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00:37 blaise ah
00:38 blaise so, like.. I just timed out on my own server
00:38 blaise lmao
00:38 blaise it's a gigabit lan
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00:40 blaise hi!
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01:05 blaise is there a wiki or howto or something with pipeworks ?
01:05 blaise :O)
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01:36 fwilson blaise: http://vanessae.github.io/pipeworks/
01:36 fwilson :)
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01:49 Peacock what's minetest charset? im trying to use unicode currency symbols but i keep getting <invalid multibyte string>
01:51 blaise fwilson: thank you
01:51 fwilson np
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02:14 blaise wow, the only thing the npc builder can make is a hut?
02:14 * blaise facepalms
02:14 Peacock everyone needs an outhouse :p
02:14 Peacock there are some more complex mods that builds shit without npc's but ... what's left to do for the user? lol
02:21 zat1 Anybody who might know: How hard can it be to make the water reflective?
02:21 Peacock cant as far as i know
02:21 Peacock i think that'd be RBA's department
02:24 blaise how come Dan Duncombe got banned?
02:24 blaise aparently the npcf builder can use Dan Duncombe's blueprints
02:25 Peacock a moderator insisted he do something with his mod, things escalated and he got banned :p
02:25 Peacock *one of his mods
02:25 Peacock you'll find thats quite normal around here :P
02:26 kaeza his mods were failing, he was told to fix it or his mod would be removed from a server, he got mad, started insulting everyone
02:26 kaeza and you know the end of the story
02:26 zat1 he killed hisself?
02:26 blaise wow, that's no good..
02:27 Peacock well from what v said she wasn't planning on removing the mod but wanted it fixed, but yeah he got pissed lol
02:27 Exio4 shut up Peacock
02:27 Peacock blow me exio
02:28 Exio4 THAT IS NOT RIGHT
02:28 Exio4 I AM RIGHT
02:28 zat did he died?
02:28 Peacock PLEASE USE MORE CAPS, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND
02:28 * Exio4 blanks his posts
02:28 kaeza >his 4 posts
02:28 kaeza noob
02:28 Exio4 4?
02:28 Exio4 thought i had 2 D:
02:28 Exio4 they duplicated
02:28 kaeza !sfu Exio
02:28 MinetestBot kaeza: No Results found
02:29 kaeza !sfu Exio4
02:29 Exio4 !sfu Exio4
02:29 MinetestBot Exio4 8New member 6 posts, registered on 2012-12-23 | id: 3863
02:29 MinetestBot Exio4 8New member 6 posts, registered on 2012-12-23 | id: 3863
02:29 Exio4 wow
02:29 Exio4 not legit
02:29 Exio4 anyway
02:29 Exio4 2012?
02:29 Exio4 wtf
02:29 Peacock sucks tho he wrote a lot of mods
02:29 kaeza wait... you joined way after me? O_o
02:30 kaeza !sfu kaeza
02:30 MinetestBot kaeza 9Moderator 1,520 posts, registered on 2012-10-18 | id: 3279
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02:30 Exio4 Moderator? wath
02:30 Exio4 since when you are mod lol
02:30 blaise !sfu jblaiseg
02:30 MinetestBot jblaiseg 8New member 0 posts, registered on 2014-01-03 | id: 8817
02:30 blaise XD
02:30 Peacock yeah the board has almost as many moderators as active members :P (almost)
02:30 Exio4 active l33t users
02:30 Peacock though it seems like the same 2 or 3 do most of the work
02:30 kaeza Exio4, O_o
02:31 Exio4 what kaeza
02:31 Exio4 what is so O_o o_o o_O?
02:31 kaeza nuthin
02:31 Exio4 k
02:33 kaeza Peacock, "wrote" <.<
02:34 Peacock ?
02:39 blaise ^.^
02:39 kaeza ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
02:47 blaise are steel chests possible?
02:47 blaise steel locked chests ?
02:47 Exio4 you could add metadata and shit to wood if you wanted to
02:48 blaise seems like the wood ones wouldn't be all that secure
02:48 blaise and I've seen copper locked chests
02:48 Peacock steel chests? http://farm3.staticflickr.com/​2123/2142373686_c617e5aa65.jpg
02:49 blaise lmao
02:49 blaise no
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02:52 blaise so, what minetest currency was the one that was adopted by the majority?
02:52 * VanessaE peeks in
02:52 VanessaE blaise: steel chests (as "iron") are in the technic mod.
02:52 Inocudom Who in this community has the skills to compile builds of Freeminer? It seems like xyz is too busy with other matters to.
02:52 VanessaE Inocudom: it compiles exactly the same as minetest.
02:52 blaise ah.. I didn't see them in the list..
02:53 Inocudom Fess had issues when trying to compile 64-bit builds of it.
02:54 Exio4 i can compile FM for 64bit!
02:54 Exio4 linux-builds tho ;)
02:54 Inocudom You can? How often do you do so? If you do so often, you should make a topic where you can upload the builds.
02:55 blaise how do I remove an npcf spawning block?
02:55 Inocudom If you can compile for linux, then VanessaE or sfan5 might know how to cross-compile for Windows.
02:55 VanessaE not a chance.
02:55 VanessaE idk how to cross-compile to Windows.
02:55 blaise lmao
02:55 blaise I do..
02:56 blaise ps, cygwin & gnu gcc is your friend
02:56 Inocudom Then I guess blaise and sfan5 are the only ones that know how to.
02:56 Inocudom I the method written in the forums somewhere so that those that need the information can go and find it?
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03:01 Inocudom Why did everything get so quiet all of a sudden?
03:01 Exio4 no idea
03:01 Exio4 i would blame kaeza for that
03:02 kaeza ftsu
03:02 Peacock im watching nightmare on elm street, so far the remake sucks balls
03:02 Inocudom If you understood how to use what blaise mentioned, you might be able to cross-compile builds for Windows then.
03:03 Peacock cross compile, thats when you wear a dress while compiling?
03:03 kaeza lol
03:03 Inocudom Freeminer as of yet does not have much support in terms od new builds.
03:03 Inocudom It is when you make a build on Lixus and port it to Windows.
03:39 blaise are people even using currency in their minetest servers?
03:39 blaise is it popular?
03:40 kaeza at least 7 out of 8 servers on our network use it
03:45 blaise kaeza: what minetest currency do you use/recommend?
03:45 kaeza Dan's
03:49 VanessaE Dan's mod works well
03:49 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7002
03:49 VanessaE simple, basic, no fuss
03:49 VanessaE too bad he went apeshit.
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04:33 blaise eh, I'm kinda nervous about using abandonware
04:33 blaise has someone taken over the project?
04:33 kaeza no, but you can do that
04:36 NekoGloop I suppose glooptest is abandonware
04:37 blaise bleh
04:37 NekoGloop oh well
04:37 NekoGloop best to let it become forgotten, I suppose
04:41 blaise isn't there something that works like an ATM?
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04:41 blaise use the currency to buy blocks? sell blocks to get currency?
04:42 NekoGloop it's really just an item that takes up space... all it's good for is trading
04:42 Miner_48er "Money" by kotolegokot
04:43 Miner_48er https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2263
04:45 VanessaE NekoGloop: only if you let it...
04:45 VanessaE it's in use on my survival server
04:45 VanessaE people like the glass
04:45 NekoGloop good for them
04:47 blaise could be useful to people that don't have space to hold a lot of resources in bags/chests
04:49 Hirato_ that thread  doesn't paint a good picture of Lua :P
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05:00 Robby VanessaE: you should add glooptest to the "Recommended" line in the homedecor mod post
05:00 VanessaE why?
05:00 VanessaE it doesn't use any glooptest items does it?
05:00 Robby because your mod uses part of it
05:01 Robby for chainlink
05:01 VanessaE oh
05:01 Robby mods/homedecor/furniture_recipes.lua:        { "glooptest:chainlink", "", "glooptest:chainlink" },
05:01 Robby I noticed because the crafting guide gave an unknown item and went looking why
05:01 Robby :p
05:02 Robby there was an alternate recipe tho, but still
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05:07 VanessaE I'll fix it later
05:07 Robby ok :)
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05:14 blaise lol
05:14 blaise VanessaE: I downloaded your x512 textures
05:14 blaise getting ready to make my computer lay a golden egg
05:15 VanessaE haha
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05:40 VanessaE he's not here at this time of night
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05:41 VanessaE core devs are usually on #minetest-dev
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05:41 prestotron55 [deleted]
05:41 VanessaE but at this time of night, there's not usually anyone on.
05:41 OldCoder Oh?
05:41 OldCoder VanessaE, pm when free if awake
05:41 prestotron55 [deleted]
05:42 VanessaE hi OldCoder
05:42 prestotron55 [deleted]
05:42 OldCoder I mean
05:42 OldCoder if she is awake when free
05:42 OldCoder VanessaE, hi
05:42 prestotron55 [deleted]
05:43 SirDigby God damn it Canonical really needs to pool all the resources possible and fix the god damn Ubuntu Software Center.
05:44 VanessaE don't use it
05:44 VanessaE use Synaptic
05:44 VanessaE software center is purely for noobs.
05:44 prestotron55 [deleted]
05:44 VanessaE Synaptic is for folks who know what they're doing
05:44 VanessaE (or apt if you prefer the command line)
05:45 prestotron55 [deleted]
05:45 prestotron55 [deleted]
05:45 VanessaE not really, no
05:45 VanessaE not familiar enough to really tell you much aboutit
05:46 prestotron55 [deleted]
05:46 VanessaE and Synaptic for veterans?  not really.  just, experienced users who know what they're looking for or at least how to do decent searches.
05:46 VanessaE yeah, I mostly focus on mods, very little engine work.
05:47 VanessaE the only engine I work on is the one in my car, and I try to avoid that one, too :P
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05:48 OldCoder prestotron55, I will be free soon
05:48 prestotron55 [deleted]
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05:50 proller no.
05:50 OldCoder prestotron55, ask
05:50 SirDigby I use apt all the time
05:50 OldCoder Is this about the C++ mods issue?
05:51 prestotron55 [deleted]
05:51 SirDigby but I miss clicked on a hyper link on the elementary os update web site and it opened USC
05:51 prestotron55 [deleted]
05:51 proller just being not stupid kid
05:52 SirDigby BLASTED!
05:53 prestotron55 [deleted]
05:53 proller you need 5-10-60 years to fix yourself
05:53 prestotron55 [deleted]
05:54 OldCoder prestotron55, If Lua can link to external languages
05:54 kaeza guise, pls take to PM kthx
05:54 OldCoder I don't see why not
05:54 OldCoder kaeza, do you know about the C++ mods issue?
05:54 kaeza C++ mods?
05:54 OldCoder Scroll up
05:54 OldCoder Can Lua link to external libraries?
05:54 prestotron55 [deleted]
05:54 OldCoder If so then the answer to his question is yes
05:55 kaeza ah, yes it can
05:55 prestotron55 [deleted]
05:55 kaeza but there's some magic due to Minetest not providing a Lua DLL
05:55 prestotron55 [deleted]
05:55 kaeza or rather, not linking dynamically with Lua
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06:25 Hirato_ um... oretty sure minetst links against luajit
06:27 VanessaE Hirato_: different issue entirely
06:27 VanessaE (sorry I missed the question... was busy)
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09:33 Megaf Hi all
09:33 VanessaE hi
09:36 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fixed minetest reliable udp implementation (compatible to old clients) 9edb91da57 2014-01-10T01:10:45-08:00 http://git.io/MjwDzw
09:36 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Make MutexQueue use jsemaphore for signaling 8b0b857eaa 2014-01-10T01:10:45-08:00 http://git.io/MHBDYA
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11:18 jp Hello world.
11:18 VanessaE hi
11:19 jp Hey Xiong ;)
11:20 jp You were wrong. LG.us is NOT dead ;)
11:21 jp Hope you have seen the last updates.
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11:29 xiong Was dead, now back, I guess.
11:30 xiong You know I lose half my interest in a world whenever the rules are changed. It seems such an underhanded and willful thing to do.
11:31 xiong When Athens goes live it will be enjoyable play and it will be *stable*. If you build something today it will work as long as we decide to keep the world going.
11:32 * xiong eats
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11:35 jp Athens ? Your world-server ?
11:37 jp In otherwise, the rules have to change, it's called "evolution". And not a reactionary attitude...
11:38 xyz http://i.imgur.com/tz5Sw9v.png
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14:03 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
14:03 PenguinDad hi PilzAdam
14:05 VanessaE hi
14:05 SirDigby This is a right crap day for a birthday
14:06 VanessaE why?
14:06 SirDigby freezing rain and sleet
14:06 VanessaE ew
14:06 SirDigby on top of already 3 feet of frozen snow
14:07 SirDigby just 4 days ago it was -20 and now its 35?
14:07 VanessaE not much different from here
14:07 SirDigby welcome back 1983
14:07 VanessaE was -18C, now it's +8 two days later.
14:08 VanessaE (-1, +46 F)
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14:17 SirDigby Pimp my house! http://i.imgur.com/i8AFzKD.png      |     http://i.imgur.com/zEi7Nur.png
14:18 VanessaE interesting design :)
14:19 SirDigby thanks
14:20 SirDigby This map dosn't have reed/payrus
14:21 SirDigby I use that for interior decorating.
14:22 SirDigby I put a light block as a floor block, then put sandstone on top of it and a arrangement and then reed on top of that.
14:22 SirDigby I think it looks nice and it gives off ambient lighting
14:24 VanessaE nice
14:48 xyz http://superuser.com/questions/698312/i​f-32-bit-machines-can-only-handle-numbe​rs-up-to-232-why-can-i-write-100000000
14:51 Hirato_ lol
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15:42 john_minetest hello everypony
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16:24 EvergreenTree o/
16:25 * EvergreenTree pokes Jordach
16:33 * sfan5 puts a kitten on EvergreenTree's head
16:33 sfan5 hi everyone
16:33 * VanessaE looks in
16:33 VanessaE hi all
16:33 * EvergreenTree strokes the kitten
16:33 EvergreenTree Hi
16:33 EvergreenTree I'm getting the components for my new computer
16:33 VanessaE (hi all who just joined that is)
16:34 EvergreenTree ^ like me
16:36 SirDigby What did you go with?
16:36 EvergreenTree mkay, here is the pcpartpicker list
16:37 EvergreenTree http://pcpartpicker.com/use​r/EvergreenTree/saved/33ms
16:37 EvergreenTree not the best, but it will be fine for me
16:37 SirDigby Are you sure about that mb
16:38 SirDigby Every time I buy a 50 dollar mb from asrock it fails in 3 months
16:39 SirDigby not to mention it's a 760.
16:39 EvergreenTree the mb is kind of a changable point
16:39 SirDigby right.
16:39 EvergreenTree It doesn't have to be the final one
16:40 EvergreenTree yay, for hardware talk on #minetest
16:41 SirDigby That gskill is a really good deal.
16:41 Jordach o/
16:42 EvergreenTree yep
16:42 SirDigby I just put in the order from them as I'm building a new pc aswell
16:42 SirDigby I'm going back and fourth on am3+ or fm2+ and wait till the 14th
16:43 SirDigby brb, dog needs out
16:43 sfan5 EvergreenTree: y u no ssd?
16:44 EvergreenTree I will add that later
16:44 EvergreenTree I'm running on a fairly slow 30gb hard drive right now
16:44 * sfan5 wishes there were laptops (not expensive) with interchangeable gfx-card
16:44 EvergreenTree I imagine I'll get a 64gb ssd for the operating system install, as well as programs
16:45 VanessaE 64gb is too small
16:45 sfan5 nah
16:45 VanessaE not because it is inadequately sized for storage
16:45 sfan5 64GB is more than enough for windows and a few programs
16:45 VanessaE but because you want to have LOTS of runoff space for re-allocated blocks over time
16:45 VanessaE nonononono
16:45 sfan5 s/windows/windows or linux/
16:45 VanessaE I said not for storage
16:45 EvergreenTree 128gb then?
16:46 VanessaE but for reallocated blocks
16:46 VanessaE 128 oughta do
16:46 sfan5 but 128 is more expensive
16:46 VanessaE the bigger the drive, the more of it the manufacturer will reserve for bad blocks.  similar to a HDD but more critical for an SSD.
16:46 EvergreenTree LIke I said, surving on a 30gb hdd right now
16:46 EvergreenTree *surviving
16:46 EvergreenTree should be more than enough for me
16:47 xyz buy a 3 tb hdd
16:47 EvergreenTree plus, I already have a 1tb external drive
16:47 VanessaE 128GB seems to be around the sweet spot for ssd at the moment
16:48 VanessaE 160 was when I bought my last one.
16:51 xyz https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=125241#p125241
16:51 VanessaE er make that 120 for mine
16:51 VanessaE (why do I keep calling it 160?)
16:51 VanessaE EvergreenTree: I have one of these:  http://3btech.net/much12sa6gso.html
16:51 xyz he forgot to add a note about dragon dildos
16:52 EvergreenTree Samsung MZ-7TE120BW840 EVO looks like a pretty good ssd to me
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16:53 VanessaE I heard the 840 is pretty good yeah
16:54 EvergreenTree lunch, brb
16:56 xyz I have 840 pro, it's good
16:57 rubenwardy Hi all
17:01 xyz http://i.imgur.com/bE2nRXn.png
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17:06 Exio4 xyz: why not 4tb hdd
17:07 xyz i thought those are still overpriced
17:08 xyz but sure, why not
17:09 Exio4 i need moar hdd though
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17:10 Exio4 15G~ free right now
17:10 Exio4 /dev/sda4       756G  742G   15G  99% /home
17:10 BlockMen hi
17:10 Exio4 hey BlockMen!
17:11 VanessaE I guess I just don't need as much... heh.  60G free on home, 6.2 on /, 319 on data, and another 18G + 1.7 TB on the server.
17:12 xyz http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ybhAHTcK
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17:15 BlockMen Sam makes selfies now http://i.imgur.com/MaxX7LV.png :P
17:18 xyz cool, now remove this crosshair
17:19 BlockMen in front view, yeah
17:21 markveidemanis Hi
17:22 markveidemanis My website at marktest.co.uk weighs 225kb on first load and 9kb on second, why?
17:22 xyz because of css and js
17:22 markveidemanis xchat doesnt need a protocol to parse a link :)
17:22 xyz and images, too
17:23 markveidemanis So all of that is cached?
17:23 markveidemanis is 225 big for a page?
17:23 VanessaE xyz: forums seem to be having problems...
17:23 xyz no
17:24 xyz please do research before reporting stuff like that
17:25 markveidemanis me?
17:25 xyz sfan5: http://i.imgur.com/8A270Zj.png
17:25 xyz no, VE
17:25 markveidemanis k
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17:25 markveidemanis I asked a question i could have googled too...
17:26 nore BlockMen, is 3d person view for merge in the engine?
17:27 BlockMen nore, in general yes, but it needs still a lot improvement before ready for
17:28 xyz like what?
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17:32 BlockMen xyz, better camera positioning when new pos is a node, function to register player controled animations (walking, digging, etc) and tweaking at all
17:32 xyz register player controled animations?
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17:35 BlockMen to prevent animation lags the animations are set by controls pressed. since mt allows other models (than the default one) you need to tell the client the animation ranges for that
17:36 xyz hmm, I see, so now it only works with default model?
17:36 BlockMen yes, and to change that the function ;)
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17:52 sapier and animation<->control mapping would be hardcoded
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18:10 iqualfragile VanessaE: what has happened to the crossing tubes?
18:10 nore iqualfragile, why?
18:10 iqualfragile i do not see them in the craftguide anymore
18:10 nore they still are there, only changed textures
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18:11 nore iqualfragile, it looks like thet were not cratable
18:11 nore +f
18:12 iqualfragile nore: notify me when its back
18:12 iqualfragile (in git, using git anyways)
18:12 nore VanessaE, ^
18:13 VanessaE what'd I do?
18:13 nore dunno, add any craftrecipe
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18:14 VanessaE gimme a sec.
18:16 VanessaE hm
18:16 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix check for max_fd == -1 should actually be max_fd != -1 3bbd280336 2014-01-10T10:19:16-08:00 http://git.io/pSPoIA
18:16 VanessaE no recipe indeed
18:16 VanessaE well, easily fixed.
18:16 nore https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=125272#p125272 <-- ehmmm... strange, and the 2 following posts too
18:16 nore can you understand something?
18:17 VanessaE not a clue
18:17 VanessaE looks like gibberish to me
18:17 nore (google translate detects english...)
18:17 sfan5 xyz: wat is that?
18:18 xyz sfan5: sakura trick
18:18 Jordach what if i told you that autocrafters can build autocrafers which can be deployed and then turned into an autocrafter autocrafter
18:19 Jordach fucking grey goo theory right there :D
18:19 VanessaE nore: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6727996/
18:19 VanessaE look good?
18:19 nore yep
18:22 sfan5 xyz: ah ok, I haven't browsed /a/ yet today so I didn't know
18:22 xyz sfan5: that's good
18:23 sfan5 oh hey look another DAL thread
18:23 xyz http://i.imgur.com/oj4xF11.png
18:24 sfan5 they already had one yesterday
18:24 xyz never would've thought people actually complain about JS
18:25 xyz sfan5: that's how it works
18:25 sfan5 >Maybe it should have been named Tohka thread instead. Having a thread purely devoted to Tohka might not be so bad every once in a while.
18:25 sfan5 that didn't happen once yet (I think)
18:25 rubenwardy JS is good
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18:27 BlockMen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjy-z8X3JT8 :)
18:27 sfan5 wow someone posted a youtube link with https :D
18:27 sfan5 !title
18:27 MinetestBot sfan5: Minetest - 3rd person + front view - YouTube
18:28 xyz why do [almost] all Minetest videos have shitty recording? ;(
18:28 BlockMen i uploaded 720p, if shitty quality then its youtubes fault
18:29 rubenwardy It is in 720p
18:29 rubenwardy ProTip: See cog in bottom-right
18:29 rubenwardy bye all
18:29 BlockMen bye
18:30 xyz i'm talking about fps
18:30 xyz it's less than 24 it seems
18:31 BlockMen xyz, it wasnt. maybe my recording software isnt best :\
18:31 sfan5 BlockMen: use ffmpeg
18:31 xyz videos should be at least 24 frames per second, this way the brain will be able to interpret it not as a sequence of frames, but as a video
18:32 xyz BlockMen: use simplescreenrecorder
18:32 PenguinDad or vokoscreen
18:32 xyz it's easy to use and fast, and has sane defaults
18:33 nore to any wiki moderator: http://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Talk:Mai​n_Page&amp;curid=499&amp;diff=2067&amp;oldid=2066 (and could you ban the IP too?)
18:33 BlockMen except ffmpeg it sounds like linux stuff
18:33 BlockMen *linux only
18:33 xyz are you using windows?
18:34 BlockMen is that something new?!
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18:36 xyz yes, I kind of hoped everyone here used linux
18:36 xyz for windows, I'm sure there are proper tools to record the screen, but they probably cost money
18:37 BlockMen nore, done
18:37 nore good
18:37 BlockMen xyz, if that would be the case you wouldnt have to provide win builds :P
18:38 BlockMen and yes, but i dont want pay 30$ for a recording software
18:38 xyz "everyone here"
18:38 xyz well then nothing can be done
18:38 BlockMen exactly ;)
18:38 xyz but that doesn't mean I'll stop complaining
18:40 BlockMen im fine with that.
18:41 * BlockMen is afk
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19:01 onpon4 This is really weird: as of Minetest 0.4.9, I can't enable the Inventory++ mod in the menu; any time I click "save", it always gets disabled (and only that specific mod, as far as I'm aware). I'm able to enable it by manually editing the file, though. Weird, and kind of annoying.
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19:03 Peacock stick to even numbered releases, the odd numbered ones are historically trouble :P (045,047, etc. )
19:04 iqualfragile VanessaE: https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/commi​t/876c172a54b6dbf3f2bb412183d7acd27ccddae6 srsly?
19:04 iqualfragile output = "homedecor:plastic_shcurl_parallel_limit = 32eeting",
19:04 sapier :-)
19:05 sapier guess vanessaE did some ctrl-v in wrong place
19:05 iqualfragile sapier: would guess middleclick
19:05 sapier or middle mouse button
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19:09 Peacock shcurl also sounds like some sort of weird pastry
19:09 specing proller: what did you do to wheat again?
19:09 specing add temperature?
19:09 Peacock "whats for breakfast?" "shcurl and quassels!" :P
19:09 specing at what temperatures does it grow now?
19:10 proller +3
19:10 iqualfragile VanessaE: hurrdurr fiiiixx
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19:16 nore iqualfragile, http://git.io/NZJwkg
19:16 iqualfragile good, thanks
19:17 xyz hey YOUR COMMIT MESSAGE IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND
19:17 xyz this is UNACCEPTABLE
19:18 nore xyz, what commit message would you write for that?
19:19 xyz all those messages were a parody
19:19 nore I know... but the question is still there
19:19 nore (I tried to find a funnier and more original message, but I wasn't able to)
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19:21 FreeFull VanessaE: Do you not review your commits before you push them?
19:21 iqualfragile nore: detector tubes do not seem to work properly
19:21 iqualfragile they give reeealy short signals
19:21 nore why? what happens?
19:21 nore yes, I know
19:21 nore these are pulses
19:22 nore (so you can count the number of items, etc)
19:22 nore (well, they are a bit longer than pulses)
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19:47 Robby is there a way for admins to open steel doors?
19:47 Robby owned by others
19:47 Robby without needing to noclip
19:49 EvergreenTree I imagine a mod could me made to do that
19:50 EvergreenTree *be
19:50 iqualfragile nore: well, they are too slow to extend a piston
19:50 iqualfragile *short
19:51 nore iqualfragile, add a memory then
19:51 iqualfragile whats the sanest way of getting them to be a bit longer?
19:51 nore (or use several gates to delay them, and OR all the results)
19:51 iqualfragile urgh
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20:18 iqualfragile VanessaE: nore atm filters output everywhere, not just at the back, will this be changed in the future? if not could connection-indicators be added to the sides?
20:19 nore what do you mean, output everywhere?
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20:21 nore iqualfragile, ^
20:21 iqualfragile well, you can put a tube under a filter and items will go into that tube
20:21 nore ???
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20:26 nore iqualfragile, could you try with that last commit please?
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20:27 iqualfragile nore: i liked that bug/feature :(
20:27 nore anyway, gtg... bbl
20:28 nore iqualfragile, it was a bug... now it is a fixed bug :p
20:28 nore (as a positive point, items take now less time to leave)
20:28 nore bye
20:29 iqualfragile by nore
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20:32 * Calinou brohooves EvergreenTree
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20:45 iqualfragile EvergreenTree: does trash_can support pipeworks?
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20:49 Peacock what's a "brohooves", some sort of inappropriate touching?
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20:55 SirDigby clop things
20:58 xyz n.) A high-five between two males who watch the show, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, due to any aspect, win, meme, etc. regarding said television show.
20:59 iqualfragile xyz: i want to scrub of my eyes with an iron sponge, now!
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21:01 * sfan5 taps Calinou
21:02 xyz http://53rg10.files.wordpress.co​m/2013/01/vivid-red_ep01-17.png :^)
21:04 iqualfragile is there some way to read the meta of nodes?
21:05 xyz explain
21:05 VanessaE sorry I was afk...  FreeFull yes I normally do check, but how the hell that copy&paste error got in there I have no clue at all
21:06 kaeza greetings
21:08 VanessaE
21:08 iqualfragile xyz: well, nodes have metadata, is there some way to read that ingame?
21:09 kaeza get_meta(pos) ?
21:09 VanessaE .0+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++​++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
21:09 Peacock i think V segfaulted :/
21:10 Peacock check her pull requests, there'll probably be copypasta from the chat :p
21:10 VanessaE oops :)
21:10 VanessaE bbl
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21:17 xyz http://icelord.net/wordpress/wp-conte​nt/uploads/2011/02/180184_18456086647​50_1376666074_32119097_4232883_n.jpg
21:18 ShadowNinja https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=125268#p125268 ??
21:19 EvergreenTree iqualfragile, not yet
21:19 EvergreenTree I think something like an incinerator would be cool
21:20 Peacock to stick players in?
21:20 EvergreenTree lol
21:21 Peacock i really wish though the server had some sort of disconnect on x idle though
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21:21 EvergreenTree you're an endless source of forums signatures Peacock
21:21 Peacock seriously ive spotted a few people using the ridiculous things i say as signatures :P
21:22 EvergreenTree like me?
21:22 EvergreenTree :P
21:22 xyz people are really strange
21:22 Peacock i noticed sfan (proprietary hoes) and kaeza (michael jackson/white woman), what did you use?
21:23 xyz some fall so low they use what I say as signature
21:23 EvergreenTree <Peacock> "whats for breakfast?" "shcurl and quassels!" :P
21:23 EvergreenTree plus some context
21:23 Peacock oh lol that's fresh
21:23 EvergreenTree yop
21:23 Peacock no wonder i didn't notice lol
21:24 sfan5 xyz: well.. what you said was absolutly right.. so I though I'd use it
21:25 xyz http://i.imgur.com/bZ2tkqb.png
21:26 xyz from forum
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21:26 sfan5 burningsvideo looks best
21:27 xyz no, actually, both software renderers looks like shit
21:27 Peacock <xyz> well, I guess Microsoft is better at drawing cute girls than making web browsers, oh i don't know... http://img703.imageshack.us/i​mg703/6726/saintignucius.jpg :P
21:28 sfan5 but the water is weird in software
21:29 xyz Peacock: uhhhh?
21:29 Peacock lol
21:29 xyz this is disturbing
21:29 xyz please stop posting pictures like this here
21:29 Peacock thats what i though lol
21:30 BlockMen bye
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21:30 xyz I've wasted 5 hours yesterday compiling Freeminer for windows as a fully static binary
21:31 xyz how stupid is that?
21:32 proller 99%
21:33 proller 1% = experience
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21:50 iqualfragile EvergreenTree: please add that feature, i need to get rid of *some* cobblestone in my system
21:51 EvergreenTree when I have time, I'll try
21:53 Calinou iqualfragile, /pulverize while holding in hand
21:53 iqualfragile Calinou: you know, i have like 8 chests
21:53 iqualfragile but you are invited to join my server and do that by hand
21:53 Calinou do it with the help of console
21:56 sfan5 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8255
21:56 sfan5 my guide to tell that things will fail:
21:56 sfan5 * they are announced
21:57 sfan5 * made by people who are new / haven't contributed something useful yet
21:57 sfan5 [EOF]
21:57 xyz after some messages he's not so certain
21:57 xyz > Still, I want to do this, plus add a few of my own features maybe... Like custom mods or something....
21:58 xyz sfan5: nah, you're just fucking jelly
21:59 sfan5 yeah sure
22:01 zat Seriously try to make the server faster. I gave up trying to set up my own minetest server.
22:02 zat It works acceptable, still hanging sometimes, only in my laptop.
22:02 zat And note, this is my laptop: https://www.asus.com/ROG_ROG/G75VW/#specifications
22:04 markveidemanis Hi
22:05 markveidemanis I have simple, perfectly timed, stable videos, MovieMaker or After Effects or is there a better one
22:07 kaeza can't parse that
22:07 zat Please kaesa... you have to pick one of simple, perfectly timed, stable videos, MovieMaker or After Effects.
22:08 zat Compare to your knowledge base and suggest the best one you know of.
22:08 zat kaeza*
22:08 kaeza sat :P
22:09 zat :( He left and it was not my fault.
22:09 kaeza oh you made him leave :(
22:09 zat :(
22:09 zat sat... like Chilesat.
22:09 * sfan5 puts a kitten on zat's head
22:10 proller zat, now only one way available for making server faster ;)
22:10 zat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zo71Hg_7mA
22:10 sfan5 !title
22:10 MinetestBot sfan5: Spot 171 de Chilesat - YouTube
22:10 zat proller: freeminer was faster but not enough.
22:10 MinetestBot GIT: Jeija commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #138 from ShadowNinja/split_textures c067e52714 2014-01-10T14:10:20-08:00 http://git.io/60Jr6Q
22:10 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Move textures into their mods de6dd30745 2014-01-10T10:13:02-08:00 http://git.io/aEeykw
22:11 proller zat, you need to rewrite 10% of code to make faster
22:11 zat I would rather made a new game. :D
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22:12 proller its much longer and low chance to success
22:12 zat With all the knowledge obtained so far, is time to begin a complete code rewrite.
22:12 zat It is my opinion...
22:12 proller okay, start it
22:12 zat From someone who has been only three or four months in here.
22:13 MinetestBot GIT: jeija@mesecons.net commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Add dummy mesecons_commandblock/init.lua as we keep the textures in that folder 7517cc4af1 2014-01-10T14:13:07-08:00 http://git.io/FTTLEA
22:14 proller complete rewrite can take 6-12 work months
22:15 zat not necessarily
22:15 zat it can take more
22:15 zat :D!!!!!!!
22:15 sfan5 >Shaders are laggy, too, so there's a setting for it. If you write the code into c++, it would lag less
22:15 proller yes, its minimum
22:15 sfan5 oh yes of course, because your cpu can do graphics operations way faster thab your GPU
22:16 proller need to rewrite farmesh feature
22:16 zat Know what... using bullet for collissions would be nice.
22:18 xyz zat: when rewriting don't forget to choose a proper language!
22:20 zat xyz: like java or python?
22:21 xyz dunno!
22:21 xyz there're so many awesome languages, choosing something boring like C++ would be a mistake!
22:21 xyz how about haskell?
22:21 PilzAdam brainfuck?
22:21 zat ada
22:24 xyz could work
22:24 xyz or lua
22:24 zat sure
22:24 xyz we already know that lua-c++ calls take the most time
22:24 zat the opengl renderer can be in lua
22:24 xyz just rewrite everything into lua
22:24 xyz problem solved!
22:25 zat or lua shaders
22:25 PilzAdam Lua also doesnt need to be compiled
22:25 zat right
22:25 xyz http://luagl.sourceforge.net/
22:25 xyz it's also very portable
22:25 zat I can port the rollback to pure lua
22:25 zat everything from memory
22:25 xyz and you get mod support for free
22:25 xyz see, the possibilities!
22:25 zat yes I imagine
22:25 zat I just had an imagination overflow.
22:27 xyz and it's simple, so you'll easily get a lot of contributors
22:28 xyz no need to recompile the whole project when you change a single header file as well
22:30 xyz well the only problem is that there's no threading
22:32 zat threading is an old concept just like C and C++.
22:32 xyz I guess you can just write another app which will, say, generate a map
22:32 sapier1 noone needs threading in time of multicore g/cpu's any longer ;-)
22:33 xyz this will work pretty much like Minetest now does
22:33 sapier I don't think so
22:33 zat the app can communicate via dbus
22:33 zat that would be an improvement, it would be code independent
22:33 xyz hm.. I wanted to suggest json
22:33 sapier minetest uses typically 280% for me so it's using at least 3 cores
22:33 xyz sapier: yes, there are multiple emerge threads
22:34 xyz and client and server
22:34 sapier true client as well as server consume 100% each
22:34 xyz but other than that?
22:34 sapier emerge thread, communication, whatever
22:35 xyz also I think that this split to send/receive thread is stupid
22:35 sapier you mentioned that multiple times but as far as I remember you didn't give a real reason for it
22:35 xyz it gives no benefits
22:35 Calinou xyz, luaGL is 1.3 only...
22:35 xyz it adds a lot of locks
22:36 Calinou would make it very limited :P
22:36 sapier what abot the benefit to block both threads waiting for incoming data not having to loop at all if nothing happens?
22:37 xyz what about it?
22:37 sapier as well as reduced communication jitter
22:37 sapier already two benefits
22:38 xyz I didn't understand this "not having to loop" thing, can you explain?
22:38 sapier and I wouldn't consider TWO locks to be "a lot"
22:38 xyz and jitter? what about it? how exactly does this improve my experience as a player?
22:39 sapier send thread can wait in request queue semaphore while receive thread hangs in select they don't have to check anything in loop
22:39 xyz you always love to say strange words and operate with numbers
22:39 sapier actullally you see the improvements by reduced effect of other players actions to your connection
22:41 sapier e.g. on a single thread incoming as well as outgoing data to another client will have direct effect on your communication ... by split threads data beeing sent to another client wont delay your data beeing sent to server
22:41 xyz "data"
22:41 xyz this "data" has to be processed by server
22:41 xyz which is single-threaded anyway
22:41 sapier no it may already be queued
22:42 xyz yes, and you don't win anything if it's queued
22:42 sapier so a full send queue will delay your incoming data on single threaded design
22:43 sapier you do as your incomming data is handled immediatly while only the answer may experience effect of the send queue, as you still have a guaranteed send window for your client you have a limited effect on send side
22:44 sapier of course it's not zero ... but it's not as big as having the effect on both sides
22:44 proller how much lag you remove by splitting thread?
22:44 proller more than 10ns?
22:44 sapier as of downloading lots of media it's been seconds
22:45 proller WHAT
22:46 PilzAdam also node and item definition sending in singleplayer are noticeable faster
22:46 sapier another question how to get reliable rtt and jitter information from enet
22:46 proller did you know how networking works?
22:46 proller PilzAdam, in 2x
22:46 proller PilzAdam, fm make it 5x faster
22:47 proller and 40x faster for singleplayer
22:47 sapier it's been 3 times this evening ;-P
22:47 proller without splitting
22:47 proller its flowing
22:47 proller 1.5-3x
22:47 proller no more stable speed
22:48 PilzAdam proller, how have you meaasured it?
22:48 proller try to make thread for every client
22:48 xyz sapier: awesome
22:48 proller PilzAdam, i have sand clock
22:48 xyz so I send my packet to server and receive thread processes it
22:48 xyz but then it has to send ACK, what thread does this?
22:49 proller sapier, why you need rtt and jitter?
22:49 PilzAdam proller, so you basically just imagined these values?
22:49 sapier the ack is directly queued and sent withing your peers contingent which is what I said about send queue still has limited effect
22:49 proller of course
22:49 proller also fm is 500x better.
22:51 sapier so proller what do you intend to tell us? I'm glad for you beeng that proud of your own work, but I don't know what this helps for minetest?
22:52 proller top servers on freeminer, MT users have faster connection to them
22:53 sapier there's room for improvement in my fixes for sure, windows sizes as well as dynamic window size adjustment can be done more sophisticated
22:53 proller dont forget tcp!
22:53 zat I have tried freeminer and I agree that it is faster, sapier, why not taking a look at the improvements and porting them to minetest?
22:53 sapier limit of 512 bytes per packet (complying to ipv4) could be adjusted to ipv6 specification
22:53 proller because they only 10 lines long
22:54 sapier some other things could be done too
22:54 proller you cant increase 512 limit
22:54 sapier zat you assume I didn't try to do this, I did for sure but without explanation they're worthless
22:54 proller without broke old clients
22:55 zat I dont assume I just suggest.
22:55 proller explanation: freeminer improvements make game faster
22:55 sapier I can't increase it due to 512 bytes beeing ipv4 standard limitation if you don't comply to it your protocol has to activly determine current path mtu
22:55 zat sapier: what things are worthless?
22:55 sapier best code is wothless if you can't use it due to missing documentation
22:56 zat sapier: well, contact the author.
22:56 xyz you didn't even try
22:56 proller minetest code is 99% worthless
22:56 xyz i understand the hate
22:56 sapier I did multiple times
22:56 xyz no, you didn't
22:57 * xyz knows very well how to win an internet argument
22:57 kahrl minetest 69% faster if merge this https://gist.github.com/kahrl/8364329
22:57 PilzAdam answers like <proller>  explanation: freeminer improvements make game faster   or <proller> minetest code is 99% worthless  are pretty cool
22:57 sapier see irc logs you'll find multiple times I said proller to improve and explain
22:58 sapier I don't wanna waste any more time on this discussion, rewriting all the old arguments which didn't bring us forward in past too
22:58 xyz oh well
22:58 xyz I agree, better write the code than arguments
22:58 xyz more code, sometimes better code
22:58 zat sapier: but have you found out what changes have made freeminer faster?
22:59 proller ... all changes ;)
22:59 proller except new awesome menu
22:59 sapier you said you wont help merging the freeminer features back to minetest, I'm fine with it don't expect us to do all the cleanup work left by your (sometimes partial) implementations
23:00 xyz i can assist you
23:00 sapier you said completely different only days ago xyz
23:00 xyz git remote add -f freeminer https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer.git; git merge freeminer/master
23:01 xyz that's it! all new features
23:01 sapier I'm glad if you try to help but still we can't just merge freeminer to master
23:01 xyz your problem D:
23:01 PilzAdam do all FM devs get a crash course at trolling?
23:01 proller 8)
23:01 sapier we need to take the features one by one
23:01 xyz the code is here
23:01 xyz we don't stop you from using it
23:01 zat sapier is right about that
23:01 xyz (although I wanted to relicense the source under GPLv3)
23:02 xyz still
23:02 sapier if you do it this way you can do for sure but it'd be end of merge
23:02 xyz if nothing is ever merged then there's no need for LGPL
23:02 proller sapier, you need make split diff line-by line and commit every line separate
23:02 xyz so nothing will change
23:02 zat I have read that a lot of people hate GPLv3
23:02 zat for some reason
23:03 zat I think it has something to do with contributions.
23:03 xyz yep
23:03 sapier gplv3 is useless for commercial usage
23:03 PilzAdam kahrl, D: it crashes!
23:03 xyz you can hate it for many reasons
23:03 xyz sapier: no, that's not true
23:03 proller MT  is useless for commercial usage too [in next 5-10 years]
23:03 kahrl I can play a bit if I use --disable-unittests
23:03 PilzAdam I get 00:02:59: ERROR[EmergeThread4]: Blank block data in database (data == NULL || len == 0) (-3,0,3)
23:03 kahrl dang
23:03 xyz PilzAdam: disable emerge
23:04 sapier it is, you won't get a lawyer to agree to include any gplv3 software to your product
23:04 xyz game too fast
23:04 xyz emerge can't keep up
23:04 xyz too slow
23:04 PilzAdam what do I comment out?
23:04 xyz hm, not sure, since it'll need to somehow load blocks
23:04 xyz well, no blocks == no lags
23:05 xyz sapier: yeah, it totally depends on how you use it
23:05 xyz sapier: still, my point is that you can earn money with gpl-d software
23:05 xyz it's hard, but possible
23:06 xyz i.e. dosbox turbo for android
23:07 PilzAdam I saw a world for a second!
23:07 xyz it's too fast
23:08 PilzAdam yea, you can finish the game in one second, no need to play longer
23:08 PilzAdam I wonder if I screwed up any of my worlds...
23:09 proller why developer need to play longer?
23:12 PilzAdam bye
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23:21 specing proller: status @ road?
23:22 proller wow
23:22 proller mapping..
23:23 proller http://minetest.setun.net/map.road/map-road.png
23:23 kaeza s/m/f/
23:23 proller maybe you in main mountain
23:24 specing the green means ungenerated? or just same-height land?
23:24 proller mapper bug
23:25 proller you at 30%
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23:26 specing am I ever going to break to clear at 400 height or should I make some stairs?
23:26 specing I gave up jumping on falling dirt and started smashing through
23:27 proller need to fix bed
23:27 proller top pont is.. very high
23:27 proller top point
23:27 proller and far from you
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23:28 specing so I should make stairs
23:28 pitriss Hi I want to know what means Far flag in server list? It is not mentioned in legend.
23:28 specing also... how high? 5000 heigh... or 40000 heigh?
23:28 proller more than 10000
23:29 specing ah thats still manageable
23:29 proller nobody know how much exactly
23:29 proller and where end
23:32 Peacock busy night for servers, you'd think most people would be out fridays
23:34 specing proller: is that straight line near the guy "io" @ middle a tunnel?
23:38 proller what?
23:38 test__ joined #minetest
23:38 test__ hi
23:38 proller its bridge
23:38 test__ what is the deepest mining level ?
23:41 VanessaE -30912
23:41 specing proller: ah k
23:41 test__ I have the intuition it is near infinite
23:42 VanessaE test__: it does down to -30912.
23:42 test__ wow ok thanks
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