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Time Nick Message
00:01 coder Is it a hidden file?
00:01 Menche no, would be in src/
00:02 Menche if you actually do this, keep in mind that most server admins will not be amused if you use it on their servers.
00:05 iqualfragile coder: ok, simple guide
00:05 iqualfragile click on your c: drive
00:06 iqualfragile then open the WINDOWS folder
00:07 Menche lol
00:07 iqualfragile in there you go ahead and find the system32 folder
00:07 coder STFU
00:07 iqualfragile it might be called systemWOW64 if you have a recent os
00:07 iqualfragile you need to delete the whole folder
00:07 iqualfragile it contains the colision detection code
00:07 EvergreenTree coder: No one is going to help you if you say STFU
00:07 coder lol thanks iqualfragile
00:07 iqualfragile then just start minetest and you will be able to walk throught walls and even spot undergnound ores
00:07 Menche :D
00:08 coder And sorry for my bad language
00:08 coder I wasn't talking to Menche
00:08 coder tThanks Menche
00:08 iqualfragile np
00:11 iqualfragile coder: but please do not hack my server now, ok?
00:11 * Menche thinks that code would be in src/player.cpp maybe
00:12 iqualfragile coder: oh, i am so sorry, it is sysWOW64 not system, hope i did not confuse you
00:14 PilzAdam coder, dont forget to rename minetest.exe into leethaxxor.exe
00:14 Menche and the "most helpful channel" award goes to...
00:16 PilzAdam /msg iqualfragile please dont tell him where exactly the collision detection in that folder is
00:18 iqualfragile Menche: thanks, but i just shared a litle experience
00:18 iqualfragile i did the same thing and as a side effect my computer got a lot faster
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00:29 Exio4 coder: if you actually made the question in a non-lamer way, you probably could have got a real answer instead of all this
00:33 EvergreenTree sfan5: what is minetestbot's command to give someone a link to the article on how to ask questions?
00:34 PilzAdam !questions EvergreenTree
00:34 MinetestBot EvergreenTree, someone thinks that your question is inaccurate or doesn't follow the guidelines. Read here how to make it right: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
00:34 EvergreenTree Thank you
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00:47 EvergreenTree o/ us_0gb
00:48 us_0gb Hey EvergreenTree! And how are you?
00:48 EvergreenTree good
00:48 EvergreenTree iqualfragile, do not tell him that, that's a secret
00:48 EvergreenTree :P
00:49 us_0gb Yeah, you probably shouldn't trust me with secrets.
00:52 harrison ooo tell me i love a good secret!
00:52 harrison you can trust me
00:52 harrison i am not a bot
00:52 harrison i am a free ai!
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00:55 us_0gb I might be a robot. Or I might be the NSA. Likewise, I might be that nosy neighbor that's always trying to figure out what you're up to.
00:56 us_0gb #The point is, you don't know me. Why tell me secrets? It would not be wise.
00:59 EvergreenTree Actually, do I trust you?   I don't know actually
00:59 EvergreenTree is it a good idea?
01:00 us_0gb No. Trust is always a bad idea.
01:00 us_0gb Trust no one. They're all out to get you.
01:00 * EvergreenTree hides in a shell
01:00 us_0gb Don't even trust this warning.
01:01 EvergreenTree I just know there is a chainsaw out there with my name on it
01:01 * EvergreenTree shivers
01:01 PilzAdam bye
01:01 Menche trust no one, especially loggers!
01:01 Menche (if you're a tree)
01:02 us_0gb I'm a logger. Though to be clear, I mean that I log this channel along with all the others I'm on.
01:03 us_0gb Though every time I reset my system, I don't restore the logs, so I lose them. I don't know why I keep them, anyway.
01:05 Exio4 i have logs for being able to /grep
01:05 Exio4 they're public anyway
01:07 us_0gb Huh. I don't know why I didn't think of greping the logs, but that would have come in handy on numerous occasions.
01:08 EvergreenTree us_0gb: How do I know you aren't lying about being a logger(tree cutter)?
01:08 EvergreenTree You can't believe anything you see on the internet
01:10 us_0gb I don't claim to log trees. But one fell over in my front yard from all the ice. It's uprooted! Another in my front yard is slanted now.
01:10 harrison since the winter olympics are this week he prolly meant luger not logger
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01:14 us_0gb I guess I'm a tree killer by proxy though. I do live in a wooden house and, earlier today, I was using paper products!
01:30 EvergreenTree us_0gb: You traitor!
01:30 EvergreenTree 0_o
01:31 us_0gb EvergreenTree: How can I possibly be a traitor when I was never on the side of the trees?
01:32 EvergreenTree Everyone is on the side of  the trees until proven otherwise
01:33 us_0gb Oh. Okay then.
01:33 us_0gb Sorry, but I'm on the side of farming. Including tree farming.
01:33 us_0gb How do I prove that?
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01:40 Exio4 paper can be made out of sugar cane?
01:40 Exio4 iirc?
01:51 Exio4 avconv is shit
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01:56 Exio4 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-​bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729147
02:07 us_0gb Sugarcane? What are you, a Minecrafter? Here at Minetest, we don't even *have* sugarcane.
02:08 Exio4 i'm talking about real life :[
02:09 us_0gb ;Oh, my bad. I didn't know that was possible in the real world.
02:09 Menche i don't think so
02:09 * us_0gb apologizes for calling Exio4 a bad name
02:09 Exio4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagasse#Pulp.2C_paper_and_board
02:10 Menche i thought mojang just renamed papyrus to get sugar out of it or something like that
02:11 Menche oh, i guess it can :D
02:11 us_0gb Minetest needs beets. That's where we'll get our sugar, if we decide we need sugar for some reason.
02:11 Exio4 minetest needs nukes
02:11 VanessaE we already get sugar from papyrus.
02:11 VanessaE bushes classic mod.
02:12 Menche minetest used to have nukes (well, in a mod)
02:12 Exio4 we need nukes, and an scale version of earth
02:12 Exio4 with, at least, the US, cuba and russia
02:12 Exio4 if we can also add zyklon b and germany that would be nice
02:12 * Exio4 hides
02:13 us_0gb Oh, what? Sugar from papyrus? That's lame.
02:13 VanessaE I guess there wasn't any other option at the time.
02:13 * us_0gb starts building the competing sugarbeets module
02:13 Exio4 13gb left and about 8 in the queue
02:14 Exio4 + doge coin blockchain + ??
02:14 Exio4 i don't think this is good
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02:14 * Menche wonders if anyone thinks dogecoin will actually ever be useful
02:15 Exio4 why not
02:16 * us_0gb would avoid them just because they're memeier than alternatives such as Bitcoin
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02:18 Exio4 you use it because its community is friendly and nice
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02:55 Exio4 someone needs to code the copy-paste support in console
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05:33 ShadowNinja Exio4: Right.  How good are you at irrlicht?...
05:33 ShadowNinja ;-D
06:48 Such-Adarqet Hello!
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07:24 specing http://i.imgur.com/eCsMlzD.png
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07:51 PenguinDad I need help: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1152
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08:20 PenguinDad ~seen Peacock
08:20 ShadowBot PenguinDad: I saw Peacock in #minetest 1 week, 1 day, 2 hours, 5 minutes, and 37 seconds ago saying "night".
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11:11 Jordach jordach@TeslaBolt:~$ sudo apt-get install kde
11:14 whiskers75 Jordach: nu
11:15 Jordach whiskers75, i've actually HAD ENOUGH of Spotify ignoring xfce's window settings
11:15 whiskers75 lol
11:15 Jordach later versions of xfce do not freak out, but by updating i lose greybird...
11:15 whiskers75 greybird?
11:16 Jordach the default theme of xubuntu
11:19 Megaf specing: so your server really lagged, blinking plant on my server is 1s
11:19 Jordach oh look - failminer
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11:20 Megaf well, let me check, im not sure
11:21 Megaf 2 seconds
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11:26 axper how do I change mouse speed/acceleration? It's too fast
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11:43 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:43 Exio4 ShadowNinja: from 1 to 100, about -infinite
11:44 Exio4 mouse_sensitivity axper?
11:44 Exio4 i think?
11:44 PenguinDad hello PilzAdam
11:46 axper Exio4: Thanks!
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11:51 Megaf Good morning PilzAdam
11:54 Exio4 oh, hi PA
12:05 restcoser Does someone in here know how to set orientation of blocks such as stairs and trees using voxelmanip?
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12:06 restcoser i can change the data of an array position/block, but i don't know how to change that "subdata"
12:08 PilzAdam change param2
12:08 PilzAdam there is get_param2_data() and set_param2_data()
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12:11 restcoser well, PilzAdam , how that?
12:11 restcoser data[area:index(gx,y1+1,gz)].set_param2_data()?
12:11 Megaf Folks, as server admin, unified_inventory will act like a creative inventory, how to I change that and make it act like a normal inventory showing recipes?
12:11 restcoser i know that there is such stuff using setblock, but with voxelmanip?
12:12 PilzAdam no, get_param2_data() is a method of the voxelmanip object and returns an array like get_data()
12:12 restcoser which i can then modify...
12:12 restcoser how do i know which data represents which orientation?
12:13 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L319
12:13 restcoser is there something like "get_param_id()" similar to "get_content_id()"?
12:13 restcoser ok, ty, ill dig around there
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12:26 Jordach PilzAdam, KDE
12:26 PilzAdam hm?
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12:31 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/lXTPjj3.png
12:32 PilzAdam <3
12:32 Exio4 i've switched to KDE yesterday
12:33 fireglow Are there rails and carts in Minetest?
12:33 Exio4 i'm still trying to make everything nicely
12:34 PilzAdam fireglow, there is a carts mod
12:34 Jordach shit
12:34 Jordach i've just made KDE look identical to Vista...
12:35 Exio4 poor jordach
12:37 fireglow PilzAdam: thanks, found it
12:37 sfan5 meow
12:37 fireglow oh, it's from you!
12:37 sfan5 hi everyone
12:38 Jordach hey sfan5
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12:38 Jordach converted xubuntu-desktop to kubuntu-desktop
12:38 sfan5 eww kde
12:38 Jordach Evergreen uses it, PilzAdam uses it, I use it
12:38 Exio4 kde is the best desktop enviroment
12:39 sfan5 kde is still better than unity
12:39 Exio4 i use it too :(
12:39 Exio4 racist jordach
12:39 PenguinDad Jordach: I use it too
12:41 Exio4 i wouldlike to know what makes l4d2 "awesome" outside having zombies + guns in the same game
12:43 Jordach Exio4, the zombies are never in the same place twice
12:43 Jordach nor are any of the special zombies
12:44 Exio4 is it just "kill all the zombies until you got bored" or does it has some "story background"?
12:44 Jordach sometimes that witch is in that spot, other games might not
12:46 Exio4 6.4/7.6
12:46 * Exio4 waits for the download to finish
12:46 Exio4 less than 1gb left :D
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12:51 Exio4 wtf i did
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12:51 Exio4 7.6 - 6.4 > 1
12:52 Jordach aw
12:52 Jordach i want to hide that annoying KDE panel options  button, but it can't be removed..
12:52 Shardvex Try XFCE =P
12:52 Jordach pfft
12:52 Jordach already used that
12:53 Jordach but it doesn't look good.
12:53 Shardvex ah.
12:53 Shardvex How about MATE or cinnamon
12:53 Shardvex What distro are you using BTW?
12:54 Jordach Xubuntu with kubuntu-desktop
12:54 Exio4 >MATE >cinnamonv
12:54 Jordach cinnamon is crap; i've tried Mint myself
12:54 Exio4 mate is sadly something that is half dead
12:54 Exio4 and cinnamon, well..
12:54 Shardvex I'm not really picky about desktop environments
12:54 Shardvex I used openbox for 5 years
12:55 Shardvex As long as it works
12:55 Shardvex I'm good
12:55 Shardvex How about GNOME?
12:55 Jordach ew
12:56 Shardvex lol
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12:57 Jordach basically, my tower just locked up with normal KDE, so fallback mode it it
12:57 Jordach is*
12:57 reactor are*
12:57 Jordach wtf, no difference in FPS.
12:58 Exio4 Shardvex: gnome3 is like telling someone to use windows
12:58 Exio4 no, worse than that
12:58 reactor wtf is with so many people trying to log in with wrong passwords?
12:58 Shardvex lol
12:59 Shardvex What about Unity Jordach?
12:59 Jordach !op
12:59 Shardvex I hate it, but it does look good
12:59 Jordach !stfy
12:59 Jordach !stfu
12:59 MinetestBot someone thinks you need to shut the fuck up before you get muted.
12:59 Shardvex lol k
12:59 Exio4 xD
12:59 reactor DEs are terrible.
13:00 Exio4 KDE is the best of them
13:00 reactor They're all too integrated, and too bloated.
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13:00 Exio4 the first thing is what they try to do
13:01 Shardvex I'm using a computer with 2GB ram and KDE tends to run slowly
13:01 Exio4 12gb here
13:01 Shardvex Especially more recent versions
13:01 Jordach BULLSHIT
13:01 Jordach >Jordach has 2GB
13:01 Exio4 used kde4 in the netbook with 1gb, and kde3 in the old desktop, with 256mb of ram
13:01 Jordach runs like XFCE4
13:01 Exio4 Shardvex: try gentoo
13:02 Shardvex Why
13:02 Shardvex I use Arch, which is similar to gentoo in how flexible it is
13:03 reactor Oh yeah, systemd.
13:03 Exio4 arch is like a rolling release that was created to fuck up
13:03 Exio4 use a real rolling release Shardvex
13:03 Shardvex <Exio4> used kde4 in the netbook with 1gb, and kde3 in the old desktop, with 256mb of ram <--Well, IDK... must be my crappy graphics card or something
13:04 Exio4 the netbook had an intel gma, the kde3 desktop had a sis 315 without 3d acceleration and barely any shitty 2d accel
13:04 Shardvex okay then maybe my computer hates me
13:04 Shardvex idk
13:04 Exio4 this desktop is actually mid-end-ish-cpu-with-low-end-gpu too :P
13:04 Exio4 fx x6 6100 + gt 610
13:05 Shardvex just bought a rasberri pi ftw
13:05 Shardvex raspberri*
13:05 reactor Raspberry Pi has no ECC RAM.
13:06 fireglow what happened to https://bitbucket.org/neko259/nature/overview ? :<
13:06 fireglow It's still listed on http://minetest.net/mods
13:06 reactor That's a major flaw, counting you can not really replace memory chips without special tools.
13:07 Exio4 raspberry pi is made to be the thinier working arm cpu in the cheapest box you can get
13:07 Exio4 not the "useful 35USD cpu"
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13:08 reactor Exactly A toy computer.
13:08 reactor s/ly/ly./
13:08 reactor Even a crappy peecee would be a better option. Sadly.
13:08 * Jordach is using a P4 with nVidia GeForce 6200
13:09 Jordach my pentium 4 kicks your machines ass, what do you have to say for yourself??
13:09 reactor Because they are modular, and you can choose parts. Raspberry is all in one, and once something no longer meets your requirements, you have to ditch the whole machine.
13:10 Exio4 the rpi you bought was 35 USD, isn't that a bit cheap to a "working" computer?
13:10 reactor And yeah, with proper software old systems do well.
13:10 Exio4 Jordach: give us a geekbench score
13:11 * PenguinDad has got a AMD Phenom II X6 1100T with a GeForce GTX 650
13:11 reactor Exio4: I doubt ECC RAM would increase the cost very much.
13:12 reactor It's useless without that.
13:12 Shardvex Ah, well I do not need that out of a Raspberri Pi
13:12 reactor With it, it could at least be used as a silent 24/7 machine.
13:12 reactor Without it, it is useless.
13:12 reactor Totally.
13:12 Shardvex Utterly
13:13 Jordach PenguinDad, my next machine is an AMD A10x4 @ 4.1GHZ, 8gb of ram, ATI Raedeon HD 8600
13:13 Jordach which is comparable to an Intel i5 :>
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13:14 Exio4 i would go for an A10-7xxxK + watercooling and overclock it to 5ghz!
13:14 * Exio4 runs
13:14 Jordach Exio4, 1 extra gigacycle isn't going to affect me
13:15 Exio4 this FX can get up to 4.7ghz stable
13:15 Exio4 but i need better cooling
13:16 Jordach Exio4, the turbo goes right upto 4.7ghz
13:16 Exio4 wtf
13:17 Exio4 with stock cooling?
13:17 Exio4 that is not sane
13:17 reactor What's the point of water cooling? Even large systems do not use it anymore.
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13:17 Exio4 reactor: it lets you convert the stuff to a phase change cooling later, and also lets you have higher overclocking
13:19 Jordach Exio4, AMD A10-6800K 4.1Ghz Quad Core APU
13:20 Exio4 hm, 6800? why not 7800?
13:20 Jordach because that's good enough for me
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13:21 Jordach and if i'm rendering all night long, it should drain less power, but have enough to chew through a few frames a minute
13:21 Exio4 but 7800 has new socket
13:21 Jordach Exio4, http://www.ebuyer.com/579786-​zoostorm-desktop-pc-7873-1214
13:21 reactor Exio4: phase change?! It requires expensive liquids and complicated piping!
13:21 reactor It's far easier to just find a proper radiator and provide enough airflow.
13:21 Exio4 more like converting the fridge into a cpu cooling system
13:22 Exio4 proper radiator won't let you have the same temps
13:22 reactor Oh, that one. Well, if you live in a desert that's the way.
13:23 reactor There is no point of cooling it below room temperature, is there?
13:23 Shardvex Now here's something awesome: http://benryves.com/projects/z80computer
13:23 Exio4 reactor, if the temperature is below room temperature, that means you can overclock more
13:23 Jordach with the recent flooding in the UK, that water's cold, so i could just stick the metal into the water
13:23 Exio4 and get higher frequencies
13:24 Jordach and move the heat into said water
13:24 reactor Exio4: and what's the point of overclocking? Why not just buy something more powerful for the money you would spend on cooling?
13:24 Jordach because shortening the life of tech is a better deal
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13:26 reactor Also, with phase change cooling, you're gonna meet its friend, condensation.
13:26 Exio4 reactor, overclocking lets you re-use the hardware
13:26 Exio4 and it also something fun to do if you have spare money
13:26 Jordach not everyone has spare money these days
13:26 reactor There is something better to do when you have spare money.
13:26 reactor And what Jordach said.
13:27 Exio4 i don't even have non-spare money
13:27 reactor So what's your point then?
13:27 arsdragonfly Well, sometimes you wanna make the most out of old hardware
13:28 reactor But you don't want to go too far into that, arsdragonfly.
13:28 reactor When cooling old hw becomes more expensive than buying new, why not buy new?
13:29 Jordach my P4 likes running at 58 celsius
13:29 Exio4 Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 45.0C mobo: 39.0C gpu: 44C
13:29 Exio4 FX ^
13:29 Exio4 stock cooling
13:29 Exio4 reactor: how much is buying a WC
13:30 Exio4 and how much is mobo+cpu+ram+harddisk+gpu
13:31 reactor Probably equal price, if decent cooling.
13:31 reactor Water cooling w/o phase change is pointless.
13:31 Exio4 why?
13:32 reactor Because you can as effectively do it with air cooling.
13:32 reactor For less price.
13:33 reactor What's the point of cooling chips with water, and then cooling water with air?
13:33 Exio4 if you use cheap wc...
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13:33 reactor Phase-change cooling is not as simple.
13:33 reactor s/as/that/
13:34 Exio4 reactor, why do engines have water cooling when they can just only use air cooling, both work eh
13:34 reactor Engines have too little surface available.
13:35 reactor And even cheapest boxen have enough room for big radiators.
13:35 Exio4 also, a all-in-one cooling :P
13:35 Exio4 i need to buy an UPS and harddisks though
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13:46 restcoser PilzAdam: local param2 = vm:get_param2_data()
13:46 restcoser ^says that get_param2_data is nil
13:47 PilzAdam what Minetest version do you use?
13:47 restcoser 0.49
13:47 restcoser *0.4.9
13:47 restcoser (and voxelmanip works for sure :P)
13:48 PilzAdam the function doesnt exist in 0.4.9 stable
13:48 PilzAdam it was added later
13:48 restcoser alright... i guess ill comment it out for now
13:48 restcoser so ill need to look into obtaining a dev build?
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14:02 john_minetest !rev !ynopyreve olleH
14:02 MinetestBot Hello everypony!
14:02 dadix thanks
14:02 reactor dadix: die.
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14:03 PenguinDad !b16d 4869206A6F686E5F6D696E6574657374
14:03 MinetestBot Hi john_minetest
14:11 tomreyn PenguinDad: you got a blank space on that hash
14:11 tomreyn oh wait, that's on purpose, sorry
14:11 * Jordach considers making a BigDig game
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14:11 reactor !b16d ----
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14:12 john_minetest lol... I wondered... lol....
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14:12 john_minetest "loggingbot has joined"
14:12 john_minetest That explains some things.
14:12 * sfan5 gives john_minetest a kitten
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14:12 * john_minetest hugs the kitten and puts it on his head
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14:14 * reactor snatches the kitten and puts it in a box.
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14:15 MinetestBot reactor: Failed to handle data
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14:15 dadix I am in creative option on a creative server. I can build anywhere I want?
14:16 PenguinDad MinetestBot was very fast :D
14:16 reactor MinetestBot: pwned.
14:17 dadix I do not understand how to build here. I know in opensim we have sandboxes to build
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14:19 dadix any help?
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14:38 Jordach dafuck
14:39 PilzAdam sfan5, op party?
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14:41 PenguinDad the net is splitty today :/
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14:43 john_minetest what? Did I miss an op party?
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14:57 sfan5 PilzAdam: apparently
15:03 Jordach wtf are my teeth doing
15:04 Jordach one minute they're feeling ok, the next they feel like they don't exist, the next they hurt for fucking *good* reason..
15:06 sfan5 eeeeeeee
15:06 sfan5 4chan is down
15:07 Shardvex_2 praise the lord
15:07 Shardvex_2 =P
15:07 * sfan5 throws the helix at Shardvex_2
15:07 sfan5 (if you do not understand watch twitchplayspokemon)
15:11 Shardvex_2 Slightly
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15:29 eraldev hi
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15:46 Shardvex_2 hi
15:46 Shardvex_2 welcome to grand central  station
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15:51 eraldev hello
15:52 specing Megaf: Its freeminer
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15:54 Jordach no wonder why it's soo sloooooooooooooooooowwww
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16:02 specing Must be the optimizations
16:04 Exio4 one of the optimizations of freeminer is kill abms or updates for reducing the "latency" of other things
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16:15 STHGOM hello
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16:18 Shardvex_2 What do the letters in your name stand for STHGOM
16:19 STHGOM Sparky The Happy Giraffe Of Minetest
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16:23 ranta heya all
16:25 john_minetest Hey STHGOM
16:25 STHGOM allooo
16:26 ranta i just recently started playing minetest but as my net wont allow me to connect to online games i have a been trying to find out somthing and have been scouring looking for the answer
16:27 STHGOM your net?
16:27 ranta internet its a public wifi  and theres a webfilter in place that prevents me from seeing the public server list
16:28 STHGOM hm
16:28 ranta but that has little to do with my question
16:28 sfan5 ranta: try any of these: http://proxy.org/
16:29 reactor 19:23 < Shardvex> Now here's something awesome: http://benryves.com/projects/z80computer
16:29 reactor Don't be ridiculous. Can it run UNIX?
16:30 ranta im on ubuntu 13.10 so theres a built in vpn i just cant find a relible connection to use my question has to do with a peticualr recipe
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16:31 sfan5 reactor: how 'bout this? http://spritesmods.com/?art=avrcpm
16:31 Shardvex_2 http://www.zdnet.com/photos/missed-out-on-ra​spberry-pi-herere-five-alternatives/6351193
16:32 Megaf specing: "optimizations"
16:32 Megaf so you are at the wrong channel xP
16:35 sfan5 Shardvex_2: have you heard of odroid, cubieboard and udoo?
16:35 specing RPI sucks so much it stinks to mars
16:35 Megaf specing: what?
16:35 specing there are no alternatives to it, everything is superior
16:36 Megaf Raspberry Pi is damn perfect fo what its meant for
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16:36 * sfan5 acks with Megaf
16:36 specing being a kids toy?
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16:36 Megaf specing: indeed is a terrbile PC, just like a Ferrari sucks to transport 40 people at once
16:37 ranta yup i have a teacher who had a home automation system based on a raspberry pis
16:37 Megaf Raspberry Pi is fast as hell for automation stuff
16:37 Megaf almost overkill
16:37 Megaf and still really cheap
16:37 specing I have an 200MHz ARM9 board with 100+ GPIOs
16:37 specing RPI is a joke when it comes to home automation
16:37 sfan5 lol
16:37 Megaf specing: would you like a gold mdal for that?
16:38 sfan5 the rpi was designed to have gpio's
16:38 specing how many, 10?
16:38 specing Can't do much with 10.
16:38 sfan5 but it wasn't designed to be used for home automation with more than 100 devices
16:38 sfan5 -.-
16:38 sfan5 <Megaf> specing: indeed is a terrbile PC, just like a Ferrari sucks to transport 40 people at once
16:38 reactor Home automation and no ECC.
16:39 reactor *slow clap*
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16:39 Megaf sfan5: actually it could be user for that,
16:39 Megaf people are using RPis to simulate clusters and learn about parallel stuf too
16:39 Megaf RPi its just great for LEARNING things
16:40 Megaf Not so great to actually implement them, it can do, yes, but will not be so great
16:40 * sfan5 uses his rpi as torrent client & printer server
16:40 ranta i may not be able to contribute the the convo very much but damni ti seeing all this computer stuff has me in heaven :P
16:40 sfan5 and samba share & web server
16:40 Megaf sfan5: your RPi must do that really well
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16:41 specing right.
16:41 sfan5 Megaf: it does
16:41 specing 700MHz ARM11 and SD cards/USB HDDs
16:41 specing (haha)
16:41 sfan5 but I couldn't get self-compiled nginx to work
16:41 sfan5 specing: i overclocked it to 900MHz
16:42 specing Oh gosh
16:42 specing I better hide
16:42 specing How many Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed does /proc/cpuinfo say?
16:42 specing ^ BogoMIPS
16:43 sfan5 2
16:43 sfan5 do I care?
16:43 sfan5 no
16:43 specing 2?
16:43 sfan5 BogoMIPS: 2.00
16:43 specing wat
16:44 sfan5 (ik that that value is very weird)
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16:44 specing my 200 Mhz ARM9 says 98 BogoMIPS
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17:18 rubenwardy Hi all
17:20 john_minetest hey rubenwardy
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17:25 Exio4 specing: looks like it is overclocked
17:26 domtron hi rubenwardy
17:26 Exio4 er, underclocked actually
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17:32 specing what is underclocked?
17:36 Exio4 working at non-max-stock frequency, probably powersave stuff
17:37 specing who?
17:37 john_minetest <specing> my 200 Mhz ARM9 ---> normally people use 1 GHz
17:37 john_minetest or pi
17:37 specing 200 MHz is fast enough
17:38 john_minetest lol, 4x3.4 here and still not satisfied
17:38 specing also BogoMIPS is computed at kernel startup, no powersave involved
17:38 specing and ARM9 averages to about 2 cycles per instruction
17:39 specing john_minetest: My main machine is 2x2.4 and I am satisfied
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17:39 specing my desktop is 4x3.6 and it is just too damn fast
17:40 specing not sure what you are doing to need more than 4x3.4
17:53 reactor clockwork?
17:55 Megaf specing: bogomips is not a real performance thing, it just show you how well your CPU does nothing
17:55 Megaf "the number of million times per second a processor can do absolutely nothing"
17:55 Megaf your ARM9 is really good at it
17:56 Megaf And you cant compare different CPUs
17:57 Megaf a 1994 Motorola MC688060 is "faster" in bogomips than a Pentium III Xeon
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17:58 eraldev Hi
17:58 Megaf Hi there
18:00 rubenwardy How do I get the currently selected node from pointed_thing?
18:01 VanessaE you have to use get_node and pointed_thing.under (or .above) as your position
18:01 VanessaE .under is the thing you're pointing at
18:01 VanessaE .above is the node between you and your target
18:02 VanessaE so e.g. under_node = minetest.get_node(pointed_thing.under)
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18:04 eraldev How to receive a player coord in lua api?
18:05 specing Megaf: hence Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed
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18:08 eraldev P
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18:09 eraldev Please give me link of lua minetest api
18:10 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
18:10 eraldev Thx Vanessa
18:11 VanessaE not sure what call fetches the player's coords though
18:11 eraldev Ok
18:11 eraldev Thank you
18:12 rubenwardy What is wrong with:
18:12 rubenwardy minetest.set_node(up(pos,1),"castle_rts:wall")
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18:12 rubenwardy I tried: minetest:set_node(up(pos,1),"castle_rts:wall")
18:12 VanessaE rubenwardy: { name = "castle_rts:wall" }
18:12 rubenwardy up(pos,dist) moves the y co-ord by dist
18:12 rubenwardy oh
18:12 VanessaE minetest.set_node(up(pos,1), { name = "castle_rts:wall" })
18:12 rubenwardy I tried minetest.set_node(up(pos,1)​,{node:"castle_rts:wall"})
18:12 rubenwardy :P
18:12 VanessaE assuming the up() call works with a pos{} table
18:13 rubenwardy I just copies the table, and y+=dist
18:13 VanessaE ok
18:13 VanessaE so yeah
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18:28 sfan5 lolwat: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21916​431/c-how-can-i-append-an-int-to-an-int
18:35 STHGOM -ChanServ- [#minetest] Welcome to Minetest IRC | English channel: #minetest | Willkommen. Deutscher Kanal: #minetest-de | Bienvenido. Canal en español: ##minetest-es
18:36 STHGOM why isn't this in the topic?
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18:39 sfan5 STHGOM: ChanServ tells you
18:40 sfan5 what do you want more?
18:41 STHGOM he tells me every time
18:42 john_minetest You might be interested in it every time you join
18:42 sfan5 and not everyone reads the topic
18:42 sfan5 new messages popping up are more likely to be read
18:42 STHGOM hm
18:43 STHGOM he should say "READ THE **** TOPIC!!!"
18:44 reactor Clients do display the topic on join.
18:44 STHGOM bye
18:44 STHGOM whatever
18:45 reactor So me neither see the point in that.
18:47 VanessaE sfan5: regarding that stackoverflow link... I feel sorry for the OP, looking at user2864740's answer :)
18:47 VanessaE poor guy got 1000x as much math as he put into the question ;)
18:48 Jordach VanessaE, tostring(x) tostring(y) result = x..y print (result)
18:48 Jordach lua'd
18:48 Jordach insert \n as needed
18:48 VanessaE Jordach: "2. Convert the integers to strings, concatenate the strings, and convert the string back to an integer."
18:48 Jordach VanessaE, that isn't nessescary
18:48 VanessaE ninja'd.  7 mins ago :P
18:48 Jordach he's asking for the two numbers to be joined together
18:49 Jordach you can always tonumber(result) then print (result)
18:49 VanessaE indeed, but he didn't say if he needed the result to be treated as an integer or not.
18:49 Jordach not fucking difficult :P
18:50 VanessaE nevertheless, that's just about the stupidest question I've ever seen posed on SO in...forever :P
18:51 * sfan5 puts Jordach into sin()
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18:53 Jordach sfan5, like my Vista themed KDE? http://i.imgur.com/X5lkyaI.png (first wallpaper found in my /home/)
18:53 sfan5 eww
18:53 sfan5 vista
18:53 sfan5 not only vista is shit
18:53 sfan5 but it's design is too
18:53 Jordach Vista looked good - but didn't work
18:54 reactor Oh come on. Candy buttons are shit.
18:54 * Jordach plays spotify:user:sfan5:starred on shuffle
18:55 Jordach wubwubwub
18:55 * sfan5 transforms MinetestBot into a Intel Core i5 and thorws her at Jordach
18:55 sfan5 throws*
18:55 Jordach sfan5, LGA 775
18:55 Jordach Pentium D is the max for my Mobo
18:56 * sfan5 transforms ShadowBot into an Intel mainboard and throws it at Jordach
18:56 Jordach yes, my computer will take a D
18:56 sfan5 it wants the D
18:56 Jordach 600 years FTW
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19:10 w_laenger http://is.gd/ve73P6
19:10 sfan5 !title
19:10 MinetestBot sfan5: Tim and Eric Awesome Show Great Job!: I Sit On You - YouTube
19:12 w_laenger http://is.gd/u10mBY http://is.gd/jfRskj
19:12 sfan5 !title
19:12 MinetestBot sfan5: X-Men Origins: Cyclops Cat - YouTube
19:12 w_laenger watch this if you are bored
19:12 w_laenger these*
19:13 sfan5 please stop using unnecessary short links
19:13 w_laenger ok, I thougth it would be better to have less text
19:16 Topic for #minetest is now 0.4.9 is released! | Website: http://minetest.net | Rules: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | Core Devs: #minetest-dev | Servers: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | IRC stats: http://sfan5.dyndns.org/ircstats/minetest.html | No link shorteners allowed.
19:16 Jordach better?
19:17 sfan5 no
19:17 w_laenger I don't feel a difference.
19:17 sfan5 link shorteners are not disallowed
19:17 sfan5 their use are 'just' discouraged
19:17 sfan5 is*
19:18 Topic for #minetest is now 0.4.9 is released! | Website: http://minetest.net | Rules: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | Core Devs: #minetest-dev | Servers: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | IRC stats: http://sfan5.dyndns.org/ircstats/minetest.html | Link shorteners are discouraged.
19:18 w_laenger it's boring to read the links?
19:18 Jordach we prefer to see what we get
19:19 w_laenger Now I feel the difference
19:22 Megaf VanessaE: Hi, couldnt you write a INSTALL.,d for HDX textures?
19:23 Megaf INSTALL.md*
19:24 w_laenger !title http://ubuntuone.com/2HOmYunGmLzh9DxXfK3UGe
19:24 MinetestBot w_laenger: Document isn't HTML
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19:26 VanessaE Megaf: why?
19:26 VanessaE copy the folder to ~/.minetest/textures
19:26 VanessaE done.
19:27 rubenwardy How do you tell in the formspec call back if the user has pressed esc?
19:27 rubenwardy ie: closed it without pressing a button
19:28 Megaf VanessaE: And how di I apply it/select it?
19:28 VanessaE w_laenger: url shorteners hide the actual site name.  how do I know that clicking a bit.ly link won't take me to a goat.se image?
19:28 VanessaE Megaf:  main menu, "Texture Packs" tab
19:29 w_laenger I think you're right with this
19:29 VanessaE (or goat.cx or whatever the site was)
19:29 Megaf oh, I see, thanks
19:29 w_laenger It took a few seconds until they realized that the screenshots were not from mc.
19:30 VanessaE meanwhile for the squeamish, the previous link is a screenshot of a jungle/swamp, looks like something from the minetest "sumpf" mod.
19:30 w_laenger Yes
19:30 w_laenger I showed it at #minecraft
19:31 rubenwardy Found it. fields.quit == true
19:31 w_laenger only the link
19:32 PilzAdam topic of the day: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=130581#p130581
19:33 VanessaE ohh brother.
19:33 VanessaE drop that thing right in the trash
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19:37 w_laenger ok, no shortened links
19:37 w_laenger https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/3192173/222​2488/52cc8570-9a66-11e3-807c-9cad8c683b1b.png
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19:39 w_laenger is it possible to unpublish/remove such a github file without asking someone like an admin?
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19:40 VanessaE probably needs a github admin.
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19:41 w_laenger why aren't the files stored into a hidden repository of the user?
19:42 Megaf we should redirect minetest.com to minetest.net...
19:43 w_laenger I hope it's not too long
19:43 w_laenger sth from wikipedia
19:43 w_laenger Git-logo.svg Git logo Git session.png  A command line session showing repository creation, and addition of a file and remote synchronization Original author(s) Linus Torvalds
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19:46 rubenwardy What is the best (most used) mod that adds a better inventory
19:46 rubenwardy ?
19:46 w_laenger what do you call a better inventory?
19:47 w_laenger oo
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19:48 w_laenger "publish file" of ubuntu one stopped working for me
19:48 rubenwardy for example, is inventory plus (https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3100) or unified inventory (https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3933) better?
19:48 rubenwardy or another?
19:49 w_laenger I prefer inventory plus
19:49 w_laenger it is used to add more stuff to the inventory, eg. the craft guide or we gui
19:51 w_laenger I'll play this http://www.runouw.com/games/sm63/popup.php
19:52 w_laenger or here
19:52 w_laenger http://www.runouw.com/games/sm63/sm63game.swf
19:53 w_laenger what does "L is real" mean?
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19:54 w_laenger weird
19:54 w_laenger all my files keep getting removed automatically
19:55 w_laenger is writing this (about other games) allowed here?
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19:56 reactor That means L is very unlike you.
19:56 w_laenger ok
19:57 reactor But if seriously, it most likely means L is not necessarily an integer.
19:57 reactor You familiar with data types?
19:58 w_laenger
19:58 w_laenger I read the sign at the title (video?)
19:59 reactor !title
19:59 MinetestBot reactor: Document isn't HTML
19:59 w_laenger int, float, bool, string, char, u8, s64, ...
19:59 w_laenger !title http://www.runouw.com/games/sm63/popup.php
19:59 MinetestBot w_laenger: Play Super Mario 63
19:59 reactor MinetestBot: you aren't of any use. Please kill yourself.
20:00 * sfan5 gives reactor a kitten
20:00 w_laenger you would need to load the swf file and don't press onto "start"
20:00 * reactor sneezes and blows the nose in the kitten's fur, then passes it back to sfan5. That's a nice handkerchief you have.
20:01 * sfan5 cleans the kitten and gives it a laser
20:01 * w_laenger thinks about gnash
20:02 w_laenger all type wget http://www.runouw.com/games/sm63/sm63game.swf; firefox sm6*
20:03 reactor Firefox is _.
20:03 w_laenger type gnash sm63game.swf
20:03 w_laenger ok
20:03 w_laenger maybe insert a cd Downloads;
20:03 fireglow found a pic of reactor: http://i.imgur.com/13KEBb7.jpg
20:04 reactor Asterisk, a circumflex cucumber of error planet system of eh ampersand asterisk иНЖАЛИД.
20:04 reactor No, thank you.
20:04 reactor Facial hair is outdated.
20:04 reactor Maybe you need to cope with your projection?
20:06 * w_laenger is too lazy to copy teraslogy's L-system trees into a minetest mod
20:06 w_laenger Loading. Please wait...
20:07 w_laenger http://minetest.fensta.bplaced.net/#!page:1,filtertype:Name,filter:Cywalk%20Sam
20:08 w_laenger $sudo shutdown -h now
20:10 reactor sudo.
20:14 john_minetest sudo su
20:14 john_minetest :P
20:14 john_minetest sudo make me a sandwich
20:14 reactor What's the point? Too hard to remember your system's root password?
20:14 Exio4 people would use the same password for root and normal user anyway
20:15 reactor Exio4: that's naive.
20:15 rubenwardy You can now make formspecs for both inventory_plus and unified_inventory in https://github.com/rubenwardy/smartfs
20:15 Exio4 also reactor
20:15 rubenwardy with exactly the same code
20:16 Exio4 proper sudo asks you for root's password or the user you want to "switch to"
20:16 Exio4 if you used it only with its default config
20:16 Exio4 has anyone here l4d2?
20:17 Exio4 legit english
20:17 reactor There is no point in installing sudo, unless you want to outsource some administrative tasks to other users.
20:21 Megaf One thing I dont like in unified_inventory is that it will work as a creative inventory if you are the server admin
20:21 Megaf I dont want a creative thing, I want to know crafting recipes
20:25 reactor Exio4: I've _seen_ it.
20:26 domtron I thought sudo does some sanity checking as apposed to just running commands as root... even if it doesn't it does add an extra bit of protection so you don't accidentally mess up the system.
20:26 reactor By default, it asks your password for administrative tasks (WHAT?!).
20:27 reactor If your password gets exposed, they get access to your administrative privileges, too.
20:27 reactor So the attacker will not oly be able to mess up your account, but the whole system.
20:27 reactor s/oly/only/
20:28 Megaf I want to go home to test VanessaE's texture pack!
20:29 reactor I wanna go home, take off this uniform and leave the show!
20:29 sfan5 reactor, domtron: sudo can be configured to only allow a specific command like tar to e.g. allow people to make backups
20:29 reactor Yes. I you need it.
20:29 reactor s/I/If/
20:30 reactor If you don't, why mess with sudo?
20:31 reactor As mentioned above, some systems come with misconfigured sudo.
20:31 ShadowNinja sfan5: But link shorteners are great for 500+ character links.
20:32 sfan5 ShadowNinja: youtube links are usually not >500 chars
20:32 ShadowNinja sfan5: The topic doen't mention that it inly applies to youtube links.
20:33 reactor Link shorteners are also a good way of fooling people who don't use proper filtering to see what can not be unseen.
20:33 Topic for #minetest is now 0.4.9 is released! | Website: http://minetest.net | Rules: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | Core Devs: #minetest-dev | Servers: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | IRC stats: http://sfan5.dyndns.org/ircstats/minetest.html | Link shorteners are discouraged for URLs that are not long.
20:33 ShadowNinja Why the mini op party?
20:34 sfan5 dunno
20:36 ShadowNinja Hmmm, what do you think about voicing staff? (ops, admins, mods, and devs)
20:36 sfan5 not a bad ida
20:36 sfan5 idea*
20:36 sfan5 but why?
20:37 ShadowNinja Users know who is knowledgable about Minetest.
20:37 ShadowNinja (Or a subset at least)
20:38 Megaf sfan5: isnt servers.minetest.net better than minetest.net/servers?
20:38 sfan5 it's the same
20:39 Megaf at leaset server.minetest fits
20:39 proller first have more info
20:39 Megaf least*
20:42 twoelk sfan5: you do some of those stats reports, dont you?
20:42 sfan5 yes
20:43 twoelk could you do one that compares the usage of mods on the servers?
20:43 sfan5 uh
20:43 sfan5 sure
20:43 twoelk like most used or such
20:44 reactor Hmm.
20:44 twoelk maybe there are also relations between stabilty, popularity and mod usage
20:45 reactor the "supplied wrong password" and such messages don't tell the source IP.
20:45 reactor :(
20:46 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=130588#p130588
20:46 Jordach http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/incident.png
20:46 Jordach reactor, ^
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20:47 reactor Heh.
20:48 phantombeta Hi
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22:09 domtron where are worlds stored for a local build... because I was sure it was in the mintest/worlds folder but that seems to be missing O.o
22:10 PilzAdam "local build"?
22:11 domtron not using "make install"
22:11 PilzAdam you  have to compile with cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1
22:12 PilzAdam just not running make install isnt enough
22:12 domtron huh... I've been using it fine and I just ran cmake . && make && ./bin/minetest
22:13 PilzAdam your world is probably in ~/.minetest/worlds/
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22:15 domtron yep there it is. The readme said installed versions save to "$user/worlds/"
22:16 PilzAdam the readme also says that you have to run cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1  if you dont want to install ;-)
22:16 domtron it is strange. I'm sure I have seen worlds in the minetest/worlds folder.
22:18 domtron so it does, but up till now I haven't had a problem. Anyway, thank you.
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22:37 us_0gb It's missing hours? Unacceptable! I say we fire it.
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