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00:06 Peacock i wish the game had a soft restart lol after 2 hours im already sick of modding :P
00:06 dumdidum hello, i just compiled the minetest stable-0.4 branch. when executing minetest i get the message:Could not load font because the file does not exist:
00:07 dumdidum 01:00:39: ERROR[main]: WARNING: Font file was not found. Using default font.
00:07 dumdidum what to do?
00:07 VanessaE don't run -stable :P
00:08 kaeza ^
00:08 us{0gb Stable works great. I don't know what these two are talking about.
00:09 us{0gb I don't know why you'd get a font error though.
00:09 us{0gb What system?
00:09 VanessaE us{0gb: stable doesn't work with anything newer than a few weeks ago git, though the opposite may be true
00:09 dumdidum linux
00:09 us{0gb Peacock: What do you mean?
00:09 Megaf folks, lets play on my Raspberry Pi Minimal server. =) https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7603
00:09 Megaf with 256 MB of ram only
00:09 Peacock ogb, well when i do php shit for clients, all i have to do is hit refresh
00:09 VanessaE us{0gb: a command to re-initialize the Lua environment
00:10 dumdidum the dev version works ...
00:10 VanessaE e.g. a way to restart the "server" process without a full exit+restart of the front-end
00:10 Peacock but for modding, to test any bit of code or new setting, i have to shutdown, restart the server constantly
00:10 dumdidum but the unstable technic mod is, well, very unstable ...
00:10 us{0gb I have more trouble with the dev versions than I ever do with stable.
00:10 Menche it was worse when the memory used by textures wasn't freed
00:10 us{0gb Mixing stable with unstable isn't going to work though.
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00:11 VanessaE well either way stable is badly outdated now
00:11 VanessaE what was it, 5 months ago?
00:11 Peacock yeah but people will keep using stable because it implies stability :P we just need 0.4.7 to be finalized
00:12 Peacock *0.4.8
00:12 us{0gb Latest stable, by definition, is not outdated. You're just using a future version.
00:12 kaeza lol
00:12 kaeza stable is no more stable than dev
00:12 VanessaE us{0gb: give it up, you lost this one :)
00:12 kaeza in fact, it may be possible that dev is way more stable than stable
00:12 VanessaE -stable can't use sokomine's windmills or >4k nodes!
00:12 VanessaE :)
00:12 Peacock shit keeps changing in dev, i wouldn't base a server on it necessarily
00:13 VanessaE Peacock: not really
00:13 VanessaE -dev is actually quite stable in that regard
00:13 Peacock well i dont need 4K nodes, i still need this thing to work on the p4
00:13 Peacock otherwise we might as well drop the "works on old hardware" moniker
00:13 VanessaE shit keeps *improving* in -dev, but rare is the time that something changes enough to actually break stuff
00:13 us{0gb Stable may be less stable. I'm not arguing that. I'm only saying that, by definition, latest stable is the CURRENT version. THe current version is not out dated.
00:14 VanessaE us{0gb: it's not considered 'current' anymore, even by the dev team
00:14 Peacock well then they should get to it and FF 0.4.8
00:14 Peacock the problem isn't people using stable, is stable itself being old, that's not the user's fault
00:15 pitriss Peacock: on p3 xeon, with reached 4k nodes limit it still is playable by 3 ppl at the same time without any problems (technic & mesecon mods included)
00:15 Menche could they postpone some of 0.4.8's goals to 0.4.9, just to get it out sooner?
00:15 Menche if even the devs think stable's outdated
00:15 Peacock there was indeed an issue about milestones changing :P
00:15 kaeza Menche, AFAIK, 0.4.8 will be out soon™(for real this time)
00:15 VanessaE actually, if I guess it right, 0.4.8-stable release is imminent
00:15 Menche lol
00:16 us{0gb Semantically, it is the current version as long as they continue to call it the latest version, regardless of what they consider it. I can consider the sky to be a lovely shade of hazel, but that doesn't make it true.
00:16 Menche that's been in the channel title for forever
00:16 VanessaE from the latest flurry of activity, it may be coming out fairly soon
00:16 us{0gb *"as long as they continue to call it the latest [stable] version"
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00:16 Peacock yeah i think c55 added core devs just to get the bloody thing finished lol
00:16 VanessaE sorta
00:16 Menche or just wrap up what's there and call it 0.4.7.1 :P
00:16 VanessaE more to the point, because development has slowed down so much lately
00:17 pitriss Menche: lol great idea:D
00:17 VanessaE heh
00:17 Menche chromium style version numbering
00:17 Peacock well, slowed down, or stalled on certain features
00:18 Peacock and my impression is there's lots of disagreements over pulls
00:18 Vazon VanessaE i need a bit of help and i know you for afact run Linux cuase you have helped me before but im on a new computer with a old windows operation (windows xp) and im tring to get Ubuntu on it but im not doing something right could you piont mye in the right direction plz
00:18 us{0gb Hasn't there always been a lot of disagreement over pulls?
00:19 Peacock judging from the logs it's worse lately :P
00:19 VanessaE us{0gb: pretty much
00:19 Miner_48er Vazon what have you done so far?
00:19 VanessaE though it seems to have improved mildly.
00:19 Miner_48er changed your nick back?
00:19 VanessaE Vazon: what help do you need?
00:20 Vazon o hey Miner XD nothing at all its a im just rying to install it thats it yes i have Miner
00:20 Vazon how to install Ubuntu over windows xp VanessaE
00:20 VanessaE I can't help you with that.
00:20 VanessaE I don't have any current windows experience
00:20 us{0gb If I had the time to learn C++ at the moment, I'd probably fork. I bet we could come up with a lot of similar cool games.
00:21 Vazon hm ok
00:21 Miner_48er Vazon which way do you want to install it?
00:21 kaeza Vazon, why not dual-boot?
00:21 VanessaE now if you mean "over" as in "to replace", then that's easy
00:21 pitriss Vazon: put that cd into drive, boot it and click install:D
00:21 Peacock ogb talk to rba about that
00:21 VanessaE just make a backup and tell Ubuntu to "erase" windows.
00:22 Vazon yes VanessaE
00:22 Vazon thats what i ment sorry for not being clear
00:22 us{0gb Peacock: Is RealBadAngel forking?
00:22 Peacock no but last i heard they're not interested in his textured sun and moon, i think it's good
00:22 VanessaE yeah, for that, you just need to boot with the ubuntu disc (or USB), "Install Ubuntu", and when it asks you if yoiu want to install, erase, do something else, etc. just tell it to erase.
00:22 Vazon make a back up? aorry this computer is older tahn im used to so i have no idea how
00:23 VanessaE that's one of the first questions it will ask you, after you select your language
00:23 VanessaE a backup of your personal files, maps, worlds, music, documents, etc.
00:23 Peacock and hell people keep asking me privately to do it and i dont know jack about cpp lol
00:23 Vazon Ubuntu disc? last time i just downloaded it from thewebsite
00:23 VanessaE backups == copy your files to a thumbdrive.
00:23 VanessaE ubuntu needs to be burned to a DVD, CD, or USB thumb drive
00:24 VanessaE to do it right
00:24 Vazon ok
00:24 us{0gb Peacock: I think the textured sun and mood are a great idea, assuming you can turn it off for some games, and use the old version. The default textures he included might be close enough to that.
00:24 Vazon can wemake a private chat VanessaE so we arent doing this on chat
00:24 VanessaE the proper way to it is to get the ISO file of Ubuntu,  burn it to CD or DVD or write it to USB thumbdrive as a "disc image"
00:24 Peacock well like i always say, options are good, more options is better than fewer options
00:24 VanessaE no
00:25 us{0gb Peacock: I agree! But certain developers here do not.
00:25 VanessaE more options is always better!
00:25 dumdidum another question. where can i see the preprocessor variables set by the build of minetest?
00:25 VanessaE (as long as they're easy to find and not confusing or poorly laid otu)
00:25 VanessaE out*)
00:26 Peacock so you make the textured sun/moon thing an API function, and if it's not called or defined, you use the default stuff, nothing is taken away
00:26 us{0gb Right.
00:26 VanessaE actually it's even easier.
00:26 Peacock the only people who don't like more options are those with tunnel-vision lol
00:26 VanessaE you just supply the appropriate images in your favorite texture pack.
00:26 VanessaE that's it.
00:27 VanessaE that's how it works with the current pull request.
00:27 Peacock id still rather an api function, cuz in my mind, it could be expanded to define multiple sattelites, different sizes and speeds
00:27 VanessaE sun.png, moon.png, and if you want to include them, a pair of tint maps.
00:27 VanessaE tone maps*
00:28 Peacock well either way, just having it would be a start, i hate the default sun/moon lol
00:28 VanessaE yes
00:28 Peacock i dont care that it has multiple shades at once, they're still ugly IMO lol
00:28 Peacock id rather use real textures
00:28 VanessaE but c55 doesn't like the current implementation because you can't tint different parts of the sun and moon separately.
00:29 us{0gb A guy on the other line that you probably have never heard of, hexafraction, was framed for something Minetest-related. I'd prefer not to say what. He wants to know if you hate him. Have you people even heard of him, and if so, are you upset with him?
00:29 VanessaE e.g. the sun's corona can't be tinted separately from the photosphere itself.
00:29 Vazon ok VanessaE i have a thumb drive in and ready to install it to thedrive what do i before puting it in the drive
00:29 VanessaE if who hates him
00:29 VanessaE >
00:29 VanessaE ?
00:29 Peacock so im guessing he put alot of time into multiple tints and probably resents that people would still rather use textures?
00:29 VanessaE I don't even know the name/.
00:30 Peacock and who's hexafraction? lol
00:30 us{0gb VanessaE: "Half the people on #minetest."
00:30 Peacock what other names has he used?
00:30 VanessaE Vazon: you need to use an image writer program to write the file to the thumbdrive.  can you boot into linux in any fashion at all right now?
00:30 VanessaE us{0gb: I don't recognize that name at all.
00:30 us{0gb Peacock: The name "hexafraction" is the one that was framed, I'm told.
00:30 Vazon no not on this computer
00:30 Menche think i heard the name in reference to ddos'ing, don't know any other details
00:30 Vazon on my labtop i can
00:31 Peacock DDOS'ing what?
00:31 Menche i think minetest servers or something
00:31 Peacock and DDOS'ing seems to be a weapon of choice for freetards, so i dont know why he'd be hated for that
00:31 Menche don't remember any other details
00:32 us{0gb Peacock: Yeah that was it. Another user stole his user name and DDoSed some people, myself included.
00:32 Peacock but why would the person need a username to DDOS at all?
00:33 VanessaE Vazon: ok, go to the laptop.  boot linux.  download the linux image to there.  use 'dd' to burn it to the USB thumb drive.
00:33 Vazon ok hold on
00:33 us{0gb The user name was used to frame/impersonate him.
00:33 us{0gb THat's all that was needed. Blame.
00:33 pitriss us{0gb: hehe I don't know him, but yes I'm upset with him.. ..just because I'm old grumpy fart:D
00:33 VanessaE haha
00:34 Peacock so if the person is innocent, why does he give a shit? something doesn't make sense here
00:34 Peacock from the way they're acting, i'd say he probably did do it yes, and wants forgiveness
00:35 us{0gb He cares about his reputation maybe? I don't know. He just found out about the indecent today, and it has him in knots.
00:35 Peacock if i was accused of doing some shit I didn't do, i wouldn't be afraid to show my face
00:35 Vazon ok im on linux on my laptop nowwhere do i find this image
00:36 us{0gb If someone comes in here as "0gb-us", it isn't me. Just saying.
00:36 us{0gb *"us-0gb"
00:36 us{0gb Vazon: What image do you need?
00:36 Peacock hell i could write a shitton of bad mods and put someone elses name on it, it wouldn't make it theirs lol
00:37 Vazon this if for installing ubunto
00:37 us{0gb Peacock: I saw someone do that once.
00:37 us{0gb I'll find the image. Hold on.
00:37 Vazon ok
00:38 us{0gb Vazon: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop Choose an image there. I'd recommend 12.04, VanessaE would probably recommend 13.10. It's really up to you.
00:39 Vazon i us 12.04 in my laptop and that is the one i want
00:39 VanessaE I'm running 13.10 now.
00:39 us{0gb VanessaE: I was almost certain that was the case.
00:39 VanessaE (I got pissed and wiped debian from my machine yesterday, with extreme prejudice)
00:39 VanessaE (or day before, whenever it was.  I don't pay attention :P )
00:39 us{0gb VanessaE: I thought there was a chance you were still on 13.04, but I knew you didn't use 12.04.
00:40 Menche what's wrong with debian?
00:40 Megaf off, nobody enthusiastic about the city im building on my raspberry pi... megaf.no-ip.info port 30001
00:40 us{0gb Debian wouldn't let her install something.
00:40 Megaf Debian here
00:41 Megaf works fine
00:41 us{0gb Megaf: If you want, I can stop by for a while, but I have to get back to homework soon.
00:41 pitriss Megaf: same here
00:41 VanessaE Menche: couldn't install google earth, for no love or money
00:41 VanessaE (turns out 13.10 was almost as problematic, but only *almost*)
00:41 us{0gb I liked Debian a lot, aside from the lack of drivers. BUt now I'm on Trisquel, and I'm back to not having the drivers I want.
00:42 Peacock lol
00:42 Peacock try mint or crunchbang
00:42 us{0gb Yeah. It happens.
00:42 Peacock or archbang if you're feeling adventurous
00:42 Megaf us{0gb, Debian 7 and Sid works well on my MacBook Pro and on my girlfriends SAMSUNG laptop, so works well on my grandmas PC
00:42 Menche don't see google earth in the debian repos
00:42 Menche it must not exist
00:42 Peacock arch needs it's own ubuntu-esque deriv
00:42 us{0gb Mint and Crunchbang aren't really my thing. I'll stick with Trisquel for now.
00:43 Megaf and yes, I like you to make a quick visit on my rpis server to tell me how does it feels
00:43 kaeza I don't understand people using something "more free", just to be restricted in other ways
00:43 Peacock i could never use trisquell or debian, i dont like a bunch of dev telling me what software i can and can't have easy access to
00:43 Evergreen Meh, anything with xfce, I don't really care
00:43 Evergreen *anything that works with
00:43 Peacock kaeza + 10
00:44 us{0gb I like Xfce too.
00:44 Peacock though eventually i will have to try slackware
00:44 Menche how does debian tell you what software you can't have?
00:44 Peacock i keep hearing good things about it and it's the only one i havent tried
00:44 us{0gb Menche: It just was incompatible, I think.
00:44 Peacock menche, one example is blender in debian repos not having collada plugin
00:45 Peacock blender from blender website does
00:46 Peacock and when i tried looking up the related issue/bug, it was closed because the collada removal was a political thing
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00:46 Vazon ok better
00:47 Peacock the only reason i dont still use archbang is i was sick of updates leading to breakage leading to a wasted evening of reinstalling the OS
00:47 Menche i haven't had that problem with stock Arch; that must be an archbang specific thing
00:47 Peacock and the pacman/aur thing drove me nuts too when packer stopped working
00:47 Menche yaourt!
00:47 Vazon VanessaE can you plz start that that chat back plz i cant ... Window just sticks i hate it now that i have used linux for 2 months
00:48 Peacock yeah except you can't get yaourt through pacman lol
00:48 Menche so?
00:48 Menche just dl the tarball, extract, and makepkg
00:48 VanessaE it only took me about 2 hours to completely wipe, re-install, re-populate, and re-configure my desktop
00:48 Peacock and i dont want to learn to fuck around with PKGBUILDs lol, im living in 2013
00:48 kaeza yaoiurt looks like an interesting name :P
00:48 Menche ...you don't have to learn about PKGBUILDS, lol
00:48 Menche just how to download and extract an archive :P
00:49 Menche well, and run 1 command too :P
00:49 VanessaE (I took a backup of my personal files, and did not have to restore from said backup).  Thank to a script I wrote some time back to automate the process.
00:49 Peacock arch with synaptic and a single type of repos would totally pwn debian
00:49 Menche there's a few graphical pacman frontends
00:49 Peacock tried all of them, they sucked and most of them didn't work as advertised lol
00:49 Menche a gnome packagekit one
00:50 * Menche doesn't like graphical package management
00:50 Peacock im sorry but i grew up with dos and later windows 3.1, i dont like using the terminal if i dont have to
00:51 dumdidum well, i think i have to give it up. i want to play minetest with technic mod but dev minetest needs dev technic mod which is really unstable (some recipes are old, some new -> some things doesn't work). and the stable minetest doesn't start because it can't find a font which is there ...
00:51 us{0gb I'm exited about a new Guix package manager. It's said that it doesn't break anything if interrupted during installation and has a rollback feature.
00:52 Peacock the main problem with package manager is sorting dependencies, if you update one thing before the other, everything fucks up lol
00:52 Peacock *managers
00:52 harrison think of the children! use your library voice mr Peacock
00:52 Peacock library voice? lol
00:53 kaeza dumdidum, what exactly does not work?
00:53 VanessaE children can learn to filter out the occasional swear.  they'll be speaking it soon enough anyway :P
00:53 Peacock and it might be early for me waking up at 6pm, but in europe and on the east coast kids should be in bed :P
00:53 dumdidum kaeza, in the technic mod?
00:53 harrison The execution and how it happened is on tape from security cameras is no doubt as to what happen and whose behind this we already know who pulled the trigger we will sooner than they think we can.
00:53 harrison The kids they die knew the danger and chose to be where their duty told them they had to be. They are the first blood in this war it will not be the last the road we have ahead of us is heavy and will be full of blood.
00:53 kaeza ...yes?
00:54 Peacock harrison, u on druuugs?
00:54 Peacock because crack is bad, mkaay?
00:54 VanessaE wtf are you going on about?
00:54 Peacock (ask Rob Ford)
00:55 pitriss Peacock: +1
00:55 Peacock speaking of Ontario
00:55 Peacock !seen thefamilygrog
00:55 MinetestBot Peacock: Sorry, I haven't seen thefamilygrog around.
00:55 dumdidum kaeza, one moment, i will have a look for the exact names
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00:58 general3214 Anyone here?
00:58 Peacock no we all left half an hour ago
00:59 john_minetest I am still here.
00:59 Peacock happy hour at McGuinty's
00:59 john_minetest But most of the time afk.
00:59 john_minetest It is 2:00 am here...
00:59 Peacock almost last call then :P
00:59 * us{0gb would be here, but isn't
01:00 dumdidum kaeza, lv solar array needs solar panel. there are two kinds of solar panel available. the old one can't be crafted but the new one can. but the new solar panel can't be used to craft a lv solar array.
01:00 us{0gb Scratch that. Better response:
01:00 proller NEW SUPER NO LAG system! right now on "Sky" server! join if you can
01:00 * us{0gb would be here if not for the fact that he's gone at the moment
01:01 Peacock my super no lag system involves gutting half or more of default game lol
01:01 dumdidum kaeza, when crafting a coal lv generator it becomes an unknown object. well this error i fixed localy after a while of searching.
01:01 us{0gb proller: WHat is the sky server? Is it the won where the spawn point is up in the indev floating islands?
01:01 general3214 The Minetest community has quite a lot of sarcasm.
01:02 NekoGloop I just don't care.
01:02 us{0gb general3214: We have to, to make it through the day. Times are hard here.
01:02 kaeza dumdidum, you may want to open an issue on github so it's not forgotten
01:02 proller us{0gb, now on 900+ mountain
01:02 general3214 us{0gb: I knew it!
01:03 Peacock general3214 http://youtu.be/ykku2FDftFg
01:03 us{0gb proller: 900+ mountain? Is it that Mount Moru plugin?
01:04 proller no, noise params
01:04 kaeza dumdidum, in any case, using the dev version helps find new bugs; if only the developers use the dev version, these issues can go unnoticed because the devs are either too busy or too lazy to test them
01:05 proller no need to play, just join
01:05 general3214 Peacock: Since you posted that link, the number of views changed from 1 to 4.
01:05 Peacock yeah i saw the original a few days ago without the subs
01:06 dumdidum kaeza, the generator bug is already fixed as i see :)
01:06 us{0gb Peacock: Awesome video. Thanks for sharing!
01:06 Peacock im a huge fan of john cleese, and think he's right on that score lol
01:09 us{0gb I don't know the guy, but I agree with his viewpoint in that video.
01:09 dumdidum kaeza, sure, you're right. but in the moment i don't have the time for bug hunting. but hey, right now i have just a problem with the solar panel. i got the generator to work. seems that i did something wrong last times ... so, all in all it's not as bad as i thought :D
01:09 Peacock well you can prolly find some fawtly tower episodes on youtube, or clips from monty python
01:11 Peacock ogb: best episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0
01:14 general3214 Has anyone made a world that is for displaying texture packs?
01:19 Megaf <Peacock> im sorry but i grew up with dos and later windows 3.1, i dont like using the terminal if i dont have to
01:19 Megaf I grew up with MSX, then DOS and then Windows 3.11, 95, 98, 2000, ME, XP, 2003
01:20 proller please join to "Sky" server to test new anti lag patch
01:20 Megaf then I noticed that windows is rubbish and knew about Linux
01:20 Megaf So my life began
01:20 Peacock megaf well linux looked pretty damned good when i had windowsMe to contend with
01:20 * kaeza grew up with a ZXSpectrum+
01:21 kaeza good old times :)
01:21 Megaf yup
01:21 Megaf have you ever tried RiscOS?
01:21 Megaf theres a version for Raspberry Pi
01:21 Megaf impressive how well it performs
01:21 Peacock but still, if i hated the terminal in windows and dos, why should i love using it in linux? because im free? lol
01:21 kaeza not yet
01:22 Peacock the only reason i was sold on linux was because of ubuntu double-D
01:22 Peacock the base system didn't have the driver i wanted, the driver wizard found the right one, even if prop.
01:22 pitriss kaeza: hehe I had Commodore 64
01:23 Peacock i prefer a mixed system that focuses on the best performance, not a pure system that focus on one arbitrary ideal of freedom
01:24 kaeza Peacock++
01:24 Peacock for trisquell, the focus is freedom to the power of 4, for arch, it's about focusing on minimalism, but it's just a tad more minimalist than i want
01:24 general3214 Right now I'm converting a Minecraft texture pack called Xenocontendi http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/117219-/
01:25 general3214 And don't worry; I've got all of the copyright stuff covered
01:26 Peacock sucks because an arch base with a modern finish would blow ubuntu out of the water
01:26 Peacock most of the options seem to suck right now
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01:31 Exio4 Peacock: if you compare DOS shell with any *nix's shell
01:31 Exio4 you are comparing the wrong thing
01:31 Exio4 s
01:31 Peacock i just dont like using text commands lol thats not so hard to comprehend
01:31 Peacock i was a kid last time i had to use them
01:32 Exio4 you can nowdays, use the terminal for connecting to irc, have full-featured file managers, multiplexers, connect to remote servers, code, etc
01:32 Exio4 the terminal is the hell of usefulness
01:32 Peacock that might be an advance for terminals, but most normal users are beyond using terminals
01:32 Exio4 more like an advance, a common thing when using *nix-powered shells
01:32 Peacock we live in an age of multi-monitor setups
01:33 Peacock not at all the same as the days of 14" CRTs
01:33 Exio4 you can have X11 and terminals on each monitor
01:33 Peacock well look, i wont bash you if you prefer using terminals, but i like modern-ish setups, but not as a modern as say gnome3
01:33 Exio4 gnome3 is the bullshit of the moment
01:33 Peacock xfce is gold for me lol
01:34 Peacock gnome3/unity need to die yes
01:34 Exio4 i use X11 with my terms, but i just say.. man, you're comparing the wrong things, the shell you used in DOS isn't like the one that is behind your OS
01:34 Exio4 DOS shell made people cry for a GUI
01:34 Peacock well when we were talking about terminals, it was in relation to pacman/aur/yaourt
01:34 Peacock and given the choice, id rather arch had something like synaptic
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01:35 Mossmanikin Hi folks
01:35 Exio4 pacman is good but the pkgbuilds of the packages are shit :(
01:35 Peacock when dealing with something as critical as system updates, i can't be worrying about knowing the right commands
01:35 Exio4 so you will be dealing with a gui?
01:35 Peacock agreed, i fucking hate pkgbuilds lol
01:35 Exio4 pkgbuilds are a nice idea
01:35 Peacock well 2 years of archbang made me long for synpatic lol
01:35 Exio4 they are like lite-ebuilds
01:36 Exio4 but the pkgbuilds used in arch packets are shit
01:36 Peacock apt simply has better dependency resolution than pacman or aur helpers
01:36 Exio4 packages**
01:36 Peacock i haven't broken my #! setup with a system update yet
01:36 Exio4 emerge!
01:36 Exio4 Peacock: that is called "good packages"
01:36 Peacock well tell that to arch supporters :P
01:36 Exio4 arch means not-well-tested packages
01:37 john_minetest Exio4: pkgbuilds are GREAT!!!
01:37 Exio4 only the core system is forced to go to "testing" and if nobody tries them = they get into master
01:37 Peacock yeah they tend to push shit when it's right out the gate, regardless of if it breaks everything or not
01:37 Exio4 tries them and says it doesn't work *
01:37 john_minetest Better than pretty much every other non-official repo system I have ever seen.
01:38 Peacock well thats why i say, a ubuntu-esque (oldschool ubuntu) version of arch would blow the actual ubuntu out of the water :P
01:38 Exio4 remember some time ago, when you were uber-fan of archlinux and the shit? and you said "nonono it is stable!!"?
01:38 Exio4 john_minetest: how is a pkgbuild related to aur
01:38 Peacock archbang used to be more stable than it is now
01:38 Exio4 fwiw, look at overlays ;)
01:38 Peacock things change with time, not just my opinion :P
01:39 Exio4 Peacock: it is archlinux, everything works for two months, everything explodes for a whole month, and so
01:39 Exio4 +on
01:39 Peacock the glibc fiasco fucked up alot of AB setups
01:39 Exio4 like, most of the big updates in a shitty rolling release
01:40 Exio4 gentoo is a lovely RS :>
01:40 Peacock problem is you got polar opposites as options: debian which takes forever to get new software, and arch that doesn't test jack before pushing it
01:40 Exio4 gentoo
01:41 NakedFury or windows
01:41 Peacock i hear too many bad things about gentoo, but i hear alot of good things about slackware
01:41 Exio4 windows? i don't want to use a window for chatting NakedFury
01:41 Exio4 Peacock: what bad things?
01:41 Exio4 mostly from people saying "meh, compiling", no?
01:42 Peacock just people complaining, the last time i looked it up was when i switched to #!, so i can't cite examples from memory
01:42 Exio4 gentoo is the evil of the distros
01:42 dumdidum gentoo works fine here :)
01:43 Exio4 i miss a gentoo setup here :(
01:43 Peacock im not terribly familiar with portage either
01:43 Exio4 but network problems, barely can have a debian sid
01:43 Exio4 Peacock: neither i am
01:43 Peacock having learned synaptic and pacman and all
01:43 Exio4 that is why manpages exist
01:43 Exio4 s
01:43 john_minetest Exio4: pkgbuilds work really good imo.
01:43 Peacock does gentoo have wicd, chromium, gedit, and no bloody pulse audio?
01:43 Exio4 Peacock: it has more than that?
01:44 Exio4 it is a real distro
01:44 Peacock one thing i like about AB over CB is AB doesn't bother with pulseaudio lol
01:44 Exio4 you install in gentoo whatever you want
01:44 Peacock well they're all real distros in a sense, 90% are based on another one
01:44 Exio4 john_minetest: do you know what i mean
01:44 Exio4 pkgbuilds itself are nice
01:44 Exio4 aur is other shit
01:44 Exio4 totally unrelated
01:44 john_minetest aur is cool.
01:45 Exio4 it is like comparing .exes with .zip
01:45 Peacock the biggest problem with arch is seperation between pacman and aur
01:45 Exio4 uh?
01:45 john_minetest AUR is basically a database of pkgbuilds.
01:45 Exio4 yeah
01:45 Exio4 a database of user-made pkgbuilds that nobody tried
01:45 Peacock well to the average user, AUR is where you get the other half of your favorite software
01:46 Exio4 tl;dr you are getting it from unknown software
01:46 Exio4 and for having a working arch-based system
01:46 Exio4 you need to get a shit load of stuff from aur
01:46 john_minetest Exio4: You can read the pkgbuilds.
01:46 Exio4 that is unstable, from -git or so
01:46 Peacock well i dont control pacman or its; repos lol all i know is i can get all the same shit from synaptic
01:46 john_minetest Also I don't need much from the AUR.
01:46 john_minetest Actually only need it for very special stuff.
01:46 Exio4 john_minetest: do you read all of them, and check by hand if they don't have something wrong?
01:48 Peacock i still prefer the simplicity and unity of synaptic, since you can add repos from there
01:48 john_minetest Exio4: I actually check nearly every pkgbuild.
01:48 john_minetest synaptic is GUI, right?
01:48 Peacock synaptic is a frontend for APT i think
01:48 john_minetest yeah. that's what I thought.
01:49 Exio4 john_minetest: nearly every
01:49 Exio4 and you can't rely on them, if they have an unknown download, do you install it anyway?
01:49 john_minetest Exio4: Those packages are made by users that I would call trusted.
01:49 Exio4 Peacock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funtoo
01:49 Peacock if pacman repos had all the shit i could find in AUR, and pacman had a frontend, it would be no contest, i'd go with arch
01:50 john_minetest Exio4: If there is an AUR linux kernel downloading from kernel.org I guess I can trus in it.
01:50 Peacock what is difference between funtoo and gentoo?
01:50 john_minetest funtoo is fun?
01:50 john_minetest gentoo is... not?
01:50 john_minetest i guess.
01:51 Exio4 Peacock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funtoo#Features
01:51 Peacock jesus a flowchart of linux distros would be helpful lol
01:53 john_minetest Peacock: Like that one -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil​e:Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg
01:59 Peacock slackware seems to be one of the base systems
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02:00 Peacock i do prefer systems with a big base/lots of devs/supporters
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02:05 Peacock i cant find gento on the graph though, which distro does it come from?
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02:27 harrison Mr Peacock, I am not on drugs just presently
02:27 Peacock well i've had a few beers
02:27 harrison I am attempting to cope without them
02:27 harrison for a few days
02:27 * NekoGloop has had halloween candy, does that qualify as drugs
02:27 Peacock by a few, i mean a dozen or more... it's allright, im canadian :P
02:28 harrison what do you suggest?
02:28 Mossmanikin Yes it does
02:28 * Menche has more candy than he should have :P
02:28 NekoGloop ;P
02:28 harrison wha baby seal walks into a bar
02:28 harrison what will you have?
02:28 NekoGloop harrison, baby seal clubbing jokes are not funny
02:28 harrison anything but a candian club
02:28 Peacock seal burger
02:28 harrison holocaust jokes are not funny
02:28 harrison anne frankly, i never tell them
02:29 Menche lol
02:29 harrison what is the most politacally correct month?
02:29 harrison politically
02:29 Peacock the only people that hunt seals are inuits, and its the same dumbasses that tell us to take care of the inuits that tell us to ban the only form of hunting they have lol
02:29 harrison only 12 months
02:29 harrison one is funny
02:30 NekoGloop June; it's the shortest named one and the government can't handle long words
02:30 harrison what is the most politically correct month?
02:30 harrison Close
02:30 harrison July
02:30 NekoGloop You Lie.
02:30 NekoGloop ;P
02:30 harrison Um, fail.
02:30 kaeza Menche, stop plauing candy box :P
02:31 kaeza plauing? playing!
02:31 harrison I can't say more on freenode.
02:31 NekoGloop harrison, say "July" and then "You Lie" outloud
02:31 * Menche has eaten 724,100 candies
02:31 harrison You don't get it.
02:31 harrison Say July
02:32 NekoGloop J-You Lie
02:32 harrison like the rest of political correctness
02:32 harrison a hetland pony walks into a bar
02:32 harrison shetland
02:32 kaeza does February March? no, but April May!
02:32 harrison the bartender says
02:32 kaeza punpunpun :D
02:33 harrison there must be a virus going around
02:33 NekoGloop Oh, watch out, it's the PUNisher!
02:33 harrison i am a little hoarse myself
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02:34 Inocudom What happened to the forums?
02:34 NekoGloop death
02:34 kaeza ?
02:34 Menche what about them?
02:34 harrison mr Peacock: do you have an opinion on 4-ac-?
02:34 Mossmanikin Watcha mean?
02:34 harrison 4-aco?
02:34 Inocudom I can't get on them.
02:34 Peacock wtf is that lol
02:34 harrison I can't say more on freenode.
02:35 kaeza Inocudom, they sem to work from here
02:35 kaeza +e
02:36 Inocudom They are up again.
02:36 Mossmanikin Don't have any problem to log in....
02:36 Mossmanikin Kk
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03:41 Mossmanikin I'm off, see ya
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04:34 * NekoGloop breaks the silence with an arol pickaxe
04:34 Peacock theres no performal oral on the channel permitted :P
04:34 Peacock *performing
04:37 Peacock though you might try setting a small fire :P
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05:53 Peacock waldorf salad?
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08:30 sfan5 hi everyone
08:30 nore hi sfan5
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09:46 john_minetest Hello everypony
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09:54 BlockMen hi everyone
09:55 kaeza hey BlockMen, john_minetest
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10:24 nore hi PilzAdam
10:24 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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10:31 jin_xi nore: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=1080 this is a game using mgv7 and a mod to make generated structures for custom biomes. but its a hack b/c no deco callback
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10:31 nore jin_xi, ?
10:32 nore this thread is about a dirt texture...
10:33 jin_xi oops
10:33 jin_xi https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=108059#p108059
10:39 * arsdragonfly is confused by the async lua engine
10:46 PilzAdam VanessaE, why have you closed my "Minmal game" topic?
10:46 PilzAdam there is no reason to
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10:56 reactor Mowing.
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11:13 reactor john_minetest: o/
11:13 reactor How's uni?
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12:08 Evergreen Hey everybody!
12:10 kaeza hey Evergreen
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12:11 kaeza Evergreen, I have normally ~45 FPS (under Xfce with compositing on, ~50-55 with compositing off), so ~40FPS while recording is not bad :P
12:17 VanessaE PilzAdam: because people have started necro-posting into it?
12:17 PilzAdam the game isnt dead
12:17 VanessaE it's generally not good form to leave an obviously dead topic open.
12:17 PilzAdam I still support it
12:17 VanessaE opened.
12:18 PilzAdam nobody posting in the forum doesnt mean nobody playing the game
12:18 VanessaE my post is deleted.
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12:18 Evergreen If it's dead, maybe there should be an old games topic or something.
12:18 Evergreen You never know who may use it
12:19 reactor o/ Evergreen. Defoliant?
12:19 VanessaE a closed topic doesn't mean the game is closed.  Posting into an old topic is considered improper, though.
12:19 Evergreen ^ Yes, but don't close the topic just because of that
12:19 Evergreen delete the person's post
12:19 VanessaE meh
12:19 VanessaE whatever
12:20 VanessaE it's already re-opened.
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12:30 reactor TheFirstProject: how's the science?
12:31 TheLastProject reactor: Good, good. Starting to figure out the most cruel way to get rid of people who make stupid jokes about my nickname. Progress is being made
12:31 reactor *slow clap*
12:32 reactor Good luck with that, pal.
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12:53 thexyz wow
12:53 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/search.php?a​ction=show_user_posts&amp;user_id=7894
12:54 thexyz is that what markov chains typically generate?
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12:58 dante1234 !up minetest.info.tm
12:58 MinetestBot minetest.info.tm:30000 seems to be down
12:59 reactor thexyz: I swear it, it's not me.
13:02 john_minetest hey reactor
13:10 Jordach markov chains LACK context
13:10 Jordach they join words that sound human, but are out of place
13:11 arsdragonfly what's the use of markov chains algorithm?
13:12 arsdragonfly spambot? SEO?
13:12 Jordach probably spam, i've seen some spambots actually make human sounding responces
13:12 Jordach except that they had to add a spam link in it
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13:18 markveidemanis i
13:18 markveidemanis Hi
13:18 john_minetest hey what's <a href="http://lawlz.that.is.a.link.​to.my.server.that.is.up.net">up</a>
13:18 VanessaE an HTML anchor?
13:19 VanessaE oh heh
13:19 VanessaE brain parse error :)
13:19 john_minetest It says "hey what's up" and points to my super-cool imaginary server that is imaginary up. :D
13:20 Exio4 [23:05:37] <Peacock> i cant find gento on the graph though, which distro does it come from?
13:21 Exio4 oh
13:21 Exio4 he left
13:21 thexyz indeed, markov chains were created for spam
13:21 thexyz of course
13:21 thexyz no doubt
13:24 Exio4 Jordach: a bot in other channel, with markov chains and so on, normally says "somewhat related" shit that, if you understand spanish i would post examples :P
13:24 Exio4 but it is like -talking about gentoo and slackware-; the bot says: i think the first one is better or things like that
13:25 Evergreen Great, semi-intelligent spam bots.   Just what the world needs
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13:29 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owD3d1S0LFg
13:29 Evergreen !title
13:29 MinetestBot Evergreen: Phoenix - Long Distance Call - YouTube
13:29 VanessaE kaeza: damn you.  ninja'd :)
13:30 kaeza :D
13:30 Exio4 hmm
13:31 Exio4 i'm thinking if hot-connecting the SATA HDDs to the mobo would work :P
13:31 VanessaE SATA is designed for hot-plugging, so why not?
13:31 Exio4 hot-plugging needs support in the mobo, OS and harddisk
13:32 Exio4 i'm pretty i have the last two
13:32 * Exio4 will try for the first
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13:32 VanessaE if it has SATA, you can be sure the hardware supports it.  the OS?  idk.  linux does I'm sure
13:32 Exio4 if i don't come back in 30m, call the ambulance (?)
13:32 VanessaE heh
13:32 ruskie I did a live replace of my mdraid via hotplugging
13:33 Exio4 my mobo btw :P http://www.asus.com/Motherboar​ds/M5A99X_EVO/#specifications
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13:49 arsdragonfly Interesting: there's no English entry for markov chain in Wikipedia
13:51 VanessaE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain
13:51 john_minetest I bet they marked it as insignificant
13:52 reactor john_minetest: hey.
13:52 john_minetest hey reactor
13:52 reactor MinetestBot: o/
13:52 reactor john_minetest: hey.
13:52 reactor markveidemanis: o/
13:52 arsdragonfly sorry there is... just can't get into it from other languages
13:53 reactor john_minetest: how's uni, mate?
13:53 MinetestBot reactor: o/
13:54 john_minetest reactor: A lot of work
13:54 john_minetest arsdragonfly: yep, it is not linked
13:55 reactor john_minetest: ?
13:55 reactor MinetestBot: I was not addressing you.
13:56 reactor MinetestBot: I suggest you rectify the logs.
13:56 reactor Brb, rectifying my logs.
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13:56 stormchaser3000 h
13:56 stormchaser3000 ii
13:57 stormchaser3000 i need help with linux
13:57 PilzAdam stormchaser3000, then you are in the wrong channel
13:57 stormchaser3000 ok
13:57 stormchaser3000 what chanel would i go to
13:58 Evergreen What distro do you use?
13:58 stormchaser3000 ubuntu
13:58 PilzAdam dunno, #linux or a channel of your distro
13:58 Evergreen #ubuntu
13:58 stormchaser3000 ok
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14:04 Exio4 how cute
14:05 Exio4 someone used the pliers and i don't know where they are now :(
14:07 reactor Exio4: finally, someone owning tools.
14:10 Exio4 hm? :P
14:12 * OldCoder will work on MT upgrades today and requests assistance from anybody willing to help. He will return in about one hour for this purpose.
14:12 OldCoder john_minetest, kaeza, this might include you and Shadow Ninja if he is about
14:15 reactor Exio4: most people I know do not own even a basic set of them.
14:15 reactor I don't know how they fix anything at home.
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14:23 Exio4 reactor: well, weird
14:23 reactor Indeed.
14:24 Exio4 here, of 10 houses, at least 7 or 8 have a basic-set, at least
14:24 reactor It's really lame to have to pay to a technician to screw in a new light bulb.
14:24 reactor s/pay to/pay/
14:24 Exio4 *at least*
14:25 reactor ...or they say they don't, in case I want to steal their precious tools.
14:25 reactor But god damn it. I got my own!
14:26 reactor Why would I, anyway.
14:27 Exio4 haha
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14:29 reactor Or they're afraid they will look "nerdy"? But it's not nerdy to own tools. It's rational to.
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15:11 harrison beauty is momentary in the mind
15:11 harrison the fitful tracing of a portal
15:11 harrison but in the mind it is immortal
15:11 harrison the body dies, the body's beauty lives...
15:11 reactor There is no portl gun for MT :(
15:11 reactor s/tl/tal/
15:11 VanessaE screw that, I'm gonna stay beautiful forever. :)
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15:14 harrison VanessaE: right on
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15:18 Exio4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobiz_Supersonic lol
15:19 reactor ?
15:21 Exio4 it is a funny game, never saw it and when downloading sega games, played it
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15:24 iqualfragile finaly the abms are in lua
15:25 nore yep...
15:25 nore so you can change it in different games
15:26 iqualfragile i one wanted to slow the growth of trees down
15:26 iqualfragile because they grow waay to fast
15:26 iqualfragile but it was not possible
15:26 nore you can...
15:26 nore (but they are in default game, so you will probably need to make a game)
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15:42 Exio4 make them mod-able :P
15:42 Exio4 call a function that calls the real func, and make the real func global
15:42 Exio4 you could change it by default.grow_tree or whatever, like the abm for lava cooling
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16:18 general3214 Hello!
16:18 t3o hi
16:18 us}0gb Hello!
16:18 general3214 :D
16:18 reactor I AM CORNHOLIO!
16:18 reactor MY BONGHOLE WILL NOT NEGOTIATE!
16:19 reactor s/ONG?UNG/
16:19 reactor s/ONG/UNG/
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16:19 general3214 What does that mean...?
16:19 kaeza just ignore him
16:19 t3o I have a question regarding serversetup with mods. Does it need the same plugins/mods be installed on the clients?
16:19 general3214 XD
16:19 kaeza t3o, no
16:19 us}0gb No, clients need no "mods".
16:20 t3o k thanks
16:20 us}0gb THe server sends the client any information it needs.
16:20 general3214 Hey kaeza, do you mind moving my mods? Or are they unworthy?
16:20 t3o good
16:22 general3214 I guess they are...
16:22 general3214 :O
16:22 general3214 You moved one!
16:23 general3214 Or was it you?
16:23 general3214 I'll just wait.
16:23 general3214 Now they're both moved!
16:24 general3214 Thanks!
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16:25 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116758#p116758
16:25 general3214 Joins with a link?
16:26 reactor Jordach: o/
16:26 general3214 $3 for a free game...
16:26 general3214 [quote=rubenwardy]Looks like a scam.[/quote]
16:27 Jordach general3214: lemme go crack the app :P
16:27 general3214 :D
16:27 Jordach im surprised it even works on the galaxy tab 2
16:27 general3214 Then I can test it with BlueStacks, even though it's an emulator of Android on PC!
16:28 Jordach which is near the bottom of the antutu benchmark top 20
16:28 general3214 ?
16:28 general3214 I'm no good with phones...
16:28 general3214 I mean I'm not familiar with their names and stuff
16:29 reactor Is that true Android runs on top of a Java machine?
16:30 t3o I try setting up a server on a headless computer.. Should I copy a world I created on my notebook? Is it tobe placed in games/minetest_game/worlds/ on the server?
16:30 Jordach reactor, yup
16:30 general3214 Hm... The blocks are upside down in the inventory... and are those purple chickens?
16:30 general3214 https://lh3.ggpht.com/Wtd-IZ34KYy2EVVZ9ViUo3wUXCL​P14dAY_yxwYQoknA2kwOODwdqwEzSmgn4ymc4oKaG=h900-rw
16:30 Jordach theyre folwers
16:30 Jordach flowers
16:30 general3214 Oh...
16:31 Jordach ugh, cant type for shit on a touchscreen
16:31 reactor This sucks.
16:31 reactor Probably cuts the speed by half.
16:31 Jordach i miss my damn accurate ipad (never missed a keystroke)
16:31 reactor I still wonder how people can type on fucking touchscreen.
16:32 reactor It's impossible.
16:32 reactor I mean, touch-type, not type while looking at it.
16:32 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PASqLy0cpio
16:32 reactor Everyone can type with one finger, of course.
16:32 general3214 If you know how to type with a keyboard, you know where all of the letters are-- Oh..
16:32 t3o or shall I put in in ~/.minetest/ ..?
16:32 reactor Keyboard provides tactile feedback, you know when the key is activated
16:33 reactor The problem with laser or screen keyboards is they don't.
16:33 reactor And you never know if it has worked and you have hit the right area.
16:33 general3214 NekoGloop: What did I just watch?
16:33 general3214 reactor: True.
16:33 NekoGloop music
16:34 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116758#p116758 Jordach drunk already?
16:34 Jordach btw, an app called buildcraft already exists on the play market
16:34 general3214 Quite... Original music.
16:34 reactor !yiyle
16:34 reactor !title
16:34 MinetestBot reactor: Minest Android version is online (Page 3) — General Discussion — Minetest Forums
16:34 Jordach lemme jusr tell them to dmca their ass
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16:35 thexyz that's not the behavior I'd expect from our moderators
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16:35 thexyz but oh well
16:35 general3214 Hm... The author of the OP has only made 6 posts. I wouldn't trust him.
16:35 Jordach thexyz, i hate it when theres a clear violation of the licenses
16:36 general3214 And he's been registered for only 4 days...
16:36 Jordach and he deseves it
16:36 thexyz I hate it when people shitpost
16:36 Jordach jojoa asked for multiplayer
16:36 Jordach and a free version, clearly he didnt listen
16:36 Jordach and cannot cleaely be asked to code or draw somethi foe himsef
16:37 general3214 Noticed that just a few seconds ago
16:37 thexyz wow, you're drunk for sure
16:37 NekoGloop Why is he drunk?
16:37 general3214 Wait... How old is Jordach?
16:37 Jordach old
16:37 NekoGloop He's stated that he's typing on a touchscreen
16:38 general3214 Pedo alert!
16:38 general3214 jk jk XD
16:38 Jordach general, tell THAT TO REACTOR
16:38 thexyz touchscreen? okay then
16:39 general3214 What about him? Is he a middle-age man waiting for victims?
16:39 Jordach thexyz, hes more intrested in money than open source
16:39 reactor Well. Eh. That was a joke.
16:39 general3214 I noticed that.
16:39 reactor Dan_D called me a pedo, and I wanted to teach him a lesson about such insults.
16:40 general3214 It seems the Minetest community is temporarily out of sarcasm.
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16:40 general3214 Wait
16:40 general3214 Let me rephrase that
16:40 sandman Anyone run minetest on a RPi?
16:40 reactor Out of sarcasm. Cure dumped.
16:40 sandman as a server, anyway
16:40 reactor s/Cure/Core/
16:40 general3214 It seems the Minetest community temporarily can't understand sarcasm
16:40 NekoGloop It seems like the minetest community is slowly running out of people.
16:40 Calinou sarcasm is bad
16:40 thexyz NekoGloop: i herd you love japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SAvIbyGR70
16:40 Jordach sandman, afaik no
16:40 Calinou NekoGloop: it doesn't?
16:41 Jordach 5$ wrong window closed
16:42 thexyz sandman: proller does
16:42 thexyz and some other guys too
16:42 kaeza there was another guy too, Megaf I think was his name
16:42 thexyz just check http://servers.minetest.net/
16:43 proller sandman, no, mine is odroid (15x faster than slowberry)
16:43 thexyz oh, my bad
16:43 general3214 thexyz, you have quite a dirty mind.
16:43 thexyz general3214: why?
16:44 general3214 First word of the video's title: HENTAI
16:44 thexyz oh well
16:45 thexyz not my worst side
16:45 general3214 I don't even want to get there
16:46 thexyz then don't
16:46 reactor thexyu: I'm disappointed
16:46 general3214 Ew.
16:47 thexyz reactor: you're getting repetitive
16:47 reactor Sorry.
16:48 reactor I do forget things I say.
16:48 thexyz this is bad
16:48 thexyz consult a doctor or something
16:49 Exio4 news about the android port?
16:49 reactor This is not.
16:49 thexyz Exio4: nothing
16:49 Exio4 meh :/
16:49 reactor It's just I don't pay enough attention to IRC.
16:49 thexyz I see
16:50 t3o arg, minetestserver -h says  --worldname ... implies local game. It implies local files but can serve a multiplayer online game with that local files!?
16:50 thexyz if that's not enough attention then I wonder what is
16:50 Exio4 nope t3o
16:50 general3214 I'm converthing this texture pack: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/117​219-16x-16-xenocontendi-resource-pack/
16:50 general3214 Minetest screenshot: http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/166/ul13.png
16:50 general3214 I still have yet to finish the grass
16:51 proller sandman, if you want less lags on pi - try -next branch
16:51 thexyz general3214: I can't find any license information there; did you contact the author?
16:51 t3o Exio4: "no" to what?
16:52 general3214 thexyz: Let me do some research
16:52 Exio4 wait, nevermind
16:52 reactor thexyz: I don't know. What the hell do you want from me?
16:52 Exio4 i don't think i understand what you wrote
16:52 * Exio4 goes away :P
16:52 t3o Exio4: np. :)
16:53 thexyz reactor: why do you think I need anything from you? I don't, relax
16:55 reactor Good. Would you like to talk about projection?
16:56 thexyz sorry, I'd prefer to not talk with you about anything
16:57 reactor That's actually good.
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16:58 pitriss sandman: i saw in server list some rpi server
17:02 OldCoder Is anybody available to help me untangle mods for upgrade? john_minetest? kaeza? ShadowNinja? VanessaE?
17:02 VanessaE I could help later, sure
17:02 OldCoder k
17:02 OldCoder 09:59:21: ERROR[main]: mod "mesecons_compatibility" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "doors"
17:02 OldCoder 09:59:21: ERROR[main]: mod "beds" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "wool"
17:02 OldCoder That is presently happening with Zegaton
17:02 VanessaE doors and wool are part of minetest_game now.
17:03 OldCoder But I have upgraded. I will look closer.
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17:03 OldCoder https://github.com/minetest/​minetest_game/zipball/master
17:04 OldCoder VanessaE, That is the *game I should use, correct?
17:04 VanessaE wool is the 12 or 15-color version (I forget which), so there will probably be some unknown blocks.  I never got a chance to write that updated version.
17:04 reactor why not tarball?
17:04 VanessaE yes, that's the one.  but why a zipball?  you should be using git to manage it.
17:04 OldCoder Presently I am focused on eliminating crashes
17:04 OldCoder And git is fine
17:04 VanessaE git clone git@github.com:minetest/minetest_game.git
17:04 OldCoder Should be same as ZIP?
17:04 VanessaE it's the same repo, yeah
17:05 VanessaE just saving you a little time :)
17:05 OldCoder So no difference
17:05 OldCoder I will review
17:05 OldCoder Focused on this today
17:05 VanessaE don't use the old "common" mods anymore, byw
17:05 VanessaE btw*
17:05 PilzAdam VanessaE, actually downloading a zip should be faster than cloning a whole repo
17:05 VanessaE PilzAdam: faster yes, but is it not also a bit more cumbersome to keep updated after that?
17:06 OldCoder VanessaE, One step at a time. Saving the old worlds is quite messy.
17:06 kaeza git is better in the long term
17:06 OldCoder Right now kaeza I just want it to run :-)
17:06 Exio4 git is easier
17:06 kaeza k
17:07 OldCoder kaeza, Did ShadowNinja fork your IRC mod?
17:07 Exio4 the zipball is download, uncompress, remove old file, and then repeat after any upgrade
17:07 Exio4 with git it is a clone for downloading and then just git pull
17:07 kaeza OldCoder, nope, same repo
17:07 OldCoder Hmm
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17:07 Exio4 git pull OldCoder
17:07 OldCoder Exio4, I will surely base all on git pull in the future. Today I seek to reconcile things and reduce crashes.
17:08 OldCoder I will report back in a bit after looking further at Zegaton.
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17:09 rubenwardy Hi all
17:09 kaeza hi ruben
17:09 rubenwardy Sup
17:09 rubenwardy Did you see my message to you on #minetest yesterday?
17:10 kaeza rubenwardy, gimme a sec
17:11 Exio4 wow i found a nice sega genesis game
17:11 Exio4 "Dune"
17:11 kaeza Exio4, wut
17:11 kaeza one of the best RTS around
17:12 kaeza Exio4, try General Chaos sometime :3
17:12 reactor One could cheat with grenades there.
17:13 reactor Pause the game after you've thrown a grenade.
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17:25 OldCoder mod "beds" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "wool"
17:25 OldCoder Comments are welcome ^
17:25 rubenwardy Oh no!
17:26 proller damn
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17:27 general3214 Currently testing out HexChat
17:28 general3214 Will be joining and quitting
17:28 PilzAdam general3214, do you need to be in this channel for this?
17:28 reactor XChat. :(
17:28 kaeza Windows 7 ;_;
17:28 reactor Oh. Pardon.
17:29 reactor kaeza: I second that.
17:29 TheLastProject general3214: Why not just join an empty channel?
17:29 general3214 PilzAdam, no. :D
17:30 general3214 TheLastProject: Just because.
17:30 general3214 jk jk
17:30 reactor Just because you want to annoy people with join/part spam.
17:31 thexyz oh those nervous people, getting annoyed after someone joins/parts 3 times in a row or so
17:31 thexyz just ignore joins/part if you're so easily annoyed by them
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17:32 general3214 Hey kaeza, your name is Diego?
17:33 Calinou it is
17:34 reactor thexyz: a bung for every hole, I see.
17:35 thexyz you're so fun
17:35 thexyz keep going
17:35 rubenwardy lol thexyz
17:36 reactor thexyz: thank you, so are you.
17:37 NekoGloop http://cdn.pokestache.com/2013/10/30​/pokestache.com_6832_1383245394.jpg
17:38 reactor !title
17:38 MinetestBot reactor: Document isn't HTML
17:38 reactor Oh yeah yeah.
17:39 thexyz reactor: I doubt I am
17:39 reactor Oh yeah yeah. Me, too, me, too.
17:39 reactor Exchanging sarcastic comments leads to nothing good eh.
17:40 OldCoder john_minetest, thexyz, Sokomine, ShadowNinja, PilzAdam, Calinou If you see this please lurk in ##minebest today and tomorrow. I am fiddling to revive worlds.
17:40 OldCoder anunakki, Hi BTW
17:40 Calinou thanks for the highlight
17:40 reactor OldCoder: as in, many worlds per server?
17:41 OldCoder Calinou, It is sincere. reactor 20 worlds.
17:41 thexyz reactor: wow, it's great you finally realised that
17:41 Calinou :p
17:41 reactor That would be iteresting.
17:41 Calinou sarcasm sucks
17:41 OldCoder Hm?
17:41 OldCoder Who is being sarcastic?
17:41 * OldCoder is very literal
17:41 reactor thexyz: I realised that at 23:35
17:42 reactor thexyz: I've never had any problem with sarcasm, I just think it's fun to return it.
17:42 thexyz I see
17:42 reactor OldCoder: 20 worlds is the max number?
17:43 us}0gb I just noticed that while sapling growth was moved to Lua, junglesapling growth was not.
17:44 ShadowNinja nore: ^
17:44 nore us}0gb, it was too
17:44 nore except that there is no junglesapling in minimal
17:45 OldCoder reactor, No... But I may cut back to 10 if the worlds can be merged
17:45 OldCoder Better large worlds that people visit than small ones that sit there
17:45 OldCoder This is for fun
17:45 reactor mk
17:45 reactor Well, 20 wouldn't be too many for large production systems.
17:45 us}0gb nore: I just git pulled, and junglesapling growth seems to be in content_abm.cpp.
17:46 nore where?
17:46 reactor Would probably reduce maintenance/storage costs.
17:46 reactor Maybe processing, too.
17:47 nore us}0gb, it is not in it
17:47 us}0gb nore: Line 100. Unless git messed up and didn't pull correctly. I'll check on GitHub real quickly.
17:47 nore Line 100: LiquidFreeze(ServerEnvironment *env, INodeDefManager *nodemgr) { }
17:47 nore (on github)
17:48 us}0gb ...
17:48 us}0gb Git is messing up then. I just pulled a few minutes ago.
17:48 us}0gb I'll try pulling again.
17:48 nore and how could there be junglesaplings but no saplings...?
17:48 nore it was only 1 function
17:49 us}0gb The function on my machine makes no references to "sapling", but does have an ABM for "junglesapling".
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17:50 nore the function runs for both sapling and junglesapling
17:50 nore and detects then if junglesapling
17:50 nore but anyway, it has been removed
17:50 us}0gb Git messed up. I don't know what happened.
17:50 us}0gb Sorry for the false alarm.
17:51 nore np
17:53 us}0gb I wonder if pulling got messed up because I edited one of the builtin Lua files or something. It might have made commits incompatible or something, then git left them out.
17:57 MinetestBot GIT: Warr1024 commited to minetest/minetest: Portability fixes for OpenBSD (and possibly NetBSD and others). 2636c92075 2013-11-02T10:41:26-07:00 http://git.io/_TYoDw
17:59 us}0gb Snow was removed as well? Nice. All the remaining nodes used by the engine are now "default:*" or "mapgen_*".
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18:00 general3214 Done with HexChat
18:01 nore us}0gb, what do you mean snow removed?
18:01 nore the alias?
18:01 nore it was for the dirt ABM IIRC
18:01 us}0gb Yeah. I don't seem to be detecting it in the source any more.
18:02 rubenwardy What do you guys think about #977?
18:02 rubenwardy woop
18:03 rubenwardy s
18:03 us}0gb rubenwardy: Minetest or minetest_game?
18:03 rubenwardy minetest
18:03 rubenwardy in #mt-dev now
18:03 nore I don't know if it is the best way to do it, but anyway, it is needed
18:04 rubenwardy going on HL2 now...
18:04 us}0gb I'm not sure what it is supposed to do.
18:04 us}0gb Stop the menu lag, but how?
18:05 rubenwardy async
18:05 rubenwardy The menu downloads mod listings from forum.minetest.net/mmdb
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18:06 john_minetest There should be categorisation of mods
18:06 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add basic protection support to builtin 06a5eceb81 2013-11-02T11:01:10-07:00 http://git.io/eqnH0Q
18:06 us}0gb "Async" tells me nothing. I don't understand what that is supposed to do to menu speed, as it still has to load.
18:07 john_minetest Like "vegitation", "mobs", "blocks" or "mesecons" or "technic".
18:07 reactor s/egit/eget/
18:07 nore us}0gb, it does it in a separate thread
18:08 Evergreen Can a core dev approve/disapprove this pull request?    https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/197
18:08 us}0gb So ... it makes the menu unfreeze, but takes just as long to download the list? THat would make it less annoying, as you could switch away from that tab if it took too long.
18:09 ShadowNinja Evergreen: Better to ask that in -dev.
18:09 Evergreen Okay, fine
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18:27 kaeza bas080, check OCD pulls
18:28 bas080 kaeza, ok :)
18:29 reactor OCD, as in, obsessive-compulsive disorder?
18:29 kaeza the description and context is even larger than the actual patch :P
18:30 bas080 no matter. errors are not user friendly. Thnx!
18:30 bas080 reactor, Obsessive Consistent Design
18:30 kaeza BTW, the tree leaves don't work with fancy trees disabled (they don't show at all)
18:31 reactor Consistence actually matters.
18:31 bas080 reactor, imo, yes.
18:31 reactor kaeza: missing texture for non-transparent?
18:31 bas080 kaeza, thats not good
18:31 reactor Or... I might be confusing with Minecraft.
18:31 kaeza reactor, yes
18:32 reactor What, confusing?
18:32 bas080 Are there people playing OCD? There is no server running it...
18:32 kaeza bas080, I just decided to try it, looks good
18:32 kaeza I guess it's not publicized enough
18:33 kaeza :P
18:33 bas080 kaeza, it needs a server
18:33 bas080 I don't have the capabilities to run it smoothly.
18:34 reactor bas080: what is it?
18:35 bas080 it's a game
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18:35 bas080 reactor, very simple grfx so it also runs smoothly on low end pc's
18:36 reactor oh
18:36 reactor is it minetest-based
18:36 reactor ?
18:37 reactor Shit. Why do they put "LF" so close to "/"?
18:38 bas080 reactor,  yes  it is. It's not like nyan world which is based on the engine but not on the gameplay
18:38 reactor hmm
18:40 thexyz bas080: I can host a server if you want
18:41 bas080 thexyz, yes plz, I'm up for finding those inconsistencies
18:43 thexyz okay
18:43 reactor What kind of inconsistencies, exactly?
18:43 bas080 It is different in gameplay as it requires power sources to create light and torches burn out.
18:44 bas080 graphical and bugs
18:45 reactor Where do you find room for all the wiring?
18:45 reactor Also, torches burning out would be a problem for pre-made maps.
18:46 bas080 Yes, but you get about an hour to replace the torches with "electrical" ones before they burn out.
18:47 bas080 Also they only burnout when within a defined range
18:47 PilzAdam so you have torches that detect if you are arround and turn themselves off if you walk away?
18:47 bas080 There are solar panels and coal plants
18:47 bas080 PilzAdam, no it uses the node timer
18:47 bas080 Node timer only works in certain range
18:47 thexyz bas080: it's up now
18:48 reactor FYI, solar panels that do real power are huge.
18:48 reactor And need to be installed in the desert.
18:48 thexyz ocd.minetest.net:33333
18:49 bas080 They are a bit buggy as they work when they are in light. Even if the light source is lava
18:50 PilzAdam IRL solar panels work with all light sources
18:51 NekoGloop They just work best with solar light, preferrably in a desert.
18:51 reactor Yes.
18:52 reactor You probably won't be able to make it produce enough power to power lots of lights in normal climate.
18:55 thexyz bas080: shall I give you all privs?
18:55 thexyz I don't think I'll be playing it actively
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18:56 thexyz but I'll try to keep it up
18:56 general3214 How do I make a semi-transparent texture?
18:57 anunakki hi OldCoder
18:57 reactor that's probably not supported, general3214
18:57 anunakki sorry didnt see it earlier
18:57 general3214 oh okay
18:58 OldCoder o/
18:59 general3214 reactor, I just tried using semi-transparent textures for destroying blocks and it worked
18:59 reactor Woah.
18:59 reactor I didn't know.
18:59 reactor Good.
19:00 general3214 Here's a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/wZ9qwbL.png
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19:23 Inocudom You here OldCoder?
19:25 Inocudom I am waiting for either Fess, sfan5, or BlockMen to make a new build of proller's branch.
19:25 sfan5 I'm busy ATM
19:26 proller wait, im building new
19:28 Inocudom You are making a build yourself, proller. You would probably be skilled at that.
19:28 proller i can make package for freebsd 8)
19:33 Inocudom Recently, Minetest gained protection support. That, along with locked chests, make Minetest's servers safer than those of Minecraft (which still doesn't even have locked chests.)
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19:38 markveidemanis Hi
19:38 bas080 thexyz, it would be nice to have all privs. Also, i noticed that the version is not the latest. Iĺl be sure to merge and push soon
19:38 proller but we have lot of unmovable locked chest on maps
19:38 us}0gb Hello!
19:39 markveidemanis What was that website that had text you could type on? i remember it had links, teleports,and was made in python
19:39 markveidemanis text{world} ?
19:39 reactor Nighty.
19:39 us}0gb No idea, markveidemanis.
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19:39 sfan5 markveidemanis: http://www.yourworldoftext.com/
19:40 markveidemanis yea, thanks
19:40 markveidemanis Now i have a faster pc...
19:40 thexyz bas080: okay, done
19:41 bas080 thexyz, ty
19:41 proller Inocudom, next ready
19:44 markveidemanis http://www.yourworldoftext.com/~markveidemanis/ ANyone know the song?
19:44 Inocudom I see. You updated the repository of your next branch. Very exciting.
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19:47 Inocudom I wish Minetest had some sort of auto-update function in it (updates a build to current git.) There could be times when it could be a better option.
19:49 Inocudom The features of the next branch are exciting, like the no server lag one and the slippery function one.
19:50 Inocudom I don't know if Fess quite understands how to make builds of the next branch yet. Might have to explain it to him more.
19:51 Inocudom I used the last one he made of it, but in it the content_ignore error appeared frequently.
19:52 thexyz how could it update itself?
19:54 Inocudom Sort of in the manner that Xonotic can via an rsync tool? Of course, that process would have to be understood. Maybe somebody in the Xonotic forums knows. Calinou does appear in the Xonotic and Red Eclipse communities.
19:55 Inocudom I hear that a similar tool could be in the works for Red Eclipse.
19:56 Inocudom I also hope that oOChainLynxOo will consider testing a build of the next branch sometime. Would make the game run faster on his laptop.
19:57 thexyz there's no point in making autoupdater for anything other than windows
19:58 us}0gb If you're on a deb-using system, you could use the unstable PPA. Then just run an update check whenever you feel like updating.
19:59 us}0gb Or I could send you the script I use for updating (including compilation) from GitHub.
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20:06 OldCoder Does anybody have a link to latest NekoGloop Gems mod?
20:07 OldCoder It is throwing an exception for axedigf not defined; wish to check newest
20:07 NekoGloop Geez
20:07 NekoGloop -I- don't even have that.
20:10 OldCoder Ah
20:10 OldCoder So what was axedigf from?
20:10 OldCoder Hmm
20:11 OldCoder If I post a list of mods would anybody care to say which ones should probably be turned off?
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20:12 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/mods.txt
20:12 OldCoder Opinions on that list linked above are very welcome!
20:12 OldCoder Please to advise an old coder which mods should be disabled
20:13 OldCoder For a random world
20:13 us}0gb Id turn item_drop and item_pickup off, myself.
20:13 OldCoder t y!
20:14 Calinou disable all mods but moreblocks, moreores and maptools
20:14 * Calinou gallops away
20:14 OldCoder Heh
20:14 us}0gb Irc causes crashes on my server, but if it doesn't on yours, I'd keep that on.
20:14 OldCoder Granted. Towntest is dangerous. Enable that one by one
20:14 OldCoder ufos ditto
20:15 markveidemanis good ol' VeideStairs
20:15 * markveidemanis goes to play Half-Life 2...Again
20:15 NekoGloop axedigf...
20:15 OldCoder markveidemanis, that will be added to specific worlds
20:15 OldCoder NekoGloop, yep
20:15 markveidemanis ...Completed it Twice
20:15 markveidemanis ok
20:16 us}0gb I think the rest could go either way. I'd turn off beds and maybe any mobs, but people will debate on that. Some like them, some don't.
20:16 OldCoder Yes. Hmm. Some of these probably conflict with each other.
20:16 t3o in http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Privileges / auth.txt : what kinf of hash is that, md5?
20:16 OldCoder Does anybody see any major conflicts?
20:16 t3o kinf / kind
20:16 OldCoder t3o, I think it was 64 bits
20:16 OldCoder R
20:17 us}0gb I don't know those plugins well enough to recognize any conflicts offhand.
20:17 OldCoder Ah I have forgotten sorry
20:17 OldCoder us}0gb, t y!
20:17 us}0gb OldCoder: Wait, node_ownership might conflict with protector, creating spaces no one my edit.
20:18 OldCoder Yep
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20:18 OldCoder So which should be default?
20:18 t3o OldCoder: sha1 (from source)
20:18 OldCoder Yep
20:18 t3o sha1 in base64
20:18 t3o poor docs
20:18 us}0gb I like protector better, but that's a matter of preference.
20:18 * OldCoder remembered 64
20:18 OldCoder Can adjust later
20:18 OldCoder ATM just wish few crashes
20:19 OldCoder Geez look at all the mesecons
20:19 OldCoder Wasn
20:19 OldCoder Wasn't I supposed to delete command block?
20:19 markveidemanis Anyone know where half life(1) stores configurations on windows?
20:19 OldCoder Sorry no
20:19 us}0gb Yeah ... I like that it's modularized, but the textures should be in the rest of the plugins, not having their own separate module.
20:20 OldCoder /opt/minetest047/share/minet​est/mods/gates/init.lua:252: attempt to call method 'register_on_signal_change' (a nil value)
20:21 markveidemanis old mesecons?
20:21 us}0gb Maybe that's a legacy mesecons function? If not, I don't know.
20:21 Inocudom You have such a script for Windows?
20:21 OldCoder I updated mesecons recently. I'll check gates.
20:22 OldCoder Ah
20:22 OldCoder NekoGloop, that is one of yours again! Any comment?
20:22 us}0gb Windows? Sorry, I have no idea how to compile on Windows, so I can't build a script for that.
20:22 Inocudom You are active in this community again, OldCoder.
20:22 OldCoder Inocudom, only off and on
20:22 OldCoder I must revive the worlds
20:23 OldCoder I will work on them one to three times a month
20:23 Inocudom I don't know if a script could be built for compiling on Windows.
20:23 Inocudom Has anyone seen Jeija lately? I have not.
20:24 NekoGloop OldCoder, mesecons updated
20:24 us}0gb No compilation scripts? How depressing.
20:25 OldCoder NekoGloop, should I patch gates?
20:25 NekoGloop dunno
20:25 OldCoder Well, thanks regardless
20:25 OldCoder If I drop gates, what else will break?
20:25 * OldCoder asks the world
20:27 t3o I bet there's a definition of dependencies in each mod. search the other mods for this dependency
20:27 * sfan5 's new conways game of life algorithm is 1400 microsecs faster than the simple one
20:29 t3o OldCoder: minetest$ grep -inH gates mods/*/depends.txt
20:29 sfan5 !seen Jeija
20:29 MinetestBot sfan5: jeija was last seen at 2013-10-27 06:09:07 UTC on #minetest
20:29 OldCoder t3o ty
20:29 sfan5 ^ Inocudom
20:29 t3o OldCoder: or.. I did not understand your intention :)
20:29 OldCoder t3o, Just seeing if gates can be made not to crash
20:29 OldCoder The *author* is here and does not know
20:29 t3o :)
20:30 Inocudom What did t3o do?
20:30 t3o I wonder how the example line about auth.txt in doc/mapformat.txt can be reproduced. that's never a base64 encoded sha1sum
20:30 OldCoder Which animals should be turned off?
20:30 t3o Inocudom: me? nothing
20:30 sfan5 Inocudom: I mean the message by MinetestBot
20:31 Inocudom Oh.
20:33 OldCoder Are these broken or do people use them: Concrete, Desert Uses? And whose Craft Guide is up to date?
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20:37 markveidemanis Gates?
20:37 markveidemanis The block or the nodebox>
20:37 markveidemanis I have a copy that i edited a while ago
20:37 markveidemanis there are wood and steel ones, they fill up a whole block
20:39 OldCoder markveidemanis, it is broken due to mesecons
20:39 OldCoder gates ^
20:39 OldCoder gems too
20:39 OldCoder
20:39 markveidemanis Yes, i had a version
20:39 OldCoder What animals or mobs would people disable? And Mark share any updates you have
20:40 markveidemanis sure
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20:41 OldCoder VanessaE, did you say to drop poison ivy?
20:41 markveidemanis It works for me(my version) I have also edited a lot of mods to optimize them, i will give you the modpack i wish to be added for my server
20:41 markveidemanis but gates are priority 1 :P
20:41 markveidemanis http://www.sendspace.com/file/7c4wd2
20:42 VanessaE OldCoder: only if you don't want it
20:42 us}0gb Don't drop poison_ivy. Poison_ivy is awesome.
20:42 us}0gb It's simple, sure, but it adds a lot of beauty.
20:42 OldCoder Good!
20:42 markveidemanis all my mods are : 6.54 MB (6,864,896 bytes) on disk
20:42 OldCoder markveidemanis, that is fine but I need help with just getting going again
20:42 markveidemanis 3.27 MB (3,430,317 bytes) True Size
20:43 OldCoder There is probably going to be a mess
20:43 markveidemanis It's light
20:43 OldCoder As nobody seems quite sure of what to do
20:43 OldCoder
20:43 OldCoder markveidemanis, that is fine
20:43 OldCoder Got good versions of gates gems and any other mods
20:43 markveidemanis my mods are nicely organized into folders, i suggest you do the same
20:43 OldCoder That are PORTABLE to other worlds?
20:43 OldCoder Hm?
20:43 OldCoder That is not the issue!
20:43 OldCoder The issue is that mods are out of sync
20:43 markveidemanis tweaks/inventory plus, creative
20:43 OldCoder markveidemanis, Got good versions of gates gems and any other mods
20:43 markveidemanis Oh
20:44 markveidemanis gems...
20:44 markveidemanis I will see
20:44 markveidemanis can't do that much atm because i've got this massive installer window covering up my screen
20:44 OldCoder oh well
20:45 markveidemanis Now it tells me to reboot...
20:45 markveidemanis If it dares...
20:45 markveidemanis done
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20:47 OldCoder 13:44:58: ERROR[main]: ...minetest047/share/minetest/​mods/bobblocks/blocks.lua:678: attempt to call method 'register_on_signal_on' (a nil value)
20:47 OldCoder Is there a general approach to fixing that issue?
20:47 OldCoder It affects multiple mods and I'll try to patch if somebody will offer approach
20:48 markveidemanis Could i get a zip?
20:49 markveidemanis of the mods you have
20:49 OldCoder WHen they are working yes
20:49 OldCoder Or at least sorted
20:49 OldCoder Can anybody comment on this register_on_signal_on issue? Affects multiple mods
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20:51 markveidemanis remove that and just have on_punch
20:51 OldCoder Wait
20:54 OldCoder markveidemanis, any thoughts on register_on_signal_change in gates?
20:54 markveidemanis Could you pastebin the code?
20:55 markveidemanis I will do what i can
20:55 markveidemanis http://www.sendspace.com/file/ln6fj8 My Mods
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20:55 OldCoder Hmm
20:55 OldCoder Wait this is odd
20:55 OldCoder My copy of blocks.lua has added register_on_signal_on
20:56 OldCoder It has supposedly been patched for the new API. Why is it failing? Hold on
20:56 markveidemanis i need some organisation help
20:57 markveidemanis I have Games(gmod, openarena, orbiter files, etc) In documents and Minetest, Minecraft and OSes in /Downloads
20:57 markveidemanis How should i move them?
20:57 OldCoder
20:57 OldCoder One moment
20:57 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/bobblocks.zip
20:57 OldCoder I am puzzled... the function is defined
20:57 OldCoder Reviewing your question now
20:58 OldCoder markveidemanis, can you clarify your question? I do not understand it
20:58 markveidemanis I need to organize files and folders into different directories
20:58 markveidemanis I have to organize:
20:58 markveidemanis Games, Minetest, Minecraft, Oses
20:58 markveidemanis I have Documents and Downloads
20:59 markveidemanis How can i keep downloads clear and still have it make some sense?
20:59 OldCoder Mark I am not clear
20:59 OldCoder You would create
20:59 OldCoder a different tree
20:59 OldCoder Outside of those two
20:59 OldCoder I do not understand the issue
20:59 OldCoder Something like
20:59 OldCoder /files/this
20:59 OldCoder /files/that
20:59 OldCoder ?
21:00 markveidemanis Like General/Os/Linux
21:00 markveidemanis Categories
21:01 markveidemanis testing bobblocks
21:02 john_minetest markveidemanis: I sort them by type. So I have got .exe files, .iso files and the rest (like folders)
21:03 markveidemanis This would be difficult for the games :P
21:03 markveidemanis Are games documents?
21:03 markveidemanis So Programming/Python is py?
21:04 john_minetest I think it sorts by that.
21:04 john_minetest Just press "sort by.
21:05 markveidemanis Windows...
21:06 markveidemanis Because network won't work with lubuntu, ubuntu, kubuntu or xubuntu
21:06 markveidemanis lubuntu, u* and k* dont even install
21:06 PilzAdam why does network not work?
21:07 markveidemanis xubuntu does not have drivers for TP-LINK TL-WDN3200 network usb card
21:08 markveidemanis There is a package but that crashes the whole system after a random amount of time or after opening firefox
21:08 PilzAdam that sucks, the standard installation needs network access
21:08 markveidemanis or store
21:08 markveidemanis It doesnt, i can do without but no updates either
21:10 PilzAdam have you tried this: http://skralljt.info/?p=1065 ?
21:12 OldCoder markveidemanis, look at line 678 of bobblocks/blocks.lua - is that a definition or a call?
21:12 OldCoder I thought it was a definition but it is being treated as a call to a nonexistent routine
21:13 markveidemanis Thats the bit i deleted :P
21:13 markveidemanis Have i not uploaded it?
21:14 markveidemanis delete line 673 onwards
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21:16 markveidemanis Stop Spammers has stopped 941 spammers since 2013/10/29. haha
21:16 markveidemanis Two legit ones
21:16 OldCoder markveidemanis, all of the rest of the file?
21:16 markveidemanis yep
21:16 OldCoder Thank you
21:17 OldCoder Any thoughts on gates?
21:17 OldCoder Or gems?
21:17 OldCoder gates the issue is:
21:17 OldCoder /opt/minetest047/share/minet​est/mods/gates/init.lua:252: attempt to call method 'register_on_signal_change' (a nil value)
21:18 OldCoder For gems the issue is use of axedigf which is nil value
21:21 markveidemanis do the same
21:21 markveidemanis Delete the bit which uses it
21:21 markveidemanis Unless you want mesecons to make it work, in which case i have no idea
21:30 nore OldCoder, that is with really old mesecons versions (almost a year now)
21:30 OldCoder nore thank you
21:30 OldCoder any suggestions about gates or gems?
21:30 nore the mod needs to be rewritten
21:30 nore anyway, gtg, bbl
21:30 OldCoder So, no patch for gates? markveidemanis provided one for bobblocks
21:30 OldCoder nore ty
21:31 nore I don't even know what it is
21:31 nore but I must go now
21:32 OldCoder see you!
21:32 OldCoder 14:29:39: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "unifiedbricks": LuaError: Number of registerable nodes (4096) exceeded (unifiedbricks:multicolor_light_lime)
21:32 * OldCoder sighs
21:32 OldCoder This may take a few months
21:32 OldCoder So... do I drop unifiedbricks?
21:32 OldCoder nore BTW ty means thank you; acknowledging your contribution and bidding you adieu
21:33 OldCoder anybody have thoughts on unifiedbricks?
21:34 VanessaE why drop unified bricks?
21:34 VanessaE works fine on my server
21:34 VanessaE oh that's been fixed, OldCoder
21:35 OldCoder So update unifiedbricks?
21:35 VanessaE latest git allows > 4096 nodes by default now.
21:35 VanessaE latest minetest git I mean
21:35 VanessaE but your will have to tell your users to use a git build also, there's some incompatibilities between git and 0.4.7-stable when > 4096 nodes are being used.
21:39 OldCoder git client?
21:39 OldCoder Hmm
21:39 OldCoder So old clients will crash?
21:40 OldCoder I need to rest a few minutes. Is there any way to fix unifiedbricks for old clients? May omit it just temporarily.
21:40 * OldCoder is resting
21:42 us}0gb I think stable clients fail to connect. I know my stable client refuses to connect to VanessaE's place. It doesn't crash, it just acts like it can't find the server.
21:42 VanessaE OldCoder: it in't unified bricks,
21:42 VanessaE it's the fact that you have more than 4096 nodes defined.
21:43 VanessaE unified bricks is just pushing you over that limit.
21:43 VanessaE the two solutions are to remove some mods, or update to current git
21:43 VanessaE the change in question went in just yesterday
21:44 VanessaE I favor updating to current git - 0.4.8-stable will be out soon anyway
21:46 us}0gb 32767 nodes .... I'm going to try to hit that limit. It will take a bit of time though.
21:46 VanessaE us}0gb: someone already tried that.  it took a matter of several seconds to register all the nodes, but it worked :)
21:46 VanessaE nothing special about it in fact :)
21:47 us}0gb I did use a loop to hit 4096.
21:47 VanessaE I wonder how many my game has defined, in actuality?
21:47 us}0gb I mean take a while to code 32767 legitimate nodes though. And come up with the ideas for them.
21:47 VanessaE oh yeah
21:48 VanessaE on a new map, btw, the limit can be something like 0xFFFC or something :)
21:48 VanessaE (if you adjust mapnode.h)
21:50 us}0gb Why the C, and not 0xFFFF? THere will be no unknown nodes to deal with.
21:50 us}0gb And that's not much space for unknows anyway.
21:50 us}0gb *unknowns
21:51 us}0gb Three ... Are you accounting for air, unknown, and ignore? THose are withing the limit, not without.
21:51 us}0gb *within
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21:52 us}0gb In my testing, I hit the custom node limit at 4096 nodes, only 4093 were defined by me.
21:52 VanessaE holy shit on a shingle!  7194 nodes on my survival server now!
21:52 us}0gb Nice.
21:53 VanessaE vanessa@rainbird:~$ cat .minetest/debug.txt |grep "NodeDefManager: registering content"|cut -f 2- -d " "|sort|uniq|wc
21:53 VanessaE 7194   50358  703983
21:53 us}0gb No wonder you needed the limit raised.
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21:53 OldCoder VanessaE, I am reviewing
21:54 OldCoder VanessaE, does latest git both fix this issue and support LevelDB?
21:54 VanessaE yes and yes
21:55 VanessaE us}0gb: only 1807 nodes to go.
21:55 OldCoder VanessaE, and tradeoff is that old clients will break *sigh*
21:55 OldCoder Correct?
21:55 VanessaE OldCoder: yeah, but old clients can be updated.
21:55 us}0gb Maybe I should just build off your game .... (just kidding though)
21:56 VanessaE us}0gb: if you want to, go for it! :)
21:56 us}0gb I think it would result in a better game, but would also result in me learning less.
21:56 * VanessaE pushes an update to the game to her online storage
21:56 OldCoder git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git
21:57 OldCoder VanessaE, that is current git; correct?
21:57 OldCoder With both LevelDB and the nodes change?
21:57 VanessaE OldCoder: yep
21:57 us}0gb I'll just continue defining them myself, and try to better my skills.
21:57 OldCoder Old clients may connect but also crash?
21:57 VanessaE OldCoder: old clients just can't connect.
21:57 us}0gb It also gives me a reason to make pulls to the engine.
21:57 OldCoder VanessaE, :-(
21:58 OldCoder I will need to verify that I can build Windows clients still
21:58 OldCoder I don't suppose the latest git fixes the Ambience download speed issue
22:00 OldCoder 14:57:31: ACTION[main]: MOD: mob_npc mod                version 0.0.14 loaded
22:00 OldCoder PANIC: unprotected error in call to Lua API (bad argument #3 (table expected, got nil))
22:00 OldCoder Hmm
22:00 OldCoder Mobs are part of Animals, aren't they?
22:00 OldCoder Should I disable NPC?
22:01 VanessaE no, probably not, but there is some code by kahrl that will help once it goes in
22:01 OldCoder Interesting; xmas mod has the same error
22:02 OldCoder Is there a fix today for NPC?
22:02 VanessaE probably won't be until after 0.4.8 goes out.
22:02 OldCoder If not I'll disable to proceed
22:02 VanessaE I don't know about the NPCs.  probably best to disable them
22:02 OldCoder Hmm
22:02 OldCoder cow has same error
22:02 OldCoder So git breaks animals?
22:02 VanessaE doubtful
22:02 OldCoder This is September Git
22:02 OldCoder But cow has same error
22:02 VanessaE september?  too old.
22:03 OldCoder Fine
22:03 OldCoder I wanted to test this today... so disabled unifiedbricks temporarily
22:03 VanessaE um, it's trivial to git pull and build
22:03 VanessaE :)
22:04 OldCoder VanessaE, Not the issue... I don't wish to update core until I verify I can build a Windows client. I guess I'll try that now.
22:04 VanessaE oh ok
22:04 VanessaE you can always point others to the various unofficial builds also
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22:06 Wuzzy2 What is a cobblestone generator?
22:07 VanessaE Wuzzy2: an arrangement of lava, water, and some kind of containing block such as dirt or glass that causes the water and lava to flow together and generate cobblestone.
22:07 us}0gb Highly useful things, those.
22:08 us}0gb In case you ever run out of cobble.
22:08 VanessaE gloopblocks overrides this behavior to produce basalt, pumice, or obsidian
22:08 Wuzzy2 are water or lava infinite in such a generator?
22:08 VanessaE only if the map and game have infinite liquids.
22:08 VanessaE usually yes
22:09 Wuzzy2 so it is possible to generate infinite cobblestone
22:09 us}0gb Correct.
22:09 VanessaE mmhmm
22:10 Wuzzy2 in the default mod I see the renewable flag is on for water but not for lava
22:10 Wuzzy2 So that would mean as soon as I run out of lava my generator is done
22:10 us}0gb Right ... That's a sucky alteration made recently.
22:10 Wuzzy2 and I have to find new lava
22:10 VanessaE yup.
22:11 us}0gb But that's only the source. The flowing is infinite.
22:11 PilzAdam Wuzzy2, no, since flowing lava is still infinite
22:11 Wuzzy2 aaah
22:11 Wuzzy2 this is how it works!
22:11 PilzAdam otherwise it would be infinite obsidian
22:11 Wuzzy2 okay then cobblestone is infinitely renewable :)
22:11 us}0gb Correct.
22:12 Wuzzy2 88.71.149.15 was right.
22:12 Wuzzy2 Hmmmm
22:12 Wuzzy2 when I think about it ...
22:12 us}0gb IP addresses often are right.
22:12 Wuzzy2 this sounds awesome
22:12 Wuzzy2 i mean the generator
22:12 Wuzzy2 MAYBE this deserves a wiki page
22:13 Wuzzy2 just MAYBE
22:13 Wuzzy2 I am not sure wheather to include game strategies into the wiki as well
22:13 PilzAdam or just look it up in the minecraft wiki
22:13 us}0gb s/wiki/wikipedia/
22:13 Wuzzy2 or just the bare facts
22:13 Wuzzy2 In case you didnt noticed, I am a wiki editor :P
22:13 PilzAdam Id prefere bare facts, unlike the MC wiki which has tutorials and stuff
22:13 Wuzzy2 minecraft wiki wtf
22:14 Wuzzy2 Minetest is NOT Minecraft
22:14 PilzAdam its not?!?!!
22:14 PilzAdam and I thought I was coding on MC all the time...
22:14 Wuzzy2 YA RLY!
22:14 us}0gb That explains SO much, PilzAdam.
22:15 Peacock lol
22:15 Peacock *warning* sarcasm detected
22:15 PilzAdam btw, the wiki should get a structure to serve the "multiple games" system better
22:15 us}0gb Yeah, I'm having a laughing fit on the other side of the Internet.
22:16 Wuzzy2 hmmm I have no idea how this structure should look like
22:16 Wuzzy2 atm the wiki is minetest_game centric
22:17 Wuzzy2 which is not bad because minetest_game is nowhere else documented afaik
22:17 Wuzzy2 theoretically the wiki allows entries about other mods
22:17 Wuzzy2 you just have to add the word “mods” and a bunch of slashes into the the article name
22:18 Wuzzy2 maybe the convention for other games/subgames could be like that
22:18 Wuzzy2 But it would look ugly I guess.
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22:18 Wuzzy2 games/minetest_game/Desert Sand
22:18 Wuzzy2 instead of just “Desert Sand”
22:20 us}0gb That sounds good to me.
22:20 Wuzzy2 Actually I think a lot of writing for minetest_game is boring repetivite work
22:20 Wuzzy2 crafting recipes, node properties
22:20 Wuzzy2 all that technical stuff
22:20 Wuzzy2 it could all be automated
22:20 Wuzzy2 in theory
22:20 Peacock spend more time coming up with unique recipes than writing the code around them lol
22:21 us}0gb Wuzzy2: If someone cared to automate that, it could be done from the Lua sources.
22:21 Wuzzy2 I know but so far nobody bothered to do so xD
22:22 us}0gb Today I automated the scraping of the C++ sources for the node names used by the engine. I imagine the same could be done for the Lua source, though parsing recipes would be more difficult.
22:22 us}0gb If the wiki had a Lua/Minetest environment, it would be easy.
22:23 Wuzzy2 this sounds great
22:23 us}0gb I can try to automate it through Minetest, but that would mean automating the sending of requests to the wiki.
22:24 us}0gb I don't know the wiki's setup, or how to automate such requests.
22:25 us}0gb Also there's the wiki's parsing format. I imagine it doesn't use XHTML.
22:25 Wuzzy2 maybe it would be easier to drop the data into an offline data format.
22:26 us}0gb I can drop it as offline data in XHTML format for sure.
22:26 Wuzzy2 this is a very good start =)
22:27 OldCoder VanessaE, anybody; is there a link that will help to set up a current buildbot framework?
22:27 OldCoder I will merge with my own tweaks
22:27 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Upcq8gfYZU
22:28 us}0gb Hmm. I think this could be very worth my time, too. I plan to make a huge game and documenting it. If I could automate the process for minetest_game, that automation would apply to my project as well.
22:28 VanessaE I use my own scripts for building minetest, but only for linux.
22:29 john_minetest btw, how can I get RBA's shaders working?
22:29 john_minetest I downloaded the RBA compile from sfan but there weren't any shaders.
22:29 VanessaE john_minetest: dunno, they're broken for me.
22:30 Wuzzy2 us}0gb, what features exactly do you want to cover?
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22:32 sfan5 good night everyone
22:32 us}0gb Wuzzy2: Every feature that is not stupid or related to entities (as entities are buggy at the moment).
22:32 us}0gb Good night, sfan5.
22:33 Wuzzy2 Are you telling me that Minetest has stupid features? :O
22:33 Wuzzy2 xD
22:33 us}0gb Wuzzy2: The main purpose of my game is to provide me with a way to learn the API better.
22:33 us}0gb Wuzzy2: Yes, some of the features are very stupid.
22:34 Wuzzy2 Which ones are you talking about?
22:35 us}0gb I can't think of any in the API offhand, though I think I saw some. Minetest itself has some though, such as the camera jerk when taking damage in lava.
22:36 us}0gb And the feature that loads all player files in RAM, even when none of those players are logged in.
22:37 Wuzzy2 Ouch.
22:38 us}0gb Yeah. I think it's a Windows compatibility fix too, from what I can tell.
22:38 us}0gb s/fix/workaround/
22:39 us}0gb But it caries it's hackiness over to the other system's builds as well.
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22:47 us}0gb Assuming I use a plugin called "mapgen" to add the mapgen nodes, would it be cleaner to define a node as (for example) mapgen_apple, or define it as mapgen:apple and alias mapgen_apple to it?
22:58 harrison what has huge shoes and lives in a test tube?
23:00 us}0gb I have no idea, harrison.
23:11 ShadowNinja us}0gb: I don't think the registration functions accept nodenames withoua a colon.
23:11 ShadowNinja without*
23:12 us}0gb ShadowNinja: I'd prefix them with a colon to bypass the enforcer.
23:13 us}0gb That method is used for registering "air" and such.
23:17 ShadowNinja mapgen:node sounds like the better way.
23:18 us}0gb Okay, I'll do that then. Thanks for the advice!
23:21 OldCoder ShadowNinja, VanessaE others... I built a Win32 MT client from latest git. As that worked I will now update servers to latest git and continue with mods.
23:22 VanessaE excellent
23:23 us}0gb Nice.
23:23 OldCoder This is likely to take the rest of the year. But we will see. I want Mauvebic to help me get his world to run again. And VanessaE I'd love to see what you have been up to.
23:23 VanessaE naw, you'll have it done sooner than that.
23:23 OldCoder I can't work every day on it... Maybe every other weekend at this point
23:24 OldCoder But we will see
23:25 OldCoder Sokomine, If you see this later, I am proceeding. Remember that you promised to try to make a ZIP of something for me.
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23:52 PilzAdam wow, pilztest has over 100 commits now
23:54 * sdzen blows on kazoo and plays applause track for PilzAdam
23:54 harrison bozo the clone
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