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00:40 harrison steve reich?
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01:02 kizeren any reason when I do "make" the percentage on the left is always 55%?
01:12 VanessaE idk, never happens to me but then, I build in paranoia mode
01:12 VanessaE (== I rm CMakeCache.txt; make clean; rm -rf /usr/local/share/minetest   before I build)
01:13 fairiestoy I have a little question ( i know, once again ): Is it correct that the engine handles meshes only when they have a sprite-like framesaving instead of a bone-system with keyframes? Not sure, i once read about that, but forgot where or what exactly
01:14 fairiestoy If yes: Wouldn't a simple bone system be better for media loading, since it reduces the file size?
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01:35 PilzAdam bye
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01:43 EvergreenTree o/
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01:44 VanessaE hey evergreen
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02:02 Jordach o hai
02:02 VanessaE hi
02:03 Jordach fuck sleeping
02:03 Jordach someone poke that tree
02:03 NekoGloop How goes the testing of the mines?
02:03 VanessaE NekoGloop: most tests seem to be failing, as usual.  you expected anything different? ;()
02:03 VanessaE ;)
02:04 Jordach YOU'VE ALREADY SAID THAT!
02:04 VanessaE (actually, craft guide in UI got fixed, by way of a fix in the engine)
02:04 VanessaE Jordach: it bears repeating :P
02:05 Jordach nope. avi
02:06 * NekoGloop curls up in VanessaE's lap and dozes off
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02:06 DeloX hello?
02:06 DeloX new to game here
02:06 EvergreenTree you traitor!
02:06 VanessaE hi DeloX
02:06 * EvergreenTree slaps Jordach
02:06 Jordach 8P
02:07 DeloX any way to set the resolution on start up?
02:07 DeloX command line option or somethin?
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02:08 Jordach you can use full screen mode
02:13 Jordach -!- Brain activity low: suspending systematic
02:13 Jordach well fuck
02:14 Jordach zzzzzzz.....
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03:08 DeloX sry fore the delay, am back
03:09 DeloX is there a command line switch to make it fullscreen
03:09 DeloX ?
03:10 ShadowNinja DeloX: There is a config setting. (And you might be able to specify config settings on the command line)
03:14 DeloX could you show me the syntax or point me to a config file or guide on the wiki?
03:16 fairiestoy DeloX: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Minetest.conf
03:17 fairiestoy One of the first lines: fullscreen = false/true
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03:37 DeloX thx for infos
03:37 DeloX getting some bugs, i will keep on trying stuff
03:43 DeloX thx again guys
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04:51 pitriss i want to ask.. is possible to combine textures (texture1^texture2) in item_image_button ?
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06:59 MinetestBot nore: <sfan5> nice..
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07:34 aaronfranke Hi, would any of you happen to know how Minetest conducts it's lighting calculations? I'm from the Cubic Chunks thread on MCF, a suggestion for Minecraft to have infinite height, and was told Minetest uses infinite height.
07:41 nore aaronfranke, lighting is one of the things that cause the most slowness in Minetest
07:41 sfan5 aaronfranke: should be in the source code somewhere: https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest/tree/master/src
07:42 nore IIRC it is in map.cpp
07:43 sfan5 what about light.cpp?
07:44 sfan5 hm.. no
07:44 nore ... I remember I saw lighting code when coding minetest.swap_node
07:44 nore lighting is updated when adding/removing nodes, isn't it?
07:45 sfan5 yes
07:46 nore sfan5, btw, what was your modified client to take HD screenshots? shouldn't it be possible to have something like that upstream?
07:46 sfan5 https://github.com/sfan5/m​inetest/tree/8k_screenshot
07:46 sfan5 s/HD/8K/
07:46 sfan5 yes it is possible
07:47 sfan5 also for some reason the screenshot has an alpha channel, but it is enough just to remove it
07:48 aaronfranke Thank you all for this! What programming language is Minetest written, so we can compare methods with Java?
07:50 aaronfranke I see it is written in C++ and Lua, which one is the lighting written in?
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07:55 sfan5 aaronfranke: c++
07:56 sfan5 aaronfranke: here is the code https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/src/map.cpp#L424-571
07:58 aaronfranke Thanks!
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08:15 sfan5 *wants to dl .mkv, site downloads .mkv.exe*
08:15 sfan5 nope
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09:53 FreeFull sfan5: Might try opening the exe up with some program like 7zip to see if there is actually a mkv inside
09:55 sfan5 FreeFull: nope
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09:56 sfan5 it's a <foobar>downloaderspeed super pro premium v13.37
09:58 FreeFull Ah
09:58 FreeFull Yeah, off to /dev/null with it
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10:14 john_minetest Hello everychristmasunicorn
10:14 VanessaE hi
10:30 Issa2013 hello
10:30 Issa2013 how are u
10:30 VanessaE eh.
10:30 Issa2013 i m trying to lunch minetest server on a ubuntu-server
10:30 Issa2013 wihtout interface only command line
10:30 Issa2013 do u think is possbible
10:30 VanessaE that's how I do it (except, debian.  same difference)
10:30 Issa2013 because now i can't
10:31 Issa2013 i want create a php interface to administrate the games
10:31 VanessaE everyone who runs a dedicated minetest server does so via the command line rather than running it from the gui
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10:32 Issa2013 so why i have this error -->
10:33 Issa2013 http://pastebin.com/MUEcSNkX
10:33 VanessaE create a new world from the client/gui first.
10:33 Issa2013 how do that from my server
10:33 Issa2013 :/
10:33 VanessaE and don't try to run it from a directory you don't have write access to
10:33 Calinou hi
10:34 VanessaE the problem is the server can't create new worlds, unless that's since been fixed
10:34 VanessaE it's a known bug
10:34 arsdragonfly eh,IIRC the dedicated server creates a new world if there isn't
10:34 VanessaE *checks commit log*
10:35 VanessaE nope
10:35 VanessaE does not appear to have been fixed.
10:35 VanessaE Issa2013: create a new world on your local host and copy it to your server with rsync or scp or something.
10:36 arsdragonfly well I've run a dedicated server fine on my phone which doesn't have a GUI
10:36 VanessaE arsdragonfly: this is a recent bug.
10:36 arsdragonfly recent?
10:36 VanessaE mmhm
10:36 VanessaE past couple of weeks I support
10:36 VanessaE suppose*
10:37 Issa2013 is better :)
10:37 VanessaE I'm not sure exactly when it started but the core devs already know about it.
10:37 VanessaE the server fails to create the initial rollback log database file.
10:38 VanessaE so basically, since rollback logging went to sqlite or shortly thereafter.
10:38 Issa2013 ok i have my dedicated server ON
10:38 arsdragonfly in that case a git bisect would help I believe
10:38 VanessaE Issa2013: nevermind that.
10:38 Issa2013 so now i need to create a php page to get some statistique
10:38 Issa2013 VanessaE, weel i do'nt understand what u says
10:38 Issa2013 but
10:39 VanessaE Issa2013: you want stats, that's entirely up to you :) but first, get your server up and running properly ;)
10:39 Issa2013 now how i can get information about the game in live to get it on my php page ?
10:39 Calinou "php page"... personal home page page :D
10:40 Issa2013 i have running my server on virtuabl box
10:40 Issa2013 http://www.enlightenment.org/ss​/e-52b6c18e04aca2.03965039.jpg
10:41 Issa2013 VanessaE, so how get stats please ?
10:41 john_minetest I don't know if that's so easy.
10:42 john_minetest Maybe you can get lua to generate a website with all the data on it in real-time-
10:42 arsdragonfly Issa2013: hack into the source code and try using cURL
10:43 arsdragonfly hmmm, using lua may be a good choice,too
10:43 Issa2013 u says too many word i don't know is
10:44 Issa2013 my favorit is hack into the source code
10:44 Issa2013 how do that
10:44 john_minetest read the curl manual and the jquery manulal.
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10:45 Issa2013 well
10:46 VanessaE Issa2013: stats and such things are entirely up to you.
10:46 VanessaE you must code those things yourself, minetest does not have such facilities, but you can probably get most of what you need by scraping the log file.
10:47 kaeza mornings
10:53 Issa2013 VanessaE, where is the log files ?
10:54 Issa2013 how i can edit it ?
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10:54 john_minetest iirc minetest sends some stats to the master server.
10:54 john_minetest That could maybe be changed...
10:54 VanessaE you don't edit the logs
10:54 VanessaE you read them
10:54 VanessaE and they'll be in the minetest directory
10:55 VanessaE or in the user home directory that is running minetest
10:55 VanessaE on my server, they are in /home/minetest/.minetest/debug-*.txt and /home/minetest/.minetest/moredebug-*.txt
10:56 VanessaE (the latter is just redirecting all console output to a file since the logs don't catch everything)
10:59 Issa2013 ok i see
10:59 Issa2013 so i can get the list of player and that's it
10:59 Issa2013 VanessaE, can i lunch minetest server like daemin
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11:00 Issa2013 so when i lunch my server the game works, and if he crash thent restart automatly ?
11:00 VanessaE Issa2013: launch*
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11:01 VanessaE lucnh is when you eat at around 11am to 1pm every day :)
11:01 VanessaE lunch* too. :P
11:01 twoelk all VE servers went down?
11:01 VanessaE twoelk: nightly backups.
11:01 VanessaE always at this time of night.
11:01 VanessaE they'll be back in a couple of minutes.
11:01 twoelk ah noon here
11:02 VanessaE Issa2013:   while true; do sleep 5; minetestserver --foo --something --hello --wut ; done
11:02 VanessaE fill in the switches of course
11:02 VanessaE twoelk: for me it is 6am :)
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11:03 VanessaE twoelk: it is the quietest, least busy on the servers about this time which is why I have the cron set to do the backups now.  when it comes back up, it'll be a little laggy as it will be compressing in the background also.
11:03 twoelk well has to be done at some time
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11:04 twoelk wonder if an automatic warning message could be send prior to shutdown
11:05 VanessaE I haven't figured out how to do that yet
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11:05 VanessaE it's just as well, no one would notice such messages anyways
11:05 VanessaE no one pays attention to the chat :P
11:06 twoelk might be so
11:07 twoelk I noticed the server going down because it left Irc, ingame I was still thatching my roof, wonder at what point the server and my client split
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11:12 twoelk interesting, my client had let me set about 10 nodes before I left the map manually. 10 nodes after the server  was shuting down
11:14 VanessaE heh
11:14 VanessaE you'd think the client would deny all actions after receiving the shutdown messae
11:14 VanessaE message*
11:14 john_minetest twoelk: What mapgen? indev is a bit broken-
11:15 VanessaE twoelk: my servers - network disconnect due to shutdown for routine backup.
11:15 VanessaE er.. john_minetest ^^^^^
11:15 twoelk er VanessaE game
11:15 john_minetest oh, I thought on twoelk's own server
11:15 twoelk I presume
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11:17 twoelk ah wait, to be fair, I am using a 0.4.7.xx series client at the momment
11:18 VanessaE that doesn't matter any
11:18 VanessaE afaik any client will let you keep placing blocks well after the disconnect message
11:19 twoelk so it seems
11:20 twoelk so actually we do need a message ;) "anything build beyond this point in time is an illusion in a virtuall world"
11:20 VanessaE heh
11:22 twoelk its but a dream within a dream.........
11:23 Issa2013 VanessaE, where i can see all  logs we can see on the debug files logs ?
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11:34 VanessaE there is one file,
11:34 VanessaE usually debug.txr
11:34 VanessaE er debug.txt
11:34 VanessaE in the minetest folder or in the homedir of the user running the server
11:34 VanessaE ~/.minetest/debug.txt
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11:36 Jordach hm?
11:36 reactor ?mh
11:37 VanessaE morning, Jordach
11:37 kaeza ¿ɯɥ
11:38 reactor kaeza: лФШЫВГШОИФ?
11:38 reactor kaeza: щФ ФШИВИЫ?
11:38 Jordach ew, Cyrillic
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11:38 reactor ЭYЯIГГIЭ
11:38 reactor yeah
11:39 reactor Rather,
11:39 reactor ЭУЯIГГIЭ
11:39 reactor That.
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11:39 Lynxx hello does anyone rememeber how to make 2 players appear in single player? xD
11:40 reactor Lynxx: ?
11:40 reactor Start the game in server mode on one machie.
11:40 reactor s/hie/hine/
11:40 reactor On the other, connect to it.
11:40 reactor ???; PROFIT!
11:40 Lynxx triying to make 2 clients connect to my singleplayer world
11:41 Lynxx there was a way but i forgot how it was xD
11:41 VanessaE >2 clients
11:41 VanessaE > single player
11:41 VanessaE O.o
11:41 Lynxx not singleplayer
11:41 Lynxx hmm
11:41 VanessaE :)
11:41 reactor Exactly, VanessaE.
11:41 Lynxx let me see if i can explain
11:41 reactor LAN party, I know.
11:41 Lynxx something like that
11:41 Lynxx like a lan
11:41 reactor Just start the game server mode on one of the machines.
11:41 reactor Okay?
11:41 VanessaE just giving you a hard time :)
11:42 Lynxx haha sorry
11:42 kaeza that's what she...wait what
11:42 Lynxx XD
11:42 VanessaE lol
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11:42 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:42 reactor Hello PillsAdam.
11:42 Lynxx i think i'm starting to talk nonese from lack of sleep xD
11:42 reactor -How high are you? -Yes.
11:42 Lynxx hello PilzAdam
11:43 Lynxx i'm on coffee...
11:43 reactor Way to kill your kidneys eh.
11:43 Lynxx ...better than smoking....
11:43 reactor Definitely.
11:44 Lynxx anyway ._. anyone know what i'm talking about or am i to sleep deprived to make sense? xD
11:44 reactor s/to /too /
11:45 reactor You're not making any sense, pal. Not a byte of it.
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11:45 reactor If I were you, I would probably go snatch some sleep.
11:47 Jordach I did that last night and got pm bombed be the tree
11:47 Jordach fell asleep while helping evergreen!
11:48 Lynxx oh found the thing i was looking for !!!!
11:48 Lynxx and i was staring at it for like 20 minutes
11:49 reactor You definitely should get some sleep, man.
11:50 MinetestBot Only n00bs need sleep
11:51 reactor ...said a red-eyed dweeb that is falling apart.
11:51 Lynxx lol
11:51 reactor s/that/who/
11:51 Lynxx https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2870 this i s what i was looking for :3
11:51 arsdragonfly of course a bot doesn't need sleep to work
11:51 reactor If one don't sleep, they get depressed and ugly.
11:52 kaeza arsdragonfly, no, it needs select() :3
11:52 arsdragonfly lol
11:52 PilzAdam posting "Can someone teach me how to make a server?" in "Server Creation Guide" is quite epic
11:52 kaeza otherwise buh bye to your CPU time
11:52 reactor Speaking of performance.
11:53 reactor Does MT still have problem syncing over slow lines?
11:53 reactor If I host a game, people complain the map is loading only some blocks around them.
11:53 VanessaE does hydrogen still appear at the top of the periodic table? :)
11:53 reactor And they can't shoot firearms well there.
11:53 reactor VanessaE: yeah.
11:54 reactor Well, there's also positronium. It's element zero.
11:54 reactor And above are antielements.
11:54 VanessaE I thought that was neutronium? :)
11:54 VanessaE anyways
11:54 reactor Neutronium is unstable.
11:54 VanessaE yeah, mt still has problems with that.
11:54 reactor For free neutrons only live for 12 minutes.
11:54 VanessaE if you have curl and a properly-configured remote media server, it helps to a large degree
11:54 PilzAdam a positronium is unstable too
11:55 PilzAdam and it isnt an element
11:55 reactor ...any neutrons are unstable. They all turn into protons. But in nuclei, the electrton they emit gets caught by other protons.
11:56 reactor That's why nuclei have consistent number of P and N.
11:56 reactor positronium is unstable yes
11:56 VanessaE welcome to minetest, where an off-the-cuff rhetorical question meant to imply "yes, obviously" can turn into a discussion on quantum physicas.
11:56 VanessaE -a
11:56 reactor Well, it isn't. I'm not sure, though.
11:57 blubblubb why do larger nuclei have quite a bit more neutrons than protons?
11:57 reactor VanessaE: so, one can use a FTP server to host media?
11:57 PilzAdam blubblubb, to be stable
11:57 reactor ...but clients need to have curl compiled in?
11:57 PilzAdam otherwise the protons would just move apart
11:57 VanessaE Lynxx: don't follow that guide you linked to - it uses remobo.  that's evil.  everyone will hate you.
11:57 VanessaE reactor: no.
11:57 VanessaE http.
11:57 Lynxx no not gonna use remobo
11:57 reactor blubblubb: to be stable, yes.
11:58 blubblubb ic
11:58 Lynxx just wanted to take screen shots of the changes i did to the skin experimenting with some stuff :#
11:58 blubblubb qcd and all that I suppose
11:58 reactor Because without them, electrostatic forces would be too strong and tear the nucleus apart.
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11:58 PilzAdam blubblubb, that is because the electromagnetic force that pushes protons apart has a higher "range" than the force that "glues" neutrons an protons together
11:58 VanessaE (strong vs. weak nuclear forces, isn't it?)
11:59 reactor See the bonding energy in drop model.
11:59 VanessaE been way too long since I read up on this stuff
11:59 PilzAdam (Im not quite sure about the english terms)
11:59 reactor Hmm.
11:59 blubblubb VanessaE: no, strong force and electromagnetism
11:59 reactor weak interaction is observed in beta decay
11:59 VanessaE right
11:59 VanessaE ok
11:59 reactor blubblubb: right, that
11:59 blubblubb or, electroweak I should say
11:59 PilzAdam its always funny to translate the stuff you learned in german into english
11:59 reactor electroweak is for high energies
12:00 blubblubb since EM and the weak force have been unified
12:00 reactor The higher energy the more symmetry.
12:00 blubblubb ah
12:00 * VanessaE throws a few tau neutrinos at blubblubb
12:00 reactor not very high energies for electroweak, though
12:00 * blubblubb skillfully dodges dodges them
12:00 PilzAdam VanessaE, dont throw too fast
12:00 Jordach this channel went critical mass. ..
12:01 reactor Heh.
12:01 blubblubb does minetest have nuclear reactors yet?
12:01 VanessaE yes
12:02 VanessaE technic mod.
12:02 PilzAdam IIRC technic has
12:02 reactor ...mkay.
12:02 blubblubb hah. of course it does :)
12:02 PilzAdam .... but I guess they are not too realistic
12:02 reactor They're controlled automatically, right?
12:02 VanessaE yeah
12:02 blubblubb quite recently I discovered that there's a mod to get nuclear reactors in KSP too
12:02 reactor You can't make them go Chernobyl, right?
12:02 Jordach http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/
12:02 kaeza >complains about realistic games >complains about non-realistic mods
12:02 PilzAdam blubblubb, oO
12:02 VanessaE you put fuel in, they "run" for a long while and shut off, they don't explode when tampered with but they do shut down
12:03 blubblubb and antimatter reactors
12:03 * Evolykane trows some cogh-syrup in the round
12:03 blubblubb right, the interstellar mod it was
12:03 reactor s/trow/throw/
12:03 reactor Fuck.
12:03 reactor .-1s/trow/throw/
12:03 reactor Dodgy.
12:03 Jordach VE tell that to technic
12:03 PilzAdam kaeza, I complain about games/mods that want to be realistic and I complain about games/mods that try to be realistic but fail at it
12:04 kaeza >logic=0
12:05 reactor Evolykane: what's the deal with cough syrup?
12:05 * reactor throws some itch powder in Evolykane's face.
12:05 reactor You're gonna need it yousrself now.
12:05 reactor Have fun.
12:06 thexyz why do you think this mod tries to be realistic?
12:06 PilzAdam RBA told me that
12:06 thexyz my opinion is that it just tries to make the game fun to play by adding a concept widely known (reactor, nuclear power, etc) but simplified
12:07 thexyz no one would play a game where you have to control a "real" reactor because it'd be boring
12:08 VanessaE I dunno
12:08 VanessaE people play sim city
12:08 VanessaE railroiad tycoon
12:08 VanessaE all those old games like that
12:08 thexyz well all those are simple
12:08 VanessaE -i
12:08 VanessaE yes
12:08 thexyz so that only proves my point
12:08 VanessaE but they give you tons of controls for what they do
12:08 PilzAdam building your own reactor in this is quite nice: http://powdertoy.co.uk/
12:08 thexyz now make a game as realistic as it can be
12:09 reactor ...why not make mods have two modes: "easy" and "realistic", so that everyone's satisfied?
12:10 VanessaE but still you are right - cram too much reality into the gameplay and it ceases to be fun
12:10 reactor ...depends where.
12:11 reactor Realism is good in flight simulators.
12:11 reactor And such.
12:11 PilzAdam realistic hunger for example is not boring
12:11 reactor PilzAdam: and yes, that.
12:11 reactor Minecraft-y health system would be nice, too.
12:12 thexyz having a realistic server which could realistically serve more than 5 realistic clients without any realistic lags would be good too
12:13 PilzAdam but thats impossible
12:13 VanessaE bbl
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12:14 thexyz why?
12:15 PilzAdam 0 lag is impossible because information cant move faster than the light
12:15 thexyz well now you're being picky
12:16 thexyz because we both know what we're talking about
12:17 PilzAdam well, I was just part of a discussion about quantum phyiscs, so....
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12:22 markveidemanis Hi
12:24 john_minetest PilzAdam: A lag of 0 can be possible
12:25 john_minetest Quantum entanglement. Also the measurement of lag can result in that. Using seconds and ints can deliver 0 lag although it is 0,4 seconds.
12:26 reactor markveidemanis: HELO
12:26 reactor Speaking of entanglement.
12:26 reactor They're not using it in communications yet, are they?
12:26 john_minetest not yet
12:27 john_minetest or, wait
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12:28 john_minetest quantum random generators are aviable. Maybe for encryption key generation those can be used. I think those work with quantum entanglement.
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12:49 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
12:49 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (275ms)
12:49 reactor .-2s/viabl/vailabl/
12:56 SirDigby Megaf: Is that some script
12:56 SirDigby oh i see
12:56 SirDigby derp
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13:03 sepi How can I explicitely spawn mobs from the mobs framework mod?
13:03 reactor Weed?
13:05 sepi hmm weed :)
13:06 Exio4 did i read weed
13:07 sepi ^^
13:07 jin_xi smoke weed every day
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13:08 sepi how about spawning mobs?
13:08 tuedel weed?
13:09 SirDigby ery day
13:09 SirDigby fuck that
13:10 SirDigby StarTalk Radio has new vids
13:11 SirDigby can i ask yall something, movies
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13:17 Evolykane Is there a towny like mod for minetest
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13:31 sepi now I can spawn mobs but they only appear as an "unknown object" object
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13:32 PilzAdam sepi, mobf does some weird stuff so you cant really spawn them with /spawnentity
13:32 PilzAdam (in simplemobs its not a problem)
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13:35 nore Evolykane, do you mean, a mod that adds towns?
13:35 sepi PilzAdam: I see
13:35 sepi PilzAdam: but I also don't seem to have the /mobf command installed
13:35 Evolykane Towns for multiplayer, like the minecraft plugin towny
13:35 nore if so, you can try mg: it makes its own mapgen, which includes villages randomly spawned
13:35 sepi but I can see the mod in the game menu
13:36 PilzAdam Evolykane, stop assuming that people here know Minecraft mods
13:36 nore but I don't know if that is really what you are looking for
13:36 Evolykane PilzAdam: Plugins ^^
13:36 PilzAdam sepi, have you enabled the mod for your world?
13:36 PilzAdam Evolykane, mods ^^
13:37 sepi PilzAdam: not that I know of :P
13:37 sepi PilzAdam: how to?
13:37 PilzAdam sepi, click on "Configure" in the world list
13:37 sepi PilzAdam: awesomet, thanks a lot :)
13:44 reactor mobf();
13:44 Evolykane http://code.google.com/a/eclipselabs.org/p/towny/
13:44 sepi reactor: ?
13:44 sepi So does the mobf menu not allow me to spawn animals?
13:44 Evolykane or here https://sites.google.com/si​te/menexiamc/in-depth-towns
13:45 Evolykane Textdescription of the Plugin
13:47 Evolykane Towny is a good known extension for minecraft Multiplayer Servers. Half of the large minecraft servers uses it.
13:48 Evolykane Is there a mod where Players can found there own towns?
13:52 reactor sepi: ?
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13:54 reactor john_minetest: hello everybrony.
13:55 john_minetest reactor: I have been online all the time.
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13:57 reactor I care so much!
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14:06 proller first spam inside game chat detected
14:06 reactor ?!
14:07 reactor Someone created a spambot?
14:07 reactor Autokick should probably be introduced.
14:07 reactor And/or autoban.
14:09 proller maybe manual
14:09 proller meggage
14:09 reactor ?
14:09 proller message
14:09 proller was
14:09 reactor Yeah. Probably server log message for the sysop.
14:09 reactor ...I wish MT server had rcon.
14:10 reactor Preferrably via FIFO.
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14:10 reactor Rather, UNIX socket.
14:11 proller now it not a problem
14:17 Evolykane Hm ok, how to add mods in the online mod repository?
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15:01 sfan5 meow
15:01 john_minetest PHEW...
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15:02 john_minetest Every game project I find uses unity, gamemaker or cryengine.
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15:06 john_minetest I wish there were more people using proper stuff.,,
15:06 zash no, can't have nice things!
15:06 reactor Same shit in UNIX nowadays, john_minetest.
15:06 reactor People tend to use Dbus instead of sockets.
15:07 reactor HAL instead of device nodes.
15:07 reactor All that shit.
15:07 reactor Disgusting.
15:07 reactor Oh, and Pulseaudio instead of in-kernel sound processing.
15:07 zash Don't Dbus go over a socket?
15:07 john_minetest At least the function of those are open.
15:07 john_minetest And they got proper licensing.
15:07 reactor zash: idk.
15:08 reactor Dbus was intended as replacement for sockets.
15:08 reactor Poettering's shit.
15:08 john_minetest reactor: I am talking more about using engines that are closed source and hide everything instead of using free engines.
15:09 reactor Well, we're talking about the same problem.
15:09 reactor People don't want to learn propa stuff.
15:09 reactor They think of it as "complicated".
15:09 john_minetest irrlicht instead of unity or cryengine, SDL2 instead of gamemaker.
15:10 reactor And use solutions which are easily handled, but too complicated under the hood.
15:10 john_minetest It is more complicated but it is licensed under proper terms.
15:10 john_minetest It isn't about the complexity under the hood.
15:10 FreeFull SDL2 is nothing like Gamemaker
15:10 reactor When some whacker like that breaks, problems arise.
15:11 reactor And people cry a lot.
15:11 john_minetest You can do everything with SDL2 that you can do with gamemaker.
15:11 reactor Yep.
15:11 reactor Worse is better.
15:11 FreeFull SDL2 is a huge toolbox. Gamemaker is a DIY kit
15:11 reactor That is, the less complicated it is under the hood, the better it workd.
15:11 reactor s/kd/ks/
15:12 john_minetest SDL2 is a huge toolbox. Gamemaker is just proprietary, closed source shit.
15:12 reactor Heh.
15:12 reactor Same about UNIX vs. Wintendo.
15:12 john_minetest People should learn how to do it properly instead of clinging to some proprietary, closed source thing that does everything for them.
15:13 FreeFull Gamemaker doesn't do everything for you anyway once you get into more advanced stuff
15:13 john_minetest Of course game engines like irrlicht also do a lot of work for you, but you can apply the things you learn with irrlicht to other libs.
15:13 FreeFull Worst thing about it is portability
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15:21 thexyz those shitheads also use C++ instead of assembly those days
15:21 thexyz what retards
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15:22 reactor thexyz: ?
15:22 reactor What's wrong about C?
15:23 iqualfragile reactor: isnt it obvious? too much bloat
15:23 reactor ?
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15:23 jin_xi its like a boolean float
15:23 reactor iqualfragile: What are you talking about? C or game engines?
15:23 iqualfragile c
15:23 thexyz or C++?
15:23 reactor I don't get it.
15:23 reactor C/C++.
15:24 john_minetest ...
15:24 reactor iqualfragile: you probably should stop referring IDEs as languages, mate.
15:24 reactor Seriously, it's your bloody problem if you're using C++ Bulder.
15:24 iqualfragile both, too much overhead, should have used assembly, has much less overhead and is therefore faster and better
15:24 john_minetest thexyz: Assembly is a bit too easy. It just allows you to do anything.
15:25 reactor That shit needs to die a gruesome, violent death.
15:25 john_minetest thexyz: Better use a hex editor. Much more hardcore and same functions.
15:25 reactor Assembly is not suitable for physics.
15:25 john_minetest huh?
15:25 Exio4 [12:07:30] <reactor> Oh, and Pulseaudio instead of in-kernel sound processing.
15:25 Exio4 real men use jackd
15:25 john_minetest Assembly can be used for anything.
15:25 reactor Jackd is for real-time sound, Exio4.
15:25 john_minetest I guess it is even faster than C++ so better for physics.
15:26 reactor I don't care about small delays here, okay?
15:26 thexyz oh those people discussing speed, assembly and c++
15:26 Exio4 i've jackd on autostart
15:26 reactor john_minetest: physics have to deal with floating-point data types and vectors.
15:26 Exio4 zero problems reactor!
15:26 thexyz do you honestly believe you can optimize code better than GCC can do it?
15:26 Exio4 yes, using intel compiler (in intel cpus)
15:26 reactor Good luck doing those in assembly, john_minetest. It must take you whole life.
15:26 iqualfragile reactor: where is the problem?
15:26 john_minetest reactor: C++ is written in assembly.
15:27 Exio4 or optimized compilers for some archs :P
15:27 reactor john_minetest: not C++.
15:27 reactor Okay?
15:27 iqualfragile john_minetest: nope
15:27 thexyz Exio4: *you*
15:27 reactor C++ is written in C++. Compiler compiles into machine code.
15:27 john_minetest Yeah. And assembly is practically machine code.
15:27 Exio4 you can make a C++ compiler in basic
15:27 iqualfragile gcc is actually quite awsome at optimizing, allmost allways better then humans
15:27 Exio4 but it is part of the implementation side
15:27 zash There's more than one C++ compiler, right
15:27 thexyz you can make a c++ compiler in any turing complete language
15:28 reactor right
15:28 thexyz but I don't understand the point you're trying to bring, what's it?
15:28 iqualfragile lets write a c++ compiler using a dual-stack machine!
15:28 Exio4 also, compilers don't compile into machine code, but other languages
15:28 Exio4 emscripten compiles to javascript
15:28 Exio4 *compiles*
15:28 thexyz indeed
15:29 Exio4 you could also have interpreted C
15:29 Exio4 and it is still C
15:29 * Exio4 looks at cint
15:30 thexyz less talk more code!
15:30 Exio4 who cares about coding
15:30 Exio4 discussing useless shit makes minetest grown!
15:30 Exio4 grow*
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15:30 Exio4 it is all kaeza's fault
15:31 kaeza yes it is
15:31 kaeza no u
15:31 thexyz ah right
15:31 reactor Err.
15:31 thexyz I'm trying to profile this shit
15:31 reactor I think iqualfragile and john_minetest deserve a smack.
15:31 thexyz I've figured out software never works
15:32 iqualfragile reactor: i think you need to improve your irony detection skills
15:32 john_minetest Actually tcc can interpret C code
15:32 thexyz perhaps someone can suggest a profiler?
15:32 Exio4 yeah john_minetest
15:32 john_minetest Yeah. actually this whole thing is a troll battle.
15:32 reactor iqualfragile: text-only communication is not suitable for sarcasm.
15:32 john_minetest I was trolling since <thexyz> those shitheads also use C++ instead of assembly those days
15:33 reactor I see what you're saying, but I don't see HOW you're saying it.
15:33 Exio4 thexyz: I don't really know, never worked with code that should be fast enough to get profiled ;P
15:33 reactor And irony is mostly detected by how something is said.
15:33 Exio4 reactor: you can guess by the way they say it
15:33 reactor I can't hear your voice, and I can't see your facial expression.
15:33 reactor Okay?
15:33 iqualfragile john_minetest: me too
15:33 thexyz john_minetest: trolls trolling trolls
15:33 Exio4 you can read what I say
15:33 thexyz Exio4: the problem is that it's slow
15:34 reactor Hey, I am not a troll.
15:34 thexyz (minetest)
15:34 Exio4 didn't know!
15:34 john_minetest
15:34 iqualfragile thexyz: which part exactly are you profiling?
15:34 * reactor loudly slaps iqualfragile and john_minetest. "That is preemptive".
15:35 thexyz iqualfragile: hmm.. everything? the server loop, I want to know what parts are slow and what locks waste the most time
15:36 iqualfragile thexyz: ah, ok, quite strange that nobody done that yet
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15:39 thexyz iqualfragile: perhaps because there are no tools
15:39 iqualfragile there are tool for profiling
15:40 thexyz what are those?
15:41 iqualfragile lets see
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15:42 iqualfragile thexyz: http://sysprof.com/
15:42 iqualfragile i used this when i needed to profile something the last time
15:43 thexyz can it profile locks?
15:44 thexyz I'm currently trying Intel VTune
15:44 thexyz it works fine on Windows, but doesn't on my Gentoo system
15:45 thexyz so I have to run it inside virtualbox ;_;
15:45 iqualfragile urgh
15:45 iqualfragile i have no idea
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15:48 thexyz I see
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15:56 rubenwardy Hi all
15:56 reactor EHLO rubber man.
15:57 reactor How's the science with Shitland C++ Destroyer?
15:58 thexyz here's my setup http://i.imgur.com/qFKd7Ve.png
15:58 thexyz how do you like it?
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16:00 reactor thexyz: what is that program that tracks CPU time?
16:01 reactor Peacock: o/
16:01 thexyz reactor: ah, the one inside the VM? it's written at the top, it's Intel VTune Amplifier
16:01 reactor I wonder what a pea-shaped cock would look like.
16:01 Peacock howdy
16:02 reactor oh.
16:02 reactor I see.
16:02 thexyz it's free for linux and non-commercial use
16:02 Peacock like this http://www.wearysloth.com/Gall​ery/ActorsT/tve17101-22-23.gif :P
16:02 thexyz but it didn't work very well for me
16:02 thexyz so I had to take a Windows trial
16:03 Peacock i prefer Cardassian trials, the sentences are determined well in advance <Dukat>
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16:06 thexyz what if I just replace it with std::bitset
16:06 thexyz (so much bloat)
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16:20 paramat Solstice greetings, new mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8066
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16:28 Jordach now where's that tree :P
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16:34 EvergreenTree <Jordach>get yo f*cking @ss on the irc
16:34 EvergreenTree So here I am
16:34 EvergreenTree :P
16:34 Jordach finally :P
16:36 Peacock you have a thing for evergreen's ass :P
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16:36 EvergreenTree trees don't have an @ss
16:37 EvergreenTree You should know that
16:38 Peacock hm, maybe he's after your wood then XD
16:38 Jordach plol
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16:45 Jordach hey aspie
16:45 reactor AspieMint
16:45 AspireMint Hello
16:46 reactor EHLO
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16:52 raffahacks Hi megaf
16:53 raffahacks VanessaE, just found u in Actuve Contributors list :)
16:53 raffahacks Congratulations
17:10 thexyz with some hacks (like disabling block heat and mapgen completely) I can now get to 100 clients @ localhost
17:10 thexyz (this means the game is still smooth)
17:10 thexyz although it's "minimal"
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17:13 * Jordach kicks back
17:13 Jordach http://www.zimagez.com/zimage​/screenshot-221213-171313.php
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17:20 john_minetest .
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17:25 harrison john_minetest: maybe you would like steve reich (composer)
17:25 harrison if you like glass probably you will like reich
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17:27 thexyz with 1000 clients my load average got over 500 so I had to stop the experiment
17:27 reactor `1
17:27 reactor !*
17:28 reactor block heat?
17:28 zash 1000 clients doing what?
17:28 reactor Idling.
17:29 reactor Stading around, smelling, being useless.
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17:29 zash Wat
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17:31 thexyz that's with --random-input
17:31 thexyz they actually will perform more than players (just a guess)
17:32 reactor oh
17:32 reactor they don't dig or build, do they?
17:32 reactor I might be mistaken.
17:33 troller they dig randomly and moves nonstop
17:33 thexyz part of server log https://gist.github.com/xyzz/2772c85​1cdb73cb2391b/raw/16a625b9c5c9ad85f8​6c4686fa833b6b676ef99d/gistfile1.txt
17:34 thexyz after `killall -9 freeminer` https://gist.github.com/xyzz/d775dd0​7057ab6c8982e/raw/15c91f685b8d7d5d50​aacfd0ba3f94f277895fdc/gistfile1.txt
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17:37 thexyz I think I've got to 552 online, but at this point the game was unplayable
17:37 reactor thexyz: do they put block?
17:37 thexyz don't have much hardware
17:37 reactor s/ck/cks/
17:37 thexyz reactor: yes
17:38 reactor k
17:38 thexyz or, wait
17:38 thexyz I think they should
17:38 reactor Do they chat?
17:38 Issa2013 zzZz
17:38 thexyz no
17:38 reactor Issa2013: I care so much.
17:39 thexyz you can check RandomInputHandler class in main.cpp if you want to know what they do
17:42 reactor Aighty.
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17:50 john_minetest harrison: I know steve reich. Thanks for mentioning him, I just found "it's gonna rain".
17:51 harrison link pls
17:51 harrison we can listen at the same time
17:51 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk42M2L-VC8
17:52 harrison nice
17:52 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Merge pull request #26 from kaeza/wut https://gi 2013-12-22T09:52:17-08:00 http://git.io/4YPwfg
17:52 MinetestBot GIT: kaeza commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix crashes in GUI button. https://gi 2013-12-20T21:06:32-08:00 http://git.io/QFaUGg
17:53 harrison conlon nancarrow met harry partch once
17:53 john_minetest Still I like that one more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDN8NzIGz-Y
17:53 harrison they didn't like each other
17:53 harrison the incident is discussed in kyle gann's book on nancarrow
17:56 john_minetest Oh, just found Conlon Nancarrow again... player piano with those strange melodies...
17:57 harrison if you concentrate it is REALLY amazing
17:57 john_minetest I am a fan of harmonic music with clear stucture. I don't really like those minimal music things that are completely out of order. But sometimes there are some with extraordinary character.
17:57 harrison how about partch?
18:02 john_minetest oh, that guy with the drums?
18:02 harrison that glass piece IS nice
18:02 harrison partch was more than just drums
18:02 harrison you should read his book
18:02 harrison genesis of a music
18:02 john_minetest I think I only heard that one drum piece where people were making drum noises.
18:03 harrison microtonal
18:03 harrison in the best sense of the word
18:05 harrison this is not typical of partch but it is my favorite piece
18:05 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSToApF6eN0
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18:07 harrison ear candy
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18:08 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwMYhUQRF8o
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18:09 harrison and of course .... the great chilean singer constanza biagini!
18:09 reactor Lament for my cock. Sore and crucified, I seek to know you.
18:11 specing Megaf: somebody is complaining of being griefed
18:11 SirDigby fucking slayer, but, harry putter
18:12 SirDigby what instrument is that
18:13 harrison surrogate kithara
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18:14 SirDigby I seen it played, I'm next door to a japanees garden
18:15 john_minetest :
18:16 SirDigby no thank you. for your 2nd link
18:19 thexyz why do those people take the first available versions of minetest and fork it?
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18:44 john_minetest thexyz, who?
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18:44 thexyz i herd you laik videos?
18:44 thexyz john_minetest: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=122782#p122782
18:45 thexyz shit youtube takes forever to process my video
18:45 PilzAdam s/youtube/google/
18:45 thexyz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hny6ovvGR3Y
18:45 thexyz enjoy yer 360p
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18:46 troller Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available.
18:46 EvergreenTree ^  simplescreenrecorder!
18:46 PilzAdam thexyz, fale
18:46 PilzAdam *fake
18:47 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Update worldedit_gui to work with latest unified_inventory. https://gi 2013-12-22T10:46:59-08:00 http://git.io/ZD__GQ
18:50 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Update worldedit_gui to work with latest unified_inventory (thanks LazyJ!). https://gi 2013-12-22T10:48:56-08:00 http://git.io/z_pCvw
18:52 thexyz PilzAdam: why?
18:52 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Add a screenshot to the README. https://gi 2013-12-22T10:51:50-08:00 http://git.io/SMWaFA
18:52 PilzAdam you speeded it up
18:52 EvergreenTree ^
18:52 EvergreenTree plol
18:53 troller and add 90 fake bots!
18:54 thexyz PilzAdam: nice try but there is time in server log
18:58 thexyz I've edited the description
19:00 thexyz please like and subscribe!!
19:01 john_minetest Do the clients actually receive data?
19:01 john_minetest (the fake ones)
19:02 thexyz they do, how else would they otherwise dig?
19:02 thexyz those are just clients with --random-input and video driver set to null
19:02 thexyz so they are not fake
19:04 john_minetest Okay. So the server sends and receives data all the time?
19:04 Miner_48er Is there any way to repair or remove a corrupt chunk?
19:05 thexyz john_minetest: yes
19:05 thexyz there are some hacks though, read the description
19:05 PilzAdam Miner_48er, there is an option to tell Minetest to re-generate it
19:05 Miner_48er what option?
19:05 john_minetest thexyz: What does block heat do?
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19:07 troller PilzAdam, 68 max players on "Sky" - fake too!
19:07 troller and now 48 fake!
19:07 thexyz john_minetest: not sure
19:07 thexyz ask troller
19:08 thexyz (wait, I don't know who actually coded this)
19:08 PilzAdam Miner_48er, eh, cant remember now
19:08 john_minetest troller?
19:08 john_minetest What does block heat do?
19:09 john_minetest thexyz: Is mapgen really so resource-eating?
19:10 phantombeta Hi
19:10 john_minetest hi phantombeta
19:10 phantombeta How are you?
19:10 iqualfragile john_minetest: yes it is
19:10 john_minetest Fine, thanks. And you?
19:11 phantombeta I'm good...
19:11 thexyz http://forum.freeminer.org/threads/getti​ng-the-most-out-of-freeminer-server.48/
19:11 john_minetest iqualfragile: Won't it make more sense to generate everything in advance to have ultimate performance.
19:11 john_minetest ?
19:11 iqualfragile john_minetest: no
19:11 troller john_minetest, heat for weather, freezing, ...
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19:13 EvergreenTree o/ Enke
19:13 thexyz john_minetest: it's impossible to generate everything in advance
19:13 Enke hi EvergreeenTree
19:13 thexyz but generating a small area is probably a nice idea to work on
19:14 iqualfragile thexyz: hey, looks realy nice
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19:15 thexyz iqualfragile: indeed it does!
19:17 thexyz like and subscribe for more funny videos!
19:17 iqualfragile thexyz: stfu
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19:18 thexyz why? :(
19:23 Jordach hmmm https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=122749#p122749
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19:29 Jordach http://bestofcardsagainsthumanity.tumblr.com/
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19:37 harrison it is as i feared
19:39 harrison cisoun
19:40 harrison you might have a bit of loyalty to yr old compatriot of underground
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19:42 john_minetest sfan5: Your windows build is kinda broken. Server list not properly working. Maybe general problem, didn't check yet.
19:43 harrison Advertising is the rattling of a stick inside a swill bucket. -- George Orwell
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19:56 Calinou something is fast according to thexyz for once! :D
19:56 thexyz something I made is fast!
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20:00 thexyz buildcraft is more than 260k installs now it seems
20:04 kizeren How does one go about fixing corrupt chunks/blocks.
20:04 iqualfragile kizeren: well, you will need a goat or a virgin
20:05 iqualfragile and 5 candles
20:05 kizeren I have a wife I can sacrafice.
20:05 iqualfragile did you just call your wife a goat?
20:05 kizeren ShadowNinja said I could open the map.sqlite and use a u64 hash to delete blocks...
20:05 kizeren but he lost me there.
20:05 cisoun harrison: o/
20:06 cisoun what the hell did happen to you ?
20:06 iqualfragile thexyz: yes, i can see that on my server
20:06 iqualfragile milions of clients not supporting httpfetch
20:06 PilzAdam kizeren, you can calculate the hash according to doc/mapformat.txt
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20:09 specing You know what is weird
20:09 specing On megaf's server there is a *wooden* fence submerged in lava
20:09 specing it doesen't burn.
20:10 Calinou fences don't burn
20:10 Calinou (I think)
20:11 ShadowNinja specing: No air for the fire.
20:11 Calinou stuff doesn't burn if it's encased by other nodes too
20:12 Miner_48er has anyone suggested a way to change the day/night ratio?
20:13 specing ShadowNinja: theres air, otherwise I wouldn't be able to look at it
20:13 specing anyway, the fence sticking out
20:13 specing its hilarious to look at
20:14 Calinou Miner_48er, time_speed ?
20:14 Calinou or do you mean ratio? then you would have to make a mod for that :/
20:14 Calinou specing, how do you see that fence?
20:14 Calinou screenshot?
20:15 Miner_48er no that effects time I would like a longer day then night
20:15 PilzAdam one could write a mod that changes time_speed at night to a higher value
20:17 Miner_48er ok maybe that can be included as a conf option in later additions adding to issues for enhancement
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20:21 specing < Calinou> fences don't burn
20:21 specing video game logic.
20:22 Calinou you could fix it
20:22 Calinou talking about that, the tools REALLY need a rebalance
20:22 Calinou tools are too slow, and some of them are useless
20:25 thexyz do that?
20:25 thexyz I don't think any minetest dev is willing to spend time on such problem
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20:28 john_minetest hi again
20:29 Exio4 media still loading
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20:34 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/KxeRP
20:34 thexyz Exio4: what's your speed?
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20:34 thexyz Exio4: there's 10 mb of media, enjoy
20:35 Exio4 256kbps
20:35 Exio4 + overhead
20:36 Peacock at 256kb, i can DL a movie in appx. 15 minutes
20:36 Exio4 256kbps
20:36 Exio4 not kb/s
20:36 Peacock kbps !== kb/s ?
20:36 Exio4 i download at 25KiB/s
20:36 Exio4 Peacock: yeah, but you're using the wrong kb there
20:36 Peacock i thought kbps was kilobytes per second
20:37 Exio4 bits
20:37 Exio4 not bytes
20:37 Peacock ah well who the fuck measures connections in bits per second since the advent of 28k modems lol
20:37 Exio4 ALL the people measures networks at that speed
20:38 troller bits for marketing only
20:38 Peacock well in these parts its mostly mbps, or at worst kb (kilobytes) per second
20:38 thexyz uhh, then there's 10  MEGABYTES of media
20:38 thexyz because I'm too lazy to learn this stuff
20:38 thexyz mb, MB, mB, Mb
20:38 Peacock lol seriously
20:38 Exio4 i'm just saying 256MiB is 8 times more than 256MB
20:39 thexyz Exio4: wait a bit
20:39 Exio4 Mb
20:39 Exio4 or whatever
20:39 thexyz Mi != M
20:39 Exio4 yeah
20:39 kaeza thexyz, it's easy: http://xkcd.com/394/
20:39 specing < Calinou> tools are too slow, and some of them are useless
20:39 Exio4 i got confused now
20:39 thexyz 256 MiB = 256 mebibytes
20:39 thexyz 256 Mb = 256 megabits?
20:39 specing Calinou: look at what they add to the Minerealms server: talonite-- lasts atleast 4 times as long as mese and mines twice as fast
20:39 thexyz 1 mebibyte = 1024 kibibytes
20:39 specing added*
20:40 thexyz 1 megabyte = 1000 kilobytes
20:40 thexyz 1 mebibyte = 1 MiB
20:40 thexyz 1 megabyte = 1 MB
20:40 Exio4 1+1=2
20:40 thexyz IT'S SO EASY
20:40 Peacock jesus can't we just measure things like normal people in kilobytes, megabytes and terrabytes lol
20:41 Peacock *terabytes
20:41 harrison cisoun i was starting to say -- i made a gruelingly explanatory film and now nobody will say anything about it --
20:41 thexyz so kilobyte is 1000 bytes, right?
20:41 Exio4 Peacock: the terabytes of your harddisks are using base 10
20:41 thexyz I mean, it's right
20:41 Exio4 not base 2
20:41 harrison no comments at youtube, no comments on irc, nothing
20:41 Exio4 yeah thexyz
20:41 Peacock well kilo anything is 10*
20:41 Peacock kilometer = 1000 metres
20:41 Calinou specing, I mean, wood/stone/iron tools
20:41 thexyz but some people think that 1 kilobyte = 1024 bytes
20:41 Exio4 i would love that to be true
20:42 harrison and i thought you cisoun might say something for old times sake
20:42 thexyz too much confusion
20:42 Exio4 yeah
20:42 Exio4 1+1=3 now
20:42 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPGmuexvw_A
20:42 harrison same link as before
20:42 harrison only 3? not 3.07 or so?
20:44 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=122803#p122803 inb4 all minetest servers get dos'd
20:44 Exio4 i'm getting bored
20:44 Peacock ironically bots might be more efficient than mobs lol
20:45 Exio4 not really
20:45 harrison i am not a bot
20:45 Exio4 the network overhead ...
20:45 harrison nor efficient, really
20:46 Peacock well mobs are handled within the engine, i imagine bots would have their own outside process
20:47 Exio4 the network and interaction to other shit will still be handle in-engine
20:47 Exio4 that just adds more overhead versus properly done mobs
20:47 Exio4 kaeza: do you have an asha?
20:47 Exio4 aww
20:47 Peacock well i could be an old man before we get properly done mobs lol
20:48 kaeza wtf is wrong with the Asha?
20:48 harrison it is not fun, trust me
20:48 harrison the sere and withered leaf
20:48 Exio4 i want a 311
20:48 Exio4 or 511 really
20:48 Exio4 but 311 = cheap and easy to get
20:48 PilzAdam thexyz, remove it if you think that people get how to DoS with taht
20:48 PilzAdam *that
20:48 thexyz don't know
20:49 Peacock well the connections all come from the same IP right?
20:49 Peacock unless someone goes to the trouble of creating a minetest botnet with the code, should be easy enough to pick up on
20:51 thexyz of course
20:51 thexyz if the server administrator is online
20:51 Exio4 that is the downside of enet
20:51 Exio4 too easy to implement botnets!
20:51 Exio4 thexyz: i don't think i will ever be able to connect
20:51 Peacock well geoip was easy enough to do, just use on player join to keep a list of active IPs and deny connections if more of the same try to connect
20:52 Exio4 i would rate-limit it
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20:52 thexyz Exio4: why are you so impatient?
20:52 thexyz ambient mod is loading
20:52 thexyz wait for it
20:53 Exio4 started 30 minutes ago :P
20:55 thexyz well what can I do
20:55 Exio4 i don't know
20:55 kaeza maybe it's better for thexyz to take a plane and bring an USB stick with the media than to wait for Exio4 to download <.<
20:56 thexyz perhaps
20:56 Exio4 we should try
20:56 Calinou ambient mod, annoying since 2012
20:56 Calinou (is that the mod that plays sounds in the background?)
20:57 Exio4 you're annoying too
20:57 Exio4 dealwithit
20:57 * Calinou deals dogecoin with Exio4
21:01 Megaf Hi all
21:02 thexyz reposting https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8074
21:02 * john_minetest gives Dogecoins to Exio4
21:03 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/5Ju3X
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21:04 Peacock very profit, much hookers, wow
21:05 * sfan5 taps john_minetest
21:05 thexyz there's also fedoracoin now
21:05 thexyz http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/38975955
21:06 john_minetest Peacock: so money
21:07 thexyz gitorious still haven't banned C+=
21:07 thexyz i guess they just don't have ban functionality implemented
21:09 blubblubb is that the joke language created by clueless neckbeards?
21:11 thexyz I guess it could be described that way
21:12 harrison ooh you must be so sophisticated blubblubb
21:12 harrison the casual way you insult other people you know nothing about -- so masterful
21:13 blubblubb dude it's /g/
21:17 harrison http://i.4cdn.org/g/src/1387736619398.jpg
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21:18 blubblubb internet fight!
21:18 harrison gormless pseudotroll
21:21 Peacock petaQs
21:21 harrison i saw what you did
21:21 NakedFury minetest needs gormless pseudotrolls as mobs
21:21 harrison and i know where you live
21:22 Peacock ^ reinforcing the stalker geek stereotype :P
21:22 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrfvIr7cfbY
21:22 harrison nsfw
21:22 blubblubb you must get all the ladies
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21:24 Peacock "you must get all the ladies" - Ariel Castro
21:24 Calinou Peacock, harrison, blubblubb, try not to fight or do such discussions
21:24 Peacock what such discussions?
21:24 harrison he started it
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21:26 harrison i think he is from 4chan
21:26 harrison you will never find a more wretched hive etc
21:26 Peacock dunno everytime i mention stalker geeks calinou reacts :P i guess someone's feeling targeted even though that wasn't my intent :P
21:27 harrison how dare you sir
21:27 harrison how dare you
21:27 * Peacock slaps harrison with a white glove
21:27 Calinou Peacock, I'm not feeling targeted but please don't perpetrate such stereotypes
21:27 harrison it was not peacock
21:27 Peacock well why do you care if it doesn't apply to you :P
21:27 Calinou it'd be better if we looked less creepy, so that the community is more welcoming
21:27 harrison it was blubblubb who is at fault
21:28 Calinou (people can read the logs here)
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21:28 Peacock well people tend to participate first then find out about the logs
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21:28 Peacock reading the logs first then joining the chat does sound slightly more creepy though
21:28 harrison i keep mine own record logs of all that transpires herein
21:29 Peacock jesus i have a hard time simply holding onto all my receipts lol
21:29 harrison i use the log when i draw up my list
21:29 harrison and you are ALL on the list
21:29 harrison mwahahaha
21:31 harrison Peacock, do you ever long for a channel where you can post ascii art without fear?
21:31 Peacock meh, after win 3.1 i lost interest lol
21:32 Peacock and even then i played more Commander Keen than anything else
21:32 harrison because i was going to invite you to #spasim
21:32 harrison but never mind then
21:33 Peacock i rarely remember channel names, i didn't even think IRC was still in use before i came to minetest :P
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21:35 harrison well, we have a radical all-ops policy
21:35 harrison if you want to join
21:35 harrison you will see
21:35 Peacock you mean like half the forums' active members are moderators? XD
21:36 harrison #spasim
21:36 harrison i am being friendly
21:36 harrison it does not happen much
21:40 john_minetest Join ##adventuregames for a radical one-op-policy.
21:40 john_minetest :P
21:41 Peacock im busy plotting the invasion of Zaire
21:43 Peacock after that, Rhodesia and Czechoslovakia
21:48 john_minetest Where is Zaire?
21:48 Peacock somewhere in Africa i think
21:49 john_minetest Who wants to invade the Congo or Rhodesia?
21:49 john_minetest Those are just some countries in africa.
21:49 john_minetest And Czechoslovakia doesn't exist anymore.
21:50 Peacock the joke is that none of those countries exist anymore lol
21:50 Peacock zaire = congo, Czechoslovakia= czeck, Slovakia, Rhodesia = zimbabwe
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21:51 john_minetest Right.
21:51 john_minetest But Czechoslovakia = Czech + Slovakia now.
21:52 john_minetest Like Austria-Hungaria became Austria + Hungaria.
21:57 john_minetest Minetest with AAlib for running it in the console would be _EPIC_
21:58 john_minetest Then I could play without having to start x :D
21:58 john_minetest Or at least I could play while looking like a 1337 haxx0r doing strange stuff on the console.
21:59 thexyz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0eNN4F6P4
22:02 john_minetest nice
22:02 john_minetest maybe color mode would be nice, too
22:05 Exio4 I'm never falling again ~
22:06 ShadowNinja thexyz: What patches did you have for the 100 bot test? enet?
22:07 Exio4 he rewrote minetest in visual basic
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22:08 john_cephalopoda Exio4: You're falling down into your shadow.
22:08 john_cephalopoda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDU2H7q_sJI
22:11 ShadowNinja thexyz: assert(0); isn't valid(in your branch) Release builds won't crash there. Use abort(), terminate(), exit() or similar. (And use errorstream above)
22:12 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Bl6BHXqUg
22:17 john_minetest cya
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22:23 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Allow changing screwdriver mode when pointing at a protected node 5dcc5cb305 2013-12-22T14:16:31-08:00 http://git.io/lT-b0A
22:29 troller specing, but server with 20k blocks will totally unplayable in mt
22:29 specing how much memory is that?
22:30 troller less 1G
22:30 specing is that blocks or chunks?
22:30 ShadowNinja 20000*16*16*16*(32+sizeof(meta) + sizeof(entitydata))
22:31 specing why 32?
22:31 Exio4 meta = ? and entitydata (average?)
22:31 Exio4 (max + min) / 2 :P
22:32 specing wouldn't 4 bytes be enough to uniquely describe a block?
22:32 Exio4 ehm..
22:32 ShadowNinja 2621.44MB with only raw node data. (No meta or entties)
22:32 Exio4 node?
22:32 specing yes, node
22:33 ShadowNinja Erm, /8
22:33 ShadowNinja A MapNode is 32 bits IIRC.
22:33 ShadowNinja 327.68MB.
22:33 troller nearest small goal = 100 players on one server (68 already was)
22:34 ShadowNinja troller: How much memory did that take?
22:34 troller less than 1G
22:34 troller 800-900M
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22:42 VanessaE hi
22:42 Peacock hello denied, you will be assimilated
22:43 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Add protection support to signs 8eff7ba0cd 2013-12-22T14:42:03-08:00 http://git.io/RwCjCg
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22:54 iqualfragile_ thexyz: do you plan on creating a pull request for those performance improvement?
22:54 iqualfragile_ and: where were the biggest problems?
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23:52 Mossmanikin Hi folks
23:52 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Prevent bucket from replacing unloaded nodes 1a9362afed 2013-12-22T15:51:28-08:00 http://git.io/mxx4KA
23:53 kaeza hey
23:54 * Peacock takes kaeza's hay, and makes a bale
23:54 Mossmanikin :D
23:55 kaeza a christian bale?
23:55 kaeza :>
23:55 Peacock naw a jewish bale
23:55 Peacock totally kosher
23:58 VanessaE ha!
23:59 Mossmanikin You heard a word? :D

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