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00:00 Peacock well i'd offer him a muslim bale, but they can't stop fighting eachother long enough to grow a crop XD
00:00 VanessaE lol
00:00 Mossmanikin Yeah, religion is fun
00:00 Peacock religion is like sex, it should be practised in private :P
00:01 Peacock or in swinger's clubs/churches
00:01 Mossmanikin Don't have anithing against sex on the streets
00:02 Peacock though when you consider how many catholic priests go for the little choir boys, the line between swinger's club and church tends to blur :P
00:02 VanessaE Mossmanikin: so THAT's why you keep walking in with the spray cans and stencils?
00:03 Mossmanikin VanessaE: who knows?
00:04 VanessaE of course if Tesla motors has their way, the strees WILL be sexy anyway (take note of their four models of electric cars...)
00:04 VanessaE streets*
00:04 Peacock the ones that catch fire?
00:04 VanessaE Peacock: um.  don't.
00:04 VanessaE just, don't.
00:05 VanessaE the ones that catch fire IF YOU PIERCE THEM WITH A BALLISTIC PROJECTILE sure. :)
00:05 Mossmanikin I try to avoid commercials, don't watch tv
00:06 Peacock http://beta.slashdot.org/story/195819
00:06 VanessaE Mossmanikin: the joke was that, for reasons only those guys know, their cars are models S, X, E, and Y is already registered.  rearrange as appropriate :)
00:06 Peacock slashdot seems to excuse alot of tesla fires, but i've read about 3-4 seperate incidents over the last months :P
00:08 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1066 wat?
00:08 VanessaE there were 3.  one guy hit a trailer hitch (the whole hitch, not just the ball)
00:08 Mossmanikin VanessaE: ah thanx, well joke ain't funny when explained :(
00:08 VanessaE one guy wrapped his around a tree
00:08 VanessaE the other, I don't remember
00:08 VanessaE oh, a concrete wall, wasn't it?
00:09 Peacock im talking about standalone fires, not shit that happens after a crash :P any car will catch fire after a crash, thats not news :P
00:10 Mossmanikin Think about all the nodes the entity hits...
00:10 VanessaE Peacock: there were none on record.
00:10 VanessaE all of the fires in question are the result of an accident.
00:11 VanessaE that's what the media seems to be leaving out
00:11 Peacock the article i posted was about a garage fire, unless they *crashed* into their garage, your argument is invalid :P
00:11 VanessaE meanwhile there were recalls of G*d knows how many erm..ford trucks was it?  spontaneous fires while parked.
00:12 VanessaE *reads*
00:12 Mossmanikin Love how you censor God :D
00:12 VanessaE " Tesla says the fire was not caused by any part of the car nor its charging system, reports Reuters"
00:12 VanessaE your argument is invalid.
00:12 Peacock of course the manufacturer will deny problems with their car, the same way google and MS deny cooperating with the NSA, but you don't believe that either
00:12 VanessaE Mossmanikin: I'll explain that some other time.
00:13 VanessaE Peacock: so...got any evidence that it was the car or its charger?
00:13 Peacock i dont think i'll ever understand geeks :P they'll defend a company that produces shitty yet futuristic cars, but if an IT company produces shitty software, then it's the evils of proprietary :P
00:13 Mossmanikin VanessaE: no need to explain, but still interested
00:15 VanessaE Peacock: "shitty"...  ever driven one?  neither have I.  but at least I give them a chance to do something good.
00:15 VanessaE hate on Elon Musk all you want for Paypal.  Everyone does.
00:15 VanessaE but don't hate on him for Tesla.
00:15 Peacock i kinda view Tesla as the R&D aspect of electric cars, other companies (likely in other countries) will be the ones to reap the benefit
00:16 VanessaE an all-electric that can go 250 miles in a charge, can charge in 45 mins from a supercharger station, can have its battery swapped out in like, what was it, 5 mins?  yes it all costs a fuckload of money, but the point is it exists NOW.
00:17 VanessaE cost aside, what's not to like?
00:17 Peacock depends how you produce your electricity, in Quebec we're mostly hydro dams, but in alot of places, it's coal
00:17 VanessaE yrep
00:17 VanessaE but even coal is cleaner than gasoline
00:18 VanessaE better to hgave one coal-fired plant powering a thousand electrics than a thousand gasoline-powered cars running around
00:18 Peacock but then shifting the blame from your personal oil consumption to the power plant's coal consumption doesn't really make much of a difference to the environment
00:18 VanessaE -g
00:18 VanessaE look
00:18 VanessaE electricity is fungible.
00:18 Mossmanikin Finally a reason to mine more coal
00:18 VanessaE coal now if we have to use it
00:18 VanessaE nuclear when we can get rid of the NIMBYs
00:18 VanessaE fusion if that ever becomes viable
00:18 VanessaE wind/solar in the meanwhile wherever it makes sense
00:18 Peacock seriously, electric cars would make sense to me if we went mostly nuclear power
00:19 VanessaE electric cars don't give two shits where the power comes from - generate it any way you can.  coal, nuke, solar, wind, tidal, I don't give a shit what but get the fuck off of using oil!
00:19 Peacock thats the thing, they're not more environmental if the local power plant uses the same old methods as your old car
00:20 VanessaE but they don't.
00:20 VanessaE the EPA sees to that rather strictly.
00:20 kaeza 175383256 AAA batteries
00:20 VanessaE even the dirtiest coal plant is cleaner than the cleanest petrol engines.
00:20 VanessaE kaeza: eh?
00:21 Peacock i dont think all the pollution in China is the result of cars lol
00:21 kaeza :|
00:21 kaeza nothing
00:21 VanessaE Peacock: actually a large percentage of it is, but China doesn't have the EPA there to stop them from polluting.
00:21 Peacock cars were much less fuel efficient in the 70's and we didn't have the smog china has today
00:21 VanessaE we can only clean our back yard and yell at the neighbors for theirs
00:23 VanessaE it's either we just yell at china for trashing the neighborhood whilst we keep our side of the fence clean, or we jump the fence, start cleaning up their yard, and send them the bill (with police to back up our claim - i.e. armed soldiers )
00:23 VanessaE seeing as how we are already spread thin enough as it is, I don't see the latter happening.
00:23 VanessaE someone else is gonna have to take China to task over their pollutiobn
00:23 VanessaE pollution*
00:23 VanessaE we just do not have the resources :-/
00:25 Jordach the nukes, the nukes
00:25 Jordach russians would gladly nuke em for us
00:26 Peacock well a one child policy for the entire world wouldn't hurt either :P
00:27 Peacock bring the pop. down to half a billion
00:27 Peacock god knows whoever's left will want a new ipad every year
00:27 VanessaE we don't need population control.
00:27 VanessaE we need CORRUPTION control.
00:27 Peacock lol yeah we do, we already consume way too much
00:27 VanessaE no
00:28 VanessaE we have 100 times the land area as people to fill it
00:28 VanessaE we have too much corruption in governments all over the world to efficiently USE it
00:28 VanessaE (for people, agriculture, power generation, etc)
00:28 Peacock you only use land? remind me again who has the best computer specs here? you think computer tech doesn't need precious minerals?
00:29 VanessaE and which country holds a monopoly on rare earths needed for that?
00:29 VanessaE China.
00:29 VanessaE and why?
00:29 VanessaE corruption and greed.
00:29 VanessaE come on man
00:29 VanessaE it's way simpler than you're letting yourself believe.
00:29 Peacock lol so you think your country would manage those resources better?
00:29 VanessaE those two words explain 90% of the problems this world faces today.
00:29 VanessaE no, quite the opposite
00:29 Peacock if the US had control of those resources and could sell even more tech, they would
00:30 VanessaE my country would manage them right into the ground, so to speak.
00:30 Peacock so why blame China when they're doing a better job of it?
00:30 VanessaE because they're doing just as bad a job as any other country
00:31 Peacock so you're solution would be what? more regulations that enrich the regulators as opposed to tech CEO's, how does that change anything?
00:31 VanessaE besides,
00:31 Peacock *your
00:31 VanessaE you forget yourself:
00:31 VanessaE China controls those redources
00:31 VanessaE DAMN IT
00:31 VanessaE CAN'T TYP
00:31 VanessaE china controls those resources because they are in chinese territory
00:32 Peacock Africa?
00:32 VanessaE you can't exactly just pick up that slice of earth and move it to US or European territory
00:33 VanessaE how would I know what needs done to fix the problem?  I only know a problem exists, I don't have enough details of the problem to propose a solution.
00:33 VanessaE clearly, you don't either if you want to bring out the boogeyman of regulation
00:33 Peacock yeah, but you still consumer more computer products than most of us here, though you have no problem assigning blame elsewhere :P
00:34 Peacock *consume
00:34 VanessaE regulation is there to stop corporations from doing shit to harm people that they will definitely do if not told otherwise.
00:34 VanessaE you "consume" just as much as I do.
00:34 Peacock i wish i had your specs lol
00:34 VanessaE how many computers have you bought in your life?
00:34 Peacock but even working i can't find the budget for it
00:35 Peacock all the computers i have now doesn't compare to the rig you run your servers on lol
00:35 VanessaE rig?
00:35 VanessaE I run my servers on a VPS somewhere in Atlanta, GA.
00:36 Peacock you paid real money to run a minetest server? no wonder banks won't lend to you :P
00:36 VanessaE it has 1GB of RAM available to it, 8 2.6 GHz cores (that together, perform more like 2)
00:37 VanessaE I pay real money to run a website that also makes me a little money on the side.  The minetest servers go along for the ride.
00:37 Peacock well with the specs you mention i'd expect a full shop and cart
00:37 Peacock many clients of mine have smaller specs and better sales
00:38 VanessaE the electronics stuff in my "Project" page makes actual, real cash money (not bitcoin or some other bullshit) and most months I turn a small profit.  not much, but enough to cover the website expense.  I moved to a VPS so I could take the servers off of my home PC and put them on the cloud where they belong.
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00:38 VanessaE doesn't matter
00:39 VanessaE this is all bullshit anywatys
00:39 Peacock well if it makes enough to cover hosting, then it's a self-sufficient project but hardly worth the trouble if it doesn't bring real income
00:39 VanessaE what's all this got to do with pollution in china that's a direct result of lack of pollution regulations?
00:40 Peacock well the point was you consume the same as any other american, and yet complain about standards in china, which is a direct result of western consumption, seems a tad hypocritical to me
00:40 VanessaE if if costs less for joe to dump his cow shit in the river than it does to truck it to the waste treatment plant, and there's no law that syas he can't, you damn well better assume he'll dump it in the river.
00:40 VanessaE THAT is what regulations are fort.
00:40 VanessaE for*
00:41 Peacock well isn't that the point? it's cheaper to get shit in China so what does it matter what they're environmental standards are? if you really care you'll insist on buying shit made a country with real environmental standards
00:42 Peacock *their
00:42 VanessaE do I have a choice?
00:42 VanessaE is there ANYTHING made in America (or outside of china for that matter) anymore?
00:42 Mossmanikin religion/politics...
00:42 Peacock Mossmanikin economics :P
00:42 VanessaE you honestly think I can buy a PC, even a low end one at ridiculous prices, without a single component made in china?
00:43 Mossmanikin Peacock: don't see a contradiction :D
00:43 Peacock well when i see environmental types bitch about consumerism yet own new cars and new iphones, i tend to peg them for hypocrites. you can either be a consumer, or an environmentalist, you can't be both
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00:44 VanessaE well?
00:44 Mossmanikin It's not black or white
00:44 VanessaE I'm waiting for an answer
00:45 Peacock i think americans have more consumer choices than we do in Canada, owing to the size of the market
00:45 Peacock and even then, i consume less than you
00:45 Peacock and i don't bitch about environmental standards lol
00:45 VanessaE I'm STILL waiting for an answer.
00:45 Peacock i think the more people feel guilty about something, the more they have to talk about saving that something
00:46 Peacock i already told you, you have more choices about where to buy your hardware than i do
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00:46 Peacock now if you insist on low prices, obviously you're going to end up with chinese crap
00:46 VanessaE you honestly think I can buy a PC, even a low end one at ridiculous prices, (extra emphasis now) WITHOUT A SINGLE CHINESE-MADE COMPONENT?
00:47 VanessaE the answer is a solid, resounding, "no fucking way."
00:47 VanessaE no one makes such a thing.
00:47 VanessaE except china.
00:47 Peacock well you know that's fine, but don't pretend you care about the environment when you know damn well where your stuff comes from
00:47 PilzAdam bye
00:48 VanessaE ok so because I have no choice of where my shit comes from, automatically I don't care about the environment?
00:48 VanessaE nice non-sequitur there.
00:48 VanessaE you don't live here
00:48 Peacock with the internet you can buy shit from europe and have it shipped, and god knows they have higher standards about almost everything
00:48 VanessaE and where do you think those things are made?
00:48 VanessaE they're made in china
00:49 VanessaE made in Europe---from chinese parts.
00:49 VanessaE oh wait!  Made in Europe -- from Italian boards -- ....populated with chinese chips.
00:50 VanessaE china is as ingrained into the world economy now as Japan was in the 80's
00:50 Peacock well maybe the problem is too many people thought like you, that all parts everywhere would come from the chepeast place on the earth, with the lowest standards, and from then on every other competitor died
00:51 VanessaE the Philippines, Mexico, etc were in other periods.
00:51 VanessaE it's just that it's China now.
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00:51 VanessaE too many people WITH BILLIONS IN PURCHASING POWER thought "hey, let's go where it's cheap and they don't give two shits about the environment"
00:51 VanessaE as if I have any control over that!
00:52 VanessaE come on man
00:52 VanessaE use a bit of logic!
00:52 Enke What's going on?
00:52 VanessaE Enke: peacock is on another anti-american rant.
00:52 Peacock yeah well what happens when everyone goes where it's cheap, and no one thinks it's their personal responsibility to change those habits?
00:52 Enke anti-american rant about what?
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00:53 VanessaE Peacock: people have a personal responsibility first to their own wallets and where that affects their families and their futures.  if you lived here, you'd realize that too.
00:53 VanessaE so shut up.
00:53 Enke I am so lost...
00:53 Peacock so wallets 1st, environment 2nd, glad we cleared that up :-) it's as i thought
00:53 VanessaE enke: how supposedly it's all america's fault that china is this huge world polluter because of how much we buy from them while supposedly encouraging environmentally-unfriendly behavior.
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00:54 VanessaE Peacock: empty wallet = death.  clear enough?
00:54 Peacock thought the anti-american thing is invalid, i dislike the chinese more than i dislike americans, hell i even like americans more than europeans :P
00:54 Enke Hm. Seems like the logical idea would be that China is the reason that China is a world polluter.
00:54 VanessaE it is THAT fucked up in america now.
00:55 Enke Heck, outsourcing has probably helped America.
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00:55 VanessaE enke: THANK YOU!
00:55 VanessaE finally someone who understand
00:55 VanessaE +s
00:55 Peacock if by anti-american you mean it's not america's fault that china is a world power now, then yeah i guess you could call it that way :P
00:55 VanessaE China is entirely at fault for their own pollution habits, and NO ONE ELSE>
00:56 VanessaE Peacock: how many people does America have?
00:56 VanessaE how many?
00:56 Peacock so if production had stayed in america, it would be america's fault instead?
00:56 VanessaE 2 billion?  4?  5?
00:56 VanessaE nbo.
00:56 VanessaE no.
00:56 Enke We get things for cheaper prices, while at the same time, we give other people in China jobs, and Americans who lost their jobs to outsourcing can find a new job where thy can probably do better anyways
00:56 VanessaE 350 million or so.
00:56 VanessaE how many people does china have?
00:56 VanessaE some 1.5B.
00:56 VanessaE do the math.
00:57 Enke Many people in business know that a good strategy to give people new jobs is to lay off some workers.
00:57 Peacock im at a loss to see the difference, china sells cheap crap to everyone, if production had stayed in america, fewer people could buy those same products, by your logic the environment would be better off, either way, the west consumes
00:58 VanessaE China's economy is almost entirely driven by China's OWN POPULATION.  If america went into the shitheap tomorrow, china wouldn't feel it,
00:58 VanessaE there are another 5 billion people in the world china can and will sell to.
00:58 Enke Well, whether we like it or not, we are all consumers of air
00:58 Peacock China is hugely dependent on the US, probably the only reason there hasn't been a war between both countries
00:58 VanessaE China have to clean up their act.  And only they can do that.
00:59 VanessaE they are 100% responsible for their pollution, and no one else.
00:59 Peacock and once China cleans up their act western companies will settle in other countries (like India among others)
00:59 Enke I think that China's economy would be damaged if America went down, but It probably wouldn't devestate them.
00:59 Mossmanikin Like that one about air
00:59 VanessaE no matter who funds their economy, it is ENTIRELY on their shoulders what they DO with those funds.
00:59 Peacock see vanessae's mentality is the western mentality: shift the blame for pollution onto the 3rd world, even though we consume the same things
01:00 VanessaE I will NOT be held responsible if I give Joe five bucks and he uses that to buy a gallon of gas to go torch some building.
01:00 Enke In the end, the fault of air pollution in China rests on the shoulders of China's population/government.
01:00 VanessaE NO!
01:00 VanessaE I DID NOT HOLD A GUN TO ANYONE'S HEAD!
01:00 VanessaE THEY CAN FIX THEIR OWN G*DDAMN PROBLEMS!
01:00 Peacock but you buy the same shit no matter where it's made
01:00 Enke Because it is beneficial to both of us
01:01 VanessaE Peacock: So do you.
01:01 VanessaE and you will continue to do so for the rest of your life.
01:01 Peacock i have a flat, not a house, i walk instead of drive, i have a 7yr old, and 1 yr old tower (cpu)
01:01 VanessaE so?
01:01 Enke If i buy a good made in china, I get the good I need at a lower price, and they get my money to continue to manufacture goods.
01:02 Peacock but you're supporting a country who by your own admission has bad standards
01:02 VanessaE a 1 year old PC?  ONE year old?  and this you consider to be old?
01:02 VanessaE and so are you.
01:02 Enke Peacock: Why do you walk?
01:02 Peacock the only difference is, i'm not full of shit about the environment
01:02 VanessaE I buy new PCs about every three years or so or when something breaks.
01:03 Enke In my family, we usually get a PC every 6-8 years. Difference is, we get the top end PC so they last longer.
01:03 VanessaE the basis of my current PC, after much parts swapping, is still about three years old.
01:03 Peacock i have a smaller impact on the environment, but i dont act like it's a big thing, whereas people with a bigger impact on the environment, are constantly telling me to consume less
01:03 Enke Honestly, most of the environmental stuff is BS.
01:04 VanessaE Peacock: I drive an old beat-up, leaky gas-guzzing 1992 cadillac deville.  you know why?  because I can't afford anything NEWER and BETTER.
01:04 VanessaE meanwhile, I cut my electricity usage in my house to the barebones.
01:04 Peacock but you have a house, and a car
01:05 VanessaE a house, that I RENT.
01:05 Peacock i have a flat, in my own two legs :P
01:05 Peacock whether you rent or buy, the house still needs as many resources to stay warm and lit
01:05 VanessaE (and I have a house because I got tired of noisy neighbors)
01:05 Enke Well goody goody gumdrops for you, Peacock.
01:05 Peacock so unless you have a full family, it's not very environmental
01:05 VanessaE two person family, plus two cats.
01:05 VanessaE and PRIVACY.
01:06 Peacock well i live in a block with 20~ flats, and i get enough privacy
01:06 Peacock bottom line, seems i more environmental than you are, even though you talk about it more :P
01:06 Peacock *i'm
01:06 VanessaE that's the difference between your area and mine.
01:07 VanessaE in america, flats are not very private.
01:07 VanessaE privacy is a joke here.
01:07 VanessaE so we have to make do.
01:07 Peacock dont they have walls in between units?
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01:07 VanessaE of course they do.
01:07 VanessaE and about the PC, you said I buy more hardware than you....why is your PC newer than mine then?
01:07 VanessaE stop dodging my G*dddamn questions
01:07 Peacock the most annoying thing i have to put with is the downstairs bar with music on the weekends, but thats no different than some douche in the burbs throwing a party on the weekend
01:08 Peacock PCs?
01:08 Peacock my second to last tower was a P4
01:08 Peacock the newest one (bought a year ago) was to replace it
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01:08 Peacock because, let's face it, the p4 can't run minetest efficiently
01:09 Peacock (despite claims of running on old hardware)
01:09 VanessaE mine's 2 or 3 years old, bought to replace one that, prior, was perfectly fine save for its slots being obsolete enough that I couldn't update the video card without a full upgrade.
01:09 VanessaE (in other words, I'd have kept the old machine if AGP hadn't gone obsolete)
01:09 Enke That makes sense.
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01:10 VanessaE my current machine will keep running until it fails.  only then will I replace it.
01:10 Peacock well most towers have either PCI + AGP or PCI-E slots
01:11 VanessaE it was PCI+AGP.  now PCI+PCIe
01:11 Peacock though in my two years here, i never once got the impression that your server specs were VPS specs and not your personal specs :P
01:11 Peacock now that i know, i kinda wonder why you didn't save that cash to buy a more powerful tower to host your server at home (easier all around)
01:11 VanessaE I moved my minetest servers to a VPS a month and a half ago.  The website moved with them, but has been in existence for ...years
01:12 VanessaE Peacock:  five words:  violation of terms of service.
01:12 Peacock i might be wrong, but you've been bragging about specs longer than a month 1/2
01:13 Peacock every time peopel compare specs, they mention you as being #1
01:13 VanessaE yeah, specs of my gaming machine, and I don't brag.  those are for benchmark purposes.  if I was gonna brag, I would have bought a much more powerful machine to brag about first.
01:13 Peacock *people
01:13 Peacock well if you're going to compare all my rigs (with the 1 new and 2 old) you might wanna include your gaming rig :P
01:14 Enke VanessaE: did you see thexyz's topic about super fast servers?
01:15 VanessaE I did not see it.
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01:16 Peacock either way, im not saying having decent specs is bad, or that consumption is necessarily bad, but if people are going to insist on paying the lowest price possible, you shouldn't complain about the envrionmental standards of the place it comes from, it's disingenuous
01:16 Enke lemme dig up the link
01:16 VanessaE Peacock: at any rate, I don't buy hardware nearly as often as you think I do, nor nearly in as large a quantities either.  and I absolutely do not support China's environmental policies, regardless of my purchasing decisions - I just know that no matter from whom I buy my components, *something* is gonna end up being made there.  get your facts straight.
01:17 katyusha People are talking about politics?  Without me here?!
01:17 katyusha Blasphemy
01:17 katyusha :p
01:17 Peacock well i do happen to know a few hardcore environmentalists, like i know vegans and free software advocates, and each of them know how to look up where their shit comes from and make decisions based on that
01:18 Enke https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8074
01:18 katyusha You can add another free software advocate to your list Peacock :-)
01:19 Enke Well where does their info come from?
01:19 Peacock i wouldn't know, i'm hardly political, im just a history and C&E buff
01:19 katyusha ixquick, duckduckgo, fsf, stallman can be a good reference too
01:20 katyusha it just takes some digging around
01:20 Peacock seeing people getting a hardon for one cause or another is enough to make me think i shouldn't get too invested in anything
01:20 Peacock hardons for causes lead to cognitive dissonance, cognitive dissonance leads to the dark side
01:21 Mossmanikin Welcome to the dark side
01:22 Peacock open source may be one such dark side :P but there are many positions in between that make more sense :P
01:23 Enke Well, everything in moderation.
01:23 Peacock exactly
01:24 Peacock i may care about the environment, but i won't pretend to care more than my actions show, that would be dishonest
01:24 Mossmanikin Yeah, but wouldn't want to miss some extremes here and there
01:24 Peacock well if you like extremism join the FSF :P
01:25 Mossmanikin :D
01:25 katyusha Hmm, I wonder if it's possible to run minetest on the Lemote
01:25 katyusha lol
01:25 Enke Yeah, that's a good way to do it.
01:25 Peacock Lemote?
01:25 Peacock !g lemote
01:25 MinetestBot Peacock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemote
01:25 katyusha Stallman's laptop
01:26 Peacock stallman, does he load websites in puretext?
01:26 Peacock *doesn't
01:26 katyusha He uses an emailer program similar to wget
01:26 katyusha it requests a website then emails it back to him
01:26 katyusha so in a way yes
01:26 Peacock you might not want to follow RMS's lead :P he believes in not bathing, paedophilia and necrophilia after all :P
01:26 katyusha like it would take the webpage and send it to him
01:27 katyusha He's a good inspiration, but there are some rough edges
01:27 katyusha I personally don't think he should get the amount of disrespect he gets.
01:27 Peacock rough edges? when ones of his emacs devs had a child, he said:
01:28 Peacock "It doesn't take special talents to reproduce--even plants can do it.
01:28 Peacock On the other hand, contributing to a program like Emacs takes real skill. That is really something to be proud of.
01:28 Peacock It helps more people, too. "
01:28 Peacock thats the definition of autistic (or lack of empathy)
01:29 katyusha I'm sure he said that, but honestly it's not like other software developers are very nice about things either
01:29 katyusha Take a look at Theo and Linus's quotes
01:29 Mossmanikin Somehow like it... :D
01:29 Enke Well, for every well-intentioned group, like open-source, there are extremists who beleive that everything should be open-source and all people who try to make a profit off of software should be dead, like RMS.
01:30 Peacock well even linus has milder views than RMS
01:30 Peacock theo i dont know so well
01:30 Peacock i know Hans Reiser (ReseirFS) killed his wife and is currently serving time
01:31 Enke The only way that having all computer software be free would be if anybody who was breathing could make software. However they cannot.
01:32 Peacock free software will never rule the world :P but that doesn't mean free software is bad, we just need to be realistic :-)
01:32 katyusha I would disagree.  You can make money by having somebody pay you for making the software rather than selling it.
01:32 Peacock *it just means we
01:32 Enke Some people state that being charged for software is a rip-off, but when they charge you money, they may be charging you because of time, or they have to pay salary to workers, etc. etc.
01:33 katyusha Back in the 70's and 80's that's how it worked.  The module could still work fine.
01:33 katyusha *model
01:33 Mossmanikin Freedom and ruling is a contradiction
01:33 Peacock <katyusha> yeah companies can pay you to write free software, but to the dev, how's that different from being paid to write prop. software?
01:33 Peacock in a purely free software world, companies would have nothing to do with software dev
01:33 katyusha It's better ethically.  If you can still get paid for writing free software over proprietary software you should go for the FOSS job.
01:34 Peacock because they couldn't profit from selling licenses
01:34 Peacock well you know what else is better ethically? paying less rent and less for food, but freetards never argue those points, otherwise i might agree with them more :P
01:35 Enke Well, if anybody could program, then it would make sense for them to be free. If someone walks 10 feet outside, and picks up a small rock and charges me $10, I'm being ripped off. Because they are charging me money for something that everyone can do.
01:35 Peacock people can live without software, they can't live without a roof over their heads or food in their bellies :P
01:35 katyusha Most of them specialise in software.  We all have niche ideas that can create a better society if we work with each other.
01:35 katyusha Also I ask you not to use the term "freetard".  It gets thrown around too much.
01:35 katyusha Though I can understand your point.
01:36 Enke Well, why should I do something for everyone that takes up a huge portion of my life and not get any compensation?
01:36 Peacock the problem with free software as an extremist mentality is that it leads to pure communism (if you apply the notion to all fields of economics) which has already been shown to be a failure
01:36 Enke That's part of the reason for proprietary software.
01:36 * Enke agrees with Peacock
01:36 VanessaE Peacock: seems to work okay in israel's kibbutzim.
01:37 katyusha Socialism doesn't necessarily have to be authortarian Stalinism or even Marxist/Leninism.
01:37 Peacock Israel ditched left/communist ideals in the 70s
01:37 katyusha Socialism doesn't work because we don't want it to work.  People aren't willing to work collectively and thus we would have to use an authortarian government
01:37 Peacock http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10​001424053111904716604576548703926339210
01:37 Enke Well, America's got quite a bit of socialism going on, so to get an idea of how well it works, just look at our debt.
01:38 katyusha It would be fine if we were willing to drop what we were doing and switch over our economic system
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01:38 katyusha I wouldn't say it's socialism with all the corporate control
01:38 Enke That's what russia did. Tell me how well it worked out for them.
01:38 Peacock the debt is a result of state capitalism, which is just as bad as communism :P
01:38 katyusha ^ that
01:39 katyusha besides the communism part
01:39 Peacock supporting specific industries vs supporting the entire economy amounts to the same, we the people pay for it in the end
01:40 Mossmanikin There's a lot of different types of communism, from anarchism to stalinism...
01:40 Peacock anarchy isn't communism, its local government
01:40 Enke But they all amount to the same ideal.
01:40 Enke anarchy is no government.
01:40 Mossmanikin It's not a contradictiction
01:41 Peacock anarchy is local government (think Free Cities of the Holy Roman Empire)
01:41 katyusha technically communism is anarchy (in the marxist sense)
01:41 Peacock well we've never had real communism on this Earth
01:41 Mossmanikin in theory, maybe
01:42 Mossmanikin right
01:42 Peacock communism as defined is the end goal of a political and economical transformation, everything in history was an in-between
01:42 Enke Well, according to Wikipedia and the dictionary, there are many schools of anarchist thought, so this argument over anarchy is pointless.
01:42 Mossmanikin although... in small communities...
01:43 Enke !g Communism
01:43 MinetestBot Enke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
01:43 Peacock Enke there are many schools of keynesian though, yet we still experienced it :P
01:43 Peacock *thought
01:43 Enke [Communism] is a socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless,[1][2] and stateless social order
01:44 Peacock and that never happened in China or Russia
01:44 Peacock they still had money and classes until the end
01:44 Peacock except the upper classes in communism are regulators
01:45 Peacock people who can't lose their jobs by vote or buyouts
01:45 Enke Because communism didn't work. It simply made certain people rich at the expense of others.
01:45 Peacock it's two sides of the same coin :P
01:46 Peacock in both system you still have bosses, it's just in one system they make you believe you don't
01:46 iqualfragile_ communism is not a stable state
01:46 Enke Peacock: Are you arguing that communism didn't work because we didn't practice it correctly?
01:46 Mossmanikin Know some people who lived in the DDR, I understand they miss something
01:47 Enke Communist concepts are the perfect fodder for a dictator to take over.
01:48 Mossmanikin Like any dream
01:48 Enke Now why are we arguing. It's pretty obvious that nobody's going to change their line of thought.
01:50 Mossmanikin I'mnot arguing, just exchanging thoughts, I try to refrain from arguing about politics or religion
01:51 Peacock communism didn't work because it would have demanded more selflessness than people were capable of :P
01:52 iqualfragile_ Peacock: exactly my point, comunism is not a stable state
01:52 Enke Well, then, if people cannot do it, then it will not work. Forced compassion isn't compassion.
01:52 Peacock bureaucrats are the same in whatever system, they'll protect their own jobs before thinking of the state
01:53 Enke Well, bureaucrats are anywhere, so...
01:53 Peacock the fall of Rome is a story that has been repeated throughout history
01:54 Peacock and for the same reasons
01:54 Enke You have a point.
01:54 Mossmanikin Look at the past...
01:55 Peacock to me, it doesn't matter what ideals any particular system is built on, there will always be vultures to gut it completely :P
01:57 Peacock somewhat pessimistic/nihilistic, but still :P
01:58 Enke Well, pessimists are either correct or pleasently surprised. Be a pessimist!
01:58 Peacock indeed, i'd rather be pleasantly surprised :P
01:59 Mossmanikin Not really, it's just in the nature of things that everything ends, isn't it?
01:59 Enke wouln't everyone.
01:59 Enke *wouldn't
02:01 Peacock well the last episode of TNG was "All good things come to an end" :P
02:01 Peacock though depending on your religion, you may believe in cyclical history
02:01 VanessaE no, it wasn;t.
02:01 VanessaE it was "All Good Things"/
02:02 Mossmanikin The optimistic version is: not only good things :D
02:02 Peacock ah well, Q used the full sentence :P
02:02 Enke On the upside, all hellish things come to an end.
02:02 VanessaE turn in your geek card :P
02:02 VanessaE Enke: true that
02:03 Enke :)
02:03 Peacock im not crazy about watching the finales since it kinda spoils watching the rest of the series over and over LOL
02:03 Enke Dear Lord, brain overload...
02:04 Enke Just learning about SSH and TelNet and RLogin and all sorts of stuff. PuTTY is hard
02:04 VanessaE well then ENT and TOS are fine, since the former's "fianle" was bunk and the latter lacked one entirely.
02:04 Peacock thought if star trek were remade today on TV, it would be completely for retards so there wouldn't be any point
02:04 VanessaE finale*
02:04 Enke I liked Voyager's finale.
02:05 VanessaE me too
02:05 Peacock really? the end of that episode totally sucked
02:05 Peacock i was expecting to see some sort of homecoming
02:05 Enke I liked it.
02:05 Enke Ah well, just opinions.
02:05 Peacock even the 2-parter Timeless had a better homecoming
02:05 Mossmanikin Liked Dexter's finale
02:05 Peacock really? most people hated it though i never followed Dexter
02:06 Peacock im kinda thinking Mad Men's finale will probably suck
02:06 Mossmanikin No, 't was ok
02:06 Enke Never watched that one.
02:06 Peacock can't wait for Hannibal (TV) to pick up though, should be awesome
02:07 Peacock and game of thrones
02:07 Peacock kinda got into that at the last minute
02:07 Mossmanikin Can't wait for more episodes of the walking dead
02:08 Peacock though game of thrones kinda sounds like finding a free stall in a public bathroom
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02:08 Peacock yeah walking dead was good in the last episode, though the first 1/2 of season 4 and all of season 3 sucked ass
02:08 NANOsoldierEnke My connection randomly died... strange
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02:10 Mossmanikin Normally don't like zombies that much, but walking dead has something
02:10 Peacock walking dead has gone through too many producers, and it shows :P
02:11 Peacock hopefully the second half of s4 will be decent
02:11 Mossmanikin Dunno, haven't watched the latest episodes yet
02:11 Peacock not the last 2-3?
02:12 Peacock you might shit yourself, they were pretty good, compared to everything before
02:12 Mossmanikin Lemme take a look at my disk :D
02:13 Peacock well if you didn't see the tank roll up to the prison, then you haven't seen the last 2 episodes :P
02:13 Mossmanikin Season 3 untill episode 8
02:13 Peacock isn't the current season = 4?
02:14 Mossmanikin Yeah, watch so many series...
02:14 Peacock meh, i understand that :P i recently had a Sliders marathon :P
02:14 Peacock that series could use a remake with a decent budget
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02:15 Mossmanikin Sliders... what was that about?
02:16 Peacock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliders
02:16 Peacock kinda old, which is why i think a decent remake might be cool
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02:17 Mossmanikin Recognize some faces...
02:17 Enke huh?
02:17 Peacock really? i never saw them in anything else since
02:18 Peacock if Sliders hadn't been done by Fox, it might have been better :P
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02:18 Mossmanikin Must've been some forgotten nights in front of the tv
02:19 Peacock well that was at the same time as Outer Limits (90s) and X-Files
02:19 Peacock scifi was something 20 years ago, now it's just action/pron lol
02:20 Enke yep.
02:23 Mossmanikin I always have been interested in scifi, but I'm beginning to really like it now it's out :D
02:25 Peacock well even TNG was better than VOY, not saying VOY is bad, but they recycled alot of conceptes from the previous 2 series
02:26 Peacock thought that has alot to do with Gene Roddenberry dying in the middle of TNG
02:27 Enke Yeah...
02:27 Peacock the science-y stuff died with roddenberry and it became alot more political/dark
02:27 Mossmanikin Of course: too much is too much. But I find recycling in stories very important
02:28 Peacock cuz honestly Picard had a hardon for the prime directive and the other captains made it a point of pride to bend it
02:28 Peacock yeah there was too much star trek
02:29 Peacock TNG hadn't finished before DS9 started, and VOY started before DS9 finished, and ENT was a near-failure
02:29 Peacock if they had spaced it out more they could have "regrouped" for ideas and not have fans sick of the same stories
02:31 Enke Yeah, they kinda milked it for cash.
02:32 Peacock well thats why rick berman and brannon braga aren't in charge anymore :P
02:32 Peacock not saying JJ's story make any more sense, but at least it's different :P
02:34 Enke Damn timeouts..
02:37 Mossmanikin K, folks,have a good time, need some sleep, bye, later
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02:58 thefamilygrog66 Howdy folks
03:00 VanessaE hey grog
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03:11 Peacock Groooooooooooooooooog!
03:12 xn--qei`us I'm having an error in Minetest. I can't seem to find any robots. Every good game has robots. Where are they?
03:12 Peacock the robots are on the irc channel :P
03:12 xn--qei`us Fair enough.
03:13 thefamilygrog66 You, Robot?
03:13 Peacock i'm a gay welsh aborginese bot
03:13 xn--qei`us No, it was just a reference to a post I saw ages ago, but it got deleted.
03:13 thefamilygrog66 Say that five times quickly.
03:14 xn--qei`us A post on the forum, I mean.
03:14 xn--qei`us (This is 0gb.us, by the way.)
03:14 Peacock that's to be expected, half the forums' participants are now moderators :P with plans for the remaining 1/4 to be upgraded
03:15 thefamilygrog66 Why aren't you a moderator yet, mauvebic?
03:15 Peacock because i'm a pain in the ass :P
03:15 Peacock and rarely serious :P
03:16 thefamilygrog66 Haha
03:16 Peacock and don't mind being offensive :P lol
03:16 Peacock besides if they made me moderator, i'd insist on my forum title saying "Queen of Summertime"
03:16 xn--qei`us I'm considering adding a few extra names to my account. I'm trying out this one, seeing if it fits me. Or rather, if this name format fits me. This isn't one of the names I actually plan to group, in case someone tries stealing my name before I decide.
03:17 thefamilygrog66 You guys get hit by any ice storm over there?
03:17 Peacock naw just a snowstorm in QC
03:17 VanessaE nothing here in W. NC but some rain :)
03:17 xn--qei`us Ice storm? That doesn't sound any fun.
03:17 Peacock my balls were last seen around Dunkirk (retreating) last i went to the liquor store
03:17 VanessaE Peacock: froze them off?
03:18 Peacock yeah :(
03:18 thefamilygrog66 It's pretty gross here, and yet beautiful - ice storm paradox...
03:18 Peacock thank god i live downtown eventhough it's a very small city, power doesn't go out here
03:18 thefamilygrog66 My power's remained on, anyway
03:18 Peacock (i got 2 or 3 holiday meals in the freezer)
03:19 thefamilygrog66 I figure I can bbq , if necessary!
03:19 Peacock there's too much snow on my balcony :P
03:19 xn--qei`us Ugh, I'd hate to be without power. I'd feel so cut off. Not to mention the fridge/freezer issue.
03:19 Peacock and the lack of BBQ causes some slight technical difficulties too
03:19 thefamilygrog66 Haha, yes
03:20 thefamilygrog66 I feel a bit better about the whole power thing, living in the city.
03:21 Peacock seriously, i've lived in the sticks most of my life
03:21 Peacock for what i earn, i either get the sticks of a big city, or downtown of a small city :P
03:21 thefamilygrog66 Though I did have a nice wood stove at my last house.
03:21 Peacock these days you can't even get a wood stove installed
03:22 Peacock not without some leftist fuck telling you it's bad lol
03:22 thefamilygrog66 What do you mean?
03:22 Peacock pollution :P
03:22 thefamilygrog66 Hey now, I resemble said leftist fuck
03:23 Peacock resemble is fine, it means you still have common sense built-in :P
03:23 thefamilygrog66 But wood is renewable, so there
03:23 Peacock yeah but depending on the type of stove, it might be illegal
03:23 thefamilygrog66 Nonsense
03:23 Peacock example, you can't get an old-school wood-stove installed (in a relatively big city)
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03:24 thefamilygrog66 Hey megaf
03:24 ^`us Hey, Megaf!
03:24 Megaf hi
03:24 Peacock well that could just be Quebec, we're more leftist than the ROC lol
03:24 Megaf Hi all
03:25 thefamilygrog66 I dunno, your premier sure ain't
03:25 Peacock Marois? she's hella leftist
03:25 Peacock almost downgrade credit rating? No problem!
03:26 thefamilygrog66 So far left, she's a rightwing fascist
03:26 Peacock worries the fuck out of me, thats why i vote CAQ (as in, suck my CAQ...PQ!)
03:26 thefamilygrog66 Full circle, baby
03:26 Peacock what because of that charter thing?
03:26 Megaf Going to sleep already. Good night!
03:27 Peacock considering Ontario (London, Ont) exports terrorists to the 3rd world, seems all of Canada could use such a charter
03:27 thefamilygrog66 Yeah, that was a bit misguided. And I'm saying that as an atheist.
03:28 Peacock i think it's proper, in a secular society there's no room for religion in the public sphere, keep it private
03:28 Peacock we're not denying anyone's right to practice, just keep it at home, like sex lol
03:28 ^`us Good night!
03:29 thefamilygrog66 Unfortunately, some religions have dress codes, which make what you describe impossible.
03:30 Peacock in any case, Europe is a perfect example, they've already stated as much that multiculturalism is a failure, it's just that in Canada we're always 10 years behind the times
03:30 ^`us Yeah, dress and dietary codes.
03:30 Peacock well if your religion has a dress code, there are countries where such a religion is state-sanctionned
03:31 ShadowNinja ##politics? ##religion?
03:31 thefamilygrog66 Yeah, fuck the Amish and their damned beards
03:31 ^`us My religion eats the souls of small children. I can't just not eat when I'm at work.
03:31 Peacock the difference between Quebec and the ROC is that in Quebec the Catholic church ran the show up until the 60's, and we know better than to let any religion ever have that much power again
03:32 ShadowNinja thefamilygrog66: ?
03:32 thefamilygrog66 There's a big difference between power and respect, though.
03:32 ^`us I tried to grow a beard. But no, my hair didn't get long enough.
03:33 thefamilygrog66 </sarcasm> ShadowNinja
03:33 Peacock well in Quebec after the abuses such as the Duplessis Orphans, we decided religions didn't deserve any more recognition than other groups
03:33 ^`us That's a good way to look at them: as the same as other interest groups.
03:34 Peacock you do know right that the catholic church stole and & sold babies, declared illegitimate children insane for the $, etc.?
03:34 Peacock why would we trust any other church after that?
03:34 thefamilygrog66 Except that now in Quebec, folks who work for the public service cannot wear any religious garb, which is ridiculous.
03:35 Peacock if you say so, but it's no more ridiculous than Chineses businesses having to keep signs in English, which is a bylaw in certain Toronto neighbourhoods
03:35 Peacock (the ones with the most asians)
03:35 ShadowNinja Peacock: ... And you have proof that the church officually did this? (someone in the church doing it does not mean that the church agrees)
03:36 Peacock there's a graveyard in the city that both the church and the gov't dont want dug up
03:36 ShadowNinja ...
03:36 thefamilygrog66 Bill 101, speaking of stupid sign laws. And Quebec.
03:36 Peacock well before bill 101, anglos in Montreal told us to "speak White"
03:37 thefamilygrog66 All of them told you that. Sounds legit.
03:37 Peacock yeah most of them did
03:37 ^`us I don't trust churches, but I also don't trust most interest groups. SO same thing to me, really.
03:37 Peacock the few remaining still do
03:37 thefamilygrog66 Hmmm, my bullshit detector is beeping.
03:38 ^`us *So
03:38 Peacock im even surprised you give a shit, we can run our on affairs how we want, and if our anglos aren't happy, they can join you, but then, their house would be 1/2 the size and their food bill twice as much
03:39 Peacock which is why they don't leave
03:39 thefamilygrog66 I grew up in Ottawa...
03:39 Peacock Ottawa ain't Quebec
03:39 thefamilygrog66 Look at a map!
03:40 Peacock and i grew up in Toronto, Montreal
03:40 thefamilygrog66 I spent a lot of my formative years in Hull, etc.
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03:41 Peacock well TO ain't close to Quebec, and Montreal ain't close to Ontario, and if i had to chose, i'd still chose Quebec
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03:41 thefamilygrog66 I.e. right across the bridge from downtown ottawa.
03:41 thefamilygrog66 Moving on....
03:42 Peacock sucks but seperation is coming either way
03:43 Peacock just like Catalonia and Northern Ireland
03:43 Peacock (or Scotland)
03:43 thefamilygrog66 That'll work out well
03:44 Peacock well the ROC is already well on the way to becoming the 51st American state, just keep voting for Harper
03:45 thefamilygrog66 I'm a commie, remember? Haha
03:45 Peacock unfortunately most of your fellow Canadians seem to be drifting in the other direction, you might like Quebec more :P
03:47 thefamilygrog66 Nah, I have faith, hehehe
03:47 Peacock dunno, as much as i'd like to believe in the liberals, Trudeau seems like a complete muppet
03:47 thefamilygrog66 Also, I love playing shows in Montreal.
03:48 thefamilygrog66 Temporary measures, I guess.
03:48 Peacock i love Montreal too :P i only left it because of too much partying lol
03:48 thefamilygrog66 No doubt
03:49 Peacock seriously, both on the federal and provincial levels, we need new gov'ts lol
03:49 ^`us Probably in most countries, we need new governments.
03:51 Peacock career politicians have that effect :P
03:53 Enke Sorry I've been gone, problems with PuTTY
03:54 Enke Oh, Hi familygrog
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04:24 VanessaE thexyz: where is that apk of freeminer again?
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04:24 thexyz ShadowNinja: there are a lot of changes, just compare the branch to minetest master
04:25 thexyz ShadowNinja: abort is subbosed to be rewritten to exception raising
04:26 thexyz !tell iqualfragile no, I do not support minetest with pulls anymore
04:26 MinetestBot thexyz: I'll pass that on when iqualfragile is around
04:26 thexyz VanessaE: dunno check the logs
04:26 thexyz I'm from my phone now
04:26 VanessaE o
04:26 VanessaE ok
04:27 VanessaE http://a.pomf.se/lolvi.apk
04:27 VanessaE this maybe?
04:28 VanessaE (your filenames are...obscure)
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04:29 Microchip Hi, thought maybe you guys could help me with an issue real fast.
04:30 Microchip About Nodetopia.
04:30 Enke Nope, I got nothin'
04:31 Microchip haha
04:31 Microchip Well, no matter what kind of keybindings I use, I just can't figure out how to move around.
04:31 Microchip I don't fall either.
04:32 Microchip Any ideas?
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04:34 thexyz VanessaE: just build it from source
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04:34 thexyz there's build.sh all you need to do is run it
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04:35 VanessaE thexyz: yup, that link is it, or at least it is "a" build of fm anyway.  doesn't run for me though.
04:35 VanessaE oh ok
04:37 Microchip VanessaE: do you have any idea why I can't move around in Nodetopia?
04:38 VanessaE no clue, that's pilzadam's project
04:39 Microchip Has it happened to anybody else, I mean, no matter the gamemode?
04:40 Peacock nodetopia? how many forks are there
04:40 VanessaE it's not a fork
04:40 VanessaE that's just pilzadam's game
04:40 VanessaE formerly named pilztest
04:40 Peacock oh lol
04:40 Peacock neither name is terribly original
04:41 * Microchip bashes his head into the computer, and decides to try to build from source tomorrow
04:41 Microchip Seeya.
04:41 NakedFury there is a some obsession with having block, node, mine, craft in the name
04:42 Peacock though germans are more known for their efficiency than their creativity :P
04:47 VanessaE thexyz: I've never compiled anything on android before...even just unzipping the sources throws a number of operation-not-permitted errors regarding permissions (makes sense, FAT32 fs since it's an sd card).  still safe to proceed?
04:48 * VanessaE wonders if she even has enough storage to install a proper build toolchain :P )
04:53 thexyz wat are you doing
04:53 Peacock many storage, much good, very doge
04:54 thexyz you're supposed to compile on your pc
04:54 VanessaE at the moment, just browsing through the fm 0.4.8.2 sources.
04:54 thexyz also i really hope you read my messages and cloned the repo to /sdcard/freeminer
04:54 VanessaE it is indeed on the sd card, though from the zip rather than a clone.
04:55 VanessaE compiling on the PC makes far more sense though.
04:55 thexyz before reporting that it doesn't work
04:55 VanessaE who said it doesn't work?
04:56 VanessaE I just said it threw a few permissions errors because of fat32.
04:56 VanessaE this is of course perfectly normal.
04:56 thexyz "doesn't run for me though"
04:56 VanessaE oh, no that was the apk.
04:57 VanessaE it crashes immediately on launch.
04:58 thexyz meh
04:58 Peacock much crash, such reboot, wow, good systemd
04:58 * VanessaE looks at the sources.
04:58 thexyz now how about you read my messages once again knowing was I was referring to?
04:59 VanessaE huh?
04:59 VanessaE did you miss the part where I said I was now browsing through the sources?
05:00 VanessaE jeez
05:00 Peacock very fail
05:00 thexyz so you actually do have /sdcard/freeminer yet you can't get to the menu?
05:00 thexyz you should attach adb lolcat output then
05:00 Peacock lol lolcat
05:02 VanessaE I will after I recompile.
05:03 VanessaE vanessa@rainbird:~/Minetest-related/freeminer-0.4.8.2$ find ./ -name build.sh
05:03 VanessaE FAIL
05:04 Peacock much fail, good filled (http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/imag​es/newsfeed/000/581/567/bab.jpg)
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05:07 thexyz you know you're doing something wrong
05:07 thexyz are you sure you're on android branch of my github repo?
05:07 thexyz what's the point of not providing logs until you recompile?
05:07 thexyz please do it niw
05:07 thexyz now*
05:07 VanessaE nope, I'm not.  didn't realize there was a separate branch.
05:08 VanessaE wait, of YOUR git repo?
05:08 VanessaE jeez
05:08 VanessaE it's no wonder I didn't find it.
05:08 VanessaE meh.  interest:  lost.
05:09 thexyz lol
05:09 VanessaE s/lost/losing
05:09 VanessaE /
05:09 thexyz trying to run pre-release builds
05:09 thexyz not following the instructions
05:09 VanessaE what instructions?>
05:09 thexyz not providing logs when asked to
05:10 VanessaE thus far I have seen none
05:10 VanessaE what logs?  I haven't even had a chance to generate any yet
05:10 thexyz being unable to read
05:10 VanessaE jesus toes man, give a person a chance to do stuff.
05:10 VanessaE I am not as fast as I used to be
05:10 thexyz the instructions being to clone the android branch to /sdcard/freeminer of your android device
05:10 * VanessaE facepalms
05:11 VanessaE on the one hand, "clone to /foo on android", on the other hand "build on your PC"....
05:11 VanessaE you don't see how this is confusing?
05:12 thexyz shit
05:13 thexyz i honestly don't like to explain simple things
05:13 thexyz you should clone it to /sdcard/freeminer to be able to run it
05:13 VanessaE simple to you when you've clearly done this a number of times.  not to me when I'm still getting the hang of sideloading stuff to my tablet for crying out loud.
05:14 thexyz you don't typically need to build it from sources
05:14 thexyz got it now?
05:14 thexyz yeah especially since I write this stuff every time I post a link to .apk
05:14 thexyz yet people always say "doesn't werk halp"
05:15 thexyz well does it work now?
05:15 VanessaE wait what?
05:15 VanessaE [12-22 23:34] <thexyz> VanessaE: just build it from source
05:15 VanessaE wtf?
05:15 VanessaE [12-23 00:14] <thexyz> you don't typically need to build it from sources
05:15 VanessaE make up your G*ddamn mind
05:15 VanessaE now that I've cloned it, I'll take a look at what I have.
05:16 thexyz "just build it from source" if the link to pomf confuses you for some reason
05:16 thexyz do you even read ;_;
05:17 thexyz anyway gotta go, bye
05:20 VanessaE bah, fuck this.
05:21 Peacock *frak this
05:23 VanessaE I'll just stick to playing this on the PC.  ALl I wanted to do was a quick 30 second test to see if it worked at all, not turn this into a two hour discussion
05:23 Peacock would you be amenable to a three hour discussion? :P
05:24 VanessaE no. :P
05:25 Peacock as you know, i'm the Minister of Funny Walks
05:25 VanessaE well considering you froze your balls off back in Dunkirk.....
05:25 VanessaE ;)
05:26 Peacock im still waiting on the british navy for those
05:26 Peacock apparently they're going through a work stoppage :/
05:27 Peacock of course, you've heard  the symphony, The British Leyland Concerto - in four movements, all of them slow, with a four-hour tea-break in between.
05:28 VanessaE not familiar with it
05:29 Peacock U NO FAWLTY TOWERS?
05:33 VanessaE ?
05:35 thexyz > getting upset about an internet discussion after not being able to read the installation instructions
05:38 VanessaE too late, I already gave up on it for now.  no binaries in either the git repo or the zip on the website, building from sources requires a dev environment I do not have on my PC (and am not inclined to install right now), and I don't have that logging tool at the moment either (also wasn't inclined to track down/install it at that moment)
05:38 VanessaE sometimes I think you forget the concept of "a quick test"
05:39 VanessaE (and no, the apk didn't even show the menu - just "sorry, $foo has stopped" as soon as I launched it)
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06:08 thexyz BECAUSE YOU FUCKING SHOULD CLONE THE FUCKING REPO INTO /SDCARD/FREEMINER LIKE I FUCKING SAID
06:08 thexyz SORRY FOR WRITING IN CAPS BUT THAT'S HOW IT IS
06:08 thexyz LOL IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE I'M SHOUTING AT YOU
06:14 thexyz also I don't need anyone to do such "quick tests" at the momebt
06:14 thexyz so if you can't figure out how to run it please don't waste my and your time
06:15 thexyz there's a reason I've only posted the link to this apk once or twice in chat
06:15 thexyz not on forums
06:15 thexyz if you still can't figure out why it doesn't worj
06:15 thexyz try deleting builtin directory of minetest and see what happens
06:16 thexyz also it for sure is totally your fault
06:16 thexyz I write the instructions every time I post a link to apk
06:16 thexyz if you fail to find them please don't even try
06:17 thexyz on a side note, the development of android branch will continue after we merge enet to fm
06:18 thexyz this means no mt compatibility after we release to google play
06:18 thexyz have fun
06:19 VanessaE jeez, rage much?
06:20 VanessaE that quick test was not for you, it was purely for my own uses.
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09:43 raffahacks Ne
09:43 raffahacks Megaf?
09:48 VanessaE guess not
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09:54 raffahacks How to register nick
09:54 VanessaE /ns help register
09:54 VanessaE or /msg nickserv help register
09:55 raffahacks Thanks
09:57 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Festivus! :-D
09:58 VanessaE Festivus for the rest of us, eh? :)
09:58 raffahacks Registered!
09:59 JamesTait VanessaE, you know of this celebration?
09:59 raffahacks Are u from frankfurt, vanessa?
09:59 VanessaE JamesTait: only vaguely of its origins from Seinfeld
10:00 VanessaE raffahacks: nope.
10:00 JamesTait VanessaE, first time I've heard of it.  Sounds fun though.
10:00 raffahacks Ok
10:00 VanessaE JamesTait: it's supposed to be entirely a joke :)
10:00 raffahacks What is festivus
10:01 JamesTait VanessaE, which makes it even better. :-P
10:01 VanessaE raffahacks: a gag holiday created within a TV series by a character that doesn't celebrate christmas, but I don't recall why
10:01 JamesTait VanessaE, raffahacks: http://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/festivus/
10:02 raffahacks Thanks lol
10:02 VanessaE heh
10:03 raffahacks Sorry, but you are the first woman coder I found on the web :)
10:03 raffahacks There arent many
10:04 VanessaE yes, we actually exist, imagine that :)
10:04 raffahacks Which languages do u program with
10:04 raffahacks Except lua
10:05 VanessaE currently, just Lua.  I've done BASIC, 6502 assembly, HTML if that counts, plenty of BASH, a bit of Python, a bit of javascript, Verilog, Lua, a touch of C++
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10:06 john_minetest Hello everypony
10:06 VanessaE hi
10:06 raffahacks :)
10:08 raffahacks The only problem of minetest is that it isnt optimised
10:08 raffahacks Optimized
10:08 raffahacks ?
10:10 VanessaE it's debatable
10:10 raffahacks I think someone has to build a minetest pocket for android because buildcraft is laggy
10:10 VanessaE some will say it is not, some will say it is
10:10 john_minetest I think the formspec should be made prettier.
10:10 raffahacks For me it's tooo heavy
10:11 john_minetest Optimisations are nice but it is quite okay. Runs with reasonable speed.
10:11 john_minetest If you want something light, try minetest-classic.
10:12 raffahacks I know but it doesnt work on linux
10:12 raffahacks But it must!
10:12 raffahacks Its a linux nativa gane
10:13 raffahacks I think they must port it
10:14 thexyz VanessaE: have you managed to run it though?
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10:14 VanessaE I gave up for now, I'll try again later when I can think and you are raging less.
10:15 thexyz well it's hard for me to not rage
10:15 thexyz since I've told you multiple times the solution already
10:15 thexyz yet you always get the wrong idea of what I'm talking about
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10:17 raffahacks Minutest classic has more functions
10:18 raffahacks More mods
10:18 thexyz it does?
10:19 raffahacks Can I run a light minetest on a 720 Mb ram celeron pc
10:20 raffahacks Thexyz: mods are the same but are prebuilt in
10:21 raffahacks For example mobs or TNT mod
10:21 john_minetest I want to see this online: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4915
10:21 john_minetest *upstream
10:22 VanessaE hah, I didn't even know those images still existed.
10:22 john_minetest It is so sad that minetest has so much game content and stuff but the menus look so crappy.
10:23 raffahacks Right
10:23 john_minetest I think now, that shaders are in, there should be more done for the menu and formspec look.
10:23 raffahacks Then I think it doesn't manage well shadows
10:24 john_minetest Shadows?
10:24 raffahacks Then I want console font for messages lol
10:24 raffahacks Shadowing
10:25 raffahacks The shadows are ugly
10:26 raffahacks Worse than in minetest bigger brother
10:26 raffahacks Am I clear
10:27 raffahacks And someone must add creepers lol
10:27 raffahacks Want creepers
10:28 raffahacks ButI think creeper mod may need TNT mood
10:28 raffahacks Mod
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10:29 VanessaE john_minetest: well, you're certainly free to take those images and make a pull request with them
10:29 VanessaE expect pilzadam to turn it down though
10:29 VanessaE he doesn't like how formspec imagery works.
10:29 VanessaE hey evergreen
10:30 raffahacks Is celeron 55 the admin
10:31 VanessaE creepers are a minecraft thing, we don't need them.
10:31 VanessaE and if you want them, add the mobf mod.
10:31 john_minetest I like the freeminer main menu much more than the minetest one. It looks much cleaner and fancier and not like a GUI that is only there because it is faster than CLI.
10:31 VanessaE it has a similar creature called a boombomb or something like that
10:32 raffahacks I love creepers
10:32 raffahacks Thanks for advice
10:33 raffahacks But monsters are essential
10:33 john_minetest We shouldn't just copy all minecraft stuff.
10:34 john_minetest It just leads to hate from the minecraftlers.
10:35 raffahacks Right
10:36 VanessaE current mob mods are still, sadly, very laggy because of the network code in minetest
10:36 VanessaE this will eventually be fixed
10:36 VanessaE but as it stands, it's unplayable
10:36 VanessaE except in singleplayer
10:41 john_minetest mobf should be integrated when the code is fixed. After that there has to be a decision which mobs are taken into the game.
10:44 VanessaE not a chance, it's too big
10:44 VanessaE approaching 10 MB now
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10:48 john_minetest maybe a bit smaller version
10:48 john_minetest I think that a lot of features can be thrown out.
10:58 VanessaE fist thing's first, all this mishegas with the network code has to be worked out first.
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11:04 john_minetest Yeah.
11:04 john_minetest Hmmm, reworking the main menu look would maybe be a good idea.
11:04 VanessaE bbl, bed.
11:04 john_minetest hi Jordach
11:05 john_minetest cya VanessaE
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11:28 specing john_minetest: mob algos should be implemented in minetest itself
11:28 specing mob textures/data/whatever else should be in mods
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11:30 thexyz are you sure mobs are laggy because of network code?
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11:42 thexyz why did PA posted a mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3063 that Ive created? who's that ive by the way?
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11:46 sfan5 *facepalm* https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=122845#p122845
11:46 sfan5 and this one too: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=122842#p122842
11:47 sfan5 >Some "root" thingies, never understood for what's that good, before I never had problems without a such thing
11:47 sfan5 >Now, I'm not even sure if Ubuntu is even better than WinXP...
12:02 specing It is not
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12:03 specing sfan5: bad links
12:08 jin_xi painting mod now wtfpl (previously gpl) if anyone is interested. https://github.com/obneq/painting
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12:18 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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12:47 thexyz jin_xi: you know that you can't just relicense mod from gpl to wtfpl?
12:48 thexyz well since I'm the only other contributor let's say that I'm fine with it
12:48 jin_xi i have asked you some time ago, you said its ok
12:48 jin_xi grep the logs ;)
12:49 jin_xi glad its still ok
12:49 thexyz ah well
12:51 jin_xi also i thought you didnt particularly like gpl anyway? do you have another suggestion for a license? your opinion as the only contributor has some weight here, as i clearly dont care anymore, but ill change it if you like
12:52 sfan5 specing: you need to login to view offtopic
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12:57 MinetestBot iqualfragile: <thexyz> no, I do not support minetest with pulls anymore
12:57 sfan5 my pulseaudio broke :-(
12:58 iqualfragile thexyz: that is indeed sad
13:01 jin_xi here: http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2013-08-19#i_3272472
13:03 iqualfragile sfan5: mine, too, kinda
13:03 iqualfragile im on debian stable atm
13:05 thexyz jin_xi: dunno, what's the point of relicensing it if no one develops it?
13:05 thexyz I'd go with MIT
13:07 jin_xi i chose WTFPL because it seems thats what "the community" prefers, but now that its WTFPL everyone who wants to develop it is free to use whatever license she sees fit
13:08 jin_xi you can relicence WTFPL to whatever you like, right?
13:08 thexyz yes
13:08 thexyz you can do anything with it
13:09 thexyz like remove copyrights and claim you're the one who wrote the code
13:09 jin_xi i dont care
13:09 thexyz because well there's nothing to remove
13:09 thexyz then fine
13:11 iqualfragile thexyz: why not?
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13:12 markveidemanis Hello
13:13 iqualfragile hi markveidemanis
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13:13 Rhy5 Hey hey!
13:13 markveidemanis Hi
13:13 Rhy5 Mark, long time no see bro.
13:14 markveidemanis Hi Rhy5
13:14 markveidemanis Rhys?
13:14 Rhy5 That's my name
13:14 markveidemanis Is the 5 intentional;
13:14 Rhy5 Well, long story
13:14 markveidemanis Lots has changed
13:15 Rhy5 Mark, is your server still up man?
13:15 markveidemanis I now have a blog, my own web server, an irc network, a social network, a
13:15 * Jordach nose dives back into tekkit
13:15 markveidemanis 217.35.229.154:30000
13:16 Rhy5 I mean the old server, the one where we both keep on meeting on. The server were I built the football stadium?
13:16 markveidemanis ...
13:16 Jordach you mean somethingorother.tv
13:16 Jordach i know that server's name
13:16 markveidemanis iL HAVE A RUMMAGE
13:16 Jordach but cannot bring it up
13:16 markveidemanis soz caps
13:16 Rhy5 Lol, Mark.
13:16 iqualfragile markveidemanis: why would you set up your own social network and irc server?
13:17 Rhy5 Have you seen my new profile pic? Like it? Or should I change back to Elmo. :)
13:17 markveidemanis I dont have it on my pc, i remember doing a backup online
13:17 Rhy5 I'm going on your server right now mate.
13:17 markveidemanis Irc experimental python server whose host i am too lazy to kill
13:17 markveidemanis The map is the official MarkTwain future server map
13:17 Rhy5 I see. :)
13:18 Rhy5 Well, should we chat at your awesome server or what?
13:18 markveidemanis Privs need tweaking...
13:18 markveidemanis Oh yea, i got a better PC too :)
13:18 thexyz iqualfragile: why not what?
13:18 Rhy5 Well, let me whois to you here now, I've got some settings to speed up your server. :D
13:18 iqualfragile thexyz: why do you not continue creating pullrequests for minetest
13:19 markveidemanis I had some too but they have just ... vanished
13:19 thexyz iqualfragile: because it's a waste of time
13:19 Rhy5 I can help with that.
13:19 iqualfragile what makes you think so?
13:19 markveidemanis Hmm
13:19 thexyz I spend more time convincing everyone
13:19 markveidemanis No i had some
13:19 thexyz than actually coding stuff
13:19 markveidemanis I had a server on a kindle, i need to pull it off there...
13:19 thexyz and in the end they aren't getting merged anyway
13:19 iqualfragile thexyz: the sad truth is that this is actually how software development works
13:20 thexyz iqualfragile: really? perhaps I know nothing about software development
13:20 markveidemanis the settings i had accumulated over a year...
13:20 thexyz iqualfragile: you know, usually people give you a, erm, task to work on
13:20 iqualfragile yes, its a bit different in open source software, where you can basicly chosse your task
13:20 thexyz minetest development is too chaotic
13:20 thexyz because there's no leader(s)
13:21 thexyz so people can't decide
13:21 thexyz see, I want enet, sapier wants to tune current protocol
13:21 thexyz there's no man to decide what to do
13:22 thexyz anyway, what do you want from me?
13:25 iqualfragile thexyz: i would basicly want those performance fixes in minetest in case they were not implemented in the same  hacky way prollers general performance fix was
13:26 thexyz iqualfragile: what do you find hacky about proller's fixes?
13:26 thexyz iqualfragile: the main "fix" is switch from internal tcp-over-udp implementation to enet
13:26 thexyz that's about network stuff
13:26 thexyz then there are some proller's fixes
13:26 thexyz that probably are worth more
13:27 thexyz i.e. some tuning of how blocks are sent to clients
13:27 thexyz I'm not too sure
13:27 iqualfragile i think that has been discussed  enought, but i can repeat some arguments (beeing hacky)
13:27 thexyz iqualfragile: if you want those fixes implemented in minetest go to #minetest-dev and convince them
13:27 thexyz I find those fixes fine
13:27 thexyz I'm also not going to fix what's not broken
13:28 thexyz so if you find them hacky then go on and fix them
13:28 iqualfragile the idea of these "fixes" was broken so there is no way to fix the fixes
13:28 iqualfragile the switch to enet is quite a big decision, dont you think
13:29 iqualfragile it not only breaks backward compatibility completly, it allso remove ipv6 support
13:29 thexyz fine, ipv6 support will be added at some time (before final merge to freeminer master)
13:29 thexyz so what do you want from me then?
13:29 iqualfragile on the other hand it does apparently improve performance a lot and offload some development effort to the enet devs
13:30 iqualfragile thexyz: how do you want to add ipv6 support?
13:30 iqualfragile improve enet?
13:31 iqualfragile in that case one of the biggest contra-points against enet would be removed and there would be quite a chance of enet beeing used in minetest
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13:33 thexyz iqualfragile: there already is a pull request into enet adding ipv6
13:33 thexyz iqualfragile: then there's proller who can implement this and test
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13:41 proller iqualfragile, but "broken" freeminer can handle 100+ players..
13:41 proller minetest can ~10
13:42 iqualfragile thexyz: in that case: great, then there is only one argument left: backward compatibility and its quite a big one, as minetest is in a linux environment and distributions  (besider archlinx and gentoo) do not contain the latest released version
13:42 proller but it not broken!
13:42 iqualfragile proller: brb, answering that
13:43 Enke What's goin on?
13:45 thexyz iqualfragile: I don't care about backwards compatibility
13:45 thexyz in this particular case
13:46 thexyz Enke: developing!
13:46 Enke Joy!
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13:52 Rhy5 Hi Adam
13:54 specing iqualfragile: isn't minetest still in beta?
13:54 Rhy5 Hmm? Minetest is 0.4.8. I don't think so.
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13:58 iqualfragile specing: not realy
13:58 iqualfragile it is allready included in debian, debian does not include betas
13:59 iqualfragile thexyz: why not? (that is more or less the only thing where backwards compatibility matters)
14:00 * specing doesen't care about backward compat either
14:00 specing :)
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14:02 iqualfragile specing: which os are you using?
14:05 thexyz iqualfragile: because having enet and having backwards compatibility conflict with each other and I chose enet
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14:06 iqualfragile thexyz: you mean to imply having good network performance and having enet conflict?
14:06 iqualfragile sorry
14:06 iqualfragile thexyz: you mean to imply having good network performance and having backward compatibility conflict?
14:09 thexyz iqualfragile: no, I mean that having enet and having backwards compatibility conflict, like I said
14:09 iqualfragile so using enet is a goal on its own?
14:09 thexyz using enet is a way to achieve good network performance
14:09 thexyz maybe there are other ways
14:09 thexyz this is the way that I chose
14:10 thexyz sapier, for example, has decided to play with Minetest network code instead
14:10 iqualfragile wouldnt it be more rational to choose a way which provides good network performance and still keeps backwards compatibility?
14:11 thexyz feel free to do this then?
14:11 thexyz I felt like improving Minetest network code would be too hard for me
14:11 thexyz because I by no means am a specialist in network code stuff
14:11 thexyz so I chose to use a solution which just works
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14:13 iqualfragile thexyz: i think sapier is working on that right now, and has archived some sucsesses
14:13 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix particle code ignoring return value of std::vector::erase(). Wat. a5377251e2 2013-12-23T06:11:53-08:00 http://git.io/axw10Q
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14:18 specing iqualfragile: Gentoo
14:18 iqualfragile specing: see, thats the point
14:18 iqualfragile a lot of people playing minetest are using ubuntu or debian or fedora
14:18 specing so...?
14:18 iqualfragile and none of these contain the latest version
14:19 iqualfragile so they would be unable to join updated servers
14:19 specing that is distro's problem
14:19 specing not yours
14:20 specing Also, I'm noticing that most of the servers run GIT versions and that is NOT okay
14:20 specing servers should run stable versions with the exception of testing/devel servers
14:21 john_minetest Git versions have new features.
14:21 john_minetest It seems that those features are SO good that people rather use the git version instead of the stable ones.
14:22 thexyz specing: that's another problem of Minetest
14:22 thexyz iqualfragile: yes, I heard this too, I don't believe that he'll be able to beat enet
14:22 thexyz iqualfragile: or at least reach the comparable performance
14:22 specing and when you get rid of this problem, you'll get rid of the breaking compat one
14:22 iqualfragile why not?
14:22 thexyz and just dropping enet in also helps us get rid of a lot of code
14:22 thexyz anyway, why do you even care?
14:23 thexyz I'm doing this for FM, not MT
14:23 iqualfragile specing: no, because you do not only put those features in a dev branch to play around with it, you plan on getting it mainlined
14:23 specing when you implement enet, bumb the version to 0.5, put a big red compat warning on the download page and that is it
14:23 thexyz I'm fine with MT being incompatible to FM; I'm fine with MT not merging our stuff
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14:24 iqualfragile thexyz: because it splits communities and development effort
14:25 specing thexyz: go ahead with it
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14:30 john_minetest celeron55 should make a recording, like Linus did it with "linux", in which he explains how to pronounce "mese".
14:30 john_minetest ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/SillySounds/
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14:32 iqualfragile john_minetest: i met him last summer, but forgot to ask
14:32 iqualfragile -.-
14:33 sfan5 and there is no way to transmit sounds over internet?
14:34 thexyz iqualfragile: i don't care
14:34 thexyz pretty selfish, yeah
14:35 iqualfragile in that case i cant even wish you best luck
14:42 thexyz indeed
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14:59 john_minetest http://global3.memecdn.com/pc​-amp-gt-console_o_2537763.jpg
15:00 PilzAdam john_minetest, theres no spyware on that xbox
15:00 PilzAdam not very realistic
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15:23 john_minetest http://global3.memecdn.com/too​-good-to-be-true_o_2617815.jpg
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15:34 VargaD Hi, minetest server (current dev probably older releases also affected) use a lot of CPU even in idle, I have found the problem
15:34 phantombeta Hi
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15:35 VargaD MutexedQueue implementation throws exception many times a second
15:36 VargaD it is very bad to use exception in control flow
15:37 VargaD it just throws exception because a minimal timeout reached, and it throws many times
15:39 VargaD MutexedQueue::pop_front shouldn't throw exception when the teimout reached
15:47 thexyz VargaD: you probably should report this issue to #minetest-dev
15:47 VargaD thanks, I didn't know that you have a separate dev channel
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16:19 john_minetest PilzAdam: Your minetest builds are heavily outdated.
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16:20 PilzAdam john_minetest, "Ask me here or in IRC if you want a new build."
16:21 john_minetest Well, I asked here on IRC ;)
16:21 PilzAdam you havent asked anything
16:23 Rhy5 I'll ask for john_minetest. PilzAdam: Could you make a new build for john_minetest please? Thanks.
16:23 john_minetest It was an indirect question... but anyways, I will test other builds first. I missed BlockMen's
16:24 Rhy5 I'm still on 0.4.8-release. :O
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16:25 john_minetest mod manager is not working properly there
16:25 zsoltisawesome !seen lordcirth
16:25 MinetestBot zsoltisawesome: lordcirth was last seen at 2013-12-17 05:57:26 UTC on #minetest
16:25 zsoltisawesome looks like hes on xmas break :D
16:25 Rhy5 Mmmm...
16:26 Rhy5 !seen Dan
16:26 MinetestBot Rhy5: Sorry, I haven't seen dan around.
16:26 zsoltisawesome lol
16:26 Rhy5 Ah.
16:26 Rhy5 !seen Dan_Duncombe
16:26 MinetestBot Rhy5: Sorry, I haven't seen dan_duncombe around.
16:26 Rhy5 Gahhhhh
16:26 Rhy5 !seen Dan_D
16:26 MinetestBot Rhy5: dan_d was last seen at 2013-11-16 19:49:46 UTC on #minetest
16:26 Rhy5 Right.
16:26 zsoltisawesome woah
16:26 zsoltisawesome quite a while ago
16:26 Rhy5 You see... he got banned.
16:27 * Jordach sighs
16:27 Jordach been busy playing tekkit all day to get ideas for technic
16:27 Rhy5 Jordach, just a question, have yah tried out any of my mods? :)
16:27 Jordach nope
16:27 zsoltisawesome all day? shoot, my day is just starting!
16:28 Rhy5 Makes alot of sense.
16:28 Jordach i've spent more ores and resources into getting machines working
16:28 Rhy5 Wow. :D
16:28 Jordach i even have a machine that over time, will make bread from raw sunlight
16:28 zsoltisawesome wow
16:28 Rhy5 :O
16:28 Jordach (internal note: get a mass fabricator)
16:28 Rhy5 You've been working.
16:28 Jordach i was doing it with Evergreen
16:29 Rhy5 Does it seem strange that a 11 year old boy makes mods?
16:29 Jordach if someone found my IP and connected to me, you'll be able to join my tekkit world
16:30 * Rhy5 immediately hacks into Jordach's world.
16:30 Rhy5 ^^
16:30 zsoltisawesome lol
16:30 * Rhy5 joins Jordach's game
16:30 Jordach 6:30:41 [INFO] Stopping server
16:30 Jordach jordach@TeslaBolt:~/Desktop/server$
16:31 Rhy5 Like a boss
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16:33 Jordach zsoltisawesome, give me time and patience, you'll get shit like this: http://imgur.com/a/UCq1s
16:33 VanessaE ...made with pipeworks
16:33 Jordach close enough :)
16:34 VanessaE (except mese filters are currently busted because I suck)
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16:41 Enke Pipeworks!
16:41 zsoltisawesome they do?i though they didn't work?
16:42 VanessaE heh
16:42 zsoltisawesome lol
16:42 zsoltisawesome quote: VanessaE
16:42 zsoltisawesome (except mese filters are currently busted because I suck)
16:43 Jordach zsoltisawesome, quote: Dan_D
16:43 VanessaE zsoltisawesome: in current pipeworks git HEAD, mese filters don't work and I've been too lazy to fix them :P
16:43 Jordach </trollface>
16:43 zsoltisawesome Damn Kiwi IRC
16:43 zsoltisawesome VanessaE: ah
16:44 Jordach zsoltisawesome, get a real client
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16:44 zsoltisawesome Jordach: get a real life
16:44 Jordach zsoltisawesome, i'm actually doing well
16:45 zsoltisawesome lol
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16:54 thexyz PilzAdam: where can I find your branch with colored chat?
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16:56 john_minetest We have to do something with the chat. It becomes unusable.
16:56 kaeza afternoons
16:56 john_minetest hi kaeza
16:57 john_minetest The chat is just to small to read.
16:57 kaeza hey john
16:57 john_minetest Why can't there be TTF enabled by default and a config option for text size?
16:58 john_minetest I haven't got really bad eyes but on a HD screen it is just unbearable
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17:00 Microchip Hi,
17:00 Microchip .*
17:00 Microchip PilzAdam, are you afk?
17:01 Microchip brb
17:03 Microchip joined #minetest
17:04 Microchip There. Ubuntu :D
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17:05 zsoltisawesome Microchip: What about Ubuntu?
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17:06 Microchip Logged in. That's why I said brb. I logged into Ubuntu
17:07 Calinou <zsoltisawesome> Jordach: get a real life
17:07 Calinou please don't talk like that
17:07 Calinou john_minetest, there's "font_size" I think?
17:08 john_minetest Calinou: But only for TTF, right?
17:08 VanessaE john_minetest: just use my font.
17:10 Microchip Wow, minetest takes awhile to compile
17:10 zsoltisawesome did Megaf get his mac version running?
17:11 Microchip Don't know
17:12 john_minetest Microchip: About 1:30 for me.
17:13 john_minetest (1 minute 30 seconds)
17:13 zsoltisawesome woah
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17:13 zsoltisawesome you got a speedy computer
17:13 Microchip Who?
17:13 zsoltisawesome john_minetest:
17:13 john_minetest Unfortunately it is 600 km away. Next time I am there is in January.
17:14 zsoltisawesome what?
17:14 Microchip joined #minetest
17:14 john_minetest It is a 4-core i7 newest generation.
17:14 zsoltisawesome visiting for xmas?
17:14 john_minetest Yeah.
17:14 zsoltisawesome fun!
17:14 Microchip o.O
17:14 Microchip Wow
17:14 john_minetest And only took my old laptop with me.
17:14 Guest75774 Why's my name messed up?
17:14 zsoltisawesome idk
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17:15 Guest75774 WEll i got nodetopia working!
17:15 ILikePineapplePi hehe
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17:16 Microchip__ There.
17:17 Microchip__ Well Nodetopia works with 0.4.8-dev
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17:23 Microchip__ Whoa!
17:23 Microchip__ Waving leaves are awesome!
17:25 Microchip__ Water too... Good job :)
17:26 specing proller: did you do anything to the nuke mod?
17:26 specing it doesen't seem to be able to craft 'hardcore iron tnt'
17:27 proller on sky ? disabled because tooo many griefers
17:27 specing yes
17:27 specing damn :(
17:28 ILikePineapplePi whats nodetopia?
17:28 Microchip__ A gamemode
17:28 Microchip__ More survival base
17:28 Microchip__ based*
17:28 ILikePineapplePi why is it not on the forum?
17:28 Microchip__ Don't know. Search it on Github.com
17:30 ILikePineapplePi i found it
17:30 Microchip__ ?
17:30 zsoltisawesome ??
17:30 Microchip__ O_O
17:31 zsoltisawesome O_O_O
17:33 * Microchip__ punches himself in the mouth
17:34 zsoltisawesome why?
17:34 Microchip__ Bored.
17:34 Microchip__ ;D
17:34 * zsoltisawesome slaps Microchip__ around a bit with a large trout
17:34 zsoltisawesome feel better?
17:34 Microchip__ ... ow xD
17:35 * Microchip__ cooks and eats the trout
17:35 zsoltisawesome you have a forum account?
17:35 Microchip__ Yeah
17:35 * Calinou takes Princess Twilight Sparkle away from zsoltisawesome
17:35 VanessaE oh G*d is that stupid trout macro ever gonna die?
17:35 zsoltisawesome NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
17:35 Microchip__ Lol Vanessa
17:36 zsoltisawesome VanessaE: it's hardcoded into most IRC clients
17:36 VanessaE I doubt "most".
17:36 Microchip__ How would you use it?
17:36 zsoltisawesome use what?
17:36 zsoltisawesome oh the slap?
17:36 Microchip__ That macro trout thing... Is it a chat command?
17:36 zsoltisawesome ya
17:37 specing proller: water just dropepd and I fell to the rocks :/
17:37 zsoltisawesome ./slap USER
17:37 zsoltisawesome should work
17:37 Microchip__ hm. not in Xchat for Ubuntu
17:37 specing proller: somebody seems to have built spawn in
17:37 zsoltisawesome hmm
17:38 zsoltisawesome xchat is outdated
17:38 Microchip__ eh... It works :P
17:38 zsoltisawesome true
17:39 Microchip__ help /m
17:39 Microchip__ nvm..
17:39 Calinou but, it's unmaintained... it could have security issues. on top of that, Hexchat is more feautreful
17:39 Microchip__ Is it in Ubuntu repositories?
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17:40 Calinou no, you can add a PPA though
17:40 Microchip__ ah.
17:40 Calinou what ubuntu version do you use?
17:40 proller specing, /die many times
17:41 Microchip__ 12.04 LTS
17:41 zsoltisawesome lol me too
17:42 Microchip__ Cool
17:42 Calinou Microchip__, go to "Software Sources", then to "Other Software", click "Add" and add this line:
17:42 Calinou deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gwendal-​lebihan-dev/hexchat-stable/ubuntu precise main
17:42 Calinou then, install the package "hexchat"
17:43 Microchip__ ok
17:43 zsoltisawesome Calinou: :D
17:44 Microchip__ Add source, the button i mean, is grayed out
17:45 zsoltisawesome Calinou: "Connected to server: adams.freenode.net Budapest, HU, EU"
17:45 Calinou it's not for me...
17:46 Microchip__ nvm
17:46 Calinou normally you have "Add", "Edit" and "Delete"
17:46 Microchip__ i didnt add "ubuntu precise main:
17:46 Microchip__ to the end
17:46 Calinou you have to add the whole line :) that's why it is called "APT line"
17:46 Microchip__ haha yeah :)
17:47 Microchip__ Except XChat only allows copy-paste of urls
17:47 VanessaE Except XChat only allows copy-paste of urls
17:47 VanessaE it does?>
17:47 VanessaE seems to work for me
17:47 Calinou you can add it through command line means: "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" or "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"... in this case, you add the APT line at the beginning of the file, then you save it, then you run "sudo apt-get update"
17:47 Microchip__ Right-click menu i guess
17:47 Calinou I just gave you the GUI way of adding repositories
17:47 Microchip__ Yeah :P
17:47 Microchip__ i love apt-get
17:47 VanessaE highlight-ctrlC-ctrlV...
17:47 * VanessaE shrugs
17:48 zsoltisawesome lol
17:48 Microchip__ ah... yes guess that would work VanessaE
17:48 * Microchip__ feels like a noob now
17:48 Microchip__ Loggin in through hexchat
17:48 * zsoltisawesome pretends that he isn't offended by the term "noob"
17:49 VanessaE good.
17:49 VanessaE :P
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17:49 microchip__ I think im in
17:49 VanessaE nope
17:49 VanessaE you're out :P
17:49 microchip__ -.- ;) jk
17:49 zsoltisawesome no, he's in between
17:49 microchip__ ah... in the doorway
17:50 zsoltisawesome lol
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17:50 VanessaE well get in here and close the G*d damn door already
17:50 VanessaE it's cold outside.
17:50 zsoltisawesome lol
17:50 microchip__ or halfway through a default:obsidian_glass window xD
17:50 zsoltisawesome inded
17:50 microchip__ yeah... indeed
17:50 zsoltisawesome my imaginary cat froze
17:51 microchip__ o.O
17:51 zsoltisawesome :(
17:51 zsoltisawesome lol
17:51 Calinou microchip__, you're not a noob, if you're willing to learn ;)
17:51 zsoltisawesome jk
17:51 microchip__ haha Calinou, guess not :)
17:51 zsoltisawesome Calinou: we were all noobs at one point :D
17:51 * john_minetest puts his imaginary kitten on zsoltisawesome's head
17:51 * zsoltisawesome pets it softly
17:51 john_minetest "newbie" is the nicer term for "noob".
17:52 * zsoltisawesome sneezes
17:52 microchip__ but not the same
17:52 * zsoltisawesome sneezes again
17:52 * microchip__ kicks the cat off of zsoltisawesome's head and gives him a tissur
17:52 microchip__ tissue*
17:52 * zsoltisawesome admits he has a cold
17:52 microchip__ Don't want no boogers on my new Ubuntu install -.-
17:52 zsoltisawesome lol
17:53 microchip__ That stinks.. sick for Christmas
17:53 zsoltisawesome ya
17:53 zsoltisawesome i've had it for like 2 months now
17:53 microchip__ :S
17:54 zsoltisawesome it wont stop clinging to me
17:54 Jordach you're all n00bs
17:54 microchip__ I'll admit i don't get sick much. Not going to school does give some advantages lol
17:54 microchip__ Why Jordach?
17:54 zsoltisawesome i dont go school either
17:54 Calinou zsoltisawesome, newbies*
17:55 * zsoltisawesome goes to http://www.k12.com
17:55 * Jordach prefers https://forum.minetest.net
17:55 * microchip__ has the same teacher year after year after year for every class :S
17:56 zsoltisawesome that sucks
17:56 zsoltisawesome i get new techers every year
17:56 microchip__ haha. My teacher is my mother... good and bad at the same time XD
17:56 Calinou beware of the links you paste
17:57 Jordach because one might lead to a disabled safesearch on ponies
17:57 zsoltisawesome Calinou: beware of the beware-of-the-links-you-paste monster
17:57 microchip__ XD
17:57 zsoltisawesome Jordach: LOL
17:58 microchip__ Well you'll be OK using google
17:58 Jordach zsoltisawesome, be EXTREMELY CAREFUL with certain words, ESP. with well known franchies
17:58 microchip__ Cuz you can't disable safesearch on image searches.
17:58 Jordach franchises*
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17:59 zsoltisawesome what say?
18:00 microchip__ I have to go :/ brother has an orthodontist appointment
18:00 microchip__ Bue
18:00 zsoltisawesome darn
18:00 microchip__ Bye*
18:02 zsoltisawesome Calinou: i liked your fun fact the other day
18:03 zsoltisawesome "fun fact: imageshack.us = images hack us"
18:03 kaeza experts exchange
18:04 zsoltisawesome what?
18:04 kaeza (or pen island <.<)
18:07 Calinou PermissionsEx!
18:07 Calinou channel: #permissionsex @ espernet
18:07 Calinou (that's a CraftBukkit plugin)
18:07 zsoltisawesome lol
18:10 zsoltisawesome :(
18:10 zsoltisawesome Roblox is dieing a slow and painful death... :(
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18:11 zsoltisawesome lol unaffiliated/marktwain
18:12 markveidemanis test
18:12 specing proller: can you put unified_inventory onto your server?
18:12 markveidemanis Thats not my nick
18:12 markveidemanis clear
18:12 zsoltisawesome i know
18:12 markveidemanis ffs
18:12 zsoltisawesome its just funny
18:12 markveidemanis I have 3 accounts, markveidemanis, marktwain, mtmt
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18:13 MarkTwain http://marktest.co.uk Who likes the snow?
18:13 proller specing, it already unified
18:14 john_minetest MarkTwain: There is no snow
18:14 MarkTwain I need an article
18:14 MarkTwain Then you have JS off
18:14 Jordach MarkTwain, what did we all say about the spamming
18:14 john_minetest Cuz JS sucks in websites that don't need it.
18:14 zsoltisawesome no snow here too
18:14 MarkTwain http://marktest.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/jetpack/m​odules/holiday-snow/snowstorm.js?ver=1.43.20111201
18:14 MarkTwain Its there"
18:15 john_minetest http://cdn.memegenerator.net​/instances/500x/17784977.jpg
18:16 john_minetest Now snow is working.
18:16 john_minetest Anyways, I am motivated to open a GREAT minetest server now.
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18:16 john_minetest moderated, griefer-safe, events, games, everything.
18:16 Guest48915 I have uno momente
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18:17 microchip__ There
18:18 microchip__ I think i'll change my username to madprogrammi
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18:19 madprogrammi there
18:19 specing proller: it isnt
18:20 specing wait, there is
18:20 specing so how come I still see the old inventory?
18:20 proller strange, i have new
18:20 specing Oh wait
18:20 madprogrammi specing, maybe cache?
18:20 specing I do see new
18:20 specing nwm then
18:21 specing it seems I only had to die to get new
18:21 madprogrammi oops. gtg. wont be getting on for awhile (now) XD
18:22 zsoltisawesome anyone have a RUN_IN_PLACE that runs on ubuntu 64bit?
18:23 zsoltisawesome that they would be willing to share
18:23 Jordach zsoltisawesome, the github instructions are fucking simple
18:23 zsoltisawesome they dont fucking work
18:23 Jordach they fucking do
18:24 VanessaE they work for me, and I run *buntu.
18:24 zsoltisawesome well then fuck livecd's
18:24 Jordach well there you go
18:24 Jordach install the fucking thing then
18:24 VanessaE why are you trying to build using a livecd?
18:24 VanessaE you can't do that.
18:24 VanessaE livecd's aren't meant for that.
18:24 zsoltisawesome ya
18:25 john_minetest I can build everything on an archlinux live CD.
18:26 john_minetest As long as there is enough RAM left to run it on.
18:26 zsoltisawesome Jordach, VanessaE: http://mlfw.info/f/5582/
18:28 Jordach zsoltisawesome, look at all the !kicks zsoltisawesome i give
18:29 zsoltisawesome http://mlfw.info/f/8763/
18:34 * Jordach just doesn't give a fuck
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18:37 zsoltisawesome Jordach: http://mlfw.info/f/2093/
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18:51 MarkTwain I need an article on Minetest servers for my website
18:51 MarkTwain Would anyone like to advertise their server/mod/game/texture pack
18:52 Enke MarkTwain: You could give a list of major servers and a breif description of each.
18:52 MarkTwain Hmm...
18:52 MarkTwain How about i make a form to submit servers and make it available
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18:54 john_minetest All minetest builds for windows are broken
18:54 john_minetest Crashing all the time :(
18:55 john_minetest MarkTwain: Just do it yourself.
18:55 zsoltisawesome might be your computer
18:55 Edelwin build it yourself :p
18:55 Jordach zsoltisawesome, it would be the same for others: a windows binary is a windows binary
18:55 Jordach if the original he copied is busted, others will be the same
18:55 zsoltisawesome no shit
18:55 john_minetest zsoltisawesome: Stuck with my win7 laptop until january.
18:55 john_minetest Old builds always worked.
18:55 john_minetest Building programs on windows is like geting viruses on linux. Practically impossible.
18:56 * Jordach calls definite bullshit
18:56 zsoltisawesome +1
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18:56 Jordach i've successfully built minetest-classic in MSVC 2010
18:56 john_minetest I don't want to use MSVC
18:56 * zsoltisawesome calls the police
18:56 thexyz can I stop minetest from sending chat message from register_on_chat_message callback or some other way?
18:57 zsoltisawesome john_minetest: use mingw with cmake
18:58 kaeza thexyz, return true
18:59 thexyz kaeza: doesn't work
18:59 thexyz also nothing about this in the docs
19:01 kaeza server.cpp:2564
19:01 thexyz uhh
19:01 kaeza well, not in the docs, yes :P
19:02 specing proller: naughty you, disabling stuff with "unknown item" :P
19:03 john_minetest zsoltisawesome: Doesn't work. I tried it several times.
19:03 thexyz ah
19:03 zsoltisawesome john_minetest: strange
19:04 thexyz kaeza: right, it'll display on the client anyway
19:04 thexyz if I got this right
19:04 proller need to make unobtanium, located in hell, in bottom 100 blocks, where obsidian mets ;)
19:04 john_minetest zsoltisawesome: It is really difficult to set a compiler with all libs and stuff up on windows.
19:04 kaeza thexyz, >RUN_CALLBACKS_MODE_OR_SC
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19:04 MarkTwain http://marktest.co.uk/form/
19:04 kaeza so I guess it shows anyway :/
19:05 kaeza why isn't that one MODE_FIRST?
19:05 Jordach remind me at some point to attach that nick to my account ;)
19:05 Jordach and enforce login timer >:)
19:06 thexyz http://i.imgur.com/MHreKYc.png
19:10 VanessaE bbl
19:11 Enke Neat little colored chat test.
19:12 kaeza thexyz, they show for you, but not for anyone else
19:16 thexyz I know
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19:19 kaeza ah well, I misread that
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19:19 kaeza you want it not to show to the sender?
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19:22 thexyz yes
19:22 specing proller: does your server have hostile bots?
19:27 proller specing, mobs? yes, mobs and mobf mods installed
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19:31 proller most of them live in caves
19:33 specing proller: then they are *very* rare
19:34 proller try to find cave:  (-50, -50, -50)  - lot of live here
19:35 proller via teleporters
19:37 Edelwin :)
19:38 specing proller: there is a mod that enables you to pick up stuff just by walking over them
19:38 specing it would be cool to have
19:39 proller good idea
19:47 specing Man that cavern is HUUUGEEE
19:48 Edelwin x)
19:50 specing no seiously, it is *alteast* 200 * 200 * 200 blocks
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20:30 specing proller: Im at -50, -50, -50
20:30 specing Its one huge cavern
20:30 specing seriously
20:30 specing how did you make this?
20:30 specing super nukes?
20:35 proller yes
20:35 proller lot of hardcore_mese_tnt
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20:38 phantombeta Hi
20:39 zsoltisawesome hi
20:40 zsoltisawesome proller: http://mlfw.info/f/5129/
20:41 proller ?
20:41 zsoltisawesome just a joke
20:41 phantombeta How's it going?
20:42 specing proller: LOL, I founf 973 mese TNT
20:42 zsoltisawesome <proller> lot of hardcore_mese_tnt
20:42 zsoltisawesome ^ thats why
20:43 john_minetest Bookmarked http://mlfw.info/f/698/ just in case reactor joins again. :D
20:43 ShadowNinja Hardcore mese TNT? :-( Last I checked those used set_node, made small holes, and had bad physics.
20:44 proller but FM is optimized and ^^ +-works ;)
20:45 zsoltisawesome john_minetest: LOL
20:45 proller we need in goood tnt mod, with protection, dropping digged items, fast, ....
20:47 zsoltisawesome john_minetest: I personally prefer this one: http://mlfw.info/f/3529/
20:51 proller ShadowNinja, we have much faster setnode ;_
20:51 proller ;)
20:51 ShadowNinja proller: It doesn't and won't exist, all those features slow it down. And I believe MC even kills your framerate during that.
20:52 ShadowNinja proller: Really? How?
20:52 proller remove useless shit
20:53 ShadowNinja Oh, well that's a very good description...
20:56 proller if make cube holes with tnt - possible to remove 1 level of nodes per step, and make 100^3+ holes (not instant)
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21:01 zsoltisawesome im back all;
21:01 ShadowNinja I can remove 256^3 nodes in under a minute with my mod.
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21:04 proller without dropping and maybe moving chests its useless
21:14 specing proller: wtf, shutting down without a warning?
21:14 proller yes
21:14 proller HARDCOREEEE
21:14 * specing slaps proller
21:14 proller join
21:15 Edelwin :)
21:15 specing proller: item pickups?
21:15 proller today superspeed update online!
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21:30 * zsoltisawesome waves to sfan5
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21:32 harrison ow
21:33 harrison the needlesharp claws are hurting my scalp
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21:42 proller what tnt mod now the best?
21:44 ShadowNinja proller: Depends what you mean. If you want fancy things then try PilzAdam's mod. (Although it makes rather square holes...)
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21:45 specing proller: furnaces are funny
21:45 proller need 2-3 types of tnt with small, meduim and big ranges
21:45 specing proller: they dont show progress at all
21:46 proller + dropping + protection, and must be fast
21:46 proller PilzAdam's tnt make only one small hole
21:46 PilzAdam big holes with dropping makes it slow
21:48 proller -> timer'ed step by step explosion
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21:49 PilzAdam yea, the tnt explodes and 10 minutes later its finished
21:49 PilzAdam you just cant spawn more than 49 objects per block
21:50 PilzAdam my mod spawns 5*5*5 * 1/3 objects per explosion
21:53 proller maybe spawn only 10% of dropped
21:54 proller 10 steps -> 10x10x10 hole
21:55 proller and 49 limit is configurable
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22:06 specing proller: How about drop in stacks of 99?
22:06 specing so theres little drops, but those are efficient
22:11 specing proller: look at the workers mod
22:13 proller can drop up to 64000+
22:13 proller in one stack
22:23 ShadowNinja 65535 or so.
22:24 ShadowNinja But it should drop it in stack_max stacks.  The technic chainsaw does this, although in a ugly way.
22:40 FreeFull Minecraft consolidates smaller stack into larger ones if they are close together
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22:54 zsoltisawesome if you tell chanserv to op you, does it stay like that?
22:54 zsoltisawesome like every time you join you ar op
22:54 ShadowNinja zsoltisawesome: No, although you can set up auto-op.
22:55 zsoltisawesome how?
22:56 ShadowNinja ChanServ flag +O, Limnoria capability #channel,autoOp, or similar.
22:57 zsoltisawesome Invalid command. Use /msg ChanServ help for a command listing.
22:57 ShadowNinja /cs help flags
22:58 zsoltisawesome oh
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23:00 specing proller: but dropping 65536 in one stack kinda goes against that "max 99 in a stack" rule most items have
23:02 zsoltisawesome ShadowNinja: Thanks for the tip
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23:06 zsoltisawesome who here plays http://www.nessbots.com?
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23:06 Pentium44 hi
23:06 zsoltisawesome hi
23:06 Pentium44 can someone give me some details on this error:
23:07 Pentium44 https://pastee.org/9fshr
23:07 zsoltisawesome details: never run Minetest though Wine
23:07 Pentium44 does the same thing on windows >.>
23:08 zsoltisawesome remember WINE stands for "WINE is not an emulator"
23:08 Pentium44 and it was a cross compile
23:08 zsoltisawesome well then
23:08 john_minetest zsoltisawesome, Only robocode here.
23:08 Pentium44 john_minetest, any idea?
23:09 john_minetest ummmm... Why wine?
23:09 zsoltisawesome john_minetest: you should try NessBots, its in javascript though XD
23:09 Pentium44 a friend was running linux
23:10 john_minetest It runs native on Linux. It crashes all the times on windows for me.
23:10 john_minetest *minetest
23:10 john_minetest Why not just installing it on linux?
23:10 Pentium44 I know
23:10 Pentium44 I am making a binary for windows
23:10 john_minetest There are already 4 people doing that.
23:11 john_minetest I don't think there is a real need.
23:11 Pentium44 this is not minetest >.>
23:11 Pentium44 its my fork
23:11 john_minetest Oh.
23:11 john_minetest Then just ask somebody with windows to try it. Might work there.
23:11 Pentium44 ok
23:11 Pentium44 ill just go try it
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23:17 Pentium44 john_minetest
23:18 Pentium44 I just tried it on windows
23:18 Pentium44 it does not work.
23:18 zsoltisawesome well, everyone have fun, i get to open my xmas presents tomorrow!
23:18 Pentium44 zsoltisawesome, I have to wait till the day afte4r >.>
23:20 john_minetest Pentium44: Do you have all DLLs installed?
23:20 john_minetest Try downloading a normal minetest build and only replace minetest.exe with your version.
23:22 zsoltisawesome Pentium44: sux for ya, im hungarian, we do it a bit differently
23:23 zsoltisawesome but i have to bail so bye!
23:23 zsoltisawesome see u sometime in January!
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23:51 john_minetest cya
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