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| 00:12 |
dafull97 |
hey guys |
| 00:12 |
us{0gb |
Hello! |
| 00:13 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 00:14 |
Nocte |
Have you guys been scared lately btw? :| |
| 00:14 |
VanessaE |
nope. |
| 00:15 |
jojoa1997 |
kinda |
| 00:15 |
jojoa1997 |
scared i destroyed my computer |
| 00:15 |
Nocte |
Maybe I just have some elements of paranoia caused by Creepypasta. Hahaha. |
| 00:15 |
us{0gb |
I have been scared, but for the state of the world, not myself. |
| 00:15 |
jojoa1997 |
hi us{0gb / i cant make up my choice about what my name will be |
| 00:16 |
us{0gb |
I have made up my mind. I have six registered names and I use them all. |
| 00:16 |
jojoa1997 |
how do i add the channel user list to the side in xchat on ubuntu 13.10 |
| 00:17 |
dafull97 |
us{0gb, i got banned on here for no reason? |
| 00:17 |
us{0gb |
Sometimes it hides. Click and drag the user list from the right. |
| 00:18 |
us{0gb |
Banned where, and are you asking? |
| 00:18 |
* jojoa1997 |
BABY YOUR BACK!!! :-D |
| 00:19 |
us{0gb |
I lost my user list at one point too. It was very frustrating. |
| 00:19 |
dafull97 |
on IRC, #minetest |
| 00:19 |
dafull97 |
and i am wondering why? |
| 00:19 |
us{0gb |
Who banned you? |
| 00:19 |
us{0gb |
You're not banned now. |
| 00:20 |
Nocte |
Ugh.. |
| 00:20 |
Nocte |
Its funny how being scared I chose Kansas as the band to calm me down. It's working. haha. |
| 00:20 |
us{0gb |
Hmm? |
| 00:20 |
us{0gb |
I don't know that band. |
| 00:21 |
* us{0gb |
thought Kansas was a state |
| 00:21 |
Nocte |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X_2IdybTV0 |
| 00:21 |
us{0gb |
There's no place like home, here in Kansas. |
| 00:21 |
Nocte |
Yeah, there's also a band named 'Boston' so whatever. haha. |
| 00:22 |
dafull97 |
idk who banned me i went to get on and said i was banend |
| 00:23 |
Exio4 |
us{0gb: nice! fsf/member? :P |
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| 00:23 |
us{0gb |
That's Kansas? I had no idea. I know that song from Supernatural, a show I used to watch. |
| 00:23 |
us{0gb |
Exio4, thanks! |
| 00:25 |
dafull97 |
idk who banned me i went to get on and said i was bannnd |
| 00:25 |
Nocte |
Yeah. |
| 00:25 |
Nocte |
That's Kansas. |
| 00:25 |
dafull97 |
us{0gb |
| 00:26 |
dafull97 |
^ |
| 00:26 |
us{0gb |
Hmm. Hopefully it was a mistake, and it got fixed. |
| 00:26 |
Nocte |
You can listen on Grooveshark: Listen the album 'Power' from Kansas, quite cool also now listening to their 'Monolith' album. |
| 00:26 |
Nocte |
So far they are quite good. |
| 00:27 |
Nocte |
us{0gb, they are not done yet with the show Supernatural. Two more seasons to go! Trollface.JPG. |
| 00:27 |
dafull97 |
i hope, but i have been banned for a while |
| 00:27 |
dafull97 |
:/ |
| 00:27 |
us{0gb |
I don't have time for television anymore though. |
| 00:28 |
Evergreen |
I don't even have cable |
| 00:28 |
Nocte |
Ah. |
| 00:28 |
Evergreen |
I have a television, just no cable service |
| 00:30 |
Nocte |
I have a Full HDTV that I could watch stuff on if I wanted. I only watch stuff through DVDs and play games on that. Hehe. |
| 00:31 |
us{0gb |
Oh, that reminds me. I need to find out if DVD playing software is legal in my jurisdiction. Does anyone here know how I would find that out? |
| 00:31 |
Nocte |
Jurisdiction? What do you mean? |
| 00:31 |
us{0gb |
I'm told it's illegal in some places. |
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| 00:32 |
Nocte |
Oh also: You can watch DVDs through your PC. ;) |
| 00:32 |
Nocte |
So that would make PCs illegal if that was true. |
| 00:32 |
us{0gb |
You can watch them on your computer IF you have the software, which may or may not be legal here. |
| 00:32 |
Exio4 |
Nocte: you can use the internet for buying drugs, does it make the internet ilegal? |
| 00:33 |
Nocte |
No. |
| 00:33 |
Nocte |
us{0gb, better google your place and the question "Is X illegal in Y"? |
| 00:33 |
us{0gb |
It's a matter of free software that decrypts the DVDs to play them. Some places disallow the exposed source code for that, so any free software that can do that is illegal in these places. |
| 00:34 |
us{0gb |
Non-free systems don't have that legal hurdle. |
| 00:34 |
Nocte |
Oh, I see. |
| 00:38 |
us{0gb |
"Unlike DeCSS, libdvdcss has never been legally challenged." ... interesting ... |
| 00:38 |
us{0gb |
So I guess this one is legal everywhere, at least for the time being. |
| 00:40 |
Nocte |
Hmm... You can also watch DVDs using PS3/Xbox360... :| |
| 00:41 |
us{0gb |
I don't have those devices. All I have is a simple laptop. |
| 00:42 |
Nocte |
I think a laptop usually comes with DVD playing software or something like Windows Media Player (Can also play DVDs.) |
| 00:43 |
us{0gb |
Windows Media Player only comes on Windows. |
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| 00:44 |
Nocte |
(Or something like.) |
| 00:44 |
Nocte |
Basically: Multi media player. |
| 00:45 |
us{0gb |
I was told that there was a good movie in the $5 USD bins at Wal*Mart, but have you ever seen those things? THere's no way you can find what you want, they just throw all the DVDs in a large bin. |
| 00:46 |
us{0gb |
I have a media player, but DRM stops it from running DVDs without the decoding library of questionable legality. |
| 00:47 |
Nocte |
Ah. |
| 00:47 |
Nocte |
That sucks a lot then. |
| 00:47 |
Nocte |
Yeah, good movies in that kind of place for $5? Nope. ;) |
| 00:47 |
us{0gb |
It looks like this library is legal everywhere though, it just isn't installed by default just in case. |
| 00:48 |
us{0gb |
I'm told it's a good movie and that it's in there. |
| 00:48 |
Nocte |
Unless its old movie. |
| 00:48 |
Nocte |
It's* |
| 00:48 |
Nocte |
An* |
| 00:48 |
* Nocte |
hates this month for typos. |
| 00:48 |
us{0gb |
It might be old, I don't follow movie trends. |
| 00:49 |
us{0gb |
If you mention a famous actor, chances are, I won't know who he/she even is. |
| 00:49 |
Nocte |
Neither do I. If I find some movie to be interesting, I might watch it. |
| 00:49 |
Nocte |
Actually, Kubrick's The Shining was 5€ from where we got it. |
| 00:49 |
us{0gb |
A coworker thought I'd like this one. I've never heard of it. |
| 00:50 |
Nocte |
Yeah, I don't almost ever remember the actor's names. |
| 00:51 |
Nocte |
Let alone character names unless they are very important. |
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| 01:01 |
stormchaser3000 |
hi |
| 01:01 |
us{0gb |
Hello! |
| 01:01 |
Menche |
hello |
| 01:02 |
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| 01:02 |
stormchaser3000 |
well i found out how to compile minetest on windows lol |
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| 01:03 |
us{0gb |
Okay, cool. Making your own builds now then? |
| 01:04 |
stormchaser3000 |
no |
| 01:04 |
NekoGloop |
"PilzAdam doesn't like opinions" Well I knew this |
| 01:04 |
stormchaser3000 |
i don't know how to add fetures |
| 01:04 |
Menche |
heh, that's still up |
| 01:10 |
Nocte |
Hmm.. |
| 01:10 |
Evergreen |
IT came because sfan5 changed the topic title to "Xfce is way better than unity" or something like that |
| 01:10 |
* Nocte |
needs to find horror movies like The Shining that he should watch... |
| 01:11 |
Evergreen |
Then Pilzadam told him to take it down |
| 01:11 |
* Nocte |
just does not want to hear movies based on the same writer's stories. :P |
| 01:11 |
Menche |
but Xfce is better than unity |
| 01:12 |
us{0gb |
Xfce is pretty cool, and most things are better than Unity. |
| 01:12 |
stormchaser3000 |
including irrlicht lol |
| 01:12 |
stormchaser3000 |
and c++ |
| 01:13 |
stormchaser3000 |
and dblender |
| 01:13 |
Menche |
...those are both entirely different categories |
| 01:13 |
stormchaser3000 |
i know |
| 01:13 |
Menche |
unity is desktop environment, irrlicht is a graphics engine, and c++ is a language |
| 01:13 |
stormchaser3000 |
blender* |
| 01:15 |
Nocte |
You are not missing a lot if you are not capable of using Unity. Haha. |
| 01:15 |
Exio4 |
us{0gb: if you can find something that is worse than unity.. |
| 01:15 |
Nocte |
Just some 3D games on the browser. |
| 01:15 |
us{0gb |
Exio4, Windows. |
| 01:16 |
Nocte |
Using Linux is so Hipster... |
| 01:16 |
Nocte |
:p |
| 01:16 |
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| 01:17 |
Exio4 |
we're talking about different unity(s) Nocte |
| 01:17 |
Peacock |
unity sucks |
| 01:17 |
* Peacock |
gallops awat |
| 01:17 |
Exio4 |
calinou 2.0 |
| 01:17 |
* Peacock |
gallops *away |
| 01:18 |
Menche |
but the unity game engine is some proprietary non-cross-platform thing right? |
| 01:18 |
Nocte |
Still... :p |
| 01:18 |
Menche |
that's bad too |
| 01:18 |
Peacock |
Oh, that unity :P |
| 01:18 |
Exio4 |
both unity(s) suck |
| 01:18 |
Yepoleb |
both unitys suck |
| 01:18 |
Menche |
*unities |
| 01:18 |
* Exio4 |
slaps Yepoleb |
| 01:18 |
Exio4 |
unities doesn't sound that cute |
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| 01:19 |
Yepoleb |
Exio4, why D:? |
| 01:19 |
Exio4 |
why not! |
| 01:19 |
Peacock |
unity is the name of gay club around here :P |
| 01:19 |
Peacock |
*of a |
| 01:19 |
Nocte |
No wonder it does not work right. /joke. |
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| 01:19 |
Peacock |
no wonder users feel like theyve been fucked, amirite :P |
| 01:19 |
Nocte |
Honestly Unity is like, laggy. |
| 01:20 |
Nocte |
Yeah. |
| 01:20 |
Exio4 |
what unity |
| 01:20 |
Nocte |
From behind no less. |
| 01:21 |
Peacock |
well, at the point where you're being fucked by software, the vector doesn't matter that much :P |
| 01:21 |
jojoa1997|PC |
how do i make jojoa1997 logout |
| 01:21 |
Peacock |
<voyager EMH> Multi-Vector assault mode!</EMH> |
| 01:21 |
Nocte |
Somebody has to kick that. |
| 01:21 |
Yepoleb |
unity is better than internet explorer |
| 01:21 |
Menche |
/msg NickServ ghost username |
| 01:21 |
Nocte |
;) |
| 01:21 |
us{0gb |
Yepoleb, you have a point. |
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| 01:22 |
Nocte |
Everything is better than Internet Explorer. |
| 01:22 |
jojoa1997 |
nope |
| 01:22 |
Nocte |
Not a big achievement. |
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| 01:22 |
jojoa1997 |
have you tried google chrome |
| 01:22 |
Yepoleb |
but it doesn't support that much viruses |
| 01:22 |
Nocte |
Well... Yeah.. |
| 01:22 |
Peacock |
i need a browser that supports all viruses |
| 01:23 |
jojoa1997 |
how do i download luajit and leveldb. online isnt helping only confusing me |
| 01:23 |
* us{0gb |
giggles at "virus support" |
| 01:23 |
Nocte |
Also another thing we should compare that's easy to beat, modern rock bands: You can easily be better than Nickleback.... |
| 01:23 |
Peacock |
for which platform? |
| 01:23 |
* jojoa1997 |
giggles too |
| 01:23 |
Menche |
internet explorer is needed for windows update |
| 01:23 |
Yepoleb |
viruses should be open source and cross platform |
| 01:23 |
Nocte |
Yepoleb. |
| 01:23 |
Nocte |
Hah. |
| 01:23 |
Nocte |
Somebody said Mac does not have viruses? |
| 01:23 |
jojoa1997 |
oh i can give you a virus that could probably destroy your chrome |
| 01:23 |
Peacock |
open source viruses "help us fuck everyone" :P |
| 01:24 |
us{0gb |
I don't know on Luajit. Try "sudo apt-get install leveldb-dev". |
| 01:24 |
Nocte |
Nobody has bothered to code any, their life is already horrible because of that. |
| 01:24 |
Menche |
search for it on packages.ubuntu.com |
| 01:24 |
Peacock |
for linux is libluajit and libluajit-dev i think, there might be some numbers involved depending on the distro |
| 01:24 |
* jojoa1997 |
laughs at sudo |
| 01:24 |
Menche |
well, or software center or whatever |
| 01:24 |
* jojoa1997 |
uses sudo -s |
| 01:24 |
Menche |
or aptitude search |
| 01:25 |
Peacock |
in soviet russia, sudo -s uses you |
| 01:25 |
* Nocte |
codes viruses for Linux that automatically send me a list of porn sites that others have visited. |
| 01:25 |
* Nocte |
jokes. |
| 01:25 |
Yepoleb |
wouldn't it be great to install viruses using apt-get? |
| 01:25 |
us{0gb |
What is -s? |
| 01:25 |
Peacock |
nocte you might not have the bandwidth |
| 01:25 |
jojoa1997 |
sudo -s |
| 01:25 |
jojoa1997 |
what is your password |
| 01:25 |
jojoa1997 |
mine is |
| 01:25 |
jojoa1997 |
~~~~~~ |
| 01:25 |
Nocte |
Lol, you need bandwidth for that? |
| 01:26 |
jojoa1997 |
root name:~# |
| 01:26 |
Nocte |
My password: This is a lie!!! |
| 01:26 |
Yepoleb |
Nocte: you're ddosing yourself |
| 01:26 |
us{0gb |
My password is encrypted. |
| 01:26 |
Menche |
could just use "su" to become root |
| 01:26 |
Peacock |
my password: obammasucksdeadmanballs |
| 01:26 |
Menche |
that way |
| 01:26 |
Nocte |
Ddosing? |
| 01:26 |
* us{0gb |
prefers not being root |
| 01:27 |
Nocte |
You mean like, shutting down servers or something? |
| 01:27 |
* jojoa1997 |
prefers not to type sudo everytime |
| 01:27 |
Yepoleb |
no, you would get too many porn links |
| 01:27 |
Peacock |
you have to suck pretty hard to suck a dead mans' balls :P though thats not really my password |
| 01:28 |
Nocte |
Peacock, it's not that impressive of a feat. |
| 01:28 |
Nocte |
Crazy Roman emperors... |
| 01:28 |
Peacock |
ive never tried, to be honest :P |
| 01:28 |
Nocte |
Modern-ish dictators etc. |
| 01:28 |
Yepoleb |
root should be removed from linux |
| 01:28 |
Peacock |
mordernish dictatos... mussolini, hitler, stalin, ? |
| 01:28 |
Nocte |
Yup. |
| 01:28 |
Yepoleb |
it's the only user which can damage the system |
| 01:28 |
Peacock |
*dictators |
| 01:29 |
Nocte |
Dicktators* rather. ;) |
| 01:29 |
jojoa1997 |
so anyone know the lua-jit command |
| 01:29 |
jojoa1997 |
apt-get one |
| 01:29 |
diemartin |
just use Puppy Linux: then everyone is root! |
| 01:29 |
Peacock |
heil Shitler |
| 01:29 |
Menche |
aptitude search luajit |
| 01:29 |
us{0gb |
You need root to do system maintenance though. |
| 01:29 |
Menche |
learn to search packages yourself :P |
| 01:29 |
diemartin |
AIYF? |
| 01:29 |
Yepoleb |
no root --> system is undestroyable |
| 01:29 |
Peacock |
:P |
| 01:29 |
jojoa1997 |
well seeing as i was introduced to packages today |
| 01:30 |
Peacock |
what dist jojoa? |
| 01:30 |
jojoa1997 |
ubuntu 13.10 |
| 01:30 |
* Menche |
boots a live usb on Yepoleb's computer and formats his drive w/o root |
| 01:30 |
us{0gb |
No root means the system is not configurable. |
| 01:30 |
Nocte |
Oh man.. |
| 01:30 |
Nocte |
I found a way to scare people badly! |
| 01:30 |
Menche |
you can do anything if you have physical access |
| 01:30 |
Nocte |
Better than the maze games. |
| 01:30 |
us{0gb |
SHow them Windows 8.1? |
| 01:30 |
Yepoleb |
Menche: do you have an uefi live usb? |
| 01:31 |
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| 01:31 |
Peacock |
sudo apt-get install luajit libluajit-5.1-2 libluajit-5.1-common libluajit-5.1-dev |
| 01:31 |
Nocte |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ena1W_g3TG8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUtMVHI3AJD4Qk4hcbZnI9ZQ <- |
| 01:31 |
Nocte |
This creepypasta. |
| 01:31 |
davexunit |
hello all. I'm looking for a document that describes all of Lua API functions. |
| 01:31 |
diemartin |
Peacock: O_o |
| 01:31 |
Peacock |
and then sudo rm -rf / should do the trick |
| 01:31 |
diemartin |
better do install luajit* :P |
| 01:31 |
diemartin |
that works too |
| 01:32 |
Yepoleb |
davexunit: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/ |
| 01:32 |
Nocte |
Hah, showing WIndows 8.1? Nope, I know: Show them how iTunes restricts the download of your owned MP3 files. |
| 01:32 |
Menche |
davexunit, the minetest lua API? there is a file called "lua_api.txt" in most distributions of minetest |
| 01:32 |
davexunit |
Menche: thank you. |
| 01:32 |
Peacock |
well on #!, luajit doesn't install the dev package, and you need that to compile minetest |
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| 01:32 |
davexunit |
I was wondering if any of the developers would be receptive to a Guile API. |
| 01:32 |
Menche |
doc/lua_api in most run-in-place packages |
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| 01:32 |
davexunit |
Guile is a Scheme implementation with the honor of being the official extension language of the GNU project. |
| 01:32 |
cy1 |
Anyone know a good long term timer in minetest? |
| 01:32 |
Menche |
that another language? probably not. there was discussion of a javascript api that was pretty much nixed. |
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| 01:33 |
cy1 |
item decay maybe... |
| 01:33 |
Peacock |
javascript api? you mean lamer lol |
| 01:33 |
diemartin |
cy1: depends |
| 01:33 |
Exio4 |
davexunit: functional api"? |
| 01:33 |
cy1 |
diemartin: I'm trying to make an auto-furnace... |
| 01:33 |
Peacock |
someone mentionned a scripting language faster than lua, gscript or some shit lol |
| 01:33 |
diemartin |
cy1: nodetimers then |
| 01:33 |
davexunit |
Exio4: well once all of the basic functions are wrapped, you can write mods in a functional style, sure. |
| 01:34 |
Peacock |
auto-furnace - burns/cooks itself :P |
| 01:34 |
Menche |
would be interesting, but i doubt it will happen. |
| 01:34 |
cy1 |
diemartin: no I mean, a chest that empties into a pneumatic tube that goes to a furnace. |
| 01:34 |
Peacock |
why not play creative at that point? lol you've pretty much automated everything |
| 01:34 |
Menche |
someone on my old server made what he called a quad-smelter |
| 01:34 |
Exio4 |
yeah, but functional api? i wonder how awesome that would be |
| 01:35 |
cy1 |
What I have has the tube double back to the chest, so if the furnace is full it won't pop the item out. But I'd rather stop trying to push the item every time once it's failed. |
| 01:35 |
Menche |
takes stuff from a chest and balanced it across 4 furnaces |
| 01:35 |
jojoa1997 |
gtg cya |
| 01:35 |
cy1 |
Peacock: Machine simulation! |
| 01:35 |
us{0gb |
THere's a #!/bin/bash on freenode! Awesome! |
| 01:35 |
davexunit |
I am familiar with Guile and libguile, and I would be willing to at least do some research about how much work it would take to do. |
| 01:35 |
diemartin |
cy1: so you mean something like sand tubes? |
| 01:35 |
* diemartin |
is confused |
| 01:35 |
davexunit |
but if the developers have no interest then there is likely no point. |
| 01:35 |
Peacock |
indeed, resistance is futile |
| 01:35 |
Menche |
ask about that on #minetest-dev |
| 01:36 |
Menche |
where the "core devs" hang out |
| 01:36 |
davexunit |
oh okay. thanks. |
| 01:36 |
cy1 |
diemartin: No just normal tubes. Doubling back with normal tubes stops a failed injection from popping out. |
| 01:36 |
Peacock |
menche when the channel is actually active :P |
| 01:36 |
Menche |
-dev isn't? |
| 01:36 |
Yepoleb |
davexunit: why don't you just use lua? |
| 01:36 |
Exio4 |
davexunit: the main problem would be the 'support' for different apis, you would need to update all of them if you want to add a feature and so |
| 01:37 |
Menche |
thought -mods was the dead one |
| 01:37 |
Peacock |
though it's been more active lately, at least :-) |
| 01:37 |
Exio4 |
Yepoleb: because scheme is awesome? |
| 01:37 |
Peacock |
-mods is pointless, people ask their code questions here |
| 01:37 |
diemartin |
lel scheme |
| 01:37 |
Nocte |
Oh man... Coding talk makes my head hurt more than Math talk. :( |
| 01:37 |
davexunit |
Exio4: this is true, but guile's vm is capable of supporting many languages :) |
| 01:38 |
Yepoleb |
Exio4: why is it better than lua? |
| 01:39 |
Menche |
it's a functional language? |
| 01:39 |
Peacock |
if you're gonna support different APIs, the obvious choices are c++ and lua :P |
| 01:39 |
Exio4 |
Yepoleb: it isn't better, but awesome! |
| 01:40 |
kaeza |
GNU ;_; |
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| 01:40 |
Menche |
so it's an interpreter for scheme which is a dialect of lisp |
| 01:40 |
Exio4 |
so what kaeza? you can't say scheme is awesome-ish! |
| 01:41 |
davexunit |
http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ |
| 01:41 |
Peacock |
in any case, the lua api has plenty of shit to keep devs busy :P |
| 01:41 |
davexunit |
Menche: scheme is not necessarily functional, it's multi-paradigm. but it lends itself to functional programming very nicely. |
| 01:41 |
kaeza |
Exio4, I'd prefer python |
| 01:42 |
Yepoleb |
imo it doesn't matter a lot which api language you use |
| 01:42 |
Peacock |
ugh python lol |
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| 01:42 |
Peacock |
would be fine if there was one version of python, but the current situation is a PITA |
| 01:42 |
davexunit |
python doesn't lend itself well to being embedded into an application. |
| 01:42 |
diemartin |
or BASIC |
| 01:42 |
diemartin |
:D |
| 01:42 |
Exio4 |
lisp-like syntax |
| 01:43 |
Exio4 |
something i love |
| 01:43 |
Yepoleb |
or java |
| 01:43 |
cy1 |
Scheme/LISP seems like such a great idea until you try it... |
| 01:43 |
Menche |
you don't mention java on this channel |
| 01:43 |
davexunit |
cy1: and then you realize how awesome it is! |
| 01:43 |
cy1 |
And then you discover some subtleties that make the language family entirely unmanageable. |
| 01:43 |
Yepoleb |
java java java |
| 01:43 |
Yepoleb |
... sucks |
| 01:43 |
diemartin |
Exio4: languages which use more parentheses than other symbols are gay |
| 01:43 |
Exio4 |
Yepoleb: ha! |
| 01:44 |
cy1 |
You wake up years later in a gutter having wasted your life trying to get scheme working for the last 3 years. |
| 01:44 |
davexunit |
Guile is used in several GNU projects already as the extension language. |
| 01:44 |
diemartin |
I read it on the internet |
| 01:44 |
diemartin |
so it must be true |
| 01:44 |
davexunit |
sounds like you were doing it wrong, cy1 |
| 01:44 |
Yepoleb |
diemartin: i totally agree |
| 01:44 |
Nocte |
Guys, do you have anything 'go to' scare to make other people scared? :p |
| 01:44 |
Exio4 |
http://nationalreport.net/nasa-miscalculates-asteroid-path-japanese-scientists-predict-earth-impact/ |
| 01:44 |
Exio4 |
this must be true too |
| 01:44 |
Nocte |
On the internet that is. |
| 01:44 |
Menche |
davexunit and diemartin's usernames are the same length, both begin with 'd', and are given the same color by my irc client :/ |
| 01:45 |
cy1 |
davexunit: The syntax is too flexible I think. It becomes difficult to tell exactly what your program is doing. |
| 01:45 |
Exio4 |
same with http://nationalreport.net/california-mandate-homosexual-studies-grades-k-6/ |
| 01:45 |
davexunit |
I would disagree. |
| 01:45 |
kaeza |
Menche, yes, he sucks |
| 01:45 |
davexunit |
s-expressions are very readable once you get used to them. |
| 01:45 |
diemartin |
kaeza: no u |
| 01:45 |
davexunit |
anyhow, I didn't come here to start a language war. |
| 01:45 |
Exio4 |
it was me |
| 01:46 |
Menche |
let's just stop arguing about readability and rewrite minetest in Perl |
| 01:46 |
Exio4 |
because i'm a lisp-syntax lover :P |
| 01:46 |
Exio4 |
lol Menche |
| 01:46 |
kaeza |
._. |
| 01:46 |
Menche |
construder (another voxel game) is writtern in Perl |
| 01:46 |
cy1 |
davexunit: Oh they're readable, but determining what they mean is a complex process. |
| 01:46 |
cy1 |
*can be |
| 01:46 |
Yepoleb |
Menche: no, rewrite minetest in visual basic! |
| 01:46 |
Nocte |
lisp, example? |
| 01:46 |
Nocte |
Yepoleb: Are you a sadist? |
| 01:47 |
cy1 |
davexunit: Most of my Scheme experience has been with Racket, so that may play a part... |
| 01:47 |
Menche |
anything higher level than assembly is bloated! |
| 01:47 |
diemartin |
and include a built in form editor :---) |
| 01:47 |
Yepoleb |
Nocte: you don't like vb? |
| 01:47 |
davexunit |
Racket is cool, though I personally just use Guile. |
| 01:47 |
* Exio4 |
rewrites Menche in MIPS assembler |
| 01:47 |
Nocte |
It's just crazy to think that somebody could code an actual game with that thing. |
| 01:47 |
davexunit |
Emacs + paredit + Geiser = a wonderful development environment |
| 01:47 |
Exio4 |
yeah, i've played with racket mostly |
| 01:48 |
Nocte |
That wasn't side scroller or something. |
| 01:48 |
davexunit |
if I could plug a sideproject of mine quickly: I am working on a 2d game development framework for Guile: https://github.com/davexunit/guile-2d |
| 01:49 |
Yepoleb |
would it be possible to write minetest in c# and .net? |
| 01:49 |
cy1 |
davexunit: The documentation for Racket is written in javascript :/ |
| 01:49 |
cy1 |
It's just full of problems. |
| 01:49 |
cy1 |
Yepoleb: NO YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH |
| 01:50 |
Nocte |
Would it be possible to code Minetest for Dos? |
| 01:50 |
Yepoleb |
would it be possible for minetest to support the windows bsod api? |
| 01:51 |
davexunit |
cy1: oh boo |
| 01:51 |
Nocte |
What are the most hated coding languages out there? |
| 01:52 |
davexunit |
later everyone. |
| 01:52 |
Yepoleb |
would it be possible to rewrite minetest in java, so you could use minecraft mods? |
| 01:52 |
* Nocte |
slaps Yepoleb |
| 01:52 |
Exio4 |
davexunit: later, man! |
| 01:52 |
cy1 |
davexunit: Installing Racket takes 2 hours on a good machine. I just can't deal w/ that. Planet is full of dependency hell too. |
| 01:52 |
* Nocte |
hides. |
| 01:52 |
Exio4 |
cy1: what? |
| 01:52 |
Exio4 |
installing it? you mean compiling? |
| 01:52 |
davexunit |
Yepoleb: minecraft has no official API. it would be very difficult to make them work in minetest, even if it was rewritten in java. |
| 01:53 |
kaeza |
Yepoleb, I have a 100% exact emulation of IE as a MT mod, is this enough? |
| 01:53 |
davexunit |
anyway, later. |
| 01:53 |
cy1 |
Exio4: No, installing it... but yes, it waits until the installation process before compiling all the scheme code. |
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| 01:53 |
Nocte |
kaeza, you mean Internet Explorer inside Minetest? |
| 01:53 |
Yepoleb |
kaeza: omg, cool |
| 01:53 |
kaeza |
Nocte, yes http://pastebin.com/0AxTtzuj |
| 01:54 |
Yepoleb |
does it support downloading of other browsers? |
| 01:54 |
Exio4 |
lol |
| 01:54 |
Nocte |
Haha Yepoleb. |
| 01:54 |
Nocte |
Better question: Does it support of viewing porn sites? /Joke. |
| 01:54 |
Yepoleb |
i mean downloading of browsers, not other browsers |
| 01:54 |
Exio4 |
who would even try to load porn in IE? |
| 01:55 |
cy1 |
I think the Racket compilation takes so long because it has to generate the gigantic monolithic javascript documentation file every time it installs a package. It's one of the few programs that actually made my computers overheat. |
| 01:55 |
Nocte |
support*.. It was the most obvious bad joke I could come up with. |
| 01:55 |
Yepoleb |
as we all know, ie is not a browser |
| 01:55 |
Exio4 |
what pc? |
| 01:56 |
kaeza |
Yepoleb, seriously though, see my Wiki mod; I even implemented a mailing list in it :) |
| 01:56 |
Yepoleb |
kaeza: i'm fascinated by your ie mod |
| 01:56 |
kaeza |
https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-wiki |
| 01:57 |
Nocte |
kaeza, show some proof that it works. ;) |
| 01:57 |
Menche |
"blarghargh" <- most descriptive commit msg ever |
| 01:58 |
kaeza |
:D |
| 01:58 |
Yepoleb |
kaeza: where is the function to crash the os? |
| 01:59 |
Yepoleb |
seems like it's missing a very important feature |
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| 02:00 |
Peacock |
yay, stuck the leftover ducky in the sunday gravy (spaghetti sauce) :P |
| 02:00 |
Peacock |
though in two hours ittl' be monday gravy :S |
| 02:01 |
Peacock |
erm, tuesday lol |
| 02:02 |
Nocte |
It's funny how people are so scared of Slender Man. |
| 02:02 |
Peacock |
actually, it's 2/3 monday gravy, 1/3 tuesday gravy :S |
| 02:02 |
Nocte |
When there's lot more worse Creepypastas to be scared of. |
| 02:02 |
kaeza |
Nocte, GO TO SLEEP |
| 02:02 |
cy1 |
I'm not cursed you are....... |
| 02:03 |
* Peacock |
presses Nocte's standby button |
| 02:03 |
Nocte |
NO! |
| 02:03 |
Nocte |
Don't tell me to go to sleep! |
| 02:03 |
* Menche |
sends SIGTERM to Nocte |
| 02:03 |
Nocte |
You could be Creepypasta guy in disguise! |
| 02:03 |
* Nocte |
prepares his Demon banishing stuff ready. >:[ |
| 02:04 |
* Exio4 |
sends SIGKILL to Nocte |
| 02:04 |
Nocte |
(Mainly the Bible and some salt. ;) ) |
| 02:04 |
* Nocte |
jokes. |
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| 02:04 |
Peacock |
worse than creepy pasta guy, you could be Jason Russell |
| 02:05 |
Nocte |
Jasonwho? |
| 02:05 |
kaeza |
._. |
| 02:05 |
Peacock |
the guy who wacked off publicly in LA |
| 02:05 |
kaeza |
too young? |
| 02:06 |
Peacock |
did kony 2012 |
| 02:06 |
Peacock |
*LA = california lol |
| 02:06 |
Peacock |
same thing |
| 02:06 |
Peacock |
http://www.thearcadecreative.com/gotime/images/wordpress/uploads/2012/03/jason-russell-video.jpg |
| 02:07 |
Nocte |
Lol... |
| 02:07 |
Peacock |
ive often had that dream, but rarely has it happened in real life lol |
| 02:08 |
NekoGloop |
his name is jeff the killer. |
| 02:09 |
Nocte |
Seriously, what's wrong with these types of people? Why can't they behave like normal human beings. :| |
| 02:09 |
Peacock |
they're liberals :P |
| 02:09 |
Nocte |
Must be some mental illness. /joke. |
| 02:10 |
Nocte |
Oh right, guessed that. |
| 02:10 |
Peacock |
the sanest people i know are centrists :P |
| 02:10 |
Peacock |
everyone else has a yearly pass to LaLa-land :P |
| 02:10 |
Nocte |
Yeah.. :| |
| 02:11 |
Nocte |
I would make a joke about Democracy working in China but hey... I might get attacked. ;) |
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| 02:12 |
Peacock |
in china, you can vote for the communist party, or the communist party :P neither of which, is actually communist :P |
| 02:13 |
Peacock |
its more like state captialism tbh |
| 02:13 |
Nocte |
Capitalism*? |
| 02:14 |
Peacock |
pretty much |
| 02:14 |
Exio4 |
socialismo de mercado |
| 02:14 |
Peacock |
all these red squiggly lines keep appearing under my words, but i dont know what they mean :/ |
| 02:14 |
Nocte |
Haha. |
| 02:14 |
Nocte |
They are not correct! |
| 02:15 |
kaeza |
spellchecker |
| 02:15 |
Exio4 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist-oriented_market_economy |
| 02:15 |
Peacock |
im actually being facetious :P |
| 02:15 |
Nocte |
Yeah... |
| 02:15 |
Nocte |
And I was being joking so... :| |
| 02:15 |
Exio4 |
err |
| 02:15 |
Exio4 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy |
| 02:16 |
Exio4 |
wrong bookmark |
| 02:16 |
kaeza |
who neds spelcheker anywy? |
| 02:16 |
Peacock |
social democracy and social credit seem reasonable |
| 02:16 |
Peacock |
spellchecker can suck it |
| 02:16 |
Peacock |
clippy too |
| 02:16 |
kaeza |
LOL |
| 02:17 |
Peacock |
actually, clippy should watch out, alot of metal is being jacked around here and smelted for their value as scrap metal lol |
| 02:17 |
Nocte |
I seriously would want some kind of work but my body can't take too much physical stress. :( |
| 02:17 |
Nocte |
Job* |
| 02:18 |
Peacock |
physical stress? i did 16-18 hour shifts no problem, the body can take alot, just dont do it all year round lol |
| 02:19 |
Nocte |
My body is a little bit weaker than standard. |
| 02:19 |
Peacock |
i think repetition and boredom kill people alot faster than long shifts tbh |
| 02:19 |
diemartin |
Exio4: http://xkcd.com/214/ |
| 02:19 |
Nocte |
For example: I can't walk for too long. |
| 02:19 |
Peacock |
i can walk for hours |
| 02:19 |
Peacock |
this one time, i left the bar downtown at 2am, and got home by 7 lol |
| 02:20 |
Nocte |
Getting exhausted from running even small times... |
| 02:20 |
Nocte |
Etc. |
| 02:20 |
Exio4 |
diemartin: old news :P |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
had to cross a bridge and the shoreline, but no biggie lol |
| 02:20 |
Nocte |
You are lucky. |
| 02:20 |
cy1 |
Peacock: You are assuming everyone is a herculean god like yourself. Wise to perhaps consider differently. |
| 02:20 |
Exio4 |
it happens to me everything |
| 02:20 |
Nocte |
You don't have half the problems I do. ;) |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
running is more exhaustive :P |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
walking you can pace yourself |
| 02:21 |
Peacock |
and if you're drunk as a skunk, you won't feel the first 3 hours of the walk anyhow |
| 02:21 |
Nocte |
And I need to consume shit ton of water in order to do physical stuff that requires endurance. :( |
| 02:21 |
stormchaser3000 |
me to |
| 02:21 |
Exio4 |
if i wasn't a lazy bastard ... :P |
| 02:21 |
Peacock |
well... water.. in Montreal there were vending machines every two corners |
| 02:21 |
diemartin |
^ |
| 02:21 |
Nocte |
I had to basically bring water bottles to the Physical Education classes... |
| 02:22 |
Peacock |
i hated gyms lol reaked of sweat |
| 02:22 |
stormchaser3000 |
i shoul do that i failed phy ed |
| 02:22 |
Peacock |
id rather walk around at night, i dont sleep anyhow |
| 02:22 |
Nocte |
Also: We have free water. >:D |
| 02:22 |
Exio4 |
to what did you do "^" diemartin |
| 02:22 |
Nocte |
That you can drink. :D |
| 02:22 |
Exio4 |
Nocte: water is never free |
| 02:22 |
diemartin |
22:21 < Exio4> if i wasn't a lazy bastard ... :P |
| 02:22 |
Exio4 |
someone pays for it |
| 02:22 |
Nocte |
Expect for the small cost but yeah. |
| 02:23 |
Exio4 |
it is underpriced :( |
| 02:23 |
Nocte |
Still, you can drink from the tap basically.. |
| 02:23 |
Nocte |
Or whatever its called again. |
| 02:23 |
cy1 |
As if there were any jobs that weren't boring and repetitious |
| 02:23 |
Peacock |
well where im from, you can drink from a fountain in any park, id cross a few on my walks |
| 02:23 |
Peacock |
(drinking fountains, not deco) |
| 02:24 |
diemartin |
yea, pr0n stars get tired of tepetitive jobs |
| 02:24 |
diemartin |
-t+r |
| 02:24 |
Nocte |
diemartin. Haha. |
| 02:24 |
Peacock |
exio is a pornstar? |
| 02:24 |
Peacock |
is he in those Latin Heat videos? :P |
| 02:24 |
stormchaser3000 |
"[21:23] <Peacock> (drinking fountains, not deco)" lol good |
| 02:24 |
* Nocte |
slaps Peacock. "Hahaha." |
| 02:25 |
Peacock |
i wouldn't drink out of a deco fountain :P people take that for urinals :P |
| 02:25 |
stormchaser3000 |
ew |
| 02:25 |
Exio4 |
yeah Peacock, i'm one of those, why do you think i'm a lazy bastard, because i can! obviously! |
| 02:26 |
stormchaser3000 |
and no more talk about porn |
| 02:26 |
Nocte |
Haha, I was about to make a joke: *pisses in the fountain* "You still want to say that?" *trollface.jpg* |
| 02:26 |
Peacock |
because you got bitches all day long? :P |
| 02:26 |
* Nocte |
can come up with the most bad and immature jokes ever. |
| 02:26 |
Nocte |
Just ask me to do one. |
| 02:27 |
* Peacock |
can come up with the most offensive jokes ever :P |
| 02:27 |
Nocte |
Those are included. |
| 02:28 |
Peacock |
for instance, the other night, i dreamt i was walking through a mall in my underwear, the suddenly these street gangs showed - immediately i knew i was dreaming, because they were all white |
| 02:28 |
Nocte |
Lol. |
| 02:28 |
Peacock |
*then, showed up |
| 02:28 |
Nocte |
If you say that to Liberal, they shout: "RACIST!" |
| 02:28 |
Nocte |
;) |
| 02:29 |
Peacock |
liberals will shout racist no matter what :P |
| 02:29 |
Nocte |
Or bigot, take your pick. |
| 02:29 |
Peacock |
as much as i can't stand rightwing nutjobs, i hate liberals just as much lol |
| 02:29 |
Peacock |
i just tend to vote against the sitting government, so they dont get too comfortable |
| 02:31 |
Peacock |
corruption comes in all stripes and colours lol |
| 02:31 |
Nocte |
I probably have more right leaning views I guess. :| |
| 02:32 |
Nocte |
I don't really like people banning guns.. Oh right, a guy breaks into my house holding a knife! What am I going to do? :| |
| 02:32 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 02:32 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 02:32 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 02:32 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
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| 02:32 |
Exio4 |
you take your ak47 and well |
| 02:32 |
Nocte |
Pistol for me. |
| 02:33 |
stormchaser3000 |
ok i thought 4 was not considered flood |
| 02:33 |
Exio4 |
i want an ak47 :( |
| 02:33 |
Nocte |
Pistol is better, more accurate. :p |
| 02:33 |
stormchaser3000 |
pistol is not that acuret use a sniper |
| 02:33 |
Nocte |
Well, yeah. |
| 02:33 |
Nocte |
But for household defense, I would pick a pistol. |
| 02:34 |
Menche |
governor just vetoed a couple terrible gun control laws here in CA |
| 02:34 |
stormchaser3000 |
i would pick the poliece |
| 02:34 |
Nocte |
But as it is: I'm against violence in any form other than actual self defense. |
| 02:34 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol me |
| 02:34 |
stormchaser3000 |
to |
| 02:34 |
Nocte |
(This is, in reality that is.) |
| 02:35 |
Nocte |
Police... Came in 30 minutes late. |
| 02:35 |
stormchaser3000 |
ok menche i am going on menche.us |
| 02:35 |
Exio4 |
Nocte: 30 minutes late? |
| 02:35 |
Nocte |
You're stabbed, bleeding on the floor and stuff taken. |
| 02:35 |
Nocte |
General joke. ;) |
| 02:35 |
Exio4 |
i'd say a bit more |
| 02:35 |
Exio4 |
maybe 45-60 minutes |
| 02:35 |
Nocte |
Hehe. |
| 02:36 |
Nocte |
Menche, really? They did that? |
| 02:36 |
Peacock |
dude, someone breaks into my house, i dont need a gun, i got plenty of shit to club them to death with lol |
| 02:36 |
Menche |
Brown vetoed a few really restrictive gun laws, yeah |
| 02:36 |
Menche |
i was surprised, he's usually not the brightest bulb. |
| 02:36 |
Nocte |
I would go for the kitchen knife and throw it at them. I'm very good at throwing shit. |
| 02:37 |
* Exio4 |
throws Nocte away |
| 02:37 |
Nocte |
My only way to fight: Throwing! |
| 02:37 |
Exio4 |
anyway, with a kitchen knife you don't do much |
| 02:37 |
Nocte |
What the hell am I? A Hobbit? |
| 02:37 |
Yepoleb |
Anyone want to help me with my visual basic minetest rewrite? |
| 02:37 |
Peacock |
last time, i went for the pipe wrench |
| 02:37 |
Exio4 |
i'll help you |
| 02:38 |
* Nocte |
sends people from a close enough asylum to take in Yepoleb. |
| 02:38 |
Peacock |
which board is that? mr peacock, in the library, with the pipewrench? |
| 02:38 |
Peacock |
*board game |
| 02:38 |
Nocte |
Just hope its not the Arkham Asylum (Lovecraft, not Batman.) |
| 02:38 |
Exio4 |
anyway |
| 02:38 |
Exio4 |
night |
| 02:38 |
* Peacock |
tucks in exio |
| 02:38 |
Yepoleb |
do you need wine for vb on linux? |
| 02:38 |
Yepoleb |
night exio |
| 02:39 |
Peacock |
i need two bottles of wine for VB yeah |
| 02:39 |
Exio4 |
lol. |
| 02:40 |
kaeza |
Yepoleb, AFAIK, there is a free, native alternative to VB for Linux |
| 02:41 |
* kaeza |
suggests using Gtk+ anyway |
| 02:41 |
Nocte |
Exio4, is there some common household item for throwing at opponents? |
| 02:41 |
Yepoleb |
oh, mono supports vb.net |
| 02:41 |
* Peacock |
suggest finding a transient, skinning him/her, and making a bodysuit |
| 02:42 |
Nocte |
That will kill with a clean hit. :P |
| 02:43 |
* Nocte |
of course jokes. |
| 02:43 |
kaeza |
a crowbar |
| 02:43 |
kaeza |
Gordon Freeman Style |
| 02:43 |
Nocte |
throwing weapon. |
| 02:43 |
NekoGloop |
VB? |
| 02:43 |
Nocte |
Peacock, any other crazy news btw? |
| 02:43 |
Nocte |
NekoGloop: Visual Basic. |
| 02:43 |
kaeza |
who says you can't throw a crowbar? |
| 02:43 |
NekoGloop |
oh |
| 02:44 |
Nocte |
Too heavy. |
| 02:44 |
Nocte |
@Kaeza |
| 02:44 |
NekoGloop |
people thow bowling balls |
| 02:44 |
NekoGloop |
throw |
| 02:44 |
Peacock |
i got plenty of crazy :p |
| 02:44 |
* kaeza |
thinks NekoGloop prefers GML |
| 02:44 |
NekoGloop |
mhm |
| 02:44 |
Peacock |
remember, my father used to think he was a mexican woman, so crazy must run in the family :P |
| 02:45 |
Nocte |
Lol. |
| 02:45 |
Yepoleb |
what's the worst microsoft "programming" language? |
| 02:45 |
kaeza |
batch |
| 02:45 |
Peacock |
visualbasic? |
| 02:45 |
Nocte |
C something? |
| 02:46 |
Peacock |
c# aint bad actually :P |
| 02:46 |
Peacock |
blockscape is in c# and i can't fault it compared to minetest |
| 02:46 |
Peacock |
c# = pronounced C Sharp |
| 02:47 |
Nocte |
What other Cs were there? |
| 02:47 |
Peacock |
well there was there was A and B programming languages probably |
| 02:47 |
Peacock |
i cant wait for D though, so i can say "give her the D" :P |
| 02:47 |
Yepoleb |
kaeza: batch is not language |
| 02:47 |
Menche |
there is a D language |
| 02:48 |
Peacock |
oh yeah? |
| 02:48 |
kaeza |
yep |
| 02:48 |
Peacock |
fuck my wiki skills are lacking lol |
| 02:48 |
Nocte |
When will they get to 'Z'? |
| 02:48 |
kaeza |
when 0.4.8 comes out, prolly |
| 02:48 |
Yepoleb |
it only supports launching the bluescreen |
| 02:48 |
Nocte |
Also, I had a nice discussion with my dad about Virtual Reality stuff for some reason I can't remember. |
| 02:49 |
Yepoleb |
so i would call it a tool |
| 02:49 |
Peacock |
last articles i read: Anatoliy Golitsyn, James Jesus Angleton and Yuri Nosenko lol |
| 02:50 |
Nocte |
Basically, it seems like that's where we are heading with the current tech. Body controls the characters in the video game and you can 'feel' the damage you get in the Virtual Reality game. |
| 02:50 |
Peacock |
current computer games sucks, and its only gonna get worse :P |
| 02:50 |
Peacock |
gameplay hasn't changed since the 90s |
| 02:50 |
Nocte |
Imagine Virtual Reality MMOFPS RPG. Haha. |
| 02:51 |
kaeza |
meh |
| 02:51 |
Peacock |
you might be able to control the player with body movements, but thats about it |
| 02:51 |
Nocte |
You would need some bit advanced tech. |
| 02:51 |
kaeza |
VR pr0n games would be cool tho' |
| 02:51 |
Peacock |
DLC's and pay-as-you-go is pretty much ruining it |
| 02:52 |
Peacock |
VR pron = holodeck pron :P that's coming for sure |
| 02:52 |
Nocte |
Like some advanced controller rumble thing... |
| 02:52 |
Peacock |
but it's not gaming, it's just getting off |
| 02:52 |
Yepoleb |
java. |
| 02:52 |
Nocte |
So is your penis hard in reality too and...? |
| 02:52 |
* Nocte |
jokes. |
| 02:52 |
Peacock |
even in star trek, all the "heros" on the holodeck got to bed someone lol |
| 02:52 |
Yepoleb |
do i get banned now? |
| 02:53 |
Peacock |
java = cant get a hardon because i dont i have the right version of JVM :P |
| 02:53 |
Nocte |
Anyways, it could be used to actually train soldiers. |
| 02:53 |
kaeza |
Yepoleb, no, saying Java three times invokes PilzAdam ;-) |
| 02:53 |
Nocte |
In very realistic FPS. |
| 02:53 |
Peacock |
soldiers? have you not heard of autonomous robots? :P |
| 02:53 |
Yepoleb |
java java java |
| 02:53 |
Nocte |
But still. |
| 02:54 |
Peacock |
it only invokes PA during daytime german time :P |
| 02:54 |
Peacock |
if its 23 hours EST, it must be middle of the night there |
| 02:54 |
Nocte |
And currently it's 5:54 in Finland. |
| 02:54 |
Nocte |
Minus one hour I think. |
| 02:54 |
Yepoleb |
i live in the same timezone |
| 02:54 |
Peacock |
depends on ESt and which country still uses it |
| 02:54 |
kaeza |
00:54 UYT |
| 02:55 |
Nocte |
Was German +1? |
| 02:55 |
Nocte |
Germany* |
| 02:55 |
Peacock |
not sure about DST there |
| 02:55 |
Yepoleb |
it's 4:55 PAT |
| 02:56 |
Nocte |
Hmm... |
| 02:56 |
Nocte |
Also: What is with the Dutch in EU servers? |
| 02:56 |
Peacock |
dutch? |
| 02:56 |
Nocte |
There's always tons of them. Haha. |
| 02:56 |
Nocte |
And always talking in their language. |
| 02:56 |
Peacock |
i wouldnt complain lol |
| 02:57 |
Peacock |
whats weird is we get few canadians or australians on MT |
| 02:57 |
kaeza |
looks like Europe has the most player base |
| 02:57 |
Peacock |
i can name 2-3 canadians off the top of my head, and im one of them lol |
| 02:57 |
stormchaser3000 |
ok if you all want to talk to menche and me download minetest-classic (darkrose) and go to menche port 30000 |
| 02:57 |
Nocte |
I mean, like.. |
| 02:57 |
Nocte |
In generally MMO games. |
| 02:57 |
stormchaser3000 |
menche.us* |
| 02:58 |
Nocte |
If they are popular-ish that is. |
| 03:01 |
Yepoleb |
have you seen a pony mod? |
| 03:01 |
Peacock |
very gay, tape miss Brahms! |
| 03:02 |
* Nocte |
wants to hear what other crazy stuff America has done this week. |
| 03:03 |
Peacock |
well Canada's been talking about EU free trade lol |
| 03:03 |
Nocte |
Is this late April's fools? |
| 03:03 |
Peacock |
which will, in all likelihood, kill our local dairy industry and empower the separatist movement in Quebec |
| 03:05 |
Peacock |
tbh, id rather support the separatists than the federalists at this point lol |
| 03:05 |
Nocte |
Why? |
| 03:05 |
Nocte |
Which is more sane? |
| 03:06 |
Peacock |
well.. |
| 03:06 |
Peacock |
the anglo saxons control 4/5's of the country |
| 03:07 |
Peacock |
we got our corner of North America, and wish to run things our way ( in french north america) |
| 03:07 |
Peacock |
its not so much a question of sanity as it is of cultural differences |
| 03:07 |
Nocte |
Didn't Canada at one point do something like "We got to sell games in French" in one place or am I remembering wrong? Ah, I see. |
| 03:08 |
Peacock |
tbh i think the anglo saxons are fascist, and we (Quebec) would be better off without them :P |
| 03:08 |
Peacock |
*fascists |
| 03:09 |
Peacock |
like northern Ireland and Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, they keep threatening to leave, but they never do, to the despair of everyone lol |
| 03:09 |
Nocte |
At least you are not having a Jew problem like America has. /joke. |
| 03:10 |
Peacock |
meh, whether or not you're allied to Israel, i dont see what that's got to do with CE in Canada |
| 03:11 |
Peacock |
an independ Quebec would probably still prefer Israel to any of the other arab countries lol |
| 03:11 |
Peacock |
(when comparing values) |
| 03:11 |
Nocte |
Yeah.. |
| 03:12 |
Peacock |
well shit, ask any citizen, would you rather live in Israel, or an arab country? guess what they'd say :P |
| 03:12 |
cy1 |
pth, minetest-classic. |
| 03:12 |
Nocte |
Dunno. :< |
| 03:12 |
Nocte |
:|* |
| 03:13 |
Nocte |
Depends how crazy they are. |
| 03:16 |
Peacock |
well we got plenty of crazies in this country, though at least Quebec is at least trying to pass a secularism charter |
| 03:16 |
Nocte |
Secularism charter? |
| 03:17 |
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| 03:19 |
Peacock |
secularism yeah, barring religious apparel for public sector workers |
| 03:21 |
Nocte |
That's stupid. |
| 03:21 |
Menche |
apparently you can "offend" others just by believing something |
| 03:21 |
Nocte |
Isn't that like, telling adults what they can and can't do? ;) |
| 03:21 |
Peacock |
its perfectly sane, theres a huge influx of immigrants from french arab countries, and we need to clarify the rules here and now |
| 03:22 |
Nocte |
Menche believe in Christian faith and thou shall offend the Liberals. |
| 03:22 |
VanessaE |
the problem isn't believing in something - the problem is shoving that belief in everyone's face, and a t-shirt is a good way to get such a conversation going |
| 03:22 |
Nocte |
VanessaE, so do LGBT supporters do that. |
| 03:22 |
Menche |
ick |
| 03:22 |
VanessaE |
some do. |
| 03:22 |
Peacock |
in Quebec, we believe religion is a private thing, it's something you do at home, you dont get to demand prayer rooms or cover your face for elections |
| 03:23 |
Nocte |
So there you go.. |
| 03:23 |
Nocte |
Let's ban "Political Apparel." too. |
| 03:23 |
Nocte |
Because it might offend people. |
| 03:23 |
Nocte |
Does not make any sense. |
| 03:23 |
Menche |
let's just go and ban speaking on public property. |
| 03:23 |
VanessaE |
however the difference there is that LGBT folk have rights problems (or lack of rights) to deal with. When was the last time some right-wing radical Christian group complained of the same? |
| 03:23 |
Menche |
and wearing anything besides solid colors :P |
| 03:24 |
Nocte |
VanessaE, you do notice that it's not 'rights' thing for gays to be able to get married? It's a religious thing. |
| 03:24 |
Peacock |
lol political correctness will be the end of the anglosphere |
| 03:24 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: it's a religious thing to the religious nuts, yes. |
| 03:24 |
Nocte |
I seriously do support civil unions or whatever to give the same right as Church marriage. |
| 03:24 |
VanessaE |
to everyone else, it's an "equal treatment under the law" thing. |
| 03:24 |
Nocte |
But Bible is the law of the Church.. Sorry. |
| 03:24 |
Peacock |
gays only want to be married in the eyes of the government, not the church |
| 03:25 |
Nocte |
That's like saying Satanist should be able to hold their rituals in a Church. |
| 03:25 |
Peacock |
i doubt that they give much of shit what choirboy abusing deacon thinks of gay marriage |
| 03:25 |
Nocte |
Becuase it would be discriminatory. |
| 03:25 |
Nocte |
If they were not able to. |
| 03:25 |
Menche |
the Church should *never* support LGBT marriage. with the current political climate, though, it's ineviteble that it will be allowed by earthly law, unfortunately |
| 03:25 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: LGBT folk don't give two shits about churches. they care about the law. the law says "no" in a lot of places, so the churches latch onto that and make the argument theirs instead of the State's. |
| 03:26 |
Menche |
some churches have given in already, sadly |
| 03:26 |
Peacock |
if the church is public property, hell yeah, otherwise pay taxes like any other enterprise |
| 03:26 |
VanessaE |
(beyond those who are religious, I mean) |
| 03:26 |
VanessaE |
Menche: imho no religious institution of ANY kind should be involved. |
| 03:26 |
Peacock |
all religions should be treated as businesses IMHO, their leaders live like CEO's |
| 03:27 |
Nocte |
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/i-am-still-not-getting-what-i-want-gay-couple-suing-church-for-refusing-wed <- just saying. |
| 03:27 |
VanessaE |
marriage needs to remain the exclusive purview of the State, as it always has been |
| 03:28 |
Peacock |
in matters of law, the state is supreme, not the church |
| 03:28 |
VanessaE |
when a church meddles in affairs of the State, or politics in general, they should be taxed all to hell and back. |
| 03:28 |
VanessaE |
and that applies to all religious institutions. |
| 03:28 |
Peacock |
if anything, the church has little legal power these days, and it's a good thing |
| 03:29 |
Nocte |
Why don't gays want to get married in Islam's place of worship? |
| 03:29 |
Nocte |
And only in Christian? |
| 03:29 |
VanessaE |
nocte: your knowledge of people is ...limited. |
| 03:29 |
Nocte |
Islams.. Btw, is pretty much Anti-gay. |
| 03:29 |
VanessaE |
you act as if only Christian gays exist. |
| 03:30 |
Peacock |
the church used to run health and education where i'm from in the 50's and 60's, and they also sold orphans to the medical community for experimentation, so we have little sympathy for them these days :P |
| 03:30 |
Nocte |
Still, you should act with a little bit more respect. |
| 03:30 |
Nocte |
Since I'm a Christian. |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
as I recall, there are a couple dozen religions on this planet. I'm pretty sure each one has at least some contingent of its gay population (if any) who wish to marry. |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
so? |
| 03:31 |
Peacock |
Nocte there are plenty of gay arabs, but from what they tell me, they want nothing to do with their home culture |
| 03:31 |
Nocte |
And reason being? |
| 03:31 |
VanessaE |
I don't care what your religion is, frankly. |
| 03:31 |
Nocte |
@Peacock. |
| 03:31 |
VanessaE |
I care how you treat people. |
| 03:31 |
Menche |
so, you didn't like a church from a particular denomination so you apply that to all Christians? |
| 03:31 |
Peacock |
for the same reason people form hardcore christian families want nothing to do with their own communities, it should be obvious |
| 03:31 |
Nocte |
Still, you can't force a Church to bow down to you because you disagree. |
| 03:31 |
VanessaE |
(not you specifically, of course) |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
if a church won't officiate a wedding, go to another church. what matters is what the STATE does. |
| 03:32 |
Peacock |
they want to go to city hall, not a church |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
someone suing a church over such a rejection is indeed taking things too far |
| 03:32 |
Peacock |
but church types would rather they not have that option either |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
exactly, Peacock |
| 03:32 |
Nocte |
Finally somebody agrees on that aspect. :| |
| 03:32 |
Menche |
churches shouldn't be forced to accept the sexually immoral |
| 03:33 |
kaeza |
"immoral" ? |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
the religious nuts want it stamped out of existence, even when they aren't involved. |
| 03:33 |
Nocte |
It's like going to your mommy after somebody said a bad word. |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
immoral? |
| 03:33 |
Peacock |
even the new pope says the church needs to change focus, *hint* |
| 03:33 |
kaeza |
seriously... |
| 03:33 |
Peacock |
fewer and fewer people attending church lately might have something to do with it |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
what's immoral about how a person is born? about behavior that they cannot change or avoid? |
| 03:33 |
* VanessaE |
is confused. |
| 03:34 |
Peacock |
how many straight white people are there left that dont cheat on their wives? donations must be wearing thin lol |
| 03:34 |
Menche |
it's not how they're born. it can be avoided. |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
Menche: sorry, you are dead wrong there. |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
it is, and it can't be, |
| 03:34 |
Peacock |
menche, you're a dumbass |
| 03:34 |
Menche |
so, you're saying, because someone feels like doing something, they should be able to? |
| 03:34 |
Nocte |
VanessaE, you are saying you can't avoid changing your behaviour? Hmm... |
| 03:34 |
Menche |
Peacock, how rude |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
if it doesn't hurt someone, YES. |
| 03:34 |
Peacock |
but true |
| 03:34 |
Nocte |
Or whatever. |
| 03:34 |
Menche |
just because you're tempted in a certain way doesn't mean it is correct to give in. |
| 03:34 |
Nocte |
If they can't adapt. Don't be a Christian. |
| 03:35 |
Peacock |
just because you can fuck a woman, and feel like it, should you? what if society told you it was wrong? lol |
| 03:35 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: a person can no more change an innate behavior than they can change the number of freckles on their shoulders. |
| 03:35 |
Nocte |
Even normal acts of sex is immoral btw. |
| 03:35 |
Nocte |
Unless done with the wife. |
| 03:35 |
Menche |
"innate behavior"? you either do it or you don't, lol. it's a choice. |
| 03:35 |
Menche |
Nocte, I totally agree. |
| 03:35 |
Peacock |
like fucking women lol |
| 03:35 |
VanessaE |
Menche: wrong and wrong. |
| 03:35 |
kaeza |
so... we approve of maniatic sickos but heterosexual couples, or marriage for money, or whatever, but can't approve of two people of the same sex who love each other? |
| 03:35 |
kaeza |
this is sick |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
I invite you to try stopping breathing, eathing, drinking water, using the bathroom, etc. |
| 03:36 |
Peacock |
fucking out of wedlock is bad in the eyes of the church, menche, will you wait until you're marieed? |
| 03:36 |
Nocte |
Bible states that husband should have his wife and the wife her husband. |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
lemme guess - you can't, can you? |
| 03:36 |
Menche |
wait wait wait, since when did you have to marry everyone you love? |
| 03:36 |
Menche |
you can love someone without marrying them, lol |
| 03:36 |
Nocte |
And only those two are allowed to have sex between each other. :p |
| 03:36 |
Nocte |
And not considered to be sin. |
| 03:36 |
Peacock |
so the rules are different for straight people, nice to know :P |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
fuck the bible and fuck the concept of "sin". |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
"sin" was invented by man. |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
and by bible I mean the revised-and-expanded-by-man version |
| 03:37 |
Peacock |
like i said vanessa, all abrahamic relgions are full of shit Lol :P |
| 03:38 |
VanessaE |
i.e. if it did not come directly from G*d's mouth, so to speak, then it is not an authoritative source on what He thinks is the right behavior. |
| 03:38 |
Nocte |
At least Bible says to treat each man in just and kind manner. |
| 03:38 |
Menche |
the Bible was inspired by God and is entirely infallible. |
| 03:38 |
Nocte |
Man = Both woman and man. |
| 03:38 |
Peacock |
hell even Jesus treated whores better than most cops these days, but most people still pay taxes |
| 03:39 |
VanessaE |
and last I knew there was only one work that was directly dictated and/or penned by G*d, and that's the Ten Commandments. |
| 03:39 |
VanessaE |
Menche: why, because the bible says so? circular logic. |
| 03:39 |
VanessaE |
media A says media A is infallible, therefore media A is infallible. |
| 03:39 |
Peacock |
circular logic is integral to religion :P |
| 03:39 |
kaeza |
thank god I'm atheist |
| 03:39 |
Peacock |
you could never make a proramming language out of religion, segfault every time |
| 03:39 |
Nocte |
Also: Anyone remember John 8? |
| 03:39 |
VanessaE |
thank G*d I'm Jewish. |
| 03:40 |
Peacock |
thank god im atheist lol |
| 03:40 |
kaeza |
:P |
| 03:40 |
Peacock |
i got enough of 3 governments to pay for lol |
| 03:40 |
VanessaE |
3? |
| 03:40 |
Peacock |
(city/provincial/fed) |
| 03:40 |
VanessaE |
oh right |
| 03:40 |
Nocte |
Basically, Jesus was like: "I dare you anyone who has not sinned throw this woman with the first stone." <- normal people's lnguage. Haha. |
| 03:41 |
VanessaE |
define "sin". |
| 03:41 |
VanessaE |
and don't give me the "bible" version,. give me the original unedited meaning. |
| 03:41 |
Nocte |
Peacock... Nah, the coding language wouldn't give Segfault. |
| 03:41 |
VanessaE |
you can't, because that word is used for like 5 different levels of infraction in the original Hebrew text. |
| 03:42 |
Nocte |
It would give 'Incorrect Syntax'... |
| 03:42 |
Peacock |
nocte you see how well religion is serving the middle east and africa lately :P |
| 03:42 |
Nocte |
That's Islam for ya. ;D |
| 03:42 |
Menche |
why even have religion if you don't believe in sin? |
| 03:42 |
VanessaE |
Peacock, kaeza ... should that be "thank the FSM"? ;) |
| 03:43 |
Peacock |
not just islam, a shitton of christian money is finding it's way in Africa, and that's fucking things up even further for people there |
| 03:43 |
VanessaE |
why do you need sin? |
| 03:43 |
kaeza |
FSM? |
| 03:43 |
VanessaE |
sin is a concept created by man to control other men |
| 03:43 |
Peacock |
FSM? |
| 03:43 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: Flying Spaghetti Monster |
| 03:43 |
kaeza |
ah :P |
| 03:43 |
Nocte |
VannessaE, how do we define what's wrong and right? |
| 03:43 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 03:43 |
Nocte |
And what's accepted by law? |
| 03:44 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: not by any religious text, that's for sure. |
| 03:44 |
Nocte |
Then what would be the 10 core laws you would make? |
| 03:44 |
VanessaE |
define what's wrong and right by what society, as a whole, deems wrong and right maybe? |
| 03:44 |
Menche |
ick, postmodern subjectivism |
| 03:44 |
Peacock |
ok, if christians really gave a shit about christianity, there would be no such thing as intertest, because usury is a sin |
| 03:45 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: the Ten Commandments are a good place to start, but you don't need religion to come up with those ideas. |
| 03:45 |
kaeza |
Nocte, 1: Don't try to get in other's life, 10: count in binary |
| 03:45 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: lol |
| 03:45 |
Nocte |
2 You must hate Java. |
| 03:45 |
* Nocte |
jokes. |
| 03:45 |
VanessaE |
Menche: life flows, people evolve. |
| 03:45 |
VanessaE |
and as people evolve, so must the laws that govern them |
| 03:45 |
cy1 |
Nocte: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/969071/posts |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
why do you think the bible is so full of contradictions? |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
why do you think there is a so-called "new" testament? |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
because people evolve. |
| 03:46 |
Peacock |
because it was written by different people hundreds of years after the fact and translated several times thereafer? |
| 03:46 |
Menche |
no, there's a new testament because the covanent of the old testament was fulfilled by Jesus the Christ. |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
Menche: without the religious overtones. |
| 03:46 |
Menche |
and so the new covanent was layed out in the new testament. |
| 03:47 |
Nocte |
Well... Yes. |
| 03:47 |
Nocte |
Jesus was all about teaching people new laws and rules. |
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| 03:47 |
Nocte |
And how to live. |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
the bible, any version you care to name, was written by men over the course of time, and whether inspired by G*d or not, it still shows how people changed over the years. |
| 03:47 |
Menche |
the laws of ritual purity from the old testament are no longer needed, because the old covanent has been fulfilled. |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
Jesus was about teaching a reform version of Judaism, nothing more and nothing less. |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
Menche: please. stop. |
| 03:48 |
Peacock |
it's amazing to believe so many opensource people are pro-religion lol kinda reinforces the zealotry argument :P |
| 03:48 |
Menche |
the old testament sacrifices were symbolic of Jesus' sacrifice. they are no longer needed now. |
| 03:48 |
Menche |
VanessaE, why? |
| 03:48 |
kaeza |
Peacock, it's almost the same thing |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
Menche: because you are not arguing with facts and logic and reason, you are arguing from a religious basis only. |
| 03:48 |
Nocte |
Hmm... |
| 03:48 |
Peacock |
kaeza agreee |
| 03:48 |
Peacock |
*agreee |
| 03:49 |
kaeza |
eeeee |
| 03:49 |
Nocte |
Anyone remember who was the first killer in the Bible? |
| 03:49 |
Peacock |
tabarnacle, *agree lol |
| 03:49 |
Menche |
arguing from a source of infallible truth? sounds good to me. |
| 03:49 |
Nocte |
Anyone remember what happened? |
| 03:49 |
VanessaE |
Menche: the bible is infallible, why? |
| 03:49 |
Nocte |
This should be easy to guess. |
| 03:49 |
Nocte |
Since its in media all over the place. |
| 03:49 |
Peacock |
infallible truth lol = dumbass |
| 03:49 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: G*d was afaik. |
| 03:49 |
Nocte |
Nah. |
| 03:49 |
Nocte |
After he created man and woman. |
| 03:50 |
Peacock |
infallible truth is what dumbasses uses to reassure themselves in an uncertain world |
| 03:50 |
Menche |
the first *physical* killing was by cain |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
Menche: the bible is infallible, why? |
| 03:50 |
Nocte |
There you go. :p |
| 03:50 |
Nocte |
God hates killing. |
| 03:50 |
Nocte |
And punished Cain for that. |
| 03:51 |
Nocte |
And people say "Why is there 'you shall not kill' on ten commandments." Or something like that... |
| 03:51 |
VanessaE |
yup, back then there were only a couple of rules - don't kill and don't eat from a certain tree. |
| 03:51 |
Nocte |
Which they both fucked up. |
| 03:51 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: "You shall not murder", to be exact. |
| 03:51 |
Nocte |
So, a man is not perfect. |
| 03:52 |
Nocte |
You can't find any verse that says so in Bible.. :p |
| 03:52 |
Menche |
the Word of God is living and active. I have been brought to believe it by the Holy Spirit working through the Word. |
| 03:52 |
VanessaE |
Menche: the bible is infallible, why? |
| 03:52 |
Menche |
it is the Word of God. |
| 03:52 |
VanessaE |
exactly - no one is. and any text that goes through mankind's hands/heads before being put into written form, by definition, is also imperfect. |
| 03:52 |
VanessaE |
and who says so? |
| 03:52 |
cy1 |
Nocte: actually God punished Cain for not giving him a cool sacrifice. |
| 03:52 |
Peacock |
lol meche, just because you were brought up Christian, does mean Christianity is the ultimate truth, hate to break it to you :P |
| 03:53 |
VanessaE |
Menche: who says it's the word of G*d? Where's your proof? |
| 03:53 |
Nocte |
cy1.. Haha. |
| 03:53 |
Peacock |
*doesn't |
| 03:53 |
cy1 |
"Rutabagas? What the hell am I supposed to do with these Cain?" |
| 03:53 |
VanessaE |
cy1: haha |
| 03:53 |
Nocte |
Actually, Cain was jelly of Abel because he got God's attention.. Damned attention whore. /joke. |
| 03:54 |
kaeza |
I think this pretty much sums it up: http://forlackofabettercomic.com/?id=61 |
| 03:54 |
Peacock |
in any case, this debate is beyond retarded, im going to tend to my spaghetti sauce lol |
| 03:54 |
cy1 |
All Cain ever did was write emo poetry. The angels killed Cain for him on accident |
| 03:54 |
cy1 |
*Abel |
| 03:55 |
Nocte |
Lol. |
| 03:55 |
VanessaE |
Menche: well? |
| 03:55 |
Menche |
<Menche> I have been brought to believe it by the Holy Spirit working through the Word. |
| 03:55 |
VanessaE |
Menche: who says your (or any) bible is the word of G*d? |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
horseshit. |
| 03:56 |
Menche |
and why do you spell God with an asterisk? |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
I want concrete data. |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
not feelings. |
| 03:56 |
Nocte |
There have been archeological findings. |
| 03:56 |
Nocte |
Of Biblical stuff. |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
and the asterisk is a Jewish custom (sometimes a dash, or an underscore) to prevent G*d's name from being misused or defaced. |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
Menche: who says your (or any) bible is the word of G*d? Where is the concrete evidence? |
| 03:56 |
cy1 |
Unfortunately VanessaE has a point. What you believe in really doesn't change what other people see and experience. |
| 03:57 |
Nocte |
So the Jews came up with censorship? Haha. |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: heh, no it goes a little deeper :) |
| 03:58 |
Nocte |
Did we say it does @Cy1? :p |
| 03:58 |
VanessaE |
Menche: There is no concrete evidence that any bible is the direct word of G*d. Nothing written by G*d Himself stating so, that isn't also in the bible. Therefore, no bible can be proven to be the word of G*d. |
| 03:59 |
cy1 |
Nocte: It's like someone tells you to prove that the bible is the word of God, and your answer is that you like ice cream. It's just a non sequitur to say "because this I believe" |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
Since those bibles were written down by mankind and literally VOTED ON, they can't be taken as fact. |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
(see also, The Council of Nicea) |
| 03:59 |
cy1 |
As if God actually talks in words. :p |
| 04:00 |
Nocte |
Also, it's funny how people bitch about Christians being violent people. |
| 04:00 |
cy1 |
Principia Mathematica = the closest anyone's gotten to God's word |
| 04:00 |
Nocte |
In history that is. |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: three words for you: Westboro. Baptist. Church. |
| 04:00 |
Nocte |
Ever heard of the Vikings? ;) |
| 04:00 |
Nocte |
Basically whole culture and religion about war and shit related. |
| 04:00 |
Nocte |
VanessaE, those are not really Christians. |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
cy1: interesting thought. Probably not far from the truth. |
| 04:01 |
Menche |
the Roman Catholic Church was quite violent in the Middle ages, but it is absurd to base your estimation of modern Christians on that. |
| 04:01 |
Menche |
which i have seen people do. |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
Menche: oh wait, so they're allowed to adapt and change now? |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
why isn't the rest of society allowed to grow and change then? |
| 04:01 |
Nocte |
Yeah. |
| 04:01 |
Nocte |
Middle Ages was violent times. |
| 04:01 |
Menche |
the Roman Catholic Church of that time was not governed by the Bible, but by random edicts given by the papacy. |
| 04:02 |
cy1 |
VanessaE: I'm lying of course, but metaphorically I think it's pretty close to true. |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
it still isn't, is. |
| 04:02 |
Nocte |
Lots of douches running around with weapons and killing people.. Oh wait, they didn't play violent video games did they? /joke. |
| 04:02 |
cy1 |
I just don't think what's true matters. |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
the modern church, whether catholic or christian or whatever, is governed by one entity: man. |
| 04:02 |
Nocte |
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. <- Remember this? :p |
| 04:02 |
Nocte |
Westboro condemns... So, not Christian. |
| 04:02 |
Nocte |
Haha. |
| 04:03 |
cy1 |
Menche does have a point. As far as Christians go, Catholics are the worst. :p |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
the only religious institutions that truly live by what their deities should theoretically expect are the ones with the inclusive, non-discriminatory, non-fire-and-brimstone congregations and clergy |
| 04:03 |
Menche |
any sin is forgivable, contrary to what Westboro says. |
| 04:03 |
cy1 |
You know what they call Protestants who threw away their new age ideas and went back to Catholicism? (Hint: they started BAPTIzing people again) |
| 04:04 |
Nocte |
Yeah, only if you believe in Jesu as the savior etc. |
| 04:04 |
Nocte |
@Menche. |
| 04:04 |
Menche |
yeah. |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
meh, there's no savior. there's only us and perhaps G*d. We're here to make the best of this world. |
| 04:04 |
Nocte |
Which is pretty basic stuff people miss. |
| 04:04 |
kaeza |
I'm going to hell, and will love every minute of it :) |
| 04:04 |
Nocte |
Hope you like BDSM. |
| 04:04 |
Nocte |
That's what you going to find. |
| 04:04 |
* Nocte |
jokes. |
| 04:05 |
Nocte |
Without the sex. |
| 04:05 |
kaeza |
I hope so :) |
| 04:05 |
cy1 |
I don't really care if it's just us, or some god, or Jesus H. Christ. I just want to do magic. :p |
| 04:05 |
Menche |
any sin which is recognized and repented of is completely paid for in full. |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
I don't buy into anything christian-related, and I support the LGBT community whole-heartedly. But I am most assuredly not going to hell. |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
I don't believe such a place even exists, and there's no such thing as satan. |
| 04:05 |
Nocte |
Jesus Christ of Nazareth* if you want the full name. |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: wrong. |
| 04:06 |
cy1 |
Hell isn't a place you go to. It's a place you condemn other people to when you don't like them. |
| 04:06 |
kaeza |
cy1, lol |
| 04:06 |
kaeza |
seems legit |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: the full name is Yeshuah ben Josef bat Miriam |
| 04:07 |
Nocte |
Haha. |
| 04:07 |
cy1 |
I happen to know his middle name is Horace. You didn't hear it from me though |
| 04:07 |
VanessaE |
Jesus was Jewish. Ergo, he would have used a standard such as that ^^ |
| 04:08 |
Nocte |
VanessaE, he was born as Jew. :| |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
exactly. |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
born and raised. |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
and therefore, he would have called himself by the above when a full name is warranted. |
| 04:08 |
cy1 |
One day you'll face the pearly gates and what you gon' say.... when that long haired Jewish peacenik sends your ass the other way! |
| 04:09 |
cy1 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHjsaEK4vnw |
| 04:09 |
cy1 |
<3 |
| 04:10 |
Nocte |
VanessaE, btw. |
| 04:10 |
VanessaE |
what? |
| 04:10 |
Nocte |
The LGBT already have (In America.) equal rights btw. Before somebody added new laws for them. |
| 04:10 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: no, they don't. |
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| 04:11 |
Nocte |
Hmm.. |
| 04:11 |
Nocte |
What were the ten laws again in the U.S that were higher than any other law in the country? |
| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
the bill of rights. |
| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
those ARE the highest laws of the land, and they don't stem from any religious text. |
| 04:13 |
Nocte |
Heh. |
| 04:13 |
Nocte |
Where was the law again... That said no person shall be discriminated because of their beliefs/political/whatever views? |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
first one expressly forbids our government from meddling in the affairs of the religions. |
| 04:14 |
* Nocte |
facepalms. |
| 04:14 |
Nocte |
Remembering the other laws again... Hard to not mix up. |
| 04:14 |
* VanessaE |
sighs |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
this is a country of laws, not religion, and it will stay that way. |
| 04:14 |
Nocte |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights <-... Damn it. |
| 04:15 |
Nocte |
Sorry, poor memory. |
| 04:15 |
Nocte |
Especially when tired. |
| 04:15 |
VanessaE |
oh you wanted the TERM for it |
| 04:15 |
VanessaE |
I thought you were aiming for some kind of actual stature. |
| 04:15 |
VanessaE |
statute* |
| 04:16 |
* kaeza |
hands Nocte an xterm |
| 04:16 |
Nocte |
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance. That means, both non-heterosexuals have the same rights... :| |
| 04:16 |
VanessaE |
human rights are only as good as the government allows them to be, is the problem. You have all the rights you want, but the government is free to trample on them, making them moot. |
| 04:16 |
Nocte |
And heterosexuals... |
| 04:16 |
Nocte |
Yeah. |
| 04:16 |
Nocte |
If they feel like being jerks. |
| 04:17 |
VanessaE |
and right now, government and religion are trampling on LGBT rights in a number of areas. |
| 04:17 |
Nocte |
Guess what, if a religion does not approve of a thing, say gay marriage. They are not to be forced to do such things. |
| 04:18 |
VanessaE |
who cares about religion? |
| 04:18 |
VanessaE |
the problem is the State. |
| 04:18 |
VanessaE |
i.e. the government. |
| 04:19 |
VanessaE |
gays aren't going to, in mass numbers, force unwilling churches to perform their ceremonies - they want to force, and for good reason, the GOVERNMENT to recognize such |
| 04:19 |
Nocte |
Who cares about religion? Religious people who have their freedom of speech. ;) |
| 04:19 |
VanessaE |
there are plenty of churches out there with clergy willing to perform same-sex weddings. |
| 04:19 |
VanessaE |
but until the governments wise up, the fight will continue. |
| 04:19 |
Nocte |
Also, the link I posted earlier show how far Gays can go if they don't get their way. |
| 04:19 |
VanessaE |
"who cares" == "when did I say anything" |
| 04:19 |
VanessaE |
yeah I saw that. Every group has their fringe elements. |
| 04:20 |
Nocte |
Which basically is blackmail and extortion. |
| 04:20 |
VanessaE |
name one who doesn't have people who would go to extremes to make their points. |
| 04:20 |
VanessaE |
one group* |
| 04:20 |
Nocte |
Define 'extremes'. |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
"go to extremes" is a common phrase here and means to go beyond what most would consider a normal, proper means of doing something. |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
suing a church for that sort of practice is going to extremes. |
| 04:21 |
Nocte |
You mean 'non-civil' way of doing things? |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
suing a state government, for example, is perfectly acceptable. |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
shooting someone for jaywalking is an extreme measure. writing him a ticket is not. |
| 04:22 |
Nocte |
Yup. |
| 04:22 |
Nocte |
That would be considered an overkill. But yeah. |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
exactly. |
| 04:22 |
Nocte |
I get the point. ;) |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
suing that church? overkill - just find a better church. |
| 04:23 |
VanessaE |
suing the state for violating equal protection? appropriate. |
| 04:23 |
Nocte |
Don't support your beliefs? Ignore them. Move on. :p |
| 04:23 |
VanessaE |
exactly, I agree with you on that. |
| 04:23 |
Nocte |
Basically what would be appropirate. |
| 04:23 |
Nocte |
Damn it. |
| 04:23 |
Nocte |
This month has been hell because of the typos. |
| 04:24 |
VanessaE |
but when it comes to the state, it's up to the people to decide if they are being governed in their best interests, and if they decide they are not, they have the right, as spelled out in our country's most sacred documents, to fight for change. |
| 04:25 |
Nocte |
VanessaE, is this 'homophobic' to you? I support civil unions but not gay marriages in a Church? :p |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
that's all the LGBT folk want is right, proper governance with equal rights under all conditions. the same thing any reasonable person would expect if you swapped out "LGBT" for, oh let's say, "black". |
| 04:26 |
Nocte |
Hehe. |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: it depends on why you'd support one over the other if they are supposed to theoretically be the same |
| 04:27 |
Nocte |
Since its not really fitting since Bible defines the marriage as between man and woman. :| |
| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
where does the bible define it? |
| 04:27 |
Nocte |
Or, hey: Why be married when you are going to face troubles? Stay single! |
| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
where is the word "marriage" or "wedding" used in direct context to man vs. woman? |
| 04:28 |
Nocte |
Let me search. |
| 04:28 |
Nocte |
I'll find it. |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
as I recall, the closest was the claim that man shall "cleave" to woman and vice versa. |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
and those were supposed to be punishments. |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
(adam and eve, post-eating-of-the-tree) |
| 04:29 |
Nocte |
7 Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.†2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. <- |
| 04:29 |
VanessaE |
what passage is that from? |
| 04:29 |
Nocte |
1 Corinthians 7 |
| 04:29 |
VanessaE |
corinthians. a christian book. |
| 04:29 |
VanessaE |
try going back a little more. |
| 04:30 |
Nocte |
Jesus also says something like: Didn't God creat man and woman? |
| 04:30 |
Nocte |
In the bible. |
| 04:30 |
VanessaE |
and even then, that is not a definition of marriage. It does not say in that text that only that specific arrangement is permitted. |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
beats me if Jesus said that or not. no one knows what he said since his life wasn't documented until like 60 years after he died. |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
(I forget when it was Saul came on the scene) |
| 04:32 |
Nocte |
Anywas: People say divorce isn't Christian... Hmm. |
| 04:32 |
VanessaE |
but that's not relevent |
| 04:33 |
VanessaE |
the bible never actually defines that marriage can only ever be a man-woman relationship (and indeed, most marriages back then were man-and-many-women) |
| 04:33 |
VanessaE |
so techncially, |
| 04:33 |
Nocte |
Also: You could take a lot of the stuff rom the Bible as sort of phropecy stuff if you are into conspiracy theories. Haha. |
| 04:33 |
VanessaE |
same-sex marriage was already well established in biblical times :P |
| 04:33 |
Nocte |
By the Romans. |
| 04:33 |
Nocte |
;) |
| 04:34 |
Nocte |
And the Roman emperors enjoyed a lot of same sex fun... Some were bit weird... WEIRD... |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
I'm not talking about romans. |
| 04:34 |
cy1 |
Nocte: My wife is a man, your arugument is invalid |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
I'm talking about Hebrews and other "of G*d" races. |
| 04:35 |
Nocte |
Wait, talking about races? Isn't that like, racist? /joke. |
| 04:35 |
* VanessaE |
looks at cy1 .. o.O |
| 04:35 |
cy1 |
VanessaE: I don't have a wife. I'm lying again. To prove a point. |
| 04:35 |
Nocte |
Haha, also: Remember why Sodom And Gommorah was destroyed? |
| 04:35 |
Nocte |
This is in the Old Testament. |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: the bible talks of various marriages in general terms, and most of them are man-woman-woman-woman-...-woman. E.g. polygamous. Ergo, same-sex marriage was already established. |
| 04:36 |
Nocte |
Were* |
| 04:36 |
Nocte |
The men basically slept with every person that came in there. |
| 04:36 |
VanessaE |
yeah, they were destroyed because of forced rape. |
| 04:36 |
VanessaE |
it wasn't what they did - it was why they did it and the fact that it was forced upon the visitors. |
| 04:37 |
Nocte |
Yeah. |
| 04:37 |
Nocte |
Talk about a 'warm' welcome... |
| 04:37 |
* Nocte |
will stop joking. |
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| 04:38 |
Nocte |
Also: Biblical times include Romans btw. |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
indeed, but I'm talking about early biblical, as in BCE. |
| 04:38 |
Nocte |
And the Romans were pretty much the enemy in Bible in a way. |
| 04:39 |
Nocte |
While Jesus was hanging around in there. |
| 04:39 |
VanessaE |
before the romans it was the Egyptians and whoever else was aroub |
| 04:39 |
VanessaE |
around* |
| 04:39 |
Nocte |
Yeah. |
| 04:39 |
Nocte |
Well, Egyptians were slavers and stuff. |
| 04:39 |
VanessaE |
and it was the same story then too |
| 04:40 |
VanessaE |
the romans just found different ways of expressing the same behaviors as the egyptians did |
| 04:41 |
Nocte |
Hmm... |
| 04:41 |
VanessaE |
so, you never answered my question |
| 04:41 |
Nocte |
What question? |
| 04:42 |
Nocte |
Marriage? It's defined in the book written by Christians and that's how Christians should act... :| |
| 04:42 |
VanessaE |
or rather, my request for clarification: why a civil union but not a marriage if they's supposed to be legally identical? |
| 04:43 |
VanessaE |
it was never defined in the bible, it was defined by mankind before the bible even existed. |
| 04:43 |
VanessaE |
didn't we just establish that? |
| 04:43 |
Nocte |
Since most LGBT don't really believe in the Bible. :| |
| 04:43 |
VanessaE |
(you're not the only one who has typing troubles today) |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
actually I'd have to say that's not true. |
| 04:44 |
Nocte |
Hehe.. I know a person who has typing troubles all the time. |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
statistically speaking. |
| 04:45 |
VanessaE |
so, yet again: why a civil union but not a marriage if they's supposed to be legally identical? |
| 04:45 |
Nocte |
Well, how many do believe then? :p |
| 04:46 |
Nocte |
Well, gay marriage in the church does not feel right. |
| 04:46 |
Nocte |
Plain and simple. |
| 04:46 |
VanessaE |
"does not feel right" |
| 04:46 |
VanessaE |
and there, folks, is where the argument falls apart. |
| 04:46 |
VanessaE |
I would guess no less than half of the LGBT community holds the bible sacred to some degree, probably a fair number more than that. |
| 04:47 |
VanessaE |
(I don't have numbers to back that up though) |
| 04:47 |
Nocte |
And Bible states: Each Husband should have a Wife and the other way around. |
| 04:47 |
VanessaE |
yeah and where does it say that a husband can't have a husband? and vice versa? |
| 04:48 |
Nocte |
That is where it states how it should be. |
| 04:48 |
VanessaE |
a prescription for one thing is not a proscription against it's inverse. |
| 04:49 |
Menche |
"...the men, leaving the natural use of the women, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful..." |
| 04:49 |
Nocte |
Oh also... |
| 04:49 |
VanessaE |
"what is shameful", as defined by man. of course. |
| 04:49 |
VanessaE |
and where is it written about marriage? |
| 04:49 |
Nocte |
Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. <- God wants you to have self-control. |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
bah, another satan argument. |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
satan does not exist. |
| 04:50 |
Nocte |
Really...? |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
really. |
| 04:50 |
Menche |
[citation needed] |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
you prove he does. |
| 04:51 |
VanessaE |
you made the assertion. [citation needed] |
| 04:51 |
Menche |
Nocte just mentioned a passage that says he does. |
| 04:51 |
VanessaE |
and a passage is not proof. |
| 04:51 |
VanessaE |
a passage is a passage of text. |
| 04:52 |
Menche |
a passage from Scripture is proof. |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
scripture is not proof. |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
scripture is a book. |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
a book is not proof by itself. |
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Nocte |
So neither is a scientific paper proof then. |
| 04:52 |
Nocte |
It goes both ways. |
| 04:52 |
Menche |
it is a true book, so it is proof. |
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VanessaE |
a scientific paper is proof because stuff got tested, documented, and replicated. |
| 04:53 |
VanessaE |
Menche: it is not proof, any more than Huckleberry Finn is proof of the general nature of the south. |
| 04:53 |
Nocte |
Does it mean that it works the same every time? |
| 04:53 |
Nocte |
Not its not. |
| 04:53 |
Nocte |
No it does not* Fuu.... |
| 04:54 |
Menche |
right, Huckleberry Finn is fiction... |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: in the case of a scientific result, yes. when it fails, either the theory has to be changed or the test has to be repeated. |
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VanessaE |
Menche: why? because you say so? |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
here's a hint: the bible is fiction too. |
| 04:54 |
Menche |
no. |
| 04:54 |
Nocte |
Really? |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
prove it. |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
prove it is not a work of fiction. |
| 04:54 |
Nocte |
Archeological proof that Bible's stories happened. |
| 04:54 |
Nocte |
Go look them up. |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: that's proves that some events happened. where's the "word of G*d" in there? |
| 04:55 |
kaeza |
aaaaaanyway, time for bed and this is getting boring. night all |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
I'm pretty sure Noah's Ark is up there on Mt. Ararat because of the great flood. Doesn't mean the rest of the bible is proof of anything. |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
night kaeza |
| 04:55 |
Nocte |
So you are disapproving proof? |
| 04:56 |
VanessaE |
science works by trying to disprove things by finding or showing proof that the thing in question is untrue. When that fails, those things tend to be accepted as true. |
| 04:57 |
VanessaE |
ironic I should say that |
| 04:57 |
VanessaE |
I know exactly what you're gonna say next. |
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Nocte |
What is it? Hmm.. *is acting like he's curious* |
| 04:58 |
VanessaE |
nevertheless, we're talking about the authenticity of a piece of media. |
| 04:58 |
VanessaE |
we have no evidence that G*d himself penned the words therein, nor that He told others what to say, except for the book itself. |
| 04:59 |
VanessaE |
ergo, a piece of media makes the claim that it is authoritative, and therefore it should be taken as such. |
| 04:59 |
VanessaE |
circular logic. |
| 04:59 |
* Nocte |
sighs. |
| 05:00 |
Nocte |
Seems like you are not even trying to debate or see others views. |
| 05:00 |
Nocte |
Just accusing and accusing. :| |
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VanessaE |
If I write my magnum opus and sign it as, say, Ada Lovelace, and somehow get it passed around without anyone knowing, does that make it Ada's work? |
| 05:00 |
Nocte |
Ada could be a pen name. So there you go. |
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VanessaE |
yes or no. |
| 05:01 |
VanessaE |
of course the correct answer is no. |
| 05:01 |
VanessaE |
the bible is in the same situation. It was penned by Moses (all but the last couple of paragraphs), but we only have his word to go on that what he wrote was G*d's will. |
| 05:02 |
Nocte |
He was the Prophet btw. |
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VanessaE |
therefore, we have to rely on a human mind with all its failings as proof. |
| 05:02 |
VanessaE |
he was an ordinary man and has said as much. |
| 05:03 |
VanessaE |
"Who am I that you should lay this burden on me?" or some such, at the burning bush. And he lost that status about 80 years later. |
| 05:03 |
Nocte |
Well yeah. |
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Nocte |
He doubted himself. |
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Nocte |
Like any sane man would doubt. |
| 05:03 |
VanessaE |
because he was human, nothing more. |
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VanessaE |
hell even G*d saw him as such - otherwise why order him to remove his shoes? |
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Nocte |
Hmm. |
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Nocte |
Didn't Moses also say something like: There shall be one like me... etc at some point? |
| 05:06 |
VanessaE |
I don't recall anything like that |
| 05:06 |
VanessaE |
but I could just as easily say there will be one like ME some day, and statistically there will be. |
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VanessaE |
(aside from the old adage that everyone has some kind of doppleganger) |
| 05:07 |
Nocte |
Ah never mind. :p |
| 05:08 |
cy1 |
Moses was such a Mary Sue self insert. |
| 05:08 |
Nocte |
Haha, cy1. |
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VanessaE |
heh |
| 05:09 |
Nocte |
Marty Stu* isn't it? |
| 05:09 |
Nocte |
Or whatever the male name was. |
| 05:09 |
cy1 |
w/ev |
| 05:10 |
cy1 |
It's the character where you're like "no instead of all those guys who did all those awesome things, my character did all of them at once, and always won at everything, despite his tragic backstory" |
| 05:10 |
Nocte |
Yeah, I know. |
| 05:11 |
Nocte |
God's favorite punishment? 40+ days in the desert! >:D |
| 05:11 |
* Nocte |
jokes. |
| 05:16 |
Nocte |
And also: Only proof Christians need is the Bible to make decisions for the Church... Also, don't the LGBT community just do whatever they want because 'it feels right' to them? :P |
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VanessaE |
they do what IS right. |
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us}0gb |
Who is doing what now? |
| 05:29 |
VanessaE |
nevermind, it's the same argument as before :P |
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* us}0gb |
looks up logs |
| 05:31 |
VanessaE |
also hi ;) |
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us}0gb |
Hello! |
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us}0gb |
I'm so tired, but I can't sleep ... I hope we've switched roles or something and it's not both of us now. |
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VanessaE |
nope, I'm in a "can't sleep" state of mind too |
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us}0gb |
Drats. |
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us}0gb |
I got up every hour on the hour last night, so I really could use some rest. |
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VanessaE |
won't be much longer for me though |
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us}0gb |
Okay, good. |
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VanessaE |
translation: "Vanessa, go the fuck to bed so I don't have to stay up and chat with anyone." |
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VanessaE |
;) |
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us}0gb |
That's not what I mean at all .... I meant that in an "I don't want you to suffer" kind of way .... |
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VanessaE |
I'm kidding :) |
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VanessaE |
I've got a car that needs worked on tomorrow (with a little luck) so I definitely have to get to sleep soon |
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us}0gb |
A new car, or did something happen to your old one? |
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VanessaE |
my existing one. screwed up rocker arm support bar, so it's running on 7 cyl and making a lot of racket. same problem as before, but a replacement came in the mail yesterday, so now I can fix it for good. |
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VanessaE |
landlord lent us his truck to use until the repair is complete, thankfully |
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us}0gb |
That's awfully nice of him! |
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VanessaE |
yes indeed |
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VanessaE |
I just don't cotton to the idea of pulling that valve cover off..... because it's the firewall-side of the motor |
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VanessaE |
(front wheel drive/transverse mounted engine) |
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us}0gb |
I'm not sure what that means, but I wish you luck. I don't know anything about cars. Well, very little, anyway. |
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VanessaE |
there's not much to 'em |
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VanessaE |
my skills are a little bit rusty, but I can still make repairs |
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VanessaE |
I'm more worried about having the tools to do it |
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JackGruff |
all repos already up-to-date ;_; |
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us}0gb |
Why is that bad? |
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JackGruff |
no updates |
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JackGruff |
no updates from minetest mods, to be specific |
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us}0gb |
Ah, got it. |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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sfan5 |
hi everyone |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy CAPS LOCK DAY! :-D |
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nore |
http://nore.mesecons.net/screenshot_3746078679.png |
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nore |
^ game of life in mesecons |
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nore |
sfan5, tell me what you think of that |
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sfan5 |
pretty awesome |
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nore |
each cell is 10x8x10 |
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nore |
want a screenshot of the inside? |
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nore |
sfan5: nore.mesecons.net/4cells.we |
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nore |
stack it in both directions |
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nore |
connect a 1-tick pulse generator to it |
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nore |
i.e. |
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nore |
--NOT AND - |
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nore |
| | |
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nore |
----------- input |
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nore |
and enjoy |
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thexyz |
why no you use attachments |
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nore |
I could.. |
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nore |
anyway, it's too late |
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nore |
have you seen the screenshot, btw? |
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thexyz |
what screenshot? |
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nore |
http://nore.mesecons.net/screenshot_3746078679.png that one |
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thexyz |
and what's it? |
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nore |
game of life simulation in mesecons |
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nore |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life |
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nore |
(I've built a bigger version since the screenshot) |
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thexyz |
now make prime numbers generator |
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nore |
I could... it would be big, though |
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nore |
and slow |
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thexyz |
but fun |
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nore |
I am trying to run a 13x13 configuration for now... (I don't know if it will work) |
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nore |
wow, a 14x14 grid lags *a lot* |
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nore |
some better screenshots: nore.mesecons.net/screenshot_3749724086.png |
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nore |
nore.mesecons.net/screenshot_3749749326.png |
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thexyz |
Exio4 ordered one pizza(s) yesterday |
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nore |
??? |
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nore |
why do you say that? |
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thexyz |
that's a reply to > Exio4both unity(s) suck |
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Exio4 |
hmm pizza |
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sfan5 |
nore: thanks, I'll try it |
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sfan5 |
nore: nothing happens |
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Wuzzy |
hi all |
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Wuzzy |
I try to get my head around the “drop†thing in the node definiton |
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Wuzzy |
I know you can make complex drops |
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Wuzzy |
and there is a field called “rarity†|
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Wuzzy |
The question is: What exactly does “rarity†do? |
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Wuzzy |
rarity appears in the farming mod, for example. |
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Wuzzy |
Oh, I think I know what it means. It is 1/probability, so a rarity of 1 is a probability of 1, a rarity of 2 is a probability of 1/2 etc. |
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jojoa1997 |
Hi |
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nore |
sfan5, how did you connect it? |
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nore |
you need: |
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nore |
1 - to turn on a few cells (for that, just put a switch to turn the display on, and remove it) |
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nore |
2 - to connect the 1-tick pulse generator to the clock wire |
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nore |
this wire is the topmost one |
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nore |
right below the display |
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sfan5 |
nore: oh, ok |
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nore |
does it work now? |
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NekoGloop |
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING |
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germa |
hi to all! |
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germa |
italiani? |
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germa |
bye ahah |
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ShadowNinja |
Wuzzy: rarity indicates the likelyhood or chance that that will be droped. (At least from the sound of it) |
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ShadowNinja |
Er, nevermind. |
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sfan5 |
nore: the cell just turned on |
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Wuzzy |
hi again |
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Wuzzy |
my chat program just crashed Y_Y |
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reactor |
o/ |
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Dan_D |
I have made a suffocation-related suggestion on the dev chat |
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Megaf |
is it possible to undo a rollback? |
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reactor |
Megaf: how come you need that? |
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reactor |
Haven't you been taught to think before you decide? |
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ShadowNinja |
Megaf: No, restore from a backup. |
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Megaf |
I rollbacked all actions of a player, and then I realized that he built a lot |
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reactor |
Good luck with that player. |
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ShadowNinja |
reactor: rollback_check only shows the most recent actor, which is sometimes a good plaer trying to fix things. |
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Megaf |
Im starting to dislike minetest, I can ban, but cannon unban, I can rollback, but cant undo that |
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Megaf |
so, I can not make any mistake |
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reactor |
In life, you can't, either. |
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Megaf |
I dont like that |
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ShadowNinja |
Megaf: /unban is fixed, update. |
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reactor |
That doesn't mean you don't. |
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reactor |
If you dislike MT, well... roll your own game? |
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Nocte |
Wait... No unban? o.o |
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Nocte |
Seems like a simple thing to have. |
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ShadowNinja |
Nocte: There is unban, but it was broken a while back. Megaf is running a old version with the broken /unban. |
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Nocte |
Ah. |
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reactor |
Also. |
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reactor |
How can you call yourself a UNIX user if you don't do backups regularly? |
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reactor |
s/UNIX/[OS NAME HERE]/ |
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* ShadowNinja |
has daily automatic backups with rsync on his server. |
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VanessaE |
hi all |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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Yepoleb |
hi |
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sfan5[Mac] |
hi |
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NakedFury |
hello |
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Jordach |
Exio4, You have a nearly impossible chance of a DEA raid (-110%) |
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Jordach |
hold the fuck on a second |
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Yepoleb |
hi Calinou |
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Jordach |
when did we allow attaching images to forum posts |
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Jordach |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=115144#p115144 |
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Exio4 |
You have a nearly impossible chance of a DEA raid (-46,016%) |
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Calinou |
hi :) |
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thexyz |
Jordach: never |
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Calinou |
You have a nearly impossible chance of a DEA raid (-12,491.5%) |
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thexyz |
we do have attachments though https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7486 |
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Exio4 |
Calinou: how many lawyers? |
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markveidemanis |
Hi |
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Calinou |
706 |
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Exio4 |
3250 here |
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Calinou |
hi markveidemanis :) |
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thexyz |
everyone should now totally use attachments |
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markveidemanis |
How can i make my kindle server faster? |
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markveidemanis |
Or kill android somehow... |
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markveidemanis |
Advanced task manager? |
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Calinou |
faster? |
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markveidemanis |
overclock |
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Exio4 |
overclock it |
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Calinou |
if it lags when you're connected locally to it, then the CPU is limited or you are out of RAM. |
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Calinou |
overclocking is risky, requires rooting and won't help much. |
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markveidemanis |
Oo what if i kill all this shit |
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markveidemanis |
com.amazon.device.settings |
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Exio4 |
Calinou: it helps but kills battery :P |
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markveidemanis |
256MB RAM |
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reactor |
markveidemanis: o/ |
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thexyz |
throw it out and buy a pc |
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reactor |
VanessaE: o/, I'm a bit late, though |
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reactor |
PlizAdam: how's the science? |
| 15:48 |
reactor |
markveidemanis: use hammer. |
| 15:48 |
markveidemanis |
I have a fucking pc, this is a proof of concept |
| 15:49 |
markveidemanis |
I also have a proper server |
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| 15:49 |
reactor |
This is proof of your stupidity. Who would ever host things on a bloody mobile device? |
| 15:50 |
markveidemanis |
I have 2 FUCKING 8 CORE SERVERS |
| 15:50 |
markveidemanis |
This. is. proof. |
| 15:50 |
thexyz |
WOW SO COOL |
| 15:50 |
markveidemanis |
I want a lan game to work fast |
| 15:51 |
VanessaE |
multiple cores are mostly useless to minetest right now |
| 15:51 |
VanessaE |
more than 2 anyway |
| 15:51 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, maybe 3 to speed mapgen up a bit |
| 15:52 |
markveidemanis |
I have 2 on this pc, 8 on my website server, and OC hosts a server for me with 8 |
| 15:52 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: no. mapgen multithread is buggy |
| 15:52 |
PilzAdam |
I use it all the time and havent seen anything buggy |
| 15:52 |
Exio4 |
more cores are actually useful when talking about client |
| 15:52 |
markveidemanis |
Try turning it off and telling the difference |
| 15:52 |
Calinou |
you mean, "buggy is multithread mapgen" |
| 15:52 |
Calinou |
--multithreaded IRC |
| 15:52 |
VanessaE |
according to hmmmm, multicore (and if so configured to use it) leads to cut-offs at mapblock borders |
| 15:53 |
Calinou |
cave generation issues apparently too, but I never used multicore mapgen |
| 15:54 |
Exio4 |
calinou is the guy who is always against multithreading and says shits about it but never tries it |
| 15:54 |
Exio4 |
at least try it man |
| 15:59 |
Calinou |
I'm joking, Exio4 |
| 16:02 |
markveidemanis |
5.81.157.109:30010 |
| 16:02 |
NekoGloopMkII |
yoda talks in multithreaded |
| 16:02 |
Exio4 |
lol NekoGloopMkII |
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| 16:05 |
pietrko |
Hi, is it possible to add any other force field than gravity? |
| 16:05 |
VanessaE |
such as> |
| 16:05 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 16:06 |
VanessaE |
technic has a force field generator that works something like science fiction tv shows usually use |
| 16:06 |
pietrko |
there are many kind of force fields |
| 16:06 |
pietrko |
i.e: magnetic, electrostatic etc |
| 16:07 |
VanessaE |
making such a mod may be possible, dunno |
| 16:07 |
pietrko |
for example if i want to simulate effects of wind |
| 16:07 |
pietrko |
in some closed region of space |
| 16:07 |
pietrko |
let's say: |
| 16:08 |
pietrko |
i want to create a twister in some 3meters wide tube |
| 16:08 |
pietrko |
twister/torando |
| 16:08 |
VanessaE |
this is possible if you attach a player to an entity and then move the entity around |
| 16:08 |
pietrko |
and i want to apply some force(velocity change) to each entity in the tornado effect |
| 16:09 |
VanessaE |
see for example the carts, hovercraft, cars, or boats mods |
| 16:11 |
pietrko |
hmm it could work |
| 16:13 |
pietrko |
but it is a workaround, what if i want to create a player spell which creates a stream of wind |
| 16:13 |
pietrko |
the wind pushes the entities depending on their mass/size |
| 16:14 |
VanessaE |
easily done |
| 16:14 |
Exio4 |
pietrko: not possible... |
| 16:14 |
VanessaE |
you'll have to move the entities yourself of course, but there's nothing preventing such a mod |
| 16:15 |
* Jordach |
has a digital camera |
| 16:15 |
* Jordach |
might start a rival to HDX |
| 16:16 |
VanessaE |
or you could contribute to it :P |
| 16:17 |
Jordach |
maybe i want my own flavour |
| 16:17 |
Jordach |
and .svg files arent photos |
| 16:17 |
pietrko |
in this moment only way to move entities is to set their position or velocity via: LuaEntitySAO:setvelocity( ), setpos() am i right? |
| 16:18 |
pietrko |
*at this point |
| 16:18 |
markveidemanis |
join 5.81.157.109:30010, its hosted on an android kindle, just finished tweaking it |
| 16:20 |
Jordach |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=115221#p115221 |
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| 16:25 |
Jordach |
Exio4, wat: Your mech suit keeps you safe while making deals. Sell an additional 50% of sales batches at a time |
| 16:25 |
NekoGloopMkII |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-EK-72rwOU |
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| 16:28 |
Exio4 |
Jordach: $/s? |
| 16:29 |
Jordach |
Exio4, 3 Mil./S |
| 16:29 |
Exio4 |
$27,434,712,500 per second |
| 16:29 |
Jordach |
DAYUM |
| 16:29 |
pietrko |
How to get entites basing on their location? I saw only one function for that in whole API? |
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| 16:30 |
PilzAdam |
pietrko, get_objects_inside_radius() |
| 16:30 |
pietrko |
what if i want to get entites in box? |
| 16:30 |
pietrko |
or in the other shape |
| 16:32 |
NekoGloopMkII |
fuck you |
| 16:32 |
Jordach |
!title https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/pull/4 |
| 16:32 |
MinetestBot |
Jordach: Make MinetestBot point at wiki.minetest.net and not wiki.minetest.com by Jordach · Pull Request #4 [...] |
| 16:33 |
NekoGloopMkII |
we don't add support for user suggestions |
| 16:33 |
NekoGloopMkII |
that would waste time |
| 16:33 |
NekoGloopMkII |
and users are stupid |
| 16:33 |
Jordach |
just being meticulous about MinetestBot again :P |
| 16:33 |
NekoGloopMkII |
[/minetest-dev-mode] |
| 16:34 |
* Jordach |
pokes sfan5 |
| 16:35 |
ShadowNinja |
pietrko: I saw a function that did that. It used get_objects_inside_radius with a slightly higher radius and then filtered the results to get a box. |
| 16:36 |
pietrko |
ok i see, we have a get_pos function |
| 16:37 |
Jordach |
> PilzAdam doesn't like opinions |
| 16:37 |
Jordach |
true dat. |
| 16:40 |
pietrko |
How should i prepare blend file for animated mobs? |
| 16:40 |
Jordach |
they need to be converted to .x or .b3d |
| 16:40 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: nu, eppes? something wrong with your keyboard? (-dev) |
| 16:41 |
PilzAdam |
what? |
| 16:41 |
pietrko |
what about animations, how can i access them in game |
| 16:42 |
Jordach |
you need to define animation ranges |
| 16:44 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: -dev |
| 16:45 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, I will reply when I have thought about your question/statement |
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| 16:45 |
VanessaE |
fine |
| 16:45 |
VanessaE |
seeing as how I asked it 40 mins ago, something could have been said in the meantime... |
| 16:48 |
* ShadowNinja |
also has a question that PilzAdam is waiting to think about before answering. |
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| 16:49 |
Wuzzy |
WTF? What is wrong with me? |
| 16:49 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 16:49 |
Wuzzy |
I worked again on the wiki all day :-( |
| 16:50 |
Wuzzy |
I should better stop now. |
| 16:50 |
Wuzzy |
XD |
| 16:50 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=115221#p115221 this video doesnt exist |
| 16:50 |
Jordach |
does on my end |
| 16:50 |
* ShadowNinja |
gave up on checking all of those edits a while ago... |
| 16:51 |
PilzAdam |
ShadowNinja, I have thought about your idea |
| 16:51 |
ShadowNinja |
[991 actions in the last 30 days] |
| 16:51 |
PilzAdam |
I think there should be a ban manager that is done in Lua |
| 16:51 |
PilzAdam |
the engine just calls is_banned(playername, ip) and write() |
| 16:52 |
ShadowNinja |
PilzAdam: You didn't understand the question. |
| 16:52 |
ShadowNinja |
PilzAdam: I meant a ban manager for #minetest. |
| 16:52 |
PilzAdam |
oh |
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| 16:53 |
TheLastProject |
What's wrong with /ban? |
| 16:53 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, checked with 4 proxies |
| 16:54 |
PilzAdam |
TheLastProject, there is nothing wrong with it, its just not modifieable by Lua |
| 16:54 |
ShadowNinja |
TheLastProject: It's permanent and often makes a ineffective or sweeping ban. |
| 16:54 |
PilzAdam |
ask Peacock, he made somewhat hacky mod to be able to rangeban |
| 16:54 |
ShadowNinja |
TheLastProject: Wait, IRC /ban or Minetest /ban. |
| 16:54 |
reactor |
rangeban rage! |
| 16:54 |
TheLastProject |
You were talking about #mintest, so IRC I assumed |
| 16:54 |
ShadowNinja |
kaeza's xban is the best so far. |
| 16:55 |
TheLastProject |
Also, if you call them ineffective you're doing it kinda wrong :P |
| 16:55 |
reactor |
markveidemanis: how's the server, btw? |
| 16:55 |
TheLastProject |
You ban on hostname, not nickname :P |
| 16:55 |
reactor |
handsome? |
| 16:56 |
ShadowNinja |
TheLastProject: IRC bans are nick!userhost. Some use *!uershost, some nick!*@*, some *!*@host, etc. |
| 16:56 |
TheLastProject |
*!*@host is definitely the most effective |
| 16:56 |
ShadowNinja |
TheLastProject: You will ban extire proxies like irccloud if ou do that. |
| 16:56 |
TheLastProject |
Only if you do that to such a proxy |
| 16:56 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, gimme a youtu.be link |
| 16:57 |
TheLastProject |
Could always mute everyone on the proxy for a bit until whoever is annoying gives up |
| 16:57 |
ShadowNinja |
TheLastProject: *!*@host is usually best, but *!userhost is better when a prox is involved. |
| 16:57 |
ShadowNinja |
TheLastProject: irccloud buts the uid in the ident field. |
| 16:57 |
ShadowNinja |
puts* |
| 16:58 |
TheLastProject |
I have never even heard of irccloud |
| 16:58 |
Nocte |
Hehe... "I herd you don't like griefing, so I decided to put some lava in your water!!" >:D /jokes. |
| 16:58 |
reactor |
nerd? |
| 16:58 |
reactor |
You nerd? |
| 16:58 |
TheLastProject |
But that's because I generally avoid anything which has the word "cloud" in it |
| 16:58 |
TheLastProject |
Because it generally doesn't mean any good |
| 16:58 |
reactor |
oh yeah |
| 16:59 |
reactor |
if you want to store data, buy storage |
| 16:59 |
Nocte |
'cloud sharing', anyone? |
| 16:59 |
Nocte |
I hate that's becoming a thing. |
| 16:59 |
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| 16:59 |
TheLastProject |
AKA: irccloud is a combination of bouncer and web client? |
| 16:59 |
reactor |
Fuck it. I run a FTP for that. |
| 16:59 |
TheLastProject |
Nocte: I just put stuff on my server and link people :| |
| 16:59 |
reactor |
s/a/an/ |
| 16:59 |
reactor |
An hero. |
| 17:00 |
Nocte |
I actually need some space for Xbox360. Haha. |
| 17:00 |
Nocte |
And don't want to use Cloud storage. |
| 17:00 |
ShadowNinja |
TheLastProject: Yes, webchat+bouncer. |
| 17:00 |
reactor |
eggs box |
| 17:00 |
Nocte |
In case the connection screws up. |
| 17:00 |
* TheLastProject |
shrugs |
| 17:00 |
Nocte |
And it does it often. |
| 17:00 |
TheLastProject |
Sounds dumb to use that |
| 17:00 |
reactor |
Nocte: how many eggs does that box store? |
| 17:00 |
ShadowNinja |
(+phone app and such) |
| 17:01 |
Nocte |
Dunno... |
| 17:01 |
Nocte |
Any recommended storage for Xbox360 btw? :| |
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| 17:02 |
TheLastProject |
Microsoft Cloud stuff? Does it even matter if you use their web service or your local storage if the device has backdoors that allows them to access it anyway? |
| 17:03 |
* TheLastProject |
would recommend against using an Xbox360 :P |
| 17:03 |
Nocte |
Hah. |
| 17:03 |
Nocte |
I want the stuff on a physical thing because connection may screw up... |
| 17:04 |
Nocte |
And you need internet in order to access the Cloud storage. |
| 17:04 |
TheLastProject |
Obviously |
| 17:05 |
TheLastProject |
Well, if you need local storage, either use some place on your local network (PC/NAS/Whatever that junk supports) or get an external harddrive |
| 17:05 |
TheLastProject |
Can't imagine you really having another choice |
| 17:05 |
Nocte |
Yeah, some Flash Drive is required for the storage.. |
| 17:05 |
Nocte |
Additional that is. |
| 17:07 |
Jordach |
Nocte, you have a 360 |
| 17:07 |
Jordach |
pm me that gamertag |
| 17:07 |
Jordach |
:D |
| 17:07 |
* Jordach |
happens to know PilzAdam's |
| 17:07 |
Jordach |
Nocte, a 16gb flash pen will suffice, that's what i use |
| 17:08 |
* PilzAdam |
happens to have no access to his xbox currently, so that ^ doesnt really matter |
| 17:08 |
Nocte |
No! Stalker. ;) |
| 17:08 |
* Nocte |
jokes. |
| 17:08 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, i played the BF4 beta |
| 17:08 |
Nocte |
Well, what if I want to save DLC? :p |
| 17:08 |
Jordach |
it was worth it |
| 17:09 |
Nocte |
I might get Battlefield 4 btw now that you mentioned it. |
| 17:09 |
Jordach |
Nocte, then in that case a 64gb pen drive |
| 17:09 |
PilzAdam |
Nocte, dont |
| 17:09 |
Nocte |
Why not? |
| 17:09 |
PilzAdam |
EA |
| 17:09 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, there's no online pass |
| 17:09 |
Nocte |
They removed the online pass. |
| 17:09 |
Nocte |
Damn it. |
| 17:09 |
PilzAdam |
they are still using this DLC system |
| 17:09 |
PilzAdam |
I fucking bought the game, why do I have to continue paying for it? |
| 17:10 |
Jordach |
Nocte, you can play with gold (i refresh at christmas time purely because it's cheaper then( |
| 17:10 |
Nocte |
Yeah, I know. |
| 17:10 |
Jordach |
but my next console is the PS4 |
| 17:10 |
Nocte |
And its only 5€ a month. |
| 17:10 |
PilzAdam |
also, do you know what they did with the new SimSity? |
| 17:10 |
PilzAdam |
*City |
| 17:10 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, it crashed |
| 17:10 |
Jordach |
just like GTA Online |
| 17:11 |
Nocte |
Well, other option is Call of Duty: Griefers. |
| 17:11 |
Nocte |
;) |
| 17:11 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, |
| 17:11 |
Jordach |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOgVB-uK4L8 |
| 17:11 |
PilzAdam |
its ridiciulous to not be able to play a game like Simcity offline, or not be able to save it on your computer |
| 17:12 |
Nocte |
I'm also thinking of getting PS4.. There seems to be only three 'exclusives' I would want Mirror's Edge 2, Kingdom Hearts III and the Thief thin. :P |
| 17:12 |
Nocte |
Thing* |
| 17:12 |
Jordach |
MIRRORS EDGE FTW |
| 17:12 |
Jordach |
YES |
| 17:12 |
Jordach |
YES |
| 17:13 |
Nocte |
I only wish for a good sale I could get PS4 from. :p |
| 17:13 |
Wuzzy |
Speaking of “Thiefâ€. Did you hear of The Dark Mod? :=) |
| 17:13 |
PilzAdam |
you are allowed to buy the PS4, just so you dont buy the xbox one |
| 17:13 |
Nocte |
The Dark Mod..? |
| 17:13 |
Nocte |
PilzAdam, I didn't even bother trying to be impressed by Xbox One. |
| 17:13 |
Nocte |
Hah. |
| 17:14 |
Nocte |
Brb, food. |
| 17:14 |
Wuzzy |
The Dark Mod is a fork of Doom 3 to be a clone of the Thief series game |
| 17:14 |
Wuzzy |
and its free in both senses :-) |
| 17:14 |
Wuzzy |
I played it, I liked it. :-))) |
| 17:15 |
Wuzzy |
Okay now for a MINETEST (!) question (xD): Is there a hard limit on how many nodes I can register in my mods? |
| 17:15 |
VanessaE |
nope. |
| 17:15 |
Wuzzy |
phew! |
| 17:16 |
VanessaE |
if you tweak mapnode.h, you can max out at a bit below 65K in total |
| 17:16 |
VanessaE |
by default, about 4k |
| 17:16 |
PilzAdam |
Wuzzy, that means: yes, there is |
| 17:16 |
Wuzzy |
well technically that is a hard limit ;) |
| 17:16 |
Wuzzy |
but 4k is high enough for me |
| 17:17 |
VanessaE |
I'm pretty sure he meant a per-mod liit |
| 17:17 |
VanessaE |
limit* |
| 17:17 |
Wuzzy |
no no in total |
| 17:18 |
Wuzzy |
well is there even a per-mod limit? |
| 17:18 |
PilzAdam |
no |
| 17:18 |
VanessaE |
there's no per-mod limit |
| 17:18 |
Wuzzy |
no surprise |
| 17:18 |
VanessaE |
and the total limit is whatever the devs eventually decide to make it in mapnode.h |
| 17:18 |
VanessaE |
if they ever decide. |
| 17:18 |
Wuzzy |
ok thanks |
| 17:18 |
VanessaE |
wtf are you guys waiting for? |
| 17:19 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, we wait for 0.4.8, as everyone else too :-p |
| 17:19 |
Jordach |
release 0.4.8 then you lazy bunch of clumps |
| 17:19 |
VanessaE |
um, tht's the sort of change that belongs in a point release. |
| 17:19 |
Exio4 |
that would release a bugged and shitty 0.4.8 instead of a good one |
| 17:20 |
Wuzzy |
OK now I see. The hard limit is 4096. You can’t have more than 4096 nodes. |
| 17:20 |
Exio4 |
would be releasing** |
| 17:20 |
* Jordach |
makes a malicious mod that makes 4000 nodes |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
Wuzzy: edit mapnode.h line 46 |
| 17:21 |
Nocte |
Hmm. |
| 17:21 |
Wuzzy |
I don’t have to because 4096 is absolutely enough for me. :-) |
| 17:21 |
VanessaE |
my game depends on a bit more :) |
| 17:21 |
Wuzzy |
well that would be fun idea |
| 17:21 |
VanessaE |
(probably about 5000 nodes in total) |
| 17:21 |
Wuzzy |
make a mod which makes 1000s of junk nodes |
| 17:22 |
Wuzzy |
maybe all of them are randomized |
| 17:22 |
VanessaE |
someone did that already to test |
| 17:22 |
Jordach |
Wuzzy, [18:20:41] -*- Jordach makes a malicious mod that makes 4000 nodes |
| 17:22 |
Jordach |
it's disguised :P |
| 17:22 |
Wuzzy |
and the best: SPAWN them all |
| 17:22 |
Exio4 |
that would pretty l33t |
| 17:22 |
Wuzzy |
total chaos |
| 17:22 |
Exio4 |
an ABM that replaces dirt, sand, stone and water for those blocks |
| 17:22 |
Wuzzy |
and every time you make a new world you have different nodes XD |
| 17:22 |
Jordach |
4096 nodes is the area that is 16^3 btw |
| 17:22 |
Nocte |
Too bad new next gen games will cost around 70-80€. |
| 17:23 |
Jordach |
Nocte, PS4 will be cheaper |
| 17:23 |
Nocte |
As if we weren't fucked hard enough with the current gen costs. :| |
| 17:23 |
Wuzzy |
its just a silly idea, I don’t think I will actually do it |
| 17:23 |
TheLastProject |
As long as people accept the price increase, it will keep increasing |
| 17:23 |
Nocte |
Which is new game costs 50-60€. |
| 17:23 |
Nocte |
Due to VAT and shipping costs. |
| 17:23 |
TheLastProject |
Simple economics say: If you're pissed off at the high prices, don't buy it, or you support them |
| 17:23 |
Exio4 |
people would buy games anyway |
| 17:24 |
TheLastProject |
Less buying -> Lower prices |
| 17:24 |
Nocte |
Good thing PS4 supports used games. *trollface* |
| 17:24 |
Wuzzy |
Wow, TheLastProject is an economics expert. |
| 17:24 |
Wuzzy |
xD |
| 17:25 |
TheLastProject |
I just followed economics class and am giving an overly simplified simplification |
| 17:25 |
TheLastProject |
Of course there's more to it, but that's all that applies in this context |
| 17:25 |
Exio4 |
it is more like simple logic |
| 17:25 |
TheLastProject |
That as well |
| 17:25 |
Wuzzy |
CapitalÃstomon. Gotta boycott em all! |
| 17:25 |
Exio4 |
if they can't sell something, they will need to lower the price.. |
| 17:25 |
TheLastProject |
Exactly |
| 17:25 |
Wuzzy |
(insert big trollgrin here) |
| 17:26 |
Nocte |
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMudumohKcStQsS6tg53pmt_f4UdA-DHEjvt2YJVHS8F5u87TH <-? |
| 17:26 |
Jordach |
Wuzzy, trollface |
| 17:27 |
Nocte |
Only trolls would use .JPG. |
| 17:27 |
Jordach |
nope.jpg |
| 17:27 |
Wuzzy |
hahaha I know its “trollface†|
| 17:27 |
TheLastProject |
gnupe.png |
| 17:27 |
Jordach |
fuck you smoking TheLastProject |
| 17:27 |
Jordach |
oh right, gnope.png |
| 17:28 |
Jordach |
the CC-BY version of trollface |
| 17:28 |
Nocte |
Hmm... Too bad that they are including the social media thing to PS4. |
| 17:28 |
TheLastProject |
Exactly |
| 17:28 |
Wuzzy |
CC-BY???? of trollface??? wtf |
| 17:28 |
Nocte |
It's like: "Well done, you gained a level: Would you like to share this with your followers?" |
| 17:28 |
Nocte |
Most likely that is. |
| 17:29 |
Wuzzy |
obviously the one who used the license was trolling the internetz |
| 17:29 |
TheLastProject |
Oh god that stupid nonsense |
| 17:29 |
TheLastProject |
Achievements started the stupidity |
| 17:29 |
TheLastProject |
"Start the game - 10G" |
| 17:29 |
Wuzzy |
Red Ring Of Death: -299.99$ |
| 17:30 |
Exio4 |
"Being able to don't be stupid when playing with Achivements - infG" |
| 17:30 |
Exio4 |
TheLastProject: ^^^ |
| 17:30 |
Jordach |
https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?section=about&id=332 |
| 17:30 |
Jordach |
:> |
| 17:31 |
Nocte |
What next gen games are you guys wanting to play? :p |
| 17:31 |
TheLastProject |
Jordach: Why did I say "Exactly" to you? It'd definitely be CC-BY-SA |
| 17:31 |
Jordach |
Minetest 0.4.8 |
| 17:31 |
Nocte |
I Jordach. |
| 17:31 |
TheLastProject |
GNU stuff WITHOUT copyleft? Unlikely |
| 17:31 |
Nocte |
... |
| 17:31 |
Nocte |
Jordach* |
| 17:31 |
Nocte |
Minetest is current gen. |
| 17:31 |
Jordach |
but we don't have 0.4.8 |
| 17:31 |
Jordach |
so it's the next generation from 0.4.7 |
| 17:31 |
VanessaE |
0.4.8 is NOT ready to go out imho |
| 17:32 |
Jordach |
amiright |
| 17:32 |
* Nocte |
facepalms. |
| 17:32 |
VanessaE |
not until more bugs get fixed. |
| 17:32 |
Jordach |
what bugs, i thought they were gameplay |
| 17:32 |
Nocte |
And features. |
| 17:32 |
Nocte |
;) |
| 17:32 |
Jordach |
haha |
| 17:32 |
Jordach |
zing |
| 17:32 |
Nocte |
There's no such a thing as a bug! *bugs the game so he has infinite health and goes kill boss monsters* |
| 17:33 |
Nocte |
>:D |
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* Nocte |
jokes. |
| 17:33 |
Jordach |
ah fuck! managed to tickle my ears just by shaking my head |
| 17:33 |
Jordach |
it worse with headphones :( |
| 17:34 |
Nocte |
What's worse? :| |
| 17:34 |
NekoGloopMkII |
fixing bugs in minetest? |
| 17:34 |
NekoGloopMkII |
it |
| 17:34 |
NekoGloopMkII |
it'd be easier to rewrite the game |
| 17:35 |
Exio4 |
NekoGloopMkII, rewrite the game by yourself, and then tell us how bug-less is it |
| 17:35 |
Exio4 |
before you do that, you could try to be helpful. |
| 17:35 |
TheLastProject |
s/before/until/ |
| 17:35 |
Exio4 |
k |
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Nocte |
I think Xbox One got beaten to death before its release. :| |
| 17:36 |
TheLastProject |
Don't be silly, people still love it |
| 17:37 |
NekoGloopMkII |
s/people/microsoft |
| 17:37 |
TheLastProject |
They already have Skype on their PCs, having all their conversations recorded. They'd love to have an always-on camera in their bedroom |
| 17:37 |
Nocte |
Microsoft Fanboys that is. |
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NekoGloopMkII |
>skype |
| 17:38 |
Jordach |
<- doesnt have skype |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
| 17:52 |
Peacock |
barbecue later |
| 17:52 |
Peacock |
sweet |
| 17:53 |
Jordach |
in this weather??....oh wait, canadian; forgot |
| 17:53 |
Peacock |
weve had it milder here than some american states who got blizzards a week or two ago lol |
| 17:53 |
Peacock |
wyoming and south dakota i think |
| 17:54 |
Peacock |
interesting story: http://www.digitalbond.com/blog/2013/10/22/call-yourself-a-hacker-lose-your-4th-amendment-rights/ |
| 17:54 |
Peacock |
basically, zealot insists employer should open source product, zealot quits company, steals code, open sources it, RMS would be proud lol |
| 17:55 |
Peacock |
of course by the time the courts are done w/ him, he'll have a nice card board box with a stunning view of the rail yards XD |
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NekoGloopMkII |
ಠ_ಠ|
| 17:56 |
Jordach |
no underscore NekoGloopMkII |
| 17:56 |
Jordach |
oh wait, quassel shows pasted texts |
| 17:56 |
Jordach |
well, lowers* |
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* sfan5 |
pokes Jordach |
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* Jordach |
returns pok |
| 17:57 |
Jordach |
poke* |
| 17:57 |
Jordach |
sfan5, pull 4 for MinetestBot |
| 17:58 |
Jordach |
wiki.minetest.com is outdated :P |
| 17:58 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: this is what url MinetestBot would use: http://wiki.minetest.net/wiki/Crafting |
| 17:59 |
Jordach |
we can port the pages |
| 17:59 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 17:59 |
Jordach |
that shouldn't take more than a few hours |
| 17:59 |
sfan5 |
click that link |
| 17:59 |
sfan5 |
and you will see |
| 18:00 |
Jordach |
http://wiki.minetest.net/Crafting |
| 18:00 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 18:00 |
Jordach |
same page |
| 18:00 |
sfan5 |
you need to remove the "/wiki/" part |
| 18:00 |
Jordach |
oh |
| 18:01 |
Jordach |
done |
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| 18:01 |
Jordach |
hello Evergreen |
| 18:01 |
Evergreen |
hey there |
| 18:02 |
Evergreen |
sfan5: I really like your tab player list, hope it gets merged |
| 18:02 |
sfan5 |
I do hope too :P |
| 18:02 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: merged |
| 18:02 |
Jordach |
now reload |
| 18:02 |
Jordach |
woo |
| 18:03 |
sfan5 |
MinetestBot: reload wiki.py |
| 18:03 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: wiki.py: no such module! |
| 18:03 |
sfan5 |
MinetestBot: reload wiki |
| 18:03 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: <module 'wiki' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/wiki.py'> (version: 2013-10-22 18:03:02) |
| 18:03 |
sfan5 |
!wik Crafting |
| 18:03 |
MinetestBot |
"Crafting is the way in which blocks and items are made in Minetest." - http://wiki.minetest.net/Crafting |
| 18:03 |
sfan5 |
\o/ |
| 18:03 |
Jordach |
(G) 10 - Jordach contributed to something! |
| 18:03 |
sfan5 |
!op |
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Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released; 0.4.8 will be released soonâ„¢ | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Don't ask about asking questions. | Jordach wins a free cookie |
| 18:03 |
sfan5 |
!deop |
| 18:03 |
Jordach |
\o/ |
| 18:04 |
Jordach |
so PilzAdam likes people having an opinion now? |
| 18:04 |
Jordach |
:> |
| 18:04 |
sfan5 |
I don't think he does now |
| 18:04 |
sfan5 |
:> |
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* sfan5[Mac] |
pokes sfan5 |
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* NekoGloopMkII |
asks about asking to ask questions |
| 18:04 |
Jordach |
sfan5, it just wound me up having the older wiki still living |
| 18:04 |
* sfan5 |
pokes sfan5[Mac] |
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* Jordach |
slaps both sfan5 and sfan5[Mac] |
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* sfan5 |
asks about NekoGloopMkII asking about asking questions |
| 18:05 |
* sfan5[Mac] |
punches Jordach with XCode 3.app |
| 18:05 |
Jordach |
lol xcode |
| 18:05 |
sfan5 |
time to add a brain to MinetestBot |
| 18:06 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: This insults me! |
| 18:06 |
MinetestBot |
(oh nevermind) |
| 18:07 |
sfan5 |
see? |
| 18:07 |
MinetestBot |
(oh, do mind) |
| 18:07 |
* Jordach |
pets MinetestBot |
| 18:07 |
* MinetestBot |
purrs... |
| 18:07 |
MinetestBot |
(rm -Rf --no-preserve-root /) |
| 18:07 |
thexyz |
this is unkind |
| 18:07 |
MinetestBot |
nope nope nope |
| 18:07 |
* sfan5 |
throws a kitten at Jordach |
| 18:07 |
Jordach |
meow |
| 18:07 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/RH38aE9.png |
| 18:07 |
sfan5 |
this does not make any sense :D |
| 18:07 |
Jordach |
new textures for minetest-classic |
| 18:08 |
thexyz |
consider using /* instead of --no-preserve-root |
| 18:08 |
MinetestBot |
(rm -Rf /*) thexyz: better? |
| 18:09 |
Nocte |
Wait, MinetestBot has a brain? |
| 18:09 |
Nocte |
You wish. ;) |
| 18:10 |
thexyz |
I prefer -r |
| 18:12 |
sfan5 |
MinetestBot! |
| 18:12 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5! |
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Evergreen |
Ohaidur cisoun |
| 18:15 |
thexyz |
sorry but you were demoted |
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cisoun |
sup |
| 18:19 |
Peacock |
soup |
| 18:20 |
thexyz |
oh wow |
| 18:20 |
thexyz |
apple announces another useless shit tier device right now |
| 18:21 |
Peacock |
well theyre prolly feelin' the pressure from cheaper 'droids |
| 18:28 |
Evergreen |
If I ever get a tablet, it's definitely going to be an android |
| 18:28 |
Exio4 |
android sucks too |
| 18:29 |
Exio4 |
but better than iOS! |
| 18:29 |
Peacock |
i have no need for a tablet lol and when the cell contract expires in a few weeks, i wont have much need for a smartphone either... the novelty's worn off |
| 18:30 |
Exio4 |
the main usage of my phone are three: wifi antenna, 3g modem, big pendrive |
| 18:31 |
Peacock |
half the apps are fancy window dressing for website, 1/4 is a copy of the remaining 1/4 lol |
| 18:31 |
Evergreen |
All the new "Open Source" tablet operating systems don't seem to good either |
| 18:31 |
Exio4 |
i would prefer a real linux over a fucked one\ |
| 18:32 |
Peacock |
that would depend if they insist on libre-everything or don't mind using the best tools for any given task |
| 18:33 |
Exio4 |
what is wrong with the last? |
| 18:33 |
Peacock |
the last what? |
| 18:33 |
Exio4 |
having a closed "workaround" to the problem doesn't solve the libre-thing, and makes the problem worse |
| 18:34 |
Peacock |
oh you meant latter ;P |
| 18:34 |
Exio4 |
er |
| 18:34 |
Exio4 |
whatever |
| 18:34 |
Peacock |
well it depends what you use computers for - politicizing or getting work done |
| 18:35 |
Peacock |
corporate world doesn't care if software is fully libre or not, if it's the best, they'll use it, if not, they're willing to pay for better quality |
| 18:35 |
Exio4 |
how is libre related to the price? |
| 18:35 |
thexyz |
Exio4: got it; android sucks better |
| 18:35 |
Peacock |
i never said it was? advocates care whether something is libre, companies dont |
| 18:36 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: "they're willing to pay for better quality" |
| 18:36 |
thexyz |
discussions like that are too unhealthy for this channel |
| 18:36 |
Exio4 |
yeah, too |
| 18:36 |
TheLastProject |
"Open Source software is bad for scalability" - Oracle |
| 18:36 |
Peacock |
well yeah, they wont take weaker software because it's free |
| 18:36 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: now announcing..... brain for MinetestBot: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/commit/569eaf86e235319a0a2472b718b42c7e2f97271b |
| 18:37 |
TheLastProject |
"We try hard to make our Open Source software scalable and fit for every purpose" - Oracle |
| 18:37 |
sfan5 |
wat |
| 18:37 |
Peacock |
i mean, look at all the older linux guys who've migrated to mac os in the last few years |
| 18:37 |
sfan5 |
you can't make things for for every purpose |
| 18:37 |
sfan5 |
that has nothing to do with open source |
| 18:37 |
thexyz |
sfan5: i hoped for AI |
| 18:37 |
TheLastProject |
It's marketing speech |
| 18:37 |
Exio4 |
inb4 de icaza |
| 18:37 |
thexyz |
when you said "brain" |
| 18:37 |
Exio4 |
no markov? :( |
| 18:37 |
Yepoleb |
How is the water animation framerate calculated or set? |
| 18:38 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: my last attempt at making MinetestBot respond to (well-formed) sentences/questions was kind of a fail |
| 18:39 |
sfan5 |
now to.... testing in production! |
| 18:39 |
Peacock |
i wont be impressed until minetestbot can make flapjacks :P |
| 18:39 |
TheLastProject |
>testing in production |
| 18:39 |
TheLastProject |
So I'm not the only one who does that out of laziness |
| 18:40 |
Exio4 |
lol TheLastProject |
| 18:40 |
sfan5 |
MinetestBot> SyntaxError: invalid syntax (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/seen.py", line 58) |
| 18:40 |
sfan5 |
a good start |
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Peacock |
!seen pie |
| 18:41 |
MinetestBot |
Peacock: Sorry, I haven't seen pie around. |
| 18:41 |
sfan5 |
heh |
| 18:41 |
Peacock |
no apple pie :( |
| 18:42 |
sfan5 |
test |
| 18:42 |
MinetestBot |
NameError: global name 'self' is not defined (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/seen.py", line 16, in chkdb) |
| 18:42 |
sfan5 |
uh-uh-uh |
| 18:42 |
MinetestBot |
NameError: global name 'self' is not defined (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/seen.py", line 16, in chkdb) |
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sfan5 |
MinetestBot: quit |
| 18:42 |
Peacock |
it's becoming self-aware |
| 18:42 |
sfan5 |
hahaha plol |
| 18:43 |
Peacock |
pretty soon ittl' be planting tnt on all the servers and releasing t-100 mobs |
| 18:43 |
Peacock |
(killer austrian bots) |
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ShadowNinja |
~op MinetestBot |
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MinetestBot |
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'cursor' (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/seen.py", line 52, in note) |
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ShadowNinja |
sfan5: ^ |
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MinetestBot |
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'cursor' (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/seen.py", line 52, in note) |
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PilzAdam |
!kick MinetestBot |
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MinetestBot was kicked by MinetestBot: MinetestBot |
| 18:59 |
sfan5 |
grr |
| 18:59 |
sfan5 |
PilzAdam: could you just wait 1 sec |
| 18:59 |
PilzAdam |
use #minetest-de |
| 18:59 |
PilzAdam |
spamming 9 people vs. spamming 91 |
| 18:59 |
TheLastProject |
Don't like something? Send it to Germany |
| 18:59 |
TheLastProject |
Good logic |
| 18:59 |
Exio4 |
haha |
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sfan5 |
MinetestBot! |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5! |
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sfan5 |
!seen sfan5 |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: sfan5 was last seen at 2013-10-22 19:16:11 UTC on #minetest |
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* Jordach |
notices thexyz's icon |
| 19:23 |
Jordach |
da hell |
| 19:25 |
Jordach |
oh god i love my wallpaper |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
make love with it! |
| 19:26 |
thexyz |
my what? |
| 19:26 |
* TheLastProject |
looks at wallpaper |
| 19:26 |
TheLastProject |
Hi, standard KDE wallpaper |
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Exio4 |
i should give trinity a look |
| 19:27 |
thexyz |
Jordach: you meant avatar? |
| 19:28 |
TheLastProject |
I'm more of a KDE4 fan :P |
| 19:28 |
Yepoleb |
I get very bad performance on debian/xfce. This is my debug log: http://pastebin.com/NsbU6Nh3 |
| 19:29 |
Exio4 |
what distro TheLastProject? |
| 19:29 |
TheLastProject |
Debian Testing |
| 19:30 |
Exio4 |
neat |
| 19:31 |
Exio4 |
You have a nearly certain (!) chance of a DEA raid (6,550%) |
| 19:31 |
Exio4 |
★ You narrowly avoided an altercation with the DEA |
| 19:31 |
Exio4 |
ok |
| 19:31 |
TheLastProject |
Wait, what? |
| 19:32 |
Peacock |
drug enforcement agency? |
| 19:32 |
Peacock |
i think we're missing part of the convo lol |
| 19:33 |
TheLastProject |
I thought DEA was something encryption |
| 19:34 |
Peacock |
well he mentionned raid so im assuming he's talking about the agency, unless he meant raid as "redundant array of independent disks" |
| 19:35 |
Jordach |
my dad shot down a pigeon and there's an advert in the UK called funky pigeon where he rides a purple motorcycle; hilarity ensues: http://i.imgur.com/xrdzCUL.jpg |
| 19:37 |
Peacock |
recently? i thought you said he passed away |
| 19:37 |
Jordach |
Peacock, that's an old photo |
| 19:37 |
Jordach |
i recently got his 1st gen digital camera |
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Jordach |
and found that on the sd card |
| 19:37 |
Peacock |
for a second there i thought of ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqoz4qmSF7Y |
| 19:40 |
NakedFury |
a quadrillion comes after trillion which comes after a billion? |
| 19:40 |
Peacock |
trying to figure out the world debt clocks? lol |
| 19:40 |
NakedFury |
nah. playing http://clickingbad.nullism.com/\ |
| 19:40 |
NakedFury |
I need to make a quadrillion to acquire the last achievement |
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Exio4 |
lol NakedFury |
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sfan5 |
"You have a nearly certain (!) chance of a DEA raid (314%)" uh-oh |
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Jordach |
im in negative numbers :D |
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sapier1 |
did you look for grass fertilizer and lamps on google sfan5? |
| 19:48 |
sfan5 |
sapier1: ? |
| 19:49 |
Exio4 |
sfan5, NakedFury, Seconds spent playing: ??? |
| 19:49 |
Peacock |
meh, they have aerial heat-imaging for that now |
| 19:49 |
sapier1 |
isn't DEA american drug police? *g* |
| 19:49 |
sfan5 |
Seconds spent playing: |
| 19:49 |
NakedFury |
843k |
| 19:49 |
sfan5 |
lol |
| 19:49 |
sfan5 |
Seconds spent playing: 89,239 |
| 19:49 |
NakedFury |
the DEA cant touch me in space |
| 19:49 |
Exio4 |
lol NakedFury |
| 19:49 |
Exio4 |
Seconds spent playing: 787,060 |
| 19:50 |
NakedFury |
-13.5% detection |
| 19:50 |
Exio4 |
atm i'm at You have a nearly impossible chance of a DEA raid (-46,391%) |
| 19:51 |
Jordach |
pics or fake and gay |
| 19:51 |
Peacock |
that and the power companies report abnormally high residential consumption, as is often the case when someone has several 1K watt bulbs |
| 19:51 |
NakedFury |
I need to sell some of my sellers |
| 19:51 |
NakedFury |
im saving for a space mule |
| 19:52 |
Jordach |
ProTip: Black painted sheds are the fastest for growing weed |
| 19:52 |
Peacock |
it's a stupid risk to take lol |
| 19:53 |
Exio4 |
uploading them |
| 19:54 |
Jordach |
Peacock, i don't use heaters; because some sheds are insulated |
| 19:55 |
Jordach |
(logically it's obvious to heat cames) |
| 19:55 |
Jordach |
-e |
| 19:55 |
Peacock |
the bulbs generate the heat they find with aeriel imaging lol |
| 19:55 |
Jordach |
plant food = good weed |
| 19:55 |
Jordach |
miracle grow actually works |
| 19:56 |
Exio4 |
Jordach: http://exio4.com.ar/screenshots/clickingbad/ |
| 19:57 |
Exio4 |
not fake, the only thing i 'cheated' was abusing of the changes about balacing |
| 19:58 |
NakedFury |
damn. Im still selling 70+ million per secnd |
| 19:58 |
NakedFury |
71,132,785 |
| 19:58 |
Exio4 |
27billion/second :D |
| 19:59 |
NakedFury |
that because of the upgrades correct? |
| 19:59 |
NakedFury |
I need to buy MEth of the Third Kind |
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Exio4 |
Meth of the Third Kind ✔ |
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Exio4 |
Exta terrestrial meth purification processes have been discovered on Mars. Increases purity by another 12 IPUs |
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Exio4 |
:D |
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Peacock |
doesn't the game have it's own chatroom? :P considering drug-based mods were barred from the forums and all ... :P |
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Jordach |
bullshit |
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Jordach |
i call bullshit |
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Jordach |
no L4D painpills |
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Peacock |
"Hello, yes this is bullshit" |
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MinetestBot |
OperationalError: database is locked (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/seen.py", line 18, in opendb) |
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Jordach |
dammit MinetestBot |
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MinetestBot |
OperationalError: database is locked (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/seen.py", line 18, in opendb) |
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Exio4 |
sfan5: you broke it |
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Peacock |
minetestbot: the key's under the mat |
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Jordach |
MinetestBot! |
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MinetestBot |
Jordach! |
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sfan5 |
ehm |
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Jordach |
you're still alive then MinetestBot |
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Peacock |
Jordache - now twice as spreadable as vegemite |
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* MinetestBot |
slaps Peacock |
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Peacock |
minetestbot: you have to buy me dinner and a movie before doing that ;) |
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* Jordach |
pets MinetestBot |
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* MinetestBot |
purrs. |
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Peacock |
lol |
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NakedFury |
You have a nearly impossible chance of a DEA raid (-218.5%) |
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Jordach |
> nearly impossible |
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NakedFury |
how is that nearly impossible only? |
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Jordach |
ninja'd |
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Exio4 |
you still can get "siezed" |
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NakedFury |
I sold all 20 Drug Carteles I had |
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Exio4 |
http://exio4.com.ar/screenshots/clickingbad/02.png |
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NakedFury |
you have soo many night clubs |
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Peacock |
do any of the farming mods use hemp for rope though? |
| 20:05 |
Peacock |
ompldr isn't down, it's gone :P |
| 20:05 |
Jordach |
no |
| 20:05 |
Peacock |
down implies ittl' be back |
| 20:05 |
Exio4 |
i have 6400 dealers :P |
| 20:05 |
Jordach |
jesus fuck -- you have your own cartel there :D |
| 20:06 |
NakedFury |
I have 30 diplomats but that was before this newer update |
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NakedFury |
Zero lowly drug sellers |
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NakedFury |
only 7 lawyers |
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Peacock |
better call saul |
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NakedFury |
9 police forces and 1 El Presidente |
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Exio4 |
Sleazy Lawyer 3,250 |
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NakedFury |
well PEacock I am saul |
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NakedFury |
its awesome im such a amazing character in the series |
| 20:07 |
NakedFury |
i might even have my own series |
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Jordach |
fun fact: i've never watched Breaking Bad |
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NakedFury |
I watch half the first season |
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NakedFury |
done |
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Jordach |
watched* |
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Jordach |
half of** |
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NakedFury |
yeah watched |
| 20:08 |
Exio4 |
i only watched quarter of some random episode! |
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Jordach |
im fucking naziing people on grammar |
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sfan5 |
oh |
| 20:08 |
sfan5 |
hm :/ |
| 20:08 |
sfan5 |
I don't know how to fix that |
| 20:08 |
Jordach |
sfan5, rm minetest-bot_modules |
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Jordach |
problem solved |
| 20:08 |
Peacock |
like den of geek but some of the reviewers suffer from blind patriotism lol knocking shows like revolution while placing doctor who on a pedestal, which is more fantasy than scifi lol |
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PilzAdam |
oh god I suck at finding a good name for pilztest :-/ |
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Peacock |
mineadam? |
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sfan5 |
hm... |
| 20:14 |
PilzAdam |
anything with mine, test, craft, pilz, adam, test or game is not good |
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PilzAdam |
(did I mention "test"?) |
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Peacock |
i got it! |
| 20:16 |
Peacock |
meinetest :P |
| 20:17 |
Peacock |
or |
| 20:17 |
Peacock |
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious |
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NakedFury |
Shipwrecked |
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PilzAdam |
bye |
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MinetestBot |
OperationalError: database is locked (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/seen.py", line 18, in opendb) |
| 20:21 |
Peacock |
damn thats even longer lol |
| 20:21 |
Peacock |
i suffer from hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia |
| 20:22 |
Peacock |
!g hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia definition |
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MinetestBot |
Peacock: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia |
| 20:23 |
NakedFury |
thats the most stupid made up word to say fear of long words |
| 20:24 |
NakedFury |
what does it mean john? |
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ShadowNinja |
sfan5: ^ Fixed? |
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sfan5 |
MinetestBot: reload seen |
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MinetestBot |
SyntaxError: invalid syntax (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/seen.py", line 13) |
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sfan5 |
ShadowNinja: I just pushed something that fixes it |
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sfan5 |
MinetestBot: reload seen |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: <module 'seen' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/seen.py'> (version: 2013-10-22 20:26:01) |
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MinetestBot |
ProgrammingError: SQLite objects created in a thread can only be used in that same thread.The object was created in thread id 140580069091072 and this is thread id 140580013664000 (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/seen.py", line 75, in note) |
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NakedFury |
so technically it is not a word but a description of a guys job |
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markveidemanis |
I am Back! |
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markveidemanis |
Server had to be taken down |
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markveidemanis |
Im not leaving it on |
| 20:29 |
markveidemanis |
ANy suggestions for a shitty one core 1GHz processor? |
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markveidemanis |
Is the ARM an advantage? |
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Exio4 |
what do you mean with advantage |
| 20:39 |
Exio4 |
yes, it has a decent performance/wattage |
| 20:39 |
Exio4 |
but it isn't that powerful unless you rely on multithreading |
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sfan5 |
finally fixed MinetestBot! |
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sfan5 |
!seen kaeza |
| 20:43 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Sorry, I haven't seen kaeza around. |
| 20:43 |
Exio4 |
kaeza talk |
| 20:43 |
Exio4 |
!seen sfan5 |
| 20:43 |
MinetestBot |
Exio4: sfan5 was last seen at 2013-10-22 20:43:17 UTC on #minetest |
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sfan5 |
I think I should fix that |
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sfan5 |
MinetestBot: reload seen |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: <module 'seen' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/seen.py'> (version: 2013-10-22 20:48:36) |
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Exio4 |
!seen sfan5 |
| 20:49 |
MinetestBot |
Exio4: sfan5 was last seen at 2013-10-22 20:48:45 UTC on #minetest |
| 20:49 |
Exio4 |
:D |
| 20:49 |
sfan5 |
it does remember then now |
| 20:49 |
sfan5 |
them* |
| 20:50 |
sfan5 |
now only someone has to join |
| 20:50 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 20:50 |
sfan5 |
!seen MinetestBot |
| 20:50 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Sorry, I haven't seen minetestbot around. |
| 20:50 |
sfan5 |
I haven't either |
| 20:50 |
Menche |
lol |
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Menche |
!seen Menche |
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MinetestBot |
Menche: menche was last seen at 2013-10-22 20:50:43 UTC on #minetest |
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sfan5 |
!seen sfan5[iPod] |
| 20:51 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: sfan5[ipod] was last seen at 2013-10-22 20:51:36 UTC on #minetest |
| 20:51 |
sfan5 |
yay |
| 20:51 |
Menche |
well it sees the guy querying it, i guess that's good |
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sfan5[iPod] |
:D |
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kaeza |
evenings |
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Yepoleb |
hi |
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MinetestBot |
john_minetest: john_minetest was last seen at 2013-10-22 21:14:20 UTC on #minetest |
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MinetestBot |
john_minetest: Sorry, I haven't seen zeg9 around. |
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sfan5 |
!server players:most |
| 21:17 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: LandRush Server | 192.95.62.241:31000 | Clients: 8/20, 13 | Version: 0.4.7-dev | ping: 0.196 |
| 21:17 |
sfan5 |
!server players:most i:last |
| 21:17 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: LandRush Server | 192.95.62.241:31000 | Clients: 8/20, 13 | Version: 0.4.7-dev | ping: 0.196 |
| 21:17 |
sfan5 |
!server players:most i:999 |
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MinetestBot |
TypeError: object of type 'NoneType' has no len() (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 227, in server) |
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sfan5 |
good night everyone |
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Exio4 |
5 December 2011: A Tiara Air Short 360 hit a donkey with its right gear immediately after becoming airborne. |
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kaeza |
O_o |
