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00:45 Megaf 1m36 seconds, is this a good time to compile the master branch?
00:45 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/69432/
00:46 Megaf wow, new shaders
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00:59 Megaf Im a good mood, and Minetest have to do to keep me in a good mood is not crash
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02:58 Dogzill131 how to you charge a battery box?
02:58 Dogzill131 Also, whats the recipe to make a electric furnace?
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03:05 ShadowNinja Dogzill131: Connect a power source, switching station, and battery box with cables.
03:06 Dogzill131 ok, thanks
03:07 ShadowNinja Dogzill131: As for the recipe: https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob​/master/technic/machines/LV/electric_furnace.lua
03:07 Dogzill131 thanks again :)
03:08 RavonTUS Greetings, I have a wierd request for help...MT crashes but the error mess is cut off mobf.lua: 505: attempt ????  So, I can't troubleshoot.
03:08 RavonTUS Any suggestions for tweaking the screen in Ubuntu or MT to see the message??
03:11 Enke If what I know is correct, you can find a full debug.txt in the bin folder.
03:17 RavonTUS ok I'll look.
03:20 ShadowNinja RavonTUS: You can also check the terminal output.
03:20 ShadowNinja If you're using windows I believe one is spawned automatically.
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03:22 RavonTUS Didn't see it in bin. :(
03:22 stormchaser3000 hi
03:22 stormchaser3000 didn't see what in bin
03:22 stormchaser3000 ?
03:23 RavonTUS looking for a debug log, if one exist.
03:24 ShadowNinja RavonTUS: It will be in the working directory, which is wherever you started it from.
03:25 stormchaser3000 look in .minetest
03:25 stormchaser3000 in your homefolder
03:26 stormchaser3000 (it is where mine is)
03:26 stormchaser3000 but did you do a run in place build?
03:27 RavonTUS agh!!!!  Sitting right in front of me.  Thanks Stormchaser.
03:27 stormchaser3000 no problem
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03:30 stormchaser3000 hi OldCoder
03:31 OldCoder hi
03:36 RavonTUS Should my debug log be filling up with [ 13.930000]MOBF: error calculation consumed time: 13930 --> 13930
03:37 OldCoder probably not
03:37 RavonTUS :)
03:40 stormchaser3000 lol
03:49 RavonTUS Thanks for the help, night all.
03:49 Enke well, optimally, your debug should have no errors...
03:49 RavonTUS yeah, I should have word that better. :)
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03:52 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/x49FZXe.png gg youtube
04:19 NakedFury any news on MT development?
04:20 NekoGloop Development?
04:20 NakedFury anything new
04:22 NekoGloop What's development?
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04:42 Sokomine ups! found a nyan cat in my singleplayer world
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04:55 hoodedice VanessaE
04:56 VanessaE hi
04:57 hoodedice Do you have a comprehensive list of all missing mods?
04:57 hoodedice I think I'll open up a forum thread for all rphaned mods
04:57 hoodedice *orphaned
05:00 Sokomine how do you define if a mod is oprhaned?
05:00 NakedFury abandoned
05:01 hoodedice A. The developer has quit premanently. And has voiced so
05:01 hoodedice Ex: Cornernote, DanD
05:02 hoodedice B. The developer has just left the site, leaving his mods to rot.
05:02 hoodedice Ex: THIS: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5185
05:03 Sokomine hmm. a) might be detectable to a degree. b is far more difficult.....
05:03 hoodedice If download links are down, we can count it as being orphaned/.abandoned
05:04 hoodedice C. The developer does not want to develop his mods further, and has voiced so.
05:04 hoodedice Ex: None XD
05:04 NakedFury for B we could say a 6 to 1 year period
05:04 Sokomine ah. yes. hopefully someone has a copy stored for such cases
05:04 hoodedice I would think that even a 6 month period would suffice
05:05 Sokomine not all mods really need further development. it depends on the mod...sometimes they're already fine enough
05:05 hoodedice Indeed.
05:05 hoodedice But some examples of those that may need further dev may be Cars and RealTest Revamped
05:06 hoodedice Paramat adopted Cars though
05:07 Sokomine perhaps it might be a good idea to supply downloadable versions attached to the first posting for all mods
05:07 hoodedice ?
05:07 Sokomine that would be especially fine for those hosted on not-working platforms (such as mediafire)
05:08 Sokomine vanessa: hm, did you change the textures of the leaves in rt? i somehow don't manage to get them to display normal again :-(
05:08 hoodedice mediafire: Not working?
05:09 hoodedice Should also add somewhere that certain sites like omdlr should not be used
05:10 NakedFury why?
05:10 VanessaE Sokomine: I did.  you have to trim the padding off the top and bottom of all the leaves images
05:10 VanessaE they're sized to be displayed with the plantlike draw type.
05:10 hoodedice NakedFury: ompdlr is down
05:10 hoodedice Anddamn unreliable
05:11 hoodedice I think people should use bigger hosting sites like Google Drive, or Ubuntu One
05:11 hoodedice Or maybe Wuzzy
05:12 Sokomine mediafire seems to require javascript -> does not work
05:12 hoodedice Sorry, I meany *Wuala
05:13 hoodedice JS? Oh Damn you Stallman XD
05:13 hoodedice I still don't get what is so wrong with JS?
05:13 Sokomine what about the forum hosting? if it's attached directly to the posting the mod can be downloaded at the same time (and with the same reliability) as the posting describing the mod and attracting the player
05:13 Sokomine most mods are pretty small
05:14 Sokomine hoodedice: downloading a file just doesn't require javascript. it can be done excellent without (unless the site in question wants to do questionable things which do need javascript)
05:14 hoodedice And that's why I don't get why they don't use GitHub at all!
05:15 Sokomine it would be ok in situations where js is required for a functionality that cannot be done otherwise
05:15 Sokomine perhaps some modders don't know how to use github or don't have the time to learn it
05:15 hoodedice So everyone turns off JS when downloading stuff?
05:15 Sokomine the forum attachment function is excellent for these cases
05:15 Sokomine no, wrong. js gets turned on on rare occasions
05:16 hoodedice Hmm, forum attachment gets one over mmdb
05:16 hoodedice Oh boy, you evaders!
05:17 Sokomine mmdb is also very fine. both ought to be supported :-) plus a github repro. the easiest for modders might be to just use the forum attachment
05:19 hoodedice If the NSA really knew what was in my Google Drive, they would've killed me by now! XD
05:23 hoodedice Sokomine: Didya check out my handstand mod?
05:23 Sokomine most likely they don't care. they'll take a closer look if you become more important i guess. the real problem with the nsa and co is more complex
05:24 hoodedice They gave me an F1 visa.
05:25 hoodedice Maybe they'll get me at the airport lol
05:31 hoodedice Later
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05:35 VanessaE omg, they got him!
05:35 VanessaE :D
05:36 Sokomine hope we got a backup somewhere :-)
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06:24 xiong What do grass and jungle grass need to spread? Water? No neighbors within what radius? Special conditions?
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06:30 VanessaE afaik the grasses don't spread.
06:30 VanessaE or do they?  I forget.
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07:02 reactor Morning.
07:02 reactor Anyone using vim on a regular basis, here?
07:02 reactor Why doesn't it want to save to read-only files all of the sudden?
07:03 reactor (I own the files)
07:03 reactor nvi saves to them just as fine, with the ":w!"
07:07 VanessaE vi*?  evil.
07:13 reactor You know what, I do not like reaching for the navigation keys with my pinkies.
07:16 * VanessaE shrugs
07:17 VanessaE the way I figure it, if I wanted a command line, I wouldn't have launched an editor :P
07:18 reactor ?
07:18 reactor I don't use GUI editors.
07:18 VanessaE ^^^ why I don't like vi (and hence use nano or gedit, as appropriate to the situation)
07:19 reactor Mkay.
07:20 VanessaE though I find myself missing jpico sometimes :)
07:21 reactor You're trolling, right?
07:21 VanessaE nope.
07:22 VanessaE I cut my teeth on pico.
07:22 VanessaE jpico (joe with pico/nano-esque key bindings) later, then nano, then finally to gui-based apps when I got tired of doing everything in the terminal.
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08:08 VanessaE bbl
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08:51 hoodedice So
08:51 hoodedice Github doesn't include the WTFPL license
09:03 hoodedice Hmm, how do I upload stuff to GItHub again?
09:18 hoodedice Bash me, but I like GithHub for windows
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09:30 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Ninja Day! :-D
09:31 hoodedice Yo
09:32 hoodedice Damn I didn't know that!
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09:41 JamesTait hoodedice, I guess they slipped it by us all, unnoticed. ;)
09:41 hoodedice XD
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09:54 john_minetest Hello everypony
09:54 reactor Hello everybrony.
09:55 john_minetest Since every brony is a pony inside, it is of course "everbrony", too when I say "everypony".
09:55 reactor But not every human is a pony inside.
09:55 reactor Only bronies are a pony inside.
09:55 reactor Okay?
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10:01 john_minetest How do you know if you are not a pony inside?
10:01 john_minetest And if you don't even know that, how can you know if anybody is?
10:01 reactor I have been inside.
10:01 reactor I have seen it.
10:01 john_minetest Then take Canada. http://i.imgur.com/8JBECyw.jpg
10:02 john_minetest Yep, that was random.
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10:03 reactor Megaf: you said you were not coming back.
10:04 Megaf I will always come back when something works
10:04 Megaf minetest is working now
10:04 Megaf well, not the new shaders
10:05 john_minetest The shaders?
10:05 john_minetest Are they broken again?
10:05 hoodedice ...
10:05 Megaf john_minetest, when I enable the new shaders of master branch, everything turns dark
10:05 Megaf really dark
10:05 hoodedice intel?
10:05 hoodedice intel.
10:05 Megaf the sky is blue and everything else is dark
10:06 hoodedice intel indeed
10:06 john_minetest Megaf: Not for me. nvidia (+ proprietary driver)
10:06 Megaf nope, AMD Radeon HD 4200, with open source radon driver
10:06 Megaf brb
10:20 specing yestersday I got trapped in the protector rock user interface
10:21 specing stuck again
10:21 specing how do I escape it?
10:21 specing esc doesen't work :/
10:21 reactor Megaf: you said you weren't coming back eh.
10:21 reactor That's door-slamming.
10:22 specing Megaf: get rid of that radeon and get an nvidia
10:22 specing or intel
10:22 specing just not ... radeon blegh
10:23 john_minetest radeon is nice
10:23 john_minetest nvidia sucks. nothing works.
10:23 john_minetest But WHEN it works, it is better than the other stuff.
10:23 specing I could say that for radeon
10:23 reactor NVIDIA works under FBSD.
10:23 reactor Does Radeon work?
10:23 specing nvidia always worked for me
10:23 john_minetest Intel is completely worthless. crap.
10:24 specing Intel is nice, they have official opensource drivers
10:24 specing Now
10:24 reactor Does Intel do 3D graphics?
10:24 john_minetest Intel doesn't work even on windows.
10:24 specing How do I escape the protector UI?
10:24 specing reactor: yes
10:24 specing reactor: I played lincity the other day on it
10:24 reactor Good.
10:24 specing will do the same with minetest once I start that machine again
10:24 specing on HD2500
10:25 reactor So, does Radeon work on BSD?
10:25 hoodedice (Intel doesn't even work on windows)
10:25 hoodedice If I met you in real life, I would have strangled you
10:26 reactor hoodedice: sadist?
10:26 john_minetest Some nvidias only work with the proprietary driver, some work only with the nouveau one.
10:26 hoodedice No, terrorist
10:26 hoodedice Because beard
10:26 * reactor calls the police
10:26 * hoodedice blows himself up
10:27 john_minetest hoodedice: I met somebody who has an intel graphics + windows. It just bugs all the time. it was about 1 year ago, maybe newer generations of intel might be better.
10:27 hoodedice FOR SCIENCE!
10:27 john_minetest you monster...
10:27 hoodedice I still have a Wolfdale
10:27 * reactor pulls out glass shards out of self. Ouch!
10:27 * john_minetest cleans up 40 acres of glass
10:28 hoodedice Where wolfdale = Core 2 Duo
10:29 john_minetest I use an ATI and a nivida and I used an intel but replaced it because... well, it didn't support GL and the replacement didn't support it, too but at least it was faster.
10:30 hoodedice http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipset​s/mainstream-chipsets/g41-express-chipset.html
10:30 john_minetest we are all hipsters. mainstream-chipsets are no option.
10:31 john_minetest NVIDIA Corporation GK106 [GeForce GTX 645 OEM]
10:33 reactor Hey, do not call me that, john_minetest.
10:33 reactor You're a hipster, alright. Do not call me one.
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10:34 john_minetest reactor: Stop taking everything so serious. We are on #minetest, not on #minetest-dev or #theultraseriousdevsarediscussingseriousfe​aturesforseriousprogramsplusjokesarebanned
10:35 hoodedice #IMADEAHASHTAGLONGERTHANYOURSSOSHUTTHEFUDGECAKE​UPBUTIDOLIKEFUDGECAKESHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
10:36 john_minetest Why so serious?
10:36 john_minetest :))))))))))
10:37 hoodedice Look at what my beast can run!
10:37 hoodedice Microsoft DirectX* 10
10:37 reactor Windows.
10:37 reactor :(
10:37 hoodedice Shader Model* 4.0
10:37 hoodedice and OpenGL* 2.0.
10:37 hoodedice Beat THAT!
10:38 hoodedice capable of "full 1080p high-definition video playback, including Blu-ray disc movies",[14][21]
10:38 john_minetest I can make a hashtag that is actually a word in germany: #donaudampfschiffahrtskapitänsmützenstylemaga​zinhochglanzpapierglänzendmacherflüssigkeitsd​epotabdichtungsringgummibaumrindenwurmvernich​tungsmittelherstellerparkplatzschilderdieb
10:38 hoodedice [Of course it's from wikipedia]
10:38 reactor Who needs those crazy resolutions.
10:38 reactor Movies in 640x480 are enough.
10:38 hoodedice I watch em @720p
10:38 reactor HIgher res is not worth the disk overhead.
10:38 hoodedice nice on the eyes and enogh detail
10:39 reactor 720p is quite sufficient, yes.
10:39 reactor But 1080p is crazy.
10:39 reactor Who needs to see every dust particle.
10:39 hoodedice john_minetest: Oh, yeah? Beat this: #Lopado­­temacho­­selacho­­galeo­­kranio­­leipsa​no­­drim­­hypo­­trimmato­­silphio­­parao­­melito​­­katakechy­­meno­­kichl­­epi­­kossypho­­phatto­​­perister­­alektryon­­opte­­kephallio­­kigklo­­p​eleio­­lagoio­­siraio­­baphe­­tragano­­pterygon
10:39 reactor Average adult eyes don't even provide enough resolution.
10:39 hoodedice Indeed.
10:39 hoodedice But I'll play BF4 if I can, in full reso
10:40 hoodedice (With a newer computer, of course)
10:40 reactor Beside video games and image editing, high resolutions are waste.
10:40 hoodedice Not always
10:40 reactor Who needs a huge screen if one could use bitmap fonts, for programming.
10:40 hoodedice I like to watch motor sports in 4K
10:41 john_minetest hoodedice, DirectX 11.0, OpenGL 4.4
10:41 hoodedice And touring shows
10:41 hoodedice With cliffs and rivulets, and... stuff
10:42 hoodedice john_minetest: (Don't get the sarcasm do you?)
10:42 hoodedice Movies are (usually) boring
10:42 john_minetest I got it. But I wanteds to show my stats. Look how good my PC is. PC dick fight.
10:42 hoodedice AWWW
10:42 hoodedice You said a bad word!
10:42 john_minetest D:
10:43 hoodedice Pray for repentence you faggotty sinner!
10:43 hoodedice HAAW! I said a bad word too!
10:43 hoodedice Look what you'd done!
10:43 john_minetest "dick" is the german word for "fat". So I just said that we start a fat PC fight.
10:43 john_minetest ;P
10:44 john_minetest I don't play any game except minetest and pioneer on this PC-
10:44 john_minetest And I don't watch TV. It is just boring.
10:44 hoodedice And faggot is English for brach ;)
10:45 hoodedice And Dick is also Richard
10:45 john_minetest "fagott" is the german word for the bassoon
10:46 john_minetest "Lol, you can't write english and you are insulting!"  --- "No, just speaking about german music" :D
10:47 hoodedice You play pioneer? That game is as confusing as Dwarf Fortress
10:47 hoodedice No, less confusing
10:47 Exio4 reactor: 1080p is pretty l33t
10:50 hoodedice 1337
10:50 reactor Exio4: it's not. It's a waste of disk space and processing power.
10:52 Exio4 my gpu was 350 ARS and uses less than 35W, and i don't even get my cpu at 100% when playing a 1080p movie
10:52 hoodedice Whatever
10:52 Exio4 350 ARS, for a real price on your lands, / 10 = USDç
10:52 hoodedice It is a waste of screen space
10:52 Exio4
10:52 Exio4 hoodedice: what space?
10:53 hoodedice The black rectangles on the top and bottm
10:53 Exio4 wut.
10:53 hoodedice Of my AWESOME 4:3 screen
10:53 hoodedice XD
10:53 reactor 16:9 screens are inconvenient.
10:53 hoodedice Oh and people
10:53 hoodedice I released my first mod
10:53 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7890
10:53 Exio4 ah
10:54 hoodedice Indeed, You can't read code nicely on 'em
10:54 hoodedice In EA's Frostbit video there was this guy with the best screen ever!
10:54 Exio4 they have few pixels than a 4:3 screen at the same diagonal-size, tho
10:54 reactor I wish one could easily mount a 16:9 panel on its side.
10:55 reactor That would allow for seeing more program
10:55 reactor Less tedious scrolling to do.
10:55 hoodedice http://youtu.be/fBecEtNAavQ?t=3m25s
10:55 john_minetest hoodedice: I play pioneer space sim
10:55 hoodedice 3:25
10:55 Exio4 you could
10:56 Exio4 just flip the screen with software and then flip it irl
10:56 hoodedice hmm, yes it is possible =)
10:56 hoodedice I'm so happy now!
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10:57 reactor Exio4: I hope X11 supports that.
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10:57 john_minetest hoodedice: The link to your mod is dead
10:58 hoodedice Not. You didn't log in
10:58 hoodedice (Offtopic)
11:02 hoodedice I jinxed the IRC again!
11:02 reactor Pwned.
11:04 hoodedice ?
11:04 hoodedice What colour is default:brick?
11:04 john_minetest Great mod. But the visuals look a bit ugly. Looks like graphics from 1987.
11:05 hoodedice Hmm
11:05 hoodedice But that's what I really wanted
11:06 hoodedice Check the code on Github, the code's 'more recent' if you know what I mean
11:06 reactor ?
11:07 reactor What visuals?
11:07 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZi4JxbTwPo
11:09 john_minetest hoodedice: The github one looks newer.
11:10 john_minetest But still graphics are like 2002. Maybe a bit newer.
11:11 hoodedice Hmm
11:11 hoodedice reactor: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7890
11:11 reactor Bad request.
11:11 hoodedice Does 255:0:4 look brick red (RGB)?
11:11 hoodedice Log in
11:12 hoodedice to the forums
11:12 reactor I have no account.
11:12 reactor 255 would be too bright, wouldn't it?
11:12 hoodedice Bad guy.
11:12 reactor You're making 1x1 textures?
11:12 hoodedice What would you say?
11:12 hoodedice N
11:12 reactor ?!
11:12 reactor Idk.
11:12 reactor Hmm.
11:12 reactor Care to see my texture pack?
11:12 hoodedice No. 1:1
11:12 hoodedice Sure
11:12 reactor A sec.
11:13 hoodedice Ya, 163 R is much better
11:14 reactor ftp://mike402.no-ip.biz/pub/minetest​/Pripyat/screenshots-131201.tar.bz2
11:14 reactor ftp://mike402.no-ip.biz/pub/minete​st/Pripyat/textures-131201.tar.bz2
11:16 hoodedice Nope. Not loading
11:16 reactor Oh. wait a sec.
11:16 reactor Use port 65421.
11:17 john_minetest Can somebody please try to connect to minetest.org : 30015?
11:17 john_minetest !up minetest.org 30015
11:17 MinetestBot minetest.org:30015 is up (340ms)
11:17 john_minetest Media loading takes forever for me and then it returns some error.
11:18 hoodedice :65421 at the end of the URL?
11:19 reactor Sure.
11:19 reactor I forgot to write it.
11:19 reactor Hurry up: I've got to take the OS down for a while.
11:19 hoodedice Won't connect
11:20 hoodedice connection reset
11:20 reactor put :65421 right after the ".biz"
11:20 hoodedice w/e Later
11:21 hoodedice I did it. Firefox, Windows xp
11:21 hoodedice Oh, got it now
11:23 kaeza mornings
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11:32 MrRip Hey folks. I try to get source code for server (or .rpm for Centos 6.3)
11:32 john_minetest So... can anybody try to connect to minetest.org:30015, please?
11:32 MrRip i will in a bit
11:33 john_minetest Seems I can't connect (stuck in "loading media" ) and I am not sure if it is only me or everybody.
11:33 MrRip error : different verssion
11:34 MrRip 0 47 here
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11:36 Megaf I'm bacl
11:37 Megaf reactor, Intel does good 3D indeed
11:37 reactor MK.
11:37 Megaf but no high end
11:38 reactor I'm not playing CRYSIS on my machines.
11:38 john_minetest MrRip: 0.4.8 is the newest one
11:38 reactor Not using graphics cards for calculations, yet.
11:39 reactor Is there a way to make CUDA compiler work with FBSD?
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11:39 john_minetest On linux it works. So might work on BSD, too
11:39 MrRip nah 0.4.8 have trouble on mai x64 box
11:40 MrRip where you got server version i didnt see on website
11:41 john_minetest server version is included in the client normally.
11:41 john_minetest so you can start a server from the client.
11:44 MrRip i need pure mintestserver to ron on dedicated server not X
11:44 john_minetest Try to compile it yourself.
11:44 MrRip no src ....
11:44 john_minetest Self-compiled is always WITH server.
11:44 MrRip i know i use gentoo
11:45 MrRip im not afraid to compile but dont ghet source code
11:45 john_minetest git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest
11:45 MrRip in gentoo repo is old version
11:45 MrRip hmm
11:45 MrRip let me see :D
11:46 reactor MrRip: with your skills, you should probably do better with FBSD.
11:46 reactor Gentoo is not worth it.
11:46 reactor Linux is a mess.
11:46 john_minetest reactor: He should use MacOS.
11:46 john_minetest MacOS X is beautiful and a real BSD.
11:47 reactor I'm not familiar with Mac OS.
11:47 reactor Can't really tell.
11:47 reactor It's a certified UNIX, but it breaks some conventions.
11:47 john_minetest Actually people are installing linux on their macs because MacOS X sucks
11:47 reactor They probably had to bribe to committee.
11:47 MrRip i have i3 Mac
11:47 reactor s/to/the/
11:48 MrRip but my wife is owner :))
11:48 john_minetest I have got a core duo windows and a i7, 4th gen linux.
11:48 reactor Windows.
11:48 reactor I rest my case.
11:48 john_minetest The core duo windows one is always running because I need skype.
11:49 MrRip i love my dell i5 inspirion 3521 2 grafic cards 6 giga ram 1T hdd is lovley full of gentoo :)
11:49 john_minetest And I don't want to spoil my good computer.
11:49 MrRip and yes i play wine games Like RIFT :D
11:49 reactor ...is there Skype for UNIX?
11:49 MrRip yes
11:49 Megaf <john_minetest> Actually people are installing linux on their macs because MacOS X sucks
11:49 MrRip y use skype
11:49 john_minetest reactor: closed source.
11:49 reactor I don't mind closed source.
11:49 Megaf john_minetest, indeed, I ran Debian 7.2 on my Macbook pro
11:50 Megaf run
11:50 MrRip emerge -pav skype :)
11:50 john_minetest dell xps + i7 with nice graphics, 12G ram and 1T hdd.
11:50 reactor ...as far as it doesn' spy on the rest of the system.
11:50 john_minetest ArchLinux
11:50 MrRip gentoo :)
11:50 reactor Linux is not worth using anymore.
11:50 john_minetest reactor: AppArmor is broken for arch atm.
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11:50 reactor I think I'll be fine running it jailed.
11:50 john_minetest Linux MUST be good, else everybody would use BSDs.
11:50 Megaf john_minetest, I paid for Lion, for Moutain Lion, Maveriks came for free, I feel like all is the same shit
11:51 Megaf I'm much happier with Debian
11:51 Megaf Snow Leopard was cool too
11:51 Megaf but kinda outdated
11:51 john_minetest MacOS is only like 26€ but you can only run it on macs. license says that.
11:52 john_minetest (Partly invalid in germany)
11:52 specing Guys
11:53 john_minetest specing
11:53 specing http://cloud.github.com/downloads/​Bad-Command/teleporter/recipe2.png
11:53 specing what is the centre element?
11:53 john_minetest mese
11:53 specing mese crystal would work?
11:53 john_minetest idk
11:54 specing k, thanks
11:54 john_minetest better get a newer mod
11:54 specing I'll see
11:54 john_minetest travelnet is fine
11:54 john_minetest If mese crystal doesn't work, try mese block.
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11:59 reactor Hmm.
11:59 reactor OldCoder: !
11:59 john_minetest He is sleeping
12:00 reactor :(
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12:00 john_minetest Timezones and stuff
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12:06 reactor :(
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12:18 MrRip muhahaha
12:18 MrRip Scanning dependencies of target lua [  1%] Building C object src/lua/build/CMakeFiles/lua.dir/lapi.o [  2%] Building C object src/lua/build/CMakeFiles/lua.dir/lauxlib.o
12:18 MrRip ...
12:18 MrRip im on the good way :)
12:19 MrRip ty john_minetest
12:20 reactor Dr. Evil?
12:21 MrRip pduh
12:21 MrRip [ 23%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/minetestserver.di​r/script/common/c_content.cpp.o In file included from /home/minetest/minetest/src/s​cript/common/c_content.h:40,                  from /home/minetest/minetest/src/sc​ript/common/c_content.cpp:19: /home/minetest/minetest/src/util/string.h:166: error: reference to ‘s64’ is ambiguous
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12:25 reactor rsiska: where's lsiska?
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12:30 MrRip mintetest-dev is mute how can i comunicate there?
12:32 sfan5 hi everyone
12:32 kaeza hey sfan5
12:33 kaeza MrRip, get a real IRC client (e.g. hexchat)
12:33 MrRip i have XChat
12:33 MrRip ok i will join there
12:34 kaeza xchat works too
12:34 kaeza :<
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12:37 reactor GUI is the last thing IRC would ever need.
12:37 MrRip well i have a real chat client now :)
12:44 MrRip kaeza: How can i comunicate in minetest-dev ?
12:47 kaeza MrRip, you already did :^P
12:49 kaeza MrRip, just be patient; it can take a bit until someone responds
12:49 MrRip i know :d
12:49 MrRip thank you i have all my days :)
12:49 MrRip to make this :)
12:50 kaeza you can leave your client open for the day, or if that's inconvenient you can chek up the chat logs later
12:50 kaeza +c
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13:16 sfan5 I'm 3 metres away from the WiFi router and connection is unstable because of winds outside... hm
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13:24 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
13:25 reactor EHLO
13:27 PilzAdam eh lol
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13:46 john_minetest Also windy here but no problem with wifi
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13:55 reactor ?
13:55 reactor How should the wind disrupt radio reception?
13:58 OldCoder reactor, do not be :( Hello how are you
13:58 reactor Ehlo.
13:58 reactor I'm fine.
13:59 reactor I'm gonna model a small building this evening, probably.
13:59 reactor Can you upload the mode you made for my textures, so that I can use it here, too?
14:21 OldCoder reactor, What would you like?
14:21 OldCoder mode I made?
14:21 OldCoder I can explain what I did
14:21 OldCoder Hmm
14:21 OldCoder Wait
14:21 OldCoder I will make a ZIP for you in a few minutes
14:22 reactor I don't know if I can unpack zips here.
14:23 OldCoder Hm? What is OS>
14:23 OldCoder BSD?
14:23 OldCoder A tarball, then
14:23 OldCoder But should have unzip
14:24 reactor BSD.
14:24 reactor I prefer .tar.bz2 or .tar.xz
14:24 reactor .gz will do.
14:25 reactor Oh right. I do have unzip.
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14:37 reactor OldCoder: put the file in my /incoming?
14:37 Megaf reactor, have you tested debian kfreebsd yet?
14:37 reactor I will not use debian unless I'm forced to.
14:37 Megaf its light and fast, and its bsd
14:38 reactor It's BSD with Linux userland. Keep it away from me.
14:38 Megaf is the kernel that matters
14:38 reactor No.
14:38 Megaf I tested years ago NexentaOS, it was OpenSolaris with Ubuntu userland
14:38 reactor The kernel is just one of the reasons I'm here.
14:38 Megaf it was cool too
14:39 reactor I really like the BSD userland. It's solid.
14:39 Megaf ok then
14:39 Megaf I rather use BSD user land too, but I prefer the Linux kernel
14:39 reactor Idk, I never liked Linux kernel.
14:39 Megaf more hardware friendly
14:39 reactor How come you like Linux userland so much?
14:39 reactor Oh.
14:39 reactor In particular, the way it handles USB is annoying.
14:40 reactor It would reconnect USB devices out of the blue.
14:40 Megaf more like a specific hardware problem
14:40 Megaf on my netbook / is on a usb flash drive
14:41 reactor I hearf FBSD boots just fine from flash.
14:42 OldCoder reactor, k
14:42 OldCoder reactor, link in PM with PW
14:43 OldCoder reactor, I think you are basically asking for the worldmods folder. Is this correct?
14:43 reactor ?
14:43 reactor Yes.
14:43 reactor oh
14:43 reactor a sec
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14:49 hoodedice sfan5
14:55 sfan5 hm?
14:56 hoodedice New build: Problem
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15:11 hoodedice ?
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15:32 hoodedice Sup BlockMen
15:32 hoodedice sfan5: Thanks a lot. Testing your new build now
15:33 BlockMen hi hoodedice, nm
15:33 BlockMen how bout you
15:33 hoodedice Started my first MT project - a Texture pack =)
15:33 hoodedice (Actually a fork)
15:37 hoodedice sfan5: No can do. Newer build still has the same problem. I'm filing a bug on the GitHub page
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16:06 George is anyone thinking of making a mod like a garage door mod
16:07 George do you guys know that the megaf server is down
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16:10 Jordach i understand why my os logs out and crashes
16:10 Jordach the startup terminal fails to close
16:12 Calinou hi
16:12 Calinou Jordach, for a short instant, as of ubuntu 13.10 I can see "login for calinou:" a second or two before the login screen appears :P
16:12 Jordach Calinou, pressing prnt scrn shows it
16:12 Calinou I don't press anything
16:12 Jordach (the terminal attempts to overwrite x)
16:13 Jordach i seem to get these "black bars"
16:13 hoodedice *Ubuntu*
16:13 hoodedice Use Xubuntu, like a boss.
16:14 hoodedice Jordach, test this: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=120808#p120808
16:14 Jordach hoodedice, using linux now
16:14 hoodedice Ow
16:14 ShadowNinja X spawns before getty on my system. (And is therefore on TTY1)
16:14 Jordach well, xubuntu lts anyways
16:14 hoodedice Nah, Xubuntu alternate STSs
16:15 hoodedice 13.04 was better than LTS
16:15 hoodedice 13.10 was crap
16:15 hoodedice So was 12.10
16:16 reactor ?
16:16 kaeza I don't understand all this bitching about "was crap"
16:16 reactor Ubuntu :(
16:16 kaeza if you don't like something, update/change it
16:16 hoodedice Indeed. So I used the word "was"
16:17 hoodedice And so my USB drive (Thank you john_minetest) now has 13.04 in it
16:17 hoodedice Anyway, sup with 0.4.9 being 45% complete?
16:17 kaeza eh lol
16:18 kaeza [citation needed]
16:18 hoodedice citation:https://github.com/minetest​/minetest/issues/milestones
16:18 kaeza "No due date" nuff said
16:19 hoodedice But. Teh bar?
16:19 kaeza plus 0.4.8 took what? more than half a year?
16:20 Calinou <26hoodedice> 13.10 was crap
16:20 Calinou 13.10 is great
16:20 Calinou 13.04 will soon be EOL, like 12.10
16:21 hoodedice *Windows*
16:21 hoodedice I DON'T NEED YOUR DRIVERS PROMPT DAMMIT!
16:21 Calinou windows XP will too :phoronix rolleyes:
16:21 hoodedice HP works out of the box on Xubuntu
16:21 hoodedice And they say we don't have hardware support
16:22 hoodedice Xp was good ;/
16:22 hoodedice Thou wilt be missed friend
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16:23 Jordach hello VanessaE
16:23 Jordach hoodedice, suck it, i have WORKING SHADERS
16:23 hoodedice Yo VanessaE
16:24 hoodedice MY SHADERS WORK IN XUBUNTU TOO!
16:24 Jordach :O
16:24 hoodedice (At least, some of em)
16:24 hoodedice XO
16:24 Jordach hoodedice, all of 'em work for me
16:24 Jordach i just don't use fancy leaves
16:24 hoodedice I didn't test em yet. No Ubuntu shaders build atm
16:24 hoodedice Jelly tress are AWESOME
16:25 Jordach (fun fact: shaders with fancy leaves off gives same performance without the shaders being enabled)
16:25 hoodedice *trees
16:25 harrison http://www.scienceworldreport.com/articl​es/11396/20131205/study-links-poor-sleep​-to-mood-disturbance-in-obese-people.htm
16:25 hoodedice Jordach, that was for you XD
16:25 kaeza you need a study for that? O_o
16:25 Jordach hoodedice, just compile it yourself
16:26 hoodedice I'm lazy dammit
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16:26 hoodedice kaeza: they have a study for almost anything nowadays
16:26 Jordach 7mins 30seconds is enough time
16:26 Jordach make -j3 on a pentium 4 will do that :D
16:27 hoodedice But all that sudo apt-get install
16:27 hoodedice *Yawn*
16:27 Jordach once it's done, it's done
16:27 hoodedice I even get bored downloaded sfan5's builds
16:27 john_minetest 8 hours of sleep on normal days, 4 hours on the day before homework is due :D
16:27 * Jordach just sleeps no matter what
16:27 hoodedice Sup john_minetest
16:28 reactor Meh.
16:28 Jordach sfan5, it windy over at yours?
16:28 sfan5 yes
16:28 kaeza hoodedice, the good thing about cloning the repo and compiling yourself is it's easier to do updates
16:28 reactor Alternative costs of sleep are too big.
16:28 Calinou <hoodedice> Xp was good ;/
16:28 Calinou it never was, it was always insecure and ugly :P
16:28 hoodedice I liked XP
16:28 hoodedice I like 8
16:28 Calinou Jordach, I have working waving leaves/plants/water in freeminer :D
16:28 hoodedice I'm crazy
16:28 Jordach dun dun durr
16:28 Calinou 8 _is_ better than 7
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16:29 hoodedice *High Five*
16:29 Jordach is being the stressed word
16:29 Jordach "is"*
16:29 Calinou *bro hoof*
16:29 * hoodedice high fives Calinou
16:29 Jordach btw, i have 3 MK3 Mining drills on vanessa's survival
16:29 john_minetest hoodedice: I just went to the mall and I am back now.
16:30 Calinou wb john_minetest
16:30 Jordach john_minetest, VE-Survival ;)
16:30 * Calinou buys a linux kernel for john_minetest
16:30 Jordach ...you pay for your kernels
16:30 kaeza >buys
16:30 * Jordach pets Calinou
16:30 Jordach john_minetest, is it windy for you?
16:31 john_minetest Jordach: I have got oveer 900 MK3 Mining drills on vanessa's creative ;)
16:31 hoodedice *9000
16:31 Jordach because the wind won't topple me :D
16:31 john_minetest I got a bit of wind here.
16:31 john_minetest But not that much
16:31 Jordach it's worse here - a wind turbine was FLEXING AGAINST the wind
16:31 Jordach that won't be there by the morning
16:32 kaeza it's 30C here
16:32 kaeza :3
16:32 Jordach well fuck you and your warmth
16:32 * Jordach could do with that
16:33 hoodedice 15C in th morning
16:33 hoodedice =/
16:34 john_minetest jungle temperatures are so cool.
16:35 hoodedice brb
16:36 Calinou 5°C here
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16:37 john_minetest In the town I lived in when I was in elementary school, a storm once knocked over a huge crane.
16:38 john_minetest Landed in some garden. :D
16:39 Enke awesome.
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16:39 Calinou hi Enke
16:39 Jordach yay
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16:39 hoodedice Yo Enke
16:39 Jordach happy wheels is actually working
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16:42 john_minetest happy wheels is awesome.
16:43 hoodedice I just googled it.
16:43 hoodedice I would be better off dead.
16:46 Enke hi guys
16:46 reactor ?
16:47 harrison if you are thinking about harming yourself and/or others, please don't
16:47 Enke I'm a little busy playing RCT3, so I'll be on and off.
16:47 hoodedice RCT3?
16:47 * hoodedice High Fives Enke
16:49 hoodedice Installed new Printer drivers.
16:49 hoodedice Out of Black ink
16:49 reactor Lol. Happy Wheels.
16:49 hoodedice *Awesomenes*
16:49 john_minetest Printers... CUPS is such a crap.
16:49 hoodedice CUPS is AWESOME!
16:50 hoodedice I don't know why people hate on it, but it was pretty kinky for me
16:50 john_minetest It doesn't support my printer. And it is apple.
16:50 reactor CUPS is shit.
16:50 hoodedice apple printer?
16:50 reactor Printers that don't work with LPD should die.
16:51 john_minetest hoodedice: CUPS was made by apple inc. And my printer is HP.
16:51 reactor PostScript is the language all printers should be able to use.
16:51 hoodedice Well, mine is HP too
16:51 reactor Mine is.
16:51 reactor And it's crap, and does not support PostScript.
16:51 hoodedice But CUPS is by Apple? Bummer.
16:51 reactor Instead, it uses some weird protocol no one uses.
16:52 hoodedice But my F2200 printed on Xubuntu better than on Windows
16:52 john_minetest That's because windows is crap.
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16:52 reactor Windows is unsupported.
16:53 reactor For its technical support is shit.
16:54 Calinou it is supported in here
16:54 Calinou john_minetest, don't hate stuff just because apple made it, it still is free software
16:55 reactor CUPS is crap not for being by Apple.
16:55 reactor It's crap fundamentally.
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16:57 George come to megaf till it ends server and get a free flat
16:57 hoodedice Well, cups just works
16:57 reactor It doesn't.
16:57 hoodedice So, for me, it's nice
16:57 reactor It just fails.
16:57 reactor Rather.
16:57 hoodedice lol man
16:57 hoodedice Later people
16:57 reactor When it malfunctions, it's terrible.
16:57 reactor When it works, it works fine. But when it breaks, it's terrible to fix.
16:58 Calinou 2 girls 1 CUPS
16:58 * Calinou gallops away
16:58 reactor Haha.
16:59 reactor That's right, Calinou.
16:59 reactor It's poop.
17:03 Jordach Calinou, 2 guys 1 CPU
17:05 Calinou that's how hyperthreading should have been called
17:05 Jordach HA
17:08 john_minetest Calinou: I primarily hate it because it doesn't work with my printer.
17:09 john_minetest It forces me to use windows.
17:10 Calinou it's a printer problem then
17:11 reactor If you can't use the printer with LPD, it's a shit printer.
17:11 reactor Destroy it.
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17:24 john_minetest reactor: It seems that CUPS doesn't find it when it is connected over LAN.
17:24 john_minetest And since I haven't got an USB cable...
17:25 reactor It seems you need to set up LPD.
17:25 reactor And stop trying to fix that broken piece of shit.
17:25 john_minetest "piece of shit"? CUPS or the printer?
17:27 john_minetest :( Still banned on #minecraft since I have got the word "minetest" in my nick registration/cloak.
17:29 reactor Both
17:29 reactor If your printer works with PostScript, it's not shit.
17:29 reactor Otherwise, it is.
17:29 reactor CUPS is shit because it is shit.
17:30 reactor Rather, because it's based on the wrong idea of user friendliness.
17:30 reactor It's not user-friendly at all.
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17:30 reactor It attempts to be, but it only makes everything worse.
17:33 john_minetest My printer is an over 400€ laser b/w printer.
17:34 john_minetest So it should be able to do postscript
17:34 reactor Good.
17:34 reactor Then it's not shit.
17:34 reactor But CUPS still is.
17:34 reactor LPD will work with it.
17:42 PilzAdam it seems like there are a lot of world corruption problems since the leveldb merge
17:44 reactor So what, make snapshots of your worlds.
17:45 reactor ...it would be nice to see a feature that allowed making map snapshots on the fly.
17:45 Ritchie reactor: why cups is shit?
17:46 reactor I have explained above.
17:46 reactor Do not be lazy.
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18:01 Calinou <john_minetest> My printer is an over 400€ laser b/w printer.
18:01 Calinou <john_minetest> So it should be able to do postscript
18:01 Calinou apple hardware can cost over 2000 euros, and it can't run linux properly sometimes
18:03 reactor Heh.
18:03 FreeFull I think even really shitty printers do postscript though
18:03 reactor FreeFull: not all.
18:03 reactor Mine doesn't.
18:03 reactor I ditched attempts to make it work long ago.
18:04 john_minetest Calinou: Apple is hipster hardware. The HP I got is an office printer with extreme speed. It is a huge thing.
18:05 Jordach +1
18:06 reactor Apple is hipster hardware, Linux is a hipster OS.
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18:06 rubenwardy Hi all
18:08 Enke hi
18:08 PilzAdam http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/p​ost/63903759786/shall-we-buy-macboo​ks-to-look-cool-but-install-ubuntu
18:09 FreeFull I don't think you'll find any hipsters using Slackware
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18:10 Enke funny.
18:10 cisoun > buy macbooks
18:10 cisoun >look cool
18:10 cisoun pick one
18:11 FreeFull Can I pick neither
18:11 Calinou pick nether!
18:13 john_minetest reactor: Linux is a hippie OS.
18:13 john_minetest Hipsters are too dumb to use linux.
18:14 Calinou isn't hipster = slightly hippie?
18:14 john_minetest They actually have to *learn* something new to use it instead of using windows with BSD kernel.
18:14 john_minetest hipster are people who want to be hip to impress and to be cool and stuff. Hippies are doing it because it is important.
18:14 PilzAdam Calinou, hippie is too mainstream
18:15 john_minetest Yeah.
18:16 john_minetest actually hipsters are most mainstream since they cling to stuff that is regarded as "hip" by large parties of the society. hippies just do what they want - not that people say "Woah, so stylish" but because it is the right thing to do.
18:19 * Jordach has mined to -2.5KM
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18:23 specing john_minetest: -2.5 KM/
18:24 specing you mean 2500 blocks down?
18:24 Jordach yup
18:24 specing I've seen people at -30000
18:24 specing on clip public server
18:24 Jordach is it creative?
18:24 specing no
18:24 Jordach specing, i've dug this within 24 hours
18:25 specing they got there in a flash
18:25 specing with a teleporter
18:25 Jordach that's not legit
18:25 specing it is legit
18:25 Jordach mine is a literal pit you can fall down
18:25 Jordach interestingly, i can fall down it at 0.2KM/S
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18:25 john_minetest I'll join VES
18:26 Jordach (if you've preloaded the chunks, falling is smooth as butter)
18:26 specing Jordach: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2149
18:28 john_minetest Lol, that mod is over a year old
18:28 Jordach wool is TWO YEARS OLD
18:28 Jordach my original wool mod is ancient
18:28 john_minetest Jordach: Are you on VE-S?
18:28 Jordach (it still works if you add groups)
18:28 Jordach john_minetest, yes
18:28 Jordach john_minetest, you've timed out afaik
18:28 specing john_minetest: so what? If it gets you down there...
18:29 Jordach specing, try and do it legit
18:29 Jordach then we can talk about depth
18:29 john_minetest Okay. Wool is quite static. It is there and is an object. Teleporters change a lot because they use the API and stuff gets outdated there.
18:29 Jordach specing, at least you're not this guy: [12-04 15:04] <VanessaE> position = (-2.14748e+06,-1.63842e+06,-4712)
18:31 specing Jordach: for legit (10x10 block pit with stairs around), Im at -50
18:31 specing for legit digging down, I'm at -180
18:31 Jordach i'm using legit tools i crafted myself
18:31 specing me too
18:31 specing stone and silver pickaxes
18:31 Jordach (protip - technic has useful shit you really should get, tool repair, mining drills)
18:32 john_minetest Digging takes 1 second per block. At least.
18:32 Calinou specing> I've seen people at -30000
18:32 Calinou there are real hipsters.
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18:33 john_minetest "We are so alternative. We live at -30000 and we use second hand skins and minetest 0.4.7 because it is retro."
18:33 * Jordach ponders the kick all command
18:33 rubenwardy Lol, the UK is the only country without an independance day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_day
18:34 Jordach yay
18:34 john_minetest !up digitalaudioconcepts.com 30001
18:34 MinetestBot digitalaudioconcepts.com:30001 is up (470ms)
18:36 FreeFull The UK never got to be independent from anything
18:36 john_minetest rubenwardy: Germany also doesn't have an independance day.
18:36 FreeFull rubenwardy: Germany doesn't have one either
18:36 FreeFull Woops
18:36 rubenwardy On the map, it does
18:36 FreeFull john beat me
18:37 FreeFull Germany is under "other national day"
18:37 john_minetest rubenwardy,  Bright green have no independance day but some other celebration related to the nation.
18:37 rubenwardy oh
18:37 john_minetest FreeFull: This time you were faster
18:37 Calinou it's not like independence days are needed too much
18:38 john_minetest rubenwardy: And the danish/danoise/danlanders/denmarker haven't got a celebration day, either.
18:38 john_minetest *dane/danish
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18:45 john_minetest Lol, that guy looks dangerous: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/​commons/3/3e/2011_Joachim_Gauck-2.jpg
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18:52 john_minetest Hmmm
18:52 john_minetest Loading server content in minetest should be faster.
18:53 john_minetest At least there should be show what actually happens or if I just timed out
18:53 john_minetest The "media" bar doesn't move at all when there are large amounts of media
18:53 john_minetest *shown
18:54 Exio4 improve the code yourself
18:55 * Jordach suggests happy wheels
18:57 specing Is anyone else getting screen flashing when loading?
18:57 Calinou <john_minetest> The "media" bar doesn't move at all when there are large amounts of media
18:57 Calinou it's because of poor scale, node/item definitions take up half of the bar...
18:58 Calinou they should take 5% each of the bar instead
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18:59 sapier I plan to create a dynamic spawning mechanism for minetest, prototype is to be implemented in lua https://gist.github.com/sapier/7811148 this is my current API design does anyone have suggestions?
19:00 Calinou looks good
19:03 john_minetest Or defs should be seperated from media
19:04 sapier can you give an example john?
19:06 Calinou "wiping" the loading bar after loading definitions would be confusing
19:07 Calinou them making up 10% of the bar makes more sense, also the bar should be made more wide
19:07 rubenwardy Next: lua loading bars!
19:07 Calinou and percentage reporting could be more accurate (eg: 40.2% instead of 40%)
19:08 john_minetest I don't care about THAT exact values.
19:08 john_minetest I only don't want to wait for hours for a half-full loading bar
19:09 Calinou it'd be more accurate for long downloads, and it doesn't cost anything to do
19:09 Calinou it looks smoother when downloading
19:12 rubenwardy What kind of bench marks will it have, sapier?
19:12 sapier no noticable lag to be added
19:12 rubenwardy Cool
19:13 sapier that's the goal and I have reason to assume this can be done
19:14 sapier but it's not implemented yet
19:15 john_minetest Lol, once there weren't even loading bars. Heavily modded servers were a bit of a problem. now we have loading bars and server owners think: "Oh, nice, now we can put up more mods without anyone complaining."
19:16 john_minetest And in the end people will have to get an own partition for minetest cache
19:16 Calinou there was a percentage, still
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19:26 rubenwardy Nodebox or Node box?
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19:36 john_minetest No deb ox.
19:36 john_minetest This means no aptitudes and no oxes.
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19:44 specing john_minetest: what?
19:45 specing john_minetest: ~/.minetest/ is onl 56 MB here
19:46 john_minetest 21.7 M for media
19:47 john_minetest But when the load bar is fixed and long server owners might think: "Oh, a visible change over time. Moar mods!"
19:48 specing What is loading so much time?
19:48 specing Is the client downloading all the mod .lua files and JITing them?
19:48 specing or is the client downloading world state?
19:50 specing because if it is the second then mods can't ruin it much
19:57 john_minetest the mod downloads all the pictures (and sometimes sounds) from the server.
19:57 john_minetest *the client downloads all...
19:57 specing thats bad
19:57 specing it should be cached
20:02 Sokomine it is. but not the first time you join a server
20:02 specing Sokomine: Ima slap you for this
20:02 Sokomine it just takes so long on the first connection. due to the caching, it gets much faster later
20:02 * sfan5 puts a kitten on specing's head
20:03 specing oh wait, misunderstood
20:03 specing well it still takes a while
20:03 * Sokomine grabs the kitten and runs away with it
20:03 specing and the screen flashes a lot
20:03 specing not sure if my tiling WM is to blame or the broken nvidia
20:03 specing or minetest
20:04 Sokomine it does take a long time (1 minute/mb independent of connection time can happen). some servers provide additional download of media from another server. that happens automaticly when it's offered
20:04 Sokomine screen flashing sounds odd
20:04 iqualfragile can somebody explain rollback to me
20:05 Sokomine iqualfragile: which version? old or new one? technical or using it to roll back an actual griefer?
20:05 iqualfragile new, everything
20:06 john_minetest i got 1.5 MB/s download normally.
20:07 Sokomine hm, for details you ought to ask who coded it (iirc zat?). the interface for the user is the same as before - except that it's much much faster now (=can actually be used without doing a dos attack on the server) and lists more than the last action on that node
20:09 Sokomine are you familiar with the old rollback?
20:12 zat ShadowNinja added the last bit though.
20:12 zat Was the new rollback included then?
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20:15 Sokomine yes, it's now included. if only we could reach redcrab and get him to install a newer version!
20:15 * EvergreenTree throws a PilzAdam at sfan5
20:15 PilzAdam one does not simply throw a PilzAdam
20:16 * sfan5 puts Derpy Hooves on EvergreenTree's head
20:16 * specing throws another PilzAdam
20:16 * EvergreenTree slaps derpy hooves
20:16 * sfan5 slaps EvergreenTree
20:16 * EvergreenTree throws derpy hooves at sfan5
20:16 * sfan5 throws a kitten at EvergreenTree
20:17 * EvergreenTree gives the kitten an apple and throws it at sfan5
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20:17 * sfan5 catches the kitten and puts it on Calinou's head
20:17 EvergreenTree Hi Calinou
20:18 * EvergreenTree runs over to Calinou and places derpy hooves on his head
20:18 Calinou hi
20:18 * sfan5 places a sapling on EvergreenTree's head
20:18 Calinou *derpy hooves gets impaled by my horn*
20:18 * Calinou gallops away
20:19 * sfan5 catches Calinou with a reverse gravity gun and puts him into the kitchen
20:19 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/glj36aO
20:22 * sfan5 places two 猫 on john_minetest's head
20:24 * EvergreenTree slaps Jordach
20:24 * Sokomine puts a bucket of water on EvergreenTrees sapling
20:25 EvergreenTree Cool!  Now I'm a double tree
20:25 EvergreenTree Twice the power!   >:D
20:27 sfan5 !op
20:27 Sokomine :-) don't let people wielding an axe get close :)
20:27 Topic for #minetest is now 0.4.8 is released! | Website: http://minetest.net | Rules: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | Core Devs: #minetest-dev | Servers: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | IRC stats: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html | NekoGloopは猫です。EvergreenTreeは木です。
20:27 sfan5 !deop
20:28 Calinou people with bad UTF-8-in-topic support will be happy
20:28 Calinou :/
20:28 sfan5 yep the will
20:29 iqualfragile the average age in this channel seems to have dropped to 12
20:30 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/1iraLeD
20:30 john_minetest d-d-d- DROP the age!
20:31 sfan5 s/age/bass/
20:33 Megaf ok, the new rollback just doesnt work
20:33 Megaf it says, nothing to do
20:34 EvergreenTree Nice, I am now the official resident tree on #minetest
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20:37 Megaf yep, rollback does not work at all
20:37 Megaf hm
20:37 Megaf it works
20:37 Megaf But I found a bug
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20:44 Jordach meow
20:44 Jordach EvergreenTree, ^
20:44 EvergreenTree rowr
20:45 Jordach you know exactly what i mean
20:47 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/XkaIh6Q
20:48 iqualfragile john_minetest: yeah, we all know how to browse imgur
20:49 john_minetest iqualfragile: But I am only putting up the best pics
20:49 john_minetest and now a pic that you won't find by simply browsing: http://i.imgur.com/8JBECyw.jpg
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21:15 Calinou http://i.imgur.com/vodKA.jpg
21:15 Calinou john_minetest, ^
21:16 PilzAdam vodka?
21:17 PilzAdam is that intentional?
21:18 Calinou no
21:18 Calinou names are always random
21:19 john_minetest best name ever
21:22 Miner_48er anyone know where to get the playergroups mod?
21:23 EvergreenTree Hey Miner_48er, did you know 43.5% of the time you are asking a question?
21:24 Miner_48er yes
21:26 EvergreenTree evergreen.shutdown('bye')
21:36 PilzAdam bye
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21:39 sapier Miner_48er are you talking about factions?
21:39 john_minetest Miner_48er: faction mod is in the modstore
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21:44 kaeza [18:37:58] <Megaf> But I found a bug
21:44 kaeza shouting "BUG!" is generally considered rude without proper evidence
21:45 kaeza ah well, looks like he's not here anyway
21:46 Calinou a bug's life
21:46 iqualfragile good news: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meld​ung/NSA-sammelt-taeglich-Milliarden​-Handy-Standortdaten-2060541.html
21:46 sfan5 >good
21:46 sfan5 lol
21:51 john_minetest Wow, my mobile phone track will look so interesting.
21:51 john_minetest A dot.
21:51 john_minetest wowzerz!
21:52 john_minetest My mobile phone is actually my normal phone. There is no difference.
21:53 kaeza very phone, so technology
22:04 fixed hi all... im new to minetest. do i need to add a mod to get monsters?
22:05 kaeza fixed, yes
22:05 fixed ah no wonder its so quiet here ;)
22:06 kaeza fixed, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=629 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3063
22:06 kaeza the former is more lightweight, but the monsters are a bit dumb
22:06 kaeza the latter has more intelligent monsters, but is also more demanding on resources
22:07 kaeza eh the other way around
22:08 fixed i go for lightweight at first :)
22:08 john_minetest the latter is the best choice imo if you don't want to use too many resources. It is nice to have a lot of mobs but CPU usage is valuable :)
22:08 fixed thanks man
22:08 fixed ehh ... kaeza said the first one is light? :)
22:08 fixed getting confused
22:09 kaeza MOBF is heavy; simple mobs is light :P
22:09 kaeza (mixed the links)
22:09 fixed ahh ok
22:13 Calinou in soviet russia, you are heavy, mobf is kaeza, simple light is mobs
22:14 kaeza lol
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22:21 john_minetest in soviet russia: bear cavalery
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22:29 john_minetest In germany: kittens - http://classicfun.ws/wp-content/uploads/bli​tzkrieg-when-you-only-stop-for-kittens.jpg
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22:44 fairiestoy Hey guys. A question ( must have any information if this is available somewhere ): Is it possible to trigger the server into some 'mute' state in order to supress terminal output? Logging is ok, but that terminal output would be nice to be turned off
22:45 pitriss fairiestoy: ./minetest &> /dev/null
22:46 fairiestoy Urgh thanks. To obvious to be seen -___- :P
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22:54 Brian___ Good evening
22:56 ShadowNinja Hello Brian___!
22:56 Brian___ How goes it?
22:57 ShadowNinja Well, you?
22:57 Brian___ Fine thank you.  Just trying to figure out xchat so I can log into the dev channel
22:58 ShadowNinja /join #minetest-dev
22:58 Brian___ Never used irc before
23:03 sapier did anyone try latest mobf prior calling it heavy?
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23:37 danquebec_ Hi. I use Fedora 19. I compiled Minetest 0.4.8 some days ago. When I start playing in a world, it almost immediately crashes. I get a segmentation fault.
23:37 danquebec_ There is the result: http://fpaste.org/59410/13862863/
23:38 danquebec_ And when I run with gdb: http://fpaste.org/59412/28647313/
23:42 danquebec_ (this last link is the backtrace on gdb when it has segfaulted)
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23:50 PandemoniuM wow. new update for cannons mod is VERY nice
23:50 ShadowNinja danquebec_: That gas been fixed since then, re-compile.
23:50 ShadowNinja has*
23:50 danquebec_ Wow really? Lol I’m really out of luck.
23:50 danquebec_ Thank you. Going to try that.
23:52 PandemoniuM just made a .x shape in milkshape. I used the heli.x model from Helicopter mod to make it within the same size
23:52 PandemoniuM but its super small in game, yet you can tell its within a much larger block
23:56 ShadowNinja PandemoniuM: Try setting visual_scale to something higher.

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