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00:30 EvergreenTree o/
00:30 EvergreenTree ^ that's a waving guy if you didn't know
00:30 VanessaE hi
00:30 john_minetest \o
00:31 john_minetest ^ that is a guy waving back if you didn't know
00:32 john_minetest just reminds me of how stupid it would be to use "w/o" instead of "without" on a german keyboard. "w/o" really kills the flow of writing :)
00:33 Enke Hi.
00:35 iqualfragile john_minetest: just use neo
00:35 iqualfragile night
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00:41 topcyde Is there a cartography mod / app besides the minetest mapper?  I got lost for an hour and a half in my world yesterday.
00:41 topcyde minetest mapper didn't work for me. I think i have python issues.
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01:16 john_minetest A rhyme to leave, / you haven't seen, / that it is now / two : seventeen.
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02:00 EvergreenTree Bye guys
02:00 VanessaE bye
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02:05 LandMiner hello!! peeps
02:05 LandMiner darn oldcoder is not here
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02:37 LandMiner oldcoder!!!
02:37 LandMiner you are just in time
02:37 OldCoder Hi
02:37 OldCoder ?
02:37 LandMiner can i pm you?
02:37 OldCoder Yes
02:37 LandMiner ty
02:40 ShadowNinja topcyde: No, but there is a mapper written in C++ that is much faster. A improved version is listed on my github page.
02:41 topcyde shadowninja: this one https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas?
02:42 ShadowNinja topcyde: No, it's named minetest-mapper-cpp or some such.
02:43 topcyde ah.. found it
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03:05 Exio4 an improved version? :P
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03:11 ShadowNinja Exio4: Yes, unknown nodes don't show up as block and a few other things.
03:11 ShadowNinja black*
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03:35 OldCoder Hi
03:35 OldCoder ShadowNinja, VanessaE I did a git clone of
03:35 VanessaE hi
03:35 OldCoder https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git
03:36 OldCoder Hi
03:36 OldCoder then cd into the folder
03:36 OldCoder then
03:36 OldCoder git checkout stable-0.4
03:36 OldCoder then git pull
03:36 OldCoder said up to date
03:36 VanessaE that seems right
03:36 OldCoder why didn't it revert any of the changes from upstream bleeding edge?
03:36 * OldCoder is curious
03:36 VanessaE that I don't know, but 0.4.8 is already out of date due to bugfixes
03:36 OldCoder when I did the git clone
03:37 OldCoder shouldn't it have pulled the latest?
03:37 OldCoder nvm bugfixes curious about how it works
03:37 ShadowNinja OldCoder: The checkout updates your working directory.
03:37 OldCoder But I saw no downloads
03:37 OldCoder Shouldn't it have downloaded more files?
03:37 OldCoder t y for thoughts
03:38 ShadowNinja OldCoder: No, as master contains all of the commits in stable-0.4.
03:38 OldCoder Ah
03:38 OldCoder so git clone
03:38 OldCoder gets stable too?
03:38 OldCoder But are you now recommending
03:38 OldCoder git bleeding edge?
03:39 ShadowNinja OldCoder: Yes, as stable is a subset of master. I would recommend master due to SQLite rollback and a LevelDB fix.
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03:44 RavonTUS Hello, any one know what folder mobf stores it's logs in?  (unbunt)
03:44 pandemonium__ what kind of logs? as in whats data are you looking for
03:46 RavonTUS it crashed when I make sheep, but I can't read the error on the screen.  I was hoping it might have a crash log.
03:49 RavonTUS Error:servererror:luaerror: mobf.lua 505: attempt  < and I can't see the rest of the error.
03:50 RavonTUS Minetest v.4.8, Mobf 2.3.2.  and yes Simple Mob was installed and removed, /clearobjects ran before removing, if that helps.  That's about all I saw in the forum.
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03:55 pandemonium__ hmm no idea
03:55 pandemonium__ im rather new as well, but i havent had any issues yet
03:55 pandemonium__ have you been modding the modf code?
03:56 pandemonium__ or using parts of it in other mods?
03:56 RavonTUS no, just getting started.  Trying to figure it out.
03:57 pandemonium__ id try a fresh install because i havent had any issues with that mod
03:57 pandemonium__ =/
03:57 pandemonium__ im sure one of the regulars would have better idea
03:57 RavonTUS did RunUO back in the day, looking for something else to mess with. :)
03:57 pandemonium__ this is def it
03:57 pandemonium__ i rewrote the villages mod, if youve seen that
03:58 pandemonium__ i wrote code that makes a 4 point fort with palisade walls
03:58 RavonTUS sounds cool.  I'll have to check it out.
03:58 OldCoder ShadowNinja, t y
03:58 pandemonium__ yeah, its based on how the Instabuild code works
03:58 OldCoder I am building MT for CentOS6. Irrlicht seems to be missing for that distro. I suppose I must build it. What release of Irrlicht is recommended?
04:01 RavonTUS cya round, night.
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06:53 hoodedice MT is getting laggy =/
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06:59 hoodedice sfan5: Latest builds freezes on my system
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07:30 topcyde I've downloaded the and vines and ropebox mod and the plants_lib, but can't seem to figure out how to make rope or a ropebox. I've tried several different configurations with assorted plants and leaves and it never does anything.  I'm trying to get my gold laden body out of a very precarious position in the bottom of a volcano, there's starting to get a stack of corpses in there.
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08:19 xiong Has anyone successfully run a Minetest server from a VPS?
08:19 VanessaE I do.
08:19 VanessaE Five of them, from a Linode instance, to be exact.
08:20 xiong I'm sure you do. You, of all people, are probably not serving off a laptop.
08:20 VanessaE heh, nope.
08:20 xiong However, all the docs I'm turning up seem geared to that crowd: the "I wanna run a server off my laptop through my home broadband connection when Mom and Dad aren't looking" crowd.
08:21 xiong I believe I have successfully installed minetest-server 0.4.8 in my VPS.
08:22 xiong I theorize that minetest.conf will need to be substantially different from one in which key mappings are given.
08:22 VanessaE not really.
08:23 xiong Well.
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08:23 xiong ... for some value of "substantially". I'm autistic so I consider anything past a blank line, significant.
08:24 VanessaE here's te config I use on my survival server:
08:24 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6518609/
08:24 VanessaE the other four are substantially similar
08:25 VanessaE differing mostly in the MOTD and master server stuff (lines 17-24)
08:25 xiong Ha, far out.
08:25 VanessaE creative is the only other one that uses the remote_media feature
08:25 xiong I did the stupidest possible thing and started the server with no config file at all. Connected from my own desktop client. Works.
08:25 VanessaE (for that, you need to set up a webserver; I use nginx, per thexyz's suggestion)
08:27 VanessaE lines 27-29 and 32-34 are mod-specific, you can ignore those.  line 16 is a leftover from an old config
08:28 VanessaE at the very very least, you need the name= and server_*= lines, and you should have a static_spawnpoint and motd.
08:28 VanessaE the rest just depends on personal preference, level of risk (e.g the map save interval), etc.
08:29 xiong Um... but I started the server without any of that.
08:29 VanessaE yep I know
08:29 VanessaE without a name= parameter, the server doesn't know who the admin is.
08:30 VanessaE without the server_*= lines, it won't announce to the master server lisr
08:30 VanessaE list*
08:30 VanessaE motd is for other clients, works like an irc motd but shorter.
08:31 VanessaE a static spawnpoint is a must.  without it, people may spawn inside trees, in the water, underground, etc. instead of wherever you want them to, e.g. a specific building
08:31 VanessaE rollback recording is essential to protect against griefing to some degree.  you can use it to undo others' damage.
08:32 xiong Well, the last thing I want to do with a testing server is announce it.
08:32 VanessaE default privs almost always needs to be set, as without it I seem to recall everyone gets shout, interact, and eh I forget the other one.  maybe noclip.  You'll likely want to avoid granting interact by default, but you may on the other hand want to give everyone fast, perhaps fly.
08:32 xiong No, I don't mean to continue from this point. No configuration, no mods, nothing.
08:32 VanessaE ok
08:33 VanessaE well surely you will leave the 'testing' phase and make it public, or at least shared to a few friends.  you still need at least some of that ^^^
08:33 xiong I'm just happy it works at all. That puts me over several bars, including a half-hour lecture from the Debian wonks about how I should never have installed the unstable package the way I did. And they may well be right... but the proof of the pudding is, it works.
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08:35 xiong Well, thanks for the example minetest.conf file. Between that and whatever default the server spits out on quit, if any, I'll have a starting point. I suspect all the configuration is here, not in command line options.
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08:35 VanessaE most of it
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08:36 VanessaE but you'll eventually need to specify at least a world name.
08:36 hoodedice I'm in the top 20!
08:36 hoodedice http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html
08:37 hoodedice And the latest build doesn't run!
08:37 xiong Yes well, as I say, I'm sure there's no going forward from where I am now... without some sort of configuration.
08:37 VanessaE I'm still the biggest chatterbox on the channel :)
08:37 VanessaE well good luck.
08:37 xiong Thanks again.
08:39 hoodedice Indeed. "VanessaE talks to herself a lot. She wrote over 5 lines in a row 125 times!"
08:39 VanessaE heh
08:39 VanessaE I guess the bot doesn't know from writing for the sake of the logs for later review
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08:41 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7890
08:42 VanessaE ......?  how?
08:42 VanessaE of course, noting the lighting...upside-down world?
08:44 hoodedice One more. Total = 6.
08:44 hoodedice =7
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08:47 hoodedice VanessaE: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=120664#p120664
08:49 VanessaE :P
08:49 hoodedice I was originally gonna do something else... Why not do it now?
08:52 hoodedice Ah yes, download links added
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09:04 VanessaE hey cn
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09:12 VanessaE and...there goes a quarter of the channel.
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09:43 Megaf folks, is there a way of using socksv5 proxy?
09:48 JamesTait Morning all! :)
09:48 VanessaE hi
09:48 VanessaE Megaf: no clue
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09:56 JamesTait I thought socks5 was TCP-oriented, minetest is UDP IIRC.
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12:30 john_minetest Hello everypony
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13:13 OldCoder john_minetest, hi
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13:59 kaeza mornings
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15:02 reactor OldCoder: o/
15:06 sfan5 hi everyone
15:08 reactor o/
15:18 Gethiox l
15:18 Gethiox o/
15:22 kaeza o/
15:23 PandemoniuM o/
15:23 jin_xi 😿
15:24 kaeza 😒
15:25 reactor ЪЪЪЪ
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15:26 reactor шШТЙФТ ЗОФЫВ.
15:29 PandemoniuM 1001001001
15:30 PandemoniuM (\/)(;,,;)(\/)
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15:50 reactor шИФИГЫИВТ!
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15:55 john_minetest hi again
15:55 kaeza hey john_minetest
16:00 reactor Hi john_minetest.
16:01 reactor Cured your bronedom yet?
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16:09 hoodedice Yo Jordach
16:09 Jordach brains
16:10 * hoodedice shotguns Jordach
16:10 hoodedice BAM!
16:10 Jordach hoodedice, i'm sleepy
16:10 hoodedice Okay.
16:10 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7890
16:14 kaeza hoodedice, Alt+F4 would have been a better key combination
16:14 hoodedice Indeed.
16:14 hoodedice I was thinking of it, but that would blow it right off XD
16:14 hoodedice Didja test that mod?
16:16 kaeza yes, it's awesome!
16:16 hoodedice XD
16:17 hoodedice I think this should be featured on the screenshot section on the main site
16:17 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=120668#p120668
16:18 Exio4 kaeza: s/it's/i am/
16:18 kaeza Exio4, that needn't be said; everyone knows that!
16:19 Exio4 i know i am awesome :>
16:20 hoodedice http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/thumb/6/60/User_J​ette_awesome.svg/2048px-User_Jette_awesome.svg.png
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16:23 kaeza https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/​100008207/Captura%20de%20pantalla%20​de%202012-12-27%2005%3A43%3A50.png
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16:31 john_minetest reactor: 1. I am no brony. 2. I only say "Hello everypony" on my first join that day after 6:00 am. on the next joins I say "hi again".
16:32 reactor I understand.
16:33 reactor You seem to like to talk about "everypony".
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16:41 reactor VanessaE: o/
16:42 VanessaE hi
16:43 e1z0 yo VanessaE
16:43 am-i-kawaii yo VanessaE i will let you set a custom game mode
16:43 e1z0 sup ?
16:44 * VanessaE kicks the bot solidly in its microprocessor
16:52 john_minetest hi VanessaE
16:55 kaeza oh am-i-kawaii is back
16:57 john_minetest am-i-kawaii: chat deoxyribonucleotide
16:57 am-i-kawaii john_minetest: incorrect usage, ask for help using 'am-i-kawaii: help chat'
16:58 OldCoder back
16:58 OldCoder reactor is gone
16:58 OldCoder good morning
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16:58 nekofire hello
16:59 nekofire I downloaded the zip file for the game and  my comp is saying its invalid or corrupted
16:59 kaeza hi
16:59 john_minetest Hey OldCoder
16:59 OldCoder john_minetest, kaeza o/
17:01 hoodedice nekofire: Where did you get it from?
17:02 kaeza OldCoder, \o
17:03 nekofire the website
17:03 nekofire minetest.net
17:03 hoodedice Hmm, and which OS are you on?
17:03 nekofire xp
17:05 john_minetest nekofire: Did you retry to download? Maybe the download was interrupted or something like that.
17:06 Jordach or unfinished
17:06 hoodedice Or cancelled.
17:11 hoodedice Later peeps
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17:13 hoodedice kaeza: Thy Hath Been Ninja'd
17:13 hoodedice (tm)
17:13 kaeza :P
17:14 * kaeza pokes hoodedice with a ™
17:14 hoodedice Damn symbols.
17:15 nekofire no i finished the DL
17:15 am-i-kawaii no i cannot share some random linux CD/DVD/USB after you get cobble
17:16 kaeza wat
17:16 kaeza nekofire, try downloading again
17:16 kaeza or try another archiver
17:17 nekofire i have downloaded twice
17:17 nekofire im gonna try another opener
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17:25 john_minetest D'oh, I just wanted to give my UltraHelpfulAdvice™ but nekofire left.
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17:35 nekofire great now i start minetest and get this Access violation at 00408D61 write?=0 address=16
17:35 nekofire Access violation at 00408 D61 write?=0 address=16
17:35 nekofire take out the space i had to put one in it was making a smiley
17:35 VanessaE sounds like the build you're using is not fully compatible with your OS or hardware or something?
17:36 nekofire i tried 4.7 whn . 8 wouldnt work
17:36 VanessaE 0.4.7 is outdated.
17:36 VanessaE why didn't 0.4.8 work?
17:40 nekofire 11:29:25: ERROR[main]: WARNING: Font file was not found. Using default font.
17:40 nekofire oops
17:40 nekofire wrong on
17:42 nekofire 11:29:25: ERROR[main]: Failed to load and run script from C:\Documents and Settings\Kristin =’?’=\Desktop\minetest-0.4.8\bin\.​.\builtin\mainmenu.lua:GUIEngine: unable to load builtin menu
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17:45 kaeza nekofire, try moving it to a directory without spaces and other funky chars
17:45 kaeza like C:\minetest-0.4.8 or so
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18:01 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
18:02 Nick____ Hi
18:02 Nick____ Brb. seems my username is taken...
18:14 nekofire i did and no dice
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18:17 Microchip PilzAdam, I wanted to ask you a question.
18:17 nekofire 12:18:00: ERROR[main]: C:\Documents and Settings\Kristin =’?’=\Desktop\minetest\bin\..\​builtin\mainmenu.lua:12:18:00: ERROR[main]: cannot open C:\Documents and Settings\Kristin =’?’=\Desktop\minetest\bin​\..\builtin\mainmenu.lua: Invalid argument
18:17 PilzAdam Microchip, are you going to do that now?
18:18 Microchip Lol. Well first, does LuaJIT compile at runtime?
18:18 Microchip Or during initialization of init.lua
18:18 PilzAdam nekofire, eh, dont run Minetest in paths with special characters
18:18 PilzAdam Microchip, its a just in time compiler
18:18 PilzAdam so it compiles at runtime
18:18 nekofire bleh there are none i just stuck it on my desktop
18:19 PilzAdam "Kristin =’?’=" looks very "special" to me
18:19 Microchip Then, wouldn't the compiler take longer than just interpreting the code?
18:20 PilzAdam Microchip, may I direct you to the wikipedia article about JIT? http://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/Just-in-time_compilation
18:20 Microchip Ah. Thanks xD
18:20 nekofire im not sure why its doing that i just stuck it on my desktop.....ohhh....shit
18:20 nekofire heh
18:20 nekofire kay
18:21 VanessaE Microchip: the short version is that the JIT compiler runs through the code in a few seconds, one time, at server start-up.  After that, until the next start, only the compiled results are run.
18:22 VanessaE what costs a few seconds at startup saves minutes, possibly hours for really complex code, over time.
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18:43 kaeza https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7936448768/hB20ECA1B/
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18:46 * Jordach has 3 MK3 Mining drills on VE-Survival
18:46 thefamilygrog66 bonjour
18:47 VanessaE hi
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18:48 Jordach VanessaE, i am god now :D
18:48 Jordach evergreen only has one drill :D
18:48 Microchip Is this a good idea for a mod? A furnace that burns fuel yet doesn't smelt anything, used for light
18:48 VanessaE heh..  rm /home/minetest/.minetest/worlds​/Survival_World/players/Jordach
18:48 VanessaE >:-)
18:48 Jordach VanessaE, fuck off :P
18:48 Microchip ^ lol
18:49 Jordach also; y u /.minetest/
18:49 kaeza >not RUN_IN_PLACE
18:49 kaeza :<
18:50 VanessaE why use a run-in-place build on VPS server?
18:50 john_minetest thefamilygrog66: hey
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18:50 kaeza VanessaE, because easy management :P
18:50 thefamilygrog66 howdy
18:50 Jordach VanessaE, i preferred it too
18:50 VanessaE kaeza: ssh root@host <insert password>; make; make install ....
18:51 Jordach you run minetest AS ROOT
18:51 VanessaE no
18:51 kaeza plus you can nuke everything with a simple `rm'
18:51 VanessaE I install it as root, duh
18:51 am-i-kawaii today's penalty its hot in summer, not in minetest. how do i put it somewhere in 0.4.x when we don't exactly like dirt_with_grass but with a /giveme if you can also be nice
18:51 kaeza <.<
18:51 Jordach she's fucking retarded
18:51 Jordach veto right now: KICKBAN?
18:51 kaeza -1
18:52 Jordach i thought we had this convo on bots
18:52 Jordach no bots allowed for fuck sakes
18:52 kaeza VanessaE, I have several users on my VPS; one for service-like things like quassel, a random IRC bot, etc, one for minetest, and a "personal" account
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18:52 VanessaE ditto.
18:52 botbotbot I am a bot. Not.
18:52 VanessaE minetest runs as "minetest"
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18:53 VanessaE my webserver I think runs as nobody, with files owned by either me or minetest (depending on what they are)
18:53 Jordach iirc, didn't xyz say himself, no more bots
18:53 VanessaE I only use root for admin stuff as usual.
18:53 kaeza RUN_IN_PLACE keeps things clean, with all minetest-related files in ~minetest
18:54 thefamilygrog66 I wish I was a freakin' robot sometimes.
18:54 kaeza the "services" account has all the stuff related to quassel, the bot, etc under it's home dir too
18:54 VanessaE kaeza: ditto
18:55 kaeza anyway, if it works for you, it works for you :P
18:55 VanessaE my website (and abe's) in my homedir, minetest's stuff in its homedir
18:55 VanessaE and yeah, it does.  so sod off.  or something. ;)
18:56 john_minetest thefamilygrog66: Lol, remember the good old times on globis' server? :D
18:58 thefamilygrog66 Yep, those were the good old days, john_minetest
18:59 john_minetest Since the first server...
19:00 john_minetest Only a moderated server is a good server.
19:00 john_minetest It is so annoying to be on servers without proper moderation.
19:00 john_minetest Those 5-hours-per-day-online-and-moderated servers were always the best.
19:01 john_minetest i should start a new server...
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19:07 thefamilygrog66 hey VanessaE, has the font changed for signs in homedecor?
19:07 VanessaE yes
19:08 VanessaE kaeza improved the code to the point where he and I were able to put in higher-resolution fonts
19:08 thefamilygrog66 thought so - was on a server last night that has it, but wasn't sure if it was tweaked or not
19:08 thefamilygrog66 good job - they look really good now
19:08 VanessaE by default it's 17px now instead of 6px or whatever it was before
19:08 thefamilygrog66 don't tell Jordach, though...
19:09 Jordach GR
19:09 Jordach i heard that
19:09 thefamilygrog66 TOO MANY PIXELS!!!
19:09 thefamilygrog66 bahaha
19:09 Jordach quassel makes this BIG GREY BAR at the top of my screen with the message in it
19:09 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: it goes higher :P
19:10 VanessaE the highest-resolution font supplied with the mod goes to 34px
19:10 thefamilygrog66 nice
19:10 VanessaE or something lik that
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19:10 thefamilygrog66 I suppose I should update all my mods for this brand spanking new version, eh?
19:11 VanessaE 11, 17, 25, and 34px are it, with 17px being the default.
19:11 VanessaE oh yes, most definitely :)
19:11 VanessaE but kaeza will be adding locked signs soon, too :)
19:11 thefamilygrog66 very cool
19:12 twoelk Vanessa, could it be that the links to the maps of your servers in the forum topics point to a folder not existing under that address?
19:12 VanessaE aw crap
19:13 VanessaE I'll fix it
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19:17 jojoa1997 how come when i run minetest windows firewall comes up
19:19 twoelk minetest needs your permission to use some ports as you might want to play on a public server or host one
19:19 Jordach jojoa1997, it just does
19:21 jojoa1997 if my school blocks it is there any other way to host a lan server or something of the sort that others could connect to
19:23 VanessaE twoelk: ok, it's fixed.  the maps will be updated tonight at their regular schedule.
19:24 twoelk fine
19:24 VanessaE (I forgot to re-compile the mapper after moving the VPS over to debian)
19:24 Jordach lel
19:26 Jordach VanessaE, you might be able to compile, write bash, run stuff, but can't remember anything - it's just like you have 640k in your head :D
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19:27 twoelk now I just need to find a working client as "stable" seems outdated for a VanessaE server again :-(
19:27 VanessaE twoelk: 0.4.8 should work fine?
19:27 VanessaE (also, it is *not* fixed.  getting segfaults while the mapper is running)
19:27 Jordach ohai jojoa1997
19:29 jojoa1997 Hi Jordach!
19:30 twoelk don't know wether sqlite allows reading a database while another program has it open.
19:31 Issa2013
19:31 Issa2013 can u upadte the ppa of ubuntu ?
19:31 Issa2013 because ppa is on 0.4.7
19:31 Issa2013 that's bad
19:33 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Only create one alias metatable 000da6b25d 2013-12-04T11:31:55-08:00 http://git.io/4hT85Q
19:35 ShadowNinja Issa2013: The offifial PPA has 0.4.7? Wow, they must have updted it recently, it was on 0.3.1 before.
19:36 ShadowNinja Ubuntu isn't known for prompt updates. ;-)
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19:39 ShadowNinja Issa2013: "apt-add-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable"
19:39 thefamilygrog66 Go with the daily build on ubuntu, yo.
19:42 kaeza https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7921498624/hEE6BF242/
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19:43 Jordach oh dear
19:43 Jordach really, really?
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19:46 emptty Hello there. It seems to me that mods don't work in my minetest packages for debian, but I dunno why
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19:46 emptty When I'm in the Mods tab of the menu, my console is filled with error messages: Could not open file of texture: /home/mquinson/.minetest/textur​es/base/pack/no_screenshot.png
19:47 emptty That file does not exist on my disk
19:47 FreeFull You can probably ignore those
19:47 emptty It should be /usr/share/games/minetest/textur​es/base/pack/no_screenshot.png, which exists
19:48 emptty I guess that this is a (minor?) bug due to the fact that I dont play in place
19:49 emptty And when I try to get online mods, I get the message: 20:48:52: ERROR[main]: MAINMENU ERROR: LuaError: C++ exception
19:53 Jordach damn PA goes far
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19:54 Jordach the Db meter is recieving 80Db total from PulseAudio + Triton Headset Amp
19:55 FreeFull 80dB is pretty loud
19:55 Jordach eg, my Acoustic headphones can take it
19:56 Jordach and 12v of power (thank you USB)
19:56 FreeFull v is voltage
19:56 Jordach Acoustic Solutions also makes stuff under the Acoustic brand, keep an eye out for them, they're much better than the average
19:57 thefamilygrog66 too loud...
19:57 Jordach thefamilygrog66, it still doesn't stop my brother's bass
19:57 Jordach i'm actually thinking of installing oscillators to conteract it
19:57 Jordach counteract*
20:08 iqualfragile guys: fix your www, install request policy
20:08 iqualfragile its worth it
20:09 iqualfragile emptty: you can ignore those screenshot messages
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20:10 emptty iqualfragile: do you know anything about the LuaError: C++ exception ?
20:11 emptty If someone tries to write where the mods are, the error is quite expected: there is no ~/.minetest/mods on my machine, and the /usr/share/....../mods is not writable
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20:37 specing Leoneof: LEONEOF
20:37 specing Leoneof: you up
20:37 specing Leoneof: ?
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20:41 Leoneof lol
20:41 Leoneof specing: what you are doing here?
20:42 Leoneof i don't know why i'm here, but it is ok
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20:48 jojoa1997 can a minetest lan be run through a proxy
20:49 Calinou why?
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20:51 Leoneof because he want to do that
20:51 jojoa1997 school is blocking minetest
20:51 jojoa1997 firewall to be excact
20:52 Calinou then do other things at school...
20:52 Calinou a proxy increases lag anyway :P
20:52 ShadowNinja emptty: Writing to the mod directory is bad practice and should be considered a mod error, the world dir is a better place, although we should probably have a settings dir or similar for non-world-specific files.
20:53 emptty ShadowNinja: Not sure that this is what happens here. I only know that the modstore raises a C++ error that breaks in lua
20:53 iqualfragile emptty: no
20:54 ShadowNinja emptty: That error message happens when a function in the Lua API throws an exception and LuaJIT gobbles up the message.
20:54 emptty How could I debug this one?
20:55 ShadowNinja "throw LuaError(L, "Something went wrong");" -> "ServerError: LuaError: C++ exception" Try compiling with non-JIT Lua.
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21:00 specing tmp/portage/games-action/minetest-0.4.8/w​ork/minetest-0.4.8/src/inventory.cpp:624: ItemStack& InventoryList::getItem(irr::u32): Assertion 'i < m_size' failed.
21:01 specing after right-clicking on craft_guide on clip public server
21:02 specing happened again
21:02 specing okay, don't click craft guide ;P
21:03 specing http://bpaste.net/show/hBDO1g5P6YXUWvfCrL0G/
21:04 Leoneof btw, it's required to enter password?
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21:05 kaeza Leoneof, depends on server
21:07 xiong I find that I'm able to run 'minetestserver' as an ordinary user without 'sudo'. That puts all the configurations in '~/.minetest', yes? Is there any reason to tinker with anything outside of '/home'? I was considering a fake user on the system.
21:08 Leoneof this game is using %100 of cpu with two cores, whats up
21:13 thefamilygrog66 it's hacking your system, Leoneof
21:13 FreeFull xiong: Minetest servers run on ports above 1024, so yeah, you don't need root priviledges at all
21:14 xiong No; and I don't see, then, why I want to do any configuration at all, of any kind, outside of some dedicated user account.
21:15 xiong It's a service; it should be run by a service (fake) user.
21:15 xiong I mean, it's not an essential service so why have it anywhere outside of '/home'?
21:16 Calinou Leoneof, the game uses some multithreading
21:16 Calinou it is a good thing
21:16 * Jordach + shaders + TP = https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=120731#p120731
21:16 Jordach (look at the water level!)
21:16 Leoneof Calinou: but it's supposed to use gpu? i feel not
21:16 Calinou it uses both
21:17 Leoneof i want to use only gpu, my cpu is poor and don't want to put all effort on it :]
21:18 Calinou you can't
21:19 Calinou CPU will always be needed for a GPU to work
21:19 Calinou rendering calls put stress on the CPU too
21:19 Leoneof :(
21:20 Leoneof winehq + hitman3 is very smooth and more than minetest -_-
21:20 FreeFull Any news on minetest 2?
21:21 Calinou is hitman3 old?
21:21 Calinou wine is quite CPU-dependent
21:21 Calinou FreeFull, you mean Freeminer?
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21:22 Leoneof Calinou: well, libreoffice is smoother than minetest ;)
21:23 john_minetest libreoffice needs half an hour to start up...
21:23 john_minetest And takes gigs of ram
21:23 Leoneof very true
21:23 Calinou not for me
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21:24 Calinou on a netbook, it takes 10 seconds, on desktop, less than 5 seconds
21:24 Calinou 4.1
21:24 Calinou it runs fine on netbook, which has 1GB of RAM
21:25 FreeFull Calinou: That's not really 2
21:25 FreeFull It's more ++
21:26 Calinou there is no Minetest 2?
21:26 john_minetest Libreoffice is really bloated
21:26 john_minetest I use abiword for word processing. Only missing thing is powerpoint.
21:27 Leoneof john_minetest: it's still poor when you compare with microsoft office
21:28 john_minetest I use the term "powerpoint" as other word for "presentation software".
21:28 john_minetest Normally people understand "powerpoint" and "word" and "excel" better than "presentation software", "word processing" and "table calculation program".
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21:29 Calinou very few people use abiword/gnumeric
21:30 Calinou <john_minetest> I use the term "powerpoint" as other word for "presentation software".
21:30 Calinou don't do that, don't "brand" your language
21:30 Calinou find an acronym for it or something
21:31 thefamilygrog66 that sounds like a band-aid solution
21:31 thefamilygrog66 pass me the kleenex
21:31 Calinou lol
21:31 thefamilygrog66 :P
21:31 thefamilygrog66 trolling, trolling, trolling
21:32 thefamilygrog66 (sung to the tune of "Rawhide")
21:32 john_minetest Calinou: I also call every hazelnut chocolate spread "nutella".
21:33 thefamilygrog66 no kidding - it's not like I'm gonna tell my kids that I'm using the no-name stuff!
21:36 john_minetest I won't say "Give me the zentis hazelnut chocolate spread, please". I say "Give me the nutella, please"
21:37 john_minetest I also won't say "Give me the money" since I am no bank robber... but that
21:37 john_minetest is unrelated.
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21:48 VanessaE Calinou: can you please change moreblocks/stairsplus to use the invertwall feature of the rotate_and_place() call.  forcewall is turning out to be rather cumbersome in practice, at least with stairs/slabs.
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21:49 VanessaE s/call\./call\?/
21:49 Calinou ok, but not now, going to sleep :p
21:49 VanessaE I'll do it
21:49 Calinou you can do it and send a pull request
21:49 VanessaE sure
21:49 Esteban hi everyone! :D
21:49 Calinou hi Esteban :)
21:49 EvergreenTree Hello!
21:52 EvergreenTree It's nice to see me and VanessaE's rotate_and_place is used
21:52 kaeza holas Esteban
21:52 Esteban hola Kaeza!
21:53 Esteban Things I write here can be seen in the IRC mod? or do I have to use a specified channel?
21:53 Esteban I always had this doubt :P
21:53 kaeza lol no :P
21:53 PilzAdam bye
21:53 kaeza we have a dedicated channel on another network though
21:54 kaeza #minetest @ irc.inchra.net
21:54 Calinou Esteban, the IRC mod can use any channel as relay
21:54 Calinou however, if someone uses this channel as a relay, I think the bot would get quieted (which means people can say stuff to the server, but not the inverse)
21:55 Esteban Oh...  thanks guys!
21:55 Calinou np
21:55 Calinou night :)
21:56 kaeza night
21:58 EvergreenTree night
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22:01 Esteban How I connect to other channels? Im a noob to the irc XD
22:02 EvergreenTree You're using the web irc right?
22:02 Esteban yes
22:02 EvergreenTree You can't unless you open a new tab in the browser
22:03 EvergreenTree I would suggest using an irc client like hexchat or quassel
22:03 Esteban thanx
22:03 * EvergreenTree uses xchat
22:04 kaeza you can connect to other channels via webchat, but not to other networks
22:04 kaeza still, I recommend getting hexchat
22:04 kaeza will make your life easier :>
22:05 * Esteban writes it down on a notepad
22:06 EvergreenTree I was about to say "notepad sucks" until I realized you meant real life, not software.  :P
22:07 kaeza yes, use leafpad; it sucks but it's free!
22:07 EvergreenTree plol
22:07 Esteban lol
22:07 EvergreenTree If you use windows, notepad++ is great
22:07 EvergreenTree for coding stuff
22:09 Esteban Since i havent programmed stuff before, I used to use notepad, but for now Im using wordpad...when I get my new pc Ill get notepad++
22:10 EvergreenTree I'm not sure if it supports windows, but two good editing programs for linux is geany(for larger projects) and gedit(for smaller things)
22:10 EvergreenTree s/it/they
22:10 kaeza geany at least works on windows
22:10 kaeza dunno about gedit
22:11 EvergreenTree I looked it up, it does
22:11 kaeza there's also jEdit if you don't mind having to install the JRE :3
22:11 EvergreenTree and also, gedit basically means gnome-edit
22:11 EvergreenTree because it is the default text editor for gnome
22:13 EvergreenTree lol, sfan5's stats:  "Is Miner_48er stupid or just asking too many questions? 43.5% lines contained a question! "
22:15 EvergreenTree http://funny-pictures-blog.com/wp-con​tent/uploads/2011/09/Judging-tree.jpg
22:16 * Esteban thinks on what to draw...
22:16 EvergreenTree a minetest tree!    :#
22:16 EvergreenTree *:3
22:17 Esteban :3 ok
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22:19 Esteban well gtg for now, see ya on the forums!
22:20 * Esteban le flies away
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22:47 EvergreenTree Hey bas080
22:47 EvergreenTree you don't do too much talking on here actually
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22:55 * ShadowNinja has been working on his esoteric programing language
22:56 FreeFull ShadowNinja: I know a channel for that
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22:57 harrison also you must have an editor for the terminal window and i recommend nano
22:58 FreeFull I recommend ed
22:59 kaeza I recommend butterflies
23:00 john_minetest Nice. Because there is an emacs command for it.
23:00 harrison butterfly is the only word i know that was formed by spoonerism (from flutter by)
23:00 ShadowNinja FreeFull: Ah, what one?  ShadowBot has it built in. sfan5: I remember you tried to do something like this with it before: ,,(derplangplus "var:b:99; label:start; print:b:' bottles of beer on the wall.  '; subtract:b:b:1; if:b:0:continue:start")
23:00 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: 99 bottles of beer on the wall.  98 bottles of beer on the wall.  97 bottles of beer on the wall.  96 bottles of beer on the wall.  95 bottles of beer on the wall.  94 bottles of beer on the wall.  93 bottles of beer on the wall.  92 bottles of beer on the wall.  91 bottles of beer on the wall.  90 bottles of beer on the wall.  89 bottles of beer on the wall.  88 bottles of beer (8 more messages)
23:00 FreeFull ShadowNinja: #esoteric on this network
23:01 FreeFull harrison: bird used to be brid
23:01 harrison not a spoonerism
23:02 harrison take any brid and put him in a cage...
23:02 kaeza harrison, is that true?
23:02 harrison flutter by? i think so
23:03 harrison early 1800's ?
23:03 kaeza I always though it was referencing a floating milk product
23:04 FreeFull What about ladybird?
23:05 kaeza bidilard?
23:05 FreeFull Why is it named after the Virgin Mary?
23:06 kaeza bidy*
23:06 kaeza :P
23:06 john_minetest kaeza: it is "billiard"
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