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00:06 NakedFury exio4 I need 4 more billions for my second space mule
00:07 NakedFury doing 785million per second and manually 1.5 billion
00:07 Exio4 151,099,426,950,256
00:08 Exio4 my cash atm ^
00:08 NakedFury I hate you
00:08 Exio4 >:3
00:08 NakedFury :|
00:08 Exio4 my 12th space mule is 470billion tho
00:08 kaeza s/cash/cookies/
00:08 NakedFury why do you have 6k dealers?
00:08 Exio4 because economics in a future
00:09 Exio4 the game will allow the change of the buildings, when selling them, to vary
00:09 Exio4 == i could actually get a lot of money from them and they are doing nothing there :P
00:10 NakedFury I need to buy Pinky Genetics to unlock more upgrades but I want to reach the billion per second goal
00:13 NakedFury do you have a macro to click?
00:13 Exio4 no
00:13 Exio4 but i always bought in early states first the distributors
00:13 Exio4 and i abused the click
00:14 Exio4 the only things that i 'cheated' with clicks are the hell lot of dealers and so
00:15 NakedFury so you plan to wait a little then sell them at higher prices. I didnt understand your reason ^^
00:16 NakedFury do you think the game will stop doing DEA raids if I only have space labs and space distributors
00:16 NakedFury ?
00:16 Exio4 i don't think so
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00:16 NakedFury I mean you have 46k negative chance and you still get raided
00:17 NakedFury the money to keep buying dealers rises too fast
00:18 Exio4 lol
00:18 Exio4 they are 700m each
00:18 Exio4 or so
00:19 NakedFury I have zero right now and price is $20. When I started playing they were cheaper.
00:19 NakedFury 20 first, 80 second, 180 third, etc
00:20 NakedFury ok I did it. second space mule
00:20 NakedFury next goal pinky genetics
00:20 Exio4 var cst = ((scl.amount) * scl.base_cost) * (scl.amount);
00:20 Exio4 if(scl.amount > 10) {
00:20 Exio4 cst *= 2;
00:20 Exio4 from the code
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00:22 Evergreen Heyo
00:22 NakedFury hey
00:22 NakedFury ok now I do: $1,485,535,625 per second
00:22 NakedFury don show me yours
00:22 NakedFury gonna make me jealous
00:23 NakedFury e
00:23 Exio4 haha
00:23 Exio4 my goal is 50bn/s
00:23 Exio4 the game gets boring in this part though
00:23 NakedFury the meth o matic used to do more
00:24 Exio4 also
00:24 Exio4 i got a hell lot of meth and cash in uber-early stages of the game
00:24 Exio4 where the shit was less balanced and you could get a lot of mesh in a single night
00:25 NakedFury I stated playing in Alpha
00:25 NakedFury let me find version number
00:25 Exio4 wat.
00:25 Exio4 you played in that early stage and you didn't get over 913424582459345734534534534534$/s?
00:25 NakedFury no
00:26 NakedFury ok found it. Version 0.4
00:27 NakedFury ohh unlocked the last manufacturing and distribution
00:27 NakedFury Heisenbelt has an incredible description
00:27 Exio4 same here, version 0.4
00:29 NakedFury ok bought the upgrades
00:29 NakedFury ohh wait I had 2 more earlier to buy
00:29 NakedFury Shed Propane and Dealer Slacks
00:30 NakedFury ohh
00:30 NakedFury im done with them
00:31 Exio4 i always cheated with the updates though
00:31 NakedFury how?
00:32 Exio4 when i saw "distributors are gonna get expensive"
00:32 Exio4 bought distributors before f5
00:32 Exio4 and so on
00:32 Exio4 :P
00:32 * Exio4 is a bad player
00:33 NakedFury f5?
00:33 Exio4 refresh page
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01:00 Dark_Soul does anyone have the turrent mod for the technic mod i cant find it
01:01 NakedFury 2 more headshots
01:01 NakedFury no dark, never knew we had such a mod
01:02 Dark_Soul i thought we did
01:02 Dark_Soul i have one by cornernote but it shots the placer
01:03 Dark_Soul and i have tryed to make it not shot the placer but i cant seem to make it work
01:04 ShadowNinja Dark_Soul: I know of no thereby mod in technic, currently or in the past.
01:04 Dark_Soul hmm
01:05 Dark_Soul well if i post the init.lua in pastebin is it possible for you to show me how to make it not shout the placer?
01:06 Dark_Soul shoot*
01:08 ShadowNinja Dark_Soul: I can't right now.
01:08 Dark_Soul ok :/
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03:08 dafull97 Hello all, i have a Idea....
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03:33 paramat hmmmm, hiya :] in case you haven't seen this post ... https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?id=6396&p=2
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03:35 hmmmm err..
03:35 hmmmm nobody really iterates through data in that order, that's kind of weird
03:35 hmmmm if I were to add that, it'd be specifically for you and you alone
03:35 hmmmm if you're that serious about speed, you ought to re-write your mapgen in the core
03:41 paramat no problem i did think it was a long shot to ask heh :)
03:44 paramat however working through noise data column by column seems optimum for generating biomes ... ? biome selection is therefore run once per column
03:45 hmmmm the reason why my noise is in XYZ order is because that's the order of mapblocks
03:45 hmmmm like you just pointed out, that's not really the best way
03:45 hmmmm minecraft has a YXZ order for example which makes way more sense
03:45 hmmmm you iterate downward more than anything else
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03:48 paramat okay thanks
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04:02 NakedFury Exio4: new meth update
04:03 us_0gb Meth? As in methamphetamines?
04:03 * us_0gb is confused
04:03 NakedFury from this game: http://clickingbad.tumblr.com/
04:03 NakedFury breaking bad joke game
04:04 us_0gb Ah, okay. My coworkers explained what that show is about to me the other day.
04:06 paramat hmmmm, in case of confusion, when i write 'XZY-reversed order' in my post my terminology is the reverse of yours. to be clear i'm asking for a column by column order, iterating either up or down, i realise down is probably weird :)
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04:09 hmmmm ah
04:15 paramat the code i posted looks weird to me now :/ instead perhaps i should make nvals a non-flat 3d map and simply extract the noise values using an (x,y,z) index (however that is done), no 2nd voxelarea needed
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04:26 paramat ... okay proper terminology for standard is [z [y [x]]], so a column by column order would be [x [z [y]]] or [z [x [y]]]. thanks for your time :)
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05:08 ydooW hi, could anybody help me please?
05:09 ydooW is it possible to change the on-screen size of cubes in minetest?
05:09 us_0gb I do not believe it is. Sorry.
05:09 ydooW not even at the sources level?
05:10 us_0gb At the sources level, everything is possible.
05:10 ydooW i want to increase screen resolution so that i see more cubes on the screen, not so that they get bigger
05:10 ydooW is there any other way?
05:10 ydooW i tried to experiment with field of view, but that didn't help
05:10 us_0gb Besides editing the source code? I don't think so.
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05:11 ydooW i'm not aware of the source structure, would that be in lua part or C part?
05:13 us_0gb The C++ part. The Lua is more for customization of worlds. The client is fully in C++, as far as I know.
05:15 ydooW oh, i didn't realise that that should be a client-side change
05:15 ydooW thanks
05:16 us_0gb Yeah, it would be, as it doesn't effect the world, but how you view it.
05:17 ydooW thanks a lot, i'll try to investigate the sources, this doesn't seem to be too difficult
05:17 us_0gb Okay, best of luck!
05:19 NakedFury you want to change the 1 meter cubes to some other size?
05:23 ydooW i want to see more cubes on the screen when i maximize the window
05:24 ydooW can that be controlled by changing 1meter size to something smaller?
05:26 kaeza I don't think that would have a nice effect
05:27 ydooW do you mean that would essentialy make it more like lego?
05:27 ydooW like with smaller cubes
05:28 kaeza no I mean it involves changing the field of view, or the camera position
05:28 kaeza that will somewhat distort the image
05:28 ydooW i tried to play with just the field of view
05:28 ydooW that really distorted things
05:29 ydooW so i thought maybe changing the cubes sizes can somewhat compensate that
05:32 ydooW i found #define BS (10.0) in constants.h - it's commented as "size of node". does that mean cube size?
05:32 us_0gb The cubes are called nodes, so maybe.
05:32 kaeza eh no
05:33 kaeza BS is used for all kind of calculations AFAIK
05:33 kaeza even stuff that's stored on disk
05:33 ydooW i just found it used in the calculation of the position of the camera
05:33 ydooW like BS*1.6..
05:33 ydooW looks like the height of the player
05:33 kaeza changing it esentially makes your client incompatible
05:34 us_0gb Oh, that sounds unpleasant.
05:35 ydooW you mean the change must be closer to the screen routines?
05:36 kaeza grep '\bBS\b' -R src/
05:36 ydooW yeah, just looking through the list
05:36 ydooW of matches
05:37 kaeza just try!
05:37 ydooW to change it?
05:37 kaeza and get us a screenie of the result :P
05:38 us_0gb Might as well. The worst that will happen is a broken build.
05:38 kaeza (I make no guarantees to the integrity of your harddisk, computer, dog, cat, or anything else though)
05:38 ydooW might require some time to set up the build environment, never done that for minetest
05:39 ydooW will it run in a MV?
05:39 ydooW VM
05:39 kaeza why not?
05:39 us_0gb I think I read about someone running it in a virtual machine.
05:40 us_0gb Mouse control was difficult because of how the virtualization software handled mouse input, but all else was well.
05:40 ydooW i was worried about possible performance issues, but for a single frame that shouldn't be a big deal;o)
05:42 ydooW i will probably need to install irrlich
05:42 ydooW t
05:45 NakedFury http://i1-games.softpedia-static.com/screens​hots/Cube-World-Castle-Raiders-Trailer_2.jpg
05:47 NakedFury changing or making a above shoulder type camera will help see more nodes(cubes) in the game
05:47 NakedFury also changing their size will help like in that image link
05:48 NakedFury thats another game but it also uses cubes like in MT and minecraft
05:48 ydooW that's what i was imagining
05:48 ydooW i think i saw someone playing it
05:48 ydooW but why would above-shoulder camera help?
05:49 NakedFury it wouldnt. it would just let you see more of the world. thought that could also help you
05:50 ydooW do you mean further by saying "more"?
05:50 ydooW that wouldn't increase number of horizontal blocks, would it?
05:51 ydooW i mean on the axis of left to right
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05:53 NakedFury well it would make you view the game from some meters behind the character so if before in first person view you could see 3 nodes at a distance then now you can perhaps see 4 or 5. its just messing with the view.
05:53 NakedFury changing the sizes will help you see more nodes in vertical and horizontal.
05:56 ydooW damn, forgot about openal...
05:56 ydooW just give me a bit more time
05:59 NakedFury that will change the game from how its normally played. instead of three nodes tall minimum for a house you will need 6 if you decreased size by half, etc. It might be fun that way too.
06:00 ydooW i thought that would decrease the player size as well
06:02 NakedFury player size is separate
06:02 NakedFury I think.
06:03 ydooW getEyeOffset uses BS*1.5
06:03 ydooW so changing BS will definitely affect that
06:03 ydooW nor sure if there is something else
06:03 ydooW nor=nto
06:03 ydooW not
06:15 ydooW i changed the BS to 2.0 from 10.0, and don't really see any difference
06:15 ydooW apart from it refusing to open the old world
06:15 ydooW so it is incompatible indeed
06:15 ydooW but when i generated a new worlds - it just looks the same
06:17 kaeza that's because everything is multiplied by BS
06:17 ydooW but it is then scaled back according to the window size
06:18 kaeza I guess you should look around src/camera.cpp:358
06:19 ydooW that's where i am now...
06:20 ydooW somewhere near aspect ratio and FOV
06:21 kaeza what you want is not possible, or just not have the desired effect
06:21 kaeza it's not like a 2D tile mapping engine where you would just draw the tiles smaller
06:22 ydooW that's 3d, which is even more flexible
06:22 kaeza as NakedFury said, you'd have to adjust the camera pos, but that would have unintended side-effects
06:22 ydooW it looks like they did it somehow one the screenshot provided by NakedFury
06:23 kaeza yes, but in that case it's not first person view
06:24 NakedFury if the camera is change to Over the shoulder or Third person View it can cause problems in tight spaces, caves, etc
06:24 ydooW ah, you mean if i essentially take camera miles behind - everything will become small?
06:24 kaeza if you look that screenshot, the camera is way high up
06:25 ydooW but even in the game on the screenshot i don't think the number of cubes is automatically adjusted when the window size is changed
06:35 khonkhortisan the less square your window is the worse the perspective is
06:36 ydooW but can't you compensate that by putting appropriate horizontal/vertical amount of cubes to match the aspect ratio?
06:39 khonkhortisan there's only one number for Field of Vision, which is then spread out across the dimensions
06:40 ydooW you mean having two separate field of visions for horizontal and vertical dimensions would fix that?
06:41 kaeza that's not how it works
06:42 kaeza there are only two ways of achieving what you want: either move the camera back, or increase the FOV
06:42 NakedFury Field of View will let you see more
06:42 kaeza none of them is particularly nice
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06:43 NakedFury http://roi.webfactional.com/img/so/fieldOfView.gif
06:43 NakedFury an example
06:44 ydooW can increasing both window size and FOV fit more cubes on the screen?
06:47 ydooW or should it be curved as well  to compensate fisheye effect?
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07:19 khonkhortisan I use 120FOV
07:20 ydooW and what's the window size you use?
07:21 khonkhortisan maximized inside 1440x900
07:22 ydooW i just tried increasing the player height
07:22 khonkhortisan I'm not close enough to my screen for the angle to be correct
07:22 ydooW looks a bit closer to what i wanted
07:23 ydooW not quite good enough
07:30 ydooW i wonder if it is possible to survive FOV=360...
07:33 ydooW couldn't make that work in minetest, but some people could do that in real world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr8P0rel6Vw
07:36 ydooW found a place in minetest where the fov is limited to 170 degrees
07:38 khonkhortisan In bzflag it's not limited, but 360 and 180 break it, anything over 180 is upside-down, and anything too high (just below 120) lets you see through walls that are beside/above you
07:39 NakedFury player character size is different from player view height, so the devs tell me. So if you change the size of the character, something like 1.5 meters then you have to change the player camera to match
07:39 ydooW i changed both size and eye offset
07:39 NakedFury ohhh to how much?
07:39 ydooW so i was feeling like a long thing enderman;o)
07:39 NakedFury and if you have the skills would it be hard to make that into Lua code too?
07:39 ydooW high, but narrow
07:40 khonkhortisan I'd like to see a game that allowed a 360fov without virtual reality equipment in a way that didn't break
07:40 ydooW you mean make player height adjustible from lua?
07:40 ydooW the youtube video i found is a nice example
07:40 ydooW they use cylinder projection
07:41 NakedFury if such a thing is possible it would allow for more game types. like the Dwarf mode a user in forum was trying
07:41 ydooW which is a bit different, so it will probably require changes to the irrlicht
07:41 NakedFury or taller people, etc
07:41 ydooW i think dwarf mode is useless without decreasing the size of blocks as well
07:42 ydooW because you'll break huge block with the same effort
07:42 ydooW but a giant mode might be interesting
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07:42 ydooW the only problem is that becoming taller means you can't break cubes under your feet. they will be out of reach
07:43 NakedFury dwarf mode can be something like 1.25 or just a little over 1 meter. smaller would be Gnomes or Hobbits or Halflings
07:43 NakedFury also brake time is already configurable in lua so it can be changed too
07:43 NakedFury a giant would be cool too
07:44 NakedFury but such a mode would need a special new breaking method so he takes many nodes at once
07:44 ydooW yeah, breaking many nodes at once might make it usable
07:45 NakedFury also depends on how big is the giant.
07:46 NakedFury mny possibilities
07:47 ydooW is it currently possible to change anything player-related from lua?
07:47 ydooW i need a starting point
07:47 NakedFury skins
07:47 NakedFury but I think 3d model, view point, height is all done in source
07:48 ydooW view point and height definitely are
07:49 kaeza 3d model is also configurable via Lua
07:49 kaeza see minetest_game/mods/player.lua
07:50 NakedFury I dont know if there is a player width too in source
07:50 NakedFury there must be
07:50 ydooW there is
07:50 NakedFury that has to be changed too
07:50 ydooW but not explicitly
07:50 ydooW that will pose more problems
07:51 NakedFury so you can have 2 node fat characters, etc
07:51 kaeza err... mods/default/player.lua
07:51 NakedFury well I just mention it for the Giant idea
07:52 ydooW the next step would be to add size-changing mushrooms;o)
07:52 NakedFury Alice in Wonderland reference
07:53 NakedFury been watching Once Upon a Time in Wonderland
07:54 ydooW then it would be nice to adjust jumping height as well
07:55 NakedFury Camera height, player height, width, arm reach.
07:55 NakedFury adjusting gravity can affect jumping
07:55 NakedFury and I think that was already in lua
07:56 ydooW that notion of having player-based gravity is a bit strange
07:56 ydooW gravity should be the same in the world
07:57 ydooW perhaps adding mass and jump force can be a solution
07:57 NakedFury well player jump and player speed can be changed but in source
07:58 kaeza player speed can also be changed in Lua
07:58 NakedFury the player normal walking speed?
07:58 kaeza yep
07:58 kaeza player:set_physics_override()
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07:59 kaeza try PilzTest; it makes you slower the more hungry you are
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08:14 ydooW yes, something like that physics override can be implemented for height
08:17 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Mole Day! :-D
08:25 ydooW that's a nice comparison of FoVs: http://strlen.com/gfxengine​/fisheyequake/compare.html
08:26 ydooW fisheye is the answer...
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08:43 sfan5 hi everyone
08:48 kaeza hi
09:06 nore hi sfan5
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09:52 germa hi to all
09:53 VanessaE hi
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09:53 germa sorry... im the man of questions :) i try to install texture... but... why i find only minetest.conf.example and no minetest.config?
09:53 germa hi vanessae
09:54 germa you make texture :) you are a vip!
09:54 VanessaE by default, minetest.conf doesn't exist -- until you start the game once
09:54 VanessaE and then it'll be in the minetest folder, or in ~/.minetest
09:54 VanessaE me, a vip?  heh.  hardly.
09:55 germa yes,,, i can't find...
09:55 germa mmm
09:55 VanessaE what is the path of your minetest folder?
09:55 germa don
09:56 germa ops
09:56 germa i cant write the path
09:56 germa ahah
09:56 VanessaE ah write permission would help.
09:56 VanessaE where is the folder?
09:56 germa slash home slash andrea slash minetest
09:56 VanessaE ok
09:56 VanessaE this is a run-in-place build?
09:57 germa yes
09:57 VanessaE (btw, start with two slashes when you write it in IRC and it'll usually make it through)
09:57 VanessaE ok
09:57 germa thanks
09:58 VanessaE can you:  ls -lda /home/andrea/minetest
09:59 germa and now? i have the permission?
09:59 VanessaE it should output a single line - paste it here
10:00 germa drwxrwxr-x 19 andrea andrea 4096 ott 23 11:50 /home/andrea/minetest
10:00 VanessaE ok, that looks fine
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10:01 VanessaE now do,   ls -la /home/andrea/minetest        (without the 'd')
10:01 VanessaE and go to pastebin.com to paste the result
10:01 VanessaE it'll be several lines
10:02 germa sorry i don't want take your time... http://pastebin.com/a9TNijya
10:02 VanessaE it's okay
10:02 VanessaE I got somewhere else to be? ;)
10:02 VanessaE ok that all looks right
10:02 VanessaE how do you start minetest?
10:03 germa ahah thank you
10:03 VanessaE I mean, the exact command
10:03 germa i start from bin folder
10:04 VanessaE the exact command?
10:04 germa i double click in the executable minetest file :)
10:04 VanessaE ok
10:05 VanessaE try this:   cd /home/andrea/minetest  ;  bin/minetest
10:05 VanessaE copy&paste that to a terminal
10:05 VanessaE then close the game and check the folder again, see if it creates the config this tim,e
10:06 germa no
10:06 VanessaE ok, now:
10:06 VanessaE open CMakeCache.txt in an editor such as mousepad, gedit, or whatever you have handy
10:07 germa yes, open
10:07 VanessaE search the document for, RUN_IN_PLACE
10:07 germa RUN_IN_PLACE:BOOL=0
10:07 VanessaE AH!
10:08 VanessaE that's the problem.
10:08 VanessaE your config is not going to be in that folder.
10:08 germa WRITE 1?
10:08 VanessaE it's gonna be in ~/.minetest  <-- note the dot
10:08 pitriss germa: in your case is your config in ~/.minetest
10:08 VanessaE beat you to id, pitriss  :)
10:08 germa yes... i don't have the folder with dot
10:08 VanessaE germa: it won't show up by default
10:08 VanessaE the leading dot should hide it
10:09 VanessaE try,  ls -la ~/.minetest
10:09 VanessaE also:
10:09 germa oh yes
10:09 VanessaE this is not a run-in-place build
10:09 VanessaE you have to `make install` to proprly install it
10:09 germa wait... i don't unistall minetest from repisitory
10:09 VanessaE OR you can rebuild with that flag set to 1   ( cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 )
10:10 VanessaE how did you obtain this build?
10:10 pitriss VanessaE: or he should recompile with run_in_place:)
10:10 pitriss hehe im slow today:D
10:10 VanessaE pitriss: beat you to it again ;)
10:10 germa from here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837
10:10 VanessaE ah.
10:10 VanessaE you must have used the non-portable link
10:11 germa yes
10:11 VanessaE his link is wrong.
10:11 germa i used that
10:11 VanessaE just cd to the minetest folder and do,  make install
10:11 VanessaE then run minetest without any path.  just type minetest.
10:12 germa the folder andrea ecc...
10:12 VanessaE yes
10:12 VanessaE cd /home/andrea/minetest ; make install
10:12 VanessaE OR
10:12 VanessaE you can rebuild it as run-in-place:
10:13 VanessaE cd /home/andrea/minetest ; cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 ; make
10:13 VanessaE and then run it like you usually do.
10:13 VanessaE either way will work, it just depends on your preference.
10:13 germa oh i try the second drun in place
10:13 VanessaE ok
10:13 VanessaE it will take a couple minutes to recompile
10:14 germa i have nothing to do
10:14 VanessaE ok
10:14 germa start
10:15 VanessaE yep, if the build finished without error, start it like you usually do.
10:15 VanessaE then exit and check the folder.
10:15 germa yes...
10:15 VanessaE did it create the new config file?
10:16 germa i'm on 13%
10:16 VanessaE oh ok
10:16 VanessaE pray. ;)
10:16 germa eheh
10:17 germa thank you again
10:17 VanessaE you're welcome, hope this works
10:17 germa yes,,, in other case don't install texture :)
10:18 VanessaE admittedly if this doesn't work, it would make it a little harder to do ;)
10:18 germa and i can't
10:19 VanessaE ?
10:19 germa I can't do harder solutions, im not good user
10:19 VanessaE you'll learn
10:19 germa yes... wannabe
10:19 VanessaE the fact that you're using Linux is a god step.
10:20 germa yes, i like it
10:20 VanessaE er good steop
10:20 germa but i need to study
10:20 VanessaE *sigh*
10:20 VanessaE I can't type at all today
10:21 germa ahah
10:21 germa mystic
10:21 germa but i read "good"
10:21 VanessaE right
10:22 VanessaE *waits*  *hopes*
10:23 germa ahah
10:23 germa i see
10:23 germa oh finish
10:23 VanessaE ok
10:23 VanessaE bin/minetest
10:23 VanessaE without a leading slash.
10:26 VanessaE did it work?
10:26 germa oh wow! work... i see the texture in game... but now try to "reinstall"
10:26 VanessaE yay!
10:26 germa thank you!
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10:26 germa ops... leaving
10:27 VanessaE oops
10:27 VanessaE naw, typo
10:27 VanessaE wrong key
10:27 germa thank you!
10:27 germa ahah
10:27 VanessaE anyways, no need to 'reinstall'\
10:27 VanessaE all your stuff is still there
10:27 VanessaE you have a minetest.conf now?
10:28 germa no ahah
10:28 VanessaE wha?
10:28 VanessaE maybe you need to change some random setting in the game first
10:28 germa ah ok
10:28 VanessaE try going to the 'settings' tab and, oh, turn off fancy leaves let's say
10:29 VanessaE then exit the game and check the folder again
10:29 VanessaE hey Taoki
10:30 germa yes.. now have the minetest.conf file
10:30 VanessaE yay!!!!
10:30 germa big vanessae!
10:30 germa yee
10:30 VanessaE now you can play normally (feel free to turn that checkbox back on if you want, by the way)
10:31 VanessaE ok since you're up and running, I'm gonna head off.  I'll be back on some time later today
10:31 VanessaE good luck and have fun :-)
10:32 VanessaE kaeza: I'll pull that later.  too tired to mess with it. :-)
10:32 germa thank you  very much again Vanessae
10:32 VanessaE you're quite welcome
10:32 VanessaE night
10:33 kaeza VanessaE, sure :)
10:33 kaeza nite
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10:42 germa yeee i have the texture... i have to copy files in texture/all now i can try to make zelda texture! ahah
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12:13 reactor Flood bot.
12:14 nore nope, usually ShadowBot bans people for excess flood
12:14 ShadowNinja nore: A plugin used sendMsg instead of queueMsg too much.
12:14 nore ShadowNinja, how is ShadowBot programmed?
12:14 ShadowNinja nore: I am yelling at the developer now.
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12:14 nore have you the source?
12:15 ShadowNinja nore: Yes, it is a Limnoria bot.
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14:29 thexyz > Not being able to program is the illiteracy of this century.
14:30 nore where did you see that?
14:30 thexyz hn
14:31 thexyz https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6598361
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14:38 kaeza dat BS
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14:50 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
14:50 nore hi
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15:02 Jordach good afternoon MinetestBot
15:02 Jordach </testing_ai>
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15:05 john_minetest Hello everypony
15:06 john_minetest !rtfm
15:06 MinetestBot Somebody thinks you should read the manual. The wiki for dev related questions is at http://dev.minetest.net , the regular wiki is at http://wiki.minetest.net.
15:06 john_minetest :D
15:06 john_minetest THAT is AI.
15:06 john_minetest !next
15:06 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
15:06 Jordach silly MinetestBot
15:06 john_minetest I love these commands. Seen on #archlinux, ported here.
15:07 PilzAdam yay! more bot spamming!
15:07 john_minetest It is no bot spamming,
15:08 john_minetest Those commands answer common questions like: "Can I use minecraft mods for minetest?"
15:09 kaeza a !pil command would be nice too
15:09 kaeza just in case :P
15:09 kaeza ( http://lua.org/pil/ )
15:10 PilzAdam and !pilz, to ping me
15:11 PilzAdam (or, with a 50% chance get a free beer ;-))
15:16 john_minetest !pilz
15:16 john_minetest You get a free beer. Deal with it.
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15:20 Jordach kaeza, i might be able to do that
15:21 Jordach essentially: if MSG == "!pil": chan.send("Someone thinks you need to read the Lua manual.")
15:22 * Jordach learned a neat trick for nocookie
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15:25 Jordach it allows me to avoid having to enable cookies for every tab
15:25 Jordach (that stupid EU bullshit about allowing cookies)
15:32 Jordach sfan5, https://github.com/Jordach/minetestbot-modules/​commit/fd1a0ea78b261f2ff90823f676f4515e32e4e8ae
15:33 Jordach phew -- didnt fuck that up first try
15:33 Jordach (that's a first!)
15:33 sfan5 hm
15:34 sfan5 Jordach: add it to COMMANDS.md
15:34 Jordach SHIT; KNEW IT
15:35 sfan5 I just got a new TV with WiFi
15:35 sfan5 lets portscan it
15:35 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/minetestbot-modules/​commit/e6873e3f44e75c7bcf63303a27c896d2dfc70079
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15:38 kaeza !questions
15:38 MinetestBot Someone thinks that your question is inaccurate or doesn't follow the guidelines. Read here how to make it right: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
15:38 sfan5 Jordach: formatting pls
15:38 sfan5 do you see how every line is lined up
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15:38 markveidemanis Hi
15:38 sfan5 make a shorter description
15:38 sfan5 !op
15:39 Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released; 0.4.8 will be released soon™ | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Don't ask about asking questions. | john_minetest wins a free beer
15:39 sfan5 !deop
15:39 markveidemanis 5.81.157.109:30010 is run on a kindle and has all the mods i am going to put on then proper server
15:40 Jordach fixed
15:40 Jordach sfan5, ^
15:40 Jordach i also lined up the breaks and shit just because the others are
15:41 Jordach <Thunderbird> Merged #5.
15:41 Jordach :D
15:41 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload shortutils
15:41 MinetestBot sfan5: <module 'shortutils' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/shortutils.pyc'> (version: 2013-09-28 06:59:34)
15:41 Jordach !pil
15:41 sfan5 oh
15:41 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload shortutils
15:41 MinetestBot sfan5: <module 'shortutils' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/shortutils.py'> (version: 2013-10-23 15:41:43)
15:41 Jordach !pil
15:41 MinetestBot Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
15:41 Jordach woot
15:42 Jordach kaeza, ^^^
15:42 kaeza :D
15:42 PilzAdam !pil Jordach
15:42 MinetestBot Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
15:42 PilzAdam !pil kaeza
15:42 MinetestBot Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
15:42 PilzAdam !pil sfan5
15:42 MinetestBot Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
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15:42 PilzAdam she should say that to everyone automatically
15:42 sfan5 PilzAdam: do you always need to take that way..
15:42 Dan_D How do I use the file hostin gthing on the forum?
15:43 sfan5 Dan_D: is it really that hard?
15:43 kaeza yay! more bot spamming!
15:43 Dan_D I don't know what the bbcode is
15:43 Dan_D The boxshowing downloads etc
15:43 sfan5 Jordach: note for future pulls: I can reload an existing module at runtime, but not add new ones at runtine
15:43 Jordach sfan5, noted
15:43 Jordach (that's probably why I added it to shortutils.py)
15:44 sfan5 it fit perfectly into shortutils
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15:44 sfan5 !seen already has 74 people in its DB
15:44 germa hi!
15:45 sfan5 hi
15:45 germa suggest mods?
15:45 Dan_D I can add files, but can't work out how to show them in the actual box.
15:46 sfan5 germa: http://minetest.net/mods
15:46 Dan_D Hello? Help?
15:47 germa yes... i see... but any suggestion for good mods?
15:47 Dan_D Mesecons, Homedecor, Simplemobs
15:47 kaeza sfan5, homedecor should probably be in that list
15:47 sfan5 Dan_D: first post the post, then go to the attachments page and use that link
15:47 Dan_D But how to show the downloads etc?
15:47 germa i install,bed, simple mobs, boats and Jkmod
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15:48 Dan_D I just get the link
15:48 Dan_D Which doesn't show the downloads box etc
15:48 Dan_D Oh wait never mind
15:49 sfan5 kaeza: added
15:49 kaeza thanks :)
15:49 Dan_D How do I change the position of the box?
15:50 germa wow... good mods thanks
15:50 sfan5 apparently nginx runs on my new TV
15:51 nore sfan5, !pil should ping the targeted user too
15:51 Jordach well that's a start
15:51 sfan5 what 'bout a pull request?
15:51 Jordach oh fuck tyhat
15:51 Jordach that*
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15:52 sfan5 lets throw nmap at it
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15:52 * Jordach has been watching Civ 5 gameplay all day
15:52 * nore is too lazy to do a pull...
15:52 sfan5 well then
15:53 Dan_D How to change the position of the downloads box?
15:53 PilzAdam Dan_D, https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=115301#p115301 I dont understand that
15:53 PilzAdam it doesnt really make sense to me, can you explain your point?
15:53 Dan_D Well, what if I update a mod very regularly?
15:53 sfan5 "git clone forum uploads" wat
15:53 Dan_D I don't want people to have to go to the page every time to download
15:53 sfan5 do you expect a forum to host a git repo with pull request ability for  you?
15:54 Dan_D No, the point was only Github can do that
15:54 Dan_D Which is why github is better imo
15:54 PilzAdam oh, I see that you dont understand my post
15:55 PilzAdam github is just a host for git repos
15:55 Dan_D Oh right
15:55 PilzAdam what you want is all done by git, not github
15:55 Dan_D I though it hosted the files too
15:55 Dan_D I thought git and github were the same thing
15:55 Jordach lol
15:55 Jordach Dan_D, using talktalk btw
15:55 PilzAdam read that: http://git-scm.com/book
15:55 Dan_D Still, how do I move the downloads box around the post?
15:56 Jordach Dan_D, they always sit at the bottom
15:56 Dan_D Otherwise it is stuck at the end.
15:56 PilzAdam sfan5, !git for that link: http://git-scm.com/book
15:56 Dan_D Ok
15:56 Jordach PilzAdam, five secs
15:56 Dan_D Shame
15:57 sfan5 Jordach: pull first
15:57 Dan_D Well, the link seems to work for ship.we
15:57 Dan_D Yay I guess
15:58 nore http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-10-23 <-- #minetest-dev was not very active today
15:58 sfan5 Jordach: I said pull ( https://github.com/Jordach/minetestbot-modules/​commit/591326427181721cb5656d1bfd06491d66759c80 )
15:59 Jordach oh shit
15:59 Jordach and git shell isnt in start meny
15:59 Jordach menu*
16:00 PilzAdam my windows 7 in this dualboot recently destroyed itself
16:00 nore sfan5, you could change "Somebody" with the same of the one that said !rtfm too
16:00 PilzAdam it said it needed to check the filesystem, found something wrong, and "fixed" it
16:00 PilzAdam now every boot ends in a bluescreen
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16:05 nore PilzAdam, lol
16:06 nore did it destroy your linux too?
16:06 PilzAdam no
16:06 PilzAdam otherwise I would have sued Microsoft
16:07 nore what did it find wrong?
16:07 PilzAdam how should I know that? windows doesnt tell its users anything
16:08 Jordach sfan5, git is being an ass; it won't push my perfectly good changes despite i git pulled correctly
16:08 Jordach to my patch-2 branch
16:08 nore yeah, forgot about that part
16:08 PilzAdam Jordach, force push after you rebased to master
16:12 Jordach https://github.com/sfan5/m​inetestbot-modules/pull/7
16:12 Jordach fixed
16:13 Jordach sfan5, ^
16:19 germa nooo why the helicopter mod no have texture... noooo
16:24 * Jordach pokes sfan5 again
16:26 Jordach !pil PilzAdam
16:26 MinetestBot PilzAdam, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
16:26 john_minetest !pil zadam
16:26 MinetestBot zadam, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
16:26 Jordach that S in someone needs to not be a capital
16:27 Jordach same for the others too
16:29 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/minetestbot-modules/​commit/c0b95a148b3445e23612b233447b2f1d40d7bd30
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16:32 Jordach hello Evergreen
16:32 Jordach i've been extending MinetestBot again
16:32 Evergreen Hey
16:32 Jordach now with !git [nick] and !pil [nick]
16:33 Jordach !pil Evergreen
16:33 MinetestBot Evergreen, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
16:33 Jordach that fucking typo annoys the shit out of me
16:38 thexyz wow
16:38 thexyz that's truly awesome
16:39 thexyz !git Jordach
16:39 thexyz no?
16:39 Jordach thexyz, https://github.com/Jordach/minetestbot-modules/​commit/c0b95a148b3445e23612b233447b2f1d40d7bd30
16:39 Jordach sfan5 just needs to MERGE
16:39 Jordach *wink wink*
16:40 thexyz meh
16:40 thexyz that code quality
16:40 Jordach does it work
16:40 thexyz indeed it does
16:40 Jordach !pil thexyz
16:40 MinetestBot thexyz, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
16:41 thexyz !stfu Jordach
16:41 thexyz oh
16:41 john_minetest Jordach: You lucky one! My pull took about 1.5 weeks or more!
16:41 Jordach john_minetest, :D
16:41 thexyz plz add "someone thinks you should shut the fuck up"
16:41 Jordach thexyz, later.
16:42 Jordach okay, didn't make a piss up; good :D
16:42 thexyz "someone thinks you should stop procrastinating"
16:42 Jordach !proc
16:43 Jordach [nick] *
16:43 john_minetest lol, action here. people on #archlinux and #syslinux asking me about my problems while I am trying to fix it :D
16:43 Jordach mmm, archlinux
16:43 thexyz okay, how about instead you fix this mess and make the code look clean and nice?
16:43 * Jordach fires up virtual box
16:44 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload shortutils
16:44 MinetestBot sfan5: <module 'shortutils' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/shortutils.py'> (version: 2013-10-23 16:44:03)
16:44 thexyz I mean, every command includes this copypasta about "aa_hook"
16:44 sfan5 !git sfan5
16:44 MinetestBot sfan5, someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Git, please go to: http://git-scm.com/book/
16:44 sfan5 thexyz: I can't hook functions in any other way
16:44 thexyz yeah sure whatever
16:44 Jordach btw, i removed the caps in the second concat to make it look good
16:44 thexyz !python sfan5
16:44 PilzAdam !git
16:44 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'strip' (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/shortutils.py", line 70, in git)
16:45 sfan5 derrrp
16:45 PilzAdam Jordach bwoke it!
16:45 sfan5 PilzAdam: it's my fault
16:45 * Jordach exhales
16:45 thexyz also consider writing tests
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16:46 PilzAdam she obviously doesnt want to strip for you, sfan5
16:46 * Jordach starts Arch Linux in VB
16:46 sfan5 haha
16:46 sfan5 s/haha/plol/
16:46 thexyz that's how degradation looks
16:47 john_minetest Jordach: That's what I am doing all the time long.
16:47 Jordach MinetestBot, strip for us!
16:47 MinetestBot No.
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16:52 thexyz people finally started using attachments <3
16:53 Jordach fuckin hell - i've nearly got arch going \o/
16:53 sapier arch as in arch linux?
16:53 Jordach yes sapier
16:54 Jordach i'll probably build my minetest-classic with it
16:54 sapier why "nearly"?
16:54 markveidemanis 5.81.157.109:30010 Finally running, this will be what gets moved to minetest.orh:30010
16:54 Jordach sapier, started the install just now :)
16:54 sapier ok :-)
16:54 markveidemanis *minetest.org
16:54 sapier you know using bleeding edge linux distro with outdated minetest is quite ironic ;-)
16:55 PilzAdam *buntu 13.10 has 0.4.7 in the repos
16:55 Jordach sapier, it's faster
16:56 sapier anything new claims to be faster is it more than a subjective feeling or do you have prove?
16:57 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/1lKXaAP.png soo good
16:58 sapier btw if anyone knows a linux distri with multiple graphics card support as well as a REAL desktop I'm looking for one ;-)
16:58 sapier I guess I'll stay at debian ;-P
16:59 sapier great does anyone know whats last visual studio express working without registration?
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17:00 thexyz well it's not like you can't google the key
17:01 nore sfan5, add a "Please be patient" command, that can be useful too
17:01 sapier that's not legal as far as I know ;-)
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17:02 thexyz then register
17:03 thexyz or use it for 30 days or whatever the limit is
17:04 sapier considering ppl beeing so interested in free licensing it's quite interesting to support toolchains beeing that non free ;-)
17:05 thexyz yeah well whatever
17:06 sapier everyone trys to force you to use an account nowadays just to ensure you have to accept theit "sell your soul" user policys ;-)
17:06 john_minetest http://asset-0.soup.io/asset/5864/6248_0797.jpeg
17:08 sapier didn't australians last year add a new color to weather forecast to show temperatures > 40° ?
17:09 kahrl sapier: what I did when I used MSVC last time is ignored the GUI, just ran the compiler
17:09 kahrl no stupid registration message that way
17:10 sapier really? great I don't need the gui ... quite slow on vm either
17:10 kahrl might have been changed since then but probably not
17:10 sapier I'll have a try
17:10 Jordach wat wat wat
17:11 Jordach <Chrome> A download is currently in progress...
17:11 Jordach > I have TWO WINDOWS OPEN.
17:12 sapier chrome ... what do you expect of google integrated browser?
17:12 Jordach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb2Ct3yyB4g
17:12 Jordach wat
17:13 Jordach it even complains when closing a single tab
17:13 sapier you should be glad it doesn't tell "nsa upload in progress please open your door and don't try to get away"
17:13 Jordach sapier, it's a debian iso - im planning on dual buildbots
17:13 Jordach one for tinkering, one for building
17:13 sapier it's stll chrome
17:13 sapier I'm almost sure it's not part of debian
17:15 Jordach i've made more minetestbot-modules commits than sfan5
17:15 sapier any idea where to post mingw build instructions?
17:15 Jordach on the internet
17:15 Jordach ;)
17:15 sapier yea correct answer but quite useless ;-P
17:16 Jordach pastebin, good quality forums post, instructions on the developer wiki
17:16 sapier I'm not very common to our wiki do we have build instructiosn there?
17:18 * Jordach suggests setting the default avatar size to 64px
17:18 thexyz what's the point?
17:18 Jordach 60px is a strange number
17:19 Jordach and people who use base2 sized images will benefit
17:19 sapier lol binary guy ;-)
17:19 Jordach (such as me, jojoa, that guy who made the useless mod) and others too
17:19 thexyz how's it strange?
17:19 thexyz i can agree that, say, 61 is weird or 67
17:19 Jordach because i don't like losing a few useful pixels
17:20 sapier I don't like too my new avatar will be 65 pixels so I demand size 65 ;-) *just kidding*
17:20 Jordach and there is *NO* loss of speed
17:20 thexyz and well, 1 pixel won't make a big difference so how about 66?
17:20 sapier and there is *NO* obvious generic benefit
17:21 Jordach sapier, i use a 8x8 Sam II face, it would just look better
17:21 thexyz lol guys, this channel is so wrong
17:21 sapier just because your avatar matches better thats no generic benefit ;-)
17:21 thexyz you argue about every single fucking thing
17:21 Jordach other people might want it too
17:21 sapier make a voting
17:21 sapier we don't argue we're just joking
17:22 sapier I don't care if it's 60 64 or 700 I don't have an avatar either
17:22 thexyz that's like making a change for the sake of making changes but whatever
17:22 thexyz I personally don't like avatars
17:25 Jordach thexyz, lemme go make a mock up of the BIGGEST possible avatar i can fit in
17:25 Jordach (keeping the current image padding)
17:25 thexyz the biggest possible one would be 60×60 pixels
17:25 thexyz I'm not following you
17:26 thexyz kaeza: what's your problem with attachments? getting any error?
17:28 kaeza thexyz, no error, nothing
17:28 kaeza lemme try again
17:28 thexyz did you press that "add file" button?
17:29 kaeza oh I'm derping
17:29 Jordach here's a 64px mock up (red box is to show you the effect) http://i.imgur.com/1sw0KHn.png
17:29 kaeza note to self: next time click the big button
17:30 kaeza well, not so big, but whatevs
17:30 * Jordach staples a note to kaeza's forehead
17:30 thexyz Jordach: aaaand what's your point?
17:30 Jordach thexyz, would be good
17:30 Jordach it just feels better
17:30 thexyz also please next time just use black boxes
17:30 Jordach i hate having non uniform ness
17:30 Jordach thexyz, colourblind>
17:30 thexyz instead of blurring the IPs
17:31 Jordach i smudged actually
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17:31 Jordach hello BlockMen
17:31 BlockMen hi Jordach
17:31 BlockMen how doin?
17:32 Jordach alright
17:33 * BlockMen reminds Jordach the zombie :P
17:33 Jordach i knew it
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17:33 Jordach but but but ragdoll fighting games
17:35 BlockMen if you dont feel like doin it its fine
17:35 BlockMen just thought you forgot again^^
17:36 Jordach i've just been interested in an old game i used to play; managed a brown belt
17:37 BlockMen havin a nostalgic periode?
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17:42 Jordach yeah
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17:48 kaeza reposting here: http://www.wtfpl.net/wp-content/​uploads/2012/12/wtfpl-strip.jpg
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17:51 thexyz too old
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18:18 * Jordach pokes VanessaE
18:19 * Jordach pets MinetestBot
18:20 kaeza TIL typing just 'l' in bash runs 'ls'
18:20 kaeza or may be some weird script in ubuntu, dunno
18:20 Menche lies
18:21 Menche bashrc alias?
18:21 kaeza could be
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18:22 Jordach kaeza, i just made more fixes for MinetestBot
18:22 kaeza oh also 'w' → some kind of 'ps'
18:23 kaeza Jordach, seen that
18:23 Jordach hehehe
18:24 VanessaE hi
18:25 Jordach i've out committed sfan5 on the MinetestBot repo
18:25 thexyz http://www.slideshare.net/olvemaudal/deep-c
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18:26 Calinou kaeza: it's an alias
18:26 Jordach > slideshare
18:26 Jordach you should know better than that thexyz
18:26 kaeza Calinou, I noticed
18:26 kaeza alias ll='ls -alF'; alias la='ls -A'; alias l='ls -CF'
18:26 thexyz i wat?
18:27 kaeza you wat?
18:27 VanessaE Calinou: fix your one-liner build thingy for non-portable installs.  without a 'make install' step in there, minetest will not find its files.
18:27 VanessaE (this thing: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837 )
18:28 Calinou you need to do make install now?
18:28 Calinou you need to use sudo to use it...
18:28 Jordach markveidemanis, feel free to talk for a bit
18:28 VanessaE you always had to for non-portable.
18:29 Calinou I use non-portable and don't have to use make install
18:29 VanessaE minetest expects to find its stuff in /usr/ or so
18:29 Jordach well that's /userful/ :>
18:30 VanessaE I just helped someone through it this morning, [s]he used your non-portable one and it didn't work.  I directed to use run-in-place instead, that worked.
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18:30 thexyz Calinou: you can make install to custom prefix
18:30 Calinou would it work?
18:30 Calinou <VanessaE> minetest expects to find its stuff in /usr/ or so
18:31 VanessaE Calinou: without a custom prefix, it looks in /usr or /usr/local
18:31 VanessaE (the latter seems more common)
18:32 Calinou both need sudo to be installed on :/
18:32 germa you help me
18:32 germa :)
18:32 VanessaE ah there [s]he is now :)
18:32 germa he
18:32 VanessaE he :)
18:32 germa im Italian... Andrea is male name
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18:32 germa in italy
18:33 VanessaE ah. That's exclusively a female name in the US
18:33 germa help me very much
18:33 germa no, exclusively male name in Italy... when i go out of italy i change my name :)
18:33 VanessaE heh
18:34 VanessaE anywho..
18:34 VanessaE Calinou: it's busted.  fix it. :)
18:34 Calinou hi
18:35 Calinou VanessaE: well, I still have the issue of needing sudo
18:35 Calinou err, nevermind
18:35 Calinou it's used already
18:35 VanessaE what's wrong with sudo?  that's the proper way to install a non-run-in-place build
18:36 germa install on lubuntu 13.04?
18:36 sapier1 I'm not quite sure about that vanessae isn't sudo granting root privileges?
18:36 Calinou I'm on xubuntu 13.04
18:37 VanessaE sapier1: yes, and NON-run-in-place belongs in /usr, which is root-write-only
18:37 Calinou if I just add make install after make -j2 will that work?
18:37 VanessaE only if you set your install prefix to somewhere the user can write to.
18:37 sapier1 so we should fix the non run in place build so support running without root privileges which is quite silly
18:38 VanessaE sapier1: you don't need root to run it.
18:38 VanessaE only to install.
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18:38 VanessaE this is the normal behavior of admin activities.
18:38 sapier1 ok missundestood thought you need sudo to run
18:38 Calinou Minetest runs for me without run in place, and without make install
18:38 VanessaE Calinou: what happens if you set the install prefix to the minetest folder itself?
18:38 Calinou that's what surprises me
18:38 Calinou how do you do that? :P
18:39 VanessaE -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=xxxxxxx
18:39 Menche I'll check, but I thought that a non-run-in-place build worked fine from the build directory.
18:39 markveidemanis HELLO!
18:39 VanessaE germa's attempt did not work... and that ain't the first time I've had to help someone fix that :)
18:40 markveidemanis 5.81.157.109:30010 its still up
18:40 Calinou so . will do as install prefix?
18:40 VanessaE you probably need to do -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=`pwd`
18:40 VanessaE I expect it'll want a full path
18:41 germa yes... becouse the script haven't DRUN_IN_PLACE but maybe is different situation ahah i don't understand nothing of computers
18:41 Calinou isn't `pwd` depreacted and instead I should use $(pwd)?
18:41 VanessaE yes, `` is, but I've been using it for years :)
18:41 VanessaE I doubt it'll ever be fully disabled.
18:42 VanessaE either way will do
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18:43 Menche i compiled it with RUN_IN_PLACE=0 and it works fine.
18:44 Menche I uninstalled the globally installed version I had
18:44 VanessaE maybe it's a matter of never specifying RUN_IN_PLACE at all (assume it's 0)?  That's what cal's script does
18:45 VanessaE idk enough about the build scripts to be sure what happens in that case.
18:53 VanessaE bbl
19:02 Menche having trouble making a linux package
19:03 Menche "make package" is basically like "make install" with the archive as the prefix
19:03 Menche the produced binary can't find anything
19:05 sapier1 why do you even eant to install minetest yourself? most time this messes up your distros package management?
19:05 Menche i'm trying to make a run-in-place package, like the win32 builds
19:06 Menche "make package" makes a .zip or .tar.gz archive of a run-in-place build
19:06 sapier1 and what's wrong? just build and copy to those places where they are in windows?
19:06 Menche It'd be better if "make package" would produce a working build
19:06 sapier1 zip on linux would be a little bit strange ;-)
19:07 Menche it uses .zip for win32 builds and .tar.gz for linux ones
19:07 sapier1 I haven't tried by now but I don't expect issues if your "make package" target just copies the required things
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19:08 sapier1 wait ... a binary build distibuted on linux wont work on other os either as the librarys most likely wont match
19:08 sapier1 other os meaning debian <-> arch <-> suse <-> redhat
19:08 thexyz LSB
19:08 Menche if i can get it to work right, the correct libraries will be bundled with the build.
19:09 sapier1 lsb won't help with abi compatibility
19:09 Menche it's just an archived run-in-place build like the official win32 ones, but for linux.
19:10 sapier1 win32 usually contains almost all required libraries on linux most libraries are provided by distribution
19:10 thexyz lsb won't?
19:10 thexyz it's like what it's designed for
19:10 sapier1 I don't think so doesn't lsb only specify locations where to find what?
19:11 thexyz well it's hard to google those days >The LSB is designed to be binary-compatible and produce a stable application binary interface (ABI) for independent software vendors.
19:12 sapier1 ok wrong it's really about abi ... still do we use only lsb libraries?
19:12 thexyz no of course not
19:12 thexyz can't we bundle them?
19:12 thexyz or compile statically
19:12 thexyz wait, I don't get the point of having universal linux binary builds
19:13 thexyz better set up https://build.opensuse.org/ and get packages for all modern popular distros
19:13 sapier1 me too we'd loose one of linux main features ... bugs are fixed once for all applications ... btw it's crazy on windows to have e.g. 10 qt implementations used by 15 applications ... randomly chosen which one by current system/run path
19:16 thexyz suse, arch, debian, fedora, redhat, ubuntu, centos
19:16 thexyz supports many distro versions too
19:16 thexyz we should just find someone familiar with it
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19:18 PilzAdam bye
19:18 markveidemanis PilzAdam used to be nice! https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?pid=63178#p63178
19:18 markveidemanis shit missed it :P
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19:23 Jordach hey Evergreen
19:24 john_minetest Does minetest support IPv6 yet?
19:24 Jordach yes
19:24 john_minetest awesome
19:24 Jordach also: /back
19:24 Menche my silly ISP doesn't though :(
19:24 Menche at least, they didn't give me an IPv6 address
19:26 Evergreen Jordach, you have earned the achievement of being my personal welcoming committee
19:27 thexyz markveidemanis: was it before he became a "developer" or after that?
19:28 markveidemanis idk
19:28 markveidemanis ipv6?
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19:35 sapier1 windows build using vs seems to be way more common than mingw build :-)
19:38 germa mmm how i play multiplayer? i create server in minetest and give the ip?
19:43 kaeza germa, yes, or join a public server :)
19:43 kaeza you need to forward ports if you want to host your own server
19:43 germa thank you kaeza.. but public server are far
19:44 germa open the ports?
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19:44 kaeza yep
19:44 germa i have alredy open a port... but must use 30000?
19:44 kaeza it can use any port afaik
19:44 kaeza (barring OS restrictions of course)
19:45 germa i have lubuntu
19:45 kaeza try starting a sever and give ip and port
19:46 germa yes i try but nothing
19:46 sapier1 wasn't there a bug in server port handling ?
19:46 sapier1 the fix isn't merged by now
19:46 germa we play usually mame and work good
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19:47 germa but the list of public server is on the minetest main site?
19:48 kaeza oh don't worry about it for now
19:48 kaeza just give your IP and port to your friends
19:49 germa ok don't work for now. maybe is him pc... becouse i try to connect a pubblic server and work
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19:50 Peacock for private servers on the list (just saying): http://a.dryicons.com/images/icon_sets/​stickers_icon_set/png/128x128/lock.png
19:50 sapier1 same as always if you're behind a router you need to configure it to host a multiplayer game
19:52 germa ah ok... i try
19:52 germa i look around the web for study this
19:58 germa maybe i dont have the port UDP open
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20:37 sfan5 lol http://i.imgur.com/E1Q3ZQt.jpg
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20:50 kaeza such ponyes
20:50 kaeza wow
20:57 Peacock ponies? lol
20:59 VanessaE hi
20:59 Peacock query not recognized, please restate command
21:00 VanessaE (insert random SQL SELECT and DROP commands here ;) )
21:00 kaeza Bobby Tables?
21:01 Peacock SELECT ALL FROM Sammiches WHERE ING INCLUDES 'Bacon"
21:01 VanessaE mmmm
21:02 Peacock not sure if includes is a keyword lol
21:02 Peacock does lua include shit for playing with sql databases?
21:03 sapier1 no it doesn't
21:03 Peacock should, give newbs something more to learn
21:04 Peacock and might decrease dependence on text files and serialization
21:04 Peacock i think in php you have 2 or 3 simple commands, connect, select db and query if i remember correctly
21:04 kaeza Peacock, there's always external libs :)
21:04 kaeza or FFI
21:05 Peacock speaking of which, if i install different lua packages from synaptic, those libs are accessible from lua?
21:05 kaeza yep
21:06 Peacock hm wait
21:06 Peacock plain lua is builtin with minetest, luajit is systemwide
21:06 kaeza assuming they are installed in any dir in LUA_PATH
21:06 Peacock do plain lua packages work with jit?
21:06 kaeza should; jit is a drop-in replacement for 5.1/5.2
21:06 Peacock let's assume the average user and I install from synaptic and have no clue where lua path is :P
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21:07 kaeza lua -e 'print(package.path)'
21:07 Peacock would synpatic place it in the right path on it's own?
21:08 sdzen hey there minetesters
21:08 Peacock (ive lost my taste for complicated since switching away from arch) :P
21:08 sdzen what have I missed?
21:08 kaeza I think so, you
21:08 kaeza hey sdzen
21:08 kaeza s/you/yes/
21:10 Peacock sdzen, how is the conquest of Persia progressing?
21:10 sapier1 you could load that package yes ... obviously the sql backend is not for ppl that have security concerns
21:11 Peacock lol security concerns, talking about connecting to localhost db's
21:11 sapier1 sql is not limited to localhost
21:11 sdzen badly, I ran into a door.
21:12 Peacock you can't block access and  tools because people *might* do something bad with them, i could do alot of damage with a sledgehammer yet they still sell them
21:13 sapier1 so you recommend opening a root shell just because it's usefull sometimes? ;-)
21:13 Peacock but if you give them the tools im pretty confident more good than bad will come out of it
21:13 Peacock were talking about datbases, not this strawman you brought up :P
21:13 sapier1 we're talking about a way to connect to arbitrary databases ;-) not a sqlite db
21:14 sapier1 but don't get me wrong I'm not against it as long as ppl are aware of the potential risks
21:15 Peacock well awareness and locking people out are two different things, i have no qualms about giving people the tools and making them aware of the risks :-)
21:16 Peacock though the point of my suggestion is to enable kids to learn about databases, text files are so passe lol
21:16 VanessaE Peacock: implement the VLIR format inside a text file.  best of both worlds :D
21:17 sapier1 that's plain different from what others might want minetest to be ;-)
21:17 sapier1 if I understand you want a playground while others might want to run a stable server ;-)
21:17 Peacock no point in implementing another format when serialization works just fine :P
21:17 Peacock though databases are a useful skill to have to aspiring devs
21:18 Peacock your premise is on the assumption some devs don't already take MT for a playground :P im just talking about options
21:18 Peacock like most things, you wouldn't *have* to use dbs
21:19 Peacock though for economic type mods, it would be useful
21:19 Peacock my nodex-type market mod is one example :P
21:20 Peacock (it tracked all the sales and purchases and adjusted the prices accordingly)
21:21 sapier1 if it's enabled by default and not configurable it's no difference if you want to use or not the potential risk is there ... if you can disable use of sql lua module nothing wrong
21:21 sapier1 but I guess if it's added once same thing is gonna happen as for curl
21:21 Peacock well i didn't suggest enabling by default, who cares if it's on or off so long as you can turn it off or on
21:21 Peacock not really familiar with the curl debate though :/
21:22 Peacock in any case, im gonna try out installing some of those lua packages i see in the repos, and at least see if that works :-)
21:23 sapier1 there's no debate curl is slowly crawling into mt taking over network communications ... if you disable you already can't use lots of current features
21:25 Peacock not really acquainted with network stuff - curl, udp, tcp, mostly acronyms to me :P
21:26 Peacock (i started out with perl/php/python) lol
21:26 Peacock a long time ago i wrote bots for really old games and thats the last time i touched on networking
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21:26 stormchaser3000 hi
21:28 john_minetest hi stormchaser3000
21:28 stormchaser3000 how y adoin
21:29 sapier1 :-) networking in general isn't an issue ... curl is a good way to do it too as it's quite common and bugfixed very well.
21:31 stormchaser3000 wtf
21:31 sapier1 It's just the way curl was added ... it's doing online communications without asking ... "you can disable curl if you don't want this to happen" was explanation for doing it this way ;-)
21:31 stormchaser3000 i am playing minetest
21:31 Peacock judging from the logs not too many people seem motivated to work on TCP connections for MT (i cant blame them lol)
21:31 stormchaser3000 clasccic
21:31 stormchaser3000 classic
21:31 sapier1 so actually this isn't a curl issue :)
21:32 stormchaser3000 and i get a wtaer source and my bucket destroyed from mining lava with a water source on top
21:34 Peacock my wife has curl issues :P she's gone through two straighteners in a year XD
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21:35 BigWilly Groooooooooooooooooog!
21:35 thegamilyfrog66 hey Khan, what's happening?
21:36 * thegamilyfrog66 will be released soon™
21:36 BigWilly not much, the prime ministers' in trouble over the duffy thing, i suggested they invade Poland as a distraction and was banned from the national post, apart from that, not much :-) you?
21:36 thegamilyfrog66 really? you got banned from a comments section? I can't see it... hahaha
21:37 BigWilly no biggie, its about as easy to get around as their paywall XD
21:37 thegamilyfrog66 not much - gotta head back to factory direct to return a refurbished wireless keyboard that didn't include a wireless receiver...
21:38 BigWilly lol
21:38 BigWilly thats like selling a car w/o the engine
21:38 thegamilyfrog66 way to go, guys
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21:38 thegamilyfrog66 I know, annoying
21:38 BigWilly its telekinetic :P
21:38 thegamilyfrog66 Hey OldCoder
21:39 BigWilly someone reboot oldcoder, he's not responding :P
21:39 sapier1 I huess he's just firewalled
21:40 OldCoder Hi
21:40 OldCoder I am here
21:40 OldCoder In a business meeting
21:40 john_minetest Woah, just wanted to reboot him :P
21:40 OldCoder Can't talk now
21:40 OldCoder john_minetest, I will be free all half the day on Saturday and Sunday
21:40 sapier1 firewalled as I said
21:40 OldCoder c u o/
21:40 OldCoder No firewall
21:40 OldCoder sapier1, Hi
21:40 OldCoder g2g
21:40 OldCoder was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
21:41 john_minetest lol, booted :D
21:41 BigWilly that wasn't very nice shadowbot
21:41 sapier1 I wouldn't have said anything if I was in a meeting ;-)
21:42 BigWilly distraction is always nice, i always needed a few drinks before thpse big UPS meetings lol
21:42 sapier1 lol :-)
21:42 BigWilly turns out one of the speakers did too XD
21:43 sapier1 shadowbot is a little bit tooo active isn't it?
21:43 BigWilly shadowbot, i command you to bang minetestbot (it should go to sleep after)
21:43 sdzen woah steinheim is still up....
21:43 sdzen I havent been on that in some time
21:44 BigWilly old servers are fun, like touring ancient ruins
21:44 sdzen hopefully it isnt ruined though....
21:44 BigWilly the best ancient ruins though are always found in parliament XD
21:44 sdzen despite the fact that I havent built on it since the last map reset
21:45 BigWilly i have to work on my prehistoric game, though the motivations' totally not there
21:46 BigWilly wait, wife just got back from the liquor store, motivation restored XD
21:46 thegamilyfrog66 aka the depanneur
21:46 BigWilly naw depanneur only sells beer and cheap wines
21:46 thegamilyfrog66 now you're talking
21:46 BigWilly liquor store (SAQ) had a special on frangelico
21:47 * thegamilyfrog66 is all about the cheap beer
21:47 BigWilly how much is beer around there?
21:47 thegamilyfrog66 too much?
21:47 BigWilly i get a sixpack of unibrow (unibroue) for 8$ after taxes
21:47 thegamilyfrog66 that's pretty sweet, though it sounds like Bert's eyebrow
21:48 thegamilyfrog66 MONOBROW
21:48 BigWilly http://www.donosborn.com/canad​a/canada195_Unibroue_beer.jpg
21:48 BigWilly first one on the left my favorite
21:48 BigWilly cant stand molson/labatt and fake imports
21:49 thegamilyfrog66 cool, I've had maudite before - pretty strong stuff
21:49 BigWilly from what my sister tells me (she's been to europe and other places) heineken doesn't taste the same here as it does there
21:49 thegamilyfrog66 I usually buy whatever's cheap in the tall cans
21:49 thegamilyfrog66 at the bar, don't usually drink at home
21:49 BigWilly yeah they have some pretty strong shit, though Blonde is 4.9% and doesn't have much of an aftertaste
21:49 thegamilyfrog66 though I like Stella, if I'm feeling fancy
21:50 thegamilyfrog66 right on
21:50 BigWilly i tried ordering a stella, it surrendered before i could drink it though :(
21:50 thegamilyfrog66 "surrendered"?
21:50 BigWilly french beer :P
21:51 BigWilly oh its not french
21:51 BigWilly its belgian lol
21:51 thegamilyfrog66 ahh, I get it now
21:52 BigWilly well if you're feeling fancy, you go for microbrew rather than brand name beers
21:52 thegamilyfrog66 I haven't read any political pundit blogs today - has Duffy been thrown under the bus by con diehards yet?
21:52 BigWilly a mike's frozen pizza might taste better and cost more than a mccain, but it's still frozen pizza :P
21:53 BigWilly naw actually duffy's fighting back and making harpo look bad
21:53 BigWilly this may be harpers' waterloo
21:53 ShadowNinja BigWilly: Re: Lua SQL. I have used luasql.sqlite3 successfully.
21:54 BigWilly shadow with luajit + a system package? if so, sweet :-)
21:54 thegamilyfrog66 I'm just wondering what the supporters/pundits are saying, since up until a couple days ago, they were like, stop picking on Duffy
21:54 BigWilly depends which paper you read :P i read all of them
21:54 thegamilyfrog66 Okay, how about the sun?
21:54 BigWilly and news from all over the world, i don't sleep much :P
21:54 ShadowNinja BigWilly: IIRC I cloned it from git and compiled it manually, but sure, if your distro has it.
21:55 BigWilly shadow that's encouraging, i'll definately give it a shot
21:55 BigWilly grog: the toronto sun?
21:55 BigWilly or sun news?
21:55 BigWilly with ezra "youregonnalovemyballs" levant?
21:55 thegamilyfrog66 It's all the same, really
21:55 thegamilyfrog66 bahaha
21:55 ShadowNinja I used it for a proof-of-concept Lua SQLite rolllback.
21:56 VanessaE bbl
21:56 BigWilly well no, toronto sun is totally left wing, sun news is totally right wing
21:56 BigWilly dyou work with zat on that, or was it a seperate project?
21:57 zat wat
21:57 BigWilly though i have to give ezra points, he totally pwned david suzuki
21:57 BigWilly david suzuki "people should consume less" ... guy homes several homes totally > 10 million in value lol
21:57 BigWilly *owns several homes
21:58 BlockMen gd night everyone
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21:59 BigWilly shadow is there a d/l somewhere with install instructions i can reproduce?
22:00 ShadowNinja BigWilly: https://github.com/LuaDist/luasql
22:01 BigWilly Dled
22:03 BigWilly hm, #960 not pulled yet :(
22:04 BigWilly about #960, is there a param to disable/enable the sun/moon, i know it's disabled automatically, but example, for prehistoric game, i'd wanna set the sky a greenish tint while keeping the sun and moon
22:06 BigWilly Ooo (toronto sun) "U.S. spies may have targeted Merkel’s cellphone"
22:07 ShadowNinja BigWilly: No, it disables the entire sky if you set it manually.
22:07 ShadowNinja (/join #minetest-dev?)
22:07 BigWilly shadow I guess a seperate set_sattelites() function would be better
22:07 BigWilly im not much use in dev :P i can give ideas, not code
22:08 BigWilly and i bet half the people wouldn't be happy to see me there :P lol
22:10 BigWilly but i could comment on the pull, that would be better
22:18 john_minetest cya
22:33 zat Meanwhile at Chuck Norris house: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-a​k-prn1/996879_10201779504024719_1269485430_n.jpg
22:35 BigWilly anyone seen the The Wall know if it's any good?
22:37 BigWilly either that or Only God Forgives
22:39 BigWilly brb
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23:07 * Peacock orders hookers and blow
23:07 Peacock should liven up the place
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23:09 ShadowNinja Peacock: No need for that.
23:09 Peacock you already called for hookers?
23:09 OldCoder ShadowNinja, Hi! Thanks for PM earlier. I understood what had happened; was simply in a meeting
23:11 ShadowNinja Peacock: Keep the channel family-friendly.
23:11 Peacock if there were anything going on, i would :P
23:13 Peacock seems dead is the new normal around here lol
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23:31 * Peacock starts a bonfire
23:31 * us|gb brings kerosene
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23:33 Peacock good idea :P we can burn the channel down, take the insurance money and start up again somewhere else XD
23:35 us|pigb Is this channel insured?
23:35 Peacock probably not, you need valuables for the insurance company to take you seriously XD
23:35 us|pigb Hmm. Yeah, that makes sense.
23:36 Peacock and this place has been about as active as the forums lately
23:36 Peacock thank god for offtopic convos lol
23:37 us|pigb (By the way, the odd name changes are because of a different channel. It'd be nice to only change my name there, but I that takes more effort.)
23:37 Peacock well IRC is ancient technology, before minetest i was surprised anyone still used it
23:37 Peacock i guess it's still big in europe and other parts of the world lol
23:38 us|pigb I like IRC, I'm not sure what could possibly replace it. Old isn't necessarily outdated.
23:39 Peacock well, last time i used IRC was over fifteen years ago, so yeah, seems ancient to me lol
23:39 us|pigb Maybe a couple of things could be cleaned up, but you can say that about the web too. Actually, the web is in major need of cleaning.
23:39 Peacock around here people moved on to visual chat and IMs and groupware a long time ago
23:39 Peacock cleaning? the web couldn't be more generic these days
23:40 Peacock where you used to have fansites, you now have wikis
23:40 us|pigb Code-wise. HTML is a mess.
23:40 Peacock HTML used to be simple before CSS and JS :P
23:40 us|pigb Visual chat is overrated. I haven't use IMs or groupware, but they might be okay.
23:40 Peacock im old enough though to remember when VRML was hailed as the next big thing :P
23:41 us|pigb I would like a web without JavaScript better, but that's not even what I was talking about.
23:41 us|pigb I actually installed NoScript recently.
23:41 us|pigb It makes Google much less annoying.
23:42 Peacock meh, it also makes most sites unusable unless you start whitelisting everything you wanna see, which defeats the purpose
23:43 us|pigb Even before I was done with JavaScript, I thought it was overused. Some people can't run JavaScript for one reason or another. There should always be a fallback.
23:43 Peacock railing against google is also entertaining since i remember when geeks hailed it as the next best thing rather than the evil established companies, now google is the evil established company, which gives some insight into geek reasoning lol
23:44 Peacock geeks will rail against anything that's too successful unless they're the ones running it lol
23:45 us|pigb I don't like the way Google uses or offers JavaScript, but I still think there's some good in them.
23:45 Peacock even zuckerbergs' a hypocrite - doesn't believe in privacy, yet he bought up all the properties around his house so he could have some privacy lol
23:46 us|pigb I think Google does a lot of good in some areas.
23:46 us|pigb Just ... they aren't perfect.
23:46 Peacock meh, geeks are good for technical things, but i dont put much stock in their political or social stances lol
23:46 us|pigb THanks ...
23:46 Peacock well of course google isn't perfect, they need to earn profit, and you cant do that offering purely free services
23:47 us|pigb You can. But that's not even what I mean.
23:47 us|pigb I just want them to clean up their JavaScript and take out the annoying bits.
23:48 Peacock well it's true :P there are very few renaissance men around, you can be good with social things, or technical things, or political things, but rarely all the same time, problem is people mistake strength in one area as strength in all areas.... thats how you get technocratic dictatorships lol
23:48 Peacock communism though social policy could translate into a workable economic policy, look how that turned out
23:49 us|pigb Fair enough.
23:49 Peacock conversely, capitalist plutocrats have no clue what to do about the disadvantaged
23:50 us|pigb Any extreme system is going to be a problem. You need to find a middle ground.
23:50 Peacock extremism is the bane of our age lol
23:51 Peacock centrism and balance is the way to go
23:54 Peacock even though that gives boring politics lol
23:55 us|pigb Boring politics are a good thing. We can focus on other things.
23:55 Evergreen ^ true
23:57 Peacock thats why i like proportional rep, it mostly leads to coalition governments
23:57 Peacock compromise instead of idealism
23:57 Peacock the average citizen has to compromise alot more than he gets to stick to his ideals in life lol
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