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00:39 stormchaser3000 hi
00:39 stormchaser3000 is kaeza here
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00:44 Pilcrow does anyone know of an easy way to dump a list of all registered nodes into a file?
00:44 stormchaser3000 um copy and paste
00:45 VanessaE Pilcrow: turn on debugging and grep debug.txt
00:45 VanessaE I forget the exact phrase, something like grep for "NodeDefManager" and "registering" in the same line
00:46 VanessaE sort the results, pipe through uniq
00:46 VanessaE or maybe it's ItemDefManager
00:48 Pilcrow ah, thank you, VanessaE. that sounds like what I'm looking for. I'm making a sort of 'e-shop' mod and want to look through what is available in order to decide what to put in the mod's inventory...  :)
00:51 stormchaser3000 vannesa
00:51 stormchaser3000 how do i run the irc mod
00:51 VanessaE you have to compile it
00:51 stormchaser3000 i did
00:51 VanessaE it relies on an external library
00:51 VanessaE there's a quick-install script that comes with it
00:52 stormchaser3000 i ran it
00:52 VanessaE ad?
00:52 VanessaE and?
00:52 stormchaser3000 it said there was a file dir missing
00:52 VanessaE um.
00:52 stormchaser3000 an irc dir
00:52 VanessaE you know better than that.
00:52 VanessaE what was the exact text of the error?
00:53 stormchaser3000 here i will rerun it when i get back in 2 hours i have to go
00:53 stormchaser3000 see you then
00:53 VanessaE ok
00:59 Pilcrow hmm, VanessaE, adding show_debug = true to my minetest.conf doesn't give me any messages about registering items. did you mean something else by 'turn on debugging'?
01:00 VanessaE debug_log_level = 4
01:01 Pilcrow Ah, ok. Thanks. I've never done any of this, so I had to go wiki it. guess I missed something, lol.
01:02 VanessaE I think :)
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01:13 Pilcrow thank you VanessaE. that worked perfectly. maybe I'll actually be able to release this mod...
01:14 VanessaE Pilcrow: glad I could help :)
01:14 VanessaE hi jojo
01:14 jojoa1997 Hello VanessaE.
01:15 jojoa1997 so i think minecraft did something smart for once
01:15 cy1 uh oh
01:15 jojoa1997 they enabled minecrafters to livestream with twitch
01:16 cy1 wow, and did they justin beiber too?
01:16 cy1 I remember when livestreaming was called "downloading"
01:18 jojoa1997 and they ruined it
01:18 jojoa1997 my computer cant broadcast or so they say so haha minetest still has better upgrades. even though minecraft is still a good gaem.
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01:28 us`0gb cy1: So that's what livestraming is? I'm still stuck in the past I guess, I still call that downloading.
01:32 jojoa1997 livestreamming is downloading but it is constant
01:36 Pilcrow livestreaming is also what skype does when you make a video call, but in minecraft's case it would be sending a video of what's on your screen, not what your camera sees...
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02:26 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Fix usage of 'minetest' where 'engine' was intended e52d811110 2013-11-21T18:24:04-08:00 http://git.io/iks08Q
02:38 cy1 us`0gb: The difference is with livestreaming you can only use a secret program to download and play the movie and it deletes the movie after you played it so you can't enjoy it again.
02:42 us`0gb cy1: Oh, fun. So something I can't do on my free system then.
02:47 VanessaE unless you use vlc :P
02:47 VanessaE I seem to recall it has the ability to rip pretty much anything it can display
02:47 us`0gb Oh, nice.
02:47 * us`0gb looks up vlc
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02:53 hoodedice Anyone else: Know where the code for the default inventory is stored?
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02:54 us`0gb It's stored in the player files.
02:54 hoodedice Hmm.
02:54 us`0gb <world>/players/<player>
02:54 us`0gb With some other player data in the files.
02:55 VanessaE us`0gb: I think he means the Lua code
02:55 Partmedia hoodedice, wait, the *default* inventory?
02:55 VanessaE how the formspec is implemented.
02:55 hoodedice Umm, I don't think I want 'this' code
02:55 hoodedice Yes, the formspec code
02:55 hoodedice Not the content code
02:56 hoodedice Yes, *default* inventory.
02:56 us`0gb Ah. There's a way to retrieve it's Lua form, but it is in C++, not Lua.
02:56 us`0gb I'll find the function.
02:56 hoodedice Hard-coded?
02:56 hoodedice darn
02:56 Partmedia Wait, do you mean the "give_initial_stuff" thing?
02:56 us`0gb hoodedice: It can be reset in Lua.
02:56 hoodedice nevermind. But how come, DanDucombe managed to add a custom image to his inventory?
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02:57 us`0gb It can be changed in Lua, but it is coded in C++/
02:57 hoodedice hmm
02:57 us`0gb Finding function ...
02:57 hoodedice Chill.
02:57 hoodedice Nevermind. Not that I can do anything about that.
02:58 us`0gb hoodedice: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1696
02:58 us`0gb Both functions are there. One to get the current formspec and one to set a new one.
02:59 hoodedice Yes, that would be helpful. Thanks
03:01 ShadowNinja hoodedice: See how UI does it.
03:02 cy1 I don't think vlc can play twitch.tv ... could be wrong...
03:03 hoodedice VanessaE: I still think UI has problems with creative
03:03 hoodedice or something
03:04 hoodedice FIXED!
03:05 Peacock can i change the water_level after starting a map?
03:05 hoodedice map_meta.txt
03:05 hoodedice under world directory
03:05 Peacock i know where, im asking when i can i do it lol
03:06 hoodedice I think you can, but the build I'm using has the water and land lvl bug
03:06 Peacock -i, sorry no sleep and no tv makes homer something something
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03:09 hoodedice VanessaE:
03:09 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=119166#p119166
03:10 VanessaE weird
03:10 VanessaE hoodedice: I don't have that mod inside my copy of realtest.
03:10 hoodedice Did that game get an update?
03:11 VanessaE are you using DanDuncombe's version
03:11 VanessaE ?
03:11 VanessaE the original by sda97 is outdated.
03:11 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7573
03:11 hoodedice DanDucombe's
03:12 hoodedice But mine is kinda old - 16/11. I'll update and see what happens
03:13 VanessaE commit 911568a346d7312188a14e3a9ef3868d2c488dd1
03:13 VanessaE Author: DanDuncombe <fishermanduncombe@gmail.com>
03:13 VanessaE Date:   Thu Nov 21 21:55:29 2013 +0000
03:13 VanessaE Restored hand range due to complaints
03:13 Peacock lol hand range, not touching that one :P
03:13 VanessaE Peacock: get your mind out of the gutter :)
03:14 hoodedice XD
03:14 Peacock dont mind me, i got a full four hours of sleep lol
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03:17 hoodedice I say, DanDucombe's git-pic is kinda... https://github.com/DanDuncombe
03:18 Peacock i dont think he made that himself
03:18 Peacock theyre sortof, generated
03:18 Peacock mine looks like a space invader in the same colours
03:18 hoodedice Yes, but that make's it even more lol
03:18 hoodedice Dan's looks like a darned middle finger to me
03:19 VanessaE yep \
03:19 VanessaE I noticed that
03:19 Peacock missing a few fingers lol
03:19 VanessaE that reminds me, I need to push some new map images soon
03:19 hoodedice Alien middle finger XD
03:20 * ShadowNinja thought of grass...
03:20 Peacock i thought it looks like leonardo da vinci painting the mona lisa
03:21 hoodedice http://media.247sports.com/Uplo​ads/Boards/545/19545/284225.jpg
03:22 hoodedice VanessaE: Newer RealTest Revamped needs the same treatment
03:23 VanessaE nope.avi
03:23 VanessaE https://github.com/DanDuncom​be/realtest/tree/master/mods
03:23 hoodedice Yes.mp4
03:23 VanessaE no "creative" mod in there.
03:23 hoodedice core > creative.lua
03:24 VanessaE oh wow
03:24 VanessaE you're right
03:24 hoodedice https://github.com/DanDuncombe/realte​st/blob/master/mods/core/creative.lua
03:24 hoodedice Ta Da
03:24 VanessaE you should post this on the thread for realtest revamped
03:24 hoodedice Indeed. Already posted on the UI thread.
03:24 Peacock one wonders why creative is seperate from default in minetest_game as well, it doesn't really have unique files
03:25 Peacock and it's about as important as mapgen.lua
03:27 Peacock though i did edit mine to provide a custom creative and non creative inv
03:27 ShadowNinja hoodedice: From the look of it UI will properly disable that creative inv.
03:27 Peacock you can shift the rows of the personal inventory like a rolodex
03:27 VanessaE I've never tried to use UI over realtest
03:28 ShadowNinja hoodedice: And it's definitely not a UI issue.
03:28 hoodedice It does disable on the first go, but pressing enter will somehow revert it to stock
03:29 hoodedice And I think it is indeed not a UI problem
03:30 hoodedice Plus, the game does not load with said file present
03:31 VanessaE wha?
03:31 VanessaE um
03:31 VanessaE I run that game, not altered, on one of my servers
03:32 hoodedice Yes, you do and you've granted me privs too
03:40 hoodedice wait for it...
03:42 * VanessaE shrugs..  I have no idea why it breaks for you but not for me (the part where you said it won't run at all I mean)
03:43 hoodedice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfcB4yu_AaY
03:43 hoodedice Video processing took longer than usual =/
03:45 VanessaE why do you preload?  that's a waste of time :P
03:45 hoodedice preload?
03:46 hoodedice Well, in any case, I hope you got what I mean. The creative thingy is just... I don't know... too much bother
03:46 VanessaE oh sure
03:46 VanessaE preload --> "preload item visuals" in your settings menu.
03:46 hoodedice preload item visuals?
03:46 VanessaE turn that off.  it's not really needed anymore
03:46 hoodedice Hmm
03:46 Peacock why isn't preload needed anymore?
03:47 VanessaE or I should say, it's not generally needed
03:47 VanessaE forget the 'anymore' part.
03:47 VanessaE it just makes the game take longer to start
03:47 Peacock well it did fix inventory issues when i had a big one, though my space game is pretty minimal
03:48 hoodedice What about the black patches in the water?
03:49 Peacock oil
03:49 hoodedice lol
03:51 Partmedia hey, can anyone recommend a food mod off the top of their head?
03:52 hoodedice rubenwardy's basic food mod?
03:52 hoodedice I don't use any
03:52 * Partmedia will take a look, thanks!
03:54 hoodedice liquid_update = 1.0
03:54 hoodedice Will 0.2 speed it up?
03:55 hoodedice Yes
04:02 cy1 Partmedia: farming_plus?
04:10 Partmedia cy1, I've got that, was thinking about more food options, but thanks :D
04:11 Partmedia cy1, to clarify, for farming_plus, I shouldn't have farming (non-minetest_game version) installed?
04:12 hoodedice hmm
04:12 hoodedice The black patches are caused by worldedit
04:15 hoodedice sfan5
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04:59 cy1 Partmedia: baking berry pies is fun. That's in plants_lib
04:59 cy1 There's no meat recipes much b/c mobf wasn't working until recently
05:00 cy1 Partmedia: check the depends.txt for farming_plus I bet it has farming in it.
05:00 Peacock well i made a mod where you can eat dead players but i never posted it lol
05:00 cy1 Still wish I could figure out fluids...
05:01 cy1 liquid_finite allows stuff to flow and not be frozen initially. but it needs liquid_relax as true and liquid_fast_flow as false to work right.
05:01 Peacock liquids, simple
05:01 cy1 but in that case, lava source blocks disappear and all the lava starts flowing away.
05:02 cy1 how're you supposed to get obsidian with only flowing lava?
05:02 Peacock normal liquids were too functional and stable and lag free, so they added finite, and when most people didn't use finite, they found a way to screw up/slow down normal liquids XD
05:03 cy1 pff
05:04 cy1 the only problem with normal liquids is they don't start flowing initially
05:04 cy1 so you have water ceilings
05:04 cy1 and floating lava
05:04 Peacock yeah, that used to work fine before range
05:04 cy1 range?
05:04 Peacock hence im working on a game that doesn't have any liquids lol
05:06 Peacock well i dont have the energy to explain range lol some alternate form of viscosity
05:06 cy1 ah, huh...
05:07 Peacock well dont ask me, if i understood what purpose it served i could explain it but i dont so i cant :P
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05:23 Pilcrow hey guys. due to some gripes I had with the trader hut from sapier's mobf modpack, I decided to make my own shop mod. it's not quite finished yet, but what do y'all think of this? http://i.imgur.com/XyxrFSY.png
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05:50 stormchaser3000 hi
05:51 Peacock no
05:55 Pilcrow hmm, quite quiet on here right now.
05:55 Peacock its the nightshift, all we have are stale doughnuts
05:57 Peacock plus the only people awake would probably west coast american until the europeans wake up in a few hours
05:57 Pilcrow eh, I'm in Wisconsin. it's only midnight here...
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05:59 Peacock poor thing, can't you apply for refugee status in a decent part of the country? :P
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06:00 Pilcrow we have cheese curds. that makes up for everything.  ;)
06:00 Peacock then you must have poutine?
06:01 Peacock and im not talking about the russian president who does all those shirtless gay photo ops for the media :P
06:01 Peacock but the fries + gravy + cheese curds thing
06:02 Pilcrow not in my town, but I've had it before
06:03 Peacock sucks, youd think with an abundance of cheese curds they would
06:08 Pilcrow yeah, it's just something that hasn't really caught on here. you can get fried cheese curds at pretty much any resteraunt, car show, or sports event here though, and the plain ones are sold at almost any gas station around...
06:10 Peacock fried cheese curds? what cheese curds aren't unhealthy enough? lol
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06:12 Pilcrow heh, they're amazing though. a heart attack waiting to happen, sure, but they're so good!
06:14 Peacock well considering the alcohol, tobacco and caffeine i at least try to eat healthy, (when i eat lol)
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06:17 Pilcrow heh, when you eat? I have that problem too. if I get to working on a project - especially programming - I tend to not realize I haven't eaten all day.  :P
06:18 Peacock well its been two days at my end lol
06:19 Pilcrow well that's no good. crazy thought, but maybe you should eat something?  :P
06:23 Peacock dont worry, we're gonna head down to the bus station and pick up a helpess transient
06:23 Peacock so much better than horsemeat
06:24 Peacock :P
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06:27 hoodedice sfan5: I hope you're not too annoyed? ;)
06:27 hoodedice Thanks
06:27 sfan5 no
06:27 sfan5 it's ok
06:28 Pilcrow by transient, you mean a homeless person right? not a term I'm familiar with; I actually had to look it up!  :P
06:32 Peacock yeah i think i picked it up from watching hannibal lol
06:35 Pilcrow ah, ok. I've never seen it.
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06:52 hoodedice sfan5
06:52 hoodedice I got your rba build
06:53 hoodedice Thanks again
06:56 hoodedice VanessaE:
06:56 hoodedice Waving_plants and waving_water doesnt work on sfan's latest rba build, however, I'm not getting the red discoloration either
06:58 VanessaE hrm
06:58 VanessaE well most plants won't wave by default until minetest_game is modified
06:58 VanessaE moretrees and plantlife stuff will though
07:01 hoodedice I'll check that later, but I'm very happy that shaders do work at all now
07:02 hoodedice Does 256x bumped work without rba's stuff?
07:02 hoodedice Or does it working mean that shaders DO work?
07:02 hoodedice I'm so confused XD
07:03 Pilcrow the waving plants thing really does look nice. unfortunately, I probably won't be able to use it, seeing as my gpu is an onboard AMD 4250 and uses the free linux driver...
07:34 VanessaE bbl, bed
07:37 Pilcrow hmm, bed for me too.
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08:39 paramat hi Peacock o/ *waves like water* with preLVM asteroid mod i can get a full world with no shadow bugs by using mapgen v6 with water level set to -40000
08:40 paramat no terrain generates you spawn in empty space and can't move, have to fly up
08:41 paramat however hmmmm committed recently that water level no longer defines terrain level so this is just a temporary hacky fix
08:41 paramat hopefully fixed in 0.4.9 which i hear may be out soon after 0.4.8
08:43 paramat in singlenode mapgen with water_level = -31000 the glitchy shadows are still there below y = 0
08:44 paramat i'll report all this in the github issue :)
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10:02 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Go For A Ride Day! :-D
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11:28 reactor OldCoder: o/
11:28 reactor Anything new?
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12:44 reactor EvergreenTree: Hello, I am a computer program.
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12:45 john_minetest Hello everykitten
12:45 EvergreenTree reactor,  I knew it all along
12:50 reactor I am not.
12:50 reactor I was kiddig.
12:51 reactor s/ig/ing/
12:51 reactor You see, I even make typos.
12:51 reactor john_minetest: there are no kittens.
13:00 EvergreenTree Except MinetestBot
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13:03 john_minetest reactor: There are. "And there shall be kittens", mattheus verse 5, line 7
13:03 john_minetest okay, that was just a guess.
13:03 reactor Uh. I don't seem to be familiar with that.
13:03 john_minetest It was an imaginary bible citation.
13:03 john_minetest But it should be there.
13:03 reactor Butt? You would like to talk about butts?
13:04 john_minetest Maybe all monks who redistributed the bible were afraid of kittens so there are none (or maybe only a few hidden ones) in the bible.
13:05 reactor Monkeys?
13:08 sfan5 hi everyone
13:08 reactor EHLO.
13:08 reactor john_minetest: you would like to talk about monkeys and butts?
13:08 reactor Butt monkeys?
13:08 reactor Moneky butts?
13:08 reactor s/ek/ke/
13:09 reactor But meh, whatever you're into, mate.
13:09 sfan5 meow
13:09 reactor Oh. I guess you were right, john_minetest.
13:09 reactor One kitten.
13:09 reactor But say hello to humans, will you?
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13:13 john_minetest I will no greet humans until nuclear weapons are abandoned.
13:13 john_minetest :3
13:18 reactor ?
13:18 reactor Fuck you.
13:18 reactor Without nucler energy the world is doomed.
13:18 reactor Because there is already not enough oil.
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13:37 sfan5 yay! my packet arrived
13:38 reactor sfan5: IP over Pigeon carrier?
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13:47 reactor john_minetest: btw, eh.
13:47 reactor How's the science?
13:47 sfan5 reactor: no, Product over Mailman
13:47 reactor oh.
13:47 reactor s/o/O/
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13:54 john_minetest reactor: fusion power plants are the future.
13:55 reactor Good luck raising the technology.
13:55 reactor It's been three-four decades since they started trying it, still no luck.
13:56 reactor We don't have enough technologies for that, but fission reactors are an established thing now.
13:56 reactor Why not use them while researching fusion?
13:56 john_minetest They did fusion
13:57 john_minetest Commercial power plant planned already
13:57 reactor Have I missed something?
14:00 reactor According to Pediwikia, it only produced a little bit more energy than consumed.
14:00 reactor Still not practical.
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14:13 john_minetest reactor: Wendelstein X-7 (2014) will show if that special fusion type can be used commercially
14:14 john_minetest 2030 might be the prove that those power plants are applicable
14:14 reactor By then, we should rely on already existing tech.
14:14 reactor Oil is gonna run out by 2050.
14:15 john_minetest yep.
14:15 john_minetest and then fusion is there.
14:16 pitriss Hi, I want to ask: Is possible to re-register ABM from another mod?
14:16 john_minetest also all people talk about "oil, the fuel". Bullshit. Most oil is used for plastic stuff. Only a small percentage is used as fuel.
14:20 john_minetest woah, gnash is the hell!
14:20 john_minetest memory usage increases steadily when it idles. after some time it kills my pc
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14:22 reactor john_minetest: use flash.
14:22 reactor GNASH is still experimental.
14:22 reactor And very slow.
14:23 reactor Btw.
14:23 reactor Can gnash save flash videos?
14:23 reactor Can swfdec?
14:31 john_minetest gnash is good
14:31 john_minetest gnash is free software
14:31 john_minetest atm it is the best flash replacement
14:32 john_minetest I feel bad because I got nvidia and MS fonts on my PC. I don't want more unfree software
14:34 reactor You don't have to.
14:34 reactor nvidia drivers are just drivers for your hardware
14:34 reactor ms fonts are there for compatibility with shit programs
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14:56 john_minetest Kerbal space program...
14:56 hoodedice Orbiter is better
14:56 john_minetest Orbiter is windows-only
14:56 hoodedice Sad.
14:56 john_minetest and you can't assemble your spaceships
14:56 hoodedice Not sad.
14:56 john_minetest Actually the both programs are doing completely different things
14:56 hoodedice Anyway, with the new build, I was able to generate a water world, now I need to place a block without
14:57 john_minetest It is like comparing World of Warcraft and League of Legends - two MMORPGs that are completely different.
14:57 hoodedice starting a tower fro, the sea-bed
14:57 hoodedice Indeed, orbiter is a sim, much more enjoyable
14:57 hoodedice Anyone?
14:57 john_minetest orbiter reminds me of pioneer space sim
14:57 VanessaE hoodedice: flowers_plus waterlilies can be placed on water, I believe.  Build off one of those.
14:57 VanessaE also, hi
14:57 hoodedice Yo
14:58 john_minetest hoodedice:  pioneer has cool features but it is focussed on future spaceflight.
14:58 john_minetest No booster rockets and stuff
14:58 john_minetest Only spaceplanes
14:58 hoodedice I'm looking at a video
14:59 john_minetest of what?
14:59 hoodedice Pioneer,
14:59 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK3FEiNiKOk
14:59 john_minetest That one is by a cool guy and relatively new
14:59 hoodedice I remember it now. Played it a while back
14:59 hoodedice Twas boring
14:59 hoodedice =/
14:59 hoodedice I'll go back to it some other day, when I'm bored XD
15:00 hoodedice Thanks VanessaE
15:04 hoodedice john_minetest: Does this thing have combat in it?
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15:09 hoodedice Later peeps
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15:14 reactor aLet reppe s
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15:25 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
15:26 VanessaE hi
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15:43 EvergreenTree o/
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15:47 VanessaE bbl
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15:51 paramat hi Adam, i usually miss you due to being european but nocturnal :)
15:52 PilzAdam ah, thats why your asteroid mod is pitch black ;-)
15:53 PilzAdam (https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1015)
15:55 paramat heehee
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15:59 pitriss Please can anyone help me with git a bit? Is possible to update submodule to specified commit? If yes, how?
15:59 PilzAdam submodules? sorry, cant help with that
15:59 PilzAdam I recommend to not use submodules
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16:00 paramat just in case any devs here would like to finally update the wieldhand for 0.4.8 ... https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/issues/218 :)
16:07 troller pitriss, cd submoduledir; git checkout commit
16:07 troller PilzAdam, I recommend you to not recommend
16:09 OldCoder Hi
16:09 pitriss troller: ok i tried that but i still getting error about: fatal: reference is not a tree. probably copying hash of commit is not enough, right?
16:10 troller its wrong commit, deleted from tree via push -f
16:10 OldCoder reactor, nothing new is expected for Pripyat until more people test the latest git client. I need to debug the lockup mentioned previously. After that, when you feel the time is right, I will clone Pripyat and put up a read-write version. After that, it will be up to the community.
16:11 troller pitriss, first try update parent git
16:11 * OldCoder is headed to work; it's 8:10am here. He will return online for much of the day.
16:11 pitriss troller: ahh so normal git pull and then checkout back?
16:12 troller git pull; git submodule update --init --recursive
16:12 pitriss troller: oka, thanks:)
16:13 pitriss *okay
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16:22 dafull97 hey guys
16:22 iqualfragile JamesTait: go for a ride day?
16:22 iqualfragile hi dafull97
16:22 iqualfragile are you new to minetest?
16:22 JamesTait iqualfragile, indeed.  I've been for two today! :)
16:24 dafull97 iqualgragile, i have been playing minetest for a while, 1-2 maybe
16:24 iqualfragile do you need guidiance? any questions?
16:24 dafull97 nope, just come in to chill haha
16:25 dafull97 who knows about shotguns
16:26 iqualfragile JamesTait: hby?
16:26 JamesTait iqualfragile, school runs.  Only about 10 minutes each way to school, but better than nothing. :)
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16:46 paramat back in a few hours, need to sleep :P
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16:54 zat http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/something-to​-make-you-cringe-besides-nick-cage-1466085237
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17:22 dafull97 hey guys
17:23 rubenwardy Hi all
17:24 rubenwardy Now for the ultimate question
17:24 rubenwardy What do you want to see in a nodebox editor?
17:25 rubenwardy !tell rubenwardy ha
17:25 MinetestBot rubenwardy: <rubenwardy> ha
17:25 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when rubenwardy is around
17:25 rubenwardy nice
17:26 dafull97 !tell dafull97 hahahaha
17:26 MinetestBot dafull97: <dafull97> hahahaha
17:26 MinetestBot dafull97: I'll pass that on when dafull97 is around
17:26 dafull97 lol
17:26 dafull97 never knew of that feature
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17:42 * Jordach tests the SunSpider 1.0.2
17:43 Jordach > 672.8ms almost a second on a Pentium 4 with FireFox (notbad.avi)
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17:52 rubenwardy What do you want to see in a nodebox editor?
17:53 ShadowNinja 171.0ms +/- 8.1% :-)
18:14 NekoGloop geez, debian's going to take several hours to download its boot disc >.>
18:14 Jordach > debian
18:14 Jordach > DEBIAN
18:14 Jordach gj
18:14 NekoGloop Oh, wait, bittorrent is just being bittorrent
18:14 NekoGloop Jordach, what
18:19 NekoGloop 30 minutes... no wait 2 hours... no wait 10 minutes... no wait 7 hours...
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18:23 thexyz http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1295544154
18:25 Jordach DAFUQ
18:25 Jordach 4chan being USEFUL
18:27 ShadowNinja rubenwardy: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=119184#p119184 <-- Reference the FAQ on the wiki.
18:28 rubenwardy no
18:28 rubenwardy It is formatted really really badly
18:28 ShadowNinja rubenwardy: Then tweak it, but you should reference that one.
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18:35 * Jordach should take texture design as a hobby http://i.imgur.com/YxVTJQ6.png
18:37 thexyz you should show how it looks in game
18:37 Jordach ugh
18:37 Jordach later
18:38 thexyz sfan5: have you finished s;g?
18:38 sfan5 no...
18:39 thexyz what ep are you on?
18:39 sfan5 was busy doing things like trying to get an attiny2313 to work
18:39 sfan5 5
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18:42 NekoGloop Jordach, what OS/DE are you using?
18:43 Jordach Mint 15 w/ XFCE4.x
18:43 iqualfragile thexyz: 4chan was always usefull
18:43 NekoGloop ah
18:43 thexyz sfan5: alright
18:43 NekoGloop the rat-DE
18:43 thexyz iqualfragile: at what?
18:43 iqualfragile for example: killing braincells
18:43 sfan5 thexyz: s/5/6/
18:43 thexyz stiil too low
18:44 NekoGloop sfan6?
18:46 thexyz nice joke
18:46 NekoGloop well
18:46 NekoGloop if that command was used and there was a bot in this channel that recognized it
18:46 NekoGloop it would have returned "<thexyz> sfan6: alright"
18:47 thexyz and there actually a bot which understands it but this feature is disabled for some reason
18:47 thexyz talking about features, at least we can have colors now
18:48 Jordach C07O08L09O11U12R13S
18:48 thexyz sfan5: btw, there's also a movie
18:48 thexyz but now only raw is available
18:49 iqualfragile Jordach: are you gay?
18:49 thexyz sfan5: it's chinese camrip released by some russian guys
18:49 thexyz chinese because it's hardsubbed
18:49 Jordach iqualfragile, i was stating that we could use COLOURS
18:50 thexyz and obviously no one is going to TL it
18:50 thexyz until the BD arrives
18:50 thexyz oh wait
18:50 thexyz there are subs actually
18:51 thexyz wow that quality
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18:56 thexyz hmm
18:56 thexyz it seems russian subs are better
18:56 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/gPBtVxC.png
18:56 thexyz your fonts are shit
18:57 Jordach <- english
18:57 Jordach i don't need your shitty craptype
18:57 thexyz haha have fun breaking your eyes fagg^W
18:57 Jordach thexyz, doesn't affect mine
18:57 thexyz when you notice it it'll be too late
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18:58 NekoGloop Jord PureBDTest
18:59 Jordach NekoGloop, i was watching a let's play of LoZ Wind Waker HD
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19:01 Jordach except i'm taking away the AA
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19:07 rubenwardy thexyz, can you set $wgAllowUserCss to true on wiki.minetest.net?
19:07 rubenwardy https://www.mediawiki.org/w​iki/Manual:$wgAllowUserCss
19:10 thexyz why?
19:11 rubenwardy so I can use the <style> tag
19:11 rubenwardy It would help on the main page too
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19:13 thexyz I don't understand
19:13 thexyz what do you need it for?
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19:13 rubenwardy http://wiki.minetest.net/User:Rubenwardy/FAQ
19:14 rubenwardy actually, using mediawiki tables might be easier
19:17 thexyz rubenwardy: the documentation is weird on that one but it seems it will only affect you
19:23 sfan5 Atmel USB drivers are a pain in the a** to install....
19:23 Jordach sfan5, for me it's SanDisk or bust
19:23 Jordach or Seagate for Externals
19:24 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/xS6smNg.png :D
19:24 sfan5 I can't program my ATtiny2313 without Atmel's drivers
19:24 thexyz eh
19:24 NekoGloop and now to install derpian...
19:24 thexyz well keep trying
19:24 Jordach HAHA
19:24 thexyz NekoGloop: what do you need it for?
19:25 sfan5 it does not work on linux for some unknown reason..
19:25 NekoGloop I need a linux VM for a class
19:26 NekoGloop someone in the class recommended debian
19:26 NekoGloop so meh
19:26 thexyz what class?
19:26 OldCoder NekoGloop, explain
19:26 OldCoder NekoGloop, I use VirtualBox
19:26 OldCoder I am running Windows in it right this minute
19:26 NekoGloop CIS130 - Operating Systems
19:26 OldCoder I have posted a post before about how to VM Windows 7
19:27 OldCoder One caution: Use VDI disk format NOT VMWare format
19:27 NekoGloop why?
19:27 thexyz it sets sane disk format by default so you don't need to change it
19:28 NekoGloop Oh, right, duh
19:28 * rubenwardy is writing the draging ui editor code for the new Nodebox editor
19:28 rubenwardy What do you want to see in a nodebox editor?
19:29 rubenwardy The new version draws the draggers, instead of adding them as a gui component
19:29 EvergreenTree WEll, I want the save button to work
19:29 EvergreenTree :P
19:29 rubenwardy Lol
19:29 rubenwardy Assume it works
19:29 EvergreenTree Hmm
19:29 EvergreenTree Let me see
19:29 twoelk what does it save to?
19:30 rubenwardy Exports to lua code, or saves as a .nbe file
19:30 rubenwardy (NodeBoxEditor)
19:30 twoelk how about adding the wim format?
19:30 rubenwardy maybe .mtnbe
19:30 rubenwardy What is that?
19:30 rubenwardy I could do
19:30 twoelk wield item thingie
19:30 EvergreenTree I'd also like to see those extra functions under "edit" sections working
19:30 * OldCoder will bbiab but he finds VirtualBox to be good
19:30 rubenwardy no, what is the format
19:30 * OldCoder tests Windows Minetest that way
19:31 twoelk so both editors can work together
19:31 rubenwardy edit?
19:31 EvergreenTree Also, I'd like to be able to control the view by clicking and dragging
19:31 rubenwardy edit sections?
19:31 rubenwardy ok
19:31 EvergreenTree Like "texture tool"  "node tool" and such
19:31 rubenwardy Middle mouse button to move viewports?
19:31 rubenwardy ok
19:32 rubenwardy Those will be :P
19:32 EvergreenTree Only for the view in the top left
19:32 EvergreenTree Instead of the arrow keys
19:32 ShadowNinja rubenwardy: The ability to rotate the camera around the nodebox and drag handles from that view.
19:32 thexyz rubenwardy: can you add some cute girls there?
19:33 EvergreenTree ShadowNinja, You already can, only with arrow keys though
19:33 ShadowNinja With the mouse button then. :-)
19:34 Jordach rubenwardy, stop stretching the texture too
19:34 rubenwardy That would be a later feature, ShadowNinja
19:34 rubenwardy As in the nodebox texture?
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19:34 rubenwardy I will use texture projection like mt
19:35 rubenwardy Maybe not in this version
19:35 rubenwardy But when I make the texture tool
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19:36 thexyz (my feature requests always get ignored)
19:36 thexyz (for obscure or no reason)
19:36 rubenwardy You havent made any yet
19:36 rubenwardy Oh, the girls
19:38 rubenwardy Sorry, thexyz, no can do
19:38 rubenwardy So: WIM format
19:38 rubenwardy Middle mouse button to move viewports
19:38 rubenwardy Drag handles in perspective
19:38 thexyz okay -(
19:39 Calinou <thexyz> rubenwardy: can you add some cute girls there?
19:39 * Calinou smells Nodebox Editor Shizuku edition already
19:40 Calinou like CrystalDiskMark
19:43 twoelk How about Sproxel, maybe if it could import and export .sxl files directly
19:44 rubenwardy .sxl?
19:44 twoelk the format this uses https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7102
19:45 Jordach eww
19:45 twoelk maybe with an option to clean up all the little boxes
19:46 rubenwardy Might add support for that!
19:46 VanessaE *skims scrollback...*
19:46 rubenwardy is Minetest nodebox file (*.*) = init.lua?
19:47 VanessaE [11-22 13:14] <NekoGloop> geez, debian's going to take several hours to download its boot disc >.>  <---  wait, what?  neko downloading debian now?!
19:47 NekoGloop continue reading
19:47 twoelk iirc
19:47 VanessaE "rat de".  heh
19:48 VanessaE I figured it was a school thing.
19:48 VanessaE who knows, you might take a liking to id
19:48 VanessaE it*
19:48 PilzAdam NekoGloop runs linux now?
19:48 Jordach there's nothing wrong wtih xfce
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19:49 thexyz oh hey i have a pic
19:50 thexyz NekoGloop: http://i.imgur.com/LdcdUrG.png
19:50 rubenwardy Wow the WIM format is ugly
19:50 thexyz aloonix still best distro though
19:51 NekoGloop apt description of arch linux
19:53 thexyz arch is nice if you know what you're doing but some fags think it's cool to suggest to newcomers
19:53 ShadowNinja ...
19:53 PilzAdam "freetards"
19:54 ShadowNinja Arch is definitely not a distro for people new to Linux.
19:54 john_minetest Yeah.
19:56 john_minetest I started with gentoo. didn't really get past installing. X didn't run. Then sabayon - ultra graphical but no packages
19:56 NekoGloop how do run bash script
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19:56 john_minetest NekoGloop: sh <file>.sh
19:56 VanessaE NekoGloop:   ./filename.sh
19:56 VanessaE or type the full path to it
19:56 NekoGloop well that makes sense
19:56 twoelk just had a look; the Sproxel format *.sxl is a zipped json table
19:56 thexyz bloat http://i.imgur.com/1wfZs8A.png
19:56 john_minetest VanessaE: Only if it is +x ed
19:56 VanessaE john_minetest: I assumed it was
19:57 Jordach or for an unattended instance, screen sh ./<filename>.sh then press CTRL + A, D
19:57 rubenwardy Just look at the .win file: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=119240#p119240
19:57 Jordach .wim*
19:57 rubenwardy thanks :P
19:58 john_minetest VanessaE: When people ask how to execute bashscript I assume they might have written something themselves (so no +x).
19:58 john_minetest but anyways
19:58 VanessaE good point.
19:58 NekoGloop actually it's Vbox's guest additions
19:58 NekoGloop which debian is derping about
19:59 VanessaE are you in X yet?
19:59 NekoGloop wuzzat
19:59 VanessaE the gui
19:59 NekoGloop yes
19:59 NekoGloop yes I've tried double-clicking the fiel
19:59 NekoGloop file
20:00 VanessaE ok, there's a menu option in virtualbox's menu that will do that for you
20:00 NekoGloop yes it's permission 777
20:00 VanessaE don't bother trying to run the file inside the debian guest
20:00 VanessaE tell the host to do it :)
20:00 NekoGloop that's how you install it
20:00 VanessaE hm, guess it's been too long for me then
20:01 twoelk rubenwardy: just remembering some trouble I had with Sproxel, some flipping, rotating and mirroring features might be usefull
20:01 NekoGloop you tell vbox to put in its iso and then you run the bash script from the "disk"
20:01 VanessaE since it's .sh, I guess just run it in a terminal in the guest
20:01 NekoGloop technically it's .run but it's a bash script
20:01 thexyz NekoGloop: ARE YOU ENJOYING IT ALREADY?
20:01 NekoGloop I've tried running it from terminal
20:02 Jordach thexyz, stfu arch user
20:02 NekoGloop I blame xfce
20:02 VanessaE NekoGloop: oh ok, well same difference really
20:02 VanessaE what's the problem?
20:02 thexyz Jordach: I don't use arch though
20:02 NekoGloop It tries opening it in mousepad?
20:02 thexyz I will on my laptop when they fix it
20:03 rubenwardy twoelk, noted
20:03 rubenwardy bye all
20:03 VanessaE NekoGloop: ok, right.  in that case run it manually like john said.   sh filename.run
20:04 VanessaE (yes, there are still too many linux progs that require the command line to get started)
20:05 thexyz IIRC
20:05 thexyz you can just double click it
20:06 VanessaE thexyz: apparently xfce treats a .run file as text and opens in an editor.
20:06 thexyz it's broken then
20:06 VanessaE (probably because the file is not marked as executable)
20:06 NekoGloop oh it's marked as executable
20:06 thexyz it should be because virtualbox guys aren't stupid
20:06 PilzAdam VanessaE, can you change that?
20:06 VanessaE NekoGloop: ls -la filename.run  ....do you see  rwxr-xr-x at the left?
20:07 thexyz lol
20:07 VanessaE PilzAdam: yes, but I forget how
20:07 thexyz just double click it, damn
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20:07 VanessaE thexyz: he did.  it opened in an editor.
20:07 NekoGloop well
20:07 NekoGloop r-xr-xr-x
20:07 VanessaE ok, good enough
20:07 VanessaE go to a terminal and just   ./filename.run
20:08 VanessaE (or the full path if you're not in the same folder0
20:08 NekoGloop mmmm
20:08 NekoGloop it's working now
20:09 VanessaE watch for any errors (afaik it runs entirely in the terminal).  When it's done, you'll need to tell the guest to restart.
20:09 NekoGloop well
20:09 NekoGloop when I tried to log out
20:09 NekoGloop *boom*
20:09 VanessaE "boom"?
20:10 VanessaE define "boom"
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20:10 NekoGloop "boom" as in "VirtualBox.exe has stopped working"
20:10 VanessaE eek
20:10 VanessaE well at least you can't blame linux for that one ;)
20:10 VanessaE ok, gotta go.  bbl.
20:10 Calinou .run?
20:11 Calinou bye VanessaE
20:11 thexyz because
20:11 thexyz that's not how you get linux
20:11 Calinou what did NekoGloop try to do?
20:11 Calinou .run is terrible usually
20:11 VanessaE thexyz: school project.  this is the best option for him -- provided vbox works right
20:12 thexyz and Calinou is right, vbox additions are in repos
20:12 Calinou I never had to install these
20:12 thexyz yes, it's possible that those are already installed
20:12 NekoGloop I want the virtual machine's screen to resize to the window
20:12 NekoGloop literally all i want
20:13 VanessaE bbl
20:13 thexyz it should do that
20:13 NekoGloop yeah right no
20:17 Calinou NekoGloop, Host+F?
20:17 Calinou host is right ctrl I think
20:17 Calinou or right alt
20:18 NekoGloop nope
20:18 NekoGloop fullscreen yes, but not 1366 x 768
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20:27 keesj Hi, I am stuck somewhere and want to "start over"/respawn. do I need to install a mod or can I repawn in the game?
20:27 keesj ubuntu 13.10 / 0.4.7+repack-2
20:28 keesj I read about a mod on the forum where you do something like ~/respawn in the chat window. but as I am very new to this game I don't really know what I need to do
20:29 keesj (I never played minecraft either) but as dad I must start playing minetest :p
20:29 PilzAdam keesj, the only way to "respawn" in the default game is when you die
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20:31 keesj and the "run_in_space" thing? is that a compile time configuration or can I change that?
20:31 PilzAdam you mean RUN_IN_PLACE?
20:32 thexyz I'm sure everyone has already seen this
20:32 keesj Damm yes sorry about that. not what I want either
20:32 thexyz > When your code has undefined behavior, you get a seg fault and corrupted data. When Jeff Dean's code has undefined behavior, a unicorn rides in on a rainbow and gives everybody free ice cream.
20:33 thexyz https://plus.google.com/+Ke​ntonVarda/posts/TSDhe5CvaFe
20:33 Peacock chuck norris never segfaults
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20:34 thexyz > During his own Google interview, Jeff Dean was asked the implications if P=NP were true. He said, "P = 0 or N = 1." Then, before the interviewer had even finished laughing, Jeff examined Google’s public certificate and wrote the private key on the whiteboard.
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20:47 Peacock daaaamn http://youtu.be/HFrgSVoJi1U
20:49 keesj PilzAdam: thanks for the help! I now copy/pasted the repawn script https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1203 in a ~/.minixtest/mods/keesj/init.lua , added an empty depend.txt and was able to enable the mod in the configuration screen!
21:00 Peacock anyone seen grog around lately? its been a while
21:00 harrison sounds like a rum to-do all round
21:05 harrison rum ... grog...
21:05 harrison see what the harrison did there?
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21:10 jojoa1997 hi
21:15 iqualfragile hi jojoa1997
21:16 jojoa1997 hi iqualfragile
21:30 * Jordach thinks Jordach should get around to making a 1080p short now
21:33 sfan5 github is broken, exactly now when I need it!
21:34 Jordach meow
21:37 * NekoGloop noms github
21:42 * NekoGloop gives up on debian -- switches to installing ubuntu on the VM
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21:49 Jordach Taoki, the camera keyframes are fucking awesome (i haven't given it a parent bone!)
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21:50 Jordach hello paramat
21:50 paramat hi :)
21:51 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/jYa4tXk.png
21:51 Jordach paramat, ^ new model
21:53 paramat good work J, thats more to my taste
21:54 Jordach paramat, current model is super smoothed, hair and skin
21:55 Jordach paramat, i just gave up trying, found a replacement model which IMO looks better, angular joints and has FINGERS: http://i.imgur.com/VZgWloS.png
22:16 Jordach Tux[QQL], dafuq
22:17 Tux[Qyou] Jordach, dafuq
22:17 Jordach im talking about the [Qyou] and [QQL] part
22:17 Tux[Qyou] guess what the Q stands for
22:18 Jordach uhm
22:18 Jordach i don't know :D
22:21 Jordach PilzAdam, https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=119247#p119247
22:21 Jordach your question is answered
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22:29 paramat apologies J, i am impossible to please when it comes to player models, anything more detailed than in-game animation looks wrong to me ;)
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22:31 Taoki Jordach: Anything can be keyframed. It's an useful feature
22:32 Fury I would actually like that player model without the fingers
22:32 Fury angular joints but no fingers
22:34 Fury would make for better crouching stances, sitting if they are ever done. swimming, etc
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22:36 Inocudom The Zamboey Winds will be blowing like the devil Saturday and Sunday where I live.
22:37 Inocudom They be due to Winter Storm Boreas.
22:38 * RealBadAngel wonders when some1 will become desperate enough to make nodes use meshes
22:39 Inocudom I heard about an attempt to make mesh nodes. Would they drop the framerate less than nodebox models?
22:40 RealBadAngel Inocudom, please hold on for a windows build, i will just update shaders
22:40 Inocudom I know that allfaces_optional nodes drop framerate a bit.
22:40 Inocudom Thank you RealBadAngel.
22:40 RealBadAngel i always wanted to add actual crystals as minerals
22:40 RealBadAngel real crystal formations
22:41 RealBadAngel it could be only possible with meshes
22:41 Inocudom They would surely look very nice. Caves need more decorating.
22:42 RealBadAngel also animation of the nodes will become easy
22:42 RealBadAngel so pumps, workin machines
22:42 Inocudom Animation of nodes is a good reason to use meshes.
22:43 Inocudom In terms of framerate, how do meshes compare to nodebox models?
22:43 Fury well we need someone to do the first one so we can be "inspired" by his code
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22:52 RealBadAngel Inocudom, uploading, please hold on for the link
22:52 Inocudom Okay.
22:52 Inocudom Will it be posted in the topic for your shaders?
22:53 RealBadAngel i will post it there too
22:55 RealBadAngel realbadangel.pl/minetest/shade​rs/minetest-shaders_22_11.zip
22:56 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/minetest/s​haders/minetest-shaders_22_11.zip
22:56 RealBadAngel sorry, now clickable one
22:56 RealBadAngel it contains also Bumped and HavenNG texture packs
22:57 Inocudom Thank you RealBadAngel. I wish oOChainLynxOo would test your shaders, but he isn't around as much these days.
23:00 Inocudom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-NPBL​pl34k&amp;feature=share&amp;list=UUGB​OAQUgqCUtDA-4L4mHVzA&amp;index=1-Here is a video of oOChainLynxOo playing on Redcrab's server.
23:01 Jordach Inocudom, i'm rendering my short right now
23:01 Inocudom I saw something about that in the forums. When you complete it, you should post it there.
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23:06 Jordach Inocudom, i'm struggling over the choice of mg.viewskew or YouTube
23:06 Inocudom Which would be faster? Which would give you less hassle? Which would keep the video longer?
23:07 Jordach YouTUbe
23:07 Jordach Tube*
23:08 Jordach and because i moved all my OLD videos to my G+ profile, i can start anew
23:09 Jordach Inocudom, it takes 1 hour to render ~5 seconds of video
23:10 Inocudom It is that slow?
23:10 Jordach and my first snippet is ~35 seconds long
23:11 Inocudom That will take you 7 hours.
23:12 Jordach Inocudom, some frames contain less things to render
23:13 RealBadAngel Jordach, could you make a mesh that could look like this? --> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zcQ4Q1D9Hc​M/UcPG4Lbms7I/AAAAAAAACls/dvgQAqNdg6​0/s1600/green-crystal-formation.png
23:13 Inocudom Then that means that some frames will render faster. Hopefully, that would drop rendering time by an hour or two.
23:13 RealBadAngel ^^ random googlin for "crystal formation"
23:14 Inocudom Pavel-S used to be around. He would probably be able to make such a model, RealBadAngel.
23:15 Inocudom http://youtu.be/YE4nDQfnXio-This video was made by somebody who is just starting to do Minetest videos.
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23:21 RealBadAngel Inocudom, have you tried the build?
23:22 Inocudom I am about to start it up.
23:30 Inocudom The shaders are doing well and the water and lava look like they should (although the shading lines on they may be a little to dark.) The leaf and plant effects work fine, as does the water wave effect.
23:33 RealBadAngel how about bumpmapping and parallax oclussion?
23:38 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix crash when pressing Enter key in formspec menu 6f851c9692 2013-11-22T15:37:32-08:00 http://git.io/8fyN9g
23:43 iqualfragile so: is there any good minetest mapper out there?
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23:43 Inocudom Those work too.
23:44 Inocudom Parallax mapping and bumpmapping work quite well.
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23:51 VanessaE hi all
23:52 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: Check my fork of the C++ mapper. It only works with a SQLite database though.
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23:54 iqualfragile ShadowNinja: link?
23:54 iqualfragile VanessaE: hi
23:54 iqualfragile thanks for pipeworks, its wonderfull
23:54 VanessaE you're welcome :)
23:54 NekoGloop grrrr
23:55 VanessaE pass that on to nore and Peacock also.  they had a lot to do with making it so good :)
23:55 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest-mapper-cpp
23:55 * NekoGloop just spent the past 3 hours trying to install ubuntu dual-boot
23:55 VanessaE three hours to install ubuntu?  what's gone wrong?
23:56 VanessaE it normally only takes 15-30 mins
23:57 Inocudom It seems that transparent textures in general drop framerate. Does everybody notice this?
23:58 Pentium44 Inocudom, it does
23:58 Inocudom Why is this so?
23:58 NekoGloop VanessaE, windows 8, that's what's gone wrong >.>
23:58 Pentium44 and irrlicht also has an issue with transparentcy...
23:58 PilzAdam dont like transparent textures? use pilztest!
23:59 VanessaE heh
23:59 Pentium44 if you try fading textures using gimp, they come out as nothing
23:59 VanessaE NekoGloop: you sound like you're changing your stance on win vs. linux
23:59 Pentium44 using color to transparent gradients
23:59 NekoGloop windows is perfectly fine
23:59 Pentium44 No.
23:59 NekoGloop linux is better
23:59 Pentium44 very true

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