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00:02 VanessaE bbl
00:09 Peacock is there a limit on time for minetest.after? (can i use 5 minutes)
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00:16 ShadowNinja Peacock: There is the limit on the size of a lua_Number, which is a double, or almost a 64-bit number.  But as long as the server stays up for that period it's practically unlimited.
00:17 Peacock i just want to poll player positions and ban/unban (kick) people who idle in the same spot for say 5 minutes, though i could do that with either after or server globalstep
00:18 ShadowNinja Peacock: You shouldn't check it every five minutes, you should check it every few seconds.
00:18 ShadowNinja (Definitely a thing for globalstep)
00:18 Peacock every few seconds, isn't that a bit harsh? lol
00:19 Peacock i only want to match their position from five minutes ago, if they haven't moved in that much time, then boot them lol
00:19 iqualfragile Peacock: i think he meant check every fex secs and then count up as long as they do not move
00:20 Peacock ah well, if they've moved, what are the chances they went back to the exact some spot?
00:20 Peacock *same
00:21 iqualfragile Peacock: not high at all, best would be to check with half the frequency you want to kick
00:21 zat I sometimes leave my character idling for five minutes while I go buy/eat something.
00:22 zat I would not like being kicked for that.
00:22 iqualfragile so if you want to kick 5-minute idlers you need to check every 2.5 minutes
00:22 iqualfragile zat: why not? you can just rejoin
00:22 Peacock zat, if your server's got 15 slots, do you want 3-4 of those taken up by people who aren't doing anything?
00:22 zat What if I kick you from a IRC channel for idling, you can just rejoin.
00:23 zat that is a different issue
00:23 Peacock well if you were in charge of said channel that would be your prerogative
00:23 zat however if I am kicked for idling five minutes I wont ever play on such server.
00:23 zat again
00:23 Peacock well my problem isn't a lack of players, it's being at capacity with some doing nothing, so i wouldn't mind if the idlers swore never to come back lol
00:24 Peacock minetest players: 80% griefers, 15% do nothings, 5% serious builders lol gotta make room for the serious builders
00:25 kaeza no matter what you do, someone will complain
00:25 Peacock that, i've noticed lol
00:25 zat Did you know that 90% of statistics on a chat are made up?
00:26 Peacock well i could track some real stats on my server if you want, they'll bare out my observations, though i doubt you'd be satisfied either way
00:27 kaeza someone even complained about not allowing guest accounts :|
00:27 Peacock kaeza hell i got people going "im bored"... but you're not building anything ?! lol
00:28 zat Peacock: what I said was a joke.
00:28 zat check it again.
00:29 Peacock joke or not, i'm not pulling figures out of my ass :P
00:29 Peacock i had to enable requireclaim from landrush to force people to be a little more serious lol
00:30 Peacock kaeza though i got a handy way of dealing with complaints: i didn't create a server thread :p
00:31 kaeza ha
00:31 Peacock hiding the ingame chat helps too :p
00:32 Peacock besides, you normally have to be paying customer to get customer service
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00:33 fwilson zat: 70% of all statistics are about potatoes
00:33 fwilson :P
00:33 Peacock then what you do call the irish potato famine? :P
00:33 zat eh
00:34 fmcd if you remove a mod.. is there a way to purge any objects belonging to it out of an existing world db?
00:34 kaeza fmcd, clean mod
00:35 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2777
00:35 fmcd got it. thanks
00:35 kaeza either that, or some SQL magick
00:35 kaeza :P
00:35 fmcd i want to remove the mod that does the 2d cows..
00:35 fmcd i'm not sure which one it was
00:36 fmcd it there a way to get info on an object you see in the game
00:36 fmcd like when you have it highlighted
00:37 kaeza if you remove the mod that defines it, it spews the entity name in chat (and console) when the object is activated
00:37 fmcd hmm ok
00:37 kaeza or you can punch one of such objects and the event will appear on console
00:37 fmcd aha
00:37 kaeza (player xxx punched object yyy)
00:37 fmcd cow punching here i come
00:38 kaeza but by the looks of it, it's probably "mobs:cow" or such
00:39 kaeza 2d cows must be sapier's old as ass mobs mod, as PilzAdam's one has 3d models (?)
00:39 fmcd :)
00:39 fmcd yeah the 2d kinda ruins the illusion
00:40 fmcd i suppose it would be useful for a david hasselhoff mod or something cos he's pretty much one dimensional
00:40 Peacock everything in meshes kinda sucks too, for DL times and people timing out
00:40 kaeza hah
00:40 fmcd hasselhoff mod. nooo
00:40 kaeza Peacock, meshes aren't that big
00:41 Peacock heck even the boat mod has a mesh thats 300kb for something i could easily do with a nodebox
00:41 kaeza unless you are doing something like making a 1e+25 polygons :P
00:41 Peacock besides, i convert meshes to nodes, not the other way round :P
00:41 kaeza ah yes :P
00:44 Peacock though i havent tried to build any boats or ships lately, dont have the time for those huge projects lol
00:46 Peacock i can't remember who asked me for a Romulan Warbird, but i found one lol
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02:05 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=125335#p125335
02:06 Peacock seems legit
02:08 Hirato_ lol
02:08 Hirato_ kill it with fire
02:15 blaise wow, the new carrie movie was good, but they totally butchered the story
02:18 blaise kaeza: the guy that posted that, is he insane?
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02:43 blaise what are the vombie's called?
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02:43 blaise mobf:vombie ?
02:43 kaeza animal_vombie:vombie
02:45 Hirato_ are vombies really animals?
02:45 kaeza technically, humans are animals too :P
02:46 Hirato wouldn't they be monsters on account of being zombies? :P
02:46 Peacock and should be neutered and spayed as such
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02:48 Hirato it's just you and me baby, and we ain't nothing but mammals, so let's do it like they do, on the discovery channel
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02:49 Peacock of course, if people and animals are the same, it stands to reason you should be able to eat them and put them down as such :P
02:50 Hirato Welcome to the McDonalds Abattoir !
02:51 Peacock of course, we could solve both overpopulation and food shortage in one stroke: soylent green
02:52 NakedFury peacock for president
02:53 Peacock if only the rest of the world would recognize such greatness :P
02:54 Peacock just noticed i said of course twice lol
02:54 kaeza of course
02:54 Hirato when I grow up, I want to be Sweeney Todd
02:55 Hirato and I'll get a girl who owns a pie shop!
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03:34 blaise hey, uhrm.. 03:22:16: ERROR[main]: mod "digilines_inventory" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "require"
03:34 blaise I'm unaware of a mod called require
03:34 blaise anyone ever heard of it?
03:36 Peacock i think finally ill have to setup a thread lol people are too confused by my crafting and commerce setup lol
03:43 blaise Peacock: you ever used the builder npc's ?
03:43 Peacock im not crazy about mobs on minetest :P
03:43 Peacock i do use entities, just not mobs
03:44 blaise it's a npc, not a mob
03:44 Peacock npc is a mob on minetest
03:44 blaise then what is an entity?
03:44 Peacock what both are made of
03:44 kaeza http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mob_(video_gaming)
03:45 blaise and who do I talk to about npcf ?
03:45 blaise the only thing the builder npc will make is that hut.. and I've supplied other .we's
03:46 Peacock the only npc i have is the terminator npc, and i hesitate about bringing that one into my server lol
03:47 Hirato endercraft
03:59 Peacock i had to get rid of vendor/money2 tho., had so many money_*.txt files the folder took five minutes to load lol
04:00 blaise nice
04:00 blaise maybe a better filesystem would fix that
04:01 Peacock ext4
04:01 blaise reiserfs does pretty well with lots of little files
04:01 blaise I personaly have been using btrfs and am very pleased with the results
04:01 Peacock well considering Hans Reiser couldn't be bothered to get rid of the book teaching him to murder before killing his ex-wife, i wouldn't trust any filesystem of his :P
04:02 Hirato kill all profligates
04:02 Peacock btrfs could be cool, but it kinda dropped out of the news in the last year, dunno if that's because it's stable or it's on the backburner though lol
04:03 Hirato lol, I see someone doesn't frequent moronix
04:03 Peacock ED :P it's surprisingly accurate on all things OSS lol
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04:04 blaise Hirato: moronix ?
04:05 Hirato linux themed clickbait "news" site
04:05 Hirato aka phoronix
04:05 Peacock and ./ isn't clickbait ? lol
04:06 blaise ah, yeah.. their benchmarks are complete balogna
04:06 Hirato nah, because there peole jsut read the headline adn flame away
04:06 Peacock ./ "Google Co-Opts Whale-Watching Boat To Ferry Employees"
04:06 Hirato once upon a time, they at least read the summary
04:06 Hirato :P
04:06 Peacock comment on that story (which i love): "Welcome to Socialism. It's not longer a private van or boat. It's "the people's" boat. Renting it requires proof of need regardless of ability to pay."
04:09 Peacock remember when news used to be boring (but accurate) lol
04:59 blaise what do I do with meat which is not quite dead yet?
05:00 Peacock kill it, and dispose of the witnesses
05:00 Hirato cook it
05:00 Hirato that'll kill it
05:00 Hirato probably
05:00 blaise which box in the unified inventory is the trash or destroy box ?
05:00 blaise it's not labled..
05:00 Hirato the one with the traskcan symbol init, lol
05:01 blaise don't see a trash can
05:12 Hirato proller: I can't help but think all those "fast node sets/changes" you've been doing in freeminer broke the lighting :P
05:14 Peacock that implies lighting didnt already suck :P
05:14 Hirato true, but at least it worked :P
05:14 Peacock well ive been finding weird darkspots on the map for most of the 04x series :P
05:15 Hirato winter comes, everything collapses, haha
05:16 Hirato proller: maybe you should consider winter changing dirt_with_grass into dirt_with_dead_grass ?
05:16 Hirato then again, in snowy regions, the grass is just hidden under the snow and otherwise fine
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05:18 Lynxx hello everyone! :)
05:18 Hirato hai
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05:32 iqualfragile VanessaE: the detector tube is more or less unusable in its current state because the signal it outputs is freaking short
05:33 iqualfragile changing the 0.1 to a 0.2 in lines 363 and 387 in tubes.lua would fix that
05:38 blaise nanotubes?
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05:38 iqualfragile blaise: pipeworks
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05:44 Peacock i swear those boats look like they're driving themselves until you dig them and find the user sinking to the bottom of the ocean lol
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05:53 blaise I'm really happy with my server now
05:56 Peacock lol i got someone posing as pilzadam on my mine right now
05:56 Peacock though im pretty sure he doesn't live in an asian country
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07:02 proller Hirato, yes, fast set_node can broke lighting, do you have screenshot?
07:04 proller dirt_with_dead_grass - good idea, but need texture
07:07 Hirato no screenshot, was just an idle comment :P
07:08 Hirato how does the lighting work anyway? Does it refresh the node immediately? or does it mark it as dirty and handle the lighting pass elsewhere?
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08:48 Robby VanessaE: you there? :)
08:50 Robby what did you mean with that the violet shutter already works? if you meant the recipe itself? yeah, I hadn't tried that.. I was just browsing the crafting guide and noticed no recipe appeared when I clicked on it
08:50 Robby (the 3x3 boxes stayed empty)
08:50 VanessaE hi
08:50 Robby hello :)
08:51 VanessaE yeah, the recipe already works fine
08:51 Robby oh ok :) yeah, see it as just a fix for the guide then :)
08:51 VanessaE place four oak shutters and a portion of "violet" dye and you get four violet shutters
08:51 VanessaE the node names are just different
08:52 VanessaE did you check that doing so doesn't also break existing worlds?
08:52 Robby o
08:52 Robby uh
08:52 VanessaE e.g. maybe add an alias?
08:52 Robby there was already an alias in shutters.lua
08:52 Robby at the bottom
08:52 VanessaE place a purple shutter, apply your patch, then see if the shutter becomes unknown
08:52 VanessaE oh ok
08:52 VanessaE it's been a long time since I looked at that code
08:53 VanessaE ok, I'll apply your patches thne
08:53 Robby ok, thank you :)
08:53 VanessaE merged.
08:53 Robby :D
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09:28 Robby oh hi Calinou
09:28 Robby I was meaning to ask you something
09:29 Robby in moreblocks, would it be possible to make the stuff in redefinitions.lua optional?
09:31 Robby or are is some stuff in it required for the mod? like the redefinitions of some default nodes?
09:32 Calinou they are not required, but you should use them
09:32 Calinou because some default definitions are unbalanced or silly
09:32 Calinou :P
09:34 Robby yea, some are
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09:35 * VanessaE wonders if calinou ever moved on to using the clone_node method or not.
09:35 Peacock thats funny lol pa said  the tools were unbalanced because of calinou
09:37 Calinou the tools are not changed by More Blocks
09:37 Calinou only the repair thingy is buffed
09:38 Peacock well i think he meant minetest_game when someone said some of the tools were useless
09:38 Calinou PilzAdam said he fixed tool times... so I could put that stuff in More Blocks
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09:38 Peacock mind you this was like, two weeks ago, so the details are sketch
09:53 Calinou too much weed? :D
09:59 Peacock im beginning to wonder if you dont smoke too much :P
10:00 Peacock god dang new coffee machine, im pretty sure the nasa space shuttle didn't require so much programming
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10:37 john_minetest Hello everypony
10:37 Calinou hi john_minetest
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10:43 VanessaE morning john
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11:15 Peacock 'Server: Player with the name "Guest2758vgtgggfhfh" tried to connect' cmon, you're not even trying lol
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12:07 Robby VanessaE: in the plantlife modpack, is there a way to permanently remove those bushes from places where they spawned? ie, I want to remove them from some places
12:08 VanessaE sure, just delete or comment-out the register_spawn_plant calls
12:08 VanessaE or whatever it was that I called that function
12:08 Robby ah but no in-game way then? :p
12:08 VanessaE the nodes will remain, they just won't spawn anymore.
12:08 VanessaE nope.
12:08 Robby ok :)
12:08 Robby ty
12:08 VanessaE you could also,
12:08 VanessaE change the nodenames parameter to something unique
12:09 VanessaE something you can be sure will never appear unless you place it
12:09 VanessaE then the bushes will only ever spawn there.
12:09 Robby k :)
12:10 VanessaE you can also edit them to only ever grow on say farming soil
12:10 VanessaE (same thing)
12:10 Robby yeah, thats a nice idea
12:12 VanessaE (they already regrow their berries faster on farming soil anyway, so that's perhaps a good idea)
12:12 VanessaE also,
12:12 VanessaE you could change the seed and other perlin values
12:12 VanessaE try to find a combination that moves the active area away from where you are building
12:12 VanessaE or,
12:12 VanessaE change the avoid nodes parameters
12:13 VanessaE add in some nodes to that list that you want the bushes to stay away from, say cobble or bricks
12:13 VanessaE embed those into the ground every so often (and cover them over with dirt)
12:13 VanessaE that'll force those areas to stay bare of bushes.
12:14 Robby lots of options :p
12:14 VanessaE yup
12:14 VanessaE that last one is the best
12:15 VanessaE it makes the least amount of change to the natural behavior of the mod, and you could use something like building_blocks mod's fake grass or so
12:15 VanessaE as the "avoid" node.
12:15 VanessaE then you need not bury it
12:15 VanessaE merely place one on the landscape (and pray you can remember where it is ;-) )
12:15 Robby it'd be simpler if they behaved more like trees :p so you can dig them and they stay away and also a chance of dropping a sapling, in addition to giving strawberries, etc
12:16 Robby so you can choose to replant them
12:16 VanessaE actually,
12:16 VanessaE if you dig them with a shovel, they do.
12:16 VanessaE you occasionally get two of them.
12:16 VanessaE that's deliberate, and is the equivalent of getting a sapling.
12:17 Robby ah really? shovels is the magic tool then
12:17 Robby :D
12:17 VanessaE yup
12:17 VanessaE use a pick to destroy
12:17 VanessaE an axe gives you sticks
12:17 VanessaE and by hand gives you the berries
12:18 Robby awesome, didn't think of trying picks or axes yet, I just tried by hand
12:18 Robby but I suppose there's still a chance they respawn back unless I do one of above said things
12:19 VanessaE they will respawn yeah
12:19 VanessaE so you will need to tweak the mod to do that
12:19 Robby yeah, to make them more tree-like or something
12:19 VanessaE maybe I'll add a few "keep away" blocks to the mod later
12:19 Robby on mapgen
12:19 Robby or something
12:20 VanessaE or at least, support one or more of the existing mods that add natural landscaping nodes that would blend in well
12:20 VanessaE building_blocks has fake grass, that would work well for most things
12:20 VanessaE maybe just avoiding that and cobble would cover 99% of use cases.
12:20 Robby or that too :p
12:21 Robby if you could also make it an option to only spawn on mapgeneration (like trees) that would be nice too
12:21 VanessaE no way
12:21 Robby no?
12:21 VanessaE those plants are meant to be realtime.
12:21 Robby o
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12:45 VanessaE "as fucked up as a concrete bicycle."
12:45 VanessaE lol
12:46 VanessaE (someone's description of house wiring, on slashdot)
12:47 john_minetest Concrete bicycles could work pretty well as long as they are built correctly.
12:48 VanessaE I wonder if mythbusters ever looked into it :)
12:48 VanessaE they did the "lead balloon" once :)
12:48 specing it wouldn't work
12:48 specing it would fall apart
12:48 VanessaE specing: what?
12:49 specing the concrete bicycle
12:49 VanessaE oh
12:49 john_minetest light concrete is 350 kg/m³
12:50 VanessaE concrete + chicken wire + rebar
12:50 john_minetest yeah
12:50 VanessaE I could see it being doable
12:50 specing weight is not much of a problem if you are cycling on a flat surface
12:50 john_minetest On the other hand you could coat a normal bike with concrete and it is the same.
12:51 john_minetest specing: It is a problem when you fall over and the bike lands on your foot. Then you are trapped under a bike. lol.
12:52 specing it wouldn't be that heavy
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12:52 specing Im thinking about 50-100kg
12:52 specing most likely on the low side
12:53 * Jordach had a fucking heart attack this morning
12:53 Jordach i saw one of my posts, at 8am
12:53 specing Ofcourse, if it fell on you...
12:53 xyz on how to be user friendly https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8256
12:53 Jordach checked it, it was fine (cache failed!)
12:53 specing plus it would easily break due to concrete not being a flexible material
12:54 specing xyz: navigation game? 0.o press f5 ;P
12:55 xyz moonscript is the point, not the mod
12:56 nore xyz: https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/comm​it/584831170e74361573a9c78ff039e13066a3e332 <-- XD
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12:58 BlockMen #1080 is somehow caused by EmergeManager::setParamsToSettings() in emerge.cpp. stackdump: http://pastebin.com/Pi8D1zDt
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13:24 Megaf Hi all, should I worry about this? 13:23:39: INFO[ServerThread]: Server: MEET_BLOCK_NODE_METADATA_CHANGED
13:25 markveidemanis nope
13:26 markveidemanis You should worry if it says [ErrorThread]
13:26 markveidemanis and possible decrease the verbosity of the reporting
13:26 Megaf I'm running it with --info
13:26 Megaf coz it keeps crashing
13:27 xyz wait, why doesn't worldedit clear metadata when I //replace nodes?
13:28 markveidemanis if it says its changed...
13:29 markveidemanis try replace with air first then replace air unless you have air already
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13:30 hoodedice Anyone!
13:30 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=125378#p125378
13:30 hoodedice Check for factual errors
13:31 hoodedice Please.
13:31 xyz tldr
13:32 hoodedice ?
13:32 hoodedice Sup with that android build, anyway?
13:32 specing tldr
13:33 xyz hoodedice: nothing ATM, work will continue on it after we merge enet and messagepack
13:33 hoodedice hmm
13:33 hoodedice And then suddenly, I remembered the full-form for tldr
13:33 hoodedice -.-
13:34 * markveidemanis is messing about with sqlite3 and Python
13:35 hoodedice xyz: AMD sempron 2.1 GHz, 3 GB RAM, NO gfx chipset
13:35 hoodedice How will FM run on that?
13:35 markveidemanis Does one append to a tuple?
13:35 hoodedice !g Does one append to a tuple
13:35 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://stackoverflow.com/question​s/1380860/add-variables-to-tuple
13:35 markveidemanis Minetestbot is psychic
13:36 specing tuples are usually not modifiable
13:36 xyz hoodedice: if minetest runs on it fm will be able to as well
13:37 hoodedice Did you guys get over that dirt_erosion thing?
13:39 hoodedice Though I'm sad that I don't have gfx chip anymore, I can't play with shaders =/
13:39 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/8623638 I think i'm doing O.K
13:40 Megaf # To reduce lag, block transfers are slowed down when a player is building something
13:40 Megaf # This determines how long they are slowed down after placing or removing a node.
13:40 Megaf full_block_send_enable_min_time_from_building =
13:41 Megaf I don't quite understand that
13:41 Megaf what's that number unit?
13:41 hoodedice I think it means that when a player on a server is building stuff
13:41 Megaf percentage, microseconds
13:41 Megaf times something
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13:42 hoodedice Then if he is placing too many blocks at a time, the number of blocks sent
13:42 hoodedice at a time when he has stopped building
13:42 hoodedice is that value
13:42 hoodedice It might be seconds
13:42 hoodedice It's a time value
13:42 Megaf And wha about this? # Length of a server tick and the interval at which objects are generally updated over network
13:42 Megaf #dedicated_server_step = 0.1
13:43 Megaf There is a lot of not well documented data
13:44 hoodedice hmm, link please
13:44 hoodedice (Too lazy to google)
13:45 hoodedice That's a server tick
13:45 hoodedice Compare with a tick of a clock
13:45 hoodedice Each tick is a second
13:46 hoodedice default 0.1 means that blocks on a server are updated (added, removed, abm) is done every 0.1 second or so
13:46 hoodedice But I guess latency will easily break that.
13:47 hoodedice A higher value would decrease server overload and increase stability, but increase overall lag due to network latency (aka ping)
13:47 hoodedice Megaf!
13:48 Megaf hm
13:48 Megaf hoodedice, so could I use like 0.01?
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13:49 hoodedice I don't really know
13:49 hoodedice and when I don't, I experiment =)
13:51 hoodedice ooh boy, cpu @80 C
13:51 hoodedice You kid me not, a Radeon 3100?
13:51 hoodedice OMG!
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14:00 hoodedice Do SSDs require any drivers?
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14:02 xyz yes, just like the cpu
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14:05 hoodedice That sarcasm
14:06 hoodedice I just asked because the manufactirer's website states that this laptop comes with 350 GB, it has only 75
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14:14 Megaf 14:12:21: ACTION[ServerThread]: Server: A mismatched (strict) client tried to connect from 84.253.223.21
14:14 Megaf no more people with buildcraft and other shit in my server
14:15 Megaf bye
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14:35 SylvieLorxu Buildcraft?
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14:38 PenguinDad SylvieLorxu: it's some sort of minetest for android
14:38 SylvieLorxu That sounds kinda stupid :P
14:38 PenguinDad but it isn't supported by the minetest project
14:39 xyz what's stupid about it?
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14:40 SylvieLorxu Minetest is a game where a mouse is, like, really convenient. I can't imagine a touchscreen device getting even close to that experience
14:41 xyz have you ever played minecraft pe?
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14:47 SylvieLorxu Nope
14:47 SylvieLorxu I don't run any proprietary software :P
14:48 xyz then your argument is invalid, sorry
14:50 SylvieLorxu How is "I can't imagine" invalid, then?
14:50 SylvieLorxu Imagining something to be good and bad already states that I don't know for real
14:50 SylvieLorxu But my common sense and general experience on both Android (touchscreen) and non-touchscreen platforms gives me this idea
14:51 SylvieLorxu If you know an Open Source minetest portable or whatever thingy I could just try and see? :P
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14:57 grrk-bzzt SylvieLorxu, Minetest works like an FPS. FPS are meant to be played with keyboard and mouse, period.
14:57 grrk-bzzt In other words, I don't see why you bring the "touchscreen" concept here.
14:57 SylvieLorxu grrk-bzzt: That's what I feel, yes
14:58 grrk-bzzt Goof
14:58 grrk-bzzt Good*
14:58 grrk-bzzt Sorry that was a real typo
14:59 xyz alright, my bad
14:59 xyz your argument is valid, you can't imagine that, fine
14:59 xyz this doesn't mean that minetest on touchscreen devices is "stupid", this is what I found invalid
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15:05 john_minetest I have played several games on a touch screen, including several shooters and some minecraft clone.
15:05 john_minetest I think it is nearly impossible to get a decent experience without WASD and mouse.
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15:08 SylvieLorxu I said it "sounds kinda stupid", I never said it definitely IS stupid :P
15:09 specing SylvieLorxu: you do run proprietary software ;P
15:09 SylvieLorxu specing: I don't
15:10 specing so you have the source for your chip's microcode?
15:10 specing do you have the source for the SMM system?
15:10 reactor H]ÉxÄ^cÒrAÆӗ4Ï2/ÐQ#óQßÍý-~Ï!
15:10 * SylvieLorxu sighs
15:10 reactor Oops.
15:10 SylvieLorxu You people are freakin' annoying :|
15:10 reactor I meant to say "Hello" in Яussian.
15:11 SylvieLorxu I'm running Linux-libre on Debian. The only real issue this device has is a non-Free BIOS but I can't fix that myself
15:11 SylvieLorxu The laptop I ordered does not have that issue :P
15:11 * sfan5 throws a kitten at reactor
15:12 reactor What's wrong with non-free BIOS?
15:12 reactor It's unlikely to be spying on you, really.
15:12 * reactor sneezes
15:12 SylvieLorxu The non-Free BIOS issue is mostly that all of them are complete crap
15:12 specing reactor: "unlikely"
15:12 SylvieLorxu The BIOS has always been one of the first non-hardware parts of my systems getting weird issues
15:13 * sfan5 places the kitten generator next to reactor and flips it on
15:13 * reactor sends the kitten to the cosmetics lab.
15:13 * reactor redirects the kitten generator to sfan5's room.
15:13 sfan5 yeey! kittens
15:13 * sfan5 cuddles with the kittens
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15:14 * reactor sneezes while observing.
15:16 reactor I should probably use y'all for experiments, felines and one human. How about a cake eating contest? A real contest, with real, tragic, consequneces?
15:17 * sfan5 steals the cake and gives it to Yepoleb
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15:26 SirDigby Taking bets on when, and how, I bust my ass on that ice today.
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15:31 SirDigby hey
15:31 john_minetest The chance is high that an unfree EFI can spy on you.
15:31 john_minetest Unfree bios are not that problematic but still often crap.
15:32 SirDigby I hear spy
15:32 SirDigby But for what
15:32 SirDigby data mining
15:34 john_minetest It can get everything from you.
15:34 SylvieLorxu For ruining democracy
15:34 john_minetest Profiling people is easy money.
15:35 john_minetest When you google "pest symptoms" you might be ill. google can sell that data to your health insurance and they set higher rates.
15:35 john_minetest The same with things like "snowboarding" or "skiing" or "extreme sports".
15:35 reactor john_minetest, SylvieLorxu: I'm waiting for you to present proof data dumps.
15:35 reactor I mean, network dumps.
15:35 markveidemanis WHat if a lot of people spammed at once?
15:35 SylvieLorxu reactor: Proof data dumps of what?
15:36 markveidemanis what would minetestbot do
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15:36 reactor Of alleged spy traffic.
15:36 john_minetest markveidemanis: It must be a strange feeling to see so many posts in one place that were _not_ produced by yourself.
15:36 SylvieLorxu I don't even follow you
15:36 john_minetest reactor: Spy traffic of what?
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15:37 reactor EFI sending your data to its manufer?
15:37 john_minetest EFI can do networking.
15:37 reactor So?
15:37 SylvieLorxu I don't have EFI, AFAIK
15:37 john_minetest If somebody can damage EFI or produced bad EFIs, he can get all data without ever being caught by any antivirus program.
15:38 john_minetest It is better than a rootkit
15:38 john_minetest undetectable
15:38 john_minetest and it can affect every OS
15:39 reactor Now, who would be interested in developing such thing for an "obscure" OS? We should actually be glad UNIX is only 1% of desktop OS market.
15:40 reactor Hmm... I wonder, why didn't PDP-11 and the like need elaborate software in their ROMs, just a bootloader?
15:40 reactor And why do x86 machines need it?
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15:45 reactor SylvieLorxu, john_minetest: what I mean is, is there any proof EFI sends something to somewhere?
15:47 reactor Also, about modifying the firmware.
15:47 reactor Systems usually have some kind of protection from being flashed from OS.
15:47 SirDigby democracy...
15:47 SirDigby heh
15:47 SirDigby come on now
15:47 reactor In fact, it's long since been implemented.
15:48 reactor SirDigby: ?
15:48 reactor ...are we descending into some political flamewar?
15:48 SirDigby half intelligent people know that their is no such thing as, a democracy
15:48 reactor What do "full intelligent" people know?
15:49 SirDigby the world
15:49 SirDigby i guess
15:49 reactor What do "non intelligent" ones know?
15:49 SirDigby they have some many feels
15:49 reactor Can you provide an example of "some many feels"?
15:49 SirDigby half assed shit
15:49 SirDigby fox newsers
15:50 reactor Half shitted ass?
15:50 SirDigby bullshit
15:50 SirDigby like the bs of church and fox news
15:51 reactor Church is sinful.
15:51 SirDigby simple minded bs that just gets you by, when looking smart to dummys
15:51 reactor So is religion.
15:51 SirDigby 15% on cat litter, buy that shit fgt
15:51 reactor ?
15:52 SirDigby just stop
15:52 SirDigby I know what your doing.
15:52 SirDigby tighten up that fordora
15:52 reactor Stop what?
15:52 reactor I'm only supporting the conversation.
15:53 reactor Please go on.
15:54 SirDigby your not doing shit
15:55 reactor That's right. I am not doing shit. I am doing something else.
15:55 SirDigby your acting like a 40 year old, trying to pretend to be a 14 yearold, trying to troll, badlly
15:55 SirDigby act like your on shit
15:55 SirDigby fucking joke son
15:55 * markveidemanis Interrupts
15:55 reactor How intelligent.
15:55 SirDigby oh.
15:55 reactor You're probably one of them believing the news, actually.
15:55 SylvieLorxu reactor is indeed most likely one of those annoying kind of trolls, yes
15:55 reactor Pretending to be smarter than the rest.
15:56 reactor SylvieLorxu: ...said whom?
15:56 SirDigby thanks.
15:56 reactor s/om/o/
15:56 SylvieLorxu Said I, obviously
15:56 SirDigby :D
15:56 markveidemanis reactor, http://www.wattpad.com/3932209-50-rando​m-ways-50-funny-and-awesome-comebacks-d
15:57 john_minetest reactor: It is proven that EFI is able to do that although it didn't occur yet. At least not detected.
15:57 reactor Alrigh. I'm glad that "I" is not spelled as "i".
15:57 reactor markveidemanis: ...eh?
15:58 * markveidemanis is being useful
15:59 reactor Well eh. I was hoping not to rely on those here.
15:59 reactor Thank you, though.
15:59 reactor .-1s/not to/not to have/
15:59 reactor Shit.
15:59 reactor .-1s/have/have to/
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16:01 markveidemanis :P
16:01 markveidemanis They are surprisingly good
16:02 reactor Yes, outside constructive discussions.
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16:04 PenguinDad hi NekoGloop
16:04 reactor Speaking of which. Someone is having problems with spelling words properly.
16:04 SirDigby shut tha shit down
16:05 SirDigby do you get off on this
16:05 SirDigby being a asshole.
16:05 SirDigby thats fun.
16:06 reactor Oh, look. Someone's quite enraged today.
16:06 SirDigby ima troll people i don't LOL hash tag lonely.
16:07 reactor Why would you bring up anal terms? Asshole? Shit? You have some anal problems?
16:07 SirDigby tru
16:07 reactor Maybe you would like to tell about what is troubling your mind now?
16:08 SirDigby k.
16:08 SirDigby gingers acting like the now, on the inter buts
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16:09 Megaf 14:57:14: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ...st/bin/../games/minetest_gam​e/mods/default/nodes.lua:1045: attempt to index local 'fuel' (a nil value)
16:10 Megaf This shit really piss me off
16:10 SirDigby same.
16:10 reactor SirDigby: oh well. I see you are not willing to act on solving the problem with your anal fixation.
16:11 SirDigby same.
16:11 Megaf minetest server is the most unreliable piece of software ever!
16:11 SirDigby I told you these gents went with a potato
16:11 reactor Megaf: are you sure it's the server itself?
16:12 Megaf well, it's the server that crashes because it doesn't know how to deal with the problem
16:12 Megaf Also a default mod, so it's minetest related
16:12 SirDigby don't pay no nver mind to this asshole, he is a lonely un fuckable ginger.
16:13 reactor That's an error in LUA script. Why not look into the script and see what is there?
16:14 SirDigby welll, the other day, omg2 was hypein freeminer
16:14 Megaf reactor, I know potatoes about LUA
16:14 reactor Megaf: same, here.
16:15 reactor Just out of curiosity, why not see what is there? Maybe you'll find it familiar.
16:15 SirDigby bbbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr​rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr​rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
16:15 SirDigby base cannon
16:16 Megaf reactor,  if fuel.time <= 0 then
16:16 Megaf Thats the line
16:16 Megaf I know theres more
16:17 Megaf https://github.com/minetest/minetest_g​ame/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua
16:17 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/75619/
16:17 SirDigby not for nothing, but your spawns look like a bag
16:17 SirDigby spawns
16:17 SirDigby idk
16:17 reactor SirDigby: what is your problem today?
16:17 SirDigby drinking
16:17 reactor Someone hurt you?
16:18 SirDigby ya man
16:18 Megaf ShadowNinja, ping
16:18 SirDigby I'll show you on the doll
16:18 reactor What happened?
16:19 SirDigby I like you
16:19 SirDigby I see you as a lonely, fat ginger.
16:20 reactor Megaf: uh... as a person completely unfamiliar with LUA, I would take a wild guess and say the variable "fuel" is undefined? I'm not sure about what it means by "attempt to index".
16:20 SirDigby make something out of this
16:20 SirDigby you have nothing left
16:20 SirDigby or right
16:21 Megaf reactor, attempt to index a null value is something that almost all mods like to do to crash the server
16:21 reactor Please elaborate, SirDigby.
16:21 reactor That is how you're feeling now?
16:21 SirDigby really
16:21 reactor Lonely, fat and depressed?
16:21 SirDigby you got rough mods.
16:22 reactor Why are you feeling this way? Someone called you that some time ago?
16:22 reactor Megaf: "nil" or "null"?
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16:23 Megaf I'm kinda dyslexic, I have no idea
16:23 reactor nil
16:23 reactor I see.
16:23 reactor A second...
16:24 reactor Oh hmm.
16:24 reactor "local fuel = nil", that means it's empty
16:25 Megaf That means it should crass the server
16:25 reactor as fas as I get it, inv:get_list("fuel") and inv:get_list("src") are called. Functions, right?
16:25 reactor s/fas/far/
16:25 Megaf anyway, I will try to find and malfunctioning furnace in an infinite world,
16:25 ShadowNinja Megaf: Hmmm?
16:26 reactor Somehow, fuel.time does not receive a value
16:26 ShadowNinja Megaf: http://ix.io/9Oo
16:26 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest: Deepcopy pointed_thing for after_place_node, give it to on_rightclick too. e21b29f422 2014-01-11T08:23:28-08:00 http://git.io/5q44nw
16:26 Megaf ShadowNinja, I have a guess that you can fix this https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/issues/236
16:26 Megaf cool
16:26 ShadowNinja Already have. :-)
16:27 Megaf reactor, there we have the fix
16:27 reactor Good.
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16:28 Megaf ShadowNinja, shouldn't I get the fix with a git pull?
16:28 ShadowNinja Megaf: Not pushed yet.
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16:29 ShadowNinja Megaf: Done.
16:30 Megaf Updating 1a9362a..d09d8f0
16:30 Megaf cool
16:30 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Fix crash with nil fuel d09d8f02a4 2014-01-11T08:27:21-08:00 http://git.io/AE3ngA
16:30 Megaf thanks a million ShadowNinja
16:31 Megaf ShadowNinja, did you write that code minutes ago because of me?
16:32 Megaf nevermind
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16:33 ShadowNinja Megaf: Yes.
16:33 Megaf Thanks again
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16:39 ShadowNinja YW.
16:46 SirDigby this guy
16:46 SirDigby fucking asshole.
16:49 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest: Add forceloading 4774952b54 2014-01-11T08:47:37-08:00 http://git.io/n003ww
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16:54 * VanessaE peeks in again
16:54 VanessaE is it safe?
16:54 nore well, limited to 16 loaded blocks by default for the whole server
16:55 specing safe for what?
16:55 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest: Add forceloading 84b94eb198 2014-01-11T08:54:00-08:00 http://git.io/QP1yhg
16:56 SirDigby trollin
16:56 SirDigby I think so
16:57 SirDigby it's not even fun any more.
16:58 kaeza ?
16:58 reactor SirDigby: why do you call everyone a troll?
16:58 reactor Learned a new word today eh?
16:58 reactor I'm proud of you.
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17:01 VanessaE safe to talk :P
17:03 kaeza SirDigby, /ignore is your friend
17:03 kaeza hey V
17:03 VanessaE hey
17:04 reactor VanessaE: o/
17:04 VanessaE o/
17:09 SirDigby eh
17:12 reactor Oh, I see. You've just learned one mote word.
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17:13 reactor You've just made a fundamental scientific breakthrough... that's what learning a word is, scaled to your mental capability.
17:13 reactor .-1s/mote/more/
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17:27 VanessaE jeez, at least when I'm drunk, I'm fun. :-)
17:27 VanessaE I'm sure folks here can attest to that much :D
17:27 kaeza ^
17:27 reactor People tend to use substances as "cheat codes" to life.
17:28 reactor Way to build one more dependency.
17:29 VanessaE eh, I only use that "cheat code" a couple of times a year :)
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17:39 rubenwardy Hi all
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17:41 VanessaE hey ruben
17:44 * rubenwardy is reading papers on neural networks, game theory, machine learning, fuzzy logic, knowlege models, swarm intelligence, natural language analysis
17:44 rubenwardy Fun fun fun!
17:44 john_minetest Neural networks are cool
17:44 john_minetest I tried to compile an AI today but it didn't work :(
17:45 john_minetest opencog
17:45 markveidemanis :(
17:45 john_minetest It has some pretty cool features although I couldn't test them yet.
17:45 VanessaE of course it didn't work, it's still a baby.  you have to fill its head with knowledge first, THEN make it go get a job. :)
17:47 markveidemanis http://marktest.co.uk/?p=1127 The video has some blinking visual artifacts
17:48 VanessaE minecraft?  meh.
17:48 VanessaE *closes*
17:48 rubenwardy Join Jord@ch's corner
17:49 john_minetest VanessaE: It doesn't work since it isn't compiled yet.
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17:50 markveidemanis Hmmm...
17:50 markveidemanis 'minetest android' is by far my biggest source of traffic
17:52 john_minetest rubenwardy: You are using an older version of hexchat 32 bit on win7.
17:53 rubenwardy yu huh
17:53 john_minetest :D
17:53 john_minetest VERSION ctcps are so cool
17:56 john_minetest Reactor hasn't got a version string.
17:57 reactor Bazinga! I don't care.
17:57 rubenwardy lol
17:58 * rubenwardy has wrapped SDL to work similar to Irrlicht's driver
17:59 reactor good, how well does it perform?
17:59 rubenwardy The same as usuall
17:59 rubenwardy Just hid all the messy SDL stuff into a class
18:00 rubenwardy https://gist.github.com/rube​nwardy/7268b05f0ada9ceebf99
18:01 VanessaE so what's that do, an SDL driver for minetest then? :)
18:02 rubenwardy no, offtopic
18:02 rubenwardy Soz
18:02 VanessaE oh, too bad
18:02 VanessaE might have turned out to be useful if expanded all the way :)
18:03 rubenwardy It's not a complete wrapper, it's more of a helper function the hides the SDL_window, SDL_renderer etc away
18:03 rubenwardy and does lines, text, and texture drawing
18:03 markveidemanis Do people here like wordpress?
18:03 rubenwardy Yes, but not wordpress.com
18:03 rubenwardy Although, http://rubenwardy.wordpress.com/
18:03 markveidemanis WHy not com?
18:04 markveidemanis Thats actually a really cool layout
18:04 rubenwardy It's rubbish value, if you get the premium version
18:04 markveidemanis i love it!
18:04 markveidemanis Hmm
18:04 john_minetest wordpress is connected to gravatar so I got an account. If I'd set up a blog I'd use something else.
18:04 rubenwardy Basically never buy any thing at wordpress.com, it's cheaper to make your own server
18:04 markveidemanis I see my dashboard on your site and my image so it works
18:05 markveidemanis yeah, 35 a year for an 8 core 3.1GHz server (no root)
18:06 john_minetest I got a site with ftp access so a blog would fit there.
18:06 john_minetest And I pay nothing :D
18:06 markveidemanis serversfree.com?
18:07 rubenwardy I will be getting rubenwardy.com
18:07 kaeza VanessaE, http://www.glbasic.com/showr​oom.php?game=C64colorshader
18:07 rubenwardy serversfree sucks
18:07 rubenwardy I got banned
18:07 rubenwardy For 'malious content'
18:08 rubenwardy I think they didn't like my 400 visitors a week. Lol
18:08 rubenwardy 400 is not very many
18:08 VanessaE that....different.
18:09 markveidemanis 400 a week, eh?
18:09 * markveidemanis checks...
18:09 Megaf VanessaE, I cant craft the water pump
18:09 markveidemanis 156
18:09 Megaf http://vanessae.github.io/pipeworks/
18:11 VanessaE ok lemme check it
18:11 markveidemanis http://marktest.co.uk/ online right now works
18:11 markveidemanis :)
18:12 markveidemanis `seen Rhy5
18:13 VanessaE Megaf: works for me.
18:13 VanessaE default:copper_ingot, default:steel_ingot, stone, and default:mese_crystal_fragment
18:15 VanessaE kaeza: two major oversights though:  that shader needs IFLI support and should use Pepto's palette.
18:15 kaeza heh
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18:16 kaeza still, an interesting project :P
18:16 VanessaE indeed so
18:19 markveidemanis john_minetest
18:19 markveidemanis DO you have the Zegaton map?
18:19 markveidemanis I'd love my house as a schematic at least but it was... so much potential
18:27 john_minetest markveidemanis: Which house?
18:28 john_minetest Try to connect to Zegaton. It should still be there. minetest.org:30015
18:28 john_minetest yep, it is there
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18:40 harrison soon my machine will be functional .... then we shall see who laughs last
18:40 harrison [mwahahaha...]
18:41 VanessaE what, no imagery of you petting your evil cat or however that goes? :)
18:41 john_minetest You want to destroy the world with your evil machine! I have to stop you"!
18:41 john_minetest Cephalopod powers activate!
18:41 john_cephalopoda Hah, I bet you didn't take that into account!
18:47 markveidemanis This one: http://minetest.ru/zeg9/data/4/1/3.png
18:47 markveidemanis Can you reset my password?
18:47 markveidemanis I will never use '0000' again, i promise!
18:48 markveidemanis yet 30010 is down...
18:51 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Compare values instead of pointers in Inventory::operator== 6f6f289db4 2014-01-11T10:47:16-08:00 http://git.io/DDTzxw
18:51 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Add operator!= to Inventory(List), make operator== a const method 51e6feb17c 2014-01-11T10:46:37-08:00 http://git.io/9Dds4Q
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18:52 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Rename get_json_value to read_json_value a9df87ede0 2014-01-11T10:52:26-08:00 http://git.io/4qx8DA
18:52 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add InvRef::get/set_lists() bd8ddf1a52 2014-01-11T10:52:26-08:00 http://git.io/KzR7oA
18:52 WordpressMonster test
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18:58 john_cephalopoda What color does a bad guy's cat have?
18:58 VanessaE white, of course.
18:58 VanessaE like Dr. Claw.
18:58 VanessaE (Inspector Gadget)
18:58 sfan5 john_cephalopoda: #BBAADD or #BAD shortened
18:59 reactor john_cephalopoda: white.
18:59 VanessaE or I think Dr. Evil's Mr. Bigglesworth was also white.
18:59 reactor Yeah.
18:59 twoelk white cat to contrast the owner's dark character
18:59 reactor When Mr. Evil gets angry, Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset.
18:59 reactor When Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset, PEOPLE DIE
18:59 VanessaE when mr bigglesworth gets upset, people DIEEEEEEEEE
18:59 sfan5 the world ends*
18:59 reactor Why do I have to be surrounded by FREAKING IDIOTS?!
19:00 reactor sfan5: that's a quote
19:00 sfan5 reactor: it is? from where?
19:00 twoelk ma school teacher?
19:00 BlockMen bye
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19:01 reactor sfan5: Austin Powers, the movie
19:01 reactor It's a must-see.
19:01 * sfan5 saw it
19:02 sfan5 IIRC
19:02 * w_laenger just saw a small part of it
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19:02 reactor w_laenger: pwned.
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19:06 WordpressMonster http://trickphotographybook.com​/images/multiplicity-clones.jpg
19:06 WordpressMonster How is this done
19:06 sfan5 magic
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19:06 markveidemanis http://trickphotographybook.com​/images/multiplicity-clones.jpg How is this done
19:06 rubenwardy Taking multiple photos and sewing them together. Obvoisly
19:07 VanessaE meh, that stuff is totally routine.
19:07 w_laenger http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php
19:07 rubenwardy *obviously
19:07 VanessaE I've done that kind of photography before
19:07 VanessaE that's camerawork 101 stuff.
19:07 VanessaE simple.  set up a camera on a tripod 20 feet from the house.  make sure it's stable.  set it for timed, repeat exposures.  walk i nfront of the house.  pose.  wait for the shot.  move.  pose.  wait for the shot.  repeat.
19:08 * sfan5 throws a sata cable at VanessaE
19:08 VanessaE when you've taken enough, let loose with your favorite. photo editor.
19:08 iqualfragile VanessaE: please split pipeworks into pipes and tubes
19:08 VanessaE iqualfragile: just tweak the config file if you don't need a feature.
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19:09 VanessaE put them in pipeworks_settings.txt in your world folder.  the settings are spelled out in the default_settings.txt file in the mod folder.
19:09 markveidemanis OH i looked at tutorial
19:09 VanessaE but I will not be splitting them apart.
19:09 markveidemanis Timed?
19:09 * Sokomine catches the sata cable and stores it away for later use (you can never have enough replacement cables)
19:10 markveidemanis I put layers then erase positions of people on top layer
19:10 VanessaE markveidemanis: timed.  or have a second person there operating the camera.
19:10 markveidemanis ok
19:10 markveidemanis il look into it, i guess timed is much more stable
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19:11 * w_laenger got problems with plugging a digiline into an USB plug
19:11 VanessaE w_laenger: well duh, you need a converter.
19:11 VanessaE digilines are I²C
19:12 reactor Maybe a psychiatrist?
19:12 reactor Don't worry, I am not a psychiatrist.
19:12 w_laenger too late, now it's stuck there
19:12 Sokomine reactor: no, there's no reason why that can't be done :-) it would just require...some hardware...:-)
19:12 reactor And software.
19:13 markveidemanis good old happy non-judgemental people :-)
19:13 VanessaE http://xkcd.com/644/
19:13 VanessaE oblig.
19:13 reactor :D
19:13 fwilson VanessaE++
19:13 Sokomine depends what it wants to do over usb
19:13 reactor Well, the body will probably learn how to control USB.
19:14 reactor But it should take very much time, probably more than human life.
19:14 reactor And It should not by any means incluse the +5V line.
19:14 Sokomine there has been a thread about using mesecons to control real circuits. of course just for fun...but...why not :-)
19:14 reactor s/I/i/
19:14 Sokomine oh? i thought he wanted to plug in digilines? not his brain?
19:14 reactor Someone has managed to kill self with 9V battery.
19:15 reactor Skin is a good insulator.
19:17 nore Sokomine, it was the mesecons competition 3.0
19:18 Sokomine nore: ah :-)
19:25 reactor G'night.
19:28 john_cephalopoda okay
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19:34 john_cephalopoda harrison: I made a picture.
19:34 VanessaE bbl
19:35 john_cephalopoda harrison: The brave cephalopod agent yet again won a battle against the evil Dr. Harrison and his machines: http://i.imgur.com/fptjMdg.png
19:35 harrison very unrealistic
19:36 harrison but admirable pluck young lad
19:36 john_cephalopoda It is realistic.
19:36 harrison where are the other tentacles then?
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19:36 john_cephalopoda they are behind the chair.
19:37 john_cephalopoda As well as the cephalopod's life support.
19:37 harrison http://www.japanator.com/elephant​/ul/17985-620x-tentacle-grape.jpg
19:37 harrison now THERE are some real tentacles
19:37 john_cephalopoda Those are green.
19:38 john_cephalopoda That tentacles are grape tentacles but no cephalopod has grape tentacles.
19:38 harrison http://www.neatorama.com/2011/06/0​5/hello-kitty-tentacle-chandelier/
19:38 john_cephalopoda See, those are better. They have suckers on them.
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19:52 iqualfragile why do mesecon-gates have a reaction time?
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21:27 Peacock for hud elements, can i have text on two lines, or do i need 2 hud elements?
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21:29 kaeza try!
21:29 Peacock with \n?
21:29 Peacock ah fuck i think i'd need two elements anyways, the balance has to be white and the transaction red or green
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22:35 kaeza uh?
22:35 kaeza do dungeons spawn in desert stone?
22:38 Peacock i read something to that effect yes
22:38 kaeza that's new
22:38 Peacock i wouldn't remember reading about it if it wasn't :P
22:39 kaeza heh
22:47 Peacock thats a first: [GEOIP] hipster_snorlax Location: Anonymous Proxy
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22:57 markveidemanis Does anyone know about Ghost Blogging?
22:58 Calinou blogging done by random people?
22:59 markveidemanis Yep
22:59 markveidemanis I quite like it
22:59 markveidemanis I may even review it in my proper blog
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