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00:02 Exio4 how can be understanding a KEYBIND that hard
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00:40 fwilson Exio4: oh, hi, i didn't know you were in here
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00:52 Megaf will minetest server someday be a stable software?
00:56 Peacock one can always dream
01:03 kaeza define stable
01:04 Peacock lol
01:04 Peacock I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as stable, is in fact, ... :p
01:18 harrison a barn?
01:24 Peacock lol some newb killed me, then i whipped out a weapon not in the creative inventory and killed him 3 times, i haven't heard so many sorries since clinton banged that intern :p
01:32 Megaf kaeza, something that will keep running without bugs making it to stop running
01:32 Megaf now a days any stupid bug or error will just bring the server down
01:33 kaeza uh?
01:33 Megaf There is not a single minetest server with a decent uptime
01:33 kaeza I've run my server for almost 4 days straight
01:33 Megaf ohhhh?
01:33 kaeza the only time I shut it down was for backups
01:33 Megaf man, thats nothing
01:33 Megaf I got my Raspberry Pi for a month
01:34 Megaf a month of minetest server
01:34 Megaf but it was a minimal server
01:34 Megaf with even the default modules disabled
01:35 kaeza sooo... is it the engine crashing or some random mod?
01:35 Megaf both
01:36 Megaf DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD 7fe779ffb700:
01:36 Megaf #0  virtual void* EmergeThread::Thread()
01:36 VanessaE if it weren't for daily backups, my servers would probably run for at least a few days at a time also
01:36 VanessaE only a mod will crash it, and then it's the modder's fault for writing bad code.
01:36 VanessaE (usually)
01:36 Megaf and before that
01:36 Megaf In thread 7fe782563700:
01:36 Megaf /home/megaf/minetest/src/connection.cpp:1862: virtual void* con::ConnectionReceiveThread::Thread(): Assertion '0' failed.
01:36 VanessaE dude, pastebin
01:37 Megaf VanessaE, I done run my server on my home, localy
01:37 Megaf my server runs on a true server
01:37 VanessaE so does mine.
01:37 Megaf far away from me
01:37 VanessaE I pay for a dedicated server up in canada.
01:38 Megaf sometimes is not as quick or easy to copy stuff
01:38 Megaf I pay for one in London
01:38 Megaf just for minetest
01:38 Megaf I got a 8 core Xeon with more than 10 MB of upload all for minetest
01:39 fwilson o.o
01:39 Megaf and this shit still runs slow as hell and crashes all the time
01:39 fwilson nice
01:39 Megaf and its not my servers fault
01:39 Megaf tried to move to USA already
01:39 Megaf same shit
01:39 fwilson i run on a single-core P4 and have no crashes at all
01:39 fwilson from home
01:39 fwilson :\
01:40 fwilson and i'm running ~60 mods
01:40 Megaf fwilson, install some mods and you will see
01:40 fwilson ^^
01:40 fwilson :)
01:40 Megaf fwilson, do you run plantlife and homedecor?
01:40 fwilson no, but i used to
01:40 fwilson still ran fine
01:40 fwilson wait... was it plantlife or something else...
01:40 fwilson no i didn't run plantlife, i did run homedecor
01:41 VanessaE not likely to be plantlife
01:41 VanessaE that mod is quite stable
01:41 Megaf plantlife is a lib that you need for moretress and other stuff
01:41 VanessaE and homedecor's signs already got fixed, afaik.
01:41 Megaf VanessaE, actually your mods now a days are pretty stable
01:41 Megaf yes
01:41 Megaf now that connecton.cpp is causing the server to crash
01:41 fwilson that's kinda strange
01:42 Megaf perhaps something sapier did
01:43 Megaf !seen sapier
01:43 MinetestBot Megaf: sapier was last seen at 2014-01-08 23:57:50 UTC on #minetest
01:43 kaeza GDBIYF
01:44 Megaf at least my other project is doing well...
01:49 VanessaE are you using sapier's latest pull?  #1090 against clean minetest git master
01:49 VanessaE I use this on my servers.  it seems stable.
01:50 VanessaE if it proves itself, it goes to master soon
02:02 Megaf VanessaE, I update it everyday
02:02 Megaf I mean, I do a git pull at minetest folder
02:03 VanessaE I mean sapier's pull, not the master repo
02:03 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1090
02:03 Megaf I just do git pull, I assumed since I switched to it once the next time it will get the sapier's pull
02:04 Peacock well i dont know if that turkey was still good, but we'll find out soon enough
02:05 Megaf I think this broke it https://github.com/sapier/minetest/commit​/0303f3d2189c213617cec8cb9f272fe36889f64d
02:05 Megaf he indeed changed the connections.cpp file
02:05 Megaf it was working before that
02:06 VanessaE so apply his pull request to your copy and see if it helps
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03:32 blaise bas0801: herro?
03:32 bas0801 blaise?
03:33 blaise bas0801: are you the writer of the Firestone mod?
03:36 blaise bas0801: if so, I am in great appreciation of your hard work.. :)
03:37 blaise I am very much enjoying the firestone and firestone chimney
03:52 blaise bas0801: I take it you're not the author
03:52 blaise bas0801: sorry to bother you
04:17 blaise did they ever get the smoke particles working?
04:17 blaise anyone else use the firestone mod?
04:18 Peacock i just use the fire node without the abm thingy
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06:15 blaise !up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org 30000
06:15 MinetestBot midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 is up (549ms)
06:15 blaise :O
06:16 blaise that's crazy latency
06:16 blaise I've got like 50ms latency to yahoo.com so I don't think it's my connection
06:16 blaise but I've noticed people timing out on my sever..
06:17 blaise so I can't help but wonder if there is anything I can do to prevent timeouts
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06:27 blaise Miner_48er: sup
06:27 Miner_48er hi
06:31 blaise :)
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06:41 blaise !up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org 30000
06:41 MinetestBot midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 is up (257ms)
06:42 blaise well, that's better
06:43 blaise that's better, not great.. but better...
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07:05 daswort if a mod is dark green in the UI does that mean it is incompatible`
07:24 proller blaise, try freeminer for less timeouts
07:34 blaise o.O
07:34 blaise proller: ?!
07:36 blaise ah, it's a fork
07:36 blaise the thing is, I'm not the one timing out..
07:36 blaise and other people are able to maintain connections..
07:37 blaise so I haven't the foggiest idea wtf is causing it..
07:37 blaise I can only assume it's on their end.. or a bad route
07:37 Peacock you mean people laying there dead or standing up?
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08:01 blaise Peacock: I mean I see timed out messages in my server logs
08:01 Peacock for anouncing to server list?
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08:09 blaise no, for players
08:09 Peacock oh, thats normal
08:11 blaise k
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09:36 Megaf Good morning folks
09:36 Megaf And here we have today's crash http://paste.debian.net/75184/
09:36 Megaf 03:03:00: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ...st/bin/../games/minetest_gam​e/mods/default/nodes.lua:1045: attempt to index local 'fuel' (a nil value)
09:37 Megaf Now even the default mod is indexing this nil thing
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09:49 proller Megaf, try FM - it have disabled crashes ;)
09:49 VanessaE you probably removed a mod that was providing some fuel that's in a furnace somewhere nearby
09:49 VanessaE the fuel became nil
09:49 Megaf VanessaE, I disabled mobs only
09:49 Megaf perhaps someone was burning rats
09:49 VanessaE could be
09:49 VanessaE I had to fix a similar crash in homedecor's ovens
09:50 Megaf VanessaE, See? That's what's about what I said yesterday, anything stupid will bring the server down
09:50 Megaf the correct behavior would be just set nil to 0 or empty
09:51 Megaf if = nil replace with empty
09:51 VanessaE that's just it
09:51 Megaf proller, did you fix that too?
09:51 VanessaE most of the time, you can't
09:51 VanessaE if you did that, you'd never know there was an error
09:51 blaise there's a bash script I used to keep my eggdrops up.. I'm considering implementing it with a crontab entry
09:51 blaise :D
09:51 Megaf Problem is, almost all common errors generate just a nil thing
09:52 proller fm not crashes when lua error appear
09:52 Megaf There should be more things than only "nil value"
09:52 VanessaE in order for the game to detect that something has to be done with a nil, it HAS to crash first.
09:52 proller it ignore any errors, just write them to log
09:52 VanessaE otherwise the mod coder will often never see that the nil happened
09:53 VanessaE have you ever coded a mod?
09:53 Megaf sometimes a nil is not a bad thing nor a bug, its just a fuel that does not exists anymore
09:53 VanessaE Megaf: you can't just "move on" with "that nil thing"
09:54 VanessaE because 'that nil thing' has different meanings depending on context
09:54 VanessaE if you just "move on" you are guaranteed to break stuff
09:57 Megaf VanessaE, how can I help you with that "<VanessaE> I had to fix a similar crash in homedecor's ovens"
09:57 Megaf I could test it for you
09:57 Megaf in another server
10:00 VanessaE Megaf: report it as an issue on the minetest github page.
10:00 VanessaE it wasn't homedecor that I fixed, either...
10:00 VanessaE what was it..
10:00 VanessaE oh, it was in realtest I think
10:01 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/realtest_game/com​mit/36f7fa59a1e5bdfb8474215a94008e614538532c
10:01 VanessaE it was probably the wrong place to do it, but worked
10:01 VanessaE in that particular case, obviously it wasn't a fuel
10:02 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/realtest_game/com​mit/847afd2e5b634fbd0c95bada9eab9442683e26fb
10:02 VanessaE that one was the fix
10:02 VanessaE same idea
10:03 VanessaE idk if current minetest_game code needs a similar fix or not
10:03 VanessaE didn't look
10:03 kahrl VanessaE: shouldn't that be something like "if not cooked or not cooked.item or cooked.item:is_empty()"
10:04 VanessaE kahrl: probably.  it was just a quick hack to stop the crash anyway
10:05 VanessaE I seem to run the only server on the 'net that uses that game, so somehow I got roped into maintaining it :)
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10:07 blaise is there any way to get the nature pack without having to create an account on bitbucket?
10:07 VanessaE blaise: just git clone it
10:07 VanessaE but nature pack is outdated
10:08 VanessaE don't use it
10:08 blaise oh,
10:08 VanessaE use plantlife + the stuff in minetest_game
10:09 blaise VanessaE: is this outdated as well? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=607
10:10 blaise or, is there flowers in plantlife ?
10:10 blaise or flowers_plus ?
10:10 blaise :D
10:10 VanessaE minetest_game supplies flowers
10:10 blaise kewl
10:11 VanessaE and plantlife modpack adds a few other plants as well
10:16 VanessaE also that farming mod you pointed to, there's already farming in minetest_game
10:17 blaise I grabbed undergrowth and dryplants
10:17 blaise :)
10:17 VanessaE you
10:18 VanessaE oops
10:18 VanessaE you'll like those, but bear in mind they add some mapgen lag
10:18 Megaf Oh dear, that Giant Sequoia takes ages to grow
10:18 blaise during map generation?
10:19 VanessaE Megaf: they're supposed to.  that's intentional
10:19 VanessaE you can configure that
10:19 blaise lmao
10:19 VanessaE blaise: yeah
10:19 Megaf VanessaE, Yep I can
10:19 Megaf =)
10:19 blaise so I need to regenerate my map or I wont get any use out of these mods?
10:20 blaise also, pine sappling caused issues with snow
10:20 blaise I read on the forum that someone had the same issue
10:21 blaise so I'm sure the author is aware..
10:21 blaise unless he/she died or something..
10:21 * blaise hopes not..
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10:21 blaise I also modified the no_guests "mod" so no one can use the name "Admin"
10:22 blaise these attempted "Admin" login's are clogging up my server log,
10:23 VanessaE Megaf: my version already does that: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6719965/
10:23 kahrl Megaf_, VanessaE: the furnace code doesn't crash when the fuel is an unknown item
10:23 VanessaE er blaise ^^^^
10:23 kahrl it crashes when the furnace's metadata somehow loses the "fuel" inventory list
10:24 VanessaE kahrl: hm, well Megaf's problem must be a different one then.  perhaps if the cooked result .... yeah
10:24 kahrl should the furnace self-repair in such a case?
10:24 VanessaE yes
10:24 VanessaE as long as it won't cause loss of an item
10:25 blaise is there a way to get the furnace to dump into a chest or several?
10:25 blaise maybe with pipes or something?
10:25 kahrl I don't know how it would lose the inventory list in the first place, and when it does any item in the list is already lost
10:25 VanessaE blaise: pipeworks mod.
10:25 blaise excellent.
10:26 Megaf_ Why cant it just remain as a movable "unknown item?
10:26 Megaf_ blaise, VanessaE's pipeworks mod
10:26 VanessaE kahrl: I can't help but wonder:  is this a sign of some more serious, underlying problem?
10:27 kahrl perhaps
10:27 kahrl could also just be caused by some mod, though
10:28 VanessaE possibly
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10:29 VanessaE the reason I asked that though is...well, that ignore-instead-of-air issue I had on my map, this loss-of-inventory megaf had, those sudden invisible fences kaeza had (the models were nil)....
10:30 kahrl those sound pretty unrelated
10:30 VanessaE yes, but with one exception:  they're all stored in the map and they all involve something being nil'd out
10:31 VanessaE maybe three isolated cases of map corruption
10:31 kahrl the fence models aren't stored in the map, are they?
10:31 VanessaE somehow they must be
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10:32 VanessaE because some of the neighboring fence nodes were fine
10:32 VanessaE so if not the model then the reference to it anyway
10:32 kahrl since we never merged meta_set_nodedef, they can't be...
10:33 VanessaE I think they are xfences though, hence nodeboxes
10:33 VanessaE not that that matters any
10:33 kahrl unless they're entities, no
10:34 VanessaE the weird thing is, if you place a node next to the invisible one, it becomes visible and takes on its normal properties
10:34 trauerlicht bye bye
10:35 kahrl maybe just some mesh generation issue?
10:35 VanessaE if kaeza were here he'd be able to link to the screenshot of it
10:35 VanessaE no idea
10:35 VanessaE but it happens for me on his map too
10:35 kahrl do they disappear again when you remove the node you placed next to it?
10:36 VanessaE nope
10:36 kahrl hrm
10:36 VanessaE I expect simply calling nodeupdate() for the affected positions would also make the invisible nodes reappear.
10:37 Peacock memory corruption? :P
10:38 Peacock ive been getting some weird shit as well, more than usual
10:39 VanessaE Peacock: on three different servers and three different clients?  perhaps, but I tend to doubt it :)
10:39 Peacock like my shieldgen that works 99% of the time, tho yesterday i got two halves of a sphere at random positions
10:40 Peacock well if something in minetest is corrupting the memory you would get it across all clients wouldn't you?
10:40 VanessaE true
10:40 blaise wow...
10:40 Peacock i'm just at a loss to explain why things behave normally in one instance but are fucked up the next
10:40 VanessaE what?
10:41 Peacock doesn't really point to a mod code error, otherwise it would be fucked up all the time
10:41 blaise so beautiful!
10:41 blaise these new mods are awesome!
10:41 VanessaE aren't they though? :)
10:44 Megaf_ blaise, you should see my server... I use tones of VanessaE's mods
10:44 VanessaE :)
10:44 Peacock which tones exactly? pastel or? :P
10:45 Megaf_ Peacock, pastel ones, and naturals too
10:45 Peacock hehe
10:45 Megaf_ like tones of woods
10:45 Peacock karl recently proposed evening and morning woods :P
10:45 Megaf_ blaise, moretrees, plantlife, musrooms, homedecor are some of the mods from here I use
10:45 blaise do I set time_speed = 1 in world.mt ?
10:46 Peacock thats realtime :P
10:46 Megaf_ do that in minetest.conf
10:46 blaise Megaf_: I don't have one.
10:46 Megaf_ Peacock, yep, Megaf Till It Ends uses a real time setting
10:46 Peacock minetest-master/minetest.conf
10:46 blaise it's a dedicated server..
10:46 blaise can anyone set what time of day it is?
10:46 Peacock it still has a minetest.conf somewhere
10:47 blaise Peacock: no, it doesn't.
10:47 Peacock realtime is one thing, if i could find my weather script from two years ago, i could simulate the weather i have here lol
10:47 Peacock no minetest.conf, then how did you set your server_name?
10:48 blaise in world.mt
10:48 Megaf_ ok, so set that there
10:48 Megaf_ and tell us if that works
10:50 Megaf_ I wish I had a much faster internet
10:50 Megaf_ downloading a torrent at only 1.3 MB/s =/
10:51 blaise so /time 550000 is ten till 6?
10:51 Peacock faster than alot of the old shit i find lol
10:52 VanessaE 5500 would be about 5:30am
10:52 VanessaE it's decimal
10:52 blaise oh..
10:52 blaise 6000 is 6am though, right?
10:52 VanessaE yep
10:52 blaise k
10:53 VanessaE brb
10:54 Peacock could always write a time converter
10:55 Megaf_ <Peacock> faster than alot of the old shit i find lol
10:55 ShadowBot Megaf_: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/0​4/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
10:55 blaise I wanna add worldedit
10:55 Megaf_ still not fast enough when you want to download 5.4 GB
10:56 Peacock that's all? lol
10:56 Peacock X-Files = 70gb
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11:01 blaise complete M.A.S.H collection 52GB
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11:01 blaise lmao
11:02 VanessaE *sigh* I hate programmers sometimes.
11:02 Peacock mash is a bit beyond my years :P though it still played on TV growing up, i know because my mother watched it lol
11:02 Peacock which programmers?
11:02 * blaise attacks Peacock with an angry dog
11:03 VanessaE Peacock: the ones responsible for the linux kernel or Suspend to RAM, whoever it is that broke that feature on M3A770DE boards.
11:03 Peacock ah well, linux aint what it used to be :P the golden years were 06-08
11:03 Peacock then the old timers went and the younguns came in :P
11:04 blaise I'm not particularly fond of this fast moving version scheme they've got going at kernel.org
11:04 Peacock NIH, re-inventing the wheel with pulseaudio and gnome3, it's all poop now
11:04 blaise pulseaudio is the devil.
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11:04 VanessaE it has lost a lot of what used to be good about it.
11:05 blaise VanessaE: can't you roll back to the kernel that worked last?
11:05 Peacock these days win and lin are pretty much equal, both have their tradeoffs
11:05 Peacock blaise tried using an old kernel for my p4 with the fucked up vid card, don't recommend it :P
11:06 Peacock a new vid card was cheaping than the weekend or two it would have cost me to fix the problem :P
11:06 Peacock *cheaper
11:06 blaise I compile custom kernels... so it's really not a big deal.. I hardly ever use binary packages unless I need to install something like libreoffice or something disgustingly large
11:06 VanessaE I thought "well it's my motherboard that's the problem", so I bought a replacement.  No dice, it too has the same issue (it goes down for suspend, starts flashing the power light, but the OS hangs at screen+flashing cursor, then the machine suddenly powers off completely several seconds later, and usually won't resume properly (requiring me to hit reset)
11:06 VanessaE I haven't done a custom kernel in years.
11:06 VanessaE s/screen+/blank screen+/
11:07 blaise VanessaE: have you tried a tux on ice kernel ?
11:07 VanessaE tux on ice?  not familiar with that
11:07 Peacock i can't and don't compile custom kernels :P what attracted me to linux is that it had gotten simpler over the years, now that's reversing
11:07 blaise it's specific for using suspend and hybernate features
11:08 VanessaE what's this got that pm-utils et al. don't
11:08 VanessaE ?
11:09 * blaise shrugs
11:09 blaise people seem to have better luck with it.. I've never had any problems
11:09 VanessaE looks quite old, targeted at the old 2.6 series kernel
11:09 blaise I have a thinkpad 600e that suspends and hybernates just fine using vanilla sources
11:10 blaise thinkpad, vaio, and an aspire..
11:10 blaise three laptops working fine with suspend, and hybernate..
11:10 Peacock my netbook is fine but not more than 2 years old
11:10 blaise although I'll admit, I never moved to the systemd
11:10 Peacock p4, that takes a 12 pack to fix
11:11 blaise actually the thinkpad 600e is a pentium2
11:11 blaise 366MHz
11:11 blaise lmao
11:11 Peacock Mesopotamian :P
11:11 VanessaE suspend works fine on my husband's box, but not on mine.  new power supply, new(ish) motherboard, using husband's video card and CPU, RAM I know has been wrung out left right and sideways, tried with NO peripherals (not even my usual network+wireless cards), even tried booting from live USB.
11:11 VanessaE nothing works.
11:12 Peacock the ironic thing is today's netbooks very much resemble the dimensions of the laptops i had in 94-96
11:12 blaise hrmm....
11:12 Peacock though now i havew 250gb rather than 300-400mb lol
11:12 VanessaE it just.  will.  not.  resume.  (usually)
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11:12 john_minetest Hello everypony!
11:12 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GshEzAUVcvQ
11:13 Peacock i bet filing bug reports for that is loads of fun :P
11:13 kahrl VanessaE: tuxonice's latest patches are for 3.10.23 and 3.12.4
11:13 Peacock "well suspend/resume works fine on my machine so you must be doing something wrong" *closes bug report* lol
11:13 blaise in the boot loader it's usually esential that there be a kernel perameter that points to your swap partition .. aka resume=/dev/sda3
11:13 Peacock alot of ppl dont use swap anymore
11:14 Peacock they have ridiculous amounts of ram they never use up
11:14 blaise some people even mkswap a whole seperate partition just for hybernation
11:14 blaise I've never had any issues with it
11:14 Peacock though honestly, computers now boot up so fast, what do you need hibernation for? so long as you configure startup to launch all the apps you need
11:15 john_minetest I mkswap'd /dev/sda2 but I never used it.
11:15 VanessaE no swap here.  16GB of DDR1333 RAM (that my board seems quite happy to auto-overclock to DDR1600)
11:15 john_minetest 12 GB here
11:15 blaise if you have the acpi package installed you should be able to acpi -V to get all acpi information on the machine via sudo or the root console
11:15 Peacock well hibernation might be tricky without swap :P last i heard it saves the computer's state to swap unless thats changed
11:16 Peacock acpi is fucked up on my p4 lol
11:16 blaise VanessaE: swap partition is imparative to being able to hybernate..
11:16 VanessaE Peacock: suspend/resume takes 1-2 seconds on a properly designed system.  booting takes 20-30 seconds from power-on to fully ready on even the fastest SSD's.
11:16 VanessaE blaise: not hibernate -- suspend.
11:16 VanessaE suspend to RAM.
11:16 VanessaE husband's machine has no swap either.
11:16 blaise suspend to ram is activated via acpi mechanics..
11:16 VanessaE yes?
11:17 blaise so, it does go into suspend.. and then just shuts down the rest of the way?
11:18 blaise does the cpufreq scaling work?
11:18 VanessaE well the command does.
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11:18 VanessaE I have a script set to put the CPU scheduler into performance mode when it comes up
11:19 john_minetest Boot splash is 10 seconds + for me.
11:19 VanessaE wait
11:19 john_minetest Stupid efi should go home.
11:19 john_minetest Bios is cooler.
11:19 Peacock takes about 10 seconds on most of my rigs too
11:20 VanessaE "no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU"
11:20 Peacock efi was designed for rootkits, which was a pretty big thing :P
11:20 VanessaE odd.
11:20 john_minetest Boot splash on my (extremely slow) laptop takes 2 seconds.
11:20 john_minetest BIOS.
11:20 kahrl dunno why they needed to create a new OS when they designed efi, could've just used emacs
11:20 VanessaE wait, wtf?
11:20 john_minetest Efi on my 4core i7 4th gen takes 10 seconds
11:20 john_minetest kahrl: efi lacks an easy-to-use text editor.
11:20 john_minetest *emacs
11:20 VanessaE my cpu freq governor doesn't work?
11:21 VanessaE when did that break?
11:21 Peacock yeah but with emacs you get RMS, so get your lube ready lol
11:21 blaise VanessaE: what linux distro are you using?
11:22 VanessaE blaise: Xubuntu 12.04
11:22 * blaise runs away screaming
11:22 Peacock try archbang or crunchbang
11:22 VanessaE now now
11:22 VanessaE I use Debian 7 on my server.
11:22 john_minetest try gentoo ;P Or make your own distro, that is simpler than gentoo.
11:22 VanessaE I just use ubuntu at home so I don't have to argue as much :)
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11:23 john_minetest ubuntu? RMS will come with his katanas because it sends data to amazon ;P
11:23 Peacock lol if i ever have to make my own distro just to get working linux, ill go running back to win lol
11:23 VanessaE john_minetest: I said Xubuntu.
11:23 VanessaE not ubuntu.
11:23 VanessaE as in xfce, not unity.
11:23 blaise :)
11:23 VanessaE fuck unity straight up the ass with a rusty pipe.
11:24 VanessaE and NO lube.
11:24 Peacock unity is more or less gnome3
11:24 blaise I use fluxbox as my x env
11:24 Peacock unity and gnome3 take turns banging people lol
11:24 blaise it's nice and minimalistic.. low mem footprint for gaming..
11:24 john_minetest http://xkcd.com/225/
11:24 john_minetest <VanessaE> I just use ubuntu at home [...]
11:25 john_minetest Then must have been a typo
11:25 Peacock archbang uses... wtf
11:25 Peacock something box
11:25 VanessaE john_minetest: [01-09 06:22] <VanessaE> blaise: Xubuntu 12.04
11:25 Peacock blackbox or openbox
11:25 john_minetest archlinux uses CLI.
11:25 VanessaE so yeah, typo on the second line.
11:25 john_minetest And the user can decide.
11:25 Peacock i said archbang :P
11:25 Peacock arch might as well be freebsd
11:26 blaise eh,
11:26 Peacock i had enough of the cli in the late 80s and early 90s lol
11:26 blaise Peacock: I guess you didn't like pacman very much?
11:26 Peacock geeks today might think its the hottest shit, but thats because they didn't live through a period where that's all there was :P
11:26 blaise I did..
11:27 john_minetest I am using openbox + razor-qt atm
11:27 john_minetest there is arch hurd
11:27 john_minetest Not sure if also a bsd.
11:27 john_minetest And there is archlinuxarm
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11:27 Peacock pacman was ok, but dependency resolution/ordering is shit for upgrades
11:27 blaise hurd is the GNU kernel + gnu userland
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11:27 john_minetest WTF?!?
11:27 Peacock screw GNU lol
11:27 VanessaE ok, screw it.
11:27 kahrl you type too fast for the bot!
11:27 john_minetest * You have been kicked from #minetest by ShadowBot (Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.)
11:27 blaise lmao
11:27 * VanessaE burns 13.10 to USB and installs it.
11:28 john_minetest And it kicked me 1 minute after I said that.
11:28 john_minetest what the...
11:28 blaise I use gentoo based distro's
11:28 VanessaE (good thing 99.9% of my system install is scripted)
11:28 Peacock gentoo means compiling everything right?
11:28 VanessaE Peacock: almost.
11:28 blaise yeah..
11:28 Peacock yeah, my liquor store ain't that big
11:28 VanessaE and it still takes three days to install :)
11:29 blaise I can get gentoo installed in 10 min on modern hardware
11:29 john_minetest blaise: I once tried gentoo. I once tried to make my own distro. The own distro worked perfectly. Never got gentoo installed properly.
11:29 VanessaE every so often I play with the idea of going back to gentoo.
11:29 xiong Is $ minetestserver --config <file> a repeatable option or can it accept multiple values?
11:29 VanessaE then the visions of racing stripes and "Type-R" stickers fade and I come to my senses ;)
11:29 blaise john_minetest: always test the waters with a virtual machine..
11:29 kahrl xiong: no
11:30 blaise VanessaE: lmao
11:30 xiong Alternately, does the acceptable syntax allow for includes?
11:30 blaise I just like having the option of the latest and greatest..
11:30 blaise and it keeps me on my toes as far as software dep tree's and what needs what
11:30 Peacock gentoo: when you wish free as in beer actually meant just free beer :P
11:30 kahrl xiong, not either
11:31 blaise although that libpng malarchy a while back was a bit of a pita
11:31 xiong kahrl, Has anyone asked these types of questions previously?
11:31 VanessaE I hate beer :P
11:31 kahrl dunno
11:31 kahrl not me anyway
11:31 VanessaE blaise: the worst for me was when poppler was a problem.
11:31 john_minetest http://xkcd.com/228/
11:31 xiong Thanks, kahrl. I guess we'll add this to the todo list.
11:31 VanessaE I forget what it conflicted with but it and the other thing each basically wanted to dominate half of portage.
11:31 john_minetest blaise: gentoo was the first linux distro I tried to install.
11:32 VanessaE john_minetest: trial by fire? ;)
11:32 blaise VanessaE: yeah, that one was another headache.. XD took me about 2 hours..
11:32 Peacock re pacman, i dont mind pacman so much, its half the useful shit being in aur and most of the helpers being difficult to install through pacman ironically lol
11:32 kahrl xiong: the problem is that minetest(server) must be able to rewrite the config file
11:32 blaise john_minetest: mine was slackware.. in the early 90's .. I ran a BBS back then on win3.11fwg
11:32 VanessaE ok here goes. be back in an while.
11:32 blaise and powerbbs for win
11:32 VanessaE not that this is gonna do any good.
11:33 xiong Right. Which is another reason you want multiple files; so the parts that the executable writes on its own are kept separate from the rest.
11:33 Peacock i guess V's computer finally suspended :P
11:33 blaise Peacock: you didn't use ABS ?
11:33 Peacock abs? naw, packer came with archbang
11:34 Peacock though that stopped working, and you couldn't get yaourt through pacman either then
11:34 blaise AUR is the user repo.. ABS is the build system
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11:34 VanessaE actually, strike that.
11:34 blaise yaourt is stale as all get out..
11:34 VanessaE I am NOT gonna update.
11:34 blaise VanessaE: lmao
11:34 Peacock i dont know the specifics of arch or archbang :P i just liked that it used less CPU than most of the distros
11:34 VanessaE I just remembered why I went back to 12.04.
11:34 Peacock (for the p4 that counts)
11:35 VanessaE because 13.10 uses NFS4 which fucking sucks ass.
11:35 blaise nfs4 ?
11:35 blaise you mean cifs. right?
11:35 Peacock wat no btrfs? :P
11:35 blaise Peacock: we're talking about network filesystems
11:35 VanessaE no, I mean NFS.
11:36 blaise VanessaE: why don't you use network block devices ?
11:36 blaise it's a lot faster than nfs
11:36 VanessaE because I've been using NFS for years, so force of habit.
11:36 VanessaE at least I already know how to use it, etc.
11:36 VanessaE nfsv4 is shit.
11:36 blaise heh
11:36 VanessaE slowest thing I've ever dealt with
11:37 blaise I use sshfs if I'm going over untrusted networks
11:37 VanessaE this is just for sharing between my PC and my husband's
11:37 blaise other than that it's nbd kernel module with an fstab line
11:37 VanessaE for making backups, sharing our music library, etc.
11:38 blaise indeed.
11:38 VanessaE I can't guarantee both machines will always be up, so nfs + autofs
11:38 xiong Actually, kahrl; the longer I think about that, the worse it sounds. The client writes to minetest.conf when user fiddles in the GUI. But when does 'minetestserver' ever write out, and why?
11:43 Peacock i prefer cellos in the GUI
11:43 xiong Funny, Peacock. But I can't think of a reason for the server to write to minetest.conf.
11:46 Peacock ah well consider yourself lucky, it used  to overwrite settings :P
11:47 john_minetest blaise: My first distro I ever used was opensuse but I was very young back then and I just played kgoldrunner and lbreakout.
11:48 john_minetest It was on my first own PC
11:48 Peacock opensuse sounds dirty in french so i haven't touched it lol
11:48 Peacock it roughly translates to openBJs
11:48 john_minetest Then I got a laptop with win7, then one on which I installed (at least tried to install) gentoo, switchet to sabayon, switched to arch, both laptops died, arch on my new PC.
11:49 john_minetest (one is only semi-dead)
11:49 Peacock oddly enough the mobo on my last netbook died when i had arch on it
11:51 john_minetest Well, it is the screen on both laptops.
11:51 john_minetest One might be the graphics.
11:51 john_minetest But the other one (semi-dead) is the connection to the screen.
11:51 john_minetest I think I will make my own distro. Really annoying to have distros without proper docs and not knowing how to do stuff.
11:52 john_minetest When I do it myself I at least know how it works and I can document it.
11:53 Peacock what linux needs is an old-style soviet purge of all the superfluous distros and focus its efforts on a few good ones lol
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11:57 blaise john_minetest: I used suse before they were aquired by novel
11:58 blaise I've come across an issue with this new map I generated after installing all these mods
11:58 VanessaE ?
11:59 blaise I have no snowy area's
11:59 VanessaE that's normal
11:59 VanessaE mapgen mods can only generate in new land
11:59 VanessaE they can't re-generate land you've already explored
11:59 VanessaE you have to start a new world or delete your existing map file to force it to start over
12:00 blaise I did.
12:00 VanessaE odd
12:00 VanessaE snow mod must be doing something wrong then
12:00 VanessaE I have heard some compatibility issues from it lately
12:00 blaise :\
12:00 * blaise sobs quietly in the corner
12:01 VanessaE however,
12:01 VanessaE it will add snow over time
12:01 * blaise cheers up a bit
12:01 VanessaE I think
12:01 blaise I hope so
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12:02 Peacock hactually
12:02 Peacock you could tweak paramat's mods to regenerate land
12:02 Peacock voxmynips is voxmynips, whether you use it in ongen or some other function
12:02 VanessaE impossible.  the engine doesn't re-run on-gen hooks.
12:03 VanessaE well
12:03 VanessaE I guess not impossible
12:03 VanessaE but I guess you'd have to tell it exactly where to regenerate
12:03 Peacock well that's as complex as WE
12:03 Peacock so it's doable
12:04 Peacock but the noise values don't change between ongen and whatever other function you call it from afterwards
12:05 VanessaE true
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12:07 Peacock the trick is basically taking all the stuff in ongen and placing it in a separate function you can call from both ongen and other places
12:07 Yepoleb Is there a way to modify the frame time of animated textures?
12:08 Peacock yeah theres a length param i think
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12:09 Yepoleb How can I set it?
12:09 Peacock uhm, look at lava flowing or water flowing, it should be in there (in default/nodes.lua)
12:10 Yepoleb I want to include it in a texture pack
12:11 john_minetest blaise: I used it in... 2005 or 2006.
12:11 Peacock well you can't affect the length of an animation from a texture pack
12:11 Peacock thats set in the nodedef
12:12 john_minetest blaise: * opensusse
12:13 john_minetest But it somehow put files anywhere without real structure. I don't think it really followed the standards
12:13 Yepoleb So I need to remove frames from the animation to slow it down?
12:18 kahrl xiong: when you use /set it changes the settings on the server
12:19 blaise john_minetest: it used rpm.. rpm doesn't follow standards
12:19 blaise which was why I didn't like redhat
12:19 john_minetest I didn't have internet back then
12:19 john_minetest So package management was not really important
12:20 blaise I had a fractional T-1 and  a few multi-io serial boards, and about 600 external zoom modems..
12:20 blaise trying to become an ISP
12:20 blaise back in the day
12:20 blaise then AOL and Prodigy came out and squashed my hopes and dreams
12:21 blaise $5/m 50MB quota, unlimited connect..
12:21 * blaise sobs profusely
12:22 blaise I just couldn't compete with those massive bastards
12:22 blaise I hate capitalism
12:23 Peacock meh, i ran a UPS shop, that lead to a bankruptcy lol
12:23 Peacock shit happens
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13:20 sfan5 hi everyone
13:21 VanessaE hi
13:23 john_minetest hi sfan5
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13:51 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Set locale properly when built without gettext support 10fdbf7375 2014-01-09T05:46:02-08:00 http://git.io/58NYyQ
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14:36 VanessaE sapier: so.... about mobf
14:36 VanessaE so I re-enable it for yet another try?
14:36 VanessaE do*
14:36 VanessaE and tempt fate
14:37 sapier the bugfix is in master git by now only
14:37 VanessaE or do I leave my server deader than 4 o'clock? :)
14:37 sapier I'm about to release a bugfix 2.3.6 this weekend
14:37 troller фтв ше ыешдд тще цщклы,
14:37 VanessaE I run from your git repo anyway
14:37 troller and mobf still not works?
14:37 VanessaE troller: um, wut?
14:37 Exio4 john_minetest: what cpu
14:38 sapier I guess it'll never work as it's not a worker
14:38 john_minetest Exio4: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz
14:38 Exio4 you only have four cores
14:39 john_minetest Oh, and compiling is 35 seconds.
14:39 sapier troller your bugs should be fixed in git too
14:39 john_minetest I have four cores but 8 threads
14:39 VanessaE the one my server uses registers as 4 cores of "Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2130 CPU @ 3.40GHz"
14:39 specing does minetest even retry conencting at "connecting to server..."?
14:39 VanessaE (and it performs like it, too)
14:39 Exio4 intel cores = amazing, intel "hyperthreaded cores" = shitty shit
14:40 Exio4 VanessaE: it is a dual core + hyperthreading
14:40 Exio4 two powerful threads next to do shit threads
14:40 troller MOBF: Too many 6 vombie at one place dying: false
14:40 VanessaE Exio4: perhaps, but it seems to work quite well and actually that's just about right for my workload
14:40 troller 18:40:15: ERROR[ServerThread]: invalid startposIndex: (11,5,5)Realpos: (256,1342,671)
14:41 john_minetest Hmmm... Okay, the -j setting doesn't change much.
14:41 john_minetest -j4 is 0m39.251s, -j8 is 35 secs
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14:41 sapier do you have pathfinding enabled troller?
14:41 sapier I didabled it for good reason ;-) it's using way more cpu power then expected
14:41 Exio4 -j5 -j6 -j7 -j8
14:41 Exio4 try them
14:42 troller sapier, all defaults
14:43 troller MOBF: Your mob ostrich_f table: 0x241e1e28 dropt into water moving to (3294.710938,98.300002,-17.181990) state: drop
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14:43 sapier are you sure this is default setting?
14:44 troller mobf_animal_spawning_secondary",true
14:45 sapier ok I missed to lower the the water drop message
14:47 sapier I guess the to many message isn't relevant for users too
14:48 sapier ok the two mobf warnings should be gone now too
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14:50 sapier I'm gonna have a look if I can avoid the pathfinding message too, but that might be more tricky
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14:51 troller 2 hyperthreaded cores == 1.8 hardware cores
14:51 sapier depends on what you're doing
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15:01 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
15:01 john_minetest hey PilzAdam
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15:49 specing troller: would you have anything against tnt throwing stacks of 99 instead of individual drops?
15:51 troller nothing, better to stack all and drop stacked all from explode
16:06 troller server created 22 hours ago and..  3339 players visited, (1800 of therm Guest*)
16:09 specing ....
16:22 john_minetest bots
16:22 john_minetest :P
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16:30 ShadowNinja john_minetest: You lagged and sent a bunch of messages at a time, ShadowBot kicked you within a second.
16:32 john_minetest ShadowNinja: Ah,ok
16:34 john_minetest Just discussing code style on another channel. If I have "folder/include.h" the one I am talking to wants to include it with   #include <include.h> instead of #include "folder/include.h". He thinks it is cross-platform because it compiles. On MSVC.
16:35 ShadowNinja Hah.
16:40 xyz you just set include paths correctly
16:42 MinetestBot GIT: jeija@mesecons.net commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Remove command block until #136 is fixed 3f76b77001 2014-01-09T08:39:59-08:00 http://git.io/NbjMhA
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16:54 ShadowNinja Good thing I don't have the commandblock enabled...
16:55 john_minetest xyz: It is not very common to set include paths.
16:55 xyz yeah sure
16:56 xyz that's like saying "it's not very common to make sure code compiles"
16:57 PilzAdam its not very common to code
16:58 john_minetest It is like saying: "If the toilet doesn't work since it got shit from microsoft in it I simply use a firehose."  It would be better to make proper shit that works for M$ AND all other toilets by default.
16:58 ShadowNinja That could be fixed by running everything as the placer and replacing ${nearest} and the like in the params.
16:59 john_minetest Then you can flush and don't need the firehose.
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17:14 Jeija If you are a server owner and you run mesecons, please update it immediately.
17:17 VanessaE already did it
17:18 Jeija good
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17:21 Robby can I safely use moreores without conflict? I see that it also adds gold and copper, which are already in the game
17:22 Robby I guess when that mod was created in 2011 gold and copper were not in the default game so this wasn't a problem...but now?
17:22 john_minetest Jeija: Hey! :D
17:23 Jeija Hi john_minetest
17:23 Calinou Robby, moreores is pretty dead
17:23 Robby o
17:23 Calinou feel free not to use it
17:23 PilzAdam Calinou, move it to old mods then?
17:23 Robby okay :P
17:23 Calinou done, PilzAdam ^_^
17:23 kaeza Calinou, why is it pretty dead? :(
17:24 Calinou because it has no real use
17:24 kaeza it's still being widely used
17:24 Calinou we have enough ores in the default game now
17:24 Calinou you can still download it
17:25 kaeza but...but...mithril...
17:25 Robby yea
17:25 Robby and tin
17:25 kaeza (and silver)
17:25 Robby and silver
17:25 Robby :D
17:25 john_minetest We have too many ores ingame imo. And bones are annoying.
17:25 john_minetest Bones were one of the things that was better in minetest than in minecraft.
17:25 john_minetest Losing all items somewhere sucks
17:25 Calinou john_minetest, it's already an ore-gasm :3
17:25 Robby lol
17:26 kaeza hah
17:26 Robby ore-gy
17:26 Robby :P
17:26 Calinou the bad thing of bones is, they are still placed when player dies with no items
17:26 Calinou and when player dies with 1 item only, the item should be just dropped
17:26 john_minetest Calinou: I think losing items at death by default is bad at all.
17:26 john_minetest It should be not in minetest_game.
17:27 Robby Calinou: how about moreblocks? also dead?
17:27 john_minetest Moreblocks lives iirc.
17:28 Robby also, how about updating moreores to remove gold and copper and just keep the ones that aren't in the default game?
17:28 john_minetest I don't even know who created it.
17:28 VanessaE moreblocks, dead?  hardly.
17:29 john_minetest Yeah. The stonesquares are still one of the best blocks in the game.
17:29 john_minetest Good-looking cobble ;P
17:29 Robby VanessaE: the reason I'm asking about both mods actually is because I just added your homedecor mod :P
17:29 Robby and I see both are listed as recommended
17:29 john_minetest Homedecor is really nice.
17:30 VanessaE moreores is still needed because I use the tin that's in it.
17:30 VanessaE (the fridge needs it)
17:30 Robby yeah, but how does moreores behave nowadays? (now that there is gold and copper in the game already)
17:30 VanessaE behaves fine afaic.s
17:30 Robby does it conflict? or not? or do I need to edit the lua files or anything
17:30 VanessaE afaics.
17:30 Robby oh
17:30 VanessaE nope
17:30 VanessaE just install and go.
17:31 Robby great
17:31 Robby :)
17:31 Calinou Robby, More Blocks is still alive, and fine
17:31 Calinou it has a real use
17:31 Calinou cool decorations ^_^
17:31 john_minetest Homedecor is quite old. I remember it being on globis' server.... Good old times... :D
17:31 john_minetest Still one of the best mods.
17:31 Calinou john_minetest, I created moreblocks/moreores/maptools
17:31 Robby k, I'll be adding that too :P
17:33 rubenwardy Hi all
17:34 john_minetest Hey rubenwardy
17:35 xyz sfan5: how do I build minetest with leveldb for windows?
17:39 Robby Calinou: moreblocks is throwing some error in the console
17:39 Robby Could not load image "invisible.png" while building texture
17:40 Robby I see that image is referenced from here: moreblocks/init.lua:       inventory_image = "invisible.png",
17:40 john_minetest Does that mean, that the invisible part can't be displayed?
17:40 Calinou oh
17:40 Calinou I think it's a definition that is no longer needed
17:41 Calinou Robby, normally fixed
17:41 Calinou try to re-download the mod again
17:41 Robby ok ty, I'll git pull
17:41 Calinou that works too :)
17:47 Robby yeah, its fixed now :) thanks
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17:53 ShadowNinja Jeija: I submitted a pull to fix #136.  Also: Long time, no see.  Welcome back.  :-)
17:53 ShadowNinja https://github.com/Jeija/min​etest-mod-mesecons/pull/137
17:55 Jeija ShadowNinja: Wouldn't really prefer that possibility
17:56 Jeija Well, now not so sure that I look at it...
17:56 ShadowNinja Jeija: Also, textures should be moved out of mesecons_textures and into the individual mods, you have to enable the parts and mesecons textures, which makes the server load all of the textures rather than just what's needed.
17:56 Jeija Can you still /teleport like some other player to another position?
17:57 ShadowNinja Do you mean "@nearest", "teleport", "1,2,3"?
17:57 ShadowNinja (That becomes "teleport", "@nearest 1,2,3")
17:57 Jeija yeah or "playerxy" "teleport" "1,2,3"
17:58 ShadowNinja Yep, just have to move things around.
17:58 Jeija is it compatible with older versions?
18:00 ShadowNinja Well, the commands will always run on the placer, so it might not work as expected until you add @nearest or similar to the parameters, and you will have to dig and replace it for the new formspec, but there isn't a different node or anything like that.
18:00 Jeija I'm still not sure
18:01 Jeija I'd say that is something uberi as the creator of the command block should decide
18:01 ShadowNinja Got any better ideas?
18:01 Jeija I won't interfer in his decision as long as it is secure
18:02 ShadowNinja Well, that could be a while, but I guess we can wait.
18:02 Jeija Well, didn't Uberi already have something in his code that if the command block wants to execute a command that the placer did not have the priv for, it wouldn't do it?
18:02 ShadowNinja /monitor + Uberi :-)
18:03 Jeija Do you know why it didn't work?
18:03 ShadowNinja Yes, but it doesn't work if the command checks privs itself, like /grant, because the privs are checked as the placer and the command is run as @nearest, or whatever you specify.
18:03 sfan5 xyz: http://sfan5.pf-control.de​/libleveldb-1.12-win32.zip
18:04 Jeija ? But if the placer does not have a specific priv, why did it still execute it as @nearest? Shouldn't it just abort execution?
18:07 ShadowNinja GTG
18:07 Jeija bb
18:07 xyz sfan5: i need sauce
18:08 sfan5 xyz: https://github.com/bitcoin/bi​tcoin/tree/master/src/leveldb
18:08 sfan5 contains windows sources that do not use boost
18:08 xyz ok, cool
18:09 xyz hope it works with msvc and is not too broken
18:09 sfan5 the version I compiled works perfectly
18:09 sfan5 tested it myself
18:12 sfan5 oh fuck logic, deluge downloads things it isn't supposed to dl
18:13 sfan5 0.00% on every file it should dl
18:13 sfan5 and already 0.66% on the one it shouldn't
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18:18 Robby VanessaE: a friend of mine is interested in the Chains item but the crafting guide has 4 unknown items
18:19 Robby ......and I just noticed there's an alternate recipe button :)
18:21 Robby and also what seems to be missing... glooptest
18:21 Robby might wanna add that to the recommended section of the home decor thread :p
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19:10 zat Damn!! Both moretrees and tiny trees are slow as &%%$#...
19:11 zat Isn't there any light mod for trees?
19:11 meldrian what's tiny trees?
19:11 meldrian don't know this so fare
19:11 meldrian -e
19:13 sfan5 !g tiny trees mod site:forum.minetest.n et
19:13 MinetestBot sfan5: No results found for 'tiny trees mod site:forum.minetest.n et'.
19:13 sfan5 !g tiny trees mod site:forum.minetest.net
19:13 MinetestBot sfan5: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5713
19:14 sfan5 ^ meldrian; this one
19:14 meldrian i love this bot
19:15 meldrian well, it's moretrees with smaller trees then?
19:18 VanessaE not exactly
19:18 VanessaE but the idea is similar
19:22 * rubenwardy is getting weird errors with
19:22 VanessaE ?
19:22 * rubenwardy is getting weird errors with SDL_RenderCopy
19:25 zat My world has bunches of v6 jungles, zero issues.
19:25 zat I enable moretrees or trees and they spend about 60% of processing time.
19:25 zat There must be a serious issue with either both mods or plants_lib.
19:26 Calinou mods that do world generation are slow
19:26 VanessaE plants_lib has to evaluate the terrain manually.  the hard way.
19:26 Calinou generation should be done in C++...
19:27 VanessaE because there is no proper API call that says "give me a list of all nodes of type X that have air above them"
19:27 VanessaE (e.g. "give me all surfaces of type X")
19:27 VanessaE that's the single biggest CPU hogging piece of code in plants_lib and I made it as fast as I possibly could
19:32 sapier Calinou if you could use async api and voxelmanip mods could do generation independent of main server loop thus not causing lag
19:32 Calinou but, can you?
19:33 sapier almost
19:33 xyz you almost can, but the problem is that you can't
19:33 sapier async api is in core as of 0.4.9 but not enabled for scriptapi right now ... most api calls can't be done async therfor it's use is limited
19:34 sapier and noone wanted to take the risk for upcoming release
19:34 blaise my minetest server crashed, and this is the last entry.. 18:40:02: ERROR[ServerThread]: Server: Drag0n233: Failed to emerge player (player allocated to an another client)
19:34 blaise what does that mean?
19:34 sapier that one shouldn't crash server
19:34 xyz nothing
19:34 xyz provide a stacktrace
19:35 blaise interesting.
19:35 sapier calinou if you're interested in using voxelmanip in async this can be added quite fast, but you can't use most of lua api within a async call
19:35 blaise xyz: if it means nothing, why should I provide a strace
19:36 xyz blaise: exactly because what you provided means nothing and doesn't explain the crash
19:37 sapier what version do you run blaise?
19:41 proller i can reduce 100->50 online minetest players in one keypress! ahahaha
19:43 Calinou what to do about "Guest" players in the default game?
19:43 Calinou will they be removed?
19:44 EvergreenTree !g no_guest site:forum.minetest.net
19:44 MinetestBot EvergreenTree: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8168
19:44 EvergreenTree nlah
19:45 EvergreenTree *blah
19:45 Calinou EvergreenTree, I know about that
19:45 Calinou but I mean, in the default game...
19:45 Calinou the Guest people usually idle, or do pointless things
19:45 VanessaE bbl
19:45 EvergreenTree Once, someone was afk at spawn on VE's server, and he picked up some stuff me an cheapie were trading
19:46 EvergreenTree we couldn't get them back because of him
19:48 zat Well, if plants_lib is so slow because of that I dont see why the issue hasnt been fixed already.
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21:14 john_minetest I don't think that I can concentrate with that on my wall so I let it be: http://cdn.memegenerator.net​/instances/500x/44704540.jpg
21:17 kaeza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWZLa4AnN5k
21:17 sfan5 !title
21:17 MinetestBot sfan5: Xbox One Sign Out Trolling - YouTube
21:18 john_minetest http://cdn.memegenerator.net​/instances/500x/44704658.jpg
21:19 sfan5 ahahahaha
21:20 xyz i'm afraid you're applying to the wrong job
21:21 sfan5 ^
21:24 john_minetest It is some kind of an insider. We had classifieds in english lesson just to show how that looks like and how to apply and stuff. And one requirement was "MS Office skills" - MANDATORY!!!
21:24 john_minetest Other computer skills were secondary  *facepalm* m(
21:25 PilzAdam bye
21:25 Peacock john powerpoint skills are essential, how else is management supposed to understand anything with little pictures? :P
21:26 Peacock *without
21:26 ShadowNinja Heh, we don't care it you can code your own office suite, you need to know MS Office. :-)
21:26 sfan5 john_minetest: >other compiuter skills were secondary
21:26 sfan5 this is why http://reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport exists
21:27 Peacock but what would be the point of coding another office suite? we have enough incompatible formats :p
21:27 sfan5 computer*
21:27 * sfan5 goes to sleep
21:28 * Peacock suspends sfan5 to ram
21:28 Jordach mmmmmmm
21:28 sfan5 I won't fit onto the two 128M ram sticks I have here D:
21:28 * sfan5 suspends to HDD
21:28 Peacock they still make those?
21:29 Peacock its damn near impossible finding sticks for my old p4 now lol
21:29 Peacock well i can find it online, but having worked for UPS, i dont trust those guys lol
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22:17 proller http://minetest.setun.net/map.road/map-road.png - whats next?
22:44 fwilson proller: o.o how'd you do that?
22:45 proller what?
22:45 fwilson the map
22:45 proller five years ob building
22:45 fwilson no, how'd you generate the map image :P
22:47 xyz five years of pixel art, of course
22:47 xyz there's minetestmapper.py in '
22:47 xyz 'util' directory
22:48 proller .c
22:48 proller btw need update node colors
22:48 proller of ice,snow, ...
22:49 proller http://paste.org.ru/?lcktas
22:49 proller its faster than write new imager
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23:22 xyz 4 hours of autism and the result http://i.imgur.com/liMy6pk.png
23:22 xyz completely static build
23:22 Hirato even glibc? :3c
23:23 blaise hey, how do I make them die if there are too many? 23:22:33: ACTION[ServerThread]: MOBF: Too many 6 vombie at one place dying: false
23:23 xyz i no glibc on windows
23:23 xyz full msvc autism
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23:23 xyz with /mt, /md, directx sdk, patches to irrlicht's zlib and shit
23:23 blaise I believe this may decrease my server load/latency
23:24 xyz still not all dependencies integrated
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23:29 john_minetest http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff200/fv00170.htm
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23:59 sapier blaise: if you get that message one is dieing right then
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