| Time |
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| 00:00 |
Nocte |
"You can't do that! Its dangerous!!!" Ugh... |
| 00:00 |
dafull97 |
who has heard of the quote "The early bird gets the worm..."? |
| 00:00 |
Nocte |
Also: Democrats trying to ban guns in America. :| |
| 00:00 |
Peacock |
that would be a mistake |
| 00:01 |
Nocte |
Well 'Assault guns' or whatever the term was they used. |
| 00:01 |
Peacock |
criminals can't get guns the legal way, and eliminating legal guns won't stem the flow of illegal weapons |
| 00:02 |
Peacock |
it wouldn't hurt to look at people's mental health records though before selling them anything lol |
| 00:02 |
Peacock |
with all this freemen of the land BS getting popular |
| 00:03 |
arsdragonfly |
!up 101.245.250.112 |
| 00:03 |
MinetestBot |
101.245.250.112:30000 is up (583ms) |
| 00:03 |
Nocte |
And they seem to be using the school shootings and such as an excuse to ban legal guns. |
| 00:03 |
ndjdjksisksk |
ok |
| 00:03 |
Peacock |
well thats real simple to explain: in most action movies, the goodies shoot up the baddies. How do you think kids see their bullies? |
| 00:03 |
ndjdjksisksk |
is that a minetest server |
| 00:03 |
ndjdjksisksk |
if so whta version |
| 00:04 |
Nocte |
Yeah, Peacock. |
| 00:04 |
Nocte |
But you could blame it on the parent. ;) |
| 00:05 |
arsdragonfly |
ndj, latest git running on this phone |
| 00:05 |
Peacock |
well mix in the nanny state with parents who expect schools to raise their children and that's what you get |
| 00:05 |
arsdragonfly |
i can't announce it to the main server, it says timeout reached |
| 00:05 |
Nocte |
Peacock, heh... |
| 00:05 |
Peacock |
still anounces |
| 00:07 |
Nocte |
Also: I was reading this history thing on slavery and it sooo biased against Christians. :| |
| 00:08 |
Nocte |
And it actually thought Muslims treated slaves well just from what their holy book says. Hehe. |
| 00:08 |
Peacock |
well duh, the colonization of Africa was justified by saying they were bringing culture and christianity to the dark continent |
| 00:08 |
Nocte |
Yeh. |
| 00:09 |
Nocte |
Still, I bet Muslims did not treat slaves well either. |
| 00:09 |
Nocte |
And no mention of how vile the Egyptians were acting towards their slaves. Hah. |
| 00:10 |
Peacock |
alot of nasty things have been done in the name of most religions lol |
| 00:11 |
Nocte |
Yeh. But then again, most of them probably didn't act like their code said. |
| 00:12 |
Peacock |
depends how people translate and interpret the ancient texts |
| 00:13 |
Nocte |
I guess you could say that but yeh. |
| 00:16 |
Nocte |
Peacock, what movie did you recently watch? (Any, old, new and in between.) |
| 00:17 |
Peacock |
Emperor |
| 00:17 |
Peacock |
though its not horror |
| 00:18 |
Nocte |
IMBD Link? |
| 00:18 |
Peacock |
!g Emperor imdb |
| 00:18 |
MinetestBot |
Peacock: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2103264/ |
| 00:19 |
Nocte |
War movie? |
| 00:19 |
Peacock |
thats what the description says |
| 00:19 |
Nocte |
:p |
| 00:20 |
Nocte |
The description sounds bit more like Drama stuff. |
| 00:24 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 00:25 |
Nocte |
Hmm... I wonder if there's any good horror movie from the 90s. Oh and anyone remember Brothers Grimm? |
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| 01:04 |
Exio4 |
ew |
| 01:04 |
Exio4 |
github down, for nth time |
| 01:04 |
Exio4 |
what happens :( |
| 01:10 |
ShadowNinja |
Works for me. |
| 01:10 |
ShadowNinja |
They fix issues pretty fast. |
| 01:11 |
ShadowNinja |
No mentions of recent downtime at status.github.com. |
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sdzen |
evil connections |
| 01:38 |
Peacock |
http://www.stuffistumbledupon.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/scumbag-computere-meme-cant-connect-to-internet-check-online-for-solutions-to-the-problem-lol-fu.jpg |
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| 01:59 |
xiong |
GitHub++ |
| 02:00 |
* us|0gb |
wonders if GitHub++ is to GitHub what C++ is to C |
| 02:01 |
xiong |
No no, I'm adding karma to the term. Some channel bots actually keep score. |
| 02:01 |
us|0gb |
And this can be added to any term? |
| 02:02 |
xiong |
The ones I've seen, yes; any arbitrary identifier. Also, 'foo-' will decrement. |
| 02:02 |
us|0gb |
Double plus but single minus? |
| 02:02 |
xiong |
Please don't ask me why '++' and '-'; such stuff drives me nuts. |
| 02:02 |
us|0gb |
Yeah, me as well. |
| 02:02 |
us|0gb |
GNU++ |
| 02:02 |
us|0gb |
Minetest++ |
| 02:03 |
us|0gb |
PilzAdam++ |
| 02:03 |
xiong |
Like, the command line options zoo. -p, --p, -P, +p |
| 02:03 |
us|0gb |
VanessaE++ |
| 02:04 |
xiong |
Never "let's pick a standard and adhere to it". Always "this is how I think it should be done". |
| 02:04 |
us|0gb |
Yeah ... |
| 02:04 |
xiong |
Um... I have no idea at all if any bot in this chan actually processes karma. |
| 02:04 |
us|0gb |
I always try "--help" when I don't know a command, but sometimes you need "-help" instead. Best are the applications that implement both. |
| 02:05 |
xiong |
MinetestBot help |
| 02:05 |
xiong |
Dunno. |
| 02:06 |
us|0gb |
!help |
| 02:06 |
MinetestBot |
https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md |
| 02:06 |
ShadowNinja |
My bot can proccess it, but that module isn't loaded ATM. |
| 02:06 |
xiong |
Well, I don't see 'karma'. |
| 02:06 |
us|0gb |
ShadowBot would have responded to "ShadowBot help" as well. |
| 02:06 |
ShadowNinja |
ShadowBot: list |
| 02:06 |
ShadowBot |
ShadowNinja: Admin, Aka, Anonymous, BotYield, Brainfuck, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Ctcp, FloodProtector, Games, GitHub, Google, Karma, Later, Math, MessageParser, Minetest, Misc, Network, Owner, Quote, Services, SimpleReply, String, Topic, URL, User, Utilities, and Web |
| 02:07 |
ShadowNinja |
Karma added. |
| 02:07 |
us|0gb |
ShadowBot++ |
| 02:07 |
xiong |
Well, thanks. |
| 02:07 |
xiong |
ShadowBot help |
| 02:07 |
xiong |
Funk. |
| 02:07 |
ShadowNinja |
But you will have to PM it as it pretty much ignores this channel when MinetestBot is around. Not sure if Karma works. |
| 02:08 |
us|0gb |
It won't respond if MinetestBot is here. |
| 02:08 |
kaeza |
GNU- |
| 02:09 |
kaeza |
BSD++ |
| 02:09 |
ShadowNinja |
Yep, it ignores karma in here while MinetestBot is around. |
| 02:10 |
xiong |
And won't accept it under the table in /query, either. |
| 02:10 |
xiong |
Nice thought, though. |
| 02:11 |
xiong |
Anyway, I don't assign karma in hopes that a bot is keeping it, us|0gb. I just use that convention to communicate with squishy meat bags. |
| 02:11 |
us|0gb |
GNU++ |
| 02:11 |
us|0gb |
Windows- |
| 02:12 |
us|0gb |
Ah, I see. So it's an excuse then. I understand that. |
| 02:12 |
us|0gb |
OSX- |
| 02:12 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 02:12 |
us|0gb |
I don't know if spaces work. |
| 02:12 |
kaeza |
thought you were a fan of Macs O_o |
| 02:12 |
xiong |
I got into a habit in a chan where the bot not only accumulated karma but spit out a web page containing exhaustive stats on everything from frequency of curses to rate of conversation-killing. |
| 02:13 |
us|0gb |
I was. Until I was enlightened as to how bad they are. Though they're not as bad as certain other systems. |
| 02:13 |
xiong |
Mac OS X is not Mac. Mac was killed... and as you see, it didn't work out so well for the guy who killed it. |
| 02:14 |
us|0gb |
I don't understand. |
| 02:14 |
xiong |
The last Macintosh operating system was 9.2.2. |
| 02:15 |
us|0gb |
Mac OS you mean? OS X used to be called Mac OS X, you know. |
| 02:15 |
us|0gb |
Plus, it runs on iMacs. |
| 02:15 |
xiong |
Steve decided against trying to develop and maintain his own OS, which may or may not have been a wise decision; and switched to FreeBSD, which was unwise but understandable. |
| 02:15 |
us|0gb |
Yes, OS X is built on FreeBSD. |
| 02:15 |
xiong |
Despite the name, Mac OS X bears no resemblance to Mac OS. |
| 02:16 |
us|0gb |
I know it doesn't, but it is still a Mac. |
| 02:16 |
us|0gb |
It's a newer type of Mac. |
| 02:16 |
xiong |
Well, let me tell you a story... |
| 02:16 |
us|0gb |
OS X is not Mac OS, but they are both Mac. |
| 02:16 |
xiong |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_many_legs_does_a_horse_have%3F |
| 02:18 |
us|0gb |
Okay .... I see your point, but OS X is the next generation of Mac. If OS X isn't Mac then XP, Vista, 7, 8, and 8.1 are not Windows. |
| 02:19 |
xiong |
That may or may not be true... but I certainly don't care. I mean, hur hur, you said "windows". |
| 02:20 |
us|0gb |
I say Windows all the time, usually in a negative context. That statement was unusually neutral for me. |
| 02:20 |
xiong |
However, as we chat, there is a beige G3 four feet from my back, running 9.2.2 very well, thank you. |
| 02:21 |
us|0gb |
It's not a free (as in freedom) system though, which is what's wrong with OS X as well. |
| 02:21 |
xiong |
I used to say "I'm the last guy out of the Mac room." Until I realized... I'm not all the way out. |
| 02:21 |
us|0gb |
So Mac OS is no better. |
| 02:21 |
Peacock |
prefer work (as in working) :P |
| 02:21 |
xiong |
When Mac was current it was good. Now it's dinosaur bones. |
| 02:22 |
us|0gb |
GNU/Linux works better than OS X and Windows and GNU/Linux-libre, but I use GNU/Linux-libre anyway. |
| 02:23 |
xiong |
I have no respect for the cat-Mac family at all. The real nice thing about Mac OS was that it was thrifty. This G2 runs at 300 Mhz and cooks right along. Less fat, more action. |
| 02:23 |
us|0gb |
Peacock, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1IqqlW1U4k |
| 02:23 |
xiong |
Excuse me, G3. |
| 02:23 |
Peacock |
its called Linux :P as in linus torvalds, rms had jack to do with the linux kernel and his hurd is still called a turd in many circles :P |
| 02:24 |
* xiong |
gets as far away from a Stallman rant as possible |
| 02:24 |
us|0gb |
Linux is a kernel only. GNU makes up more of the system than Linux. If you call it just GNU, that would make sense, but to call it just Linux makes no sense. |
| 02:24 |
xiong |
Five! |
| 02:24 |
Peacock |
wouldn't this conversation be better suited to #freesoftware? |
| 02:25 |
Peacock |
not really interested in FSF brainwashing |
| 02:25 |
us|0gb |
You started that, not me. "<Peacock> its called Linux". I only responded to what you said. |
| 02:25 |
Peacock |
because its copied verbatim from RMS's articles |
| 02:25 |
us|0gb |
I don't just take people correcting me when I'm already using the correct terminology. |
| 02:26 |
us|0gb |
I don't read that guy's articles. |
| 02:26 |
Peacock |
you subscribe to the FSF's views, which are his views... |
| 02:26 |
us|0gb |
I also was calling it GNU/Linux before I joined his side. |
| 02:26 |
us|0gb |
I used to disagree with him and I STILL called it GNU/Linux. |
| 02:27 |
us|0gb |
Calling it Linux is like calling all of Windows just "Internet Explorer". Internet Explorer is only a small part of the system. |
| 02:27 |
Peacock |
in any case, if were going to rehash FSF propaganda, #freesoftware would be a better place |
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us|0gb |
If you want to discuss it there, I've joined, but I'm also ready to drop the topic if you are done telling me to use the incorrect terminology. |
| 02:30 |
Peacock |
it's just that the proselytizing gets a little tiring |
| 02:31 |
us|0gb |
I have people trying to convert me to Windows all the time. |
| 02:32 |
dafull97 |
us|0gb, dont like windows? me either... but i still use some |
| 02:32 |
Peacock |
on here? |
| 02:33 |
us|0gb |
On here, at least months ago. I've not been on long enough for it to start this time. |
| 02:34 |
Peacock |
im surprised since we have fewer windows users, what i most often notice on here is zealots telling everyone else how they should use their computers and how they should license their works |
| 02:35 |
us|0gb |
I thought Windows users were still the majority here. Has that changed? Or was my perception wrong and they were never the majority here? |
| 02:36 |
Peacock |
to my knowledge theres always been more linux users playing minetest |
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| 02:37 |
us|0gb |
Hmm. I guess the number of Windows unofficial builds and the fact that the official Windows build comes out first may have mislead me. |
| 02:38 |
us|0gb |
Or it could have been something else. |
| 02:38 |
us|0gb |
helpineed, what help do you need? |
| 02:39 |
Peacock |
we have alot of windows builds because windows users aren't incredibly familiar with compiling their own stuff :P |
| 02:39 |
Peacock |
but in the absence of any usage statistics, we can't know for sure either way |
| 02:39 |
Peacock |
(i could be wrong) |
| 02:40 |
us|0gb |
I know some of my favorite people here are/were Windows users. But then again, some are not. |
| 02:41 |
us|0gb |
Hmm. I wonder if there are any left .... |
| 02:42 |
us|0gb |
I think the last two Windows using people I hung out with a lot here were Bearbar123 (who went AWOL) and jojoa1997, who I hear no longer uses. |
| 02:45 |
Peacock |
well, when people ask for help with linux and stuff i give it to them, but if they're comfortable with their choices i dont try to convert or disparage them for it, heck even i got a dualboot lol |
| 02:45 |
Peacock |
(some games just suck in wine) |
| 02:47 |
us|0gb |
Wait ... how did this even get started? I don't remember trying to push someone away from Windows today. |
| 02:47 |
Peacock |
<us|0gb> It's not a free (as in freedom) system though, which is what's wrong with OS X as well. |
| 02:48 |
us|0gb |
Ah, which was in responce to Mac OS being any better than Mac OS X. Ignoring freedom, OS X isn't a bad system if you don't give yourself an admin account. |
| 02:49 |
us|0gb |
In response to me decrementing OS X, someone was saying Mac OS was better than it. |
| 02:49 |
Peacock |
personally i know quite a few long time linux users who switched to OSX |
| 02:49 |
Peacock |
(not here on #minetest) |
| 02:50 |
Peacock |
cuz they couldn't keep playing minetest lol |
| 02:50 |
us|0gb |
Yeah, I can see that happening. |
| 02:50 |
Peacock |
i guess it depends on people's priorities, for some its freedom, for others it's ease of use |
| 02:50 |
Peacock |
it's mostly older people with families who tell me they dont have as much free time as they used to fix and tweak things that switch away |
| 02:51 |
us|0gb |
For me, GNU/Linux is the easiest to use, but GNU/Linux-libre represents freedom. So I can ALMOST have both ... |
| 02:51 |
us|0gb |
(Both freedom and ease, I mean.( |
| 02:51 |
helpineed |
In the landrush server, how do you get raw coconut? |
| 02:51 |
us|0gb |
*) |
| 02:52 |
Peacock |
generally im for open source, but i think the fsf is extremist :P im more for choices than rms-style freedom |
| 02:52 |
us|0gb |
Hmm. Sorry, I have no idea. Maybe palm trees on the beach have coconuts. |
| 02:52 |
us|0gb |
I was like that too for a while, Peacock. |
| 02:53 |
us|0gb |
I understand both sides. |
| 02:55 |
Peacock |
well me its the opposite :P i used to care more about freedom than functionality around ~04-05 |
| 02:56 |
Peacock |
but years of always having to fix something changed me on that stance lol |
| 02:57 |
us|0gb |
I find it strange how much a veiwpoint can change over time. But it happens to everyone, I think. |
| 02:59 |
us|0gb |
Ugh. I suppose I should go out for dishwasher detergent. |
| 02:59 |
us|0gb |
I'll see you all in an hour or so when I get back, if you're still here. |
| 02:59 |
Peacock |
right now i still wonder how pulseaudio ships default lol |
| 03:00 |
Peacock |
aiight, i gots dishes to do too lol |
| 03:00 |
us|0gb |
THere's a lot of things in probably all systems that should not ship default no matter what your priorities are. |
| 03:01 |
us|0gb |
My default music sftware sucks. |
| 03:01 |
us|0gb |
*software |
| 03:04 |
Peacock |
ah that i dont need music software anymore, jango.com, hypem.com, stream it all lol |
| 03:32 |
dafull97 |
What server shouldi run that is l;ight to make money? |
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ndjdjksisksk |
hi |
| 03:39 |
Peacock |
im not aware of any server that just makes money :P |
| 03:39 |
Peacock |
unless you attach a printing press to it |
| 03:40 |
ndjdjksisksk |
lol |
| 03:40 |
dafull97 |
LOL, not literally |
| 03:41 |
* ndjdjksisksk |
is printing this person is at x,y,z |
| 03:42 |
helpineed |
yo |
| 03:42 |
ndjdjksisksk |
hi |
| 03:42 |
helpineed |
twhat sup ndjd |
| 03:42 |
helpineed |
its me universalbuilder :-) |
| 03:42 |
ndjdjksisksk |
cool hi |
| 03:42 |
ndjdjksisksk |
:) |
| 03:42 |
ndjdjksisksk |
:D |
| 03:43 |
ndjdjksisksk |
go on the lanrush serevr |
| 03:43 |
ndjdjksisksk |
i will see you there |
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ndjdjksisksk |
hi kaeza |
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ndjdjksisksk |
hey uni |
| 03:51 |
ndjdjksisksk |
i am going to go to a different server |
| 03:52 |
helpineed |
ok |
| 03:52 |
helpineed |
well im busy learning coding |
| 03:52 |
helpineed |
thanks though |
| 03:52 |
ndjdjksisksk |
lol lua? |
| 03:58 |
helpineed |
um no |
| 03:58 |
helpineed |
php |
| 03:59 |
ndjdjksisksk |
oh |
| 03:59 |
helpineed |
sorry for the late responses |
| 03:59 |
ndjdjksisksk |
lol |
| 03:59 |
ndjdjksisksk |
i am going to learn cpp |
| 03:59 |
ndjdjksisksk |
if ican |
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AWTom |
it's been a while since a capital letter was used. |
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helpineed |
LOL |
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ndjdjksisksk |
lol |
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zsoltisawesome |
Hi all! |
| 04:42 |
ndjdjksisksk |
hi |
| 04:43 |
ndjdjksisksk |
i am ndjdjksisksk |
| 04:43 |
zsoltisawesome |
I noticed |
| 04:43 |
ndjdjksisksk |
(i do not tell my real name) |
| 04:43 |
ndjdjksisksk |
lol |
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zsoltisawesome |
Lawl |
| 04:44 |
zsoltisawesome |
Good for you! |
| 04:44 |
ndjdjksisksk |
what the ccurd is this person talking about oh wait my username is right here < lol |
| 04:44 |
ndjdjksisksk |
in the lsft of the screen |
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ndjdjksisksk |
(joke) |
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zsoltisawesome |
:D |
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ManOfMinetest24 |
Better? |
| 04:46 |
ndjdjksisksk |
yep |
| 04:46 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
:) |
| 04:47 |
* ndjdjksisksk |
is also known as stormchaser3000 |
| 04:48 |
stormchaser3000 |
is thi better |
| 04:48 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
Ya |
| 04:48 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 04:48 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
Alot easier to write on an iphone |
| 04:48 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 04:49 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
I wish this thing would not be so poorly supported |
| 04:50 |
stormchaser3000 |
i know right |
| 04:50 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
I have the least supported iPhone there is: iPhone 3G (armv6) |
| 04:51 |
stormchaser3000 |
wow |
| 04:51 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
It's a pain |
| 04:51 |
stormchaser3000 |
won't be compiling minetest on that |
| 04:52 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
Lol |
| 04:52 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
Ikr |
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stormchaser3000 |
unless it is minettest 0.3.1 |
| 04:52 |
stormchaser3000 |
or 0.0.1 |
| 04:53 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
Which reminds me, is there support for raspberry pi in 0.4.7? |
| 04:53 |
stormchaser3000 |
yes there is asksfan5 for th e bubuild |
| 04:54 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
Ok cool, I really really hate building things with 512mb ram |
| 04:54 |
stormchaser3000 |
lo |
| 04:54 |
stormchaser3000 |
llol |
| 04:54 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 04:55 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
Third times the charm |
| 04:55 |
stormchaser3000 |
lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol |
| 04:55 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 04:55 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
Minetest |
| 04:56 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 04:56 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
Did anyone notice 0gb.us' character mod? I found it very well thought out |
| 04:57 |
stormchaser3000 |
ima go play minetest classic on the public1.minetest-classic.com |
| 04:57 |
stormchaser3000 |
mqbie |
| 04:57 |
stormchaser3000 |
other wies i am just on irc |
| 04:58 |
stormchaser3000 |
um no i ealy don't see the mod usfull |
| 04:59 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
I honesty wish they would hurry up and make a port for iOS (I bet it's insufficient funds) |
| 05:00 |
stormchaser3000 |
nah s\some\eone will get it to work |
| 05:00 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
And sadly I can't help there (thank goodness for spell check) |
| 05:01 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 05:02 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
If they wrap it in java you've got one system down, another one to go.... |
| 05:03 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
And it would be a pain to rewrite EVERYTHING in Obj-C |
| 05:04 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
So idk what to do about iOS.... |
| 05:05 |
ManOfMinetest24 |
Sidenote: it seems we are the only ones active here.... |
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stormchaser3000 |
lol |
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Miner_48er |
hi |
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stormchaser3000 |
hi |
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ManOfMinetest24 |
Never mind |
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stormchaser3000 |
um that was sad |
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stormchaser3000 |
h iminer |
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Miner_48er |
hi |
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stormchaser3000 |
are you on a server |
| 05:10 |
Miner_48er |
yes |
| 05:10 |
stormchaser3000 |
which one |
| 05:12 |
Miner_48er |
vanessaE survival server also watching linuxgaming.us, ShadowNinja, Kaesa, and king-arthur |
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stormchaser3000 |
wowo i am on vanesa es server |
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stormchaser3000 |
se you on there |
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Peacock |
Miner you mean Kaeza or Kaiser? |
| 05:18 |
Miner_48er |
kaeza |
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Peacock |
figured it wasn't Kaiser Wilhelm II |
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Jordach |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W6A2kvbigU |
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VanessaE |
hi all |
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jin_xi |
morning |
| 07:56 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 07:56 |
Peacock |
well isn't it morning for you? :P |
| 07:57 |
VanessaE |
yes; I was laughing at Jordach's link |
| 07:58 |
Peacock |
oh lol delayed reaction :P |
| 08:06 |
Jordach |
aww |
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Jordach |
nocte isnt here |
| 08:07 |
VanessaE |
too bad I missed "ineedhelp"'s question... |
| 08:07 |
Peacock |
i think nocte and i discussed the gov't shutdown earlier, so he may be depressed and drinking heavily right now :P |
| 08:09 |
Peacock |
coincidentally, they're the top two article subjects on the economist's website |
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Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/N4f8qVz.jpg <- OH FUUU |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Smile Day! :-D |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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JamesTait |
Hi VanessaE, how's tricks? |
| 08:53 |
Jordach |
hey JamesTait |
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Jordach |
:) |
| 08:54 |
JamesTait |
Hey Jordach! :) |
| 08:54 |
Peacock |
who's turning tricks? |
| 08:54 |
* VanessaE |
don't turn tricks :P |
| 08:54 |
JamesTait |
Oh you guys, you're so literal. :-P |
| 08:54 |
Peacock |
:P |
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cy1 |
Ah, what a mess. I wonder if item_drop would work better with node timers. |
| 08:56 |
Peacock |
thats one thing i dont get about the english language, you have "soliciting" = on the game, and solicitor = lawyer |
| 08:57 |
Nocte |
English is kind of confusing language a lot of the time. |
| 08:57 |
JamesTait |
Peacock, there are *loads* of things I don't get about the English language. ;) |
| 08:57 |
Nocte |
But not as bad as Swedish. |
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| 08:57 |
Peacock |
so if you get arrested for soliciting, you need a solicitor XD |
| 08:58 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: and in America, "solicitor" is someone who goes door-to-door selling stuff |
| 08:58 |
JamesTait |
Like, considerate and inconsiderate are oppoites, but flammable and inflammable are equivalent. |
| 08:58 |
Peacock |
and again, many people think of lawyers as prostitutes themselves lol |
| 08:58 |
JamesTait |
*opposites |
| 08:58 |
Nocte |
Hmm, anything crazy stuff in the news Peacock? |
| 08:59 |
Peacock |
so someone who goes door to door selling sex would be a solicitor raised to the power of 2? |
| 08:59 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 08:59 |
JamesTait |
Solicitor squared! |
| 08:59 |
Nocte |
Ouch. |
| 08:59 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: no, Playboy doesn't sell door-to-door as far as I'm aware :P |
| 09:01 |
Peacock |
oh god, when i worked in the convenience stores, i had customers pick those up from the shelves and use the bathrooms |
| 09:01 |
Peacock |
ughughughugh |
| 09:01 |
Nocte |
Ugh. |
| 09:01 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 09:01 |
Nocte |
Seriously? |
| 09:01 |
Nocte |
They can't even pay for their fap material? |
| 09:01 |
Nocte |
Go to internet then. Lulz. |
| 09:02 |
Peacock |
that too, when i worked in the internet cafe... |
| 09:02 |
Nocte |
You remember KJUGASCHAMBERS 4chan prank? |
| 09:02 |
Jordach |
hey Nocte |
| 09:03 |
Nocte |
What's up Jordach? |
| 09:03 |
Peacock |
nothing much in the news (tho 5am here, so mostly euro news coming in right now) |
| 09:03 |
Nocte |
Euro news might have crazy stuff in there. |
| 09:04 |
Nocte |
But haven't watched news/read news as I got something better to do. |
| 09:05 |
Jordach |
Nocte, http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/route-1-try-1/ |
| 09:05 |
Nocte |
Now its stuck in my head. Damn it. |
| 09:05 |
Peacock |
well in euro news, golden shower party leader arrested, boat carrying illegal immigrants sink of italian coast |
| 09:06 |
Peacock |
*off |
| 09:06 |
Nocte |
Goldern shower? What is that kind of name supposed to be? :| |
| 09:07 |
Peacock |
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/03/us-greece-goldendawn-leader-idUSBRE99201320131003 |
| 09:07 |
Jordach |
yay less immigrants in the UK |
| 09:07 |
Nocte |
Also: Americans think they are so progressive for having the first black president in there, guess what? We had a female president before Obama. :D |
| 09:07 |
VanessaE |
someone who wants to say "piss on all politicians"? |
| 09:07 |
Peacock |
jordach they were presumably heading to Italy |
| 09:07 |
Jordach |
Peacock, most immigrants head to the UK 9/10 |
| 09:07 |
Peacock |
Obama is female? |
| 09:07 |
Jordach |
tranny! |
| 09:07 |
Nocte |
"We had a female president before Obama." |
| 09:07 |
Nocte |
Read it right. ;) |
| 09:08 |
Peacock |
dont know if theyll keep heading to the UK, finances aren't exactly in order, and cameron wants to cut welfare for the < 25s |
| 09:08 |
Peacock |
we had Kim Campbell in the early 90s |
| 09:09 |
Nocte |
Hehe. |
| 09:09 |
Nocte |
Also what's with these campuses and their 'speech codes' in the U.S? :p |
| 09:10 |
Nocte |
Limiting freedom of the speech seems like their favorite hobby. Hehe. |
| 09:10 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: little children, seeing what they can get away with, of course. |
| 09:10 |
Jordach |
does anyone read the amendments anymore |
| 09:11 |
Nocte |
Hm? |
| 09:11 |
Peacock |
Nocte holocaust denial is also illegal in Europe :P |
| 09:11 |
Nocte |
"It didn't happen?" <- this? |
| 09:11 |
Peacock |
in every part of the world there are things you just dont say |
| 09:11 |
Nocte |
Or what kind of denial? |
| 09:11 |
VanessaE |
Nocte: take it up a notcj. |
| 09:11 |
VanessaE |
notch* |
| 09:12 |
Peacock |
!g zundel |
| 09:12 |
MinetestBot |
Peacock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel |
| 09:12 |
Peacock |
that guy |
| 09:12 |
VanessaE |
"it didn't happen" --> "not only didn't it happen, everything you see is a complete fabrication by EVIL XXXXXX" |
| 09:12 |
VanessaE |
(for whatever political, social, or national group you want to fill in |
| 09:12 |
Nocte |
Ah. |
| 09:13 |
Nocte |
Well, THAT is bad kind of thing because it hurts people with connections to people in the holocaust.. :| |
| 09:13 |
VanessaE |
there are people in the US who genuinely believe that ^^ |
| 09:13 |
Peacock |
well not just the US but all over |
| 09:13 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 09:13 |
Nocte |
Its like saying: Nope, World War II didn't happen. |
| 09:14 |
VanessaE |
not to mention, to make matters worse, there are people who say that it should happen AGAIN. |
| 09:14 |
Nocte |
Neo-Nazis and such? |
| 09:14 |
VanessaE |
arabs. |
| 09:14 |
VanessaE |
(mostly, and neo-nazis) |
| 09:14 |
Nocte |
Racist!!! lulz. ;) |
| 09:14 |
Peacock |
well neo-nazis and arabs dont just have jews in their sites |
| 09:15 |
VanessaE |
true |
| 09:15 |
VanessaE |
brb |
| 09:15 |
Peacock |
they dont like gypsies or gays either |
| 09:16 |
Peacock |
which is kinda ironic because neo-nazis tend to be a bunch of guys all hanging together all the time lol |
| 09:16 |
Nocte |
Peacock except they are attracted to white blonds. ;) |
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* Nocte |
jokes. |
| 09:17 |
Peacock |
bieber wouldn't stand a chance with them :P |
| 09:17 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, we should just drop nukes over the middle east, deny everyone oil and then work out hydrogen fuels |
| 09:18 |
Peacock |
naw, build a wall all around it, let them have their religious wars, and when no one's left, open resorts and start industries |
| 09:18 |
Nocte |
Hey, while we are at it: Lets name the Nukes Fat Boy Mark II. |
| 09:18 |
Nocte |
;) |
| 09:19 |
Peacock |
tho the ME and Africa have been a chaotic mess ever since decolonization |
| 09:20 |
Peacock |
so liberal guilt dictates we have to get involved in every petty squabble in those regions |
| 09:22 |
Peacock |
thank god Canada's military is a joke, no one expects us to do anything about it lol |
| 09:23 |
Nocte |
Hey, Peacock: Do you read any history books? |
| 09:23 |
Peacock |
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o193/insanity540/funnymilitary1.jpg |
| 09:24 |
Peacock |
i read plenty when i worked nights, now i just peruse wiki and history wikis |
| 09:25 |
Nocte |
http://letitleak.com/Zx91798df0_for99287/uploads/2011/12/the-bard.jpg <- also. :D ah, I just like history books. Recent one was about Viking age, vikings and their culture. |
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reactor |
o/ |
| 09:26 |
Jordach |
why play GTA5 when you have MW2 outsied |
| 09:26 |
Jordach |
outside* |
| 09:26 |
Nocte |
Lol. |
| 09:27 |
Peacock |
read this one: https://dx5y3z85enc4t.cloudfront.net/200x200/scale/books/1266744914/6528180.jpg |
| 09:27 |
Peacock |
long-ass read |
| 09:27 |
Nocte |
Ah. |
| 09:27 |
Nocte |
Was it 900 pages long? ;) |
| 09:27 |
reactor |
Has anyone experienced the same problem: after loading a large scheme (about 2 square km), everything appears with night textures. |
| 09:27 |
Peacock |
read another one on mussolini, don't remember that book's name though |
| 09:28 |
Peacock |
i read my father's history books, which still referred to native inidians as "savages" |
| 09:28 |
reactor |
Artificial lights do light it up, but the sun doesn't. |
| 09:28 |
reactor |
What could be the cause? |
| 09:28 |
reactor |
long ass-read. |
| 09:29 |
Nocte |
The viking one I read was: Matka Viikinkien Mailmaan (Finnish Translation of: Exploring the world of the Vikings by Richard Hall.) Oh wow, savages? |
| 09:29 |
Nocte |
What is this 20s or something? |
| 09:29 |
Peacock |
reactor: re schematics, must run calc_lighting() |
| 09:29 |
reactor |
Oh. |
| 09:30 |
reactor |
How do I achieve that, Peacock? |
| 09:30 |
Peacock |
fathers' books were really old, printed on yellowish/brown paper in barely readable typeface lol |
| 09:30 |
Peacock |
reactor, depends, your mod or someone elses? |
| 09:30 |
Nocte |
Oh. Antique history books? :p |
| 09:30 |
reactor |
It's WorldEdit, the latest one. |
| 09:30 |
Peacock |
maybe worldedit has a chatcommand for that? |
| 09:31 |
Peacock |
nocte no choice lol schools only teach politically correct history :P so, 1960's and up |
| 09:31 |
Nocte |
Politically correct: Bash every religion other than Christianity for their actions. :| |
| 09:31 |
Nocte |
.. |
| 09:31 |
Nocte |
Wait. |
| 09:31 |
Nocte |
Bash only Christianity* |
| 09:31 |
cy1 |
I wonder if entities have any sort of metadata you can set. They're stored at the end of every block... |
| 09:31 |
Nocte |
Brain fart. |
| 09:32 |
Nocte |
Is still waking up it seems. |
| 09:33 |
Nocte |
Peacock, yeah: Wait, Schools teach history? Another joke please! |
| 09:33 |
cy1 |
To be able to measure the age of an entity would be ideal... |
| 09:33 |
Peacock |
uhm, they give phys ed before or after serving you fries and pizza in the cafeteria lol |
| 09:33 |
Peacock |
you can set member variables in entities |
| 09:33 |
reactor |
On religion... How many scientists have fanatics killed? And have scientists killed even a single bigot? |
| 09:34 |
Nocte |
Scientists torture animals. ;) |
| 09:34 |
reactor |
If not for science, we wouldn't be able to talk here, mate. |
| 09:35 |
Nocte |
That's another kind of science. |
| 09:35 |
reactor |
And biology is important, too. |
| 09:35 |
Peacock |
reactor : obj:get_luaentity().time = os.time() |
| 09:36 |
reactor |
I haven't seen anyone who wouldn't like to live forever, or at least live long. |
| 09:36 |
Peacock |
scientist may torture animals, but only the religious perform circumcisions :P |
| 09:36 |
reactor |
Peacock: should I insert it somewhere in the WE code? |
| 09:37 |
cy1 |
Peacock: It needs to persist after the entity is unloaded and reloaded, is the thing. |
| 09:37 |
reactor |
And yes, circumcision. It's essentially mutilation. |
| 09:37 |
Peacock |
reactor i have no idea, why would WE use entities? |
| 09:37 |
reactor |
Unless performed for medical reasons. |
| 09:37 |
Peacock |
ah shit cyl was asking about entities, sorry got you two mixed :P |
| 09:37 |
Peacock |
*mixed up |
| 09:37 |
Peacock |
(its late here) |
| 09:37 |
cy1 |
entity > uncut |
| 09:37 |
reactor |
Peacock: I don't know, the scheme I'm loading mostly consists of blocks. |
| 09:38 |
Peacock |
well for WE look for the calc lighting function |
| 09:38 |
Peacock |
it should be run before write to map |
| 09:38 |
Nocte |
Also: Politically correct = Politically Biased. |
| 09:38 |
reactor |
To question whether a human penis is a block or an entity is not , cy1. |
| 09:39 |
reactor |
Politically correct = Afraid of truth eh. |
| 09:39 |
Peacock |
i pity the man with a blocky schlong |
| 09:39 |
Peacock |
though i suppose it must increase girth |
| 09:39 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 09:39 |
reactor |
1x1x1m. Must be some infection or post-surgery complication? |
| 09:41 |
reactor |
There is such thing as elephant disease. It's caused by worms in lymphatic system. |
| 09:41 |
Peacock |
nocte political correctness is an overreaction to bigotry, in the olden days they just let people make asses of themselves and be ostracized |
| 09:41 |
Nocte |
You know what annoys me a bit with history books? And yup. :| |
| 09:42 |
Nocte |
Most of them focus on the archeology part. |
| 09:42 |
Nocte |
And not many focus on telling the facts that happened. |
| 09:42 |
reactor |
History books are usually written in a messy fashion. |
| 09:42 |
cy1 |
Ah, yes in LuaEntitySAO it adds the lua staticdata into the static data as "state." Could store time in that... |
| 09:42 |
reactor |
Not systematised enough. |
| 09:43 |
reactor |
They could at least try and write some kind of special history book for engineers. |
| 09:43 |
Peacock |
alot of history books still do have rose tinted glasses lol |
| 09:43 |
Nocte |
I wish it was kinda like: Introduction > Timeline > History in detail. |
| 09:43 |
reactor |
And yeah, biased. |
| 09:44 |
reactor |
Especially the part about Perestroika. |
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Nocte |
Read Peres part as 'Perse' (Ass in Finnish.) |
| 09:44 |
Peacock |
historians these days have established that the japanese were prepared to surrender before the dropping of the two bombs |
| 09:44 |
Nocte |
:| |
| 09:44 |
Peacock |
and that there was some foreknowledge of the attack on pearl harbour |
| 09:44 |
Nocte |
Peacock, this ain't DC Universe! Why are they rebooting things. |
| 09:45 |
Peacock |
speaking of reboots, they're doing Terminator from scratch |
| 09:45 |
Peacock |
sucks cuz i though salvation was good |
| 09:45 |
Nocte |
Nooo. |
| 09:45 |
Nocte |
Another unoriginal Hollywood movie. |
| 09:45 |
reactor |
Nocte: yes, it made Russia go into the gaping goatse ass of crysis it's still in. |
| 09:46 |
reactor |
But eh. |
| 09:46 |
reactor |
These bombs were for Pearl Harbour! |
| 09:46 |
reactor |
They had to get even. |
| 09:46 |
Peacock |
fun fact: china was almost nuked by the soviets, and then, by the americans lol |
| 09:46 |
Peacock |
in both cases the other major power prevented it from happening |
| 09:47 |
Peacock |
(re sino soviet split, and the korean war) |
| 09:47 |
Peacock |
or was, us first then the soviets? i forget |
| 09:48 |
Peacock |
it was macarthur in korea so probably the us in the 50s and then the soviets in the 60s before nixon went to china |
| 09:49 |
Nocte |
What's the biggest dick move in recent (10 years) by any country? :p |
| 09:49 |
Peacock |
probably the UK freezing icelandic assets using anti-terrorist legislation after Iceland went bust |
| 09:50 |
reactor |
The shutdown of NASA. |
| 09:50 |
Peacock |
(if we're excluding the wars in afghanistan, iraq and georgia) |
| 09:50 |
Nocte |
Any kind of dick move anywhere in recent years. :P |
| 09:51 |
Nocte |
I would say the bomb threats of North Korea or whatever. |
| 09:51 |
reactor |
Ooh yeah yeah. That. |
| 09:51 |
reactor |
Crazy chimps they are. |
| 09:51 |
Peacock |
meh, you know how many times NK pulled that shit? lol |
| 09:52 |
Nocte |
Dunno? |
| 09:52 |
Peacock |
plenty lol |
| 09:52 |
Nocte |
Still a dick move. |
| 09:52 |
Peacock |
it's posturing |
| 09:52 |
Nocte |
Especially when there's wars going on. |
| 09:53 |
Peacock |
there's always wars going on lol |
| 09:53 |
Nocte |
You know what I meant. |
| 09:53 |
Jordach |
why cant they pull the SR-71 Blackbird out of retirement |
| 09:53 |
Nocte |
Peacock, where do you live (Country) at? |
| 09:53 |
reactor |
Same as Tu-144, Concorde or whatever: oil prices, Jordach. |
| 09:53 |
Peacock |
Korea, Vietnam, various parts of South America, Iraq, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq |
| 09:53 |
cy1 |
I wonder if object.on_activate gets called when the object is first spawned... |
| 09:54 |
kahrl |
you live in a lot of places |
| 09:54 |
Peacock |
you nuts? lol |
| 09:54 |
reactor |
kahrl: his probability function is evenly distributed |
| 09:54 |
Nocte |
Heh. |
| 09:54 |
Peacock |
just citing some wars |
| 09:55 |
reactor |
Speaking of wars. |
| 09:55 |
Peacock |
forgot Rwanda |
| 09:55 |
reactor |
Editor wars. |
| 09:56 |
Peacock |
Chile |
| 09:56 |
reactor |
Strange. With "singlenode" mapgen I still get nyan cats spawning throughout my map. |
| 09:56 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 09:57 |
Peacock |
at least you dont get trees and dirt :P |
| 09:57 |
Peacock |
<Nocte> Peacock, where do you live (Country) at? Canada |
| 09:57 |
Peacock |
(sorry just spotted lol) |
| 09:57 |
* Peacock |
battery low |
| 09:58 |
Nocte |
Canada? :D |
| 09:58 |
reactor |
Eh! |
| 09:59 |
Peacock |
well yeah you didn't notice my canadian military jokes earlier? :P |
| 09:59 |
Nocte |
I heard Canada had some kind of 'You have to pay a shit ton of cash in order to a band to tour'. |
| 09:59 |
Peacock |
canadian stealth drones: http://www.cbantlerart.com/images/articles/large/bull_moose.jpg |
| 10:00 |
Peacock |
nocte yeah theyre charging a few hundred now for that |
| 10:00 |
Nocte |
Hehe. |
| 10:00 |
Nocte |
Its bad. :| |
| 10:00 |
Nocte |
Especially new bands who want to tour. |
| 10:00 |
Peacock |
id rather they keep the muslim extremist preachers out |
| 10:01 |
Nocte |
They can't because of the cost because they are not that popular. |
| 10:01 |
Nocte |
:| |
| 10:01 |
Peacock |
most popular bands don't even wanna tour here lol |
| 10:01 |
Nocte |
Because of Justin Bieber? ;) |
| 10:01 |
Peacock |
but we got our payback by sending ya'll Celine Dion and Justin Bieber |
| 10:02 |
Peacock |
and Bryan Adams |
| 10:02 |
Nocte |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO1zYMrbpjE <- also, some new stuff I found. |
| 10:02 |
Peacock |
and NickelBack |
| 10:02 |
Nocte |
Ugh. |
| 10:03 |
Nocte |
Canada = The land of the worst bands ever. |
| 10:03 |
Peacock |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdxS-UJNH5g |
| 10:03 |
Nocte |
Lol. |
| 10:04 |
Peacock |
our bands might be shitty |
| 10:04 |
* Nocte |
triest to think of a band he has heard that is from Canada... |
| 10:05 |
Nocte |
Nope. |
| 10:05 |
Peacock |
though when compared to cyrus the gozerian, and michael jackson, lol... |
| 10:05 |
Nocte |
:p |
| 10:05 |
Nocte |
Sweden and Finland have great Metal bands. |
| 10:05 |
reactor |
Meh, MJ does have some good songs. |
| 10:05 |
Peacock |
dont really like metal |
| 10:05 |
Peacock |
i get frequent migraines already |
| 10:05 |
Nocte |
Meh. Listening to the wrong kind then. |
| 10:06 |
Nocte |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWYFS1XEBug <- Swedish as it gets. |
| 10:06 |
Peacock |
to me it all sounds like someone hurling after a long night's drinking lol |
| 10:06 |
reactor |
Oh that... growl singing. I never understood why anyone would like that. |
| 10:06 |
reactor |
And yes, that's the wrong kind of metal. |
| 10:06 |
Nocte |
At least they got more vocal variety. :p |
| 10:07 |
Peacock |
the closest i'd come to it is rammstein and deftones, and by now those are old-ish |
| 10:07 |
Nocte |
Give Amon Amarth a try. |
| 10:07 |
Nocte |
They got the best growls as far as I know. |
| 10:07 |
Peacock |
these days i mostly stick to old jazz lol |
| 10:07 |
Nocte |
And I don't even recognize they are growling anymore. :p |
| 10:08 |
Peacock |
none of that new age crap fancy bathroom jazz |
| 10:08 |
reactor |
Why can't they just sing? |
| 10:08 |
Nocte |
They are singing. |
| 10:08 |
reactor |
6:07 < Nocte> They got the best growls as far as I know. |
| 10:08 |
Nocte |
Generic term fro growls is Harsh vocals. |
| 10:08 |
reactor |
s/^6/^16/ |
| 10:08 |
Nocte |
So yeah, they are singing. |
| 10:08 |
Peacock |
im in the country, if i want growling i dont have to pay for it, the forest is 15 minutes away |
| 10:09 |
Nocte |
Just a different style. |
| 10:09 |
reactor |
Peacock: same here. If you mean bears. |
| 10:09 |
Nocte |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7c2BsuETGE <- some Swedish Power Metal. |
| 10:09 |
Nocte |
Power Metal has the clean vocals for you. |
| 10:09 |
Nocte |
Sometimes mixing up harsh vocals. |
| 10:10 |
Peacock |
http://imgdump.novarata.net/image.php?dm=TLUU |
| 10:10 |
Nocte |
Oh also: The guy who does the growls in Amon Amarth is going to be an actor in a viking saga style movie. :p |
| 10:11 |
Peacock |
my sister's into vikings |
| 10:11 |
Nocte |
What do you think of that Power Metal example? (Falconer.) |
| 10:11 |
Peacock |
my wife's apparently native indian, though im darker than she is lol |
| 10:11 |
Peacock |
as soon as she gets her cards we can go hunting w/o a permit |
| 10:12 |
Nocte |
Amon Amarth sings about Viking history and Norse mythology. Lolz. |
| 10:12 |
reactor |
Nocte: I do like metal where people sing with non-"Harsh vocals" |
| 10:13 |
Nocte |
Also called 'Clean vocals'. |
| 10:13 |
reactor |
That. |
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| 10:13 |
Nocte |
Falconer is good. |
| 10:13 |
Nocte |
Try the first album. |
| 10:13 |
Nocte |
Rhapsody of Fire... only problem is their accent. ;) |
| 10:14 |
reactor |
Growling, in fact, is not a good operating mode for the vocal folds. |
| 10:14 |
Nocte |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye6YHQ8AZzU <- nerdiest Metal I can think of. |
| 10:14 |
Nocte |
reactor, harsh vocals harm your voice if you are doing it wrong. |
| 10:14 |
Nocte |
Most bands know how to do it great. |
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| 10:15 |
Nocte |
Give a listen to that link. ;) |
| 10:15 |
reactor |
Sorry, no firefox handy atm. |
| 10:15 |
reactor |
It's become awfully sluggish these days. |
| 10:15 |
Nocte |
Oh also: Overkill is very good. |
| 10:16 |
Nocte |
Clean style vocals which sound like a mix of Iron Maiden and AC/DC. |
| 10:16 |
reactor |
So, Falconer, Overkill, Rhapsody of Fire? |
| 10:16 |
Peacock |
firefox is sluggish? YT also sucks on chromium lately |
| 10:16 |
reactor |
Peacock: firefox takes ages to load. |
| 10:16 |
Nocte |
Can't you watch with Internet Explorer? |
| 10:16 |
reactor |
And it's sluggish on all sites. |
| 10:17 |
reactor |
I wouldn't. |
| 10:17 |
reactor |
I mean, I don't even have it heh. |
| 10:17 |
Nocte |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y47qEIyzVFo |
| 10:17 |
Peacock |
ever increasing ram and browsers still suck as much as ten years ago lol |
| 10:17 |
kahrl |
youtube-dl? |
| 10:17 |
Nocte |
Overkill right there. |
| 10:18 |
reactor |
kahrl: last time I tried the one from ports or pkgsrc it was outdated and broken. |
| 10:18 |
Peacock |
i have all these youtube viewing apps in synaptic that don't work lol |
| 10:18 |
kahrl |
2013.08.02 works for me |
| 10:18 |
reactor |
Oh. Thanks for reminding me I am to install pkgsrc here. |
| 10:18 |
Peacock |
on arch? |
| 10:18 |
reactor |
FreeBSD. |
| 10:19 |
Nocte |
Hmm.. |
| 10:19 |
Nocte |
Too bad I haven't focused on clean vocal bands... :| |
| 10:19 |
Peacock |
if crunchbang starts sucking thats pretty much my last option to try lol |
| 10:19 |
reactor |
Nocte: I'd rather just download their songs when I have browser at hand rather than mess with youtube anyway :D |
| 10:19 |
Nocte |
Hard to recommend newbies Metal. |
| 10:19 |
reactor |
Peacock: do switch, man. |
| 10:19 |
reactor |
Debian is deteriorating. |
| 10:20 |
Nocte |
They are all "No harsh vocals! Why don't they sing!?!?" So clichéd. ;) |
| 10:20 |
reactor |
I haven't tried Arch, can't say about it. But eh. Why take this step if you'll end up using BSD later? |
| 10:20 |
Peacock |
well arch is so bleeding edge they dont test jack before pushing, and debian at the opposite end tends to be ridiculously old (the package/repos) |
| 10:20 |
reactor |
last time I used Debian it died after apt-get upgrade. |
| 10:20 |
reactor |
So lame. |
| 10:21 |
Peacock |
when it comes to linux i no longer bother upgrading, i install a new image every 6-9 mos |
| 10:21 |
reactor |
I do really like the idea of having the base system separated from packages. |
| 10:21 |
Peacock |
upgrade is code for break |
| 10:21 |
Nocte |
If I didn't give Amon Amarth a try once. (At the time I disliked harsh vocals.) I wouldn't have know some epic bands. :D |
| 10:21 |
Nocte |
And seen one of my favorite bands live. |
| 10:21 |
reactor |
So if you mess up packages, you still have the base running. |
| 10:21 |
reactor |
Peacock: in bad OS it is |
| 10:22 |
Jordach |
fuck this, i'll go play worms armageddon |
| 10:22 |
reactor |
Peacock: I realised Linux in general is too complicated, though. |
| 10:22 |
Peacock |
how it feels for me upgrading: http://t.qkme.me/3qpo4r.jpg |
| 10:22 |
reactor |
Exactly, Peacock. |
| 10:23 |
Peacock |
you can get a working linux setup, but its not as easy as some would have you believe :P |
| 10:23 |
Peacock |
you need to have alot of time and interest |
| 10:23 |
reactor |
Windows depends on weather on Mars, too, though. |
| 10:23 |
Peacock |
after 10 years my interest is dwindling lol |
| 10:23 |
reactor |
Why not try BSD, Peacock? |
| 10:23 |
VanessaE |
works perfectly for me every time I set up |
| 10:23 |
VanessaE |
I don't understand why people have so much trouble> |
| 10:23 |
Peacock |
well i switched away from windows in the days of windows ME |
| 10:24 |
Peacock |
(millenium) |
| 10:24 |
Peacock |
since then theres been XP and 7 which were actually decent |
| 10:24 |
reactor |
Peacock: ha, lucky you. |
| 10:24 |
reactor |
Well, I have used XP and 7. |
| 10:24 |
Peacock |
vanessa every piece of hardware is different, so people have different driver issues |
| 10:24 |
reactor |
I wasn't amused by 7. They didn't fix what I expected them to. |
| 10:25 |
reactor |
VanessaE: and demands are different. |
| 10:25 |
Nocte |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdjS4qMXQmQ <- also this for clean vocals Extreme Metal. :D |
| 10:25 |
VanessaE |
true |
| 10:25 |
Peacock |
but for me its not just hte drivers, but the ever changing sound daemons, applications that fall in and out of development (applications you took the time to learn) |
| 10:25 |
reactor |
OH yeah yeah. |
| 10:25 |
reactor |
pulseaudio |
| 10:25 |
Peacock |
ever changing DE's |
| 10:25 |
reactor |
and dbus and hal |
| 10:25 |
reactor |
bloatware |
| 10:26 |
reactor |
Come on, why not just do mixing in kernel? |
| 10:26 |
reactor |
And use sockets like our fathers did? |
| 10:26 |
reactor |
Seriously, why invent the bicycle? |
| 10:26 |
Peacock |
constantly rewriting shit is a fact of life in linux :P |
| 10:26 |
reactor |
As for hardware abstraction. Ha! It's already pretty abstract! |
| 10:27 |
reactor |
Everything-is-a-file abstraction is just enough to get it working. |
| 10:27 |
Peacock |
when glibc change it broke my arch install last time lol |
| 10:27 |
Nocte |
Linux... Meh. |
| 10:27 |
Nocte |
Too many fanboys. |
| 10:27 |
reactor |
(for lower level programs it's not, but that's a different story) |
| 10:27 |
Nocte |
Its as bad as Twilight movies and its fans. |
| 10:27 |
reactor |
Nocte: and hipsters |
| 10:27 |
Peacock |
every OS has it's fanboys, and every OS has it's +/- 's |
| 10:28 |
reactor |
True. |
| 10:28 |
Nocte |
Yeah. |
| 10:28 |
Nocte |
Linux have more. |
| 10:28 |
reactor |
I wouldn't say. |
| 10:28 |
Peacock |
i'd say apple fanboys and fsf fanboys are pretty equal |
| 10:28 |
Nocte |
And they are more "LINUX IS SO AWESUMMM... YOUR SHITTY OS BLAH BLAH BLAH." |
| 10:28 |
reactor |
There are lot more people who defend Windows, having not tried anything else. |
| 10:28 |
Nocte |
reactor, because they don't need to mess with stuff? |
| 10:29 |
Nocte |
Or are not programmers? |
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| 10:29 |
reactor |
That's another problem, man. |
| 10:29 |
reactor |
Non-programmers shouldn't be using computers in the first place. |
| 10:29 |
Nocte |
fsf ? |
| 10:29 |
Nocte |
Non-programmers use the computers for gaming. |
| 10:29 |
Nocte |
True fact. |
| 10:29 |
Peacock |
the fundamental problem with linux is the attempt to convert mainstream desktop users, and then expect them to become expects to fix their setups, that's when people quit in frustration :P |
| 10:29 |
reactor |
Let them. But stop shoving bydlodevices up programmers' asses. |
| 10:29 |
Peacock |
*experts |
| 10:30 |
reactor |
Because programmers and "non-programmers" need different machines. |
| 10:30 |
Peacock |
average desktop user just wants something that works, and in most cases, they're willing to shell out a few hundred |
| 10:30 |
VanessaE |
bydlo? |
| 10:31 |
Nocte |
Peacock, yeah. |
| 10:31 |
reactor |
VanessaE: Polish/Russian for "rednecks" |
| 10:31 |
Peacock |
they can't give a shit about the four freedoms if they don't have flash or can't watch BR/DVD stuff |
| 10:31 |
Nocte |
I guess I would be tooo lazy to even bother installing Linux. |
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prestotron55 |
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| 10:31 |
reactor |
Peacock: and programmers need something that not only works, but works well, and works 24/7. |
| 10:32 |
Peacock |
well professional programmers have work and home setups which tend to be completely different |
| 10:32 |
reactor |
And does not have to be rebooted just because of a power outage taking down a disk plugged over USB. |
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| 10:33 |
reactor |
I haven't seen any personal computers specially made for programmers. |
| 10:33 |
reactor |
There are either minicomputers, which are unaffordable, and hence are only bought by organisations. |
| 10:33 |
Peacock |
doesn't take a gaming rig to load a text editor or an IDE :P |
| 10:34 |
reactor |
Or... I don't know. |
| 10:34 |
Peacock |
people fork out alot of $$ for gaming rigs |
| 10:34 |
reactor |
Peacock: most machines I've encountered would still randonly crash or hang just because. |
| 10:34 |
Peacock |
reactor oh i know lol, many of my keyboards have met a violent end that way lol |
| 10:34 |
reactor |
Whatever OS I ran them on. Today I brought my system down just by plugging a USB mouse. |
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| 10:35 |
Peacock |
well i fixed my audio by removing pulseaudio, right now my only remaining problem is getting flash to not freeze |
| 10:35 |
reactor |
What audio system do you use now? |
| 10:35 |
Peacock |
and for some fucked up reason everytime i load a new page it plays the last cached video |
| 10:35 |
Peacock |
just alsa |
| 10:36 |
reactor |
ALSA used to work well for me. |
| 10:36 |
reactor |
I wonder who would ever need pulse. |
| 10:36 |
Peacock |
alsa was always fine, dont know what problem pulseaudio was meant to solve |
| 10:36 |
reactor |
Sound over network? |
| 10:36 |
Peacock |
yeah tried that, sucks too lol |
| 10:36 |
reactor |
But that's what JACK is for, no? |
| 10:36 |
Peacock |
you got JACK, alsa, OSS, OSS4 |
| 10:36 |
chlue |
Hm does anyone know why shadowninja removed the item drop mod from technic? |
| 10:37 |
reactor |
And why should I care about it if I only use it once a day, locally?! |
| 10:37 |
Peacock |
and yet not one fully featured audio player (with streaming, equalizer, etc. all in one) |
| 10:37 |
reactor |
Peacock: hmm. |
| 10:37 |
Peacock |
all the audio players have one feature i want lol but not one that has them all |
| 10:38 |
Peacock |
same with mplayer |
| 10:38 |
reactor |
I use OSS or whatever is shipped with BSD by default. No problems so far. |
| 10:38 |
reactor |
Haven't messed with equaliser and such, though. |
| 10:38 |
Peacock |
mplayer makes my blurays look like youtube videos on low quality lol |
| 10:38 |
reactor |
But meh. I'm not an audiophile. |
| 10:38 |
VanessaE |
bsd still uses oss?? |
| 10:38 |
reactor |
VanessaE: I don't know what it uses. It works. |
| 10:38 |
reactor |
And it works out of the box. |
| 10:38 |
VanessaE |
alsa I assumed. |
| 10:38 |
reactor |
No. |
| 10:39 |
reactor |
Or... I'm not sure. |
| 10:39 |
VanessaE |
huh. |
| 10:39 |
reactor |
Doesn't look like ALSA. |
| 10:39 |
reactor |
It uses device files for I/o. |
| 10:39 |
VanessaE |
I figured they'd ported that to other OS's |
| 10:39 |
VanessaE |
(I know the L is for Linux) |
| 10:39 |
reactor |
ALSA had OSS compatibility interfaces, though. |
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| 10:40 |
Peacock |
something called pcm for freebsd i think |
| 10:40 |
reactor |
VanessaE: sound, pcm, snd — FreeBSD PCM audio device infrastructure |
| 10:40 |
Peacock |
(https://wiki.freebsd.org/Sound) |
| 10:40 |
reactor |
VanessaE: from "man sound" |
| 10:40 |
Peacock |
thats discriminatory, what do women do for sound? |
| 10:40 |
VanessaE |
huh. |
| 10:40 |
VanessaE |
well it's been years since I last used fbsd |
| 10:41 |
reactor |
Peacock: manual pages eh. |
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| 10:41 |
reactor |
Peacock: mplayer is actually very good. |
| 10:41 |
reactor |
Check if you have hardware accel. |
| 10:41 |
Peacock |
apparently pulseaudio has a bug/blames intel integrated audio, which last time i checked, is what ships with over half of OEM towers on store shelves lol |
| 10:42 |
reactor |
VanessaE: oh. Maybe you know. Is there a way to force lighting recalculation from ingame? |
| 10:42 |
Peacock |
mplayer sucks for me, in quality and in the options of the various frontends |
| 10:42 |
VanessaE |
reactor: nodeupdate() |
| 10:42 |
Peacock |
no audio equalizer, not enough graphic settings (like cropping/autozoom to fit) |
| 10:43 |
reactor |
VanessaE: is there a command for that, or should I necessarily dig the code? |
| 10:43 |
VanessaE |
reactor: minetest.nodeupdate({pos}) to be exact |
| 10:43 |
reactor |
Peacock: eh. |
| 10:43 |
reactor |
I mean, meh. |
| 10:43 |
VanessaE |
well there's the //fixlight command in worldedit |
| 10:43 |
reactor |
Woah. |
| 10:43 |
reactor |
I shoulda read the commands reference. |
| 10:43 |
Peacock |
vlc 2.x series might be shittier than 1.x, but still better for me than mplayer so far |
| 10:44 |
VanessaE |
use //pos1 //pos2 to select a rectangular area above the shadow (doesn't have to be thick), then //fixlight |
| 10:44 |
Peacock |
i wonder if fixlight uses vman's calc lighting now |
| 10:44 |
VanessaE |
if it doesn't work, try doing //pos1 //pos2 at a higher altitude |
| 10:44 |
reactor |
VanessaE: above? |
| 10:44 |
Peacock |
if that dont work try p1 p2 remove air |
| 10:44 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: idk, I assumed it still used nodeupdate9) |
| 10:44 |
VanessaE |
() |
| 10:45 |
reactor |
Or the shadow itself? |
| 10:45 |
VanessaE |
reactor: yes |
| 10:45 |
reactor |
hmm |
| 10:45 |
reactor |
btw |
| 10:45 |
reactor |
how long should it take for an area of 1x1 km? |
| 10:45 |
Peacock |
a while |
| 10:46 |
VanessaE |
reactor: pay attention to the shadowing on your wielded tool - ascend until the shadow on it goes away, and do //pos1 //pos2 at just above that altitude |
| 10:46 |
VanessaE |
a few seconds |
| 10:46 |
VanessaE |
it's VERY fast now |
| 10:46 |
Peacock |
must use vman then |
| 10:46 |
VanessaE |
maybe several seconds at most |
| 10:47 |
reactor |
By the way. |
| 10:47 |
Peacock |
ive pretty much given up on ever seeing decent lighting lol |
| 10:47 |
Nocte |
Coding = Lots of pain. |
| 10:47 |
Nocte |
:| |
| 10:47 |
reactor |
Why not use the game console for chat and commands? |
| 10:47 |
reactor |
The chat/command window is not very functional. |
| 10:48 |
Peacock |
well, it could be more... aesthetic? |
| 10:48 |
reactor |
I would say, prosthetic. |
| 10:48 |
reactor |
VanessaE: the shadow never goes away. |
| 10:48 |
reactor |
Hmm. |
| 10:48 |
Peacock |
though if i had to redo the hud, id put the 8 items on the side, have the scroll wheel go through all the items in the inv by moving the items, not the selection, and place the chat at the bottom with a perm. entry field |
| 10:49 |
VanessaE |
reactor: there was a pull request for that, not sure whatever became of it |
| 10:49 |
reactor |
Peacock: nice idea |
| 10:49 |
VanessaE |
reactor: go higher, keep ascending until you find the top |
| 10:49 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: +1 |
| 10:50 |
reactor |
won't let me go higher, VanessaE |
| 10:50 |
VanessaE |
reactor: you're at +31k? |
| 10:50 |
VanessaE |
ok, go down then :P |
| 10:50 |
VanessaE |
maybe you're too high up |
| 10:50 |
Peacock |
too radical i think to get done lol but if the chat were part of the hud, i'd be easy as a mod to do |
| 10:50 |
reactor |
VanessaE: I can't descend now. |
| 10:51 |
reactor |
It feels like I'm standing on something. |
| 10:51 |
VanessaE |
noclip? |
| 10:51 |
Peacock |
got noclip? |
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| 10:51 |
reactor |
mk |
| 10:51 |
VanessaE |
it's all sapier's fault anyway |
| 10:51 |
VanessaE |
hi hi sapier ;) |
| 10:51 |
Peacock |
http://2.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/29/93/1639e33b79ecde263b84e8129a066c8a-clippy-recreated-in-minecraft.jpg |
| 10:51 |
reactor |
By the way. I don't know if it's important, but when I turn off free_move, the sky becomes night. |
| 10:51 |
sapier |
Yes me culpa ;-) |
| 10:52 |
Peacock |
reactor i got that bugs too |
| 10:52 |
VanessaE |
reactor: you're inside land somewhere. |
| 10:52 |
VanessaE |
or in a tree |
| 10:52 |
reactor |
Well. |
| 10:52 |
VanessaE |
or the map didn't load |
| 10:52 |
reactor |
I pasted the scheme on 0,0,0 |
| 10:52 |
VanessaE |
s.didn't/won't/ |
| 10:52 |
reactor |
it couldn't be underground |
| 10:52 |
sapier |
Btw what have I done this time? ;-) |
| 10:52 |
reactor |
and the worlds was generated by singlenode at the time |
| 10:52 |
VanessaE |
sapier: just kidding :) |
| 10:53 |
reactor |
VanessaE: I loaded a big scheme in WE. I used to load smaller ones, and it was fine. |
| 10:53 |
Peacock |
oh look at that, the sun's up :/ time to regenerate |
| 10:53 |
sapier |
:-) thought so as I haven't done much last weeks ... But who knows ;-) |
| 10:53 |
VanessaE |
weird. |
| 10:54 |
reactor |
How am I supposed to port my Minecraft map now? |
| 10:54 |
reactor |
-_- |
| 10:54 |
VanessaE |
reactor: do it by writing to the map file directly with sqlite commands |
| 10:54 |
VanessaE |
WE isn't suitable for importing big maps |
| 10:54 |
reactor |
VanessaE: but minecraft map is different format |
| 10:54 |
VanessaE |
also, try signing off and back on |
| 10:54 |
reactor |
and I don't know if WE schemes are directly supported |
| 10:54 |
VanessaE |
sometimes the map just doesn't update on the client |
| 10:55 |
reactor |
I tried that. |
| 10:55 |
reactor |
I have. |
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| 10:55 |
VanessaE |
hm. |
| 10:55 |
reactor |
And I'm pasting in singleplayer at the mo, because I noticed it's very slow done by server. |
| 10:55 |
reactor |
And in MP, it won't load the whole scheme. |
| 10:56 |
reactor |
Just the nearest chunks to where I was, and I had to repaste many times till it got it right. |
| 10:56 |
sapier |
Seems to be a very big scheme? |
| 10:56 |
reactor |
Yes, about 3x2 km |
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| 10:56 |
reactor |
It's not mine, though. I only did some corrections. |
| 10:56 |
VanessaE |
6 square km is a fuckload |
| 10:56 |
reactor |
It is. |
| 10:56 |
sapier |
Did anyone ever try things that big? |
| 10:57 |
reactor |
I'm pasting it by piece. |
| 10:57 |
reactor |
This one is 1x1 km. |
| 10:57 |
reactor |
It loaded in a minute. |
| 10:57 |
reactor |
But it's dark. |
| 10:57 |
sapier |
i suggest breaking down by another factor 10 |
| 10:57 |
reactor |
That would be tedious. |
| 10:58 |
reactor |
I already cut it up in small pieces, and it bothers me to have to remember coordinates to fuse them. |
| 10:59 |
sapier |
100x100 is still quite big. Breaking down shouldn't be that difficult if done by script. And it's not meant as final solution just to find out if size really is relevant |
| 10:59 |
reactor |
If there's no fix for light, I will have to. |
| 10:59 |
reactor |
There was no problem with smaller schemes, sapier. |
| 10:59 |
reactor |
I remember pasting them all right. |
| 11:01 |
Hunterz |
anyone use this modpack on multiplayer? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4654 |
| 11:02 |
Hunterz |
I see some delay, id player change item in hand |
| 11:02 |
Hunterz |
if player change item in hand |
| 11:03 |
sapier |
I suggest creating an issue for this reactor. If you know about what size it's starting to become slow add this information too |
| 11:03 |
chlue |
hunter some delays as in 1s? |
| 11:03 |
Hunterz |
like second I think |
| 11:04 |
chlue |
Think thats normal. If I remember correctly the mod updates once per second |
| 11:05 |
reactor |
Woah. |
| 11:05 |
Hunterz |
ok |
| 11:05 |
reactor |
I've reached the lighted level. |
| 11:05 |
reactor |
Pretty high. |
| 11:05 |
reactor |
And I had to go around to reach through something solid. |
| 11:06 |
Hunterz |
is possible change on which height will be clouds? |
| 11:06 |
reactor |
Yes. |
| 11:07 |
reactor |
Rather, where the clouds in Minecraft would be. |
| 11:07 |
reactor |
in mcedit, I didn't encounter anything like clouds when converting |
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| 11:07 |
reactor |
And I didn't select that high anyway. |
| 11:09 |
reactor |
Hell! |
| 11:09 |
reactor |
I got it! |
| 11:09 |
reactor |
I mixed up the coordinates. |
| 11:10 |
chlue |
I tried to add some profiling for ABM execution times. Something is definite wrong with the autocrafters: http://pastebin.com/54f7uqWn |
| 11:10 |
reactor |
And pasted it as deep below as -400m. |
| 11:10 |
reactor |
Could be that. |
| 11:10 |
reactor |
Why is the basis so strange? |
| 11:11 |
reactor |
In all areas I've encountered so far, they used Z for height. |
| 11:11 |
reactor |
s/ed/e/ |
| 11:16 |
reactor |
I forget, is junglewood stairs block in standard game now? |
| 11:18 |
VanessaE |
not sure |
| 11:18 |
VanessaE |
moretrees and moreblocks both have a variant of it |
| 11:18 |
reactor |
I remember fiddling with stairs mod to get it working |
| 11:18 |
reactor |
but I don'te remember copying it into the new installation. |
| 11:18 |
reactor |
s/te/t/ |
| 11:18 |
reactor |
And it's there. |
| 11:18 |
reactor |
Hmm. |
| 11:19 |
reactor |
How about obsidian? |
| 11:19 |
reactor |
There's some obsidian in MT, but Nether won't load without the external Obsidian mod. |
| 11:19 |
reactor |
And by the way, the lighting is ok now. |
| 11:20 |
reactor |
It was wrong paste coordinates that caused the problem. |
| 11:22 |
reactor |
Is it me, or the player is smaller relative to blocks in Minetest? |
| 11:22 |
reactor |
I mean, than in Minecraft. |
| 11:23 |
VanessaE |
not sure |
| 11:23 |
VanessaE |
the player is supposed to be 1.6m tall |
| 11:23 |
VanessaE |
not sure what MC's standar dis |
| 11:23 |
VanessaE |
s/ d/d / |
| 11:25 |
chlue |
VanessaE the autocrafter is written by you, right? Just realized 14 of them are enough to break 'realtime' on my system (maxlag > 1) |
| 11:26 |
VanessaE |
novatux wrote it |
| 11:26 |
chlue |
they take crazy amounts of processing time once a recipe is active |
| 11:27 |
VanessaE |
wow |
| 11:27 |
VanessaE |
better yell at nore (novatux) them |
| 11:27 |
VanessaE |
then* |
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| 11:33 |
chlue |
hm I fear minetest.get_craft_result is a very costly function call |
| 11:33 |
VanessaE |
yes |
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| 11:39 |
reactor |
ftp://188.16.203.221/pub/screenshot_2201635969.png ftp://188.16.203.221/pub/screenshot_2201877606.png |
| 11:39 |
reactor |
WE works flawlessly. |
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| 11:41 |
VanessaE |
um |
| 11:41 |
VanessaE |
ftp? |
| 11:41 |
reactor |
I can't be bothered setting up httpd for sharing two-three files from time to time. |
| 11:42 |
reactor |
:) |
| 11:42 |
VanessaE |
why not use flickr or s? |
| 11:42 |
VanessaE |
so* |
| 11:42 |
reactor |
Would need to remember yet another password. |
| 11:42 |
VanessaE |
nice image though |
| 11:42 |
reactor |
Thank you. |
| 11:43 |
reactor |
Note the place is not entirely my work. I only did these white buildings and the two flat blocks on the back. |
| 11:43 |
reactor |
And the square. |
| 11:44 |
reactor |
Where can one publish maps? |
| 11:44 |
VanessaE |
on the foruk |
| 11:44 |
VanessaE |
forum* |
| 11:44 |
VanessaE |
though I don't see a section for it |
| 11:44 |
VanessaE |
put it in general discussion I guess |
| 11:45 |
VanessaE |
o hwait |
| 11:45 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?id=12 |
| 11:45 |
VanessaE |
there IS a sectionl |
| 11:45 |
VanessaE |
damn my typing.. |
| 11:45 |
reactor |
Are there mailing lists? |
| 11:45 |
VanessaE |
(new set of nails, can't type for shit) |
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| 11:45 |
VanessaE |
idk |
| 11:46 |
reactor |
I never understood people growing long nails. They break. |
| 11:46 |
chlue |
'new set' does not sound like grown |
| 11:47 |
VanessaE |
these are acrylics, my natural nails don't grow well |
| 11:48 |
reactor |
What's the point of having long nails? |
| 11:48 |
VanessaE |
they look pretty. |
| 11:49 |
reactor |
I don't know, I never found them attractive. |
| 11:50 |
reactor |
Natural, transparent nails do look healthier. |
| 11:51 |
reactor |
Uh. What's the matter with the red "unknown node" ones showing up in the distance? |
| 11:51 |
reactor |
They become normal blocks when I stand near them for some time. |
| 11:52 |
VanessaE |
no idea unless they're old moreblocks nodes or something |
| 11:52 |
reactor |
3 |
| 11:52 |
reactor |
oops |
| 11:53 |
reactor |
I haven't got moreblocks... hmm. |
| 11:56 |
chlue |
For example old style stairs are replaced by the one from the circular saw, but you need to be close to them. The exchange is permanent trough. |
| 11:57 |
VanessaE |
no, that's not right |
| 11:57 |
VanessaE |
moreblocks has a conversion routine for its old pre-6d-facedir versions but those don't affect default stairs |
| 11:58 |
chlue |
maybee not all, but that could be what reactor is currently seeing |
| 11:59 |
reactor |
stairs and slabs appear as these |
| 11:59 |
reactor |
And should I worry about the map's integrity? |
| 12:00 |
VanessaE |
only if they keep doing that every time you load the map |
| 12:00 |
reactor |
What are general advice on releasing maps? |
| 12:01 |
VanessaE |
chances are it's an abm somewhere that's converting some old, outdated block to a new one. |
| 12:01 |
VanessaE |
just zip or tar.bz2 your map file, upload it somewhere, and link to it with a description, screenshots, and license. |
| 12:01 |
VanessaE |
in a post in the 'maps' section of the forum |
| 12:02 |
reactor |
I mean, making them compatible, and maintain-able? |
| 12:03 |
VanessaE |
well, map file == world folder. |
| 12:03 |
VanessaE |
there's no specific rules about that I guess |
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| 12:04 |
VanessaE |
hey hmmmm |
| 12:04 |
reactor |
mk |
| 12:04 |
hmmmm |
hey |
| 12:04 |
VanessaE |
ah, he IS alive. :) |
| 12:04 |
reactor |
GLaDOS is. |
| 12:04 |
hmmmm |
yep i'm around |
| 12:05 |
hmmmm |
i heard someone else is modifying mainmenu.lua quite heavily for something |
| 12:05 |
VanessaE |
not that I know of? |
| 12:05 |
hmmmm |
really hope it doesn't conflict with the main menu world option selection thingie |
| 12:05 |
VanessaE |
gambit made some mock-ups but that's all I know abouti |
| 12:05 |
VanessaE |
-i |
| 12:05 |
hmmmm |
ahh ok |
| 12:06 |
hmmmm |
this weekend i hope to finish that, hopefully |
| 12:06 |
hmmmm |
i hope |
| 12:06 |
VanessaE |
cool |
| 12:06 |
reactor |
What is the logo's typeface? |
| 12:06 |
hmmmm |
work really zonked me |
| 12:07 |
VanessaE |
RBA's been fiddling with his shader stuff. Says he found the solution he was looking for, has been working on rebasing, and plans to release "soon". |
| 12:07 |
VanessaE |
(this was yesterday) |
| 12:07 |
VanessaE |
I'll bet |
| 12:07 |
hmmmm |
when i get back, i just have enough time to eat dinner and start getting comfortable before it's already tomorrow |
| 12:07 |
VanessaE |
reactor: I think it's hand-drawn |
| 12:08 |
reactor |
mk |
| 12:08 |
reactor |
Well, it looks... eh. Scary. |
| 12:09 |
VanessaE |
well hand-rendered anyway |
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* Jordach |
grunts at sfan5's uploader service again |
| 12:19 |
Jordach |
you can't handle .blend |
| 12:19 |
sfan5 |
hm? |
| 12:19 |
Jordach |
you suck. |
| 12:19 |
Jordach |
Error 1 |
| 12:19 |
sfan5 |
define "handle" |
| 12:19 |
Jordach |
(file extension too long afaik) |
| 12:19 |
sfan5 |
.. |
| 12:20 |
sfan5 |
Value: 1; The uploaded file exceeds the upload_max_filesize directive in php.ini. |
| 12:20 |
sfan5 |
time to search for a php.ini |
| 12:21 |
Jordach |
sfan5, the file in question is 2.10mb |
| 12:21 |
sfan5 |
umm |
| 12:22 |
Jordach |
that file shouldnt have set off that |
| 12:23 |
sfan5 |
I don't have a php.ini |
| 12:23 |
sfan5 |
well its path it set to a directory |
| 12:23 |
Jordach |
uh oh |
| 12:24 |
* sfan5 |
is confused |
| 12:24 |
Jordach |
wpp |
| 12:24 |
Jordach |
qoo |
| 12:24 |
Jordach |
woo* |
| 12:24 |
Jordach |
lunch |
| 12:24 |
sfan5 |
lol |
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| 12:31 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: fixed it |
| 12:34 |
reactor |
sfan5: how's the patch? |
| 12:35 |
reactor |
sfan5: And I've ported 1x1 km map using your script today. |
| 12:35 |
sfan5 |
reactor: which direction was inverted again? |
| 12:35 |
sfan5 |
nice |
| 12:35 |
reactor |
Uh. I don't remember anymore -_- |
| 12:35 |
reactor |
Either X or Z. |
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| 12:36 |
reactor |
VanessaE: so these red ones appear only once |
| 12:36 |
reactor |
old stairs? |
| 12:37 |
reactor |
sfan5: your script seems to generate old stair orientation, though |
| 12:37 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 12:37 |
reactor |
causes red "unknown node" blocks appear till minetest replaces them |
| 12:39 |
jojoa1997 |
Hi |
| 12:40 |
reactor |
sfan5: also, ladders |
| 12:40 |
reactor |
they're horizontal, somehow |
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| 13:18 |
TheSprtCz |
hi |
| 13:23 |
reactor |
3ДРÐÐ’CTÐ’YЕТ |
| 13:24 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/iew4EA5.jpg |
| 13:24 |
TheSprtCz |
how is path to rollback.txt when i want to use in mod? |
| 13:26 |
Nocte |
Lol, beating up Onix with a Pidgey. :D Sand attack is a bitch. ;) |
| 13:27 |
reactor |
Unix with Pidgin? |
| 13:27 |
reactor |
Oh yeah. Pidgin is so huge it brings down the whole OS. |
| 13:27 |
reactor |
Use bitlbee. |
| 13:27 |
Nocte |
Lol. |
| 13:28 |
Nocte |
This is going to take a while. ;) |
| 13:29 |
Nocte |
fuuu---- |
| 13:29 |
Nocte |
No! NOT NUTHEAD! (The Pidgey, I'm playing Pokémon Red with Nuzlocke. That means he's officially dead.) |
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Nocte |
Critical hit with ember from Flametail (Charmander) :D |
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Jordach |
Nocte, ^,^,V,V,<-,->,<-,->,B,A,START |
| 13:34 |
* Jordach |
pokes VanessaE |
| 13:37 |
reactor |
Oh. These. |
| 13:37 |
reactor |
I remember everyone going crazy about Pokemon? back in elementary. |
| 13:37 |
reactor |
Are Japanese programming children? |
| 13:38 |
arsdragonfly |
yvt is... |
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| 13:38 |
Nocte |
Lol reactor. |
| 13:39 |
Nocte |
Nuzlocke is basically the Nightmare Mode of Pokémon. |
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| 13:44 |
reactor |
Patients' nightmares help psychiatrists. |
| 13:44 |
babyface1031_ |
can anyone explain or point me in the right direction on how to set up a wind mill |
| 13:44 |
reactor |
They're important information about internal problems. |
| 13:44 |
Nocte |
Damn. My Charmander almost died because of Ekans. :( |
| 13:45 |
Nocte |
I'm having a bad luck. |
| 13:51 |
Jordach |
Nocte, gg |
| 13:52 |
reactor |
Nocte: are you telling your dreams? |
| 13:52 |
reactor |
I'm not a psychiatrist. |
| 13:53 |
reactor |
I can't help you. |
| 13:56 |
Hunterz |
is possible change gamemode for player on server? which mod is recommended and does not collide with inventory_plus ? |
| 13:57 |
Nocte |
reactor. Haha. |
| 13:57 |
Nocte |
Playing Nuzlocke. :| |
| 13:58 |
Nocte |
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nuzlocke_Challenge <. |
| 13:58 |
Nocte |
<-* |
| 13:58 |
Jordach |
Hunterz, nope |
| 13:59 |
TheSprtCz |
someone know how work rollback_check in bigger range? I don't see any changes |
| 14:00 |
Nocte |
Woot Flametail (Charmander) evolved into Charmaleon.. Finally. :D |
| 14:03 |
reactor |
Nocte: ? |
| 14:03 |
Nocte |
Playing Pokémon Red Nuzlocke... :| |
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| 14:04 |
reactor |
Nocte: ...so you're one of them future slaves of the Japanese? |
| 14:06 |
Nocte |
Lolwhat? |
| 14:06 |
Nocte |
Nope.JPG. |
| 14:10 |
reactor |
I'm not really amused by the fact their culture is absorbed here. They say, you have to conquer minds first. |
| 14:11 |
reactor |
That's how them Americans won the Cold war. |
| 14:14 |
reactor |
Woah. |
| 14:15 |
reactor |
I've found a bug. |
| 14:15 |
* Jordach |
claps |
| 14:15 |
reactor |
WE //p set is conflicting with the destroy-by-single-click feature of Creative. |
| 14:15 |
Jordach |
everyone has, go home |
| 14:15 |
Jordach |
reactor, don't hold the mouse |
| 14:15 |
reactor |
I don't. |
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| 14:16 |
PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
| 14:16 |
Jordach |
hey PilzAdam |
| 14:18 |
Hunterz |
yesterday found a bug in craftguide, under some circumstates interacting with craftguide can crash client |
| 14:20 |
PilzAdam |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=113112#p113112 wow, someone in Modding General doing actual useful stuff |
| 14:22 |
chlue |
Not sure it that makes sence trough :-) |
| 14:25 |
Jordach |
looks like chlue has a chlue on what VanessaE's autocrafters are doing |
| 14:27 |
chlue |
Ok I treid to cache the calls to minetest.get_craft_result() and ended with this. Seems to still work and is fast now, but it does not 'clean up' --> will leak memory over time. http://pastebin.com/QkEmThBX |
| 14:28 |
chlue |
(only in pipeworks/autocrafter.lua) |
| 14:28 |
ShadowNinja |
chlue: Better to fix get_craft_result so it isn't so slow. |
| 14:29 |
chlue |
Sure, but I fear thats a bit more complicated :-) |
| 14:29 |
VanessaE |
can you prevent said memory leaks? |
| 14:29 |
chlue |
btw lua is a very strange language |
| 14:29 |
ShadowNinja |
Lua has a GC. |
| 14:29 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
| 14:30 |
chlue |
I ment meory leak in the sence that the cache will get bigger and bigger if I move an autocrafter around. So the cache would be needed to cleaned when the autocrafter is digged. |
| 14:31 |
kahrl |
there certainly is a lot of room for improvement in get_craft_result |
| 14:32 |
kahrl |
it wasn't meant to be called often so it wasn't optimized at all |
| 14:32 |
VanessaE |
this file is the whole of autocrafter.lua ? |
| 14:32 |
reahctor |
What's the deal with all these h's in your nicks? |
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kahrl |
H stands for hydrogen |
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Krock |
PilzAdam: you're a deveeloper of minetest, right? |
| 14:34 |
VanessaE |
chlue: how shall I attribute you in the git log? |
| 14:35 |
chlue |
VanessaE Does not really matter. So that means I don't need to post anything in the forum thread for pipeworks now? |
| 14:36 |
reahctor |
kahrl: ha-hydrogen-rl? |
| 14:36 |
reahctor |
Then I'm thermonuclear now. |
| 14:36 |
VanessaE |
nope, I've got it. I hope :) |
| 14:36 |
VanessaE |
pushed to git |
| 14:37 |
chlue |
VanessaE Guess you know more than enough lua to add that cache invalidation part if a node is digged. |
| 14:37 |
VanessaE |
I'll leave that for later |
| 14:39 |
chlue |
Ah you have taken this 100%. There is still some debug output included and I messed up the indentation. |
| 14:39 |
VanessaE |
I don't obsess over formatting too much, or debug output |
| 14:41 |
ShadowNinja |
It needs spaces after commas and around equals signs. |
| 14:42 |
ShadowNinja |
And he's using a Peacock-style table to store the recipes. |
| 14:43 |
VanessaE |
if it works :P |
| 14:43 |
* ShadowNinja |
won't be pulling yet... |
| 14:43 |
VanessaE |
I'll see if I can re-format it a bit |
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| 14:51 |
Jordach |
OW BITCH |
| 14:51 |
Jordach |
my side just went |
| 14:52 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/PiLZnW2.jpg |
| 14:52 |
Jordach |
> PiLZ... |
| 14:52 |
Jordach |
^ PilzAdam |
| 14:53 |
VanessaE |
um... |
| 14:53 |
sfan5 |
john_minetest: the wood blocks are wrong |
| 14:53 |
sfan5 |
derp |
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sfan5 |
^ Jordach |
| 14:53 |
Jordach |
haha |
| 14:53 |
VanessaE |
chlue: you broke the formspec.. |
| 14:53 |
Jordach |
sfan5, not giving a fuck |
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chlue |
Ok cleaned up the formating a bit http://pastebin.com/xBr2eAZY - What do you mean which I broke the formspec? |
| 14:55 |
VanessaE |
it's just blank when you right click on t. |
| 14:55 |
VanessaE |
it* |
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chlue |
hm they seem to work fine here. |
| 14:56 |
VanessaE |
hm |
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| 14:57 |
VanessaE |
maybe lag.. |
| 14:57 |
VanessaE |
nevermind, it was just being stupid. |
| 14:58 |
VanessaE |
I've got a reformatted version going up... |
| 14:58 |
VanessaE |
now. |
| 14:59 |
Jordach |
finally |
| 14:59 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 15:00 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: better? |
| 15:01 |
chlue |
ShadowNinja: What did you mean with Peacock-style table? Don't really see whats wrong with the approach. |
| 15:05 |
VanessaE |
chlue: thanks again for the improved code :) |
| 15:06 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: Yes, but debug statements still have to be removed, and the table should be indexed by minetest.hash_node_position or pos_to_string. chlue: He used three levels of tables too, tables are computationally expensive and you need the hacky getCacheEntry function. |
| 15:07 |
ShadowNinja |
Having hundreds of tables for autocrafters is unacceptable, having one for each is fine. |
| 15:07 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: Also add cach clearing in after_dig_node. |
| 15:07 |
ShadowNinja |
cache* |
| 15:09 |
VanessaE |
someone else can add it, I'm not in a coding frame of mind right now |
| 15:09 |
chlue |
ShadowNinja: A understood. But I guess it does not really makes a difference given that normally a maximum of about 20 or so is accessed each second. |
| 15:10 |
TheSprtCz |
What is path to rollblock.txt when i'm want to use it in mod? |
| 15:11 |
chlue |
VanessaE: I will try it |
| 15:12 |
VanessaE |
chlue: be sure you grab the latest from git |
| 15:12 |
reactor |
Is there a mod that ads metal grids? |
| 15:13 |
reactor |
s/ads/adds/ |
| 15:14 |
chlue |
ShadowNinja: I suppose to clear an entry I have just to assign nil to it, right? |
| 15:15 |
VanessaE |
grids? |
| 15:16 |
VanessaE |
um... closest I know of is steel mod |
| 15:16 |
VanessaE |
and it uses fenceposts to make the effect |
| 15:16 |
VanessaE |
homedecor has wooden window shutters that could be mistaken for metal gratings. |
| 15:16 |
VanessaE |
but they're not grids |
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VanessaE |
streets mod I think has something |
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| 15:24 |
jojoa1997 |
Hi |
| 15:24 |
reactor |
gratings yes |
| 15:24 |
reactor |
like in MC |
| 15:26 |
jojoa1997 |
For you windows haters out there |
| 15:26 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 15:27 |
jojoa1997 |
Linux can be nice but I hate how I can't set my user to have all permissions. So ha windows is better there |
| 15:27 |
VanessaE |
security. |
| 15:27 |
Ritchie |
lol |
| 15:27 |
Ritchie |
btw hello |
| 15:28 |
jojoa1997 |
Well it is a flash drive and I don't mind reformatting |
| 15:28 |
VanessaE |
give your user root privs and you may as well be running everything as root == highly insecure. |
| 15:28 |
jojoa1997 |
Though that command line stuff was really simple |
| 15:28 |
VanessaE |
I told you linux is not meant to be run continuously from a USB drive |
| 15:28 |
reactor |
Linux command line is simple. |
| 15:28 |
VanessaE |
it's meant to be run on the bare hardware |
| 15:28 |
reactor |
s/Linux // |
| 15:29 |
reactor |
"on the bare hardware"? |
| 15:29 |
Ritchie |
jojoa1997: why do you need all permissions? you can use some programs with superuser permissions for some activities (for example formatting a flash drive) but you dont need to have all permissions |
| 15:29 |
jojoa1997 |
Explain to me how letting me move a file that I made on my desktop is insecure. |
| 15:29 |
sfan5 |
well... who needs a video card? |
| 15:29 |
VanessaE |
reactor: live, not via a virtual machine or however he's doing it |
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| 15:30 |
jojoa1997 |
I am doing it live |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: because if you can move files, so can a program |
| 15:30 |
jojoa1997 |
A live USB |
| 15:30 |
iqualfragile |
jojoa1997: you can |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
and if a program can move files as root, it can pwn your machine too |
| 15:30 |
jojoa1997 |
My hardware is the usb |
| 15:30 |
iqualfragile |
just enter "passwd root" into your command line |
| 15:30 |
jojoa1997 |
But why can't I move my files |
| 15:30 |
jojoa1997 |
Wait |
| 15:30 |
iqualfragile |
then you can just login as root |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: no, "live" means "installed onto your hard disk" |
| 15:30 |
iqualfragile |
and do all the shit you cant |
| 15:30 |
sfan5 |
you mean you run linux ON the usb drive? |
| 15:31 |
iqualfragile |
but it is a reeealy bad idea |
| 15:31 |
jojoa1997 |
USB is a harddisk |
| 15:31 |
reactor |
Come on. He will never learn to use it. |
| 15:31 |
sfan5 |
iqualfragile: passwd changes the passwords of users |
| 15:31 |
iqualfragile |
so you installed it from lets say a cd onto the usb? |
| 15:31 |
reactor |
Stop trying to pull those who forever belong to Windows. |
| 15:31 |
jojoa1997 |
Nope |
| 15:31 |
iqualfragile |
sfan5: yes, but you can also use it to change the root password |
| 15:31 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: no, it is not. |
| 15:31 |
iqualfragile |
so you used something like lilo or unetbootin and created a livestick? |
| 15:32 |
VanessaE |
a thumbdrive running FAT32 is not the same as a linux-formatted HD running ext4 |
| 15:32 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: he's running a regular live cd/dvd but written to USB |
| 15:32 |
iqualfragile |
ah, k |
| 15:33 |
jojoa1997 |
My mistake I thought you said harddrive |
| 15:33 |
VanessaE |
ok the USB drive probably has ISO9660 fs on it, but still |
| 15:33 |
iqualfragile |
jojoa1997: just install whatever you were running on your stick onto your hdd into a seperate partition, that way you can test it better |
| 15:34 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: he can't. parental restrictions. |
| 15:34 |
jojoa1997 |
Mom's computer-mom's rules |
| 15:34 |
iqualfragile |
then use 2 usbsticks or one stick and one cd/dvd |
| 15:34 |
jojoa1997 |
But I don't mind using a usb |
| 15:34 |
iqualfragile |
use the one (smaller) to install your distro onto the other one |
| 15:34 |
jojoa1997 |
Because I can bring it to school |
| 15:34 |
jojoa1997 |
It is installed on my usb |
| 15:35 |
iqualfragile |
is it installed or a livestick? |
| 15:35 |
jojoa1997 |
Installed I'm sure |
| 15:35 |
VanessaE |
livestick. |
| 15:35 |
jojoa1997 |
I boot from the usb |
| 15:35 |
jojoa1997 |
What is the diff |
| 15:35 |
iqualfragile |
difference is: |
| 15:36 |
TheLastProject |
jojoa1997: Don't say "Windows gives you all the permissions", that's a lie. Windows will block you from deleting certain files, even as the admin users |
| 15:36 |
VanessaE |
if it were installed, it wouldn't be booting from USB, and you'd see the real reason for the separation of privs |
| 15:36 |
iqualfragile |
livestick takes a file which is on the usbstick and uses that as a read-only filesystem |
| 15:36 |
TheLastProject |
Whereas Linux is like "Well, if that's what you want..." |
| 15:36 |
jojoa1997 |
Sec |
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iqualfragile |
and propably overlays it with a ram filesystem so you can chane some files |
| 15:36 |
sfan5 |
TheLastProject just spoke some true words |
| 15:37 |
iqualfragile |
installed means that your usbstick actually contains a full installation |
| 15:37 |
iqualfragile |
which usualy means that it is a ext4 formated partition |
| 15:37 |
jojoa1997 |
TheLastProject I have set my computer to let me do what I want in windows no restrictions |
| 15:37 |
iqualfragile |
i would recommend actually installing it onto the usb stick and not just using it as a live stick |
| 15:38 |
jojoa1997 |
How |
| 15:38 |
iqualfragile |
do you have 2 sticks or a cd? |
| 15:38 |
TheLastProject |
jojoa1997: That's possible? Last time I tried to delete every "secured file" in Windows (directories like C:\System32\, among others) it wouldn't let me remove all of those files |
| 15:38 |
jojoa1997 |
2 sticks ATM but not with me |
| 15:38 |
sfan5 |
TheLastProject: that is possible, but will allow your user to do the "rm -rf /" windows equivalent |
| 15:38 |
iqualfragile |
when you posses both take the smaller/slower one and convert it to a livestick |
| 15:38 |
jojoa1997 |
TheLastProject there are ways |
| 15:39 |
iqualfragile |
(just the way you used to do with your current stick) |
| 15:39 |
jojoa1997 |
Both are lies |
| 15:39 |
jojoa1997 |
Lives |
| 15:39 |
iqualfragile |
then boot from that stick |
| 15:39 |
iqualfragile |
(smaller one) |
| 15:39 |
iqualfragile |
then plug in the bigger/better one |
| 15:39 |
iqualfragile |
and launch the installer |
| 15:39 |
TheLastProject |
jojoa1997: Well, good to know, I guess. I wasn't aware of such a possibility, I just know that Windows blocked me from deleting some stuff even as "Administrator" but I guess there is still a level higher than |
| 15:39 |
TheLastProject |
*then |
| 15:39 |
iqualfragile |
choose the other stick as destination |
| 15:39 |
iqualfragile |
and you are done |
| 15:40 |
jojoa1997 |
Iqua nice |
| 15:40 |
iqualfragile |
which distribution are you using? |
| 15:40 |
jojoa1997 |
TLP there are ways around it with editing some files and using cmd |
| 15:41 |
TheLastProject |
Hmm |
| 15:41 |
TheLastProject |
Well, fair enough |
| 15:41 |
jojoa1997 |
iqua(sorry bout your nick but android has no tab) and I am using Ubuntu LTS 12.04.something |
| 15:41 |
TheLastProject |
Guess we can still say that Windows doesn't WANT to give you full permissions, although any system is hackable :P |
| 15:42 |
iqualfragile |
http://www.smartfurniture.com/shop/images/misc/like_a_boss.jpg tfw i am sitting infront of my pc in a suit telling people how to install linux |
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iqualfragile |
in that case it should work |
| 15:42 |
sfan5 |
TheLastProject: There is "NT Authority" which is like "root" on linux, admin on windows is like "owner of /home /usr /var /run and /etc but not /bin /boot /sys /lib" |
| 15:43 |
TheLastProject |
sfan5: Pff, so complicated. But thanks for explaining that to me, it's good to know |
| 15:43 |
sfan5 |
yes that is indeed complicated |
| 15:43 |
jojoa1997 |
When freenode/irc allows something like [IMG]hfjf.PNG[\img] we will be on trouble |
| 15:43 |
iqualfragile |
but i would think about using some kind of mint instead because unity is not the fastest destktop environment out there |
| 15:43 |
iqualfragile |
it won't |
| 15:43 |
iqualfragile |
ever |
| 15:43 |
iqualfragile |
because it is not up to irc or freenode |
| 15:44 |
iqualfragile |
it is up to the clients |
| 15:44 |
jojoa1997 |
I know |
| 15:44 |
sfan5 |
jojoa1997: neither freenode nor the irc protocol can do such things |
| 15:44 |
jojoa1997 |
I know |
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jojoa1997 |
Also iqua I don't feel like convincing my mother to let me use ubuntu |
| 15:45 |
jojoa1997 |
On the bright side someone say something nice |
| 15:45 |
Ritchie |
iqualfragile: i used unity a few years ago, but it broke itself, so i moved to kubuntu |
| 15:46 |
VanessaE |
something nice. |
| 15:46 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 15:46 |
iqualfragile |
i am on debian right now |
| 15:46 |
iqualfragile |
using gnome 3 |
| 15:46 |
jojoa1997 |
Glad someone caught on before I had to say it |
| 15:46 |
iqualfragile |
but i am not happy with it |
| 15:46 |
jojoa1997 |
Why |
| 15:46 |
Ritchie |
iqualfragile: now, kde4 on my pc brokes too, so i want to switch to debian with trinity |
| 15:46 |
iqualfragile |
used archlinux with kde before that |
| 15:46 |
chlue |
VanessaE: Ok http://pastebin.com/gHMiqhAm maybee let ShadowNunja take a look first, but that should be better now. |
| 15:46 |
iqualfragile |
that was cool |
| 15:47 |
VanessaE |
chlue: can you make a pull request please? |
| 15:47 |
chlue |
give me some minutes |
| 15:47 |
jojoa1997 |
Chlue make a pull request? |
| 15:47 |
VanessaE |
take your time |
| 15:47 |
iqualfragile |
jojoa1997: why what? |
| 15:47 |
jojoa1997 |
. |
| 15:47 |
jojoa1997 |
.? |
| 15:47 |
iqualfragile |
[17:46:35] <jojoa1997> Why |
| 15:48 |
jojoa1997 |
Why are you not happy |
| 15:48 |
iqualfragile |
allso: shouldnt you be learning right now? you are at school! |
| 15:48 |
chlue |
hm I don't even have a github account :-( |
| 15:48 |
iqualfragile |
ah, yes: because i have a hard time getting it to behave like i want it to |
| 15:48 |
jojoa1997 |
Iqua my school has homecoming week and ATM we have 30 minute periods |
| 15:48 |
jojoa1997 |
1 more period then carnival |
| 15:49 |
iqualfragile |
what is homecoming week? |
| 15:49 |
jojoa1997 |
And my Spanish class is doing hw |
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markveidemanis |
Hi! |
| 15:49 |
Calinou |
hi :) |
| 15:49 |
iqualfragile |
hello there |
| 15:49 |
jojoa1997 |
Hc week is pretty much a special thing my school does |
| 15:49 |
jojoa1997 |
Hi! |
| 15:50 |
jojoa1997 |
So mint is faster than Ubuntu? |
| 15:50 |
VanessaE |
chlue: it's free |
| 15:50 |
markveidemanis |
May I have permission to make a reference to my site for the purpose of the evaluation of a relevant article? |
| 15:50 |
markveidemanis |
Mint is definitely faster |
| 15:50 |
jojoa1997 |
Chlue I don't think most people using minetest would use it if you had to pay. They have some disease about using only free stuff. |
| 15:50 |
Calinou |
not at all |
| 15:51 |
VanessaE |
chlue: make an account, fork my repository, make your changes, then go back to my repo and hit "pull request -> new pull request" or however it's written |
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Calinou |
it's even slower |
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markveidemanis |
^^ |
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jojoa1997 |
Calinou auto correct on android is annoying |
| 15:51 |
jojoa1997 |
Gtg bbs |
| 15:51 |
VanessaE |
turn that fucker off |
| 15:52 |
VanessaE |
auto-correct is evil |
| 15:52 |
markveidemanis |
Autostrada is defiantly even |
| 15:53 |
markveidemanis |
http://marktest.co.uk/2013/10/minetest-game/ Do you approve of this article? |
| 15:54 |
iqualfragile |
markveidemanis: ook so evaluation is what you want |
| 15:54 |
VanessaE |
some of your screenshots are old but otherwise it's okay |
| 15:54 |
markveidemanis |
I was very OCD about the screenshots |
| 15:54 |
iqualfragile |
first of all: that litle box up there telling me to turn on javascript is annoying, i (and like 90% of the people without javascript) have turned it off on purpose |
| 15:54 |
markveidemanis |
They had to have no "Minetest 0.5.x" at the top |
| 15:55 |
markveidemanis |
Thats out of my control |
| 15:55 |
markveidemanis |
I cant make a gallery without it |
| 15:55 |
iqualfragile |
MarkTest in the tile picture is barely readable |
| 15:55 |
markveidemanis |
It says it more than clearly above it |
| 15:55 |
markveidemanis |
Its supposed to be like that |
| 15:55 |
iqualfragile |
why? |
| 15:56 |
iqualfragile |
aren't those things for faster recognition of your page? |
| 15:56 |
markveidemanis |
What do you suggest then? |
| 15:56 |
iqualfragile |
some kind of logo you can recognize |
| 15:56 |
iqualfragile |
or at least read |
| 15:57 |
markveidemanis |
In terms of difference from the original? |
| 15:57 |
markveidemanis |
sharpen, ? |
| 15:57 |
iqualfragile |
http://marktest.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/copy-Mark-Test-Splash-Screen_NoBlur.png we are talking about this thing here aren't we? |
| 15:57 |
iqualfragile |
at least write Mark Test using black ink |
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markveidemanis |
http://marktest.co.uk/category/graphics/ some logos are there |
| 15:59 |
markveidemanis |
http://s2.postimg.org/ty05nj4nd/Mark_Test_Splash_Screen_No_Blur.png |
| 15:59 |
iqualfragile |
now it is at least readable |
| 15:59 |
iqualfragile |
not pretty but readable |
| 16:00 |
iqualfragile |
about the content: |
| 16:00 |
iqualfragile |
i would point out thath you can go "about 31000" blocks up and down in the differences list |
| 16:00 |
chlue |
VanessaE: Should be there |
| 16:01 |
VanessaE |
got it |
| 16:01 |
iqualfragile |
afaik minetest does not realy support osx |
| 16:01 |
iqualfragile |
there is a version but it is like reeeealy old |
| 16:01 |
chlue |
that must have been one google search for every line touched :-) |
| 16:01 |
markveidemanis |
Minetest's world is almost infinite (about 31000 blocks in all directions) |
| 16:02 |
VanessaE |
lol |
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| 16:03 |
VanessaE |
chlue: merged :) |
| 16:03 |
markveidemanis |
http://s18.postimg.org/pahr1xd6x/Mark_Test_Splash_Screen_No_Blur.png |
| 16:03 |
jojoa1997 |
Auto capitalize is evil auto correct helps how my spelling is perceived as perfect |
| 16:03 |
VanessaE |
markveidemanis: about 62 x 62 x 62 km |
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reactor |
Pwned. |
| 16:04 |
markveidemanis |
http://marktest.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Small-Logo.png |
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iqualfragile |
markveidemanis: yes, i read that, i just said that it would belong into the differences section in my oppinion |
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markveidemanis |
Would this be a good idea: |
| 16:22 |
markveidemanis |
changing the head image to bronze, silver and gold respectively when the user list matches a certain number |
| 16:23 |
markveidemanis |
and what would be the end, permanent image? |
| 16:23 |
markveidemanis |
Should i have different images on every page? |
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Nocte |
Jordach, you there? :p |
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reactor |
markveidemanis: o/ |
| 16:40 |
reactor |
How's your server? |
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* us|0gb |
puts on his Jordach mask |
| 16:40 |
reactor |
us|0gb: Fawkes mask? |
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* Nocte |
trolls us|0gb with poking his eyes with a knife. |
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us|0gb |
I don't know Fawkes, so I haven't made a mask of him/her yet. |
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* us|0gb |
screams in pain |
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reactor |
Nocte: s/with/by/ |
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* Nocte |
can't/read/this/type/of/text. |
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wants to play multi. Hehe. |
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Jordach |
Nocte, 1) I'm installing Windows 95 on VirtualBox 2) I want to see how fast I can break said Windows |
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* us|0gb |
starts taking bets |
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harrison |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykACzjtR6rc |
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harrison |
"Recursive Wang Tiles for Real-Time Blue Noise" |
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harrison |
please: no inappropriate remarks |
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* us|0gb |
figures Windows must have an equivalent to "rm -r /", but lacks the permission system to block it |
| 17:12 |
Calinou |
-r isn't that harmful |
| 17:12 |
Calinou |
-rf is |
| 17:12 |
Calinou |
f forces |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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jojoa1997-Ubuntu |
hi |
| 17:17 |
us|0gb |
Hello! |
| 17:17 |
jojoa1997 |
us|0gb: how big is the game on your server cause it is still super slow |
| 17:18 |
us|0gb |
Hmm. It's not slow on my end. I don't know the size right now though. |
| 17:19 |
us|0gb |
OH! For some reason, I thought you meant the map. |
| 17:19 |
us|0gb |
THe game is just slightly larger than minetest_game. |
| 17:19 |
us|0gb |
Actually, minetest_game has grown. Ours is now smaller. |
| 17:20 |
jojoa1997 |
what version is your game |
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us|0gb |
My game doesn't have version numbers. |
| 17:20 |
us|0gb |
It should, but doesn't. |
| 17:22 |
jojoa1997 |
if i was to run |
| 17:22 |
jojoa1997 |
file:///files/minetest-master/util/buildbot/buildwin32.sh |
| 17:22 |
jojoa1997 |
where would the finished project be? |
| 17:23 |
us|0gb |
THat's a good question. I'll look over the file. |
| 17:24 |
jojoa1997 |
ohh |
| 17:24 |
jojoa1997 |
oooh |
| 17:24 |
jojoa1997 |
i like the workspace switcher in ubuntu |
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us|0gb |
No clue. I don't know what ${BASH_SOURCE[0]} is. |
| 17:25 |
us|0gb |
What path that is, I mean. |
| 17:25 |
jojoa1997 |
k |
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us|0gb |
Speaking of the workspace switcher, I need to get that installed. I miss it. |
| 17:26 |
jojoa1997 |
us|0gb: how come the port was changed |
| 17:26 |
jojoa1997 |
for your server |
| 17:27 |
us|0gb |
I can't say I really have a good reason for that. I didn't think people would notice though with the server list handling connections. |
| 17:27 |
us|0gb |
Well, I could say it, but it wouldn't be true. |
| 17:28 |
jojoa1997 |
well that ias just me but then your was the only server i played till it got too slow |
| 17:28 |
jojoa1997 |
also is there a keyboard shortcut to change the workeing station |
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us|0gb |
It depends on your desktop. You are probably working in Unity if you are on Ubuntu. I don't know the Unity shortcuts. |
| 17:29 |
Hunterz |
is thera any mod which disable fire spreading on the server? |
| 17:29 |
us|0gb |
Hunterz, I tried to build one, but an engine bug makes it impossible. |
| 17:29 |
Nocte |
Jordach breaking windows? |
| 17:29 |
Nocte |
Lol. |
| 17:30 |
Nocte |
Nice try. |
| 17:30 |
us|0gb |
Are you okay with editing the fire plugin directly? I can stop it from spreading by editing that file. |
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sfan5 |
jojoa1997: can't you use my buildbot? |
| 17:34 |
jojoa1997 |
file:///files/minetest-master/util/buildbot/buildwin32.sh |
| 17:34 |
jojoa1997 |
i can run it but idk where the output is |
| 17:34 |
sfan5 |
>my buildbot |
| 17:34 |
sfan5 |
>my |
| 17:34 |
jojoa1997 |
yeah |
| 17:34 |
sfan5 |
you are referencing the official one |
| 17:35 |
sfan5 |
that one is not 100% complete and does not work out of the box |
| 17:35 |
jojoa1997 |
what do you mean outof the box |
| 17:35 |
us|0gb |
Without changes. |
| 17:35 |
jojoa1997 |
ok |
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jojoa1997 |
i like the look of ubuntu |
| 17:36 |
jojoa1997 |
very visually pleaseing but the setup of how it works can be confusiing |
| 17:37 |
us|0gb |
THere are other interfaces if you prefer. Xfce and GNOME2 are easier to use. |
| 17:38 |
STHGOM |
Is there some way to find a list of minetest servers that you can join with irc? |
| 17:38 |
jojoa1997 |
sure the servers tab |
| 17:39 |
STHGOM |
umm... i am not familiar with that. |
| 17:39 |
STHGOM |
you were talking to me right? |
| 17:40 |
Calinou |
gnome 2 is dead |
| 17:42 |
jojoa1997 |
for clarification https://forum.minetest.net/search.php?search_id=1284428376 |
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jojoa1997 |
HI! :) |
| 17:43 |
PilzAdam |
Krock, yes |
| 17:43 |
Krock |
omg not gone about 4 hours since i asked |
| 17:43 |
Krock |
http://i.imgur.com/xvqVUgj.png |
| 17:43 |
PilzAdam |
3 |
| 17:43 |
Krock |
http://pastebin.com/r1Tkmt72 |
| 17:44 |
* jojoa1997 |
runs and hides |
| 17:44 |
jojoa1997 |
FOREIGN LANGUAGE! |
| 17:44 |
PilzAdam |
Krock, does that happen reproduceable? |
| 17:45 |
Krock |
yes |
| 17:45 |
Krock |
but only at one position on the map |
| 17:45 |
PilzAdam |
what do you have to do to make it crash? |
| 17:45 |
Krock |
nothing, i walked into a new area and ther it crashed |
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Krock |
i needed to run out of it, when message already showed up |
| 17:45 |
Krock |
that was possible |
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us|0gb |
Calinou, true enough, but it's easier to use than GNOME3. |
| 17:46 |
Krock |
but new blocks didnt load |
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| 17:47 |
PilzAdam |
what Minetest version do you and the server have? |
| 17:47 |
Krock |
0.4.7 both |
| 17:48 |
PilzAdam |
whats the output in the console? |
| 17:48 |
Krock |
hmm |
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Krock |
didnt notivce..lemme get error again |
| 17:49 |
Krock |
just noticed, server's version is 0.4.7-dev |
| 17:49 |
PilzAdam |
its the LandRush server, right? |
| 17:50 |
* Jordach_ |
pokes IceCraft repeadably |
| 17:50 |
Krock |
yes |
| 17:52 |
Krock |
http://pastebin.com/5uDMr1B8 |
| 17:54 |
PilzAdam |
thats already fixed in git version: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/56b9377c1c55a08eb5ae09c058f9f1cb8e9e4a73 |
| 17:55 |
PilzAdam |
anyway, the case that facedir > 23 should not be on the server, you might want to ask someone to fix that with a screwdriver |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
okay thanks |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
k |
| 17:55 |
PilzAdam |
I guess some mods dont work properly with 6d facedir or so |
| 17:56 |
Krock |
sorry i have no idea what facedir i used for but where can i get the win32 application? |
| 17:56 |
us|0gb |
Vanessa's plantlife used to be that way, but she fixed it. It's not hard to believe there are unfixed ones out there. |
| 17:57 |
PilzAdam |
Krock, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6727 |
| 17:57 |
Krock |
thx |
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PilzAdam |
note that this is a dev version and may be unstable, not working or set your computer on fire |
| 17:58 |
Krock |
hahah okay |
| 17:59 |
Krock |
just minetest is making alot of rubbih files in the cache\media folder, is that normal? |
| 17:59 |
PilzAdam |
well, its a cache, what do you expect? |
| 18:00 |
Krock |
i thought it would clear useless and not needed files |
| 18:00 |
Krock |
so are all of them needed |
| 18:00 |
Krock |
3.2k files |
| 18:00 |
PilzAdam |
every texture that is download from a server is cached forever, so you dont need to download it again |
| 18:00 |
PilzAdam |
if you clear your cache then you have to redownload the textures |
| 18:00 |
Krock |
oh |
| 18:01 |
Krock |
thx :) |
| 18:01 |
PilzAdam |
which takes quite a lot of time with Minetests shitty media download |
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harrison |
cache-as-cache-can |
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PilzAdam |
john_minetest, you will learn to love it when you have a unstable connection and have to research something in wikipedia |
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jojoa1997 |
us|0gb: have i joined your server yet? |
| 18:15 |
us|0gb |
I don't know. I'll log in and check. |
| 18:16 |
us|0gb |
Yes you have. |
| 18:17 |
jojoa1997 |
how to i take screenshots i am having a bug |
| 18:17 |
us|0gb |
Is it a blue and black line bug? |
| 18:17 |
jojoa1997 |
yeah |
| 18:18 |
us|0gb |
I thought it was a bug in my system, but I guess it's in Minetest. |
| 18:18 |
jojoa1997 |
also i have compild the latest but i think it might be a bug with your server or game |
| 18:18 |
us|0gb |
I don't know where Unity's screenshot tool is, but you can try the "print screen" key. |
| 18:18 |
sfan5[Mac] |
that works ^ |
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us|0gb |
It's not a bug in the server or game. |
| 18:19 |
us|0gb |
Screenshots are client side. |
| 18:19 |
jojoa1997 |
um |
| 18:20 |
jojoa1997 |
when compiling is it possible to make minetest compile all needed files into a defined folder? |
| 18:21 |
us|0gb |
you mean -DRUN_IN_PLACE or something? |
| 18:21 |
us|0gb |
That'll output it to the folder you compile from. |
| 18:22 |
jojoa1997 |
is it possible to set that to a different folder |
| 18:22 |
sfan5[Mac] |
no |
| 18:22 |
us|0gb |
You could move the source code to the folder you want it in before compiling. |
| 18:22 |
PilzAdam |
you can just write a script the copies the required folders and files |
| 18:22 |
us|0gb |
Or after. |
| 18:22 |
PilzAdam |
*that |
| 18:22 |
jojoa1997 |
that is what i meant |
| 18:23 |
thexyz |
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-linux-basemosaic-ubuntu-parity,24519.html |
| 18:23 |
sfan5[Mac] |
!title |
| 18:23 |
jojoa1997 |
can i ask a question >:O |
| 18:23 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5[Mac]: Nvidia Removed Linux Driver Feature Due to Windows |
| 18:23 |
sfan5[Mac] |
wat |
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| 18:23 |
sfan5[Mac] |
why would nvidia do that? |
| 18:23 |
ShadowNinja |
chlue: This will fail, you are setting after_place_node to the value returned by tube_scanforobjects(pos). https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/commit/6a9fdae4a17653b0742c0f635de13dfbeafb6c24#diff-0ce8868e72f438912c0bc6ebdca21afeR113 |
| 18:23 |
thexyz |
really, why |
| 18:23 |
thexyz |
this is a company which truly loves linux after all |
| 18:23 |
jojoa1997 |
us|0gb: i solved teh bug |
| 18:24 |
jojoa1997 |
the |
| 18:24 |
us|0gb |
How? |
| 18:24 |
thexyz |
and is loved by linux users, too |
| 18:24 |
jojoa1997 |
turn shaders on |
| 18:24 |
thexyz |
and developers |
| 18:24 |
us|0gb |
I had the shaders on when I took my screenshot and it was still bugged up. |
| 18:24 |
sfan5 |
WTF nvidia |
| 18:24 |
sfan5 |
us|0gb: you need atleast opengl 2.3 |
| 18:25 |
sfan5 |
>Nvidia's day isn't complete without shitting on Linux for no apparent reason. |
| 18:25 |
sfan5 |
haha |
| 18:26 |
jojoa1997 |
us|0gb: can you add my skin to your server |
| 18:27 |
us|0gb |
I can't seem to find information on determining OpenGL version. How do I do that? |
| 18:27 |
us|0gb |
jojoa1997, send it to 0gb.us members.fsf.org and I'll upload it. |
| 18:28 |
sfan5 |
us|0gb: minetest shows it in the window title |
| 18:28 |
us|0gb |
Perfect. Thanks! |
| 18:29 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: The pipeworks img/ directory should be removed, it belongs in a documentation branch or such. |
| 18:29 |
us|0gb |
I seem to have 2.1. I wonder if that's why Minetest has been slow to render for me lately. |
| 18:30 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: that's part of Uberi's crafting guide document, isn't it? |
| 18:31 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: Ah, yes, remove Overview.html too and put them somewhere else. |
| 18:31 |
VanessaE |
there, fixed the after_place_node issue |
| 18:32 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: And remove/change the reference in the README. |
| 18:32 |
VanessaE |
let's see what Uberi has to say about it since he maintains that |
| 18:33 |
VanessaE |
I guess I could move it to a new repo |
| 18:33 |
ShadowNinja |
pipeworks-doc or so. Or just made into a website. |
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| 18:36 |
VanessaE |
done. |
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VanessaE |
https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks-doc |
| 18:40 |
VanessaE |
now if I could figure out how to get a browser to display the html "for real". |
| 18:41 |
thexyz |
use github sites |
| 18:41 |
thexyz |
pages |
| 18:41 |
thexyz |
whatever |
| 18:42 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 18:42 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE/VanessaE.github.io == VanessaE.github.io. |
| 18:42 |
thexyz |
https://help.github.com/articles/creating-project-pages-manually |
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ShadowNinja |
VanessaE/pipeworks/tree/gh-pages == VanessaE.github.io/pipeworks |
| 18:48 |
VanessaE |
mmmh |
| 18:48 |
Nocte |
Jordach... You there? |
| 18:49 |
VanessaE |
overcomplicated. |
| 18:50 |
thexyz |
lol |
| 18:50 |
thexyz |
because creating a branch in git is sure the thing you're not supposed to do often |
| 18:51 |
VanessaE |
um, there's already a nicely-formatted html file. Why can't I just flip a switch, so to speak, to allow people to see it as such? |
| 18:51 |
thexyz |
see it where? at what page would you like people to see it? |
| 18:51 |
thexyz |
s/page/URL/ |
| 18:51 |
VanessaE |
in it's original location, of course |
| 18:51 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks-doc/blob/master/Overview.html |
| 18:52 |
thexyz |
I see |
| 18:52 |
Jordach_ |
Nocte, hm |
| 18:52 |
thexyz |
but github cannot do that because this is insecure |
| 18:52 |
thexyz |
way too insecure to even consider doing something like that |
| 18:53 |
VanessaE |
meh, I'll just display it via my web space then. |
| 18:54 |
ShadowNinja |
Using gh-pages is probably the best option. You get a short URL, git tracking, and you only need one repo. |
| 18:55 |
VanessaE |
and requires me to jump through hoops that are inadequately explained. |
| 18:55 |
VanessaE |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/pipeworks-doc/Overview.html |
| 18:55 |
VanessaE |
there. |
| 18:56 |
VanessaE |
except I need to set a background color or something. |
| 18:56 |
VanessaE |
(or text color rather, probably css inheritence) |
| 18:56 |
VanessaE |
inheritance* |
| 18:56 |
thexyz |
github is also faster I think |
| 18:56 |
ShadowNinja |
No, it's pretty simple, see xyz's link. |
| 18:57 |
Nocte |
Some Multi before sleep? |
| 18:57 |
thexyz |
but yeah, at some point of time it becomes harder and harder to learn new things |
| 18:57 |
Nocte |
@Jordach_ |
| 18:57 |
ShadowNinja |
Can I even make pull requests on non-existing branches? |
| 18:57 |
Jordach_ |
Nocte, sure |
| 18:57 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: btw, you could use markdown and it'll display just how you want it to be |
| 18:58 |
thexyz |
as long as you don't need something it doesn't support |
| 18:58 |
ShadowNinja |
See, eg, https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat.github.com |
| 18:58 |
Nocte |
What was the address/port? @Jordach_? |
| 18:58 |
Jordach_ |
!up 81.153.29.66 |
| 18:58 |
MinetestBot |
81.153.29.66:30000 seems to be down |
| 18:59 |
Jordach_ |
!up 81.153.29.66 |
| 18:59 |
MinetestBot |
81.153.29.66:30000 is up (173ms) |
| 18:59 |
sapier |
172ms? :-) what a gigantic uptime |
| 18:59 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Ping, not uptime. |
| 19:00 |
thexyz |
that's not uptime |
| 19:00 |
sapier |
ahhhh *g* ok ok |
| 19:00 |
Nocte |
Should we get other people in the server Jordach? |
| 19:03 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: the problem isn't that I can't learn new things. I just have my preferences in this regard |
| 19:04 |
VanessaE |
It's html, ergo a browser should be made to display it with the least possible amount of fuss. |
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thexyz |
yeah whatever |
| 19:05 |
thexyz |
as I said, they aren't doing that because that's insecure and they know that |
| 19:06 |
thexyz |
(and it seems you don't :( ) |
| 19:06 |
VanessaE |
echo "My GitHub Page" > index.html; git add index.html; git commit -a -m "First pages commit" ; git push origin gh-pages |
| 19:07 |
VanessaE |
this is more secure than if the filename is Overview.html ? |
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thexyz |
no, I didn't say this |
| 19:09 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: Overview.html just looks like a bunch of oversized images. |
| 19:09 |
VanessaE |
those are the last commands given on the help page (which I visited before seeing your link) |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
22:50 thexyz: see it where? at what page would you like people to see it? |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
22:50 thexyz: s/page/URL/ |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
22:50 < VanessaE> | in it's original location, of course |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
22:50 < VanessaE> | https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks-doc/blob/master/Overview.html |
| 19:09 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: reload. |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
22:50 thexyz: but github cannot do that because this is insecure |
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| 19:09 |
VanessaE |
lol |
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| 19:09 |
thexyz |
fuggot |
| 19:11 |
VanessaE |
right and obviously that is not possible. |
| 19:11 |
VanessaE |
but it's still an html file and the browser is still being asked to display it. |
| 19:11 |
VanessaE |
where is the added insecurity? |
| 19:11 |
thexyz |
I was having an interesting and fun conversation and then this fucking shitbot comes and, well, the fun goes away |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
you mean, why is it insecure to render html page at https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks-doc/blob/master/Overview.html instead of just text? |
| 19:12 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: no |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
then what? |
| 19:12 |
VanessaE |
I'm asking why is it somehow more secure to load (and render) it from wherever https://help.github.com/articles/creating-project-pages-manually would have it stored, as opposed to https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks-doc/blob/master/Overview.html ? |
| 19:13 |
VanessaE |
either way the browser has to fetch and display the html file - why does it matter what storage medium, site, etc. the file comes from? |
| 19:13 |
ShadowNinja |
You don't want the pages to have access to all of your cookies. |
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VanessaE |
that makes at least some sense, but given that the clone/push address is still github.com (without a subdomain), is that not already the case? |
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thexyz |
you don't provide enough details, it doesn't matter where is it stored; the only thing that matters is what URL it is accessible by |
| 19:16 |
ShadowNinja |
No, the cookies are accessible by *.github.com/*, pages are under github.io. |
| 19:16 |
thexyz |
creating another branch for docs may seem inconvenient unless you consider having docs in the same repo as code |
| 19:17 |
ShadowNinja |
Seperate branch > seperate repo > same repo & branch. |
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* VanessaE |
looks at the pages-gh branch that's just been populated and pushed to pipeworks git. |
| 19:22 |
VanessaE |
nw what? |
| 19:22 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: gh-pages. |
| 19:22 |
VanessaE |
er yes |
| 19:23 |
VanessaE |
gh-pages I meant. |
| 19:23 |
VanessaE |
vanessarainbird:~/Minetest-related/mods/my_mods/pipeworks$ git push origin gh-pages |
| 19:23 |
VanessaE |
I suppose that 10 minute window is in effect now |
| 19:24 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: You should probably rename Overviel.html to index.html. |
| 19:25 |
VanessaE |
done and pushed. |
| 19:26 |
Calinou |
"rainbird", that's way more original than "calinou-desktop" and "calinou-netbook". :D |
| 19:26 |
VanessaE |
actually, it isn't :) |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
that was the name of some random software company (or maybe it was a division thereof) that I saw on a floppy disk many years ago. |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
somehow, it stuck. |
| 19:27 |
PilzAdam |
Calinou, its easier for bronies, they can just use pony names |
| 19:27 |
chlue |
ShadowNinja: Hm so the lua call modifies the parameter? |
| 19:27 |
Calinou |
heh |
| 19:28 |
ShadowNinja |
chlue: No, Lua sets after_place_node to the value returned by the function call "tube_checkforobjects(pos)" rather than setting it to the function "tube_checkforobjects". |
| 19:29 |
thexyz |
why would you call your desktop pony name |
| 19:29 |
chlue |
Ah I didn't touch that area. That was old code. |
| 19:32 |
ShadowNinja |
chlue: Really? http://git.io/CO0Vgw |
| 19:33 |
chlue |
ups |
| 19:33 |
chlue |
But then the original 'after_place_node = tube_scanforobjects' was faulty too, right? |
| 19:34 |
VanessaE |
ok, the pipeworks documentation is published via github. |
| 19:34 |
VanessaE |
http://vanessae.github.io/pipeworks/ |
| 19:34 |
ShadowNinja |
chlue: No, that was correct. |
| 19:34 |
chlue |
ShadowNinja: And how did it get the pos parameter then? |
| 19:35 |
ShadowNinja |
chlue: It was passed to it by minetest.item_place_node. |
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VanessaE |
chlue: I fixed that in git already |
| 19:37 |
VanessaE |
(though I did it differently from before, out of habit) |
| 19:38 |
chlue |
ShadowNinja Ok thanks. Heavy use of dynamic function pointers makes stuff a bit hard to unterstand initially, but I think now I got it. |
| 19:39 |
chlue |
VanessaE ok and now I hopefully understand why it does the same, too :-) |
| 19:40 |
ShadowNinja |
No problem, that confused me for a second too. |
| 19:47 |
Nocte |
Jordach_! |
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Jordach_ |
Nocte, i'm talking in #athens |
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Nocte |
Oh.. :| |
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VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=113149#p113149 |
| 19:59 |
VanessaE |
this sounds very useful. |
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pitriss |
Hi, please how I can toggle drowning in technic_game ? |
| 20:04 |
VanessaE |
wish I knew |
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Nocte |
Just great. |
| 20:07 |
Nocte |
I failed horribly. |
| 20:07 |
Nocte |
I trapped myself. :| |
| 20:14 |
ShadowNinja |
pitriss: There may be a global enable_drowning variable, but technic_game doesn't touch drowning. |
| 20:14 |
PilzAdam |
drowning is defined in nodedef, so technic_game defines it |
| 20:15 |
pitriss |
ok, it gets disabled somehow, so how i can enable it? |
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ShadowNinja |
PilzAdam: Other than copying default. (I still don't understand what the replacement for common mods is) |
| 20:28 |
jsnmtth |
Suppose I wanted to use the minetest engine to make a "planet" of blocks, all the way to the core. Do you think it could be adopted where one can approach it in a similar was as happens on http://pioneerspacesim.net game? |
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* Sanky |
@kuriputo> yaourt -S minetest |
| 20:32 |
Sanky |
Packages (1): minetest-0.4.7-1 |
| 20:32 |
Sanky |
:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] y |
| 20:32 |
Sanky |
just wanted to say this is awesome ;) |
| 20:32 |
VanessaE |
don't\ flood |
| 20:32 |
Calinou |
cool story :> |
| 20:32 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 20:32 |
Calinou |
Sanky: you should get git |
| 20:32 |
Calinou |
it has a ton of new features |
| 20:33 |
Calinou |
0.4.7 is quite old already :P |
| 20:33 |
* Sanky |
@kuriputo> yaourt -S minetest-git |
| 20:33 |
Sanky |
==> Downloading minetest-git PKGBUILD from AUR... |
| 20:33 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: careful, you'll raise some of the core dev's ire for that |
| 20:33 |
Sanky |
fkin sweet |
| 20:33 |
Calinou |
why :P |
| 20:34 |
VanessaE |
because calling -release outdated or old or so is somehow taboo now |
| 20:34 |
VanessaE |
(despite it being true) |
| 20:34 |
ShadowNinja |
Sanky: Try http://shadowninja.minetest.net/mods/nuke.tgz :-) |
| 20:34 |
Jordach_ |
OHH SHIT |
| 20:34 |
thexyz |
why's that taboo? |
| 20:34 |
Sanky |
i haven't even run the game yet |
| 20:34 |
Sanky |
i haven't even loaded the official page |
| 20:35 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: ask pilz. I think he was the last to make that statement |
| 20:35 |
thexyz |
meh |
| 20:35 |
thexyz |
I'd rather not |
| 20:36 |
VanessaE |
well I can't presume to speak for him :P |
| 20:36 |
PilzAdam |
for me, "latest" means "latest stable", so "latest stable" cant be outdated by definition |
| 20:36 |
VanessaE |
hah there he is |
| 20:36 |
VanessaE |
(thought you'd signed off) |
| 20:37 |
thexyz |
that's nice |
| 20:37 |
thexyz |
it can't be outdated by definition he said |
| 20:37 |
thexyz |
without providing the definition |
| 20:38 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: well, there are two open pull request and one issue |
| 20:38 |
thexyz |
for 0.4.8 milestone |
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* VanessaE |
shrugs |
| 20:40 |
VanessaE |
I don't really put much stock in those milestones |
| 20:41 |
thexyz |
why? |
| 20:41 |
thexyz |
there's a nice bug marked as "blocker" which no one knows how to solve |
| 20:42 |
ShadowNinja |
Maybe this should be added, as it should be merged before 0.4.8. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/925 |
| 20:42 |
VanessaE |
because that's just a damn translation, meanwhile there are much worse bugs that remain unsolved |
| 20:42 |
VanessaE |
let alone tagged/not tagged for any given milestone |
| 20:43 |
thexyz |
that's not just "damn translation" |
| 20:43 |
thexyz |
this makes the game essentially unplayable for users with locale set to something something ru cn jp whatever else it could be |
| 20:44 |
VanessaE |
and that could be solved temporarily by disabling those locales or however that works. |
| 20:44 |
VanessaE |
not that that's a correct fix. |
| 20:44 |
VanessaE |
but that's a way to make it playable. meanwhile there are plenty of truly nasty bugs that go unsolved. |
| 20:44 |
thexyz |
yeah, sure, nice regression |
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| 20:45 |
VanessaE |
*facepalm* |
| 20:45 |
Jordach_ |
well timed VanessaE |
| 20:45 |
Peacock |
how to stop/fix: |
| 20:45 |
Peacock |
ServerEnvironment::addActiveObjectRaw(): could not find block for storing id=30 statically (pos=(-4610,125,-4891)) |
| 20:45 |
Jordach_ |
Peacock joins the channel and you facepalm |
| 20:47 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: let me put it a different way. Why are the entity duplication and inventory-open crashes not on any milestone? At least the russian et al. stuff can be worked around into a playable state. |
| 20:47 |
VanessaE |
the others, basically, are a crapshoot |
| 20:48 |
ShadowNinja |
Peacock: Fix the code. |
| 20:48 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: what is "inventory-open crash"? |
| 20:48 |
VanessaE |
THAT is why I ignore the milestones anymore. |
| 20:48 |
thexyz |
and what is "entity duplication"? |
| 20:48 |
thexyz |
wait, I think I heard about the last one |
| 20:48 |
Peacock |
ShadowNinja lua code, or the ~100 cpp files? |
| 20:49 |
VanessaE |
#831 |
| 20:50 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: well, you see, the problem is that it's labeled "unconfirmed" |
| 20:50 |
VanessaE |
kahrl had #863 on the milestones because it renders some servers useless. |
| 20:50 |
ShadowNinja |
Peacock: C++. |
| 20:50 |
VanessaE |
(remote media is busted) |
| 20:51 |
thexyz |
and this issue can be worked around by not requesting your inventory while the game still loads! |
| 20:51 |
thexyz |
code-less patch! |
| 20:51 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: inconsistent. |
| 20:51 |
VanessaE |
it doesn't always work in practice. |
| 20:51 |
Peacock |
shadowninja, i have a hard time understanding the spaghetti that is lighthing lol nevermind entities.... so it's a bug? |
| 20:52 |
thexyz |
anyway, I think those issues aren't on milestone because they don't happen too often |
| 20:52 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: the crash hits me nearly every time I play the game. |
| 20:52 |
VanessaE |
the remote media, nearly every user who signs on |
| 20:52 |
VanessaE |
the duplication bug hits EVERYONE |
| 20:52 |
thexyz |
everyone? |
| 20:52 |
thexyz |
can you provide issue ID? |
| 20:52 |
VanessaE |
yes, everyone. |
| 20:53 |
VanessaE |
um, why should I have to, you know this issue surely. |
| 20:53 |
VanessaE |
and if you spend 5 minutes watching my/shadow's/kaeza's server channel during a busy period, you'll see more signons/offs than you can count, most of the off's (round about 75%) are crashes. |
| 20:54 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/218 |
| 20:54 |
VanessaE |
maybe this one. |
| 20:54 |
thexyz |
sadly, I'm not in that "everyone" set you're talking about |
| 20:54 |
thexyz |
because this've never occurred to me |
| 20:54 |
VanessaE |
it has occurred even for you, you probably just never noticed it. |
| 20:54 |
ShadowNinja |
Yep, >50% of joining players time out. |
| 20:55 |
ShadowNinja |
And I don't have all that many mods. |
| 20:55 |
thexyz |
alright, alright |
| 20:55 |
VanessaE |
it happens on all servers that stay up more than ~5 or 10 mins. |
| 20:55 |
Peacock |
> 60% on my server timeout |
| 20:55 |
thexyz |
entity duplication for sure occurred for me, I just didn't notice |
| 20:55 |
thexyz |
players didn't either |
| 20:56 |
VanessaE |
or they didn't complain. |
| 20:56 |
Menche |
my server slowed down significantly every few days due to pillars of duplicated entities forming |
| 20:56 |
VanessaE |
I have to /clearobjects every couple of days at least, to keep them under control. |
| 20:57 |
VanessaE |
(signs, mobs, and pipeworks all use entities, but afaik all of them try to keep their usage under control) |
| 20:57 |
Menche |
signs? |
| 20:57 |
thexyz |
well, you see |
| 20:57 |
thexyz |
after that issue with bad ram |
| 20:57 |
VanessaE |
yeah well that issue was fixed months ago |
| 20:57 |
thexyz |
meh, whatever, this is totally not constructive |
| 20:58 |
VanessaE |
milestones are, as c55 said, useless. |
| 20:58 |
VanessaE |
(though for him it was a different reason) |
| 20:58 |
VanessaE |
mench: visible-text signs, based on thexyz's mod |
| 20:59 |
thexyz |
they can be useless to him since he no longer actively develops minetest |
| 20:59 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: they are useless to him because there were (at the time) no rules/guidelines for designating something as a milestone, I believe. |
| 21:01 |
VanessaE |
(a bunch of stuff got inexplicably tagged that shouldn't have, which kahrl subsequently cleaned up.) |
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Peacock |
shadowninja posted issue in meantime https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/945 |
| 21:11 |
Menche |
tool that uses entities? |
| 21:12 |
VanessaE |
yeah I didn't get that either |
| 21:16 |
Peacock |
guns, bows, terrain |
| 21:17 |
Peacock |
after n number of uses, i get "could not find block for storing id=..." |
| 21:18 |
Peacock |
and all my bullets/entities are set to remove themselves after 3 seconds, but you get the impression they're all still in memory for some reason |
| 21:19 |
VanessaE |
I see this error frequently on my system as well, under varying conditions,. |
| 21:20 |
Peacock |
it doesn't have to be a tool i guess, anytime you have a mod that uses/adds many entities this happens |
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Peacock |
its just that for me, it happens alot with my terrain editor tool, after 5 or 10 minutes of use i have to restart the game |
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* VanessaE |
mumbles something about TNT mod... |
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zsoltisawesome |
haha |
| 21:21 |
cy1 |
OK |
| 21:21 |
Peacock |
and i take care to remove my entities, they shouldn't still be loaded, but only restart fixes it lol |
| 21:21 |
cy1 |
finally got a client and a server compiled again |
| 21:21 |
cy1 |
so I can test https://github.com/cyisfor/item_drop |
| 21:22 |
cy1 |
now with items expiring even if they unload :p |
| 21:24 |
VanessaE |
cy1: add config options so that drop and pickup can be enabled separately :) |
| 21:25 |
cy1 |
Yeah I did that first. |
| 21:25 |
cy1 |
select block, tabify right, add if statement :p |
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sfan5 |
hahaha http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/1nqhag/attacking_tor_how_the_nsa_targets_users_online/ccl2byb |
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Miner_48er |
sfan5 can you define soon? |
| 21:27 |
sfan5 |
no |
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| 21:38 |
ShadowNinja |
cy1: Try to keep the line length a bit lower. And are you using spaces for indentation? |
| 21:40 |
ShadowNinja |
cy1: Also spaces after commas, and you added some semicolons in some places. |
| 21:43 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 21:44 |
ShadowNinja |
cy1: object:is_player() looks unnecessary. |
| 21:44 |
VanessaE |
he's off early. |
| 21:45 |
ShadowNinja |
cy1: If object is nil in pickupOrStop it will crash, therefore either the conditional should be moved or removed. |
| 21:46 |
ShadowNinja |
cy1: "entity" would be a better name for a LuaEntity than "lua". |
| 21:47 |
VanessaE |
note to self: read the code a bit before suggesting a feature :) |
| 21:47 |
ShadowNinja |
cy1: moveTowards() would be shorter with vector helpers. |
| 21:47 |
cy1 |
ShadowNinja: semicolons are a habit. I try to avoid them. And thanks for suggestions. A lot of this stuff is just copied from PilzAdam so it's not optimal |
| 21:47 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: I'd avoid vectors until they can be properly sanitized and backtrace-enabled |
| 21:48 |
VanessaE |
(e.g. your patch if not something else) |
| 21:48 |
ShadowNinja |
cy1: Line 59 has to be re-done, use this: |
| 21:49 |
cy1 |
My problem is that minetest.handle_node_drops doesn't seem to be called when I drop a node. |
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cy1 |
That's what I'mma fix first. :p |
| 21:49 |
ShadowNinja |
minetest.after(1, function(obj, inv, player) |
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ShadowNinja |
pickupOrStop(obj, inv, player) |
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ShadowNinja |
end, obj, inv, player) |
| 21:50 |
cy1 |
oh so not in {}'s? |
| 21:51 |
ShadowNinja |
Nope, that passes a table where {[1] = player, [2] = inv, [3] = object} |
| 21:51 |
cy1 |
Yeah. |
| 21:52 |
cy1 |
I just didn't know what minetest.after expected to get. |
| 21:52 |
ShadowNinja |
That creates a unnecessary table, the function receives everyting passed after in to minetest.after. |
| 21:52 |
ShadowNinja |
Add spaces around arthimetic operators. |
| 21:53 |
cy1 |
Ugh, stupid globals... |
| 21:53 |
cy1 |
technic chainsaw, builtin item,creative init, and item drop init all define minetest.handle_node_drops. technic's the only one that saves the old value. |
| 21:54 |
ShadowNinja |
Remove uses of env:. |
| 21:55 |
ShadowNinja |
Hah, my mod is the only one doing it right. :-) |
| 21:55 |
ShadowNinja |
(Or at least one that I develop) |
| 21:56 |
cy1 |
to be fair, builtin item can pretty much assume there will be no old handler. It goes first. |
| 21:58 |
cy1 |
Now this is a quandary. How to set the on_activate function for an object that loads from an unloaded block? It's not like it drops a second time. |
| 21:59 |
ShadowNinja |
Hmmm? Redefine the builtin on_activate and read the staticdata. |
| 22:00 |
cy1 |
Yeah, and save the old one. But it has to be for all objects, and I'd just assume another mod doesn't use staticdata. Maybe a magic type number stuck in there. |
| 22:01 |
chlue |
just curios, what is wrong with the current item drop mod? |
| 22:01 |
cy1 |
on_* are defined for every item type. I'm not sure if it's global... hm... |
| 22:01 |
cy1 |
chlue: It doesn't expire items right. |
| 22:02 |
chlue |
ok |
| 22:03 |
xiong |
You guys. What happened with 'technic'? More stuff broken than I can count. |
| 22:03 |
cy1 |
Settings lul |
| 22:03 |
ShadowNinja |
cy1: Use minetest.serialize/deserialize to ensure multiple mods can use staticdata. |
| 22:03 |
cy1 |
Good idea ShadowNinja. |
| 22:04 |
ShadowNinja |
xiong: Nothing broken. master is for git only. |
| 22:04 |
xiong |
I don't even know if BR pulled master. I'm asking what happened. |
| 22:04 |
xiong |
Why this sharp right-hand turn? |
| 22:05 |
xiong |
Right or wrong, people are gonna fall off the cart. |
| 22:05 |
Nocte |
Oh also: Have you guys seen the Pokémon mod for Minecraft? Hehehe. |
| 22:05 |
ShadowNinja |
I partially rewrote technic because it had ugly, ugly, ugly code. |
| 22:05 |
cy1 |
I noticed the Settings global which has been in technic for a while now doesn't exist. Not sure what's up with that. |
| 22:05 |
xiong |
Somebody changed a lot of behavior, too. |
| 22:05 |
ShadowNinja |
cy1: It is inly available in git versions of Minetest. |
| 22:06 |
ShadowNinja |
only* |
| 22:06 |
cy1 |
ShadowNinja: Right. That's the right hand turn though. It's in minetest, not technic. |
| 22:07 |
xiong |
Well, something firebombed a couple weeks' worth of hard work. |
| 22:07 |
ShadowNinja |
cy1: ? LuaSettings > Simplistic Lua clone of C++ Settings. |
| 22:07 |
cy1 |
ShadowNinja: I don't know the details. If minetest core made that change then it's probably a good idea. |
| 22:08 |
cy1 |
xiong: the specific error message might help |
| 22:08 |
ShadowNinja |
cy1: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d820a6bfd807b6d181a858f3ea8a0d0f5c2b1879 |
| 22:08 |
xiong |
Solar does not work because the chunk unloads out of sight. That might be consistent but it's not how it used to work. Battery boxes don't seem to work with converters at all. A lot of recipes have changed, which destroys economies. |
| 22:08 |
xiong |
It's not an error. |
| 22:08 |
xiong |
The game runs, you know. |
| 22:08 |
cy1 |
Battery boxes have been broken for a while... |
| 22:08 |
xiong |
It's not one thing; it's a half-dozen or more. |
| 22:08 |
cy1 |
converter/boxes I mean. |
| 22:09 |
cy1 |
Only HV generators charge HV boxes, MV to MV etc, for some reason. |
| 22:09 |
xiong |
The converter formula has been changed. |
| 22:09 |
cy1 |
I've got a giant geothermal thing, and my MV battery box stays empty, though the tool workshop and electric furnace go just fine. |
| 22:09 |
xiong |
I had HV solar downconverting, charging MV box, running MV bus. That's all pooed. |
| 22:09 |
ShadowNinja |
Supply converters neve worked properly, thay are a little batter now, but the switching station needs to be rewritten to support it. |
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cy1 |
Low Y MV generators might be nice... |
| 22:10 |
ShadowNinja |
-> #minetest-technic |
| 22:10 |
cy1 |
It's either use LV battery charger, or a Nuclear plant! |
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zat1 |
Am I the only one noticing that minetestserver consumes way too much CPU? |
| 22:12 |
us|0gb |
THis is odd. Minetest animations support type="vertical_frames" but not type="horizontal_frames". |
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cy1 |
zat: lol yeah |
| 22:15 |
cy1 |
In environment.cpp when it activates objects, it reads the object's integer type from the database. Then in serverobject.cpp it calls a factory function based on that type, and does nothing else. |
| 22:15 |
cy1 |
So there are no global hooks to deal with on_activate :( |
| 22:15 |
zat |
cy1: lol |
| 22:15 |
ShadowNinja |
cy1: Far from it, everyone with a server knows that it is too high. |
| 22:16 |
cy1 |
CPU is too damn high! |
| 22:18 |
cy1 |
OK so there are only two object types, entities and items. LuaEntitySAO = entity (why Lua?) and ItemSAO = item. So the on_activate for items in general might be hookable... |
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cy1 |
Peculiar, every time after an ItemSAO is created, it registers its type to be created, even though it had to already be registered for that constructor to be called. Should register statically or something. |
| 22:22 |
Peacock |
lol comments http://games.slashdot.org/story/13/10/04/1935259/steam-machine-prototypes-use-intel-cpus-nvidia-gpus?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter |
| 22:33 |
cy1 |
Ugh... |
| 22:34 |
cy1 |
ShadowNinja: Not sure there is an on_activate for items at all in minetest core. It specifically calls luaentity_Activate, and on_activate isn't mentioned anywhere else. |
| 22:36 |
Peacock |
jesus, http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/04/man-douses-himself-in-gasoline-and-sets-himself-on-fire-on-the-national-mall-in-washington/ |
| 22:39 |
ShadowNinja |
cy1: on_activate it definitely called for entities, items are just annother entity with the name __builtim:item. |
| 22:39 |
ShadowNinja |
__builtin:item* |
| 22:40 |
cy1 |
ShadowNinja: No, they're created with createItemSAO, which constructs a new ItemSAO, which is not derived from LuaEntitySAO, but its base class ServerActiveObject. |
| 22:41 |
cy1 |
minetest.env:add_item calls createItemSAO I mean |
| 22:43 |
ShadowNinja |
Hmmm, bug? Why is there a ItemSAO? |
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kahrl |
ItemSAO is for compatibility with older maps |
| 22:50 |
kahrl |
and no, add_item doesn't call createItemSAO |
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kaeza |
greetings |
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Peacock |
greetings |
| 22:54 |
zsoltisawesome |
Hello, I come in peace |
| 22:55 |
Peacock |
zsoltisawesome, get out, and take your dishonour with you |
| 22:55 |
Peacock |
(just kidding) |
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zsoltisawesome |
WHAT!!!! (lol) |
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zsoltisawesome |
Not to advertise, but has anyone heard of Moontest? |
| 22:58 |
Peacock |
thats when you flash your butt to police on the highway and test whether you get arrested or not? |
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zsoltisawesome |
Lol |
| 22:59 |
zsoltisawesome |
No |
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paramat |
ha |
| 23:00 |
Peacock |
moon type games will be cool when rba's dome stuff will be finished tho |
| 23:02 |
paramat |
Peacock, im working on a simpler paragen lvm with the new faster perlin functions, should be ready for testing later tonight |
| 23:03 |
Peacock |
how i test: try setting time while the map loads |
| 23:03 |
Peacock |
if theres lag, multiply for each user on a public server and it gives me a good idea |
| 23:03 |
paramat |
yeah im looking forward to custom skies, although i dislike those photo realistic examples in the thread |
| 23:04 |
paramat |
hm even lvm mods may be too slow for a server, btw have you tried paragenv7, 4 secs per chunk |
| 23:04 |
Peacock |
that uses mgv7 right? |
| 23:04 |
paramat |
yes |
| 23:05 |
Peacock |
how do i use it to set a realm at 25K while not affecting the default terrain at 0? |
| 23:05 |
paramat |
heh .. um |
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arsdragonfly |
paramat : perlin-noise clouds? |
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Peacock |
hehe thats why mapgen should be lua objects with extra configs :P |
| 23:06 |
paramat |
i think mgv7 is always at y = 0, so displace it sideways? |
| 23:06 |
Peacock |
but then that'd fuck up the default terrain on my months old map |
| 23:06 |
paramat |
p-n clouds done |
| 23:06 |
Peacock |
which at y=0, is 100 nodes underwater |
| 23:07 |
paramat |
... in paragen 0.2.0, clouds appear according to humidity perlin, high humidity = dark clouds |
| 23:08 |
paramat |
:) yeah flooded earth, would need an impassable barrier? a big gap to divide realms? |
| 23:08 |
paramat |
paragenv7 is not even lvm yet, so it will get faster |
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zsoltisawesome |
Bye |
| 23:09 |
paramat |
our irc chat a few days ago reminded me to slap some biomes down on mgv7, the result is my best mod ever :} |
| 23:10 |
Menche |
my attempts at adding biomes to mgv7 have impossibly high ravine/rivers |
| 23:11 |
Peacock |
not sure how to do realms that generate quickly enough |
| 23:17 |
paramat |
i think hm-mm wants to make the completed mgv7 capable of generating custom biomes and realms at any height, of 3 types: sky realm, suface realm, underworld realm ... to generate a vertical stack |
| 23:17 |
paramat |
^ surface not sue-face realm hah |
| 23:17 |
Peacock |
the height should be adjustable though so you can have as many or as little as you want |
| 23:18 |
paramat |
yes |
| 23:18 |
paramat |
nows the time to bug hm-mm about it :) he's working on it |
| 23:19 |
Peacock |
well i think he has a dayjob too like rba |
| 23:19 |
Peacock |
so lets not bug too much lol |
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paramat |
be back later |
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