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00:00 Nocte "You can't do that! Its dangerous!!!" Ugh...
00:00 dafull97 who has heard of the quote "The early bird gets the worm..."?
00:00 Nocte Also: Democrats trying to ban guns in America. :|
00:00 Peacock that would be a mistake
00:01 Nocte Well 'Assault guns' or whatever the term was they used.
00:01 Peacock criminals can't get guns the legal way, and eliminating legal guns won't stem the flow of illegal weapons
00:02 Peacock it wouldn't hurt to look at people's mental health records though before selling them anything lol
00:02 Peacock with all this freemen of the land BS getting popular
00:03 arsdragonfly !up 101.245.250.112
00:03 MinetestBot 101.245.250.112:30000 is up (583ms)
00:03 Nocte And they seem to be using the school shootings and such as an excuse to ban legal guns.
00:03 ndjdjksisksk ok
00:03 Peacock well thats real simple to explain: in most action movies, the goodies shoot up the baddies. How do you think kids see their bullies?
00:03 ndjdjksisksk is that a minetest server
00:03 ndjdjksisksk if so whta version
00:04 Nocte Yeah, Peacock.
00:04 Nocte But you could blame it on the parent. ;)
00:05 arsdragonfly ndj, latest git running on this phone
00:05 Peacock well mix in the nanny state with parents who expect schools to raise their children and that's what you get
00:05 arsdragonfly i can't announce it to the main server, it says timeout reached
00:05 Nocte Peacock, heh...
00:05 Peacock still anounces
00:07 Nocte Also: I was reading this history thing on slavery and it sooo biased against Christians. :|
00:08 Nocte And it actually thought Muslims treated slaves well just from what their holy book says. Hehe.
00:08 Peacock well duh, the colonization of Africa was justified by saying they were bringing culture and christianity to the dark continent
00:08 Nocte Yeh.
00:09 Nocte Still, I bet Muslims did not treat slaves well either.
00:09 Nocte And no mention of how vile the Egyptians were acting towards their slaves. Hah.
00:10 Peacock alot of nasty things have been done in the name of most religions lol
00:11 Nocte Yeh. But then again, most of them probably didn't act like their code said.
00:12 Peacock depends how people translate and interpret the ancient texts
00:13 Nocte I guess you could say that but yeh.
00:16 Nocte Peacock, what movie did you recently watch? (Any, old, new and in between.)
00:17 Peacock Emperor
00:17 Peacock though its not horror
00:18 Nocte IMBD Link?
00:18 Peacock !g Emperor imdb
00:18 MinetestBot Peacock: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2103264/
00:19 Nocte War movie?
00:19 Peacock thats what the description says
00:19 Nocte :p
00:20 Nocte The description sounds bit more like Drama stuff.
00:24 VanessaE bbl
00:25 Nocte Hmm... I wonder if there's any good horror movie from the 90s. Oh and anyone remember Brothers Grimm?
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01:04 Exio4 ew
01:04 Exio4 github down, for nth time
01:04 Exio4 what happens :(
01:10 ShadowNinja Works for me.
01:10 ShadowNinja They fix issues pretty fast.
01:11 ShadowNinja No mentions of recent downtime at status.github.com.
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01:37 sdzen evil connections
01:38 Peacock http://www.stuffistumbledupon.com/wp-cont​ent/uploads/2012/10/scumbag-computere-mem​e-cant-connect-to-internet-check-online-f​or-solutions-to-the-problem-lol-fu.jpg
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01:59 xiong GitHub++
02:00 * us|0gb wonders if GitHub++ is to GitHub what C++ is to C
02:01 xiong No no, I'm adding karma to the term. Some channel bots actually keep score.
02:01 us|0gb And this can be added to any term?
02:02 xiong The ones I've seen, yes; any arbitrary identifier. Also, 'foo-' will decrement.
02:02 us|0gb Double plus but single minus?
02:02 xiong Please don't ask me why '++' and '-'; such stuff drives me nuts.
02:02 us|0gb Yeah, me as well.
02:02 us|0gb GNU++
02:02 us|0gb Minetest++
02:03 us|0gb PilzAdam++
02:03 xiong Like, the command line options zoo. -p, --p, -P, +p
02:03 us|0gb VanessaE++
02:04 xiong Never "let's pick a standard and adhere to it". Always "this is how I think it should be done".
02:04 us|0gb Yeah ...
02:04 xiong Um... I have no idea at all if any bot in this chan actually processes karma.
02:04 us|0gb I always try "--help" when I don't know a command, but sometimes you need "-help" instead. Best are the applications that implement both.
02:05 xiong MinetestBot help
02:05 xiong Dunno.
02:06 us|0gb !help
02:06 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
02:06 ShadowNinja My bot can proccess it, but that module isn't loaded ATM.
02:06 xiong Well, I don't see 'karma'.
02:06 us|0gb ShadowBot would have responded to "ShadowBot help" as well.
02:06 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: list
02:06 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Admin, Aka, Anonymous, BotYield, Brainfuck, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Ctcp, FloodProtector, Games, GitHub, Google, Karma, Later, Math, MessageParser, Minetest, Misc, Network, Owner, Quote, Services, SimpleReply, String, Topic, URL, User, Utilities, and Web
02:07 ShadowNinja Karma added.
02:07 us|0gb ShadowBot++
02:07 xiong Well, thanks.
02:07 xiong ShadowBot help
02:07 xiong Funk.
02:07 ShadowNinja But you will have to PM it as it pretty much ignores this channel when MinetestBot is around. Not sure if Karma works.
02:08 us|0gb It won't respond if MinetestBot is here.
02:08 kaeza GNU-
02:09 kaeza BSD++
02:09 ShadowNinja Yep, it ignores karma in here while MinetestBot is around.
02:10 xiong And won't accept it under the table in /query, either.
02:10 xiong Nice thought, though.
02:11 xiong Anyway, I don't assign karma in hopes that a bot is keeping it, us|0gb. I just use that convention to communicate with squishy meat bags.
02:11 us|0gb GNU++
02:11 us|0gb Windows-
02:12 us|0gb Ah, I see. So it's an excuse then. I understand that.
02:12 us|0gb OSX-
02:12 kaeza lol
02:12 us|0gb I don't know if spaces work.
02:12 kaeza thought you were a fan of Macs O_o
02:12 xiong I got into a habit in a chan where the bot not only accumulated karma but spit out a web page containing exhaustive stats on everything from frequency of curses to rate of conversation-killing.
02:13 us|0gb I was. Until I was enlightened as to how bad they are. Though they're not as bad as certain other systems.
02:13 xiong Mac OS X is not Mac. Mac was killed... and as you see, it didn't work out so well for the guy who killed it.
02:14 us|0gb I don't understand.
02:14 xiong The last Macintosh operating system was 9.2.2.
02:15 us|0gb Mac OS you mean? OS X used to be called Mac OS X, you know.
02:15 us|0gb Plus, it runs on iMacs.
02:15 xiong Steve decided against trying to develop and maintain his own OS, which may or may not have been a wise decision; and switched to FreeBSD, which was unwise but understandable.
02:15 us|0gb Yes, OS X is built on FreeBSD.
02:15 xiong Despite the name, Mac OS X bears no resemblance to Mac OS.
02:16 us|0gb I know it doesn't, but it is still a Mac.
02:16 us|0gb It's a newer type of Mac.
02:16 xiong Well, let me tell you a story...
02:16 us|0gb OS X is not Mac OS, but they are both Mac.
02:16 xiong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped​ia:How_many_legs_does_a_horse_have%3F
02:18 us|0gb Okay .... I see your point, but OS X is the next generation of Mac. If OS X isn't Mac then XP, Vista, 7, 8, and 8.1 are not Windows.
02:19 xiong That may or may not be true... but I certainly don't care. I mean, hur hur, you said "windows".
02:20 us|0gb I say Windows all the time, usually in a negative context. That statement was unusually neutral for me.
02:20 xiong However, as we chat, there is a beige G3 four feet from my back, running 9.2.2 very well, thank you.
02:21 us|0gb It's not a free (as in freedom) system though, which is what's wrong with OS X as well.
02:21 xiong I used to say "I'm the last guy out of the Mac room." Until I realized... I'm not all the way out.
02:21 us|0gb So Mac OS is no better.
02:21 Peacock prefer work (as in working) :P
02:21 xiong When Mac was current it was good. Now it's dinosaur bones.
02:22 us|0gb GNU/Linux works better than OS X and Windows and GNU/Linux-libre, but I use GNU/Linux-libre anyway.
02:23 xiong I have no respect for the cat-Mac family at all. The real nice thing about Mac OS was that it was thrifty. This G2 runs at 300 Mhz and cooks right along. Less fat, more action.
02:23 us|0gb Peacock, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1IqqlW1U4k
02:23 xiong Excuse me, G3.
02:23 Peacock its called Linux :P as in linus torvalds, rms had jack to do with the linux kernel and his hurd is still called a turd in many circles :P
02:24 * xiong gets as far away from a Stallman rant as possible
02:24 us|0gb Linux is a kernel only. GNU makes up more of the system than Linux. If you call it just GNU, that would make sense, but to call it just Linux makes no sense.
02:24 xiong Five!
02:24 Peacock wouldn't this conversation be better suited to #freesoftware?
02:25 Peacock not really interested in FSF brainwashing
02:25 us|0gb You started that, not me. "<Peacock> its called Linux". I only responded to what you said.
02:25 Peacock because its copied verbatim from RMS's articles
02:25 us|0gb I don't just take people correcting me when I'm already using the correct terminology.
02:26 us|0gb I don't read that guy's articles.
02:26 Peacock you subscribe to the FSF's views, which are his views...
02:26 us|0gb I also was calling it GNU/Linux before I joined his side.
02:26 us|0gb I used to disagree with him and I STILL called it GNU/Linux.
02:27 us|0gb Calling it Linux is like calling all of Windows just "Internet Explorer". Internet Explorer is only a small part of the system.
02:27 Peacock in any case, if were going to rehash FSF propaganda, #freesoftware would be a better place
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02:29 us|0gb If you want to discuss it there, I've joined, but I'm also ready to drop the topic if you are done telling me to use the incorrect terminology.
02:30 Peacock it's just that the proselytizing gets a little tiring
02:31 us|0gb I have people trying to convert me to Windows all the time.
02:32 dafull97 us|0gb, dont like windows? me either... but i still use some
02:32 Peacock on here?
02:33 us|0gb On here, at least months ago. I've not been on long enough for it to start this time.
02:34 Peacock im surprised since we have fewer windows users, what i most often notice on here is zealots telling everyone else how they should use their computers and how they should license their works
02:35 us|0gb I thought Windows users were still the majority here. Has that changed? Or was my perception wrong and they were never the majority here?
02:36 Peacock to my knowledge theres always been more linux users playing minetest
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02:37 us|0gb Hmm. I guess the number of Windows unofficial builds and the fact that the official Windows build comes out first may have mislead me.
02:38 us|0gb Or it could have been something else.
02:38 us|0gb helpineed, what help do you need?
02:39 Peacock we have alot of windows builds because windows users aren't incredibly familiar with compiling their own stuff :P
02:39 Peacock but in the absence of any usage statistics, we can't know for sure either way
02:39 Peacock (i could be wrong)
02:40 us|0gb I know some of my favorite people here are/were Windows users. But then again, some are not.
02:41 us|0gb Hmm. I wonder if there are any left ....
02:42 us|0gb I think the last two Windows using people I hung out with a lot here were Bearbar123 (who went AWOL) and jojoa1997, who I hear no longer uses.
02:45 Peacock well, when people ask for help with linux and stuff i give it to them, but if they're comfortable with their choices i dont try to convert or disparage them for it, heck even i got a dualboot lol
02:45 Peacock (some games just suck in wine)
02:47 us|0gb Wait ... how did this even get started? I don't remember trying to push someone away from Windows today.
02:47 Peacock <us|0gb> It's not a free (as in freedom) system though, which is what's wrong with OS X as well.
02:48 us|0gb Ah, which was in responce to Mac OS being any better than Mac OS X. Ignoring freedom, OS X isn't a bad system if you don't give yourself an admin account.
02:49 us|0gb In response to me decrementing OS X, someone was saying Mac OS was better than it.
02:49 Peacock personally i know quite a few long time linux users who switched to OSX
02:49 Peacock (not here on #minetest)
02:50 Peacock cuz they couldn't keep playing minetest lol
02:50 us|0gb Yeah, I can see that happening.
02:50 Peacock i guess it depends on people's priorities, for some its freedom, for others it's ease of use
02:50 Peacock it's mostly older people with families who tell me they dont have as much free time as they used to fix and tweak things that switch away
02:51 us|0gb For me, GNU/Linux is the easiest to use, but GNU/Linux-libre represents freedom. So I can ALMOST have both ...
02:51 us|0gb (Both freedom and ease, I mean.(
02:51 helpineed In the landrush server, how do you get raw coconut?
02:51 us|0gb *)
02:52 Peacock generally im for open source, but i think the fsf is extremist :P im more for choices than rms-style freedom
02:52 us|0gb Hmm. Sorry, I have no idea. Maybe palm trees on the beach have coconuts.
02:52 us|0gb I was like that too for a while, Peacock.
02:53 us|0gb I understand both sides.
02:55 Peacock well me its the opposite :P i used to care more about freedom than functionality around ~04-05
02:56 Peacock but years of always having to fix something changed me on that stance lol
02:57 us|0gb I find it strange how much a veiwpoint can change over time. But it happens to everyone, I think.
02:59 us|0gb Ugh. I suppose I should go out for dishwasher detergent.
02:59 us|0gb I'll see you all in an hour or so when I get back, if you're still here.
02:59 Peacock right now i still wonder how pulseaudio ships default lol
03:00 Peacock aiight, i gots dishes to do too lol
03:00 us|0gb THere's a lot of things in probably all systems that should not ship default no matter what your priorities are.
03:01 us|0gb My default music sftware sucks.
03:01 us|0gb *software
03:04 Peacock ah that i dont need music software anymore, jango.com, hypem.com, stream it all lol
03:32 dafull97 What server shouldi run that is l;ight to make money?
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03:38 ndjdjksisksk hi
03:39 Peacock im not aware of any server that just makes money :P
03:39 Peacock unless you attach a printing press to it
03:40 ndjdjksisksk lol
03:40 dafull97 LOL, not literally
03:41 * ndjdjksisksk is printing this person is at x,y,z
03:42 helpineed yo
03:42 ndjdjksisksk hi
03:42 helpineed twhat sup ndjd
03:42 helpineed its me universalbuilder :-)
03:42 ndjdjksisksk cool hi
03:42 ndjdjksisksk :)
03:42 ndjdjksisksk :D
03:43 ndjdjksisksk go on the lanrush serevr
03:43 ndjdjksisksk i will see you there
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03:45 ndjdjksisksk hi kaeza
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03:51 ndjdjksisksk hey uni
03:51 ndjdjksisksk i am going to go to a different server
03:52 helpineed ok
03:52 helpineed well im busy learning coding
03:52 helpineed thanks though
03:52 ndjdjksisksk lol lua?
03:58 helpineed um no
03:58 helpineed php
03:59 ndjdjksisksk oh
03:59 helpineed sorry for the late responses
03:59 ndjdjksisksk lol
03:59 ndjdjksisksk i am going to learn cpp
03:59 ndjdjksisksk if ican
04:03 AWTom it's been a while since a capital letter was used.
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04:06 helpineed LOL
04:06 ndjdjksisksk lol
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04:42 zsoltisawesome Hi all!
04:42 ndjdjksisksk hi
04:43 ndjdjksisksk i am ndjdjksisksk
04:43 zsoltisawesome I noticed
04:43 ndjdjksisksk (i do not tell my real name)
04:43 ndjdjksisksk lol
04:43 zsoltisawesome Lawl
04:44 zsoltisawesome Good for you!
04:44 ndjdjksisksk what the ccurd is this person talking about oh wait my username is right here < lol
04:44 ndjdjksisksk in the lsft of the screen
04:44 ndjdjksisksk (joke)
04:44 zsoltisawesome :D
04:45 ManOfMinetest24 Better?
04:46 ndjdjksisksk yep
04:46 ManOfMinetest24 :)
04:47 * ndjdjksisksk is also known as stormchaser3000
04:48 stormchaser3000 is thi better
04:48 ManOfMinetest24 Ya
04:48 stormchaser3000 lol
04:48 ManOfMinetest24 Alot easier to write on an iphone
04:48 stormchaser3000 lol
04:49 ManOfMinetest24 I wish this thing would not be so poorly supported
04:50 stormchaser3000 i know right
04:50 ManOfMinetest24 I have the least supported iPhone there is: iPhone 3G (armv6)
04:51 stormchaser3000 wow
04:51 ManOfMinetest24 It's a pain
04:51 stormchaser3000 won't be compiling minetest on that
04:52 ManOfMinetest24 Lol
04:52 ManOfMinetest24 Ikr
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04:52 stormchaser3000 unless it is minettest 0.3.1
04:52 stormchaser3000 or 0.0.1
04:53 ManOfMinetest24 Which reminds me, is there support for raspberry pi in 0.4.7?
04:53 stormchaser3000 yes there is asksfan5 for th e bubuild
04:54 ManOfMinetest24 Ok cool, I really really hate building things with 512mb ram
04:54 stormchaser3000 lo
04:54 stormchaser3000 llol
04:54 stormchaser3000 lol
04:55 ManOfMinetest24 Third times the charm
04:55 stormchaser3000 lolololololololololololololololololololololol​olololololololololololololololololololololol
04:55 stormchaser3000 lol
04:55 ManOfMinetest24 Minetest
04:56 stormchaser3000 lol
04:56 ManOfMinetest24 Did anyone notice 0gb.us' character mod? I found it very well thought out
04:57 stormchaser3000 ima go play minetest classic on the public1.minetest-classic.com
04:57 stormchaser3000 mqbie
04:57 stormchaser3000 other wies i am just on irc
04:58 stormchaser3000 um no i ealy don't see the mod usfull
04:59 ManOfMinetest24 I honesty wish they would hurry up and make a port for iOS (I bet it's insufficient funds)
05:00 stormchaser3000 nah s\some\eone will get it to work
05:00 ManOfMinetest24 And sadly I can't help there (thank goodness for spell check)
05:01 stormchaser3000 lol
05:02 ManOfMinetest24 If they wrap it in java you've got one system down, another one to go....
05:03 ManOfMinetest24 And it would be a pain to rewrite EVERYTHING in Obj-C
05:04 ManOfMinetest24 So idk what to do about iOS....
05:05 ManOfMinetest24 Sidenote: it seems we are the only ones active here....
05:05 stormchaser3000 lol
05:06 Miner_48er hi
05:07 stormchaser3000 hi
05:07 ManOfMinetest24 Never mind
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05:09 stormchaser3000 um that was sad
05:09 stormchaser3000 h iminer
05:09 Miner_48er hi
05:09 stormchaser3000 are you on a server
05:10 Miner_48er yes
05:10 stormchaser3000 which one
05:12 Miner_48er vanessaE survival server also watching linuxgaming.us, ShadowNinja, Kaesa, and king-arthur
05:12 stormchaser3000 wowo i am on vanesa es server
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05:13 stormchaser3000 se you on there
05:18 Peacock Miner you mean Kaeza or Kaiser?
05:18 Miner_48er kaeza
05:18 Peacock figured it wasn't Kaiser Wilhelm II
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07:50 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W6A2kvbigU
07:53 VanessaE hi all
07:55 jin_xi morning
07:56 VanessaE haha
07:56 Peacock well isn't it morning for you? :P
07:57 VanessaE yes; I was laughing at Jordach's link
07:58 Peacock oh lol delayed reaction :P
08:06 Jordach aww
08:06 Jordach nocte isnt here
08:07 VanessaE too bad I missed "ineedhelp"'s question...
08:07 Peacock i think nocte and i discussed the gov't shutdown earlier, so he may be depressed and drinking heavily right now :P
08:09 Peacock coincidentally, they're the top two article subjects on the economist's website
08:11 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/N4f8qVz.jpg <- OH FUUU
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08:51 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Smile Day! :-D
08:52 VanessaE hi
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08:53 JamesTait Hi VanessaE, how's tricks?
08:53 Jordach hey JamesTait
08:53 Jordach :)
08:54 JamesTait Hey Jordach! :)
08:54 Peacock who's turning tricks?
08:54 * VanessaE don't turn tricks :P
08:54 JamesTait Oh you guys, you're so literal. :-P
08:54 Peacock :P
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08:56 cy1 Ah, what a mess. I wonder if item_drop would work better with node timers.
08:56 Peacock thats one thing i dont get about the english language, you have "soliciting" = on the game, and solicitor = lawyer
08:57 Nocte English is kind of confusing language a lot of the time.
08:57 JamesTait Peacock, there are *loads* of things I don't get about the English language. ;)
08:57 Nocte But not as bad as Swedish.
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08:57 Peacock so if you get arrested for soliciting, you need a solicitor XD
08:58 VanessaE Peacock: and in America, "solicitor" is someone who goes door-to-door selling stuff
08:58 JamesTait Like, considerate and inconsiderate are oppoites, but flammable and inflammable are equivalent.
08:58 Peacock and again, many people think of lawyers as prostitutes themselves lol
08:58 JamesTait *opposites
08:58 Nocte Hmm, anything crazy stuff in the news Peacock?
08:59 Peacock so someone who goes door to door selling sex would be a solicitor raised to the power of 2?
08:59 VanessaE haha
08:59 JamesTait Solicitor squared!
08:59 Nocte Ouch.
08:59 VanessaE Peacock: no, Playboy doesn't sell door-to-door as far as I'm aware :P
09:01 Peacock oh god, when i worked in the convenience stores, i had customers pick those up from the shelves and use the bathrooms
09:01 Peacock ughughughugh
09:01 Nocte Ugh.
09:01 VanessaE haha
09:01 Nocte Seriously?
09:01 Nocte They can't even pay for their fap material?
09:01 Nocte Go to internet then. Lulz.
09:02 Peacock that too, when i worked in the internet cafe...
09:02 Nocte You remember KJUGASCHAMBERS 4chan prank?
09:02 Jordach hey Nocte
09:03 Nocte What's up Jordach?
09:03 Peacock nothing much in the news (tho 5am here, so mostly euro news coming in right now)
09:03 Nocte Euro news might have crazy stuff in there.
09:04 Nocte But haven't watched news/read news as I got something better to do.
09:05 Jordach Nocte, http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/route-1-try-1/
09:05 Nocte Now its stuck in my head. Damn it.
09:05 Peacock well in euro news, golden shower party leader arrested, boat carrying illegal immigrants sink of italian coast
09:06 Peacock *off
09:06 Nocte Goldern shower? What is that kind of name supposed to be? :|
09:07 Peacock http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/03/us-g​reece-goldendawn-leader-idUSBRE99201320131003
09:07 Jordach yay less immigrants in the UK
09:07 Nocte Also: Americans think they are so progressive for having the first black president in there, guess what? We had a female president before Obama. :D
09:07 VanessaE someone who wants to say "piss on all politicians"?
09:07 Peacock jordach they were presumably heading to Italy
09:07 Jordach Peacock, most immigrants head to the UK 9/10
09:07 Peacock Obama is female?
09:07 Jordach tranny!
09:07 Nocte "We had a female president before Obama."
09:07 Nocte Read it right. ;)
09:08 Peacock dont know if theyll keep heading to the UK, finances aren't exactly in order, and cameron wants to cut welfare for the < 25s
09:08 Peacock we had Kim Campbell in the early 90s
09:09 Nocte Hehe.
09:09 Nocte Also what's with these campuses and their 'speech codes' in the U.S? :p
09:10 Nocte Limiting freedom of the speech seems like their favorite hobby. Hehe.
09:10 VanessaE Nocte: little children, seeing what they can get away with, of course.
09:10 Jordach does anyone read the amendments anymore
09:11 Nocte Hm?
09:11 Peacock Nocte holocaust denial is also illegal in Europe :P
09:11 Nocte "It didn't happen?" <- this?
09:11 Peacock in every part of the world there are things you just dont say
09:11 Nocte Or what kind of denial?
09:11 VanessaE Nocte: take it up a notcj.
09:11 VanessaE notch*
09:12 Peacock !g zundel
09:12 MinetestBot Peacock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel
09:12 Peacock that guy
09:12 VanessaE "it didn't happen" --> "not only didn't it happen, everything you see is a complete fabrication by EVIL XXXXXX"
09:12 VanessaE (for whatever political, social, or national group you want to fill in
09:12 Nocte Ah.
09:13 Nocte Well, THAT is bad kind of thing because it hurts people with connections to people in the holocaust.. :|
09:13 VanessaE there are people in the US who genuinely believe that ^^
09:13 Peacock well not just the US but all over
09:13 VanessaE yeah
09:13 Nocte Its like saying: Nope, World War II didn't happen.
09:14 VanessaE not to mention, to make matters worse, there are people who say that it should happen AGAIN.
09:14 Nocte Neo-Nazis and such?
09:14 VanessaE arabs.
09:14 VanessaE (mostly, and neo-nazis)
09:14 Nocte Racist!!! lulz. ;)
09:14 Peacock well neo-nazis and arabs dont just have jews in their sites
09:15 VanessaE true
09:15 VanessaE brb
09:15 Peacock they dont like gypsies or gays either
09:16 Peacock which is kinda ironic because neo-nazis tend to be a bunch of guys all hanging together all the time lol
09:16 Nocte Peacock except they are attracted to white blonds. ;)
09:16 * Nocte jokes.
09:17 Peacock bieber wouldn't stand a chance with them :P
09:17 Jordach VanessaE, we should just drop nukes over the middle east, deny everyone oil and then work out hydrogen fuels
09:18 Peacock naw, build a wall all around it, let them have their religious wars, and when no one's left, open resorts and start industries
09:18 Nocte Hey, while we are at it: Lets name the Nukes Fat Boy Mark II.
09:18 Nocte ;)
09:19 Peacock tho the ME and Africa have been a chaotic mess ever since decolonization
09:20 Peacock so liberal guilt dictates we have to get involved in every petty squabble in those regions
09:22 Peacock thank god Canada's military is a joke, no one expects us to do anything about it lol
09:23 Nocte Hey, Peacock: Do you read any history books?
09:23 Peacock http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/​o193/insanity540/funnymilitary1.jpg
09:24 Peacock i read plenty when i worked nights, now i just peruse wiki and history wikis
09:25 Nocte http://letitleak.com/Zx91798df0_for​99287/uploads/2011/12/the-bard.jpg <- also. :D ah, I just like history books. Recent one was about Viking age, vikings and their culture.
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09:26 reactor o/
09:26 Jordach why play GTA5 when you have MW2 outsied
09:26 Jordach outside*
09:26 Nocte Lol.
09:27 Peacock read this one: https://dx5y3z85enc4t.cloudfront.net/200​x200/scale/books/1266744914/6528180.jpg
09:27 Peacock long-ass read
09:27 Nocte Ah.
09:27 Nocte Was it 900 pages long? ;)
09:27 reactor Has anyone experienced the same problem: after loading a large scheme (about 2 square km), everything appears with night textures.
09:27 Peacock read another one on mussolini, don't remember that book's name though
09:28 Peacock i read my father's history books, which still referred to native inidians as "savages"
09:28 reactor Artificial lights do light it up, but the sun doesn't.
09:28 reactor What could be the cause?
09:28 reactor long ass-read.
09:29 Nocte The viking one I read was: Matka Viikinkien Mailmaan (Finnish Translation of: Exploring the world of the Vikings by Richard Hall.) Oh wow, savages?
09:29 Nocte What is this 20s or something?
09:29 Peacock reactor: re schematics, must run  calc_lighting()
09:29 reactor Oh.
09:30 reactor How do I achieve that, Peacock?
09:30 Peacock fathers' books were really old, printed on yellowish/brown paper in barely readable typeface lol
09:30 Peacock reactor, depends, your mod or someone elses?
09:30 Nocte Oh. Antique history books? :p
09:30 reactor It's WorldEdit, the latest one.
09:30 Peacock maybe worldedit has a chatcommand for that?
09:31 Peacock nocte no choice lol schools only teach politically correct history :P so, 1960's and up
09:31 Nocte Politically correct: Bash every religion other than Christianity for their actions. :|
09:31 Nocte ..
09:31 Nocte Wait.
09:31 Nocte Bash only Christianity*
09:31 cy1 I wonder if entities have any sort of metadata you can set. They're stored at the end of every block...
09:31 Nocte Brain fart.
09:32 Nocte Is still waking up it seems.
09:33 Nocte Peacock, yeah: Wait, Schools teach history? Another joke please!
09:33 cy1 To be able to measure the age of an entity would be ideal...
09:33 Peacock uhm, they give phys ed before or after serving you fries and pizza in the cafeteria lol
09:33 Peacock you can set member variables in entities
09:33 reactor On religion... How many scientists have fanatics killed? And have scientists killed even a single bigot?
09:34 Nocte Scientists torture animals. ;)
09:34 reactor If not for science, we wouldn't be able to talk here, mate.
09:35 Nocte That's another kind of science.
09:35 reactor And biology is important, too.
09:35 Peacock reactor : obj:get_luaentity().time = os.time()
09:36 reactor I haven't seen anyone who wouldn't like to live forever, or at least live long.
09:36 Peacock scientist may torture animals, but only the religious perform circumcisions :P
09:36 reactor Peacock: should I insert it somewhere in the WE code?
09:37 cy1 Peacock: It needs to persist after the entity is unloaded and reloaded, is the thing.
09:37 reactor And yes, circumcision. It's essentially mutilation.
09:37 Peacock reactor i have no idea, why would WE use entities?
09:37 reactor Unless performed for medical reasons.
09:37 Peacock ah shit cyl was asking about entities, sorry got you two mixed :P
09:37 Peacock *mixed up
09:37 Peacock (its late here)
09:37 cy1 entity > uncut
09:37 reactor Peacock: I don't know, the scheme I'm loading mostly consists of blocks.
09:38 Peacock well for WE look for the calc lighting function
09:38 Peacock it should be run before write to map
09:38 Nocte Also: Politically correct = Politically Biased.
09:38 reactor To question whether a human penis is a block or an entity is not                                          , cy1.
09:39 reactor Politically correct = Afraid of truth eh.
09:39 Peacock i pity the man with a blocky schlong
09:39 Peacock though i suppose it must increase girth
09:39 Peacock lol
09:39 reactor 1x1x1m. Must be some infection or post-surgery complication?
09:41 reactor There is such thing as elephant disease. It's caused by worms in lymphatic system.
09:41 Peacock nocte political correctness is an overreaction to bigotry, in the olden days they just let people make asses of themselves and be ostracized
09:41 Nocte You know what annoys me a bit with history books? And yup. :|
09:42 Nocte Most of them focus on the archeology part.
09:42 Nocte And not many focus on telling the facts that happened.
09:42 reactor History books are usually written in a messy fashion.
09:42 cy1 Ah, yes in LuaEntitySAO it adds the lua staticdata into the static data as "state." Could store time in that...
09:42 reactor Not systematised enough.
09:43 reactor They could at least try and write some kind of special history book for engineers.
09:43 Peacock alot of history books still do have rose tinted glasses lol
09:43 Nocte I wish it was kinda like: Introduction > Timeline > History in detail.
09:43 reactor And yeah, biased.
09:44 reactor Especially the part about Perestroika.
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09:44 Nocte Read Peres part as 'Perse' (Ass in Finnish.)
09:44 Peacock historians these days have established that the japanese were prepared to surrender before the dropping of the two bombs
09:44 Nocte :|
09:44 Peacock and that there was some foreknowledge of the attack on pearl harbour
09:44 Nocte Peacock, this ain't DC Universe! Why are they rebooting things.
09:45 Peacock speaking of reboots, they're doing Terminator from scratch
09:45 Peacock sucks cuz i though salvation was good
09:45 Nocte Nooo.
09:45 Nocte Another unoriginal Hollywood movie.
09:45 reactor Nocte: yes, it made Russia go into the gaping goatse ass of crysis it's still in.
09:46 reactor But eh.
09:46 reactor These bombs were for Pearl Harbour!
09:46 reactor They had to get even.
09:46 Peacock fun fact: china was almost nuked by the soviets, and then, by the americans lol
09:46 Peacock in both cases the other major power prevented it from happening
09:47 Peacock (re sino soviet split, and the korean war)
09:47 Peacock or was, us first then the soviets? i forget
09:48 Peacock it was macarthur in korea so probably the us in the 50s and then the soviets in the 60s before nixon went to china
09:49 Nocte What's the biggest dick move in recent (10 years) by any country? :p
09:49 Peacock probably the UK freezing icelandic assets using anti-terrorist legislation after Iceland went bust
09:50 reactor The shutdown of NASA.
09:50 Peacock (if we're excluding the wars in afghanistan, iraq and georgia)
09:50 Nocte Any kind of dick move anywhere in recent years. :P
09:51 Nocte I would say the bomb threats of North Korea or whatever.
09:51 reactor Ooh yeah yeah. That.
09:51 reactor Crazy chimps they are.
09:51 Peacock meh, you know how many times NK pulled that shit? lol
09:52 Nocte Dunno?
09:52 Peacock plenty lol
09:52 Nocte Still a dick move.
09:52 Peacock it's posturing
09:52 Nocte Especially when there's wars going on.
09:53 Peacock there's always wars going on lol
09:53 Nocte You know what I meant.
09:53 Jordach why cant they pull the SR-71 Blackbird out of retirement
09:53 Nocte Peacock, where do you live (Country) at?
09:53 reactor Same as Tu-144, Concorde or whatever: oil prices, Jordach.
09:53 Peacock Korea, Vietnam, various parts of South America, Iraq, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq
09:53 cy1 I wonder if object.on_activate gets called when the object is first spawned...
09:54 kahrl you live in a lot of places
09:54 Peacock you nuts? lol
09:54 reactor kahrl: his probability function is evenly distributed
09:54 Nocte Heh.
09:54 Peacock just citing some wars
09:55 reactor Speaking of wars.
09:55 Peacock forgot Rwanda
09:55 reactor Editor wars.
09:56 Peacock Chile
09:56 reactor Strange. With "singlenode" mapgen I still get nyan cats spawning throughout my map.
09:56 Peacock lol
09:57 Peacock at least you dont get trees and dirt :P
09:57 Peacock <Nocte> Peacock, where do you live (Country) at? Canada
09:57 Peacock (sorry just spotted lol)
09:57 * Peacock battery low
09:58 Nocte Canada? :D
09:58 reactor Eh!
09:59 Peacock well yeah you didn't notice my canadian military jokes earlier? :P
09:59 Nocte I heard Canada had some kind of 'You have to pay a shit ton of cash in order to a band to tour'.
09:59 Peacock canadian stealth drones: http://www.cbantlerart.com/image​s/articles/large/bull_moose.jpg
10:00 Peacock nocte yeah theyre charging a few hundred now for that
10:00 Nocte Hehe.
10:00 Nocte Its bad. :|
10:00 Nocte Especially new bands who want to tour.
10:00 Peacock id rather they keep the muslim extremist preachers out
10:01 Nocte They can't because of the cost because they are not that popular.
10:01 Nocte :|
10:01 Peacock most popular bands don't even wanna tour here lol
10:01 Nocte Because of Justin Bieber? ;)
10:01 Peacock but we got our payback by sending ya'll Celine Dion and Justin Bieber
10:02 Peacock and Bryan Adams
10:02 Nocte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO1zYMrbpjE <- also, some new stuff I found.
10:02 Peacock and NickelBack
10:02 Nocte Ugh.
10:03 Nocte Canada = The land of the worst bands ever.
10:03 Peacock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdxS-UJNH5g
10:03 Nocte Lol.
10:04 Peacock our bands might be shitty
10:04 * Nocte triest to think of a band he has heard that is from Canada...
10:05 Nocte Nope.
10:05 Peacock though when compared to cyrus the gozerian, and michael jackson, lol...
10:05 Nocte :p
10:05 Nocte Sweden and Finland have great Metal bands.
10:05 reactor Meh, MJ does have some good songs.
10:05 Peacock dont really like metal
10:05 Peacock i get frequent migraines already
10:05 Nocte Meh. Listening to the wrong kind then.
10:06 Nocte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWYFS1XEBug <- Swedish as it gets.
10:06 Peacock to me it all sounds like someone hurling after a long night's drinking lol
10:06 reactor Oh that... growl singing. I never understood why anyone would like that.
10:06 reactor And yes, that's the wrong kind of metal.
10:06 Nocte At least they got more vocal variety. :p
10:07 Peacock the closest i'd come to it is rammstein and deftones, and by now those are old-ish
10:07 Nocte Give Amon Amarth a try.
10:07 Nocte They got the best growls as far as I know.
10:07 Peacock these days i mostly stick to old jazz lol
10:07 Nocte And I don't even recognize they are growling anymore. :p
10:08 Peacock none of that new age crap fancy bathroom jazz
10:08 reactor Why can't they just sing?
10:08 Nocte They are singing.
10:08 reactor 6:07 < Nocte> They got the best growls as far as I know.
10:08 Nocte Generic term fro growls is Harsh vocals.
10:08 reactor s/^6/^16/
10:08 Nocte So yeah, they are singing.
10:08 Peacock im in the country, if i want growling i dont have to pay for it, the forest is 15 minutes away
10:09 Nocte Just a different style.
10:09 reactor Peacock: same here. If you mean bears.
10:09 Nocte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7c2BsuETGE <- some Swedish Power Metal.
10:09 Nocte Power Metal has the clean vocals for you.
10:09 Nocte Sometimes mixing up harsh vocals.
10:10 Peacock http://imgdump.novarata.net/image.php?dm=TLUU
10:10 Nocte Oh also: The guy who does the growls in Amon Amarth is going to be an actor in a viking saga style movie. :p
10:11 Peacock my sister's into vikings
10:11 Nocte What do you think of that Power Metal example? (Falconer.)
10:11 Peacock my wife's apparently native indian, though im darker than she is lol
10:11 Peacock as soon as she gets her cards we can go hunting w/o a permit
10:12 Nocte Amon Amarth sings about Viking history and Norse mythology. Lolz.
10:12 reactor Nocte: I do like metal where people sing with non-"Harsh vocals"
10:13 Nocte Also called 'Clean vocals'.
10:13 reactor That.
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10:13 Nocte Falconer is good.
10:13 Nocte Try the first album.
10:13 Nocte Rhapsody of Fire... only problem is their accent. ;)
10:14 reactor Growling, in fact, is not a good operating mode for the vocal folds.
10:14 Nocte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye6YHQ8AZzU <- nerdiest Metal I can think of.
10:14 Nocte reactor, harsh vocals harm your voice if you are doing it wrong.
10:14 Nocte Most bands know how to do it great.
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10:15 Nocte Give a listen to that link. ;)
10:15 reactor Sorry, no firefox handy atm.
10:15 reactor It's become awfully sluggish these days.
10:15 Nocte Oh also: Overkill is very good.
10:16 Nocte Clean style vocals which sound like a mix of Iron Maiden and AC/DC.
10:16 reactor So, Falconer, Overkill, Rhapsody of Fire?
10:16 Peacock firefox is sluggish? YT also sucks on chromium lately
10:16 reactor Peacock: firefox takes ages to load.
10:16 Nocte Can't you watch with Internet Explorer?
10:16 reactor And it's sluggish on all sites.
10:17 reactor I wouldn't.
10:17 reactor I mean, I don't even have it heh.
10:17 Nocte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y47qEIyzVFo
10:17 Peacock ever increasing ram and browsers still suck as much as ten years ago lol
10:17 kahrl youtube-dl?
10:17 Nocte Overkill right there.
10:18 reactor kahrl: last time I tried the one from ports or pkgsrc it was outdated and broken.
10:18 Peacock i have all these youtube viewing apps in synaptic that don't work lol
10:18 kahrl 2013.08.02 works for me
10:18 reactor Oh. Thanks for reminding me I am to install pkgsrc here.
10:18 Peacock on arch?
10:18 reactor FreeBSD.
10:19 Nocte Hmm..
10:19 Nocte Too bad I haven't focused on clean vocal bands... :|
10:19 Peacock if crunchbang starts sucking thats pretty much my last option to try lol
10:19 reactor Nocte: I'd rather just download their songs when I have browser at hand rather than mess with youtube anyway :D
10:19 Nocte Hard to recommend newbies Metal.
10:19 reactor Peacock: do switch, man.
10:19 reactor Debian is deteriorating.
10:20 Nocte They are all "No harsh vocals! Why don't they sing!?!?" So clichéd. ;)
10:20 reactor I haven't tried Arch, can't say about it. But eh. Why take this step if you'll end up using BSD later?
10:20 Peacock well arch is so bleeding edge they dont test jack before pushing, and debian at the opposite end tends to be ridiculously old (the package/repos)
10:20 reactor last time I used Debian it died after apt-get upgrade.
10:20 reactor So lame.
10:21 Peacock when it comes to linux i no longer bother upgrading, i install a new image every 6-9 mos
10:21 reactor I do really like the idea of having the base system separated from packages.
10:21 Peacock upgrade is code for break
10:21 Nocte If I didn't give Amon Amarth a try once. (At the time I disliked harsh vocals.) I wouldn't have know some epic bands. :D
10:21 Nocte And seen one of my favorite bands live.
10:21 reactor So if you mess up packages, you still have the base running.
10:21 reactor Peacock: in bad OS it is
10:22 Jordach fuck this, i'll go play worms armageddon
10:22 reactor Peacock: I realised Linux in general is too complicated, though.
10:22 Peacock how it feels for me upgrading: http://t.qkme.me/3qpo4r.jpg
10:22 reactor Exactly, Peacock.
10:23 Peacock you can get a working linux setup, but its not as easy as some would have you believe :P
10:23 Peacock you need to have alot of time and interest
10:23 reactor Windows depends on weather on Mars, too, though.
10:23 Peacock after 10 years my interest is dwindling lol
10:23 reactor Why not try BSD, Peacock?
10:23 VanessaE works perfectly for me every time I set up
10:23 VanessaE I don't understand why people have so much trouble>
10:23 Peacock well i switched away from windows in the days of windows ME
10:24 Peacock (millenium)
10:24 Peacock since then theres been XP and 7 which were actually decent
10:24 reactor Peacock: ha, lucky you.
10:24 reactor Well, I have used XP and 7.
10:24 Peacock vanessa every piece of hardware is different, so people have different driver issues
10:24 reactor I wasn't amused by 7. They didn't fix what I expected them to.
10:25 reactor VanessaE: and demands are different.
10:25 Nocte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdjS4qMXQmQ <- also this for clean vocals Extreme Metal. :D
10:25 VanessaE true
10:25 Peacock but for me its not just hte drivers, but the ever changing sound daemons, applications that fall in and out of development (applications you took the time to learn)
10:25 reactor OH yeah yeah.
10:25 reactor pulseaudio
10:25 Peacock ever changing DE's
10:25 reactor and dbus and hal
10:25 reactor bloatware
10:26 reactor Come on, why not just do mixing in kernel?
10:26 reactor And use sockets like our fathers did?
10:26 reactor Seriously, why invent the bicycle?
10:26 Peacock constantly rewriting shit is a fact of life in linux :P
10:26 reactor As for hardware abstraction. Ha! It's already pretty abstract!
10:27 reactor Everything-is-a-file abstraction is just enough to get it working.
10:27 Peacock when glibc change it broke my arch install last time lol
10:27 Nocte Linux... Meh.
10:27 Nocte Too many fanboys.
10:27 reactor (for lower level programs it's not, but that's a different story)
10:27 Nocte Its as bad as Twilight movies and its fans.
10:27 reactor Nocte: and hipsters
10:27 Peacock every OS has it's fanboys, and every OS has it's +/- 's
10:28 reactor True.
10:28 Nocte Yeah.
10:28 Nocte Linux have more.
10:28 reactor I wouldn't say.
10:28 Peacock i'd say apple fanboys and fsf fanboys are pretty equal
10:28 Nocte And they are more "LINUX IS SO AWESUMMM... YOUR SHITTY OS BLAH BLAH BLAH."
10:28 reactor There are lot more people who defend Windows, having not tried anything else.
10:28 Nocte reactor, because they don't need to mess with stuff?
10:29 Nocte Or are not programmers?
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10:29 reactor That's another problem, man.
10:29 reactor Non-programmers shouldn't be using computers in the first place.
10:29 Nocte fsf ?
10:29 Nocte Non-programmers use the computers for gaming.
10:29 Nocte True fact.
10:29 Peacock the fundamental problem with linux is the attempt to convert mainstream desktop users, and then expect them to become expects to fix their setups, that's when people quit in frustration :P
10:29 reactor Let them. But stop shoving bydlodevices up programmers' asses.
10:29 Peacock *experts
10:30 reactor Because programmers and "non-programmers" need different machines.
10:30 Peacock average desktop user just wants something that works, and in most cases, they're willing to shell out a few hundred
10:30 VanessaE bydlo?
10:31 Nocte Peacock, yeah.
10:31 reactor VanessaE: Polish/Russian for "rednecks"
10:31 Peacock they can't give a shit about the four freedoms if they don't have flash or can't watch BR/DVD stuff
10:31 Nocte I guess I would be tooo lazy to even bother installing Linux.
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10:31 reactor Peacock: and programmers need something that not only works, but works well, and works 24/7.
10:32 Peacock well professional programmers have work and home setups which tend to be completely different
10:32 reactor And does not have to be rebooted just because of a power outage taking down a disk plugged over USB.
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10:33 reactor I haven't seen any personal computers specially made for programmers.
10:33 reactor There are either minicomputers, which are unaffordable, and hence are only bought by organisations.
10:33 Peacock doesn't take a gaming rig to load a text editor or an IDE :P
10:34 reactor Or... I don't know.
10:34 Peacock people fork out alot of $$ for gaming rigs
10:34 reactor Peacock: most machines I've encountered would still randonly crash or hang just because.
10:34 Peacock reactor oh i know lol, many of my keyboards have met a violent end that way lol
10:34 reactor Whatever OS I ran them on. Today I brought my system down just by plugging a USB mouse.
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10:35 Peacock well i fixed my audio by removing pulseaudio, right now my only remaining problem is getting flash to not freeze
10:35 reactor What audio system do you use now?
10:35 Peacock and for some fucked up reason everytime i load a new page it plays the last cached video
10:35 Peacock just alsa
10:36 reactor ALSA used to work well for me.
10:36 reactor I wonder who would ever need pulse.
10:36 Peacock alsa was always fine, dont know what problem pulseaudio was meant to solve
10:36 reactor Sound over network?
10:36 Peacock yeah tried that, sucks too lol
10:36 reactor But that's what JACK is for, no?
10:36 Peacock you got JACK, alsa, OSS, OSS4
10:36 chlue Hm does anyone know why shadowninja removed the item drop mod from technic?
10:37 reactor And why should I care about it if I only use it once a day, locally?!
10:37 Peacock and yet not one fully featured audio player (with streaming, equalizer, etc. all in one)
10:37 reactor Peacock: hmm.
10:37 Peacock all the audio players have one feature i want lol but not one that has them all
10:38 Peacock same with mplayer
10:38 reactor I use OSS or whatever is shipped with BSD by default. No problems so far.
10:38 reactor Haven't messed with equaliser and such, though.
10:38 Peacock mplayer makes my blurays look like youtube videos on low quality lol
10:38 reactor But meh. I'm not an audiophile.
10:38 VanessaE bsd still uses oss??
10:38 reactor VanessaE: I don't know what it uses. It works.
10:38 reactor And it works out of the box.
10:38 VanessaE alsa I assumed.
10:38 reactor No.
10:39 reactor Or... I'm not sure.
10:39 VanessaE huh.
10:39 reactor Doesn't look like ALSA.
10:39 reactor It uses device files for I/o.
10:39 VanessaE I figured they'd ported that to other OS's
10:39 VanessaE (I know the L is for Linux)
10:39 reactor ALSA had OSS compatibility interfaces, though.
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10:40 Peacock something called pcm for freebsd i think
10:40 reactor VanessaE: sound, pcm, snd — FreeBSD PCM audio device infrastructure
10:40 Peacock (https://wiki.freebsd.org/Sound)
10:40 reactor VanessaE: from "man sound"
10:40 Peacock thats discriminatory, what do women do for sound?
10:40 VanessaE huh.
10:40 VanessaE well it's been years since I last used fbsd
10:41 reactor Peacock: manual pages eh.
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10:41 reactor Peacock: mplayer is actually very good.
10:41 reactor Check if you have hardware accel.
10:41 Peacock apparently pulseaudio has a bug/blames intel integrated audio, which last time i checked, is what ships with over half of OEM towers on store shelves lol
10:42 reactor VanessaE: oh. Maybe you know. Is there a way to force lighting recalculation from ingame?
10:42 Peacock mplayer sucks for me, in quality and in the options of the various frontends
10:42 VanessaE reactor: nodeupdate()
10:42 Peacock no audio equalizer, not enough graphic settings (like cropping/autozoom to fit)
10:43 reactor VanessaE: is there a command for that, or should I necessarily dig the code?
10:43 VanessaE reactor: minetest.nodeupdate({pos}) to be exact
10:43 reactor Peacock: eh.
10:43 reactor I mean, meh.
10:43 VanessaE well there's the //fixlight command in worldedit
10:43 reactor Woah.
10:43 reactor I shoulda read the commands reference.
10:43 Peacock vlc 2.x series might be shittier than 1.x, but still better for me than mplayer so far
10:44 VanessaE use //pos1 //pos2 to select a rectangular area above the shadow (doesn't have to be thick), then //fixlight
10:44 Peacock i wonder if fixlight uses vman's calc lighting now
10:44 VanessaE if it doesn't work, try doing //pos1 //pos2 at a higher altitude
10:44 reactor VanessaE: above?
10:44 Peacock if that dont work try p1 p2 remove air
10:44 VanessaE Peacock: idk, I assumed it still used nodeupdate9)
10:44 VanessaE ()
10:45 reactor Or the shadow itself?
10:45 VanessaE reactor: yes
10:45 reactor hmm
10:45 reactor btw
10:45 reactor how long should it take for an area of 1x1 km?
10:45 Peacock a while
10:46 VanessaE reactor: pay attention to the shadowing on your wielded tool - ascend until the shadow on it goes away, and do //pos1 //pos2 at just above that altitude
10:46 VanessaE a few seconds
10:46 VanessaE it's VERY fast now
10:46 Peacock must use vman then
10:46 VanessaE maybe several seconds at most
10:47 reactor By the way.
10:47 Peacock ive pretty much given up on ever seeing decent lighting lol
10:47 Nocte Coding = Lots of pain.
10:47 Nocte :|
10:47 reactor Why not use the game console for chat and commands?
10:47 reactor The chat/command window is not very functional.
10:48 Peacock well, it could be more... aesthetic?
10:48 reactor I would say, prosthetic.
10:48 reactor VanessaE: the shadow never goes away.
10:48 reactor Hmm.
10:48 Peacock though if i had to redo the hud, id put the 8 items on the side, have the scroll wheel go through all the items in the inv by moving the items, not the selection, and place the chat at the bottom with a perm. entry field
10:49 VanessaE reactor: there was a pull request for that, not sure whatever became of it
10:49 reactor Peacock: nice idea
10:49 VanessaE reactor: go higher, keep ascending until you find the top
10:49 VanessaE Peacock: +1
10:50 reactor won't let me go higher, VanessaE
10:50 VanessaE reactor: you're at +31k?
10:50 VanessaE ok, go down then :P
10:50 VanessaE maybe you're too high up
10:50 Peacock too radical i think to get done lol but if the chat were part of the hud, i'd be easy as a mod to do
10:50 reactor VanessaE: I can't descend now.
10:51 reactor It feels like I'm standing on something.
10:51 VanessaE noclip?
10:51 Peacock got noclip?
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10:51 reactor mk
10:51 VanessaE it's all sapier's fault anyway
10:51 VanessaE hi hi sapier  ;)
10:51 Peacock http://2.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/29/​93/1639e33b79ecde263b84e8129a066c8a​-clippy-recreated-in-minecraft.jpg
10:51 reactor By the way. I don't know if it's important, but when I turn off free_move, the sky becomes night.
10:51 sapier Yes me culpa ;-)
10:52 Peacock reactor i got that bugs too
10:52 VanessaE reactor: you're inside land somewhere.
10:52 VanessaE or in a tree
10:52 reactor Well.
10:52 VanessaE or the map didn't load
10:52 reactor I pasted the scheme on 0,0,0
10:52 VanessaE s.didn't/won't/
10:52 reactor it couldn't be underground
10:52 sapier Btw what have I done this time? ;-)
10:52 reactor and the worlds was generated by singlenode at the time
10:52 VanessaE sapier: just kidding :)
10:53 reactor VanessaE: I loaded a big scheme in WE. I used to load smaller ones, and it was fine.
10:53 Peacock oh look at that, the sun's up :/ time to regenerate
10:53 sapier :-) thought so as I haven't done much last weeks ... But who knows ;-)
10:53 VanessaE weird.
10:54 reactor How am I supposed to port my Minecraft map now?
10:54 reactor -_-
10:54 VanessaE reactor: do it by writing to the map file directly with sqlite commands
10:54 VanessaE WE isn't suitable for importing big maps
10:54 reactor VanessaE: but minecraft map is different format
10:54 VanessaE also, try signing off and back on
10:54 reactor and I don't know if WE schemes are directly supported
10:54 VanessaE sometimes the map just doesn't update on the client
10:55 reactor I tried that.
10:55 reactor I have.
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10:55 VanessaE hm.
10:55 reactor And I'm pasting in singleplayer at the mo, because I noticed it's very slow done by server.
10:55 reactor And in MP, it won't load the whole scheme.
10:56 reactor Just the nearest chunks to where I was, and I had to repaste many times till it got it right.
10:56 sapier Seems to be a very big scheme?
10:56 reactor Yes, about 3x2 km
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10:56 reactor It's not mine, though. I only did some corrections.
10:56 VanessaE 6 square km is a fuckload
10:56 reactor It is.
10:56 sapier Did anyone ever try things that big?
10:57 reactor I'm pasting it by piece.
10:57 reactor This one is 1x1 km.
10:57 reactor It loaded in a minute.
10:57 reactor But it's dark.
10:57 sapier i suggest breaking down by another factor 10
10:57 reactor That would be tedious.
10:58 reactor I already cut it up in small pieces, and it bothers me to have to remember coordinates to fuse them.
10:59 sapier 100x100 is still quite big. Breaking down shouldn't be that difficult if done by script. And it's not meant as final solution just to find out if size really is relevant
10:59 reactor If there's no fix for light, I will have to.
10:59 reactor There was no problem with smaller schemes, sapier.
10:59 reactor I remember pasting them all right.
11:01 Hunterz anyone use this modpack on multiplayer? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4654
11:02 Hunterz I see some delay, id player change item in hand
11:02 Hunterz if player change item in hand
11:03 sapier I suggest creating an issue for this reactor. If you know about what size it's starting to become slow add this information too
11:03 chlue hunter some delays as in 1s?
11:03 Hunterz like second I think
11:04 chlue Think thats normal. If I remember correctly the mod updates once per second
11:05 reactor Woah.
11:05 Hunterz ok
11:05 reactor I've reached the lighted level.
11:05 reactor Pretty high.
11:05 reactor And I had to go around to reach through something solid.
11:06 Hunterz is possible change on which height will be clouds?
11:06 reactor Yes.
11:07 reactor Rather, where the clouds in Minecraft would be.
11:07 reactor in mcedit, I didn't encounter anything like clouds when converting
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11:07 reactor And I didn't select that high anyway.
11:09 reactor Hell!
11:09 reactor I got it!
11:09 reactor I mixed up the coordinates.
11:10 chlue I tried to add some profiling for ABM execution times. Something is definite wrong with the autocrafters: http://pastebin.com/54f7uqWn
11:10 reactor And pasted it as deep below as -400m.
11:10 reactor Could be that.
11:10 reactor Why is the basis so strange?
11:11 reactor In all areas I've encountered so far, they used Z for height.
11:11 reactor s/ed/e/
11:16 reactor I forget, is junglewood stairs block in standard game now?
11:18 VanessaE not sure
11:18 VanessaE moretrees and moreblocks both have a variant of it
11:18 reactor I remember fiddling with stairs mod to get it working
11:18 reactor but I don'te remember copying it into the new installation.
11:18 reactor s/te/t/
11:18 reactor And it's there.
11:18 reactor Hmm.
11:19 reactor How about obsidian?
11:19 reactor There's some obsidian in MT, but Nether won't load without the external Obsidian mod.
11:19 reactor And by the way, the lighting is ok now.
11:20 reactor It was wrong paste coordinates that caused the problem.
11:22 reactor Is it me, or the player is smaller relative to blocks in Minetest?
11:22 reactor I mean, than in Minecraft.
11:23 VanessaE not sure
11:23 VanessaE the player is supposed to be 1.6m tall
11:23 VanessaE not sure what MC's standar dis
11:23 VanessaE s/ d/d /
11:25 chlue VanessaE the autocrafter is written by you, right? Just realized 14 of them are enough to break 'realtime' on my system (maxlag > 1)
11:26 VanessaE novatux wrote it
11:26 chlue they take crazy amounts of processing time once a recipe is active
11:27 VanessaE wow
11:27 VanessaE better yell at nore (novatux) them
11:27 VanessaE then*
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11:33 chlue hm I fear minetest.get_craft_result is a very costly function call
11:33 VanessaE yes
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11:39 reactor ftp://188.16.203.221/pub/screenshot_2201635969.png ftp://188.16.203.221/pub/screenshot_2201877606.png
11:39 reactor WE works flawlessly.
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11:41 VanessaE um
11:41 VanessaE ftp?
11:41 reactor I can't be bothered setting up httpd for sharing two-three files from time to time.
11:42 reactor :)
11:42 VanessaE why not use flickr or s?
11:42 VanessaE so*
11:42 reactor Would need to remember yet another password.
11:42 VanessaE nice image though
11:42 reactor Thank you.
11:43 reactor Note the place is not entirely my work. I only did these white buildings and the two flat blocks on the back.
11:43 reactor And the square.
11:44 reactor Where can one publish maps?
11:44 VanessaE on the foruk
11:44 VanessaE forum*
11:44 VanessaE though I don't see a section for it
11:44 VanessaE put it in general discussion I guess
11:45 VanessaE o hwait
11:45 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?id=12
11:45 VanessaE there IS a sectionl
11:45 VanessaE damn my typing..
11:45 reactor Are there mailing lists?
11:45 VanessaE (new set of nails, can't type for shit)
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11:45 VanessaE idk
11:46 reactor I never understood people growing long nails. They break.
11:46 chlue 'new set' does not sound like grown
11:47 VanessaE these are acrylics, my natural nails don't grow well
11:48 reactor What's the point of having long nails?
11:48 VanessaE they look pretty.
11:49 reactor I don't know, I never found them attractive.
11:50 reactor Natural, transparent nails do look healthier.
11:51 reactor Uh. What's the matter with the red "unknown node" ones showing up in the distance?
11:51 reactor They become normal blocks when I stand near them for some time.
11:52 VanessaE no idea unless they're old moreblocks nodes or something
11:52 reactor 3
11:52 reactor oops
11:53 reactor I haven't got moreblocks... hmm.
11:56 chlue For example old style stairs are replaced by the one from the circular saw, but you need to be close to them. The exchange is permanent trough.
11:57 VanessaE no, that's not right
11:57 VanessaE moreblocks has a conversion routine for its old pre-6d-facedir versions but those don't affect default stairs
11:58 chlue maybee not all, but that could be what reactor is currently seeing
11:59 reactor stairs and slabs appear as these
11:59 reactor And should I worry about the map's integrity?
12:00 VanessaE only if they keep doing that every time you load the map
12:00 reactor What are general advice on releasing maps?
12:01 VanessaE chances are it's an abm somewhere that's converting some old, outdated block to a new one.
12:01 VanessaE just zip or tar.bz2 your map file, upload it somewhere, and link to it with a description, screenshots, and license.
12:01 VanessaE in a post in the 'maps' section of the forum
12:02 reactor I mean, making them compatible, and maintain-able?
12:03 VanessaE well, map file == world folder.
12:03 VanessaE there's no specific rules about that I guess
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12:04 VanessaE hey hmmmm
12:04 reactor mk
12:04 hmmmm hey
12:04 VanessaE ah, he IS alive. :)
12:04 reactor GLaDOS is.
12:04 hmmmm yep i'm around
12:05 hmmmm i heard someone else is modifying mainmenu.lua quite heavily for something
12:05 VanessaE not that I know of?
12:05 hmmmm really hope it doesn't conflict with the main menu world option selection thingie
12:05 VanessaE gambit made some mock-ups but that's all I know abouti
12:05 VanessaE -i
12:05 hmmmm ahh ok
12:06 hmmmm this weekend i hope to finish that, hopefully
12:06 hmmmm i hope
12:06 VanessaE cool
12:06 reactor What is the logo's typeface?
12:06 hmmmm work really zonked me
12:07 VanessaE RBA's been fiddling with his shader stuff.  Says he found the solution he was looking for, has been working on rebasing, and plans to release "soon".
12:07 VanessaE (this was yesterday)
12:07 VanessaE I'll bet
12:07 hmmmm when i get back, i just have enough time to eat dinner and start getting comfortable before it's already tomorrow
12:07 VanessaE reactor: I think it's hand-drawn
12:08 reactor mk
12:08 reactor Well, it looks... eh. Scary.
12:09 VanessaE well hand-rendered anyway
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12:19 * Jordach grunts at sfan5's uploader service again
12:19 Jordach you can't handle .blend
12:19 sfan5 hm?
12:19 Jordach you suck.
12:19 Jordach Error 1
12:19 sfan5 define "handle"
12:19 Jordach (file extension too long afaik)
12:19 sfan5 ..
12:20 sfan5 Value: 1; The uploaded file exceeds the upload_max_filesize directive in php.ini.
12:20 sfan5 time to search for a php.ini
12:21 Jordach sfan5, the file in question is 2.10mb
12:21 sfan5 umm
12:22 Jordach that file shouldnt have set off that
12:23 sfan5 I don't have a php.ini
12:23 sfan5 well its path it set to a directory
12:23 Jordach uh oh
12:24 * sfan5 is confused
12:24 Jordach wpp
12:24 Jordach qoo
12:24 Jordach woo*
12:24 Jordach lunch
12:24 sfan5 lol
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12:31 sfan5 Jordach: fixed it
12:34 reactor sfan5: how's the patch?
12:35 reactor sfan5: And I've ported 1x1 km map using your script today.
12:35 sfan5 reactor: which direction was inverted again?
12:35 sfan5 nice
12:35 reactor Uh. I don't remember anymore -_-
12:35 reactor Either X or Z.
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12:36 reactor VanessaE: so these red ones appear only once
12:36 reactor old stairs?
12:37 reactor sfan5: your script seems to generate old stair orientation, though
12:37 sfan5 yes
12:37 reactor causes red "unknown node" blocks appear till minetest replaces them
12:39 jojoa1997 Hi
12:40 reactor sfan5: also, ladders
12:40 reactor they're horizontal, somehow
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13:18 TheSprtCz hi
13:23 reactor 3ДРАВCTВYЕТ
13:24 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/iew4EA5.jpg
13:24 TheSprtCz how is path to rollback.txt when i want to use in mod?
13:26 Nocte Lol, beating up Onix with a Pidgey. :D Sand attack is a bitch. ;)
13:27 reactor Unix with Pidgin?
13:27 reactor Oh yeah. Pidgin is so huge it brings down the whole OS.
13:27 reactor Use bitlbee.
13:27 Nocte Lol.
13:28 Nocte This is going to take a while. ;)
13:29 Nocte fuuu----
13:29 Nocte No! NOT NUTHEAD! (The Pidgey, I'm playing Pokémon Red with Nuzlocke. That means he's officially dead.)
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13:30 Nocte Critical hit with ember from Flametail (Charmander) :D
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13:34 Jordach Nocte, ^,^,V,V,<-,->,<-,->,B,A,START
13:34 * Jordach pokes VanessaE
13:37 reactor Oh. These.
13:37 reactor I remember everyone going crazy about Pokemon? back in elementary.
13:37 reactor Are Japanese programming children?
13:38 arsdragonfly yvt is...
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13:38 Nocte Lol reactor.
13:39 Nocte Nuzlocke is basically the Nightmare Mode of Pokémon.
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13:44 reactor Patients' nightmares help psychiatrists.
13:44 babyface1031_ can anyone explain or point me in the right direction on how to set up a wind mill
13:44 reactor They're important information about internal problems.
13:44 Nocte Damn. My Charmander almost died because of Ekans. :(
13:45 Nocte I'm having a bad luck.
13:51 Jordach Nocte, gg
13:52 reactor Nocte: are you telling your dreams?
13:52 reactor I'm not a psychiatrist.
13:53 reactor I can't help you.
13:56 Hunterz is possible change gamemode for player on server? which mod is recommended and does not collide with inventory_plus ?
13:57 Nocte reactor. Haha.
13:57 Nocte Playing Nuzlocke. :|
13:58 Nocte http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden​.net/wiki/Nuzlocke_Challenge <.
13:58 Nocte <-*
13:58 Jordach Hunterz, nope
13:59 TheSprtCz someone know how work rollback_check in bigger range? I don't see any changes
14:00 Nocte Woot Flametail (Charmander) evolved into Charmaleon.. Finally. :D
14:03 reactor Nocte: ?
14:03 Nocte Playing Pokémon Red Nuzlocke... :|
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14:04 reactor Nocte: ...so you're one of them future slaves of the Japanese?
14:06 Nocte Lolwhat?
14:06 Nocte Nope.JPG.
14:10 reactor I'm not really amused by the fact their culture is absorbed here. They say, you have to conquer minds first.
14:11 reactor That's how them Americans won the Cold war.
14:14 reactor Woah.
14:15 reactor I've found a bug.
14:15 * Jordach claps
14:15 reactor WE //p set is conflicting with the destroy-by-single-click feature of Creative.
14:15 Jordach everyone has, go home
14:15 Jordach reactor, don't hold the mouse
14:15 reactor I don't.
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14:16 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
14:16 Jordach hey PilzAdam
14:18 Hunterz yesterday found a bug in craftguide, under some circumstates interacting with craftguide can crash client
14:20 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=113112#p113112 wow, someone in Modding General doing actual useful stuff
14:22 chlue Not sure it that makes sence trough :-)
14:25 Jordach looks like chlue has a chlue on what VanessaE's autocrafters are doing
14:27 chlue Ok I treid to cache the calls to minetest.get_craft_result() and ended with this. Seems to still work and is fast now, but it does not 'clean up' --> will leak memory over time. http://pastebin.com/QkEmThBX
14:28 chlue (only in pipeworks/autocrafter.lua)
14:28 ShadowNinja chlue: Better to fix get_craft_result so it isn't so slow.
14:29 chlue Sure, but I fear thats a bit more complicated :-)
14:29 VanessaE can you prevent said memory leaks?
14:29 chlue btw lua is a very strange language
14:29 ShadowNinja Lua has a GC.
14:29 VanessaE oh ok
14:30 chlue I ment meory leak in the sence that the cache will get bigger and bigger if I move an autocrafter around. So the cache would be needed to cleaned when the autocrafter is digged.
14:31 kahrl there certainly is a lot of room for improvement in get_craft_result
14:32 kahrl it wasn't meant to be called often so it wasn't optimized at all
14:32 VanessaE this file is the whole of autocrafter.lua ?
14:32 reahctor What's the deal with all these h's in your nicks?
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14:33 kahrl H stands for hydrogen
14:33 john_minetest Hello everypony
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14:34 Krock PilzAdam: you're a deveeloper of minetest, right?
14:34 VanessaE chlue: how shall I attribute you in the git log?
14:35 chlue VanessaE Does not really matter. So that means I don't need to post anything in the forum thread for pipeworks now?
14:36 reahctor kahrl: ha-hydrogen-rl?
14:36 reahctor Then I'm thermonuclear now.
14:36 VanessaE nope, I've got it. I hope :)
14:36 VanessaE pushed to git
14:37 chlue VanessaE Guess you know more than enough lua to add that cache invalidation part if a node is digged.
14:37 VanessaE I'll leave that for later
14:39 chlue Ah you have taken this 100%. There is still some debug output included and I messed up the indentation.
14:39 VanessaE I don't obsess over formatting too much, or debug output
14:41 ShadowNinja It needs spaces after commas and around equals signs.
14:42 ShadowNinja And he's using a Peacock-style table to store the recipes.
14:43 VanessaE if it works :P
14:43 * ShadowNinja won't be pulling yet...
14:43 VanessaE I'll see if I can re-format it a bit
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14:51 Jordach OW BITCH
14:51 Jordach my side just went
14:52 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/PiLZnW2.jpg
14:52 Jordach > PiLZ...
14:52 Jordach ^ PilzAdam
14:53 VanessaE um...
14:53 sfan5 john_minetest: the wood blocks are wrong
14:53 sfan5 derp
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14:53 sfan5 ^ Jordach
14:53 Jordach haha
14:53 VanessaE chlue: you broke the formspec..
14:53 Jordach sfan5, not giving a fuck
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14:55 chlue Ok cleaned up the formating a bit http://pastebin.com/xBr2eAZY  - What do you mean which I broke the formspec?
14:55 VanessaE it's just blank when you right click on t.
14:55 VanessaE it*
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14:56 chlue hm they seem to work fine here.
14:56 VanessaE hm
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14:57 VanessaE maybe lag..
14:57 VanessaE nevermind, it was just being stupid.
14:58 VanessaE I've got a reformatted version going up...
14:58 VanessaE now.
14:59 Jordach finally
14:59 VanessaE ?
15:00 VanessaE ShadowNinja: better?
15:01 chlue ShadowNinja: What did you mean with Peacock-style table? Don't really see whats wrong with the approach.
15:05 VanessaE chlue: thanks again for the improved code :)
15:06 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Yes, but debug statements still have to be removed, and the table should be indexed by minetest.hash_node_position or pos_to_string. chlue: He used three levels of tables too, tables are computationally expensive and you need the hacky getCacheEntry function.
15:07 ShadowNinja Having hundreds of tables for autocrafters is unacceptable, having one for each is fine.
15:07 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Also add cach clearing in after_dig_node.
15:07 ShadowNinja cache*
15:09 VanessaE someone else can add it, I'm not in a coding frame of mind right now
15:09 chlue ShadowNinja: A understood. But I guess it does not really makes a difference given that normally a maximum of about 20 or so is accessed each second.
15:10 TheSprtCz What is path to rollblock.txt when i'm want to use it in mod?
15:11 chlue VanessaE: I will try it
15:12 VanessaE chlue: be sure you grab the latest from git
15:12 reactor Is there a mod that ads metal grids?
15:13 reactor s/ads/adds/
15:14 chlue ShadowNinja: I suppose to clear an entry I have just to assign nil to it, right?
15:15 VanessaE grids?
15:16 VanessaE um...  closest I know of is steel mod
15:16 VanessaE and it uses fenceposts to make the effect
15:16 VanessaE homedecor has wooden window shutters that could be mistaken for metal gratings.
15:16 VanessaE but they're not grids
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15:17 VanessaE streets mod I think has something
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15:24 jojoa1997 Hi
15:24 reactor gratings yes
15:24 reactor like in MC
15:26 jojoa1997 For you windows haters out there
15:26 VanessaE hi
15:27 jojoa1997 Linux can be nice but I hate how I can't set my user to have all permissions. So ha windows is better there
15:27 VanessaE security.
15:27 Ritchie lol
15:27 Ritchie btw hello
15:28 jojoa1997 Well it is a flash drive and I don't mind reformatting
15:28 VanessaE give your user root privs and you may as well be running everything as root == highly insecure.
15:28 jojoa1997 Though that command line stuff was really simple
15:28 VanessaE I told you linux is not meant to be run continuously from a USB drive
15:28 reactor Linux command line is simple.
15:28 VanessaE it's meant to be run on the bare hardware
15:28 reactor s/Linux //
15:29 reactor "on the bare hardware"?
15:29 Ritchie jojoa1997: why do you need all permissions? you can use some programs with superuser permissions for some activities (for example formatting a flash drive) but you dont need to have all permissions
15:29 jojoa1997 Explain to me how letting me move a file that I made on my desktop is insecure.
15:29 sfan5 well... who needs a video card?
15:29 VanessaE reactor: live, not via a virtual machine or however he's doing it
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15:30 jojoa1997 I am doing it live
15:30 VanessaE jojoa1997: because if you can move files, so can a program
15:30 jojoa1997 A live USB
15:30 iqualfragile jojoa1997: you can
15:30 VanessaE and if a program can move files as root, it can pwn your machine too
15:30 jojoa1997 My hardware is the usb
15:30 iqualfragile just enter "passwd root" into your command line
15:30 jojoa1997 But why can't I move my files
15:30 jojoa1997 Wait
15:30 iqualfragile then you can just login as root
15:30 VanessaE jojoa1997: no, "live" means "installed onto your hard disk"
15:30 iqualfragile and do all the shit you cant
15:30 sfan5 you mean you run linux ON the usb drive?
15:31 iqualfragile but it is a reeealy bad idea
15:31 jojoa1997 USB is a harddisk
15:31 reactor Come on. He will never learn to use it.
15:31 sfan5 iqualfragile: passwd changes the passwords of users
15:31 iqualfragile so you installed it from lets say a cd onto the usb?
15:31 reactor Stop trying to pull those who forever belong to Windows.
15:31 jojoa1997 Nope
15:31 iqualfragile sfan5: yes, but you can also use it to change the root password
15:31 VanessaE jojoa1997: no, it is not.
15:31 iqualfragile so you used something like lilo or unetbootin and created a livestick?
15:32 VanessaE a thumbdrive running FAT32 is not the same as a linux-formatted HD running ext4
15:32 VanessaE iqualfragile: he's running a regular live cd/dvd but written to USB
15:32 iqualfragile ah, k
15:33 jojoa1997 My mistake I thought you said harddrive
15:33 VanessaE ok the USB drive probably has ISO9660 fs on it, but still
15:33 iqualfragile jojoa1997: just install whatever you were running on your stick onto your hdd into a seperate partition, that way you can test it better
15:34 VanessaE iqualfragile: he can't.  parental restrictions.
15:34 jojoa1997 Mom's computer-mom's rules
15:34 iqualfragile then use 2 usbsticks or one stick and one cd/dvd
15:34 jojoa1997 But I don't mind using a usb
15:34 iqualfragile use the one (smaller) to install your distro onto the other one
15:34 jojoa1997 Because I can bring it to school
15:34 jojoa1997 It is installed on my usb
15:35 iqualfragile is it installed or a livestick?
15:35 jojoa1997 Installed I'm sure
15:35 VanessaE livestick.
15:35 jojoa1997 I boot from the usb
15:35 jojoa1997 What is the diff
15:35 iqualfragile difference is:
15:36 TheLastProject jojoa1997: Don't say "Windows gives you all the permissions", that's a lie. Windows will block you from deleting certain files, even as the admin users
15:36 VanessaE if it were installed, it wouldn't be booting from USB, and you'd see the real reason for the separation of privs
15:36 iqualfragile livestick takes a file which is on the usbstick and uses that as a read-only filesystem
15:36 TheLastProject Whereas Linux is like "Well, if that's what you want..."
15:36 jojoa1997 Sec
15:36 iqualfragile and propably overlays it with a ram filesystem so you can chane some files
15:36 sfan5 TheLastProject just spoke some true words
15:37 iqualfragile installed means that your usbstick actually contains a full installation
15:37 iqualfragile which usualy means that it is a ext4 formated partition
15:37 jojoa1997 TheLastProject I have set my computer to let me do what I want in windows no restrictions
15:37 iqualfragile i would recommend actually installing it onto the usb stick and not just using it as a live stick
15:38 jojoa1997 How
15:38 iqualfragile do you have 2 sticks or a cd?
15:38 TheLastProject jojoa1997: That's possible? Last time I tried to delete every "secured file" in Windows (directories like C:\System32\, among others) it wouldn't let me remove all of those files
15:38 jojoa1997 2 sticks ATM but not with me
15:38 sfan5 TheLastProject: that is possible, but will allow your user to do the "rm -rf /" windows equivalent
15:38 iqualfragile when you posses both take the smaller/slower one and convert it to a livestick
15:38 jojoa1997 TheLastProject there are ways
15:39 iqualfragile (just the way you used to do with your current stick)
15:39 jojoa1997 Both are lies
15:39 jojoa1997 Lives
15:39 iqualfragile then boot from that stick
15:39 iqualfragile (smaller one)
15:39 iqualfragile then plug in the bigger/better one
15:39 iqualfragile and launch the installer
15:39 TheLastProject jojoa1997: Well, good to know, I guess. I wasn't aware of such a possibility, I just know that Windows blocked me from deleting some stuff even as "Administrator" but I guess there is still a level higher than
15:39 TheLastProject *then
15:39 iqualfragile choose the other stick as destination
15:39 iqualfragile and you are done
15:40 jojoa1997 Iqua nice
15:40 iqualfragile which distribution are you using?
15:40 jojoa1997 TLP there are ways around it with editing some files and using cmd
15:41 TheLastProject Hmm
15:41 TheLastProject Well, fair enough
15:41 jojoa1997 iqua(sorry bout your nick but android has no tab) and I am using Ubuntu LTS 12.04.something
15:41 TheLastProject Guess we can still say that Windows doesn't WANT to give you full permissions, although any system is hackable :P
15:42 iqualfragile http://www.smartfurniture.com/s​hop/images/misc/like_a_boss.jpg tfw i am sitting infront of my pc in a suit telling people how to install linux
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15:42 iqualfragile in that case it should work
15:42 sfan5 TheLastProject: There is "NT Authority" which is like "root" on linux, admin on windows is like "owner of /home /usr /var /run and /etc but not /bin /boot /sys /lib"
15:43 TheLastProject sfan5: Pff, so complicated. But thanks for explaining that to me, it's good to know
15:43 sfan5 yes that is indeed complicated
15:43 jojoa1997 When freenode/irc allows something like [IMG]hfjf.PNG[\img] we will be on trouble
15:43 iqualfragile but i would think about using some kind of mint instead because unity is not the fastest destktop environment out there
15:43 iqualfragile it won't
15:43 iqualfragile ever
15:43 iqualfragile because it is not up to irc or freenode
15:44 iqualfragile it is up to the clients
15:44 jojoa1997 I know
15:44 sfan5 jojoa1997: neither freenode nor the irc protocol can do such things
15:44 jojoa1997 I know
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15:44 jojoa1997 Also iqua I don't feel like convincing my mother to let me use ubuntu
15:45 jojoa1997 On the bright side someone say something nice
15:45 Ritchie iqualfragile: i used unity a few years ago, but it broke itself, so i moved to kubuntu
15:46 VanessaE something nice.
15:46 VanessaE :P
15:46 iqualfragile i am on debian right now
15:46 iqualfragile using gnome 3
15:46 jojoa1997 Glad someone caught on before I had to say it
15:46 iqualfragile but i am not happy with it
15:46 jojoa1997 Why
15:46 Ritchie iqualfragile: now, kde4 on my pc brokes too, so i want to switch to debian with trinity
15:46 iqualfragile used archlinux with kde before that
15:46 chlue VanessaE: Ok http://pastebin.com/gHMiqhAm maybee let ShadowNunja take a look first, but that should be better now.
15:46 iqualfragile that was cool
15:47 VanessaE chlue: can you make a pull request please?
15:47 chlue give me some minutes
15:47 jojoa1997 Chlue make a pull request?
15:47 VanessaE take your time
15:47 iqualfragile jojoa1997: why what?
15:47 jojoa1997 .
15:47 jojoa1997 .?
15:47 iqualfragile [17:46:35] <jojoa1997> Why
15:48 jojoa1997 Why are you not happy
15:48 iqualfragile allso: shouldnt you be learning right now? you are at school!
15:48 chlue hm I don't even have a github account :-(
15:48 iqualfragile ah, yes: because i have a hard time getting it to behave like i want it to
15:48 jojoa1997 Iqua my school has homecoming week and ATM we have 30 minute periods
15:48 jojoa1997 1 more period then carnival
15:49 iqualfragile what is homecoming week?
15:49 jojoa1997 And my Spanish class is doing hw
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15:49 markveidemanis Hi!
15:49 Calinou hi :)
15:49 iqualfragile hello there
15:49 jojoa1997 Hc week is pretty much a special thing my school does
15:49 jojoa1997 Hi!
15:50 jojoa1997 So mint is faster than Ubuntu?
15:50 VanessaE chlue: it's free
15:50 markveidemanis May I have permission to make a reference to my site for the purpose of the evaluation of a relevant article?
15:50 markveidemanis Mint is definitely faster
15:50 jojoa1997 Chlue I don't think most people using minetest would use it if you had to pay. They have some disease about using only free stuff.
15:50 Calinou not at all
15:51 VanessaE chlue: make an account, fork my repository, make your changes, then go back to my repo and hit "pull request -> new pull request" or however it's written
15:51 Calinou it's even slower
15:51 markveidemanis ^^
15:51 jojoa1997 Calinou auto correct on android is annoying
15:51 jojoa1997 Gtg bbs
15:51 VanessaE turn that fucker off
15:52 VanessaE auto-correct is evil
15:52 markveidemanis Autostrada is defiantly even
15:53 markveidemanis http://marktest.co.uk/2013/10/minetest-game/ Do you approve of this article?
15:54 iqualfragile markveidemanis: ook so evaluation is what you want
15:54 VanessaE some of your screenshots are old but otherwise it's okay
15:54 markveidemanis I was very OCD about the screenshots
15:54 iqualfragile first of all: that litle box up there telling me to turn on javascript is annoying, i (and like 90% of the people without javascript) have turned it off on purpose
15:54 markveidemanis They had to have no "Minetest 0.5.x" at the top
15:55 markveidemanis Thats out of my control
15:55 markveidemanis I cant make a gallery without it
15:55 iqualfragile MarkTest in the tile picture is barely readable
15:55 markveidemanis It says it more than clearly above it
15:55 markveidemanis Its supposed to be like that
15:55 iqualfragile why?
15:56 iqualfragile aren't those things for faster recognition of your page?
15:56 markveidemanis What do you suggest then?
15:56 iqualfragile some kind of logo you can recognize
15:56 iqualfragile or at least read
15:57 markveidemanis In terms of difference from the original?
15:57 markveidemanis sharpen, ?
15:57 iqualfragile http://marktest.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/201​3/09/copy-Mark-Test-Splash-Screen_NoBlur.png we are talking about this thing here aren't we?
15:57 iqualfragile at least write Mark Test using black ink
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15:58 markveidemanis http://marktest.co.uk/category/graphics/ some logos are there
15:59 markveidemanis http://s2.postimg.org/ty05nj4nd/Ma​rk_Test_Splash_Screen_No_Blur.png
15:59 iqualfragile now it is at least readable
15:59 iqualfragile not pretty but readable
16:00 iqualfragile about the content:
16:00 iqualfragile i would point out thath you can go "about 31000" blocks up and down in the differences list
16:00 chlue VanessaE: Should be there
16:01 VanessaE got it
16:01 iqualfragile afaik minetest does not realy support osx
16:01 iqualfragile there is a version but it is like reeeealy old
16:01 chlue that must have been one google search for every line touched :-)
16:01 markveidemanis Minetest's world is almost infinite (about 31000 blocks in all directions)
16:02 VanessaE lol
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16:03 VanessaE chlue: merged :)
16:03 markveidemanis http://s18.postimg.org/pahr1xd6x/M​ark_Test_Splash_Screen_No_Blur.png
16:03 jojoa1997 Auto capitalize is evil auto correct helps how my spelling is perceived as perfect
16:03 VanessaE markveidemanis: about 62 x 62 x 62 km
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16:03 reactor Pwned.
16:04 markveidemanis http://marktest.co.uk/wp-content​/uploads/2013/09/Small-Logo.png
16:05 iqualfragile markveidemanis: yes, i read that, i just said that it would belong into the differences section in my oppinion
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16:22 markveidemanis Would this be a good idea:
16:22 markveidemanis changing the head image to bronze, silver and gold respectively when the user list matches a certain number
16:23 markveidemanis and what would be the end, permanent image?
16:23 markveidemanis Should i have different images on every page?
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16:40 Nocte Jordach, you there? :p
16:40 reactor markveidemanis: o/
16:40 reactor How's your server?
16:40 * us|0gb puts on his Jordach mask
16:40 reactor us|0gb: Fawkes mask?
16:41 * Nocte trolls us|0gb with poking his eyes with a knife.
16:41 us|0gb I don't know Fawkes, so I haven't made a mask of him/her yet.
16:41 * us|0gb screams in pain
16:41 reactor Nocte: s/with/by/
16:42 * Nocte can't/read/this/type/of/text.
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16:56 * Nocte wants to play multi. Hehe.
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17:06 Jordach Nocte, 1) I'm installing Windows 95 on VirtualBox 2) I want to see how fast I can break said Windows
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17:09 * us|0gb starts taking bets
17:10 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykACzjtR6rc
17:10 harrison "Recursive Wang Tiles for Real-Time Blue Noise"
17:11 harrison please: no inappropriate remarks
17:11 * us|0gb figures Windows must have an equivalent to "rm -r /", but lacks the permission system to block it
17:12 Calinou -r isn't that harmful
17:12 Calinou -rf is
17:12 Calinou f forces
17:13 VanessaE bbl
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17:16 jojoa1997-Ubuntu hi
17:17 us|0gb Hello!
17:17 jojoa1997 us|0gb: how big is the game on your server cause it is still super slow
17:18 us|0gb Hmm. It's not slow on my end. I don't know the size right now though.
17:19 us|0gb OH! For some reason, I thought you meant the map.
17:19 us|0gb THe game is just slightly larger than minetest_game.
17:19 us|0gb Actually, minetest_game has grown. Ours is now smaller.
17:20 jojoa1997 what version is your game
17:20 us|0gb My game doesn't have version numbers.
17:20 us|0gb It should, but doesn't.
17:22 jojoa1997 if i was to run
17:22 jojoa1997 file:///files/minetest-master​/util/buildbot/buildwin32.sh
17:22 jojoa1997 where would the finished project be?
17:23 us|0gb THat's a good question. I'll look over the file.
17:24 jojoa1997 ohh
17:24 jojoa1997 oooh
17:24 jojoa1997 i like the workspace switcher in ubuntu
17:25 us|0gb No clue. I don't know what ${BASH_SOURCE[0]} is.
17:25 us|0gb What path that is, I mean.
17:25 jojoa1997 k
17:26 us|0gb Speaking of the workspace switcher, I need to get that installed. I miss it.
17:26 jojoa1997 us|0gb: how come the port was changed
17:26 jojoa1997 for your server
17:27 us|0gb I can't say I really have a good reason for that. I didn't think people would notice though with the server list handling connections.
17:27 us|0gb Well, I could say it, but it wouldn't be true.
17:28 jojoa1997 well that ias just me but then your was the only server i played till it got too slow
17:28 jojoa1997 also is there a keyboard shortcut to change the workeing station
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17:29 us|0gb It depends on your desktop. You are probably working in Unity if you are on Ubuntu. I don't know the Unity shortcuts.
17:29 Hunterz is thera any mod which disable fire spreading on the server?
17:29 us|0gb Hunterz, I tried to build one, but an engine bug makes it impossible.
17:29 Nocte Jordach breaking windows?
17:29 Nocte Lol.
17:30 Nocte Nice try.
17:30 us|0gb Are you okay with editing the fire plugin directly? I can stop it from spreading by editing that file.
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17:33 sfan5 jojoa1997: can't you use my buildbot?
17:34 jojoa1997 file:///files/minetest-master​/util/buildbot/buildwin32.sh
17:34 jojoa1997 i can run it but idk where the output is
17:34 sfan5 >my buildbot
17:34 sfan5 >my
17:34 jojoa1997 yeah
17:34 sfan5 you are referencing the official one
17:35 sfan5 that one is not 100% complete and does not work out of the box
17:35 jojoa1997 what do you mean outof the box
17:35 us|0gb Without changes.
17:35 jojoa1997 ok
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17:36 jojoa1997 i like the look of ubuntu
17:36 jojoa1997 very visually pleaseing but the setup of how it works can be confusiing
17:37 us|0gb THere are other interfaces if you prefer. Xfce and GNOME2 are easier to use.
17:38 STHGOM Is there some way to find a list of minetest servers that you can join with irc?
17:38 jojoa1997 sure the servers tab
17:39 STHGOM umm... i am not familiar with that.
17:39 STHGOM you were talking to me right?
17:40 Calinou gnome 2 is dead
17:42 jojoa1997 for clarification https://forum.minetest.net/se​arch.php?search_id=1284428376
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17:43 jojoa1997 HI! :)
17:43 PilzAdam Krock, yes
17:43 Krock omg not gone about 4 hours since i asked
17:43 Krock http://i.imgur.com/xvqVUgj.png
17:43 PilzAdam 3
17:43 Krock http://pastebin.com/r1Tkmt72
17:44 * jojoa1997 runs and hides
17:44 jojoa1997 FOREIGN LANGUAGE!
17:44 PilzAdam Krock, does that happen reproduceable?
17:45 Krock yes
17:45 Krock but only at one position on the map
17:45 PilzAdam what do you have to do to make it crash?
17:45 Krock nothing, i walked into a new area and ther it crashed
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17:45 Krock i needed to run out of it, when message already showed up
17:45 Krock that was possible
17:45 us|0gb Calinou, true enough, but it's easier to use than GNOME3.
17:46 Krock but new blocks didnt load
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17:47 PilzAdam what Minetest version do you and the server have?
17:47 Krock 0.4.7 both
17:48 PilzAdam whats the output in the console?
17:48 Krock hmm
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17:48 Krock didnt notivce..lemme get error again
17:49 Krock just noticed, server's version is 0.4.7-dev
17:49 PilzAdam its the LandRush server, right?
17:50 * Jordach_ pokes IceCraft repeadably
17:50 Krock yes
17:52 Krock http://pastebin.com/5uDMr1B8
17:54 PilzAdam thats already fixed in git version: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/56b9377c1c55a08eb5ae09c058f9f1cb8e9e4a73
17:55 PilzAdam anyway, the case that facedir > 23 should not be on the server, you might want to ask someone to fix that with a screwdriver
17:55 Krock okay thanks
17:55 Krock k
17:55 PilzAdam I guess some mods dont work properly with 6d facedir or so
17:56 Krock sorry i have no idea what facedir i used for but where can i get the win32 application?
17:56 us|0gb Vanessa's plantlife used to be that way, but she fixed it. It's not hard to believe there are unfixed ones out there.
17:57 PilzAdam Krock, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6727
17:57 Krock thx
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17:57 PilzAdam note that this is a dev version and may be unstable, not working or set your computer on fire
17:58 Krock hahah okay
17:59 Krock just minetest is making alot of rubbih files in the cache\media folder, is that normal?
17:59 PilzAdam well, its a cache, what do you expect?
18:00 Krock i thought it would clear useless and not needed files
18:00 Krock so are all of them needed
18:00 Krock 3.2k files
18:00 PilzAdam every texture that is download from a server is cached forever, so you dont need to download it again
18:00 PilzAdam if you clear your cache then you have to redownload the textures
18:00 Krock oh
18:01 Krock thx :)
18:01 PilzAdam which takes quite a lot of time with Minetests shitty media download
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18:09 harrison cache-as-cache-can
18:10 john_minetest cache is strange
18:11 john_minetest I never understood why to cache
18:11 john_minetest At least in browser
18:11 john_minetest I disabled html caching
18:12 PilzAdam john_minetest, you will learn to love it when you have a unstable connection and have to research something in wikipedia
18:12 john_minetest My connection is stable as it has never been before :D
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18:12 john_minetest University towns use to have great internet
18:15 jojoa1997 us|0gb: have i joined your server yet?
18:15 us|0gb I don't know. I'll log in and check.
18:16 us|0gb Yes you have.
18:17 jojoa1997 how to i take screenshots i am having a bug
18:17 us|0gb Is it a blue and black line bug?
18:17 jojoa1997 yeah
18:18 us|0gb I thought it was a bug in my system, but I guess it's in Minetest.
18:18 jojoa1997 also i have compild the latest but i think it might be a bug with your server or game
18:18 us|0gb I don't know where Unity's screenshot tool is, but you can try the "print screen" key.
18:18 sfan5[Mac] that works ^
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18:18 us|0gb It's not a bug in the server or game.
18:19 us|0gb Screenshots are client side.
18:19 jojoa1997 um
18:20 jojoa1997 when compiling is it possible to make minetest compile all needed files into a defined folder?
18:21 us|0gb you mean -DRUN_IN_PLACE or something?
18:21 us|0gb That'll output it to the folder you compile from.
18:22 jojoa1997 is it possible to set that to a different folder
18:22 sfan5[Mac] no
18:22 us|0gb You could move the source code to the folder you want it in before compiling.
18:22 PilzAdam you can just write a script the copies the required folders and files
18:22 us|0gb Or after.
18:22 PilzAdam *that
18:22 jojoa1997 that is what i meant
18:23 thexyz http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-l​inux-basemosaic-ubuntu-parity,24519.html
18:23 sfan5[Mac] !title
18:23 jojoa1997 can i ask a question >:O
18:23 MinetestBot sfan5[Mac]: Nvidia Removed Linux Driver Feature Due to Windows
18:23 sfan5[Mac] wat
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18:23 sfan5[Mac] why would nvidia do that?
18:23 ShadowNinja chlue: This will fail, you are setting after_place_node to the value returned by tube_scanforobjects(pos). https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/commi​t/6a9fdae4a17653b0742c0f635de13dfbeafb6c24#​diff-0ce8868e72f438912c0bc6ebdca21afeR113
18:23 thexyz really, why
18:23 thexyz this is a company which truly loves linux after all
18:23 jojoa1997 us|0gb: i solved teh bug
18:24 jojoa1997 the
18:24 us|0gb How?
18:24 thexyz and is loved by linux users, too
18:24 jojoa1997 turn shaders on
18:24 thexyz and developers
18:24 us|0gb I had the shaders on when I took my screenshot and it was still bugged up.
18:24 sfan5 WTF nvidia
18:24 sfan5 us|0gb: you need atleast opengl 2.3
18:25 sfan5 >Nvidia's day isn't complete without shitting on Linux for no apparent reason.
18:25 sfan5 haha
18:26 jojoa1997 us|0gb: can you add my skin to your server
18:27 us|0gb I can't seem to find information on determining OpenGL version. How do I do that?
18:27 us|0gb jojoa1997, send it to 0gb.us@members.fsf.org and I'll upload it.
18:28 sfan5 us|0gb: minetest shows it in the window title
18:28 us|0gb Perfect. Thanks!
18:29 ShadowNinja VanessaE: The pipeworks img/ directory should be removed, it belongs in a documentation branch or such.
18:29 us|0gb I seem to have 2.1. I wonder if that's why Minetest has been slow to render for me lately.
18:30 VanessaE ShadowNinja: that's part of Uberi's crafting guide document, isn't it?
18:31 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Ah, yes, remove Overview.html too and put them somewhere else.
18:31 VanessaE there, fixed the after_place_node issue
18:32 ShadowNinja VanessaE: And remove/change the reference in the README.
18:32 VanessaE let's see what Uberi has to say about it since he maintains that
18:33 VanessaE I guess I could move it to a new repo
18:33 ShadowNinja pipeworks-doc or so. Or just made into a website.
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18:36 VanessaE done.
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18:36 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks-doc
18:40 VanessaE now if I could figure out how to get a browser to display the html "for real".
18:41 thexyz use github sites
18:41 thexyz pages
18:41 thexyz whatever
18:42 VanessaE ok
18:42 ShadowNinja VanessaE/VanessaE.github.io == VanessaE.github.io.
18:42 thexyz https://help.github.com/articles​/creating-project-pages-manually
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18:48 ShadowNinja VanessaE/pipeworks/tree/gh-pages == VanessaE.github.io/pipeworks
18:48 VanessaE mmmh
18:48 Nocte Jordach... You there?
18:49 VanessaE overcomplicated.
18:50 thexyz lol
18:50 thexyz because creating a branch in git is sure the thing you're not supposed to do often
18:51 VanessaE um, there's already a nicely-formatted html file.  Why can't I just flip a switch, so to speak, to allow people to see it as such?
18:51 thexyz see it where? at what page would you like people to see it?
18:51 thexyz s/page/URL/
18:51 VanessaE in it's original location, of course
18:51 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/pipewo​rks-doc/blob/master/Overview.html
18:52 thexyz I see
18:52 Jordach_ Nocte, hm
18:52 thexyz but github cannot do that because this is insecure
18:52 thexyz way too insecure to even consider doing something like that
18:53 VanessaE meh, I'll just display it via my web space then.
18:54 ShadowNinja Using gh-pages is probably the best option. You get a short URL, git tracking, and you only need one repo.
18:55 VanessaE and requires me to jump through hoops that are inadequately explained.
18:55 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/ho​bbies/minetest/pipeworks-doc/Overview.html
18:55 VanessaE there.
18:56 VanessaE except I need to set a background color or something.
18:56 VanessaE (or text color rather, probably css inheritence)
18:56 VanessaE inheritance*
18:56 thexyz github is also faster I think
18:56 ShadowNinja No, it's pretty simple, see xyz's link.
18:57 Nocte Some Multi before sleep?
18:57 thexyz but yeah, at some point of time it becomes harder and harder to learn new things
18:57 Nocte @Jordach_
18:57 ShadowNinja Can I even make pull requests on non-existing branches?
18:57 Jordach_ Nocte, sure
18:57 thexyz VanessaE: btw, you could use markdown and it'll display just how you want it to be
18:58 thexyz as long as you don't need something it doesn't support
18:58 ShadowNinja See, eg, https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat.github.com
18:58 Nocte What was  the address/port? @Jordach_?
18:58 Jordach_ !up 81.153.29.66
18:58 MinetestBot 81.153.29.66:30000 seems to be down
18:59 Jordach_ !up 81.153.29.66
18:59 MinetestBot 81.153.29.66:30000 is up (173ms)
18:59 sapier 172ms? :-) what a gigantic uptime
18:59 ShadowNinja sapier: Ping, not uptime.
19:00 thexyz that's not uptime
19:00 sapier ahhhh  *g* ok ok
19:00 Nocte Should we get other people in the server Jordach?
19:03 VanessaE thexyz: the problem isn't that I can't learn new things.  I just have my preferences in this regard
19:04 VanessaE It's html, ergo a browser should be made to display it with the least possible amount of fuss.
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19:05 thexyz yeah whatever
19:05 thexyz as I said, they aren't doing that because that's insecure and they know that
19:06 thexyz (and it seems you don't :( )
19:06 VanessaE echo "My GitHub Page" > index.html; git add index.html; git commit -a -m "First pages commit" ; git push origin gh-pages
19:07 VanessaE this is more secure than if the filename is Overview.html ?
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19:08 thexyz no, I didn't say this
19:09 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Overview.html just looks like a bunch of oversized images.
19:09 VanessaE those are the last commands given on the help page (which I visited before seeing your link)
19:09 thexyz 22:50   thexyz: see it where? at what page would you like people to see it?
19:09 thexyz 22:50   thexyz: s/page/URL/
19:09 thexyz 22:50  <    VanessaE> | in it's original location, of course
19:09 thexyz 22:50  <    VanessaE> | https://github.com/VanessaE/pipewo​rks-doc/blob/master/Overview.html
19:09 VanessaE ShadowNinja: reload.
19:09 thexyz 22:50   thexyz: but github cannot do that because this is insecure
19:09 thexyz was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
19:09 VanessaE lol
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19:09 thexyz fuggot
19:11 VanessaE right and obviously that is not possible.
19:11 VanessaE but it's still an html file and the browser is still being asked to display it.
19:11 VanessaE where is the added insecurity?
19:11 thexyz I was having an interesting and fun conversation and then this fucking shitbot comes and, well, the fun goes away
19:12 thexyz you mean, why is it insecure to render html page at https://github.com/VanessaE/pipewo​rks-doc/blob/master/Overview.html instead of just text?
19:12 VanessaE thexyz: no
19:12 thexyz then what?
19:12 VanessaE I'm asking why is it somehow more secure to load (and render) it from wherever https://help.github.com/articles​/creating-project-pages-manually  would have it stored, as opposed to https://github.com/VanessaE/pipewo​rks-doc/blob/master/Overview.html ?
19:13 VanessaE either way the browser has to fetch and display the html file - why does it matter what storage medium, site, etc. the file comes from?
19:13 ShadowNinja You don't want the pages to have access to all of your cookies.
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19:14 VanessaE that makes at least some sense, but given that the clone/push address is still github.com (without a subdomain), is that not already the case?
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19:15 thexyz you don't provide enough details, it doesn't matter where is it stored; the only thing that matters is what URL it is accessible by
19:16 ShadowNinja No, the cookies are accessible by *.github.com/*, pages are under github.io.
19:16 thexyz creating another branch for docs may seem inconvenient unless you consider having docs in the same repo as code
19:17 ShadowNinja Seperate branch > seperate repo > same repo & branch.
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19:22 * VanessaE looks at the pages-gh branch that's just been populated and pushed to pipeworks git.
19:22 VanessaE nw what?
19:22 ShadowNinja VanessaE: gh-pages.
19:22 VanessaE er yes
19:23 VanessaE gh-pages I meant.
19:23 VanessaE vanessa@rainbird:~/Minetest-relate​d/mods/my_mods/pipeworks$ git push origin gh-pages
19:23 VanessaE I suppose that 10 minute window is in effect now
19:24 ShadowNinja VanessaE: You should probably rename Overviel.html to index.html.
19:25 VanessaE done and pushed.
19:26 Calinou "rainbird", that's way more original than "calinou-desktop" and "calinou-netbook". :D
19:26 VanessaE actually, it isn't :)
19:27 VanessaE that was the name of some random software company (or maybe it was a division thereof) that I saw on a floppy disk many years ago.
19:27 VanessaE somehow, it stuck.
19:27 PilzAdam Calinou, its easier for bronies, they can just use pony names
19:27 chlue ShadowNinja: Hm so the lua call modifies the parameter?
19:27 Calinou heh
19:28 ShadowNinja chlue: No, Lua sets after_place_node to the value returned by the function call "tube_checkforobjects(pos)" rather than setting it to the function "tube_checkforobjects".
19:29 thexyz why would you call your desktop pony name
19:29 chlue Ah I didn't touch that area. That was old code.
19:32 ShadowNinja chlue: Really? http://git.io/CO0Vgw
19:33 chlue ups
19:33 chlue But then the original 'after_place_node = tube_scanforobjects' was faulty too, right?
19:34 VanessaE ok, the pipeworks documentation is published via github.
19:34 VanessaE http://vanessae.github.io/pipeworks/
19:34 ShadowNinja chlue: No, that was correct.
19:34 chlue ShadowNinja: And how did it get the pos parameter then?
19:35 ShadowNinja chlue: It was passed to it by minetest.item_place_node.
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19:37 VanessaE chlue: I fixed that in git already
19:37 VanessaE (though I did it differently from before, out of habit)
19:38 chlue ShadowNinja Ok thanks. Heavy use of dynamic function pointers makes stuff a bit hard to unterstand initially, but I think now I got it.
19:39 chlue VanessaE ok and now I hopefully understand why it does the same, too :-)
19:40 ShadowNinja No problem, that confused me for a second too.
19:47 Nocte Jordach_!
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19:50 Jordach_ Nocte, i'm talking in #athens
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19:51 Nocte Oh.. :|
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19:59 VanessaE ShadowNinja:  https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=113149#p113149
19:59 VanessaE this sounds very useful.
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20:01 pitriss Hi, please how I can toggle drowning in technic_game ?
20:04 VanessaE wish I knew
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20:07 Nocte Just great.
20:07 Nocte I failed horribly.
20:07 Nocte I trapped myself. :|
20:14 ShadowNinja pitriss: There may be a global enable_drowning variable, but technic_game doesn't touch drowning.
20:14 PilzAdam drowning is defined in nodedef, so technic_game defines it
20:15 john_minetest drowning has some bugs
20:15 pitriss ok, it gets disabled somehow, so how i can enable it?
20:15 john_minetest Swim up against a solid block: you can breathe
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20:23 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Other than copying default. (I still don't understand what the replacement for common mods is)
20:28 jsnmtth Suppose I wanted to use the minetest engine to make a "planet" of blocks, all the way to the core. Do you think it could be adopted where one can approach it in a similar was as happens on http://pioneerspacesim.net game?
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20:32 * Sanky @kuriputo> yaourt -S minetest
20:32 Sanky Packages (1): minetest-0.4.7-1
20:32 Sanky :: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] y
20:32 Sanky just wanted to say this is awesome ;)
20:32 VanessaE don't\ flood
20:32 Calinou cool story :>
20:32 Calinou hi
20:32 Calinou Sanky: you should get git
20:32 Calinou it has a ton of new features
20:33 Calinou 0.4.7 is quite old already :P
20:33 * Sanky @kuriputo> yaourt -S minetest-git
20:33 Sanky ==> Downloading minetest-git PKGBUILD from AUR...
20:33 VanessaE Calinou: careful, you'll raise some of the core dev's ire for that
20:33 Sanky fkin sweet
20:33 Calinou why :P
20:34 VanessaE because calling -release outdated or old or so is somehow taboo now
20:34 VanessaE (despite it being true)
20:34 ShadowNinja Sanky: Try http://shadowninja.minetest.net/mods/nuke.tgz :-)
20:34 Jordach_ OHH SHIT
20:34 thexyz why's that taboo?
20:34 Sanky i haven't even run the game yet
20:34 Sanky i haven't even loaded the official page
20:35 VanessaE thexyz: ask pilz.  I think he was the last to make that statement
20:35 thexyz meh
20:35 thexyz I'd rather not
20:36 VanessaE well I can't presume to speak for him :P
20:36 PilzAdam for me, "latest" means "latest stable", so "latest stable" cant be outdated by definition
20:36 VanessaE hah there he is
20:36 VanessaE (thought you'd signed off)
20:37 thexyz that's nice
20:37 john_minetest for me "latest" means "git pull && cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make"
20:37 thexyz it can't be outdated by definition he said
20:37 thexyz without providing the definition
20:37 john_minetest and "stable" means the official stable-but-outdated thing
20:38 thexyz VanessaE: well, there are two open pull request and one issue
20:38 thexyz for 0.4.8 milestone
20:40 * VanessaE shrugs
20:40 VanessaE I don't really put much stock in those milestones
20:41 thexyz why?
20:41 thexyz there's a nice bug marked as "blocker" which no one knows how to solve
20:42 ShadowNinja Maybe this should be added, as it should be merged before 0.4.8. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/925
20:42 VanessaE because that's just a damn translation, meanwhile there are much worse bugs that remain unsolved
20:42 VanessaE let alone tagged/not tagged for any given milestone
20:43 thexyz that's not just "damn translation"
20:43 thexyz this makes the game essentially unplayable for users with locale set to something something ru cn jp whatever else it could be
20:44 VanessaE and that could be solved temporarily by disabling those locales or however that works.
20:44 VanessaE not that that's a correct fix.
20:44 VanessaE but that's a way to make it playable.  meanwhile there are plenty of truly nasty bugs that go unsolved.
20:44 thexyz yeah, sure, nice regression
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20:45 VanessaE *facepalm*
20:45 Jordach_ well timed VanessaE
20:45 Peacock how to stop/fix:
20:45 Peacock ServerEnvironment::addActiveObjectRaw(): could not find block for storing id=30 statically (pos=(-4610,125,-4891))
20:45 Jordach_ Peacock joins the channel and you facepalm
20:47 VanessaE thexyz: let me put it a different way.  Why are the entity duplication and inventory-open crashes not on any milestone?  At least the russian et al. stuff can be worked around into a playable state.
20:47 VanessaE the others, basically, are a crapshoot
20:48 ShadowNinja Peacock: Fix the code.
20:48 thexyz VanessaE: what is "inventory-open crash"?
20:48 VanessaE THAT is why I ignore the milestones anymore.
20:48 thexyz and what is "entity duplication"?
20:48 thexyz wait, I think I heard about the last one
20:48 Peacock ShadowNinja lua code, or the ~100 cpp files?
20:49 VanessaE #831
20:50 thexyz VanessaE: well, you see, the problem is that it's labeled "unconfirmed"
20:50 VanessaE kahrl had #863 on the milestones because it renders some servers useless.
20:50 ShadowNinja Peacock: C++.
20:50 VanessaE (remote media is busted)
20:51 thexyz and this issue can be worked around by not requesting your inventory while the game still loads!
20:51 thexyz code-less patch!
20:51 VanessaE thexyz: inconsistent.
20:51 VanessaE it doesn't always work in practice.
20:51 Peacock shadowninja, i have a hard time understanding the spaghetti that is lighthing lol nevermind entities.... so it's a bug?
20:52 thexyz anyway, I think those issues aren't on milestone because they don't happen too often
20:52 VanessaE thexyz: the crash hits me nearly every time I play the game.
20:52 VanessaE the remote media, nearly every user who signs on
20:52 VanessaE the duplication bug hits EVERYONE
20:52 thexyz everyone?
20:52 thexyz can you provide issue ID?
20:52 VanessaE yes, everyone.
20:53 VanessaE um, why should I have to, you know this issue surely.
20:53 VanessaE and if you spend 5 minutes watching my/shadow's/kaeza's server channel during a busy period, you'll see more signons/offs than you can count, most of the off's (round about 75%) are crashes.
20:54 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/218
20:54 VanessaE maybe this one.
20:54 thexyz sadly, I'm not in that "everyone" set you're talking about
20:54 thexyz because this've never occurred to me
20:54 VanessaE it has occurred even for you, you probably just never noticed it.
20:54 ShadowNinja Yep, >50% of joining players time out.
20:55 ShadowNinja And I don't have all that many mods.
20:55 thexyz alright, alright
20:55 VanessaE it happens on all servers that stay up more than ~5 or 10 mins.
20:55 Peacock > 60% on my server timeout
20:55 thexyz entity duplication for sure occurred for me, I just didn't notice
20:55 thexyz players didn't either
20:56 VanessaE or they didn't complain.
20:56 Menche my server slowed down significantly every few days due to pillars of duplicated entities forming
20:56 VanessaE I have to /clearobjects every couple of days at least, to keep them under control.
20:57 VanessaE (signs, mobs, and pipeworks all use entities, but afaik all of them try to keep their usage under control)
20:57 Menche signs?
20:57 thexyz well, you see
20:57 thexyz after that issue with bad ram
20:57 VanessaE yeah well that issue was fixed months ago
20:57 thexyz meh, whatever, this is totally not constructive
20:58 VanessaE milestones are, as c55 said, useless.
20:58 VanessaE (though for him it was a different reason)
20:58 VanessaE mench: visible-text signs, based on thexyz's mod
20:59 thexyz they can be useless to him since he no longer actively develops minetest
20:59 VanessaE thexyz: they are useless to him because there were (at the time) no rules/guidelines for designating something as a milestone, I believe.
21:01 VanessaE (a bunch of stuff got inexplicably tagged that shouldn't have, which kahrl subsequently cleaned up.)
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21:06 Peacock shadowninja posted issue in meantime https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/945
21:11 Menche tool that uses entities?
21:12 VanessaE yeah I didn't get that either
21:16 Peacock guns, bows, terrain
21:17 Peacock after n number of uses, i get "could not find block for storing id=..."
21:18 Peacock and all my bullets/entities are set to remove themselves after 3 seconds, but you get the impression they're all still in memory for some reason
21:19 VanessaE I see this error frequently on my system as well, under varying conditions,.
21:20 Peacock it doesn't have to be a tool i guess, anytime you have a mod that uses/adds many entities this happens
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21:21 Peacock its just that for me, it happens alot with my terrain editor tool, after 5 or 10 minutes of use i have to restart the game
21:21 * VanessaE mumbles something about TNT mod...
21:21 zsoltisawesome haha
21:21 cy1 OK
21:21 Peacock and i take care to remove my entities, they shouldn't still be loaded, but only restart fixes it lol
21:21 cy1 finally got a client and a server compiled again
21:21 cy1 so I can test https://github.com/cyisfor/item_drop
21:22 cy1 now with items expiring even if they unload :p
21:24 VanessaE cy1: add config options so that drop and pickup can be enabled separately :)
21:25 cy1 Yeah I did that first.
21:25 cy1 select block, tabify right, add if statement :p
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21:26 sfan5 hahaha http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/com​ments/1nqhag/attacking_tor_how_the​_nsa_targets_users_online/ccl2byb
21:27 Miner_48er sfan5 can you define soon?
21:27 sfan5 no
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21:38 ShadowNinja cy1: Try to keep the line length a bit lower. And are you using spaces for indentation?
21:40 ShadowNinja cy1: Also spaces after commas, and you added some semicolons in some places.
21:43 PilzAdam bye
21:44 ShadowNinja cy1: object:is_player() looks unnecessary.
21:44 VanessaE he's off early.
21:45 ShadowNinja cy1: If object is nil in pickupOrStop it will crash, therefore either the conditional should be moved or removed.
21:46 ShadowNinja cy1: "entity" would be a better name for a LuaEntity than "lua".
21:47 VanessaE note to self:  read the code a bit before suggesting a feature :)
21:47 ShadowNinja cy1: moveTowards() would be shorter with vector helpers.
21:47 cy1 ShadowNinja: semicolons are a habit. I try to avoid them. And thanks for suggestions. A lot of this stuff is just copied from PilzAdam so it's not optimal
21:47 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I'd avoid vectors until they can be properly sanitized and backtrace-enabled
21:48 VanessaE (e.g. your patch if not something else)
21:48 ShadowNinja cy1: Line 59 has to be re-done, use this:
21:49 cy1 My problem is that minetest.handle_node_drops doesn't seem to be called when I drop a node.
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21:49 cy1 That's what I'mma fix first. :p
21:49 ShadowNinja minetest.after(1, function(obj, inv, player)
21:50 ShadowNinja pickupOrStop(obj, inv, player)
21:50 ShadowNinja end, obj, inv, player)
21:50 cy1 oh so not in {}'s?
21:51 ShadowNinja Nope, that passes a table where {[1] = player, [2] = inv, [3] = object}
21:51 cy1 Yeah.
21:52 cy1 I just didn't know what minetest.after expected to get.
21:52 ShadowNinja That creates a unnecessary table, the function receives everyting passed after in to minetest.after.
21:52 ShadowNinja Add spaces around arthimetic operators.
21:53 cy1 Ugh, stupid globals...
21:53 cy1 technic chainsaw, builtin item,creative init, and item drop init all define minetest.handle_node_drops. technic's the only one that saves the old value.
21:54 ShadowNinja Remove uses of env:.
21:55 ShadowNinja Hah, my mod is the only one doing it right. :-)
21:55 ShadowNinja (Or at least one that I develop)
21:56 cy1 to be fair, builtin item can pretty much assume there will be no old handler. It goes first.
21:58 cy1 Now this is a quandary. How to set the on_activate function for an object that loads from an unloaded block? It's not like it drops a second time.
21:59 ShadowNinja Hmmm? Redefine the builtin on_activate and read the staticdata.
22:00 cy1 Yeah, and save the old one. But it has to be for all objects, and I'd just assume another mod doesn't use staticdata. Maybe a magic type number stuck in there.
22:01 chlue just curios, what is wrong with the current item drop mod?
22:01 cy1 on_* are defined for every item type. I'm not sure if it's global... hm...
22:01 cy1 chlue: It doesn't expire items right.
22:02 chlue ok
22:03 xiong You guys. What happened with 'technic'? More stuff broken than I can count.
22:03 cy1 Settings lul
22:03 ShadowNinja cy1: Use minetest.serialize/deserialize to ensure multiple mods can use staticdata.
22:03 cy1 Good idea ShadowNinja.
22:04 ShadowNinja xiong: Nothing broken. master is for git only.
22:04 xiong I don't even know if BR pulled master. I'm asking what happened.
22:04 xiong Why this sharp right-hand turn?
22:05 xiong Right or wrong, people are gonna fall off the cart.
22:05 Nocte Oh also: Have you guys seen the Pokémon mod for Minecraft? Hehehe.
22:05 ShadowNinja I partially rewrote technic because it had ugly, ugly, ugly code.
22:05 cy1 I noticed the Settings global which has been in technic for a while now doesn't exist. Not sure what's up with that.
22:05 xiong Somebody changed a lot of behavior, too.
22:05 ShadowNinja cy1: It is inly available in git versions of Minetest.
22:06 ShadowNinja only*
22:06 cy1 ShadowNinja: Right. That's the right hand turn though. It's in minetest, not technic.
22:07 xiong Well, something firebombed a couple weeks' worth of hard work.
22:07 ShadowNinja cy1: ? LuaSettings > Simplistic Lua clone of C++ Settings.
22:07 cy1 ShadowNinja: I don't know the details. If minetest core made that change then it's probably a good idea.
22:08 cy1 xiong: the specific error message might help
22:08 ShadowNinja cy1: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/d820a6bfd807b6d181a858f3ea8a0d0f5c2b1879
22:08 xiong Solar does not work because the chunk unloads out of sight. That might be consistent but it's not how it used to work. Battery boxes don't seem to work with converters at all. A lot of recipes have changed, which destroys economies.
22:08 xiong It's not an error.
22:08 xiong The game runs, you know.
22:08 cy1 Battery boxes have been broken for a while...
22:08 xiong It's not one thing; it's a half-dozen or more.
22:08 cy1 converter/boxes I mean.
22:09 cy1 Only HV generators charge HV boxes, MV to MV etc, for some reason.
22:09 xiong The converter formula has been changed.
22:09 cy1 I've got a giant geothermal thing, and my MV battery box stays empty, though the tool workshop and electric furnace go just fine.
22:09 xiong I had HV solar downconverting, charging MV box, running MV bus. That's all pooed.
22:09 ShadowNinja Supply converters neve worked properly, thay are a little batter now, but the switching station needs to be rewritten to support it.
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22:10 cy1 Low Y MV generators might be nice...
22:10 ShadowNinja -> #minetest-technic
22:10 cy1 It's either use LV battery charger, or a Nuclear plant!
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22:12 zat1 Am I the only one noticing that minetestserver consumes way too much CPU?
22:12 us|0gb THis is odd. Minetest animations support type="vertical_frames" but not type="horizontal_frames".
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22:14 cy1 zat: lol yeah
22:15 cy1 In environment.cpp when it activates objects, it reads the object's integer type from the database. Then in serverobject.cpp it calls a factory function based on that type, and does nothing else.
22:15 cy1 So there are no global hooks to deal with on_activate :(
22:15 zat cy1: lol
22:15 ShadowNinja cy1: Far from it, everyone with a server knows that it is too high.
22:16 cy1 CPU is too damn high!
22:18 cy1 OK so there are only two object types, entities and items. LuaEntitySAO = entity (why Lua?) and ItemSAO = item. So the on_activate for items in general might be hookable...
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22:20 cy1 Peculiar, every time after an ItemSAO is created, it registers its type to be created, even though it had to already be registered for that constructor to be called. Should register statically or something.
22:22 Peacock lol comments http://games.slashdot.org/story/13/10/04/1935259​/steam-machine-prototypes-use-intel-cpus-nvidia-​gpus?utm_source=slashdot&amp;utm_medium=twitter
22:33 cy1 Ugh...
22:34 cy1 ShadowNinja: Not sure there is an on_activate for items at all in minetest core. It specifically calls luaentity_Activate, and on_activate isn't mentioned anywhere else.
22:36 Peacock jesus, http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/04/man-​douses-himself-in-gasoline-and-sets-himself-​on-fire-on-the-national-mall-in-washington/
22:39 ShadowNinja cy1: on_activate it definitely called for entities, items are just annother entity with the name __builtim:item.
22:39 ShadowNinja __builtin:item*
22:40 cy1 ShadowNinja: No, they're created with createItemSAO, which constructs a new ItemSAO, which is not derived from LuaEntitySAO, but its base class ServerActiveObject.
22:41 cy1 minetest.env:add_item calls createItemSAO I mean
22:43 ShadowNinja Hmmm, bug? Why is there a ItemSAO?
22:50 kahrl ItemSAO is for compatibility with older maps
22:50 kahrl and no, add_item doesn't call createItemSAO
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22:53 kaeza greetings
22:54 Peacock greetings
22:54 zsoltisawesome Hello, I come in peace
22:55 Peacock zsoltisawesome, get out, and take your dishonour with you
22:55 Peacock (just kidding)
22:55 zsoltisawesome WHAT!!!! (lol)
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22:57 zsoltisawesome Not to advertise, but has anyone heard of Moontest?
22:58 Peacock thats when you flash your butt to police on the highway and test whether you get arrested or not?
22:58 zsoltisawesome Lol
22:59 zsoltisawesome No
22:59 paramat ha
23:00 Peacock moon type games will be cool when rba's dome stuff will be finished tho
23:02 paramat Peacock, im working on a simpler paragen lvm with the new faster perlin functions, should be ready for testing later tonight
23:03 Peacock how i test: try setting time while the map loads
23:03 Peacock if theres lag, multiply for each user on a public server and it gives me a good idea
23:03 paramat yeah im looking forward to custom skies, although i dislike those photo realistic examples in the thread
23:04 paramat hm even lvm mods may be too slow for a server, btw have you tried paragenv7, 4 secs per chunk
23:04 Peacock that uses mgv7 right?
23:04 paramat yes
23:05 Peacock how do i use it to set a realm at 25K while not affecting the default terrain at 0?
23:05 paramat heh .. um
23:06 arsdragonfly paramat : perlin-noise clouds?
23:06 Peacock hehe thats why mapgen should be lua objects with extra configs :P
23:06 paramat i think mgv7 is always at y = 0, so displace it sideways?
23:06 Peacock but then that'd fuck up the default terrain on my months old map
23:06 paramat p-n clouds done
23:06 Peacock which at y=0, is 100 nodes underwater
23:07 paramat ... in paragen 0.2.0, clouds appear according to humidity perlin, high humidity = dark clouds
23:08 paramat :) yeah flooded earth, would need an impassable barrier? a big gap to divide realms?
23:08 paramat paragenv7 is not even lvm yet, so it will get faster
23:08 zsoltisawesome Bye
23:09 paramat our irc chat a few days ago reminded me to slap some biomes down on mgv7, the result is my best mod ever :}
23:10 Menche my attempts at adding biomes to mgv7 have impossibly high ravine/rivers
23:11 Peacock not sure how to do realms that generate quickly enough
23:17 paramat i think hm-mm wants to make the completed mgv7 capable of generating custom biomes and realms at any height, of 3 types: sky realm, suface realm, underworld realm ... to generate a vertical stack
23:17 paramat ^ surface not sue-face realm hah
23:17 Peacock the height should be adjustable though so you can have as many or as little as you want
23:18 paramat yes
23:18 paramat nows the time to bug hm-mm about it :) he's working on it
23:19 Peacock well i think he has a dayjob too like rba
23:19 Peacock so lets not bug too much lol
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