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00:00 hmmmmm things are more predictable for the map generator
00:00 hmmmmm there are no lighting errors
00:00 Mossmanikin Walking 62 km... that's a lot of exploring
00:00 hmmmmm etc.
00:00 Tiktalik minecraft's managed to get lighting errors down though, in SP at least
00:00 Menche someone estimated the filesize of a fully generated map; i forget exactly but i think it was several TB
00:00 Tiktalik hardly any at all!
00:00 Peacock well the mapgen doesn't really do much at y > ~100
00:01 Tiktalik menche, that's just lousy compression...
00:01 Tiktalik :(
00:01 [0gb_us] Lousy is better than lossy. just saying.
00:01 Menche i've seen lots of lighting errors in MC, worse than in MT
00:01 Tiktalik or maybe not
00:02 Tiktalik [0gb_us]: MC's compression isn't lossy. >_>
00:02 Menche areas underneath overhangs pitch black
00:02 Tiktalik that was a long time ago
00:02 [0gb_us] I didn't say it was. I was saying we could have worse.
00:02 Peacock so lighting and shadow are bad in both games? :(
00:02 * Menche wonders what the filesize difference is between sqlite3 and leveldb
00:03 Tiktalik but anyway Menche, 16200 by 32400 blocks for a big minecraft map, and it's uh, only around 10 gb
00:03 Smelly Vazon
00:03 Smelly whats your name
00:03 Vazon yes
00:03 Smelly on rem
00:03 Tiktalik smaller actually
00:03 Vazon vazon
00:03 Menche afk
00:03 Smelly now I just add you
00:03 Smelly and you can join
00:03 Vazon let me get on
00:03 Peacock big maps are fun cuz you can have several completely different areas without em leaning against eachother (tighly placed)
00:04 Tiktalik but eh, 62000 is bigger than I thought
00:04 Tiktalik still though, 100000 would be better.
00:04 Smelly Now you can just join the server?
00:05 Smelly since I have you added
00:05 Menche on my little singleplayer world, map.db (leveldb) is 4.0K and map.sqlite is 39M
00:05 Mossmanikin More space also means a bigger chance to get lost
00:05 Vazon yes
00:05 Smelly try now then
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00:05 Vazon but first you have to start the server
00:05 Smelly I did
00:05 Vazon o yea
00:05 Smelly i have you added, try to join
00:06 Tiktalik Mossmanikin: being able to get lost is good
00:06 Tiktalik Menche: what's leveldb?
00:06 Menche a new map saving backend
00:06 Menche the latest -git version can save either in leveldb or sqlite3
00:07 Menche supposed to be more stable for larger worlds
00:07 Menche (leveldb that is)
00:07 Mossmanikin Tiktalik: Yes it is. But don't worry: you are able. ;)
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00:16 * Tiktalik goes to finally download minetest
00:16 Tiktalik So how is combat going to compare to that... other thing, where it boils down to jumping at enemies while left-clicking?
00:18 Peacock combat kinda sucks
00:18 Peacock better of fighting mobs cuz half the punches on a player dont register
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00:25 Tiktalik hmmm
00:25 Tiktalik minetest could use a little smoothing out in places, but I like it
00:26 [0gb_us] Yeah, well, the game is far from complete yet. It's bound to be missing a few things.
00:27 Mossmanikin Smoother terrain like less blocky?
00:37 Peacock cant really get smoother terrain without sloped faces
00:39 Peacock i do wish the BR's would give up trying to come on my server - apparently theyre banned outright on a number of online games
00:39 Tiktalik no Mossmanikin
00:39 Peacock (discussed it with someone who plays WoW and LoL)
00:39 Tiktalik Peacock: BR's?
00:39 Peacock BRazilians
00:40 Peacock though BR is more slang for the troll segment of their internet population
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00:40 Tiktalik ah
00:40 Tiktalik anyway, the grass is kinda bad
00:40 Tiktalik so are the item textures and gui
00:41 Tiktalik and the physics...don't really feel like walking?
00:41 Peacock minetest is not about realism (tm) :P
00:41 Tiktalik it feels more like riding on something
00:41 Tiktalik Peacock: 16x isn't bad :P
00:41 Mossmanikin I'd love to have the ability to draw terrain like liquids with exact collision...
00:42 Peacock mossmanikin im trying to figure how to draw nodeboxes by their verticles instead of edges
00:42 Peacock *vertices
00:42 Peacock why do i keep making that mistake? lol
00:43 Mossmanikin Very interesting indeed
00:43 Peacock though the MT code is absolute maze of files spun like a web lol
00:44 Peacock if there was a half decent IDE for linux i might be able to make sense of it
00:45 Mossmanikin Peacock: I'm quite sure it's possible to draw nodeboxes by their verticles, but have no idea what has to be hardcode....
00:46 Peacock well with vertices you could have slopes/triangles as well as cubical/rectangular
00:47 Peacock the irregular shapes mod how it does it right now is to define anywhere between 16 and 32 individual nodeboxes to give the illusion of a slope
00:47 Peacock i cant imagine drawing so many faces is simpler or easier on the engine than defining 6 vertices for the same effect
00:48 Mossmanikin Yeah, like it (irregular), but isn't what I want, seems like a bad compromise
00:50 Peacock maps like these? http://maniagaming.net/img/blockscape1.png
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00:53 Tiktalik Peacock: nodes boxes can be any distance/shape?
00:53 Tiktalik erm, not distance
00:53 Tiktalik and not shape
00:53 Tiktalik size
00:53 Tiktalik and place
00:53 Peacock any size, but they have to be cublice
00:53 Peacock *cubicle
00:54 Peacock the 6 points define where each face ends
00:54 Mossmanikin Comes close, but still not smooth enough. I mean something like https://dl.dropboxusercontent.c​om/s/sck919u01ror00d/dunes.png , but with exact collision
00:55 Peacock well those are slopes, theyre the slopes from the liquid drawtype
00:55 Tiktalik oooh
00:55 Tiktalik I love the lighting
00:55 Tiktalik the brights are brights
00:55 Tiktalik but the darks...are daaark
00:55 Peacock tried that out myself on grass, but the collision thing was a dealbreaker
00:55 Tiktalik hey guys, I just had a good idea
00:55 Tiktalik what if you made what's currently cobblestone, into rough stone
00:55 Mossmanikin Yeah, collision is the problem
00:56 Tiktalik and had rough stone and smoothed stone
00:56 Tiktalik done with a chisel or something idk
00:59 Mossmanikin Always found it a bit weird one has to "cook" cobblestone to get stone
01:01 Tiktalik Mossmanikin: cobblestone isn't even close to what blockgames call it!
01:02 Tiktalik rather, have it be
01:14 Tiktalik Mossmanikin: it's a type of stone used for roads :(
01:16 Mossmanikin Tiktalik: Yes, don't really make sense you get "big gravel" by digging rock...
01:20 Tiktalik Mossmanikin: what if you got rough-hewn stone by digging rock, and you could get cobblestones near rivers, dig them with a shovel
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01:21 jojoa1997 Hi
01:22 Mossmanikin Tiktalik: Guess would be more realistic. 'fraid it wouldn't be Minecraft-like enough. But nice idea for a mod in case it's nothing for the default game :)
01:23 Mossmanikin Hi jojoa1997
01:23 jojoa1997 anyone know what color minecraft lether armor is set to?
01:23 jojoa1997 like the #ff00fff thingy
01:24 Tiktalik Mossmanikin: It'd be functionally the same, and gravel could  become cobblestone-y
01:26 jojoa1997 Mossmanikin what you doing?
01:27 Mossmanikin Tiktalik: I think your ideas are good, in case you'd like to mod make a mod out of it, otherwise post here: Tiktalik
01:28 Mossmanikin jojoa1997: right now: thinking and chatting
01:29 Mossmanikin sorry Tiktalik, meant post here: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=102672#p102672
01:29 [0gb_us] jojoa1997, send me a picture and I'll get the color number for you, but I've never seen it.
01:31 Tiktalik mossmanikin, are you copy/pasting my name? xD
01:31 Tiktalik anyway, does minetest accept texture donations?
01:32 Mossmanikin Tiktalik: Exactly! Copy/paste mistake :D
01:32 Tiktalik Mossmanikin: Type Tik then press the tab key on your keyboard
01:32 Tiktalik Magic.
01:33 jojoa1997 0gb_us i will see if i can
01:33 [0gb_us] Can what, jojoa1997?
01:33 jojoa1997 can send you it
01:33 jojoa1997 <Mossmanikin> jojoa1997: right now: thinking and chatting
01:34 Mossmanikin Tiktalik: Yes, minetest accepts texture donations
01:34 jojoa1997 i was talkingabout this <Mossmanikin> Tiktalik: I think your ideas are good, in case you'd like to mod make a mod out of it, otherwise post here: Tiktalik
01:34 Tiktalik Where does it keep the texture files
01:34 [0gb_us] Oh, sorry. I got way sidetracked and lost track of the conversation.
01:34 Mossmanikin Yes, I'm more chatting than thinking, like always ;D
01:36 Tiktalik Mossmanikin: Where are minetest's textures kept?
01:36 jojoa1997 brb
01:39 Mossmanikin Tiktalik: minetest (the game) has textures in .../games/minetest_game/mods and then in the different mod folders in .../textures
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01:43 thefamilygrog66 There are a bunch of stray kittens outside - should I attempt to catch some to throw at Calinou?
01:44 [0gb_us] No, that's a waste of kittens. Pass them to me, I'm hungry.
01:44 thefamilygrog66 mmm tasty
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01:55 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMI5YaInHdU She's so cute~
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02:10 PilzAdam bye
02:14 thefamilygrog66 I don't get it, NekoGloop
02:15 Mossmanikin bye, later
02:33 xiong Caution: If you take in a stray kitten, it turns into a cat... who is less cute and expects royal care.
02:33 [0gb_us] Actually, I prefer cats over kittens anyway.
02:34 [0gb_us] Kittens are destructive and have a lot of energy.
02:34 [0gb_us] Adult cats are more calm.
02:34 [0gb_us] And more careful.
02:34 xiong I prefer large dogs; although cats can be okay. But I'm just away from home too much and can't possibly afford a house and yard.
02:35 [0gb_us] Kittens are more likely to accidentally hurt you.
02:35 [0gb_us] I see. Dogs scare me personally.
02:36 Exio4 dogs :D
02:36 VanessaE hi all
02:36 Exio4 we have two puppies here, they are cute
02:36 Exio4 they are like 1 month old
02:36 [0gb_us] Hello, VanessaE!
02:36 [0gb_us] Baby animals of any type are often more trouble than their adult counterparts.
02:37 VanessaE anyone care to see some new photos of me? :-)
02:37 [0gb_us] Okay, sure.
02:38 Exio4 new photos? just upload some photos from 2004 \o/
02:38 VanessaE https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?se​t=a.558797120834851.1073741827.1000011​37039065&amp;type=1&amp;l=de1c68bfce
02:38 VanessaE (you don't need to be on fb to see that link)
02:38 Exio4 :( facebook
02:39 VanessaE ok fine, http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/extra/
02:39 [0gb_us] I think I like the pink one best.
02:39 VanessaE go there instead.  look at the last dated images among the first couple dozen
02:39 [0gb_us] Facebook doesn't like me, but as long as I don't have to log in, I don't mind, as I deleted my account with them.
02:39 Peacock this is me during the korean war (on the left) http://0.tqn.com/d/history1​900s/1/0/3/B/1/korean28.gif
02:40 [0gb_us] Back when photos were still greyscale.
02:40 [0gb_us] VanessaE, did you make those dresses?
02:41 VanessaE 0gb: the silver and gold ones, yes.  the others, I bought.
02:41 [0gb_us] What did you make them out of? They're shiny.
02:41 VanessaE vinyl
02:42 * [0gb_us] pulls out records and fails to make clothing out of them
02:42 VanessaE (technically, the material is a combination of PVC and Polyurethane layered onto spandex, but I didn't make the material itself)
02:42 [0gb_us] Yeah, I didn't think you made cloth. That's more a factory-type deal.
02:43 VanessaE hehe
02:43 [0gb_us] Sewing can be fun (I used to do it a little), but I don't imagine making cloth by hand would be fun or effective.
02:43 VanessaE only cost me about $30 in material + thread to make the gold one, the silver I already had leftover fabric on hand from a previous project, so it only cost a couple of bucks for a suitable color of thread.
02:44 [0gb_us] Nice! They look like they'd cost a lot more than that in a store.
02:45 VanessaE everyone liked the gold one, that was tonight's special outfit for a friend's event
02:46 VanessaE in a store, the gold, silver, red, or black ones would run $40 to $80 depending on who makes them (usually the lower end of that because it's almost all chinese anymore).  The pink one was around $110.
02:47 [0gb_us] Wow, that's a chunk of change.
02:49 VanessaE yeah
02:49 VanessaE but I got by cheaper than most thanks to my crack sewing skillz ;)
02:49 Peacock you sewed crack pouches into your dress?
02:49 VanessaE :P
02:50 [0gb_us] Ha ha, yeah. Those can come in handy. It's a good way to pass the time too, if you have time to pass.
02:50 Peacock you can do alot of time for stashing crack :P
02:50 [0gb_us] Where else would the crack pouches go? In the bonnet?
02:51 Peacock hm, good question, i hate flying so i never thought about it lol
02:51 [0gb_us] Flying ... what?
02:51 [0gb_us] You lost me on that one.
02:51 Peacock well why else would you stash crack but to smuggle it lol
02:52 [0gb_us] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fywRuLOoBo
02:53 Peacock though judging from all the gangster movies, everything's been tried lol
02:54 [0gb_us] Smuggling the loot to make that cash, first class lounging and I'm gone in a flash!
02:54 Peacock even news stories about babies ODing because someone hid stuff in baby formula cans and forgot to take it out (or got the cans mixed)
02:54 thefamilygrog66 man, just deleted my myspace account - I'm not sure what the hell happened to it, but I didn't like it...
02:55 Peacock no one on myspace, thats what happened :P
02:55 thefamilygrog66 not just that, the whole site has changed into a music listening type of thing, but I had little to no control over my own music there
02:55 Peacock though facebook is getting to be annoying to with all these game requests
02:56 Peacock always check to make sure who owns your music before uploading shit, you dont want them claiming rights over it
02:56 [0gb_us] Facebook wouldn't let me validate my account without entering my cell phone number (I don't have a cell phone, and if I did, Facebook wouldn't be getting my number). Facebook would let me use the site, but wouldn't let me use my chat client with their system without validating my account with that stupid cell phone system ....
02:56 thefamilygrog66 weirdness
02:57 Peacock arent there other methods to validate an account on fb?
02:57 thefamilygrog66 my music's already been published/released on vinyl (speaking of vinyl) and CD, so I'm not too worried about someone else trying to claim it
02:58 Peacock yeah but who knows what myspace might claim their rights are
02:58 Peacock like facebook and using your pics in adverts
02:58 thefamilygrog66 but at any rate, I just deleted it all from myspace, and then the pictures, and then my whole account
02:59 Peacock fbook is simple for me, fake location, fake name, and picture of a black guy (which im not) :P
02:59 thefamilygrog66 nobody's gonna get rich off my songs, and if they're spread around to other folks who enjoy them, that's cool with me
03:00 [0gb_us] The only non-cell phone way to validate your account any more is by sending Facebook copies of legal documents proving your identity. And since I don't use my real name online, I can't prove my identity using legal documents.
03:00 thefamilygrog66 I only wish I'd held onto more than one copy of my LP - it's selling on ebay for $150 these days!
03:01 [0gb_us] Wow!
03:01 thefamilygrog66 ...and I gave most of my 100 copies away, d'oh!
03:02 Peacock cant make more?
03:04 thefamilygrog66 it was released on a UK label in 2000
03:04 * thefamilygrog66 is Canadian
03:04 * thefamilygrog66 can't afford to press vinyl
03:04 thefamilygrog66 haha
03:05 thefamilygrog66 here's someone in China selling a copy for $149: http://goo.gl/IRYrXK
03:06 Exio4 LP = long plays?
03:06 VanessaE technically but usually it just means "a normal size record" versus a "45"
03:06 thefamilygrog66 long player, I believe - vinyl 12" record
03:15 e1z0 mornin
03:15 thefamilygrog66 evenin
03:15 e1z0 :O
03:15 e1z0 it's 6:15 AM here
03:16 thefamilygrog66 it's 11:16 pm here
03:16 e1z0 :O
03:16 e1z0 US ?
03:16 thefamilygrog66 it's probably tomorrow there too!
03:16 thefamilygrog66 Canada, eh
03:16 e1z0 ah
03:16 e1z0 here, europe
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03:16 e1z0 :-p
03:16 Exio4 it is 00:16 there
03:16 Exio4 argentina, UTC-3
03:16 Exio4 here*
03:16 thefamilygrog66 cool
03:16 thefamilygrog66 hey Menche
03:17 e1z0 UTC+2
03:17 Exio4 obviously europe :P
03:17 e1z0 EEST
03:17 * e1z0 drinks beer
03:17 Menche UTC-7
03:18 Exio4 e1z0: german? :P
03:18 * Menche has a hard time getting that it isn't night for everyone right now
03:18 e1z0 no
03:18 e1z0 i'm from lithuania
03:18 thefamilygrog66 drinking beer at 6:15am?!
03:18 e1z0 thefamilygrog66, yeah, just get up
03:18 e1z0 :-D
03:18 thefamilygrog66 my goodness
03:18 e1z0 i'm some kind of alcoholic this week
03:19 e1z0 just having a lot of stress
03:19 e1z0 so, drink helps in such situations
03:19 e1z0 Exio4, do you know lithuania ?
03:19 Peacock drinking in the morning doesn't make you an alcoholic, it makes you a pirate! :D
03:19 e1z0 it's a small country between, russia, latvia, poland
03:19 Exio4 e1z0: i don't
03:20 e1z0 we are strong at basketball
03:20 Exio4 that is, i don't know any country in europe, i never went out of argentina (and uruguay)
03:20 Exio4 i only know it by name! :P
03:21 [0gb_us] It makes you an alcoholic pirate.
03:21 e1z0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lit​huania_national_basketball_team
03:21 e1z0 why me are alcoholic pirate ?
03:21 e1z0 i'm just alcoholic
03:22 e1z0 i'm not making a beer or some king of alcohol
03:22 [0gb_us] Oh, well, if you're not downloading things illegally or stealling on the high seas, you're probably not a pirate.
03:22 Tiktalik minetest needs more gravity
03:22 Tiktalik and also more physics
03:22 Menche gravity can be configured
03:22 Peacock drinking in the morning = like pirates :P
03:22 Peacock not actually pirating stuff
03:23 [0gb_us] Minetest gravity and other physics are fine as they are.
03:23 e1z0 ah, thanks for information
03:23 Peacock though im used to drinking in the morning, worked nightshift for many years lol
03:23 Menche play with the "movement_gravity" setting in minetest.conf. default is 9.81
03:23 ShadowNinja Tiktalik: There..^
03:23 e1z0 i'm forgetting the english language, coz i don't use it frequently these days
03:23 Tiktalik [0gb_us]: no, falling is too slow after jumping
03:24 Tiktalik too floaty
03:24 Menche i really prefer the simpler physics before the new system was added
03:24 [0gb_us] That's fine. It doesn't need to be realistic.
03:24 Tiktalik it feels bad though
03:24 Tiktalik that's the problem
03:24 [0gb_us] The simpler system was better in most ways, I agree Menche.
03:25 [0gb_us] It doesn't feel bad ... Does it feel bad in Mario when you stay airbore too long? No. Same here.
03:25 [0gb_us] *airborne
03:25 Menche the old system was easier to control
03:25 e1z0 everything is ok with minetest except some times it accours locked in a area then connecting to server
03:25 e1z0 do not know how to explain in english
03:25 Menche you can only get so realistic in a cube world before it gets annoying
03:25 [0gb_us] No worries, e1z0.
03:26 [0gb_us] Cubes plus realism ... *shakes head in confusion at the very thought*
03:26 [0gb_us] Confusion isn't the right word, but I'm at a loss for words.
03:27 Menche lets make it so realisic you have to keep your balance or you'll fall over! with 4 keys and a mouse!
03:27 Tiktalik [0gb_us]: it's at an awkward point where it feels like you should be going higher for how gravity goes
03:27 e1z0 i'm in progress with minecraft fork
03:27 [0gb_us] I haven't run accross that myself on default settings. Well, default physics settings, anyway.
03:27 e1z0 everything works, with the latest git commits
03:28 [0gb_us] Nice!
03:28 [0gb_us] What will your fork change?
03:28 e1z0 don't know how to exactly write copyright messages
03:28 e1z0 i'm changing it's name
03:29 e1z0 [0gb_us], fork will it stabilize, and will be translated in my country language
03:29 [0gb_us] Oh, nice! What language is that?
03:29 e1z0 lithuanian, lol
03:29 e1z0 :-)
03:29 Tiktalik anyway [0gb_us], Minetest feels like it can't decide if you should be up or down
03:29 Tiktalik as far as jumping goes
03:30 Tiktalik also, jumping up hills works weirdly
03:30 thefamilygrog66 you know those mobs that are like, really big mobs?
03:30 [0gb_us] Tiktalik, it doesn't feel that way to me ... I don't know about other people though.
03:30 thefamilygrog66 this is what I'm dealing with on my server right now: http://imageshack.us/a/img834/3112/zsce.png
03:30 Menche i like minetest's physics better than minecraft
03:30 Menche climbing hills is much smoother
03:30 Tiktalik also [0gb_us], compare it to Minecraft jumping
03:30 e1z0 also i'm including some mods
03:31 e1z0 i like this project
03:31 Tiktalik Menche: it feels like you go...boingboingboingboingboing, like the instant you hit it a tiny bit you go bounding up
03:31 Menche you can't jump as far in minecraft; it feels slower
03:31 Menche and less responsive
03:31 e1z0 then i will learn the source code, i will help with fixes too
03:31 e1z0 it needs a lot of contribution, to be a stable and good game
03:31 e1z0 ;-)
03:32 Menche Tiktalik: i prefer it this way. but you can fiddle with the physics settings if you don't like it
03:32 thefamilygrog66 gotta hide in treetops to get away from BIG STEVE: http://imageshack.us/a/img194/3866/30ov.png
03:32 [0gb_us] If you compare it to our old jump mechanics, those were better, but our new ones are still fine. I forget what Minecraft jumping is like though, I only played Minecraft twice and it was years ago.
03:32 [0gb_us] *months, not years
03:32 Menche imo minecraft's physics feel less responsive and slower
03:33 Menche flying is really bad
03:33 [0gb_us] Minecraft was too laggy for me to notice any non-responsiveness.
03:33 thefamilygrog66 I'm always opening my damn inventory in minecraft whenever I wanna go faster
03:33 Menche thefamilygrog66: LOL me too
03:34 e1z0 minecraft is like the notepad opening 1TB of text file
03:34 [0gb_us] Why "e"? "Inventory doesn't start with "e".
03:34 Tiktalik In minecraft
03:34 Tiktalik You jump higher
03:34 Tiktalik But fall faster
03:34 Tiktalik Not much higher, just a little
03:34 [0gb_us] But "forward" starts with "w", so it's all good.
03:34 e1z0 lol
03:35 Menche inertia is annoying. when you're flying and going fast, it's impossible to get your player into a certain position because it keeps moving after you let off the keys
03:35 thefamilygrog66 WASD is pretty standard
03:35 Menche in MC
03:35 Tiktalik Yeah Menche, I think Minetest could use a little more walking inertia
03:35 [0gb_us] True. Inertia was being a pain in some other game I played the other day, but I forget which.
03:35 Tiktalik But creative flying...no
03:35 Tiktalik no inertia
03:36 [0gb_us] Tiktalik, Menche is saying no/little inertia is better, not more.
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03:36 Menche yeah
03:36 thefamilygrog66 can you run in minecraft?
03:36 Tiktalik yes
03:36 Menche thefamilygrog66: yeah, but it's not as good
03:36 [0gb_us] Yeah, but running mechanics are ... different to say the least.
03:36 Menche double-tap 'w' for a very minor speed increase that turns of when you hit something
03:36 thefamilygrog66 I didn't think it was as cool
03:37 thefamilygrog66 could never tell, cause my inventory kept opening
03:37 thefamilygrog66 haha
03:37 Menche been playing minetest-classic lately; the only inertia i notice was when you're using fast-move on the ground, and then it's very minimal
03:37 Menche easy to control your player
03:38 [0gb_us] My "escape" key menu kept opening, even when not touching the keyboard.
03:38 thefamilygrog66 what kinda sounds should giant Steve make?
03:39 [0gb_us] "So zetta slow!"
03:39 Menche [0gb_us], in minecraft classic?
03:39 Menche i've found that to be extremely buggy lately
03:39 [0gb_us] Menche, in current (or current a few months ago) Minecraft.
03:40 Menche also, in Minecraft my 'w' key kept sticking. usually when i was fighting a creeper.
03:40 [0gb_us] My siblings have had the "w" key issue on several occasions. They thought it was the keyboard at first, but it isn't; it's the game.
03:41 [0gb_us] They play Minecraft, I play Minetest.
03:41 kahrl i think that was a lwjgl issue that was fixed some months ago
03:41 Menche i've heard that the lwjgl library was updated since i played last, fixing that.
03:41 Tiktalik sticky keys means you need different lwjgl
03:41 Tiktalik anyway Menche: I like the way physics works
03:41 Tiktalik it just needs to go through its business
03:41 Tiktalik a little faster
03:42 Tiktalik also, sprinting in minecraft isn't that small of a speedboost...
03:42 Tiktalik even though it's not big it still breaks combat
03:42 Tiktalik because the monsters weren't retuned for it
03:43 kahrl well they added baby zombies and pigmen
03:43 Menche and decapitated heads
03:43 Tiktalik pigmen were in since alpha
03:44 Tiktalik and baby zombies were just shittily done
03:44 Tiktalik protip: nothing mojang's done lately that's combat-related is good
03:44 kahrl *baby zombie pigmen
03:44 kahrl I agree :P
03:44 Tiktalik oh
03:44 Tiktalik baby zombie pigmen? this is worse than I thought
03:44 Menche i stopped following minecraft updates a while ago
03:45 thefamilygrog66 horsies
03:45 Exio4 minecraft updates are cute
03:45 Menche a lot of new additions were getting to arbitrary for my taste
03:45 thefamilygrog66 and the locals talk now
03:45 Menche *too
03:45 Tiktalik villagers don't talk
03:45 Tiktalik they say "hmm"
03:45 Tiktalik and "hmmmm"
03:45 Exio4 now they are switching to a "minecraft:nodename" based way for blocks or w/e
03:45 thefamilygrog66 well, they make noises now
03:45 Tiktalik and "hmm" in a slightly lower voice
03:45 Tiktalik deeper that is
03:45 Menche after they switched to split textures
03:46 Tiktalik so if you go to a big village
03:46 Tiktalik hmmm
03:46 Tiktalik HMM
03:46 Tiktalik HMMM
03:46 Exio4 and there is an amplified mapgen that is actually normal with highers hills/oceans
03:46 Tiktalik was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
03:46 Menche LOL
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03:46 Exio4 *coughs*indev*coughs*proller*coughs*
03:46 Tiktalik now if only ShadowBot could do that to the villagers
03:46 thefamilygrog66 I'm pretty sure the villagers are modeled after Squidward from Spongebob
03:46 Menche ShadowBot doesn't like the sound of minecraft villages
03:46 Menche thefamilygrog66, i thought that too
03:46 thefamilygrog66 hmmmmm
03:47 thefamilygrog66 HMM
03:47 kahrl also why do they keep talking about a minetest dev?
03:47 Menche he's probably been pinged like 5 times in the last minute
03:47 Exio4 lol
03:48 Tiktalik anyway
03:48 Exio4 good night
03:48 Tiktalik minetest's physics are fine
03:48 Tiktalik but they're too slow
03:48 [0gb_us] "indev" is a map generating algorythm.
03:48 Tiktalik in how they act
03:48 Tiktalik it should be the same, but...faster
03:48 Exio4 OldCoder: > mapgen
03:48 Exio4 [0gb_us]: *
03:48 Exio4 OldCoder: sowwy :P
03:48 [0gb_us] That's what I said ....
03:49 Tiktalik and Menche, I think walking should have a tiny bit more inertia
03:49 Tiktalik but creative mode
03:49 Tiktalik no inertia
03:49 Tiktalik blasts?
03:49 Tiktalik tons of it
03:49 [0gb_us] Creative mode IS regular mode with a different menu.
03:49 Tiktalik so yes, being shot out of a cannon, or blown away by an explosion will in fact
03:49 Tiktalik make you flyyyy
03:50 Menche and you can break any node in like 0.5 seconds
03:50 Menche there's some group defined in the API to allow for explosions; not sure what it does, if anything
03:50 [0gb_us] It lets you chain explosions.
03:50 Tiktalik yeah that's one thing that annoys me about minecraft explosions
03:50 Tiktalik powerful, but NO PUSHFORCE
03:51 [0gb_us] Push force seems like more of a hassle than a good thing.
03:51 [0gb_us] You are working on something, then someone blows you up and blows you away. Lame.
03:52 Menche would be nice if flowing water had push force
03:52 Tiktalik [0gb_us]: An explosion should be able to send things flying more than 3-4 blocks.
03:52 Tiktalik and by things
03:52 Tiktalik I mean players
03:52 Tiktalik It's not like explosions are spontaneous.
03:52 Menche at least for items
03:52 Menche could automate more things, build mob traps, etc.
03:52 [0gb_us] Yes, then other players send YOU flying. I don't like that.
03:53 Tiktalik [0gb_us]: By sneaking behind you, placing a TNT block and detonating it, without you noticing?
03:53 * thefamilygrog66 is killing gigantic Steve mobs
03:53 Menche don't think that would be any worse than another player killing you and sending you back to spawn
03:53 Tiktalik If you don't notice, you'll be too dead to care
03:53 [0gb_us] The TNT block could be hidden, and it could be a trap.
03:53 OldCoder Hi
03:54 [0gb_us] Hello!
03:54 Tiktalik [0gb_us]: In which case, if you survive, you thouroughly deserve what you get, and being pushed around 10 blocks won't be anything more than an INCONVENIENCE.
03:54 Tiktalik Certainly less bothersome than cleaning up the blast crater.
03:54 kahrl minecraft explosions have no pushforce? watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LtmJernGJc at 27:40
03:54 [0gb_us] I don't think people "deserve" what trolls dish out. We shouldn't have to be on guard all the time.
03:55 Menche when i'm in MC, getting pushed around is the least of my worries when i see a creeper outside my window
03:55 [0gb_us] Explosions in general are a bad idea.
03:55 Menche i typically disable fire too
03:55 Menche adds more destruction than fun
03:55 [0gb_us] i'm going to use a less corrosive version of fire myself.
03:56 Tiktalik [0gb_us]: If you have problems with people planting traps for you, then you should play on a server where only trusted players can use tnt
03:56 thefamilygrog66 I've disabled fire, though the dungeon masters still manage to burn the crap outta things
03:56 Tiktalik also,  in minecraft, fire sucks now
03:56 Tiktalik they nerfed it, it's so slow
03:56 [0gb_us] My fire won't spread and eat whole forests. Plus, you know, land claims will block it.
03:56 Menche i remember when occasionally tree blocks would burn perpetually in MC
03:56 Menche i thought that was kinda cool really
03:56 Tiktalik [0gb_us]: In minecraft, you're lucky to get a single tree now
03:57 [0gb_us] Good.
03:57 [0gb_us] Fire destroying all your hard work is NOT my idea of "fun".
03:57 Menche in minetest you can have different gamemodes to suit different purposes. all that stuff would be great for a warfare oriented game mode.
03:58 [0gb_us] That sounds good to me. Just don't put it in all game modes.
03:58 Menche or a gamemode that focuses more on actual survival than building
03:58 Tiktalik kahrl: vertically they have lots, horizontally not lots
03:58 Menche currently there isn't much to survive in minetest. just falling and drowning.
03:58 kahrl true
03:59 [0gb_us] Drowning is too much.
03:59 kahrl have to use cannons for that
03:59 Tiktalik vertically, a lot of tnt gets you really high
03:59 Tiktalik but horizontally, almost nothing
03:59 thefamilygrog66 don't forget giants, Menche...
04:00 kahrl did they nerf it horizontally?
04:00 * Menche thinks that we're bickering about what's appropriate and what's not because minetest_game doesn't have a very definite direction/goal
04:00 Tiktalik kahrl: I'm talking about players, you can't really toss them out of a cannon well
04:00 Tiktalik I should test things, but you have to be sprintjumping in the air to get pushed much at all by a creeper
04:01 [0gb_us] I think even with a goal, we'd bicker. Plus, the blast thing seems like an engine deal. If in the game, we're all stuck with it.
04:01 Menche can always make a different game mode if it's only in lua
04:02 Menche really, im surprised there aren't more popular alternative game modes.
04:02 Tiktalik Anyway Menche, have you played Cave Story
04:02 [0gb_us] True, but with the blast issue, if it's not configurable, Lua won't help.
04:02 Menche no
04:03 [0gb_us] Menche, I'm working on one. I don't know if it will be a hit, but it will be big and have a lot of content. Many people seem to want that.
04:03 Tiktalik okay
04:03 Menche im working on one (slowly).
04:03 Tiktalik Anyway Menche: I like physics to be a bit floaty, and you to jump fairly well, but I also like them to be fast
04:03 e1z0 let's drink some beer!
04:03 e1z0 ;-)
04:04 Menche Tiktalik: you see the physics settings in the example conf file?
04:04 Menche you can tweak a lot of the physics stuff
04:05 Menche overall gravity, fall rate, acceleration rate, etc.
04:05 Tiktalik hm, ok
04:05 thefamilygrog66 I liked how fast move interacted with water back in 0.4.4 or so
04:05 Tiktalik fall rate would be what I'm looking for then Menche :)
04:05 Tiktalik i think
04:05 Tiktalik if it's how fast you get to falling?
04:05 kahrl if i was working on physics i'd try to fix the phantom collisions and make jumping up a 3 high staircase smoother
04:05 Menche thefamilygrog66: you mean how you were slowed down in water even when sprinting?
04:06 thefamilygrog66 no, after that Menche, so that you would fly out of the water
04:06 Tiktalik heh, sprinting in water should slow you down more
04:06 [0gb_us] I liked how water could break your fall. Now you need to define dedicated nodes for that ....
04:06 Menche if you don't have aux1_descends set, sprinting in water and climbable nodes like ladders is absolutely ridiculous
04:07 Menche [0gb_us]: YES. absolutely. I hate how you can take fall damage under water.
04:07 * thefamilygrog66 kept dying doing down ladders...
04:07 thefamilygrog66 *going
04:07 Menche you can climb down ladders faster than you freefall.
04:07 thefamilygrog66 craziness
04:07 Menche i think physics should be reset to the way it was before.
04:08 Menche i tried reverting the corresponding commits, with no luck.
04:08 [0gb_us] I think it should be togleable. Make it stay as it currently is by default, but allow a conf option to enable the older and better physics.
04:08 Menche a few people like the new way so there should be toggleable... [0gb_us] beat me to that
04:09 Menche although i'd prefer it to be the old way by default
04:12 [0gb_us] THere are a lot of things that should be default but aren't, so I'd be happy just to have the option.
04:12 [0gb_us] Like jungles and dungeons.
04:13 Menche i'm actually surprised they put those back in. I had almost lost hope.
04:13 [0gb_us] I had lost hope.
04:13 Menche now, the old mobs...
04:14 [0gb_us] When the jungle grass was added back ouside of jungles, I prety much though jungles would never return.
04:14 Menche the days when you had to illuminate all the caves around your house to prevent dungeon masters from spawning and blasting your house to pieces from below...
04:14 [0gb_us] The dungeon master needs to be "Nerfed".
04:14 Menche yeah. it shouldn't be able to target through solid nodes.
04:14 [0gb_us] Blasting away your house is not cool.
04:15 Menche and a switch to turn off destroying nodes at all
04:15 [0gb_us] Exactly.
04:15 [0gb_us] Maybe allow starting fires with flammable nodes as an option, but not required.
04:15 Menche i like the firearms mod, but i usually disable the section that allows explosives to destroy nodes.
04:16 Menche more options are usually fine, but we don't want a 500 MB example conf file.
04:16 [0gb_us] True enough.
04:17 * [0gb_us] 's hadr drive is only 256 MiB, it can't hold that conf file
04:17 Menche maybe a setting like "dm_fireball_damage = node, player, fire" where you can add/remove flags
04:17 Menche would cut down on the options needed for that level of flexibility
04:18 [0gb_us] Like how the map generator flags are.
04:18 Menche yeah.
04:19 [0gb_us] Did you see the commit to add a conf file interpreter for use by plugins to have their own separate conf file?
04:19 Menche no
04:19 thefamilygrog66 DM's burn water and clouds on my server - bizarre
04:19 Menche i usually just use minetest.get_setting_bool (or whatever that function is called) when i want to make something configurable in a mod.
04:19 [0gb_us] I was actually going to try something like that in Lua, but the C++ one should be faster.
04:20 Menche other mods use a settings.lua file that's loaded with dofile().
04:20 Menche i find it more convenient to have all configuration in one place though.
04:20 [0gb_us] Flammable water? That reminds me of burning lava, which is for when regular lava is not enough.
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04:21 thefamilygrog66 Yep, they burn through everything, literally
04:21 thefamilygrog66 keeps me on my toes
04:21 Menche mobf?
04:21 thefamilygrog66 simple
04:22 Menche celeron55's dungeon crawler game's dungeon masters were scary. They fired tons of fireballs rapid-fire at a *crazy* rate.
04:22 Menche iirc they were based on mobf.
04:22 [0gb_us] Yeah, I think they were.
04:22 Menche ofc they didn't always notice you, like simple mobs monsters :P
04:23 Menche when they did you got fireball-machine-gunned though.
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04:23 thefamilygrog66 crazy, the DMs in simple mobs are scary enough
04:24 * thefamilygrog66 is hitting the hay
04:24 thefamilygrog66 night folks
04:24 Menche are the oerkki monsters in any mob mods invisible in the dark like they used to be? i liked that.
04:24 [0gb_us] G'night.
04:24 Menche night
04:25 Menche added a bit of a thrill to mining in the dark.
04:26 Menche my very first post on the forums was asking about the oerkkis becoming invisible :)
04:27 [0gb_us] I think my very first post was about connecting to servers; I couldn't do it. It turns out the Ubuntu repository Minetest is WAY out of date.
04:28 Menche i forget when exactly i started playing; i know it was before ladders and apple trees were added. i remember those being new.
04:29 * Menche misses the old Kray's server
04:29 * [0gb_us] misses the old Globis world
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04:49 Miner_48er !up 75.131.40.131 30000
04:49 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131:30000 seems to be down
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05:00 e1z0 !up eofnet.lt:30000
05:00 MinetestBot e1z0: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
05:00 e1z0 !up eofnet.lt 0000
05:00 MinetestBot eofnet.lt:0 seems to be down
05:00 e1z0 !up eofnet.lt 30000
05:00 e1z0 lol
05:00 MinetestBot eofnet.lt:30000 seems to be down
05:00 [0gb_us] End of file net?
05:01 e1z0 yeah
05:01 e1z0 end of line
05:01 e1z0 lol
05:01 [0gb_us] Interesting name,
05:01 [0gb_us] .
05:01 e1z0 yeah
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05:34 MinetestBot eofnet.lt:30000 is up (213ms)
05:34 e1z0 \o/
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07:11 Rhy5 Hello hello hello hello!
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07:11 [0gb_us] Hello!
07:11 Rhy5 Hi there!
07:12 Rhy5 Oh Hi Ogb!
07:12 Rhy5 Hows it going?
07:12 [0gb_us] Pretty good. How's it going for you?
07:12 Rhy5 Fine thanks.
07:12 Rhy5 But, I can't actually believe I have started MODDING!
07:12 Rhy5 I am making a Bear Grylls Mod, Enchanting Mod, Capes Mod...
07:13 [0gb_us] Nice!
07:13 Rhy5 Capes mod is becoming most successful, thanks to Jordach.
07:13 Rhy5 Infact...
07:13 [0gb_us] Yeah, Jordach seems to like capes.
07:13 Rhy5 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7160
07:13 Rhy5 Have to go lol bye!
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08:17 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Friday the 13th and happy Programmers' Day! :-D
08:25 * Calinou hands JamesTait a {good code} ticket, redeem at your nearest Programmer
08:26 JamesTait :)
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10:20 john_minetest Hello everypony.
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11:05 jojoa1997 Hello
11:10 john_minetest hello jojoa1997
11:11 jojoa1997 Does github show how many download have been done?
11:15 e1z0 -1
11:15 jojoa1997 .?
11:19 jojoa1997 Gtg cya
11:29 * sfan5 puts Rainbow Dash on john_minetest's head
11:29 sfan5 hi everyone
11:30 * john_minetest puts Tootsie Flute on sfan5's head
11:30 * sfan5 puts Derpy Hooves on john_minetest's head
11:32 * john_minetest puts Mr. Greenhooves on sfan5's head
11:32 * sfan5 puts a kitten on john_minetest's head
11:33 * john_minetest puts a puppy on sfan5's head
11:33 * sfan5 throws a kitten at john_minetest
11:36 * john_minetest catches kitten, transforms it into grenade, counts "21, 22, 23" and throws it back to sfan5
11:37 * sfan5 puts the grenade in a .tar file and throws it at john_minetest
11:38 * john_minetest transforms the compressed grenade into compressed air and blows sfan5 away.
11:38 sfan5 :(
11:38 sfan5 you win
11:39 john_minetest You can still counter-attack.
11:39 john_minetest You could uncompress the air.
11:39 proller use hardcore_mese_tnt!!
11:41 * john_minetest writes "killall minetest"
11:41 john_minetest (Linux system, not solaris :D )
11:41 john_minetest On solaris "killall" really kills all processes.
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12:19 sfan5 !op
12:20 Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released; 0.4.8 will be released soon™ | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Task of the Day: Put ponies on john_minetest!
12:20 Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released; 0.4.8 will be released soon™ | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Task of the Day: Put ponies on john_minetest's head!
12:20 sfan5 !deop
12:23 KikaRz Task of the Day? Where is the Hamburguer of the day?
12:24 * Calinou puts a pony on john_minetest's head
12:25 * john_minetest puts a kitten on Calinou's head
12:25 john_minetest KikaRz: Sandwich of the day.
12:25 KikaRz Or that !
12:25 KikaRz TAKE THAT SANDWITCHE!
12:27 john_minetest And hamburger of the day is always: std::cout<<"A hamburger with"; while(true){std::cout<<"a hamburger on it with;}
12:27 john_minetest Now that the holidays are over, nobody wants to do game projects anymore.
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13:10 Exio4 :D
13:11 john_minetest :D
13:11 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
13:11 Exio4 PilzAdam: pony*
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13:12 STHGOM hello
13:16 STHGOM good-bye
13:16 GNADev|zRokh lol :D
13:16 STHGOM :F
13:16 STHGOM :D
13:17 * GNADev|zRokh is getting bit by flies on his leg... it hurts him a lot
13:18 PilzAdam double post: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=110280#p110280
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13:18 sfan5 !title
13:18 MinetestBot sfan5: Mods Idea Adventure Test! (Page 1) — Modding General — Minetest Forums
13:18 Exio4 chipa :D
13:19 PilzAdam I dont think this thread is appropriate for a forum where kids are arround: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=110268#p110268
13:19 GNADev|zRokh !title
13:19 sfan5 !title
13:19 MinetestBot sfan5: Forum message — Minetest Forums
13:20 GNADev|zRokh tell me why?
13:20 GNADev|zRokh Y U NO TALK TO ME?!
13:20 sfan5 PilzAdam: I agree
13:20 sfan5 !unignore GNADev|zRokh
13:20 MinetestBot sfan5: 'GNADev|zRokh' removed from ignore list.
13:20 sfan5 I don't remember putting you on the ignore list
13:20 GNADev|zRokh oh... ok, thanks
13:20 PilzAdam sfan5, have you fixed ignore? (i.e. can I use it again)
13:20 GNADev|zRokh !title
13:20 MinetestBot GNADev|zRokh: Forum message — Minetest Forums
13:20 GNADev|zRokh yay :D
13:20 sfan5 PilzAdam: dunno, try it :P
13:20 PilzAdam !ignore GNADev|zRokh
13:21 PilzAdam :-/
13:21 sfan5 :-\
13:21 GNADev|zRokh :/
13:21 PilzAdam :-<
13:21 GNADev|zRokh >:O
13:21 sfan5 :->
13:21 * Exio4 kills GNADev|zRokh in fire
13:21 * GNADev|zRokh is downloading Counter-Strike and will play it on Trisquel-Mini 6.0
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13:22 Exio4 counter strike 1.6? czero? source?
13:22 * GNADev|zRokh revives and f**ks Exio4 to death
13:22 GNADev|zRokh 1.6
13:22 GNADev|zRokh :P
13:22 GNADev|zRokh how do you like them ballz?
13:22 sfan5 eh
13:22 GNADev|zRokh Exio4, know what my favourite cartoon is?
13:22 GNADev|zRokh Dragon Balls
13:22 GNADev|zRokh :P
13:23 Exio4 the fuck
13:23 GNADev|zRokh Exio4, Y U NO LIKE DRAGON BALLS?
13:24 pitriss somebody will be banned here soon I guess..
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13:24 GNADev|zRokh why?
13:24 GNADev|zRokh what did i do wrong?
13:25 GNADev|zRokh wasnt there a cartoon called Dragon Balls?
13:25 PilzAdam GNADev|zRokh, you pretty much violate every rule for this channel
13:25 GNADev|zRokh really?
13:25 GNADev|zRokh RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels
13:25 GNADev|zRokh :P
13:26 pitriss GNADev|zRokh: I don't think that spam is "respecting" others..
13:26 PilzAdam you are neither patient nor do you respect others
13:26 Exio4 fuck you PilzAdam
13:26 Exio4 is that right?
13:26 GNADev|zRokh what?
13:27 * GNADev|zRokh is installing Counter-Strike :P
13:27 PilzAdam also you are constantly offtopic
13:28 PilzAdam offtopic is allowed in this channel, but not too much and not if you are the only one being offtopic
13:28 GNADev|zRokh no, im just using IRC@Freenode#minetest as another Twitter :D
13:28 PilzAdam oh
13:28 PilzAdam in this case...
13:28 GNADev|zRokh ijk
13:28 PilzAdam !op
13:28 GNADev|zRokh was kicked by PilzAdam: GNADev|zRokh
13:28 PilzAdam !deop
13:30 pitriss nice shot:)
13:32 sfan5 "*!*@*.elisa.ee" ban a whole ISP for one person ✔
13:32 PilzAdam xchat did that :-/
13:33 Calinou happened to me once
13:33 Calinou but only for a few days
13:33 PilzAdam !op
13:34 PilzAdam !deop
13:35 Exio4 use a proper irc client with proper scripts
13:35 * Exio4 installs weechat with chanop.py on PilzAdam's kubuntu
13:35 KikaRz lol
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13:42 john_minetest is weechat CLI?
13:43 Exio4 yes
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13:47 NekoGloop soon(tm)
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14:02 pgrytdal Hello
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14:06 PilzAdam hello pgrytdal
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14:08 jojoa1997 Hi
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14:27 Exio4 PilzAdam: weechat 0.4.2-rc1 :P
14:27 Exio4 my client
14:31 PilzAdam Exio4, thats the slowest CTCP response I have ever seen :-p
14:38 john_minetest Lol, ctcp time doesn't work
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14:48 sfan5 random video of the sky tower on redcrab's server: http://youtu.be/ehyS2dLpbbU
14:53 yyamiyyugi good luck trying to build that on minecraft XD
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14:58 VanessaE 9km high?  O.O
14:59 john_minetest did redcrab re-appear?
15:00 VanessaE nope, guess not
15:00 john_minetest Hey, we could write to famous Let's players all at the same time and recommend them minetest. The player count could go up rapidly.
15:01 john_minetest Still banned on #minecraft
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15:02 yyamiyyugi I get that people need to play, i just wouldn't want to see this community turn into what minecraft calls a community, so far the community is pretty good here as far as i have seen
15:03 yyamiyyugi lol, i'm not banned from #minecraft, but I am from all the bukkit channels
15:03 VanessaE well if y'all would stop trolling them :P
15:04 yyamiyyugi well, I wasn't trolling :p
15:04 Calinou bukkit channels may disallow webchat/mibbit
15:04 yyamiyyugi they called me a theif and i didn't take too kindly to that
15:04 yyamiyyugi so i got mad, they got mad, i got banned
15:05 * NekoGloop curls up in VanessaE's lap
15:05 * Calinou pets NekoGloop
15:05 Calinou ninja'd
15:05 * NekoGloop purrs :3
15:05 Calinou yyamiyyugi: ignore the trolls
15:06 yyamiyyugi lol, if only it were the trolls, it was a developer :p
15:06 NekoGloop Dinnerbone? :P
15:06 Exio4 PilzAdam, john_minetest, ctcps are blocked there :P
15:07 john_minetest I think I am not even banned anymore, it is the "minetest" in my registered nick.
15:07 yyamiyyugi no, mbaxter
15:07 NekoGloop Yeah, I'm pretty sure they have a ban on *minetest*@*
15:08 VanessaE heh
15:08 VanessaE cute
15:08 sfan5 NekoGloop: they do
15:08 NekoGloop They also have me banned.
15:08 yyamiyyugi lol
15:09 yyamiyyugi y tey ban!?!?!?
15:09 VanessaE ask Calinou  :P
15:09 NekoGloop because a guy called "Dinnerbone" is in charge.
15:09 yyamiyyugi lol
15:09 NekoGloop not only is he making minecraft into a piece of shit, but he's reserving his own little hellhole in the IRC channel.
15:09 yyamiyyugi i don't think i have ever been on #minecraft
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15:10 nore hi all
15:11 Miner_48er hi
15:11 john_minetest Worse channel on IRC is #gamedev on freenode.
15:12 john_minetest Moderator ends every discussion with "fuck you" or "shut up". When the discussion goes on, people are banned...
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15:13 NekoGloop Sounds like PA if he spoke his mind
15:14 sfan5 <MinetestBot> GIT: pilcrowjesus@gmail.com commited [...]
15:14 sfan5 plol
15:15 VanessaE well he contributed the change after all
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15:25 * Jordach wonders when capes gets merged
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15:26 Peacock capes? very gay, tape miss Brahms! (http://goo.gl/NMa3Ux)
15:28 Jordach lol
15:29 Peacock all  that's missing to be superman is a mod  to wear your underwear above the pants :P
15:29 * Jordach has A3 paper
15:30 Peacock A3? why y no A1?!
15:33 NekoGloop So, PilzAdam, are you going to actually help me fix glooptest causing this supposed "worldgen slowdown," or just sit there bitching at me?
15:34 Peacock i guess i missed the bitching part :P
15:35 Peacock ianno it took me 3 hours to get this son-of-a-bitch new flow router to work in 6D http://s12.postimg.org/oebc8n​q8t/screenshot_401896895.png
15:35 VanessaE bbl
15:35 NekoGloop Whenever glooptest is brought up while he's around, he sees it fit to bitch at me that my treasure chest spawning code is slow.
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15:36 Peacock does it use ongen?
15:37 NekoGloop https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/blo​b/master/glooptest/othergen_module/init.lua
15:38 Peacock im guessing the code in question is... treasure_chest_populate?
15:38 NekoGloop No, that puts the shit in the chests
15:38 NekoGloop you're looking for the minetest.register_on_generated
15:39 Peacock jesus you use alot of math.randoms
15:39 Peacock in any case, have you compared ongen with using a simpler abm?
15:39 NekoGloop :P
15:40 NekoGloop with an abm, I'd have to log every mapblock that it's been attempted on
15:40 Peacock wait, these things generate underground?
15:41 NekoGloop and above ground
15:41 Peacock well with abm's theres the ancient flower method: you look for other chests within a radius and dont proceed if you find one
15:41 NekoGloop Rank 1/2 are above ground, Rank 3/4/5 are underground
15:41 NekoGloop That would be even slower, would it not?
15:41 Peacock well thats why i said compare, can't garantee that it is or it isn't
15:42 NekoGloop And, can you actually try it? It doesn't cause any slowdown for me. I have a feeling Pilz is just fucking with me.
15:42 Peacock well it depends how many mods pilz is running that uses ongen as well
15:42 NekoGloop default
15:43 Peacock well i run a very old default so im not sure my test results would be any use
15:44 NekoGloop just compare it to your normal speed >.>
15:46 NekoGloop i'm more concerned with the difference than the speed
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15:46 Peacock what is #coords.x   (the # for?)
15:46 NekoGloop number of entries
15:47 Peacock ah shit i forgot about that lol
15:47 Peacock whats the difference between minetest.place/add/set_node? lol
15:47 NekoGloop set is add
15:47 NekoGloop and place acts like a player
15:48 Peacock i suppose theres a reason for having 3 different methods lol
15:48 Peacock (in the api i mean)
15:48 NekoGloop no
15:48 NekoGloop set = add
15:48 NekoGloop place acts like a player
15:48 Peacock for i = minp.x,maxp.x do
15:49 Peacock table.insert(coords.x, i)
15:49 Peacock end
15:49 Peacock i think this might be the culprint
15:49 Peacock how big is the table?
15:49 NekoGloop as big as the mapblock
15:50 Peacock so 3 tables of 16 entries?
15:50 NekoGloop or so
15:51 Peacock well the only other part that might be slow is the randoms()
15:52 Peacock or the get nodes
15:52 Peacock if youre doing it on every node in the mapblock, that 16^3 get nodes
15:52 Peacock for every mapblock generated
15:52 NekoGloop give me a better way to do it then
15:53 Peacock not sure i could help coming up with a better use of ongen, i think it's slow as fuck
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15:54 Peacock but if you want to generate stuff on the surface, id suggest  just running an abm on grass/sand/etc and checking for air above, at least that way your doing it on 1 in 20 or 30 nodes (chance) instead of every node of the mapblock
15:55 Peacock as for the underground portion, use the oregen code
15:55 Peacock and populate the chests only when they are opened for the first time
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16:03 NekoGloop they aren't ores though
16:03 NekoGloop they spawn in caves
16:04 e1z0 how to make invunerable man ?
16:04 e1z0 what command ?
16:05 Calinou none
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16:34 ImQ009 I KNEW! I knew I forgot about something from my autojoin list
16:35 Calinou ~obit ImQ009
16:35 ImQ009 Calinou, Stop leaking other channels into here
16:36 * Calinou puts a pony on ImQ009's head
16:36 * ImQ009 ignores the pony
16:48 Jordach hello ImQ009
16:48 ImQ009 Hello, fellow other-channel-er
16:50 * john_minetest puts a Calinou on pony's head
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17:03 smoke_fumus i'm gonna repost this, just to support my friend http://steamcommunity.com/shared​files/filedetails/?id=151680542 < guy making topdown roguelike survival, something between minecraft and df adventurer mode set on a procedurially generated island.
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17:28 Peacock damn gov't sent us a tax bill that was high enough to precipitate an anxiety attack lol - its ok though, turns out they owe us 3x the amount
17:36 Jordach \o/ \O/
17:37 Peacock they fucked up on our marital status and counted us as singles lol
17:37 Jordach Minetest on Steam *oh shit*
17:37 Peacock on steam?
17:37 Jordach that'll happen one day
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17:37 Peacock does the GPL allow it?
17:37 Jordach as now we have the mod installer, it's VERY possible
17:38 Jordach Peacock, LGPL remember
17:38 Peacock well what does the mod installer have to do with minetest on steam?
17:38 Peacock and are you sure it won't attract more griefers than anything else? :P
17:40 NekoGloop isn't that what every new user is at this point
17:40 Peacock i just figured out that not only do BRs grief, but theyre the ones lagging the hell out of my server
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17:43 Peacock sucks but i had to remove interact from default privs to deal with them :(
17:44 Jordach the brazilians
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17:45 Jordach someone from BR took out my vps iirc
17:47 Peacock how did they do that?
17:49 pgrytdal I have a problem. Whenever I launch Minetest in Manjaro (Either installed form the Manjaro repos or the Arch repos), Manjaro logs me out.
17:52 Jordach Peacock, they managed to work out the root pass
17:52 Peacock jesus
17:52 Jordach you're forgetting most people in BR are criminals
17:52 Peacock well theyre forcing me to use ip range blocking for the first time, 419 entries to block one country lol
17:52 Jordach get fucked BR. -Mauvebic
17:53 Peacock seriously, i havent had 1 single BR that built anything lol
17:53 Peacock they either grief or fly when they shouldn't be able to
17:53 Peacock while lagging out everyone else
17:54 * Jordach doesnt trust brunob.santos
17:56 Peacock i somehow get the feeling he's looking for a way to hack his client, rather than prevent it XD
17:57 PilzAdam seems legit: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=110327#p110327
17:57 Jordach try again
17:58 PilzAdam you should have moved to "other languages"...
17:58 Peacock link nroken "{
17:58 Peacock *link broken :P
17:58 Jordach donesies.
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18:02 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4HkAM8g7kA
18:03 Peacock uhuhuhuhuh, rap
18:04 Peacock is crap with a silent c
18:04 jin_xi a real g is silent like lasagna
18:05 Peacock this rap culture BS has even made it's way to canada where every other weekend innocent kids get caught in the crossfire between gangbangers
18:05 Peacock though mostly in Toronto
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18:11 Jordach do they say "sorry" when shooting each other
18:12 Peacock naw, theyre not regular black people (born here) theyre haitians and somalians
18:12 Peacock i still dont get why people wish to leave a shitty country to make their destination as shitty
18:16 Peacock in the span of 15 years in TO and Montreal ive gone from leftwing/socialist to rightwing/libertarian lol
18:16 jojoa1997 Because they could have problems in their old place
18:17 jin_xi Peacock: i suspect its more like beeing frustrated and nursing bad thought patterns with alcool while being delusional about wisdom
18:17 Peacock theres something to be frustrated about, Toronto and Montreal used to be decent places to live
18:18 Peacock even the cops are more agressive now because they put up with this shit daily
18:18 * jojoa1997 wonders when kaeza is on
18:18 Peacock and since profiling isn't PC they treat everyone like potential criminals
18:19 Peacock and i dont really see where drinking comes into it, rightwingers drink, leftwingers get high, so wheres the difference?
18:24 Peacock it always amuses me though how young people with very few burdens complain about the habits of those that do have
18:24 jin_xi drinkers often get suspicious of everything and often also think they figured out/speak the truth
18:25 Calinou some people do neither
18:27 Peacock but somehow your wisdom is infallible...
18:27 Peacock what do you blame when you're wrong?
18:28 jin_xi wikipedia
18:28 Peacock lol the people who edit articles usually have a vested interest in the subject at hand
18:29 Peacock so i wouldn't bank entirely on that alone
18:29 Peacock and if you knew jack about acohol or drugs you'd know it has different effects on different people
18:31 Peacock they give synthetic cocaine to ADHD cases because it actually calmes them down, and thats just one example
18:31 Peacock normal people who take those medications feel like they're on speed
18:32 jin_xi so lets rant about drugged up students studying way to hard
18:33 Peacock well you brought alcohol into this, not me
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18:35 jin_xi you often mention your drinking, thats why... im mostly just annoyed with too much offtopic stuff
18:36 Peacock when people are ontopic i stay ontopic, if nothing's going on here then we talk about whatever, that's how it's always been, and no one's forcing you to participate in the offtopic stuff
18:36 jin_xi i know and usually dont bother
18:37 * ShadowNinja notices [0gb_us]'s cloak.
18:37 Peacock and there's always -dev which is strictly ontopic
18:39 [0gb_us] Yeah. I wasn't going to ask for one, but because of what this one is, I did. But then they put a dash in my name in my cloak. I think "0gb-us" is a separate and valid name on IRC, so what if 0gb-us wants this cloak? I can only hope such a name never ends up in use.
18:39 * Jordach too
18:40 [0gb_us] Oh, and go FSF!
18:40 * Jordach doesn't like the iPhone 5S
18:41 Peacock whats wrong with the 5S?
18:41 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: It won't, nicks starting with numbers are reserved for EUIDs.
18:41 ShadowNinja And those are always in the form 0AAAAAAA.
18:41 [0gb_us] Oops, I meant "us-0gb".
18:41 Jordach Peacock, fingerprint scanners
18:42 * Jordach wonders where that data goes
18:42 Jordach !g banned iPhone 5S ad
18:42 MinetestBot Jordach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sIWez9HAbA
18:42 [0gb_us] So someone could register as "us-0gb", and I'd be whearing his/her cloak.
18:42 Jordach !g "banned iPhone 5S promo"
18:42 MinetestBot Jordach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzG4BcaK064
18:42 Jordach Peacock, ^
18:43 Peacock meh, my cell contract ends in a few months, after that im getting a dumbphone :P
18:43 Jordach y u no blackberry
18:43 Peacock theyre shit lol
18:43 Jordach Peacock, canadian, i thought you'd love to support the local economy
18:43 [0gb_us] I'll stick with landlines, myself.
18:43 Peacock whether its a blackberry, iphone or android device, it's all made in china
18:45 Peacock and blackberries are to smartphones what palmpilots are to tablets :P
18:46 Jordach they do the same job without "app" bs
18:46 Jordach modern iPod (classics) even have pojntless apps
18:46 Peacock well a dumbphone can take calls and do text msgs, and without a complicated OS on top, so longer battery life
18:46 * Jordach uses an iPod for music, not games
18:47 * [0gb_us] uses his laptop for music and games
18:47 Jordach and it's not the next best thing™
18:47 Peacock i dont really care if my phone can check my emails and wipe my ass for me, so long as i can carry it around without a charger lol
18:47 Jordach [0gb_us], i don't mind laptops for that purpose
18:48 [0gb_us] My laptop handles all my tech needs besides server hosting and phone calls./
18:49 * Jordach doesn't like laptops
18:49 Exio4 laptops are k
18:49 Exio4 desktops > laptops though
18:49 [0gb_us] Jordach, that promo is ... a little scary. I don't want someone cutting off my thumb.
18:50 Jordach if that fan sucks in anything that fits through the grating, it will possibly overheat the laptop and might start fires
18:50 * Jordach has had that
18:50 [0gb_us] Desktops hurt my wrists to use and are far less portable. Though laptops do have disadvantages as well as advantages.
18:51 Jordach really, hurt your wrists, man, by the amount i use my tower i'm surpised i don't have RSI
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18:51 Jordach hey Uberi
18:51 Exio4 you can't have watercooling with a laptop can you?
18:51 Jordach having a nice hail storm
18:51 Exio4 inb4 portable pump
18:52 Uberi Jordach: today was 11 degrees
18:52 Jordach oh
18:52 Uberi I don't understand this weather
18:52 Jordach but jesus; i'd head inside if they came down again
18:53 Uberi hail out of the blue on a 33 degree day
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18:53 Jordach yay for celscius
18:53 * Jordach doesn't like farenheit
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18:54 [0gb_us] Indeed. Stupid United Statsians using their own measurement system. Why not use the world standard?
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18:54 * Jordach suggests kelvin
18:54 * Uberi suggests rankine
18:54 [0gb_us] Kelven isn't the world standard though.
18:54 [0gb_us] Neither is Rankine.
18:55 * Uberi suggests newton-fathom-horsepower
18:55 * Jordach changes internal reactor core
18:55 Jordach it's old (i change that thing monthly)
18:56 Jordach i'm essentially battery powered :P
18:56 us-0gb I was right. This account isn't treated the same by IRC as us_0gb. So my cloak is wrong about who I am. My cloak makes me an imposter!
18:56 Jordach \o/
18:56 [0gb_us] (us_0gb is my real account.)
18:57 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: Normally they add /x-123456 After your cloak if you have chars like - that arean't supported in cloaks.
18:58 [0gb_us] Oh .... So underscores are not supported in cloaks but dashes are?
18:58 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:58 [0gb_us] Hello!
18:59 * Jordach picks NekoGloop up and pets him
18:59 [0gb_us] I feel like less of an impostor in that case then, ShadowNinja.
18:59 * NekoGloop flails around >w<
18:59 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:59 Jordach who's our little kitty :3
19:00 ShadowNinja Yes.
19:00 NekoGloop me? :3
19:04 * NekoGloop continues flailing around helplessly >w<
19:05 * john_minetest gives <*(((< to NekoGloop
19:05 * [0gb_us] dangles a string a little ways away, just out of reach, and jiggles it
19:05 Peacock this cat stuff is getting creepy :P
19:05 * NekoGloop noms the fishy
19:05 * NekoGloop tries batting at the string
19:05 Peacock even my cat can be creepy - everytime i shower or use the can, she comes in, sits and stares XD
19:06 [0gb_us] Draw the curtain if you don't want your cat to see you.
19:06 Peacock its a semi transparent shower curtain lol
19:07 [0gb_us] Hmm. Well, I don't care if my cat sees me. She's just a cat.
19:07 Peacock she's also an excellent alarm clock - every morning around 8 she hops into bed and licks our faces until we wake up
19:08 [0gb_us] Aw. I wish mine did that. But no, I have to use an alarm application on my laptop.
19:08 Peacock im bad with actual alarm clocks - tend to get up, turn it off, and not remember doing it lol
19:11 Peacock the only solution was to get one of those complicated alarm apps that makes you answer math to turn it off lol
19:11 [0gb_us] Ha ha, nice. I've never heard of those.
19:12 Peacock i think it was an adroid app, tho i might be wrong
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19:13 john_minetest I once put my alarm clock 5 meters away from my bed. I stood up, went to the alarm clock, hit the snooze button and returned to bed. Then I continued sleeping.
19:14 john_minetest No matter where I put my alarm clock, I can always hit the snooze button and fall asleep in seconds.
19:14 [0gb_us] I've never used an Android. If i were to get a smart phone, I think I'd want this $800 USD one I saw. But of course, I don't have that kind of money.
19:14 [0gb_us] john_minetest, that's what the math is for.
19:14 Calinou $800 on a phone?
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19:14 john_minetest I think I will get an OlinuXino board and a screen and a speaker and make a math app myself.
19:15 * NekoGloop continues flailing around in Jordach's hands
19:15 Peacock hitting the snooze isn't nearly as bad as working nights and falling asleep on the bus ride home - woke up downtown quite a few times lol
19:15 LinuxGuy2020 Ok so creative mode. This is for allowing you to spawn blocks or something to build a world without collecting resources?
19:16 Peacock yes
19:16 Calinou it allows you to get _most_ blocks from inventory
19:16 Calinou unlimited
19:16 Calinou typically, flying and moving fast is also allowed but depends on server
19:16 LinuxGuy2020 Is there a wiki page for how to do that?
19:16 [0gb_us] The phone is as powerful as a desktop computer. And if you plug in a keyboard and mouse, it acts like one. It tri-boots Ubuntu Descktop, Ubuntu Touch, and Android. Not to mention that it has a screen so hard only diamonds and harder than diamond things can scratch it.
19:16 john_minetest Peacock: I hate falling asleep in bus or airplane or train. I am afraid that I could sleep and miss my destination.
19:16 Peacock unlimited nodes! http://goo.gl/talDu0
19:17 Peacock john this one time i fell asleep, i did the whole "trajet" (english?) twice before being woken lol
19:17 Calinou trajet = trip?
19:18 Calinou [0gb_us]: ubuntu edge is dead
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19:18 Calinou also, marketing
19:18 Calinou "Not to mention that it has a screen so hard only diamonds and harder than diamond things can scratch it."
19:18 Calinou will never happen
19:18 [0gb_us] Oh, dead? Too bad. Awesome phone.
19:18 Peacock yeah trip/route
19:18 Uberi sapphire is still quite  vulnerable to shattering, unfortunately
19:18 Peacock twice the round trip lol
19:18 Calinou and also very expensive
19:19 [0gb_us] That's the first cell phone I ever actually wanted. Normally I find them to be a nuisance.
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19:24 [0gb_us] Still, a device as powerful as a desktop computer but as portable as a hand-held device? You can't blame me for drooling over it.
19:25 Exio4 [15:57:36] <ShadowNinja> [0gb_us]: Normally they add /x-123456 After your cloak if you have chars like - that arean't supported in cloaks.
19:25 Calinou not as powerful at all
19:25 Calinou ARM is focusing on power saving, it won't be as powerful as a low end desktop CPU for years
19:25 Exio4 aren't supported = non-dns chars
19:25 Exio4 like /
19:25 Exio4 Calinou: it will be
19:26 ShadowNinja Exio4: I know.
19:26 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:26 Calinou not in the next years, if you compare of the low end desktop CPUs of the next years
19:26 Calinou I mean in heavy use
19:26 Calinou eg. compiling
19:27 [0gb_us] I asked for fsf/member/0gb.us, which would be supported. But I guess since I can't have a dot in my IRc name, they wouldn't give me a dot in my cloak name. Not that it really matters, but just saying.
19:27 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:27 Calinou lol, FSF member
19:27 [0gb_us] In what way is that funny? I don't get it.
19:29 proller Calinou, arm already usable as desktop
19:29 Calinou yes and no
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19:32 STHGOM Morrolan: was i talking to you a couple days ago about changing the players tag, and then you said you were interested?
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19:33 Jordach proller, ARM sucks for Blender use
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19:33 Jordach (no OpenCL, no accelerated 3D)
19:33 Peacock Peacock.beer() Peacock.start_tinfoil_hat_mode() end :P
19:34 Jordach Jordach.insert_new_reactor_core() Jordach.reactor_power_test(full)
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19:34 [0gb_us] "full"
19:34 Jordach full takes 1-4 hours
19:35 Jordach minimal is 20 mins
19:35 Peacock lets hope jordach doesn't pull a fukushima :P
19:36 Jordach Peacock, if it fails, i dump 7 boron rods straight in there (one through the middle) and hexagonal outside
19:37 Peacock ugh, gotta fix the towel rack, who installs a towel rack without anchors? lol
19:37 [0gb_us] People with no construction skills.
19:38 Peacock doesn't explain the popularity of ikea and DIY lol
19:39 Peacock stove hut is falling off too, they only put 2 of the 6 screws required lol
19:39 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: Isn't this a internal-only setting? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/768
19:40 Peacock github is slow today
19:40 Peacock is it slow for anyone else?
19:41 [0gb_us] Won't load. Did I put the setting in the wrong section of the doc, or is it something else?
19:41 ShadowNinja Just stopped for me too. *waits for status.github.com to update...*
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19:42 [0gb_us] If you want to pull to the correct part of the doc, I'll take mine down.
19:42 ShadowNinja Internal Server Error <-- Well that wasn't the update I was waiting for...
19:42 Peacock mine got stuck on fastfly.net whatever github pulls from there
19:43 [0gb_us] Is there someone here who's fluent in Minetest's C++ and wouldn't mind helping a novice figure out what src/mapblock.cpp does and why it is hardcoded to use three nodes from default?
19:43 Peacock good luck, id need a flowchart to figure how each of the files relate to eachother lol
19:44 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: I beleive drawtypes are managed in there...
19:45 [0gb_us] I came accross the issue last night, when I was greping to see if there were any mapgen aliases I didn't know about. It turned out I missed three, and two don't even have the "mapgen_" prefix.
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19:45 proller Jordach, its blender sucks ;) but arm now not for high-cpu-use tasks
19:45 [0gb_us] So three default nodes have hacks to manage their drawtypes?
19:46 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: What nodes?
19:47 ShadowNinja Ah, found them...
19:48 [0gb_us] default:stone, default:stone_with_iron, and default:stone_with_coal. It sort of looks like an ore-placing deal, but I'm fairly certain they took that out of C++.
19:48 Menche migrating my server's map to leveldb is going to take 100 mins at its current rate.
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19:48 Menche what kind of hacks? aren't those just normal node drawtypes?
19:49 [0gb_us] Menche, I see. Big map?
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19:49 [0gb_us] I don't know what the code does, so I'm not sure.
19:49 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: It looks like it is for loading legacy MapBlocks that stored the ore(if any) in the param1 of stone.
19:49 [0gb_us] All I know is that those nodes are requested by name, not alias, in C++.
19:50 Menche lets see, map is 1.5G in sqlite3
19:50 Menche not the biggest ever
19:50 [0gb_us] Storing ore in the param1? Okay, thank you very much, ShadowNinja!
19:50 jojoa1997 Hi
19:50 [0gb_us] Hello!
19:51 [0gb_us] I'll just ignore that section of the code then. It sounds like legacy support.
19:51 ShadowNinja Yep, legacy support code.
19:51 Peacock i think i still have the legacy mod lol
19:51 * ShadowNinja is at 1.2G now...
19:52 ShadowNinja Peacock: Legacy mod?
19:52 Menche still migrating at about 1% a minute
19:52 * Menche goes to get lunch while it converts
19:53 [0gb_us] It's in the default game. It's called "legacy" or something.
19:53 [0gb_us] It handles the rat and such.
19:53 ShadowNinja Ah.
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19:56 Peacock dunno, it's just called 'legacy'
19:56 Peacock ah, roughly 60 aliases
19:57 Peacock (just looked at it)
19:57 Peacock i think it was probably written for the transition to lua default mod
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20:03 LinuxGuy2020 Is the server config file the same as the one used in single player if not specified?
20:04 [0gb_us] Yeah, it is.
20:04 [0gb_us] Which is why you should specify it.
20:04 LinuxGuy2020 Ok
20:04 LinuxGuy2020 Well its a dedicated home server so I just wanted to add creative mode to it.
20:05 [0gb_us] I've had my server accedentally go into creative mode after having tested some new nodes in creative mode single player several times before I started specifying a separate conf.
20:05 [0gb_us] Oh, okay, got it.
20:05 [0gb_us] Yeah, just edit the main minetest.conf file and restart. That should work.
20:07 LinuxGuy2020 Hmm I dont see there yet. Whats the easiest way to get a default conf file?
20:08 LinuxGuy2020 Copy one over from a client machine to start with?
20:08 [0gb_us] I don't know, but if you want the default settings plus creative mode, make a blank one and add "creative_mode = true" or whatever the creative mode line is.
20:08 [0gb_us] The rest will be all the defaults.
20:09 LinuxGuy2020 Oh ok cool thanks
20:09 [0gb_us] Yeah, no problem.
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20:15 ShadowNinja Sokomine: It seems travelnets and elevators aren't really deleted. I have a bunch of ["xxx,zzz"] = {  } and ["test"] = { } in my travelnet file.
20:15 LinuxGuy2020 free_move = true (Does that enable flying?)
20:16 [0gb_us] It enables flying for the local player if and only if they have the fly privilege. It's a client setting.
20:16 LinuxGuy2020 ok
20:16 LinuxGuy2020 Whats the server equivalent for flying enabled?
20:16 ShadowNinja LinuxGuy2020: Grant everyone 'fly'. (default_privs or so)
20:17 LinuxGuy2020 Gotcha
20:17 [0gb_us] default_privs = fly, shout, interact
20:17 [0gb_us] But that only effects NEW accounts. You'll need to update old accounts, possibly manually.
20:17 [0gb_us] You could write code for it if you prefer.
20:17 LinuxGuy2020 ok cool
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20:19 jojoa1997 [0gb_us} yuor server fixed?
20:20 [0gb_us] Fixed as in not slow? No, it's still slow. Fixed as in something else? How is it broken?
20:21 jojoa1997 slowness
20:22 [0gb_us] Yeah, still slow.
20:22 Menche map migration 36% completed...
20:24 * jojoa1997 done with overcraft armor textures
20:24 [0gb_us] I just finished my dirt texture. I must say, it's not as good as the default dirt, but it's not as bad as I had feared it would be.
20:25 Menche if my singleplayer world converted completely, the leveldb map is quite a bit smaller than sqlite3
20:25 john_minetest Happy Progammer's Day!!!
20:26 Menche map.db = 8.4M, map.sqlite = 17M
20:27 [0gb_us] Nice!
20:27 [0gb_us] I wish I could use that for my world. It seems LevelDB isn't for PowerPC.
20:28 Menche powerpc? you're running it on an old mac?
20:29 Peacock menche dont tell that to PA, he doesn't seem to like leveldb :P
20:29 Menche why not?
20:29 Peacock i have no idea lol but he got irate when i and another mentioned it was faster
20:29 PilzAdam Menche, thx for highlighting me :-p
20:29 Menche me?
20:30 PilzAdam eh, Peacock
20:30 Peacock but i wrote PA so you wouldn't be pinged :/
20:30 PilzAdam hehe
20:30 Peacock does irc have aliases too?
20:30 Peacock well sorry to ping you, i dont wanna start up a debate over leveldv :P
20:31 Peacock *leveldb
20:31 Peacock from now on ill say pulseaudio :P
20:31 Menche PA stop breaking everyone's sound configuration!
20:32 Peacock was it ogb or nekogloop that talked with me about leveldb yesterday?
20:33 jojoa1997 player:get_inventory():set_stack("main", j, "compass:"..compass_image)
20:33 jojoa1997 what does the j mean
20:33 Peacock j-dawg :P
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20:37 Menche my server map apparently has roughly 2 million blocks
20:37 Peacock small map?
20:37 [0gb_us] Menche, yes, the hardware is an old Mac. The software is Ubuntu.
20:37 [0gb_us] Ubuntu Server, not Desktop.
20:38 Menche looks like there may be a leveldb build in debian sid
20:38 Menche powerpc that is
20:38 [0gb_us] Debian doesn't like the machine though.
20:39 [0gb_us] On Debian, the wired Ethernet connection keeps going out.
20:39 STHGOM bye
20:39 [0gb_us] Bye.
20:39 Peacock really? me its wireless that doesn't work with network-manager lol
20:39 [0gb_us] Debian also doesn't like my laptop's Ethernet or my Laptop's graphics card.
20:40 [0gb_us] But the PowerPC server is wired.
20:40 Peacock debian also doesn't like the collada plugin XD
20:40 Peacock *crosses fingers for a libre-free-debian*
20:40 Menche could probably install debian packages on ubuntu. they both use dpkg, after all.
20:41 Peacock thats a debian free of the fake freedom loving crowd lol
20:41 Menche isn't debian libre by default?
20:41 [0gb_us] Yes, they do. I might look into that when time allows.
20:41 Peacock debian is FSF free, trisquel is libre
20:41 Menche thought that all nonfree packages in debian were moved to repos that aren't enabled by default.
20:42 Menche and the FSF still isn't satisfied :P
20:42 [0gb_us] I want Trisquel, but it feels similarly about my hardware as Debian, but more extreme.
20:42 Peacock any sane OS would leave it all in and let the user decide (isn't it supposed to be about the user's freedom)
20:42 Menche isn't trisquel ubu based?
20:42 [0gb_us] The problem is having the non-free repos at all.
20:42 [0gb_us] It is, yes.
20:43 Peacock open source devs write software, the libre crowd disables parts of it, pretty much how it goes lol
20:43 [0gb_us] Oddly enough, the FSF created Debian, yet Debian doesn't continue to fill their needs.
20:43 Peacock no wonder there's a split in the movement
20:44 [0gb_us] The "open source" crowd isn't making the whole thing free. That's not the libre crowd's fault.
20:44 [0gb_us] Free as in freedom, not price.
20:44 Menche apparently the FSF's problem with debian is that "people can readily learn about [the nonfree repos]" and "the repository is hosted on many of the project's main servers".
20:44 Peacock open source is a reasonable approach, libre isn't (imo)
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20:45 [0gb_us] Yes. It's the non-free repos that are the issue.
20:45 Menche can't even offer the alternative of proprietary software if you want the FSF to like you.
20:45 [0gb_us] Non-free yet official debian repos.
20:45 Peacock open source can do alot of awesome things, but it can't do *everything* as good as prop.
20:45 Peacock well the FSF and RMS are more or less irrelevant, they dont write much code, they just generate hot air
20:46 Peacock and with greenhouse gases being a major issue, something should be done about them XD :P
20:46 [0gb_us] It could if more people were on board. Free is inherently more powerful. It allows us to build off the past and not re-invent the wheel fifty times.
20:46 Peacock depends how you see freedom
20:46 Peacock for libre, its freedom from prop. software
20:46 Peacock for opensource, its the freedom to choose the best tool for the job
20:47 Peacock i usually go with the one that doesn't limit my options
20:47 [0gb_us] If proprietary people invent something, the next proprietary people must reinvent the same thing if they want to have it. Not so with free code.
20:47 Menche not all the time with free code.
20:48 [0gb_us] If free code can't be reused, it's not really free code at all.
20:48 Peacock well you can't live in a purely libre world, many of the professional devs who give their time to opensource wouldn't be devs in such a world
20:48 Menche for example, the linux kernel doesn't have zfs support because of some clash between the GPL and zfs' s licence iirc
20:48 Menche both are some kind of open source
20:49 [0gb_us] If ZFS is non-free, it's ZFS's issue. Open source does not always involve freedom. There is a difference.
20:49 Peacock all in all, OSS/FS used to be quite reasonable until RMS rewrote the GPL so it came to be described as the "GPL virus"
20:49 [0gb_us] I'll have to look into that.
20:49 * jojoa1997 testing the ability to have 2 types of hands at once
20:50 Menche the GPL would be a great license if everyone used it. Not everyone does, so it causes licensing problems.
20:51 Menche s/great/better/
20:51 [0gb_us] That's the problem: people want to use proprietary licenses.
20:51 Peacock companies that need to make money can't use it :P
20:51 Menche i prefer the MIT/X license
20:51 Menche Peacock, you can technically sell GPL code
20:51 Peacock not everyone can squat at MIT like RMS does
20:52 Peacock the minute you sell the code your transferring copyright and the new owner can relicense, the libre crowd would still be up in arms
20:52 [0gb_us] Companies can make money other ways, such as selling the game content in the case of games, while making the code free. As for things such as document editors, there's not really a good way to make money off of them.
20:52 Menche there are commercial linux distributions like Red Hat Enterprise
20:53 Peacock all i knows is, so long as a significant enough portion of the free crowd insists on everything being free, companies will never take it seriously
20:53 ShadowNinja I beleive ID does something like this.
20:53 Menche linux is free but gets plenty of commercial support
20:53 Menche lots of big companies contribute to the kernel
20:54 Peacock yeah because it brings the price of windows down and limits MS's power
20:54 [0gb_us] All I know is that if users refuse to use proprietary software, companies won't be writing it, as they won't have any customers.
20:54 Peacock that will never happen
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20:54 [0gb_us] Windows is awful, with or without freedom and with or without cost.
20:54 Menche agreed.
20:55 Peacock most people, workers and home users alike, just need something that works, they don't have time to give a shit if their graphics drivers are completely free or not
20:55 [0gb_us] ubuntu just works, and Windows just doesn't. Ubuntu isn't free, but that's not really the point here.
20:55 Peacock its not like everyone has the luxury sit around IRC all day discussing the merits of free vs. proprietary lol
20:55 Menche one of my teachers was demonstrating something with a piece of FOSS software, and whenever he had a problem he'd say something like "that's what you expect from open source. purchased software is better tested."
20:56 Peacock menche well there is a difference, companies care if you don't plan on using their future versions
20:56 Peacock some (not all) oss devs are like "fuck you, its free"
20:57 Peacock if youre trying to run a business, you can't have that kind of response
20:57 Peacock nor does a business-owner (of any size) have the time to fix the bugs themselves
20:57 Peacock thats why i prefer the middle-way :P
20:58 jojoa1997 is it possible to set a node for the players hand with set_stack?
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21:00 Peacock not really
21:00 Peacock youd have to know which selection (1-8) theyre on
21:01 [0gb_us] Peacock, you mentioned that some free licenses are incompatible with GPL, right?
21:01 [0gb_us] Do you have any examples?
21:02 Menche certain variants of the BSD license are
21:02 Menche believe one has a clause about advertising that clashes in some way
21:03 [0gb_us] GPL disallows advertising? Or BSD-variant does?
21:03 Evergreen If anyone remembers, I'm back from my surgery!   \
21:04 Menche iirc one of the BSD licenses requires you give credit for every contributer in any piece of advertising. forget the details.
21:04 [0gb_us] Yay! I missed it. WHat were you in surgery for?
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21:04 Evergreen Ankle growth correction, my ankles were tilting outwards, and I had plates put in to stop the outside of my ankle from growing
21:05 [0gb_us] Hmm. That doesn't seem like giving credit would be disallowed in GPL ...
21:05 [0gb_us] Ah, how'd that go? Are your ankles fine now?
21:06 Menche wikipedia: "[the GPL] does not allow the addition of restrictions beyond those it already imposes"
21:07 Menche lists the old 4-clause BSD license as GPL incompatible
21:07 AWTom http://xkcd.com/978/
21:07 * sfan5 just wrote a design document for a reliable and fast key-value flatfile database
21:08 Menche for another map saving backend?
21:08 Evergreen Yeah, I'm fine, thanks for caring.  :P
21:08 sfan5 yes
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21:10 Peacock ogb not sure where i said GPL was incompatible with free licenses, though it is nearly useless for most commercial endeavours
21:10 Peacock evergreen, operation? are you now, a complete woman? :P
21:11 Evergreen No, lol
21:11 Evergreen x)
21:11 Peacock just kidding :P
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21:12 AWTom dial-up
21:13 AWTom interesting
21:13 sfan5 good night everyone
21:13 Peacock dial up? *checks the calendar* naw were not back in the 90s
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21:13 us_0gb Hmm? That was odd. A break in the connection, then I lost my name. Whatever though.
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21:13 us_0gb I see you over there, [0gb_us].
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21:14 AWTom the person on dial-up d/c'd
21:14 Peacock lol aaaaaaaaaaand he's gone
21:14 Peacock (again)
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21:15 us_0gb I didn't lose my connection to two other networks though, so I can only assume the issue is on Freenode's end.
21:16 Peacock first github and now freenode lol
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21:16 AWTom The internet is experiencing rolling blackouts.
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21:17 Guest55739 Does anyone know why someone would not be able to connect to my server useing rembo
21:18 Guest55739 remobo*
21:18 Menche are you on each other's "buddy list"?
21:18 us_0gb Maybe they don't have or know how to use Remobo?
21:18 Guest55739 Yeap
21:18 Guest55739 Nope, they do
21:19 Guest55739 Menche, I can add ya and you can test it
21:19 Guest55739 So we know its my end
21:19 Menche you're using the IP from mousing over the other's entry on the "buddy list"?
21:19 Guest55739 Nope, the one on mine
21:19 Guest55739 the numbers under menu
21:20 Menche is there a debug.txt file? it might be the server not remobo
21:20 Guest55739 they cant even get passed "conecting"
21:21 Guest55739 like its not even on
21:21 Guest55739 I will check the debug
21:21 Guest55739 Nope
21:21 Menche i had problems connecting to my own server (direct-connect). I couldn't really figure out what was wrong.
21:22 Guest55739 Please don't leave me hanging lol
21:22 Menche try adding "debug_log_level = 4" to your minetest.conf and see if it makes a debug file
21:22 Guest55739 I have a debug file
21:23 Guest55739 I mean, theirs nothingin it
21:23 Guest55739 about this problem
21:23 Guest55739 nothing in*
21:24 Menche argh, remobo is segfaulting
21:24 Guest55739 Would you like to add me?
21:24 Guest55739 You can delete me after
21:25 Guest55739 Just to see if its my end or remobo
21:25 Menche try adding "debug_log_level = 4"  to your minetest.conf and see if anything is put in
21:25 Guest55739 ok
21:25 Menche sorry, i can't get remobo to work
21:25 john_minetest remobo sounds like a vacuum cleaner robot.
21:26 Guest55739 I put it in
21:26 Guest55739 Should I restart my minetest client now
21:26 Menche yeah, and make sure that stays in minetest.conf (the client may overwrite it on shutdown)
21:26 Guest55739 okay
21:27 Guest55739 Okay, I am having someone try now
21:27 Guest55739 to log in
21:28 Guest55739 Nope
21:28 Guest55739 They cant get in
21:29 Guest55739 I don't get anything either
21:29 Guest55739 No popus noties nothing
21:29 Guest55739 pop ups*
21:29 Menche is there a file called "debug.txt"?
21:29 Guest55739 yes
21:29 Menche is there anything in that file?
21:30 Guest55739 Not about this
21:30 Guest55739 I am going try to unistall
21:30 Guest55739 and reinstall
21:30 Guest55739 What else can I do
21:30 Menche what OS?
21:30 Guest55739 Vista
21:30 Menche official build?
21:31 Guest55739 windows
21:31 Guest55739 yea
21:31 Menche guess you could try one of the more recent 3rd party dev builds
21:31 Guest55739 hang on
21:32 Menche i'll try something on my server when this map finishes converting... any second now...
21:34 Guest55739 brb
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21:43 Menche anyone understand what this is? http://pastebin.com/6d5n5BFd
21:44 us_0gb I have no idea what that is.
21:44 Menche that is what my server is still continually outputing after i quit my client while connecting.
21:45 Menche i *think* the server may still be trying to communicate with the client
21:46 Menche wait, someone else logged on
21:47 Menche im not announcing...
21:47 Menche it seems i can connect to my private address but not my public one
21:48 Menche although i could connect to the public one once
21:48 us_0gb THat's odd. I connect to both the public and private address with little issue.
21:48 john_minetest bye
21:48 us_0gb Bye.
21:48 us_0gb (On mine, I mean.)
21:50 Menche wonder what MinetestBot thinks
21:50 Menche !up menche.us
21:50 MinetestBot menche.us:30000 is up (586ms)
21:50 Jordach VanessaE_, you about
21:50 VanessaE_ am I about what? ;)
21:51 Jordach you know the mod with the carbon diamond pick, which mod is that
21:51 VanessaE_ I think that's dan's prefab md
21:51 VanessaE_ mod
21:51 jojoa1997 !up 0gb.us
21:51 MinetestBot 0gb.us:30000 is up (484ms)
21:51 us_0gb Up, but slow.
21:52 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:52 jojoa1997 !up 170.0.0.1
21:52 MinetestBot 170.0.0.1:30000 seems to be down
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21:52 Guest55739 WOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
21:52 Guest55739 I got it
21:52 Menche !up localhost
21:52 MinetestBot Menche: Invalid Address
21:52 Menche !up 127.0.0.1
21:52 MinetestBot 127.0.0.1:30000 is up (104ms)
21:52 VanessaE_ (I should remove those carbon tools, they're vastly overpowered from what I'm told)
21:52 us_0gb Hmm. It looks like [0gb_us] left, so I can take my name back.
21:53 Guest55739 Menche
21:53 Guest55739 I could kiss you
21:53 Menche ?
21:53 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:53 Guest55739 Always helping me and others
21:53 VanessaE_ Menche getting anonymous kisses? :)
21:53 Guest55739 I finnaly got it
21:53 Guest55739 I am happy now
21:53 Guest55739 Anyway..........
21:53 [0gb_us] He was helping fix Remobo or something.
21:53 Guest55739 I am off to see the wizard
21:53 Guest55739 See yall
21:53 [0gb_us] Bye!
21:53 Jordach VanessaE_, NOPE
21:54 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:54 Menche nope
21:54 VanessaE_ such may be accepted, if you're extremely lucky
21:54 Menche at least there hasn't been a commit for over a month in minetest_game (except one commit that corresponded to a commit in the engine)
21:55 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:55 VanessaE_ Jordach: well at any rate they're one of Dan's mods.
21:55 Peacock towel rack fixed (XP +100)
21:55 Jordach VanessaE_, TBM+
21:55 Peacock now for the stove fan thingy
21:56 VanessaE_ oh yes
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21:57 jojoa1997 what is the best visual compiler for windows
21:57 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:00 [0gb_us] Gotta' go to work. Bye!
22:00 proller Prestotron562, why you not in school again?
22:02 kahrl jojoa1997: Microsoft® Visual® Brainfuck®
22:05 Jordach Jordach.drop_the_muther_fuckin_bass(wub_wub_wub, 120) <- new API get!
22:05 Menche my client stuck at "Connecting to server..."
22:06 Menche for about a minute there was no related output on the server end, then it said "Menche times out."
22:06 Menche and the client is still stuck at "Connecting to server..."
22:06 Menche "Menche times out." was the only output on the server
22:07 VanessaE_ I've seen that happen on mine a couple of times too
22:07 Menche I've seen it on mine, but that was usually because the media download was taking long. Now it isn't even getting that far.
22:07 Menche Before, the server would say "username joins the game" or similar, then "username times out." later.
22:08 Menche now it only has the timeout message.
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22:08 Jordach VanessaE_, /nick VanessaE
22:08 VanessaE_ too lazy :P
22:08 VanessaE joined #minetest
22:08 Jordach D:
22:09 VanessaE that's easier
22:09 Menche however, it works when I connect to my private address
22:09 * Jordach calls bullshit
22:09 VanessaE one click instead of having to open my passwords file.
22:10 Menche someone else has connected successfully to the public one, though
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22:10 Menche unrelated: leveldb seems noticably faster
22:10 proller 12930 respawns on Sky server ;)
22:12 Menche now that i brought the old world up, i remember why i wanted to reset it
22:16 * Prestotron562 likes refreshing his twitter!
22:20 VanessaE Menche: just don't delete it.
22:20 VanessaE always keep all the old bits and pieces, you never know when you might need something from the old map.
22:26 Jordach proller, http://i.imgur.com/fbQZXuj.png
22:27 Jordach Evergreen, hello
22:27 Jordach how's the op?
22:27 proller Prestotron562, its reduces your noobity?
22:27 proller Jordach, what?
22:27 Peacock evergreen's a woman now :P
22:28 Jordach proller, BSD is apparently most paranoid
22:28 proller i'm use freebdsm
22:30 Evergreen Jordach: Sorry, for delayed response, it went fine
22:30 Jordach yay
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22:37 Jordach hello paramat
22:37 paramat hi ;)
22:39 Jordach Peacock, i think this guy is looking for hacks https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=110215#p110215
22:40 Jordach paramat, i just had a render idea: me and you pimping out a tractor
22:40 paramat plol
22:40 Jordach and render part of the A140
22:41 paramat so i should make a paramat player skin ... it has to be done
22:41 Jordach paramat, can you use this skin as a base
22:41 Jordach http://sfan5.dyndns.org/upload/data/sam2.png
22:42 Jordach then it works fine in minetest as well as my render models
22:43 paramat ah yes thats the standard template, i have already made one or two ...
22:43 Jordach paramat, see the pink and white pixels? they control the mouth and teeth
22:44 paramat omg thats new to me
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22:44 Jordach paramat, they only work in my own models however
22:45 paramat you just switch between the pixels to make it talk?#
22:45 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/cave-render/
22:45 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_med​ia/media_entries/339/untitled.png <- bigger
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22:46 paramat ah that is generated from a standard skin template?
22:46 Jordach paramat, bone controlled
22:46 Peacock jordach thats the post i was talking about earlier :P
22:47 Shadowfire joined #minetest
22:47 Peacock weird, i think my server restarted on its own lol
22:48 * paramat reads logs
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22:54 VanessaE *looks at ferns mod*
22:54 VanessaE do I add this to my server? :)
22:57 NekoGloopMkII http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4HkAM8g7kA
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23:00 Jordach VanessaE, merge my mother fucking capes
23:00 Jordach i don't give two fucks about wield3d
23:00 VanessaE capes?
23:00 Jordach minetest_game pull 201
23:01 Jordach (hint, the cape is part of the actual player skin, no extra textures needed)
23:01 Jordach VanessaE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBCBxHDcHvw
23:02 Jordach ^ provided by blockment
23:02 Jordach -t
23:02 VanessaE *reads*
23:02 VanessaE the cape in the skin file is a MC standard?
23:03 Jordach nope, my own
23:03 VanessaE oh
23:03 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=109912#p109912
23:03 Jordach ^ how you do it
23:03 VanessaE bug someone who can actually merge it :-)
23:03 * Jordach pokes PilzAdam
23:03 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:04 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:04 Jordach cAPS lOCK mUCH
23:04 VanessaE all I could do is put it on my server, but I happen to like stu's models so :P
23:04 VanessaE get PilzAdam to merge and stu to update his models accordingly :P
23:04 Jordach VanessaE, already pm'd stu about the pull
23:04 VanessaE ok
23:06 VanessaE the capes are just decorative, or will they have some future use?
23:06 Jordach decorative
23:06 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:07 Jordach ^ doesnt understand how the engine works
23:07 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:09 Shadowfire If I have more then one version of textures for Minetest... how do I switch between them?
23:10 VanessaE put them into separate texture packs and use the texutre pack selector on the main menu
23:10 VanessaE texture*
23:12 Shadowfire is the pack selector and add-on?
23:12 proller Prestotron562, you cant nothing except flood
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23:13 Jordach VanessaE, afaik, Shadowfire isn't using latest git
23:13 Jordach just remember tha
23:13 Jordach that*
23:13 Shadowfire It sez I am using 4.7
23:13 Jordach remember the damn 0.
23:13 Shadowfire ???
23:13 Jordach the current version is 0.4.7
23:14 Peacock weird, i uncheck public, and people still login to my test map lol
23:14 Shadowfire Wow,,,really... you have to be that passionate about the 0????
23:14 Shadowfire lol
23:14 Shadowfire nice
23:14 Jordach Shadowfire, every dev here likes being concise
23:14 jojoa1997 Sfan5 here?
23:14 Jordach nope.
23:14 Shadowfire I understand... May bad
23:15 VanessaE 4.7 doesn't exist.
23:15 Jordach ^ that too
23:15 VanessaE it's zero point four point seven
23:15 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:15 Peacock may bad, june good
23:15 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:15 Peacock its stardate 000.4.7
23:15 Jordach TBM+ supported!
23:15 Shadowfire Have mercy people ,,, long day ... just got off work... We will all live if I have a brain fart.
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23:16 Shadowfire Let me fix it... 0.4.7
23:16 Peacock you get the version wrong again, and it's chemical castration for you
23:16 Shadowfire their... is that better :)
23:16 Shadowfire :P
23:16 Jordach yes. much better.
23:16 Peacock :P
23:16 Shadowfire :)
23:16 Shadowfire heheheh
23:16 Shadowfire nice
23:17 Shadowfire I love guys! :)
23:17 VanessaE heh
23:17 VanessaE their?
23:17 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:17 VanessaE ARRRGHHHHHH!!!!!!
23:17 VanessaE :)
23:17 Peacock dont start with the grammar, i spotted many mistakes :P
23:17 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:17 VanessaE they're is a more correct way to write "there", so their.
23:18 VanessaE (now I'm just busting on you :) )
23:18 Shadowfire Yes,, please don't make me fix my grammer... we will be here all night...:(
23:18 Shadowfire :)\
23:18 Shadowfire ;)
23:18 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:18 * Peacock watches as grammar nazies takes shadowfire to the umschlagplatz
23:19 Shadowfire lol
23:19 iqualfragile_ joined #minetest
23:19 Shadowfire NOT THE GRAMMAR NAZIES.... "no soup for YOU!"
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23:20 jojoa1997 Shadowfire "No soup for YOU!" or "...no soupd for YOU!" :P
23:20 Shadowfire Ooops... I just realized.. what I said up above,,, That was supposes to be "I love *you* guys!"
23:20 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:20 Peacock LOL
23:21 Shadowfire Man I am on a roll tonight of errors...
23:21 Peacock i wondered about that but didn't want to say anything lol
23:21 Shadowfire Number 5 is alive!!!!! FORWARD!!!!!forward!!!!
23:21 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:21 Shadowfire Yes I am extremely possitive that I ment "I love you guys" :)
23:22 Peacock only if they're packing XD
23:22 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:22 Shadowfire Gotcha! :)
23:22 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:23 Peacock presto you sure youre not wanking his chain? XD
23:23 Shadowfire Now that I have made every one laugh and smile at my expense.  How is everyone?
23:23 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:23 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:24 Shadowfire kewl
23:24 jojoa1997 COOL!
23:24 Peacock thats a new one: [ServerThread]: Server: A mismatched client tried to connect
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23:24 Shadowfire So looks like I will be pacman'ing the git on Arch... woohoo!
23:24 Peacock does aur actually work now?
23:24 Shadowfire I will be letting you know shortly :)
23:25 Peacock i gave up on archbang when packer stopped working lol
23:26 Peacock #! is awesome but missing shit in the repos because of the libretards is also giving me second thoughts
23:31 Peacock so, does aur work? lol
23:32 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:34 proller lol, you keep noobing
23:34 Shadowfire Sorry.. was check info on repos .. going to try it now
23:35 Shadowfire hmmm there is minetest-delta-git 20110710-2 and
23:35 Shadowfire minetest-git 20130623.f960c3b-1
23:35 Shadowfire and
23:36 Shadowfire minetest-jachoo-git
23:36 Shadowfire and
23:36 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:36 Shadowfire minetestpp 20120409-1
23:36 proller Prestotron562, all they stupid as you?
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23:37 Evergreen Oh, be nice proller
23:37 Peacock lol
23:37 Evergreen Hi Wuzzy
23:37 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:37 proller Prestotron562, or you buy bots to amaze us?
23:38 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:38 Peacock cat fight!
23:38 proller like 0.1$ per folower = 15$ - your daily icecream money?
23:38 VanessaE hey, knock it off
23:38 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:39 proller you first.
23:39 Jordach \o/
23:39 Shadowfire Wowzers! Everyone was so calm,,, then came the storm,
23:40 jojoa1997 ...
23:41 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:41 jojoa1997 _-~___-~___-~___-~``~__-~``~__-~``~__-~``~__​~``````````````````````````````````````````
23:42 proller Prestotron562, you miss. eleven.
23:42 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:42 VanessaE both of you stop it.
23:42 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:43 Evergreen Prestotron562: don't make fun of proller, he really knows what he is doing
23:43 Jordach \o/
23:43 Shadowfire Okey-Dokey gents... hows about everyone put away their guns... lest we have real troubles...
23:43 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:44 Evergreen Alright, let's just forget this conversation.
23:44 jojoa1997 um why does no one care abvout my feelings?
23:44 jojoa1997 *about
23:44 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:45 jojoa1997 NO
23:45 Shadowfire I care Jojoa1997... VanessaE will give you a hug now.   ;)
23:45 jojoa1997 How about everyon becomes friends?
23:45 proller i dont know  coding and software, hardware, etc.
23:45 jojoa1997 lol
23:45 * Prestotron562 hugs Vanessa
23:45 Shadowfire lol
23:45 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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23:45 proller i know beer and smoke. and vodka.
23:46 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:46 jojoa1997 Shadowfire i like how you offer up VanessaE to comfort me on your behalf
23:46 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:46 jojoa1997 what if you are prescrinljkhfdgdf
23:46 Shadowfire grin... hey if it works.. let not knock it :)
23:46 proller Prestotron562, no. in game im only grief, better than Calinou
23:47 jojoa1997 i greif all the time
23:47 jojoa1997 ...
23:47 proller Prestotron562, no problem with light drugs. try it.
23:47 jojoa1997 in minecraft on AMPLIFIED biomes
23:47 Jordach Calinou once masterfully griefed sky hardcore
23:47 * jojoa1997 calls the police
23:47 jojoa1997 how
23:47 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:47 * VanessaE looks at Mossmanikin's grasses mod.  Do I add this to my servers?
23:47 Jordach in mother russia, drugs smoke you
23:48 jojoa1997 Jorach what did Calinou pc user do?
23:48 Jordach jojoa1997, traxie's server? remember that
23:48 Shadowfire That was not very nice of you VanessaE... taking Op from yourself... you should be ashamed! give it back this very minute! :P
23:48 Jordach he successfully griefed that entire server
23:49 Peacock <proller> Prestotron562, no problem with light drugs. try it.
23:49 proller he destroys 8000+ blocks
23:49 Peacock shoulda seen the textual tong-lashing i got for enjoying alcohol :P
23:49 VanessaE lol
23:49 jojoa1997 long-lashing?
23:49 jojoa1997 wow
23:49 VanessaE tongue*
23:50 Shadowfire :)
23:50 jojoa1997 <proller> he destroys 8000+ blocks
23:50 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:50 jojoa1997 so he used tnt?
23:50 Shadowfire My minetest git is still building... yeehaw!!!!!
23:50 Peacock i suspected calinou was a griefer when i had a few players from Nice, France grief my server :p
23:50 jojoa1997 i am past 13 and have never tried drugs
23:50 jojoa1997 /ban jojoa1997
23:50 proller no, only wood pick
23:50 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:51 * Jordach often lights up the bong
23:51 Peacock you shouldn't do drugs at a young age
23:51 VanessaE I've smoked weed..that's about all.
23:51 Peacock wait until youre 16~18
23:51 jojoa1997 Peacock you shouldnt do drugs at all!
23:51 Shadowfire proller could you please pedal faster so my cpu will go faster... your slowing down on the bike.. faster faster please ... thx
23:51 jojoa1997 also Peacock that menas i should do drugs now
23:51 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:51 Peacock well i quit smoking weed but not because i wanted to, the suppliers simply all had bad shit lol
23:51 jojoa1997 ...if i want to be killed by my parents and thrown into jail
23:52 VanessaE you don't go to jail for smoking up, you go for selling/growing.
23:52 Peacock you cant get thrown into jail for a little weed
23:52 VanessaE (generally)
23:52 jojoa1997 Prestotron562 i am two out of three
23:52 Peacock vanessa you'd be surprised :P
23:52 jojoa1997 VanessaE you can
23:52 jojoa1997 if you have it
23:52 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:52 * jojoa1997 doesnt want a record
23:52 Jordach Fun fact: Concrete supported
23:53 Peacock when i was 17, i got "caught" a few times by cops rolling joints in parks and bus stops, they never did a thing
23:53 VanessaE you can, yes, except if you live in Colorado or Washington ;)
23:53 Peacock i didn't bullshit the cops either though, so that must have scored me a few points
23:53 * Prestotron562 goes to a coding school in Lincoln, Rhode Island
23:53 Shadowfire kewl
23:53 * jojoa1997 stalks Prestotron562
23:53 VanessaE Peacock: I think cops are starting to get tired of enforcing the bullshit laws
23:54 Peacock "what you doing?" "rolling a joint" "where you gonna smoke it?" "i thought we'd walk around" cop says good night and goes on with his duties
23:54 VanessaE hence most won't bug you anymore over a couple of doobies.
23:54 * Prestotron562 stares at jojoa1997
23:54 jojoa1997 Prestotron 562 what does the 562 mean?
23:54 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:54 * jojoa1997 stares at Prestotron562(Mr. Longest name ever for typing)
23:54 Peacock its only when civies start getting agressive with cops that they use whatever reason to take you down to the station
23:54 Shadowfire 5 years 6 days and 2 months ....
23:55 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:55 Peacock vanessae well i think cops have alot more on their plates than a few stoners lol
23:55 Shadowfire worth of a story right?
23:55 jojoa1997 the day he was thrown into jail for growing weed
23:55 VanessaE Peacock: exactly my poiny.
23:55 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:55 VanessaE point*
23:55 Evergreen jojoa1997: Just press tab, and it should auto complete the name for you
23:55 jojoa1997 Prestotron562,
23:55 jojoa1997 Evergreen,
23:55 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:55 jojoa1997 jojoa1997,
23:56 Shadowfire what is a poiny?? VanessaE ;)
23:56 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:56 jojoa1997 VanessaE
23:56 VanessaE Shadowfire: a pointy pony? :)
23:56 jojoa1997 lol
23:56 Peacock isn't that a unicorn?
23:56 Shadowfire I want one!
23:56 jojoa1997 what does typing V tehn pressing TAB do?
23:56 Peacock fine but you cant fuck it
23:56 jojoa1997 PilzAdam,
23:56 jojoa1997 Peacock,
23:56 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:57 Peacock lol
23:57 Peacock (the unicorn, not PA)_
23:57 jojoa1997 Prestotron562, I think of testosterone when i read you name
23:57 Shadowfire Peacock: Well I certianly wouldn't want a unicorn for that reason.. but yaeh ok,,,
23:57 proller Prestotron562, spent another 3$ for bots?
23:57 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:57 Peacock the sheep mob might be more useful to you for that :P
23:57 jojoa1997 cause it sounds like that
23:57 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:58 Peacock testosterone? when i read his name i think prostates
23:58 Shadowfire Duh!!!! Broke it!!!!! Fix it!!!! Mr Peacock
23:58 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:58 Peacock like "Prostatetron" lol
23:58 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:58 Peacock then i think about doctors
23:58 jojoa1997 i sound your name like Pre-sto-dtor-on-562
23:58 Shadowfire that's *doh!!!
23:58 Peacock i still wont let them do *that* exam
23:58 Shadowfire not duh
23:58 Peacock heck i wont even let anyone wag a finger in my face, nevermind...
23:59 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:59 VanessaE proller, Prestotron562, stop it.
23:59 VanessaE take your argument to /msg or email or something.
23:59 Shadowfire alright Mr. Peacock,, now turn your head to the right and cough,,,

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