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00:30 VanessaE is there a reliable way to determine what mod is creating map and hence mesh updates?
00:36 kahrl disable half the mods, run, see if it still generates the updates, if yes -> offending mod in the enabled half, if no -> other half, repeat
00:38 VanessaE well besides a bisect :P
00:38 VanessaE I'm loking for something that's spamming nearby areas about every 3 seconds or so
00:39 VanessaE looking*
00:39 * NekoGloop sets a cookie in VanessaE's lap
00:43 zat loslib.c:(.text+0x46): warning: the use of `tmpnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
00:43 VanessaE ignore that.
00:44 zat I cannot ignore dangers!
00:44 VanessaE its dangerous if you're a coder working on loslib.c :P
00:44 zat oslib.c:(
00:45 VanessaE ok oslib.c then
00:46 zat oslib.c:(
00:46 Menche compile minetest with -Wall -Wextra in the CFLAGS. the warnings are spectacular.
00:46 zat (including frown)
00:46 ShadowNinja Hah.
00:46 ShadowNinja plol Menche.
00:48 kahrl VanessaE: this should do the trick: http://paste.dy.fi/Gcz
00:48 kahrl (put it in builtin.lua or wherever)
00:49 VanessaE ah, I hadn't thought about it from that perspective
00:50 Peacock have you tried turning it off an on again? :P
00:52 VanessaE heh
00:52 Peacock http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/upload​s/2013/10/obama-shutdown-meme-509x620.jpg
00:54 VanessaE display_blocks quickly rises to the top of the list.
00:54 VanessaE ...inetest/games/vanessae_game/​mods/display_blocks/init.lua:43
00:54 VanessaE I'll have to make a point to yell at jojoa
00:55 Peacock yelling won't do anything, let's bind and beat him
00:55 Peacock or roll him up in a carpet and throw him off a bridge :D
00:56 VanessaE *facepalm*
00:56 VanessaE he doesn't even check for air before add_node() ??
00:56 VanessaE come on jojo, this is Modding 101 stuff.
00:56 Peacock airchecking is for wimps :P
00:57 Peacock http://memegenerator.net/instance/41869681
00:57 VanessaE lol
01:03 Peacock Modding 101 would make awesome tutorial titles though
01:08 VanessaE https://github.com/jojoa1997/display_blocks/pull/1
01:08 VanessaE there, that fixes the issue with that mod.
01:08 Peacock jojoa's prolly sleeping at this hour tho
01:08 VanessaE probably.
01:09 VanessaE well no
01:09 VanessaE not at 9:09pm
01:09 VanessaE he's likely awake but doing homework
01:09 VanessaE parental restrictions
01:09 Peacock jesus at ten yrs old i was expected to be in bed by 8 lol
01:10 VanessaE he's 16
01:10 Peacock 16?
01:10 VanessaE *nod*
01:10 VanessaE I think so
01:11 Peacock im pretty sure he said 10 and 12 on different occasions lol
01:11 Peacock but heck i get ogb and nekogloop mixed up all the time too so who knows lol
01:11 VanessaE heh
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01:12 NekoGloop mew
01:12 Peacock i cant even remember my own age half the time, i have to do the math from my birth year lol
01:14 Peacock you laugh at this though, the other day i was walking home, and walked straight passed my building XD
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01:15 us|0gb I knew the display blocks were destructive (jojoa accidentally showed me that), but i didn't realize they were also destructive to performance.
01:15 us|0gb Peacock, I never remember my age when people ask either.
01:15 us|0gb Maybe it's because I ignore my birthday.
01:15 Peacock seriously, i stopped keeping track when i stopped having bday parties lol
01:17 Peacock these days we just get shitfaced and order thai lol
01:17 us|0gb I don't even do that. My birthday is just another day to me.
01:18 Peacock well you need to have fun while you're young, im pushing 30 and nights like that are getting more costly :P
01:18 Peacock (hangover-wise)
01:18 us|0gb Celebrating the arbitrary isn't my idea of fun though.
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01:19 Peacock well so's christmas and the 4 of july, i bet you dont sit at home alone though?
01:19 Niften hello
01:19 Niften xD first thing when I get on peacock says that
01:19 us|0gb Hello! Just who I've been looking for.
01:19 Niften 0gb :D
01:19 Niften I hate the L-system :?
01:19 Niften :/
01:19 Peacock in Quebec it's extra fun because we have two national holidays, the St-Jean Baptiste on june 24th, and Canada day on July 5th
01:19 us|0gb Also, I ignore all holidays to the extent my family will allow. They're all arbitrary.
01:20 us|0gb Niften, we can't support v7 in our game.
01:20 Niften why?
01:20 Peacock that's two weekends of missing memory engrams
01:20 us|0gb V7 requires "default:ice", but we aren't using default.
01:20 Niften we can easily make some engine adjustments?
01:20 Niften c:
01:20 us|0gb Most stuff like that is handled with mapgen aliases, but that one isn't.
01:21 us|0gb I made an engine adjustment about 11 days ago, but it's not getting pulled. I wouldn't be so impatient, but out time before 0.4.8 is waining.
01:21 Niften I was on the forum the other day and saw an LUA biome api
01:21 Niften mod
01:21 Niften thingy
01:21 us|0gb If 0.4.8 hits without that pull, we cannot suppoer v7.
01:22 us|0gb *support
01:22 Niften 0gb
01:22 Peacock thingies are cool, but doohickeys are better
01:22 Niften we can easily download the source, change up le values, and recompile xD
01:22 Niften it will require another/different build of mt but it'll be worth it..
01:23 us|0gb If we recompile, we can't expect our game to run on other peoples' machines. In which case, our game is essentially a private one.
01:23 Niften true
01:23 Peacock not even in server mode?
01:23 us|0gb I would change it on my machin in a heartbeat, but it won't help us.
01:23 Niften they can re-download it
01:23 Niften xD
01:24 us|0gb We could run a compatible server Peacock, but that would be a private game (not private world).
01:24 us|0gb We can't expect others to choose our version of the game. That's the problem with forking.
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01:24 Niften I see your point though... if we don't want to use MGV7 then there's an definable biome mod.
01:24 Peacock have you tried spooning?
01:24 Niften :o
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01:25 Niften spooning/
01:25 Niften ?
01:25 Peacock lol
01:25 * Niften spoons
01:25 Peacock lol
01:25 Niften xD
01:25 Niften lol
01:25 us|0gb Peacock, all anniversaries are arbitrary. The initial event may or may not be, but the anniversary is always arbitrary with very few exceptions. That's why I don't celebrate my birthday/holidays.
01:26 Peacock what do you celebrate?
01:26 us|0gb Definable biomes would be cool for v6.
01:26 us|0gb I celebrate actual events at the time they happen.
01:27 Peacock but you dont drink get high or pick up anybody, so im kinda curious what's "fun" for you lol
01:27 us|0gb Yeah. Different people prefer different activities. Sex, drugs, and gambling are just not it for me.
01:28 Peacock we can agree on gambling, there's a warm place in my oven for gamblers lol
01:28 Peacock i worked a convenience store for 3 years, those motherfuckin' scratchies lol
01:28 Peacock people always showed up with a stack of them during rushour, i eventually learned how to crash the terminal
01:29 us|0gb Most people think they will win, but I think I could never win. It kind of kills the game for me.
01:29 VanessaE kahrl: just fyi, that code you gave me (which I stuck at the end of builtin.lua, btw) now reveals only one mod doing any periodic node activities - technic quarry - but its actions don't correlate with the mapblock activity on the in-client profiler.  Any thoughts?
01:29 Peacock though ive been known to put money on billiards, only because im good though lol
01:30 Peacock and its not totally random
01:30 VanessaE mainloop_draw and _dtime show it, but not the processed_meshes field
01:30 Niften back
01:30 us|0gb I suppose that's more reasonable than slots and scratchits.
01:30 Peacock anything lottery related is rigged against people
01:30 us|0gb Exactly.
01:30 us|0gb The house always wins.
01:30 Peacock if you win too much in a casino they accuse you of cheating
01:31 Peacock but you never told me how you celebrate something :P
01:31 us|0gb I did not know that.
01:32 us|0gb How? Well, celebration for me is mild. It's not something I'm good at or do often. I can't remember the last time I did.
01:32 Peacock usually in parties i can't really make chit chat without a few beers lol otherwise it's akward
01:34 us|0gb I go to parties, but they are arbitrary parties such as parties for arbitrary holidays. At that point, the party itself is arbitrary, but my attendance isn't, as I'm just taking my opportunity.
01:35 us|0gb Or rather, the reason for the party is arbitrary.
01:35 us|0gb But I'm not celebrating, only hanging out.
01:35 us|0gb I think holidays and anniversaries are just an excuse for such events. But why should we need an excuse?
01:36 Peacock holidays is something else though
01:36 us|0gb If I had the time and money, I'd have a party on whatever day I wanted, not limit it to a holiday.
01:36 Peacock you're expected to be with family so you drink for different reasons lol
01:37 us|0gb Hmm. I don't drink though. Are you implying that one needs to dring to stand the presence of family? If so, I feel your pain.
01:37 Peacock if you had my family, you'd drink lol
01:37 us|0gb I'm not fond of family get-togethers either.
01:38 us|0gb But none of the stories I've heard about alcohol consumption sound like something I'd want to experience.
01:38 Peacock one of my cousins is a cokehead construction worker, the other cousin's a skank, my aunt yells at my uncle constantly, etc. lol
01:39 us|0gb Yeah, my mother yells at everyone, but it just makes me want to leave not drink.
01:39 Peacock well yeah i guess its kinda different for english speaking people, they get drunk and tend to fight
01:40 Peacock french people just drink and drink lol
01:40 us|0gb Are you French?
01:40 Peacock french cdn yeah
01:40 us|0gb And I mean stories about ho it makes you feel and such.
01:40 us|0gb "Cdn"?
01:40 Peacock canadian :P
01:40 us|0gb *how
01:41 Peacock well anyone who's already depressed shouldn't drink
01:41 Peacock though its different if you're just anxious like me lol
01:41 iqualfragile french people just drink and cock
01:41 us|0gb Anyone who hate idiots shouldn't either. Drinking turns you into one of them for a while. I don't want to hate myself.
01:41 Peacock tell that to calinou :P
01:42 us|0gb What do you mean by "cock"?
01:42 Peacock and i thought you had me on ignore?
01:42 us|0gb I did? Since when?
01:43 Peacock not you, iqualfrajilee
01:43 Peacock maybe he just likes  the cock and wishes he were french XD
01:43 us|0gb Oh, gotcha'. iqualfragile's name is the same color as yours and I'm not paying attention. I thought he/she was you.
01:44 Peacock all the names on xchat are the same colour except mine
01:44 iqualfragile anarchy!
01:44 Peacock ok i think he's already drunk lol it is saturday after all
01:44 us|0gb I need more colors for rooms this full.
01:44 iqualfragile just came back from a wedding
01:45 us|0gb Saturday in Canada? Impossible.
01:45 Peacock open bar?
01:45 iqualfragile siting in front of your computer in a suit is fun
01:45 iqualfragile you should try
01:45 Peacock oh shit, it's friday lol
01:45 us|0gb Nah. Suits aren't fun for me.
01:45 Peacock suit? i look like something out of Reservoir Dogs lol
01:45 iqualfragile open bar? nah, waiters came and got you what you wanted
01:46 iqualfragile going to bed now, its time
01:46 us|0gb G'night!
01:46 Peacock when my older sister got married i was still a minor, so naturally all her friends got me beers for shits and giggles lol
01:46 arsdragonfly w8 a min
01:46 arsdragonfly iqualfragile you there?
01:47 iqualfragile you have like 7 minutes untill i drop dead arsdragonfly
01:47 Peacock lol
01:48 arsdragonfly ok i uploaded several files for the RandomMessages Mod because I met error 502 and thought it wasn't working
01:48 arsdragonfly all the files are the same, so you can pick up any one
01:49 iqualfragile arsdragonfly: yes, did that
01:49 iqualfragile but it wa 500 not 502 iirc
01:49 iqualfragile was a bug, stupid bug, my fault
01:49 iqualfragile like realy stupid
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01:53 UniversalBuilder How do i fix minetest exe????
01:54 UniversalBuilder it says it stoipped working
01:54 UniversalBuilder :\
01:56 UniversalBuilder Minetest has stopped working.
01:56 UniversalBuilder How do I fix it??
01:56 UniversalBuilder http://prntscr.com/1vbouv
01:57 UniversalBuilder I tried to reinstall it
01:57 UniversalBuilder but it is still the same
01:58 Peacock have you tried turning it off and on?
01:58 UniversalBuilder of course
01:58 Peacock hm,
01:58 UniversalBuilder ive even restarted my computer
01:59 Peacock file a bug report, a fix should be forthcoming in 12-18 months
01:59 UniversalBuilder and its still teh same
01:59 UniversalBuilder okay, but how?
01:59 Peacock did you try reinstalling?
02:01 UniversalBuilder yeah
02:01 kaeza lol P
02:01 kaeza lol Peacock
02:01 kaeza damned tabcomplete
02:01 VanessaE kahrl: is it meaningful if drawtime can vary by as much as say 50% relative to fps?
02:01 Peacock lol at what exactly? lol i say alot of ridiculous shit
02:01 kaeza Peacock, you just sounded like the average tech support guy :3
02:01 VanessaE like a draw time of 22 gives a fps of about 24, but then sign out/in and I get 35-40 fps with a draw time of like 23?
02:02 Peacock kaeza too bad i dont get paid like redhat guys lol
02:02 kaeza UniversalBuilder, system?
02:02 kaeza lol
02:02 UniversalBuilder what>
02:02 UniversalBuilder oh
02:02 UniversalBuilder windows 7
02:03 Peacock christ compels you! use trisquell!
02:03 Peacock just kidding
02:03 kaeza lol trisquel
02:03 VanessaE christ who?
02:03 Peacock lol trisquel indeed
02:03 UniversalBuilder :S
02:03 kaeza Peacock, suggest an OS that actually works pls
02:03 kaeza :P
02:03 Peacock average trisquel user evening (w/o flash): http://s22.postimg.org/jtavh4j6p/funny.png
02:04 kaeza lel
02:05 kaeza I can't hear you over the sound of my BSD licensed software
02:05 Peacock vanessa christ the allmighty :P
02:05 VanessaE never heard of him
02:05 VanessaE one of those modern bands or something?
02:05 Peacock well if its any comfort, i think all the Abrahamic religions are bullshit
02:06 VanessaE heh
02:06 kaeza http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2296#comic
02:08 Peacock anyone who's actually read the old testatement / new testament / quran knows those people are batshit insane
02:08 Peacock they were all written in a time were there was no science to explain shit
02:09 Peacock the more science advances these days, the more religious people reject it as a whole
02:09 Peacock ie, intelligent design
02:09 us|0gb kaeza, Trisquel does work. As long as you don't use sleep mode, ha ha.
02:10 Peacock no flash
02:10 Peacock no binary video drivers
02:10 Peacock no way hombre
02:11 us|0gb No, I don't have Flash, but I have Gnash. Gnash ... sort of works.
02:11 Peacock sort of is good enough for people who care about the 4 freedoms, but i didn't fork out for a new tower for good enough
02:11 Peacock besides
02:12 us|0gb I understand that.
02:12 Peacock its the format of the videos themselves that trisquel disagrees with, not the players
02:12 us|0gb Personally, I don't care about formats myself. But I'm not a member of their board.
02:12 Peacock "Unfortunately, the .swf format and Adobe's official player are proprietary. "
02:13 Peacock https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/p​lay-videos-without-using-flash
02:13 Peacock "dear <porn site> webmaster, please convert your videos and website to use webm or ogg theora" lol
02:14 Peacock can't see that happening soon
02:14 us|0gb Let me rephrase: I don't care about video formats as long as we can play them. If we can't play them, we can't play them.
02:15 Peacock onpon would chastise you for wanting to play swf :P
02:15 us|0gb I have had issues with Flash sites and had to give up on watching Haven, which was sad. Small loss though.
02:15 us|0gb I don't know who Onpon is.
02:15 VanessaE bbl, bed
02:15 khonkhortisan porn is already open source
02:15 us|0gb G'night!
02:15 us|0gb I don't care about porn.
02:15 Peacock onpon = supermegazealot
02:16 Peacock porn aside, theres ton of other shit that plays flash videos lol
02:16 Peacock vine, YT, etc.
02:16 khonkhortisan I like the standalone flash player, I can lose stuff in my many browser tabs
02:16 us|0gb YouTube works in Gnash.
02:16 khonkhortisan also why I like non-webchat irc
02:17 us|0gb I did lose a lot of other sites in the switch though.
02:19 Peacock well, thats why i like compromise-capable-linux lol
02:19 Peacock giving up shit for the 4 freedoms isn't freedom if you end up with reduced choices
02:19 us|0gb I think for the short run, you are right.
02:19 Peacock well its like having a democracy but being told you can only vote for the same 2-3 parties
02:20 Peacock (the approved ones)
02:20 Peacock in the end i'd rather have linux with a touch of prop. then an all free or all prop. solution
02:20 Peacock cuz neither extreme is terribly good
02:20 us|0gb But by chosing from the more limited selection and leaving out any not in the selection, parties have to join the selection to compete.
02:21 Peacock well not even Linus Torvalds bothers with GPLv3, so im not sure that analogy applies
02:21 us|0gb Peacock, I agree about the current extremes.
02:22 Peacock like honestly, id rather not use windows full time, but i know something like Trisquel would suck as much for what i want to do w/ my computer
02:22 us|0gb I disagree with Torvalds though. I saw a video in which he explained his logic, and I think he's dead wrong.
02:22 Peacock well at least you and him are free to disagree, if RMS had his way neither of you would have a choice :P
02:23 us|0gb If he had his way, we'd live in a free world. A world where we would be free to build and advance. I don't fully agree with all he says, but the free software thing I do.
02:23 khonkhortisan In freedroidrpg, the megacompany found a bug in the open-source licence, and seized all code and made it their own.
02:24 Peacock well his ideas aren't bad, but in a world where people struggle to pay for food and rent, it's unrealistic
02:24 us|0gb I agree.
02:24 us|0gb But that doesn't mean I don't dream of the same world.
02:25 Peacock khonkhortisan shit like that will happen, regardless if its copyleft or copyright
02:25 Peacock thats why i think lawyers are snakes lol
02:25 us|0gb The current system involves holding us all back to make money for a few.
02:25 Peacock ogb that's fine, but first and foremost i'd rather a world where people don't struggle for the basic necessities, and computers ain't one yet
02:26 us|0gb That's understandable.
02:26 Peacock !g social credit
02:26 MinetestBot Peacock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit
02:26 Peacock good read
02:26 us|0gb I can't stand up for every just cause though. I'd stretch myself too thin.
02:27 Peacock well yeah but if i had time to give, id work soup kitchens, not for the fsf lol
02:27 Peacock i give what i can to the salvation army in the meantime
02:28 us|0gb You mean by donating old goods? I do the same, but to Value Village, who donates to The Arc.
02:29 Peacock heck me and my wife both had personal bankruptcies, and we give shit to the salvation army lol mostly old clothes and old furniture
02:29 Peacock don't like throwing shit in the trash that's still good, even if it doesn't fit
02:30 us|0gb I'm the same way. I'd hate waste if there were any hatred to spare on that. But in any case, I really don't like seeing things wasted when they can still be used for anything.
02:32 NekoGloop My most healing in TF2 is 3142... as heavy.
02:33 Peacock the bakery where i worked at give all their 1 day old break to a charity org, what they didn't take we brought home and ate lol
02:33 Peacock ps, bio-bread = door stops
02:36 us|0gb The pizza joint I work at donates our old pizzas. But it's not that the owner cares about people. He doesn't. But he likes the tax write off for the donation.
02:37 Peacock oh i worked a pizza joint too, you dont wanna know what we made with the old pizza lol just don't order spaghetti lol
02:40 us|0gb Okay ... who here is good at defining unusual Minetest nodes?
02:41 kaeza us|0gb, define unusual
02:42 us|0gb kaeza, fog. I need it to be transparent, non-liquid, and not let you see through other nodes (for example, the ground). Any time I get it transparent, it also grants x-ray vision.
02:42 kaeza ah
02:42 us|0gb I'm using alpha to make it transparent.
02:42 kaeza tried allfaces_optional drawtype?
02:43 us|0gb I did. It grants x-ray vision.
02:43 kaeza hmm...
02:43 us|0gb I tried all drawtypes besides the obvious wrong ones (such as plantlike and nodebox) and the liquids (as they crash the client).
02:45 us|0gb I tried glasslike even. That removed the transparency, ironically.
02:45 kaeza that's weird
02:46 Peacock shit i have regular nodes that appear transparent without glasslike or texture alpha lol
02:46 us|0gb I guess I could go with nodebox, but it seems like such a bad choice for this task.
02:46 us|0gb Not texture alpha, node definition alpha.
02:47 Peacock we got 3 different types of alpha, im at a loss to explain the differences lol
02:47 us|0gb PNG alpha, node definition alpha, and what?
02:48 Peacock glasslike
02:48 Peacock cant we just have 1 alpha and leave it up to the user to make sure the texture is actually transparent? lol
02:48 us|0gb Glasslike has no transparency.
02:48 Peacock coulda fooled me lol
02:49 us|0gb You need PNG alpha to use transparency in glasslike.
02:49 Peacock what is the purpose of glasslike then? any node can have a missing portion of texture and have it "look" transparent
02:49 ShadowNinja Huh? Yes it does. It has non-transparent parts
02:49 us|0gb Water, for example, uses the node definition alpha. You can't do that with PNG alpha.
02:50 cy1 VanessaE: https://github.com/cyisfor/item_drop
02:50 us|0gb ShadowNinja, what has non-transparent parts? Glass?
02:50 ShadowNinja Yes
02:51 us|0gb I need a water-like transparency - a transparency where there are no holes in the image and yet you can see through the whole thing.
02:51 Peacock use texture alpha
02:51 Peacock make the texture partially transparent
02:52 us|0gb Minetest doesn't allow that.
02:52 Peacock yeah it does?
02:52 us|0gb It renders images incorrectly when you do that.
02:52 us|0gb I'll try anyway though, hold on ...
02:52 Peacock well i have stained glass nodes
02:52 Peacock i know theres that bug where you stick it against water or whatnot
02:56 us|0gb It seems the PNG transparency thing was fixed. It did not work in the past. Thanks!
02:56 zat Everybody behold my new guilty pleasure!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBMq9JCiXG0
02:58 us|0gb It looks like PNG transparency plus the allfaces drawtype is what I needed. Thanks!
02:59 us|0gb zat, that video is certainly different.
02:59 zat ..different
03:01 zat And you have not yet seen their latest release: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH5TMIqJsXE
03:01 us|0gb Okay, allfaces isn't right either. It looks too odd in a large group.
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03:05 thefamilygrog66 g'evening folks
03:08 us|0gb Good evening, thefamilygrog66!
03:09 us|0gb Okay, this isn't working. I'm not sure I can make this fog look good.
03:09 thefamilygrog66 what are you working on us|0gb?
03:10 us|0gb thefamilygrog66, fog nodes. But I can't get them right.
03:10 thefamilygrog66 animated?
03:10 us|0gb No, just translucent.
03:11 thefamilygrog66 ahh
03:11 thefamilygrog66 I have a new mod idea, or addition to one of my other mods, but I'm not sure it'll work - have to research a bit
03:12 us|0gb But they either give you x-ray vision, are not translucent at all, show edges in the middle of the fog, or put up a barier that you can't see well through but once you're in the fog, you can see just fine.
03:13 thefamilygrog66 hmm, sounds tricky
03:14 us|0gb As you can see, you can currently see the lines between fog nodes: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=4e7a414
03:14 thefamilygrog66 are the original png files translucent/semi-transparent?
03:14 us|0gb They are now, yes.
03:15 thefamilygrog66 paramtype = "light", ?
03:15 us|0gb Yup.
03:15 thefamilygrog66 I got nothing, sorry!
03:16 us|0gb No worries. Thanks for trying.
03:18 us|0gb Okay ... It seems if the alpha setting is used, it is ignored but the texture's alpha is used. If the alpha setting is not used, the whole translucent image goes invisible.
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03:26 jojoa1997 can anyone help me with installing ubutntu onto a flashdrive. I cant get the guides online to work.
03:26 zat someone knows what is worldedit infinity for?
03:26 ShadowNinja jojoa1997: Try using unetbootin.
03:26 us|0gb I've tried installing systems on flash drives as well and failed.
03:27 ShadowNinja zat: Nothing yet, but if you read the code you can guess what it will be.
03:27 khonkhortisan someone knows | what is worldedit infinity for?
03:27 us|0gb I've never even heard of Worldedit Infinity, only regular Worldedit.
03:27 zat or worldedit_commands
03:27 jojoa1997 us|0gb: you made an edit of worldedit on your server
03:27 khonkhortisan commands is a folder
03:27 zat yes lol... I just saw it named in a server
03:28 khonkhortisan worldedit itself is a mod
03:28 zat got it, a subfolder lol
03:28 us|0gb jojoa1997, no, I rewrote it from scratch.
03:28 jojoa1997 ah
03:28 jojoa1997 ShadowNinja: is unebootin a linux program?
03:28 us|0gb worldedit_commands adds the commands to worldedit. It has no commands by default.
03:28 us|0gb jojoa1997, yes.
03:28 khonkhortisan I believe that's for installing multiple oses onto a flash drive?
03:29 ShadowNinja jojoa1997: unetbootin works on all/most platrorms AFAIK.
03:29 jojoa1997 well i just need to install one
03:30 thefamilygrog66 I've successfully installed Puppy Linux on a number of flashdrives, jojoa1997
03:30 thefamilygrog66 (that's what it's meant for, really)
03:31 us|0gb thefamilygrog66, I have as well, but my number is zero.
03:31 * us|0gb thinks he's funny, but really isn't
03:32 jojoa1997 but my number is zero.      what?
03:32 thefamilygrog66 math jokes
03:32 khonkhortisan I have also installed puppy linux on -1 flash drives
03:32 jojoa1997 i know what us|0gb's number is
03:32 khonkhortisan but that's an antisigned int
03:33 us|0gb "<thefamilygrog66> I've successfully installed Puppy Linux on a number of flashdrives, jojoa1997". A number. Technically, anyone can say they've done any activity a number of times. The number might be zero.
03:33 jojoa1997 ah
03:33 jojoa1997 also us|0gb is your number 000-000-0000
03:33 us|0gb I thought about choosing a negative number and appending ", whatever that means", but opted against it.
03:34 us|0gb My number is just one zero. No dashes.
03:34 jojoa1997 0000000000
03:34 jojoa1997 :P
03:34 jojoa1997 anyways
03:34 us|0gb That's not just one zero.
03:34 jojoa1997 should i choose 10.04_Live
03:34 jojoa1997 0
03:35 us|0gb Well, I guess stupid-looking fog it is. I can't fix it. I don't have the skill yet.
03:35 thefamilygrog66 animate it!
03:35 us|0gb 10.04_Live of what, Ubuntu?
03:36 us|0gb Animation won't fix the problem, only make it more complex.
03:39 jojoa1997 Ubuntu 11.10_Live_x64
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03:45 paramat today's captcha was 'celestial lointoa' :/
03:46 us|0gb I don't know that second word.
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03:48 zsoltisawesome Hi all!
03:48 us|0gb Hello!
03:48 zsoltisawesome Ah surprise to see you here
03:49 us|0gb Why is that?
03:52 Naked could it be possible to have a game mode that mimics 2 worlds. very close to each other but with different gravities? world 1 has a rooftop of say 1k blocks and from there world 2 with inverted gravities starts?
03:52 Naked or more simple a way to include inverted gravities into the game?
03:52 khonkhortisan it wouldn't work right. The character camera is locked.
03:53 khonkhortisan You'd be doing handstands the whole time
03:53 paramat directional gravity would be amazing
03:53 Naked damn
03:53 Naked yesterday I saw a movie with that theme
03:56 us|0gb FINALLY! I achived an effect similar to what I was after. This should be good enough.
03:56 paramat the minetest cosmology is an ancient one: of a stack of flat realms with one gravity direction
03:57 ShadowNinja The world is flat! Columbus lied! ;-)
03:58 paramat i tried many different semi-transparencies but they were all buggy, fog is an excellent idea ...
03:58 us|0gb ShadowNinja, http://xkcd.com/1255/
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03:59 zsoltisawesome Sorry bout that
03:59 us|0gb paramat, I finally got it with a node alpha setting, a translucent image, a glasslike drawtype, and apost_effect_color. If you want more details, I can PM you, but I can't paste it without disturbing people.
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04:00 zsoltisawesome Just stick it on p.nw2.us
04:01 paramat yes i'd like to see that, either PM or pastebin or forum whatever
04:02 zsoltisawesome Hey, so how do you make a water type block that is solid?
04:02 zsoltisawesome In lua, noob question
04:03 ShadowNinja Get watter, set walkable = true
04:03 us|0gb I tried that. It works.
04:03 us|0gb Not quite the effect I was going for, but that's what it does.
04:03 ShadowNinja And modify any similar settings.
04:05 zsoltisawesome So, when ever I try to make such a block, when I stick my head in it then it turns my display black
04:07 zsoltisawesome Btw not that type of solid, solid as in nonmoving source block thing
04:07 ShadowNinja Yep, you shouldn't be able to stick your head in it if it is walkable(solid).
04:07 us|0gb Ah. I don't think that's an option until 0.4.8.
04:08 us|0gb Set the distance of something - I forget what - to zero.
04:08 us|0gb But it might still drop down, I don't know.
04:08 Naked any one plays openttd here?
04:08 khonkhortisan I've played it
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04:08 zsoltisawesome Trying to make a decorative nether portal that works like the MC one
04:08 dafull97 Hey
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04:09 ShadowNinja zsoltisawesome: See how PilzAdam's nether mod does it.
04:10 zsoltisawesome Does it have the purple alpha thing?
04:10 us|0gb I don't think the API is ready for Minecraft portals yet.
04:10 khonkhortisan it's barely ready for fully rotating nodes
04:10 zsoltisawesome Its DE-COR-A-TIVE
04:11 zsoltisawesome XD
04:11 khonkhortisan Hey why won't this portal work?
04:11 ShadowNinja Yes, it looks just like MC nether portals.
04:11 zsoltisawesome Hehe
04:11 khonkhortisan it looks just the same as in minecraft. Is it because it's someone else's?
04:11 paramat ive made translucent nodes but in testing distant ones seen through closer ones has a trippy effect, the further one looks closer
04:12 khonkhortisan clouds do that too
04:13 khonkhortisan just use both eyes, it'll fix that problem
04:13 ShadowNinja There is a old wontfix issue on that.
04:13 us|0gb I know what you mean paramat, but that's as close as I could get to making it work.
04:14 zsoltisawesome Does minetest support semi-transparent skins?
04:14 zat What mod can give me a welcome message to a new player?
04:15 zat kind of... full screen
04:15 ShadowNinja Even if it does, that is just asking for glitches...
04:15 us|0gb You might have to build one. People use welcome scripts on several servers, but I've never seen one released.
04:16 ShadowNinja zat: None AFAIK, you need to write one yourself, possibly using the wiki mod API.
04:17 zat Must be simple then
04:17 zat that mod displays messages
04:17 zsoltisawesome Ya, im trying to make Moontest have a spaceman skin that has a semi transparent visor
04:18 us|0gb That would look cool.
04:18 zsoltisawesome I agree
04:18 zat a suggestion... players should be told they are banned when they are... banned.
04:18 ShadowNinja zat: Rewrite banning. ;-)
04:19 ShadowNinja Currently it just ignores banned clients AFAIK.
04:19 zat Like the "you are dead" message, but it should say something like..... "wtf u banned rofl pwnd"
04:23 us|0gb zat, I agree, but a more professional message should be used. Or a server-setable message.
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04:25 zat server-setable != pro
04:25 zat though saying "u banned n00b" is kinda pro.
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04:26 zsoltisawesome What did I miss?
04:26 zsoltisawesome Hey, is anyone here a good pixel artist?
04:26 us|0gb "u banned n00b" is very unprofessional. But if it was server-settable, any server that wanted to not look like trash could choose to not look like trash.
04:27 us|0gb zsoltisawesome, I'm not good, but I probably will be by the time I finish my next big thing.
04:27 zsoltisawesome Ah, ok
04:27 us|0gb So many nodes I need to texture ...
04:28 paramat us0gb, for mist i think you also need sunlight_propagates true, pointable false, diggable false, buildable_to true
04:28 zsoltisawesome I need a freaking 16x16 moon texture
04:29 zat us|0gb: "u banned n00b" is certainly what a pro l33t player would say.
04:29 zsoltisawesome I'm thinking of just adding some grayscale noise to the clay texture
04:31 us|0gb That paste was only dealing with the graphics. sunlight_propogates would cause it to not block light, I'm not sure if I want that, but maybe. Diggable has never had an effect when I used it. I set all sorts of things to not diggable then dug them anyway. Buildable_to and I don't get along well, so maybe. I need a way to mine the mist, and I'm not sure how to do that if it's not pointable.
04:32 us|0gb zat, I disagree. I thing anyone calling themselves "l33t" is pretty trashy.
04:32 us|0gb *think
04:32 zsoltisawesome Because I'm just not loving the texture hybrid dog (no offense to him) made cause its non tillable and dark
04:32 us|0gb Or is acting trashy at the time they say it, anyway.
04:32 zsoltisawesome 1000% offended
04:33 us|0gb I'm very sorry. But I cannot take it back, I truly feel such "words" are trashy.
04:33 Peacock l33t, a division in the special olympics isn't it?
04:34 us|0gb Probably. But those people are special.
04:34 zsoltisawesome Not by you, offended at misuse of the phrase 'l33t'
04:34 us|0gb Being special isn't something to aspire to.
04:35 thefamilygrog66 Mini Me: http://i.imgur.com/pAYya6h.png
04:35 zsoltisawesome Can someone explain why I feel like a total noob?
04:35 us|0gb Ha ha, nice.
04:35 us|0gb Sorry, I don't know why.
04:36 thefamilygrog66 Still trying to figure out vertical positioning though, after changing size.
04:37 us|0gb I just set diggable to false again. I can still dig the nodes.
04:37 thefamilygrog66 creative?
04:37 zsoltisawesome I hate advertising, but can anyone help me with tinyurl.com/Moontest I need alot of help
04:37 zat uh, you are right... us|0gangbang.
04:38 zat kik
04:38 us|0gb Non-creative doesn't have a hand right now, so yes. But before, outside of creative, diggable didn't seem to mean anything either.
04:39 zsoltisawesome NOONE INSULTS us|0gb AROUND ME
04:39 us|0gb I can take insults. Besides, was I even insulted? If so, I completely missed it.
04:39 zat it was not an insult lol
04:40 zat it actually is what I think every time I read 0gb
04:40 zat ...yes, I know.........
04:40 zsoltisawesome Sorry for over reacting, I'm a little protective of friends
04:40 us|0gb "gb" could be anything.
04:40 zsoltisawesome But it could be what it is: gigabyte
04:40 us|0gb zsoltisawesome, thanks!
04:41 zsoltisawesome :D
04:41 us|0gb It is a backronym. The meaning was chosen AFTER the short version.
04:41 * thefamilygrog66 constantly insults us|0gb, hahaha
04:41 zat good that nobody said I am pron obsessed...
04:42 zsoltisawesome I thought it but I didn't say it
04:42 us|0gb Did you even mention porn?
04:42 zsoltisawesome Yes
04:42 zat Gangbang is a pron term D:
04:43 us|0gb I though gang bang was a shootout between rival gangs.
04:43 zsoltisawesome Naughty mouse!
04:43 zat yes sounds like that
04:43 zat I must go sleep now
04:43 us|0gb G'night!
04:43 zat my lovely gf is waiting for me!
04:44 zat (gf = girlfriend)
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04:44 zsoltisawesome ...
04:44 zat she plays Minetest with me
04:44 Peacock your hand can wait
04:44 us|0gb Nice!
04:44 Peacock :P
04:44 zat ah speaking of which...
04:44 zat http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/e​pisodes/s17e02-informative-murder-porn
04:44 thefamilygrog66 us|0gb, what do you have in groups = {}
04:45 zat this almost killed me
04:45 zat (the episode)
04:45 zat Peacock: unlike yours, not all girlfriends are hands!
04:45 us|0gb Groups? oddly_breakable_by_hand, for test purposes.
04:45 Peacock my wife has hands of her own, surprisingly :P
04:46 zat sorry for not being able to compose smarter replies... I am 90% asleep and English IS NOT my native language.
04:46 thefamilygrog66 then it'll be diggable by default, no?
04:46 zat kisses to all yes so what
04:46 zat bye
04:46 zsoltisawesome What is then?
04:46 us|0gb zat, won't play without Flash.
04:47 us|0gb thefamilygrog66, what is the "digable" setting for then?
04:47 thefamilygrog66 use chrome
04:47 us|0gb Will it work in Chrome without Flash?
04:47 thefamilygrog66 chrome has flash built in
04:47 zsoltisawesome No crap
04:47 us|0gb Then I can't use Chrome.
04:47 thefamilygrog66 why?
04:48 us|0gb Because it has Flash built it. I don't use non-free software such as Flash.
04:48 thefamilygrog66 err...I didn't pay for it
04:48 thefamilygrog66 ergo, it's free
04:48 ShadowNinja Free as in freedom
04:48 thefamilygrog66 whatever
04:49 zsoltisawesome Because he's a FSF guy
04:49 us|0gb Free software is software that doesn't restrict your freedoms, not software that doesn't have a monetary cost.
04:49 thefamilygrog66 I have the freedom to watch flash videos
04:49 thefamilygrog66 therefore, I'm freer.
04:49 us|0gb Some free software is not free of charge.
04:49 us|0gb You can use Flash, but I choose not to.
04:49 thefamilygrog66 why, because it's not open source?
04:50 us|0gb Because it's not free.
04:50 thefamilygrog66 how does it restrict your "freedoms" exactly?
04:50 us|0gb Free software is open source, but not all open source software is free.
04:50 zsoltisawesome Because its not analogous to free speech
04:51 thefamilygrog66 that makes zero sense
04:51 zsoltisawesome Go read the book Coding Freedom
04:51 us|0gb thefamilygrog66:
04:51 thefamilygrog66 why don't you try to explain it yourself?
04:51 us|0gb The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
04:51 us|0gb The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
04:51 us|0gb The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2).
04:51 us|0gb The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
04:51 us|0gb was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
04:51 zsoltisawesome Then it will
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04:52 thefamilygrog66 us|0gb, you used to use a macbook, correct?
04:52 us|0gb That was long before I came here.
04:52 thefamilygrog66 it was last year, if I recall
04:52 us|0gb Also, I no longer use Macs of any kind.
04:53 us|0gb Not a Macbook.
04:53 thefamilygrog66 a mac of some sort
04:53 thefamilygrog66 I remember we discussed it on your server awhile back
04:53 us|0gb I used a different Mac, but that was before I understood why I shouldn't use it.
04:53 us|0gb You can't blame me for past ignorance.
04:53 zsoltisawesome I wish I had a useable computer
04:54 thefamilygrog66 fair enough, but macs are the antethesis of "free", despite using a locked down version of linux
04:54 ShadowNinja zsoltisawesome: How are you connecting without one?
04:54 zsoltisawesome Iphone
04:54 thefamilygrog66 hahaha
04:54 us|0gb thefamilygrog66, I understand that, which is why I don't use them.
04:55 us|0gb ANd they are versions of BSD, not GNU/Linux.
04:55 ShadowNinja thefamilygrog66: BSD actually.
04:55 thefamilygrog66 <zsoltisawesome> Go read the book Coding Freedom
04:55 zsoltisawesome Yet another example of hoe freaking poor I am
04:55 thefamilygrog66 <zsoltisawesome> Iphone
04:56 zsoltisawesome And? I don't have a job
04:56 thefamilygrog66 you don't see what I'm getting at there?
04:56 ShadowNinja Abd yet you have a Iphone?
04:56 thefamilygrog66 a locked-down, proprietary mac product?
04:56 thefamilygrog66 and you're lecturing me about coding freedom?
04:57 zsoltisawesome A shitty one
04:57 us|0gb He said to read the book to understand what I meant, he never said he agreed with me.
04:57 zsoltisawesome I sorta do
04:57 us|0gb Lots of people help others understand what I mean without agreeing with me.
04:57 Peacock not this again lol
04:58 thefamilygrog66 bahaha
04:58 thefamilygrog66 I understand that you're a bit extreme with your beliefs in open source software
04:58 us|0gb Peacock, thefamilygrog66 just wanted to know why I don't use Flash. I'm not peddling anything.
04:58 thefamilygrog66 Do I look like a fucking shill for Adobe?
04:59 us|0gb Not open source software, but free software. Not all open source software is free.
04:59 zsoltisawesome No
04:59 thefamilygrog66 whatever, I use what works in the situation required
04:59 us|0gb You asked, I answered. I'm not here to make trouble.
04:59 Peacock just because minetest is opensource doesn't mean every discussion about every application and OS has to revolve around opensource :P
04:59 Peacock kinda stumbled in here halfway (was doing dishes)
05:00 paramat Peacock, here's a simple paragen LVM for testing in 0.4.7dev. no trees or clouds, with new faster perlin functions http://www.mediafire.com/download/n​2vn3y9pjvuc2vd/paragenlvm051013.zip
05:00 us|0gb Peacock, I'm just trying to not use Flash in peace.
05:00 Peacock DL'ed
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05:01 Peacock thats fine ogb, but like vegans, you dont need to explain why to everyone everytime :P
05:01 thefamilygrog66 I just think that's like saying, I'd really like to put up a picture, but since my hammer has a Craftsman logo on it, I can't hammer a nail into the wall
05:01 Peacock paramat will test tomorrow, server's shut down for the night
05:01 us|0gb I'll explain why when people ask, as thefamilygrog66 did this time. Should I not answer questions?
05:01 paramat cool
05:01 Peacock too many griefers tonight lol
05:02 us|0gb The Craftsman hammer doesn't have a "no modification or examination" clause.
05:02 Peacock i just hate how politicized software has become :P sucks the fun out of dev'ing anything
05:02 thefamilygrog66 why would you need to modify it or examine it, if it does what you need it to do?
05:02 Peacock id rather just get involved in real politics at that point lol
05:03 kaeza us|0gb, but at least it has a "It works!" clause on it :P
05:03 kaeza </troll>
05:03 thefamilygrog66 why can't you just use it if it's what's required in that given situation?
05:03 Peacock kaeza lol
05:03 us|0gb thefamilygrog66, some software has been known to have malicius features built in. Some companies even sell your CPU cycles with it.
05:03 thefamilygrog66 who's buying?
05:03 Peacock kaeza you have to pay 5.99$/min on a 1-900 line for support with your open source hammer :P
05:03 us|0gb I don't know who's buying the cycles.
05:04 zsoltisawesome Guys, please stop.
05:04 us|0gb I'm ready to stop at any point, provided people aren't trying to push non-free software on me. I don't care if y'all want to restrict your own freedoms.
05:05 Peacock using what works != restricting own freedom
05:05 us|0gb I just don't want to use it myself, and should be free to not do so.
05:06 Peacock you can be totally free by living in a shack in the woods off the land, but not too many people would want to do without creature comforts either
05:06 Peacock (same kind of analogy)
05:06 us|0gb THat's not free, that's being a hermit.
05:06 us|0gb (There is a difference, you know.)
05:06 kaeza [02:05:08] <us|0gb> I just don't want to use it myself, and should be free to not do so.
05:07 zsoltisawesome Sadly the reason I haven't given up flash is because my school requires it
05:07 Peacock well if the extreme-fsf types are a minority of the open source minority, does that not make them technological hermits too?
05:07 kaeza by the same token, I use "proprietary" software and am free to do so without anyone telling me I will burn in hell for doing so
05:07 thefamilygrog66 you're so burning in hell, kaeza
05:07 Peacock lol
05:07 us|0gb No, as we still interact with those around us, we just choose to do it in a way we feel is ethical.
05:08 kaeza "ethics" -- now an absolute term
05:08 Peacock and freedom only has one definition too it seems :P
05:08 zsoltisawesome I'm gone, this is too much
05:08 us|0gb Ethics are subjective. And meaningless. We all as individuals have our own set of ethics.
05:08 Naked ethics limit your freedom
05:09 thefamilygrog66 ^^^
05:09 us|0gb Freedom has several definitions.
05:09 kaeza us|0gb, exactly my point
05:09 us|0gb Naked, yes they do.
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05:10 us|0gb Naked, we should all be free to rape and murder. Is that what you mean? There is a point where your freedoms impose on the freedoms of others.
05:10 Naked well how ever this pit of hell topic started I will say I enjoy my minetest free games and my "closed" games
05:10 thefamilygrog66 and that point is flash.
05:11 us|0gb No, my lack of using Flash does not require you to use or not use it.
05:12 us|0gb Naked, yes, enjoy your possibly-vast library of games.
05:12 thefamilygrog66 it imposes on my freedom to show you a video of my choice
05:12 Peacock i dont get the point of using computers at all if you don't like how 90% of it's technologies are developed
05:12 us|0gb thefamilygrog66, that sounds like you're trying to FORCE me to see a video that I should be free to not view if I choose not to view it.
05:13 thefamilygrog66 WATCH THE VIDEO
05:13 Peacock lol
05:13 us|0gb I will not.
05:13 thefamilygrog66 hahahaa
05:13 kaeza :D
05:13 Peacock i have no idea what trisquel users do for fun on their computers, compile new kernels probably lol
05:14 Peacock or watch the old gif porn of the early 90s
05:14 thefamilytroll66 ascii porn
05:14 us|0gb I don't actually enjoy compiling, and don't do it often.
05:14 us|0gb I also am asexual, so I don't like porn.
05:15 thefamilytroll66 I have a minetest question, so I'm gonna ask about asking questions.
05:15 Peacock lol
05:15 us|0gb Okay, cool.
05:16 thefamilytroll66 If I change the size of an object on the fly, it retains it's vertical centre instead of gravity pulling it to the ground. What setting(s) am I missing?
05:17 kaeza no setting
05:17 kaeza that's how it wrks
05:17 kaeza +o
05:17 kaeza in any case set it's gravity/acceleration accordingly
05:17 us|0gb THat sounds like an issue I'm having with plantlike nodes.
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05:19 thefamilytroll66 I change the collisionbox dimensions and visual_size but the object floats in the air or is stuck in the ground, depending on whether it's shrinking or growing.
05:23 kaeza thefamilytroll66, check the collision box
05:23 kaeza if you didn't set one explicitly, it is the size of a node
05:23 thefamilytroll66 I did change it though
05:23 Peacock les entities, sa suce
05:24 thefamilytroll66 Here's an example: these two players are standing right beside each other
05:24 thefamilytroll66 http://i.imgur.com/LsNjuBB.png
05:24 thefamilytroll66 The little dude is floating in mid-air
05:24 kaeza can you screenshot the boxes?
05:24 thefamilytroll66 Let me try, one sec
05:25 thefamilytroll66 (fun running three versions of minetest simultaneously for these screenshots!)
05:25 Peacock resizing players or making facsimiles?
05:25 kaeza on that topic, I'm not sure if you can change the collision boxes of players
05:25 us|0gb thefamilytroll66, I imagine so. That must make them slow.
05:26 thefamilytroll66 kaeza, I did, but it doesn't seem to help
05:27 thefamilytroll66 Okay, here's more of a side view, for a better perspective:
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05:27 thefamilytroll66 http://i.imgur.com/WYnGGHF.png
05:28 thefamilytroll66 http://i.imgur.com/vogQvr3.png
05:28 paramat cute
05:29 thefamilytroll66 more beans... :)
05:29 paramat my captcha was 'metal pokedic' 8/
05:29 Peacock sounds painful
05:29 kaeza lol
05:30 Peacock http://www.trudeaucorp.com/me​dia/catalogue/0996900-P-G.jpg
05:30 thefamilytroll66 sounds like my last date...
05:31 Peacock tell her to put the round tip on her tongue piercing, not the conic one :P
05:32 thefamilytroll66 ouch
05:32 thefamilytroll66 here's what the other bean does - note how I'm now half stuck in the ground:
05:32 thefamilytroll66 http://i.imgur.com/wz79Auq.png
05:32 khonkhortisan I learned from 1,000 ways to die to not get tongue piercings
05:33 Peacock yeah thats cuz your pos is the same and the player pos is at the center of it's body (relative)
05:33 Peacock so smaller peoples = must set pos lower
05:33 Peacock bigger peoples = must set pos higher
05:34 thefamilytroll66 I do that, but then it jumps/falls almost immediately
05:34 us|0gb Yeah, I can see why, but I don't know how to fix it ...
05:34 khonkhortisan death kiss: two cars racing toward a wall in the middle of the road, two people lean out and kiss, one has a knob tongue piercing, the other has a ring tongue piercing.
05:34 paramat us0gb, your mist node definition is working well for me so far :)
05:34 us|0gb Great!
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05:35 thefamilytroll66 here's the part of the code for the growing/shrinking:
05:35 paramat you reminded me to add fog to paragen / paragenv7, shaped by the humidity perlin noise
05:35 thefamilytroll66 http://pastebin.com/VD378y5d
05:36 us|0gb What is paragen?
05:36 paramat !
05:36 thefamilytroll66 maybe if I setpos after changing the size
05:37 paramat ;) my lua mapgen mod, also works with MGV7
05:38 us|0gb Ah, got it. I have no idea how to work with perlin noise yet, but I hope to learn. I'm trying to learn the Minetest API by using most of its non-entity features.
05:39 thefamilytroll66 any ideas, Peacock?
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05:45 Peacock oups sorry was fininshing dishes
05:45 Peacock you already tried setpos before/after resizing?
05:47 thefamilytroll66 just doing that now...
05:51 thefamilytroll66 Yeah, same thing, unfortunately.
05:52 thefamilytroll66 I'm gonna sleep on it...
05:53 Peacock weird
05:54 us|0gb Peacock, the problem is that the selection box is resizing, but the collision box is not.
05:54 us|0gb (I have no idea how to fix that.)
05:55 Peacock oh, can't you adjust both? or are they static?
05:55 us|0gb I don't know. I have an issue like that in one of my scripts as well. It should have a 16^3 collision box, but doesn't.
05:56 Peacock youd think selection box and collision box would be the same lol
05:56 us|0gb Yes and no.
05:57 Peacock except when objects are non physical
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06:00 thefamilytroll66 Yeah, specifically stating the collision box, but that doesn't seem to matter.
06:02 us|0gb If I recall, players have ... special properties. They may not respond to the usual methods.
06:02 thefamilytroll66 Unless, of course, it's when the entity is initially spawned.
06:02 us|0gb I forget what I tried to do with players, but I never did figure out how.
06:03 thefamilytroll66 I'll play around a bit tomorrow to see if it behaves similarly with mobs - e.g. if a mob is hit, it shrinks to 1/2 size, that sorta thing
06:05 thefamilytroll66 I really like the idea of the player being able to change size during gameplay though.
06:06 thefamilytroll66 There's gotta be a setting which defines how high off the ground the player's centre is.
06:07 thefamilytroll66 And not just changing setpos, which doesn't seem to matter
06:08 us|0gb Try setting initial_sprite_basepos.
06:08 thefamilytroll66 I saw that, and thought it only applied to 2D players
06:08 thefamilytroll66 I'll try it in the morning though - for now, I must sleep.
06:09 us|0gb Okay, good night.
06:09 thefamilytroll66 thanks for your help/suggestions, guys and have a good night - I apologize for being a freedom troll :)
06:09 us|0gb No worries. It happens.
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06:41 TheSprtCz Hi, is here someone who can add new translation?
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06:59 sfan5 TheSprtCz: maybe http://translate.minetest.ru helps you
07:01 TheSprtCz thx
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08:08 Hunterz hi
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08:10 Hunterz please where is saved for example this setting: minetest.setting_set("static_spawnpoint", minetest.pos_to_string(pos)) ?
08:10 Hunterz after restart server ther is not set
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08:15 Hunterz hmm mayebe setting_save :)
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08:58 arsdragonfly Hunterz: iirc it's saved in minetest.conf
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09:22 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
09:26 Hunterz hm setting_save was needed... now is spawnpoint saved :)
09:29 jin_xi hmm, thinking about some weird idea: i think it should be possible to generate textures via lua before nodes are defined. so we could make one generative texture pack that fits for all texture resolutions
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10:18 Hunterz When is server log full of similar: ACTION[ServerThread]: Player nickname moved too fast; resetting position - server is totally laggy
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12:02 nore hi all
12:03 VanessaE hi nore
12:05 nore I see my energy branch has been merged into technic... is it faster now?
12:05 VanessaE yes
12:05 chlue at least it seem to have made landrush server instable :-P
12:06 chlue but I guess that has other reasons
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12:52 chlue nore: Not sure if it is due to your changes, but technic solars out of range don't produce any power anymore (former they produced even at night which was wrong too)
12:53 chlue and the high calculation is wrong you already get max power at 35 instead of the former 130 (or was this desired?)
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13:05 VanessaE the only solution to that, chlue, is to force the server to always run routine operations on all mapblocks containing technic nodes
13:05 VanessaE (mesecons and pipeworks need this too)
13:05 VanessaE this is not really possible unfortunately.
13:05 VanessaE not yet anyway
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13:06 VanessaE unless someone can find a way to create a bunch of "dummy" players that are positioned in any mapblock containing a technic, mesecon, or pipeworks item
13:09 Hunterz is possible disabling fire spreading?
13:10 chlue VanessaeE they worked in the past by keeping their last state. Only the switching station needs to be loaded
13:11 chlue Apparently an active block can querry the whole map loaded or unloaded, so only the control blocks need to be active
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13:11 chlue the drawback was that this solars resumed to work at night trough, because their own code to shut them down was not run
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13:12 Dan_D Help? This doesn't seem to do anything.:
13:12 Dan_D on_use = minetest.set_timeofday(0.3),
13:14 nore VanessaE, there my force_load pull is handy
13:15 Dan_D There isn't even an error or anything,just nothing happens
13:15 VanessaE maybe you lack priv to set the time of day?
13:16 chlue Dan_D does it really expect float numbers. thought time of day is 0...23999
13:16 Dan_D In code 0.75 is dusk, 0.25 dwan
13:17 Dan_D Quote: "minetest.set_timeofday(val): val: 0...1; 0 = midnight, 0.5 = midday"
13:18 Dan_D The whole code is:
13:18 Dan_D minetest.register_tool("castle:day_orb", {
13:18 Dan_D description = "Orb of Day",
13:18 Dan_D inventory_image = "castle_day.png",
13:18 Dan_D on_use = minetest.set_timeofday("0.3"),
13:18 Dan_D })
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13:19 Dan_D Woops
13:19 nore Dan_D, it can't work like that
13:19 UniversalBuilder How come I can't log in with my normal account in minetest however, the guest account works???
13:19 Dan_D How then?
13:19 UniversalBuilder This is for the Landrush server
13:19 nore you need to write: on_use = function() ... end
13:20 Dan_D Ok...
13:20 UniversalBuilder when I log in with this account (The Universal Builder), an error message appears and says minetest exe not working
13:20 Dan_D The apple doesn't need that for eating
13:21 Dan_D This is weird.
13:21 chlue UniversalBuilder: I can connect. Maybee you got yourself banned? Or the client is too old and it only breaks if you have something special in your inventory?
13:22 nore Dan_D, it is because item_eat returns another function
13:23 UniversalBuilder @Chlue, im sure i did not get banned
13:23 UniversalBuilder I idd nothing wron
13:23 UniversalBuilder g
13:23 Dan_D Oh
13:23 UniversalBuilder And I reinstalled the latest version, which I already had
13:24 chlue UniversalBuilder: I just saw your connect msg and some time later a timeout msg.
13:24 Dan_D I may do it differently the
13:24 chlue UniversalBuilder: Maybee take a look at debug.txt. Some people in the forum reported issues too
13:24 UniversalBuilder Yeah
13:25 UniversalBuilder Ok thanks
13:25 UniversalBuilder Ok, I cut it
13:26 UniversalBuilder should i paste it in the forum?
13:26 UniversalBuilder and if so, where?
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13:27 chlue UniversalBuilder: If it is the same as the other people posted than there is likely nothing to gain. Otherwise I would post in the server forum thread with a code snippet of the relevant part (if is is <<100 lines)
13:28 chlue btw are you on windows or run linux with your own client build?
13:28 UniversalBuilder Windows
13:28 mahomet i'm on FreeBSD
13:28 UniversalBuilder 7
13:29 mahomet stuck on a framebuffer console, which weechat seems to dislike
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13:42 DutchGamer2013 hi
13:43 VanessaE hi
13:43 DutchGamer2013 he is now loading
13:43 VanessaE ok
13:43 DutchGamer2013 and this is the first time i use irc haha
13:43 VanessaE wrong network though :)
13:43 DutchGamer2013 what you mean?
13:43 VanessaE this channel is general minetest dicussion
13:43 DutchGamer2013 yeah
13:43 DutchGamer2013 oh
13:43 VanessaE welcome though :)
13:43 Dan_D Should an 'orb'to set the time to day be one use only? Or infinite?
13:43 DutchGamer2013 how can i come in the good one?
13:43 VanessaE my channel is on irc.inchra.net #minetest
13:44 DutchGamer2013 how come i get there?
13:44 VanessaE /server irc.inchra.net
13:44 VanessaE /join #minetest
13:44 VanessaE but you can stay in here too
13:44 VanessaE this channel is good too
13:45 DutchGamer2013 no know i try to in the good one
13:45 DutchGamer2013 haha
13:45 DutchGamer2013 http://irc.lc/inchra/InchraNet/Inchra@@@
13:45 DutchGamer2013 that site?
13:47 VanessaE yep
13:47 DutchGamer2013 im in that site
13:47 DutchGamer2013 but i dont see your name
13:47 VanessaE you need to join the channel #minetest
13:48 VanessaE put a nick name and use channel #minetest
13:48 VanessaE then hit 'join'
13:48 VanessaE er hit 'start'
13:49 DutchGamer2013 oke
13:49 DutchGamer2013 he said failed to conection
13:50 Dan_D If obsidian represents night, what node means day?
13:51 Dan_D Not torches or lava
13:51 Dan_D And not fire, because it is unobtainable
13:52 Dan_D Maybe lava buckets?
13:52 Dan_D bucket:bucket_lava
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13:54 VanessaE I would say that a super glow glass does.
13:55 VanessaE it's the brightest object I know of
13:55 VanessaE short of the sun itself
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13:55 Dan_D I mean in default Mt
13:56 Dan_D Maybe torch? IDK
13:56 Dan_D I would say fire if only it was obtainable in survival
13:57 VanessaE idk
13:57 * VanessaE looks
13:57 Dan_D Whatever is obtainable in survival will do.
13:58 VanessaE argh
13:58 VanessaE G*d damn this inventory bug
13:58 VanessaE even happens on single player
13:59 Dan_D What about a lava bucket
13:59 Dan_D Which when used in the craft returns an empty bucket
13:59 VanessaE how about diamond blocks?
14:00 VanessaE diamond is often sold for its "fire" (it's shiny, multi-faceted reflective properties)
14:00 VanessaE irl I mean
14:00 sfan5 !op
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14:01 sfan5 !deop
14:02 Dan_D I may use lava buckets then I think.
14:02 Dan_D Diamonds arenot orange.
14:02 VanessaE why does it have to be orange?
14:02 Dan_D I would use mese, but that is quite expensive.
14:02 Dan_D Because the craft result is orange
14:02 VanessaE mese is cheap
14:02 Dan_D What about mesecrystal fragments?
14:03 Dan_D Is it default:mese_crystal_fragment?
14:04 VanessaE oh btw those HDX minegeld I meant to show you, http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vaness​a/hobbies/minetest/images/minegeld.png -- http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa​/hobbies/minetest/images/minegeld_5.png -- http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/​hobbies/minetest/images/minegeld_10.png
14:04 VanessaE (I have not drawn the new 5mg and 10mg notes yet)
14:05 Dan_D They are the ones for use in the texture pack? Or the mod? Also, I will definately change to the notes rather than stacks.
14:05 Dan_D PS: AWESOME!!!
14:05 VanessaE those are for HDX.
14:05 VanessaE for the mod I will draw pixel art
14:05 Dan_D Yay thanks
14:10 Dan_D Can you update castle on your server?
14:11 VanessaE why?
14:11 Dan_D I just did an update, durr :P
14:12 VanessaE well no shit, sherlock :)
14:12 VanessaE what's the update
14:12 Dan_D Magical Time Orbs
14:12 Dan_D They don't rollback, don't worry
14:12 VanessaE orbs that can set night/day?
14:12 Dan_D Yes
14:12 VanessaE no.
14:12 Dan_D Please
14:12 VanessaE I will not.
14:12 Dan_D Plzzzzz
14:12 Dan_D Why not anyway?
14:13 Dan_D Got you there
14:13 Dan_D Imagine orbsthat could rollback... that would be deadly.
14:13 Dan_D Anyway, can you at least keep the day orb?
14:14 Dan_D Because of my low screen brightness, I can't ever see anything in the Mt night
14:14 VanessaE no, no and no.
14:14 Dan_D WHY?
14:15 VanessaE because I don't want people being able to change the time of day at all
14:15 Dan_D So you want me to only be able to play in the MInetest day? That is weird
14:15 Exio4 cheat and make the night brighter
14:16 Dan_D On VanessaE's server? How?
14:16 VanessaE fix your video driver.
14:16 Dan_D 'Fix it' How?
14:17 Exio4 Dan_D: light.cpp
14:17 Dan_D And what is wrong with magic orbs? If you remove them from creative inventory, no-one will ever be able to find them and make them, except from me.
14:17 Exio4 there are various light 'tablets'
14:18 Dan_D Exio4: I am not going to compile anything myself, too much hassle.
14:18 Dan_D Please VanessaE?
14:18 Exio4 someone, make a fake_time to someone's play
14:18 Dan_D Please VanessaE??
14:19 Dan_D *wails* Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy??????????
14:19 Dan_D What is the problem withmagic orbs, seriously?
14:19 Dan_D PLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZ
14:19 Exio4 what is wrong with compiling it yourself
14:19 Exio4 and stop flooding
14:19 Dan_D I have no idea how to and don't want to re-compile with every nightly update
14:20 Exio4 after you did it for one time, recompiling it is uber-easy
14:20 Dan_D So, VanessaE, how about updating Castle then?
14:20 Exio4 like, when compiling @ desktop it is just "git pull; make -j7"
14:21 Dan_D VanessaE, how do you know that I may have included a hidden cheat that is only removable with the update?
14:21 Dan_D ie, a cheat in the currenct version.
14:21 Dan_D Also, how long till the new textures are done?
14:22 Dan_D VanessaE? You there?
14:23 Exio4 tf?
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14:43 Rhy5 Ok Esteban
14:43 Esteban97 :D
14:43 Rhy5 Now if you get a Guest name
14:44 Rhy5 Do /nick another user
14:44 Rhy5 Lets Whois. :)
14:44 Esteban97 ok
14:44 Rhy5 And Exit from Minetest. :)
14:44 Esteban97 how i do that again? XD
14:44 Rhy5 Just click my name
14:44 Rhy5 And press query
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14:56 VanessaE G*d damn he's impatient
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15:07 dante123 hi all
15:08 VanessaE hi
15:08 dante123 Teaching continents and oceans to grade 2 and 3 students......I would like to be able to create a "map" with seven "mini" continents.  Is this possible?  Has it already been done?
15:08 sfan5[Mac] WorldEdit _may_ help
15:08 dante123 Basically I would asign students in groups to build on their continent
15:09 VanessaE you'll basically have to do that yourself
15:09 VanessaE I don't know of any map seed that would generate anything even close to that
15:09 dante123 I have worldedit 1.0 with 4.7 minetest.  I want to start with a blank map where I can then create the mini continents
15:09 dante123 Is this possible
15:09 sfan5[Mac] yes
15:09 sfan5[Mac] singlenode mapgen
15:09 sfan5[Mac] ..
15:10 VanessaE blank map is easy enough..
15:10 VanessaE what he said.
15:10 dante123 Okay, newbie here, walk me through basics....start minetest, enter worldedit command singlenode mapgen?
15:10 sfan5[Mac] no
15:10 sfan5[Mac] start world
15:10 VanessaE maybe some kind of script to read through a drawing of the 7 continents (e.g. on a Mercator projection) and generate a WE file of it
15:10 VanessaE then you could import it
15:11 dante123 im over my head already
15:11 dante123 ;-)
15:11 sfan5[Mac] (go out of the world); delete map.sqlite; change the mapgen line of world.mt to "mapgen = singlenode"; go into world
15:11 * VanessaE imagines compressing the entire earth surface down into something roughly 1x1km in size :)
15:11 sfan5[Mac] do //pos1; move a bit; do //pos2; //set water_source
15:12 sfan5[Mac] you only need to make a big enough ocean
15:12 sfan5[Mac] for the rest read the worldedit command reference
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15:12 sfan5[Mac] tip: //sphere or similar helps
15:13 vytautas Hi, attempt to use numeric keyboard on server adress field gives error
15:13 sfan5[Mac] vytautas: you use linux, right?
15:13 vytautas right
15:13 dante123 i deleted map.sqlite, and then went into world.mt but there is no mapgen line, do I just create a new one
15:13 sfan5[Mac] I have this problem too (on my linux machine)
15:13 sfan5[Mac] you simply can't
15:14 sfan5[Mac] dante123: I meant a "mg_name" line in map_meta.txt
15:15 dante123 is comment in world.mt # or ;
15:15 sfan5[Mac] #
15:16 dante123 mg_name = v6 is what is there now,  change to mg_name = singlenode?
15:17 sfan5[Mac] yes
15:17 dante123 there is a whole bunk of lines after that starting with mgv6_
15:17 sfan5[Mac] ignore that
15:17 dante123 delete those or ignore
15:17 dante123 ?
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15:18 sfan5[Mac] just ignore them
15:18 dante123 okay here goes
15:18 chlue hm just to understand this. A mapchunk can only store 49 entities on disk and if there are more then I get this errors and they are erased? "Trying to store id=51 statically but block (4,0,-2) already contains 49 objects. Forcing delete."
15:20 dante123 okay im in the world and its night....but i think there is only sky at this point
15:21 dante123 cant seem to do anything
15:22 sfan5[Mac] dante123: you can move but the world is completely empty
15:22 sfan5[Mac] do //pos1
15:22 sfan5[Mac] move around
15:22 sfan5[Mac] do //pos2
15:22 sfan5[Mac] and //set stone
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15:22 sfan5[Mac] chlue: yes
15:22 Dan_D Is VanessaE there? This is NOT a plea for magic orbs
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15:23 Dan_D If so, can you update castle again? Remove the magic orbs if you wish. The main update is a ropebox, a bit like the current one, that looks far better, and also better rope nodebox, AND textures
15:24 dante123 do I have to grant myself worldedit?
15:24 dante123 it doesnt recognize //pos1 commands
15:25 Dan_D Do: /grant playername worldedit
15:25 dante123 did that and returned unkown priviledge
15:26 sfan5[Mac] dante123: did you enable worldedit in the configure menu?
15:27 sfan5[Mac] anyway, how big do you want the continents?
15:27 dante123 im an idiot.....will go back
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15:29 dante123 failed to load and run then gives path to .minetests/mods/minetest/worldedit/init.lua
15:29 dante123 this after i enabled worldedit in configure menu
15:30 VanessaE Dan_D: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vaness​a/hobbies/minetest/images/minegeld.png
15:30 Dan_D Thanks
15:30 VanessaE not done with it yet, but that's the gist of it.
15:30 sfan5 dante123: you need 0.4.7-dev
15:31 dante123 okay, only have 0.4.7
15:31 dante123 regular
15:31 VanessaE Dan_D: over here.
15:31 sfan5 Dan_D: just downlod this build https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=113227#p113227
15:31 Dan_D Ok
15:32 Dan_D Why that buildin particular?
15:32 sfan5 Dan_D: oops
15:32 sfan5 ignore that
15:32 sfan5 dante123: just downlod this build https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=113227#p113227
15:33 Dan_D But why?
15:33 Dan_D Also, what is the sudo apt-get command for that build?If none, I won't get it
15:34 sfan5 Dan_D: why what?
15:34 Dan_D And VanessaE, can you update castle? I have even just rebuilt my mine in preparation...
15:34 VanessaE after you add those two options I asked for
15:34 Dan_D sfan5: Why should I download that build, and not keep using the one I have, which was gotten day before yesterday?
15:35 sfan5 Dan_D: THAT MESSAGE WAS NOT FOR YOU
15:35 sfan5 <sfan5> ignore that
15:35 sfan5 so hard to understand... geez
15:35 Dan_D And VanessaE, you asked for one option, and I actually have no idea how to do it.
15:35 Dan_D Why not just open init.lua, and remove the orbs code, at the bottom?
15:36 VanessaE Dan_D: disable the orb and rope blocks you have.  just wrap your register_node() calls and any relates abms in something like if "enable_blah" then ...code... end
15:36 VanessaE related*
15:36 Shambles_1 Are any of the mods on http://minetest.net/mods redundant (e.g. MOB Framework and Simple Mobs?) or obsolete (e.g. Farming?)?  Are there any others you would recommend to someone wanting more aggressive enemies, and Red Power 2, ComputerCraft, Industrycraft 2, and Buildcraft - like features?
15:36 VanessaE because manually editing your mods every time you send an update will become increasingly cumbersone
15:36 Dan_D VanessaE, I really want that ropebox. PLease!!!!!!
15:36 VanessaE cumbersome*
15:36 VanessaE no!! there's already a perfectly serviceable one on the server
15:36 sfan5 Shambles_1: try technic and mesecons
15:37 Dan_D I specifically made that second update for the ropebox, because the current server one makes some retarded blackrope stuff
15:37 VanessaE blackope?
15:37 Dan_D And I hate the current ropebox textures
15:37 VanessaE blackrope?
15:37 Dan_D Weird black rope
15:37 Dan_D And my one looks likea pulley
15:37 Dan_D And extends faster
15:37 Dan_D And is so much more sexy
15:38 Dan_D And is... is... oh, pleeeease?
15:38 Shambles_1 sfan: Those are listed on the page I mentioned, and look good.  They seem to be missing the turtles, but I found this mod: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6291 though I'm not sure it's the best one for that feature.
15:38 dante123 im on linux
15:38 dante123 sfan5
15:38 Dan_D Actually, don't update yet, I haven't added the recipe...ooops...
15:38 sfan5 dante123: oh.. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837
15:39 sfan5 Shambles_1: you are free to try any mod :P
15:40 Shambles_1 sfan5: I was hoping for pointers from people that had already tried a lot of mods since I first ran Minetest yesterday.  The features I mentioned are the main ones I miss from Minecraft.
15:42 chlue Shambles_1 I propose you take a look at the online servers to see many mods in action to get an idea what you want. VannesaE's seem to be the best one for this because I guess she has installed every mod available and a dozen more
15:42 Dan_D Ok VanessaE, I have at least made orbs have it'sown lua file, so delete that, and the dofile in init.lua.
15:42 Shambles_1 chlue: How am I to know what mod provided what feature I'm looking for?
15:42 Dan_D Other than that, I don't know how to do any more
15:43 VanessaE do the same for the ropeblock thing
15:43 Dan_D Man, I WANT THE ROPEBOX!
15:43 VanessaE no
15:44 Dan_D I really want that, I rebuilt my mine entrance for it, I made it specially for the server goddamit!
15:44 Dan_D And 1 node really makes such a huge difference to the server??
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15:45 chlue Shambles_1: thats the hard part, but you can get a list of the mods via the /mod command and can guess a lot from the item names.
15:46 Dan_D And VanessaE, why did you close down the inchra #minetest channel?
15:46 Dan_D And whatthe
15:46 Dan_D *woops
15:46 Dan_D Ignore that ^^
15:47 VanessaE Dan_D: in fact, yes it does - see shadow and nore's work on technic switching station. :)
15:47 sfan5 Shambles_1: /mods not /mod
15:47 VanessaE 1 node now consumes 1/10 the CPU it did before :)
15:47 VanessaE autocrafter got a similar update yesterday
15:47 Dan_D Ah, but 1 node with low lag and simple functionality will make a huge difference?
15:47 VanessaE besides, you could have at least asked me about your plan you know
15:47 Dan_D If it consumes 1/10 that is even better
15:47 Dan_D 10 times faster
15:48 * Dan_D asks you about his plan
15:48 VanessaE *before* you coded it you dork
15:48 VanessaE :)
15:48 Dan_D Well, what about now? *imagine that coding hasn't been done yet*
15:49 * VanessaE wanders off to finish texturing.
15:49 Dan_D What is really the problem with it?My netbook copes with it absolutely fine.
15:49 Dan_D Why did you clode down the Inchra channel?
15:50 Dan_D *cose
15:50 Shambles_1 Alright.  I was hoping for more advice than "try all the mods yourself".  It looks like this is the information for VanessaE's server is at https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7017  I don't seem to need any registration, but I'm not sure.  I usually/prefer-to play offline or with friends-only.
15:50 Dan_D *close
15:50 Dan_D To play just join with any username and password, using a very up-to-date Minetest build
15:51 Shambles_1 Is 'very up to date' the stable download on the Minetest website?
15:51 VanessaE Shambles_1: simply sign onto the server with a username and password of your choice, give me time to get around to giving you interact :)  and start playing
15:51 VanessaE no
15:51 VanessaE as it says there, stable will not work
15:52 VanessaE dan, the channel isn't closed?
15:52 Dan_D Ok...
15:52 Dan_D When I join, I am the only person on it,aside from chanserv
15:52 VanessaE you're on the wrong channel then
15:53 VanessaE irc.inchra.net  #minetest
15:53 Dan_D #minetest on irc.inchra.net
15:53 Dan_D It worked a couple of minutes ago
15:53 VanessaE I'm there along with a dozen others
15:53 VanessaE including four active server bots
15:54 Dan_D Weird
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15:54 Dan_D Anyway, what is wrong with adding a simple ropebox? You didn't have any qualms about tapestries or anything.
15:55 Shambles_1 VanessaE: I'm looking at the list of Windows 32-bit builds.  I'm not sure what the difference is between them since they don't seem to have any added features.  They're just basically 'nightly' builds.
15:55 Dan_D They have many more features
15:55 Dan_D EG Drowning
15:57 VanessaE Shambles_1: any of the nightly builds will do
15:57 rubenwardy Hi all
15:57 Dan_D Nope, still can't connect to the server channels...
15:57 VanessaE as long as it's newer than July 22.
15:57 VanessaE hi rubenwardy
15:58 Dan_D VanessaE, what is the actual problem with ropebox?
15:58 VanessaE Dan_D: the fact that we already have one (provided by the vines mod)
15:58 Dan_D But that is ugly
15:59 Dan_D And I thought it came from a ropes mod?
15:59 VanessaE so offer up new textures for it?
15:59 Dan_D Mine has a customnodebox remeber
16:01 * VanessaE looks at her completed minegeld textures...
16:01 VanessaE 1 mg in green, 5 (light blue), 10 (brick red)
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16:02 Shambles_1 VanessaE: Is the mod list on your forum post up to date?
16:02 VanessaE mostly so, yes
16:02 Shambles_1 VanessaE: Thanks.
16:03 zsoltisawesome XD the fox says woof woof
16:07 Dan_D Please VanessaE?
16:07 Dan_D I SOOOOOOOOOO want that new ropebox.
16:07 Dan_D Think of it as a pulley.For decoration.With built-in rope unravelling
16:08 VanessaE dan, the minegeld textures are ready.
16:09 VanessaE ok I'll bring in the rope block
16:10 VanessaE but this is the last new thing I am bringing in without prior discussion
16:11 VanessaE meanwhile, http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vaness​a/hobbies/minetest/images/minegeld.png  (and minegeld_5.png and minegeld_10.png)
16:12 sfan5 >.<
16:12 Dan_D Ok Vanessae
16:13 VanessaE merge those into the currency mod and I'll pull that and update the server.
16:18 VanessaE *waits*
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16:19 dante123 okay sfan5
16:20 dante123 im in the world and i did the //pos1 //pos2 //set stone
16:20 dante123 saw something but i keel falling and lost sight of it
16:20 chlue give yourself fly privilege and go back up
16:21 Dan_D VanessaE, I still can't connect to inchra channel.
16:21 dante123 k for fly?
16:21 Dan_D Yes
16:21 VanessaE dan, forget it for now, read above.
16:22 VanessaE merge in those textures please
16:22 Dan_D Ok. How do I find them?
16:22 VanessaE so I can update the server
16:22 VanessaE [10-05 12:16] <VanessaE> meanwhile, http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vaness​a/hobbies/minetest/images/minegeld.png  (and minegeld_5.png and minegeld_10.png)
16:22 Dan_D Ah
16:22 Dan_D They look cool
16:22 Dan_D Won't be long
16:22 dante123 doesnt seem to work
16:23 dante123 I did /grant Name fly and it shows up....but I cant seem to fly up even after hitting K
16:23 sfan5 dante123: /grant singleplayer all and /teleport 0,0,0
16:23 khonkhortisan Dan_D, I just joined it. There's 14 people on.
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16:24 Dan_D Weird
16:25 Dan_D VanessaE, I have added the new textures
16:26 Dan_D It is irc.inchra.net,channel #minetest?
16:26 Dan_D Ah, it worked that time
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16:33 zat Someone knows how can I eval Lua on the server, sent from my game?
16:33 zat like /eval asadsdsadsaadsads
16:33 zat or maybe /servereval saddsadasdsa
16:33 us`0gb Pass it to os.execute(), maybe?
16:34 PilzAdam "eval" isnt a word
16:35 us`0gb Sorry, my solution won't work. I misread the question.
16:35 us`0gb You might need to build a Lua parser - in Lua.
16:35 zat PilzAdam: a word?
16:37 dante123 I'm still having difficulties.  I think this is over my head.  If anyone wanted to make a map with the seven continents (basically flat) and oceans in between then the students could then build on top of them.  It would be a great way to use/promote minetest in the classroom.
16:37 dante123 I would assign each group to a continent and then they would build it up from the flat land
16:38 VanessaE zat: use a mesecons command block or worldedit.
16:38 VanessaE both of those have the ability to execute lua instructions to some degree
16:38 dante123 I'm getting all confused with worldedit
16:38 zat interesting... VanessaE, I was thinking of worldedit.
16:38 zat dante123: worldedit is super simple, what is your problem with it?
16:39 nore doing loadstring(...)() would work, wouldn't it?
16:39 dante123 "I keep falling and I can't get up"   ;-)
16:39 zat dante123: sounds like a dream.
16:39 dante123 I do the //pos1 then move then pos2 then set stone and I fall.....cant get back to what I just set
16:40 dante123 I think the problem is that I need to clear out all my stuff and start fresh.......will likely move to my other computer that has nothing on it and start there.
16:40 dante123 also need to have the dev version.....
16:40 zat should not happen... though I dont really undertand what you mean with falling.
16:41 dante123 I mean like I see a line of cubes (the rest of the world is all sky, no land) and I'm falling and its getting father away and i try to fly back up to it and cant
16:42 chlue dante123: maybee for your initial tests start with a normal world so you have ground under your feets then you can solve your fly privilege part and learn basic worldedits commands there first.
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16:43 MinetestBot GIT: us_0gb@laptop-0gb-us.0gb.us commited to minetest/minetest: Remove mapgen_air alias (#935) afb27329fc 2013-10-05T09:42:31-07:00 http://git.io/rdjIww
16:44 us`0gb How does GitHub know my laptop's name?
16:44 Calinou where?
16:44 us`0gb GIT: us_0gb@laptop-0gb-us.0gb.us commited
16:45 Calinou that's your hostname
16:45 us`0gb Hmm. It even got the full name. Most thinks cut off everything after and including the first dot.
16:46 chlue domain name ending in us and you wonder that your pc does not know everything about you?
16:46 us`0gb *things
16:46 us`0gb Yeah, the lack of whois privacy in the .us TLD is sad.
16:47 us`0gb But that doesn't explain how it got the name to start with.
16:47 us`0gb I guess my machine sent it with the commit though.
16:47 Calinou blame ICANN
16:47 Calinou also, subdomains ftw
16:47 zat us`0gb: is it your laptop hostname?
16:48 us`0gb If it had my real name, the .us TLD would be to blame. But that's not what it has, so the .us TLD-specific issues are not relevant.
16:48 us`0gb zat, yes it is.
16:48 us`0gb Calinou, I subdomain all my machines. I don't like remembering their IP addresses.
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16:49 us`0gb I think I might be on 10.0.0.200 right now, but I'm not even sure.
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16:52 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest_game: Remove mapgen_air alias cf6f458906 2013-10-05T09:50:33-07:00 http://git.io/3gnRcg
16:54 zat us`0gb: well, git always use your hostname unless specified otherwise in your config.
16:54 zat afaik, iirc, wtf, rofl
16:55 us`0gb I see. I might need to change that then. Not to hide, but to shorten it. "-0gb-us.0gb.us" is sort of redundant.
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16:55 zat why dont you wall yourself 0gangbang instead :D
16:55 us`0gb And no one needs to know I'm on my laptop.
16:55 zat lol eh...
16:56 us`0gb Wall myself? What?
16:56 zat call*
16:56 zat call!
16:56 Calinou call inou
16:57 us`0gb I give up. I wanted to set this up without help, but I don;t seem to be able to. How do I capture the output of grep in a variable in sh?
16:58 us`0gb If possible, capturing a subpattern within the match would be even better.
17:00 us`0gb Never mind. Figured the first one out.
17:01 us`0gb If someone knows how to do the second though, that would be awesome.
17:02 zat inou
17:02 kahrl I think you have to use sed / awk / perl for the second one
17:02 zat grep can capture subpatterns too
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17:03 zat var=$(whatever | grep -oE "regexp")
17:03 zat I think
17:04 zat $ lol=$(echo "aeiou" | grep -oE "ae")
17:04 zat $ echo $lol; // ae
17:04 zat yes it does
17:05 kahrl well that captures the whole pattern but not a subpattern
17:05 zat wait wat do you mean by subpattern
17:05 zat the o switch makes it print only the matched regexp, or need something else?
17:06 us`0gb I need to find "example_key = <value>" and capture <value>.
17:06 kahrl something like ([0-9]{4})-([0-9]{2})-([0-9]{2}) has three subpatterns
17:06 kahrl (this is not supported by grep)
17:06 zat I think that sed would suit better there
17:06 us`0gb Okay. In sed, after finding the substring, how do I conditionally replace it based on its current value? I was hoping to put the conditional statement before reaching sed, but if it can be done in sed, that's just as well.
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17:07 zat what about:
17:07 zat echo "sadads value=roflol adsdssad" | grep -oE "value=[a-z]+" | sed "s|.*=||g"
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17:11 zat us`0gb: give me an example of that condition plz
17:12 us`0gb zat, how do I make that work with spaces? Your example uses "<key>=<value>" but the file has "<key> = <value>".
17:13 zat now give me a real example of the string to try against it
17:13 us`0gb Example: "example_key = <value>" is in a file, and I need to find and conditionally replace <value>.
17:13 chlue Do I get this correct, the server tries to internally run at 30 'fps'?
17:13 zat replace it with what?
17:13 us`0gb "<value>" is as good a string as any.
17:13 zat oks
17:14 us`0gb It depends on the value. Okay, hold on ....
17:15 us`0gb Let's go with week days. If example_key == "Monday" set example_key = "Tuesday", for each day.
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17:18 zat us`0gb: can example_key be different ir you expect it to be the same for all ocurrences?
17:18 us`0gb It will always be the same.
17:18 zat the == is correct for the same one?
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17:19 us`0gb Sorry, I mixed languages there ... my bad. It will always be " = ", including spaces.
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17:22 zat us`0gb: does this work?
17:22 zat sed "s|\(example_key *= *.\)Monday\(.\)|\1Tuesday\2|gi" <filetochange>
17:22 zat Should not modify the file unless you add an -i flag just after sed, but BE CAREFUL and be really sure before doing it.
17:23 us`0gb Okay, thanks!
17:23 zat did it work us`0gb'
17:23 us`0gb If run for each day though, won't it set it to the last day?
17:23 zat what do you mean?
17:24 zat that it will always be Tuesday?
17:24 us`0gb For example, if Monday, set to Tuesday, then if Tuesday, set to Wednesday, et cetera, so the end result is always Sunday.
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17:25 us`0gb Because sed is called seven times, one for each condition.
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17:27 zat You want to actually add one day to each occurrence?
17:27 us`0gb Correct.
17:28 us`0gb SO I don't know the current day, but I want to increment it.
17:28 us`0gb *So
17:28 zat current... if it is the current day, you somehow pass it to sed I guess
17:29 us`0gb Current according to the file, not according to the calendar.
17:29 zat how many different days can the single file hold at the same time?
17:29 zsoltisawesome sleep $((60*60*60*24))
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17:30 zsoltisawesome :p
17:30 us`0gb One, because there is only one example_key.
17:30 zat you can make a script that takes the current day and replaces accordingly
17:31 us`0gb zat, that's what I'm trying to do.
17:31 zat so far I have seen you just want to change mondays to tuesdays :)
17:31 zsoltisawesome Like if its Friday then it should be saterday?
17:31 us`0gb Okay, I didn't explain myself well enough then. My apologies.
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17:31 us`0gb zsoltisawesome, yes.
17:32 zsoltisawesome Can't you do that with a billion if...then's?
17:32 zat us`0gb: hold on I can make the script
17:33 us`0gb zsoltisawesome, if I could get the value from grep as I was trying to do, then yes.
17:33 us`0gb But if I have to do it after reaching sed, I'm already at the replacement stage.
17:33 zsoltisawesome Ah ol
17:35 zsoltisawesome As a sidenote: how to make all the water in the world turn to a different block with a chat command?
17:36 us`0gb The whole world isn't loaded, so that can't be done.
17:36 zsoltisawesome Well all of it that is :P
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17:36 us`0gb Okay, I'll look up the stuff. Hold on.
17:37 john_minetest Hello everypony
17:37 VanessaE hi
17:38 zsoltisawesome *brohoof*
17:41 zat us`0gb: still not found how to do it?
17:41 zat I can give you the script
17:41 us`0gb I can't seem to do it before reaching sed, and after seems to cause problems.
17:41 us`0gb Thanks!
17:42 zat days have to be case sensitive or first char capitalized?
17:43 us`0gb assume whichever is easier. The file will always use the same case, so case sensitive works, but so does insensitive.
17:43 us`0gb *Assume
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17:44 zsoltisawesome The fox says woof woof
17:46 * john_minetest brohoofes back
17:53 * VanessaE grumbles at her mouse's dying middle button...
17:53 VanessaE I did NOT feel like tearing this thing apart to fix it, damn it
17:56 Hunterz hmm, water bugs cause fps drops
17:58 zat us`0gb: are they always quoted?
17:58 us`0gb They are never quoted.
17:59 zat good
18:00 VanessaE there, grabbed the spare mouse.  exact same make and model, and somehow it's in better shape than the regular one.  maybe I mixed the two up at some point recently.
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18:00 VanessaE *tosses bad one in spares box*
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18:09 zat us`0gb: http://pastebin.com/qF9q7yuh
18:09 zat Bash... oh god... it is so damn ugly coding in bash, it gave me cancer.
18:09 Exio4 bash is cute
18:09 us`0gb I'm sorry ....
18:09 zat you run that script by giving the file to alter as an argument
18:10 zat script.sh filetoalter
18:12 Miner_48er VanessaE where did the irc move to?
18:12 VanessaE horus.inchra.net #minetet
18:12 VanessaE horus.inchra.net #minetest **
18:12 zat us`0gb: better.... bash script.sh filetoalter, unless you add #!/bin/bash in the first line and +x permission to the script.
18:24 us`0gb zat, What is the @ in "for str in "${days[@]}"; do"
18:27 Exio4 the fuck
18:27 zat first of all us`0gb, replace the second line
18:27 zat to: old=$(grep -iE "example_pattern\ *=" $@ | sed "s|$pattern|\2|gi")
18:27 Exio4 that isn't bash
18:28 zat us`0gb: @ must be an operator to step one by one the indexes
18:29 us`0gb Okay. Thanks!
18:29 Exio4 it shows the values, not the indexes
18:29 zat like a next() in PHP or like saying for x in arr in Javascript.
18:29 Exio4 for the index you use #
18:29 zat so it returns the current value and steps one the index
18:29 zat get it us`0gb?
18:29 Exio4 a=(a b c), ${a[@]} => a b c, ${#a[@]} => 0 1 2
18:30 Exio4 and it doesn't do that either, it isn't an iterator, it returns all the values
18:30 us`0gb YEah, I think so.
18:30 zat Thanks Exio4
18:30 Exio4 zat, bash es un lenguaje de scripting "nomas"
18:30 zat Bash is kind of un-understandable
18:31 Exio4 no, it is a scripting language, not the one where you code a graphical engine
18:31 zat I have read somewhere examples like for str in value1 value2 value3
18:31 zat so itmust be that
18:31 zat or (value1 value2 ...)
18:31 Exio4 for a in (a b c) doesn't work
18:31 zat yes Exio4 I got it
18:32 zat must be that way so it is easier to parse arguments $@
18:32 Exio4 en bash usas comillas en todos lados bt, te las olvidaste en :17
18:33 zat well, it worked
18:33 Exio4 inb4 code exploit
18:34 Exio4 y usas [[ ]] si es bash, [ ] es test/sh-compatible
18:34 Exio4 y podes usar ==, y en el $i too
18:34 zat We both speak Spanish but I don’t think other can understand
18:34 Calinou <VanessaE> horus.inchra.net #minetest <= what's that? :o
18:34 VanessaE shadowninja's irc server
18:34 zat and you know... English speakers for some reason do not like people speaking foreign languages...
18:35 VanessaE we use it for networking minetest servers' chats together
18:35 Exio4 fuck
18:35 Exio4 didn't realize i was switching to spanish that fast
18:35 sfan5 lol
18:41 Naked video card driver update time
18:43 pitriss please can anybody tell me how i can download older technic version from git? I mean that version with more expensive recipes.. latest version is so not challenging
18:47 thexyz pitriss: well if you don't have any experience with git the easiest way would be to browse this page https://github.com/minetest-t​echnic/technic/commits/master then click "browse code" on some commit, then "Download ZIP"
18:49 pitriss thexyz: okay.. I will try to find correct commit..
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18:56 NekoGloop So why are recipe handlers hardcoded
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19:00 sfan5 NekoGloop: because you are a kitten
19:00 NekoGloop ... damn.
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19:38 zat Is there a way to paste text from the clipboard into minetest ingame console?
19:38 chlue VanessaE: Do you have a map available where a laser beam from technic is stuck?
19:39 VanessaE nope
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19:42 Exio4 zat: if irrlicht's copy-paste worked under linux...
19:43 zat Exio4: so is there a way or not?
19:43 chlue I wonder if they dissapear with a small tweak to the code, but I have no broken one available.
19:43 us`0gb zat, if you use KDE, you can paste into Minetest.
19:44 PilzAdam but you need to select the paste in klipper first and hit Ctrl+V twice
19:44 us`0gb (I don't use KDE either.)
19:44 PilzAdam its not really handy
19:44 zat uh ye
20:03 Shambles_1 VanessaE: Thanks for making Pipeworks.
20:04 VanessaE you're welcome :)
20:04 VanessaE I had\ a lot of help
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20:30 thegamilyfrog66 howdy folks
20:36 VanessaE hi
20:36 us`0gb Hello!
20:37 thexyz http://appmaker.mozillalabs.com/ anyone?
20:42 thegamilyfrog66 anyone here experts at player:set_properties?
20:42 zat anyone using such a thing hardly can be considered a developer...
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20:44 sfan5 thexyz: seems interesting
20:46 thegamilyfrog66 can someone explain to me how to set the y value of a player's "centre" (i.e. line of sight)?
20:47 thegamilyfrog66 and have it persist
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20:52 john_minetest http://i.imgur.com/Tvb6tfE.png
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20:56 zat that kind of tools (appmaker on mozillalabs) are the ones responsible of making think amateur designers they can develop too.
20:56 zat or think that developers just drag and drop visual tools and hit on a button to make an “app” (because they also call everything an app)
20:59 thexyz hrm
20:59 thexyz I always thought that kind of tools is for teaching kids
21:00 zat the result is not much different though
21:02 thexyz teaching kids to code is an important thing though
21:06 VanessaE BAHAH!  "Only you can prevent forest fires.  No, seriously.  I've been furloughed."  [image of a burnt-down forest with Smokey The Bear in front of it)
21:09 us`0gb Only you can prevent forest fire prevention.
21:09 * us`0gb gets out his can of kerosene and a lighter
21:11 VanessaE hehehe
21:11 VanessaE us`0gb: your OCD is getting better.  you didn't correct my misused parenthesis/bracket ;)
21:12 us`0gb I didn't notice. Lough last time, I didn't really care, I was just trying to have fun.
21:12 us`0gb *Though
21:13 VanessaE hehe
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21:23 thexyz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4QVaLmMd8g
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21:39 UniversalBuilder Hello?
21:40 us`0gb Hello!
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21:52 Nocte Hmm... I think Minecraft requires some creepy music for the night time or when underground.
21:52 Nocte Minetest*
21:53 UniversalBuilder where do i place the no drowning mod in the minetest folder?>
21:56 chlue hm I tried to spead the abm calculation over 1 second instead of one big block every second. Not sure it it really helps. At least minecarts still get stuck :-(
21:57 chlue Nocte There is a mod that adds music
21:57 chlue Nocte: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2807
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22:00 Nocte Too bad you can't preview those sounds.
22:01 UniversalBuilder where do i place the no drowning mod in the minetest folder?
22:02 Nocte Does this game have Diamonds btw? :p
22:02 UniversalBuilder YES
22:03 UniversalBuilder It does
22:03 Nocte And you just place the mod where all the other mods are. :|
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22:07 UniversalBuilder but where>
22:07 UniversalBuilder I looked in the mod folder and i see no mods
22:07 Nocte Hmmm.
22:07 Nocte Hang on... Going to get the folder.
22:07 UniversalBuilder The problem is that the version of minetest has drwoning on
22:08 UniversalBuilder and the drowning mod is like not built in
22:08 UniversalBuilder :-(
22:08 UniversalBuilder *no drowning
22:08 Nocte Minetest > Games > Minetest_Game.
22:08 Nocte > Mods.
22:09 Nocte If you are on Windows that is.
22:09 UniversalBuilder i went to the mods folder and their is nothing there
22:10 Nocte Hmm. That's weird.
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22:11 Nocte PilzAdam, could you help UniversalBuilder a bit?
22:11 Nocte He's trying to install a mod.
22:13 PilzAdam UniversalBuilder, have you read http://dev.minetest.net/Installing_Mods ?
22:13 UniversalBuilder ohhh
22:13 Nocte There appears to be no mods in the usual mod folder.
22:13 UniversalBuilder I think i got ti
22:13 UniversalBuilder So my problem is that
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22:13 UniversalBuilder no
22:13 UniversalBuilder actually
22:13 Nocte Lol. 7
22:13 PilzAdam of course the mod folder is empty if you have no mods installed
22:14 Nocte Mese crystals* :|
22:14 UniversalBuilder my question is that i have a git minetest build version that enables drwoning for all servers
22:15 UniversalBuilder where would i place the no drowning mod so that whenever i go to anyone elses server, i wont be able to drow?
22:15 PilzAdam the drowning is server-side; the 0.4.7 stable client is just not able to handle it
22:15 PilzAdam you cant modify that in the client
22:16 UniversalBuilder so what should i do?
22:16 PilzAdam drown
22:16 UniversalBuilder :-(
22:16 Nocte Mese crystals... So awesome as pickaxes! :D
22:16 UniversalBuilder like could you explain what should i do?
22:17 PilzAdam if servers want you to drown then you have to drown
22:18 Nocte Heh, PilzAdam.
22:18 PilzAdam using the 0.4.7 stable client on new servers is actually like cheating, because you cant drown
22:18 chlue then release 0.4.8 *ducks and runs away*
22:19 us`0gb No, don't release it just yet.
22:19 PilzAdam chlue, 0.4.7 clients could still connect to 0.4.8 then, that doesnt help
22:19 thegamilyfrog66 Hey PilzAdam: I'm playing around with player size in a mod, but when I make the player smaller by adjusting visual_size and collisionbox values, they "hang" in the air even if I change the setpos for them. Do you know which setting I'm missing here?
22:19 UniversalBuilder well the 0.4.7 doesnt work :-(
22:19 PilzAdam what you need is set strict_protocol_version_check (or so) in minetest.conf on the server
22:19 us`0gb I thought 0.4.7 clients were not able to onnect to the dev servers right now.
22:19 UniversalBuilder and how should i do that?
22:20 chlue afaik they can connect but may crash depending on the used addons
22:20 us`0gb I know I can't connect to VanessaE's place with my stable client.
22:20 PilzAdam UniversalBuilder, there is drowning on the server, you have to live with that
22:20 PilzAdam if you disable drowning then you cheat
22:20 Nocte 63 Iron Lumps... Oh wow... I'm getting lucky.
22:21 UniversalBuilder my reason is that i want to build an underwater house
22:21 VanessaE us`0gb: only if the dev server uses more than 4094 nodes/items.
22:21 VanessaE otherwise it should work.
22:22 UniversalBuilder oh and btw everyone else in the landrush server has no drwoning on. yesterday, I had no drowning on also because i installed the latest version
22:22 PilzAdam UniversalBuilder, play on other servers then
22:22 UniversalBuilder but it doesnt work for me anymore
22:22 us`0gb Ah, got it. So that brings up a couple more questions, VanessaE. The dev version can handle more nodes? Also, items count toward the node limit?
22:22 us`0gb And are entities counted as well?
22:23 PilzAdam UniversalBuilder, if other people dont drown then they are cheaters
22:23 UniversalBuilder so you are saying that everyone in the server is a cheater?
22:23 VanessaE us`0gb: I'm not sure if craftitems count toward it, but you adjust the limit by tweaking a variable in mapnode.h
22:23 VanessaE entities, no
22:24 PilzAdam UniversalBuilder, everyone who uses a 0.4.7 stable client and doesnt drown, yes
22:24 us`0gb Ah, so that server-side tweak can be passed to lients now without the clients being tweaked? That's awesome!
22:24 chlue PilzAdam: I tried to spread the abm handling over 1s instead of calling it as a block. seems to work, but I am not sure if there are really gains given that my local load is quiet low or limited to few blocks. Was this just never tried in a sane way in the core or is that expected to not help much?
22:24 UniversalBuilder consider myself a cheater :p
22:24 PilzAdam chlue, dunno
22:24 UniversalBuilder So the only thing to prevent me from drowning is the o.4.7 stable client, right?
22:25 VanessaE chlue: try it with plantlife modpack and turn some of the mods' settings up to some insane levels
22:25 us`0gb I don't consider people using the latest stable version to be cheaters. It's the server owner's issue if they want to use the cutting-edge unstable build. THat's their right to do so, but they can't brand the latest stable people as cheaters.
22:25 VanessaE that should help you stress-test your code
22:25 PilzAdam UniversalBuilder, you could aswell just hack into the dev client
22:25 PilzAdam the result is the same
22:26 UniversalBuilder so how do i change it then?
22:26 VanessaE us`0gb: no, it's not that it can be passed along - rather you need a dev client if the number of nodes > 4094, because it's already been fixed client-side.
22:26 UniversalBuilder im not good with lua
22:27 PilzAdam youd have to modify the core source, not Lua
22:27 VanessaE server-side still presents the limit, but it's more like giving your customer a huge drinking glass but not filling it up all the way because the fountain won't let you.
22:27 us`0gb People using the unstable version are essentially beta testers. This is an important role, but those who don't fill it aren't cheaters for not filling that role.
22:27 PilzAdam but I dont tell people how to hack
22:27 PilzAdam (hack as in cheating)
22:27 UniversalBuilder Lol
22:27 UniversalBuilder Thanks for helping me though
22:27 us`0gb Fixed  client-side. Okay, gotcha'.
22:27 UniversalBuilder I appreciate it
22:28 UniversalBuilder so can anyone else tell me how to get to the core and change the files so that i cant drown?
22:28 PilzAdam <us`0gb> People using the unstable version are essentially beta testers. This is an important role, but those who don't fill it aren't cheaters for not filling that role. <- no, but people who connect with a stable client to a dev server and exploit the differences are cheaters
22:29 us`0gb PilzAdam, how do you connect to the server without exploiting the difference in drowning? It is not possible.
22:29 us`0gb THerefor, that's not cheating. It cannot be avoided.
22:29 PilzAdam if you dont dive then you dont take advantage of that
22:30 Nocte Woot: Found a diamond!
22:30 us`0gb You can't say it's cheating to dig trees without axes and give no way to get an axe without digging a tree first.
22:30 PilzAdam what?
22:30 us`0gb Treating the water like "hot lava" like a little kid is no solution.
22:31 PilzAdam people could just use dev clients to connect to dev servers
22:31 us`0gb Not everyone wants to be a beta tester. That's no solution.
22:31 Nocte So, what language is Minetest coded in?
22:31 us`0gb C++ and Lua.
22:31 PilzAdam us`0gb, if they dont want to be beta testers why do they play on dev servers?
22:32 us`0gb You can't tell from the server list which servers are unstable, PilzAdam.
22:32 us`0gb (The in-game server list.)
22:32 PilzAdam you can see that in the forum topic
22:32 us`0gb Not everyone is checks those, and no one can from the client.
22:33 us`0gb I'm not even sure all servers have a topic.
22:33 us`0gb I don;t think ShadowNinja's does.
22:33 PilzAdam the full version is printed at http://minetest.net/servers
22:33 Nocte Whoa 135 Iron lumps now, 9 Mesa crystals and 2 Diamonds so far. :D
22:34 us`0gb PilzAdam, some people use the in-game server list, not the in-browser one.
22:34 PilzAdam we should add a flag to it then
22:35 us`0gb If you add a flag to them, then MAYBE you'd have a case calling these people cheaters.
22:36 PilzAdam hm? I dont see how lack of information makes people non-cheaters if the exploit such things
22:36 UniversalBuilder whats the benifit of putting drowning on?
22:36 Nocte What sort of stuff can I make from diamonds?
22:36 us`0gb If they don't know that they are exploiting it.
22:36 PilzAdam people can cheat even if they dont know it
22:37 thegamilyfrog66 Sounds like my last date.
22:37 us`0gb If I go to a server and not drown, I don't realize everyone else IS drowning.
22:37 us`0gb I disagree. Cheating is willful.
22:37 us`0gb You can't "accidentally cheat".
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22:38 dafull97 whoo, that was work... juyst got done giving girlfriend anal >:)
22:38 PilzAdam "Cheating in video games involves a video game player using non-standard methods for creating an advantage beyond normal gameplay, usually to make the game easier."
22:38 PilzAdam no mention on doing on purpose
22:39 dafull97 whay i said?
22:39 dafull97 what*
22:39 PilzAdam (that is from wikipedia, btw)
22:39 us`0gb Accidental glitches does not seem like cheating to me. I'll back down though.
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22:40 thegamilyfrog66 Any thoughts on my earlier question, PilzAdam?
22:40 Nocte Could anyone take up the challenge and create the 'Pokémon Tower' in Minetest?
22:40 us`0gb Wait ...non-standard can include unusual-but-legitimate strategy, PilzAdam. Posibly strategy that was intended by the developer, but not many players find.
22:41 PilzAdam yes
22:41 PilzAdam http://en.wikipedia.org/wi​ki/Cheating_in_video_games
22:42 us`0gb So going after the in-game super-weapon that exists for the sole purpose of defeating the big bad would be cheating if most users don't find the weapon in time.
22:42 PilzAdam thegamilyfrog66, youd have to modify the selectionbox
22:42 PilzAdam but thats not possible for players currently, IIRC
22:43 thegamilyfrog66 ahh, shitty
22:43 PilzAdam us`0gb, no, because the super-weapon is known by all players and announced properly
22:43 thegamilyfrog66 not sure what the is point of being able to change settings for visual size and collisionbox then...
22:43 PilzAdam what the second sentence means is e.g. cheat codes
22:44 PilzAdam thegamilyfrog66, they are mainly used for Lua entities
22:44 thegamilyfrog66 I can be tiny dude, but can't touch the ground; alternatively, giant dude, stuck in ground
22:44 us`0gb PilzAdam, I'm talking about a secret super-weapon, but even if it wasn't secret, if going after is is non-standard, it's still non-standard.
22:44 PilzAdam the player has the same object settings, but you cant override all of them
22:44 chlue VanessaE: found the right command - increase the active block range from 2 to 20. That should get every system down :-)
22:44 us`0gb *it is
22:44 PilzAdam its a bit messy
22:44 thegamilyfrog66 drag
22:44 VanessaE chlue: lol
22:45 VanessaE chlue: does it work in practice? :)
22:45 PilzAdam us`0gb, depends how you define "standard"
22:45 thegamilyfrog66 I guess I can mess with simple mobs so that they shrink/grow when clicked on, that sorta thing
22:45 PilzAdam us`0gb, the secret weapong can be found by all players by using the normal gameplay / game controls
22:46 PilzAdam while cheat-codes are "random" pressing of keys, which is not part of the normal gameplay
22:46 us`0gb PilzAdam, using the stable client's gameplay and controls .... therefor not cheating.
22:46 us`0gb *normal gameplay and controls
22:47 PilzAdam thats a different thing
22:47 PilzAdam its "standard" that the client and server have the same version
22:47 PilzAdam everything else is not standard
22:48 Nocte Haha, more than 200 Steel Ignots. :D
22:49 us`0gb If the client is using an outdated version, I agree. BUt if the client is using the latest stable version, the server's difference is essentially a modification to the standard. You can't blame the client when the client follows the current standard and the server is the one that is non-standard.
22:49 PilzAdam the server sets the standard
22:49 PilzAdam since thats what every client is connecting to
22:50 PilzAdam if the server runs 0.4.4 then the standard for the clients is 0.4.4
22:50 us`0gb Okay ... SO if I modify the server and add a feature that no client implements, then all the clients are cheaters then, by your definition.
22:50 PilzAdam if the server runs current dev then the standard for the clients is current dev
22:50 us`0gb *So
22:50 PilzAdam if they take advantage of this, yes
22:51 us`0gb Okay. I can live with that answer.
22:51 PilzAdam if its just some optimization in mapgen or so then the clients wont take any advantage
22:51 us`0gb No, like spending time in air slowly kills you, or something.
22:52 * VanessaE pokes chlue
22:52 * Nocte pokes VanessaE. :D
22:52 us`0gb Like drowning, but in reverse, now that I think about it.
22:52 * Nocte got a lot of  Mese Crystals.
22:53 chlue VanessaE: Well I am not sure.
22:54 Nocte Think they are too easy to find? :p
22:54 arsdragonfly Nocte: Mese blocks are
22:56 UniversalBuilder what server are you in, nocte?
22:56 Nocte Singleplayer.
22:57 VanessaE chlue:  the real test would be something like a radius of 10, but say 5 or 10 clients connected and spread out randomly through the map :)
22:58 chlue VanessaE: Yes, but I begin to think that abm's are mostly not the issue. The things that are done on each step seem to be much more relevant at higher loads.
23:04 Nocte Who takes the blame for being sadistic coder that created the endless coal veins? :|
23:07 chlue Nocte: simple tactic: don't get too greedy underground and concentrate on building overground instead.
23:08 Nocte Yeah, I know.
23:08 Nocte Too bad there's no balrogs for those who get too greedy... :|
23:08 NekoGloop Does minetest use ore vein generation now?
23:09 PilzAdam you should be happy! we implemented a gandal running through the whole map first...
23:10 Nocte Ugh, I also hate caves and lava pits. :|
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23:13 arsdragonfly the branches and forks of a single minetest cave can be more than those of all of my github repos :|
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23:14 Nocte What are the best servers for just plain mining, exploration/survival?
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23:40 Megaf folks, I was using the seasons mod, then I disabled it, and now the map is all covered by "unknown" nodes, how can I get rid of them?
23:49 Megaf so, is there any way to clean the unknown nodes?
23:52 PilzAdam Megaf, what do you mean by "clean", what should be there instead of them?
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