Time  Nick            Message
00:39 stormchaser3000 hi
00:39 stormchaser3000 is kaeza here
00:44 Pilcrow         does anyone know of an easy way to dump a list of all registered nodes into a file?
00:44 stormchaser3000 um copy and paste
00:45 VanessaE        Pilcrow: turn on debugging and grep debug.txt
00:45 VanessaE        I forget the exact phrase, something like grep for "NodeDefManager" and "registering" in the same line
00:46 VanessaE        sort the results, pipe through uniq
00:46 VanessaE        or maybe it's ItemDefManager
00:48 Pilcrow         ah, thank you, VanessaE. that sounds like what I'm looking for. I'm making a sort of 'e-shop' mod and want to look through what is available in order to decide what to put in the mod's inventory...  :)
00:51 stormchaser3000 vannesa
00:51 stormchaser3000 how do i run the irc mod
00:51 VanessaE        you have to compile it
00:51 stormchaser3000 i did
00:51 VanessaE        it relies on an external library
00:51 VanessaE        there's a quick-install script that comes with it
00:52 stormchaser3000 i ran it
00:52 VanessaE        ad?
00:52 VanessaE        and?
00:52 stormchaser3000 it said there was a file dir missing
00:52 VanessaE        um.
00:52 stormchaser3000 an irc dir
00:52 VanessaE        you know better than that.
00:52 VanessaE        what was the exact text of the error?
00:53 stormchaser3000 here i will rerun it when i get back in 2 hours i have to go
00:53 stormchaser3000 see you then
00:53 VanessaE        ok
00:59 Pilcrow         hmm, VanessaE, adding show_debug = true to my minetest.conf doesn't give me any messages about registering items. did you mean something else by 'turn on debugging'?
01:00 VanessaE        debug_log_level = 4
01:01 Pilcrow         Ah, ok. Thanks. I've never done any of this, so I had to go wiki it. guess I missed something, lol.
01:02 VanessaE        I think :)
01:11 jojoa1997       hi
01:13 Pilcrow         thank you VanessaE. that worked perfectly. maybe I'll actually be able to release this mod...
01:14 VanessaE        Pilcrow: glad I could help :)
01:14 VanessaE        hi jojo
01:14 jojoa1997       Hello VanessaE.
01:15 jojoa1997       so i think minecraft did something smart for once
01:15 cy1             uh oh
01:15 jojoa1997       they enabled minecrafters to livestream with twitch
01:16 cy1             wow, and did they justin beiber too?
01:16 cy1             I remember when livestreaming was called "downloading"
01:18 jojoa1997       and they ruined it
01:18 jojoa1997       my computer cant broadcast or so they say so haha minetest still has better upgrades. even though minecraft is still a good gaem.
01:28 us`0gb          cy1: So that's what livestraming is? I'm still stuck in the past I guess, I still call that downloading.
01:32 jojoa1997       livestreamming is downloading but it is constant
01:36 Pilcrow         livestreaming is also what skype does when you make a video call, but in minecraft's case it would be sending a video of what's on your screen, not what your camera sees...
02:26 MinetestBot     GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Fix usage of 'minetest' where 'engine' was intended e52d811110 2013-11-21T18:24:04-08:00 http://git.io/iks08Q
02:38 cy1             us`0gb: The difference is with livestreaming you can only use a secret program to download and play the movie and it deletes the movie after you played it so you can't enjoy it again.
02:42 us`0gb          cy1: Oh, fun. So something I can't do on my free system then.
02:47 VanessaE        unless you use vlc :P
02:47 VanessaE        I seem to recall it has the ability to rip pretty much anything it can display
02:47 us`0gb          Oh, nice.
02:47 * us`0gb        looks up vlc
02:52 hoodedice       sfan5
02:53 hoodedice       Anyone else: Know where the code for the default inventory is stored?
02:54 us`0gb          It's stored in the player files.
02:54 hoodedice       Hmm.
02:54 us`0gb          <world>/players/<player>
02:54 us`0gb          With some other player data in the files.
02:55 VanessaE        us`0gb: I think he means the Lua code
02:55 Partmedia       hoodedice, wait, the *default* inventory?
02:55 VanessaE        how the formspec is implemented.
02:55 hoodedice       Umm, I don't think I want 'this' code
02:55 hoodedice       Yes, the formspec code
02:55 hoodedice       Not the content code
02:56 hoodedice       Yes, *default* inventory.
02:56 us`0gb          Ah. There's a way to retrieve it's Lua form, but it is in C++, not Lua.
02:56 us`0gb          I'll find the function.
02:56 hoodedice       Hard-coded?
02:56 hoodedice       darn
02:56 Partmedia       Wait, do you mean the "give_initial_stuff" thing?
02:56 us`0gb          hoodedice: It can be reset in Lua.
02:56 hoodedice       nevermind. But how come, DanDucombe managed to add a custom image to his inventory?
02:57 us`0gb          It can be changed in Lua, but it is coded in C++/
02:57 hoodedice       hmm
02:57 us`0gb          Finding function ...
02:57 hoodedice       Chill.
02:57 hoodedice       Nevermind. Not that I can do anything about that.
02:58 us`0gb          hoodedice: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1696
02:58 us`0gb          Both functions are there. One to get the current formspec and one to set a new one.
02:59 hoodedice       Yes, that would be helpful. Thanks
03:01 ShadowNinja     hoodedice: See how UI does it.
03:02 cy1             I don't think vlc can play twitch.tv ... could be wrong...
03:03 hoodedice       VanessaE: I still think UI has problems with creative
03:03 hoodedice       or something
03:04 hoodedice       FIXED!
03:05 Peacock         can i change the water_level after starting a map?
03:05 hoodedice       map_meta.txt
03:05 hoodedice       under world directory
03:05 Peacock         i know where, im asking when i can i do it lol
03:06 hoodedice       I think you can, but the build I'm using has the water and land lvl bug
03:06 Peacock         -i, sorry no sleep and no tv makes homer something something
03:09 hoodedice       VanessaE:
03:09 hoodedice       https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=119166#p119166
03:10 VanessaE        weird
03:10 VanessaE        hoodedice: I don't have that mod inside my copy of realtest.
03:10 hoodedice       Did that game get an update?
03:11 VanessaE        are you using DanDuncombe's version
03:11 VanessaE        ?
03:11 VanessaE        the original by sda97 is outdated.
03:11 VanessaE        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7573
03:11 hoodedice       DanDucombe's
03:12 hoodedice       But mine is kinda old - 16/11. I'll update and see what happens
03:13 VanessaE        commit 911568a346d7312188a14e3a9ef3868d2c488dd1
03:13 VanessaE        Author: DanDuncombe <fishermanduncombe@gmail.com>
03:13 VanessaE        Date:   Thu Nov 21 21:55:29 2013 +0000
03:13 VanessaE        Restored hand range due to complaints
03:13 Peacock         lol hand range, not touching that one :P
03:13 VanessaE        Peacock: get your mind out of the gutter :)
03:14 hoodedice       XD
03:14 Peacock         dont mind me, i got a full four hours of sleep lol
03:17 hoodedice       I say, DanDucombe's git-pic is kinda... https://github.com/DanDuncombe
03:18 Peacock         i dont think he made that himself
03:18 Peacock         theyre sortof, generated
03:18 Peacock         mine looks like a space invader in the same colours
03:18 hoodedice       Yes, but that make's it even more lol
03:18 hoodedice       Dan's looks like a darned middle finger to me
03:19 VanessaE        yep \
03:19 VanessaE        I noticed that
03:19 Peacock         missing a few fingers lol
03:19 VanessaE        that reminds me, I need to push some new map images soon
03:19 hoodedice       Alien middle finger XD
03:20 * ShadowNinja   thought of grass...
03:20 Peacock         i thought it looks like leonardo da vinci painting the mona lisa
03:21 hoodedice       http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Boards/545/19545/284225.jpg
03:22 hoodedice       VanessaE: Newer RealTest Revamped needs the same treatment
03:23 VanessaE        nope.avi
03:23 VanessaE        https://github.com/DanDuncombe/realtest/tree/master/mods
03:23 hoodedice       Yes.mp4
03:23 VanessaE        no "creative" mod in there.
03:23 hoodedice       core > creative.lua
03:24 VanessaE        oh wow
03:24 VanessaE        you're right
03:24 hoodedice       https://github.com/DanDuncombe/realtest/blob/master/mods/core/creative.lua
03:24 hoodedice       Ta Da
03:24 VanessaE        you should post this on the thread for realtest revamped
03:24 hoodedice       Indeed. Already posted on the UI thread.
03:24 Peacock         one wonders why creative is seperate from default in minetest_game as well, it doesn't really have unique files
03:25 Peacock         and it's about as important as mapgen.lua
03:27 Peacock         though i did edit mine to provide a custom creative and non creative inv
03:27 ShadowNinja     hoodedice: From the look of it UI will properly disable that creative inv.
03:27 Peacock         you can shift the rows of the personal inventory like a rolodex
03:27 VanessaE        I've never tried to use UI over realtest
03:28 ShadowNinja     hoodedice: And it's definitely not a UI issue.
03:28 hoodedice       It does disable on the first go, but pressing enter will somehow revert it to stock
03:29 hoodedice       And I think it is indeed not a UI problem
03:30 hoodedice       Plus, the game does not load with said file present
03:31 VanessaE        wha?
03:31 VanessaE        um
03:31 VanessaE        I run that game, not altered, on one of my servers
03:32 hoodedice       Yes, you do and you've granted me privs too
03:40 hoodedice       wait for it...
03:42 * VanessaE      shrugs..  I have no idea why it breaks for you but not for me (the part where you said it won't run at all I mean)
03:43 hoodedice       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfcB4yu_AaY
03:43 hoodedice       Video processing took longer than usual =/
03:45 VanessaE        why do you preload?  that's a waste of time :P
03:45 hoodedice       preload?
03:46 hoodedice       Well, in any case, I hope you got what I mean. The creative thingy is just... I don't know... too much bother
03:46 VanessaE        oh sure
03:46 VanessaE        preload --> "preload item visuals" in your settings menu.
03:46 hoodedice       preload item visuals?
03:46 VanessaE        turn that off.  it's not really needed anymore
03:46 hoodedice       Hmm
03:46 Peacock         why isn't preload needed anymore?
03:47 VanessaE        or I should say, it's not generally needed
03:47 VanessaE        forget the 'anymore' part.
03:47 VanessaE        it just makes the game take longer to start
03:47 Peacock         well it did fix inventory issues when i had a big one, though my space game is pretty minimal
03:48 hoodedice       What about the black patches in the water?
03:49 Peacock         oil
03:49 hoodedice       lol
03:51 Partmedia       hey, can anyone recommend a food mod off the top of their head?
03:52 hoodedice       rubenwardy's basic food mod?
03:52 hoodedice       I don't use any
03:52 * Partmedia     will take a look, thanks!
03:54 hoodedice       liquid_update = 1.0
03:54 hoodedice       Will 0.2 speed it up?
03:55 hoodedice       Yes
04:02 cy1             Partmedia: farming_plus?
04:10 Partmedia       cy1, I've got that, was thinking about more food options, but thanks :D
04:11 Partmedia       cy1, to clarify, for farming_plus, I shouldn't have farming (non-minetest_game version) installed?
04:12 hoodedice       hmm
04:12 hoodedice       The black patches are caused by worldedit
04:15 hoodedice       sfan5
04:59 cy1             Partmedia: baking berry pies is fun. That's in plants_lib
04:59 cy1             There's no meat recipes much b/c mobf wasn't working until recently
05:00 cy1             Partmedia: check the depends.txt for farming_plus I bet it has farming in it.
05:00 Peacock         well i made a mod where you can eat dead players but i never posted it lol
05:00 cy1             Still wish I could figure out fluids...
05:01 cy1             liquid_finite allows stuff to flow and not be frozen initially. but it needs liquid_relax as true and liquid_fast_flow as false to work right.
05:01 Peacock         liquids, simple
05:01 cy1             but in that case, lava source blocks disappear and all the lava starts flowing away.
05:02 cy1             how're you supposed to get obsidian with only flowing lava?
05:02 Peacock         normal liquids were too functional and stable and lag free, so they added finite, and when most people didn't use finite, they found a way to screw up/slow down normal liquids XD
05:03 cy1             pff
05:04 cy1             the only problem with normal liquids is they don't start flowing initially
05:04 cy1             so you have water ceilings
05:04 cy1             and floating lava
05:04 Peacock         yeah, that used to work fine before range
05:04 cy1             range?
05:04 Peacock         hence im working on a game that doesn't have any liquids lol
05:06 Peacock         well i dont have the energy to explain range lol some alternate form of viscosity
05:06 cy1             ah, huh...
05:07 Peacock         well dont ask me, if i understood what purpose it served i could explain it but i dont so i cant :P
05:23 Pilcrow         hey guys. due to some gripes I had with the trader hut from sapier's mobf modpack, I decided to make my own shop mod. it's not quite finished yet, but what do y'all think of this? http://i.imgur.com/XyxrFSY.png
05:50 stormchaser3000 hi
05:51 Peacock         no
05:55 Pilcrow         hmm, quite quiet on here right now.
05:55 Peacock         its the nightshift, all we have are stale doughnuts
05:57 Peacock         plus the only people awake would probably west coast american until the europeans wake up in a few hours
05:57 Pilcrow         eh, I'm in Wisconsin. it's only midnight here...
05:59 Peacock         poor thing, can't you apply for refugee status in a decent part of the country? :P
06:00 Pilcrow         we have cheese curds. that makes up for everything.  ;)
06:00 Peacock         then you must have poutine?
06:01 Peacock         and im not talking about the russian president who does all those shirtless gay photo ops for the media :P
06:01 Peacock         but the fries + gravy + cheese curds thing
06:02 Pilcrow         not in my town, but I've had it before
06:03 Peacock         sucks, youd think with an abundance of cheese curds they would
06:08 Pilcrow         yeah, it's just something that hasn't really caught on here. you can get fried cheese curds at pretty much any resteraunt, car show, or sports event here though, and the plain ones are sold at almost any gas station around...
06:10 Peacock         fried cheese curds? what cheese curds aren't unhealthy enough? lol
06:12 Pilcrow         heh, they're amazing though. a heart attack waiting to happen, sure, but they're so good!
06:14 Peacock         well considering the alcohol, tobacco and caffeine i at least try to eat healthy, (when i eat lol)
06:17 Pilcrow         heh, when you eat? I have that problem too. if I get to working on a project - especially programming - I tend to not realize I haven't eaten all day.  :P
06:18 Peacock         well its been two days at my end lol
06:19 Pilcrow         well that's no good. crazy thought, but maybe you should eat something?  :P
06:23 Peacock         dont worry, we're gonna head down to the bus station and pick up a helpess transient
06:23 Peacock         so much better than horsemeat
06:24 Peacock         :P
06:27 hoodedice       sfan5: I hope you're not too annoyed? ;)
06:27 hoodedice       Thanks
06:27 sfan5           no
06:27 sfan5           it's ok
06:28 Pilcrow         by transient, you mean a homeless person right? not a term I'm familiar with; I actually had to look it up!  :P
06:32 Peacock         yeah i think i picked it up from watching hannibal lol
06:35 Pilcrow         ah, ok. I've never seen it.
06:52 hoodedice       sfan5
06:52 hoodedice       I got your rba build
06:53 hoodedice       Thanks again
06:56 hoodedice       VanessaE:
06:56 hoodedice       Waving_plants and waving_water doesnt work on sfan's latest rba build, however, I'm not getting the red discoloration either
06:58 VanessaE        hrm
06:58 VanessaE        well most plants won't wave by default until minetest_game is modified
06:58 VanessaE        moretrees and plantlife stuff will though
07:01 hoodedice       I'll check that later, but I'm very happy that shaders do work at all now
07:02 hoodedice       Does 256x bumped work without rba's stuff?
07:02 hoodedice       Or does it working mean that shaders DO work?
07:02 hoodedice       I'm so confused XD
07:03 Pilcrow         the waving plants thing really does look nice. unfortunately, I probably won't be able to use it, seeing as my gpu is an onboard AMD 4250 and uses the free linux driver...
07:34 VanessaE        bbl, bed
07:37 Pilcrow         hmm, bed for me too.
08:39 paramat         hi Peacock o/ *waves like water* with preLVM asteroid mod i can get a full world with no shadow bugs by using mapgen v6 with water level set to -40000
08:40 paramat         no terrain generates you spawn in empty space and can't move, have to fly up
08:41 paramat         however hmmmm committed recently that water level no longer defines terrain level so this is just a temporary hacky fix
08:41 paramat         hopefully fixed in 0.4.9 which i hear may be out soon after 0.4.8
08:43 paramat         in singlenode mapgen with water_level = -31000 the glitchy shadows are still there below y = 0
08:44 paramat         i'll report all this in the github issue :)
10:02 JamesTait       Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Go For A Ride Day! :-D
11:28 reactor         OldCoder: o/
11:28 reactor         Anything new?
12:44 reactor         EvergreenTree: Hello, I am a computer program.
12:45 EvergreenTree   reactor,  I knew it all along
12:50 reactor         I am not.
12:50 reactor         I was kiddig.
12:51 reactor         s/ig/ing/
12:51 reactor         You see, I even make typos.
12:51 reactor         john_minetest: there are no kittens.
13:00 EvergreenTree   Except MinetestBot
13:03 reactor         Uh. I don't seem to be familiar with that.
13:03 reactor         Butt? You would like to talk about butts?
13:05 reactor         Monkeys?
13:08 sfan5           hi everyone
13:08 reactor         EHLO.
13:08 reactor         john_minetest: you would like to talk about monkeys and butts?
13:08 reactor         Butt monkeys?
13:08 reactor         Moneky butts?
13:08 reactor         s/ek/ke/
13:09 reactor         But meh, whatever you're into, mate.
13:09 sfan5           meow
13:09 reactor         Oh. I guess you were right, john_minetest.
13:09 reactor         One kitten.
13:09 reactor         But say hello to humans, will you?
13:18 reactor         ?
13:18 reactor         Fuck you.
13:18 reactor         Without nucler energy the world is doomed.
13:18 reactor         Because there is already not enough oil.
13:37 sfan5           yay! my packet arrived
13:38 reactor         sfan5: IP over Pigeon carrier?
13:47 reactor         john_minetest: btw, eh.
13:47 reactor         How's the science?
13:47 sfan5           reactor: no, Product over Mailman
13:47 reactor         oh.
13:47 reactor         s/o/O/
13:55 reactor         Good luck raising the technology.
13:55 reactor         It's been three-four decades since they started trying it, still no luck.
13:56 reactor         We don't have enough technologies for that, but fission reactors are an established thing now.
13:56 reactor         Why not use them while researching fusion?
13:57 reactor         Have I missed something?
14:00 reactor         According to Pediwikia, it only produced a little bit more energy than consumed.
14:00 reactor         Still not practical.
14:14 reactor         By then, we should rely on already existing tech.
14:14 reactor         Oil is gonna run out by 2050.
14:16 pitriss         Hi, I want to ask: Is possible to re-register ABM from another mod?
14:22 reactor         john_minetest: use flash.
14:22 reactor         GNASH is still experimental.
14:22 reactor         And very slow.
14:23 reactor         Btw.
14:23 reactor         Can gnash save flash videos?
14:23 reactor         Can swfdec?
14:34 reactor         You don't have to.
14:34 reactor         nvidia drivers are just drivers for your hardware
14:34 reactor         ms fonts are there for compatibility with shit programs
14:56 hoodedice       Orbiter is better
14:56 hoodedice       Sad.
14:56 hoodedice       Not sad.
14:56 hoodedice       Anyway, with the new build, I was able to generate a water world, now I need to place a block without
14:57 hoodedice       starting a tower fro, the sea-bed
14:57 hoodedice       Indeed, orbiter is a sim, much more enjoyable
14:57 hoodedice       Anyone?
14:57 VanessaE        hoodedice: flowers_plus waterlilies can be placed on water, I believe.  Build off one of those.
14:57 VanessaE        also, hi
14:57 hoodedice       Yo
14:58 hoodedice       I'm looking at a video
14:59 hoodedice       Pioneer,
14:59 hoodedice       I remember it now. Played it a while back
14:59 hoodedice       Twas boring
14:59 hoodedice       =/
14:59 hoodedice       I'll go back to it some other day, when I'm bored XD
15:00 hoodedice       Thanks VanessaE
15:04 hoodedice       john_minetest: Does this thing have combat in it?
15:09 hoodedice       Later peeps
15:14 reactor         aLet reppe s
15:15 reactor         eHll,oP liAzad m
15:25 PilzAdam        Hello everyone!
15:26 VanessaE        hi
15:43 EvergreenTree   o/
15:47 VanessaE        bbl
15:51 paramat         hi Adam, i usually miss you due to being european but nocturnal :)
15:52 PilzAdam        ah, thats why your asteroid mod is pitch black ;-)
15:53 PilzAdam        (https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1015)
15:55 paramat         heehee
15:59 pitriss         Please can anyone help me with git a bit? Is possible to update submodule to specified commit? If yes, how?
15:59 PilzAdam        submodules? sorry, cant help with that
15:59 PilzAdam        I recommend to not use submodules
16:00 paramat         just in case any devs here would like to finally update the wieldhand for 0.4.8 ... https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/218 :)
16:07 troller         pitriss, cd submoduledir; git checkout commit
16:07 troller         PilzAdam, I recommend you to not recommend
16:09 OldCoder        Hi
16:09 pitriss         troller: ok i tried that but i still getting error about: fatal: reference is not a tree. probably copying hash of commit is not enough, right?
16:10 troller         its wrong commit, deleted from tree via push -f
16:10 OldCoder        reactor, nothing new is expected for Pripyat until more people test the latest git client. I need to debug the lockup mentioned previously. After that, when you feel the time is right, I will clone Pripyat and put up a read-write version. After that, it will be up to the community.
16:11 troller         pitriss, first try update parent git
16:11 * OldCoder      is headed to work; it's 8:10am here. He will return online for much of the day.
16:11 pitriss         troller: ahh so normal git pull and then checkout back?
16:12 troller         git pull; git submodule update --init --recursive
16:12 pitriss         troller: oka, thanks:)
16:13 pitriss         *okay
16:22 dafull97        hey guys
16:22 iqualfragile    JamesTait: go for a ride day?
16:22 iqualfragile    hi dafull97
16:22 iqualfragile    are you new to minetest?
16:22 JamesTait       iqualfragile, indeed.  I've been for two today! :)
16:24 dafull97        iqualgragile, i have been playing minetest for a while, 1-2 maybe
16:24 iqualfragile    do you need guidiance? any questions?
16:24 dafull97        nope, just come in to chill haha
16:25 dafull97        who knows about shotguns
16:26 iqualfragile    JamesTait: hby?
16:26 JamesTait       iqualfragile, school runs.  Only about 10 minutes each way to school, but better than nothing. :)
16:46 paramat         back in a few hours, need to sleep :P
16:54 zat             http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/something-to-make-you-cringe-besides-nick-cage-1466085237
17:22 dafull97        hey guys
17:23 rubenwardy      Hi all
17:24 rubenwardy      Now for the ultimate question
17:24 rubenwardy      What do you want to see in a nodebox editor?
17:25 rubenwardy      !tell rubenwardy ha
17:25 MinetestBot     rubenwardy: <rubenwardy> ha
17:25 MinetestBot     rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when rubenwardy is around
17:25 rubenwardy      nice
17:26 dafull97        !tell dafull97 hahahaha
17:26 MinetestBot     dafull97: <dafull97> hahahaha
17:26 MinetestBot     dafull97: I'll pass that on when dafull97 is around
17:26 dafull97        lol
17:26 dafull97        never knew of that feature
17:42 * Jordach       tests the SunSpider 1.0.2
17:43 Jordach         > 672.8ms almost a second on a Pentium 4 with FireFox (notbad.avi)
17:52 rubenwardy      What do you want to see in a nodebox editor?
17:53 ShadowNinja     171.0ms +/- 8.1% :-)
18:14 NekoGloop       geez, debian's going to take several hours to download its boot disc >.>
18:14 Jordach         > debian
18:14 Jordach         > DEBIAN
18:14 Jordach         gj
18:14 NekoGloop       Oh, wait, bittorrent is just being bittorrent
18:14 NekoGloop       Jordach, what
18:19 NekoGloop       30 minutes... no wait 2 hours... no wait 10 minutes... no wait 7 hours...
18:23 thexyz          http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1295544154
18:25 Jordach         DAFUQ
18:25 Jordach         4chan being USEFUL
18:27 ShadowNinja     rubenwardy: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=119184#p119184 <-- Reference the FAQ on the wiki.
18:28 rubenwardy      no
18:28 rubenwardy      It is formatted really really badly
18:28 ShadowNinja     rubenwardy: Then tweak it, but you should reference that one.
18:35 * Jordach       should take texture design as a hobby http://i.imgur.com/YxVTJQ6.png
18:37 thexyz          you should show how it looks in game
18:37 Jordach         ugh
18:37 Jordach         later
18:38 thexyz          sfan5: have you finished s;g?
18:38 sfan5           no...
18:39 thexyz          what ep are you on?
18:39 sfan5           was busy doing things like trying to get an attiny2313 to work
18:39 sfan5           5
18:42 NekoGloop       Jordach, what OS/DE are you using?
18:43 Jordach         Mint 15 w/ XFCE4.x
18:43 iqualfragile    thexyz: 4chan was always usefull
18:43 NekoGloop       ah
18:43 thexyz          sfan5: alright
18:43 NekoGloop       the rat-DE
18:43 thexyz          iqualfragile: at what?
18:43 iqualfragile    for example: killing braincells
18:43 sfan5           thexyz: s/5/6/
18:43 thexyz          stiil too low
18:44 NekoGloop       sfan6?
18:46 thexyz          nice joke
18:46 NekoGloop       well
18:46 NekoGloop       if that command was used and there was a bot in this channel that recognized it
18:46 NekoGloop       it would have returned "<thexyz> sfan6: alright"
18:47 thexyz          and there actually a bot which understands it but this feature is disabled for some reason
18:47 thexyz          talking about features, at least we can have colors now
18:48 Jordach         04C07O08L09O11U12R13S
18:48 thexyz          sfan5: btw, there's also a movie
18:48 thexyz          but now only raw is available
18:49 iqualfragile    Jordach: are you gay?
18:49 thexyz          sfan5: it's chinese camrip released by some russian guys
18:49 thexyz          chinese because it's hardsubbed
18:49 Jordach         iqualfragile, i was stating that we could use COLOURS
18:50 thexyz          and obviously no one is going to TL it
18:50 thexyz          until the BD arrives
18:50 thexyz          oh wait
18:50 thexyz          there are subs actually
18:51 thexyz          wow that quality
18:56 thexyz          hmm
18:56 thexyz          it seems russian subs are better
18:56 Jordach         http://i.imgur.com/gPBtVxC.png
18:56 thexyz          your fonts are shit
18:57 Jordach         <- english
18:57 Jordach         i don't need your shitty craptype
18:57 thexyz          haha have fun breaking your eyes fagg^W
18:57 Jordach         thexyz, doesn't affect mine
18:57 thexyz          when you notice it it'll be too late
18:58 NekoGloop       Jord PureBDTest
18:59 Jordach         NekoGloop, i was watching a let's play of LoZ Wind Waker HD
19:01 Jordach         except i'm taking away the AA
19:07 rubenwardy      thexyz, can you set $wgAllowUserCss to true on wiki.minetest.net?
19:07 rubenwardy      https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowUserCss
19:10 thexyz          why?
19:11 rubenwardy      so I can use the <style> tag
19:11 rubenwardy      It would help on the main page too
19:13 thexyz          I don't understand
19:13 thexyz          what do you need it for?
19:13 rubenwardy      http://wiki.minetest.net/User:Rubenwardy/FAQ
19:14 rubenwardy      actually, using mediawiki tables might be easier
19:17 thexyz          rubenwardy: the documentation is weird on that one but it seems it will only affect you
19:23 sfan5           Atmel USB drivers are a pain in the a** to install....
19:23 Jordach         sfan5, for me it's SanDisk or bust
19:23 Jordach         or Seagate for Externals
19:24 Jordach         http://i.imgur.com/xS6smNg.png :D
19:24 sfan5           I can't program my ATtiny2313 without Atmel's drivers
19:24 thexyz          eh
19:24 NekoGloop       and now to install derpian...
19:24 thexyz          well keep trying
19:24 Jordach         HAHA
19:24 thexyz          NekoGloop: what do you need it for?
19:25 sfan5           it does not work on linux for some unknown reason..
19:25 NekoGloop       I need a linux VM for a class
19:26 NekoGloop       someone in the class recommended debian
19:26 NekoGloop       so meh
19:26 thexyz          what class?
19:26 OldCoder        NekoGloop, explain
19:26 OldCoder        NekoGloop, I use VirtualBox
19:26 OldCoder        I am running Windows in it right this minute
19:26 NekoGloop       CIS130 - Operating Systems
19:26 OldCoder        I have posted a post before about how to VM Windows 7
19:27 OldCoder        One caution: Use VDI disk format NOT VMWare format
19:27 NekoGloop       why?
19:27 thexyz          it sets sane disk format by default so you don't need to change it
19:28 NekoGloop       Oh, right, duh
19:28 * rubenwardy    is writing the draging ui editor code for the new Nodebox editor
19:28 rubenwardy      What do you want to see in a nodebox editor?
19:29 rubenwardy      The new version draws the draggers, instead of adding them as a gui component
19:29 EvergreenTree   WEll, I want the save button to work
19:29 EvergreenTree   :P
19:29 rubenwardy      Lol
19:29 rubenwardy      Assume it works
19:29 EvergreenTree   Hmm
19:29 EvergreenTree   Let me see
19:29 twoelk          what does it save to?
19:30 rubenwardy      Exports to lua code, or saves as a .nbe file
19:30 rubenwardy      (NodeBoxEditor)
19:30 twoelk          how about adding the wim format?
19:30 rubenwardy      maybe .mtnbe
19:30 rubenwardy      What is that?
19:30 rubenwardy      I could do
19:30 twoelk          wield item thingie
19:30 EvergreenTree   I'd also like to see those extra functions under "edit" sections working
19:30 * OldCoder      will bbiab but he finds VirtualBox to be good
19:30 rubenwardy      no, what is the format
19:30 * OldCoder      tests Windows Minetest that way
19:31 twoelk          so both editors can work together
19:31 rubenwardy      edit?
19:31 EvergreenTree   Also, I'd like to be able to control the view by clicking and dragging
19:31 rubenwardy      edit sections?
19:31 rubenwardy      ok
19:31 EvergreenTree   Like "texture tool"  "node tool" and such
19:31 rubenwardy      Middle mouse button to move viewports?
19:31 rubenwardy      ok
19:32 rubenwardy      Those will be :P
19:32 EvergreenTree   Only for the view in the top left
19:32 EvergreenTree   Instead of the arrow keys
19:32 ShadowNinja     rubenwardy: The ability to rotate the camera around the nodebox and drag handles from that view.
19:32 thexyz          rubenwardy: can you add some cute girls there?
19:33 EvergreenTree   ShadowNinja, You already can, only with arrow keys though
19:33 ShadowNinja     With the mouse button then. :-)
19:34 Jordach         rubenwardy, stop stretching the texture too
19:34 rubenwardy      That would be a later feature, ShadowNinja
19:34 rubenwardy      As in the nodebox texture?
19:34 rubenwardy      I will use texture projection like mt
19:35 rubenwardy      Maybe not in this version
19:35 rubenwardy      But when I make the texture tool
19:36 thexyz          (my feature requests always get ignored)
19:36 thexyz          (for obscure or no reason)
19:36 rubenwardy      You havent made any yet
19:36 rubenwardy      Oh, the girls
19:38 rubenwardy      Sorry, thexyz, no can do
19:38 rubenwardy      So: WIM format
19:38 rubenwardy      Middle mouse button to move viewports
19:38 rubenwardy      Drag handles in perspective
19:38 thexyz          okay -(
19:39 Calinou         <thexyz> rubenwardy: can you add some cute girls there?
19:39 * Calinou       smells Nodebox Editor Shizuku edition already
19:40 Calinou         like CrystalDiskMark
19:43 twoelk          How about Sproxel, maybe if it could import and export .sxl files directly
19:44 rubenwardy      .sxl?
19:44 twoelk          the format this uses https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7102
19:45 Jordach         eww
19:45 twoelk          maybe with an option to clean up all the little boxes
19:46 rubenwardy      Might add support for that!
19:46 VanessaE        *skims scrollback...*
19:46 rubenwardy      is Minetest nodebox file (*.*) = init.lua?
19:47 VanessaE        [11-22 13:14] <NekoGloop> geez, debian's going to take several hours to download its boot disc >.>  <---  wait, what?  neko downloading debian now?!
19:47 NekoGloop       continue reading
19:47 twoelk          iirc
19:47 VanessaE        "rat de".  heh
19:48 VanessaE        I figured it was a school thing.
19:48 VanessaE        who knows, you might take a liking to id
19:48 VanessaE        it*
19:48 PilzAdam        NekoGloop runs linux now?
19:48 Jordach         there's nothing wrong wtih xfce
19:49 thexyz          oh hey i have a pic
19:50 thexyz          NekoGloop: http://i.imgur.com/LdcdUrG.png
19:50 rubenwardy      Wow the WIM format is ugly
19:50 thexyz          aloonix still best distro though
19:51 NekoGloop       apt description of arch linux
19:53 thexyz          arch is nice if you know what you're doing but some fags think it's cool to suggest to newcomers
19:53 ShadowNinja     ...
19:53 PilzAdam        "freetards"
19:54 ShadowNinja     Arch is definitely not a distro for people new to Linux.
19:56 NekoGloop       how do run bash script
19:56 VanessaE        NekoGloop:   ./filename.sh
19:56 VanessaE        or type the full path to it
19:56 NekoGloop       well that makes sense
19:56 twoelk          just had a look; the Sproxel format *.sxl is a zipped json table
19:56 thexyz          bloat http://i.imgur.com/1wfZs8A.png
19:56 VanessaE        john_minetest: I assumed it was
19:57 Jordach         or for an unattended instance, screen sh ./<filename>.sh then press CTRL + A, D
19:57 rubenwardy      Just look at the .win file: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=119240#p119240
19:57 Jordach         .wim*
19:57 rubenwardy      thanks :P
19:58 VanessaE        good point.
19:58 NekoGloop       actually it's Vbox's guest additions
19:58 NekoGloop       which debian is derping about
19:59 VanessaE        are you in X yet?
19:59 NekoGloop       wuzzat
19:59 VanessaE        the gui
19:59 NekoGloop       yes
19:59 NekoGloop       yes I've tried double-clicking the fiel
19:59 NekoGloop       file
20:00 VanessaE        ok, there's a menu option in virtualbox's menu that will do that for you
20:00 NekoGloop       yes it's permission 777
20:00 VanessaE        don't bother trying to run the file inside the debian guest
20:00 VanessaE        tell the host to do it :)
20:00 NekoGloop       that's how you install it
20:00 VanessaE        hm, guess it's been too long for me then
20:01 twoelk          rubenwardy: just remembering some trouble I had with Sproxel, some flipping, rotating and mirroring features might be usefull
20:01 NekoGloop       you tell vbox to put in its iso and then you run the bash script from the "disk"
20:01 VanessaE        since it's .sh, I guess just run it in a terminal in the guest
20:01 NekoGloop       technically it's .run but it's a bash script
20:01 thexyz          NekoGloop: ARE YOU ENJOYING IT ALREADY?
20:01 NekoGloop       I've tried running it from terminal
20:02 Jordach         thexyz, stfu arch user
20:02 NekoGloop       I blame xfce
20:02 VanessaE        NekoGloop: oh ok, well same difference really
20:02 VanessaE        what's the problem?
20:02 thexyz          Jordach: I don't use arch though
20:02 NekoGloop       It tries opening it in mousepad?
20:02 thexyz          I will on my laptop when they fix it
20:03 rubenwardy      twoelk, noted
20:03 rubenwardy      bye all
20:03 VanessaE        NekoGloop: ok, right.  in that case run it manually like john said.   sh filename.run
20:04 VanessaE        (yes, there are still too many linux progs that require the command line to get started)
20:05 thexyz          IIRC
20:05 thexyz          you can just double click it
20:06 VanessaE        thexyz: apparently xfce treats a .run file as text and opens in an editor.
20:06 thexyz          it's broken then
20:06 VanessaE        (probably because the file is not marked as executable)
20:06 NekoGloop       oh it's marked as executable
20:06 thexyz          it should be because virtualbox guys aren't stupid
20:06 PilzAdam        VanessaE, can you change that?
20:06 VanessaE        NekoGloop: ls -la filename.run  ....do you see  rwxr-xr-x at the left?
20:07 thexyz          lol
20:07 VanessaE        PilzAdam: yes, but I forget how
20:07 thexyz          just double click it, damn
20:07 VanessaE        thexyz: he did.  it opened in an editor.
20:07 NekoGloop       well
20:07 NekoGloop       r-xr-xr-x
20:07 VanessaE        ok, good enough
20:07 VanessaE        go to a terminal and just   ./filename.run
20:08 VanessaE        (or the full path if you're not in the same folder0
20:08 NekoGloop       mmmm
20:08 NekoGloop       it's working now
20:09 VanessaE        watch for any errors (afaik it runs entirely in the terminal).  When it's done, you'll need to tell the guest to restart.
20:09 NekoGloop       well
20:09 NekoGloop       when I tried to log out
20:09 NekoGloop       *boom*
20:09 VanessaE        "boom"?
20:10 VanessaE        define "boom"
20:10 NekoGloop       "boom" as in "VirtualBox.exe has stopped working"
20:10 VanessaE        eek
20:10 VanessaE        well at least you can't blame linux for that one ;)
20:10 VanessaE        ok, gotta go.  bbl.
20:10 Calinou         .run?
20:11 Calinou         bye VanessaE
20:11 thexyz          because
20:11 thexyz          that's not how you get linux
20:11 Calinou         what did NekoGloop try to do?
20:11 Calinou         .run is terrible usually
20:11 VanessaE        thexyz: school project.  this is the best option for him -- provided vbox works right
20:12 thexyz          and Calinou is right, vbox additions are in repos
20:12 Calinou         I never had to install these
20:12 thexyz          yes, it's possible that those are already installed
20:12 NekoGloop       I want the virtual machine's screen to resize to the window
20:12 NekoGloop       literally all i want
20:13 VanessaE        bbl
20:13 thexyz          it should do that
20:13 NekoGloop       yeah right no
20:17 Calinou         NekoGloop, Host+F?
20:17 Calinou         host is right ctrl I think
20:17 Calinou         or right alt
20:18 NekoGloop       nope
20:18 NekoGloop       fullscreen yes, but not 1366 x 768
20:27 keesj           Hi, I am stuck somewhere and want to "start over"/respawn. do I need to install a mod or can I repawn in the game?
20:27 keesj           ubuntu 13.10 / 0.4.7+repack-2
20:28 keesj           I read about a mod on the forum where you do something like ~/respawn in the chat window. but as I am very new to this game I don't really know what I need to do
20:29 keesj           (I never played minecraft either) but as dad I must start playing minetest :p
20:29 PilzAdam        keesj, the only way to "respawn" in the default game is when you die
20:31 keesj           and the "run_in_space" thing? is that a compile time configuration or can I change that?
20:31 PilzAdam        you mean RUN_IN_PLACE?
20:32 thexyz          I'm sure everyone has already seen this
20:32 keesj           Damm yes sorry about that. not what I want either
20:32 thexyz          > When your code has undefined behavior, you get a seg fault and corrupted data. When Jeff Dean's code has undefined behavior, a unicorn rides in on a rainbow and gives everybody free ice cream.
20:33 thexyz          https://plus.google.com/+KentonVarda/posts/TSDhe5CvaFe
20:33 Peacock         chuck norris never segfaults
20:34 thexyz          > During his own Google interview, Jeff Dean was asked the implications if P=NP were true. He said, "P = 0 or N = 1." Then, before the interviewer had even finished laughing, Jeff examined Google’s public certificate and wrote the private key on the whiteboard.
20:47 Peacock         daaaamn http://youtu.be/HFrgSVoJi1U
20:49 keesj           PilzAdam: thanks for the help! I now copy/pasted the repawn script https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1203 in a ~/.minixtest/mods/keesj/init.lua , added an empty depend.txt and was able to enable the mod in the configuration screen!
21:00 Peacock         anyone seen grog around lately? its been a while
21:00 harrison        sounds like a rum to-do all round
21:05 harrison        rum ... grog...
21:05 harrison        see what the harrison did there?
21:10 jojoa1997       hi
21:15 iqualfragile    hi jojoa1997
21:16 jojoa1997       hi iqualfragile
21:30 * Jordach       thinks Jordach should get around to making a 1080p short now
21:33 sfan5           github is broken, exactly now when I need it!
21:34 Jordach         meow
21:37 * NekoGloop     noms github
21:42 * NekoGloop     gives up on debian -- switches to installing ubuntu on the VM
21:49 Jordach         Taoki, the camera keyframes are fucking awesome (i haven't given it a parent bone!)
21:50 Jordach         hello paramat
21:50 paramat         hi :)
21:51 Jordach         http://i.imgur.com/jYa4tXk.png
21:51 Jordach         paramat, ^ new model
21:53 paramat         good work J, thats more to my taste
21:54 Jordach         paramat, current model is super smoothed, hair and skin
21:55 Jordach         paramat, i just gave up trying, found a replacement model which IMO looks better, angular joints and has FINGERS: http://i.imgur.com/VZgWloS.png
22:16 Jordach         Tux[QQL], dafuq
22:17 Tux[Qyou]       Jordach, dafuq
22:17 Jordach         im talking about the [Qyou] and [QQL] part
22:17 Tux[Qyou]       guess what the Q stands for
22:18 Jordach         uhm
22:18 Jordach         i don't know :D
22:21 Jordach         PilzAdam, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=119247#p119247
22:21 Jordach         your question is answered
22:29 paramat         apologies J, i am impossible to please when it comes to player models, anything more detailed than in-game animation looks wrong to me ;)
22:31 Taoki           Jordach: Anything can be keyframed. It's an useful feature
22:32 Fury            I would actually like that player model without the fingers
22:32 Fury            angular joints but no fingers
22:34 Fury            would make for better crouching stances, sitting if they are ever done. swimming, etc
22:36 Inocudom        The Zamboey Winds will be blowing like the devil Saturday and Sunday where I live.
22:37 Inocudom        They be due to Winter Storm Boreas.
22:38 * RealBadAngel  wonders when some1 will become desperate enough to make nodes use meshes
22:39 Inocudom        I heard about an attempt to make mesh nodes. Would they drop the framerate less than nodebox models?
22:40 RealBadAngel    Inocudom, please hold on for a windows build, i will just update shaders
22:40 Inocudom        I know that allfaces_optional nodes drop framerate a bit.
22:40 Inocudom        Thank you RealBadAngel.
22:40 RealBadAngel    i always wanted to add actual crystals as minerals
22:40 RealBadAngel    real crystal formations
22:41 RealBadAngel    it could be only possible with meshes
22:41 Inocudom        They would surely look very nice. Caves need more decorating.
22:42 RealBadAngel    also animation of the nodes will become easy
22:42 RealBadAngel    so pumps, workin machines
22:42 Inocudom        Animation of nodes is a good reason to use meshes.
22:43 Inocudom        In terms of framerate, how do meshes compare to nodebox models?
22:43 Fury            well we need someone to do the first one so we can be "inspired" by his code
22:52 RealBadAngel    Inocudom, uploading, please hold on for the link
22:52 Inocudom        Okay.
22:52 Inocudom        Will it be posted in the topic for your shaders?
22:53 RealBadAngel    i will post it there too
22:55 RealBadAngel    realbadangel.pl/minetest/shaders/minetest-shaders_22_11.zip
22:56 RealBadAngel    http://realbadangel.pl/minetest/shaders/minetest-shaders_22_11.zip
22:56 RealBadAngel    sorry, now clickable one
22:56 RealBadAngel    it contains also Bumped and HavenNG texture packs
22:57 Inocudom        Thank you RealBadAngel. I wish oOChainLynxOo would test your shaders, but he isn't around as much these days.
23:00 Inocudom        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-NPBLpl34k&feature=share&list=UUGBOAQUgqCUtDA-4L4mHVzA&index=1-Here is a video of oOChainLynxOo playing on Redcrab's server.
23:01 Jordach         Inocudom, i'm rendering my short right now
23:01 Inocudom        I saw something about that in the forums. When you complete it, you should post it there.
23:06 Jordach         Inocudom, i'm struggling over the choice of mg.viewskew or YouTube
23:06 Inocudom        Which would be faster? Which would give you less hassle? Which would keep the video longer?
23:07 Jordach         YouTUbe
23:07 Jordach         Tube*
23:08 Jordach         and because i moved all my OLD videos to my G+ profile, i can start anew
23:09 Jordach         Inocudom, it takes 1 hour to render ~5 seconds of video
23:10 Inocudom        It is that slow?
23:10 Jordach         and my first snippet is ~35 seconds long
23:11 Inocudom        That will take you 7 hours.
23:12 Jordach         Inocudom, some frames contain less things to render
23:13 RealBadAngel    Jordach, could you make a mesh that could look like this? --> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zcQ4Q1D9HcM/UcPG4Lbms7I/AAAAAAAACls/dvgQAqNdg60/s1600/green-crystal-formation.png
23:13 Inocudom        Then that means that some frames will render faster. Hopefully, that would drop rendering time by an hour or two.
23:13 RealBadAngel    ^^ random googlin for "crystal formation"
23:14 Inocudom        Pavel-S used to be around. He would probably be able to make such a model, RealBadAngel.
23:15 Inocudom        http://youtu.be/YE4nDQfnXio-This video was made by somebody who is just starting to do Minetest videos.
23:21 RealBadAngel    Inocudom, have you tried the build?
23:22 Inocudom        I am about to start it up.
23:30 Inocudom        The shaders are doing well and the water and lava look like they should (although the shading lines on they may be a little to dark.) The leaf and plant effects work fine, as does the water wave effect.
23:33 RealBadAngel    how about bumpmapping and parallax oclussion?
23:38 MinetestBot     GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix crash when pressing Enter key in formspec menu 6f851c9692 2013-11-22T15:37:32-08:00 http://git.io/8fyN9g
23:43 iqualfragile    so: is there any good minetest mapper out there?
23:43 Inocudom        Those work too.
23:44 Inocudom        Parallax mapping and bumpmapping work quite well.
23:51 VanessaE        hi all
23:52 ShadowNinja     iqualfragile: Check my fork of the C++ mapper. It only works with a SQLite database though.
23:54 iqualfragile    ShadowNinja: link?
23:54 iqualfragile    VanessaE: hi
23:54 iqualfragile    thanks for pipeworks, its wonderfull
23:54 VanessaE        you're welcome :)
23:54 NekoGloop       grrrr
23:55 VanessaE        pass that on to nore and Peacock also.  they had a lot to do with making it so good :)
23:55 ShadowNinja     iqualfragile: https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest-mapper-cpp
23:55 * NekoGloop     just spent the past 3 hours trying to install ubuntu dual-boot
23:55 VanessaE        three hours to install ubuntu?  what's gone wrong?
23:56 VanessaE        it normally only takes 15-30 mins
23:57 Inocudom        It seems that transparent textures in general drop framerate. Does everybody notice this?
23:58 Pentium44       Inocudom, it does
23:58 Inocudom        Why is this so?
23:58 NekoGloop       VanessaE, windows 8, that's what's gone wrong >.>
23:58 Pentium44       and irrlicht also has an issue with transparentcy...
23:58 PilzAdam        dont like transparent textures? use pilztest!
23:59 VanessaE        heh
23:59 Pentium44       if you try fading textures using gimp, they come out as nothing
23:59 VanessaE        NekoGloop: you sound like you're changing your stance on win vs. linux
23:59 Pentium44       using color to transparent gradients
23:59 NekoGloop       windows is perfectly fine
23:59 Pentium44       No.
23:59 NekoGloop       linux is better
23:59 Pentium44       very true