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Time Nick Message
00:03 OldCoder Are there any comments on these mods: Concrete, Desert Uses, Currency, Money2 ??
00:03 OldCoder Or Mob NPC?
00:04 OldCoder Inquiring Server Admins Want to Know!
00:04 OldCoder We are building worlds for YOU :P
00:05 OldCoder WHOA... A world started without crashing! bbiab folks
00:05 us}0gb If I remember correctly, currency and money2 are great. Concrete is unobtrusive. Desert uses is a matter of opinion. Some like it, some don't.
00:05 us}0gb "Bbiab"?
00:05 kaeza you'd have to be more specific; there are like thousands of "concrete" mods
00:05 OldCoder us}0gb, That means be back in a bit
00:06 OldCoder kaeza, That is useful information
00:06 OldCoder So out it goes for now
00:06 OldCoder kaeza, the world is probably messed up but Zegaton has started without crashing. Testing now.
00:06 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PASqLy0cpio
00:12 OldCoder 17:09:38: ERROR[ServerThread]: Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "farming:wheat" at (-74,9,-209) (block (-5,0,-14))
00:12 OldCoder It almost works. Any comment on that?
00:12 OldCoder Hmm
00:12 OldCoder I think it is sort of working
00:13 OldCoder Media load is very slow
00:13 OldCoder Still D:
00:13 us}0gb THat means something is trying to set it to an undefined node. It's probably an issue in farming or your copy of it.
00:13 OldCoder It can be worked out later
00:13 OldCoder Hmm... I will try curl
00:14 PilzAdam OldCoder, you can set up a http server (or ftp) that has all the media files, and point the server to it so it can tell the client to download from that via curl, that is a lot faster
00:14 john_minetest cya
00:14 OldCoder PilzAdam, yes; I did this in the past to make Ambience feasible
00:14 OldCoder Wanted to get a base copy to work first this time
00:15 OldCoder So basically I symlink all images and sound files there... but there will be overlapping names won't there? PilzAdam
00:15 OldCoder PilzAdam, As I have disabled Ambience initially which media is taking all the time?
00:16 PilzAdam mostly textures and sounds
00:17 OldCoder Under Windows where does the cache go if one uses a default configuration?
00:17 OldCoder I believe the files are downloading but I don't see them
00:17 OldCoder (I am testing my WIn32 client using Wine)
00:18 PilzAdam in the minetest folder in cache/
00:18 OldCoder Hmm... not appearing. Would anybody care to see if this works:
00:18 OldCoder Server minetest.org Port 30015 must use latest client
00:18 OldCoder
00:18 OldCoder Or can't connect; according to VanessaE
00:19 PilzAdam !up minetest.org 30015
00:19 MinetestBot minetest.org:30015 is up (433ms)
00:19 VanessaE works for me.
00:19 VanessaE OldCoder:
00:19 PilzAdam yep, I can connect too
00:19 VanessaE old clients can't connect to newer servers is the issue
00:19 OldCoder Well, try it out
00:19 VanessaE new clients can connect to old servers fine
00:19 OldCoder Tell me how messed up it is. VanessaE I just built a brand new WIn32 client. I will debug it.
00:20 OldCoder I would much appreciate remarks about what mods to add or change.
00:20 OldCoder Please look around. I will repeat this request over the next few days.
00:20 PilzAdam do you run mobf?
00:20 OldCoder This is Zegaton running with probably wrong mods
00:20 OldCoder Checking
00:20 OldCoder Wait
00:20 OldCoder I will repost the world.mt
00:20 VanessaE still receiving media..
00:20 OldCoder Which has the mods
00:21 PilzAdam Im pretty sure you do, since I download the models for mobf
00:21 PilzAdam anyway, mobf is mostly not playable on server, because of too high lag
00:21 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/worldmt.txt
00:21 OldCoder Heh
00:21 OldCoder Try it
00:21 OldCoder MY server is pretty good
00:21 OldCoder But I will turn it off
00:22 PilzAdam btw, models are not cached
00:22 OldCoder Ah!
00:22 OldCoder Turned OFF then
00:22 OldCoder On next restart
00:22 OldCoder PilzAdam, VanessaE, NakedFury others pls feel free to review and correct:
00:22 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/worldmt.txt
00:23 OldCoder That plus latest minetest_game is being used on the test world
00:23 VanessaE eek
00:23 OldCoder Heh?
00:23 VanessaE almost as many mods as my servers LD
00:23 VanessaE :D
00:23 OldCoder Well, you may edit the list!
00:23 OldCoder I have turned off mobf as of next restart
00:23 VanessaE no reason to if they all work ok :)
00:24 PilzAdam 01:24:03: ERROR[main]: Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "farming:wheat" at (27,20,-96) (block (1,1,-6))
00:24 OldCoder OK. Now, regarding curl... there is a problem. If files have conflicting names there is an issue right?
00:24 OldCoder Yep
00:24 OldCoder It seems to continue past that
00:24 OldCoder How should I fix it?
00:24 OldCoder Whose farming and farming+ should be used?
00:24 NakedFury OldCoder, where do I download your version?
00:24 OldCoder Of the windows client?
00:24 OldCoder Of what NakedFury ?
00:25 NakedFury yep
00:25 OldCoder The worlds? SQLite3 will be made available
00:25 PilzAdam farming is in minetest_game, and farming_plus is an additional mod
00:25 OldCoder I will upload the Windows client now
00:25 OldCoder Hm!
00:25 NakedFury ohh
00:25 VanessaE OldCoder: yes, in which case you have to figure out which copy gets sent last normally.  The easiest solution is to just exclude those files from your remote media server
00:25 OldCoder Hang on let me post the Windows client
00:25 OldCoder Then I will restart with Curl and without Farming
00:25 OldCoder as it is in minetest_game
00:25 OldCoder This will take about 10 minutes
00:26 OldCoder VanessaE, let me know if you get in
00:26 OldCoder 15 minutes... I will fix something
00:26 VanessaE I am in.
00:27 OldCoder Look around and suggest changes
00:27 OldCoder Farming glitches should go away after I drop outdated Farming
00:27 VanessaE OldCoder: your hand does not work correctly - no continuous digging.
00:27 OldCoder Well, suggest fixes if you can
00:27 PilzAdam bye
00:27 * OldCoder prepares Win32 client
00:27 VanessaE and some unknown nodes over at 112,2,19   (might be ice?)
00:27 OldCoder VanessaE, we will figure it out
00:28 OldCoder NakedFury, Allow a few minutes. I am going to try to pregenerate a cache.
00:28 VanessaE or possibly seaweed/waterlilies (flowers_plus mod, in plantlife modpack)
00:28 NakedFury ok
00:28 OldCoder Review the mod list VanessaE and suggest what to drop or update
00:28 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/worldmt.txt
00:28 VanessaE load_mod_flowers_plus = false   <--- change this
00:29 OldCoder Very well!
00:29 OldCoder Link for flowers+ ?
00:29 VanessaE left #minetest
00:29 VanessaE joined #minetest
00:29 VanessaE oops
00:30 OldCoder Link for flowers+ ?
00:30 VanessaE OldCoder: updte your copy of plantlife modpack from https://github.com/VanessaE/plantlife ( git@github.com:VanessaE/plantlife.git )
00:30 VanessaE update*
00:30 OldCoder Proceeding
00:30 VanessaE and be sure to enable bushes_classic
00:30 OldCoder But are flowers plus in there?
00:31 VanessaE yep
00:34 OldCoder Working on all of this
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00:37 OldCoder iqualfragile, Hi
00:39 OldCoder VanessaE, I see no bush in world.mt
00:39 OldCoder Oh! Wait!
00:39 OldCoder NakedFury, this may not finish tonight but we are on it!
00:39 NakedFury ok
00:40 iqualfragile Hello OldCoder long time no see
00:40 OldCoder iqualfragile, I have been here but took a while to move forward
00:41 * OldCoder is working on this
00:41 VanessaE OldCoder: add it :)   bushes_classic
00:42 OldCoder I found it
00:42 OldCoder It got added after I updated the mod
00:42 OldCoder Now figuring out why cache folder doesn't appear with the Win32 client
00:44 OldCoder OK do I need to specify curl server on client side?
00:44 OldCoder I forget
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00:46 OldCoder Do I need to do anything on client side for curl except build with curl support?
00:48 OldCoder HMm cache is filling this time
00:49 OldCoder 17:49:11: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Could not load image "moretrees_fir_sapling.png" while building texture
00:49 OldCoder 17:49:11: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Creating a dummy image for "moretrees_fir_sapling.png"
00:49 OldCoder 17:49:11: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Could not load image "farming_wheat.png" while building texture
00:49 OldCoder 17:49:11: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Creating a dummy image for "farming_wheat.png"
00:49 OldCoder Those are the only warnings
00:49 OldCoder was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
00:49 Peacock saw that coming lol
00:49 OldCoder joined #minetest
00:49 OldCoder Sorry
00:49 OldCoder So I need to add two images from somewhere
00:50 OldCoder Anybody know where to find them?
00:50 OldCoder Reviewing my old ZIP files
00:50 OldCoder VanessaE, NakedFury This might actually work
00:51 OldCoder I found farming_wheat.png in an old version of farming. Was this image dropped from minetest_game ?
00:52 VanessaE joined #minetest
00:52 OldCoder VanessaE, Interesting trivial glitch
00:52 OldCoder Nvm working on it
00:53 OldCoder
00:54 OldCoder The minetest_game version of farming includes farming_wheat.png and yet this message appears:
00:54 OldCoder 17:49:11: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Creating a dummy image for "farming_wheat.png"
00:54 OldCoder Does anybody know why this may be?
00:55 VanessaE that's a bit odd all right
00:55 OldCoder Well, continuing
00:55 OldCoder I assume that I should update moretrees
00:55 OldCoder regarding the other message
00:56 OldCoder That would be YOURS VanessaE :-)
00:56 OldCoder I last updated it in September...
00:56 OldCoder It is not part of minetest_game right?
00:57 VanessaE yeah, you'll want to update moretrees :)
00:57 VanessaE nope, minetest_game is pretty plain
00:57 OldCoder Working
00:58 OldCoder moretrees_fir_sapling.png
00:58 OldCoder VanessaE, that file does not exist
00:58 OldCoder Did it exist in the past? Is that the reason for an error message I see?
00:58 OldCoder Oh!
00:58 OldCoder Found it
00:58 VanessaE OldCoder: O RLY? ;)   https://github.com/VanessaE/moretrees/blob​/master/textures/moretrees_fir_sapling.png
00:59 OldCoder Yes I found it
00:59 OldCoder Will retest
01:06 OldCoder VanessaE, I am seeing the image error messages despite the presence of the images
01:06 OldCoder Just those images and a couple of others
01:06 OldCoder Odd
01:07 OldCoder Any thoughts anybody? Scroll up for error messages
01:12 VanessaE strange
01:12 VanessaE unless there's a path issue somewhere?
01:12 OldCoder I am presently downloading media
01:12 OldCoder The other media is not producing errors
01:12 OldCoder And permissions should be correct
01:12 OldCoder The files are symlinked into the curl folder
01:13 * OldCoder shrugs
01:13 OldCoder One step at a time
01:13 OldCoder VanessaE, Is anything needed on the client side to enable curl... except to build it in?
01:13 OldCoder Files are downloading quite slowly
01:13 OldCoder But my curl www folder is there and seems to work
01:14 VanessaE that's all it should need, yes
01:14 VanessaE oh wait!
01:14 VanessaE I remember
01:14 VanessaE fuck I forgot to tell you, don't use remote_media at all
01:14 VanessaE it's busted
01:14 OldCoder Ah!
01:15 VanessaE it sometimes does not send files at the right time
01:15 OldCoder Now you tell me :-)
01:15 OldCoder So no curl??
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01:15 VanessaE when kahrl gets his http_fetch code pushed to master, THEN you can use it.
01:15 OldCoder We are back to slow and so on?
01:15 VanessaE yeah, no cURL, at least not on the server - just turn off the remote_media feature in the server config
01:15 OldCoder Yes
01:15 OldCoder Hmm
01:16 OldCoder Does not explain the wheat image issue
01:16 VanessaE I've mostly seen this happen with .x files since those get sent every time a person connects.
01:16 VanessaE kahrl: why aren't those cached anyway?
01:17 kahrl what suggests to you they aren't?
01:18 OldCoder Hmm
01:18 OldCoder Can I get his code and use it?
01:19 kahrl OldCoder: the code has to be installed on the client
01:19 OldCoder That is fine kaeza
01:19 OldCoder That is fine kahrl *
01:19 OldCoder I built one just now
01:20 kahrl well sure then
01:20 OldCoder But did VanessaE not say it was a server issue?
01:20 OldCoder Or perhaps not
01:20 OldCoder kahrl, If there is a patch I shall try it
01:20 kahrl https://github.com/kahrl/m​inetest/commits/httpfetch
01:20 kahrl although I didn't rebase that in ages
01:20 OldCoder So it will not apply?
01:20 kahrl dunno
01:21 OldCoder I will see now
01:21 OldCoder Hmm!
01:21 OldCoder The image errors went away
01:21 OldCoder bbiab
01:22 OldCoder I forget. How do I get that as a patch?
01:22 OldCoder There is a git thing for it
01:22 OldCoder kahrl, VanessaE Do you recall how to get a commit as a diff?
01:22 kahrl git diff <commitid> <commitid>^
01:22 VanessaE I think you just add .diff to the end of the URL
01:22 VanessaE or do that.
01:23 OldCoder Yes
01:23 OldCoder Testing
01:23 kahrl you will need all 7 commits from httpfetch, most certainly
01:23 OldCoder Ah!
01:23 kahrl so git diff 0991ffe634 0991ffe634~7
01:24 OldCoder I may need to pass... the first one has 3 rejects... I assume 7 will have more
01:24 OldCoder Reviewing, though
01:24 kahrl wait... parse_json has been added to upstream
01:24 kahrl so its git diff 0991ffe634 0991ffe634~6
01:24 OldCoder Hmm
01:24 OldCoder How do I do that?
01:25 OldCoder kahrl, would apply all of your changes dated September 1 on?
01:25 Jordach joined #minetest
01:25 kahrl have you added my repository as a remote?
01:25 Jordach evening
01:25 Jordach oh, and btw https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116827#p116827
01:25 OldCoder Jordach, hi
01:26 Jordach that android minetest has violated the lgpl
01:26 OldCoder kahrl, after reviewing I don't think I can handle the rebase. This is a raw set of sources I pulled from git. You'd need to talk me through it.
01:26 OldCoder kahrl, If you'd like me to try I will proceed.
01:26 kahrl I guess I could try to rebase it myself
01:27 kahrl otherwise it'd be duplicated work
01:27 OldCoder Yes
01:27 OldCoder
01:27 OldCoder I will test if you do
01:27 OldCoder Could not open file of texture: character.png
01:27 OldCoder Could not open file of texture: animalmaterials_egg_ent_mesh.png
01:27 Jordach oldcoder thats normal
01:27 OldCoder Those are the only messages ATM
01:28 OldCoder Looks like it might work if I update animals
01:28 OldCoder I assume the animal egg thing is normal
01:28 OldCoder kahrl, Consider rebase and I will add to my clients
01:33 arsdragonfly hmmmm is that android minetest a real port of minetest?
01:34 arsdragonfly or something that copied the interface?
01:34 OldCoder Oh, I'm in
01:40 OldCoder I am uploading a Windows client with latest upstream for people to try. They can use it to test my temporary world 30015. Suggestions for mod changes will be much appreciated.
01:40 OldCoder After kahrl code is added and mods are fixed up the other worlds will be brought back.
01:40 OldCoder Upload is slow. It appears another 10 minutes.
01:43 kahrl it compiled!
01:44 kahrl rebased branch is here: https://github.com/kahrl/m​inetest/commits/httpfetch2
01:44 kahrl went surprisingly smoothly
01:49 OldCoder Ah!
01:50 OldCoder I shall rebuild then!
01:50 OldCoder NakedFury, I am making a Faster Client!!
01:50 OldCoder Therefore starting over
01:50 OldCoder kahrl, what shall I do?
01:50 OldCoder Is there a particular diff? Or 7?
01:50 kahrl well 6 instead of 7 now
01:51 kahrl you can grab the source tree at commit https://github.com/kahrl/minetest/commit/​2868e1be192262cab10c53014bb064d7c1c1ba08 and build it
01:51 NakedFury for a second I saw I am making a Faster Client??
01:51 OldCoder I am doing it right now
01:51 NakedFury instead of the !!
01:51 NakedFury I was confused
01:51 OldCoder Therefore deleting the one I just uploaded
01:51 OldCoder kahrl, proceeding t y
01:52 OldCoder kahrl, Is there a download link? or git clone?
01:52 OldCoder Or can I just add .diff to that?
01:52 OldCoder Will that be a single diff to upstream?
01:52 kahrl https://github.com/kahrl/minetest/archive/2​868e1be192262cab10c53014bb064d7c1c1ba08.zip
01:53 kahrl I don't think github can provide a single diff for multiple commits
01:53 OldCoder That ZIP is a minetest source tree?
01:53 kahrl yes
01:53 OldCoder Cool
01:53 OldCoder Downloading
01:54 OldCoder kahrl, why isn't this in upstream yet? Sounds useful
01:54 kahrl nobody tested it... yet :P
01:54 OldCoder That shall happen right now
01:54 OldCoder Or in a few minutes
01:54 kahrl well I tried it with two local apaches
01:54 OldCoder NakedFury shall be a guinea pig after me
01:55 OldCoder Rebuilding Win32 client
02:03 OldCoder Did not build. Retrying and checking errors.
02:05 OldCoder nprinted = snprintf(sbuf + pos, sbuflen,
02:05 OldCoder is_unsigned ? "%llu, " : "%lli, ",
02:05 OldCoder (unsigned long long)*((u64 *)bufpos))
02:05 kahrl pastebin? :)
02:05 OldCoder "Too many arguments for Format" Here
02:05 OldCoder It is only three lines and not done; I will pastebin shortly
02:06 OldCoder And this is fun. No worries, kahrl
02:06 kahrl well that seems to be a warning and not an error
02:06 OldCoder yes
02:06 kahrl and the warning is wrong
02:07 OldCoder I compiled with make -j 8
02:07 OldCoder Redoing with make to get a coherent log
02:07 OldCoder Found it...
02:08 OldCoder minetest/src/httpfetch.cpp:189:5: error:
02:08 OldCoder 'CURLPROTO_HTTP' was not declared in this scope
02:08 OldCoder No pastebin needed I think. Does that help?
02:08 OldCoder Looks like a trivial #include issue
02:10 * OldCoder loves Code
02:10 OldCoder :-3 Code
02:10 OldCoder Is that what the kids say?
02:11 Peacock kids are irrelevant, resistance is futile
02:12 OldCoder Indeed
02:12 kahrl what version is your curl?
02:12 * OldCoder likes Code regardless
02:13 OldCoder I used the standard Minetest buildbot
02:13 OldCoder Checking
02:13 OldCoder 7.18.0 kahrl
02:13 OldCoder That is what upstream specifies
02:13 kahrl oh... that's somewhat old
02:13 OldCoder My tweaks are minimal
02:13 kahrl maybe it doesn't have those constants
02:13 * OldCoder shrugs as it is OFFICIAL Minetest :-)
02:13 OldCoder Unlikely... that is basic. Checking the header.
02:14 OldCoder And thank you for interest!
02:14 OldCoder Grepping tree
02:15 OldCoder Interesting. It is *not* there. Looking closer.
02:15 kahrl thank your bank for interest too... assuming they give any ;)
02:15 OldCoder Heh
02:15 OldCoder could it be they did *not* add that constant until recently? odd!
02:16 OldCoder I see it in my Linux copy; which is newer
02:16 OldCoder Hang on briefly
02:16 kahrl yeah, when I coded that bit it seemed obvious that the constant had been there for forever
02:16 OldCoder I agree but I am reviewing the version of curl that upstream uses...
02:17 OldCoder the includes are there but no such constant...
02:17 OldCoder Huh
02:17 OldCoder It is apparently a recent addition!
02:17 OldCoder Googling
02:17 kahrl in any case, that line isn't essential, you could remove it
02:17 OldCoder Really?
02:17 OldCoder Which line?
02:17 OldCoder One moment
02:18 kahrl the one that sets CURLOPT_PROTOCOL
02:18 kahrl or similar
02:18 OldCoder protocols will need to be zero
02:18 OldCoder as all the other comparables will be undefined
02:19 OldCoder We will see if curl_easy_setopt still works...
02:19 kahrl the line is there to prevent mods from trying to connect to ssh sites and so on
02:19 OldCoder But what of this line:
02:19 OldCoder curl_easy_setopt(curl, CURLOPT_PROTOCOLS, protocols);
02:19 OldCoder ?
02:19 OldCoder protocols will be zero?
02:20 OldCoder Apparently CURLOPT_xxx did not exist at all in the past
02:20 kahrl remove that line and the line below it
02:20 OldCoder Will try
02:20 OldCoder Recompiling for your pleasure! :P
02:20 OldCoder I could try just upgrading Win32 Curl!
02:20 OldCoder But recompiling first
02:21 OldCoder 20%
02:21 OldCoder (with make -j 1)
02:22 OldCoder Lots of warnings about too many arguments for format...
02:22 OldCoder All in the settings.h file...
02:23 OldCoder Probably related to the fact gcc doesn't know about "l" as long
02:23 OldCoder in this context
02:23 OldCoder minetest/src/settings.h:784:46: warning: unknown conversion type character 'l' in format [-Wformat]
02:23 OldCoder Rather; mingw
02:23 * OldCoder is building a Windows client
02:24 kahrl that's pretty odd
02:24 kahrl is that an ancient gcc?
02:25 OldCoder Pretty much... mingw is not well maintained
02:25 OldCoder But does build fast MT clients!
02:25 OldCoder fast fast fast
02:25 OldCoder Or so I am told
02:25 * OldCoder prefers Linux
02:25 kahrl still it should know about %l and %ll
02:25 OldCoder 84%
02:26 ShadowNinja arsdragonfly: It's real Minetest alright.
02:26 OldCoder Yes; there may be more to this kahrl one step at a time
02:26 OldCoder ShadowNinja, Hi I am still at it
02:26 OldCoder 93%
02:27 OldCoder Cool! Compiled!
02:28 OldCoder kahrl, I shall test your code now
02:28 * kahrl crosses fingers
02:31 OldCoder Heh
02:31 OldCoder It is not life or death just a step wait a bit
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02:39 OldCoder I wouldn't call it lightning fast VanessaE kahrl But I am seeing downloads from the curl folder and it is about 4MB a minute... is that better than the default client?
02:40 OldCoder I will save the cache and upload the Win32 version of the client
02:40 VanessaE way better.
02:41 OldCoder I think this issue is the next big step for MT
02:41 OldCoder Game must start fast
02:41 OldCoder Even with Ambience
02:41 VanessaE the default code is lucky to pull off a third of that
02:41 OldCoder Ah
02:41 OldCoder Good
02:41 OldCoder Nearly loaded now actually
02:41 VanessaE around 1800 kB/minute per client is what I've seen
02:41 OldCoder *With* ambience
02:42 OldCoder VanessaE, I just symlinked all the images and sound files into one folder
02:42 OldCoder There are bound to be conflicts
02:42 VanessaE that works.
02:42 OldCoder We will need to sort them ot
02:42 OldCoder * out
02:42 Menche i remember the media download going noticably faster with kahrl's httpfetch branch
02:42 OldCoder Menche, that appears to be confirmed right now
02:43 OldCoder I'll upload the client I've built and if it works, I suggest requesting that upstream merge
02:43 OldCoder Testing for a few more minutes
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02:45 thefamilygrog66 bonjour
02:46 VanessaE hi
02:48 thefamilygrog66 hey V, have you ever used elementary os?
02:49 VanessaE nope
02:49 thefamilygrog66 http://elementaryos.org/
02:49 thefamilygrog66 looks purty
02:51 OldCoder Downloads are quite slow at this point! Must be in Ambience
02:51 OldCoder I reenabled it for this test
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02:54 OldCoder Ah I see what I did wrong
02:55 VanessaE bbl
02:56 OldCoder VanessaE, this is going well fyi
02:58 OldCoder kahrl, your code speeds things up by at least 3X
02:58 Peacock Czechoslovakia invasion plans nearly complete.
02:58 OldCoder Very well
02:58 * OldCoder assumes that is a joke of some type
02:59 Peacock we'll see
02:59 thefamilygrog66 Looks like a nice linux distro (http://elementaryos.org/), though there's a shot of someone playing Minecraft in the demo video, not Minetest. Lame.
03:03 Peacock on the way back from the store, i saw someone putting up christmas decorations :'(
03:04 OldCoder Uh huh
03:04 OldCoder Of course
03:04 dafull97 joined #minetest
03:04 dafull97 Hey guys
03:05 kaeza hi dafull97
03:06 thefamilygrog66 Canadian Tire had replaced all their Hallowe'en crap with Xmas crap when I was there today.
03:06 thefamilygrog66 Still found cheap mini chocolate bars though.
03:06 dafull97 kaeza! sup?
03:06 * Peacock invades christmas, commits elf-genocide
03:07 kaeza dafull97, not much
03:07 thefamilygrog66 Santa vs. the Martians
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03:07 arsdragonfl do i have to set up an HTTP server to use that feature in kahrl's branch?
03:07 dafull97 kaeza, do you know if the low end server will ever close?
03:07 kaeza ?
03:08 thefamilygrog66 I'd like to see this flick this winter: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1401143/
03:10 kahrl arsdragonfly: yes
03:11 OldCoder kahrl, It is a success
03:11 kahrl nice
03:11 OldCoder I don't hear Ambience music but that is a separate issue
03:11 OldCoder I must have configured sound wrong
03:11 OldCoder kahrl, the files download fast and correctly
03:11 kahrl great!
03:11 OldCoder I will prepare and upload a client
03:12 kahrl hopefully at least the remote media download part can go into upstream soon
03:12 OldCoder Yep
03:13 OldCoder Testing one more time
03:13 codehero why doesn't minetest have a xorg class? :P
03:13 OldCoder Hm?
03:15 codehero the minetest window doesn't have a xorg class
03:15 codehero which makes it quite difficult to move it to another workspace
03:16 codehero especially with haskell :P
03:17 OldCoder Before I upload the client, does anybody have any suggestions regarding sound? I built with ENABLE_SOUND=1 but Ambience Oggs aren't playing
03:18 OldCoder Well, we will see if it works for you
03:18 kaeza I recall someone else having the same issue with BlockMen's builds
03:19 OldCoder Hm?
03:19 kaeza (if that helps in the least)
03:20 OldCoder Do you mean sound?
03:20 OldCoder Anyway a Win32 client is uploading
03:20 kaeza yes
03:21 OldCoder About 25% there
03:21 OldCoder I would love to see somebody try it in a few minutes
03:21 OldCoder The mods need to be vetted and adjusted
03:23 Jordach kaeza pm
03:24 OldCoder kaeza, No IRC yet; wish to verify basic operation first
03:24 kaeza OldCoder, take your time
03:26 dafull97 kaeza, you have a skype?
03:26 kaeza nope
03:27 dafull97 oh, you know what ventrilo is?
03:29 kaeza yes
03:32 OldCoder http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131102.zip
03:32 OldCoder Would anybody care to try a new Win32 client and/or minetest.org port 131102 ?
03:32 OldCoder OOPS
03:32 OldCoder Would anybody care to try a new Win32 client and/or minetest.org port 30015 ?
03:33 OldCoder I would like to know if music or sound effects are audible
03:33 OldCoder There is a preloaded cache plus curl
03:33 OldCoder So this should be fast enough
03:33 OldCoder
03:33 dafull97 i have a ventrilo server if you would like to join?
03:34 OldCoder kaeza, are you awake? Care to try?
03:35 kaeza OldCoder, running Linux here
03:35 OldCoder Heh
03:35 OldCoder Ditto
03:35 OldCoder I tried Wine to test this
03:35 OldCoder Are any Windows users awake?
03:35 OldCoder NakedFury, ?
03:36 NekoGloop no
03:37 OldCoder k
03:44 OldCoder NekoGloop, you use Linux? Not Windows?
03:45 kaeza OldCoder, PM
03:46 NekoGloop I use windows but i don't care enough
03:48 NakedFury here
03:48 NakedFury the highlight never showed up
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03:51 OldCoder
03:51 OldCoder NakedFury, It works
03:51 OldCoder Feel free to try client though not finished
03:51 NakedFury ok
03:51 NakedFury where do I get it?
03:51 OldCoder Sound works and startup is fast
03:51 OldCoder One moment
03:51 OldCoder http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131102.zip
03:51 OldCoder Use this to test minetest.org port 30015
03:52 OldCoder Do not build much there; the world will be reverted
03:52 OldCoder Tell me what is broken
03:52 OldCoder And I will fix it
03:52 OldCoder NakedFury, ^
03:52 OldCoder Have fun!
03:52 OldCoder I will follow up with an expanded version that adds the final set of mods for local use
03:52 OldCoder I.e. offline play
03:52 OldCoder But right now the mods need to be sorted out
03:52 OldCoder
03:52 NakedFury ok
03:53 OldCoder NakedFury, Your world will return too
03:53 OldCoder You had 30000 or 30001 IIRC
03:53 NakedFury 30k
03:55 OldCoder Very well
03:55 OldCoder It is all safe
03:55 OldCoder Even Europe World
03:55 OldCoder One step at a time
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04:01 * paramat is in full effect
04:08 NekoGloop paramat, stop making minetest worlds awesome mmmmk?
04:10 paramat :D
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04:12 dafull97 kaeza you here?
04:13 kaeza no
04:14 kaeza ?
04:14 dafull97 haha, well i needed help but nvrmind i figured it out haha
04:21 paramat Peacock, im working on asteroid mod again, i left it in a very simple state. i know you have your own version but any suggestions are welcome
04:24 NakedFury the ordinal 55 could not be located in the dynamic link library zlib1.dll
04:25 paramat ... im adding 2 new 3D perlin noises to vary asteroid size and structure 'roughness' (persistence) over large scales. also intend to include all default ores and a few new ones
04:28 paramat ... i want to vary ore proportions too to create mese-rich / iron-rich asteroids etc perhaps a way to extract oxygen from ore for breathable atmosphere nodes
04:33 OldCoder NakedFury, ordinal 55 ? Is that my client? Worked for another person. Which Windows are you running?
04:33 OldCoder I shall investigate
04:33 NakedFury yes your client. windows 7. 64bit
04:33 OldCoder Ah!
04:34 OldCoder I will need to see if 32 vs. 64 bit Windows is an issue or not
04:34 OldCoder Somebody named Curtis here reported success
04:34 OldCoder I will survey over the next few days and see if there is a pattern
04:35 OldCoder But in theory 32 bits should work
04:37 NakedFury ok so I swapped that .dll file from another sort of new minetest folder to check but then a ordinal 74 something something popped up. so that particular stunt didnt fix the issues
04:38 NakedFury swapping back to original file. same issue
04:52 OldCoder NakedFury, I suspect that the standard cross-build procedure does not support 64 bits
04:52 OldCoder I will need to ask around and find out why...
04:52 OldCoder Most 32 bit apps work under 64
04:52 OldCoder I will research the issue
04:53 OldCoder Reviewing now actually
04:54 OldCoder NakedFury, you should install the X86 version of 2008 Visual Studio
04:54 OldCoder It should be free
04:54 OldCoder Reviewing further
04:54 OldCoder http://download.microsoft.com/download/d/d/9/dd9a​82d0-52ef-40db-8dab-795376989c03/vcredist_x86.exe
04:55 OldCoder NakedFury, try adding that
04:55 OldCoder It should not harm system but of course MS is problematic
04:56 OldCoder NakedFury, It appears this issue is common with 64 bit Windows. People generally need to install 32 bit support libraries. If the 32 bit EXE I linked does not help we will research further.
04:56 OldCoder I have access to a 64 bit Windows and can debug this
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04:58 OldCoder Hmm
04:59 OldCoder Does anybody else have a 64 bit Windows?
05:00 OldCoder NakedFury, see this thread:
05:00 OldCoder https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
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05:00 OldCoder Others have the issue. We will work it out.
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06:16 OldCoder Good morning
06:16 reactor o/
06:16 kaeza mornings
06:16 OldCoder kaeza, are you not asleep?
06:16 OldCoder The MT work was successful
06:16 OldCoder Next step is to debug 64 bit Windows Client
06:16 kaeza \o/
06:16 OldCoder NakedFury could not run it but PilzAdam has had similar issues
06:17 OldCoder DLLs can probably be adjusted
06:17 OldCoder I actually have a 64 bit Win7 machine booting in a VM now
06:17 OldCoder Before I sleep I will try it
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06:28 OldCoder kaeza, I may have fixed the 64 bit problem
06:29 OldCoder kaeza, if you see this, invite both 32 and 64 bit Windows users to try the ZIP
06:30 kaeza k
06:30 OldCoder NakedFury, delete the ZIP and redownload... or see me on Sunday and I'll give you one small DLL to try
06:31 OldCoder VanessaE, when you wake up; it appears the test is successful. I may also have a Windows client that works for both 32 and 64 bits. But only 32 bits is confirmed.
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06:33 OldCoder sfan5, ShadowNinja, Sokomine, thexyz please feel free to try the test world at minetest.org port 30015 using this Windows client:
06:33 OldCoder http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131102.zip
06:33 OldCoder Works with 32 bits may or may not with 64 bits
06:33 OldCoder For Linux client I recommend waiting for kahrl code or it will be too slow
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07:02 reactor Where can I upload maps?
07:03 thexyz to forum
07:03 thexyz it's got attachments
07:04 reactor But it's ~30M
07:04 reactor if not more
07:08 thexyz the limit is set to 30M, if it's more than that then sorry, no idea where to upload it
07:08 thexyz try pomf maybe
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09:45 sandman Anyone know of a decent way to speed up minetestserver? I've compiled stable-0.4 @ my Raspberry Pi, and it runs decent enough to play it vanilla, but with Simple Mobs it seems so horribly inefficient...
09:45 sandman Seems to spawn 4 processes, two of which together are always consuming 100% CPU
09:45 reactor I second that, but it seems slow even on this machine.
09:45 sandman Up to 15 seconds lag for anything to respond.
09:46 sandman Aye
09:46 sandman I'm just wondering why it would be
09:46 reactor I mean, I would like to know it, too.
09:46 sandman Doesn't seem like it should be consuming that much CPU. I also compiled it for Release, not debug, but perhaps that's not enough?
09:46 sandman reactor: Perhaps I'll look over the code later see what I can come up with
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09:50 reactor mk
09:50 pitriss sandman: i think problem is caused by mobs.. they can kill multicore server with dozen of ram:)
09:51 reactor How does minecraft handle mobs then?
09:51 arsdragonfly_ sandman did you use luajit?
09:56 pitriss reactor: erm pointing to MC is not good at all.. MC need lots more resources than MT AFAIK.. (I don't have MC but my friend have it so i can compare)
09:57 reactor idk
09:57 reactor I hever had any problem with mobs eating up resources there
09:57 reactor or I just didn't monitor it
09:58 Peacock java games may suck up abit more resources, but i wouldn't go so far as to say MT is more polished than MC lol
09:58 Peacock precisely because we can't have decent mobs in mt on servers
09:59 reactor hmm
09:59 reactor So, no zombie apocalypse inPripyat for me.
09:59 reactor s/in/in /
10:00 Peacock pripyat, thats the abandanoned model city near tchernobyl (sp?) right?
10:00 kaeza AFAIK MC seems more "smooth" because of client side prediction
10:00 kaeza which in turn needs client-side mods
10:00 Peacock well they dont mod at all the same way in MC i think
10:01 Peacock its more like hacking MC itself?
10:01 reactor Peacock: ?
10:01 Peacock (though... java = ugh) lol
10:01 reactor Peacock: I'm making a map of it.
10:01 reactor Not much so far.
10:02 Peacock nice, its got that eerie/creepy feel on google images
10:02 reactor Would you like to take a look?
10:02 Peacock like centralia PA and Kennecott, AK
10:02 Peacock if you got screens up
10:02 reactor Uh, not familiar with these.
10:02 reactor I haven't.
10:02 reactor I could run a server.
10:02 reactor s/a/the/
10:02 Peacock im sortof into abandoned stuff lol towns, cities, malls, factories, etc.
10:02 reactor Good.
10:03 reactor Shall we develop it together?
10:03 Peacock ill have toe check out the screens when it comes out, im dozing off as it is
10:03 Peacock *to
10:03 reactor I don't have enough time nowadays, but don't want it to rot in archives unreleased.
10:04 reactor it haven't come out, and probably will never come out, if I don't find anyone to help me finish it
10:04 Peacock the trickyest part probably would be to find textures that look aged/cracked/deteriorated,
10:04 reactor I have such.
10:04 Peacock well id say put a server up, im surely not the only other one into that stuff
10:04 reactor It's mostly ported from Minecraft, and I'm making more realistic models of the buildings.
10:04 reactor Well, I have a server, but I only run it on demand.
10:05 reactor Because this machine is not yet ready for timesharing.
10:05 Peacock me too, just leaving mine up all the time is like an open invitation to trolls lol
10:06 reactor And I bring it down when it has nothing to do, to reduce wear and energy footprint.
10:06 Peacock last time someone wrote on a sign suggesting i do something physically impossible with the server lol
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10:07 Peacock energy isn't so bad here, two towers, but no tv or lots of appliances
10:07 Peacock (fuck dishwashers lol i do a better job by hand in less time with less hot water lol)
10:08 reactor heh
10:08 reactor Well, we spend much dosh on lighting.
10:08 reactor I don't like energy saving bulbs.
10:08 reactor Their light is too dim.
10:09 reactor Rather, some colours are dim.
10:09 reactor Because of the nature of fluorescent light.
10:09 Peacock CFs or tubes?
10:09 reactor CF.
10:09 reactor Well, I might consider istalling tubes, because they're more efficient than CFs.
10:10 reactor But we have nice vintage lights, so idk.
10:10 Peacock CFs too, but only cool white, warm white = headaches lol
10:10 reactor Idk about diodes.
10:10 Peacock this flat has a shitton of light fixtures, i only put bulbs in 2/4 fixtures in this room and even then only one of them is ever on lol
10:10 reactor I suppose they're same as CF.
10:11 reactor Oh. We prefer many small bulbs, for they distribute light in a more even pattern.
10:11 Peacock im too sensitive to light lol
10:11 Peacock http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00rMETVJmI​bicH/LED-Light-Bulb-E27-Base-for-Home-Use.jpg
10:12 reactor I get pissed when one of them dies, though, which happens pretty often. It usually trips the breaker and causes data loss.
10:12 Peacock shouldn't be tripping breakers though, are the fixtures grounded?
10:12 reactor We don't have grounding here.
10:12 reactor Lame, I know. But hell, I live in a flat block, on the top floor. So it would be problematic to get any.
10:13 Peacock shiite yeah, thats why, the have emergency power supplies for computers, but they cost a fortune and dont last long
10:13 reactor I heard one could hook up a car battery.
10:13 Peacock well i live on top of two bars and restaurant, so,,, free bad music on the weekends lol
10:14 Peacock though it keeps heating costs down
10:14 reactor But the UPS should be reliable enough. Because they usually design them to only work for a short period of time.
10:14 reactor And it would overheat.
10:15 Peacock well most apps have autosave these days, so im guessing those emergency supplies are more practical for office settings
10:15 Peacock especially cash registers
10:15 ruskie UPS is really designed to allow for safe shutdown
10:16 Peacock power goes out with out one and the figures are fucked for the day lol
10:16 ruskie you want to run for longer add a generator on that
10:16 Peacock well theres no room for a generator here lol though i wouldn't mind if they let me put a solar on the balcony
10:16 ruskie you have a balcony... plenty of room for a diesel generator I'd say
10:17 Peacock yeah except they wont even let us have a dish lol
10:17 ruskie heh
10:17 Peacock and gennies make a shit-ton of noise
10:18 ruskie true
10:18 Peacock though i dont know what we'd do if there was another ice storm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No​rth_American_Ice_Storm_of_1998)
10:20 Peacock pretty much the last time i saw soldiers on the streets too lol
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10:28 sfan5 hi everyone
10:29 kaeza hi sfan
10:34 reactor o/ sfan5
10:34 reactor May I include your script in my map when I release it?
10:35 pitriss hi kaeza: i just found your testclock mod.. Do you think that is possible to display dark semitransparent background under these clock?
10:36 kaeza pitriss, there are some problems with that, but it's possible
10:36 kaeza namely that the order of HUD items is unspecified, and the background may appear above test
10:36 kaeza text*
10:37 pitriss ah so this background will hide text..
10:37 kaeza however, you can make it like the ammo counter in firearms (or the signs in homedecor)
10:38 kaeza combine everything into a single texture, first the background then the text; that way you can be sure of the priority
10:39 sfan5 reactor: why would you want to?
10:39 pitriss thats sound a bit difficult.. I like simplicity of your mod, I will let it as is:)
10:39 pitriss kaeza: thanks anyway:)
10:39 reactor sfan5: I've modified it to change some types of blocks to other types
10:39 sfan5 just include the diff
10:40 reactor okay
10:40 kaeza pitriss, if the background is semi-transparent, worst you can get is tinted/darkened text
10:40 reactor ruskie: generator needs time to start
10:41 reactor ruskie: beside, keeping it on a balcony is not healthy for mechanics
10:41 reactor sfan5: I will also include the fix that fixes orientation then.
10:41 sfan5 ok
10:41 reactor mk
10:42 reactor Peacock: shall I show you the map?
10:43 Peacock screenshots thread :P im smoking one last health-stick and going to bed before the sun rises lol
10:46 reactor Oh.
10:46 reactor Well, I don't think I have time to register on the forums any time soon.
10:49 reactor Beside, I can't put out the map before I at least port the whole town from Minecraft map.
10:49 Peacock i think sfan has a tool for conversions
10:49 reactor If you're curious, the map I'm porting is TheZone by TsarCorp
10:49 reactor I use that tool.
10:49 reactor I had to fix a bug in it, though.
10:49 reactor but that's another story
10:50 sandman Hrm... what was this deal with luajit? I don't recall using it. I don't even know what it is
10:51 Peacock not bad http://www.planetminecraft​.com/project/pripyat-city/
10:52 Peacock well i'll be heading off to my regeneration alcove, nite folks
10:53 reactor I'm so fucking slow.
10:55 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest: Send a on_receive_fields event when formspec is closed, with fields.quit = "true" 0b78889289 2013-11-03T02:53:59-08:00 http://git.io/4CnpZg
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11:05 nore hi PilzAdam
11:06 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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11:17 markveidemanis Hi
11:17 nore hi
11:17 markveidemanis OldCoder: Is my server done?
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11:42 sandman Alright, going to give this a whirl with luajit. It can see that after disabling simple mobs, the performance is more acceptable, but the pattern of lag is still there. That is, there are fewer cap spikes with simple mobs disabled, but they're still there. That leads me to believe it's just lua that's behind this
11:42 sandman As the mods are lua, and after disabling them all there's still some lua being used by the default game.
11:42 sandman I'll let you know if I explode my source tree. =)
11:47 markveidemanis where is binary useful?
11:47 VanessaE hi all
11:47 markveidemanis 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256...
11:47 thexyz VanessaE: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116876#p116876
11:48 VanessaE ah, hadn't even considered that.
11:48 VanessaE soon as I figure out where my adb cable got off to...
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11:50 john_minetest Hello everypony
11:51 thexyz hm.. `adb hell` is a fun command
11:52 VanessaE thexyz: perhaps you meant 'adb logcat' ;)
11:52 thexyz lolcat works too, use it all the time
11:52 VanessaE heh
11:53 thexyz http://i.imgur.com/eDSY02K.png
11:54 VanessaE *sigh*  looks like I have to patch this copy of adb to recognize my device.  brb
11:57 markveidemanis Whats that OS?
11:57 markveidemanis i want it too :)
11:57 markveidemanis tried *ubuntu, nothing
11:58 thexyz this is gentoo
11:58 markveidemanis lubuntu grub problem, ubuntu same, kubuntu unknown, xubuntu, wont start second time
11:58 markveidemanis ok
11:58 markveidemanis Worth a try
11:58 thexyz sure is
11:58 markveidemanis Gentoo is on the lookout for its very own star. The 'Genfactor' is a talent competition which gives young performers in the local community a chance to shine and ...
11:58 markveidemanis guess not that one...
11:59 markveidemanis http://distfiles.gentoo.org/relea​ses/amd64/autobuilds/current-iso/
11:59 markveidemanis Do i want the minimal?
11:59 markveidemanis Or is there something fuller
12:00 TheLastProject markveidemanis: Stop right there
12:00 TheLastProject If you are asking such questions, you want to read the manual and understand that installing Gentoo will probably take you about 8 hours on your first try if you have a clue of what you're doing
12:00 VanessaE there we go, got access to the device's log.
12:00 TheLastProject Nobody is going to hold your hand during an 8-hour-long OS installation
12:01 thexyz VanessaE: anything interesting there?
12:01 thexyz markveidemanis: it also depends on your hardware
12:01 markveidemanis It will take that long just to download
12:01 markveidemanis amd64
12:01 VanessaE I'm just now getting to (re-)installing the game.  hold a bit.
12:01 thexyz markveidemanis: what's your CPU?
12:02 markveidemanis x64-based-processor says windows
12:02 thexyz model name
12:02 thexyz don't even try this on atom or similar
12:02 ruskie your only experience is windows and or ubunut and you're going with gentoo???
12:02 markveidemanis G2030
12:02 thexyz also, don't even try it in general
12:02 markveidemanis Any morew suggestions?
12:02 markveidemanis i will try them all, and stick with the one that works
12:03 ruskie fedora, slackware, centos, mint, debian
12:03 ruskie top of my head
12:03 TheLastProject Oh God...
12:03 VanessaE thexyz: I never realized how much debug spew this thing generates.  Enough to rival the pc's /var/log/messages :)
12:03 markveidemanis ...
12:03 thexyz ruskie: that list, but in reverse
12:03 ruskie thexyz, it's not order of preference
12:03 thexyz oh, okay
12:03 ruskie my fav is slackware and I use it mostly everywhere I can
12:03 VanessaE aw G*d damn it.  NOW of all the times in the world, my stupid tablet chooses to install half a dozen other updates.
12:03 thexyz hah, I've never tried it
12:03 TheLastProject I used to be a ricer but now I'm on Debian Testing :P
12:04 ruskie I used it 1998-2004 then switched to source mage and switched last year back to slackware
12:04 VanessaE Ok, first-time running the game..lesse what it does.
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12:04 ruskie debian I'll use in a fire and forget setting because it's just a PITA to do much with it
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12:05 ruskie fedora, mint, centos if you want something user friendly really
12:06 VanessaE thexyz: looks like it's segfaulting.
12:06 thexyz just pastebin the log
12:07 thexyz it can segfault because of many things
12:07 thexyz and saying "it's segfaulting" is the same as saying "it doesn't work"
12:07 VanessaE http://pastebin.com/cZF06a8M
12:07 VanessaE heh I know
12:07 VanessaE I *was* gonna post the log, jeez :)
12:07 thexyz E/Irrlicht( 2127): 2Could not create archive for: /storage/sdcard0/playstarz/minefree/data/textures/
12:07 thexyz E/Irrlicht( 2127): 2Could not create archive for: /storage/sdcard0/playstarz/minefree/data/gui/
12:07 thexyz E/Irrlicht( 2127): 2Could not create archive for: /storage/sdcard0/playstarz/minefree/data/models/
12:07 thexyz E/Irrlicht( 2127): Could not open file of texture: /storage/sdcard0/playstarz/​minefree/data/gui/ui160.png
12:08 thexyz I had this one, actually
12:08 thexyz was too lazy to investigate and just copied all files by hand
12:08 VanessaE maybe just an out-of-space issue?
12:08 thexyz dunno
12:09 VanessaE hm, nope.  1.5G free on the internal storage.
12:11 VanessaE brb
12:12 markveidemanis could i have a direct download for centos? the mirror sites are conusing
12:12 markveidemanis *confusing
12:12 thexyz that's so wrong
12:13 thexyz I think you're not ready for linux now, sorry
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12:15 thexyz and since everyone ignored me last time, I'll repeat once again
12:15 thexyz > it may be a good idea to set ENTRYMSG and make it contain a list of international channels, like "English channel: #minetest, Русский канал: #minetest-ru, " and so on
12:16 thexyz no?
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12:16 kaeza +1
12:17 thexyz what other channels do we have, to start with?
12:17 kaeza BTW, "Canal en español -> ##minetest-es"
12:17 kaeza (Spanish)
12:18 john_minetest http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs7/i/2005/​199/e/3/matrix_funny_by_Argntnspc.gif
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12:19 VanessaE back
12:19 thexyz this is actually pretty handy
12:19 thexyz https://gist.github.com/xyzz/82bf4cc​1a20f037e63f6/raw/f919905da80c42d935​d275f49dfce11d34430712/gistfile1.txt
12:20 VanessaE didn't know we had so many related channels.  impressive.
12:23 PilzAdam lol, that help channel with 1 guy
12:23 PilzAdam "Lets make this official"
12:24 thexyz that one guy is chanserv
12:24 thexyz ##minetest-es and #minetest-de are the only alive ones
12:24 thexyz still, it'd be good to have them in ENTRYMSG
12:25 thexyz anyone who cares enough to set it?
12:25 VanessaE oh I see why - my tablet doesn't have a /storage/sdcard0 tree,  it's just /sdcard
12:26 VanessaE (and even then, that points to the internal storage, not the external card)
12:27 thexyz I don't even have any idea what access level do you need to set it
12:27 thexyz VanessaE: care to try it?
12:27 thexyz /msg ChanServ set #minetest ENTRYMSG English channel: #minetest, Canal en español: ##minetest-es
12:27 VanessaE /msg ChanServ set #minetest ENTRYMSG English channel: #minetest, Canal en español: ##minetest-es
12:27 VanessaE d'oh
12:27 VanessaE [11-03 07:27] -ChanServ- You are not authorized to execute this command.
12:28 thexyz oh right
12:28 thexyz you need +s
12:28 thexyz OldCoder is the only one with it
12:29 thexyz can't be helped
12:30 IceCraft hi
12:31 thexyz wow stupid ebay asks me to leave feedback yet seller didn't even ship the item yet
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12:33 issa2013 hello
12:33 issa2013 VanessaE, how are u
12:33 issa2013 can u give a milonk with minetest and many mod to create my own server please
12:34 VanessaE hi
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12:34 VanessaE not right now, kinda busy
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12:47 Evergreen_ Grr, can't get the nick "Evergreen" to work for some reason
12:47 markveidemanis ns ghost Evergreen Tree00-99685
12:48 ruskie someone is using evergreen
12:48 markveidemanis GHOST HIM!
12:48 markveidemanis GHOST THE BASTARD!
12:48 markveidemanis It may just be you
12:48 ruskie or you know politely ask them to change it
12:48 ruskie evergreen [~evergreen@gateway/tor-sasl/evergreen] <-- considering whois reports this
12:48 markveidemanis If you disconnected unexpectedly, its you
12:49 Evergreen_ hmm
12:49 Evergreen_ Can something be done about that?
12:49 thexyz ghost him
12:49 Jordach ask in freenode
12:49 thexyz /msg NickServ help ghost
12:49 ruskie considering evergreen seems to be the one that owns the nick
12:49 reactor Yes.
12:49 ruskie not much you can do
12:50 reactor Oh. I see.
12:50 issa2013 VanessaE, please i want make a lan party this afternoon
12:50 reactor It's not Evergreen.
12:50 reactor It's someone else.
12:50 ruskie yup
12:50 VanessaE issa2013: I'm not the only one here who can help you with that :)
12:50 reactor The realname field has different capitalisation.
12:50 ruskie Registered : Nov 03 06:16:38 2013 (6
12:50 issa2013 i know u pack is realy good and complete
12:50 ruskie hours, 32 minutes, 44 seconds ago)
12:50 reactor issa2013: ?
12:50 ruskie so yeah someone registered it 6 hours ago
12:50 VanessaE wait, you wanna run my Game on your local server?
12:50 ruskie why you didn't do so before no clue...
12:50 issa2013 VanessaE, yes
12:51 reactor issa2013: running it on your local server might be a solution.
12:51 VanessaE a "milonk"..  you mean the link to the game?
12:51 issa2013 reactor, i m looking a pack with mod to make my own server
12:51 issa2013 reactor, yes but it's loong to gett all mod pack texture ...
12:51 reactor issa2013: use: mesecons, digiline, firearms, cars
12:51 reactor homedecor
12:51 issa2013 u need to found id independatly it's look
12:52 reactor I wonder, is there a mod that adds grenades?
12:52 issa2013 i remember VanessaE have apck directly playable
12:52 VanessaE issa2013: you need to update to latest git no older than November 2 to run this:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa​/hobbies/minetest/VanessaE_Game.tar.bz2
12:52 Evergreen_ Is it possible for someone else to ghost him?   I don't want to wipe my existing account accidentally
12:52 ruskie Evergreen_, there is no existing account anymore
12:53 ruskie Evergreen_, the person evergreen registered the evergreen account 6 hours ago
12:53 VanessaE issa2013: but gimme a few minutes to upload a new version of it.
12:53 reactor False.
12:53 reactor I didn't.
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12:53 ruskie Evergreen_, the person evergreen registered the evergreen account 6 hours ago
12:53 reactor Evergreen_: I don't even have a saw.
12:53 reactor I\ get blamed for everything.
12:53 ruskie Evergreen_, they are the only one that can use it now unless they give it up
12:54 Evergreen_ GRRR
12:54 ruskie Evergreen_, why didn't you register before?
12:54 Evergreen_ I didn't remember to
12:54 Evergreen_ Oh well
12:55 TheLastProject EvergreenTree: /msg NickServ help register
12:55 TheLastProject Before this happens to you AGAIN
12:56 VanessaE issa2013: ok, update completed.  you may download at your leisure, but again you MUST update your minetest to git dated from yesterday or today.
12:56 issa2013 ok i use the ppa of the dev dayli
12:57 VanessaE oh ok. that's fine, just be sure to, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
12:57 VanessaE enjoy :)
12:57 issa2013 ok and the link is the same
12:59 VanessaE let me know if you have any problems with it.  the link is as above, http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa​/hobbies/minetest/VanessaE_Game.tar.bz2
12:59 issa2013 no update
12:59 issa2013 thats wired
12:59 issa2013 where i can see the version on minetest please
12:59 issa2013 on the game i see minetest 0.4.7
13:00 VanessaE if you see "0.4.7" without any extra gibberish-looing numbers, you're not using the nightlies repo
13:00 VanessaE looking*
13:01 VanessaE e.g. if it doesn't read something close to "Minetest-0.4.7-MSVC-353-gdbf4f12", it's not the nightlies repo (unless the buildbot doesn't insert the proper versioning)
13:02 VanessaE you can double-check from a terminal also.
13:02 VanessaE minetest --version
13:03 john_minetest I wish there was a better versioning.
13:03 issa2013 VanessaE, 14:03:21: ERROR[main]: Unknown command-line parameter "--version"
13:03 john_minetest It would be useful to have a version number like "Minetest-0.4.7-MSVC-03112013"
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13:04 EvergreenTree EvergreenTree is ready to rock and roll!   :D
13:04 john_minetest "Minetest-<version>-compiler-date"
13:04 VanessaE issa2013: wtf?
13:04 issa2013 VanessaE, i used this ppa -- > ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds
13:04 kaeza ftw!
13:04 VanessaE when was --version added to the program's command line switches?
13:06 issa2013 http://pastebin.com/azgAgywe
13:06 issa2013 i understand the ppa not working
13:06 issa2013 in fact i have the relase minetest
13:06 issa2013 :/
13:07 kaeza Date:   Wed Sep 25 04:47:44 2013 +0200: Add --version option
13:07 issa2013 i found this pack
13:07 issa2013 https://code.launchpad.net/~minetest​devs/+archive/daily-builds/+packages
13:07 kaeza commit 5dce44ec5e5f7231dba3cdbec3f1fdc683ce5a34
13:08 issa2013 kaeza, sorry but on the realease 0.4.7 but is not woring i have the error
13:08 john_minetest I want official builds with numbering "minetest-<version>-<date>-<info>" where <version> is like "0.4.7", <date> is syntatcical "ddmmyyyy" and <info> is additional stuff like compiler, special feature branch or similar.
13:08 kaeza issa2013, are you sure you don't have other version installed?
13:09 reactor Shit.
13:09 reactor Why not YYMMDD?
13:09 ruskie YYYYMMDD is the usual
13:09 kaeza (as in, parallel versions)
13:09 reactor Only YYMMDD is good for sorting.
13:09 john_minetest oh, you are right
13:09 john_minetest wrote it the wrong way round
13:09 VanessaE YYYY-MM-DD is how G*d intended it to be, damn it :D
13:09 reactor Maybe even that, VanessaE.
13:10 VanessaE issa2013: you are definitely not running the daily builds repo, you probably did not install the PPA correctly.
13:10 reactor But I doubt we'll be alive in 2113
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13:10 reactor Well. I will be.
13:10 john_minetest So versioning of daily builds is like "minetest-20131103-rba_shaders"
13:10 john_minetest or "minetest-20131103-master"
13:11 VanessaE I plan to live to see warp drive, transporters, and food replicators, even if it takes another 200 years :)
13:11 kaeza maybe then we can see 0.4.8 >.>
13:11 john_minetest hmmm... I wonder if it is possible to 3d print food.
13:11 ruskie john_minetest, I believe there are some devices already for that
13:11 VanessaE john_minetest: actually, it is.
13:11 ruskie mostly laboratory stuff
13:11 VanessaE I've seen some stories about that recenly.
13:12 VanessaE recently*
13:12 Zeg9 Hi
13:12 john_minetest Hey Zeg9
13:12 VanessaE hey Zeg9
13:12 issa2013 VanessaE, reactor http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1493/7f4y.png
13:13 VanessaE that's the stable build all right.
13:13 EvergreenTree Hello Zeg9
13:14 issa2013 ok so i remove it
13:14 VanessaE issa2013:  re-check that you actually completed installing the PPA
13:14 VanessaE you probably just skipped a step, not hard to do.
13:15 VanessaE I suggest completely removing all traces of your minetest install and the PPA (but keep your personal files of course), and start from scratch
13:16 Zeg9 Why is my minetest version titled "Minetest 0.4.7-MSVC"?
13:16 reactor MS Visual C?
13:16 reactor :(
13:16 thexyz because microsoft donated 1000$
13:16 reactor thexyz: really?
13:16 thexyz no they don't do this
13:17 thexyz it's how last tag is named
13:17 thexyz https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases
13:17 reactor Oh.
13:17 thexyz and it's named like this because we've found an issue with msvc after we released 0.4.7
13:18 reactor Oh.
13:19 issa2013 VanessaE, please what means this -->The version number of the package is compile date; please check your actual version in-game
13:20 VanessaE just what it says - in-game means the numbering at the top left.
13:28 issa2013 VanessaE, sorry but i have added the ppa and my ubuntu can't found paquets : http://pastebin.com/xNZhG9rX
13:28 issa2013 i don't understand what is wrong
13:29 VanessaE maybe the PPA doesn't work for saucy yet?
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13:29 harrison i felt sorry for myself because i had no shoes
13:29 harrison until i met a man with no concept of "walking"
13:29 VanessaE harrison: stay on topic please.
13:30 harrison i felt sorry for myself for not being able to stay on topic
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13:30 harrison until i met a man who wasn't even allowed on freenode
13:30 VanessaE issa2013: yeah, looks like it maxes out at 13.03 (Raging?)
13:30 VanessaE er 13.04
13:31 VanessaE issa2013: you will have to compile it.
13:31 VanessaE uninstall the PPA and follow these instructions:  https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/blob/master/README.txt#L83
13:31 VanessaE (I run 13.10 also, and building is quite straightforward)
13:32 issa2013 VanessaE, the problem it's all dependancie is really borried to install it
13:33 VanessaE issa2013: those instructions tell you how to deal with the dependencies :)
13:33 VanessaE line 87, the apt-get install...... will cover all of the deps.
13:33 issa2013 a u right
13:33 reactor heck.
13:33 reactor Why don't people RTFM?
13:33 issa2013 sorry in general u need to find alone all dependencies
13:34 reactor It would be nice to list depends not as Debilian packages, but as product names intended by their developers, VanessaE.
13:35 reactor For example, I had to look for them under other names in FBSD.
13:35 reactor And it would be easier to look for product names.
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13:38 issa2013 compilation start
13:38 issa2013 i hop is fast
13:40 issa2013 for windows u have a link please
13:40 harrison international house of pancakes?
13:40 issa2013 :)
13:41 issa2013 Daily/unstable for windows
13:42 issa2013 i foudn this : http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/
13:43 issa2013 ok i stop asking question thanks to all ;)
13:43 VanessaE issa2013: sfan5's builds are good.
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13:44 issa2013 ok compilation is over i ahve the minetest 0.1./-dev / minetest version
13:44 issa2013 :/
13:44 VanessaE sfan5: you may wanna update that, your latest is over two weeks ago :)
13:44 VanessaE 0.1??
13:45 issa2013 http://pastebin.com/BtJkxGe2
13:45 VanessaE issa2013: ok good.
13:45 VanessaE 0.4.7-dev
13:45 VanessaE that means you got the right one, in theory
13:45 issa2013 ok
13:45 issa2013 and for the windows version
13:45 issa2013 sfan have old release dev
13:45 VanessaE did you make sure to adjust your commands like it said?  like the "or similar" part when you downloaded the source
13:46 VanessaE "$ cd minetest-minetest-286edd4 (or similar)
13:46 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, got your water shaders working
13:46 PilzAdam (see forum for patches)
13:46 PilzAdam screenshots incoming
13:47 PilzAdam http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/me​dia_entries/443/WaterShaderDefault.png
13:47 PilzAdam http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/m​edia_entries/444/WaterShaderHaven.png
13:47 issa2013 u can't change keybord map ingame ;/
13:48 VanessaE nope, you gotta do that in the main menu
13:48 issa2013 PilzAdam, waou
13:48 issa2013 can i get this in game ?
13:50 VanessaE PilzAdam: that second tweak is already in place in my non-working copy.
13:51 PilzAdam use Irrlicht 1.7.3 then
13:51 VanessaE interestingly, his latest pull (just now got it) reverts your patch...
13:51 VanessaE and...fails to build.
13:52 PilzAdam yes, my patch should be applied to the last commits
13:52 PilzAdam sooo.... actually its reverting it
13:53 PilzAdam the first patch makes it build, but it doesnt find the texture then, so the second patch fixes that too
13:53 VanessaE lemme see what happens when I try it.
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13:54 VanessaE still produces non-working water for me.
13:54 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/​hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%​20-%2011022013%20-%2002:34:38%20PM.png
13:54 PilzAdam bad luck then
13:54 VanessaE (from the last attempt)
13:55 PilzAdam you use Irrlicht 1.8?
13:55 VanessaE yep, but I had that happen under 1.7.3 also.
13:56 VanessaE he's doing something that probably only works on very high-end cards or something
13:57 VanessaE (though I would have thought my HD6870 would have been more than enough)
14:02 sandman Could anyone help me clear all these unknown objects in my world?
14:02 sandman They're all over the place
14:02 sandman From mods that I used previously
14:02 VanessaE worldedit, or alias them to air
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14:06 VanessaE PilzAdam: just to be sure, lemme check against irrlicht 1.7.3
14:06 PilzAdam yay! added Jeijas waves to it!
14:07 VanessaE coooool
14:08 PilzAdam it doesnt look as good as Terasology, though
14:08 PilzAdam since the waves and the parallax mapping are independent
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14:08 VanessaE I really wish RealBadAngel would start doing proper forking and branching, this stuff would be easier to manage
14:09 PilzAdam agreed
14:09 VanessaE nope, doesn't work with irrlicht 1.7.3 either.
14:10 PilzAdam heres the patch: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116899#p116899
14:10 VanessaE is there something fundamentally broken about my video or wtf?
14:10 VanessaE or does irrlicht just suck that much?
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14:11 harrison i finally was able to install nvidia driver instead of nouveau to eliminate the bug that caused bothe Terasology and Minetest to crash within a few minutes
14:11 harrison therefore, i can now spend time looking at both
14:11 harrison i can say that Terasology gets very slow when the frame size is large
14:11 VanessaE what are you and RBA doing that I'm not?  what obscure depenency am I missing that you two have@?
14:11 VanessaE !?
14:12 PilzAdam I have a pretty decent graphic card
14:12 kaeza magic
14:12 RealBadAngel hi all
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14:12 VanessaE 09:09:18: INFO[main]: SourceShaderCache::getOrLoad(): No path found for "solids_shader/opengl_geometry.glsl"
14:13 VanessaE 09:09:18: INFO[main]: SourceShaderCache::getOrLoad(): No path found for "liquids_shader/opengl_geometry.glsl"
14:13 VanessaE 09:09:18: INFO[main]: SourceShaderCache::getOrLoad(): No path found for "alpha_shader/opengl_geometry.glsl"
14:13 RealBadAngel actually mine is rather old one, HD 4670
14:13 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116894#p116894
14:13 VanessaE among the messages in the debug log
14:13 RealBadAngel we can try to add fake (empty files with just main() ) to see if presence of them helps
14:14 VanessaE RealBadAngel: I have tried with irrlicht 1.7.3 and 1.8, with identical results.
14:14 RealBadAngel and i have tried also with both and with same result. it just works
14:15 VanessaE wtf is going on with my system that it just doesn't work for me?
14:15 RealBadAngel i have no idea why it is not workin for you
14:15 VanessaE pastebin your minetest.conf please.
14:15 VanessaE I wanna see ALL of it
14:16 PilzAdam oh god that sun is horrible
14:18 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, check another one, i just pushed it
14:18 PilzAdam its not the shape, its the color
14:19 RealBadAngel whats wrong with it?
14:19 PilzAdam the colors just feel wrong
14:20 Exio4 ^M
14:20 Exio4 wat
14:20 RealBadAngel for me they look quite natural
14:20 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6353023/
14:22 VanessaE (from your third patch that includes jeija's waves)
14:23 Exio4 RBA, could you use at least 3 branches
14:23 Exio4 they make the job easy for anyone trying to understand the mess
14:25 RealBadAngel Exio4, 3 branches? for what?
14:26 Exio4 i don't want you to have 150 branches for each feature, but if you code something, keep it in its own branch, not a whole repository
14:26 Exio4 it is faster bandwidth-wise for people with shitty networks, and easier to mantain to everyone
14:27 RealBadAngel im coding shaders and every part of the code here is depending on each other
14:28 RealBadAngel just the sky thingy is here just btw ;)
14:28 RealBadAngel but it will be also replaced with shaded sky at all
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14:29 Exio4 https://github.com/RealBadAngel/mi​netest_GLSLshaders/commits/master this could be, easily, a branch in your main minetest repository
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14:31 VanessaE PilzAdam: your patch does NOT apply to 1c03... at all.
14:31 VanessaE and I just re-cloned and git-reset back to that point just to be sure,
14:31 RealBadAngel VanessaE, hold on, im adding it now
14:32 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, btw, you shall use setVertexShaderConstant instead of setPixelShaderConstant("
14:33 VanessaE RealBadAngel: what about your minetest.conf?  you never pastebin'd it
14:33 sfan5 VanessaE: I'm building a new one right now
14:33 RealBadAngel will add it to first post
14:33 RealBadAngel sfan5, wait a few minutes, im testing now Jeija's waves with it
14:33 PilzAdam VanessaE, maybe because of git adding ^M in the diff?
14:34 VanessaE PilzAdam: possibly.
14:34 PilzAdam s/^M// then
14:34 VanessaE I just copied what you pasted.
14:39 PilzAdam ok, I got RBAs repo rebased against current upstream
14:39 PilzAdam building now...
14:41 PilzAdam hmmm... wait, RealBadAngel, on which commit is your repo based?
14:42 PilzAdam is it 382357d61cde9d6d1b3cb94053ab1127db9d5462
14:42 PilzAdam +?
14:43 OldCoder Reviewing
14:43 OldCoder reactor, I will be pleased to host one of your maps or even to run it!
14:44 OldCoder You must indicate the required or prohibited mods reactor
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14:45 harrison OldCoder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI4IYRT-Msw
14:45 OldCoder VanessaE, john_minetest anybody interested in Zegaton... Please tell Zeg9 that Zegaton is updated and needs to be reviewed. I will post the mods list. And I need Windows 32 bit and Windows 64 bit people to test my new client.
14:45 OldCoder harrison, Hi no time for videos what is it?
14:45 harrison an attack on an assertion by john carmack
14:46 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, it is copied a few days ago
14:46 OldCoder If there is a blog post I will read it. But I do not video much these days.
14:46 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, and what exact commit?
14:46 RealBadAngel hold on a sec
14:46 OldCoder RealBadAngel, I am upgrading worlds
14:46 harrison i don't have time to write blog essays that noone will read
14:46 harrison i prefer to make films that nobody will watch
14:47 OldCoder PilzAdam, the rebuild worked. harrison I did not know this was yours. I regret there is no time for videos. Summarize perhaps in a paragraph or two and I may blog it myself.
14:47 OldCoder Including video
14:47 OldCoder Umm... not here if it is off topic
14:48 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/382357d61cde9d6d1b3cb94053ab1127db9d5462
14:48 PilzAdam ok
14:48 OldCoder PilzAdam, ruskie, Sokomine, others: I can work on MT mostly on the weekends for now. People are invited to visit a test world at minetest.org port 30015 using the brand new Windows client linked last night. I wish to add or update or delete mods as appropriate.
14:49 OldCoder All of the other worlds will be upgraded when this test is done
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14:49 OldCoder thexyz, kaeza too ^
14:51 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, your usage of git and repos is ridiculous
14:51 VanessaE PilzAdam: +1000
14:51 PilzAdam even if you want seperate folders in your workspace you can still use branches
14:51 VanessaE RealBadAngel: fucking use real branches and forks~
14:51 VanessaE PLEASE
14:51 RealBadAngel ok ok, i will try to do so
14:52 RealBadAngel meanwhile adding settings for jeija's waves
14:52 PilzAdam btw, it seems like I cant disable the water shaders
14:52 RealBadAngel theres no setting for it yet
14:53 RealBadAngel also, water node shall be made different way
14:53 RealBadAngel top of the node shall be different tile than others
14:54 RealBadAngel so only surface would be shaded
14:54 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/m​inetest/commits/rba_shaders_2
14:54 PilzAdam rebased against current master
14:56 VanessaE building your fork, PilzAdam (rba_shaders_2 branch of course)
14:56 OldCoder <thexyz> you need +s
14:56 OldCoder <thexyz> OldCoder is the only one with it
14:56 OldCoder <thexyz> can't be helped
14:56 OldCoder What is needed?
14:56 PilzAdam VanessaE, pushed Jeijas waves
14:56 VanessaE ok.
14:56 VanessaE lemme let this finish first
14:56 OldCoder And BTW does anybody have a suggestion about what to do next? Will kahrl code be integrated into upstream?
14:58 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, i have already added Jeija's code with some fixes
14:58 RealBadAngel and timeOfDay is already passed to shaders
14:58 PilzAdam VanessaE, wait, Ill rewrite history
14:58 VanessaE already pulled, PilzAdam
14:58 VanessaE but ok
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14:59 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest_GLSLshade​rs/commit/36416206c3d70013b06c0d75ba4bbcecb8e07548
14:59 VanessaE anyways, jeija's waves seem to work, but RealBadAngel's shader does not:
14:59 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/​hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%​20-%2011032013%20-%2009:58:11%20AM.png
15:00 VanessaE the water waves up and down exactly like it should I guess, but those grey dots just flicker all over the water, as before
15:00 VanessaE does it matter that I'm doing this under the 'minimal' game?
15:00 PilzAdam VanessaE, pull
15:01 VanessaE pulled.
15:01 RealBadAngel im testing it with minimal too
15:01 VanessaE no change.
15:01 RealBadAngel no mods, clean build, just minimal
15:02 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, ummm... is it wanted that lava looks like water?
15:02 VanessaE no mods, clena build, minimal, and no config file.
15:02 VanessaE clean*
15:02 RealBadAngel no, its side effect
15:02 RealBadAngel as i said, water node have to be redefined to distinct water surface
15:02 RealBadAngel and shaders should work on this very tile
15:03 VanessaE PilzAdam: jeija's waves are definitely working.
15:03 RealBadAngel VanessaE, adding now fake geometry shaders
15:04 VanessaE RealBadAngel: what will that do?
15:04 PilzAdam do you get any warnings when running with --verbose?
15:04 RealBadAngel VanessaE, idk, but worth a try
15:06 VanessaE PilzAdam: nothing related to shaders.  Several warnings about tile_images being deprecated and one about CONTENT_IGNORE being redefined.
15:07 VanessaE http://pastebin.com/pdpPVS3x
15:07 PilzAdam Im making a win build, maybe you can run it wine :-p
15:07 VanessaE it's worth a try :P
15:09 VanessaE maybe your thing with lava looking like water is related?  ie. maybe the issue just manifests itself differently on my system.
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15:11 VanessaE or the version of X I'm using maybe.
15:11 VanessaE or G*d knows what else.
15:11 PilzAdam VanessaE, no, as RBA said thats a known bug in the code
15:12 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, can you add the link to my branch to the first post? so people can properly check it out
15:14 VanessaE fwiw, the lava doesn't just look like water - it looks *exactly* like water, as in the same exact flickering speckles and randomly-moving gradients
15:14 OldCoder VanessaE, I have PMd
15:15 PilzAdam nicey, the win build works
15:15 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, flowing water is grey, is that intentional?
15:16 VanessaE the water source in my hand flickers exactly the same way as the water on the ground
15:17 VanessaE flowing water is grey for me also - with the same flickering dots all over it
15:18 PilzAdam lol, the wabbeling of the water in my hand is epic
15:18 VanessaE PilzAdam: too bad the *bottom* surface of the water also wobbles :)
15:18 PilzAdam uploading the win build @ 130 KiB/s
15:19 PilzAdam and that thing is 11 MiB
15:20 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116916#p116916
15:21 VanessaE checking...
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15:22 VanessaE PilzAdam: nope.avi
15:22 VanessaE exactly the same artifact in the windows version.
15:22 VanessaE there must be something busted with my system
15:22 PilzAdam then its your graphics card
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15:23 PilzAdam <Calinou> update your drivers
15:23 PilzAdam :-p
15:24 john_minetest OldCoder: Just realized you pinged me
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15:27 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, opaque_water has no effect
15:31 OldCoder john_minetest, Hi! The channel is focused on the shaders thing today as I understand it... but download the latest version of my Windows client and see if it works under Windows 64 bits. Visit Zegaton please and tell me what textures or mods to fix. Homes are gone but I will restore them today. This copy of Zegaton is temporary.
15:31 OldCoder
15:31 NekoGloop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqfFieDY14E
15:31 OldCoder john_minetest, If you see Zeg9 please advise him of all of this. I value his mods and efforts and I wish to speak.
15:32 OldCoder http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131102.zip
15:32 kaeza this is like playing some weird survival horror game: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u​/100008207/screenshot_513177501.jpg
15:32 OldCoder R
15:32 OldCoder kaeza, Oh that is nice; from what? May I blog it?
15:33 OldCoder What world is it?
15:33 pitriss kaeza: this is like some big planet is burning in atmosphere:D
15:33 kaeza OldCoder, enabling RBA shaders on my cr*ppy GFX card
15:33 OldCoder What world is it?
15:33 OldCoder Random?
15:33 NekoGloop kaeza, dat reach
15:33 OldCoder So it is a test of RBA shaders
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15:34 OldCoder Zeg9, Hi! Zegaton is upgraded to latest!
15:34 Zeg9 Hey OldCoder
15:34 OldCoder And it is fast using kahrl kurl!
15:34 OldCoder :P
15:35 OldCoder Try this Windows client under both 32 and 64 bits if you have Windows:
15:35 OldCoder http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131102.zip
15:35 OldCoder World is still minetest.org port 30015
15:35 OldCoder Homes are gone but will be restored today and this copy of the world is temporary anyway
15:35 OldCoder Zeg9, see me again soon as I wish to discuss mods for the world
15:36 OldCoder Your mods in particular
15:36 OldCoder o/
15:36 Zeg9 ok
15:36 NekoGloop kaeza, have you modified how far you can reach?
15:36 kaeza NekoGloop, it's unmodified default
15:36 kaeza in creative mode
15:36 NekoGloop creative mode has long reach now?
15:36 kaeza yep
15:37 kaeza (or maybe I got it from PilzTest, don't remember)
15:37 Exio4 default
15:37 OldCoder Zeg9, one quick question before I leave for the office. Do your places and skins mods work with latest upstream MT? And can you PM me links for what your own latest versions are? Plus should I use your inventory etc. ? I need updated recommendations and links
15:37 OldCoder PM if you can either now or in the next few days
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15:42 VanessaE ok, switched to the official driver from amd rather than the package in the ubuntu repo.  verified it's working.  built irrlicht 1.8, now building PilzAdam's fork against it.
15:44 VanessaE hm, that's a little different.
15:44 VanessaE no more flickering dots, but the gradients are still dancing back and forth across the water surface.
15:44 PilzAdam screenshot?
15:44 VanessaE sec
15:45 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest_GLSLshade​rs/commit/683cfb691231d62bd1c8eda64cb1e7a8083cc596
15:45 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/​hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%​20-%2011032013%20-%2010:45:14%20AM.png
15:46 VanessaE that diagonal gradient and the circular blur dance back and forth across the surface together, but no more flickering dots.  water is waving up and down like it should.
15:49 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, pushed to my branch
15:50 VanessaE wait a minute here, now the water isn't waving anymore
15:51 RealBadAngel ive made default values to wave it sligthly less
15:51 PilzAdam the default values are not good
15:51 RealBadAngel imho now it look a bit better
15:51 PilzAdam it looks even more like jelly
15:52 RealBadAngel we can play with it and choose better default values
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15:53 PilzAdam our shaders still dont look as good as Terasology's
15:53 VanessaE our shaders don't fucking work at all for me :-/
15:53 Calinou hi
15:53 VanessaE 1120 shader units in my card, catalyst 13.11 drivers, and it still doesn't fucking work
15:53 Calinou PilzAdam: to make them as good we need cell shading, water wates and depth of field :P
15:54 Calinou shader units don't mean performance
15:54 Calinou don't judge with that :P
15:54 RealBadAngel code is ready to use reflections and refraction
15:54 Calinou s/wates/waves
15:54 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, then push it?
15:54 RealBadAngel i need to implement water rendering class, that will render those to textures
15:55 Calinou glass refraction/reflection would be cool too
15:55 Calinou some "warp" effect on lava texture
15:55 RealBadAngel i have working implementation of it in irrlicht
15:55 * VanessaE screams
15:55 PilzAdam so "I need to implement... " == "code is ready to use"?
15:55 RealBadAngel so its not a big deal
15:55 Calinou I didn't try the shaders
15:55 PilzAdam VanessaE, go buy an GTX 460
15:56 Calinou that card is slower :>
15:56 PilzAdam it works on it
16:02 VanessaE PilzAdam: passmark shows the two cards to be fairly comparable.  only about 5% difference in average speed (460 being slightly faster).
16:03 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/terrainTest
16:04 RealBadAngel this is repo with Irrlicht example i found somwhere
16:04 RealBadAngel it implements water class and rendering to textures
16:04 RealBadAngel also contains water shaders
16:05 RealBadAngel btw, both for glsl and directx
16:06 Calinou 460 is faster? that seems strange
16:06 VanessaE wish I could afford a GTX Titan :P
16:06 Calinou titan is useless
16:06 VanessaE Calinou: yeah, 2762 vs. 2570.
16:06 Calinou except for FP64 performance
16:06 Calinou 780 is half the price, it's 10% slower, factory OC'd ones are just as fast
16:07 Ritchie hi, i have a bit old IBM server with CPU Pentium 3 1 GHz, i am compiling blender on it several hours, CPU usage is near 100 %, i have minetestserver on it with a bunch of mods on it (4k limit was reached), i am playing with 2 players else while blender is being compiled, playing here is very smooth
16:08 Calinou pentium 3 is more than a bit old :P
16:09 VanessaE he can't run the binary build because it has one or more illegal-to-his-CPU instructions :)
16:09 Ritchie yeah, blender from website uses sse2, P3 doesn
16:09 Ritchie 't have SSE2
16:09 VanessaE ahh, I figured it might be an SSE issue
16:12 VanessaE woof!  anyone got about $200 to lend me for a GTX 770? :)
16:15 Calinou 770 is more than $200 :P
16:15 VanessaE oops, wait, I mean the 480.
16:17 VanessaE (looked at the wrong graph :P )
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16:17 Calinou 480 is insanely noisy and hot :P
16:19 VanessaE like my HD6870 :P
16:19 reactor john_minetest: pwned.
16:21 * NekoGloop curls up in VanessaE's lap
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16:30 nore Love that commit message:  Fix win32/msvc i18n (quite UGLY version, blame Microsoft)
16:31 reactor Microsoft is the state of a system administrator after years of sitting at night trying to fix Windows.
16:33 kaeza would that work on this? http://www.tylerwatt12.com/windoge.com/
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16:45 AspireMint Hello, i have problem with mesh/mt : http://i.imgur.com/o8n64RL.png?1  Anyone know why is it deformed?
16:45 OldCoder Zeg9, I have returned and am here for a while. PM if you have suggestions about mods in your world.
16:47 Zeg9 OldCoder, wb
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16:48 OldCoder Zeg9, ty and PM if you have thoughts. I will be AFK at times today but back off and on.
16:48 kaeza AspireMint, ask Jordach
16:48 OldCoder Jordach, Hi. I have upgraded a world and I am testing 32 and 64 bit Windows clients.
16:49 Jordach wait what
16:49 Jordach i've got shit to be doing atrm
16:49 Jordach atm*
16:55 us_0gb I don't remember who wanted it, but 0.4.8-ready landclaim is finished. It was a total rewrite, but the code is much simpler now, with that protection function skeleton ShadowNinja added to __builtin. As soon as 0.4.8 goes live, so will the new landclaim.
16:57 OldCoder I will keep questions brief as I am told focus is on shaders today. But should I turn off woolcraft and animated water external mods as they conflict with things that are now in minetest_game ?
16:57 OldCoder kaeza, VanessaE ?
16:57 us_0gb Yes, turn those off.
16:57 OldCoder us_0gb, thank you!!
16:57 VanessaE OldCoder: yes, remove them
16:57 us_0gb Wool can be crafted on its own now and water already animates.
16:58 nore us_0gb, good!
16:58 OldCoder And here is a tough one... Zeg9 says that unified inventory breaks inventory plus but it is needed by technic! I will ask Zeg9 if his own inventory plus is safe to use. Any thoughts?
16:59 us_0gb Technic breaks several things. It sort of .... takes over.
16:59 us_0gb Last I checked, anyway.
16:59 kaeza inventory_plus is not really needed for technic
16:59 VanessaE inventory plus is not needed by technic, and I don't think unified inventory is either.
16:59 kaeza err... unified_inventory
16:59 nore neither are needed
16:59 OldCoder Hmm... So possibly leave out unified inventory
16:59 OldCoder Zeg9, review the preceding when you return from AFK ^
17:00 VanessaE leave it out only if you must - it beats the hell out of all the other inventory mods.
17:00 * OldCoder is now unsure and will seek further input
17:00 OldCoder But Technic breaks it?
17:00 OldCoder And I can't leave out Technic, can it
17:00 us_0gb Unified Inventory is possessive though. No configuration or customization.
17:00 OldCoder * can I
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17:00 OldCoder Is consensus to leave out Unified Inventory then?
17:01 us_0gb I would leave it out, but some people would leave out inventory_plus instead. It's up to you.
17:01 OldCoder I wish primarily not to crash or break mods :-)
17:01 OldCoder Ah; Zeg9 is back
17:01 kaeza I guess it's up to the world "owners"
17:02 us_0gb In that case, inventory_plus is needed for some modules, but I don't think anything relies on unified_inventory.
17:02 kaeza last I recall from Octuteam, only thing that needed inventory_plus was money
17:02 OldCoder Which is used by several worlds
17:02 kaeza (and craft_guide, but UI supersedes it)
17:03 OldCoder Settled, then...
17:04 OldCoder Discussing with Zeg9 in PM now. Thanks.
17:16 * Jordach grumbles
17:17 thexyz OldCoder: /msg ChanServ set #minetest ENTRYMSG English channel: #minetest, Canal en español: ##minetest-es
17:17 OldCoder ?
17:17 us_0gb WHat's up, Jordach?
17:17 Jordach i got shit to be finishing today, and funnily enough my upload is being slow
17:17 OldCoder thexyz, What does that do?
17:17 Jordach and i cannot attach the archive to the email as it's 5mb over
17:17 us_0gb Oh, lovely.
17:17 OldCoder Entry message requires extra privileges? Odd
17:17 OldCoder That is considered more significant than topic?
17:18 OldCoder ShadowNinja, Jordach, thexyz, VanessaE, RealBadAngel is there consensus on the Entry Message change?
17:18 OldCoder thexyz, if there is consensus I will execute the change
17:18 Jordach im good
17:19 thexyz we should also add #minetest-de
17:19 Jordach RealBadAngel doesnt need to be pinged: he is not a channel operator
17:19 kaeza add al so #-de
17:19 kaeza -' '
17:19 OldCoder thexyz, proceed and indicate modified command
17:19 thexyz I need someone to translate "German channel" to German
17:20 OldCoder thexyz, plenty of German speakers will show up
17:20 Jordach ask sfan5
17:20 OldCoder Let me see if any are in my other channels
17:22 sfan5 Jordach: hm?
17:24 OldCoder sfan5, see above
17:25 OldCoder <thexyz> OldCoder: /msg ChanServ set #minetest ENTRYMSG English channel: #minetest, Canal en espaol: ##minetest-es
17:25 OldCoder How should German part be worded?
17:25 OldCoder sfan5, ^
17:25 PilzAdam Deutscher Kanal: #minetest-de
17:25 OldCoder Oh BTW TheLastProject espaol would be spelled with the funny n character
17:25 OldCoder Any other languages for today?
17:25 OldCoder s/TheLastProject/thexyz/ sorry
17:25 sfan5 OldCoder: <PilzAdam> Deutscher Kanal: #minetest-de
17:25 sfan5 like he already said
17:26 thexyz OldCoder: /msg ChanServ set #minetest ENTRYMSG English channel: #minetest, Deutscher Kanal: #minetest-de, Canal en espaol: ##minetest-es
17:26 kaeza español *
17:26 OldCoder Hmm; the n is not appearing
17:27 OldCoder sfan5, I am in 5 conversations ATM excuse me for missing that :-)
17:27 pitriss I have that n displayed
17:27 OldCoder Interesting! HexChat bug possibly
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17:27 sfan5 check the encoding you set for Freenode
17:27 * Zeg9 sees the n using hexchat
17:27 sfan5 I set it to UTF-8
17:28 Zeg9 hmm no
17:28 Zeg9 only the one kaeza said
17:28 OldCoder Checking encoding thanks
17:28 kaeza ññññññññññññññññññ :)
17:29 OldCoder Hmm.. does anybody know where that is set in HexChat or Xchat?
17:29 john_minetest back
17:29 OldCoder john_minetest, Hi
17:30 OldCoder Does anybody know where UTF-8 is set in HexChat or Xchat?
17:30 john_minetest OldCoder: there is "character chart" in some setting in HexChat
17:30 kaeza OldCoder, Hexchat->Network List->Select network->Edit
17:30 sfan5 OldCoder: XChat->Network list->.. damnit kaeza
17:30 OldCoder kaeza, yes I am there but don't see it
17:30 kaeza lel
17:30 OldCoder Ninja!
17:30 sfan5 how can you type that fast
17:30 sfan5 >.>
17:30 OldCoder I may try rebuilding HexChat
17:30 kaeza my hands are well trained... >.>
17:30 OldCoder Trained by the brained
17:31 OldCoder Fast is a blast
17:31 sfan5 NekoGloop is a kitten
17:31 OldCoder With cats he is smitten
17:31 NekoGloop meow
17:31 Jordach OldCoder, windows bin link please
17:31 sfan5 wonderful poem!
17:31 OldCoder Jordach, coming up... and I found UTF-8 setting
17:32 OldCoder Jordach, this EXE has now been tested with both 32 and 64 bit Windows...
17:32 sfan5 wait
17:32 sfan5 I actually use that Latin hybrid thing
17:32 kaeza OldCoder, anyway, in network config, at bottom of window there's a combobox labeled "character set"
17:32 kaeza set it to "UTF-8"
17:32 OldCoder kaeza, Yes I found it thanks
17:32 OldCoder sfan5, I may try that
17:32 OldCoder http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131102.zip
17:32 OldCoder Jordach, ^
17:32 Jordach grabbed
17:32 OldCoder Jordach, It has preloaded cache but no mods yet
17:32 OldCoder I am working on the set
17:32 OldCoder Try it with minetest.org port 30015
17:33 OldCoder Would somebody type that funny n character or do I need to restart IRC client first?
17:33 OldCoder thexyz, Jordach I will update entry message for channel as soon as n character is fixed
17:33 thexyz alright
17:33 OldCoder espa?ol
17:33 thexyz ññññññññññññññññññ
17:33 OldCoder Yes!!
17:33 OldCoder It works!
17:34 * OldCoder dances with joy
17:34 thexyz http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2013-11-03#i_3411007
17:34 OldCoder BACON /msg ChanServ set #minetest ENTRYMSG English channel: #minetest | Deutscher Kanal: #minetest-de | Canal en espa?ol: ##minetest-es
17:34 OldCoder Does that look right?
17:35 PilzAdam no
17:35 PilzAdam you write a ? instead of the n
17:35 OldCoder Nope
17:35 OldCoder Hang on...
17:35 OldCoder ???????
17:35 PilzAdam set your charset to "IRC (Latin / unicode hybrid)"
17:36 OldCoder I don't have that option... just UTF-8 and various ISO
17:36 OldCoder Hang on and excuse delays please
17:36 OldCoder Let me set UTF-8 and restart client
17:36 sfan5 wait.. I looked at the wrong network, I'm actually using UTF-8
17:36 OldCoder Heh
17:36 OldCoder Let me restart
17:37 OldCoder espa?ol
17:37 OldCoder Does that have the n or a question mark?
17:37 sfan5 a ?
17:37 OldCoder Hmm
17:37 sfan5 an*
17:37 OldCoder I will restart the client. Be right back in 3 minutes.
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17:39 ShadowNinja Perhaps prefix it with "Welcome to #minetest! "
17:39 OldCoder Could be...
17:39 OldCoder español
17:39 kaeza \o/
17:39 OldCoder Does anybody see an n there?
17:39 sfan5 yep
17:39 OldCoder Ah!
17:39 PilzAdam works now
17:40 NekoGloop no
17:40 NekoGloop I don't see it
17:40 OldCoder BACON /msg ChanServ set #minetest ENTRYMSG Welcome to Minetest | English channel: #minetest | Willkommen. Deutscher Kanal: #minetest-de | Bienvenido. Canal en español: ##minetest-es
17:40 NekoGloop but my client hates special characters
17:41 sfan5 NekoGloop: switch to UTF-8
17:41 sfan5 that looks right
17:41 OldCoder Folks happy with it? Can redo later.
17:41 sfan5 hm
17:41 kaeza looks ok
17:41 OldCoder exiting and entering to test
17:41 OldCoder left #minetest
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17:41 NekoGloop I don't even know how to do that
17:41 OldCoder Looks good here
17:42 sfan5 what about ''Welcome to the Minetest channel | English[....]''
17:42 sfan5 NekoGloop: which irc client?
17:42 OldCoder Don't want to be too long but O.K...
17:42 PilzAdam !kick PilzAdam this is way better to part than /part
17:42 PilzAdam was kicked by MinetestBot: this is way better to part than /part
17:42 NekoGloop don't are
17:42 sfan5 haha
17:42 PilzAdam joined #minetest
17:42 kaeza lol
17:42 NekoGloop don't care
17:42 sfan5 !kick sfan5 part, parts, parties, pants; meow
17:42 sfan5 was kicked by MinetestBot: part, parts, parties, pants; meow
17:42 sfan5 joined #minetest
17:42 NekoGloop you forgot panties
17:43 PilzAdam I wonder why it mentiones the english channel if the user already joins it
17:43 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, have you made win build with latest changes?
17:43 reactor joined #minetest
17:43 OldCoder reactor, Hi I will host your map if you like
17:43 OldCoder the 30MB one
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17:43 OldCoder RealBadAngel, I have done that
17:43 nore you don't need to op to use !kick?
17:43 OldCoder And it has been tested with 32 and 64 bit Windows
17:43 NekoGloop !kick NekoGloop lol
17:44 NekoGloop ;P
17:44 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, the win build is 54c8b (https://github.com/PilzAdam/mi​netest/commits/rba_shaders_2)
17:44 nore ?
17:44 reactor OldCoder: good.
17:44 reactor OldCoder: uh
17:44 NekoGloop was kicked by MinetestBot: lol; sorry for being late..
17:44 reactor OldCoder: you mean, host the package?
17:44 NekoGloop joined #minetest
17:44 nore wtf??
17:44 OldCoder or the world if you like
17:44 sfan5 nore: that wouldn't make sense
17:44 pitriss LOL
17:44 nore sfan5, what was the last one then?
17:44 sfan5 if you already have op you wouldn't need to use MinetestBot's ability
17:44 reactor OldCoder: okay; I like the world, too, then
17:44 reactor OldCoder: would like*
17:44 nore was that you?
17:45 OldCoder We will look at it
17:45 sfan5 yes :D
17:45 OldCoder If world can be merged with others, even better
17:45 reactor OldCoder: but it's not quite ready
17:45 OldCoder OK
17:45 nore so you need to be op for MinetestBot
17:45 reactor OldCoder: the world can, but it's huge
17:45 OldCoder Only 30MB?
17:45 reactor OldCoder: like 5x5 km
17:45 * OldCoder likes large worlds
17:45 OldCoder But 30MB does not sound too large
17:46 reactor hmm
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17:46 reactor it's 17M now; when I'll have ported the whole world, it will probably be about 30..40M
17:46 OldCoder Take your time and work on it... but if you like I will try it whenever
17:46 reactor And it's about 5x5 km
17:46 OldCoder Ported?
17:46 reactor also, I haven't ported underground
17:46 reactor Yes, from Minecraft.
17:46 OldCoder Ah!
17:46 OldCoder Have fun
17:46 reactor The map is not my work, I'm only porting it and fixing realism
17:47 reactor as in, replacing buildings with better models
17:47 reactor And I have no idea of what use this map will be.
17:47 reactor As for underground, well, it can be generated later procedurally, I think
17:48 thexyz guys, we've decided to have subforums in "Discussion in other languages", what languages should I add?
17:48 reactor Russian.
17:48 reactor German.
17:48 nore thexyz, French too
17:49 sfan5 MinetestBot has already seen 299 different people in the channels it is in </random>
17:49 nore (even if I don't use it, many other french users do...)
17:49 thexyz also, do you think it's a good idea?
17:49 PilzAdam sfan5, and how many friends does she have?
17:49 nore thexyz, yes
17:49 sfan5 PilzAdam: she doesn't record that into a SQL table yet :P
17:50 PilzAdam thexyz, meh, too many forums are not good
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17:52 thexyz PilzAdam: what's the problem with many subforums?
17:53 reactor OldCoder: if that's too big, we could cut out the city centre and use it.
17:53 reactor OldCoder: other than that, there are no interesting buildings around
17:53 OldCoder No!
17:53 OldCoder Yes!
17:54 reactor ?
17:54 OldCoder I mean... keep all the interesting parts
17:54 PilzAdam thexyz, it gets too muddled (what a nice word)
17:54 OldCoder And I'd love to merge some of my worlds... Better to have fewer large and interesting places than more smaller and scattered places
17:54 OldCoder reactor, ^
17:54 * OldCoder requests help from people in coming months to edit worlds
17:55 reactor OldCoder: how do I do that?
17:55 thexyz PilzAdam: how so?
17:55 reactor OldCoder: ofc I could save it as a scheme
17:55 OldCoder reactor, WorldEdit is good
17:55 reactor OldCoder: but that would take too much processor time
17:55 OldCoder One step at a time
17:55 OldCoder Ah
17:55 OldCoder Not for me, reactor :-)
17:56 reactor mk
17:56 OldCoder reactor, you may edit your world as you wish on my server
17:56 OldCoder reactor, will eight cores be sufficient for your needs?
17:56 reactor OldCoder: you have a multiworld setup?
17:56 PilzAdam thexyz, you need more clicks to get to a topic
17:56 OldCoder reactor, I have 20 worlds
17:56 reactor OldCoder: well, why if I could do it here and send you the results
17:56 reactor One server per world?
17:57 reactor Or all in one?
17:57 reactor But how...
17:57 PilzAdam thexyz, (if you are in a subforum, you need to move up, then into another subforum, and then into the new topic)
17:57 thexyz PilzAdam: meh
17:57 kaeza PilzAdam, ProTip: "Recently Active topics" link
17:57 OldCoder reactor, (1) First answer, you would use my server to do worldedit. The part you said about too slow. (2) Second answer, I have developed my own multiworld setup. It is about 14 months old.
17:57 thexyz that's like saying shit just because you want to say something, sorry
17:58 OldCoder I have run 20 worlds at a time without problems. But I need to merge some of the worlds. They are too small to be interesting otherwise.
17:58 PilzAdam kaeza, I prefere the topics being sorted in subforums
17:58 kaeza hurr
17:59 thexyz Calinou, Jordach, kaeza, sfan5, VanessaE: I'd like to ask all mods to help us move topics from this section https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?id=8 to appropriate subsections (make sure to UNCHECK "Leave a redirect topic in the forum from which the topic was moved.") and in case the appropriate subsection doesn't exist ask me to create it
17:59 reactor OldCoder: oh.
17:59 sfan5 thexyz: in the works
17:59 reactor OldCoder: but you have to run a separate server process per world, don't you?
17:59 kaeza thexyz, sure
17:59 OldCoder reactor, Yes
17:59 reactor Same here :D
18:00 reactor I've made a script for that.
18:00 reactor But it's kludgey.
18:00 Calinou :o subforums
18:00 OldCoder reactor, Actually I run multiple releases of MT servers in different trees as needed. You can have my scripts later on.
18:00 reactor OldCoder: have you made an rc script?
18:00 VanessaE thexyz: can't help there, I'm just a dumb single-language american :)
18:00 sfan5 http://i.imgur.com/YnMOy7q.png
18:00 reactor I can do the same with mine, but they're not rc. They're run from a custom rc script.
18:00 PilzAdam thexyz, oh wait, I just thought you wanted to add new forums instead of these "sections"
18:00 OldCoder reactor, I made daemons and startup scripts of different types. It is still under development.
18:00 PilzAdam strike my objection then
18:01 thexyz VanessaE: hey, google translate can identify the language
18:01 Jordach thexyz, you're fucking joking
18:01 reactor OldCoder: I think I would like to take a look at them
18:01 Jordach please hope you are
18:01 Jordach OldCoder, is there any new server
18:01 reactor OldCoder: also, speaking of the world
18:01 reactor You mean, I can host it there without cutting?
18:01 pitriss thexyz: I'm ponder if czech subforum is needed, I know few players from czech but i'm not sure if it have sense for few players..
18:02 thexyz Jordach: ?
18:02 thexyz I thought VE is joking, actually..
18:03 john_minetest Bump maps in minetest: How to enable them?
18:03 OldCoder Reviewing
18:03 john_minetest Do I need special texture packs?
18:03 PilzAdam john_minetest, enable_bumpmaps = true
18:03 reactor ChanServ or ChavServ?
18:03 PilzAdam eh, *enable_bumpmapping
18:03 reactor Bump mapping in Minetest is unnecessary.
18:03 OldCoder Jordach, Right now I am only running Zegaton. I am going to set up Minetest Classic soon. And reactor world which sounds quite interesting! I wish to merge some of the old worlds too so that there is room for new ones.
18:03 reactor And bad for your eyes.
18:03 reactor :(
18:04 PilzAdam john_minetest, and you need a TP that has bumpmaps of course
18:04 OldCoder reactor, The framework will be released as a new Minetest system
18:04 OldCoder reactor, summarize your world in a sentence for Jordach. It is a port of some MC place?
18:04 reactor Jordach: it's a port of TheZone by TsarCorp
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18:05 reactor Jordach: with custom, better, buildings
18:05 Jordach OldCoder, i've already vistited his Pripiyat
18:05 OldCoder Is that what it is called?
18:05 reactor There are also textures for it.
18:05 Calinou moved
18:05 OldCoder Apparently it is coming to Minetest. I look forward to seeing it.
18:05 reactor From some old version of that map.
18:05 Calinou reactor: bump mapping isn't bad for your eyes at all, it just looks better if done properly :P
18:05 reactor Calinou: I was kidding about that part.
18:06 sfan5 thexyz: all german topics moved
18:06 reactor OldCoder: it would be easier for me if someone ported it in one piece on a good machine
18:07 reactor I have to paste it by bits.
18:07 OldCoder reactor, What is involved? I have no MC tools
18:07 OldCoder I do have an acceptable machine
18:07 thexyz sfan5: how about other topics? it's not like you need to know the language to be able to move topics..
18:08 sfan5 ok, I'll move others too
18:08 reactor OldCoder: mcedit, and sfan5's scheme generator (modified version, I will provide you that if you're going to do this)
18:09 OldCoder If you wish I will do this
18:09 reactor It'll take ages, and the scheme will probably be as big as 4G
18:09 * OldCoder shrugs
18:09 pitriss thexyz: but If you like to create czech subforum then correct word will be "Česky" and i can post you links to three topics which are belongs there
18:09 OldCoder No big deal
18:09 reactor I'm not sure if worldedit will handle it
18:09 OldCoder reactor, Let us find out how mcedit works
18:09 OldCoder Provide links and so on now if you wish
18:09 sfan5 reactor: if needed you can split the file in multiple pieces
18:09 OldCoder reactor, I do have a good machine :-)
18:10 reactor Where do I start.
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18:10 VanessaE bbl
18:10 reactor Okay, we'll probably flood #minetest.
18:10 OldCoder Wherever you wish. Keep it here temporarily so that sfan5 and others can comment.
18:10 reactor #pripyat?
18:10 OldCoder No
18:10 Megaf Hi Gronx, welcome =)
18:10 kaeza I've moved all spanish ones
18:10 reactor Oh.
18:10 reactor Mkay.
18:10 OldCoder We can move to ##minebest
18:10 kaeza now moving portuguese
18:10 OldCoder sfan5, are you over there?
18:10 Gronx Hey Megaf :-)
18:10 sfan5 OldCoder: yes
18:11 OldCoder Would anybody else be able to watch the MC conversion and comment. Jordach ?
18:11 Megaf Gronx, the genius and cool people who develop minetest are here too
18:11 reactor OldCoder: I would start with fetching TheZone by TsarCorp, but be aware we don't need the whole map, only the Pripyat part.
18:11 PilzAdam sfan5, could you remove the [De]/[Ger] tags from the topics in the german subforum?
18:11 Gronx Megaf, I was about to say, is this where the cool kids hang out :-)
18:11 sfan5 PilzAdam: yes
18:11 reactor OldCoder: I don't know the coordinates, and that's a problem. I might instead give you the map I had already trimmed
18:12 reactor Because his map contains unrealistic stuff like STALKER locations
18:12 Megaf Gronx, VanessaE is a lovely and clever girl that made the trees and plants mod that I use on my server
18:12 reactor And the power plant located incorrectly.
18:12 Megaf we have to thank her =D
18:12 reactor The power plant would better be ported separately.
18:12 Gronx Megaf, I'd give a hand with the base code but c++ really isn't my strongest language
18:12 john_minetest anybody can recommend a not-that-high res texture pack with bumpmaps?
18:13 Gronx VanessaE,  well done on all the mods  :-)
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18:13 Megaf sfan5, thanks for your work too :)
18:14 PilzAdam sfan5, german topics: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5941 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6647 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6275
18:14 Megaf well, thanks everyone
18:14 OldCoder reactor, join ##minebest with two ##
18:15 OldCoder Megaf, Hi!
18:15 OldCoder Megaf, I do not think we have met. I am simply a server operator. Pleased to meet you.
18:15 sfan5 PilzAdam: moved
18:15 pitriss thexyz: czech topics https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6102 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1227 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6870 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4498
18:16 Megaf Hi OldCoder, I have some servers too :) You can find them on the servers page at the minetest forum
18:17 Megaf OldCoder, please to meet you too :)
18:17 * OldCoder nods
18:18 OldCoder Megaf, You are welcome to copies of my worlds once they stabilize again. I have about 20 of them.
18:18 OldCoder I think about 7 are worthwhile
18:21 pitriss thexyz: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4498 this isn tont french:) its czech:)
18:21 pitriss *is not
18:21 kaeza thexyz, can you create an italian subforum?
18:21 thexyz pitriss: moved, dunno why it ended up here
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18:21 thexyz kaeza: already done
18:21 kaeza ah :P
18:22 pitriss thexyz: np, thanks:)
18:26 kaeza ok, I'm not familiar with the remaining ones
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18:27 VanessaE back
18:29 Hunterz pitriss pm :)
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18:31 thexyz now it gets tricky!
18:32 PilzAdam brb
18:32 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4944 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4989 any help regarding language identification is appreciated
18:34 ShadowNinja thexyz: Filipino and Indeonesian acording to Google translate.
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18:35 ShadowNinja And the topic if the first is "Filipino discussion thread"...
18:36 thefamilygrog66 What's happening?
18:36 thexyz ShadowNinja: yeah, but how should I name the subforum?
18:36 ShadowNinja thexyz: "Filipino"?
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18:39 thexyz ShadowNinja: alright, and what position should it take?
18:39 ShadowNinja thexyz: Alphibetical.
18:39 thexyz I'm not really sure, the language code for Filipino is tl == Tagalog
18:40 thexyz it's hard to talk about alphabet when there are multiple languages
18:40 john_minetest water shader seems to make water buggy.
18:40 thexyz I'll put it before Français
18:40 john_minetest Half blocks seem not to work
18:40 john_minetest (flowing water)
18:41 VanessaE john_minetest: what opengl version?
18:42 john_minetest 3.3.11672
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18:42 Jordach seems to be a bug in pilzy's build http://i.imgur.com/j9xUV6s.png
18:42 Jordach anyone else got that
18:42 VanessaE Jordach: doe me, the solids work, but the liquids do not.
18:43 VanessaE for me*
18:43 Jordach it works and it doesnt work
18:43 Jordach oh wait, that's most of RBA's code
18:43 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7632
18:43 thexyz can me english?
18:43 Jordach lol
18:44 Jordach for some reason my eyes never see the other languages section
18:44 Jordach it's like i block it out for some reason
18:44 thexyz it was shit
18:45 thexyz it was okay when forums weren't as popular
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18:53 sfan5 wheres rba?
18:53 OldCoder He was here earlier
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18:54 Jordach !up h4.setun.net 30100
18:55 proller Jordach, h4.setun.net:30010
18:55 proller 10!
18:55 MinetestBot h4.setun.net:30100 seems to be down
18:55 PilzAdam Jordach, the fact that Im not here doesnt mean you can call me "pilzy"
18:55 OldCoder Heh
18:55 * Jordach plols
18:55 OldCoder Zeg9 is concerned that creepers are destructive. Are they?
18:55 VanessaE Calinou: what do you think of the GTX 660?
18:55 Jordach they explode when near players
18:56 Jordach VanessaE, doing shopping i see
18:56 Jordach try the GTX 680-
18:56 Jordach --
18:56 VanessaE 680's way out of my price range.
18:57 sfan5 !g nvidia gefore gtx 680
18:57 VanessaE they're going for about US $390 right now.  the 660 is under $200. :)
18:57 MinetestBot sfan5: http://www.geforce.com/hardwar​e/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-680
18:57 Calinou VanessaE: 660 is good. be sure to buy with a custom cooler (less noise)
18:57 * Zeg9 has a 660
18:57 Calinou buy 2GB, not 3GB, 3GB isn't needed for gaming
18:57 * sfan5 has a 520M
18:57 Calinou however, the 660 is little improvement over the 6870
18:57 VanessaE Calinou: I had this one in mind:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?I​tem=N82E16814125443&amp;nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction​&amp;cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Video%20Card%20​-%20Nvidia-_-GIGABYTE-_-14125443&amp;cm_sp=&​amp;AID=10440897&amp;PID=3087823&amp;SID=
18:57 us_0gb Would it be too weird to replace the Minetest oceans with sand?
18:58 Calinou so the investement isn't that useful unless you plan on selling the 6870
18:58 thexyz by a silent one
18:58 thexyz *buy
18:58 Calinou that's why I said custom coolers
18:58 Calinou there is no silent 660, they all have fans
18:58 NakedFury you get 2 nice games
18:58 thexyz not that silent
18:59 Calinou VanessaE: 770 is a renamed 680 by the way
18:59 Calinou much cheaper
18:59 VanessaE Calinou: passmark shows it being a bit less than twice as fast.
18:59 Calinou passmark could be biased, it's a proprietary windows benchmark
18:59 VanessaE true.
18:59 Calinou it seems to be quite biased
19:00 Calinou eg. HD 7970 has 5,195 and GTX 680 has 5,711
19:00 Calinou both have the same actual performance in games usually
19:01 Calinou (sometimes the HD 7970 is faster, sometimes the GTX 680 but it evens out)
19:03 PilzAdam brb
19:03 * VanessaE sighs
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19:04 Jordach dafuq pilzy
19:04 thexyz oh right, I remembered the model I've got
19:04 ShadowNinja plol
19:04 PilzAdam Jordach, hm?
19:04 Jordach haha it works
19:04 thexyz GTX670-DC2OG-2GD5 is what I have; it's silent enough for me
19:05 Jordach my GeForce 6200 is slient
19:05 Jordach ...there's no fan to begin with
19:05 Calinou most custom 660s are pretty quiet, because the GPU isn't that powerful
19:05 Calinou that's the upside of mid end cards
19:05 thexyz but meh, still had to install another one to power XBMC
19:05 sfan5 Jordach: I'm a huge fan of your graphics card (:D)
19:06 thexyz and all the silence is gone
19:06 PilzAdam thexyz, why is your title "Member" and not "Administrator" in the forums?
19:06 thexyz and I've figured out I've got so lazy I didn't install that new shiny hdd I got a week ago
19:07 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: -> Set Title.
19:07 thexyz PilzAdam: because equality
19:07 * Jordach wants Anti-Droid
19:07 kaeza stealth mode <.<
19:07 thexyz I think it's more honest when people think they're talking to another "member"
19:07 Jordach <thexyz> this isn't even my final form!
19:07 sfan5 ^ plol
19:08 thexyz to rephrase, it's a bit weird when people talk to you while treating you as "administrator"
19:08 * Jordach pokes john_minetest with a pm
19:08 PilzAdam thexyz, I dont like when the staff is hiding
19:09 Jordach +iyt
19:09 Jordach -y
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19:09 Jordach dammit john_minetest
19:09 PilzAdam at least you are still in the userlist listed as admin
19:09 thexyz PilzAdam: really? so you don't like this channel too? because OPs are usually not OPs
19:09 thexyz PilzAdam: that's because I'm not "hiding"
19:10 thexyz same with forums
19:10 Jordach -*- thexyz 's stealth mode engaged
19:10 PilzAdam I would actually prefer if "staff" would be voiced in this channel
19:10 thexyz then define staff
19:10 OldCoder What are "staff" though
19:10 OldCoder Ninja!
19:10 PilzAdam so people know who will probably know answers to their questions
19:10 thexyz now this is wrong
19:10 * Jordach rolls eye
19:10 Jordach +s
19:10 OldCoder That is basically saying experienced people
19:10 thexyz but those people aren't "staff"
19:11 PilzAdam "staff" is the wrong word then
19:11 thexyz then what
19:11 thexyz I'm not exactly sure what's your point
19:11 OldCoder Useful people?
19:11 thexyz people who are willing to answer questions?
19:11 thexyz those could be voiced
19:11 OldCoder Seems reasonable
19:11 PilzAdam people who have enough experience to answer many questions
19:12 thexyz who have enough experience or who are willing to help?
19:12 PilzAdam both, I guess
19:12 thexyz I'd vote for 2
19:12 thexyz 2nd*
19:12 thexyz because those can also redirect users to appropriate member
19:13 PilzAdam well, we cant voice someone who comes here for the first time and says "Im willing to answer questions but have no clue what Minetest is"
19:13 PilzAdam sorry for the exaggeration
19:13 VanessaE Calinou: http://www.compsource.com/ttechnote.asp?pa​rt_no=VCGGTX7702XPB&amp;vid=356&amp;src=PW
19:13 thexyz indeed
19:13 thexyz but we can't also voice people who are experienced but always answer like "fuck u rtfm"
19:14 PilzAdam of course
19:14 thexyz anyway, I think you should be talking to people who've got enough access to voice people
19:15 VanessaE is PNY still as good as they used to be?
19:15 Calinou reference cooler: noisy
19:15 PilzAdam maybe MinetestBot could give a number of people the ability to voice themselves, if they have time to answer questions
19:15 Calinou (well, worse-than-reference to be exact)
19:15 thexyz maybe
19:15 Calinou referene 770 cooler is ok, but is very rare :P
19:16 VanessaE I don't mind noise
19:16 thexyz then we should put a note regarding voice somewhere
19:16 thexyz in the topic, perhaps
19:16 PilzAdam yep
19:17 thexyz ShadowNinja: regarding the issue with your name, have you tried to contact the guy by email?
19:17 * Jordach still wants 64px avatars
19:17 thexyz s/name/forum name/
19:18 ShadowNinja thexyz: No, I have not.
19:19 ShadowNinja thexyz: I don't have access to him email, only PMs.
19:19 ShadowNinja his*
19:20 ShadowNinja But he hasn't been around for a while, so it may not still be valid.
19:20 thexyz as a developer you should be able to send a email
19:21 ShadowNinja thexyz: http://imgur.com/qyLmSZh
19:23 thexyz well then, send a PM
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19:30 ShadowNinja PM sent. How long should I wait thexyz?
19:31 thexyz \inf
19:31 thexyz sorry
19:31 thexyz \infty
19:31 thexyz can't latex
19:31 thexyz we don't have nickname drop policy
19:32 thexyz maybe we should have one
19:32 ShadowNinja Not a drop, just a swap.
19:33 thexyz "in case your nickname equals ShadowNinja your registration can be dropped after a month of inactivity"
19:33 reactor Can not allocate memory: ot of swap.
19:33 reactor s/ot/out/
19:33 ShadowNinja thexyz: Is there a way to change your forum email?
19:33 thexyz I think there is
19:33 thexyz at least, I was able to
19:34 thexyz are you going to bruteforce his pass and steal the account or something?
19:34 ShadowNinja Ah, yes, found it. It was a bit hidden.
19:34 ShadowNinja ? No, of course not.
19:34 thexyz oh, okay
19:36 ShadowNinja Just wanted to use SN@MT.net
19:40 Jordach ShadowNinja got ShadowNinja'd
19:40 Jordach seems legit :D
19:40 * EvergreenTree is back
19:40 ShadowNinja ?
19:41 ShadowNinja Refering to prior nick usage?
19:41 reactor s/fer/ferr/
19:41 EvergreenTree No, I was just away for a bit
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19:42 thexyz http://i.imgur.com/jRHeIsQ.jpg
19:43 reactor xD
19:43 reactor Is that real?
19:43 thexyz http://samogonka.livejournal.com/1127604.html
19:44 reactor You seem to know Russian.
19:45 thexyz you don't?
19:45 reactor I do.
19:45 proller everybody do.
19:45 thexyz well, yeah, I do since I live here
19:45 thexyz +es
19:46 reactor You're from Russia, too?
19:46 reactor Cool.
19:47 thexyz you too?
19:47 reactor I am.
19:47 thexyz unsurprising
19:48 reactor подопытный скончавшихся передозировкой препарат
19:50 reactor лишения сна вызванных проблемы мозг
19:51 thexyz uh
19:51 john_minetest that's russian. that's not romanized.
19:52 reactor john_minetest: you womanized?
19:52 reactor Oh. Sorry. Your accent. Well, that is not romanised yes.
19:52 reactor ry speaking in a clearer voice.
19:52 reactor s/ry/Try/
19:53 john_minetest РОМАНАИЗД СТУФ
19:53 john_minetest okay, bad kyrillic english :P
19:54 thexyz insulting people, how typical of you
19:55 reactor It is not typical.
19:55 thexyz I'm not sure what those sentences written in cyrillic mean, got brain problems or what?
19:55 reactor thexyz: so you don't know Russian.
19:55 thexyz okay
19:55 thexyz because it'd be so stupid to argue on
19:56 reactor But how come you live there and don't know Russian?
19:56 reactor s/th/h/
19:56 thexyz hm? I do
19:56 reactor 01:45 < thexyz> well, yeah, I do since I live here
19:57 reactor Are you trying to confuse me?
19:57 thexyz sorry, it's pointless to speak to you
19:57 reactor It is. Because I'm confused as hell now.
19:57 thexyz 23:55   thexyz: I'm not sure what those sentences written in cyrillic mean, got brain problems or what?
19:58 reactor First that "water glass man" picture. Now talk about rain broblemsp.
19:58 reactor Pardon. Sprain wwbbbsboblems.
19:59 reactor Argh.
19:59 reactor Brain problems.
19:59 thexyz I see
19:59 reactor I put these to test you.
19:59 reactor Whether you knew Russian.
20:02 reactor john_minetest: sorry.
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20:06 thexyz did I fail this test?
20:07 reactor Mmm-hmm.
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20:10 reactor Would you like to talk about failures?
20:11 Jordach EvergreenTree, still not regained your nick
20:11 Jordach even though you (own?) it
20:11 EvergreenTree No, I forgot to register it
20:11 EvergreenTree So EvergreenTree is my new nick (registered)
20:11 Jordach derp
20:11 us_0gb TeddyPig had his name stolen on IRC as well.
20:11 thexyz reactor: are you familiar?
20:12 Calinou the evergreen guy is in ##hardware :>
20:13 reactor thexyz: depends with what.
20:13 thexyz I see. I'd prefer not to
20:13 mmstick Any particular reason why I cannot register on the forums? It states: "Sorry, but your email identified as spam. You can not register on this forum." Are gmail addresses not allowed?
20:14 EvergreenTree us_0gb, who on earth would use the name TeddyPig except him.  :P
20:14 Calinou :o mmstick, I remember you from phoronix forums
20:14 us_0gb And he/she doesn't even capitalize it! I think we need to make IRC names case sensitive.
20:14 * Calinou slaps mmstick with a HD 7950
20:14 mmstick Yes that would be me
20:15 Jordach welcome to your doom
20:15 us_0gb EvergreenTree: I think the name was taken BECAUSE someone saw him use it. It's the only explanation I have.
20:15 us_0gb Name envy is a terrible thing.
20:15 EvergreenTree Bleh   Hate people who do that
20:15 thexyz mmstick: you've got flagged by SFS for some reason
20:15 reactor thexyz: I'm not sure what you're talking about.
20:16 us_0gb At least evergreen probably took your name without knowing.
20:16 thexyz reactor: what exactly is unclear?
20:17 reactor Nuclear?
20:17 thexyz mmstick: wait a moment, I'll disable it
20:17 reactor Nuclear energy is safe when used properly.
20:18 thexyz mmstick: done
20:18 thexyz reactor: I don't understand what's wrong with you
20:18 thexyz sorry
20:18 mmstick registered
20:18 thexyz mmstick: sorry for that
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20:19 reactor thexyz: nothing is. All systems alright.
20:21 BlockMen joined #minetest
20:22 us_0gb thexyz: The nuclear reactor's radiation may have scrambled his/her brain a bit.
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20:22 thexyz harsh
20:22 reactor us_0gb: I'm all right, Jack, but keep your hands off my stack!
20:23 reactor I mean, my program stack.
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20:32 MinetestBot GIT: 4Evergreen4 commited to minetest/minetest_game: Implemented facedir in the nyan cat rainbow 91849c3b4e 2013-11-03T12:30:24-08:00 http://git.io/nbxIIw
20:33 us_0gb Nice. I alaws thought the rainbows should have a facedir, but I didn't think that would get pulled.
20:35 EvergreenTree ^.^
20:35 EvergreenTree *achievement get - first merged pull request
20:35 us_0gb Congratulations!
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20:39 * Calinou got that achievement about 1 year ago
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20:43 Peacock weird, why is chanserv telling me about other language channels?
20:43 us_0gb Peacock: ChanServ thought you might be interested.
20:44 Peacock didnt know chanserv could serve topics lol
20:44 Peacock either way this place is hardly business enough to be worth splitting in 4
20:44 thexyz splitting?
20:44 Peacock *busy not business lol
20:44 thexyz how's that splitting
20:44 ShadowNinja Peacock: The other channels have existed for a while.
20:44 ShadowNinja Peacock: Only the ENTRYMSG is new.
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20:45 Peacock weird that chanserv is telling me about them now tho
20:45 OldCoder Peacock, it was added earlier based on consensus
20:45 PilzAdam maybe chanserv detected that you dont speak english good enough
20:46 Peacock better than most native english speakers lol
20:46 Peacock hopefully they're more lively than this place on most days lol
20:47 sfan5 good night everyone
20:47 us_0gb Good night, sfan5.
20:48 us_0gb I'd have to agree that you type better than most native speakers. It's sad how badly the natives type.
20:48 Peacock you should see my written french tho., pretty bad lol
20:48 us_0gb It makes me sad to call myself a native ...
20:49 Peacock well i already understand spoken american english better than english english
20:49 Peacock tho irish or scottish films i absolutely must have subtitles
20:51 Peacock hell even france french is nothing like north american french lol
20:53 us_0gb Natural languages .... bah! They evolve like actual organisms. And that includes divergence.
20:55 thexyz PilzAdam: says guy without ' on keyboard
20:55 JackGruff I say we chose one English dialect and stick with it. Except American.
20:55 Peacock german keyboards don't have singlequotes? must suck for programming lol
20:55 PilzAdam I have, I just dont use it
20:56 Peacock should see the differences between old english - middle english - modern english, lol
20:56 ShadowNinja Peacock: A joke.
20:56 thexyz PilzAdam: why?
20:57 PilzAdam its hard to reach
20:57 thexyz is being illiterate considered cool now?
20:57 thexyz oh, I see
20:57 TheLastProject us_0gb: With that attitude, I'm surprised I'm not seeing you in #lojban :P
20:57 JackGruff it's "unlliterate", thexyz
20:59 Peacock thats nonplus good JackGruff, you are now unperson XD
20:59 us_0gb TheLastProject: I had no idea Lojban existed .... That's just awesome!
21:00 thexyz JackGruff: my ungood
21:00 Peacock lol
21:00 TheLastProject us_0gb: .u'i
21:02 us_0gb TheLastProject: What is ".u'i"? Google only tells me stuff about user interfaces when I ask it.
21:02 TheLastProject us_0gb: It's lojban. To simplify it a lot, it's basically "lol"
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21:03 us_0gb I don't know that language yet. But learning it is now on my list of things to do.
21:03 us_0gb Too bad the list starts with catching up on homework.
21:04 TheLastProject Do your homework first :P
21:04 us_0gb Yeah, exactly and unfortunately.
21:04 TheLastProject But yeah, #lojban and #ckule are two lojban channels, the second one being to learn more. May be interesting for you to join them :P
21:06 us_0gb I don't know where Lojban ranks compared to C either. I want to learn that as well. And I have a few books I want to read. Plus a 32767-node Minetest game to build.
21:20 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Reworked formspecs and kahrl's hexcolor parser 25edae00ea 2013-11-03T13:14:37-08:00 http://git.io/bDzlCg
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21:43 dafull97 Hey all
21:43 Calinou hi
21:44 john_minetest hey
21:47 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Fix typo 5fbc39a76c 2013-11-03T13:33:06-08:00 http://git.io/5kvHeg
21:51 dafull97 question all, on a 512mb raspberry pi....
21:51 dafull97 what is the most people it could host at a time?
21:52 Peacock dunno, around 15ppl my dualcore starts to rush lol
21:53 Peacock 3gs of ram
21:53 dafull97 so, rush meaning stressing?
21:58 dafull97 Peacock? ^
21:58 Peacock oups sorry yeah
21:59 Peacock i think they even lowered the default max players in conf
21:59 Peacock or at least, talked about it
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22:00 john_minetest Lol, took me a whole day to draw a basic anime face and colorize it.
22:01 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix invalid usage of texture->getSize() where actually texture->getOriginalSize() was meant 68bbdf1b2c 2013-11-03T14:00:54-08:00 http://git.io/l_MqWw
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22:12 dafull97 http://hubcitylabs.org/unlocking-you​r-new-raspberry-pis-512mb-of-memory/
22:12 dafull97 would that help server performance? ^ peacock
22:13 john_minetest Hackberry A10 seems to be more suitable for that stuff than raspi
22:15 troller stop using slowberry shit! http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/pr​oducts/prdt_info.php?g_code=G137510300620
22:15 john_minetest 169...
22:15 john_minetest For that price I can buy a nice dualcore desktop.
22:15 john_minetest ok, not quite.
22:16 troller ok, http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/pr​oducts/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135341370451
22:16 troller 15x faster than pi
22:18 dafull97 troller quit trolling
22:18 john_minetest The prive is okay. But I want to have a decent PC that I can tear apart.
22:18 john_minetest Even my laptop is quite easy to tear apart.
22:18 troller its not trolling
22:19 john_minetest I somehow want to be able to tinker with stuff on software AND hardware level (although I only work on software level and never do hardware stuff).
22:19 john_minetest Btw, the most annoying thing about those little computers: THE SCREENS!!!
22:20 dafull97 ok, to all... what is good thing like raspberry pi that is lower than $100? P.S. - I nned to be able host minetest server on
22:20 john_minetest When I have got a computer that fits in my hollow tooth, I want to have a monitor that fits in my pocket.
22:20 dafull97 peacock want your input =) ^^
22:21 john_minetest dafull97: Hackberry A10, OLinuXino boards and the stuff troller mentioned
22:21 Peacock hm, i dont have a raspberri pi, just a netbook :/
22:21 john_minetest There are some USB monitors that have nice sizes and olinuxino has gpio pins with monitor support.
22:21 dafull97 what is the RAM for the, both
22:21 dafull97 them*
22:22 john_minetest Peacock: Tablet+Portable keyboard could be cheaper than netbook.
22:22 troller dafull97, odroid have 2g
22:22 dafull97 i have a Thinkpad with windows 8 it is good
22:24 dafull97 john_minetest, what is the RAM for the, both
22:25 Peacock not here
22:25 Peacock tablets are obscenely more expensive than netbooks with 1/4 of the capacity
22:26 Peacock for 200$ i got a netbook with 1gig ram and 250gb storage
22:26 Peacock didn't have to pay for a seperate keyboard either lol
22:27 dafull97 Can you upgrade ram in Raspberry pi?
22:27 dafull97 Peacock, john_minetest ^^
22:31 EvergreenTree Peacock, I got a laptop for ~199$ with 2gig of ram and ~80gig hard drive (not much space I know)
22:31 Peacock well i wouldnt mind an extra gig of ram but the netbook is mostly good for portable movies and webbrowsing for me
22:31 Peacock last netbook had 160gb and i thought that was small
22:32 Peacock (when you count how many movies you can fit on that)
22:32 EvergreenTree That laptop is actually my main computer.   :P
22:32 EvergreenTree I'm building a desktop soon though
22:33 EvergreenTree I did get 1 more gigabyte of ram for it, and a 1tb external hard drive, but that's it
22:33 john_minetest I got a laptop for over 600 with intel core duo 4500, 4 GB ram and 500 GB HDD.
22:33 john_minetest Okay, It's OLD.
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22:34 EvergreenTree I have a part list that will go for around 600 dollars that has 8gb of ram, an intel core i3 CPU, and a 1tb hard drive
22:37 john_minetest laptop or desktop?
22:37 EvergreenTree desktop
22:37 john_minetest hmmm
22:37 EvergreenTree Just a list though, not built yet
22:37 john_minetest i3 is quite old
22:38 john_minetest 1 TB is 60 Euros external HDD so it shouldn't be much more internal
22:38 john_minetest 8 GB ram shouldn't be expensive either.
22:38 EvergreenTree Any better suggestions?   I'm open to any  (the CPU should be less then 130 USD though)
22:41 VanessaE is there a way, with worldedit, to simulate digging by hand all the nodes in the selected area?
22:42 john_minetest EvergreenTree: Some AMDs there.
22:42 john_minetest i7 is 170 or so. Not much more.
22:42 EvergreenTree john_minetest, what amd cpu exactly?
22:43 EvergreenTree 170 is too much for me.
22:44 john_minetest http://www.amazon.com/AMD-4-Core-Processor-​Socket-FD4100WMGUSBX/dp/B005UBNL0A/ref=sr_1​_5/191-9970415-4989844?s=pc&amp;ie=UTF8&amp​;qid=1383518649&amp;sr=1-5&amp;keywords=cpu
22:44 john_minetest Like that one
22:45 EvergreenTree Okay, thank you for mentioning it
22:45 john_minetest EvergreenTree: Look out, some people state that AMDs are not that good. Higher energy consumption and stuff.
22:45 john_minetest Much cheaper though.
22:46 john_minetest Better ask people who know more about hardware.
22:48 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Use a doT.js template for the serverlist 50ea8601d5 2013-11-03T14:47:16-08:00 http://git.io/d5q4Pw
22:50 dafull97 Can you upgrade ram in Raspberry pi? @Peacock, john_minetest, and to all that know ^^
22:52 ShadowNinja dafull97: No, you can't.
22:52 ShadowNinja dafull97: That is you can't change it, you can by versions with more RAM built in.
22:52 ShadowNinja +u
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23:00 dafull97 ShadowNinja, what about i cant find any with more than 512mb
23:04 ShadowNinja dafull97: There are none with more than 512mb AFAIK.
23:04 ShadowNinja dafull97: If you want more try a differen't board, eg, the beaglebone.
23:04 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Only show servers with at least master.min_clients clients 4c2687775f 2013-11-03T15:02:07-08:00 http://git.io/2oeCvQ
23:09 us_0gb Um. Won't that prevent zero-client servers from getting users, as they won't show up on the list to choose?
23:10 Menche so if you don't have anyone on your server, you never will because they won't be able to find your server?
23:10 us_0gb Exactly.
23:10 Menche and because nobody checks the servers forum anymore now that the list is built into the client.
23:10 us_0gb Right.
23:10 PilzAdam bye
23:11 * us_0gb doesn't like that "feature"
23:11 VanessaE ShadowNinja: um, that seems like a bad idea...
23:12 EvergreenTree If I overwrite some things in minetest_game, what should the license be?
23:13 VanessaE unless of course the minimum is set to -1 by default :P
23:13 us_0gb The same as Minetest_game: GNU LGPLv2.1.
23:13 us_0gb Add an "or later" to that.
23:15 ShadowNinja us_0gb, VanessaE: That is not set in the default serverlist(s).
23:15 us_0gb So it's a feature to block new servers from getting users if listed on non-default server lists?
23:16 us_0gb Or servers that just came back up from being backed up.
23:16 Menche having trouble thinking of a case where that would be useful
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23:16 us_0gb Or even just detrimental.
23:16 us_0gb *undetrimental
23:17 ShadowNinja It is for unofficial serverlists to only show servers with clients. In any case it was in the previous version of the server list.
23:17 dafull97 ShadowNinja, Thanks... sorry took so long reply was looking at boards... what about this one -> https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A​20/A20-OLinuXino-MICRO/open-source-hardware
23:18 VanessaE dafull97:  olimex is good, but dorkbot is better
23:19 ShadowNinja dafull97: I don't know much about this.
23:19 VanessaE oh, looking at premade stuff eh
23:19 dafull97 yea, haha
23:20 VanessaE for some reason, I thought you were looking at getting your own stuff made :)
23:20 VanessaE dafull97: Unless olimex has improved since the last time I used them, dorkbot has better design rules and no restrictions on board shapes.
23:20 BlockMen bye everyone
23:20 VanessaE cya BlockMen
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23:20 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/OSZXaaB.png
23:21 dafull97 VanessaE, im looking at things like Raspberry pi, but more ram and good for Minetest/Minecraft Server like maybe 10-15 people at a time or more
23:21 VanessaE dammit I didn't mean to paste that last part :P
23:23 dafull97 VanessaE, any ideas ? ^^
23:23 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add a "More..." link when the serverlist is filtered 0fd29b7e09 2013-11-03T15:21:53-08:00 http://git.io/px7I7g
23:23 ShadowNinja us_0gb, Menche, VanessaE: ^ Batter?
23:23 us_0gb ShadowBot: MUCH better. Thank you!
23:24 VanessaE dafull97: how about a beagleboard?  I hear those are pretty good
23:24 dafull97 yea, i looked
23:24 VanessaE or what's that one Intel was working on?
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23:25 VanessaE ShadowNinja: yeah, that seems good to me.
23:26 dafull97 VanessaE, do you have any thing like these?
23:26 VanessaE dafull97: nope
23:27 VanessaE oh yeah, the Minnowborad
23:27 VanessaE er Minnowboard.
23:27 VanessaE but at $200, you may as well use a tablet or low-end PC.
23:27 dafull97 yes, http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBoard
23:27 VanessaE that was the Intel one I was talking about
23:28 dafull97 ^^ how many people would be able be on at a time in minetest server?
23:28 dafull97 on that link
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23:30 VanessaE if you keep the server very light weight, maybe 5 or so
23:30 VanessaE hard to say.
23:30 VanessaE it might handle 50, or 2.
23:31 VanessaE just depends on what mods you run
23:33 dafull97 ok, thanks...
23:35 dafull97 @ VanessaE, ShadowNinja, is it possible at all to connect to boards together and run 1 server off the two and they team up to take the load? sorry if it is a stupid qustion i always wondered about that haha
23:36 dafull97 and any that can awnswer
23:36 VanessaE nope.
23:36 VanessaE that requires clustering
23:36 dafull97 clustering, let me google that haha
23:37 VanessaE you might have a really *really* slim chance of getting Beowulf or ...whatever the native Linux one is, I forget... running, but that won't help performance much
23:37 VanessaE most of the heavy stuff is still in a single thread.
23:37 VanessaE clustering == multi-processing but spread across multiple computers instead of CPU cores.
23:38 dafull97 ok, how would i cluster? Lol... as you can tell i am really new to hardware stuff
23:38 VanessaE *looks it up*
23:38 VanessaE hm, guess there are several solutions.
23:38 * dafull97 is too
23:39 VanessaE clustering normally only requires a reliable network between two or more machines.  ethernet is sufficient for say 2 to 4 machines, anything faster and you better start thinking about other ways.
23:39 VanessaE the biggest clusters use SCSI-like solutions for their network
23:41 VanessaE back in the old days, we used to use IEC serial or IEEE-488 to network multiple C64's together :-)
23:42 dafull97 nice, how would i get them to interact like to host a single server
23:42 dafull97 ?
23:42 VanessaE you need a clustering program for that - basically a kernel compiled with that feature in mind
23:42 VanessaE I wouldn't bother, honestly.
23:43 VanessaE it's too much of a pain in the ass for so little gain at this end of the hardware spectru,m
23:43 VanessaE you're better off with a low-end PC
23:43 VanessaE -,
23:43 dafull97 oh i had an idea to get 2 512mb ram boards and cluster together haha
23:43 VanessaE heh
23:44 VanessaE http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/07/19/secret-r​ecipe-for-raspberry-pi-server-cluster-unleashed/
23:44 VanessaE here's an article on clustering with the RPi
23:44 dafull97 would save power and prob perform better than 1 1gb ram one, and thanks
23:44 VanessaE complete with a LEGO cluster frame :D
23:44 dafull97 looks cool =D
23:45 VanessaE saw an old article on hackaday some days ago, some guy did the same thing with a stack of like 20 Apple II boards.
23:45 dafull97 http://hubcitylabs.org/unlocking-you​r-new-raspberry-pis-512mb-of-memory/ and would this help with servers?
23:45 VanessaE he didn't exactly run modern mainstream apps on it though :P
23:46 dafull97 ohh, :/ look at the article above :)
23:46 VanessaE it might, I don't know enough about the RPi to say for sure
23:46 dafull97 ok... and would raspberry pi be better than a https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A​20/A20-OLinuXino-MICRO/open-source-hardware
23:47 * dafull97 is Getting Ideas =D
23:47 VanessaE hmm..
23:47 * VanessaE reads
23:48 dafull97 considering it is open source?
23:49 dafull97 and i will make swap file i have a 16gb sd card for it haha
23:49 VanessaE I would guess that Olimex board would be a fair bit faster.
23:49 dafull97 cheaper also
23:50 dafull97 than any other 1gb rams i found
23:50 dafull97 raspberry 512mb is a tad cheaper than this
23:50 dafull97 thanks VanessaE... and could you help me with hardware and networking
23:51 VanessaE on those devices, I would be of limited help since I've never used one
23:51 VanessaE hell I don't even have an Arduino :P
23:51 dafull97 sorry i am flooding chat so bad guys one last question, what happend to the low end hardware server?? "mcbride.homelinux.net"
23:52 dafull97 and VanessaE dont feel bad neither do i and i am talking about hardware and networking over all =D
23:53 VanessaE oh ok
23:53 VanessaE I could try :)
23:54 VanessaE (and, what flood?  the channel's usually dead about this time anyway)
23:54 ShadowNinja dafull97: Meg@f has a RPi server.
23:55 dafull97 What happend to low end  server? and thanks VanessaE.... ShadowNinja does he have Email?
23:55 dafull97 if so message me if you are willing to give it out
23:55 dafull97 just to talk to him about it
23:56 ShadowNinja dafull97: Megaf's E-mail? You will have to ask him.
23:56 dafull97 ok, i didnt know if you knew him well and had email in hand... when is he usally on his server or irc?

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