Time Nick Message 00:02 LemonLake local vm, emin, emax = VoxelManip() 00:02 LemonLake That's correct, right? 00:03 ShadowNinja LemonLake: Nope. You have to load a area, it isn't preloaded. 00:03 LemonLake That probably explains it. 00:03 ShadowNinja (So, no emin/emax) 00:04 LemonLake Forceload? 00:04 LemonLake Ah 00:06 LemonLake Had to update_map :P 00:07 LemonLake http://i.imgur.com/D0BqRTJ.png Getting somewhere! 00:15 LemonLake Now nothing generates at all 00:15 LemonLake ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh 00:16 LemonLake It's a size thing; if the chunk is too big it just doesn't do anything 00:18 ShadowNinja LemonLake: By the look of it looking at hungry_games will be helpfull. :-) 00:18 ShadowNinja LemonLake: It uses a dome to keep players in. 00:20 ShadowNinja Note: I haven't looked at hungry_games' code, it may be horrendous. 00:20 LemonLake It's not that bad, actually. 00:21 LemonLake I think I understand how it does it., 00:22 LemonLake All it does is place a glass dome. 00:23 LemonLake In an existing world 00:27 Megaf VanessaE; it would be great if mesecons connected like shingles, I mean, in diagonal instead of steps 00:29 LemonLake Aaaaaaaaargh I'm getting so annoyed at this 00:31 VanessaE they used to, Megaf 00:31 VanessaE it was decided that this looked like crap 00:31 Megaf did they? 00:31 Megaf oh well 00:32 VanessaE raillike draw type. they don't anymore because they can't bend around corners when doing that 00:33 LemonLake Oh. 00:33 LemonLake I fixed it. 00:33 LemonLake Somehow. 00:36 Megaf VanessaE; I disagree 00:36 Megaf its just a matter of changing it a bit 00:36 VanessaE wrong. 00:37 VanessaE the raillike draw type cannot bend around a corner as it descends a staircase 00:37 VanessaE and it cannot join a crossing in mid-descent either 00:37 VanessaE visibly that is 00:37 VanessaE those require changes in the engine (client-side) 00:37 Megaf or maybe there could be the two ways, one way when there is a node under the wire and another mode where the wire is in the air 00:37 VanessaE that's why we stopped using it. 00:38 VanessaE we're not changing it back to raillike, it looks like crap 00:38 Megaf so it would be just a matter of adding a check 00:38 VanessaE it's NOT a matter of "adding a check" 00:38 Megaf could be done at the same time it checks if the wire is connected 00:38 VanessaE it requires a whole new drawtype in the client 00:38 VanessaE it cannot be done G*d damn t 00:38 VanessaE it 00:38 Megaf you dont get me 00:38 VanessaE this is beyond the ability of the mod 00:39 VanessaE IT CANNOT BE DONE IN A MOD. 00:39 VanessaE PERIOD. 00:39 LemonLake shh shh shh calm down everyone 00:39 VanessaE this is why we change it to use nodeboxes. 00:39 Megaf VanessaE; Are you ok? 00:39 VanessaE they're flexible enough to go everywhere. 00:39 LemonLake probably just annoyed at the limitations in the lua api 00:39 * Megaf is not really ok 00:39 VanessaE yes, I'm perfectly fine - I'm trying to stop you from going off on yet another ..ahem.. rail like you always do 00:40 Megaf let me put in other words 00:40 LemonLake {"other words", "other words", "other words"} 00:40 LemonLake need more? 00:41 LemonLake I suppose you can't change the message on the world loading bar, can you? 00:41 VanessaE megaf, the limitations of the raillike drawtype prevent anything you want to do. 00:41 VanessaE there are no other words to use here 00:41 VanessaE it. cannot. be. done. 00:41 VanessaE it. requires. a. new. drawtype. 00:41 LemonLake eww game editing 00:41 VanessaE and since we don't have one, we use nodeboxes. 00:41 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/101771/ 00:42 VanessaE soon, a new drawtype may be added, called "wirelike" but it will look about like mesecons do now. 00:42 VanessaE Megaf: that is not possible either because of limitations in how the raillike draw type works. 00:42 VanessaE been there, done that, still have the headaches from designing the textures for it. 00:43 Megaf ok 00:43 Megaf so really we still can't have wires 00:44 LemonLake ShadowNinja, what's the best way to only generate the world once? 00:45 VanessaE we can have wires but we can't have them the way you want 00:45 VanessaE not without a new drawtype. 00:46 VanessaE and I can guarantee you that a new drawtype will probably NOT be added that does that 00:46 Megaf ok 00:47 LemonLake It would be difficult enough making one in the first place 00:47 VanessaE no 00:47 VanessaE because it generally breaks the blocky/square-ish idea of the engine/game 00:47 VanessaE there's a lot of resistance to that 00:47 VanessaE square-cross-section wires still fit 00:47 LemonLake Either way, does anyone know the best way to only call a function once in a world? 00:48 VanessaE LemonLake: minetest.after() maybe 00:48 VanessaE depends on why you're calling it 00:48 topcyde How to craft a lasso isn't on the wiki nor can I find it on either of the forums. can someone remind me how? I thought it was string in a diamond pattern but that didn't work. 00:48 VanessaE topcyde: a lasso? 00:48 topcyde yeh, i gots to round up my sheeps 00:48 VanessaE for what purpose? sounds like something from mobf? 00:48 VanessaE or simple mobs? 00:48 LemonLake I've just gotten my generator working thanks to ShadowNinja 00:49 topcyde it is but not on th emobf discussion in the forum 00:49 LemonLake Basically, I'm only going to generate the first few blocks of a world, and no more. That works, I'm doing that after 0.6 on mapgen_init 00:49 LemonLake But, this is being called every run. That's not what I need. 00:49 LemonLake I'm also going to save a schematic of the world on the first run, then load it every round restart. 00:50 VanessaE lemme check, topcyde 00:50 LemonLake Some sort of text file that gets created? 00:50 LemonLake Actually, if I just check if there's a schematic. If there is, don't bother generating then just load it. 00:50 VanessaE ah, there it is 00:50 LemonLake Will that work? 00:51 VanessaE white wool, put four in a diamondpattern 00:51 VanessaE - W - 00:51 VanessaE W - W 00:51 VanessaE - W - 00:51 VanessaE (not string but wool blocks) 00:51 topcyde doh! 00:52 topcyde got a link for that page? or were you looking at the source? 00:52 VanessaE topcyde: I checked the sources 00:52 VanessaE https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/blob/90e5a6580ed4b479d545ad6751a9b31d9659c7ab/mobf/init.lua#L116 00:52 topcyde how do you do that? 00:53 VanessaE LemonLake: I guess that'll work 00:53 VanessaE you'll just have to try :) 00:53 LemonLake Okay, thanks 00:53 LemonLake It's time to confuse myself :D 00:53 VanessaE topcyde: virtually all Minetest mods are open source and most have a free/permissible license 00:54 topcyde VanessaE: thanks because next i need to figure out how to build a rope box again. It's been 3-4 months since ive played and I can't remember how to do anything 00:54 VanessaE (in fact I've never seen one that wasn't open source, and only one or two authors who got stupid with their licenses, so think 99.5% FOSS) 00:54 VanessaE rope box..hm 00:54 VanessaE the vines mod one? 00:54 topcyde yes 00:55 VanessaE looks like a wood block and two vines below it, in a column 00:55 VanessaE https://github.com/bas080/vines/blob/master/init.lua#L281 00:55 VanessaE you'll have to craft some shears to cut and collect said vines: 00:55 VanessaE https://github.com/bas080/vines/blob/master/init.lua#L352 00:57 LemonLake VanessaE, seen tldrlegal.com? 00:57 LemonLake If so, what do you think of it? 00:57 topcyde you have to use shears to collect vines 00:57 topcyde I missed that note before 00:58 Vazon VanessaE is there a reason the rotten vines and regular vines look the exact same? 00:59 VanessaE Vazon: dunno, ask bas080 :) 00:59 Vazon lol ok 00:59 VanessaE LemonLake: never seen it 00:59 LemonLake Just going around asking if it's reliable 01:02 VanessaE Vazon: use HDX, there the rotten vines are quite distinct from the "fresh" ones :) 01:03 Vazon VanessaE, i have updated my darkage mod and redid the stairs part of it and added a moreblocks to update it. I dont think the creator of the mod is still around, os i dont know what to do 01:03 Vazon Ok i will look there 01:07 Vazon o btw i fixed the selection box on the ladder and the rongs are 2 each and its even now, i just need the textures 01:11 Megaf !seen asie 01:11 MinetestBot Megaf: asie was last seen at 2014-05-25 20:35:11 UTC on #minetest 01:11 LemonLake My biggest fear while working on this gamemode is having to rewrite the whole thing 01:11 LemonLake The code has gotten quite messy 01:11 Megaf !tell asie Your skin mod crashes the server is either the skin name or player names are invalid on /setskin command 01:11 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when asie is around 01:12 Megaf ~tell asie Your skin mod crashes the server is either the skin name or player names are invalid on /setskin command 01:12 ShadowBot Megaf: O.K. 01:13 LemonLake Woah that's sick 01:16 Megaf VanessaE; Don't you find a little confusing having two "trashes" on unified inventory? 01:17 LemonLake You mean the clear inventory and the one-item trash? 01:17 Megaf yep 01:17 LemonLake Yeah, I agree 01:18 LemonLake Multiple times I've dropped an item on the trash can and watched my entire inventory just go poof 01:18 Megaf I think there should be a button writen Clear Inventory 01:18 LemonLake With confirmation 01:18 Megaf and the trash icon should behave like a trash icon 01:18 Megaf you drag and dtop something to it, 01:19 Megaf I know thats difficult to do or maybe is not even possible 01:19 Megaf so my suggestion is, remove the trash button 01:19 ShadowNinja ShadowNinja, what's the best way to only generate the world once? ---- That's what's done by default? 01:19 Megaf maybe add something like clean inventory, and with confirmation 01:19 LemonLake Shadow, I meant the way I'm doing it. 01:20 LemonLake However, I've figured it out. 01:20 Megaf the button would actually call the confirmation window, and the function to clear the inventory then would be on the confirmation window 01:20 ShadowNinja Alright. :-) 01:20 LemonLake I'm gonna check if a schematic exists, then if it does not, generate the world then make one. If it does, load it. 01:20 Megaf and maybe the trash icon could be inside the "Trash:" area 01:26 Vazon We have 4 different clear_inventorys on my server 01:30 VanessaE ShadowNinja: Megaf makes a good point though... 01:30 VanessaE but then again, that "clear inventory" button is only supposed to be usable in creative mode 01:30 Vazon ya i can see where he is coming form 01:31 VanessaE Vazon: 4? overkill much? ;) 01:31 Vazon we have the trash, the button, /clearinv, and /clearinv name 01:32 Vazon the /clearinv, and /clearinv name are for the admins 01:41 LemonLake Where exactly are schematics saved? 01:41 Megaf !tell asie Hi, How am I supposed to remove a meselamp? 01:41 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when asie is around 01:42 LemonLake Checking now for you megaf 01:43 LemonLake snappy=1, oddly_breakable_by_hand=4 01:43 VanessaE oh that reminds me... 01:43 LemonLake You break it with a sword 01:45 LemonLake Are schematics saved relative to the modpath or something? 02:08 sea Eh, I found a bug 02:08 LemonLake Hm? 02:08 sea I couldn't connect to a minetest server so I stuck some debug information in the source 02:09 sea and then when I ran it, I got this extremely output every single time, whether I'm connecting locally or not: 02:09 sea (wait a sec while I copy it somewhere) 02:09 LemonLake pastebin.com 02:09 sea Yeah that 02:11 sea http://sprunge.us/ELJa 02:11 * VanessaE looks 02:11 sea Okay, so I'll explain 02:11 VanessaE how old is this copy of Minetest? 02:11 sea 'coming from A' just helps me figure out what's going on in the code, you can ignore it 02:11 sea It's the latest version pulled from git 02:12 sea Minetest 0.4.5-847-g9192380-dirty 02:12 LemonLake That's your problem. 02:12 VanessaE that's not current at all 02:12 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/master 02:13 VanessaE I think you pulled from celeron55's old repo :) 02:13 sea Oh it's 7fba... 02:13 VanessaE yup 02:13 sea I'll swap to the other one then 02:13 VanessaE 0.4.5 is... shit, that's gotta be close to a year old now :) 02:14 sea Ah, well I'll change it and see if the bug still pops up 02:14 sea It's a weird case. 02:14 VanessaE ok, good luck 02:14 VanessaE Minetest's development moves pretty fast 02:14 VanessaE anything over ~1 month is usually considered a bit old, ~2 months is often considered outdated 02:14 VanessaE but regular releases are usually somewhat older; the current official release is 0.4.9 02:15 VanessaE 0.4.10 is expected soon-ish but I'm not sure exactly when 02:15 sea Hm, there's a commit in this repo here: "Bump version to 0.4.9" 02:15 sea What's that about? 02:16 VanessaE just changing the version flags in the game, they do that when they decide it's good enough for a releas 02:16 VanessaE release* 02:17 VanessaE commit, commit, commit.... (goes on for a while).. commit... ok this looks like a good point to mark it... commit "Bump version to x.x.x" ... (prepare zip files and announce a release) ... 02:17 VanessaE repeat. 02:17 sea Interesting 02:18 sea Anyway, the point is that once the average round trip time for packets goes over 2.9, something slips up and the game loops indefinitely 02:18 sea That's in the old version 02:18 VanessaE naw, that's not a problem anymore 02:18 sea What was the cause? 02:18 VanessaE as far as I know; we've seen much larger RTT's. usually when it gets too big, players will time out instead 02:18 VanessaE no idea, that was too long ago for me to remember 02:19 VanessaE Megaf's server has seen RTT's up to 8 or 9 seconds without much real problem aside from the obvious lag that'll go with it 02:19 VanessaE (but he runs it on a very low-end embedded system; the high RTT's were due to some settings conflicts relative to his hardware) 02:20 Vazon VanessaE: is there anyway to have my server page cleaned up?? like have the post from before May of this year removed? 02:20 VanessaE link? 02:20 Vazon ya 02:20 Vazon VanessaE: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7681 02:21 VanessaE oh, no way 02:21 VanessaE ain't gonna delete peoples' posts just because they're old 02:21 Vazon :| ok 02:22 Vazon well some of it is just talk and random stuff that has no meaning thats is why i asked 02:22 VanessaE what you could do is, maybe, start a new topic, change the first post of this one to only read "This server topic has moved, please go here --> [URL here]" and have one of us close this topic instead 02:22 Vazon ok 02:22 VanessaE and copy all your existing first-post stuff to the new topic 02:22 VanessaE but wait 02:23 VanessaE ShadowNinja: opinions? 02:25 Vazon ? 02:27 Vazon i mad a new one Vanessa 02:27 Vazon made* 02:42 * ShadowNinja looks 02:44 ShadowNinja Vazon: Why not continue using the old one? 02:45 Vazon because its cluttered 02:46 LemonLake FINALLY 02:46 ShadowNinja Vazon: That's not sufficient reason to completely restart it. Move or delete posts that shouldn't be there. 02:46 LemonLake i just got schematic saving to work 02:47 LemonLake but loading it causes crash, yay 02:47 Vazon what do you mean move or delete post? 02:48 LemonLake Hell yeah it loads stuff now 02:49 LemonLake now I don't have to wait like 2 mintues each time lol 02:49 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I dunno, is it really within the usual guidelines of a moderator's duties to do that? especially with 16 pages of posts to comb through? 02:49 VanessaE seems like that would really screw up conversational flow 02:50 Vazon VanessaE there is not conversational flow thats hte point -.- 02:50 LemonLake ShadowNinja, it was success :D 02:56 VanessaE ShadowNinja: Do/can we support extensions such as http://keplerproject.github.io/luafilesystem/ ? 02:58 LemonLake Okay, so I just spent 4 hours doing the simplest thing but it was worth it. I'm tired as hell, though. See ya! 02:59 topcyde where do I check the timing in minetest for how long it is day/night. these nights are rediculously long. 02:59 VanessaE topcyde: time_speed 03:00 VanessaE (a value of 72 I think is the default and leads to a day length of about 20 minutes) 03:00 VanessaE not sure of the actual name, um... 03:00 topcyde anyway to make the nights shorter and the days longer? 03:01 VanessaE not as far as I know, no. 03:01 VanessaE yo can fake it though 03:02 topcyde I'm usually runnign around in caves and so don't notice, but I've been doing som eworld exploring and not it's just annoying. 03:02 VanessaE you* 03:02 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1390 03:02 topcyde s/not/now 03:03 VanessaE you could perhaps periodically check the time of day and advance it by say 5% if it's night time 03:03 VanessaE and set your time speed in minetest.conf to a lower value (==longer cycle) to compensate 03:05 topcyde how would I check it? by using the terminal in game? 03:07 VanessaE set an ABM that looks for, say, default:dirt_with_grass, interval 5, chance 3200. inside that ABM, do a minetest.get_timeofday() call, if it's less than say 0.2 or greater than say 0.8 or something, then multiply it by 1.05 or so and set_timeofday with the result 03:08 VanessaE there are a couple of other ways to do periodic code such as minetest.register_globalstep(func(dtime)) 03:08 VanessaE that one is probably better but it requires you to manage the actual timing of the checks yourself (it always executes every 1/10th of a second) 03:10 VanessaE (an ABM like I described would only work if you're on the surface and there is grass nearby; you could expand the search list to include sand, water, and stone, but that would slow things down somewhat 03:10 VanessaE ) 03:10 RealBadAngel well no 03:10 RealBadAngel dtime is time that passed since last execution 03:10 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1251 03:10 VanessaE "Called every server step, usually interval of 0.1s" 03:10 sea Multiply by 1.05? 03:10 RealBadAngel it can be 0.2 as well, if the server is laggy 03:11 RealBadAngel or even way more 03:11 VanessaE sea: yeah, that increases the value by 5%, and time is stored as a float. 0 is midnight, 0.5 is 12 noon. 03:11 VanessaE so simply multiplying or dividing is a quick way to scale the time, as long as you also properly wrap it around past 1.0 of course 03:11 VanessaE (idk what would happen if you pass a value > 1.0 to that call) 03:12 VanessaE RealBadAngel: true. 03:12 sea You'd get really weird time scaling 03:12 VanessaE so an ABM is the only choice if he wants to make sure the time scale operates in a more or less even manner 03:12 sea If the time is very small, then it increases by a tiny amount, and if the time is large, it increases by a large amount 03:13 VanessaE sea: well you could just add a constant if you want 03:13 sea Yeah, that makes it faster. Your multiplying makes it accelerate and then decelerate suddenly 03:13 VanessaE didn't even think about the linear scale. derp :) 03:13 topcyde whats an ABM? 03:14 RealBadAngel Active Block Modifier 03:14 VanessaE its purpose, NORMALLY, is to change one kind of node into another 03:14 topcyde have a ;ink to explain how to do that? 03:14 VanessaE you trigger on, say, grass, and turn it into dirt or something 03:14 VanessaE topcyde: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2198 03:15 VanessaE minetest.register_abm( ^^^ that definition above ^^^ ) 03:16 VanessaE topcyde: there has been talk in the recent past about adding a way to scale the day and night proportions properly though 03:17 VanessaE WAIT 03:17 VanessaE there IS 03:17 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1878 03:17 VanessaE you don' thave to fake it 03:17 VanessaE but you do need to make a small mod to change it 03:18 VanessaE no idea what the ratio value corresponds to though - I would assume the default is 0.5 and refers to how much of the day is daylight 03:18 VanessaE so maybe you want a larger value here 03:18 VanessaE so a single, one-time call to this function with say 0.75 might be all you need 03:18 topcyde is there source for that function call? 03:18 topcyde that would help to figure otu how it works 03:19 VanessaE there is but it's kinda scattered: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/search?q=override_day_night_ratio&ref=cmdform 03:20 topcyde I don't know ojective-C is // still a comment? 03:21 VanessaE this is C++ 03:21 VanessaE and yeah 03:23 topcyde oh!the first one was noted as Objective and didn't realize each search return was labeled differently. 03:23 topcyde C++ I'm familiar with 03:25 topcyde according to the clint.h read that as though it need 2 variables.. the 1 to turn it on and then the other to set the ratio. 03:26 topcyde but then I don't understand what it's doing with it in game.cpp 03:27 VanessaE a lot of minetest's code can be confusing, which is why I stick to Lua. 03:27 VanessaE I still get confused, but at least I'm confused by a language I mostly understand :D 03:27 Vazon Night everyone 03:31 VanessaE night 03:34 topcyde it's part of a big for statement, but I'm not certain of the handling after it, guess it's time to break out the tome of strutroup 03:34 topcyde strustroup 03:35 topcyde however it's spelled 03:42 VanessaE or just write a little one-line Lua mod that uses that call :P 03:42 VanessaE see what it does with different values 03:43 topcyde never wrote a mod 03:45 VanessaE they're easy to make. 03:46 VanessaE write some code in an editor, save it as "init.lua", put that in a directory named for your mod, copy the directory to Minetest's "mods/" directory, then go into your client and enable it in your world's "Configuration" menu 03:46 VanessaE then play that world and see if it works 03:46 VanessaE mods are server-side only, so what you make will only work for you in single-player mode, not for a server you play on unless you get that server's operator to install it there (in which case, your local copy will not be used) 03:48 topcyde I play single player anyway 03:48 topcyde crappy internet connection 03:48 VanessaE oh ok 03:49 VanessaE you should try my servers some time. 03:49 VanessaE they work pretty decent on crappy connections once all the media is in 03:49 topcyde I think i did last year a coupe times but glitched the hell out too many times it annoyed me. 03:50 topcyde all my side not your server 03:51 topcyde if dial up is the telegraph of internet connections then I've only progressed to pulse dialed rotary phones 03:51 VanessaE oh no, I have multiple servers now 03:51 topcyde and the lying bastards call it DSL 03:52 VanessaE try the "Vanilla" one (30005) 03:52 VanessaE it's light-weight 03:52 VanessaE also, ouch :) 03:52 topcyde I've marked it to give it a whirl later. 03:53 topcyde OH I also used you as an example to my daughter. I told her one of the most prolific mod writers for minetest was a girl. Her idiot mother has her convinced that computers are boys things 03:54 VanessaE what does mom think now? :) 03:54 topcyde her moms still an idiot, but my daughter at least has a clue 03:55 VanessaE oh good 03:55 topcyde her mom != my wife 03:55 VanessaE I assumed 04:01 topcyde any header or footer I need to put in that lua file? 04:03 VanessaE nope 04:03 VanessaE you just need the raw code. 04:04 VanessaE a single minetest.override_day_night_ratio(0.75) or something similar should do it 04:04 VanessaE you could even tuck that into any random file in minetest_game/mods/default or so if you wanted 04:05 VanessaE (as long as some other mod isn't already doing that call, in which case change it there) 04:06 topcyde good point have to do a search through the mod directory 04:07 topcyde the api specifically says controlling sunlight so I interpret that as the larger the ratio the more the day light 04:11 VanessaE yeah 04:11 VanessaE that's what I assumed too 04:19 topcyde says ERROR: ModError: Failed to load and run 04:21 topcyde anyway to verbose when its loading? 04:26 topcyde brain tired i'll try again in the am 04:30 VanessaE what's the rest of the error? 04:30 VanessaE (check your debug.txt) 06:04 reactor Цдуоъачояхпе 06:07 ShadowNinja VanessaE: We don't. But it should work, just add "local lfs = require('lfs')" to your mod and have people `pacman -S lua51-filesystem`. 06:09 ShadowNinja I went through my old jail mod. It was quite ugly, but very feature-full and I managed to clean it up. 06:12 VanessaE RealBadAngel: ^^^^^^ 06:12 VanessaE reason I ask is being able to mkdir and chdir in particular 06:13 ShadowNinja chdir? 06:13 VanessaE well cd isn't really needed 06:13 VanessaE but mkdir is 06:15 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Note that that makes it considerably harder for Windows users. You should provide a .dll for them. 06:15 VanessaE that's why I asked :-/ 06:16 VanessaE maybe some sort of helper function in the engine is in order? RBA was needing some way to better-organize UI's files 07:36 LazyJ Does Minetest read inside of the "modpack.txt" file? 07:37 LazyJ According to the 2014_05_24 "lua_api.txt", the "modpack.txt" file is supposed to be empty or have # to comment out the lines. 07:38 LazyJ I've seen "modpack.txt" files that were empty and some that had text in them. 07:38 LazyJ Those that contained text didn't have the # and it didn't seem to bother Minetest. 07:39 ShadowNinja LazyJ: Minetest does nothing but a stat() to see if it exists. 07:39 LazyJ Is this # something that will be necessary in the future or is it just a forgotten artifact from when the modpack.txt was implemented? 07:40 ShadowNinja In fact it probably could be removed, and the rule changed to "doesn't have a init.lua". 07:40 ShadowNinja LazyJ: If modpack.txt is ever used for anything # should denote comments. 07:41 LazyJ Ok. I've been adding notes to myself in the modpack.txt file. 07:42 LazyJ So, I'll add # to the lines just to be on the safe side. Thanks ;) 07:45 LazyJ Two curiosities. 1. Is #minetest-mods better suited for these kinds of questions? 2. Is the "80 columns" rule more of a tradition or is there still a good and functional reason to follow it? 07:45 nman3600 Hello everypony 07:45 LazyJ If so, what why? 07:45 LazyJ *If so, why? 07:47 reactor LazyJ: text width more than 80 chars is beyond one's fild of view. 07:47 reactor field, even. 07:47 sfan5 meow 07:47 sfan5 hi everyone 07:48 * sfan5 meows again :3 07:48 reactor No matter how big your screen is, you want 80 columns. 07:48 ShadowNinja LazyJ: It's still good, but we adhere to it loosely. You can view two files side-by-side with a 80 char width. 07:48 * nman3600 strokes sfan5 07:48 reactor That, too, ShadowNinja. 07:48 ShadowNinja LazyJ: There are ways to reduce tab usage too. 07:49 * sfan5 purss 07:49 reactor Although, if a file does not have line breaks, you can resize the window you're reading it in. 07:49 nman3600 ShadowNinja thanks again for helping me with the raillike thing 07:49 LazyJ The trouble I have with the 80 rule is when it comes to nesting. 07:49 ShadowNinja nman3600: NP. :-) 07:50 * nman3600 hands sfan5 a bowl of milk 07:50 * sfan5 noms the bowl 07:50 nman3600 yu spilt the milk everywhere 07:51 * nman3600 tells sfan5 to lick the milk up from the floor 07:51 ShadowNinja LazyJ: See http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7519545/ 07:51 * sfan5 noms nman3600 07:52 ShadowNinja LazyJ: You can also use small local functions. 07:52 nman3600 cute kitten i don't feek a fing 07:52 LazyJ Then on the flip-side of the coin, the 80 rule keeps things in the "field of view", like reactor said, when I increase the font size big enough that I can see it. ;)- 07:52 nman3600 *feel 07:52 reactor It's so much more comfortable to have many terminals side by side than one above the other. 07:52 reactor You can read more lines of the output. 07:54 * nman3600 hands sfan5 a ><(((º> 07:55 * sfan5 noms it 07:58 * nman3600 hands sfan5 a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ (polar bear) 07:58 * sfan5 does nothing 07:59 * nman3600 hands sfan5 a guy flipping a table (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ 07:59 * sfan5 does nothing 08:03 * nman3600 hands sfan5 a kitten (= ●_● =) 08:03 * sfan5 does nothing 08:03 nman3600 but it's a kiitten!!!!!! 08:13 sea OMG A KITTEN 08:14 reactor ╯_╯ 08:15 reactor ˁ_ˀ 08:15 reactor º_Ё 08:16 reactor Why would sfan5 need a kitten? He's experimenting on quantum physics? 08:16 * sfan5 is trying to get a H.264 encoder that uses VAAPI to work with ffmpeg 08:17 sfan5 and gedit just crashed :( 08:19 reactor gedit. 09:09 nman3600 hi 09:15 nman3600 hello everypony 09:16 sea Ooh, a brony! 09:20 VanessaE hi 09:25 nman3600 sea: I AM A BRONY PROUD TO ADMIN 09:25 nman3600 *ADMIT 09:31 nman3600 sea a refference to this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMjnVeDPEYo 09:31 nman3600 ohai VannessaE i didn't see that you said hi 09:39 nman3600 mesecon signals should signal steel doors 09:39 nman3600 oh wait they do 09:41 nman3600 buttons and levers don't do it properly :( 09:51 whiskers75 sfan5: meow 09:51 VanessaE meow. 09:52 * whiskers75 meows at ^EOF 09:52 * whiskers75 meows at ^EOF 09:52 * ^EOF meows back 09:52 VanessaE mesecons should not open steel doors imho 09:52 * ^EOF meows back 09:52 whiskers75 VanessaE: yeh 09:52 VanessaE because then just anyone could unlock your doors on a multiplayer server. 09:52 reactor VanessaE: otherwise they will break your wals. 09:52 reactor s/als/alls/ 09:52 whiskers75 pls2channel supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.strings "" 09:52 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 09:53 whiskers75 there, now it won't bug anyone 09:53 reactor Better let them unlock the doo with mesecons, imho. 09:53 reactor s/oo/oor/ 09:53 whiskers75 or just get a protection plugin :P 09:53 reactor yep 09:54 reactor Are you sure it's "^EOF" and not "^D"? 09:55 nman3600 my computer hates me 09:55 reactor Great timing! 09:56 whiskers75 reactor: ^D was taken, I think 09:57 whiskers75 ^EOF: nick ^D 09:57 whiskers75 Error: Someone else is already using that nick. 09:57 nman3600 withing half an hour of my computer being started up it starts to get really warm and it starts to crash 09:57 whiskers75 broken fans? 09:59 nman3600 nope 09:59 nman3600 i'm just going to shut it down and let it cool down like i do every flipping hour 09:59 reactor TThermal paste gone bad? 09:59 reactor Damn I'm slow. 10:13 * sfan5 meows at whiskers75 10:15 * whiskers75 meows at sfan5 10:15 * whiskers75 meows at ^EOF 10:15 * ^EOF meows back 10:16 * sfan5 throws http://i.imgur.com/gO13SW6.jpg at whiskers75 10:16 whiskers75 pls2mp add "\1ACTION meows at (\w+)\1" "action meows at $1 too" 10:16 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "\1ACTION meows at (\w+)\1" "action meows at $1 too" 10:16 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 10:16 * whiskers75 meows at sfan5 10:16 * ^EOF meows at sfan5 too 10:16 * sfan5 meows at whiskers75 10:16 * ^EOF meows at whiskers75 too 10:16 * sfan5 meows at ^EOF 10:16 * ^EOF meows back 10:17 * whiskers75 throws https://cdn.mediacru.sh/YTjkr2TxQXMy.png at sfan5 10:17 sfan5 yay! 10:17 sfan5 you actually used mediacru.sh 10:17 sfan5 \o/ 10:17 * sfan5 purrs 10:17 whiskers75 I use it for all images on blog.whiskers75.co.uk now. 10:17 * whiskers75 purrs and headbutts sfan5 10:18 * sfan5 curls up to whiskers75's lap 10:18 * whiskers75 is a kitten, tho 10:19 whiskers75 ^EOF, help ceq 10:19 ^EOF whiskers75: (ceq ) -- Does a string comparison on and . Returns true if they are equal. 10:19 whiskers75 ^EOF, cif [ceq [rand 1 2 3] 1] 10:19 ^EOF whiskers75: (cif ) -- Runs if evaluates to true, runs if it evaluates to false. Use other logical operators defined in this plugin and command nesting to your advantage here. 10:19 whiskers75 ^EOF, cif [ceq [rand 1 2 3] 1] "echo meow" "echo purr" 10:19 ^EOF purr 10:19 whiskers75 ^EOF, cif [ceq [rand 1 2 3] 1] "echo meow" "echo purr" 10:19 ^EOF purr 10:19 whiskers75 ^EOF, cif [ceq [rand 1 2 3] 1] "echo meow" "echo purr" 10:19 ^EOF purr 10:19 whiskers75 pls 10:19 whiskers75 ^EOF, cif [ceq [rand 1 2 3] 1] "echo meow" "echo purr" 10:20 whiskers75 meh 10:20 ^EOF purr 10:20 whiskers75 I'll test it in private 10:20 whiskers75 sfan5: shadowbot is kicking innocent kittens! 10:20 sfan5 whiskers75: whiskers75.report({to: ShadowNinja}); 10:21 reactor ^EOF, зыфвЩЗФЫВЬЩТ фцщш ЩФВГШАИФ фЫЩВШПАФЩИВ ЩШАОТТ гдПББФПСИРЕ! 10:21 reactor ^EOF, cif зыфвЩЗФЫВЬЩТ фцщш ЩФВГШАИФ фЫЩВШПАФЩИВ ЩШАОТТ гдПББФПСИРЕ! 10:21 reactor ^EOF, cif 0 зыфвЩЗФЫВЬЩТ фцщш ЩФВГШАИФ фЫЩВШПАФЩИВ ЩШАОТТ гдПББФПСИРЕ! 10:22 ^EOF reactor: (cif ) -- Runs if evaluates to true, runs if it evaluates to false. Use other logical operators defined in this plugin and command nesting to your advantage here. 10:22 reactor ^EOF, "echo зыфвЩЗФЫВЬЩТ фцщш ЩФВГШАИФ фЫЩВШПАФЩИВ ЩШАОТТ гдПББФПСИРЕ!" 10:22 whiskers75 reactor: pls 10:23 reactor It doesn't work for me :(. 10:23 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "\x01ACTION purrs\x01" "cif [ceq [dice 1d3] 1] \"action strokes $nick\" \"utilities ignore\"" 10:23 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 10:23 * whiskers75 purrs 10:23 * ^EOF strokes $nick 10:23 * whiskers75 purrs 10:23 * ^EOF strokes $nick 10:23 whiskers75 pls 10:23 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp list 10:23 * ^EOF meows at (w+) 10:23 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp del --id 3 10:23 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp remove --id 3 10:24 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 10:24 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "\x01ACTION purrs\x01" "cif [ceq [dice 1d3] 1] action strokes [echo $nick] utilities ignore" 10:24 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 10:24 * whiskers75 purrs 10:24 ^EOF (cif ) -- Runs if evaluates to true, runs if it evaluates to false. Use other logical operators defined in this plugin and command nesting to your advantage here. 10:24 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp remove --id 3 10:24 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 10:24 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "\x01ACTION purrs\x01" "cif [ceq [dice 1d3] 1] \"action strokes [echo $nick]\" \"utilities ignore\"" 10:24 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 10:24 * whiskers75 purrs 10:25 * whiskers75 purrs 10:25 * whiskers75 purrs 10:25 whiskers75 WHAT 10:25 whiskers75 NEVER SEEN A KITTEN BEFORE? 10:25 whiskers75 THEY DO THAT 10:25 * whiskers75 purrs 10:25 whiskers75 >:c 10:25 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp remove --id 3 10:25 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 10:25 sfan5 lolwat 10:25 sfan5 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700758 10:26 sfan5 >implying bcrypt is unsafe 10:26 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "" "cif [ceq [dice 1d50] 1] action meows ignore" 10:26 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "." "cif [ceq [dice 1d50] 1] action meows ignore" 10:26 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 10:26 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp remove --id 3 10:27 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 10:27 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "cat" "cif [ceq [dice 1d3] 1] action meows ignore" 10:27 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 10:27 whiskers75 did you know that cats are so fluffy? 10:27 whiskers75 sfan5: do you own a cat? 10:27 ^EOF whiskers75: (cif ) -- Runs if evaluates to true, runs if it evaluates to false. Use other logical operators defined in this plugin and command nesting to your advantage here. 10:27 whiskers75 ಠ_ಠ10:27 sfan5 whiskers75: no, do you wan to gift me one? 10:27 ^EOF whiskers75: (cif ) -- Runs if evaluates to true, runs if it evaluates to false. Use other logical operators defined in this plugin and command nesting to your advantage here. 10:27 sfan5 want* 10:27 reactor ^EOF, ъДТБЧУФЧХКФЕ! 10:27 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp remove --id 3 10:27 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 10:28 reactor ^EOF, mp add "ъДТБЧУФЧХКФЕ!" "ignore" 10:28 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "cat" "cif [ceq [dice 1d3] 1] \"action meows\" \"utilities ignore\"" 10:28 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 10:28 * sfan5 meows at ^EOF 10:28 * ^EOF meows back 10:28 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "ъДТБЧУФЧХКФЕ" "action slaps [echo $nick]" 10:28 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 10:28 whiskers75 ъДТБЧУФЧХКФЕ 10:28 * ^EOF slaps whiskers75 10:28 sfan5 ъДТБЧУФЧХКФЕ 10:28 * ^EOF slaps sfan5 10:28 reactor ъДТБЧУФЧХКФЕ! 10:28 * sfan5 slaps ^EOF 10:28 * ^EOF slaps reactor 10:28 whiskers75 PLS 10:28 sfan5 * ShadowBot hat ^EOF aus #minetest gekickt (Slap flood detected.) 10:28 sfan5 ahahahha 10:28 reactor ПВНЕД. 10:30 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp remove --id 4 10:30 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 10:30 whiskers75 ^EOF, mp add "Д" "action looks at [echo $nick] strangely." 10:30 ^EOF whiskers75: Meow! 10:30 whiskers75 Д 10:30 * ^EOF looks at whiskers75 strangely. 10:30 reactor ДИ ДРРГЕ 10:30 * ^EOF looks at reactor strangely. 10:30 * ^EOF looks at reactor strangely. 10:31 reactor ДДДДДДДДДД 10:31 * ^EOF looks at reactor strangely. 10:31 * ^EOF looks at reactor strangely. 10:31 whiskers75 pls 10:31 reactor ДДДДДДДДДДДД! 10:31 whiskers75 PLS 10:31 reactor Oh. :( 10:31 whiskers75 Now it won't get unbanned, because Jordach will probably kill me for ever bringing it in anyway 10:32 * sfan5 meows at whiskers75 10:32 * whiskers75 hisses and walks off. 10:32 * reactor МЕОВС АТ ВХИСКЕРС75 10:33 * whiskers75 meows back 10:33 * sfan5 flips reactor 10:34 * reactor looks at reactor strangely. 10:34 whiskers75 ಠ_ಠ10:34 whiskers75 sfan5: pls2unbanning? 10:34 sfan5 nah 10:34 whiskers75 :( 10:34 reactor ЩАИТ ДЙ ДРРГЕ, АИУФНЕ? 10:36 whiskers75 reactor: 'SHTAIT DI DRRGE, AIUFNE' 10:36 reactor ИО 10:36 SnowD :o 10:36 reactor "ЕЯЯОЯ" 10:37 whiskers75 reactor: pls 10:37 SnowD Ö 10:37 reactor ТНАТЪ5 Я16НТ. 10:37 reactor whiskers75: ? 10:37 whiskers75 PLS ДА НЕ 10:38 reactor УЕС! 10:38 whiskers75 https://translate.google.com/#auto/bg/PLS%20TO%20NOT 10:38 reactor ИО! 10:38 reactor Oh. 10:38 reactor I see. 10:38 SnowD ¯\(°_o)/¯ 10:38 reactor Google Translate fails, though. 10:38 nman3600 hi i fixed my computer i think 10:39 SnowD are you posting from your computer? 10:39 SnowD if yes, then it's fixed. 10:39 nman3600 me? yes 10:39 reactor Try to translate this: "подoпытных иcпытали галлюцинaций". 10:39 reactor nman3600: what was it? 10:39 whiskers75 podopytnyh icpytali gallyutsinatsy 10:39 nman3600 my fan was clogged up with dust 10:39 nman3600 i spent an hour cleaning it out and letting it cool down 10:40 reactor Dust is a bitch. 10:40 nman3600 it's been on for half and hour and it's still cold 10:40 nman3600 IKR!! 10:40 whiskers75 yay pies http://blog.whiskers75.co.uk/pps-and-load-averages-with-a-piglow/ 10:40 reactor фщщщщщщщщщщщщщщщщщщщщ! 10:41 whiskers75 fshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtshtsht 10:41 reactor yeah, google translate sucks. 10:41 reactor it looks good. 10:42 reactor It's a puzzle to mewhy they had to arrange lamps in such pattern. 10:42 whiskers75 OH NO 10:42 reactor It'd look better if they were straight lines. 10:42 whiskers75 IT'S JORDACH 10:42 * whiskers75 runs 10:42 reactor Jordach: гДПЮБЯРБСИРЕ! 10:42 whiskers75 Jordach: I totally haven't been messing around with ^EOF and causing it to get banned because ShadowBot 10:43 nman3600 ohai Jordach 10:43 sfan5 o/ Jordach 10:43 Jordach told you it was a fucking bad idea 10:43 Jordach i didn't even have to *DO* it 10:43 * sfan5 meows at Jordach 10:43 whiskers75 I made a thing that reacted to reactor's strange lettering 10:43 whiskers75 and then he spammed it :P 10:43 sfan5 >strange lettering 10:44 SnowD How's Minetest doing, btw? 10:44 sfan5 It's called Cyrillic script 10:44 sfan5 SnowD: good 10:44 SnowD Good to hear that! 10:44 * nman3600 hands sfan5 a CD of cat sounds with a bowl of milk 10:44 * whiskers75 jumps and meows at nman3600 10:44 SnowD I wish more people would use it 10:44 reactor Yeah that's right. I always get blamed for "strange lettering". 10:44 * sfan5 noms the CD and spits out a .flac file 10:44 * whiskers75 eats the .flac file 10:44 * nman3600 hands whiskers75 a bowl of milk 10:44 * sfan5 tap whiskers75 10:44 * whiskers75 starts meowing strangely 10:45 * whiskers75 laps the milk in between meows. 10:45 * sfan5 presses whiskers75 "eject" button 10:45 * whiskers75 vomits 10:45 * reactor puts whiskers75 in a box. 10:45 * whiskers75 stops meowing strangely 10:45 * sfan5 cleans the .flac file and throws it at Jordach 10:45 * whiskers75 starts "playing with" reactor's box 10:45 reactor In? 10:46 * nman3600 throws a toy towards sfan5 and whiskers75 10:46 * Jordach doesn't have a problem with reactor's language 10:46 * whiskers75 is inside the box, slowly destroying it 10:46 * sfan5 meows at Jordach 10:46 * whiskers75 hisses at the approaching Jordach 10:46 * sfan5 plays with the toy 10:46 SnowD uuh 10:46 SnowD wat 10:46 * whiskers75 is more interested in the box 10:46 reactor Jordach: in Яцssia, my language doesn't have a problem with you. 10:46 Jordach <- extremely happy with diversism 10:46 whiskers75 same 10:47 reactor Did anyone say "dive"? 10:47 * whiskers75 jumps out of the destroyed box and walks into the kitty litter box marked 'AFK' 10:47 * sfan5 opens a black hole in the kitty litter box 10:47 * whiskers75 dies 10:48 * whiskers75 is revived 10:48 * sfan5 closes the black hole and points the black hole gun at nman3600 10:48 nman3600 GO ON THEN 10:48 reactor Run! He's a zombie kitten! 10:48 * whiskers75 walks into the titanium-plated box marked 'AFK' 10:48 * whiskers75 closes the lid 10:48 reactor He who waitc behind the ЩАГГ! 10:48 * whiskers75 goes AFK 10:48 * sfan5 presses the trigger 10:48 sfan5 the black hole sucks in nman3600 10:48 nman3600 WOOOO A BLACK HOLE 10:48 * sfan5 hisses at the black hole 10:48 sfan5 black hole closes 10:48 * sfan5 meows :3 10:49 reactor УЕАН Д ВГДСК НФГЕ! 10:49 * whiskers75 , momentarily un-AFKing, meows and a forcefield appears around the AFK box 10:49 * whiskers75 goes back into AFKland 10:49 * reactor stands next to the force field and inverts the coordinates. 10:50 reactor Mine. 10:50 * sfan5 imports antigravity ( http://xkcd.com/353/ ) 10:50 reactor Oh. I should have thought y'all would be in it, too. 10:51 * reactor tries to process sfan5 with regex. 10:51 * nman3600 opens the black hole and comes out with a sombrero, pink mustache and a collection of cat toys 10:51 reactor xombrero* it is 10:52 * sfan5 fires the mese laser gun at nman3600 10:52 * sfan5 puts reactor into XML tags 10:52 reactor Beware, it's gonna segfault, nman3600 10:52 nman3600 OH NOOO 10:52 reactor ИФФФФФФФФФФФ! 10:52 reactor XMГ is the caИc3Яiiiiiiii 10:53 * sfan5 points the mese laser gun at nman3600s head 10:53 * sfan5 presses the trigger 10:53 * nman3600 traps sfan5 in a cage made of titanium and sends all the cats with her to space 10:53 * sfan5 purrs :3 10:53 * sfan5 slaps the titanium-cage 10:53 sfan5 cage is destroyed 10:53 * nman3600 fires a kitty canon to space 10:53 * sfan5 bites nman3600 10:53 * sfan5 gives nman3600 a bomb 10:54 reactor "here, hold this!" 10:54 * nman3600 fires it into the blackhole in the litter boc 10:54 nman3600 *box 10:54 * sfan5 bits nman3600 again 10:54 sfan5 bites* 10:55 * nman3600 cut's sfan5's fur 10:55 * sfan5 slaps nman3600 10:55 * reactor puts sfan5 in a box, and puts the box in a box, and puts the box in a box, and putx the box in a box, and pBUS ERROR. 10:55 * sfan5 throws a bus at reactor 10:56 * nman3600 throws a syntax error at sfan5 10:56 * sfan5 noms the error 10:56 sfan5 !up sfan5.duckdns.org 30005 10:56 MinetestBot sfan5.duckdns.org:30005 is up (386ms) 10:56 sfan5 hm 10:56 * reactor buys a ticket and rides the bus to the stack. 10:57 sfan5 why won't the server list accept it? 10:57 reactor Misconfigured anИounce? 10:57 sfan5 dunno 10:57 sfan5 should be fine 10:58 * nman3600 burps out a fisherman holding a bag of kittens eating fish at sfan5 10:58 nman3600 OH GOD 10:58 * sfan5 does nothing 10:59 * reactor sfan5 looks strangely at 10:59 * sfan5 reactor :3 meows 11:00 nman3600 !seen the fisherman holding a bag of kittens eating fish 11:00 MinetestBot nman3600: Sorry, I haven't seen the around. 11:01 reactor Sфviet Meфщ? 11:01 nman3600 !seen LemonLake 11:01 MinetestBot nman3600: lemonlake was last seen at 2014-05-26 02:58:14 UTC on #minetest 11:02 reactor СаИсеЯ кilling the Й is sfan5 guaranteed to a bag of kittens eating fish 11:03 reactor мeжду прoчим, в Австрaлии ошNбoк? 11:04 * sfan5 does nothing 11:06 * nman3600 is bored 11:47 LemonLake Yo 11:47 CraigyDavi hi 11:52 LemonLake Okay, I've just found a strange issue. 11:52 LemonLake Whenever I break a node, I only get one of it then never again. What I mean is, if I don't have it, I get it. Otherwise I don't. 11:54 nman3600 hi 11:54 LemonLake It might be the item_drops mod, actually 11:54 nman3600 i just found the weirdest condition ever it's called Hypertrichosis 11:54 nman3600 it makes your whole face hair 11:54 LemonLake No, your whole body just grows a loooot of hair. 11:54 LemonLake Werewolf syndrome. 11:54 nman3600 yep 11:54 LemonLake Super puberty. 11:55 nman3600 LOL 11:55 LemonLake What? 11:55 nman3600 it's kinda funny 11:55 LemonLake Not really. 11:55 LemonLake I see that sneaky BT join 11:56 LemonLake Nevermind my issue, I just removed the creative mode check from item_drops and it works. 11:57 nman3600 i spent ages last night making 16 nodes 11:58 LemonLake Yeah, you were up to eleven. 11:58 nman3600 yep 11:58 nman3600 because at first it failed so i had to get a bit of help and i done it in the end 11:59 LemonLake Well I got world restoring to work 11:59 LemonLake now I'm just working on making the world generator take less than 20 seconds because people don't read instructions so might think that the mod's not working 11:59 nman3600 well i've got the interior of a house to build but i'll do it latere 11:59 nman3600 *later 12:01 LemonLake Well I'm gonna eat, I just woke up half an hour ago. 12:02 nman3600 yeah u did i've had lunch already 12:03 nman3600 would you count bricks as stones 12:03 LemonLake Nein, why? 12:04 nman3600 i'm on a server i just made bricks and i want to put them in one of my chests and all my chests are neatly organized and i've got no where for bricks and it'll be a waste of time to make a chest just for 1 material 12:04 LemonLake No it wouldn't 12:04 LemonLake You'll be hoarding bricks before you know it 12:05 nman3600 i'll put it somewhere maybe sell it 12:06 nman3600 i just made a chest for it 12:06 nman3600 lol 12:14 nman3600 hello Gambit 12:18 reactor Certificate verification failed for /C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert SHA2 Extended Validation Server CA 12:18 reactor I have no idea what I'v just read. 12:19 LemonLake Is digicert your ISP? 12:19 LemonLake Wiat, nevermind that 12:19 LemonLake that's a dumb question 12:19 LemonLake Just looks like your certificate failed, that's all 12:22 nman3600 woah LemonLake never realised u returned 12:22 LemonLake I'm stealthy. 12:25 LemonLake Hey kaeza 12:25 kaeza mornings 12:45 nman3600 Hey kaeze 12:45 nman3600 kaeza* 12:49 LemonLake Hey niall, we might have to do some testing in a minute if you're interested 12:50 LemonLake I'm adding godmode and about to add teams 12:51 nman3600 k LemonLake 13:01 fireglow do you guys know of a home mod, i.e. /sethome and /home or something? 13:01 fireglow ah, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=741 13:03 nman3600 fireglow minetest next has it 13:04 nman3600 wait xyz is no longer banned? 13:04 fireglow that mod works just fine 13:04 nman3600 dude sfan5 is unbanned :D 13:05 nman3600 :O* 13:05 LemonLake he was banned? 13:05 nman3600 yes from the forum 13:05 nman3600 not sfan5 13:05 nman3600 i mean xyz 13:05 LemonLake why would a moderator be banned 13:06 nman3600 no i mean cyz 13:06 nman3600 xyz* 13:06 LemonLake why would an admin be baned??? 13:06 nman3600 do you not remember? 13:06 LemonLake :o xyz plays on buildcraft 13:06 LemonLake no i dont 13:06 LemonLake im dumb tell me 13:07 nman3600 xyz was banned from the forum when you started playing minetet 13:07 nman3600 *minetest 13:07 LemonLake no why would i remember something like that 13:07 nman3600 well xyz is no unbanned 13:07 fireglow well, why WAS he banned, then 13:07 LemonLake ^ 13:07 nman3600 idk 13:09 fireglow ah well 13:09 LemonLake He was never banned 13:09 LemonLake He just set his title to banned 13:10 fireglow heuhue 13:10 reactor !up mike402.no-ip.biz 50000 13:10 MinetestBot mike402.no-ip.biz:50000 seems to be down 13:10 fireglow !up firc.de 30000 13:10 MinetestBot firc.de:30000 is up (136ms) 13:10 fireglow damn straight 13:11 reactor !up mike402.no-ip.biz 50000 13:11 MinetestBot mike402.no-ip.biz:50000 seems to be down 13:12 LemonLake http://imgur.com/vMknqpe 13:12 LemonLake damn straight 13:12 LemonLake making progress 13:12 nman3600 lol 13:12 sfan5 meow 13:12 * nman3600 strokes sfan5 13:12 LemonLake I should probably update minetest, actually 13:12 sfan5 nman3600: xyz was never banned 13:12 LemonLake ^ 13:12 LemonLake Like I said, he just set his title to banned 13:13 nman3600 i thought he was because most posts said he was but they seem to have been deleted 13:13 LemonLake Don't believe what you read on the internet. 13:13 LemonLake sfan5 - what is the benefit of upgrading from 9e8bbea to 60e6368? 13:14 reactor !up mike402.no-ip.biz 50000 13:14 MinetestBot mike402.no-ip.biz:50000 is up (175ms) 13:14 reactor Finally. 13:14 sfan5 do i look like i know changed between two commit ids by heart? 13:14 sfan5 <3 MinetestBot 13:14 MinetestBot <3 sfan5 13:14 sfan5 LemonLake: just update.. 13:14 LemonLake Okay, I'm struggling to use the new github layout >;( 13:14 nman3600 <3 lua 13:14 LemonLake delete cache, then press configure, it should ask you what to generate 13:58 LemonLake there's a lot of makefile generators in there 13:58 Krock ok, I'll try 13:58 LemonLake which specific? 13:59 Krock CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly. 13:59 Krock wtf 13:59 Krock over cmd it works 13:59 Krock nvm 13:59 LemonLake Did you even configure it? 13:59 nman3600 Krock: i placed it infront of your home then took it back to show u http://imgur.com/XXf21QZ 14:06 LemonLake jk 14:06 LemonLake hm 14:06 LemonLake weird 14:07 nman3600 what is? 14:14 sfan5 o/ jordan4ibanez 14:14 jordan4ibanez \o sfan5 14:15 nman3600 hey jordanibanez 14:16 Krock wut? lua library not found? be4 it was found 14:16 reactor Hmm. So many guests, again. 14:17 reactor Apple client allowing Guest nicks? 14:21 Megaf can anyone give me a hand with Lua? I don't know Lua yet I'm trying to do crazy things 14:21 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/101873/ 14:21 sfan5 Megaf: just ask 14:22 Megaf sfan5: I asked, vua pastebin :) 14:22 Megaf s/vua/via 14:23 sfan5 Megaf: 14:24 LemonLake Is coloured text in the chat possible? 14:24 Megaf by the way, more info on lua multithreading here https://cmr.github.io/lanes/ 14:24 sfan5 local lanes = require "lanes".configure() 14:24 sfan5 f = lanes.gen(function() for i=100000,1,-1 do print(i) end end) 14:24 sfan5 f() 14:24 sfan5 f() 14:24 sfan5 done 14:24 LemonLake omg i need that so much 14:25 sfan5 LemonLake: no 14:25 LemonLake damn 14:25 LemonLake is there any sort of magical workaround? 14:25 LemonLake like drawing text to the hud, with different colours 14:26 sfan5 uh no 14:26 LemonLake Crap, is there at least a way to draw text to the hud? 14:26 LemonLake The same way you'd draw statusbars 14:26 Megaf sfan5: did not work 14:27 sfan5 Megaf: what did not work? 14:27 LemonLake ah, found the text hudtype 14:27 Megaf sfan5: the thing you just wrote here 14:28 sfan5 Megaf: what does it say? "does not work" is not very descriptive 14:28 Megaf It does not say anything 14:28 Megaf $ ./test.lua 14:28 Megaf $ 14:28 Krock LU HW%Z)(/ç&"(&%)( cmake erasesall my changes 14:28 Megaf and does not do anything either 14:28 LemonLake So I'm about to create a page regarding hud creation etc, what would be an ideal name for it? 14:28 LemonLake This is on the dev wiki 14:29 nman3600 can someone help me with a texture i have the texture i made but i need the red on it a bit darker 14:29 nman3600 anyone offering to help 14:29 LemonLake I'll help. 14:29 LemonLake Skype me the texture 14:29 nman3600 k 14:29 sfan5 tip: use mediacru.sh 14:29 Megaf I may buy a book about Lua 14:29 LemonLake nman3600; just drag/drop the file into the chat box in skype 14:29 sfan5 Megaf: maybe lua lanes does not support print in threads 14:31 jordan4ibanez Hello nman3600 14:31 * sfan5 meows at jordan4ibanez 14:36 LemonLake Can I force respawn a player (kill them then respawn them without them having to press respawn)? 14:37 Krock player:setpos() 14:38 reactor Why aren't players automatically respawned after some delay? 14:39 LemonLake Krock, does that actually respawn them? 14:39 Krock it teleports them 14:39 LemonLake umm 14:44 nman3600 my elbows bleeding D: 14:47 Krock lol... over those 2 days, my CPU generated 4x 500 MB data and deleted it, to do the current loop 14:47 Krock well done. 14:50 LemonLake Okay, added the hud definitions to http://dev.minetest.net/Player#Methods 14:50 LemonLake Now I have to actually make the HUD page...god damnit why 15:07 CraigyDavi Hi everyone 15:08 nman3600 Hi CraigyDavi 15:09 reactor Why does MT server say "character conversion failed"?! 15:09 reactor Why ever need to try to convert UTF-8 into something else?! 15:10 LemonLake - number: An integer containing the RGB value of the color used to draw the text. Specify 0xFFFFFF for white text, 0xFF0000 for red, and so on. 15:11 LemonLake sfan5: Hud text CAN accept colors. 15:11 LemonLake If I use multiple texts, I could get away with it. I only need red, white and blue. 15:21 LemonLake http://dev.minetest.net/HUD Just finished :D 15:21 LemonLake Hmm, notes seem to bugger up the text 15:23 rubenwardy Don't you love these types of people: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=142847#p142847 15:23 LemonLake They're the best kind of people! 15:23 rubenwardy Programmers do magic things with computers, so they must be able to magically read minds 15:23 Calinou hi 15:23 LemonLake They give so much information, offer lots of help and in some cases even do it for you! 15:24 Krock rubenwardy, I <3 those people *cough* 15:24 * LemonLake chokes 15:24 nman3600 LemonLake are we gonna test it then 15:24 LemonLake Still working on it, clam down, 15:24 LemonLake I got sidetracked. 15:24 nman3600 lol clam 15:24 LemonLake Yes. Clam. 15:25 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&p=142860#p142860 15:25 Krock first thought: lol 15:25 Krock 2nd: wtf? 15:26 nman3600 mine was the same i just looked at that a min ago 15:26 Calinou ClamAV! 15:26 Calinou http://dev.minetest.net/HUD → ??? Some text is outside the area 15:26 LemonLake Yep, notes seem to bug out the page. 15:26 LemonLake It doesn't do it in preview mode 15:27 Krock Calinou, "hud_set_hotbar_i.." and following are bigger than normal 15:28 LemonLake Guys, I'm aware. 15:28 LemonLake I even said it twice. 15:28 Krock why not 5 times? 15:28 LemonLake I've been trying to fix {{Template:Note}} for the past 16 hours. 15:28 Krock please say again 15:29 Calinou I'm fixing it up 15:29 Krock oh. at least one who used more time on something which would have easy alternatives 15:29 LemonLake Calinou 15:29 LemonLake Don't 15:29 LemonLake I'm halfway through a major edit 15:29 Calinou <_< 15:29 Calinou I was at least going to fix styling 15:29 LemonLake That's what I'm fixing. 15:29 LemonLake I'm doing it to the entire wiki. 15:29 Calinou so I'll let you do what you're doing right now 15:29 Calinou maybe it's because you're using notes in a list 15:29 LemonLake That's the issue. 15:30 Calinou then don't do it 15:30 Calinou use italics, bold, colour 15:30 LemonLake That's what I figured out. 15:30 LemonLake They're fixed now. 15:30 Krock woo! same status as 1 hour ago. such things make me happy 15:30 LemonLake Dafuq 15:30 LemonLake Why is Template:Know yellow 15:31 LemonLake Oh I see 15:31 LemonLake Lol, okay. 15:31 Calinou http://dev.minetest.net/File:exclamation.png → not flat design :( 15:31 Calinou LemonLake, red is harder to read and looks scary 15:31 LemonLake Yeah 15:31 rubenwardy I suggest you make " 0x00FF00" slightly darker. 15:31 Calinou you can make a separate one with red background, but keep that to risks of data loss (eg. database migration) 15:31 Krock BLOOOD 15:31 LemonLake Rest of the edits are up to you guys now :P 15:32 LemonLake If you make 0x00FF00 slightly darker, be sure to change what it says too 15:32 Krock 0x1E1 15:32 LemonLake That's a dark gray 15:32 Krock that's green 15:32 Krock wait 15:32 LemonLake Oh yep, you're right 15:32 Krock * #1E1 15:32 Calinou that's green indeed 15:33 Krock now it's green 15:33 LemonLake Sorry, I read it wrong 15:33 Calinou short codes look more confusing to me than full ones, except when I'm used to it 15:33 LemonLake Yeah. 15:33 LemonLake I only use short codes in things like #999 15:33 Calinou what is #1E1? #10E010 or #1FEF1F? 15:33 Krock wut? RGB is easier to read than RRGGBB 15:33 LemonLake #11ee11 15:33 Calinou I've taught myself to read hex colours 15:33 LemonLake ^ 15:33 Calinou very useful skill :P 15:34 Krock Calinou, it repeats the number before as Lemon said 15:34 LemonLake After years of web design I've never gotten used to triplet hex colors 15:34 Calinou OK 15:34 Calinou you generally don't need accuracy of full RGB though 15:34 LemonLake We do need some nicer templates for the wiki though 15:34 Krock a _always_ use #RGB, 3 numbers 15:34 Krock s/a/I 15:34 Calinou don't overuse templates 15:34 LemonLake Of course not 15:34 Calinou they put load on the server, which results in slower loading 15:34 Calinou a Note template is fine though 15:35 LemonLake Yeah, there are a lot of tl;dr people who skip the notes 15:35 LemonLake If there's a template they stand out 15:35 Vazon Hello Everyone 15:35 LemonLake Yo yo yo 15:35 Calinou hi Vazon 15:35 LemonLake Okay nman3600; teams are being added now. No more sidetrack. 15:35 Vazon Hi LemonLake and Calinou :3 15:36 PenguinDad Hello Vazon and everypony! 15:36 LemonLake Hey hey hey 15:36 Vazon Hi Penguin and..... who ever you talking to 15:37 nman3600 hi 15:37 LemonLake (stay outta my shed) 15:37 * nman3600 slowly creeps into LemonLake's shed 15:37 * LemonLake chainsaws nman3600's head off 15:37 * nman3600 makes a black hole to another dimension and sends LemonLake there 15:37 LemonLake ó.ó 15:38 LemonLake that's not correct 15:38 nman3600 6.6 15:38 LemonLake nah 15:38 LemonLake ó.ó all the way 15:38 nman3600 i can't do that face 15:38 LemonLake yes you can 15:38 LemonLake hold down alt + o 15:39 nman3600 nope 15:39 Jordach alt gr + o might do it 15:39 LemonLake Yep 15:39 LemonLake alt gr 15:39 nman3600 it's alt gr you idiot 15:39 LemonLake but on his laptop it's usually alt that works 15:39 Krock ctrl alt del 15:39 LemonLake niall 15:39 LemonLake press alt + f4 then enter immediately after 15:39 Krock doesn't work 15:40 nman3600 no 15:40 nman3600 no 15:40 nman3600 no 15:40 LemonLake see 15:40 LemonLake it worked 15:40 LemonLake mauhahaha 15:40 Krock can't reproduce 15:40 nman3600 lol i was kicked 15:40 LemonLake it worked ya wanka 15:40 LemonLake you was indeed 15:40 nman3600 ó.ó 15:40 LemonLake ¬12 test 15:40 LemonLake ¦12 test 15:40 LemonLake crude 15:41 * Krock gets error after 20min, sets a bit from 1 to 0 and waits again 20min 15:41 nman3600 áéíóú 15:41 Krock 5R5|_Y? 15:41 PenguinDad æ€→ø↓ 15:41 LemonLake gonna get a new client 15:41 LemonLake webchat sucks scrotum 15:41 Krock nettalk for the win 15:42 LemonLake TAKE CONTROL 15:42 Krock Ð 15:42 LemonLake what the actual heck is that song niall 15:42 nman3600 FEEL THE ACTION 15:42 LemonLake meh 15:42 nman3600 dude it's K-391 15:42 LemonLake can we skip this one 15:42 nman3600 fine 15:43 nman3600 :(((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))) 15:43 * LemonLake whistles then realises he cant whistle, this is uncanny 15:47 Krock HAHA http://imgur.com/gallery/nlWK0vy 15:49 Krock Also a good one http://imgur.com/gallery/nlWK0vy 15:50 LemonLake So that just happened. 15:50 [1]LemonLake aaaaargh 15:55 LemonLake Okay, I'm here. Hi. 15:56 LemonLake nman3600, can you say my username please? 15:56 Calinou OrangeLake 15:56 * Calinou runs 15:56 * LemonLake finds the closest large object and gives calinou a slap with it 15:56 * rubenwardy puts a kitten on LemonLake's head 15:57 nman3600 LemonLake i am going to drop out of the wait list after this song 15:57 LemonLake And again? 15:57 nman3600 Lemonlake 15:57 nman3600 LemonLake 15:57 LemonLake Okay, works. 15:58 PenguinDad EHLO LemonLake 15:59 LemonLake nman3600: we are the robots 15:59 LemonLake This time for real; no sidetracking! 16:00 LemonLake How would I get the highest node at a certain coordinate? 16:01 Krock life is hard 16:01 Krock http://imgur.com/gallery/3KCZq9X 16:02 Calinou https://github.com/kaeza/minetest/commit/5f6cb872604daad7dc205f3fac6787cc2ffe2322 16:02 Calinou this is great BTW 16:07 rubenwardy Yay for A* Pathfinding! https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxmzo8cniu3jh0q/pathfinder.png 16:08 ligeti ... 16:09 Krock rubenwardy, very nice. 16:09 rubenwardy Awesome debug log graphics XD 16:13 PenguinDad !up ghostdoge.duckdns.org 16:13 MinetestBot ghostdoge.duckdns.org:30000 is up (224ms) 16:14 ligeti is it public? 16:14 PenguinDad ligeti: not at the moment 16:14 ligeti OK 16:14 LemonLake How would I get the highest node at a certain coordinate? 16:15 ligeti Because I am looking for a good server to play but no luck! 16:15 LemonLake 12 Nobody? Aww... 16:15 LemonLake I'm stumped now. 16:17 rubenwardy LemonLake: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9286 16:17 LemonLake I'll just write the spawns to a txt 16:17 LemonLake Oh neat. 16:17 LemonLake Thanks 16:19 LemonLake Oh, that's really simple actually. 16:20 LemonLake However the voxelmanip isn't even used 16:20 LemonLake Yes it is. I'm dumb. 16:20 LemonLake Omg no it isnt 16:22 nman3600 Krock your server is so laggy today 16:24 Krock fixed. 16:25 LemonLake omfg rofl 16:25 LemonLake http://i.imgur.com/VFjGlgP.png 16:26 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9280&p=142866#p142866 → lol @ re-soldering 16:26 Calinou Americans, always ready to solder things 16:27 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9345 → I have yet to see an oerkki in real life 16:28 LemonLake nman3600 16:28 LemonLake here comes hard drop 16:28 Calinou Google Chrome can speak for “malware” 16:28 LemonLake Okay, what the actual fu*k 16:29 LemonLake Calinou, all of your messages are just messed up for me 16:29 Calinou use UTF-8 encoding 16:29 LemonLake Yeah, that's a problem with hydrairc 16:29 LemonLake the only options are in a huge flipping list with no search function 16:31 LemonLake nman3600, no woot? 16:35 LemonLake File "minetestmapper2.py", line 92 16:35 LemonLake print "w="+str(w)+" h="+str(h) 16:36 LemonLake syntax error at the second " 16:44 LemonLake I'm really annoyed because it takes ages for the schematic to be placed, so whenever there's a silly error and I fix it, i have to wait 20s for the world to load D: 16:53 LemonLake Oh neat, in the new version dropped items are 3D 16:56 Krock (me already had it before it got added to builtin) 16:58 LemonLake sound just died 17:01 LemonLake nman3600; I think it's done. 17:01 * sfan5 meows at LemonLake 17:01 LemonLake What was that about? 17:01 sfan5 LemonLake: you can use any RGB color 17:01 * nman3600 strokes sfan5 17:01 * sfan5 meows at nman3600 17:01 nman3600 LemonLake i'm ready 17:01 LemonLake You're quite behind sfan? 17:01 sfan5 yes 17:01 * nman3600 hands sfan5 a bowl of milk 17:01 sfan5 I was not there 17:01 * sfan5 noms the bowl 17:02 LemonLake I don't even know what you're responding to. 17:02 nman3600 your color text thing i think 17:02 sfan5 21<LemonLake>21 sfan5: Hud text CAN accept colors. 17:02 sfan5 18<LemonLake> If I use multiple texts, I could get away with it. I only need red, white and blue. 17:02 LemonLake Well nman, I thought I had it until I renamed it then everything broke. 17:02 LemonLake I know sfan. 17:03 LemonLake My question is, can you use colors WITHIN text? 17:03 LemonLake for multi-color text? 17:03 sfan5 no 17:03 LemonLake Damn. 17:03 LemonLake I may need expert help in a minute. 17:05 LemonLake You've got to be fu*king kidding me 17:05 LemonLake Once again, the errorless crashes. 17:06 sfan5 did you look in debug.txt? 17:06 LemonLake Of course. 17:06 sfan5 paste the part where there should be an error 17:07 LemonLake Hold on, 17:08 LemonLake Nothing even gets saved to it. 17:08 LemonLake Nothing at all 17:09 sfan5 it should output something to the console at least 17:09 LemonLake http://pastebin.com/LtJEsET3 17:10 LemonLake I can tell you now that it has nothing to do with the texture. 17:10 LemonLake Though I know when it's caused. 17:10 LemonLake On a unique player's first join, they can get in. 17:10 LemonLake On their second join and every other after that, errorless crash. 17:11 sfan5 hm 17:13 PenguinDad !up ghostdoge.duckdns.org 17:13 MinetestBot ghostdoge.duckdns.org:30000 is up (233ms) 17:13 LemonLake Would you like the source code? 17:14 Calinou hi 17:14 PenguinDad ^^ could someone please connect there 17:14 Calinou LemonLake, yes I would! 17:14 * Calinou runs 17:27 raffahacks Hi 17:29 raffahacks Was asking, why does mt crash with segmentation fault on start on armv7 allwinner a20? 17:30 raffahacks Can anyone help? 17:30 LemonLake Don't be surprised if you get blanked 17:31 raffahacks Why? 17:31 LemonLake You get around 30 minutes where people will actually help then everyone dies for like 3 hours 17:32 Calinou then ask on the forum, raffahacks 17:32 Calinou give more information: OS? version (Git hash if applicable)? 17:32 LemonLake sfan5, would you like the sauce? 17:33 raffahacks Os fedora 19 17:36 nman3600 i'm trying to make a window that is 3D like a window but i'm failing an struggling help pls 17:37 LemonLake 3d like a window? 17:38 LemonLake nman3600; 3d like a window? 17:38 LemonLake dafuq 17:39 nman3600_ i've tried a nodebox editor to do it but failed 17:39 LemonLake 3d like a window? 17:39 nman3600_ yes 17:39 LemonLake yes, like i said, the nodebox editor is unreliable 17:39 LemonLake did you even try googling 17:39 nman3600_ nyep 17:39 LemonLake if you googled you would know how to make a nodebox 17:39 LemonLake if you googled you would know how to make a nodebox 17:40 nman3600_ i followed the video but it didn't work 17:40 LemonLake if you googled you would know how to make a nodebox 17:40 LemonLake ffs niall 17:41 nman3600_ dafuq there's an account that was mine called nman3600 and it won't leave 17:41 LemonLake yeah 17:41 LemonLake you timed out three times 17:41 nman3600_ ik 17:41 LemonLake https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2117 17:41 LemonLake already a mod for it 17:42 LemonLake don't reinvent the wheel 17:42 nman3600_ no not like that 17:42 nman3600_ not window panes 17:42 LemonLake oh 17:42 nman3600_ proper windows 17:42 LemonLake they thing you want is extremely annoying to make 17:42 nman3600_ someone kick nman3600 17:42 LemonLake it requires like loads of facedir checks and stuff, multiple models and possibly even it's own drawtype 17:42 LemonLake niall, they're non-exsistant 17:42 Jordach nman3600_, that won't work 17:42 nman3600_ ik 17:42 nman3600_ ;( 17:42 LemonLake you're the only one 17:42 Jordach nman3600_, you mean http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/home 17:42 LemonLake rofl what?? 17:43 nman3600_ that's a fucking computer 17:43 LemonLake no its not 17:43 LemonLake and watch you're language, you're ten 17:43 nman3600_ :P 17:43 LemonLake windows is an operating system 17:43 LemonLake get it right 17:43 nman3600_ ik it is 17:43 Calinou nice, the fact I use SSH keys asks the password in a GUI 17:43 Calinou (for Git pushing) 17:44 LemonLake gweeeeeeese 17:44 Calinou first post-migration commit to Gitorious :) 17:44 LemonLake no buddy gonna help me 17:45 Calinou what do you need? 17:45 Calinou the height check thing? 17:45 LemonLake nein 17:45 LemonLake [18:10] On a unique player's first join, they can get in. 17:45 LemonLake [18:10] On their second join and every other after that, errorless crash. 17:46 Calinou did you put the source code somewhere? 17:47 LemonLake only on a private bitbucket repo 17:47 Calinou ask on the forum, if you don't get an answer here 17:47 LemonLake i would rather not put the source code up publically until it's release 17:47 Calinou private :'( 17:47 Calinou why not? 17:47 LemonLake but I can give you it 17:47 LemonLake over query 17:47 LemonLake give me a moment 17:47 Calinou you'd benefit much more from it 17:47 Calinou people would be actually able to help :P 17:47 LemonLake well okay 17:47 Calinou I don't think I can help you by myself 17:47 LemonLake but let me change account 17:47 Calinou I'm not a very experimented Lua programmer 17:47 LemonLake to be honest i hate forums 17:47 LemonLake and the forums 17:48 LemonLake okay, re-committing 17:52 nman3600 hi 17:52 Calinou hi nman3600 17:52 Calinou nman3600, what kind of windows were you asking for? 17:52 nman3600 Calinout a window node 17:52 LemonLake He wanted fancy models with like windowsills and stuff 17:52 nman3600 Calinou* 17:52 Calinou if you just want framed glass, it's easy to make 17:52 Calinou there's a drawtype for it 17:53 LemonLake He wanted fancy models with like windowsills and stuff 17:53 nman3600 i tried doing it with nodebox editor but fail 17:53 LemonLake Calinou, we've already established it's not possible 17:53 LemonLake Well it is but it's insanely complicated and he'd never understand 17:54 nman3600 i'm only ten :o 17:54 LemonLake Calinou: https://bitbucket.org/LemonLake/ace-of-picks/overview 17:56 LemonLake The main code is in the default mod 17:56 LemonLake Mostly in ace.lua 17:58 Calinou i'm only ten :o 17:58 Calinou age doesn't mean much 17:58 LemonLake ^ 17:59 Calinou to design nodeboxes well, you need to be good at maths, and visualizing stuff “in your head”, if you're not using the editor 17:59 LemonLake And, let's beat it, the editor isn't very reliable 17:59 LemonLake I'm thinking of making a new one. 17:59 nman3600 i used to be good at maths 17:59 LemonLake Opinions everyone? 17:59 rubenwardy It is quite buggy ATM 17:59 nman3600 LemonLake DO ITTT 17:59 LemonLake There's no such thing as 'used to be good' 17:59 nman3600 i'm failing at most maths now 18:00 LemonLake Because you don't bother. 18:00 Calinou I've never managed to run the editor 18:00 LemonLake Aiight, the git is synced 18:00 Calinou LemonLake, how is it not reliable? 18:00 LemonLake It's just very, very buggy. 18:00 LemonLake The concept and design are fabulous 18:00 LemonLake The bugs just need to be killed and it's top notch. 18:00 Calinou yeah, it does feel “patchy”, even judging by the looks 18:01 Calinou it's the GTKRadiant of Minetest :D 18:01 LemonLake haha 18:01 nman3600 how is this supposed to help me make the window 18:01 LemonLake Rubenwardy, have you worked on NBE in a while? 18:01 rubenwardy LemonLake: there is a version in development that has a lot of bugs fixed, but I can't release it yet as ShadNinja is working on it 18:01 LemonLake Ah, okay 18:01 rubenwardy Report bugs here: https://github.com/rubenwardy/NodeBoxEditor/issues?state=open 18:01 LemonLake nman3600, look at that rain 18:01 LemonLake so thin but so heavy 18:01 Calinou be sure to put licensing information about your game 18:02 rubenwardy I would also be interesting in seening videos of people using the editor, so I can improve it 18:02 LemonLake Yeah, I'm halfway through that. 18:02 Calinou look at how Carbone does it ;) 18:02 LemonLake Right now I just want to get it working. 18:02 rubenwardy *seeing 18:02 Calinou (separate file to not clog up the main README) 18:02 LemonLake I've got one I want to report 18:02 LemonLake I'll do that now 18:02 nman3600 i give uo 18:02 nman3600 up* 18:02 Calinou you only have 4 mods in your game? 18:03 Calinou no bucket, fire and such? 18:03 Calinou or are you halfway committing stuff? 18:03 LemonLake Yep. 18:03 LemonLake It's practically minimal. 18:03 LemonLake Most of it will be custom 18:03 Calinou :( that makes a game feel incomplete 18:03 LemonLake Trust me, it's more beyond the building 18:03 LemonLake It's mostly fighting 18:03 Calinou Ace of Spades-like game? then it's fine 18:03 Calinou good idea, actually 18:03 LemonLake Yeah. 18:03 LemonLake It's ace of spades for minetest. 18:04 LemonLake Not the valve one, the original BuildnShoot one 18:04 Calinou I've played OpenSpades (compatible client) for 5 minutes, lol 18:04 LemonLake A few minetesty touches to it along with a few extra features 18:04 Calinou couldn't alt-tab, couldn't limit FPS or set vsync… 18:04 LemonLake Yeah, the original game has fallen behind since Valve acquired it. 18:05 LemonLake I think they reverse-developed it. 18:05 Calinou LemonLake, you may want to look at Carbone's throwing mod: it has golden arrows (more damage than normal ones), teleport arrows (similar to ender pearls)… 18:05 Calinou Valve acquired it? :o 18:05 Calinou OpenSpades is a compatible client, so it can be called a bit reverse engineering 18:05 Calinou it's a good thing we have it 18:05 LemonLake http://aceofspades.com/ 18:05 Calinou it looks good, too 18:05 LemonLake That's valve's one now. 18:05 LemonLake Not the biggest fan of it, but I really enjoy the block falling feature. 18:06 LemonLake rubenwardy, I gave a quick issue. 18:06 Calinou block falling? 18:06 LemonLake If blocks are not attached to anything, (i.e floating), they fall. 18:06 LemonLake Like if you knock out the pillars of a huge structure, it will fall and crumble 18:07 Calinou also, what is this: https://bitbucket.org/LemonLake/ace-of-picks/src/578abd74e5f62ef7b312da82686508ffb65ce3f9/mods/default/falling.lua?at=master 18:07 LemonLake That's what the trees use. 18:07 LemonLake And many other blocks will too 18:07 Calinou default game doesn't have it 18:07 Calinou that's why I was asking :P 18:07 LemonLake If you knock out a tree, the rest falls like normal falling nodes 18:07 LemonLake Except when they land, they drop an item instead of settling like a normal block 18:07 Calinou OK 18:09 nman3600 how to make a hole in node box 18:09 LemonLake You don't 18:09 Calinou you'll need to use several nodeboxes 18:09 LemonLake You make several around it 18:10 Calinou usually 2 to 4 18:10 nman3600 ohk 18:10 Calinou nodeboxes are actually pretty logical 18:10 LemonLake Each nodebox is just another cube 18:10 LemonLake As long as you can work out the values, you're good to go 18:11 rubenwardy LemonLake: replied 18:13 ShadowNinja whiskers75: NO. MORE. BOTS. 18:14 LemonLake ó.ó 18:14 LemonLake Hey Shadow, could you have a look at something for me? 18:15 Jordach I FRIGGIN CALLED IT 18:15 ShadowNinja LemonLake: Sure, what is it? 18:15 LemonLake Basically, when a new player (unique username) joins, they can join and play perfectly fine. 18:15 LemonLake As soon as they join for a second time, however, the game crashes with no error. 18:15 LemonLake https://bitbucket.org/LemonLake/ace-of-picks/ 18:16 ShadowNinja LemonLake: Latest Git? 18:16 LemonLake Yep. 18:16 LemonLake Latest. 18:17 ShadowNinja LemonLake: Hmmm, that shouldn't happen. Are you on Linux or BSD? 18:18 LemonLake Neither, Windows 18:18 LemonLake It's a problem in my code. 18:18 LemonLake I get errorless crashes if there's a problem in lua. 18:18 Krock how do I cut off the end of a string if it's too long? 18:18 LemonLake Usually when it's a thing like a method that's not being called properly. 18:18 Krock (lua) 18:18 LemonLake Trim or substring 18:19 Krock ok thx 18:19 LemonLake substring only* 18:19 rubenwardy The thing with NBE, is that I can not fix bugs if I do not know about them (LemonLake, Calinou). Thank you for reporting that bug, though, LemonLake. 18:20 LemonLake np 18:20 nman3600 it didn;t work 18:20 nman3600 wait 18:20 LemonLake Niall 18:20 nman3600 yes 18:20 LemonLake You're gonna be making at least four different models. 18:20 LemonLake If not more 18:21 LemonLake Don't bother! 18:21 rubenwardy There are two thing that irrate me: I can't work out how to fix Calinou's problem, and I don't know why the top right viewport is so messed up. 18:21 Jordach lel 18:22 nman3600 :( i really wanted to make the window 18:22 ShadowNinja Aaaaand minetestserver went to 70% mem and locked up my computer. 18:22 Jordach <- reasons why i prefer blender for nodeboxing 18:22 LemonLake You can use blender for nodeboxes???/ 18:22 LemonLake :D 18:22 Jordach i once did it 18:22 Jordach takes a while to do it 18:22 ShadowNinja I'm still waiting on lzma to compress a map backup. 18:22 Jordach but i might make a basic tutoral with sound and shiz 18:23 nman3600 i don't have blender!!!!!!!!!! 18:23 LemonLake Niall 18:23 LemonLake Calm the hell down 18:23 LemonLake I said don't bother for now 18:24 LemonLake Shadow, are you testing it? 18:24 ShadowNinja LemonLake: That shouldn't happen, I added error handlers to everything that calls Lua and it should print a traceback. 18:24 ShadowNinja LemonLake: Nope, busy with other things ATM. 18:24 LemonLake Weird 18:25 ShadowNinja LemonLake: Must be a Windows issue. Install Lunux. ;-) 18:26 LemonLake Working on that right now :) 18:26 LemonLake It's a matter of compiling it on linux 18:27 SnowD So, when will minetest be able to replace Minec*aft? 18:27 LemonLake When the community grows but doesn't turn into 6 year old kids trying to act smart and ruining everything 18:27 SnowD That's a thing that happened? 18:28 SnowD I had no idea :I 18:28 LemonLake Have you not seen the minecraft community? 18:28 SnowD Well, I'm part of it. 18:28 reactor Congratulations. 18:28 SnowD but I'm still interested in open-source projects 18:28 LemonLake Okay :) 18:28 SnowD which is why I'm here ;D 18:29 LemonLake Whoa 18:29 LemonLake linux cinnamon looks sexy 18:29 LemonLake definitely getting it 18:29 SnowD I tried Minetest a few times, last time not too long ago 18:29 SnowD It looks 18:29 SnowD alpha 18:29 reactor LemonLake: users like you are ruining UNIX. 18:29 SnowD xD 18:29 LemonLake "users like you are ruining UNIX." 18:29 LemonLake Can you elaborate? 18:30 SnowD mapgen was pretty boring and it crashed/hung 18:30 SnowD but that aside, it was promising! 18:30 Calinou Minetest shouldn't crash, since like 2011 18:30 LemonLake The modding API definitely needs to be improved 18:30 LemonLake Actually, devs, out of interest 18:30 Calinou the mapgen has jungles and dungeons but they are not present by default 18:30 nman3600 ooh maybe adding a poster to my mod and it'll be a poster of the minetest logo 18:31 LemonLake Could I even start helping with expanding the Lua API? 18:31 Calinou LemonLake, #minetest-dev 18:31 SnowD well, the map was like stone hills as far as I could see/walk xD 18:31 Calinou you need C++ knowledge 18:31 LemonLake Which I have quite a bit of. 18:31 Calinou you need to be familiar with the code base first 18:31 LemonLake I mean, if I were to make active pull requests would they be happy to take them 18:31 LemonLake That may take some time 18:31 ShadowNinja SnowD: That's the expirimental v7 mapgen, use v6. 18:31 Calinou which kind of features would you make? 18:31 Calinou communication is important: talk before implementing 18:31 ShadowNinja SnowD: v7 requires a game that adds biomes for it. 18:31 Calinou this may avoid you crying due to one of your PRs not being merged 18:32 LemonLake I'm unsure yet. 18:32 Calinou or worse, being closed immediatly 18:32 LemonLake What would you guys like to see? 18:32 whiskers75 ShadowNinja: what? 18:32 whiskers75 I got pinged 18:32 ShadowNinja LemonLake: http://dev.minetest.net/TODO 18:33 ShadowNinja whiskers75: No more bots. 18:33 LemonLake Oh neat 18:33 LemonLake "craft recipe drawing support"? 18:33 whiskers75 ShadowNinja: :( why not, out of interest? 18:34 LemonLake Creating the VDI now 18:34 ShadowNinja whiskers75: Because you flood with them and don't ask to bring them in. 18:35 whiskers75 OK, I won't join any bots. 18:36 Calinou “ Add configuration for DungeonGen 18:36 Calinou Add configuration for CaveGen ” 18:36 Calinou how easy are these items, ShadowNinja? 18:36 Calinou are these just minetest.conf settings? 18:36 LemonLake What's craft recipe drawing support? 18:36 ShadowNinja Calinou: Sounds like just adding some g_settings->get() calls with proper caching. 18:37 LemonLake ^ 18:37 Calinou you could do that :P 18:37 Calinou as a training 18:37 LemonLake Me? 18:37 SnowD I cannot scroll inside minetest menus 18:38 LemonLake Sounds basic, sounds good 18:38 LemonLake just gotta wait half an hour for the VDI 18:38 Calinou SnowD, there's an handle at the right 18:38 Calinou VDI? 18:38 LemonLake Virtual Disk Image 18:38 LemonLake my linux machine is dead 18:38 LemonLake so I'm using a VM 18:38 whiskers75 Linux ftw 18:38 Calinou a kernel ftw 18:39 whiskers75 pls 18:39 whiskers75 pls(tm) ftw 18:39 SnowD yea, but 18:40 SnowD that's what a scrollwheel is for 18:40 LemonLake Hey PilzAdam, can you look at something for me? 18:40 ShadowNinja SnowD: Works for me. 18:40 SnowD strange 18:40 ShadowNinja SnowD: Irrlicht probably handles that. 18:41 SnowD oops 18:41 SnowD I accidentialy closed the game 18:42 SnowD but yea, tried the scrolling in the menu under Online Mod Repository 18:42 ShadowNinja Anyone know of a good host for a 1.3GB gziped tarball? 18:43 LemonLake If you've completed getting started on dropbox you get 50gb free sapce 18:43 LemonLake space 18:43 SnowD for some reason I cannot close the modstore anymore... 18:45 nman3600 what was the forum page for raillike again 18:45 ShadowNinja This is going to take a while to upload... 18:45 LemonLake Jsjzjsjzs niall, use google! 18:45 SnowD btw, why does the player have no arm? 18:45 LemonLake It does? 18:45 nman3600 LemonLake i did 18:45 nman3600 i can't find the page i used b4 18:46 Vazon ShadowNinja: is there a reason the chainsaw in the technic mod will not work on claimed areas?? im using you areas mod 18:47 SnowD I pressed "leave the game", but the console's still here... 18:47 LemonLake I'm gonna eat while this VDI is being created. See ya in a bit, fellas. 18:48 SnowD Well, I do see why Minetest isn't ready to replace "that one other game" yet. 18:50 ShadowNinja Vazon: Yes, that would be a breach or protection. 18:50 Vazon mhmm even is the player owns that land? 18:51 ShadowNinja Vazon: In that case it should work. 18:51 Vazon mhmm well isnt isnt on my server :| 18:51 Vazon it just drains the saws charge and then nothing happens to the tree 18:51 ShadowNinja SnowD: What were the last few lines in the console? 18:52 SnowD does the console save a log? 18:53 SnowD found it 18:53 SnowD it's 18:53 SnowD 20:48:11: INFO: event_handler(): Ctrl+C, Close Event, Logoff Event or Shutdown Event, shutting down. 18:54 ShadowNinja Hmmm, it should have exited shortly after that. 18:54 SnowD yea 18:59 LemonLake SnowD 19:00 SnowD LemonLake 19:00 LemonLake To be honest, I'm speaking from my own mind here but I think a lot of us can relate 19:00 NakedFury hello channel 19:00 LemonLake Minetest isn't supposed to 'replace' Minecraft 19:00 LemonLake The game, while inspired by Minecraft, is going to be different 19:00 SnowD I know. 19:00 nman3600 ugh i forgot the page i've got the poster set as "signlike" 19:00 LemonLake I know a lot of people say that, but it's true 19:00 SnowD Nothing will be able to, anyways. 19:00 nman3600 but it doesn't work best 19:01 LemonLake It's similar to minecraft because that's what people like nowadays. 19:01 LemonLake But they can enjoy a completely different experience. 19:05 LemonLake The mint is being installed, let's party! 19:06 nman3600 instead of {-0.5, -0.5, -0.5, 0.5, -0.4, 0.5}, for walls what is the one for floor? 19:06 LemonLake Look at slabs :D 19:06 nman3600 i mean floors then walls 19:06 nman3600 what is it for walls 19:06 LemonLake Oh. 19:06 LemonLake Play around with the values 19:07 nman3600 ka 19:07 LemonLake Oi niall 19:07 LemonLake https://code.google.com/p/sproxel/ 19:07 LemonLake https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7102 19:07 LemonLake See if you can work that out. 19:07 LemonLake It'll help a lot 19:08 LemonLake Then when NBE 0.6.4 is released and stable, switch to that 19:10 nman3600 is it easy to use? 19:10 LemonLake Never tried it. 19:10 LemonLake Just googled it. 19:12 nman3600 testing in a few mins 19:12 LemonLake Don't ask me how to set it up because I don't have a clue 19:13 LemonLake I'm installing Mint right now, anyway. 19:13 nman3600 well i had to get sproxel itself and the plugin for minetest that 19:14 LemonLake Come look at how fancy mint is 19:15 rubenwardy LemonLake: Building a windows build for Node Box Editor 0.6.4 19:15 rubenwardy Soon to be released (TM) 19:16 LemonLake Woo! 19:16 LemonLake If you have a Linux build coming out I'm happy to test it on my mint when it's done 19:16 LemonLake It's installing the system now, then I have to get apps 19:18 LemonLake Do I have to compile minetest? 19:18 LemonLake I don't think it's much of an issue to but do I? 19:19 Mikerhinos hi 19:20 LemonLake Sorry, I closed IRC by accident. 19:20 LemonLake Did I miss anytin? 19:22 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Fix setThreadName support for BSD 31f9912e9e 2014-05-26T15:20:06-04:00 http://git.io/aZKx5w 19:22 LemonLake :DDD 19:25 rubenwardy BRB 19:25 rubenwardy LemonLake: You don't need to compile minetest to use NBE 19:26 LemonLake What? 19:26 LemonLake rubenwardy, I need to compile minetest on my mint... 19:28 reactor So the problem with Russian lies in std::string wide_to_narrow(const std::wstring& wcs) 19:28 reactor wcstombs() fails 19:32 reactor *slow clap* Set the locale, it started printing litle squares. 19:32 reactor Despite IRC supporting UTF-8 properly. 19:33 LemonLake nman3600 has the attention span of a goldfish 19:33 LemonLake I bloody hate it 19:35 nman3600 BHEIASDas 19:37 LemonLake How do you set your nick in xchat? 19:37 LemonLake Mine is stuck on 'arnold' 19:37 nman3600 LemonLake i'm so stupid i can find the raillike page i used in my history LOL 19:38 LemonLake Nevermind. 19:40 LemonLake_Mint Et voilà 19:40 LemonLake_Mint This is what happens when I find out software is shipped with operating systems. I make accounts for them. 19:43 nman3600 found it! 19:44 LemonLake_Mint Good for you 19:44 nman3600 took me ages 19:46 Jordach LemonLake_Mint, just use one name 19:46 Jordach much easier to do 19:47 LemonLake_Mint Jordach, I have three computers. 19:47 Jordach LemonLake_Mint, use a bouncer or something 19:47 LemonLake I had to set up the NickServ. 19:47 LemonLake That's why I was on _Mint 19:51 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=142893#p142893 19:51 rubenwardy !title 19:51 MinetestBot rubenwardy: [Editor] Node Box Editor [0.6.4 -!- bug fixes] - Minetest Forums 19:51 rubenwardy LemonLake, Calinou ^ 19:52 LemonLake Hell yeah! 19:52 LemonLake Has it been tested on linux? 19:52 LemonLake I'm on my mint now, and I love it so much. 19:52 rubenwardy Calinou: can you try to build the latest version, to see if the error persists 19:52 rubenwardy LemonLake: it has been tested on Ubuntu 19:54 LemonLake Aight 19:56 nman3600 i've only just made one nod within one hour it was a hard node to make 20:11 Jordach >hard nodew 20:12 Jordach seriously 20:12 Jordach i spent a few hours on my liquid tanks alone 20:12 reactor I still don't get it how to set up UTF-8 support. 20:13 Jordach it's so weird without my neckbeard 20:13 reactor I've set LANG environment, now "conversion failed" is gone, but I see rectanbles instead of Russian letters. 20:23 Megaf LemonLake: You could give a try to Mint Debian 20:24 LemonLake I'm fine with this 20:25 LemonLake MRW "the package 'vlc' is already installed": http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/wtf/wtf%20(2).gif 20:26 Megaf It's such fun to read the server log and read the conversations 20:26 Megaf in real time 20:26 LemonLake Haha 20:27 Megaf LemonLake: Best Mint Eva! http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php 20:28 LemonLake I like regular Mint Cinnamon 20:28 LemonLake Not a fan of Debian 20:28 Megaf Debian for stability 20:30 LemonLake nman3600 20:38 LemonLake Okay, time to get stuff. 20:38 Megaf Hey john_minetest 20:39 LemonLake Hey john_minetest 20:39 SoniEx2 I have a question about games 20:39 SoniEx2 are 8388607 node IDs enough? 20:40 LemonLake Is that how many you're using? 20:40 SoniEx2 I mean 20:40 SoniEx2 games in general 20:40 SoniEx2 which use blocks/nodes/cubes for their maps 20:40 LemonLake It's rare that that limit will be reached. 20:40 LemonLake But it's better to be on the safe side. You never know. 20:46 Megaf I was told the map was infinite 20:46 LemonLake Around 32768 in all axis I think 20:46 LemonLake If not, infinite 20:47 Megaf well, just teleport to 32700 and fly fast to see what happens 20:47 Piggybear87 "public Server List" is crashing my client. Any ideas? 20:47 Jordach Megaf, i once did that by modifying the map limit 20:48 Jordach the world will continue upto ~32600 20:48 Jordach after that place IT WILL INSTANT crash 20:48 LemonLake 32768 it is 20:48 LemonLake because it's a power of two 20:48 ShadowNinja The map generator stops at 30912. 20:48 LemonLake It probably crashes because it's trying to load beyond that 20:48 LemonLake Well there you go 20:48 SoniEx2 meh 20:49 SoniEx2 minecraft worlds are better than minetest worlds 20:49 Piggybear87 Anyone? 20:49 LemonLake Can you stop comparing Minetest to Minecraft? 20:49 LemonLake Piggybear87, are you under a proxy/firewall? 20:49 SoniEx2 but minecraft is infinite 20:49 LemonLake No, it's not. 20:49 LemonLake There is no such thing as 'infinite' 20:49 LemonLake At least not in computer terms. 20:49 Piggybear87 No clue. 20:49 SoniEx2 well it's 2^32 = infinite 20:50 Jordach generalized infinity and true infinity are usually merged for human terma 20:50 ShadowNinja SoniEx2: No, MineCraft has a bigger horizontal limit, but a much lower vertical limit. 20:50 LemonLake ^ 20:50 Jordach still not cubically generated 20:50 ShadowNinja SoniEx2: 2^16 is close enough to infinite for anyone. 20:50 LemonLake My favourite thing about minetest worlds is that it's ~30k on the Y axis, too. 20:50 LemonLake You can have really deep mineshafts, instead of hitting 'bedrock' 20:50 LemonLake And you can build the tallest buildings you'll ever need 20:51 ShadowNinja ^ 20:51 Jordach however 20:51 SoniEx2 ShadowNinja, as if there aren't ppl trying to make it vertically "infinite" 20:51 Jordach AT LEAST i WONT have to dig down 4km to get my special ores 20:51 LemonLake As well as this, it loads 'quicker' 20:51 LemonLake it gets loaded in 80x80x80 nodes, or 5x5x5 blocks 20:51 LemonLake whereas minecraft loads rougly 80x80 øn xz, but the entire y axis 20:52 LemonLake okay, mint gives me fancy characters. øøøeæø¢→eæ 20:52 ShadowNinja Jordach: In MC that isn't even an option, so ores have to be really scarce but shallow. 20:52 Jordach <- can get MC diamonds within the hour, in minetest? not even within a few hours in minetest 20:52 LemonLake That's why we have mods 20:52 ShadowNinja Jordach: In Minetest mining is certainly a lot harder. 20:53 LemonLake Adds to the challenge 20:53 Jordach ShadowNinja, that's amplified in BFD 20:53 SoniEx2 the only problem with Minecraft is Java 20:53 LemonLake ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 20:53 LemonLake yes. 20:53 LemonLake 100% agree 20:54 SoniEx2 and notch 20:54 LemonLake nah, Notch is a cool guy. 20:54 SoniEx2 because of the 1000's of lines of bad code 20:54 LemonLake 'spaghetti code' 20:54 Jordach to be fair it wasn't a sandbox when it started 20:54 Piggybear87 How do I tell if I'm behind a firewall or proxy? I'm used to Windows, not linux. 20:54 LemonLake I wouldn't judge somebody by their ability to write clean code 20:55 LemonLake That's just out. 20:55 Jordach Piggybear87, firewall is like the windows one, except user apps aren't instantly blocked by the zealois firewall 20:55 ShadowNinja Piggybear87: Um, most distors don't come with a firewall by default. It isn't necessary. 20:56 ShadowNinja Piggybear87: Your router will still filter things though. 20:56 Piggybear87 So why can't I connect to any servers? The game crashes when I click "public server list". 21:03 Piggybear87 There's nothing in the debug.txt. It just closes. 21:03 LemonLake ^ 21:03 LemonLake Errorless crash, just what I had. 21:04 LemonLake I'm on Linux now., 21:04 LemonLake Compiling the game, then gonna test it again. 21:04 Piggybear87 I'm ON Linux.... 21:04 LemonLake I haven't tested it yet, if you haven't read my previous messages. 21:04 Piggybear87 Ok, I will get that. 21:05 LemonLake I'm downloading gdb now. 21:06 LemonLake But I'm 60% compiling minetest. Gonna test before I gdb. 21:09 LemonLake 95% im so hyped 21:09 Piggybear87 While I'm waiting for this to download, anyone know how to switch Lubuntu's clock to non 24hr? 21:10 LemonLake Right click it, it's in there if I remember right 21:10 Piggybear87 Yeah. but I don't know how to change it. 21:10 LemonLake Actually, it's usually a locale thing 21:11 Piggybear87 The clock format is %R Do I change that to something else? and if so, what? 21:13 LemonLake %a %b %e, %H:%M 21:13 LemonLake That's on mint 21:13 LemonLake Go to System -> Administration -> Language Support 21:14 LemonLake On the Text Tab, choose your prefered language to display numbers, dates, ... 21:14 LemonLake Just look around in language support 21:14 Piggybear87 That added Day, month, and date, which is cool, but it's still 24hr. 21:14 LemonLake OH 21:14 LemonLake You want 12 hr 21:14 Piggybear87 Yeah. Lol. 21:14 LemonLake %h:%m 21:14 LemonLake %I:%M %p 21:14 LemonLake sorry, ^ 21:15 Piggybear87 THERE we go. Thanks! 21:15 LemonLake Np 21:15 LemonLake Just add on %a %b %e, if you wish for the date etc 21:16 LemonLake Okay, my minetest is glitched out on Mint 21:16 Piggybear87 Black sky and no inv textures? 21:17 LemonLake All the window borders go black, my wallpaper has disappeared, and the actual game graphics are always on top 21:18 LemonLake Any ideas? 21:20 Piggybear87 Is that what's wrong? 21:20 LemonLake Yes. 21:21 LemonLake My entire system graphics are glitched out. 21:21 LemonLake I'm gonna shut down and look in the VM settings, AFK 21:21 SoniEx2 lol VM 21:23 nman3600 hai 21:23 nman3600 http://pastebin.com/XXJ9mtPu 21:23 Piggybear87 OK, I got the degug thing. How do I use it? 21:23 nman3600 HALP 21:24 LemonLake Don't 'lol VM' me 21:24 LemonLake As I've said before, my actual machine is borked. 21:25 Piggybear87 LemonLake, 21:25 Piggybear87 OK, I got the degug thing. How do I use it? 21:25 LemonLake Yo 21:25 nman3600 halp i don't see how this is an error http://pastebin.com/XXJ9mtPu 21:25 LemonLake I'm actually unsure at this point 21:25 SoniEx2 LemonLake, kill it with fire? 21:25 LemonLake I'm trying to get Minetest working first 21:25 LemonLake It just like murders my graphics 21:25 Piggybear87 john_minetest, 21:25 Piggybear87 OK, I got the degug thing. How do I use it? 21:25 LemonLake nman, you're missing } 21:26 nman3600 where tho cuz when i put it where it said b4 it didn't work same error 21:30 Piggybear87 I can't even FIND gbd. How do I use it. Lol. 21:31 Piggybear87 It's saying I have to sudo apt-get it. I just now downloaded it through synaptic. 21:32 Piggybear87 It shouldn't what? 21:33 Piggybear87 I know. I Have it, but I can't find it. 21:33 Piggybear87 Lubuntu. 21:33 Piggybear87 It's open. 21:34 Piggybear87 Some parts. I'm new to Linux. 21:35 Piggybear87 Like cd home... or...? 21:36 Piggybear87 OK. got it. 21:37 Piggybear87 I'm in /.minetest 21:38 Piggybear87 cache client debug.txt minetest.conf mods worlds 21:41 Piggybear87 That's what I just did. 21:41 Piggybear87 Then is it a Minetest fail? 21:41 Piggybear87 Synaptic. 21:44 Jordach do not paste the output here 21:44 Jordach use a goddamn pastebin 21:45 Piggybear87 I don't get it. I'm up to "T3882:/usr/bin$ 21:45 Piggybear87 " 21:46 asl just typing `which minetest` should tell you where it is 21:46 Piggybear87 No output, just gave me another line. 21:49 Piggybear87 GAH! I'm too stupid for Linux! 21:49 Jordach Piggybear87, you'll adjust 21:49 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix misplaced selection box in some situations ab75b1b923 2014-05-26T22:47:40+02:00 http://git.io/9xq80g 21:49 Jordach IT IS VERY different until you get used to that terminal :P 21:49 Piggybear87 I'm stuck! 21:50 Piggybear87 I'm still at /usr/bin$ 21:52 Piggybear87 outputs "/usr/games/minetest 21:52 Piggybear87 " 21:52 asl lol, it put it in games 21:53 VanessaE hi 21:53 Piggybear87 I just put "cd /usr/games" and typed "minetest" and it launcehed the game. 21:54 Piggybear87 Yes 21:55 Piggybear87 The program 'gdb' can be found in the following packages: 21:55 Piggybear87 * gdb 21:55 Piggybear87 * gdb-minimal 21:55 Piggybear87 Try: sudo apt-get install 21:55 Piggybear87 But I have it! 22:02 Piggybear87 That;s too much to paste. 22:02 Piggybear87 That's* 22:05 LemonLake I has returned. 22:05 LemonLake Okay, this is f'd up 22:05 LemonLake I'm gonna record this 22:05 LemonLake Brb 22:07 Piggybear87 I did that and it launched Minetest. I clicked "public sever list" and it froze the whole window. I can't get rid of it... 22:08 Piggybear87 http://pastie.org/9220398 22:09 LemonLake Got a vid for you, uploading now. 22:11 LemonLake Uploading 22:12 Piggybear87 This is everything... http://pastie.org/9220414 22:12 LemonLake Aeueguh processing 22:14 Piggybear87 Ok. Thanks. 22:14 LemonLake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlM2A7nyS3U 22:14 LemonLake Please watch 22:15 Piggybear87 When I click the "Public server list" checkbox. It crashes the game. 22:19 LemonLake Nobody gonna help me? 22:22 Piggybear87 I don't know what would cause that? 22:22 Piggybear87 LemonLake, ^ 22:23 LemonLake well crap 22:24 LemonLake forum time 22:24 Piggybear87 See, with mine, My Minetest window goes black kinda. I have no inv textures and my sky is black. It's all in my fourum post "Tedypig's general discussion about being new to linux" 22:25 LemonLake actually i'll try an older version first 22:29 LemonLake shame 22:35 Jordach omfg my beard won't stop itching 22:40 Piggybear87 Jordach, Light it on fire.. 22:40 Jordach i shaved it 22:40 Piggybear87 Oh. 22:40 Jordach and it is an absolute kun-- 22:41 Piggybear87 My legs do that. (yes, I shave them...) 22:46 Jordach protip: good quality soap + cold water 22:47 Jordach apply that sucka to the irritated area 22:47 Jordach or just apply a cold object to it (like a bag of frozen pes) 22:47 Jordach peas* 22:48 Piggybear87 It's usually the next day... and for about 5-7 days after... Maybe men shouldn't shave their legs... Lol. 22:48 SnowD dude 22:48 SnowD wat 22:49 Piggybear87 SnowD, Don't judge, bro... 22:49 SnowD I judge you for massive off-topic xD 22:49 asl Piggybear87: can you post the output of `minetest --version` ? 22:49 Jordach <- irc admin and admin of many popular servers as well as a minetest forum moderator 22:50 Piggybear87 asl, Minetest 0.4.9 22:50 Piggybear87 Using Irrlicht 1.8.1 22:50 Piggybear87 Build info: VER=0.4.9 BUILD_TYPE=Release RUN_IN_PLACE=0 USE_GETTEXT=1 USE_SOUND=1 USE_CURL=1 USE_FREETYPE=1 USE_LUAJIT=1 STATIC_SHAREDIR=/usr/share/games/minetest 22:51 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIL4-5AIaSE 22:51 Piggybear87 Jordach, What's that^ 22:53 LemonLake https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=142903#p142903 22:53 Hirato I'm convinced RUN_IN_PLACE=0 doesn't get tested at all by anyone 22:54 asl i use RUN_IN_PLACE=0 22:55 Piggybear87 I don't self compile... 22:55 LemonLake I do 22:55 LemonLake Testing older version now 22:55 asl the one in fedora repo is also broken 22:56 asl but when i build myself, it works fine 22:56 Piggybear87 So, It's not just me? 22:56 LemonLake How can I get the actual commit of my minetest version? 22:56 LemonLake I want to see what commit my windows one is it 22:56 LemonLake at* 22:57 asl nope, it happen to me when i use the one in the repo 22:57 Hirato the UI is horribly broken for anything to do with run in place 0 22:57 LemonLake Ahhh.... 22:57 LemonLake ahhh... 22:57 LemonLake yes.... 22:57 LemonLake how do I run in place 0? 22:58 Hirato it's the default unless you're freeminer 22:58 LemonLake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlM2A7nyS3U 22:58 LemonLake That's my issue 23:00 VanessaE Hirato: I always use -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 23:00 Hirato I say your issue is virtualbox :M 23:00 LemonLake Might be 23:01 LemonLake But in theory it should work 23:01 LemonLake I'll get Virtual PC and try that. 23:02 Piggybear87 Wait. asl, It also happened when I tried the Windows version using Wine. I just remembered. 23:03 LemonLake Or not 23:03 LemonLake Maybe if I only use one monitor 23:04 asl so it must be when the version bump happen, it's 4.9 isn't it? it's working in the dev version so it must have gotten fix after 4.9 23:04 VanessaE zero point four point nine. 23:05 asl oops, missing the leading 0 23:06 LemonLake Could 3d acceleration be causing it? 23:07 LemonLake Oh. 23:07 LemonLake It was 3d acceleration 23:07 LemonLake rofl 23:10 Hirato if run in place does it tested, how come globally installed mods aren't listed in the GUI? :D 23:18 LemonLake Hello again 23:20 LemonLake Ever since I disabled 3D acceleration, the mint is now super slow 23:23 asl Piggybear87: 0.4.9 is release on Jan 2, the public list was fix on May 17, link to issue, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1297 23:24 asl so i guess you got to build it yourself to get it working or you could just go to http://servers.minetest.net and copy & paste the ip & port into the game 23:29 LemonLake_ I'm so pissed off at this 23:29 LemonLake_ Without 3D acceleration, it's super 'laggy' (the entire system), but with it, the entire UI of the system kills itself 23:30 Exio4 3d accel? disable useless effects 23:30 LemonLake_ I'm sorry, what? 23:33 Piggybear87 Sorry, I was eating. So I need to compile it myself?? CRAP! I hate doing that.. 23:39 LemonLake So nobody can provide any help to the issue? 23:55 asl lemonlake: you could maybe turn off all the eye candy on the entire system? that way it shouldn't be laggy even without the 3D acceleration 23:57 RealBadAngel asl, that system was in VM 23:57 asl oh