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00:41 JesseH2 I sorta feel like playing some mt :P
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01:11 fireglow is there a mod that'll disable the wearing down of tools?
01:11 eraldev Hi
01:12 fireglow hi
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01:20 ShadowNinja fireglow: You could make one, or use infinitytools, or just use creative.
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01:51 Gatharoth Ello all
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03:05 hoodedice What is the syntax for 'if, then, else...' in lua?
03:06 hoodedice I'm using lua to write simple pseudo-code for another language
03:06 hoodedice I need the contraction thingy in Notepad++ to work properly, but it just contracts all of the nested if statements
03:09 hoodedice I just need to be able to seperate nested schist from the parent schist
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03:13 JesseH ShadowNinja, Sup
03:13 hoodedice Hello.
03:13 hoodedice Oh, not me?
03:14 hoodedice Oh, ok...
03:14 * hoodedice ducks
03:15 hoodedice I think I'll write a tutorial for modding in minetest from a non-programmer perspective
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03:19 ShadowNinja Hey, JesseH!
03:21 ShadowNinja hoodedice: The syntax is "if <condition> then <commands> elseif <condition2> then <commands2> else <commands3> end"
03:23 hoodedice Thanks ShadowNinja
03:23 JesseH ShadowNinja, you gotta server up?
03:24 ShadowNinja YW.
03:24 ShadowNinja JesseH: Yep.
03:24 JesseH Wanna play? ;D
03:25 ShadowNinja JesseH: Not now.  Perhaps on a different day.
03:26 JesseH Okay
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03:51 cg72 ?
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04:59 hoodedice W00000T
05:00 hoodedice ShadowNinja: Thanks again, man - finished assignment one minute short of deadline
05:01 ShadowNinja hoodedice: NP, glad you made it.  :-)
05:01 hoodedice That moment when you've coded so hard, you use Tabs in browser to indent XD
05:29 ShadowNinja I often try tabs, but few sites work properly with them.
05:29 ShadowNinja (gist does, ubuntu pastebin doesn't)
05:32 ShadowNinja Lua feels so easy after messing with C(++) and getting tons of inexplicable segfaults.  :-)
05:33 ShadowNinja But you don't get the feeling of finally fixing everything and getting valgrind to run with no warnings.  :-|
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06:24 sfan5 lol
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07:06 eraldev /help
07:06 kahrl Unable to find help file or language DLL for language specified.
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08:25 reactor Hello everyrobot.
08:26 Adarqet-Doge Robot?
08:26 eraldev Hi
08:27 Adarqet-Doge Hello!
08:27 eraldev Rooobot
08:28 Adarqet-Doge Robot?
08:28 eraldev You seat in irc via mobile?
08:28 Adarqet-Doge What eraldev?
08:29 reactor eraldev: Google Translate eh?
08:29 * Adarqet-Doge is confused
08:30 * eraldev 123
08:30 reactor щщщ.
08:30 eraldev //me d
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11:16 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:16 reactor 'elo
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11:37 iqualfragile hi PilzAdam
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12:19 Megaf Good MorningAfternoonEvening everyone
12:20 reactor Good [SUBJECT'S TIME OF THE DAY HERE]
12:22 Adarqet-Phone Hello!
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12:23 Jordach hey Adarqet-Phone
12:24 Adarqet-Phone Hello!
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12:28 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/WZUgdey.png
12:28 Jordach :>
12:29 Megaf Ok
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12:41 Jordach dafuq
12:41 Jordach xrender works with all the KDE eye candy
12:41 Jordach yet OGL doesn't
12:42 reactor Too much eye candy causes eye cancer.
12:42 Jordach plol
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12:46 Jordach quassel's style sheet didn't wanna update...
12:47 Jordach yellow links look like shit on a white BG
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12:49 fireglow Is there a way to init a new mod without restarting the server?
12:50 reactor init 1
12:50 PilzAdam fireglow, no
12:50 reactor Oops, wrong window.
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12:51 Jordach PilzAdam, Y U no use Quassel?
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12:52 PilzAdam is the time to set it up worth it?
12:53 Jordach yes
12:53 Jordach sudo apt-get install quassel
12:53 Jordach as it's bundled with kubuntu....
12:55 Megaf man, NTFS is really good
12:55 Megaf pretty damn good
12:55 Megaf in getting totally fragmented
12:56 Jordach no shit
12:56 PilzAdam Jordach, that command is not enough to set it up
12:56 Jordach eh
12:56 * Megaf is using WeeChat (ncurses)
12:56 reactor Megaf: y u no use UFS?
12:57 Jordach it worked for me
12:57 Megaf reactor: It's Windows XP here, I'm at my workplace
12:57 Jordach >XP >2014
12:57 PilzAdam I need to at least add 1) automatic channel / network joins 2) sasl 3) GUI
12:57 Megaf It's some kind of travel back in time
12:57 PilzAdam s/add/configure/
12:57 Jordach PilzAdam, it supports the lot
12:57 Megaf Pentium 4 CPUs, 2 GB of Ram and Windows XP
12:57 Megaf nostalgia
12:58 PilzAdam Jordach, it would take at least an hour to do all that
12:58 reactor BSD or Linux would run well on that.
12:58 PilzAdam Jordach, what functions does it support that xchat doesnt?
12:59 Jordach PilzAdam, hover over a link to see the contents, infinite scrollback, support for any KDE theme, can't be buffer overflowed like xchat
13:03 Megaf PilzAdam: XChat = Modern, Quassel = Contemprany (I dont know how to spell that)
13:03 reactor And both are shit.
13:04 Jordach shuddup i'mpissi
13:05 PilzAdam Jordach, I dont need any of these functions
13:05 PilzAdam or at least, they are not worth the setup time
13:13 sfan5 meow
13:13 sfan5 hi everyone
13:13 reactor *sneeze*
13:13 reactor 'elo.
13:14 PenguinDad hi sfan5
13:16 * sfan5 gives Jordach a kitten
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13:38 Jordach hah
13:38 reactor Kitten smuggling.
13:40 * sfan5 puts a kitten on reactor's head
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13:42 * reactor puts a reactor on the kitten's head
13:43 reactor Wait, I have a better idea.
13:43 * reactor puts a sfan5 on kitten's head
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13:43 reactor Okay?
13:43 sfan5 mhm
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13:53 Jordach whiskers75, thx for the bot pass
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15:00 Jordach lol
15:00 Jordach i've gone too far
15:00 Jordach if i can apply the instagram effect on a render, we're all screwed
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15:26 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3dXNi6KP64
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15:33 Jordach shit
15:33 Jordach just made the instagram effect without realising it
15:36 STHGOM good for you
15:36 STHGOM ...what is the instigram effect?
15:37 PenguinDad over saturated colours and slightly darker
15:39 reactor Why so?
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15:46 Gatharoth Ello all
15:49 Jordach reactor, i played with blender's compositing nodes
15:50 reactor No, I mean, why does instagram effect do that?
15:50 Jordach because Polaroid camera from the 80s were always over saturated
15:50 Jordach simply because they printed the image directly
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16:03 Sokomine has anyone ever used zlib decompression/deflate with lua? is there a preferrable/recommended lib for that?
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16:33 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=130698#p130698
16:33 PilzAdam > VanessaE doesnt know how to use bbcode
16:33 VanessaE no, I just don't care.
16:33 VanessaE > > > is less typing than [quote][/quote] [quote][/quote] [quote][/quote]
16:34 PilzAdam inb4 quick quote
16:34 VanessaE inb4 less deleting.
16:34 PilzAdam deleting?
16:34 VanessaE Like I said, I just didn't care.
16:38 Sokomine oh yes. the good old >. i like that
16:39 Sokomine i'd also love a forum to news gateway. forums and browsers are not as comftable as the good old usenet used to be
16:40 reactor Sokomine++;
16:40 reactor Mailing lists are a more UNIX-user-friendly way.
16:41 Sokomine can we get the forum as a mailing list? :)
16:42 reactor There must be kind-of-gateways. I've seen mailing list archives being accesssible as forums.
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16:51 Sokomine except that we need the other way around...
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16:52 Jordach ello paramat
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16:53 paramat o/
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17:02 paramat http://i.imgur.com/1ZxN3Xc.png noise23 mod, mapgen framework / example using the lua voxel manipulator with 2D and 3D noises https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8628
17:03 Saxony Anyone know when celeron was last on?
17:04 Jordach Saxony, ah
17:04 Jordach he doesn't idle here
17:04 Saxony dev channel?
17:04 Jordach don't even bother with -dev as webchat clients are silenced
17:04 Saxony i can bust out my actual client
17:05 Jordach if it's forum related, ask me
17:05 Saxony just wanted a quick chat to see if i could get his skype/email
17:05 Saxony nah
17:05 Saxony Wanted to see if he wanted to buy Minetest.com & wiki
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17:05 Jordach we've already got clones of that palce now
17:05 Saxony Yeah
17:05 Saxony I know
17:06 Saxony I have no problem keeping it, it's making me money for nothing. Just wanted to see if he'd make me an offer considering I'm still #1 on google for many Minetest searches
17:07 Jordach Saxony, donate it - that's an easier method
17:07 Saxony Why donate?
17:07 Jordach donations go straight to him
17:08 Exio4 do you want to charge for a domain... for an opensource project?
17:08 Saxony If he won't buy it I'll either just leave it and keep the money from ads or sell it to someone else who will promote it further. There is still plenty money to be made there
17:09 Jordach Saxony, i pm'd you his paypal address
17:09 Saxony Why give something away that is making me money for no effort? :P
17:09 Saxony thanks
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18:10 rubenwardy Hi all!
18:10 VanessaE hi
18:17 Leoneof hi
18:17 Leoneof why i'm here?
18:18 Exio4 why not
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18:27 VanessaE here is as good a place to be as anywhere else
18:34 Exio4 nah, i would say better
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19:07 _Zeus I was going to ask you people why minetest was better then any other game, but it's apparently crap. The chunk loading was slow when I actually tried to join a server, the gameplay isnt great, and then there's this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4039
19:07 _Zeus Plus the mod API is LUA
19:09 VanessaE crap?
19:10 VanessaE ok first thing's first:
19:10 VanessaE forget the ragequitters.
19:10 VanessaE they're just asses.
19:10 VanessaE every game out there has them.
19:12 VanessaE second, we have LuaJIT, which compiles the Lua code.
19:12 VanessaE the result is about as fast as the native C++ engine for a lot of stuff.  where it is slow usually comes down to poor coding skills or the API itself lacking some speed-critical function that can't be done well in Lua.
19:12 _Zeus That doesnt make LUA not suck.
19:13 _Zeus Im not talking about speed.
19:13 VanessaE if a server is slow at loading chunks, it's because that server is on a slow network.
19:13 _Zeus LUA just I do not like
19:13 VanessaE so?
19:13 Jordach compare that to other libs where you need compiled libs for File I/O, time, network management
19:13 VanessaE you're not the one running the code :)
19:13 VanessaE the server runs the code, not the client
19:13 pitriss _Zeus: Api is sufficient to do most needed things with game..
19:13 VanessaE so it doesn't matter, from the client's perspective, if the server runs Lua, Ruby, C++, Python, or BASIC for that matter.
19:14 VanessaE If the gameplay isn't great, try another server - each server has its own style.
19:14 VanessaE each server has their own game, their own set of mods, etc.
19:15 VanessaE I run 6 of them, myself.
19:15 * whiskers75 hugs VanessaE
19:16 VanessaE one has Realtest, one Nostalgia, two are extremely heavily modded minetest_game (what I call "my" game really at this point), one is nearly pure vanilla minetest_game, and one is an experimental thing that's not so much a game as a mapgen testing ground that morphed into a worl that people started building on.
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19:16 pitriss VanessaE: We appreciate your efforts;)
19:16 VanessaE thanks pitriss :)
19:16 VanessaE but my point is that each server is utterly different.
19:17 VanessaE Realtest is about as ridiculously different from "minetest" as you can get, really
19:17 pitriss VanessaE: BTW realtest is great idea but it have some flaws.. Too many unused ores for example.. :)
19:17 VanessaE Nostalgia is a more-or-less accurate recreation of what 0.3.x was like before darkrose picked it up and kept that branch going (she's done wonderful things with it)
19:18 VanessaE my game expands on minetest_game by adding pretty much everything under the sun that someone should ever want to build with on a normal basis, machines, electronics, food, etc.  you name it, it's probably there.
19:19 VanessaE "almost" vanilla is for folks who want a simple game.
19:20 VanessaE none of them have PVP or fire enabled, things like a nether mod, for example, because I see no use of that, nor of things like "aether" or any kind of "the end" type of mod, etc.
19:20 PenguinDad or for people with slow internet connections like me
19:20 VanessaE pitriss: yeah I know.  I think sda97 and DanD had intended to continue expanding the game past "black iron" and into a more modern age
19:21 pitriss VanessaE: and I bet RealTest rewamped will have way more players (even at current WIP state) with better documentation..
19:22 VanessaE pitriss: indeed so
19:22 VanessaE but I don't perceive of that documentation happening any time soon
19:22 rubenwardy ha
19:22 VanessaE DanD left rather loudly.  He has since sorta come back, but I don't see him getting much into this anynore.
19:22 VanessaE anymore*
19:23 VanessaE _Zeus: any more questions? :P
19:23 _Zeus Eh, well, I might actually stick around. See if somebody makes a non LUA implementation of the modding API. I really dont play games anymore, I just find ones and code on them.
19:23 rubenwardy Lua's syntax is quite bad. I prefer JS.
19:23 _Zeus I'd make one but it sounds painful currently.
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19:23 john_minetest Hi
19:23 _Zeus Unless I wanted to make a game wrapper.
19:24 pitriss VanessaE: we building czech one.. currently it is bunch of notes linked together.. If it grows into usable state, we maybe translate it to EN and put on wikia or some similar wiki provider:)
19:25 VanessaE _Zeus: I don't expect there will be a non-Lua API, however it is possible to code add-ons in C++ or so.  See the IRC mod for example
19:25 _Zeus It still seems painful.
19:25 _Zeus There is no way I am coding in LUA
19:25 _Zeus And as I said I only really "play" to make mods/plugins depending apon the game
19:25 VanessaE just don't suggest javascript
19:25 VanessaE NO one and I mean NO ONE will accept that :)
19:26 Calinou lua syntax is quite cool
19:26 _Zeus I'd prefer a windows batch ping system to LUA xP
19:26 VanessaE do a google search for "lamefun" and "javascript" and you should find some results that explain why I say that :)
19:26 PenguinDad and i think ruby won't be accepted either :P
19:26 _Zeus no, not javascript
19:26 Calinou praise javascript!
19:26 _Zeus Lol penguin.
19:27 Calinou the language will not be changed anyway
19:27 _Zeus YES RUBY DO RUBY YES YES
19:27 VanessaE Calinou: byte your tongue :P
19:27 Calinou "(she's done wonderful things with it)" the power of the reactionary
19:27 _Zeus Personally, I think plain old C, C++, or C# would do nicely.
19:27 Calinou _Zeus, you sound like Berlusconi when saying that :P
19:27 Calinou C#: no thanks
19:28 Calinou C++/C: you can use them under some circumstances, but do so only when needed
19:28 rubenwardy Ruby is worse than lua
19:28 VanessaE C or C++ would possibly be accepted, maybe.
19:28 VanessaE but C# or batch will never be.
19:28 _Zeus C# DOES have it's issues
19:28 rubenwardy (minus the whole 1 index thing)
19:28 VanessaE whatever it is has to be cross-platform.
19:28 _Zeus I was kidding about batch >.>
19:28 _Zeus And C# wouldnt really work
19:28 VanessaE ok :)
19:28 _Zeus I knew that already
19:28 _Zeus C and C++ are painful
19:28 Calinou Java is way better at crossplatform
19:28 Calinou so use Lua
19:28 VanessaE _Zeus: well you never know
19:28 rubenwardy I vote Javascript!
19:28 Calinou it doesn't hurt to learn a new language
19:28 Calinou you won't forget your previous languages
19:28 VanessaE we've had some incredibly insane-sounding suggestions here!
19:29 _Zeus And java isnt really the best, and would be impossible to implement anyway
19:29 rubenwardy How about brainfuck?
19:29 rubenwardy !g brainfuck
19:29 MinetestBot rubenwardy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck
19:29 _Zeus I tried implementing java from other languages. It's impossible.
19:29 VanessaE rubenwardy: and I vote you go suck an egg :)
19:29 * rubenwardy puts a kitten on VanessaE's head
19:29 * VanessaE puts the kitten in OldCoder's pile
19:30 _Zeus Hmm, brainfuck looks good
19:30 _Zeus Easier then implementing java by a long shot
19:30 VanessaE haha
19:30 PenguinDad the syntax isn't complex but ...
19:30 VanessaE didn't someone write a brainfuck interpreter as a mod somewhere?
19:31 _Zeus Let's make it read assembly.
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19:31 _Zeus Comparison of C and assembly:
19:31 VanessaE there's already a z80 interpreter somewhere too I think
19:31 VanessaE and I know there's one that does FORTH also
19:31 * VanessaE pokes RealBadAngel
19:31 VanessaE link please?
19:31 VanessaE was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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19:32 rubenwardy lol
19:32 VanessaE there, now the bot will ignore me.
19:32 _Zeus C has the great speed of assembly and the simplicity to use of assembly too!
19:32 rubenwardy LOL
19:32 rubenwardy 2LOL!
19:32 rubenwardy 4LOL!
19:32 PenguinDad VanessaE: you got pwned by ShadowBot xD
19:32 VanessaE RealBadAngel: you got a link to that FORTH computer you did?  and didn't it do Z80 assembly also?
19:33 Jordach VanessaE, nore made the FORTH machuine
19:33 VanessaE ah right
19:33 VanessaE why can't I remember this shit?
19:33 OldCoder Hi
19:33 _Zeus Guys, pick a random number between 1 and 300
19:33 Calinou C is slower than assembly, usually
19:33 Calinou _Zeus, 299
19:33 * Jordach jams some more C64 RAM into VanessaE
19:33 Calinou alternative: open a Cube-based game, type /echo (rnd 300)
19:33 OldCoder _Zeus, Malborge is interesting
19:33 _Zeus Okay, now time to find the 299th language on this list... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​List_of_programming_languages
19:33 Jordach ~1d300
19:34 * rubenwardy defenestrates test
19:34 Jordach ~dice 1d300
19:34 * rubenwardy defenestrates test's cat
19:34 * rubenwardy defenestrates test
19:34 _Zeus Well
19:34 * OldCoder will return in an hour
19:34 ShadowBot Jordach: Error: Dice can't have more than 100 sides.
19:34 _Zeus second to last
19:34 rubenwardy lol
19:34 _Zeus that was an estimate
19:34 _Zeus so.
19:34 Jordach bull can dice not have more than 300 sides
19:34 _Zeus WE MUST IMPLEMENT ZOPL
19:34 _Zeus ... whatever that is.
19:34 * rubenwardy defenestrates test
19:34 * rubenwardy defenestrates test's cat
19:34 rubenwardy 4Yay!
19:34 john_minetest :3
19:35 john_minetest :€
19:35 john_minetest lol
19:35 john_minetest ###################################greee​een####################################
19:35 _Zeus Zopl: Same speed as C, same complexity as C, and even LESS tutorials!
19:35 MinetestBot 4E4w4w7,7 7J8a8v8a3S3c3ript6.6.6.
19:35 * rubenwardy defenestrates MinetestBot
19:35 rubenwardy JS > Lua
19:35 john_minetest Where was defenestration again?
19:35 john_minetest Wien?
19:36 VanessaE at any rate...
19:36 MinetestBot I'm calling bullshit on that one/
19:36 _Zeus Okay, screw it. There are NO GOOD LANGUAGES.
19:36 _Zeus MAKE OUR OWN
19:36 _Zeus *codes for 3 years*
19:36 john_minetest Prague
19:36 khonkhortisan conlanger ^
19:36 _Zeus Oh shit... thats LUA...
19:36 ShadowNinja _Zeus: A C(++) or Python API might be acceptable.  But Lua works quite well.
19:36 john_minetest Dlang is a nice language
19:37 ShadowNinja Someone'll have to maintain it though.
19:38 Jordach then who's going to compile C++ on windows...
19:38 rubenwardy I can now right click a user's name in HexChat, and defenestrate them from the context menu.
19:38 * khonkhortisan deops VE
19:39 Jordach there are only a few people here who have chanserv access
19:39 _Zeus Side note: Everybody must read this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/234​075/what-is-your-best-programmer-joke
19:39 VanessaE there. :P
19:40 Jordach dammit
19:40 * khonkhortisan voices... meh, joke already landed
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19:41 Jordach http://stackoverflow.com/a/234138
19:41 ShadowNinja Jordach: There are at least seven here.
19:41 _Zeus [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && rm -rf / || echo *Click* <--- Paste into command prompt and see what happens
19:41 whiskers75 lol
19:41 whiskers75 do not
19:42 rubenwardy "Saying that Java is nice because it works on every OS is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on every gender."   :O
19:42 khonkhortisan _Zeus, type into bash :(){:|:&};:
19:43 VanessaE interesting take on russian roulette, zeus...
19:43 john_minetest khonkhortisan: It will produce smilies. Wow.
19:43 _Zeus "If the box says, "This software requires Windows XP or better," does that mean it'll run on linux?"
19:44 khonkhortisan HAHAHA
19:44 khonkhortisan [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && echo "Bang you're dead" || echo *Click*
19:44 khonkhortisan Bang you're dead
19:44 john_minetest They use an other definition of "better". They use "better" as a synonym of "more expensive".
19:44 khonkhortisan I'm so glad I didn't run the original command
19:45 khonkhortisan XP is old enough to be supported pretty well in wine
19:46 PenguinDad khonkhortisan: "bash: Syntaxfehler beim unerwarteten Wort `{:'"
19:47 _Zeus http://stackoverflow.com/a/958411/3029520
19:48 khonkhortisan That's supposed to be a fork bomb, requiring a ulimit to prevent.
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19:49 Garmine ohai!
19:49 _Zeus http://stackoverflow.com/a/537740/3029520
19:51 PenguinDad khonkhortisan: i know that
19:51 _Zeus "It's been said that if you play a windows CD backwards, you'll hear satanic chanting...worse still if you play it forwards, it installs windows."
19:52 _Zeus This is the one I brought that up looking for: http://i.imgur.com/hF6mS.jpg
19:53 khonkhortisan I like the train one
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19:58 _Zeus Actually though....
19:58 _Zeus Ruby looks like a good language to implement
19:58 _Zeus I havent messed with it much but its clearly much simpler then the other languages
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20:02 domtron https://wiki.theory.org/YourLanguageSucks
20:02 domtron !title
20:02 MinetestBot domtron: YourLanguageSucks - Theory.org Wiki
20:03 pitriss _Zeus: I don't agree.. maintaining two versions of API will be much more difficult than maintainung only already existing LUA one. And I'm not LUA fan. I like ruby but I don't want to harm this project and waste time of core devs.
20:04 _Zeus You really thought I typed that with a streight face?
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20:12 domtron I think Lua is good for modding because of it's simplicity and speed (even if it's syntax is bad). Anyway, since everyone complains about the syntax could we build a simple syntax wrapper ontop of LuaJIT to fix that? Or we could use Lisp... :P
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20:13 domtron meh, I'm to slow. I have school work to do anyway >.>
20:14 pitriss Syntax is good.. I hate nonstandard things on lua.. they reinvented wheel many times..
20:15 pitriss why the hell they used ~= instead more standard !=, why they doesn't used some existing implementation of regexes instead their patterns?
20:16 pitriss and indexing from 1 is just last nail to coffin.:)
20:17 domtron but since arrays are just tables with numeric keys you can use 0 as the first item right?
20:18 VanessaE yes.
20:18 pitriss But those lua patterns.. somebody should kill author for that.. why the heck i need learn the same thing as PCRE (which i know really good) just for one stupid language
20:18 VanessaE they just default to index-from-1 is all, I believe,
20:18 pitriss yes but default is 1
20:18 VanessaE now, the != versus ~= was just plain stupid :)
20:18 VanessaE that one drives me nuts.
20:18 pitriss VanessaE: ruby uses =~ for regex matching
20:19 VanessaE well ruby is stupid too :)
20:20 pitriss ruby is good =~/regex/ in if is cool.:)
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20:26 JesseH Use lisp over Lua?
20:26 JesseH Man, that is a smart idea.
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20:27 JesseH Yeah, let's replace Lua in minetest with scheme.
20:27 Jordach BASH!
20:27 JesseH domtron, I'm going to refrain from expressing how angry your statement made me, and instead focus on your lisp idea.
20:28 JesseH It would be interesting to write a lisp-to-lua compiler in Lua. Probably would be a fun project and I'm down to help with that.
20:29 JesseH In general, shitty lua programmers are going to write shitty looking lua code...
20:29 JesseH Not always the case, but more often than not.
20:29 JesseH Other than that I don't see the issue. :D
20:29 Jordach bullshit
20:30 JesseH Get over ~= vs != it's one character length.
20:30 JesseH Get over 1 indexing.
20:30 JesseH I agree on the patterns, sorta
20:30 JesseH Jordach, bullshit to which statement, friend? :D
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20:31 JesseH You can do a = {}; a[0] = 1;
20:31 JesseH You can keep your shitty zero.
20:31 Jordach JesseH, https://gist.github.com/Jo​rdach/88390540522eb1812f59
20:32 JesseH Point?
20:32 JesseH That's 200 lines of globals
20:32 domtron JesseH: but I am slow and I do have school work... why would either of those make you mad. :P
20:32 JesseH ;P
20:33 JesseH domtron, I'm sorry, just being pissy. You didn't make me mad. :P
20:33 JesseH I  wan't to debate dammit
20:35 domtron >.>
20:35 domtron <.<
20:35 domtron http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/bre​akthroughs/synthetic-muscle-made-of-fishing-line-i​s-100-times-stronger-than-the-real-thing-16514805
20:35 domtron !title
20:35 MinetestBot domtron: Synthetic Muscle Made of Fishing Line is 100 Times Stronger Than the Real Thing - Popular Mechanics
20:35 JesseH +1 for the look both ways thing
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21:04 PilzAdam D: sfan5 copied most stuff from me: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=130740#p130740
21:04 sfan5 lazyness FTW
21:04 PilzAdam "Root stuff: sudo"
21:04 sfan5 that is kinda pointless
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21:10 sfan5 john_minetest: http://i.imgur.com/A6Pw3Cf.jpg
21:10 sfan5 http://i.imgur.com/vADB7Wn.jpg
21:11 * LazyJ is away: I'm away
21:11 john_minetest sfan5: http://imgur.com/gallery/zAuxnTw
21:11 sfan5 LazyJ: please don't do this with automatic scripts
21:11 john_minetest http://24.media.tumblr.com/cffec2c15c5b59a100ff​db5154ca9fe0/tumblr_mndrs3v8TH1r3gb3zo1_400.gif
21:12 * sfan5 puts a kitten on john_minetest's head
21:12 Jordach fuck YEAH
21:12 Jordach ahhh
21:12 Jordach >mouth ulcer >ice cream
21:12 * john_minetest puts a kitten on sfan5's head
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21:15 sdzen https://minetestmods.weebly.com/​store/c1/Featured_Products.html
21:15 sdzen anyone else hear of and/or slightly troubled by this?
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21:16 sfan5 sdzen: lolwat, that is insame
21:16 sfan5 insane*
21:16 sdzen I love the 100$ donate button
21:17 cisoun Anyone knows about this guy ?
21:17 john_minetest lol, that is so bad design... srsly, the ones fooled by that crappy website deserve it.
21:17 sdzen https://plus.google.com/u/0/​108734328540410391733/posts
21:17 sdzen this is the guy that was advertising it on the G+ community
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21:19 sfan5 do we even have an offical g+ community?
21:19 Jordach KILL HIM
21:19 sdzen unofficial
21:19 sdzen I maintain it
21:19 sdzen slightly
21:19 sfan5 >
21:19 sfan5 >Official Minetest Community
21:20 Jordach sdzen, i was asked by the -staff to grant me access to the moderation facilities
21:20 Jordach (you can thank ShadowNinja for that)
21:21 sdzen I don't remember when it got changed
21:21 Jordach oi, cisoun
21:21 sdzen I used to keep a massive description on there that was too long to read :P
21:21 cisoun Jordach: o/
21:21 cisoun sdzen we have a G+ community
21:21 Jordach cisoun, you're able to give others moderation access right?
21:21 cisoun Yup.
21:22 Jordach apparently i'm supposed to keep an eye on G+
21:22 cisoun I'm still the owner of the page.
21:22 cisoun And I won't refuse some help
21:22 sfan5 apparently i have a g+ profile and I do not at the same time .-/
21:22 john_minetest Blargh...
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21:23 cisoun Jordach: would you like to be a moderator ?
21:23 cisoun same goes to you sdzen.
21:23 Jordach sure
21:23 sdzen I suppose
21:23 Jordach cisoun, i'm part of minetest-staff
21:23 Jordach >Minetest staff (operators, administrators, moderators, developers) | This channel is invite-only. (staff are exempt)
21:23 sfan5 sdzen: link to official minetest page please
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21:24 cisoun 'k give me a sec.
21:24 cisoun Check your notifications.
21:25 cisoun sfan5: https://plus.google.com/u/​0/b/116830764303517937720
21:26 cisoun mmh wait
21:26 cisoun wrong link
21:26 cisoun https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/1168307​64303517937720/116830764303517937720
21:27 * Jordach has a Mac OS X styled panel
21:34 Jordach lol
21:45 LazyJ sfan5, sorry I missed it.  What am I not supposed to use automatic scripts for?
21:46 PilzAdam LazyJ, away messages
21:46 LazyJ Hmm.. That is a setting in Xchat.
21:46 PilzAdam its an evil setting
21:46 LazyJ Ah
21:47 LazyJ It seemed like a courtesy, especially when folks are checking to see why I stopped responding to them.
21:49 PilzAdam evil things are good in tricking you into thinking that they are good
21:50 LazyJ "What we hold to be true depends greatly upon our point of view."
22:04 sfan5 wut
22:04 sfan5 a tablet for 61 €
22:04 sfan5 http://www.reichelt.de/Tablets/XORO-PAD-721​/3//index.html?ACTION=3&amp;ARTICLE=142079
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22:06 Sokomine that's available even for a lower price here
22:07 Gatharoth sfan5: Ello! Long time :3
22:07 Jordach sfan5, my tablet has the identical body
22:08 sfan5 hm
22:08 sfan5 a tablet for testing minetest wouldn't be bad
22:09 Sokomine it's tempting yes
22:09 specing dont you have a phone?
22:09 specing please don't but ARM shit
22:09 specing you'll regret it
22:09 specing *tablets
22:09 Sokomine although on my phone, mt does consume quite a lot of ram. guess more ram would be better
22:09 sfan5 specing: I have a phone
22:09 sfan5 but it's display is small
22:09 sfan5 uHD resolution
22:10 specing rather buy an x86 convertible with a touchscreen
22:10 specing preferably with an active digitizer
22:11 sfan5 well
22:11 sfan5 I need to test Minetest (for ARM phones)
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22:20 Jordach Evergreen fucked his desktop up
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22:22 Jordach it's alive!
22:24 * sfan5 taps Jordach
22:24 Jordach you should be tapping EvergreenTree, not me
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22:25 * sfan5 taps EvergreenTree
22:33 Sokomine they don't seem to react. perhaps a diamond pick/axe will help :)
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23:12 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=130756#p130756
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23:14 VanessaE and you gave it away... :P
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23:26 EvergreenTree A package I installed broke something, and I had to go into the grub menu and recover
23:26 EvergreenTree It had something to do with drivers
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23:27 VanessaE ouch
23:28 EvergreenTree I'm afraid to restart my computer because it might happen again
23:28 EvergreenTree I hate drivers
23:28 EvergreenTree :P
23:31 drivers I hate passengers
23:37 VanessaE that's unusual
23:38 VanessaE normally drivers aren't affected by random packages except in the case of stuff like virtualbox
23:38 sdzen wooo virtualbox
23:38 sdzen that thing that never works for me
23:39 ShadowNinja sdzen: Can you give full control over the community to the staff collectively?
23:42 sdzen http://i7.minus.com/iAkAKQIIzTvex.png
23:42 sdzen I assume the minetest G+ page is controlled by the staff?
23:42 ShadowNinja Yep, good.  :-)
23:43 sdzen its been a moderator since I made it
23:43 sdzen but do what you like there tiger
23:43 sdzen :D

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