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IRC log for #minetest, 2014-02-19

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01:41 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
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01:47 VanessaE hey grog
01:47 thefamilygrog66 hey V, what's new?
01:47 VanessaE oh, not a whole lot :_)
01:47 VanessaE :)
01:49 thefamilygrog66 I've been darksiding it a fair bit recently, aka playing minecraft pocket edition with my boy on our tablets
01:49 thefamilygrog66 <ducks>
01:49 VanessaE why not try one of the Minetest android builds?
01:50 thefamilygrog66 I didn't know there was a client yet - heard about an android server awhile back.
01:50 VanessaE stu's latest experimental build is here:  https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=130360#p130360
01:50 thefamilygrog66 Cool, I'll check it out
01:51 VanessaE sfan5 and xyz have been working on their builds also.  or get (the illegal port called) Buildcraft if those won't work for you.
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01:51 VanessaE about half of my servers' users use the latter now.
01:51 thefamilygrog66 right on
01:51 thefamilygrog66 I was surprised to see that minecraft pe was written in c++
01:51 thefamilygrog66 (i.e. not java)
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01:54 ShadowNinja thefamilygrog66: Most Android games are written in C(++) for speed.
01:54 ShadowNinja (Or at least most CPU/GPU hungry ones)
01:54 thefamilygrog66 ahh
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02:10 thefamilygrog66 well, stu's build is kinda hanging on my tablet
02:12 VanessaE damn
02:13 thefamilygrog66 the menu screen(s) look okay, and I can type into the various fields, but it hangs when I try to minimize the keyboard
02:13 VanessaE oh that's known
02:13 VanessaE don't hide the keyboard :P
02:13 thefamilygrog66 haha, it's taking up half the screen though
02:13 VanessaE "Note that hiding the keyboard will cause the app to crash under android versions 4.1 and 4.2"
02:14 thefamilygrog66 ahh, there you go - okay will try to navigate with the keyboard onscreen
02:14 VanessaE if none of the official builds work out, there's also Buildcraft
02:14 VanessaE ( http://playstarz.com/ )
02:14 VanessaE a lot of my players use this.  it's buggy, and based on 0.4.8 (but with some of the newer shaders from 0.4.9+)
02:15 thefamilygrog66 is that minetest based?
02:15 thefamilygrog66 ok, cool
02:15 VanessaE btu it is minetet
02:15 VanessaE but*
02:15 VanessaE consider it a last resort :)
02:15 thefamilygrog66 ok
02:15 thefamilygrog66 what about those other two builds you mentioned? same thread?
02:16 VanessaE for sfan5 you'll have to ask him directly.  for xyz's build, looks like the one you tried uses his code anyway.  stu's on build is in that thread somewhere too
02:18 thefamilygrog66 I'll try buildcraft :)
02:19 domtron <thefamilygrog66> if your on android try using the "hackers keyboard" it is designed for programming. you can make it very small and it has arrow keys.
02:19 thefamilygrog66 @domtron, thanks for the advice - unfortunately, it crashes as soon as the world is generated, though
02:21 VanessaE buildcraft does?
02:21 domtron just checked. The version of the keyboard I have can shrink to 15% of the screen
02:21 thefamilygrog66 no, stu's
02:21 VanessaE oh ok
02:21 thefamilygrog66 I'm just downloading buildcraft right now
02:21 VanessaE try it on my "almost vanilla" server :)
02:21 VanessaE (digitalaudioconcepts port 30005)
02:22 VanessaE hacker's keyboard is nice, but my eyes suck so I still have it set to take like 45% of the screen :P
02:22 thefamilygrog66 I can builde it
02:22 thefamilygrog66 my eyes are older than yours, V!
02:22 thefamilygrog66 hey, adware. classy
02:23 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: I said they suck, not that they're old :P
02:23 VanessaE yeah, it has ads.  but they're easy enough to ignore
02:23 thefamilygrog66 par for the course on this doohicky
02:23 thefamilygrog66 the only android software I've actually purchased is mc pe
02:26 VanessaE I haven't purchased any of the stuff on mine
02:26 VanessaE don't use it enough :P
02:26 thefamilygrog66 I use it when I'm lazy
02:27 thefamilygrog66 also, it doesn't cook my bed like my laptop does o_O
02:27 VanessaE heh
02:27 thefamilygrog66 damn toshibas, always running too hot
02:27 VanessaE the irony of the "lazy" argument is that I use my PC when I'm lazy -- because the bed is upstairs :P
02:29 thefamilygrog66 so who "made" this version? pretty sketchy
02:34 thefamilygrog66 buidcraft crashes when I try chatting
02:41 Exio4 kahrl: do you have the paste of the "pyramid-generator in java"?
02:43 Exio4 got it, http://codepad.org/XkitNLv4
02:43 Exio4 i'll start sharing it everywhere
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05:25 Miner_48er what causes ERROR[main]: draw_hotbar():mainlist ==NULL ?
05:29 Madprogrammi Nobody knows :P
05:29 Madprogrammi Everybody gets it, I think VanessaE said something about a Github patch
05:30 Madprogrammi By the way, does anybody know how I can get IRC working on my server? It's not responding to any of the standard scripts/procedures.
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11:42 john_minetest !rev ynopyreve olleH
11:42 MinetestBot Hello everypony
12:02 Jordach 'lo
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12:37 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
12:42 john_minetest hey PilzAdam
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13:48 Megaf Hi all, how to I make mesecons more, instantaneous and with much greater range?
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14:59 sfan5 meow
15:00 sfan5 hi everyone
15:00 PilzAdam hai
15:00 Megaf Hi there
15:01 daspork hello
15:03 STHGOM hai
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15:13 Jordach just had a fist fight with Spotify again to keep it maximised
15:14 Jordach i even had to force an x session logout :(
15:15 Jordach aha, i have to maximise it then slightly move the window
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15:25 STHGOM what is a good picture uploader?
15:26 Jordach imgur.com or minus.com
15:26 STHGOM k ty
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15:30 Megaf or imagez.com
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15:33 STHGOM bye
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15:36 eraldev hey guys
15:37 eraldev help
15:37 eraldev please
15:37 eraldev how to me set up minetest server on linux ubuntu?
15:37 Jordach hm?
15:48 reactor Hey.
15:48 reactor eraldev: read the instructions on the wiki?
15:49 reactor If any certain problems arise, we will gladly help.
15:49 reactor ...does worldedit save chest contents in schemes?
16:00 sfan5 reactor: yes
16:00 sfan5 it s
16:00 sfan5 it saves any metadata
16:01 sfan5 so it will save anything mods store in the node meta
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16:09 reactor sfan5: good
16:09 reactor sfan5: may I share a modified version of your script with my map?
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16:09 sfan5 which script?
16:10 reactor The one I used to port Pripyat from Minecraft.
16:10 sfan5 yes, you may
16:10 reactor ty
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16:21 john_minetest reactor: http://imgur.com/a/DddmZ#0
16:21 reactor !title
16:21 MinetestBot reactor: Chernobyl &amp; Pripyat - Imgur
16:22 reactor k
16:22 reactor Oh, that's outside the city.
16:23 reactor oh, should have scrolled lower
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16:24 reactor Those thin flat blocks I modeled last week
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16:31 reactor john_minetest: ty for the link, so much material
16:32 reactor Just the angles I lacked.
16:44 eraldev please help me, im setup my minetest server, but im not login on server
16:44 eraldev http://pastebin.com/cGi43KFc
16:44 eraldev log
16:46 ShadowNinja eraldev: That part of the log isn't relevant.
16:48 eraldev ShadowNinja: where the log is stored?
16:48 ShadowNinja Megaf: You don't.  daspork's got some client-side autorouting code, but it might not be extensible enough for mesecons.  Client-side mods with custom drawtypes would be ideal.
16:48 ShadowNinja eraldev: debug.txt.  It is also output to the terminal.
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16:58 eraldev http://pastebin.com/q7Rm8gVu
16:58 eraldev look at log please
17:00 eraldev ShadowNinja: look please
17:08 ShadowNinja eraldev: Um, running as root as a very, very, very, very, very, very, very bad idea.
17:09 ShadowNinja eraldev: What version is this?
17:09 eraldev ShadowNinja: 0.4.9
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17:10 ShadowNinja eraldev: Can you provide more of the log?
17:11 eraldev shadow: how?
17:15 reactor john_minetest: http://gallery.pripyat.com/files//8/7/4/4/116.jpg
17:15 john_minetest "Noooooo! Don't leave me heeeere!"
17:24 daspork VanessaE: also as a side note I'm from your neck of the woods.
17:25 daspork Have friends in Mars Hill. been in your town a few times :P
17:26 VanessaE cool
17:27 VanessaE john_minetest: hahah
17:27 daspork I live in Hong Kong and the philippines now but im from Johnson City TN
17:29 ShadowNinja eraldev: Um, copy-paste it?
17:29 eraldev ok
17:30 ShadowNinja eraldev: And pastebin.com is evil.  Use something like paste.ubuntu.com.
17:32 eraldev pastebin.com/9zbn4iMm
17:33 eraldev http://paste.ubuntu.com/6960989
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17:38 reactor john_minetest: http://lurkmore.so/images/5/5a/124630362183.jpg
17:39 john_minetest reactor: What's that?
17:40 reactor Pripyat
17:40 reactor инжалидов
17:41 eraldev reactor you russian?
17:43 reactor Sometmes.
17:43 harrison spacebo da nyet!
17:45 reactor вызываeт смepти подoпытных
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19:06 Jordach PilzAdam, is there a way to get a players name from using a chatcommand? because this happens; http://paste.ubuntu.com/6961477/
19:08 PilzAdam Jordach, the playername is passed as the first parameter to func of the chatcommand
19:08 Jordach right
19:08 Jordach func = function() <- wrong and func = function(player) <- right
19:09 Jordach s/player/name
19:11 Jordach yup
19:11 Jordach that works
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19:15 PilzAdam !next
19:15 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
19:16 Jordach wait
19:16 PilzAdam !wait
19:16 Jordach http://paste.ubuntu.com/6961528/
19:21 ShadowNinja Jordach: function(name, params)  params may not be nil, but may be the empty string.
19:21 Jordach ShadowNinja, got it
19:21 Jordach i'm just patching VanessaE's broken sethome
19:21 Jordach simply because adding an area in someone elses name fucks it
19:22 Jordach (which means everyone's home becomes the one you just set)
19:22 ShadowNinja What?
19:23 ShadowNinja /set_owner SomeOtherPlayer sets everyone's home?
19:23 Jordach ShadowNinja, the file where homes were located just literally just shat it's own guts out
19:23 Jordach because one part of it wouldn't parse
19:23 Jordach ShadowNinja, /sethome player sets everyone#s home
19:23 ShadowNinja Oh, ok.
19:24 Jordach i broke it, i'll fix it
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19:40 specing Guys I have trouble getting VanessaE Pipeworks working on proller's server
19:40 specing I connected mesecons to an injector and activated it, but it doesen't send stuff out
19:40 specing I does send it if I push manually
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19:45 specing Hmm, I added another mese wire and it works now, but it only sends one
19:49 specing Is there a simpler solution than a luacontroller?
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20:04 specing But this thing overheats
20:04 specing :/
20:12 proller specing, you reach top point?
20:13 proller its best places on map ;)
20:20 specing A delayer combined with a NOT gate delivers satisfactory result
20:21 specing proller: not yet, I setup camp at 10000
20:21 specing My bags were full
20:21 proller 10000 high?
20:22 specing 10000 x
20:22 proller go to 18+k x
20:23 specing I see monta out there
20:23 proller yes, he build road down
20:23 specing what are the coordinates of top?
20:23 proller ~18000,11229,0
20:23 proller walk fast
20:31 Megaf specing: blinking plant?
20:32 Megaf I mean, use it
20:32 Megaf you cant just turn it on, you must send a signal, and the easiest way is a blinking plant
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20:40 dadix hello all
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20:41 dadix there is a tool for minetest like voxel sniper?
20:41 dadix I want to build bug structure fast
20:41 EvergreenTree Not really
20:42 EvergreenTree There is worldedit
20:42 dadix big structures
20:42 EvergreenTree dadix: Worldedit does big structures
20:42 dadix not terrain
20:42 EvergreenTree dadix: are you listening?
20:42 dadix yes
20:42 EvergreenTree Worldedit does big structures
20:42 EvergreenTree so what is your problem?
20:42 dadix worldedit is not for maps?
20:43 EvergreenTree I don't think you know what worldedit is
20:43 EvergreenTree :P
20:43 EvergreenTree Worldedit is a mod which allows you to select regions of land and do stuff with them
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20:44 EvergreenTree like moving, copying, filling, replacing certain blocks, creating shperes, etc
20:44 dadix with world edit I can build a meteorit and on that meteorit I want to build a spatial station
20:45 dadix ?
20:45 EvergreenTree Yes, you could
20:45 EvergreenTree Like I said you can create spheres in worldedit
20:45 dadix ok
20:45 EvergreenTree althought it is mostly only good for precise stuff
20:45 EvergreenTree voxelsniper is like a painting tool right?
20:46 EvergreenTree worldedit isn't like that
20:46 dadix yes
20:47 dadix you can select brushes
20:47 dadix with different sizes
20:47 EvergreenTree hm
20:47 EvergreenTree There isn't really anything like that in minetest
20:48 EvergreenTree I think it would be possible, just very slow and laggy
20:50 dadix with that tool we can build very fast in world
20:50 dadix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L82GKLEY4WE
20:51 dadix look
20:54 EvergreenTree Yeah, I know how it works
20:55 dadix ok
20:56 dadix look something nice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M183oxcU8zo
20:56 specing Megaf: solved it with an inverter and delay, works perfectly
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20:59 Megaf it add cpu load
20:59 Megaf well, I gotta go
20:59 Megaf cya
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21:01 domtron is there a way the engine could speed up processor intensive mods. For example would supporting c/c++ code within the mod help or is LuaJIT comparable to c/c++ speeds and laggy mods just need to be optimized?
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21:30 ShadowNinja domtron: LuaJIT is comparable to C++ in raw calculations like math.  You can use FFI to add C code to mods, but the issue is propably with design, not the language used if a mod's slow.
21:31 sfan5 let's write our own scripting language for minetest
21:32 dadix you may use ruby , is fast and is working very good on multicore
21:32 dadix systems
21:36 domtron I'm new to Lua, my experience is with python and javascript, are there common pitfalls in using Lua that I should avoid?
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21:46 ShadowNinja domtron: Lua is most similar to Javascript of those two.  See http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1022560/s​ubtle-differences-between-javascript-and-lua
21:48 proller domtron,  you should avoid use lua
21:49 sfan5 proller,  you should avoid not english learning
21:49 Jordach s/english/engrish
21:50 sfan5 also how are you supposed to use something that is not lua with minetest?
21:54 domtron I do find Lua a bit... disconcerting. But it's not Java so it can't be that bad. :P
21:55 domtron ShadowNinja: thanks. I did notice it had a javascript feel.
21:59 domtron oh... coroutines. Can those be used with minetest or will that cause problems? (I only vagly know what they are so if this is a stupid question just laugh at me)
22:22 specing Megaf: blinky plant has on/off width of about 20 s
22:22 specing its too long to fill a furnace
22:22 specing the ideal for furnacing is around 1s I'd say
22:42 ShadowNinja domtron: They work with Minetest.  They's basically just functions that can freeze and return as certain points brefor resuming.
22:42 ShadowNinja before*
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23:49 coder How do I hack a Minetest client?
23:49 Menche what do you mean?
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23:51 Exio4 is anyone on twister?
23:53 coder How do I modify my client allowing me to fly, noclip etc.
23:53 PilzAdam coder, by doing 1337 haxxor stuff
23:54 Menche it's possible to find the collision detection code and turn it off
23:54 Menche idk where exactly it is though
23:54 Menche it's mostly client-side
23:56 coder How do I turn off collision detection?
23:57 Exio4 if you want to be so hax0r you should know how to use your brain and read some code
23:57 Exio4 it is easy and intuitive as long as you aren't a lamer
23:59 coder I'm afraid i'm a bit of a newbie at LUA/C+/C++. Could you give me some hyints as to where I can find it in my game files?
23:59 Menche it would definitely be in the C++ code, not in Lua

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