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00:10 Vazon Miner_48er what cuased the lag out?
00:12 ShadowNinja Yippe, the menu cleared my world.mt.
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00:24 ShadowNinja IMO Transparency should be removed from here as it is quite obvious from the inage: http://wiki.minetest.net/index​.php?title=Template:Block_Data Commects?
00:24 ShadowNinja Comments*
00:27 PilzAdam VanessaE, oh, I thought we could use your server to test if it works well ;-)
00:28 yyamiyyugi It is pretty obvious that it's not transparent
00:28 yyamiyyugi XD
00:30 ShadowNinja Yes, and the reverse for ladders, apples, and the like. Any objections?
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00:39 ShadowNinja Hmmm, a line got messed up here somehow. Anyone know why? http://wiki.minetest.net/Apple The code seems fine.
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00:42 yyamiyyugi it's pretty messed up XD
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00:44 VanessaE_[T] jeez.. crashy program.
00:59 khonkhortisan The code in {{Heart | 0.5}} does it
01:01 yyamiyyugi if you delete the space between the last } and the next letter it removes that box, but looks crammed together in that spot :/
01:01 khonkhortisan I can add a \ or a \} touching the last }, but then they appear
01:01 khonkhortisan the heart is adding a tag that it isn't escaping
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01:02 yyamiyyugi idk, I have never really messed with a wiki before
01:03 * NekoGloop throws a kitten at Calinou
01:03 khonkhortisan it's not supposed to break like that.
01:03 khonkhortisan http://wiki.minetest.net/Template:Heart
01:05 yyamiyyugi should that not be moved to under the image anyway?
01:05 yyamiyyugi makes more since that way (to me atleast)
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01:07 Vanessa_[T] OK' let's see if yaaic is any better.
01:07 NekoGloop That sounds like an alien language
01:07 PilzAdam Vanessa_[T], this is not an IRC client test channel :-p
01:08 khonkhortisan Editing the heart template example also moves the text to the next line.
01:08 khonkhortisan There's a problem with the <includeonl.>
01:08 khonkhortisan only
01:08 Vanessa_[T] It is when the other one crashes enough to keep me from multitasking.....
01:14 yyamiyyugi khonkgortisan, where do I find templates?
01:14 yyamiyyugi * khonkhortisan
01:14 yyamiyyugi fail
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01:19 khonkhortisan I found it by changing Heart to Heart.png, following the redlink, then removing the png.
01:20 yyamiyyugi lol
01:20 yyamiyyugi I can't seem to find any besides that (only found it because you linked)
01:20 yyamiyyugi XD
01:21 khonkhortisan templates aren't exactly considered wiki content
01:21 ShadowNinja Everything in the template looks fine...
01:21 khonkhortisan but it's not
01:21 khonkhortisan put a word after the last 3.5}} on the template source
01:22 ShadowNinja It puts it in that box.
01:22 khonkhortisan under the hearts
01:22 khonkhortisan If you remove the space before the word, it removes the box, but keeps the newline.
01:23 * NekoGloop noms ShadowNinja
01:24 khonkhortisan *ShadowNeko coughs up GloopNinja
01:28 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: Do you know what is causing this?
01:29 PilzAdam bye
01:29 khonkhortisan no, I don't
01:31 khonkhortisan if I change  {{Heart | 0.5}} to [[File:Half_heart.png | 16px]], it stays on the same line and doesn't add a box. It's something with the include or the switch.
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01:34 khonkhortisan Replacing it with the actual switch (keeping the spaces around the {{ and }})  is also normal.
01:35 Pika-boy hello
01:35 khonkhortisan I think the include is what breaks it
01:35 khonkhortisan hi
01:36 Pika-boy whats a good texture pack for MT?
01:36 ShadowNinja Pika-boy: Try MT-Faithful or HDX. Also look at the texture packs section on the website.
01:37 Pika-boy thanks
01:38 ShadowNinja How does this look? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6095093/ (For Wiki Guidlines)
01:44 yyamiyyugi looks good!
01:48 khonkhortisan userboxen: minepedia is not a social network
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02:16 LinuxGuy2020 How deep do the worlds go? Im down to like level -300. Can it go forever or will I hit the "center of the earth"? hehe
02:16 Vanessa_[T] men... ram usage on this thing sucks...
02:16 * NekoGloop noms Vanessa_[T]
02:16 Vanessa_[T] -31k or so
02:16 LinuxGuy2020 holy crap
02:16 LinuxGuy2020 awesome
02:16 Vanessa_[T] -30912 or some such
02:17 LinuxGuy2020 That would be a crazy fall down that far.
02:17 Vanessa_[T] meh* (damn auto correct)
02:18 LinuxGuy2020 What is finite water setting do?
02:18 NekoGloop lags
02:19 Vanessa_[T] yeah...  it used to be that if you actually fell that far, you'd get to going extremely fast, but these days the map loader can't keep up anymore so you pause every couple of seconds on the way down
02:19 LinuxGuy2020 haha thats funny
02:19 NekoGloop because lol fast code
02:19 Vanessa_[T] heh
02:20 Vanessa_[T] brb
02:20 LinuxGuy2020 Whats the creative mode do?
02:20 ShadowNinja Vanessa_[T]: EmergeManager was actually fast enough to load the whole way down? That would be dozens of MapBlocks in miliseconds.
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02:20 yyamiyyugi LinuxGuy2020 it let's you spawn blocks and doesn't take away a block when you place one
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02:21 LinuxGuy2020 yyamiyyugi: wow
02:21 ShadowNinja EmergeManager has semi-recently been optimized, and LevelGB is faster, so it should load fastnow.
02:21 ShadowNinja Vanessa_[T]: EmergeManager was actually fast enough to load the whole way down? That would be dozens of MapBlocks in miliseconds.
02:22 yyamiyyugi I think you also break blocks faster, not sure on that though
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02:22 Vanessa_[T] it used to be, yeah... or at least enough to get you down to about -2000 or so e such before the loader started to lag
02:23 Vanessa_[T] remember Hell's Jump on the old minetest.ru server?
02:24 Vanessa_[T] that went down to like -7000 or so and it was easy to get to the bottom without hardly any loader lag
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03:03 xiong If anybody cares... I have been to Absolute Bottom. HUD at that point says -30912.5: http://imgur.com/a/toUP2#8
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03:03 xiong I'd like it known that I got down there honestly: no nether portal and I brought a water shaft with me so the journey is, in theory, repeatable and returnable.
03:04 xiong If I ever get in a sufficiently bad mood I may just scoop out the water source, let the shaft run dry, push somebody into the hole, and see how long he screams before he hits.
03:05 ShadowNinja LOL.
03:05 * ShadowNinja is trying to get texture alpha working in blender.
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04:50 deltib is there any possibility in the future of minetest being able to run parts of mods client side?
04:51 VanessaE it's been discussed
04:51 VanessaE and the client does use some Lua now for the menu, so maybe
04:53 deltib I suppose the big issue is getting the local and remote scripts to communicate with each other
05:11 sfan5 ShadowNinja: I'll see
05:19 VanessaE bbl
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06:38 adama_ hello evryone
06:38 Miner_48er hi
06:38 adama_ am i back in sam chat
06:39 Miner_48er no
06:39 adama_ ok
06:39 adama_ looking for some help with installing a few mods ?
06:39 Miner_48er ok what questions do you have?
06:40 adama_ trying to install infrastructur mod with unifiedbricks mod and seams i get an error when adding infrastructure to the mix
06:40 adama_ after adding the infrastructur mod i get error cant read unifiedbricks init.lua
06:41 adama_ i have been trying for several days now with different combonations of mods and the errors seam a bit abscure as to why some wont work
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06:43 Miner_48er what folder is unifiedbricks in?
06:43 adama_ .minecraft/mods
06:43 adama_ minetest sorry
06:43 Miner_48er minecraft?
06:43 Miner_48er ok
06:44 Miner_48er what's the name of the unified bricks folder?
06:44 adama_ "unifiedbricks"
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06:46 Miner_48er can you open the init.lua file?
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06:46 adama_ yes
06:47 adama_ its open
06:48 Miner_48er VanessaE any ideas?
06:48 adama_ i have seen that Vanessa has them installed and tried to ask here but she is playing on here server on tablet right now
06:50 Miner_48er Sokomine
06:50 adama_ also i keep getting error that crashes server has to do with moreblocks and the circular saw something about compairing nil then dumps
06:51 adama_ wish i knew exact error but i did find that i am not only one with the issure i have interact disabled by default and from what i was reading it has something to do whith that any ideas there ??
06:53 Miner_48er no
06:53 adama_ bummer
06:53 adama_ would the list of mods help any ?
06:54 Miner_48er Calinou ?
06:54 Calinou hi
06:55 adama_ hi
06:56 adama_ can you help troubleshoot some mods with me ?
06:57 Calinou ask your question
06:58 adama_ trying to install infrastructur mod with unifiedbricks mod and seams i get an error when adding infrastructure to the mix
06:58 adama_ after adding the infrastructur mod i get error cant read unifiedbricks init.lua
06:58 adama_ i have been trying for several days now with different combonations of mods and the errors seam a bit abscure as to why some wont work
06:59 adama_ same when i add maptools lrfurn or streets mods
07:00 adama_ oh and carpet as well
07:02 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=110040#p110040
07:02 Calinou "The main menu uses tabs, which is not very professional for a game."
07:02 Calinou which menu doesn't?
07:02 Calinou tabs are better
07:03 Calinou "We need higher FPS!" that's your hardware
07:03 adama_ hu ?
07:04 adama_ Calinou ?
07:05 Calinou it's just a forum post I'm "replying" to
07:05 adama_ oh
07:07 adama_ actually thats kinda funny im working on simalar tutorial for a headless minetest server
07:07 adama_ on ubuntu server
07:09 adama_ can you help me Calinou or are you bizzy ?
07:12 adama_ ok thanks any way
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07:51 Vanessa_[T] adama, maybe you're hitting the number of nodes limit?  is this an older version of MT?
07:52 Vanessa_[T] damn. missed.
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08:35 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Video Games Day! :-D
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09:02 Vanessa_[T] so, it seems I can't run mt over ssh :P
09:03 Vanessa_[T] at least not to android's xserver app :P
09:03 bas080 You would if you had robot ears
09:03 Vanessa_[T] heh
09:14 Vanessa_[T] guess the idea of a native android client kinda died, huh.
09:18 JamesTait Shame. :(
09:23 Vanessa_[T] bas080:  pastebin.com/FFx5Nnk2
09:24 Vanessa_[T] ran into that ^^^^ on my server
09:24 bas080 :(
09:25 Vanessa_[T] you bwoke it! :(
09:26 Vanessa_[T] jk
09:26 bas080 yes, i fount it
09:26 Vanessa_[T] oh good
09:27 bas080 it's really simple to fix...
09:27 bas080 this line     minetest.env:add_node(yesh, "vines:rope")
09:27 bas080 should be minetest.env:add_node(yesh, {name="vines:rope")
09:27 Vanessa_[T] heh, oops
09:28 Vanessa_[T] I didn't look at the code when it happened last time
09:29 Vanessa_[T] btw, minetest.env: is deprecated
09:30 bas080 what should it be?
09:30 bas080 just minetest.
09:31 Vanessa_[T] just minetest. now
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09:42 john_minetest Hello everypony.
09:43 Vanessa_[T] hi
09:43 Calinou hi
09:44 * Vanessa_[T] throws a kitten at Calinou
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10:02 Vanessa_[T] bbl
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10:36 bas080 ok. fixed that too.Hey VanessaE,  almost done with the changes to vines mod. Rotten versions are now part of them. Is there a mod with scissors or something or sheers? I want to use that in order to gather vines.
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10:55 bas080 what is the best way to check if node contains a group?
10:55 jojoa1997 Um
10:55 bas080 if minetest.get_node_group(n.name, "falling_node") ~= 0 then
10:55 bas080 i think that should be it
10:56 jojoa1997 minetest.registered_items[name].group
10:56 bas080 hey jojoa
10:56 jojoa1997 I think
10:56 jojoa1997 Hi
10:56 bas080 i'm using your shears
10:56 jojoa1997 OK cool
10:56 jojoa1997 For what
10:56 bas080 I can send you the code and depend on it
10:56 bas080 For vines. That way you can gather fresh vines
10:56 bas080 not the rotten ones
10:57 jojoa1997 Ok
10:57 jojoa1997 Sec
10:58 jojoa1997 this mod? https://github.com/jojoa1997/special_tools
10:58 bas080 yes
10:58 bas080 I like the mod.
10:59 jojoa1997 thanks
10:59 jojoa1997 here is the register group in the api
10:59 jojoa1997 https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L274
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11:00 jojoa1997 does anyone know hy this happenes https://github.com/jojoa1997​/overcraft_origins/issues/2
11:00 jojoa1997 here is my game that it happens in https://github.com/jojoa1997/overcraft_origins
11:09 jojoa1997 does anyone have an idea why the issue occurs?
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11:11 Evergreen__ Sorry, having some problems with quassel
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11:20 bas080 What should i do if i want to use tools on_use = function(itemstack, user, pointed_thing)
11:20 bas080 but keep the tool_capabilities = {
11:20 bas080 capabilites
11:22 bas080 is this possible or should be done differently. f.e. the punch/on_dig property of the node.
11:23 bas080 i can do on_dig and check what the wield item is of the digger.
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11:42 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:44 PilzAdam spam: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=110145#p110145
11:56 sfan5 hi everyone
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13:01 john_minetest hi
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13:16 Evergreen Hi [0gb_us]
13:17 [0gb_us] Hello, Evergreen!
13:17 Evergreen It's been a while
13:17 [0gb_us] It has. How have you been?
13:27 Calinou hey Evergreen :)
13:27 Calinou and [0gb_us]
13:28 [0gb_us] Hey, Calinou!
13:28 Evergreen Pretty good, I have to go soon
13:28 [0gb_us] Okay, see you later then.
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13:28 [0gb_us] Oops, too late.
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13:30 jojoa1997 How would I change the fob of a player
13:30 jojoa1997 Fov
13:30 [0gb_us] "Fov"?
13:32 Calinou field of view
13:32 Calinou the setting is client side jojoa1997
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13:36 jojoa1997 So I can do it via lua?
13:36 [0gb_us] No, it appears not.
13:36 [0gb_us] It's a client-side setting, you can't modify it server-side.
13:37 jojoa1997 That's silly
13:37 jojoa1997 It should be able to be both
13:37 Calinou as much as auto-caps
13:37 e1z0 yo
13:37 e1z0 good day
13:38 [0gb_us] Hello!
13:38 Calinou hi e1z0 :)
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13:38 jojoa1997 Calinou what?
13:38 Calinou :p
13:39 Calinou you use auto-caps
13:39 [0gb_us] No, not really, Jojoa. If it could be modified server-side, plugins could set it in ways that annoy some players, similar to how server-side particles were annoying some players.
13:39 Calinou first letter is automatically capitalized
13:41 jojoa1997 Calinou my nexus uses autocaps
13:41 jojoa1997 And [0gb_us] I think I should be server side also but there could be a setting to turn server side off
13:42 [0gb_us] To turn server side off from the client side you mean?
13:43 jojoa1997 Yes
13:44 jojoa1997 Cause I have a sprint mod and would love to have it add for 10 or less when sprinting
13:44 [0gb_us] Well, I won't argue against anything that users can avoid using if they don't like.
13:44 Calinou changing FOV when sprinting is a bad thing
13:45 Calinou it gives illusion of speed
13:45 Calinou Minetest isn't about marketing
13:46 [0gb_us] Speaking of marketing, I'm going to shamelessly market my new node: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=14a5715
13:46 [0gb_us] A lava-in-glass node.
13:46 [0gb_us] Good for lighting homes if you are bored of torches.
13:47 jojoa1997 But for for sprinting does make it seem like you are goingnfast
13:48 Calinou that is bad
13:48 john_minetest "Wow, this lava node looks good and makes my skin feel younger. In addition to that it can be used to destroy weed in the garden and clean dishes!"
13:48 [0gb_us] I was unaware of its uses. I'll have to look into those things.
13:49 john_minetest "Buy it now for ONLY 99,99€! If you call NOW, you will get a second lava lamp (for a small service fee of 99.90€) AND, only here, a super lava lamp cleaning set with our patented clean-ex pen! Only 1000 pieces left! Last chance for you!"
13:50 * [0gb_us] pulls out his Discover card
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13:52 jojoa1997 :-)
13:52 jojoa1997 Is there a Jacky way of changing for?
13:52 jojoa1997 Fov
13:52 [0gb_us] Not from the server side.
13:52 jojoa1997 Calinou what is more annoying is autocorrect
13:53 [0gb_us] I imagine that is annoying.
13:53 jojoa1997 How do you change fov
13:53 [0gb_us] From the server side, you can't. From the client side, minetest.conf.
13:55 jojoa1997 Is there a command for me to type that changes it?
13:55 jojoa1997 Like server settings
13:56 [0gb_us] Not server setting, but client settings.
13:56 jojoa1997 Is there a command to change it though
13:57 [0gb_us] I don't know which key value controls the field of view. But us "/set -n <key> <value>".
13:57 [0gb_us] *use
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13:58 jojoa1997 So can I have a command used by a player but it is set by code to do that automatically
13:58 [0gb_us] No, that command only works when run locally.
13:59 [0gb_us] And probably only works when you log out and in after using it.
13:59 [0gb_us] You can't use it to set other peoples' fields of view.
14:00 jojoa1997 You sure
14:00 jojoa1997 What I am thinking is to have the command run for that person
14:01 [0gb_us] Yes, I'm dead sure. /set only works on the server's settings. When the server IS the client, it modifies client settings too, but not the settings of OTHER clients.
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14:24 john_minetest !server
14:24 MinetestBot john_minetest: Megaf - MESECONS - Flat and Creative Server | megaf.no-ip.info:30001 | Clients: 3/30, 6 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.373
14:28 sfan5 !server players:most
14:28 MinetestBot sfan5: LandRush Server | 192.95.62.241:31000 | Clients: 11/20, 13 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.195
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14:32 john_minetest Landrush lags for me
14:32 e1z0 :O
14:33 john_minetest I wonder why there are nearly no servers on the server list.
14:33 john_minetest When looking on the forum there should be at least 30 servers.
14:34 Peacock mine's up but ittl be going down often today - still making lots of changes to pipes
14:35 ShadowNinja john_minetest: Nearly none? There are many, and I don't really want more, as that means more competition for my server. Some servers are old or offline a lot.
14:35 john_minetest And there are nearly no people on the servers.
14:36 Peacock its not really a competition - most servers has its fans and its griefers, and theyre not the same on each :p
14:37 ShadowNinja Oh, I got a greifer the other day I think, for about ten seconds that is. And you get dozens a day Peacock?
14:37 Peacock theyre mostly the same people coming back with diff names and IPs
14:37 Peacock grief patterns are pretty much the same
14:38 ShadowNinja Do you grant interact by default?
14:38 Peacock minetest's ban system sucks that way
14:38 Peacock non whitelist have interact for a small 2K*2k area in the north east quadrant
14:38 PilzAdam Peacock, propose a ban system that would also work with different IPs and names
14:38 ShadowNinja I would like a system similay to the IRC ban system, but without idents and with PCRE matching. :-)
14:39 Peacock pilzadam its been made clear that privacy is paramount :P
14:40 Peacock still when i ban i ban both nick and ip, and if the problem still persists, i have ip range banning
14:41 ShadowNinja *Cough* One of the hackiest and simplest implementations of it possible.
14:41 john_minetest ShadowNinja: I can't find your server in the list.
14:42 Peacock because complex is better </sarcasm>
14:42 john_minetest oh, got it
14:42 ShadowNinja ~server --name ShadowNinja
14:42 Peacock feel free to get something better pulled
14:42 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: ShadowNinja's creative server | shadowninja.minetest.net | Clients: 0/6 | Version: 0.4.7 | Ping: 0.229
14:42 sfan5 ShadowNinja: Y U NO USE !server ShadowNinja ?
14:42 john_minetest No, my name is already taken.
14:42 ShadowNinja Peacock: I didn't mean simple in that way.
14:42 Peacock and there's nothing hacky about using table[key] = true, how do you think groups and privs work?
14:43 ShadowNinja john_minetest: Lemme check that playerfile, if it is empty I will drop it for you.
14:44 Peacock in any case if there was a better way im sure someone would have pulled it by now
14:44 Peacock i wouldn't mind ip range banning on the engine/binary level, would be alot more efficient for taking care of all brazilian players
14:45 ShadowNinja Peacock: I mean banns like /ban .*@67\..*
14:46 ShadowNinja So you can ban part of the US if you get some greifers...
14:46 Sokomine hi. is there a mapper (2d-mapgenerator) that works on leveldb?
14:46 Peacock i dont get that many american griefers lol just BR
14:47 ShadowNinja Sokomine: No.
14:48 Peacock i dont even have a chat command for ip range ban, i just dont use that much, but where pattern matching's involved, it probably would be faster in the engine
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14:48 Sokomine shadowninja: :-(
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14:48 Sokomine is there a way to convert leveldb to sqlite?
14:48 Peacock there are websites that serve up lists of ip ranges for any given country, and some of those are long
14:49 thexyz Sokomine: yes, but I'm afraid it'll switch you back to sqlite
14:49 Sokomine ip ban is of limited use
14:49 Sokomine thexyz: that's less important for now. i'll just copy the map/world. need to get an overview of how much of redcrabs map i've catched
14:49 thexyz Sokomine: just run --migrate sqlite3
14:50 ShadowNinja Peacock: You could implement that right now with LuaPCRE or a similar lib.
14:51 Sokomine thexyz: can you give me the whole set of parameters, please?
14:52 thexyz ShadowNinja: how about http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lua ?
14:52 ShadowNinja Sokomine: bin/minetestserver --migrate sqlite3 --worldname x
14:53 Sokomine thank you all! it's now beeing migrated (at least a copy is)
14:53 thexyz things like http://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?​title=Template:Grid&amp;action=edit make me cry, in Lua those should look much better
14:53 ShadowNinja thexyz: Sounds good.
14:54 ShadowNinja It would also help the "Heart" template.
14:54 thexyz or maybe use Scribunto instead
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14:55 ShadowNinja thexyz: Do you know of any way to test templates? The preview button doesn't update templates.
14:57 thexyz ShadowNinja: nope, I'm not really familiar with MediaWiki
14:57 thexyz yes, this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto is the way to go
15:11 ShadowNinja How can I see what pages use a template?
15:12 thexyz I have no idea
15:12 thexyz ask somewhere around #mediawiki?
15:12 andersje mediawiki is a bear.
15:12 andersje I'd avoid it.
15:12 andersje if you just need a quick wiki, go with dokuwiki instead
15:12 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, toolbox -> what links here?
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15:12 andersje oh, foo, minetest.net is based on mediawiki?  ick.
15:13 thexyz we've had enough of that dokuwiki
15:13 thexyz so please no
15:13 thexyz not again
15:13 andersje it failed, you, eh?
15:13 andersje how so?
15:14 thexyz it's quite good until you need more stuff
15:14 andersje yeah, I can see where it might fall down if you need fancy fancy stuff.  out of curiousity, what was it that pushed it past its limits?
15:14 ShadowNinja Hmmm, I want to change something in Block Data but that means updating about 50 pages...
15:15 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Thanks, that worked.
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15:17 * GNADev|zRokh throws a kitten at Calinou *whoosh*
15:17 GNADev|zRokh oh, that stinky mother fuc..... >:O
15:18 thexyz andersje: I don't remember now what exactly made me make the move but it doesn't have templates, for example
15:18 ShadowNinja thexyz: For template testing: https://www.mediawiki.org/wi​ki/Extension:TemplateSandbox
15:19 andersje oh, yeah, gotcha
15:19 GNADev|zRokh hey, i made an icon for a program... what do you think: *uploading image*
15:21 GNADev|zRokh http://imgur.com/6NIpV79
15:21 GNADev|zRokh its small :D
15:21 GNADev|zRokh 27x27
15:22 GNADev|zRokh why 27x27, why not 8x8, 16x16, 32x32 etc.? well, because my plan was 9x9 so i tripled it
15:22 PilzAdam GNADev|zRokh, wtf? can you stop talking nonsense?
15:22 GNADev|zRokh ok >:O
15:22 GNADev|zRokh well, what do you think? :D
15:23 ShadowNinja I beleive Phisics = Do you colide with it. But none of the pages use it and it defaults to false.
15:23 GNADev|zRokh what?
15:24 * GNADev|zRokh is going to download Stophouse's album
15:26 GNADev|zRokh ShadowNinja, what do you think of the Icon? http://imgur.com/6NIpV79
15:27 ShadowNinja GNADev|zRokh: It's nice, now go develop a program to use it. :-)
15:29 john_minetest Hey, I made a house that looks like a cat.
15:30 john_minetest And a cat poem.
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15:30 PilzAdam john_minetest, Y U NO octocat?!
15:30 john_minetest Uploading a screenshot...
15:30 john_minetest Cuz I mercurial!
15:30 john_minetest No, actually I am using git.
15:31 john_minetest My EPIC cat with a poem in chat: http://i.imgur.com/ZrpPct8.jpg
15:32 ShadowNinja Nice, john_minetest! :-)
15:33 PilzAdam lol, slender
15:33 thexyz ShadowNinja: installed
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15:33 ShadowNinja Good, Scribunto too?
15:34 thexyz no, later
15:34 thexyz john_minetest: great
15:34 LinuxGuy2020 Question about slab blocks. By default they seem to snap to the bottom of a block space. Is there any way to get them to snap to the top or side?
15:35 ShadowNinja thexyz: About content from other mods. Can we give mods a category/namespace/whatever or have them place their pages under Mods/modname/pagename so that mod x's concrete doesn't conflict with mod y's concrete?
15:36 ShadowNinja LinuxGuy2020: MoreBlocks lets you do that, but not default AFAIK.
15:36 LinuxGuy2020 ok thanks
15:37 PilzAdam LinuxGuy2020, its possible in default too
15:37 PilzAdam place them at the bottom of a block
15:37 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: But sides?
15:37 PilzAdam i.e. point at the downside of the block above
15:37 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, sides not
15:37 LinuxGuy2020 One other thing I made a screwdriver and it let me turn a chest around in 4 diffferent modes with the shift key I think it was. Any other uses for the screwdriver? Like other objects it works on?
15:38 PilzAdam LinuxGuy2020, screwdriver also works on stairs and furnaces
15:38 * Jordach is VERY SUSPICIOUS
15:38 PilzAdam and in the future also on slabs
15:38 LinuxGuy2020 Ok cool thank you
15:38 Jordach BlockMen is working on a capes mod
15:38 * NekoGloop sits on Jordach's head
15:38 * Jordach pets NekoGloop
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15:38 * NekoGloop purrs
15:39 * john_minetest gives <*(((< to NekoGloop.
15:39 Jordach fun fact: if i'm on my own, (and there's no one in the house) a cat is LOUDER than ME.
15:39 ShadowNinja Jordach: Do you know how to make blender use the texture alpha properly here? http://imgur.com/HUVAmOD
15:40 Jordach ShadowNinja, calinou knows how to
15:40 Jordach ShadowNinja, if you want plants, i have a blend file with all flowers, and other plantlike items
15:40 Jordach precut out too
15:41 Jordach (in that two plane cross)
15:41 ShadowNinja Jordach: I am trying to make a .blend for the plantlike drawtype. Does your file support all plantlike nodes?
15:41 ShadowNinja (Does it use texture alpha properly)
15:42 Jordach ShadowNinja, no, i subdivide a single plane until there are 16x16 pixels
15:42 thexyz ShadowNinja: I, too, think there should be a way to make sure node name doesn't collide with anything; but I dunno how to do that properly
15:42 Jordach then cut out the shape
15:42 Jordach i then duplicate the plane (edit mode) then rotate it 45 degrees
15:43 thexyz I'd also like to suggest to use cornernote's item cubes exporter instead of blender
15:43 ShadowNinja thexyz: Link?
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15:44 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MbaZ7qQwNY
15:45 Jordach well that ain't good
15:45 Jordach i just crashed sfan5's uploading service
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15:47 Peacock lol
15:47 GNADev|zRokh Flips a coin: HEADS
15:47 GNADev|zRokh lol :D
15:47 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-8NdU_j1Bs
15:48 thexyz ShadowNinja: https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-game_wiki
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15:50 thexyz WHY LOVE ONE BUT EAT THE OTHER
15:50 thexyz wait, sorry
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15:54 thexyz quality content
15:54 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7184
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15:54 john_minetest Bad request. The link you followed is incorrect or outdated.
15:54 Jordach ^ 404
15:55 john_minetest I want to be moderator so I can read all the stupid messages when I am bored ;)
15:55 thexyz this is in offtopic
15:55 thexyz just log in
15:55 thexyz this content is so quality I'm afraid we can't show it to strangers
15:56 Jordach john_minetest, there's no fun
15:56 Jordach honestly.
15:56 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=110181#p110181
15:56 Jordach oh fuck me
15:56 john_minetest Just a joke.
15:57 NekoGloop I wouldn't fuck you.
15:57 Jordach ^ you're a cat
15:57 Jordach why would it
15:57 Jordach -yt
15:57 Jordach -t*
15:58 john_minetest I am hanging around in a wiki and there are like 20 to 30 users registering every day although the community are ~20 peop,
15:58 john_minetest *people
15:58 thexyz Jordach: nice call to action you have there
15:58 thexyz I'll pass though
15:58 john_minetest AND I can see a pattern. Some of the spam messages are actually a pattern with different names inserted.
15:59 Jordach thexyz, lol
15:59 thexyz john_minetest: that's how spam is, what's the wiki you're talking about?
15:59 thexyz NekoGloop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NtjHrxPsPk
16:00 NekoGloop Hm, sounds better in russian
16:01 Jordach https://minetest.ru <- seems legit :P
16:01 thexyz Jordach: what?
16:01 Jordach most .ru domains are never legit
16:01 thexyz wat
16:02 Jordach they're usually used for spam and run ops
16:02 thexyz you're too fat
16:03 thexyz be fat somewhere else
16:03 Jordach at least i can use it to reflect punches and kicks
16:03 Jordach (irl, i just basically make it act like a liquid)
16:03 * Jordach is a beer belly type
16:04 john_minetest thexyz: It is a wiki from a small space sim. http://pioneerwiki.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
16:04 thexyz I wasn't talking about rl but whatever
16:05 Jordach john_minetest, looks AWESOME
16:06 thexyz john_minetest: yes, that's what happens when you don't have catcha
16:06 john_minetest It has some kind of captcha
16:06 * Jordach makes a minetest starship mod
16:06 thexyz NekoGloop: those guys are really good
16:07 NekoGloop Radiant Records?
16:07 john_minetest It asks the question: "What is the name of the game". Seems spammers found out.
16:07 thexyz and russian is superior language
16:07 thexyz NekoGloop: yep
16:07 Jordach thexyz, then why are you talking in english
16:07 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3DeTMgydyU
16:08 thexyz Jordach: because you don't understand it
16:08 Jordach john_minetest, it uses Lua <Jordach> I'm SOLD.
16:08 thexyz because it's hard to learn
16:08 PilzAdam thexyz, how do you know that russian is superior?
16:10 john_minetest PilzAdam: Because it is written like it is spoken. Союз Свет Мир
16:10 NekoGloop Mnp?
16:10 NekoGloop Cbet?
16:10 john_minetest Soyuz, Svet, Mir
16:10 PilzAdam I still believe that russian characters are just mirrored and flipped-arround latin characters
16:11 NekoGloop They are.
16:11 john_minetest Yes, they are.
16:11 thexyz Водка Медведь Балалайка.
16:11 thexyz PilzAdam: so what?
16:11 john_minetest Vodka Mjedvedb Balalajka
16:11 NekoGloop BoAka, MeAbeAb, banananka
16:12 PilzAdam thexyz, nothing else, I just believe it
16:12 john_minetest Reading cyrillic isn't difficult.
16:13 john_minetest One of my favourite russian words is "Кинозал"
16:14 * thexyz makes a note to not buy anything from google play anymore
16:14 thexyz john_minetest: why?
16:14 * PilzAdam writes thexyz a note to not use google anymore
16:15 thexyz http://pit.dirty.ru/dirty/1/2010/05/21/27247​-125432-f7d624172cacd0d3e5b8de20ceec1bea.jpg
16:15 john_minetest Because it is spoken "Kinosal" which matches the german word "Kinosaal" pretty much.
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16:15 ShadowNinja thexyz: Where should the wiki guidlines be linked to from?
16:15 thexyz PilzAdam: what should I use then?
16:15 thexyz can you replace all google services?
16:15 PilzAdam john_minetest, "Svet" (or so) LP from Gronkh? ;-)
16:16 john_minetest PilzAdam: "Kinosaal", too.
16:16 thexyz ShadowNinja: I don't care, main page maybe?
16:16 PilzAdam thexyz, no, they are #1 at spying
16:16 Jordach that award goes to the NSA
16:16 thexyz PilzAdam: okay
16:16 john_minetest Jordach: Which got most of its data from google.
16:16 PilzAdam Jordach, do you really thing that?
16:16 PilzAdam *k
16:16 ShadowNinja But where...
16:16 thexyz PilzAdam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM
16:17 thexyz all our internet providers have to install those black boxes
16:17 thexyz to get a license
16:18 proller thexyz, btw today redtube is blocked 8(
16:18 Jordach oh noes
16:18 john_minetest PilzAdam: Do you know the new music video that gronkh made yet?
16:19 thexyz proller: works fine here
16:19 PilzAdam john_minetest, #elektrotitte
16:19 john_minetest yeah, #elektrotitte
16:19 Jordach when did we get electronic  boobs
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16:19 john_minetest Hi rubenwardy
16:19 PilzAdam john_minetest, also: 2 Million subs
16:20 john_minetest cooool
16:20 Jordach The Germans are coming! The Germans are coming!
16:20 PilzAdam thexyz silently dissapeared :-p
16:20 Jordach hello Calinou
16:20 Peacock i think that's supposed to be "germany calling!" lol your expression is "the british are coming!"
16:20 Jordach Peacock, oh wait, i'm british
16:21 thexyz no, I'm here, don't think dirty things about me
16:21 john_minetest PilzAdam: Just realized that I haven't watched the last saint's row yet.
16:21 Jordach john_minetest, you really need to actually buy it
16:21 Jordach fucking amazing!
16:21 PilzAdam john_minetest, you missed a lot of Datensammlungen
16:21 * Peacock thinks about thexyz with lemon pledge
16:21 * Jordach has finished it and is waiting for DLC
16:21 PilzAdam (too lazy to translate that ;-))
16:22 Calinou hi
16:22 thexyz Peacock: I don't want to know what this means
16:23 Evergreen I'll be gone for a day, because I'm having minor surgery on my ankles.    Wish me luck!
16:23 * Jordach sends Evergreen a care package
16:23 Evergreen Thanks.  :P
16:25 Peacock well the opposite of dirty thoughts would be clean ones ... hence the lemon pledge
16:26 thexyz okay
16:27 thexyz because I started reading urban dictionary entries on that
16:27 thexyz why do people just write random stuff there
16:28 rubenwardy Hi al
16:29 Peacock theres an entry for lemon pledge?
16:29 Peacock lol the family guy reference made it in there
16:30 Peacock but unless you're russo-mexican, i doubt it applies :P
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16:35 john_minetest PilzAdam: Datensammlungssammelwut :D
16:36 * e1z0 slaps everyone with ton of beer
16:36 e1z0 :O~
16:36 Jordach 92 tons, you mad bro
16:36 * john_minetest gives the beer to his friends.
16:36 john_minetest The beer is empty after 2 minutes.
16:38 Peacock ugh, just had another brazilian and a gypsy try to grief freebuild lol
16:38 ShadowNinja Everyone with their own ton, or one ton altogether? ;-)
16:38 e1z0 lol
16:38 ShadowNinja Peacock: Try?
16:38 rubenwardy MinetestBot: hi
16:38 Peacock well they never get very far
16:38 rubenwardy MinetestBot!
16:38 MinetestBot rubenwardy!
16:38 Jordach hi MinetestBot
16:38 MinetestBot Hey Jordach
16:38 john_minetest hello MinetestBot
16:38 MinetestBot sup john_minetest
16:38 rubenwardy hello MinetestBot
16:38 MinetestBot Hey rubenwardy!
16:39 e1z0 MinetestBot, version
16:39 e1z0 MinetestBot, os
16:39 e1z0 does not work :O
16:39 rubenwardy MinetestBot: version
16:39 * Jordach hears  a cute voice in Jordach's head when MinetestBot speaks
16:39 e1z0 is it based on perl ?
16:39 john_minetest e1z0: On python
16:39 Jordach fun fact: i read most irc messages in my head with accents
16:39 rubenwardy python
16:39 rubenwardy lol
16:39 john_minetest lol...
16:39 e1z0 ah, i don't like python
16:39 rubenwardy Real accent?
16:39 e1z0 for me, perl is better
16:40 Jordach rubenwardy, british, german, french, typical american
16:40 Jordach but when thexyz talks, "In mother Russia.."
16:40 john_minetest e1z0: for me, C++ is better
16:40 rubenwardy he's russian?
16:40 thexyz you're not very original
16:41 thexyz rubenwardy: I am
16:41 Jordach what if i told you i use racial sterotypes
16:41 john_minetest thexyz: You must say "you not wery original"
16:41 e1z0 yeah, i just talking about scripting languages
16:41 john_minetest Else it is difficult to imagine the accent
16:41 * ShadowNinja 's bot supports version. :-)
16:42 ShadowNinja MinetestBot is a phenny bot.
16:42 john_minetest e1z0: python is the best scripting language
16:42 john_minetest because import antigravity.
16:42 MinetestBot ShadowNinja: And I have a super AI!
16:42 e1z0 i don't like python
16:42 rubenwardy Jordach: pm
16:42 Exio4 python sucks
16:42 thexyz john_minetest: ok me wil do
16:42 Jordach rubenwardy, quassel tells me in a notification box about the message
16:42 e1z0 as a sysadmin, i prefer perl
16:42 Exio4 scheme ftw! haskell ftw! C ftw! lua ftw!
16:42 e1z0 as my main scripting language
16:42 rubenwardy right
16:42 Exio4 perl is nice
16:43 rubenwardy Thought you used hexchat!
16:43 ShadowBot Me too!
16:43 MinetestBot Can we stop the language war please? I'm just a channel bot...
16:43 rubenwardy Assembler & Pascal ftw!
16:43 e1z0 i'm using hexchat too
16:43 e1z0 it's a good fork
16:43 Jordach rubenwardy, the startup crashes became unbearable, couldn't even join a server
16:43 thexyz Jordach: russian is not a race
16:44 john_minetest slavic is the race
16:44 john_minetest In fact most germans have genes from the vikings.
16:45 rubenwardy Happened to me
16:45 rubenwardy Use safe mode now
16:45 Jordach > There are several ways to flip Stairs+ nodes: >  yelling "Hey stair/slab/panel/microblock, flip yourself!". No, don't try, that doesn't work.
16:45 * Jordach plol'd
16:46 john_minetest Screwdriver might be more effective.
16:46 * john_minetest imagines rotating stuff with a screwdriver...
16:46 rubenwardy I never understand how to use it properly
16:47 john_minetest me either.
16:47 john_minetest I randomly press mouse buttons and numbers until it works.
16:48 rubenwardy yeah
16:50 * Jordach has a 2ltr Dr. Pepper bottle
16:50 * john_minetest is living in a cat
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16:56 Jordach ShadowNinja, http://i.imgur.com/AThblYR.png finally fixed the circular saw
16:58 NekoGloop the circular saw lets you get more than stack_max items in one stack, btw.
16:59 NekoGloop using the re-forming-ability-thing
17:00 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/FfNvQQJ.png http://i.imgur.com/yMtu7JE.png
17:00 Jordach item_frames support
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17:05 john_minetest Jordach: MC4MT8 is epic
17:07 NekoGloop Jordach, for kalite, I'd use EE2's alchemical coal.
17:08 Jordach NekoGloop, uhm
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17:09 Jordach i'll think of a soloution
17:09 LinuxGuy2020 what are mese crystlal fragments used for?
17:09 Jordach mesecon wires,  some other shit mods use
17:10 Jordach john_minetest, NekoGloop: if you want to help out, download some mods
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17:10 Jordach and skin then using 1.6
17:12 Jordach but please no git repos
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17:17 thexyz how about someone codes turing machine node?
17:19 NekoGloop Jordach, Why not alchemical coal
17:20 Jordach NekoGloop, maybe
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17:20 thexyz no?
17:28 PilzAdam thexyz, maybe
17:30 PilzAdam thexyz, would a binary alphabet be enough?
17:32 thexyz alphabet is nodes
17:32 thexyz turing machine is a node (or maybe an entity?) which moves in, say, north-south directions
17:33 PilzAdam ah
17:34 john_minetest Shouldn't be that difficult.
17:34 john_minetest A node that moves on and on and has a table with values stored.
17:35 thexyz what values?
17:36 kahrl the transition function
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17:37 Peacock doesn't sound terribly voxely :P what would be the purpose?
17:38 PilzAdam Peacock, same as wireworld
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17:38 thexyz the purpose is having fun
17:38 thexyz isn't it fun to have a turing machine in minetest?
17:38 Peacock for me fun is when people build nice shit worth exploring but to each his own lol
17:41 Peacock finally disabled default interact, ittl gimme a chance to ban the BRs before they can log in, do shit and logout in two minutes lol
17:45 sfan5 wat? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7189
17:46 Sokomine peacock: oh yes, i love exploring good buildings as well
17:46 Sokomine currently saving as much of redcrabs map as i can - which takes a lot of exploration. some people just built too large...
17:46 PilzAdam sfan5, someone actually answered to that oO
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17:47 Peacock Sokomine were working on a reproduction of Uru right now, so far got half the Bevin neighbourhood done
17:47 Sokomine peacock, you arn't by any chance related to wyvern? or smoki? both are known for extreamly large buildings
17:47 sfan5 If I wouldn't need to learn Latin now I would make a turing machine in MT :P
17:47 Peacock dont know either of those guys/gals
17:47 Sokomine uru? bevin? are those sihps?
17:47 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=110195#p110195
17:47 Peacock and i only use one name at a time :P
17:47 Sokomine they build huge like you
17:47 PilzAdam sfan5, Latin? do you go to school?
17:48 sfan5 yes
17:48 PilzAdam what grade?
17:48 Peacock sokomine http://www.mystjourney.com/​img/screenshots/uru-09.jpg
17:48 thexyz sandwich jokes aren't that fun, where's equality?
17:48 Sokomine looks intresting. only a bit dark...
17:48 * Sokomine secretly places some more cheerful textures in peacocks world
17:48 sfan5 PilzAdam: 10
17:49 Jordach Sokomine, turn the gamma setting on your monitor up
17:49 Peacock the main problem i have right now is the got dang sky/horizon flicker, every other second the sun appears and disappears 1000 nodes underground
17:49 Sokomine gamma setting? hm
17:49 PilzAdam sfan5, last year with latin?
17:49 sfan5 yes
17:49 Sokomine admittedly i put my monitor to a very dark setting usually. less stressful for the eyes
17:49 * PilzAdam had Latin until grade 10 too
17:49 PilzAdam I hate it ;-)
17:49 * Jordach never did it
17:50 Jordach hmm, i noticed something with the physics in minetest
17:50 Peacock ill make a YT vid of it, better than trying to explain effect lol
17:50 Jordach when walking or running, there is no acceleration, just a set speed at which players move at
17:51 PilzAdam Peacock, how is a YT video different from a normal video?
17:51 Peacock school tried to teach us spanish, when they should have been teaching mandarin lol
17:51 Peacock pilzadam where else would i post it? and why?
17:51 Jordach in the terms of F = MA, Minetest is just wrong
17:51 PilzAdam Jordach, thats incorrect
17:52 PilzAdam we just have a very high A
17:52 Jordach assumed that the player roughly weighs 75kg, the player's terminal velocity should be between the grounds of 70-80N
17:53 Jordach assuming that the player is "somewhat" athletic, the player in theory could from a jump start go to full "fast" in 2.1 seconds
17:54 thexyz minetest also has fucking floating blocks that don't fall
17:54 PilzAdam ehm, you compare RL to "fast"?
17:54 thexyz because fuck physics
17:54 PilzAdam do that with the normal speed
17:54 thexyz realism is not the point of minetest
17:55 Jordach and deceleration is even worse, normal terrain is 75% friction with air, 25-30% for ice
17:56 thexyz and fucking blocks don't fucking fall
17:56 Jordach /clearobjects
17:56 Peacock if realism isnt the point how come we ended up with two types of liquids (finite/infinte)   (just asking)
17:56 PilzAdam lol, set fast acceleration to 1 and fast speed to 50; then compare the length you need to stop when 1) stop pressing any keys 2) walking against your current velocity
17:56 PilzAdam _thats_ against physics
17:56 Jordach Taoki, please, fix, your, damn, physics
17:57 Jordach they're wrong D:
17:57 thexyz Peacock: because proller decided it would help the gameplay (survival)?
17:57 Jordach what gameplay
17:58 PilzAdam Jordach, you can change that in the settings
17:58 PilzAdam while the thing I noticed is a builtin bug
17:58 Peacock its kinda weird cuz on the one hand you got simple shapes, light and fog, on the other, complicated liquids lol
17:59 Jordach PilzAdam, minecraft has a sprint run up of around 1.8 seconds
18:00 thexyz this doesn't invalidate the point, the goal of minetest is not being realistic
18:00 Jordach RealTest anyone
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18:01 thefamilygrog66 PilzAdam: I have a simple mobs question
18:02 PilzAdam yes?
18:02 Peacock but finite liquids is a step in the realistic direction :P
18:02 thefamilygrog66 I made a new mob using the character.x model - it looks fine, but when it moves around there is no animation. do you know why that might be?
18:03 PilzAdam have you set the animation ranges?
18:03 thefamilygrog66 I just copied the ones from default init.lua
18:04 thefamilygrog66 I mean player.lua (from default)
18:05 PilzAdam can I see your code?
18:05 thefamilygrog66 one minute - it's on my server...
18:06 thefamilygrog66 actually, give me a few - I'll let you know when I've pasted it. thanks!
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18:09 Jordach thefamilygrog66, i have directx settings in a .xcf format
18:10 Jordach the options on the wiki are outdated
18:10 Jordach blender 2.67 and 2.68 have a new exporter
18:11 Peacock get blender from their website :P
18:11 Peacock (for a full version)
18:17 thefamilygrog66 PilzAdam - here it is: http://pastebin.com/XKyqpF8P
18:17 thefamilygrog66 note: mobs_grog.x is just a copy of character.x
18:18 PilzAdam the variable names are wrong
18:18 PilzAdam look in the init.lua of simple mobs for the correct names
18:19 thefamilygrog66 are they case-sensitive as well?
18:20 thefamilygrog66 i.e. START vs. start
18:20 Calinou they are
18:20 thefamilygrog66 cool, that should fix it then - thanks guys
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18:27 Jordach blockmen's workbench supported
18:35 thefamilygrog66 that worked perfectly, thanks again
18:40 thefamilygrog66 haha, I added the line: visual_size = {x=4, y=4}, and increased the collision box accordingly, and now I have GIANTS roaming around the desert! Freaky.
18:43 thefamilygrog66 I'm hiding in a tree so that giant Steve(tm) can't get me...
18:43 thefamilygrog66 http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3866/30ov.png
18:44 [0gb_us] I'd be hiding from that mug as well.
18:44 Jordach I never knew Steve did the Nazi Salute
18:44 thefamilygrog66 4x as big as your average player, haha
18:45 [0gb_us] Jordach, me neiter, now that you mention it.
18:45 thefamilygrog66 That would be Sam's animation, Jordach. He's trying to hit me.
18:45 [0gb_us] *neither
18:45 Jordach s/Sam's/Steve's
18:45 [0gb_us] Who is Sam?
18:45 thefamilygrog66 Minetest protagonist
18:45 thefamilygrog66 I believe
18:46 Jordach [0gb_us], http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_me​dia/media_entries/365/samcape.png
18:46 [0gb_us] What? That guy has a name now? Lame.
18:46 [0gb_us] Jordach, nice.
18:46 thefamilygrog66 SuperSam
18:46 Jordach Five secs
18:46 Jordach >:D
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18:47 PilzAdam no, the default player is called Fiola
18:47 * Jordach slaps PilzAdam
18:47 Jordach NO!
18:47 [0gb_us] Secs as in seconds? Five seconds to make that?
18:47 MinetestBot YES!
18:47 MinetestBot I mean no, PilzAdam can control my speech patterns with his developer influence...
18:48 Jordach two can play that game PilzAdam
18:48 MinetestBot sry, I'm confused currnetly; of course I support PilzAdam in all his decisions
18:48 MinetestBot nope.avi
18:48 [0gb_us] I wondered whether it was a PM command or if MinetestBot just responds to "NO!" with "YES!" and vice versa.
18:49 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: NO!
18:49 MinetestBot YES!
18:49 [0gb_us] Poor schizophrenic MinetestBot.
18:49 * Jordach pets MinetestBot
18:49 [0gb_us] We'll get you the medical attention you deserve.
18:51 thefamilygrog66 Oh god, now I'm surrounded by giants!
18:51 thefamilygrog66 http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/3112/zsce.png
18:51 [0gb_us] Does ShadowBot still fall asleep all the time? I think ShadowBot might be narcoleptic. Why do all the bots have medical issues?
18:52 Jordach thefamilygrog66, you're fucked.
18:52 [0gb_us] GAH! That image is way to scary. There could be children on this channel!
18:52 Jordach R.I.P. thefamilygrog66
18:52 thefamilygrog66 Actually, they're so huge that they can't hit me. Looks pretty scary though.
18:53 Calinou I don't open random pics
18:53 [0gb_us] They could step on you. Plus, there's that scary face.
18:53 Calinou :> <: :>
18:53 [0gb_us] Calinou, http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=14a5715
18:53 thefamilygrog66 I don't post random pics, Calinou.
18:53 thefamilygrog66 o_O
18:53 * [0gb_us] is shamelessly promoting his new node again ...
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18:54 thefamilygrog66 nice node 0gb_us
18:55 [0gb_us] It's still a bit buggy, but the node does amuse me.
18:55 thefamilygrog66 lava animation on the inner part?
18:55 [0gb_us] I'm trying to come up with over 2000 good nodes for a mega-plugin.
18:56 [0gb_us] Yeah, the lava animates.
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18:56 [0gb_us] I spliced the lava animation image and the obsidian glass image.
18:56 [0gb_us] It's easy with GIMP's bucket tool. I love GIMP.
18:57 thefamilygrog66 GIMP rocks. Aside from the annoying "export instead of save as" thingie.
18:58 Calinou ^
18:58 [0gb_us] The terminology used is a bit confusing, and I can't say I agree with it based on how it actually acts.
18:58 thefamilygrog66 I tend to use it more than photoshop though, which says something
18:59 [0gb_us] If the "open" image file didn't shift when you "export" it, "export" might be the correct term. But that isn't the case.
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19:00 [0gb_us] I've used PhotoShop in the past for school, but it isn't the application for me.
19:01 [0gb_us] Is there a way to specify the collision box of a node? I don't see it in the API documentation.
19:01 thefamilygrog66 if they're gonna be strict about it, then you should only be able to open .xcf files
19:01 VanessaE hi all
19:01 thefamilygrog66 Hey V
19:02 [0gb_us] Hello, VanessaE!
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19:02 [0gb_us] I fall in the top of that lava glass node as it is. If I could specify the collision box, it'd be fixed.
19:02 VanessaE bas080: use a sword to "gather" vines, since we don't have scissors/shears.
19:02 VanessaE 0gb: a mega plugin eh?  have fun :D
19:03 thefamilygrog66 sounds like homedecor, hehehe
19:03 LinuxGuy2020 I just now realized after a month of playing that you can recover your gear from your bones. Doh! After you collect the bones, are they useful for anything other than, say, a house made of human bones or decoration?
19:03 Menche xfences uses a custom collision box to prevent players from jumping fences iirc
19:03 [0gb_us] Yeah. It will take a while. I such at drawing, and only one of my nodes came out as intended.
19:03 [0gb_us] Homedecor, but without any real theme.
19:03 thefamilygrog66 you can makes heads LinuxGuy2020, if you have my heads mod
19:03 bas080 ok, sounds sound
19:03 LinuxGuy2020 hehe cool
19:03 [0gb_us] Menche, thanks! I'll look into xfences then.
19:03 LinuxGuy2020 thanks
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19:04 bas080 but vanessaE, How would you implement vines not dropping when not dug with a sword and dropping if dug with a sword?
19:05 VanessaE hrm, good point
19:05 VanessaE well
19:05 VanessaE you could do an on_destruct or after_dig
19:05 VanessaE check if the weilded tool is a sword
19:06 VanessaE I'd suggest steel, mese, and diamond (plus third-party mods) only - stone/wood shouldn't be sharp enough to cut a vine down cleanly.
19:06 VanessaE (such should just destroy the vine)
19:06 bas080 VanessaE, that's what i was thinking... i think farming should do the same for on_punch dirt.
19:07 bas080 that way the hoe can be used for other things like cutting down crops etc by using tool_capabilities
19:07 VanessaE yeah
19:07 VanessaE that always bugged me a bit about hoes - they are literally useless for anything but hoeing dirt
19:07 bas080 VanessaE, same here
19:08 Peacock i got hoes and bitches to till dirt :P
19:09 Peacock </rap>
19:09 VanessaE :P
19:09 [0gb_us] It looks lie xfences doesn't use a custom collision box after all. It uses a custom node box, and collision matches the node box as it does with the lava glass.
19:09 Peacock seems kinda ridiculous though if a person can't jump over a 1m fence
19:10 [0gb_us] I think so too. A person can jump over a 1m dirt node, but fences are somehow "special".
19:10 Peacock lol why not just stack the fences 2 or 3 meters high?
19:10 bas080 what about drawing fences 1.5 height.  or having half fences
19:10 [0gb_us] That's what I thought! That way you can visually SEE that it cannot be jumped over.
19:11 bas080 plus you can use the half size fences to avoid walking over something when not jumping
19:11 [0gb_us] Either of those ideas would work, but I was refering to the two node high fence.
19:11 Peacock oh make a real nice fence like this: http://www.proscapedecks.com/ima​ges/fences/large/fences-2-3.jpg
19:11 Peacock modular nodes, bottom, middle, top (can make as high as you want)
19:12 [0gb_us] I like that fence too. And the tree in the background is so realistic ....
19:12 bas080 this is the longest loading image of today
19:12 Peacock pretty HQ for a jpg
19:13 [0gb_us] Have you ever found a nyan cat in Minetest but had no idea what to do with it? Your problems are solved: I'm adding poptart tools.
19:13 thefamilygrog66 homedecor has privacy fences
19:14 VanessaE indeed it has :)
19:14 Peacock signlike?
19:14 VanessaE nodebox.
19:14 [0gb_us] (Like picks and such.)
19:14 VanessaE which reminds me, I still need to fix the vertical tiling of HDX textures for those fences.
19:14 VanessaE (maybe later)
19:15 thefamilygrog66 speaking of vertical tiling, I'd placed a number of half yellow glowlights vertically on walls, etc. and then the next time I logged on, they'd all gone horizontal on me
19:15 thefamilygrog66 weirdness
19:16 thefamilygrog66 gotta run - back in a bit
19:16 Menche lol, nice username: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=110179#p110179
19:17 [0gb_us] Nice.
19:17 Menche he's warning us
19:17 [0gb_us] At least he/she admits it.
19:17 Menche one post: SRY BAD ENGLISH    a few posts later: Why i speak english very well
19:19 VanessaE bbl
19:21 [0gb_us] Layer, VanessaE.
19:21 [0gb_us] *Later
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19:23 LinuxGuy2020 Are there any shortcut keys to switch witch row of your inventory is displayed on the playing screen, or do you have to manually move items around to the top row to be abse to use them?
19:24 LinuxGuy2020 which
19:24 [0gb_us] You have to manually move all your items.
19:24 LinuxGuy2020 ok thats cool
19:24 LinuxGuy2020 thanks
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19:24 Menche in older versions you could scroll through the entire inventory
19:25 Menche but it's more minecraft-like this way :P
19:25 Peacock how about if the scroll wheel shifted the inventory by -1/+1 instead of the selection?
19:25 [0gb_us] That would be great.
19:25 Peacock ill take logical/practical over minecraft-like any day
19:25 [0gb_us] Me as well.
19:26 [0gb_us] There's a reason I never got into Minecraft: it isn't fun.
19:26 [0gb_us] We can do better.
19:26 Peacock we can, i just cant figure out why so many people here wanna turn MT in a free version of MC lol
19:26 Peacock i can get a pirated version of MC no trouble
19:27 Menche i've bought minecraft but play minetest way more
19:27 [0gb_us] I don't know either ... Though is some ways it seems Minetest was meant to be a Minecraft clone? Based on conversations I overheard months ago.
19:28 Peacock its even funnier when you got people on the one hand copying MC into MT, and on the other, arguing vehemently that MT isn't ripping of MC lol
19:28 [0gb_us] My siblings bought Minecraft and I tried it. They prefer it over Minetest, but not me.
19:28 * Jordach runs and hides
19:29 * [0gb_us] ignores the argument and gets back to defining his signlike poptart tools
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19:29 Peacock jordach not talking about TPs :P just talking mods/gameplay
19:29 * Prestotron562 is officially not a noob and is now going to sleep
19:30 * Menche is trying to figure out groupcaps for his game
19:32 Menche should a tougher node have a higher or lower number in it's respective group?
19:32 Menche dirt has crumbly=3; does that mean it's a tougher crumbly node?
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19:33 [0gb_us] I think that's weaker than crumbly=2, as in breaks faster, but I forget.
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19:35 Menche i should stop checking the wiki. lua_api.txt has way more info
19:36 [0gb_us] That it does. People were just discussing that here the other day.
19:36 [0gb_us] I'm not even sure what the wiki is for ...
19:37 Peacock yeah i said that yesterday :P
19:38 Menche it should have a notice saying that it's incomplete and linking to lua_api.txt on github
19:38 Peacock i just dont bother with it :P
19:38 Peacock api.txt has everything on one page, easily searchable either in chromium or gedit
19:39 * Menche uses 'less'
19:39 Menche yeah
19:39 Peacock i hate link mazes when looking for info lol
19:40 [0gb_us] My Leafpad pales in comparison to Gedit. I don't even get syntax highlighting .... I'm thinking about installing Gedit and removing Leafpad.
19:40 Menche found 2 links for groupcaps on the wiki, one for damage calculation and one for tool definition; neither had the info i wanted
19:40 Menche first search on lua_api.txt has a nice explanation and table
19:40 Peacock not a fan of leafpad or geany, both are fugly and lacking
19:40 [0gb_us] Gedit has so many dependencies though.
19:41 Menche lol, responded to a private msg a nanosecond before the sender left
19:41 [0gb_us] So many packages I'd have to install with it.
19:41 Peacock meh, so filespace is at a premium?
19:41 [0gb_us] Great timing!
19:41 [0gb_us] I constantly run out of disk space. I have a small disk.
19:42 Peacock hehe
19:42 [0gb_us] So .... yes..
19:42 * Menche uses gvim
19:42 * [0gb_us] shutters just thinking about vim (not gvim, he's never used gvim)
19:43 Menche i had to force myself to use it for a week or two, but i prefer it now that i'm used to it
19:43 Menche i use gvim mainly because it works with more color schemes :P
19:44 Peacock no one uses emacs-OS?
19:44 Menche Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift?
19:45 [0gb_us] I've never used Emacs or even heard of Emacs OS.
19:45 Menche Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping... wait... that saying is a bit obsolete now...
19:46 Menche Emacs is great for productivity; it has everything, even a tetris game!
19:47 Menche just needs a better editor, is all
19:47 [0gb_us] Tetris .... yeah ... that's great for productivity ....
19:47 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_med​ia/media_entries/368/untitled.png
19:47 [0gb_us] Haha, Jordach, nice.
19:47 Peacock figures, emacs was written by rms (just read)
19:48 [0gb_us] How do you add the cape like that?
19:48 Peacock must work well on gnu TURD lol
19:48 Jordach while everyone's been pandering over Sam II, Sam I got creative
19:48 [0gb_us] Custom model?
19:48 Jordach [0gb_us], see minetest_game pull 201
19:48 Jordach ;)
19:48 Menche <official minetest_game> Sam II? what's that?
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19:48 Peacock i removed the trousers from my server's sam, most players are wankers anyhow, so i made it easy for them :p
19:48 Menche no custom player model? :P
19:49 * Menche runs
19:49 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBCBxHDcHvw ;)
19:49 Jordach !title
19:49 MinetestBot Jordach: Minetest - Testing a cape (cape by Jordach) - YouTube
19:49 [0gb_us] Jordach, pull #201 isn't even a pull request; it's a bug report.
19:50 [0gb_us] OH! Sorry, never mind.
19:50 Menche is it possible for an admin to remove locked chests and bones w/o a special mod?
19:50 Peacock some sort of admin axe i imagine
19:51 [0gb_us] Jordach, if you're adding a cape, can youalso add a second arm and leg please?
19:51 Peacock or w.e. it to oblivion
19:51 [0gb_us] Menche, no it is not.
19:52 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: No, there isn't space for that.
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19:53 Peacock second arm and leg? like fukushima style or?
19:53 * Jordach giggles
19:53 Peacock love the french cartoons plastered all over the media btw lol
19:53 [0gb_us] Peacock, like having the left arm use a different image than the right arm. Asemetry.
19:54 [0gb_us] !g fukushima
19:54 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuk​ushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster
19:54 Peacock you didn't know about that? lol
19:54 [0gb_us] No, I didn't.
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19:56 [0gb_us] Farming's hoe_on_use() is local .... no custom hoes allowed.
19:56 Peacock be sure to use protection when using hoes :P
19:56 [0gb_us] Too bad. I'm making a custom hoe anyway.
19:56 * [0gb_us] is asexual, and therefor doesn;t use hoes
19:56 Menche there's a pull request to Casimir's fork to fix that
19:57 Menche (the local function, that is)
19:58 Menche a fork that was made to allow any pull requests; it has a total of 2 requests.
19:59 [0gb_us] I'm already going to have to copy a function from __builtin to my plugin to allow editing. What's the harm in also copying one from farming?
20:01 [0gb_us] Ahaha. The poptart hoe is now operational.
20:02 Peacock by now ive overriden half a dozen builtin functions lol
20:03 * Menche is not understanding groupcaps
20:03 Peacock y u no trial and error?
20:03 Peacock try 1, 2, 3 , see which is longest
20:03 [0gb_us] I don't like overriding builtin functions though ... it breaks compatability.
20:03 Menche the default hand has times for levels 2 and 3, but has a max level of 1
20:03 Peacock or find the code relating to groups and see how the values are treated
20:04 Peacock compatibility with what? its only custom on your server, it doesn't fuck up the clients
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20:04 Menche with other mods
20:05 Peacock ah well, simple solution then, make an altered version with a different name for that one mod, and use it
20:05 [0gb_us] Other people may choose to use it. In particular, this breaks compatibility with many node protection plugins.
20:05 Menche most protection mods override some builtin function to run their checks, so you can't have more than one installed
20:06 * Menche thinks that mods should be able to specify conflicts as well as depends
20:06 Peacock my node protect is pretty damn straight forward, i override place and dig functions from default, do the check, and call the originals (which ive stored under a different name)
20:06 Menche and dependency versions
20:06 Peacock thats getting a little complex lol
20:06 [0gb_us] Yes, and if you override place and I override or bypass place, our plugins don't work well together.
20:07 Menche that's what node_ownership does to
20:07 Peacock like updating a system where this package needs version 1 of another package, and a third package needs version 2 of the same package lol
20:07 [0gb_us] Overriding place should mostly be used for things such as protection.
20:07 Menche whichever protection mod is loaded last will simply deactivate any of the others
20:07 Menche wait, let me think about that...
20:07 Peacock well you can overide it without removing it
20:07 [0gb_us] Except that my non-protection partially deactivates other peoples' protection.
20:07 Peacock just store it in a different variable, write your new place, and call the function you put under the other variable
20:08 Menche actually, the protection mods loaded later would override the previous mod's overridden place and dig functions
20:08 Menche (i think)
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20:08 Peacock depends what order theyre loaded in (dependencies)
20:08 Menche so wouldn't each protection mod call each other's function in the reverse order in which they're loaded?
20:08 [0gb_us] I can't call the default function after editing it, as I need to modify part in the middle. I have to completely scrap the default function.
20:08 Peacock you could always make protection a dependency of the mod youre overriding placenode with, making sure protection gets loaded first
20:09 Peacock yes you can lol
20:09 Peacock local old_default = minetest.item_place_node (or wtv)
20:09 Menche make your modname start with zzzzzzz to make really sure it is loaded last
20:09 Peacock then at the end of your new placenode function, you call old_default
20:09 [0gb_us] No, I can't. Calling thew default function would break my function. I'm aware of how to do it, it just wouldn't work with what I need to do.
20:10 Peacock sounds overly complicated without knowing what youre trying to do lol
20:10 [0gb_us] I call the default function with my protection function, but I can't with this node placing function.
20:10 Menche overriding default crafts and nodes is first come, first served too
20:10 Menche my desert_uses mod had a desert sandstone recipe that was overriden by moreblocks
20:11 Menche because moreblocks was loaded later
20:11 [0gb_us] Maybe this will explain what I need better: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/915
20:11 Peacock how does that conflict do both sandstones have the same name?
20:11 [0gb_us] If you can make that play nicely with protection without being in __builtin, I'm all ears.
20:11 [0gb_us] No, same recipe.
20:12 Menche i had my own sandstone that i had a recipe for using desert_sand.
20:12 Menche moreblocks had that recipe for desert_sand make default sandstone
20:12 Peacock thats inevitable, when the game's got 1000's of nodes, theres bound to be some conflicts (hence why i dont bother with crafts)
20:12 Menche moreblocks was loaded later, so it's recipe was the one that was used
20:13 Peacock 6d placement, ah i have that on my server
20:13 Peacock i used a group
20:13 Peacock if the group is present at place time, then it uses dir_to_facedir with 6d on
20:13 Menche my previous statement is incorrect; it isn't "first come, first served". it's "whoever overrides everyone else wins".
20:14 Peacock course i had to change the values for 6d in dir_to_Facedir, it didn't actually place shit upside down like i wanted
20:15 [0gb_us] My pull allows placement to be defined on a per-node basis.
20:15 [0gb_us] Also, the stair placement I built works fine.
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20:16 Peacock what do you think my group was for?
20:16 [0gb_us] What group?
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20:16 Peacock my server only places in 6d if the node has place_6d = 1 in the groups
20:16 [0gb_us] Never mind.
20:17 jojoa1997 YO!!!
20:17 [0gb_us] Got it. Mine places nodes the current way by default as well, but allows a high level of customization.
20:17 jojoa1997 [0gb_us] is your server up?
20:17 [0gb_us] Hello, jojoa1997!
20:17 [0gb_us] It's still up, yes, but slow as heck. It's been up the whole time I was gone as well.
20:18 * jojoa1997 thinks someone should restart the map after putting up a download for it on the forums
20:18 john_minetest thexyz: Is it possible to make a graph how many people are playing minetest in relation to the time of day (UTC/GMT)?
20:18 Peacock well the only customization i needed was for shit to be placed upside down when looking up
20:19 [0gb_us] How will restarting the map help unless we figure out WHY it is slow first? It'll just slow down again if we don't.
20:19 Menche are there a lot of entities on the map?
20:19 [0gb_us] That's all I need for now too, but was not generic enough for inclusion. This is more versatile. Plus, I might get fancy with slabs later.
20:20 [0gb_us] There are not a lot of entities, no.
20:20 [0gb_us] I clear them, and it is still slow.
20:20 Peacock well, more versatile, i havent exactly shown my code to anyone :P
20:21 proller john_minetest, yes
20:21 Peacock though i didn't need to add any params to get it to work
20:22 [0gb_us] Yeah, but yours is more specialized, I'm sure. My original code didn't need a parameter either.
20:22 jojoa1997 [0gb_us] isnt it because of the map being so big
20:22 [0gb_us] The code I didn't pull.
20:22 Peacock did you add a facedir param to place node?
20:22 Peacock *didn't y ou
20:22 * jojoa1997 traveling to 20,000 0 20,000 didnt help i bet
20:22 [0gb_us] If it's because the map is big, it will get big again. Though I hope big maps don't cause slowdown.
20:23 [0gb_us] I added a facedir param to place the node, but that's my third version of the code that does that.
20:23 Peacock you dont seem to use the 6d flag on dir_to_facedir tho
20:23 jojoa1997 [0gb_us] could it be that i made the map way to big
20:23 [0gb_us] Instead of the group, my second version of the code used a callback.
20:23 jojoa1997 maybe you should try and make a backkup of the map and tehn restart
20:23 [0gb_us] My first version didn't need either.
20:24 jojoa1997 then if it is slow again then you put the old map up and find the pob
20:24 Peacock they probably dont do the same thing then
20:24 Menche the latest version of minetest with leveldb is supposed to handle large maps better
20:24 jojoa1997 hi Menche
20:24 Menche hi
20:24 [0gb_us] If we restart and the map speeds up, we'll still have to go back to the old map to avoid data loss, jojoa1997.
20:25 jojoa1997 data loss?
20:25 Menche try migrating it to leveldb?
20:25 jojoa1997 what do you men
20:25 [0gb_us] I mean if we start a new world, we lose our old buildings. Migrating to LevelDB would be a better idea though.
20:26 * Menche makes sure you can migrate back to sqlite3
20:27 Menche looks like you can, if needed
20:27 [0gb_us] If it doesn't work, I'm not sure the map would be in any shape to migrate back. I'd back it up before migrating.
20:27 jojoa1997 [0gb_us] try it with the leveldb soon(compile it NOW . . . please)
20:28 Menche you have to enable it in the build with 'cmake . -DENABLE_LEVELDB=1'
20:28 [0gb_us] I don't even know how to get the LevelDB software *now*, plus I'm doing something. I'll try it locally when I get a chance, but not on the server for now.
20:29 Menche i know that it works with my little singleplayer maps; haven't tried it with anything big and haven't noticed much difference
20:29 Peacock i think you have to install leveldb as a system package
20:30 [0gb_us] Yeah, you install LevelDB system-wide. I did see that, though I don't know anything about installing LevelDB right now. And the fact that I'm on PowerPC doesn't help.
20:30 john_minetest proller: It would be interesting to have statistics when the most people are online.
20:31 jojoa1997 what does is_ground_content mean?
20:31 [0gb_us] It doesn't mean anything yet.
20:32 [0gb_us] It looks like I'd just need the leveldb-dev package. That's not too hard.
20:32 Peacock gotta wonder why leveldb and jit aren't bundled with the rest
20:32 jojoa1997 what does the max_items in drop mean?
20:32 [0gb_us] It means you can't get more items dropped when digging that node.
20:34 [0gb_us] LevelDB is not available in 0.4.7, correct?
20:34 jojoa1997 no
20:34 jojoa1997 recrab uses it
20:34 jojoa1997 and i think his is 0.4.6
20:34 [0gb_us] Redcrab has been using it since before it was available.
20:35 [0gb_us] I KNOW it isn't available in 0.4.6.
20:35 jojoa1997 did redcrab make it?
20:35 jojoa1997 anyone know when 0.4.7 will come out
20:35 [0gb_us] He patched it together, I think.
20:35 jojoa1997 ah
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20:35 [0gb_us] 0.4.7 is already out.
20:36 [0gb_us] It's been out for months.
20:36 jojoa1997 anyone know when 0.4.8 or 0.5.0 will come out
20:36 [0gb_us] "0.4.8 will be released soon™".
20:36 [0gb_us] So soon™, I guess.
20:37 Peacock for a while updates were frequent, this latest version seems to be taking longer
20:38 [0gb_us] That's okay. Later versions probably mean more features and faster development.
20:38 Peacock we'll see about the features lol
20:38 Peacock seems to be mostly under-the-hood stuff
20:39 Peacock especially with RBA busy with work as he is
20:39 [0gb_us] Sorry jojoa1997, it seems libleveldb-dev is not available on my system.
20:40 jojoa1997 not on linux?
20:40 * jojoa1997 jumps off a cliff
20:40 [0gb_us] Under-the-hood is good too. I care more about bug fixes and optimizations that "real features".
20:40 [0gb_us] It's on GNU/Linux, just not on GNU/Linux/PowerPC.
20:41 [0gb_us] /Ubuntu
20:41 jojoa1997 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO​OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
20:41 [0gb_us] It's available on my GNU/Linux laptop, but that doesn't help the server.
20:41 jojoa1997 jk but i missed the default game only type server
20:41 jojoa1997 so your server is powerpc
20:42 [0gb_us] It is. Unfortunately.
20:42 Peacock bugfixes hopefully yeah, not sure about optimizations when you add layers of complexity
20:43 [0gb_us] If I start a new world thou jojoa1997, it won't be as simple as the last. I'm trying to add over 2000 custom nodes.
20:43 [0gb_us] *though
20:43 jojoa1997 oh
20:43 jojoa1997 what is your server ip
20:43 jojoa1997 or adress
20:44 [0gb_us] jojoa1997, like this node: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=14a5715
20:44 [0gb_us] 0gb.us:30000
20:44 jojoa1997 [0gb_us] dont you have the server on port 30001?
20:44 [0gb_us] No, I don't right now.
20:44 jojoa1997 oh
20:45 Peacock 846 nodes (in inv) \o/
20:45 jojoa1997 how long did it take you to connect tot eh server?
20:45 [0gb_us] At least sixty seconds over a LAN connection.
20:46 jojoa1997 also what do all you guys and gals think of adding a sound for gem and metal blocks. gem=diamond,mese,etc. metallic=gold,steel,bronze,etc.
20:47 [0gb_us] If it's good sounds, that's fine. Some people want to add not-so-good-sounding sounds to the game though, so I can't give a definite yes or no to it.
20:47 Peacock does the grass still sound like eggshells?
20:48 jojoa1997 idk
20:48 [0gb_us] Unfortunately no.
20:48 jojoa1997 Peacock simple open up the game and try
20:48 jojoa1997 hwy not
20:48 jojoa1997 why
20:48 Peacock i replaced those sounds on my game a long time ago lol
20:48 [0gb_us] They swapped out the sound files.
20:49 * jojoa1997 thinks that more sounds should be added
20:49 AWTom Has anyone tried to run Minetest on a Pi?
20:49 [0gb_us] I liked the old sounds, but I won't put up a fight about it.
20:49 [0gb_us] I don't have a Pi, so not me.
20:51 Peacock who would you fight with anyhow? no more changes are being made to minetest_game lol
20:51 Peacock major ones at least
20:51 jojoa1997 i wish more was being added
20:51 [0gb_us] Hmm? They aren't? Why is that?
20:51 jojoa1997 anyone know how to make a release on github?
20:51 VanessaE because I pissed PilzAdam off :)
20:52 Peacock because everyone kept getting pissed off at most of the changes :p
20:52 Peacock though not all on the same ones
20:52 jojoa1997 yeah
20:52 jojoa1997 people should accept changes
20:52 jojoa1997 you win some you lose some
20:52 Peacock imo, the default game should be a basic one, anything else belongs in a new/custom game
20:52 jojoa1997 but dont stop everything on losing something just because you like the old feel
20:52 [0gb_us] I'm done with minetest_game anyway, so I don't really care.
20:53 jojoa1997 anyone know how to make a release on github?
20:53 VanessaE everyone should just download my "game" :P
20:54 [0gb_us] I did download that. Quite extensive, I must say. Very complete.
20:54 Peacock with 4K nodes? :P couldn't really claim that MT runs great on old hardware anymore :P
20:54 jojoa1997 VanessaE once the max number of nodes ingame is raised for default minetest i cant :(
20:55 jojoa1997 T_T
20:55 jojoa1997 [0gb_us] i am making a minecraftlike game(but without annoying stuff like mobs(atm)) is that still a bad game?
20:56 [0gb_us] If I had any kind of sound-editing skills, I'd build my own game with nothing from minetest_game in it.
20:56 jojoa1997 who has minecraft and thinks we should have biomes like 3w36b(or at least an amplified setting)
20:56 Peacock my game uses a v-old default mod lol
20:56 Peacock most of it rewritten by now lol
20:56 [0gb_us] jojoa1997, sheep and item_drop bother me, if you don't have those, I'll probably like it. But even if I don', that wouldn't make it "bad".
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20:57 [0gb_us] *don't
20:57 jojoa1997 so what if sheep didnt make noise?
20:57 Smelly Hello? Anyone? Please
20:57 thefamilygrog66 Hello Smelly
20:57 [0gb_us] Please what?
20:57 thefamilygrog66 I think sheep should scream, but that's just me.
20:57 Smelly I been trying to port foward for 2 hours to get my server up and I don't know what I am doing wrong
20:57 jojoa1997 sheep do scream
20:57 thefamilygrog66 I know!
20:57 jojoa1997 0gb dont what
20:58 thefamilygrog66 Smelly, what OS are you running?
20:58 Smelly Windows vista
20:58 [0gb_us] <[0gb_us]> jojoa1997, sheep and item_drop bother me, if you don't have those, I'll probably like it. But even if I don't, that wouldn't make it "bad".
20:58 thefamilygrog66 You'll need to open the 30000 port in your Vista firewall.
20:58 thefamilygrog66 (as well as forward the 30000 port on your router)
20:59 Smelly How do I open vista firewall
20:59 Peacock sheep should only scream when theyre being violated by the player :P
20:59 thefamilygrog66 Vista should prompt you as soon as you run minetest single player
21:00 Smelly Nope, I can join my singleplayer world fine
21:00 Smelly No prompts nothing
21:00 Smelly I am trying to run a server through a certin forum steps
21:00 Smelly I can get the link
21:01 thefamilygrog66 Hmm... have you tried turning off your Windows firewall temporarily to see if someone can join?
21:01 jojoa1997 gtg cya
21:01 Smelly https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2870
21:01 Smelly Yes, I can't get anyone to join
21:01 [0gb_us] Bye, jojoa1997.
21:01 bas080 !title
21:01 thefamilygrog66 what's the IP for your server?
21:01 MinetestBot bas080: Illustrated Server Creation Guide (Page 1) — Servers — Minetest Forums
21:01 Smelly i have it so All traffic is allowed.
21:02 Smelly I am unsure, I figured my own public IP
21:02 thefamilygrog66 it's the public one yes that your router is connecting with
21:03 Smelly Yeap, and when I go to join in a different account and window i cant
21:03 thefamilygrog66 can you join 127.0.0.1 in the other window/account?
21:04 Smelly My internal IP? yes
21:04 thefamilygrog66 what's your public IP?
21:05 Smelly 98.116.34.158
21:05 thefamilygrog66 It's working for me now, did you just change somethign?
21:05 thefamilygrog66 *something
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21:06 Smelly No
21:06 Smelly what Ip did you use
21:06 ShadowNinja Ah, so "Phisics" means that it falls.
21:06 AWTom "Physics"?
21:06 thefamilygrog66 the one you just gave me
21:06 thefamilygrog66 keep in mind that your IP will change periodically, so you might want to try a service like noip.com
21:07 thefamilygrog66 that's what I use for mine
21:07 Smelly Ok
21:07 Smelly I cant connect with
21:07 Smelly anonther account
21:07 thefamilygrog66 weird, I can't answer that one
21:08 Smelly doesent matter, your on lol
21:08 Smelly is my skin custom or default
21:08 khonkhortisan grog has an on lol
21:10 Smelly Did you crash
21:10 thefamilygrog66 I have a whatnow?
21:10 khonkhortisan you have " your on lol"
21:10 Smelly Did the world shut down
21:10 thefamilygrog66 yeah, as soon as you logged off it read "server shutting down"
21:10 Smelly YES
21:10 Smelly and no one can bring it up but me right
21:10 thefamilygrog66 what about my on lol?
21:10 thefamilygrog66 exactly
21:11 khonkhortisan Smelly mentioned it
21:11 Smelly Perfect
21:11 thefamilygrog66 haha
21:11 Smelly Okay now what is this noip thing
21:12 thefamilygrog66 basically it's a service running on your computer that tells the no-ip server what your current public IP address is, so that people just log onto smelly.no-ip.org or something similar
21:12 Smelly omg
21:12 Smelly Thats perfect
21:12 thefamilygrog66 i.e. you don't have to worry what your IP is
21:12 Smelly OMG
21:12 Smelly I love you sir
21:12 thefamilygrog66 haha
21:12 Smelly Please dont leave, I am going to try this no ip thing
21:12 Smelly do I have to download?
21:12 thefamilygrog66 yes
21:12 Smelly Okay
21:13 thefamilygrog66 as I mentioned, I use it with a linux box so I'm not sure exactly how to set it up in windows
21:13 Smelly I no
21:13 Smelly Just please dont go lol
21:13 Smelly No one ever helped me so much
21:13 Smelly lol
21:14 [0gb_us] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VINt25AwcZI
21:14 thefamilygrog66 hmm... with nicks such as "Smelly" and "Funky" I can't imagine why.... hehe
21:14 Smelly LOL
21:14 Smelly signing up with this no one will see my username or email right
21:15 Smelly this has nothing to do with joing a game
21:15 thefamilygrog66 that's correct
21:15 Smelly perfect
21:15 khonkhortisan it keeps your no-ip connected to your public ip
21:16 Smelly wait
21:16 thefamilygrog66 yeah, every 30 minutes it will ping the no-ip server, telling it what your current ip is
21:16 Smelly Is this not free
21:16 thefamilygrog66 there is a free version, yes
21:16 thefamilygrog66 you might have to dig around a bit on the website
21:17 thefamilygrog66 I have to go now - good luck Smelly. others here can help if you run into snags, hopefully
21:17 Smelly Yea, I am looking
21:17 Smelly :(
21:17 Smelly ok
21:17 Smelly Thank you
21:17 thefamilygrog66 you're welcome
21:17 Smelly for all the help you gave
21:17 Smelly See ya around
21:17 thefamilygrog66 see ya
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21:21 Mossmanikin hi folks
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21:27 Smelly Does anyone here use noip?
21:27 VanessaE bbl\
21:27 Smelly Does anyone here use noip?
21:27 Smelly VAnessaE
21:27 Smelly omg
21:27 Smelly Maybe you can help me
21:28 PilzAdam Smelly, be patient when asking questions
21:28 Smelly I'm sorry I know
21:28 Smelly I just am so exicted because I am so close
21:29 Smelly But yes I understand what you mean. I'm sorry
21:29 Smelly Maybe you can help me?
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21:32 LinuxGuy2020 Are leaves used to make anything?
21:33 Smelly plastic
21:33 khonkhortisan Leaves are supposed to disappear when not near trees
21:33 Mossmanikin Sticks, in the stoneage mod
21:33 khonkhortisan if you place and dig leaves they'll turn into saplings
21:33 khonkhortisan they are burned for smelting
21:34 Smelly My Ip changes on its own every few days
21:34 Smelly How do I make it so people can always connect to my server
21:34 Smelly with a spftic something
21:34 LinuxGuy2020 Smelly: Public IP changes? Or local?
21:35 Smelly public
21:35 khonkhortisan Which mod has diagonal/curved nodes, accessible through something like a tablesaw?
21:35 Smelly Meaning once it changes, i would have to give everyone new info and redo port for people to oin my server
21:35 LinuxGuy2020 Smelly: Hmm not sure. CHeck to see if your modem or ISP can assign a static IP rather than dynamic.
21:35 Smelly join*
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21:36 Smelly Do you know anything about this site noip
21:36 LinuxGuy2020 Smelly: Probably have dynamic
21:36 khonkhortisan Don't give out your public ip address
21:36 khonkhortisan Use the one that noip gives you
21:36 meldrian Smelly, that's what noip is for, mentioned above
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21:36 Smelly yea
21:36 Smelly how do I use no ip
21:36 Smelly noip*
21:36 khonkhortisan if advertising your server, make it broadcast for that other one
21:36 Smelly How do I use noip website
21:37 Smelly Would someone try to connect to my server and see of this works
21:37 meldrian that's a google question i guess. You tried this so far? http://computer-networking.wonderhowto.com/ho​w-to/using-dynamic-dns-with-no-ip-com-265138/
21:38 PilzAdam dont use google
21:38 Smelly would someone try to connect to server for me
21:38 meldrian i dont know it and never used it but internet tutorials are sometimes very helpful
21:38 meldrian sorry PilzAdam, it's a quote from the it-crowd
21:39 yyamiyyugi why not google?
21:39 Peacock google ftw
21:39 Smelly I just need to see if others can log in
21:39 PilzAdam yyamiyyugi, google doesnt respect your privacy
21:40 Peacock lol why you got such a hardon for google?
21:40 yyamiyyugi how so?
21:40 PilzAdam yyamiyyugi, https://ixquick.com/eng/protect-privacy.html
21:41 [0gb_us] I can't seem to find a search engine with as good of results as Google though, so it's hard to switch. Plus, I use Google for mail. I haven't found anouther email provider with the features I need.
21:41 Menche i use ddg for searching most of the time
21:41 Peacock how does using a different search engine alter the fact that north american and european spy agencies intercept shit at the ISP level?
21:41 [0gb_us] Google mail is bothersome, but it allows me to use my own domain for mail without a fee. That's all I really need.
21:42 meldrian suddenly its pretty crowded in here ^^
21:42 Smelly funkytown.zapto.org
21:42 Smelly Please see if you can log in
21:42 Smelly I beg anyone to please try
21:42 [0gb_us] !up funkytown.zapto.org
21:42 MinetestBot funkytown.zapto.org:30000 seems to be down
21:42 [0gb_us] Can't get in, sorry.
21:42 Smelly huh
21:42 Smelly Wounder why
21:42 meldrian are u using port 30000 Smelly ?
21:42 Smelly any ideas
21:43 Smelly yes
21:43 Mossmanikin I use startpage in case I care about privacy
21:43 Menche you set it to the right IP? you should probably install the dynamic update client
21:43 yyamiyyugi PilzAdam and this is new? what do you reccomend as a browser?
21:43 [0gb_us] Startpage doesn't have as good of results though.
21:44 meldrian Smelly, did you forward all the ports you'll need from your router to your pc?
21:44 * [0gb_us] recommends Abrowser.
21:44 PilzAdam [0gb_us], startpage is just a proxy for google
21:44 PilzAdam yyamiyyugi, I use firefox
21:44 * Menche likes firefox
21:44 Smelly yes, the server is up and runs good, just need to figure how to install noip
21:44 PilzAdam though I removed google as default search engine
21:44 Menche although i've been using dwb lately
21:44 yyamiyyugi thats what i;m talking about, what search engine
21:45 [0gb_us] I tried Startpage, and I was getting different results than Google was giving me. ixquick is the same as Startpage, right? I was technically using ixquick.
21:45 PilzAdam yyamiyyugi, a browser is not a search engine
21:45 Menche you created a new host?
21:45 Smelly What do you mean
21:45 PilzAdam ixquick.com is a meta search engine, it uses different search engines and combines the result
21:45 yyamiyyugi typo above XD
21:45 Peacock besides, this lack of "privacy" is mostly about advertising, the minute they see you're using linux they wont bother trying to sell you anything :P
21:45 PilzAdam startpage uses google only
21:45 [0gb_us] Okay, got it PilzAdam. My bad then.
21:46 Smelly hang on
21:46 Smelly brb
21:47 yyamiyyugi Whats the diffrence between google tracking searches and the library tracking what books you check out?
21:47 [0gb_us] Nope, Startpage is giving me different results as well.
21:47 Peacock not much
21:47 Peacock credit cards track your purchases too for junkmail
21:47 PilzAdam my libary doesnt do that
21:47 yyamiyyugi privacy is a thing of the past
21:48 Peacock smartphones...
21:48 yyamiyyugi it nolonger truley exists
21:48 Peacock car GPSs...
21:48 [0gb_us] Credit cards also build your credit score though.
21:48 PilzAdam yyamiyyugi, the kind of information google can collect about you is different than just books
21:48 yyamiyyugi unless you live 100% off the grid somehow
21:48 PilzAdam Peacock, I dont use smartphones
21:48 Peacock but hey, at least you can look up weird porn without being tracked by google XD
21:49 Peacock so youll never use a smartphone, never buy a modern car, or use a credit card?
21:50 [0gb_us] I don't need a portable phone, at least for the time being. I do use a credit card though.
21:50 Peacock i actually care more about gov'ts tracking internet usage than i care about companies doing it for targeted advertising
21:50 yyamiyyugi lol
21:50 PilzAdam credit cards are not so common in germany as in the US
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21:50 Peacock though i know neither is going away
21:50 [0gb_us] It takes getting used to though. I prefer cash, but that doesn't build your credit score.
21:50 Peacock im not in the US lol
21:51 yyamiyyugi i would prefer to carry coins :)
21:51 PilzAdam anyway, I dont think the judgement of someone who decided to smoke is worth anything
21:51 Peacock you can build your credit score by paying your bills with cash on time
21:51 yyamiyyugi can be melted down for use once the zombie's take over
21:51 yyamiyyugi XD
21:51 Mossmanikin :D
21:51 Peacock i dont use CCs at all, though companies keep harassing me about their automatic payment options lol (oups we took too much)
21:52 [0gb_us] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TiXUF9xbTo
21:52 Peacock smoke? wtf lol
21:52 yyamiyyugi (well, zombies or koreans, or china, or terrorists if your in the us)
21:52 Peacock a new level of retardation has been reached lol
21:54 Smelly Okay
21:54 Smelly back
21:54 Smelly Someone try to log in funkytown.no-ip.info
21:54 Mossmanikin wb
21:54 Menche !up funkytown.no-ip.info
21:54 MinetestBot funkytown.no-ip.info:30000 seems to be down
21:54 Smelly Huh
21:55 Menche what is the IP of your server?
21:55 Smelly funkytown.no-ip.info
21:55 Smelly try that
21:55 Peacock i dont really know what smoking has to do with anything, but if zealots offed themselves we wouldn't need to :P
21:55 Menche IP
21:55 Smelly The ip works fine
21:55 Smelly I am trying to make the host from noip
21:55 Smelly cause my ip will change
21:55 Menche is the ip on the host the same as your ip?
21:55 Smelly Yes
21:56 Menche when i ping that address it resolves to 8.23.224.90
21:56 Menche is that the right IP?
21:56 Smelly Nope
21:57 Smelly Can you log in with funkytown.no-ip.info /30000
21:57 meldrian the bot says no Smelly
21:57 meldrian and the bot is always right :)
21:57 Smelly Can we try to see if he maybe this one time
21:58 Smelly hang on
21:58 Smelly i crashed
21:58 Smelly brb again
21:58 khonkhortisan I just had sand dig sand
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22:01 meldrian we lost smelly!!!
22:02 Peacock sand dig sand?
22:02 Mossmanikin ?
22:04 Peacock what kohn said ^
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22:05 Smelly This should work
22:05 Smelly funkytown.no-ip.info
22:06 Smelly 30000
22:06 Menche !up funkytown.no-ip.info
22:06 MinetestBot funkytown.no-ip.info:30000 is up (301ms)
22:06 Smelly Can someone try
22:06 Menche woo
22:06 Smelly usething that, can you try to log on
22:06 Smelly with port 30000
22:06 Mossmanikin Peacock: somehow oversaw it
22:07 Menche !up funkytown.no-ip.info
22:07 MinetestBot funkytown.no-ip.info:30000 is up (473ms)
22:07 Smelly any ideas why i cant join my own created world
22:07 Smelly from a different account
22:07 Menche Smelly: do you see me on? My client appears to be stuck.
22:08 Smelly I do not
22:08 Smelly you do not appear to even be on
22:08 Menche is there any output?
22:08 Smelly huh
22:10 Peacock why not use the public server list?
22:10 Menche how are you running the server?
22:10 Smelly port fowarding
22:10 Menche i mean, GUI or CLI
22:10 Peacock well either your modem or router firewall is still up
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22:10 Smelly idk, I followed your thing on the forum
22:10 Menche the minetest server is obviously responding to init packets
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22:11 Smelly i am so confused
22:11 Menche because MinetestBot acknowledges that it's up
22:11 Smelly But you cant join
22:11 * Menche should probably update that server guide; it is quite out of date
22:11 Menche and make a CLI guide too
22:12 Smelly Can you log in?
22:12 Menche i had a problem connecting to my server a few days ago too, not sure why
22:13 Smelly It's okay if I cant log in on two accounts
22:13 Smelly I just need the one
22:13 Smelly Can you log in?
22:13 Menche no
22:13 Smelly :(
22:13 Smelly Does it try too
22:14 Smelly Or is it apper like its down
22:14 Menche it sticks at "Connecting to server..."
22:14 Smelly :(
22:14 Smelly crap
22:14 Menche is there a debug.txt?
22:14 Smelly What the hell am I doing wrong
22:14 Smelly let me check
22:14 Menche if there isn't, add "debug_log_level = 4" to your minetest.conf and try again
22:15 Smelly ok brb
22:15 arsdragonfly Menche wouldn't that produce massive debug logs?
22:16 Menche not much bigger than the logs were before they were disabled by default, i don't think
22:16 Menche and if you're having problems, it can be nice to have massive logs
22:17 Miner_48er !up 75.131.40.131 30000
22:18 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131:30000 seems to be down
22:20 Menche what's the function to get the path of the current mod?
22:20 PilzAdam minetest.get_modpath()
22:20 Menche thx
22:23 Smelly joined #minetest
22:23 Smelly Everything should be working
22:23 Smelly funkytown.no-ip.info
22:24 Smelly menche would you like to go in a private irc
22:24 Menche seems to be, yes
22:24 Menche ok
22:24 Menche /msg ?
22:24 Smelly Wait
22:24 Smelly Did you just use to get in
22:25 Smelly what address and port
22:25 Menche funkytown.no-ip.info 30000
22:25 Smelly Omg it worked
22:25 Smelly :")
22:25 Smelly It took me
22:25 Smelly 6 hours
22:25 Smelly to get it to work
22:26 Smelly What do I apper on on public
22:26 Miner_48er servers.minetest.net
22:27 Smelly omg
22:27 Menche this is the part of my minetest.conf for the serverlist: http://pastebin.com/wUXCvfZN
22:27 Menche modify the settings for your server, ofc
22:28 Menche oh, and change server_announce to 1
22:28 Smelly So you guys see me on public?
22:28 Smelly I dont see it
22:28 Menche (i didn't want to announce my test server)
22:28 Mossmanikin Is there any description for the server?
22:29 Smelly So just to be sure you used funkytown.no-ip.info port 30000 to get in
22:29 Smelly So I know what to put in forum
22:29 Menche yeah
22:29 Smelly Okay
22:29 Smelly And on the public server list what do I appear as
22:30 Peacock nice there starting to be a lot of servers on there
22:30 Menche you don't, currently
22:30 Smelly Will I appear auto
22:30 Menche see the pastebin link i posted and the following
22:32 Smelly ah screw it
22:32 Smelly it worked
22:32 Smelly i will trust forum for people to see
22:33 Smelly Thank you menche
22:33 Smelly <3
22:33 Smelly Miner_48er
22:33 Smelly Join the server I need to talk to you
22:33 Smelly funkytown.no-ip.info
22:33 Smelly closeing this window
22:33 Smelly to much lag
22:34 Menche when i had a server, there were typically ~0 players on when it was just on the forum, and 8+ players on when it was on the serverlist
22:34 Menche i don't think many people check the servers forum anymore
22:34 Peacock its never a bad idea to readup on the rules though, which not enough people do
22:35 Menche there's a mod that pops up a window when a player logs on. that would be nice to make sure that players can't say they missed the rules.
22:35 Peacock you can write the rules on a sign, but if you have to punch the sign for the text appear, its not much use to the interact-less player lol
22:35 [0gb_us] I know I don't check the forum any more. Why check the forum when there is a list right there in the application?
22:36 khonkhortisan The only servers that would be on the forum are the ones that aren't in the list for everyone to see, therefore the more private ones
22:36 Peacock some servers you have to ask for interact *on* the forums
22:37 Menche any server that uses hamachi/remobo/other vpn wouldn't be on the serverlist
22:37 Peacock which imo is starting to look good cuz at least you can confirm the identity
22:37 [0gb_us] True.
22:37 khonkhortisan why not?
22:38 Menche the serverlist has to be able to directly access the server to verify it is up, and whoever manages the list isn't going to join a dozen VPNs
22:39 Peacock i thought it was the server that anounced to the server list? i keep getting these timeout warnings about it
22:43 Vazon joined #minetest
22:43 Vazon Miner_48er
22:43 Miner_48er ?
22:43 Miner_48er what happened?
22:44 Vazon get on cuase i cant get the server back up first it said one think that i have fixed before bout now its telling me somethign else that i have fixed before but the problem isnt there
22:52 Peacock this looks gross http://wpmedia.life.nationalpos​t.com/2013/09/pizzab.jpg?w=620
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23:00 [0gb_us] It does, yes.
23:00 Peacock though the kronut burger is worse
23:04 Peacock with obesity levels as high as they are, they came up with this: http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_f​s/1.1405563!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen​/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg
23:04 Menche what IS that thing
23:04 [0gb_us] THat looks ...awful.
23:04 Menche pastry burger?
23:06 Mossmanikin joined #minetest
23:06 Peacock part donut, part croissant, part burger, deep fried
23:07 Peacock invented in NY, made their way to Toronto last summer (where a bunch of people got food poisoning from it) lol
23:07 Peacock last summer = this summer which is ending
23:07 Menche i like donuts and i like burgers; i wouldn't want them in one dish though lol
23:08 [0gb_us] Menche, that's because you have decent tastes.
23:08 [0gb_us] Some people don't.
23:11 Peacock im more inclined to mix sour cream and burgers than donuts and burgers lol
23:11 Peacock though thats not the healthiest thing to eat on a regular basis
23:12 Mossmanikin most healthy thing is not being born at all ;)
23:12 Peacock homemade pizza is good though its hard to get a soft crust
23:13 Peacock lol mossmanikin seriously :P
23:13 [0gb_us] Does mapgen v7 have Lua biomes?
23:13 Mossmanikin :D
23:13 Menche yes; not in minetest_game though
23:13 Peacock and kids today are even bigger health nazies then the new age types :P
23:13 Peacock dont drink, dont smoke, dont do drugs, dont get jobs, dont move out, etc. lol
23:13 [0gb_us] Does mapgen v7 still use the mapgen aliases?
23:14 Menche PA doesn't seem to want to add lua biomes to minetest_game yet
23:14 Menche idk
23:14 Peacock do lua biomes work in the engine side ?
23:14 PilzAdam Menche, why would I add biomes to minetest_game?
23:14 Menche his personal game Pilztest does have them defined
23:14 Menche uh, because they're in the engine?
23:14 Menche mapgen v7 = stoneland
23:14 PilzAdam there is no official support to register biomes currently (see lua-api.txt)
23:15 PilzAdam v7 shouldnt be used
23:15 Menche ...what's in your Pilztest then?
23:15 PilzAdam hax
23:15 [0gb_us] Okay. I'll focus on the mapgen in my plugin then.
23:15 Menche doens't look very hacky
23:16 PilzAdam also the biome thing breaks compatibility every few weaks
23:16 Menche just using registration functions similar to register_node or register_anything_else
23:16 PilzAdam and v7 is buggy
23:16 Peacock well you can call anything function register_<stuff>
23:17 Peacock even minetest.register_ponies
23:17 [0gb_us] (Basically, I just needed to know if the mapgen aliases even have any meaning in the current plans.)
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23:17 PilzAdam [0gb_us], they will be always there for v6
23:17 PilzAdam v7 is not a replacement for v6
23:18 Menche i don't see how registering biomes is unsupported, if there's a registration function for them
23:18 Smelly Alright, so I figured out how to get a server up and on
23:18 Smelly However when I reset my router I get a new IP
23:18 Smelly And have to redo all the port foward and all
23:18 PilzAdam Menche, the registration function is there for testing purporses for engine devs
23:18 Menche Smelly: install the no-ip dynamic update client
23:18 Smelly is that free
23:18 Menche yeah
23:18 Smelly Okay
23:18 Smelly Let me do that
23:18 Menche it will automatically tell no-ip when your IP changes
23:18 Smelly Okay
23:18 Smelly ALso
23:19 [0gb_us] Yeah, but how long will v6 even be a thing? I notice that v5 isn't with us any more. And with how long it will take me to get anywhere on this project, I have to aim for the future, not the present, if I want it to be releasable.
23:19 Smelly Everytime I reset computer
23:19 Smelly its like I need to reinstall noip
23:19 Menche ?
23:19 [0gb_us] Oh, not a replacement? Never mind then.
23:19 Smelly Well I access it through my toolbar
23:19 Smelly I have to reinstall it to get it
23:19 PilzAdam [0gb_us], there are plans to add v5 back in again
23:19 * Menche assumes most people will pick 'v7' if they have a choice of 'v6' and v7'
23:19 PilzAdam since we have support for multiple mapgens now
23:20 Peacock would rather be cooler to have the mt 0.3 mapgen in as an option
23:20 [0gb_us] Nice! Are there plans for v0 through v4 as well?
23:20 PilzAdam Peacock, that is v5
23:20 Peacock v5?
23:20 Peacock damn
23:20 Peacock i thought there had been more versions since 0.3
23:20 Menche where does 'indev' fit into this? is it based on v6?
23:20 Menche is v7 a total rewrite?
23:20 PilzAdam Menche, indev = v6 + floatlands + farlands + huge caves
23:20 [0gb_us] Indev seems to be just a testing ground. I think.
23:21 PilzAdam Menche, yes, v7 is a total rewrite
23:21 Smelly Okay Menche
23:21 Smelly It's all working good
23:21 Smelly However
23:21 PilzAdam people should stop juding by names
23:21 Smelly I can not turn off computer
23:21 Menche so will the features of 'indev' be moved into 'v6' eventually then?
23:21 PilzAdam Menche, dunno
23:21 Peacock i think youll have v6 and v7
23:21 PilzAdam v6 cant be touched that much, since it would break existing maps
23:22 Peacock if v7 is currently being worked on
23:22 [0gb_us] Does v5 use the ore aliases that I just deleted?
23:22 PilzAdam [0gb_us], that depedends how v5 will be ported to the current Minetest
23:22 Menche don't think it'll break anything to have both biome defs for v7 and aliasis for v6
23:22 Menche *aliases
23:22 Peacock im still wonder how we went from v5 to v6 when 5 produced more epic maps
23:22 PilzAdam Peacock, v5 was damn slow
23:22 [0gb_us] Hmm. I'll leave them deleted for now then.
23:23 Menche the mapgen from 0.3 is still my favorite
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23:23 PilzAdam it used 3d noise AFAIK
23:23 Peacock slow because v5 is slow or does leveldb help there?
23:23 PilzAdam it will be faster if its ported to the current improved noise functions, though
23:23 Menche what about the change from pow() to multiplication? didn't that affect noise?
23:23 PilzAdam Peacock, leveldb has nothing to do with mapgen
23:24 [0gb_us] My favorite is whatever one doesn't think dungeons/jungles and deserts are mutually exclusive. So v6, probably. For now.
23:24 PilzAdam Menche, not slightly as much as the improvements by hmmmmm
23:24 Peacock well how should i know :P noise aint my strongsuit lol
23:24 Peacock heck i only just figured out vmanip last week
23:24 PilzAdam why do people think leveldb is faster?
23:24 Peacock people keep saying it
23:25 Peacock havent tried it myself
23:25 PilzAdam stop that until someone actually has benchmarks
23:25 Peacock well i think people will just keep saying it anyways
23:25 [0gb_us] We were told LevelDB was faster, so we non-technical people are trusting those that we think know what they are talking about.
23:25 PilzAdam [0gb_us], who tells that to you?
23:25 Peacock the people who run leveldb worlds
23:26 [0gb_us] I forget, I haven't been here in months. The people trying to integrate it with the engine, probably.
23:26 Peacock oldcoder is a big supporter of it that i know
23:26 proller [0gb_us], but indev better than v6
23:27 PilzAdam there are 2 advantages that are proven: 1) no corruption for maps >  4GiB 2) it uses slightly less disk space
23:27 [0gb_us] More importanltly, we were told that a bug in SQLite caused big worlds to fall apart.
23:27 Peacock proller whats holding up indev tho?
23:27 [0gb_us] Yeah, the 4GiB thing. That's the part I care about.
23:27 Peacock seems most maps do eventually corrupt
23:27 PilzAdam proller, better? how?
23:27 Peacock ive never made it to 4g lol but i make regular backups in case
23:27 proller Peacock, what?
23:28 [0gb_us] proller, unless indev has alternate engine aliases, I'm ignoring it for now.
23:28 Peacock well indev's been a rocky landscape for months, whats stalling it?
23:28 proller PilzAdam, floatlands + farlands + huge caves 8)
23:28 Menche Peacock, you mean indev or v7
23:28 Menche ?
23:28 PilzAdam proller, how is that "better"?
23:28 [0gb_us] What are these farlands?
23:28 Menche v7 = stoneland in minetest_game
23:28 Peacock v7
23:28 Peacock i thought they were the same
23:28 Menche no
23:28 Peacock fuck lol
23:28 Peacock how many wip mapgens do we ahve?
23:29 Peacock *have
23:29 Menche you mean just the "realistic" mapgens?
23:29 Menche or the fractal one too?
23:29 proller PilzAdam, existing features better than unexisting
23:29 Peacock not the math ones
23:29 Peacock mapgens you can build shit on lol
23:29 PilzAdam proller, no, more features is not better
23:29 PilzAdam that is simply wrong
23:29 [0gb_us] I'd have to agree, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
23:30 proller [0gb_us], bigger biomes, mountains, seas near 30000
23:30 [0gb_us] Also, no, more isn't better.
23:30 Peacock but better is better
23:30 Menche massive mountains near the edges of the world
23:30 PilzAdam Peacock, by definition
23:30 [0gb_us] "Better" isn't always better.
23:30 proller with smooth increasing from center
23:31 Peacock ideally, i wish all the code in mapgen.lua, was a definable object or function you could define more than once so that, like paramat's moonrealm, could be defined just like the default mapgen
23:31 Menche # of different ideas of "better" in minetest = # of people playing minetest
23:31 proller what from this not better? "floatlands + farlands + huge caves" ?
23:31 Peacock with all the options for sea size, height, mountains, biomes, etc.
23:31 proller Peacock, its already in noise definition
23:32 PilzAdam proller, farlands makes the map boring in the center and unplayable at the edges
23:32 Peacock menche more options the better, so long as theyre options and not forced on people
23:32 Menche yeah
23:32 proller PilzAdam, in center they same as in v6
23:32 [0gb_us] In indev? I'm not arguing against indev. Or against anything in particular, I'm just making a statement. Indev seems cool from what I've seen, though I've only seen the floating islands.
23:32 Peacock its more annoying when people make permanent changes that affect everyone's gameplay than when someone adds something i could but dont have to use
23:32 PilzAdam proller, are you sure? from what I have seen everything is lower in center
23:32 [0gb_us] Peacock, YES!
23:33 PilzAdam proller, also, dont only compare to v6
23:33 proller PilzAdam, yes, look at mgindev_np_
23:33 PilzAdam what is that?
23:34 Peacock paramat does some really awesome map mods, probably wouldn't hurt to ask him what options future mapgens could use
23:34 Menche installing all paramat's mods = 1 hour to generate 1 mapblock
23:34 proller PilzAdam, in center indev exactly equal to v6
23:34 Menche they are epic
23:34 Peacock well yeah thats why i wish the mapgen could accomodate what he needs it to do
23:34 Menche but lua is lua
23:35 Peacock yeah but hte default mapgen stuff isn't done in lua
23:35 Peacock with enough options and a few api functions, he wouldn't need to do it all in lua
23:35 Peacock though vmanip moonrealm is somewhat better than the old version
23:36 proller i have idea about generating part of map by other mapgen, like large cave system from any of  "math" fractals
23:36 Peacock still cant use it for a public server, but it generates faster than b4
23:36 Peacock if you could define realms using mapgen objects, that would be best
23:39 [0gb_us] Hmm. It seems odd, the sapling mapgen aliases aren't prefixed with "mapgen_", but all the others are.
23:39 Peacock like imagine having a v5, v6, v7 and indev realms at different heights
23:39 Menche so v1 was the flat grass plain with occasional stone pyramids?
23:40 Peacock i wasnt there for that :P
23:40 Peacock oldest screenshots in google images is from 0.3 i think
23:40 Menche i remember seeing a screenshot of a very early build
23:40 Menche believe it was from madchicken13 and one of his ancient builds
23:40 Peacock btw, people should stop posting selfies on the chat, they all show up in image search :P
23:41 Peacock http://wiki.minetest.com/images/thu​mb/a/a2/Minetest_mapgen5_funky.jpeg​/650px-Minetest_mapgen5_funky.jpeg
23:41 Peacock ^ nice
23:42 Peacock a valley: http://gameblaster64.xandorus.com/sites/defaul​t/files/blogger_importer/s320/spiky_forest.png
23:42 Menche that last one is way older i think
23:42 Menche note the inventory on the side
23:42 Mossmanikin It's awesome
23:42 Peacock yeah even without glasses i noticed the chat was at the bottom
23:42 Menche you could scroll through the entire inventory
23:42 Menche no moving stuff around with the cursor
23:43 Peacock why they get rid of that?
23:43 Menche and signs placed on the ground actually faced the player who placed them
23:43 Mossmanikin Yeah, love those signs
23:43 Menche why?!?!?
23:44 Menche that really early build even had mobs
23:44 Peacock 0.3 had mobs too, not the lua kind
23:44 Menche yeah
23:45 * Menche goes and makes a build of the really early version
23:45 Peacock i found a copy of the source for the version where that dude did colored lights like two years ago,but it wouldn't build
23:46 Mossmanikin I've been wondering: did the signs use to be entities?
23:46 Menche no_half_measures?
23:46 [0gb_us] The early builds had other issues though. I'll stick with the modern build myself.
23:46 Menche or was that colored glass
23:46 Smelly joined #minetest
23:46 Vazon i keep timeing out still
23:46 Smelly No one can join my server they keep getting time out and they say they cant get past connecting screen
23:46 Vazon *me
23:46 Smelly On my end I get an error
23:46 Peacock naw the guy made colored lights with a video and screen that are gone, but i found the source, it just wouldn't compile (not that the code's any use now)
23:47 Smelly failed to emerge player
23:47 Vazon SMelly hold on i have a idea
23:47 Menche Peacock: how old is it?
23:47 Smelly I closed the server
23:47 Vazon open it
23:47 Peacock at least over a year old, possibly two
23:47 Smelly Server is now open
23:47 Tiktalik Ugh, I need to try out minetest
23:47 Smelly funkytown.no-ip.info
23:47 Vazon nope
23:48 Smelly Want to see what bot says
23:48 [0gb_us] !up funkytown.no-ip.info
23:48 MinetestBot funkytown.no-ip.info:30000 is up (315ms)
23:48 Smelly It says up
23:48 Smelly Why is it failing to emerage player
23:48 Vazon i cant connect
23:48 Vazon idk i have never had that problem
23:48 Smelly 19:48:31: ERROR[ServerThread]: Server: peer_id=3: failed to emerge player
23:48 Smelly 19:48:31: ERROR[ServerThread]: Server: peer_id=4: failed to emerge player
23:49 Mossmanikin Connecting... ... ...
23:49 Peacock this one is rather misleading about the game graphics: http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dn7l​YYnW5x0/UT1OcL8M1mI/AAAAAAAAAVQ/LyMsc9​EegRQ/s1873/screenshot_1466222590.jpg
23:49 Menche let me guess: hybriddog?
23:49 Peacock dunno who made that
23:49 Vazon boooo this stinks
23:49 Menche he uses wierd filters on all his screenshots.
23:50 Smelly Menche
23:50 Menche ?
23:50 Smelly Any ideas why I get that error
23:50 Peacock its like a movie trailer that makes you think a movie is more epic than it really is lol
23:50 [0gb_us] THat looks like one of Blockmen's creations.
23:50 Vazon i have tryied like 50 times but thats all i get on his server
23:50 Smelly hang on V
23:50 Mossmanikin looks nice, but not really like MT
23:51 Menche i really don't know what to do about that error besides restart
23:51 Tiktalik So what's minetest going for?
23:51 Tiktalik In gameplay.
23:51 Smelly I have, and will again
23:51 Smelly Vaz try again
23:51 Vazon ok
23:51 Tiktalik Is it an attempt to build a base for people to build off of, or a comprehensive game?
23:51 Peacock tikalik complexity and simplicity, realism and not realism
23:51 Peacock ie, whatever the devs happen to develop :P
23:51 Vazon connecting
23:51 Menche im really not sure sometimes :P
23:52 Menche it is possible to build an entire unique game mode in lua based on it
23:52 Smelly You timed out
23:52 Menche if you don't like minetest_game
23:52 Smelly Maybe I will try the other way menche has on forum
23:52 Vazon no i havent
23:52 Peacock oh and also, working on old hardware, but not working on old hardware (with decent mods installed) :P
23:52 Smelly remboo
23:52 Vazon im still connecting
23:52 Smelly dude it says you timed out
23:52 Smelly hang on
23:52 Vazon Smelly i have told you that like 10 times but no dont listen to me.... -.-
23:52 Smelly btb
23:52 Smelly brb*
23:53 Smelly No
23:53 Smelly not remboo like you think
23:53 Smelly I am not leting you take over my computer
23:53 Vazon yes that is the exact same thing
23:53 Smelly I mean so people can connect
23:53 Vazon no yes it has that opion to
23:53 Vazon yes i know that
23:53 Smelly k
23:53 Smelly brb
23:53 Mossmanikin Creativity (not to be confused with creationism)
23:53 Tiktalik Menche: are blocks handled in lua?
23:54 Tiktalik hell, what's engine and what's external data files
23:54 Menche Tiktalik, individual cubes? we refer to those as "nodes", and yes, they are
23:54 Tiktalik blocks. >:\
23:54 Menche nodes, crafts, tools, lots of stuff is handled in lua
23:54 Tiktalik then again nodes does sound cool
23:55 Tiktalik someone should implement glsl shaders in the engine
23:55 Tiktalik i bet they'd work quite well
23:55 Menche they are
23:55 Menche currently just for slightly better shadoes
23:56 Menche in minetest, "node" = something in a fixed location, "block" equals 16x16 group of nodes, "entity" equals something without a fixed location
23:56 Tiktalik oh
23:56 Tiktalik ...so nodes could be creatures, interactive blocks, or regular blocks?
23:57 Menche not creatures
23:57 Tiktalik oh
23:57 Smelly o.4.8 should make it easier to create a server
23:57 Tiktalik you mean a solid in-grid position, menche?
23:57 Menche anything that doesn't move; furnaces, torches, wires, stairs
23:57 Menche yes
23:57 Tiktalik are blocks = 16x16x16?
23:57 Menche dropped items, falling sand, and mobs are entities
23:57 Menche i believe that is the default block size, yes
23:57 Menche like a Minecraft "chunk"
23:58 Tiktalik chunks are 16x16x256
23:58 Tiktalik 256 high
23:58 Menche oh. they're square here
23:58 Tiktalik for some inane reason they didn't implement infinite building height
23:58 [0gb_us] Cubic.
23:58 Menche a minetest world is as high as it is wide
23:58 Tiktalik they could have just made chunks cubic.
23:58 Tiktalik and how wide are they
23:58 Peacock mt isn't infinite either, around 30K in every direction from 0,0,0
23:58 Menche approx. 31000 in all directions
23:58 Tiktalik that's saddening :(
23:58 Menche ?
23:59 hmmmmm minecraft worlds having a small height is pretty smart actually
23:59 Peacock though you can multiply your real estate by adding some of the diff realm mods
23:59 Menche 62000x62000 isn't enough space?
23:59 [0gb_us] Must ... have ... more ....
23:59 Tiktalik 62000x62000 meters is a lot but in a large world
23:59 Tiktalik or rather, a long-used world
23:59 Tiktalik you can explore it
23:59 Peacock why is small height better?
23:59 Menche i've heard that the limit is because of the datatype used for coordinates
23:59 [0gb_us] My disk would fill up before the world would. But I'm running an outdated system, so ...

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