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00:03 * _Megaf making a Snow Leopard VM
00:11 _Megaf OMG
00:11 _Megaf I just found the hugest cave in minetest history!
00:12 _Megaf c55 would be proud of it
00:14 _Megaf VanessaE, kaeza us`0gb thexyz
00:14 _Megaf you got to enter on Megaf's TEST Server
00:14 _Megaf its really impressive
00:15 _Megaf !up megaf.no-ip.info 30005
00:15 MinetestBot megaf.no-ip.info:30005 is up (419ms)
00:16 _Megaf Just find go to my nick when you get there
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00:20 _Megaf 70 nodes high
00:20 _Megaf !!!
00:21 _Megaf I had never seen anything like that
00:21 _Megaf MrBeNNy, megaf.no-ip.info 30005
00:21 arsdragonfly _Megaf scrot?
00:21 _Megaf you really need to see this cave
00:25 _Megaf arsdragonfly, uploading
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00:29 _Megaf HUGE cave, more than 70 nodes from top to bottom, http://www.zimagez.com/galerie/​Minetest-huge-cave-31930-0.php
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00:43 us`0gb _Megaf, I'll take a look in a bit. I need to finish helping my sister erase Windows. Her computer is *NOT* cooperating.
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00:49 _Megaf That cave is so big that water from the ceiling does not get to the caves floor
00:52 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Full unified_inventory and inventory_plus support! https://gi 2013-12-20T16:50:13-08:00 http://git.io/0xha-w
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00:57 VanessaE oooooooooo
00:57 VanessaE UI support!
00:57 VanessaE (piss off about I+ :) )
01:15 us`0gb Adding Minetest repository ....
01:23 _Megaf us`0gb, you ok there?
01:23 us`0gb _Megaf, Still loading.
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01:38 _Megaf Good night, I turned the server off
01:38 SirDigby that cave is epic
01:39 us`0gb I haven't seen one that large, but I also haven't played much since large caves were added.
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01:53 zeldak Exio4, ha I know now why minetest is stragne
01:53 zeldak "This is just base developement version" it says
02:16 Peacock enough mf'ing cooking lol i swear people are gonna leave here 10lbs fatter XD
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02:43 kaeza https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7962235648/hBEE1D3DD/
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03:33 harrison http://youtu.be/SPGmuexvw_A
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09:44 proller 50 ppl reached per server
09:45 VanessaE and no doubt 90% of them are illegal android client users :(
09:45 VanessaE they're coming out of the woodwork :(
09:45 proller kill them all!
09:46 Issa2013 so why u don't get android free if is 90 % illegal ?
09:46 Issa2013 and add some publicity on it
09:46 VanessaE Issa2013: your statement makes no sense
09:46 Issa2013 make no sense
09:46 Issa2013 so add minetest android for paid is a sense
09:46 Issa2013 yes
09:46 VanessaE please try again with more proper English
09:46 VanessaE oh
09:46 VanessaE sorry, grammar FAIL
09:47 VanessaE the problem is the illegal one is illegal because the people who made it violate the Minetest license
09:47 VanessaE and thexyz is already working on a legal port of Freeminer to Android
09:47 VanessaE I guess he's nearly done with it too
09:47 VanessaE but to list it on Google Play will cost at least $25 anyway
09:49 thexyz we should make a kickstarter
09:49 Issa2013 well we can make a paypal account to help him
09:50 thexyz i feel that something is wrong when people volunteer to "make a paypal account" to raise 25 dollars
09:56 thexyz VanessaE: i don't understand why do you want to ban android port users though
09:56 thexyz it's not their fault that they're using "illegal" port
09:57 VanessaE it is their fault if they continue to use that which I've just told them is illegal.  At that point I don't want to have to support them, and if they're on my server, then as the admin I'm kinda expected to do that.
09:58 VanessaE mind you the disconnect message would be incredibly polite, if one could have been possible.
10:00 VanessaE to the tune of "Sorry, but you have been mislead into downloading a program from an illegal or disreputable author (insert name of here).  Please instead download the official Minetest client from (insert address of your Android port here)."
10:00 VanessaE misled?
10:00 VanessaE (I can never be sure the tense of that verb)
10:02 VanessaE when you tell the user they have been misled, they instinctively think "shit, I was LIED TO!" and since they don't see "minetest" anywhere except where they SHOULD have gone, seems to me they'll thing "aw shit, I got stupid"
10:02 VanessaE s/Minetet client from/Freeminer client from/
10:02 VanessaE (sorry, forgot)
10:02 VanessaE whether that leads to a new download of your client or not is immaterial
10:02 VanessaE the point here is to KILL the illegal client
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10:05 Calinou <VanessaE> but to list it on Google Play will cost at least $25 anyway
10:05 Calinou isn't it $5?
10:05 Calinou but that's Google... so they probably raised it
10:05 VanessaE Calinou: ShadowNinja looked it up a couple weeks ago.
10:05 VanessaE $25 to register
10:06 VanessaE then maybe it's another $5 on top of that to list a project
10:06 Calinou maybe you could just do an .apk for now, and put it on F-Droid maybe
10:06 Calinou then do the google stuff when you have the money
10:09 VanessaE if it can be released as an .apk, what's left to do to make it actually work as a Google Play package?
10:09 VanessaE just the formal listings + pay whatever fees, right?
10:10 Calinou yes
10:10 Calinou if people want to use .apk from the Web or from F-Droid they will have to allow "Unknown sources"
10:10 Calinou at least Android allows downloading apps from the web, unlike iOS :)
10:16 specing you could also contact some cs faculty, they surely have an account for pushing student's stuff
10:16 thexyz VanessaE: please instead download an android port which doesn't exist
10:18 VanessaE thexyz: well obviously the "please download X" would instead be something do the effect of "Please use your home PC with the official Freeminer or Minetest clients to access this server." or some words to that effect.
10:18 VanessaE (hm, repetitive.  sorry)
10:19 specing well, if they installed minetest from minetest.net, they could also install the android port from there
10:19 VanessaE I was going on the assumption that you would eventually release your point in some official capacity, possibly even through Google Play if not your own site or the resource Calinou mentioned.
10:19 VanessaE specing: exactly my point.
10:20 VanessaE but the whole point is moot
10:20 VanessaE hmmmm already said this would be pretty much impossible to detect anyway
10:20 VanessaE and in retrospect, doing so would put us in DRM waters, which is a dangerous place to be.
10:21 thexyz uh
10:22 thexyz that's basically saying "fuck off" to them because they're using the wrong client on a wrong platform
10:22 thexyz and that's only because developers don't give a shit
10:22 thexyz and didn't care about developing android client, so they have no right to be able to play from their android devices
10:23 VanessaE thexyz: well what do you suggest we do to kill what is clearly a threat to what little bit of an ecosystem we have here?
10:24 VanessaE they took our code (that includes shit that I wrote too) and artwork, closed-sourced it, and slapped ads on top (or charged money for it, depending on which one you downloaded).  I see this as a threat to one of the central points of Minetest, that it remain free (as in freedom).
10:26 VanessaE and then they tied it to an interface, oh, roughly every fourth user either can't figure out (and I can't help with -- and they're on one of MY servers), or which behaves in some weird way that makes minetest look like a piece of crap
10:27 VanessaE Minetest already does a good enough job looking bad to some people (nevermind whether this is deserved or not, immaterial), it doesn't need help from these Buildcrap guys.
10:28 thexyz in the end only users will suffer
10:28 VanessaE (and yes I realize it's a weird double standard, as on the one hand I don't think they realize it's Minetest for the sake of legality, while on the other hand they may still realize it is and how it makes it look)
10:29 VanessaE so the users suffer if they have no android client, or the users AND the server operators AND the modders all have to suffer (so to speak) by fielding a thousand "shitposts" as you like to call them?
10:30 VanessaE I'd personally rather shut out that portion of the userbase *temporarily* until a proper, legal, fully-Free port (i.e. yours or someone else's) can be put up for distribution
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10:34 thexyz that's the best way to get users angry at you
10:35 thexyz although we're already doing that
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10:39 VanessaE I'd rather they be angry at us for a legit reason, then.
10:39 VanessaE and this is as legit a reason as one is likely to find in the software world, I'd like to think
10:40 VanessaE er, for a reason that results from legit actions on the part of the core devs, of course
10:40 thexyz haha
10:40 VanessaE (to a user, almost any reason to get mad is legit)
10:40 thexyz which reminds me of the story around VLC, its iOS port and GPL
10:47 VanessaE I only vaguely remember hearing something about that, and I'm not even sure if I ever did
10:47 VanessaE some random thing in slashdot, probaby
10:47 VanessaE probably*
10:47 specing Did you send a DMCA already?
10:48 VanessaE specing: a DMCA was sent, Google responded, asking for evidence.
10:49 specing was evidence provided?
10:49 nore VanessaE, do you know if c55 answered?
10:50 VanessaE nore: when he last spoke of it, he had not answered yet (he didn't know what to do), but he may have done so in the meantime.
10:50 thexyz VanessaE: VLC port was pulled down from iOS appstore because one of devs complained appstore rules didn't comply with gpl
10:51 thexyz err, pulled off
10:52 VanessaE pulled from*
10:52 thexyz VanessaE: if it includes the code you wrote too then just send a dmca to google play team
10:53 nore thexyz, do you know which Minetest version they have?
10:53 thexyz no
10:53 VanessaE eh, it includes like 100 LoC at most.  a DMCA complaint would be longer than the code. :P
10:53 VanessaE nore 0.4.8-stable.
10:53 thexyz so what?
10:53 thexyz it doesn't matter
10:53 thexyz if they infringe your copyright
10:53 thexyz then you should send a dmca
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11:02 specing Speaking of guests, proller: you have some kicking on sky to do
11:04 thexyz why?
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11:59 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
12:00 VanessaE hi
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12:02 Megaf Hi folks, huge minetestserver crash
12:02 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/72064/
12:02 Megaf *** glibc detected *** ./minetestserver: double free or corruption (out): 0x00007f6d70416bb0 ***
12:02 VanessaE haven't seen one of those in a while...
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12:06 PilzAdam Megaf, can we get a gdb backtrace with a debug build of this?
12:06 PilzAdam also, which Minetest version is that and is it reproduceable?
12:06 Megaf PilzAdam, I think you can not. It's not something that happens often
12:07 Megaf PilzAdam, however, I'd like you to help me finish to port minetest to Mac later on
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12:16 XploitR Hello
12:17 XploitR Found A fork which violates licence
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12:17 PilzAdam XploitR, where is that fork?
12:18 raffahacks It's me :)
12:18 raffahacks The fork
12:18 raffahacks Is the android port
12:18 VanessaE ...
12:19 raffahacks Searh on play store for buildcraft
12:19 raffahacks Or on google
12:19 * VanessaE refrains ....
12:19 raffahacks They just changed the name
12:19 VanessaE PilzAdam: sick him.
12:19 Megaf raffahacks, I am close to get minetest working on Mac
12:19 raffahacks But it's not open
12:19 Megaf raffahacks, it compile already, but it's not running yet
12:19 raffahacks Thanks megaf
12:20 VanessaE oh wait.
12:20 VanessaE we all know about that android port, unless you're somehow claiming responsibility for it.
12:21 raffahacks Is the source online
12:21 raffahacks Ok just received a mail
12:22 raffahacks Am wrong, sorry
12:22 raffahacks Source's online
12:22 VanessaE the only sources we know of are our own as in what we've published on github
12:23 raffahacks This is the pasted mail
12:23 raffahacks Yes, we released the modified code under LGPL if you are looking.
12:23 raffahacks https://github.com/lukepeng/Buildcraft
12:23 raffahacks You also can find the url on credits bottom.p
12:24 raffahacks Thank you, have to go to eat, bye
12:24 raffahacks Bye
12:25 VanessaE indeed?
12:30 VanessaE echoed the substance of the above to -dev
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12:54 Megaf cool, I love Linux
12:54 Megaf I mean, GNU/Linux
12:54 Megaf nah
12:54 Megaf I love POSIX Operating Systems
12:55 Megaf We can make some cool script for automation
12:55 VanessaE bbl
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13:22 aldobr hi all
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13:23 harrison [07:08:40] <Megaf> I love POSIX Operating Systems
13:23 harrison Are you posixtive about that?
13:23 Megaf heh
13:23 Megaf yep
13:24 Megaf Can anyone please join my server to tell me about its performance?
13:24 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
13:24 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (219ms)
13:25 harrison briefly
13:25 harrison i will briefly
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13:25 aldobr do we have client side lua scripting ability ?
13:26 thexyz no
13:27 aldobr ok...
13:27 harrison Megaf: still connecting....
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13:43 aldobr is it possible to change player model size with lua ?
13:43 aldobr i want to create a mod for growth and reduction potions
13:43 nore aldobr, I don't think so
13:44 aldobr :(
13:44 aldobr its would be a very fun mod
13:46 thexyz what about having multiple models of different sizes?
13:47 aldobr yes, that would cut
13:47 thexyz hm.. I'm not sure if the API allows us to do it
13:47 thexyz guess it doesn't
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13:55 aldobr https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5957
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13:55 aldobr this thing allows changing the player model (i will study the source code)
13:56 aldobr but i dont know how the game would react to a bigger or smaller model, under various circunstances
13:56 aldobr ex.: what happens to bounding boxes ?
13:56 aldobr how to setup the camera (eyes) to the correct heigth ?
13:56 aldobr etc
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14:05 SirDigby hello
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14:15 kaeza afternoons
14:19 iqualfragile hi kaeza
14:37 aldobr hi  kaeza
14:39 aldobr thats the mod that i want to do : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmhUE9o_IDY
14:42 SirDigby to much to do:
14:44 kaeza aldobr, the only thing I see impossible to do there is changing the eye position/height
14:45 aldobr theres a bounding box change when you are giant or small
14:45 aldobr ex.: you can enter 1 block height passages when you are small
14:45 aldobr you cant enter normal doors when you are giant etc
14:45 kaeza yes, but in Minetest you can't change players' collisionbox (AFAIK)
14:47 kaeza could be a nice feature
14:47 aldobr very fun mod
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14:47 aldobr i would add a mobzilla monster
14:48 aldobr so you get to giant heigth to fight him etc :P
14:48 aldobr or you use the potion on him to make him small
14:48 aldobr lots of uses
14:50 aldobr mobzilla : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjbnW1-Rnio
14:53 harrison make my monster ... grow!
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15:11 proller 60 ppls online on one server!
15:12 proller 934M   792M usem    0  22.4H 86.77% freeminerserver
15:13 proller 2574 blocks in memory
15:14 nore ... that's a lot
15:19 proller an it still playable
15:19 proller (except problems with my bandwidth and serving media)
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15:42 specing proller: Have you thought about adding unified_inventory onto your server? (having bags and a crafting guide would be cool)
15:42 proller i want to add it to freeminer base
15:44 Megaf VanessaE, Ping
15:44 specing proller: laaaaaag
15:45 proller yes 8(
15:50 * specing slaps proller
15:51 Megaf I have tones of lag on my server too
15:51 Megaf but I don't know if a problem with my connection or server configuration
15:51 Megaf I know my ISP have a broken fiber
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16:19 Megaf now my servers peaks 54 KB/s
16:19 Megaf where in reality it could do 12 MB/s easily
16:19 Megaf and some players are lagged
16:19 Megaf 70 KB/s peak
16:20 Megaf average 60 KB/s
16:21 Megaf CPU load at 80 %
16:21 Megaf could do 200 %
16:21 Megaf or more
16:21 Megaf So, I just cant understand the lag
16:21 Megaf I got plenty of resources free
16:22 Megaf 380 MB of ram free too
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16:24 ShadowNinja The protocol is very slow, and both sapier and xyz are working on fixing that.
16:24 thexyz I'm not really "working" on it; I've just integrated enet
16:25 thexyz and sapier apparently is trying to adapt the current protocol or fix it in some other way
16:25 Megaf you could replace the protocol entirely
16:25 Megaf no need for backwards compatibility
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16:28 Megaf thexyz, that enet you said another day, thats the thing with a new protocol?
16:30 thexyz yes
16:30 thexyz sapier (and everybody else) wants backwards compatibility
16:30 thexyz I also heard some talk about adding TCP on the top
16:30 Megaf that will make things slower, will add overhead
16:30 Megaf we dont need that
16:31 Megaf we need something simple and lightweight by design
16:31 Megaf so has to be redesigned
16:32 thexyz why would that add any overhead?
16:34 specing I think bags are too cheap to make
16:34 specing only 27 tree trunks to make 4 large bags
16:34 Megaf heh
16:34 Megaf bags are useful
16:35 specing yes, but too cheap to make
16:35 ShadowNinja Megaf: You should turn down that 255 max, unless you're launching hundreds of bots at your server.
16:35 specing should require cotton or something that is harder to get
16:35 Megaf ShadowNinja, doest it makes the server more slow just for being a high number?
16:36 ShadowNinja specing: Yes, before they took a lot more wood, but only woid.
16:36 ShadowNinja wood*
16:36 ShadowNinja Megaf: A high number makes your server vulnerable to DoS attacks.
16:37 Megaf do we have DoS attacks already?
16:38 Megaf Why would someone attack minetest? We are quite small
16:38 NakedFury why would someone attack anything?
16:39 Calinou NakedFury, because they are bored
16:39 Calinou or for money
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16:40 kaeza for teh lulz
16:40 NakedFury ^ there is your answer Megaf
16:40 Megaf ok
16:41 ShadowNinja I think there was one DoS attack, but it can be easily done without the server knowing your IP.
16:43 Megaf Another cool thing that cool be implemented is
16:43 Megaf I'm going to write that on a topic
16:43 Megaf brb
16:45 thexyz lol
16:45 thexyz > DoS'ing minetest server
16:45 thexyz > ever
16:50 thexyz https://gitorious.org/opensuse
16:52 thexyz what's the point if it lags anyway
16:53 thexyz http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/boa​rd/tg/image/1364/60/1364603166383.png
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17:10 harrison i added the narrative essay to the yt page
17:10 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPGmuexvw_A
17:10 harrison i xosted myself making that film
17:11 harrison to please the cavilling critical masses
17:11 harrison who complained that the didn't understand the previous films
17:11 harrison i predict that those people will hate this one even more
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17:14 Jordach eveni
17:14 Jordach ing*
17:25 kaeza anyone else having problems accessing the forums?
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17:26 Jordach Server load
17:26 thexyz there are no problems
17:27 kaeza eh lol
17:27 kaeza restarting failfox fixed the problem
17:28 kaeza this thing royally sucks sometimes
17:31 thexyz install chromium
17:32 Calinou firefox works for me
17:32 Calinou but I use chromium
17:32 Jordach I use it on droid
17:32 Jordach works for me 8D
17:37 thexyz why?
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17:40 Megaf firefox works fine here too
17:40 Megaf I used to be a firefox hater
17:41 Megaf but now a days its a pretty decent browser
17:41 thexyz I personally prefer chromium because I find it more convenient to use and faster
17:41 Megaf its my main browser since Opera is not offering a Linux version for the last 8 releases
17:41 kaeza firefox uses 100% of one CPU for me, while chromium doesn't
17:41 Megaf I use midori a a lot too
17:42 harrison and its is shiny -- objects plated with chromium have a mirrorlike appearance
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17:42 us^0gb I used to like firefox. But then they introduced this one "feature" that really bothers me. The address bar no longer displays the real URI of a page, so I no longer use Firefox.
17:44 Calinou chromium does that too?
17:45 us^0gb Yeah, Chromium does it even worse. At least in Firefox, you can partially disable it. But only partially.
17:45 thexyz what are you talking about?
17:47 us^0gb The address bar in most popular browsers these days garbles URIs in the address bar in some way, thexyz.
17:47 thexyz hm.. I think it looks fine for me in chromium
17:48 us^0gb Firefox decodes URI-encoded characters. Chromium does that and stripps of the protocol prefix.
17:48 thexyz ah
17:48 thexyz is that a problem? why?
17:48 thexyz it only strips off http://
17:49 us^0gb Because it isn't showing me the real address of a page, but a permutation of it. For many people, that isn't an issue, but for me, it's quite annoying.
17:49 NakedFury and who uses http to visit a website this days
17:49 thexyz well not everything supports https
17:49 us^0gb I visit all sorts of HTTP sites.
17:49 Calinou if you copy the link, the http:// is taken
17:49 thexyz us^0gb: don't know why's that a problem
17:50 Calinou if you don't specify protocol, http or https is presumed
17:51 us^0gb The problem is that it annoys me. Is is a problem of annoyance, not practicality. There is no good reason to strip that data. As long as there is a free browser that doesn't have that "feature" or that allows that "feature" to be fully disabled, I don't see why I should have to deal with it.
17:52 Calinou it SAVES SPACE
17:52 thexyz us^0gb: why, I think there's a reason
17:52 thexyz it looks nice
17:52 Calinou not everyone has big screens or likes scrolling through URLs
17:52 Calinou it is also REDUNDANT
17:52 Calinou redundant info is useless
17:52 thexyz i.e.
17:52 thexyz %E9%9B%BB%E6%92%83%E3%83%97%E3%83%AC%E3%82​%A4%E3%82%B9%E3%83%86%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B7%E3​%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E7%B7%A8%E9%9B%86%E9%83%A8​/dp/4048660489/ref=pd_rhf_dp_p_t_1_HPZR
17:52 NakedFury there is no good reason to NOT strip that data
17:53 thexyz hmmm...
17:53 thexyz I think quassel fucked up
17:53 us^0gb The reason is that it obscures the truth. Spaces are not allowed in addresses. Why should it look like they are? An address must have a protocol. Why should it look like none is used?
17:54 thexyz here's the url I'm talking about: http://goo.gl/Nv8ZDD
17:54 thexyz ah, you're just raging
17:54 Calinou us^0gb, a default protocol is assumed, because it's the most used one
17:54 thexyz then there's no point in talking
17:54 Calinou it's the same reason tab list is not shown if you only have 1 tab open...
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17:54 us^0gb I'm not raging, I'm not even upset. SO long as I have Midori.
17:55 us^0gb *So
17:55 kaeza and the same reason URLs are not shown inline for
17:55 kaeza -for
17:56 us^0gb To each their own. I just wish it could be disabled. Then both sets of beliefs could win.
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17:57 kaeza http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/T​echnologically_22450f_2347282.jpg
17:57 thexyz you can just write a patch
17:57 thexyz kaeza: this site looks like shit :(
17:58 thexyz is this an image board?
17:59 kaeza supposedly :<
18:00 us^0gb Drats. It looks like Midori is decoding some, but not all, URI-encoded characters. That's even worse, it isn't even consistent.
18:00 kaeza futaba ftw
18:00 thexyz just write a patch
18:00 kaeza (or *booru)
18:01 thexyz and place it to /etc/portage/patches/www-client/chromium/
18:01 Megaf Hold your hats!
18:01 thexyz somewhere around
18:01 * Megaf is compiling minetest on a Raspberry Pi
18:01 Megaf 0%!
18:01 kaeza aww
18:01 kaeza I thought you fixed the Mac port :<
18:01 thexyz kaeza: it's not like the software matters
18:02 Megaf kaeza, thexyz stopped helping me
18:02 thexyz lol
18:02 thexyz fuck me, right
18:02 thexyz for not helping someone in need
18:02 kaeza thexyz, still, it's a nice software
18:02 thexyz dunno, I have never used it
18:02 Megaf_ ok
18:02 Megaf_ Lets do this shit
18:02 thexyz kaeza: we should have a moebooru instance for Minetest
18:02 thexyz instead of that godawful mediagoblin
18:03 kaeza ^
18:03 thexyz although I honestly can't imagine this happening
18:03 Megaf_ thexyz: so, Here is where I am now http://paste.debian.net/72103/
18:04 Megaf_ Thats the debug stuff
18:04 thexyz Megaf_: well I'm sorry but I'm not a fan of such remote debugging
18:04 thexyz or, how we call it, debugging-over-irc
18:04 thexyz gdb-over-irc
18:04 thexyz if you want to ask something specific then go on
18:04 Megaf_ thexyz: Would you like remote access to a Mac?
18:05 thexyz if you want to go the "fix this shit" route then I probably can't help
18:05 thexyz what kind of remote access?
18:05 Megaf_ ssh
18:05 Megaf_ full root
18:05 thexyz maybe
18:06 thexyz and how will I debug a graphical app then?
18:06 Megaf_ I can give you VNC then
18:06 thexyz okay
18:07 Megaf_ thexyz: Just let me get things ready
18:07 Megaf_ thexyz: Do you prefer to start from scratch or from I have stopped?
18:07 thexyz no, not from scratch
18:07 thexyz I'm also not willing to spend more than 1 hour on it, starting from now <3
18:07 Megaf_ lol
18:08 Megaf_ so I better fix that alone
18:08 thexyz as you wish
18:08 Megaf_ I'm not giving you control over my Mac, I would give you a virtual machine
18:08 Megaf_ I still need to install some software there
18:08 thexyz then I don't really see the point
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18:10 Megaf_ PilzAdam: Hi there
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18:14 Megaf_ ShadowNinja: You are not shadowzone are you?
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18:14 ShadowNinja Megaf: Nope.
18:14 Mossmanikin Hi folks
18:14 kaeza hey Mossmanikin
18:15 ShadowNinja Hello Mossmanikin.
18:17 us^0gb Hello, Mossmanikin!
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18:22 us^0gb It seems even Midori has this issue, though to a much lesser extent. Time to browser shop again.
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18:25 Mossmanikin Just curious: what's the issue?
18:27 us^0gb The issue is that URI-encoded characters in the address bar are being displayed incorrectly. That is to say, they are being displayed in their decoded state.
18:27 us^0gb Midori only does this with some characters, but more popular browsers do it with all characters.
18:27 Mossmanikin Ok, thanks
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18:34 thexyz > year of linux desktop
18:34 thexyz > wifi still can't just work
18:37 us^0gb Yeah, also graphics cards.
18:38 us^0gb Both my wireless card and my graphics card freeze my system if I don't use some workarounds.
18:39 Calinou wifi works OOTB often, but often requirs non-free firmware
18:40 us^0gb Even with non-free firmware, one laptop in my house won't even recognize the wireless card.
18:41 thexyz Calinou: well, it sort of works
18:41 thexyz but then just stopts
18:41 thexyz stops working
18:41 thexyz magic!
18:41 thexyz so I have to reboot to fix it
18:41 thexyz this is a bit irritating
18:42 Calinou this never happened to me
18:43 Calinou I have a netbook with atheros wifi, that rarely crashes, but wifi works again if you disable and enable it again hardware-wise (Fn+F2)
18:44 thexyz uh, this is a desktop
18:45 thexyz https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61621
18:45 thexyz known bug
18:45 Calinou >wifi >desktop
18:45 thexyz yes?
18:46 thexyz > typical linux fanboy telling me some feature doesn't work because it's not needed
18:46 thexyz and no one obviously uses that!
18:47 Calinou why would you use wifi on a desktop?
18:49 thexyz why would you ask a question and then quit?
18:49 thexyz that's because running a cable to this room is not an option
18:49 thexyz and wifi generally works well enough
18:50 thexyz to not even bother with cables
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19:13 _Megaf [100%] Built target minetestserver
19:13 _Megaf real    72m19.510s
19:14 _Megaf 72 minutes to compile the latest minetestserver on my Pi
19:17 _Megaf !up megaf.no-ip.info 30001
19:17 MinetestBot megaf.no-ip.info:30001 is up (668ms)
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19:23 thexyz oh wow nvidia is so awful
19:25 PilzAdam I never had any problems with my nvidia card
19:25 thexyz both my video card are running on the max performance level and I cannot lower it
19:25 thexyz I cannot underclock the card either, without reflashing its bios
19:25 thexyz what the fuck
19:29 us^0gb Wifi is just so much easier. All the desktops in my house are on wifi.
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19:34 thexyz indeed
19:34 thexyz when it works
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19:38 thexyz Calinou: why is nvidia so awful?
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19:39 Calinou because people keep buying their graphic cards?
19:40 Calinou I'm very surprised to hear you saying nvidia is awful
19:40 Calinou you're usually the kind of person who would say they are "the win"
19:41 thexyz I heard that other video card are even worse
19:41 thexyz I loved them until I got this crazy setup with two video cards
19:42 thexyz maybe I should just build a htpc instead?
19:43 thexyz or wait for steambox
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19:44 moldy hi
19:45 moldy how does minetest relate to minecraft? the screenshots look so similiar. is it more or less a clone?
19:46 kaeza moldy, other than the genre, nothing
19:46 moldy kaeza: hm, ok
19:47 kaeza actually depends on what you are talking about
19:47 kaeza minetest is the engine, and minetest_game is the game
19:48 moldy kaeza: i see
19:50 Jordach *reading scrollback*
19:51 Jordach mostly ol xyz bitching about foss world problems
19:53 kaeza moldy, you can more or less do anything by making a game to run on the engine; minetest_game has rather minimal minecraft-like gameplay, while games like MiniTest tries to actually emulate MC gameplay. There's also Realtest which tries to give a more "realistic" feel, or you can just mix and match mods to create your own game
19:53 kaeza wow that was longer than I thought
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20:58 us^0gb thexyz: I'm told Intel graphics cards work out of the box.
20:58 iqualfragile us^0gb: they should
21:00 _Megaf Is there anyway to fix a broken world?
21:00 _Megaf 17:54:22: ERROR[EmergeThread0]: Invalid block data in database (4,-1,4) (SerializationError): decompressZlib: inflate failed
21:00 _Megaf 17:54:27: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: Invalid data in MapBlock (4,-1,4)
21:00 w_laenger they do not if you have installed wrong graphics drivers
21:00 iqualfragile _Megaf: yes, you first need to aquire a goat or alternatively a virgin
21:00 iqualfragile and at least 5 candles
21:01 iqualfragile then you put the virgin/goat on your satans shrine
21:02 iqualfragile cut its cartoid atery
21:02 iqualfragile using the blood you now proceed to draw a pentagram
21:03 iqualfragile make sure that the angle is off by less then 1 percent!
21:03 iqualfragile then place the candles where lines cross, light them all using burning coal
21:04 iqualfragile continue trading your soul to satan and he will fix your problem
21:04 iqualfragile _Megaf: thats how you fix a broken map
21:05 w_laenger How often can you repair a map in this way?
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21:08 us^0gb w_laenger: Only once. It costs your soul to do it, and you only get one soul.
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21:09 w_laenger And if you are SATAn?
21:10 us^0gb I don't know another way to fix the maps though. If you know how to manipulate SQLite files, you could delete the broken map block, saving the rest of the map.
21:10 w_laenger SATAN ?= Serial Advanced Technology Attachment New
21:10 _Megaf iqualfragile, I dont think so
21:11 us^0gb Maybe. I haven't used SATAN yet.
21:11 us^0gb I'm waiting for the free version.
21:11 w_laenger actually it's something different
21:11 w_laenger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Ad​ministrator_Tool_for_Analyzing_Networks
21:12 Mossmanikin_ Can't help laughing
21:12 * us^0gb busts up laughing that someone would use that acronym for their product
21:14 harrison For those offended by the name, the package contains a program called repent, which changes everything named SATAN to SANTA.
21:15 Mossmanikin_ :D
21:15 kaeza "Shortly before beginning the GNU project, I heard about the Free University Compiler Kit, also known as VUCK. (The Dutch word for "free" is written with a V.)" -- RMS
21:15 harrison The Free University is also known as "Vuck U."
21:15 us^0gb Nice.
21:16 harrison Interestingly, they hired an American as the college president
21:16 harrison Charles Urquhart Farley
21:16 harrison his friends call him Chuck U Farley of course
21:17 us^0gb Of course.
21:19 Mossmanikin_ Still interesting question: how to fix a broken world? ...
21:19 harrison tikkun olam?
21:19 harrison gosh i am quick
21:19 harrison no wonder i am disliked
21:20 harrison jealousy
21:20 w_laenger you could use sqliteman
21:22 w_laenger you could also do a right click onto it and click on "repair"
21:22 harrison i live in a weaksauce world
21:23 harrison where o where is the one proud enough, brave enough
21:23 harrison to leave the first comment on my film?
21:23 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPGmuexvw_A
21:23 harrison 44 views and no comments and no likes and one dislike is a outrage
21:23 harrison i shall register a complaint with the Committee
21:23 w_laenger finally something to watch
21:28 w_laenger Now I watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvaGd4KqlvQ
21:29 w_laenger now this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O04ErnJ8USY
21:32 w_laenger and now I watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3Bh7D9M-Ao
21:34 w_laenger the last one has something to do with minetest
21:35 harrison no comment?!
21:35 harrison this is a outrage!!
21:36 w_laenger an*
21:36 Mossmanikin_ I bet it's too scientific for a popular site like YouTube
21:36 harrison I bet it is too scientific for any site
21:37 w_laenger I changed the view count to 57 by reloading
21:38 harrison do you think i should try xtube instead and make an mpeg-compressed porno film titled "Mmm, Peggy!"?
21:38 harrison rimshot
21:38 Mossmanikin_ You'd surely get some likes...
21:38 harrison not so
21:39 harrison and no comments
21:39 w_laenger I don't have a youtube account, so...
21:39 harrison from the weaksauce gormless mooncalf crowd of plebeians called "people other than me"
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21:40 MinetestBot RealBadAngel: <nore> could you tell me what you think about that please? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1041
21:40 harrison is it correct to use "weaksauce" as an adjective like that?
21:41 Mossmanikin_ Who cares? Creativity rules.
21:41 w_laenger don't ask me, here are other people, too and they should write here sth
21:42 harrison i am only pretending
21:42 harrison it is just how i ,04droll
21:42 w_laenger droll is red marked
21:43 w_laenger how can you do this?
21:43 Mossmanikin_ First red word I ever seen here :D
21:44 w_laenger I marked it with my mouse, now it's grey
21:44 Mossmanikin_ Still red here
21:45 harrison w_laenger: my irc client is quasselclient with a remote core
21:45 harrison you coulld use monolithic quassel to color text
21:46 harrison or there are outside tools like jave
21:46 harrison to make ascii art
21:46 harrison i would post an example
21:46 harrison but MinetestBot is strict and would kick me
21:46 Mossmanikin_ Yeah
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21:47 harrison i have some lovely ascii art, too
21:47 harrison hello kitty with the nazi battle flag
21:47 w_laenger 3(E>3=6+9- 1%>3)6+!?6*7."8,0$�ƫ�γѽ��ŪkQ2sY:M6U> M6U>"fM)nU18
21:47 harrison hello kitty with an ak47
21:47 Mossmanikin_ :D
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21:48 w_laenger �z�~r�������������​����������������​�������0)#(!0)#(!�����ï¿​½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½z�~​r���������������ï¿​½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿​½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½0)#(!����������​��������������                              MD;E<3��
21:48 harrison an ad for an imaginary soft drink marketed to otaku types called tentacle grape
21:48 Mossmanikin_ See a lot of question marks...
21:48 w_laenger #(!0)#(!sadads
21:48 w_laenger it's inderlined
21:48 w_laenger under*
21:49 w_laenger #(!0
21:49 w_laenger #d
21:49 w_laenger #minetest
21:50 Mossmanikin_ Interesting, but makes no sense
21:52 w_laenger ��DE�Z�pZ�I�D�������������(�����(7�M��#�
21:52 w_laenger I got this stuff with cat
21:52 w_laenger (�`Ë®=��h�ϒ��k{hA��j�{@(ï¿​½'P�[-��.����f�P΀F��q�​�U>�c�3V���7��֑��O;�ï¿​½X��4ʽ�˼�8�����\2R��ï​¿½ï¿½qXnt�a�e�c�H>vO�a�R��@ï¿​½ï¿½Kb����-�?�������l​�}��A�Oz�v&?��V��`��:ï¿​½m��Þ�ŋ�+��0���W R�~�����c�&9íï¿​½79Ѣ�ƿn���.��uï¿
21:52 zash you have a cat?
21:53 w_laenger I had one
21:53 Mossmanikin_ Still just a lot of question marks, looks a bit like modern art
21:53 NekoGloop don't use cat on non-text files
21:53 w_laenger Ѣƿ
21:53 zash looks like line noise
21:53 w_laenger why not?
21:53 zash just missing +++NO CARRIER
21:53 NekoGloop because cat is for text files
21:53 w_laenger why?
21:54 zash cat is for concatenating multiple files
21:54 NekoGloop because cat
21:54 Mossmanikin_ Noise can be art, but sometimes hard to say...
21:54 NekoGloop so anyway
21:54 NekoGloop how goes the testing of the mines
21:55 w_laenger http://pastebin.com/i5hY2Unx
21:56 phantombeta Hi
21:56 Mossmanikin_ Dunno if I should install something to encrypt it...
21:56 Mossmanikin_ phantombeta: Hi
21:56 zash look in /dev/urandom
21:56 w_laenger hi
21:56 phantombeta 'sup?
21:57 w_laenger !help
21:57 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
21:57 thexyz what the fuck?
21:57 Jordach leagner, stop spamming
21:57 Mossmanikin_ Just chattin a bit
21:58 w_laenger !b32e � ���H��  �"�� � ��1
21:58 MinetestBot 56732IAW56732BHPX66QJ357XVEO7P5556732IBA​56732IXPX6667P55EDX37PJACLX37PIE56732MI=
21:58 Jordach hey mossy
21:58 w_laenger !b32d 56732IAW56732BHPX66QJ357XVEO7P5556732IBA​56732IXPX6667P55EDX37PJACLX37PIE56732MI=
21:58 MinetestBot \xef\xbf\xbd \x16\xef\xbf\xbd\x04\xef\xbf\xbd\x04\​xef\xbf\xbdH\xef\xbf\xbd\xef\xbf\xbd  \xef\xbf\xbd"\xef\xbf\xbd\xef\xbf\xbd \xef\xbf\xbd \x12\xef\xbf\xbd\x04\xef\xbf\xbd1
21:58 Mossmanikin_ Whattef?
21:58 Mossmanikin_ Hi Jordach :)
21:59 Jordach dammit, last warning lawgner
21:59 Mossmanikin_ ?
21:59 Jordach cant spell on a tablet :P
21:59 Mossmanikin_ ^^
21:59 Jordach moss, generating channel flood / spam
22:00 w_laenger !b32e �
22:00 MinetestBot 56732===
22:00 Mossmanikin_ Yeah, understood ;)
22:01 w_laenger it looks like I woke Jordach
22:01 NekoGloop Jordach, how goes the testing of the mines
22:01 Jordach im acrually playjng mc360 right now
22:02 w_laenger you was*
22:02 Mossmanikin_ I wish it would make any sense, those signs, but unfortunately it doesn't
22:02 Jordach girlfriend plays splitscreen
22:02 NekoGloop eugh
22:02 NekoGloop I hate splitscreen MC
22:03 NekoGloop though the MC360 controls are enough to be blech
22:03 Jordach 1080p 50in tv solces that
22:03 Mossmanikin_ The german "blech"?
22:03 w_laenger that's the point→ ̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣
22:04 w_laenger ok, it looks like a small square
22:04 MinetestBot GIT: RealBadAngel commited to minetest/minetest: Bugfix to get_all_craft_recipes. 7ae0b90ff7 2013-12-21T14:03:51-08:00 http://git.io/j0O0Yg
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22:06 Jordach \o/ finally solves that rather annoying bug in ui
22:08 RealBadAngel it wasnt only UI bug
22:09 RealBadAngel somebody made cleanup to the function i made and broke it
22:09 _Megaf 22:09:22: ERROR[ServerThread]: Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "moreblocks:horizontal_jungle_tree" at (58,-30,2) (block (3,-2,0))
22:09 _Megaf VanessaE, Millions of these at different locations
22:09 _Megaf whats going one?
22:10 Jordach its your problem for writing bad code, rba
22:10 RealBadAngel not really
22:10 RealBadAngel my code was working one
22:10 RealBadAngel the one who made it lookin nicer, fucked it up
22:12 RealBadAngel some1 rewrote the function without knowing how it works and what it should do
22:13 w_laenger I thought it's Calyou's code
22:14 w_laenger !c 1+1
22:14 MinetestBot IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/calc.py", line 46, in c)
22:15 RealBadAngel anyway its fixed now, issue closed
22:16 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: are there any bump/normalmaps for the default tp?
22:17 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, its Bumped tp
22:17 w_laenger could you make a chocolate TP?
22:17 RealBadAngel you can use only _normal.png 's from it
22:17 iqualfragile link?
22:17 RealBadAngel hold on
22:17 w_laenger with bumpmapping
22:18 RealBadAngel https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7762
22:19 RealBadAngel from the zip you can delete all the upscaled default textures, leaving only normals
22:19 RealBadAngel the texture pack is discontinued however, that effect will be aviable as an option ingame
22:19 RealBadAngel without need for any extra file
22:19 w_laenger what happens if I would call something normal.png or normal_normal.png?
22:19 RealBadAngel *s
22:20 RealBadAngel normal map file name is generated based on texture file, adding "_normal" at the end
22:21 RealBadAngel so if theres for example default_stone.png , engine will check for existence of default_stone_normal.png
22:21 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: how would you add this efect without files?
22:21 RealBadAngel its generated on the fly
22:22 iqualfragile you can not do that
22:22 RealBadAngel applying 3x3 sobel operator
22:22 iqualfragile there is no explicit height information in ususal textures
22:22 RealBadAngel ofc i can, its working already
22:22 RealBadAngel wanna see the screenshots?
22:22 iqualfragile yes
22:22 RealBadAngel a sec
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22:24 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/LEzebiX.png http://i.imgur.com/RX2BUjh.png
22:24 RealBadAngel thats with sphax's 256x
22:24 RealBadAngel without and with effect on
22:25 w_laenger does bumpmapping depend on the look-position?
22:25 iqualfragile w_laenger: it does depend on light
22:26 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/NcVNdwL.png http://i.imgur.com/Jh13V2j.png http://i.imgur.com/KHgOlOy.png
22:26 iqualfragile and there is no real light in minetest yet
22:26 RealBadAngel and ^^ some screenshots taken on VanessaE's survival server
22:26 kaeza so much negativity in this channel lately
22:26 iqualfragile i do not find these heightmaps to be satisfying
22:26 iqualfragile kaeza: you think so?
22:26 w_laenger and it doesn't work with openGL 2.0
22:27 Mossmanikin_ So glad you're working on realism, RBA
22:27 RealBadAngel ofc you can make better normal maps
22:27 iqualfragile good
22:27 RealBadAngel point is to allow simple bumping feature for all folks without having to make them
22:27 w_laenger when will water flow away torches?
22:27 iqualfragile w_laenger: when you implement it?
22:28 RealBadAngel if you would like to see better ones try HavenNG
22:28 w_laenger I don't have time for it
22:28 w_laenger and compiling minetest takes very long
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22:28 iqualfragile w_laenger: but you do have time to play minetest?
22:28 w_laenger yes
22:29 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: might take a look allthought i dislike the look of those high-res non-comic tps
22:29 w_laenger playing minetest is more important, isn't it?
22:29 RealBadAngel w_laenger, what doesnt work with OpenGL 2.0?
22:29 w_laenger liquid use of shaders
22:30 RealBadAngel w_laenger, then please do provide me error logs you are getting, together with info on your os/drivers you are using
22:31 w_laenger I don't get error logs if I enable the bumpmapping setting
22:32 w_laenger it just works like with shaders and without bumpmapping
22:32 RealBadAngel wait a sec, what are you talking about? bumpmapping or water waving shaders?
22:33 w_laenger water waving is useless with 1 FPS
22:33 w_laenger but ti works
22:33 w_laenger it*
22:33 RealBadAngel and bumpmapping is useless without texture pack that supports normal maps
22:34 w_laenger it's useless for me, too if I use such a texture pack
22:34 RealBadAngel useless in what meaning?
22:34 w_laenger it doesn't seem to cause something
22:35 RealBadAngel what texture pack have you tried actually?
22:35 w_laenger VaE's texture pack
22:35 RealBadAngel it doesnt support any normal maps
22:35 RealBadAngel any other?
22:35 w_laenger I read that it supports them
22:35 RealBadAngel hold on for the link
22:36 w_laenger and I didn't find other texture packs with normal maps
22:36 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/minet​est/HavenNG/HavenNG_256x.zip
22:36 RealBadAngel because you dont read forums? ;)
22:36 w_laenger ok, except your's
22:38 RealBadAngel folks are free to create anothers, i just gave them ability to do so
22:39 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: any progress on getting real lights into minetest?
22:39 w_laenger I still don't see a difference between enabled and disabled bumpmapping
22:39 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, i will get to it in the future, i still do have many ongoing projects
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22:40 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: while bumpmaping dos improve the looks of minetest quite a bit it actuall makes it look wore without lights
22:41 RealBadAngel w_laenger, please check if you have selected mine texture pack, have enabled shaders, bumpmapping and parallax occlusion
22:42 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, implementing real lighting is not so easy when theres already another light system ingame
22:44 w_laenger I enabled these and don't really see a difference
22:46 RealBadAngel can you make a screenshot?
22:47 w_laenger https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/3192173/179​6870/c089e882-6a91-11e3-873d-f6457a690be1.png
22:47 w_laenger https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/3192173/179​6872/c676b176-6a91-11e3-8ad1-c5d01d347d9e.png
22:47 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: i know
22:47 w_laenger the first one is without bumpmapping
22:48 w_laenger or the second one
22:48 w_laenger I think the second one
22:49 w_laenger or not
22:49 w_laenger I guess bumpmapping is enabled on the second picture
22:49 Mossmanikin_ matters not, there's no difference but daytime
22:50 w_laenger I enabled bumpmapping, shaders and parallax occlusion
22:50 w_laenger and anisotropic filtering
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22:52 sfan5 hi everyone
22:52 MinetestBot sfan5: <nore> I found another way to take HD screenshots with Minetest without having to use a modified version... using xrandr
22:52 sfan5 WTF glibc
22:53 sfan5 !tell nore nice..
22:53 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when nore is around
22:53 sfan5 my hunger games server is down since 9 o'clock today because the glibc devs thought it would be good to halt the process when a memory corruption is detected instead of restarting it
22:54 Mossmanikin_ Gotta go, bye, later
22:55 w_laenger bye
22:55 MinetestBot w_laenger: <w_laenger> hi
22:56 RealBadAngel w_laenger, please do try placing bricks block and walkin around it
22:57 RealBadAngel see if the bricks are changing depending on the point of view
22:57 w_laenger ok
22:57 MinetestBot w_laenger: <w_laenger> nothing
22:57 w_laenger oo
22:58 w_laenger it seem to work but walking around doesn't work
22:58 w_laenger s*
22:59 RealBadAngel bricks shall follow your line of sight
22:59 w_laenger https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/3192173/179​6892/87900a14-6a93-11e3-9da8-5a3c3c1c6109.png
22:59 w_laenger https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/3192173/179​6893/8d120c76-6a93-11e3-9a83-400988994c4a.png
23:00 w_laenger they don't follow it
23:00 RealBadAngel btw, you should enable at least bilinear filtering
23:00 RealBadAngel and they do
23:01 RealBadAngel i can see from screenshots
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23:01 RealBadAngel move slowly cursor from left to right or up/down
23:01 john_minetest Hello everychristmasunicorn
23:01 RealBadAngel and notice edges of the bricks
23:02 RealBadAngel propably you could find the effect more visible on ores
23:02 RealBadAngel try mese ore or iron for example
23:03 w_laenger it does only work if I look into z direction
23:03 RealBadAngel thats odd
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23:04 RealBadAngel what build are you using?
23:04 john_minetest Bumpmapping is medium visible on heavenTP ores but not really "Big".
23:04 john_minetest They should be at least 2x higher
23:05 RealBadAngel i like the bumps to be soft
23:05 w_laenger 0.4.8-dev
23:05 RealBadAngel adding some shadows and give a slight feel of something being not so flat
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23:07 RealBadAngel john_minetest, Haven or HavenNG?
23:07 RealBadAngel Haven is discontinued
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23:09 RealBadAngel w_laenger, so please do send me details on your system
23:09 w_laenger ok
23:09 sfan5 w_laenger: could you please stop with this shit?
23:09 RealBadAngel i need to know what os/drivers/GPU details you have
23:10 w_laenger sorry
23:10 w_laenger I was testing minetest bot
23:11 w_laenger 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)
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23:11 MinetestBot w_laenger: Can I test you now?
23:11 w_laenger yes
23:11 RealBadAngel that may be the reason, i was developin it on ati
23:12 RealBadAngel lately i found out thats a big difference and some code can work only on one of them
23:12 MinetestBot w_laenger: what's 12351 * 2135 - 132123?
23:12 john_minetest RealBadAngel: HavenNG
23:12 w_laenger http://www.nvidia.de/page/fx_5200.html
23:13 w_laenger MinetestBot: 26237262
23:13 MinetestBot w_laenger: Are you lagging or just slow?
23:13 john_minetest Not sure if trolling
23:13 w_laenger I'm lagging
23:13 john_minetest or just minetest bot
23:14 RealBadAngel w_laenger, its rather old GPU, what is your usual frame rate on it?
23:14 w_laenger 40
23:15 RealBadAngel without shaders? or with?
23:15 w_laenger without
23:15 w_laenger and in a small tunnel
23:15 RealBadAngel its AGP one, so i guess that your box is old one too
23:16 w_laenger yes
23:16 RealBadAngel i had 2 boards with AGP slots and trashed them lately because they were unusable anymore ;)
23:17 w_laenger I get 25 FPS in the desert with view range 35 and no shaders
23:17 RealBadAngel but seriously, i will try to find the reason why the shaders are behaving differently on nvidia boards
23:17 RealBadAngel i guess i will have to buy an nvidia gpu for that
23:18 w_laenger OpenGL 2.1.2, GLSL version: 1.2
23:18 RealBadAngel shaders are limited to use 1.2 version
23:18 w_laenger I don't think the new version of mesa supports a graphics card like mine
23:19 RealBadAngel theyre not using anything above 1.2
23:19 w_laenger you need at least opengl 1.4 to use a system where you can install minetest
23:20 w_laenger the new version of minetest
23:20 RealBadAngel i mean GLSL
23:20 w_laenger ok
23:20 RealBadAngel minetest shaders require GLSL 1.2
23:21 RealBadAngel and are limited to that version
23:21 w_laenger but I think bumpmapping needs a new version of opengl, too
23:24 RealBadAngel if shaders do compile for you they should work
23:25 RealBadAngel only thing is that same code can work differently on nvidia and ati
23:25 RealBadAngel which is odd but true
23:26 w_laenger I have a problem with nodeboxes, too
23:28 iqualfragile wtF? pulseaudio seems to be a *bit* buggy
23:28 w_laenger https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/3192173/179​6937/8bf29ac8-6a97-11e3-9e24-5e34fc5919c7.png
23:28 w_laenger have you installed jack?
23:28 iqualfragile when another player wants to play stuff the stuff i allready play gets 20% louder
23:29 w_laenger sounds in minetest?
23:29 john_minetest alsa is best. and that oss thingie
23:29 iqualfragile youtube video in the background gets louder when i start minetest
23:29 PilzAdam PA is best
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23:30 w_laenger MT is better
23:31 MinetestBot GIT: RealBadAngel commited to minetest/minetest: Fix wrong names for parallax settings in config example. a58b47d0f6 2013-12-21T15:30:17-08:00 http://git.io/xpr47A
23:31 john_minetest pulseaudio has high latency.
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23:32 john_minetest Alsa is builtin since it is the linux sound architecture built into the kernel. Fast and nice.
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23:33 w_laenger http://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/JACK_Audio_Connection_Kit
23:34 w_laenger read this
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23:34 PilzAdam w_laenger, no
23:34 harrison joined #minetest
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23:34 w_laenger PilzAdam, why not?
23:35 PilzAdam I dont want you
23:35 PilzAdam s/you/to
23:35 w_laenger PilzAdam, ok, what about this? http://de.wikipedia.org/wik​i/JACK_Audio_Connection_Kit
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23:36 PilzAdam that one neither
23:37 w_laenger !b64d SSByZWFkIGl0LCB0b28u
23:37 MinetestBot I read it, too.
23:38 w_laenger !b64d L21l
23:38 MinetestBot /me
23:38 w_laenger interesting... for me
23:40 w_laenger http://www.google.com/recaptcha/api/audio.mp3?c​=03AHJ_Vutw1VZpl7xxHk-r7S_YVItL73EsaoBHYMvP63rD​2vzSsQxVPpSQEnmSW1_Eajy_zJ1i3hygFkhnPuJzhhWpSnM​5XSRNJ2KNNa0xtDoqdqLSB57oPiSorDfIpzLd6nV6NMd5Kp​aBdIRdR3sDyE_O_RcKKvllUfAdbpmyNxVSTzunN_CtzU0
23:41 PilzAdam google link -> nope.avi
23:41 w_laenger sorry, bit.ly/19jEqP2
23:41 PilzAdam link shortener -> nope.avi
23:41 w_laenger http://bit.ly/19jEqP2 *
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23:42 w_laenger why do you need avi?
23:42 w_laenger just listen and use your   imagination
23:42 w_laenger for the visible stuff
23:43 john_minetest ogg/theora and mkv are MUCH better
23:43 PilzAdam http://youtu.be/oHg5SJYRHA0
23:43 john_minetest Especially mkv
23:44 w_laenger ogg: bit.ly/J5QNlD
23:44 w_laenger http://bit.ly/J5QNlD
23:44 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZZfl4hVCXA
23:45 w_laenger mkv: http://bit.ly/1cm35mq
23:45 john_minetest http://www.theora.org/
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23:46 w_laenger it: http://bit.ly/1l4YkwL
23:46 iqualfragile could it be that the android version of minetest does not support loading from http server?
23:46 w_laenger midi: http://bit.ly/195FYJZ
23:47 w_laenger png: http://bit.ly/1juxkeD
23:48 PilzAdam w_laenger, stop spamming
23:48 w_laenger !sorry
23:48 iqualfragile !stfu
23:48 MinetestBot someone thinks you need to shut the fuck up before you get muted.
23:48 john_minetest !title
23:48 MinetestBot john_minetest: Document isn't HTML
23:48 harrison it is not spam
23:48 john_minetest it is dumb stuff
23:48 harrison have you never listened to a john cage composition?
23:49 john_minetest Is that the guy with "In C"?
23:49 harrison w_laenger is doing cage like art using irc and repetition
23:49 harrison dk
23:49 harrison art is not spam
23:50 john_minetest harrison: Oh, no, that was Terry Riley
23:50 w_laenger ̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣
23:50 w_laenger so I can continue?
23:50 john_minetest A real artist using repetition and evolution is phillip glass
23:50 w_laenger x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
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23:51 w_laenger x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
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23:51 iqualfragile !kick w_laenger
23:51 john_minetest * philip glass
23:51 w_laenger !kick me
23:51 PilzAdam !kick w_laenger
23:51 w_laenger was kicked by MinetestBot: w_laenger
23:51 harrison ,03memehopper
23:51 john_minetest Finally
23:51 harrison i liked him
23:51 john_minetest harrison: Do you know Philip glass?
23:52 harrison he was a noble true artist
23:52 harrison yes john_minetest
23:52 harrison i was listening to glass before you were born, i think
23:52 harrison songs from liquid days
23:52 john_minetest He is a genious. His music is the best minimal music I have ever heard.
23:53 john_minetest The other things in minimal music are not that aesthetic.
23:57 john_minetest Cage isn't really my favourite. I like music with rythm and melody more.

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