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00:00 VanessaE surely default grass/leaves/etc instead of the seasons-specific ones
00:01 VanessaE you'd have to write a small mod whose only job is to alias them back to something more appropriate
00:02 PilzAdam which one, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2314 or https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=666 ?
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00:13 aldobr hi all
00:13 VanessaE hi
00:15 aldobr i need help from a python programmer with more patience than me
00:32 NekoGloop Was gonna say pilz but then I read the last part
00:32 PilzAdam you are right, I dont know python
00:33 NekoGloop I thought you coded your map mod
00:33 PilzAdam yes?
00:34 NekoGloop aaaand that has python aspects?
00:34 PilzAdam thats minetestmapper.py
00:34 Megaf PilzAdam, Im not sure, the one from here https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-mods
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00:36 Megaf so, the second one
00:36 aldobr my plugin is done, but i cant figure out minetest and sproxel coordinate systems
00:36 aldobr everytime i try, i get mad
00:36 PilzAdam Megaf, what VanessaE said should work
00:41 Megaf ok, thanks
00:42 PilzAdam bye
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01:00 dafull97 Hey guys
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01:29 zat is there a list of, or can someone name a few, mods that are known to be cpu intensive.
01:31 paramat all of mine haha
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01:32 Peacock greetings little people
01:32 Peacock :P
01:33 Peacock happy Battle of Agincourt day
01:37 thegamilyfrog66 October 5, 1991 – The first official version of the Linux kernel, version 0.02, is released.
01:45 Megaf folks, is there any good crafting guide mod that doesn't require any dependencies?
02:09 VanessaE night all.
02:09 thegamilyfrog66 Get to bed!
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02:25 stormchaser3000 hi
02:25 stormchaser3000 i have made it on to irc wooooooooooo     hoooooooooooo
02:26 stormchaser3000 well hi
02:26 stormchaser3000 is anyone on this irc chanel
02:28 stormchaser3000 woah
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02:30 ShadowNinja stormchaser3000: Only about 100.
02:31 stormchaser3000 lol
02:31 stormchaser3000 ih shadow ninja i am ndjdjksisksk =/ nd
02:31 ShadowNinja stormchaser3000: But they aren't all always active.
02:31 stormchaser3000 lol i know
02:31 ShadowNinja Oh, ok.
02:31 stormchaser3000 lol oops i meant/ nd
02:31 ShadowNinja Why the nick change?
02:32 stormchaser3000 it is easier to use this nick becaseu people can read it lol
02:32 stormchaser3000 unlike ndjdjksisskk
02:32 stormchaser3000 brb
02:32 stormchaser3000 my mom is home
02:33 stormchaser3000 oh and i have a skin i want you to put on for me on your server check the forums in a sec
02:36 stormchaser3000 i am back
02:36 stormchaser3000 shadow are you on
02:36 stormchaser3000 shadow ninja?
02:37 stormchaser3000 are you there
02:37 UniversalBuilder storm chaser
02:37 stormchaser3000 hi
02:37 stormchaser3000 i am ndjdjksisksk
02:37 UniversalBuilder are you ndndj>
02:37 UniversalBuilder t?
02:37 stormchaser3000 lol
02:37 stormchaser3000 sa i said above
02:37 UniversalBuilder what dos your house look like?
02:37 stormchaser3000 my house on landrush?
02:37 stormchaser3000 not much different
02:37 stormchaser3000 lol
02:38 stormchaser3000 i never got wood
02:38 stormchaser3000 but i was going to
02:38 stormchaser3000 :(
02:38 UniversalBuilder what is it mad eout of?
02:38 stormchaser3000 ?
02:38 UniversalBuilder ok, just tsting you
02:38 stormchaser3000 lol
02:38 UniversalBuilder thought u were an imposter
02:39 stormchaser3000 lol
02:39 stormchaser3000 i am no an imposter
02:39 stormchaser3000 i am the guy that helped you out when you first came on the server
02:39 stormchaser3000 lol
02:39 UniversalBuilder Yep :-)
02:40 stormchaser3000 ok see you on that serrver
02:44 ShadowNinja stormchaser3000: Use my full nick with no spaces to get my attention.
02:44 stormchaser3000 ok
02:45 stormchaser3000 i have a skin for you to put on your server
02:45 stormchaser3000 i will post it in a while
02:46 ShadowNinja Ok, fine.
02:47 stormchaser3000 fine what?
02:48 ShadowNinja Fine, I will add it later.
02:58 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gs-lZoenx4
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03:21 paramat paragenv7 now has its own thread, some new screenshots https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7366
03:22 NekoGloop Woah.
03:23 NekoGloop Oh, wait, paramat. That's nothing :P
03:23 paramat heh :)
03:24 NekoGloop Needs moar several thousand block tall structures
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03:27 paramat lol
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03:30 NekoGloop Meanwhile I need to actually accomplish something with glooptest.
03:30 NekoGloop but fuck that
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03:39 zsoltisawesome Hi all
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03:44 zsoltisawesome Irc is just flat dead atm
03:47 NekoGloop It's because we're boring as fuck
03:48 zsoltisawesome Lol
03:48 zsoltisawesome What's glooptest
03:49 NekoGloop my mod
03:49 zsoltisawesome What's it do?
03:49 NekoGloop https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest
03:49 NekoGloop adds ores and a couple new tools
03:50 NekoGloop and a fancy table
03:50 zsoltisawesome Cool
03:50 NekoGloop and treasure chests
03:50 NekoGloop Which according to PilzFucktard, cause the worldgen to lag
03:50 NekoGloop I honestly don't get that on my machine
03:50 zsoltisawesome Lol
03:54 Megaf I have no idea how to use this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7002
03:55 NekoGloop eeek
03:55 NekoGloop wierd textures
03:55 NekoGloop that look like shit next to everything else in the fucking game
03:55 NekoGloop burn it
03:55 NekoGloop BURN THE WITCH
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03:58 hoodedice So...
04:00 NekoGloop so your cloak failed
04:02 us_0gb THat is amusing.
04:05 hoodedice mine?
04:06 hoodedice Is that because of realname?
04:11 us_0gb * hoodedice (5c6384be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.99.132.190) has joined #minetest
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04:11 us_0gb was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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04:11 us_0gb Your IP address, not your name.
04:16 paramat Peacock hi, i can make a custom paragen luvmanipulator as simple as is necessary to reduce your server lag :} how about 2 biomes, but which materials and ores?
04:19 hoodedice Wow.
04:19 hoodedice And you *HAD* to leak it in IRC
04:20 hoodedice Wait. THAT IP address is the cloak
04:20 hoodedice gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.99.132.190 is now your hidden host (set by syn.)
04:22 us_0gb So that's not your IP address then?
04:22 hoodedice I saw your gen just now paramat
04:22 hoodedice No, it's not
04:23 hoodedice Nice work on that paramat
04:23 us_0gb hoodedice, also, YOU leaked that, not me. Everyone else saw it except you until I reposted.
04:23 hoodedice lol?
04:23 hoodedice lol
04:23 hoodedice ?
04:23 hoodedice w/e
04:23 hoodedice nevermind
04:23 hoodedice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_6ItxioUco
04:23 hoodedice Enjoy
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04:29 paramat thanks h
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04:33 hoodedice ..
04:34 us|0gb Sorry, technical difficulties.
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04:56 reacktor o/
04:56 reacktor By the way, whoever advised me to try FreeBSD, thank you.
04:56 us|0gb Hello!
04:56 us|0gb So it's working well for you?
04:56 reacktor Yep. Not much different from Net-.
04:57 us|0gb WHat is Net-?
04:57 reacktor NetBSD.
04:57 us|0gb Ah. I never got a working BSD system up myself.
04:57 reacktor I thought there wre more differences.
04:57 reacktor us|0gb: uh? Any BSD is usually working out of the box. The base system is.
04:59 us|0gb FreeBSD had no desktop, you had to install that yourself, and PC-BSD wouldn't even install.
04:59 us|0gb No worries though.
04:59 reacktor Desktop is installed from ports/packages.
05:00 us|0gb Yeah, but before even learning the commands, you have to jump right in and use commands? That's not for me. I understand there are advantages for some use cases, but not my use case.
05:00 reacktor If they had desktop in the base, the OS would be called Debian.
05:02 reacktor And would be as inflexible.
05:02 us|0gb Inflexible in what way?
05:02 reacktor You would have to deinstall a shitload of bloat packages to get the OS slim.
05:02 reacktor Because you never know what the end user wants.
05:03 us|0gb True enough. Like I said, I understand some use cases are better off with no desktop.
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05:03 reacktor What desktop is suitable for a housewife is not by far suitable for a scientist.
05:03 us|0gb Though no desktop at all is less friendly to newcomers.
05:03 us|0gb Not that everyone is a newcomer.
05:03 reacktor It's not. Newcomers should first reac the manual eh.
05:03 reacktor s/reac/read/
05:04 reacktor That's why proper documentation is good to have.
05:05 us|0gb I learn by doing. While I do read manuals when I want to learn, I first try something out.
05:05 reacktor In fact, installing desktop is done in two easy steps: compiling X and compiling the DE.
05:05 us|0gb With no desktop, I have to learn it all right away before starting. Or a chunk of it, anyway.
05:05 us|0gb Compiling. Ha. Asking newbies to compile.
05:06 reacktor Meh. Trying before understanding is a sure way to mess things up.
05:06 reacktor And compiling is automated.
05:06 us|0gb Messing up is part of how you learn. Or is a part of how I learn, anyway.
05:08 reacktor The build environment will set all variables for you. You only have to type in two-three commands. The rest will be taken care of and you can do something else meanwhile.
05:10 reacktor But why mess up if you can read first and make it smooth sailing?
05:10 us|0gb And after you install the new system, where are you going to find these commands? You can't exactly pull up a web browser and look for them until after you've entered them.
05:11 reacktor That's why you need to read _before_ you do it.
05:11 us|0gb BSD is awesome. BUt it isn't for everyone.
05:11 reacktor In fact, any OS expects users to read the manual.
05:11 us|0gb How are you supposed to know before that you'll even need them?
05:11 reacktor Even Debian.
05:11 reacktor us|0gb: and that's why you especially need to read it.
05:11 reacktor Because else you never know what happens.
05:13 reacktor Probably the only OS that doesn't is Windows. And it's already found its niche among people who don't ever want to learn.
05:14 us|0gb Many popular GNU/Linux distributions also run fine out of the box, but also have a graphical environment and browser to look up how to set up anything that isn't already.
05:14 reacktor Ha.
05:14 reacktor They do usually come with a lot of bloated programs.
05:14 reacktor Which you have to uninstall.
05:14 us|0gb BSD is great, but not everone wants to or has time to read manuals.
05:14 reacktor And risk getting a unusable OS after reboot.
05:15 us|0gb Less bloated than Windows, but yes, you end up with things you don't want. That's the trade-off. Which is why bare-bones-by-default systems are great for some people.
05:16 hoodedice bloated?
05:16 reacktor A friend of mine installed Ubuntu. Its GUI is so unreliable it died right after he updated it.
05:16 hoodedice lol
05:16 reacktor Yes. Bloated.
05:16 hoodedice They lack many of the more useful progs
05:16 us|0gb I think BSD is great. OpenBSD is said to be the most secure system available. I just don't want to use it myself.
05:16 reacktor hoodedice: yes, bloated and useless
05:16 hoodedice DEs might be. The progs are useful
05:16 hoodedice useless?
05:16 hoodedice *fanboys*
05:16 reacktor Useless.
05:17 reacktor Who wants GEANY anyway?
05:17 * hoodedice leaves
05:17 reacktor Or that... GNOME-MPLAYER.
05:17 reacktor They're castrated.
05:17 * us|0gb sees hoodedice lurking around the corner
05:18 hoodedice *Fox: I did it !! I jumped over the dog!!!
05:18 hoodedice (What does the fox say?)
05:18 reacktor Fawkes?
05:19 us|0gb Hmm. I opened the command line, but now I forgot what I wanted from it ...
05:19 us|0gb Oh well. If it's imortant, it'll come to me.
05:19 us|0gb *important
05:20 reacktor Pwned. You probably have to stroll trough overcomplicated menus in order to open a terminal. That's why you forget it.
05:20 hoodedice (Ctrl+I)
05:20 hoodedice (In Xubuntu, bottom bar)
05:21 us|0gb No, I forgot because I opened it about 30 minutes ago and got distracted typing on IRC.
05:21 reacktor Oh. Even more pwned.
05:21 us|0gb How so?
05:22 us|0gb I try not to keep people waiting for a response.
05:22 hoodedice Me too.
05:24 reacktor I don't.
05:24 reacktor That's why I prefer mail over IRC nowadays.
05:24 reacktor -_-
05:24 reacktor Speaking of which. Why don't Minetest have mailing lists?
05:25 us|0gb Because too much is said to be worth wading through all that mail.
05:25 hoodedice lol
05:25 us|0gb I mean, look at how much has been said in the last hour.
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05:25 us|0gb That's a lot of emails.
05:26 reacktor True that. But that's the point. It wouldn't be said if we were writing to each other instead.
05:26 reacktor Mail has higher SNR than IRC.
05:26 us|0gb That would be less fun and more business-like.
05:26 hoodedice This isn't Linux
05:26 reacktor And IRC has nigher SNR than... say, instant messaging.
05:26 hoodedice This is Minetest
05:26 hoodedice It's a game
05:26 hoodedice Not a kernel
05:27 reacktor Still. Not everyone likes having to open a web browser to write to somewhere.
05:27 * us|0gb gets to work building a Minetest kernel so he can build an operating system around the game
05:27 reacktor And not everyone likes to remember yet another password.
05:28 hoodedice (Still. Not everyone likes having to open a web browser to write to somewhere.)
05:28 hoodedice (Open XChat)
05:28 arsdragonfly Minetest in minetest
05:28 us|0gb reacktor, I email through a browser and IRC through a client (assuming I can use "IRC" as a verb). So not opening a browser, for me, would mean the option that isn't email.
05:28 reacktor Lame.
05:29 us|0gb I tried to set up my mail client. Even with a manual, I failed.
05:29 reacktor Most OS usually have built-in mail functionality.
05:29 hoodedice Like Thunderbird of something
05:29 hoodedice *or
05:29 us|0gb I tried setting up that built-in mail functionality. I failed.
05:29 reacktor Not IRC or web browser. They come in packages.
05:29 reacktor I'm not talking about third-party mail clients.
05:30 reacktor Most UNIX have perfectly working built-in mail.
05:30 us|0gb Hmm. I think this is pre-installed third party. I don't even know where to find a system email system and I'm not convinced setting that up would be any easier.
05:30 reacktor You just need to hook it up to your web mailbox.
05:31 us|0gb That's the part I failed to do.
05:31 us|0gb I couldn't get it to connect.
05:31 reacktor Because you tried to do it with that mozilla program.
05:31 us|0gb No, I did not.
05:31 reacktor You need to read your OS's manual on how to set up system mail, that's it.
05:31 us|0gb I didn't use Thunderbird.
05:32 reacktor Oh?
05:32 us|0gb I tried reading the manual, and still failed to set it up.
05:32 reacktor Then there is no pleasing you!
05:32 us|0gb I fail to see how me failing is supposed to please me.
05:33 reacktor Error.
05:33 us|0gb Okay ... this is the oddest thing. I opened the mail client again, and now it works without any further trying from me.
05:34 us|0gb Well, I guess no more Gmail ads then.
05:35 reacktor And what's the big problem with ads? You can block them anytime with proper software.
05:35 us|0gb Why is Bing sending me emails about Football? Why should I care about Bing or football?
05:35 reacktor Some sites are dickheads for detecting it and asking you to disable it.
05:35 hoodedice ...
05:36 us|0gb I don't really mind ads, it was just an observation.
05:36 us|0gb The main thing I'll avoid is the stupid Google redirects.
05:36 reacktor Oh.
05:36 reacktor These... "please wait until you be redirected".
05:36 reacktor Lame.
05:36 us|0gb Google formats my email with redirects, presumably so they can tell which links in my email I click.
05:36 reacktor Why not just do it right away without that "please wait" thing?
05:37 hoodedice ?
05:37 hoodedice Do they do that? Never noticed...
05:37 reacktor Oh these. You confused me.
05:37 reacktor us|0gb: that's called "click tracking", not redirects.
05:37 us|0gb Actually, it does it seamlessly now without that message, unless youhave your browser set to not automatically redirect, as I do, to prevent unknown redirects.
05:38 reacktor Google would know anyway: Firefox tells them what pages you visit.
05:38 us|0gb It tracks the click, but also redirects to the intended target.
05:38 us|0gb It's a 302 redirect, or something.
05:39 us|0gb I don't are if they track me. I do care if they point the link at the incorrect page then redirect to the correct one.
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05:47 hoodedice Any punks in here?
05:51 reacktor Pukes?
05:54 hoodedice -.-
05:55 reacktor By the way. Where'd the FreeBSD package maintainer of Minetest go?
05:55 reacktor The package seems outdated.
05:56 us|0gb The Debian/*buntu/Trisquel/Mint package is also outdated.
05:56 reacktor Yep.
05:57 hoodedice 0.4.7?
05:58 us|0gb I think in Debian, it's at 0.4.6, the rest I think are at 0.3.1.
05:58 hoodedice https://code.launchpad.net/~minet​estdevs/+archive/stable/+packages
05:58 hoodedice Gets 0.4.7 as stable
05:59 us|0gb I meant the one in the repositories. I use the PPA one, but it isn't what I meant.
05:59 reacktor Why not fetch the latest when building from sources?
05:59 hoodedice repos? Which?
05:59 reacktor 0.4.7 is about a year old, isn't it?
05:59 us|0gb No, I haven't been gone that long.
05:59 reacktor I mean, source packages, at least here, fetch 0.4.7.
06:00 us|0gb It was here before I left a few months ago.
06:00 us|0gb I don't know anything about source packages.
06:00 hoodedice 0.4.7 is the last stable.
06:00 hoodedice Git has some new features
06:00 hoodedice (And is awesomer)
06:02 reacktor So. Is there a reliable way to fetch the repo from some fixed tine point?
06:02 reacktor s/tine/time/
06:02 hoodedice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53RdNYwImYc : Cleanest live performance I've ever seen
06:03 reacktor ?
06:03 hoodedice Most bands suck at live events
06:04 hoodedice This is THE only live performance where the song still retains its details
06:14 * hoodedice killed the IRC
06:17 us|0gb reacktor, you can browse through past versions of the repo, yes.
06:17 us|0gb You'd need the commit ID to reliably download from a particular point in time, but that can be found.
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06:36 xiong I guess it's time for me to check my understanding again, VanessaE. I have a network containing a mese sorting tube with one branch marked for granite and other items; and a couple other branches "on" but free -- unmarked. My understanding was that the granite would always take the marked junction in preference to any one free. No?
06:37 xiong When the granite goes past this junction, as it has done at least a couple dozen times now, it bangs around a lot of places where it's allowed, hits a number of spots where it's forbidden to continue, and eventually sails past the marked branch yet again. What can be the cause?
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06:48 reacktor us|0gb: so why not use a certain commit ID for packages?
06:48 reacktor Why stick to 0.4.7?
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06:51 us|0gb 0.4.7 is stable, but most of the commits IDs reference unstable versions.
06:51 xiong Also, VanessaE, you said pipeworks does no look-ahead; the item decides which way to go based only on the junction, not on junctions further beyond. But then, why do I see the granite bouncing from a junction that would allow it to go straight ahead? It's as if it knows it will eventually be sent back.
07:00 xiong I'd just like to know how to tell the difference between a bug I should try to reproduce and report or my failure to set up properly, which I should avoid and correct.
07:00 xiong Now it seems the granite has vanished altogether.
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07:05 * GNADev|zRokh thinks the fox says " Microsoft Sucks "
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07:07 xiong I'm starting to think two things: One, that I should never alter the settings of a pipeworks system while it contains items, or they may be lost; which argues against non-locality; and two, that any given pipe should not be made to carry items in opposing directions -- that no item should meet the same junction from more than one direction.
07:07 reacktor GNADev|zRokh: the fox is Cpt. Obvious?
07:07 GNADev|zRokh i think so
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07:22 nore Is there any dev wiki moderator here?
07:28 GNADev|zRokh idk... why, nore?
07:29 nore page griefing
07:29 GNADev|zRokh where?
07:30 reacktor Are there glass-pane-like blocks in any mod?
07:31 Calinou reacktor: xpanes
07:31 us|0gb Like, flat?
07:31 reacktor Also, is there thin wall like Minecraft "cobblestone wall"?
07:31 Calinou no
07:31 us|0gb YEah, I think Vanessa has something in homedecor like that as well.
07:31 Calinou I tried making that once and failed :'(
07:31 reacktor For the recrod, I've seen slabs appearing oriented vertically when editing with WE.
07:31 reacktor s/rod/ord/
07:31 us|0gb What's hard about thin walls?
07:32 reacktor Is that a bug or a feature?
07:32 reacktor us|0gb: nothing. I used them for one construction. I have to resort to fence blocks for the time being.
07:32 nore GNADev|zRokh, there: http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?​title=minetest.get_modnames&cu​rid=41&diff=1557&oldid=59
07:32 Calinou you can use vertical slabs and wall stairs
07:33 Calinou moreblocks
07:33 Calinou not that pretty, but works
07:34 GNADev|zRokh lol :D
07:34 GNADev|zRokh Calinou, fix it, plz :D
07:34 us|0gb reacktor, Calinou said Calinou  tried, and failed, to make them.
07:35 reacktor Calinou: vertical slabs are not in the middle of the block. I could try them, though.
07:35 reacktor So, are vertical slabs in moreblocks?
07:36 reacktor Now come I've seen them without moreblocks?
07:36 reacktor And is it safe to use them?
07:36 reacktor I mean, compatibility-wise.
07:36 * GNADev|zRokh is going to play D-Pad Hero 2
07:36 Calinou they are not in the middle yes
07:36 Calinou they still look wall-y :p
07:37 Calinou reacktor: screwdriver can rotate the vanilla slabs/stairs I think
07:37 Calinou moreblocks has panels, microblocks and "alternate stairs" though
07:38 us|0gb Not the slabs, at least not in the stable version.
07:38 Calinou oh, only the sairs
07:38 Calinou stairs
07:40 reacktor Calinou: oh, that's what it's for!
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07:41 Calinou it rotates facedir nodes
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08:00 CraigyDavi hello
08:00 jin_xi hi CraigyDavi
08:01 us|0gb Hello!
08:03 CraigyDavi Anyone know what the problem is. I edited some player files to put thier inventory to empty. Now the world or server does not load. It stops at loaded mod and does not start [Action:Main] MINETEST.
08:03 reacktor Hmm.
08:04 reacktor Is it possible to turn off one-click block destruction?
08:04 reacktor It conflicts with WE's //p set
08:05 CraigyDavi Should I delete the player files and see if that helps?
08:07 Calinou CraigyDavi: move them away
08:12 CraigyDavi Calinou: THANK YOU!
08:13 Calinou it works? or did I break everything? :p
08:13 CraigyDavi It works!
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08:16 Calinou ^_^
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08:33 Dan_D Hello, there, I have a modding problem. When using code to add an item to a detached inventory, it seems to add it but not visually, so you can't interact with it by removing the item.
08:34 Dan_D (I am making an auto-miner)
08:35 Dan_D I have another idea too, but it may not work.
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09:08 Dan_D What would I put after local minehead_pos =   to get the coordinates of the node?
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09:20 jin_xi Dan_D: pastebin your code for some context
09:22 Dan_D I have completely re-started I am afraid. The new code seems to work so far...
09:23 Dan_D How do I get an abm to run a certain function, called mine_down
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09:28 Dan_D Never mind
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09:49 sfan5 hi everyone
09:50 nore hi sfan5
09:51 nore sfan5, should we add NPCs for mg?
09:51 sfan5 yes
09:51 sfan5 but I am not good at texturing and not good at modelling
09:51 nore could you help a bit for the code?
09:52 sfan5 sure
09:52 nore cause I have no idea of what I should do
09:52 nore and for models, I reckon Jordach could help us...
09:53 nore btw, are you moderator on the dev wiki?
09:54 sfan5 no
09:54 nore (there has been some page griefing)
10:01 thexyz nore: fixed
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10:38 Dan_D If I remember right, there is a way of defining new biomes in MGV7?
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11:00 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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11:28 IceCraft hi
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12:01 VanessaE hi all
12:01 VanessaE xiong: I don't know why it was doing that (passing-up of legit destinations) on your pipeworks install.
12:02 VanessaE the only bug I notice, to that end, is some minor unpredictability when an item hits a T junction.
12:02 VanessaE nore: care to comment?
12:03 nore that? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/946
12:04 nore that? https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/issues/52
12:04 nore sorry, I thought I had copied the link
12:05 nore VanessaE, the mese tube bug?
12:06 VanessaE nore: well that too, but I meant this:
12:06 VanessaE [10-06 02:41] <xiong> I guess it's time for me to check my understanding again, VanessaE. I have a network containing a mese sorting tube with one branch marked for granite and other items; and a couple other branches "on" but free -- unmarked. My understanding was that the granite would always take the marked junction in preference to any one free. No?
12:06 VanessaE [10-06 02:43] <xiong> When the granite goes past this junction, as it has done at least a couple dozen times now, it bangs around a lot of places where it's allowed, hits a number of spots where it's forbidden to continue, and eventually sails past the marked branch yet again. What can be the cause?
12:07 nore got the mese bugn I don't  know where it could come from (server lag?)
12:07 VanessaE I can only assume he has a big problem with lag or his pipeworks is woefully outdated
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12:07 whodeadeyes So...
12:08 VanessaE so?
12:08 nore and yes, it looks like a lot of lag (the item will finally disappear and go where t should be)
12:09 VanessaE nore: this is why we need a proper feature to force entities to stop moving after a certain distance and heading.
12:09 VanessaE at leas then lag will show as items not moving at all rather than items going off in weird directions'
12:09 VanessaE client-side that is
12:09 nore that is why we need client-side prediction code
12:25 VanessaE (in the case of pipeworks, that distance would always be 1m)
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12:55 VanessaE nore: *poke*
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13:36 nore what?
13:36 nore VanessaE, what?
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13:40 VanessaE nore: [10-06 08:54] <VanessaE> if I add his mod and do something like "animated_furnace?" in pipeworks depends.txt, it should work, yes?
13:40 VanessaE he wants to redefine default furnaces to have an animated fire texture.
13:41 nore he should do that like it is done with pipeworks (clone the node, modify it and re-register)
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14:35 hoodedice onpon4 !!!
14:35 hoodedice (Not here. Damn)
14:36 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on hoodedice's head
14:36 hoodedice Not now !
14:36 hoodedice I found something shocking !
14:37 VanessaE ?
14:37 PilzAdam VanessaE, https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=113346#p113346
14:38 hoodedice lol at that
14:38 hoodedice Another drama queen
14:39 * VanessaE shrugs
14:40 VanessaE moved to the trash.
14:40 PilzAdam s/trash/hall of shame/
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14:40 NekoGloop WHAT THE HELL WAS IT
14:41 hoodedice loolololololol!!!!11111one
14:41 VanessaE neko, yet another "I'm taking my toys and going home!!!!!!!!" post
14:41 hoodedice Yeah lol
14:42 hoodedice So...
14:42 hoodedice Yeah
14:43 NekoGloop ?
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14:52 * NekoGloop pokes Jordach
14:53 * Jordach has been petting kitttens today
14:53 Jordach -t
14:53 NekoGloop I request your "nopenopenope" image
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15:33 harrison https://plus.google.com/10714145​3596010045869/posts/iYG6zBxiELX
15:33 PilzAdam dont use google product
15:33 PilzAdam +s
15:34 harrison http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/34287​6/Sir-Bob-Geldof-All-humans-will-die-before-2030
15:34 harrison guess what day of the week dec 31 2029 is
15:36 khonkhortisan http://www.reactiongifs.co​m/nope-nope-nope-octopus/ ?
15:36 PilzAdam monday
15:37 khonkhortisan Some people calculate that in their heads
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16:23 john_minetest Hello everypony
16:31 VanessaE hi
16:33 * zat jumps, away from bronys, through the window.
16:34 VanessaE ?
16:39 thexyz > stop loving what i don't
16:40 PilzAdam distro war?
16:41 thexyz no but your distro a shit
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16:56 Hunterz what mods must have installed to show unified_inventory? i heve this mod on the server, but does not show proper gui :(
16:57 Hunterz is this mod conflicted with inventory_plus ?
16:57 VanessaE unified inventory should work fine by itself
16:57 VanessaE an yes, it does
16:57 Hunterz ok thanks
16:57 fairiestoy Hey guys. I have a little question to server admins: How many problems do you have with lags and server freezes ( related to the lag issue ) ?
16:58 Hunterz freezes i have sometimes
16:59 Calinou Hunterz: server freezes? or client?
16:59 PilzAdam fairiestoy, generally you can say the more mods with dynamic stuff you have the more lag will clients have
17:00 fairiestoy PilzAdam: But what bothers me: The lag increases with time. it starts with lag of about 3.2 and ends up mostly with 8 to 15 when the server freezes
17:00 PilzAdam what mods do you have installed?
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17:01 fairiestoy Mesecons, technic i think are the most significant ones. And all dependencies. A protection mod, currency, moretrees
17:02 PilzAdam moretrees is to blame then, I guess
17:02 PilzAdam it locks up the whole server during mapgen
17:04 fairiestoy im though not sure if the moretrees generation isn't disabled atm. iirc the server admin mentioned something like that
17:04 PilzAdam are there any complex mesecons circuits?
17:05 PilzAdam for technic Im not sure, but IIRC there were some parts that are quite heavy
17:05 PilzAdam VanessaE had to disable parts of it on her server
17:06 fairiestoy okay, so its mostly a issue caused by mods? Since some members mentioned memory leaks caused by the server binary and such
17:07 Peacock does the moretrees spawn trees on gen or place saplings?
17:07 PilzAdam memory leaks should be fixed
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17:08 fairiestoy Okay, thanks for the info
17:09 Peacock in Soviet Russia, Olympics watch you! :P http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/10/06​/1621209/sorm-russia-intends-to-monito​r-all-communications-at-sochi-olympics
17:09 john_minetest thexyz: What distro is PilzAdam using?
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17:10 Peacock why not ask PilzAdam, he's here lol
17:10 STHGOM hello
17:10 Peacock howdy
17:11 us`0gb Hello!
17:11 john_minetest Peacock: Because thexyz mentioned it so he knows it. PilzAdam could have forgotten it.
17:12 Peacock how could PilzAdam forget/not know what distro he uses? *confused* lol
17:13 john_minetest Well, some people don't WANT to remember.
17:13 john_minetest Like I don't like to recall that I am using windows all the time.
17:13 Calinou PilzAdam uses Kubuntu
17:14 john_minetest while studying computer science
17:14 john_minetest Kubuntu isn't that bad. Better than ubuntu at least.
17:14 Calinou xubuntu is better :>
17:14 * Calinou gallops away
17:14 Peacock debian is better
17:14 john_minetest Archlinux is best
17:14 * Peacock gallops away
17:14 * john_minetest gallops away
17:14 Peacock lol
17:15 Calinou best pony*
17:15 john_minetest debian is nice for servers
17:15 john_minetest very stable and stuff
17:15 Peacock suddenly, 3 musketeers
17:15 Calinou debian has no proprietary firmware, makes it hard to install proprietary drivers, is old, doesn't care about desktop much
17:15 john_minetest For productive tasks it is somehow deprecated
17:15 Calinou also community is quite arrogant
17:15 Calinou their documentation is worse too, and they have less packages
17:15 Peacock im running the proprietary drivers on my computer, you're thinking of trisquel
17:15 ruskie slackware FTW
17:15 john_minetest gentoo is for the crazy ones who are bored by archlinux
17:16 ruskie since we are throwing out random distros
17:16 john_minetest slackware is too big.
17:16 Peacock what OSS community isn't arrogant to some degree? lol
17:16 ruskie john_minetest, it's too big?
17:16 nore <Calinou> debian has no proprietary firmware <- wrong: I use the non-free repository
17:16 PilzAdam .... aaaaaand there is the distro war
17:16 Calinou Peacock: they are still harder to use than in ubuntu
17:16 Calinou nore: err, I was wrong, I mean at install
17:16 john_minetest ruskie: The download is several GB
17:16 Calinou also, to finish it: their installer is worse
17:16 Calinou PilzAdam: heh
17:16 Calinou we should stop, yeah
17:16 ruskie john_minetest, your point? it lacks a network installer
17:16 Peacock ubuntu is the easiest, but they're a pain in the ass to setup under any distro because <arrogance>
17:16 Calinou it goes nowhere :|
17:16 Calinou Peacock: ubuntu community is quite nice
17:17 PilzAdam I could just mute everypony...
17:17 Peacock you ask on any forum about problems with prop. drivers and you get a debate about nouveau and the 4 freedoms instead of help lol
17:17 john_minetest ruskie: I think it is a good distro (and the oldest one) but with my network I was never able to download all the GBs of files.
17:17 Calinou not really, if you look at the ubuntu forums this rarely happens
17:17 Peacock ubuntu is the exception like i said, they got a wizard
17:17 Calinou except if there is a valid reason for it (eg. fglrx on unsupported card)
17:17 ruskie john_minetest, it needs one 2.3GB dvd iso
17:18 ruskie and that's the whole system with all packages that are available for it
17:18 john_minetest ruskie: Yeah, that was a lot for me. 500 GB was quite the maximum. Now I have a better internet connection.
17:18 john_minetest I prefer to download the core and add packages when I want them.
17:19 Peacock ubuntu was my favorite distro before the unity/gnome3 fiasco, they were quite arrogant to their users about that one
17:19 john_minetest I once installed ubuntu with automatic dualboot detection. Thrashed M$ 7 AND ubuntu
17:19 Peacock when people act like they know better than me how i should be using my computer, it reminds me too much of why i quit windows lol
17:20 us`0gb Peacock, Trisquel, gNewSense, Debian, and Mint all have installation wizards as well.
17:20 Calinou you should partition manually, ideally
17:20 Peacock talking about prop. driver wizards :P
17:20 Peacock which i doubt trisquel has
17:20 us`0gb Oh, my bad then.
17:20 us`0gb I thought you were talking about something else.
17:21 john_minetest Calinou: Ubuntu hides that. Archlinux doesn't.
17:21 Peacock which on *buntu, was also handy for uppidy wifi cards
17:21 Peacock (broadcom on laptops/netbooks ex)
17:22 Calinou it hides it by default, I don't agree with their choices here
17:23 Peacock *buntu too simple, arch too complicated lol
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17:23 Calinou heh
17:23 Peacock debian is halfway but the repos are old and devs somewhat arrogant
17:23 ruskie nothing wrong with old
17:24 Peacock my kingdom for a distro that doesn't come from an asylum lol
17:24 ruskie and it's not that old
17:24 Calinou old is less secure, and has less features, and upstream yells at you
17:24 Calinou testing is better in that regard but I heard it wasn't that stable these days
17:24 Calinou (except during a freeze)
17:24 Peacock when does upstream not yell? never had a chat with Torvalds i see :P
17:24 ruskie it's generally more stable, if it has what one needs not a prob, and I yawn at upstream
17:24 PilzAdam if old isnt bad, why do we keep coding then?
17:25 Calinou more recent software gets fixes quicker usually
17:25 ruskie I love how there are people going "I'll stop using this because nobody is doing much to it anymore" ever heard of mature codebase that doesn't need a ton of fixing anymore...
17:26 Jordach owowowowowowowow
17:26 Peacock well MT isn't old but it's got barrels of unresolved bugs right now so not sure it's the best example
17:26 Calinou git has a lot of bugfixes
17:26 Calinou ruskie: I didn't say that :)
17:27 ruskie Calinou, just general observation
17:27 PilzAdam Minetest 0.3.1 runs quite stable and doesnt need much fixing
17:27 Calinou but it lacks a ton of features
17:27 PilzAdam but as you can see in the step to 0.4, there is always room for new features
17:27 us`0gb I agree. I like 0.4.* better, but 0.3.1 seems to be in need of much less fixing.
17:27 ruskie one thing is always insisting on the latest... another thing is reasonable upgrade cycles
17:28 Peacock calinou dunno about that lol
17:28 ruskie and yeah debian has failed those reasonable upgrade cycles in the past
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17:28 PilzAdam if you write 1 line of code, then it can be an "established codebase that doesnt need fixing", but it lacks features
17:28 PilzAdam and features can only be done by constant development, because you can always add more features
17:29 * Jordach wonders if a one liner minetest mod can be done
17:29 us`0gb It can.
17:29 PilzAdam of course, Lua is able to do that
17:29 us`0gb I've done it for simple things in the past.
17:29 PilzAdam just s/\n/;/g
17:30 Peacock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/iss​ues?labels=bug&amp;page=1&amp;state=open <- last closed issue says a month ago, so i'd get the same bugs i have now from latest git
17:30 Calinou I like rolling release personally
17:30 ruskie I don't
17:31 ruskie but then I'm with slackware because of that
17:31 PilzAdam Peacock, we fix a lot of bugs that dont have issues on github
17:31 ruskie I like a stable system I don't need to maintain on a daily bassis
17:32 us`0gb Lack of need for constant maintenance is good.
17:32 ruskie as a sysadmin it's something you come to appreciate
17:33 us`0gb As a standard desktop use, I appreciate it as well, though likely to a lesser degree.
17:33 us`0gb *user
17:33 ruskie I want the core of the system to be rock solid
17:33 ruskie but stuff I run on top I can go with bleeding edge if it has something I might want
17:33 ruskie which frankly... hasn't been in a while
17:34 us`0gb Yeah. Aside from Minetest, I use fairly stable software.
17:34 Peacock not finding a ton of bugfixes in closed pulls except msvc compiling (20 days ago)
17:35 us`0gb I saw a bug fix yesterday. A small one, but a bug fix none the less.
17:35 us`0gb Or maybe it was two days ago. I forget.
17:35 Peacock newest closed pull says 5 days :/
17:35 Peacock and its a change in indexing for get_connected_players
17:36 us`0gb 0gb.us authored 12 days ago|kahrl committed a day ago
17:36 Peacock minetest or minetest_game? im looking only at the engine
17:36 us`0gb I'm looking at the engine as well. I don't bother with minetest_game any more.
17:37 Peacock ah i had the bug label on
17:37 Jordach Minetest is slowly stagnating; no actual useful pulls are merged, minetest_game appears the same as it was 10 years ago
17:37 Peacock still get_connected_players is the latest closed pull
17:37 Peacock maybe my cache is fucked up if youre getting different results lol
17:37 us`0gb Maybe.
17:38 Jordach Hint: Minetest is not a tech demo, stop preserving it as one
17:38 Peacock preserving?
17:39 us`0gb "But ... It has 'test' int the name! It must only be a test/demo, Jordach!"
17:39 us`0gb Sorry, I couldn't help it.
17:39 us`0gb *in
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17:40 john_minetest ruskie: About slackware on wikipedia ->  It was one of the earliest operating systems to be built on top of the Linux kernel and is the oldest currently being maintained.
17:40 ruskie john_minetest, yes I'm aware of that
17:40 Jordach Peacock, the core devs keep it the same, with no difference of minetest_game content between games (and i mean gameplay wise)
17:40 ruskie john_minetest, I've been using slack 1998-2004 then sourcmage and last year switched back to slackware
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17:41 Dan_D What is the problem with this?
17:41 Dan_D http://pastebin.com/JAHYJgTk
17:41 Peacock well minetest_game isn't what needs bugfixes or features :P
17:41 us`0gb Minetest_game probably IS a demo though. I haven't found anyone who seems to think otherwise, besides me from months ago.
17:41 Peacock thats up to others to make pulls towards
17:42 Dan_D There is no error, it just doesn't do anything.
17:42 Dan_D !title
17:42 MinetestBot Dan_D: [Lua] function remove_leaves (pos,oldnode) local node1 = minetest.get_node({x - Pastebin.com
17:44 Dan_D Never mind.
17:48 john_minetest ruskie: Does it use a package manager? If yes, which one? Somehow I couldn't find that on wikipedia
17:49 ruskie john_minetest, it has no dependency resolution... you have what comes with it pkgtools and then a few extras like slackpkg, sbopkg(slackbuilds) and a few others if you want them
17:49 john_minetest Hmmm... No dependency resolution makes thing more difficult.
17:50 ruskie not really
17:50 john_minetest I just do something like "sudo pacman -Syu <package>" and it updates everything and installs the package for me.
17:50 john_minetest It finds out conflicts itself
17:51 Peacock Canada regrets buying used subs from the UK: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7835094272/hB8B307D7/
17:51 john_minetest I can't imagine looking for conflicts mysself
17:51 ruskie well slackpkg can update as well... you generally won't have any issues since it will update what you have installed
17:51 john_minetest Peacock: This was on reddit 4 days ago and in papers 2 days ago
17:52 Peacock do i look like a hipster? screw reddit lol
17:52 john_minetest Peacock: I don't like that eternal flamewar called "reddit" but I know people who use it.
17:53 Peacock not terribly crazy about reddit's format tbh
17:54 Peacock why must websites be incredibly flash or incredibly basic? lol
17:54 john_minetest ruskie: So slackware does package management by only providing packages that are compatible?
17:54 ruskie john_minetest, they use the same build configs for updates as well if that's what you mean
17:55 ruskie or do you mean choices that would install same stuff from different ones? if so that's up to the SA to handle
17:55 Calinou reddit isn't insanely basic
17:55 Peacock it looks like crap lol
17:56 Peacock im old enough to remember the early yahoo website lol
17:56 Peacock and thats what it reminds me of
17:56 Calinou try RES
17:56 Calinou a browser extension, makes it better :D
17:57 Peacock its pretty sad when you need an extension to make a site look better :P i can't do that for every poorly conceived design :P
17:57 john_minetest ruskie: I think I have to read more to understand the principles of slackware
17:58 john_minetest Peacock: reddit is a mix of a forum and a usenet chat (FLAMEWAR!!!(
17:58 Peacock changing subjects, this lady proves that being obese doesn't mean being lazy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs_9s31Je7Y
17:58 ruskie john_minetest, start with slackware.com and ##slackware for that I guess
17:59 Peacock john flamewars are as old as the internet :P
17:59 Calinou except that reddit has pron
17:59 Calinou and bronies
17:59 * Calinou gallops away
18:00 ruskie reddit is the now usenet
18:00 ruskie s/now/new/
18:00 Peacock well then, when the revolution comes we'll use the reddit userlist to know who to round up lol
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18:02 Exio4 :(
18:03 HeisenbergCZE hi. i need some advice. i am trying to add the technic mod to minetest (added all the dependencies for sure) but still i get an error: ~/.minetest/mods/technic/technic/config.lua:4: attempt to call global 'settings' (a nil value)
18:03 HeisenbergCZE which i cannot solve :( does anyone know? thanks
18:03 Peacock you still missing something
18:03 us`0gb That means you're using the dev version of Technic.
18:04 Exio4 https://github.com/EXio4/IPoIRC/commit/b​7ed2e412454abb361536271a6b3b41615fa22c8
18:04 HeisenbergCZE i will take a look
18:04 * Exio4 cries
18:04 us`0gb HeisenbergCZE, try using the stable branch of Technic.
18:05 HeisenbergCZE Exio4, us`0gb thanks, it works now! :)
18:05 us`0gb Great!
18:06 Exio4 wut
18:06 Exio4 it was us`0gb, not me
18:06 Exio4 i'm here crying
18:06 HeisenbergCZE i have to read better for future
18:06 us`0gb Why are you crying?
18:08 Exio4 joke :P
18:08 Exio4 the code doesn't work and i don't know why
18:08 thexyz john_minetest: it doesn't matter which distro he uses
18:08 us`0gb Hmm. That happens to me all the time.
18:12 Exio4 ha
18:12 john_minetest Exio4: What's the problem?
18:13 john_minetest And what programming language?
18:13 OldCoder john_minetest, Hi!
18:13 john_minetest Hi OldCoder
18:13 OldCoder john_minetest, when done here, wish to help port Zegaton?
18:13 john_minetest Okay
18:13 Exio4 john_minetest: https://github.com/EXio4/IPoIRC/commit/2​a5ceabe0a8c14c7b75603908efb2468e83d611f
18:15 john_minetest Exio4: seems it reads something from some config. But I don't know that code so I'll have to look at it. Also I have to help OC now
18:16 Exio4 the commit i posted is the actual fix that i made to  https://github.com/EXio4/IPoIRC/commit/b​7ed2e412454abb361536271a6b3b41615fa22c8
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18:37 STHGOM hello
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19:06 Dan_D Is there any docs for MgV7 biome definition api? I am sure there was somewhere...
19:06 PilzAdam there isnt
19:07 Dan_D Oh
19:07 Dan_D I still thought there was an spi though
19:08 Dan_D *api
19:09 Dan_D I saw it in a thread somewhere
19:12 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/oc8C8YK
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19:15 Dan_D Pretty Damned Big Village: http://s7.postimg.org/6sjgycf​x7/screenshot_2402315380.png
19:16 NekoGloop What mod's that?
19:16 Dan_D https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7263
19:16 Dan_D !title
19:16 MinetestBot Dan_D: [Mod] Experimental mapgen [mg] (Page 1) — Modding General — Minetest Forums
19:17 Jordach <Shao_Khan> I WIN http://i.imgur.com/7Akn6Z6.jpg
19:17 Dan_D Mine has just as much, like libraries, big church, diner etc
19:18 PilzAdam Jordach, that TP is still ugly :-p
19:20 Dan_D So is there a biome api?
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19:23 Dan_D Hello?
19:24 Miner_48er hi
19:24 Dan_D Is there a biome api?
19:25 Calinou on mgv7, yes? (IIRC)
19:25 Dan_D YES!!
19:30 Dan_D What is the api?
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19:38 Niften hi
19:38 us`0gb Hello!
19:38 Niften Hey 0bg
19:38 STHGOM hello
19:39 Niften 0bg PM me, i have something tot ell you
19:46 Niften PilzAdam: I have a confession, i blamed prestortron55 for the mod use, and I don't intend on him getting hated on.
19:52 Niften pilzadam your a bitch
19:52 Niften fuck you
19:53 STHGOM ?
19:53 PilzAdam !kick Niften insulting
19:53 Niften was kicked by MinetestBot: insulting
19:54 Calinou "tot"
19:54 Calinou I read "hot" initially...
19:54 Niften joined #minetest
19:54 Niften no
19:54 Niften its not insulting
19:54 PilzAdam read the rules at http://minetest.net/IRC
19:55 Niften ok i will but did you read what i said
19:55 Niften im gonna leave but please read that before something goes overboard
19:56 PilzAdam heh, thats prestons IP
19:56 PilzAdam good try
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20:07 Peacock multiple personalities lol
20:08 us`0gb So Niften is Preston55 then?
20:08 * Peacock is in awe
20:08 Peacock really
20:08 Peacock XD
20:09 us`0gb I'm not sure I believe that, they were arguing the other day.
20:09 john_minetest woah, should have read before eating this bacon
20:09 john_minetest Raw product, cook before eat
20:09 us`0gb Oops.
20:10 john_minetest It was the cheapest bacon
20:10 thexyz those rules
20:10 thexyz > Annoying, racism or any form of derogatory term against any user or channel operator will probably get you quieted; or even banned.
20:10 Peacock ogb if  you had two handles and though people suspected they were both the same, wouldn't you argue with yourselves? :P
20:11 Peacock *thought
20:11 thexyz > Off-topic is allowed, but excessive use of it is disallowed.
20:11 us`0gb I can;t type fast enough to manage to hold up both sides of a conversation.
20:11 john_minetest Uhrg, that bacon
20:11 john_minetest I'll take the more expensive one next time
20:12 us`0gb Also, everyone recognizes my alter egos.
20:12 us`0gb john_minetest, or cook it first.
20:12 PilzAdam john_minetest, from penny? ;-)
20:13 us`0gb For a time, I was RealBadAngle. That was fun.
20:14 us0gb hello
20:14 ShadowNinja ^ Not to be confused with a spammer/flooder/whatever that used that nick.
20:14 john_minetest there was some case in some online game.
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20:15 john_minetest MERLIN and MERL1N. One was a spammer.
20:15 john_minetest Or was it Merlin and Mer1in?
20:15 john_minetest Well, something like that
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20:16 john_minetest The font made it impossible to change that
20:16 Peacock free games always attract spammers and griefers lol no one pays to pull shit like that on other games
20:16 john_minetest On the other hand...
20:16 john_minetest Free games have some people who are really loving the game
20:16 john_minetest So spammers and griefers haven't got much chance.
20:16 us^0gb What the heck ... I couldn't type ....
20:17 us^0gb Anyway, john_minetest, there's also us-0gb available.
20:17 Peacock tell that to all the people who restrict their servers one way or another lol
20:17 john_minetest Now I only need to send a fsf quit message :b
20:19 us^0gb Why does the German channel have one pound sign but the Spanish channel have two?
20:19 us^0gb #minetest-de ##minetest-es
20:19 PilzAdam because germans are cool
20:19 john_minetest Because large channels go on #
20:19 us^0gb SO are Spaniards.
20:19 us^0gb *So
20:19 john_minetest I mean... Half of minetest is german
20:20 us^0gb Ah, so more Germans than Spaniards here then.
20:20 john_minetest sfan5, PilzAdam, Jeija, sapier, casimir, echo, Hybrid dog, tobinator, padderman, meldrian, sokomine, luios, kahrl, webdesigner97, john_minetest, BlockMen, codile, jin_xi, iqualfragile, PenguinDad, Yepoleb
20:20 john_minetest Oops, now I pinged everybody
20:20 john_minetest sorry...
20:20 codehero lol :P
20:20 sfan5 ..
20:20 sfan5 :P
20:20 Yepoleb yeah, you did :D
20:20 Naked the germans are slowly invading us
20:20 codehero :D
20:20 john_minetest Didn't realize that it would ping everybody
20:20 codehero me is have german
20:20 Naked we need more spanish or latin users here
20:21 codehero half
20:21 Yepoleb hey, austrians speak german too
20:21 chlue ShadowNinja: Can we bargain for other switching station recipes for the technic mod?
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20:21 thexyz nice http://blockchain.info/address/1F​1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX
20:21 john_minetest Naked: Slowly invading? Minetest is invaded.
20:21 us^0gb Would a heating furnace be useful to anyone in Minetest? As in, not a cooking one?
20:22 Peacock and yet, no Oktoberfest mod :(
20:22 ShadowNinja chlue: I am not sure what you mean by bargain, but ou can offer alternatives. Note: Technic stuff -> #minetest-technic.
20:22 PilzAdam Naked, even the core dev team is almost half german
20:22 ShadowNinja you*
20:22 john_minetest us^0gb: You could add freezing
20:22 john_minetest When you're in snow you will freeze to death when there is no oven
20:22 us^0gb I think the engine has freezing now, though I'm not sure on that.
20:22 Naked too many germans. some of you should move out to another country
20:22 john_minetest also a nice-looking oven is nice
20:23 Naked to balance it out
20:23 Peacock Naked where else in Europe would they go?
20:23 us^0gb Oh, death freezing. Nah, I'm not into that.
20:23 Peacock better off staying in Germany :P
20:23 Naked outside of germany?
20:23 thexyz Public Note: Why do we put people who are on drugs in jail? They're sick, they're not criminals. Sick people don't get healed in prison. You see? It makes no sense.
20:23 codehero Naked> i moved out :P
20:23 Peacock most other economies seem to be tanking
20:23 Fabio hi guys! Just one question, could it be possible to convert Minetest worlds to Minecraft?
20:24 PilzAdam Naked, only insane people move away from germany if they were there once
20:24 Peacock cuz jail is cheaper than healthcare i guess
20:24 us^0gb Fabio, not at the moment.
20:24 PilzAdam Fabio, havent seen anything like that, but its possible in the other direction
20:24 thexyz so germany best country?
20:24 Fabio yes, that's what I've seen
20:24 Fabio and Minetest to Blender?
20:24 us^0gb PilzAdam, it's possible in reverse? Awesome!
20:24 Peacock in the EU, probably yeah
20:25 Fabio or other 3D soft?
20:25 PilzAdam Fabio, AFAIK only in the other direction :_/
20:25 PilzAdam *:-/
20:26 Peacock except, they could use a minimum wage
20:27 PilzAdam bye
20:27 Fabio I want to make a contest in my town where students have to design some local buldings
20:27 Fabio and I want to use all that material to recreate my town in a big 3D world
20:28 Peacock get a map and use kaezas image loader to reproduce the roads and building outlines, good start
20:28 Fabio Minetest is the best option as have the best performance for students netbooks
20:28 Peacock minetest has been pretty shitty on both my netbooks :/
20:28 Peacock weird colourful polygons on my screen
20:29 Fabio but I need a way to get all those worlds and extract models and merge them in a 3D world
20:29 Peacock ?
20:30 Peacock why not have 'em work on the same map?
20:31 Fabio because I want to make some presentations with the best models
20:31 Peacock well the map is huge, they dont need to do it all in the same area
20:31 Fabio and I want to import them to Blender or 3DMax
20:31 Peacock import minetest to blender?
20:31 Fabio yes
20:31 Peacock there's no such tool to my knowledge
20:32 Peacock i can do the opposite, and kaeza can can import images into minetest, thats about it
20:32 Fabio any way to take models outside minetest?
20:33 Peacock make models out of minetest things?
20:35 Fabio yes, let students "model" stuff in minetest and then take chunks out of that worlds, the idea is to use minetest as a creative design tool
20:35 john_minetest Wtf is that: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bgb/__530.html
20:36 sfan5 !title
20:36 MinetestBot sfan5: BGB - Einzelnorm
20:38 john_minetest there was a tool for that iirc
20:38 john_minetest I saw it somewhere
20:38 chlue Fabio: I guess directly working in Blender is out of your scope then?
20:39 Fabio yes, the idea is that students "play" with minetest while they model
20:40 john_minetest I don't know if there was really a tool for doing it. Might also have been a minecraft -> minetest exporter
20:41 Fabio I have seen various minecraft -> minetest
20:41 * sfan5 made two
20:42 Fabio but I was wondering, if we can have a tool to make invert process: minetest -> minecraft
20:42 Fabio It would be possible to use all tools associated to minecraft with minetest worlds
20:43 Fabio for example, this feature to convert minecraft worlds to gmap: http://overviewer.org/wow/#/4277/64/6091/-7/0/0
20:44 Fabio do you know of people working on this? Exporting minetest to minecraft?
20:46 john_minetest Minecraft to minetest works. Should also works the other way but I don't know if there is demand. Screenshot for mc->mt https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?pid=89535#p89535
20:50 Fabio john_minetest, do you know who made this? Can I have his e-mail?
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20:55 john_minetest Fabio: Who made what=
20:55 john_minetest ?
20:56 Fabio the minecraft -> minetest import feature
20:57 john_minetest sfan5 made this screenshot
20:57 john_minetest so I think he made it
20:57 Fabio I would like to try it and talk if there's a possibility to make it the other way
20:58 sfan5[iPod] joined #minetest
20:59 john_minetest FabioI have seen various minecraft -> minetest
20:59 john_minetest sfan5made two
20:59 john_minetest Here he is again
20:59 john_minetest Hey sfan5[iPod]
20:59 Fabio yes, I have sended him a message thru the forum, but if you have direct contact info, I'll appreciatte it
21:00 sfan5[iPod] hi john_minetest
21:00 VanessaE hi all
21:00 * VanessaE is back.  yay. :)
21:00 john_minetest He wrote something to make minetest map parts out of minecraft schematics
21:00 john_minetest Fabio: So talk to sfan5[iPod], he made that converter
21:00 Fabio hey, I didn't know he was here ;)
21:00 sfan5[iPod] ?
21:00 Fabio thanks ;)
21:00 john_minetest :D
21:01 Fabio hi sfan5[iPod]
21:01 sfan5[iPod] hi...
21:02 Fabio sorry if I'm lost but I would like to test the minecraft -> minetest conversion stuff
21:02 Fabio is it available to try it?
21:02 sfan5[iPod] sure
21:02 sfan5[iPod] search the forum
21:03 Miner_48er https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6007
21:03 Fabio great ;)
21:04 Fabio and is there any chance to make the opposite? Minetest -> Minecraft conversion?
21:05 VanessaE why would anyone want to?
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21:06 Fabio I think it would open many possibilities
21:07 VanessaE I don't think anyone here's really interested in going in that direction, but it's surely possible
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21:08 VanessaE the map format is documented and uses well-known databases to store it
21:08 VanessaE at least minetest is.
21:08 VanessaE MC is another matter.
21:08 Fabio minecraft have a lot of tools for their worlds, and having a minetest->minecraft tool, could indirectly gave minetest the access to all that tools to tranforming worlds
21:09 Fabio for example, MC can convert to Google Maps for navigation and being imported on Blender
21:10 Peacock Temple Island http://s8.postimg.org/bzrout1​h1/screenshot_2409247916.png
21:10 Fabio if exists a minetest->minecraft conversion, minetest would have those tools too
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21:15 CraigyDavi Anyone know what the proble could be here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6202466/
21:16 CraigyDavi *problem
21:17 pitriss Fabio: But how do you want to display block which is not in MC? Modding of MT makes that conversion much harder IMO.. But I may be wrong, I'm not dev at all..
21:20 john_minetest CraigyDavi: Maybe your env_meta.txt is broken
21:20 john_minetest game_time = 40053
21:20 john_minetest time_of_day = 20068
21:20 john_minetest EnvArgsEnd
21:20 john_minetest put that in env_meta.txt in the world folder
21:23 Fabio pitriss not a dev too, but I think that importing resources could make it possible
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21:24 CraigyDavi I have done that but now this happens: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6202505/
21:27 Miner_48er delete abcdefg playerfile
21:28 CraigyDavi done that and now it moves on to the next player in alphabetical order
21:28 Miner_48er linux?
21:29 CraigyDavi me? no, windows.
21:30 CraigyDavi huh?
21:30 Miner_48er ?
21:31 CraigyDavi thats odd when I remove all players if fine
21:31 CraigyDavi it's
21:32 Miner_48er likely a few corrupt files
21:32 CraigyDavi Any way I can fix this. It just happened all of a sudden.
21:49 Fabio thanks guys! see you later
21:57 zat https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak​-prn2/1186346_10151728691578264_1828577160_n.jpg
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23:00 OldCoder Whose inventory_plus should be used these days?
23:00 * OldCoder is rebuilding worlds
23:04 OldCoder Does anybody have a link to Zeg9 places mod?
23:05 OldCoder Or to Unified Inventory?
23:06 paramat lol the crevis soap opera continues
23:06 OldCoder ?
23:08 OWNSuAll joined #minetest
23:09 OldCoder And perhaps the lantern mod used in Zegaton
23:09 Taoki joined #minetest
23:09 OldCoder No credits
23:09 paramat today's logs at 19:46
23:09 OldCoder Does anybody know where the lantern mod came from?
23:09 OldCoder Taoki, Hi!
23:09 Taoki hi :)
23:09 OldCoder Taoki or Mircea
23:09 OldCoder I am bring dozens of worlds
23:09 OldCoder back to life
23:09 OldCoder Do you know much of mods?
23:10 OldCoder People other than John and VanessaE are not commenting
23:10 OldCoder And John must sleep now
23:10 OldCoder
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23:10 OldCoder arsdragonfly, hi
23:11 OldCoder Who did the lanterns mod? Anybody know?
23:12 JesseH joined #minetest
23:12 OldCoder JesseH, Hi
23:12 OldCoder JesseHi
23:12 JesseH Hey OldCoder
23:12 OldCoder So nobody can comment on mods? Regrettable
23:12 arsdragonfly Hey OldCoder
23:12 OldCoder arsdragonfly, Hey!
23:12 OldCoder I am bringing back 20 worlds
23:13 OldCoder and updating to latest upstream
23:13 OldCoder But I need help with mods. Send folks to see me.
23:13 * JesseH will assist, if he can
23:13 OldCoder
23:16 JesseH OldCoder, You're going to host a server?
23:16 OldCoder JesseH, I have hosted one for a year
23:16 OldCoder The current one is rather powerful
23:16 JesseH Oh, well give me the IP and ill hop on one
23:16 OldCoder If people will help (hint) it will be good
23:16 JesseH ^_^
23:16 OldCoder I am occupied with updating the worlds ATM
23:17 OldCoder WTF is "Lanterns"
23:17 OldCoder Anybody???
23:17 JesseH Gonna update minetest
23:17 OldCoder k
23:17 JesseH Lanterns? Those things that are used for light?
23:17 OldCoder Yes
23:17 OldCoder But where is the official link
23:17 OldCoder For the mod that Zegaton is using?
23:17 OldCoder And whose mod is "spawn" ??
23:17 OldCoder Or "pulverize all" ?
23:17 OldCoder
23:17 JesseH Are lanterns better than torches?
23:18 OldCoder I have no idea
23:18 OldCoder Speak, people!
23:18 JesseH People may be asleep :Pp
23:18 OldCoder Nobody?
23:18 OldCoder Very well
23:18 * JesseH throws patience at OldCoder  :P
23:18 * OldCoder catches and nibbles it
23:18 JesseH Heh
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23:31 paramat i cant help with your questions OC ;)
23:33 OldCoder paramat, Thank you for responding
23:34 * OldCoder persists because he wishes people to have fun
23:34 OldCoder Hmm
23:34 paramat post on the forum :)
23:40 OldCoder paramat, possibly t y; but I am contributing a very powerful server
23:40 OldCoder If people are not able to comment here and save me time
23:40 OldCoder I think it is reasonable to proceed more slowly
23:40 ShadowNinja OldCoder: I would recommend unified inventor.
23:41 OldCoder ShadowBot, Inventory not Inventor
23:41 OldCoder Link?
23:41 OldCoder Vanessa said the same
23:41 OldCoder But did not have the link
23:41 * OldCoder needs the LINKS not the NAMES
23:41 ShadowNinja https://github.com/minetest​-technic/unified_inventory
23:41 OldCoder Well thank you!!
23:47 JesseH Can anyone help me understand why my framerate stays around 8, in game/
23:47 JesseH and how I can speed it up
23:48 ShadowNinja JesseH: Minetest is very unoptimized? You have a lot of mods? You have a bad graphics card?
23:48 JesseH I am on a shitty laptop
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23:49 JesseH Also, how can things be more optimized? Are people working on this?
23:49 JesseH Also, no mods
23:49 JesseH Oh, I took all the settings off, and i am about at 25 now.
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23:49 JesseH Much better, but still awkward game play.
23:49 JesseH I am collecting a list of improvements that will need to be made to give an optimal gaming experience for someone with the minetest engine.
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23:51 JesseH For example, it taking a second or two for blocks to appear when placed.
23:52 JesseH Might just be me, though
23:52 JesseH So not that big of a deal i guess
23:52 shurtugal Can someone please help me? I cannot log on to any server, says my clients version is not supported (linux)."server version is 0.4.6, server's PROTOCOL_VERSION is 13...13, clients PROTOCOL_VERSION is 3...3
23:53 shurtugal I used the terminal to install minetest
23:53 Menche what version is your client?
23:53 shurtugal How do you tell?
23:53 Menche should be in the top-left corner
23:53 shurtugal hold on
23:54 Menche if you installed it from your distro's repository, i would guess that it is 0.3.something
23:54 shurtugal 0.3.1
23:54 shurtugal How do i upgrade?
23:54 Menche yeah, that's too old for most servers. what distro?
23:54 shurtugal Debian
23:54 shurtugal wheazy
23:54 Menche the recommended way would be to compile it
23:55 Menche there's detailed instructions in the README
23:55 shurtugal Ill try but im still new to linux (thanks
23:55 shurtugal gonna try that now, later (thanks)

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