUAJIT=1 STATIC_SHAREDIR=/usr/share/games/minetest
22:51	Jordach	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIL4-5AIaSE
22:51	Piggybear87	Jordach, What's that^
22:53	LemonLake	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=142903#p142903
22:53	Hirato	I'm convinced RUN_IN_PLACE=0 doesn't get tested at all by anyone
22:54	asl	i use RUN_IN_PLACE=0
22:55	Piggybear87	I don't self compile...
22:55	LemonLake	I do
22:55	LemonLake	Testing older version now
22:55	asl	the one in fedora repo is also broken
22:56	asl	but when i build myself, it works fine
22:56	Piggybear87	So, It's not just me?
22:56	LemonLake	How can I get the actual commit of my minetest version?
22:56	LemonLake	I want to see what commit my windows one is it
22:56	LemonLake	at*
22:57	asl	nope, it happen to me when i use the one in the repo
22:57	Hirato	the UI is horribly broken for anything to do with run in place 0
22:57	LemonLake	Ahhh....
22:57	LemonLake	ahhh...
22:57	LemonLake	yes....
22:57	LemonLake	how do I run in place 0?
22:58	Hirato	it's the default unless you're freeminer
22:58	LemonLake	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlM2A7nyS3U
22:58	LemonLake	That's my issue
23:00	VanessaE	Hirato: I always use -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0
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23:00	Hirato	I say your issue is virtualbox :M
23:00	LemonLake	Might be
23:01	LemonLake	But in theory it should work
23:01	LemonLake	I'll get Virtual PC and try that.
23:02	Piggybear87	Wait. asl, It also happened when I tried the Windows version using Wine. I just remembered.
23:03	LemonLake	Or not
23:03	LemonLake	Maybe if I only use one monitor
23:04	asl	so it must be when the version bump happen, it's 4.9 isn't it? it's working in the dev version so it must have gotten fix after 4.9
23:04	VanessaE	zero point four point nine.
23:05	asl	oops, missing the leading 0
23:06	LemonLake	Could 3d acceleration be causing it?
23:07	LemonLake	Oh.
23:07	LemonLake	It was 3d acceleration
23:07	LemonLake	rofl
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23:10	Hirato	if run in place does it tested, how come globally installed mods aren't listed in the GUI? :D
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23:18	LemonLake	Hello again
23:20	LemonLake	Ever since I disabled 3D acceleration, the mint is now super slow
23:23	asl	Piggybear87: 0.4.9 is release on Jan 2, the public list was fix on May 17, link to issue, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1297
23:24	asl	so i guess you got to build it yourself to get it working or you could just go to http://servers.minetest.net and copy & paste the ip & port into the game
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23:29	LemonLake_	I'm so pissed off at this
23:29	LemonLake_	Without 3D acceleration, it's super 'laggy' (the entire system), but with it, the entire UI of the system kills itself
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23:30	Exio4	3d accel? disable useless effects
23:30	LemonLake_	I'm sorry, what?
23:33	Piggybear87	Sorry, I was eating. So I need to compile it myself?? CRAP! I hate doing that..
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23:39	LemonLake	So nobody can provide any help to the issue?
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23:55	asl	lemonlake: you could maybe turn off all the eye candy on the entire system? that way it shouldn't be laggy even without the 3D acceleration
23:57	RealBadAngel	asl, that system was in VM
23:57	asl	oh

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