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00:05 NekoGloop joined #minetest
00:06 * NekoGloop tosses a grenade
00:06 NekoGloop left #minetest
00:06 PilzAdam ban?
00:06 Exio $##nonwhere ;P
00:07 NekoGloop joined #minetest
00:07 NekoGloop Nope.
00:07 Exio yes why not
00:07 Exio NekoGloop: didn't you leave 4ever
00:07 NekoGloop I left until a new version
00:07 NekoGloop because progress
00:07 NekoGloop supposedly
00:08 Exio aw
00:08 NekoGloop really? forum ban?
00:08 Exio who said forum ban
00:09 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/8v7cOch.png this does
00:09 Exio ah
00:09 PilzAdam did you blaned your posts?
00:10 PilzAdam *have you
00:10 PilzAdam *blanked
00:10 NekoGloop I had deleted glooptest from github
00:10 VanessaE I resurrected it.
00:10 NekoGloop I can't bloody well tell
00:11 Jordach joined #minetest
00:12 PilzAdam ok, finished 10 minutes of that video... TODO: the other 9 hours and 50 minutes
00:12 Jordach lololololol
00:12 Exio hi Jordach
00:12 PilzAdam Jordach, no cloak?
00:12 Jordach oops
00:13 Jordach joined #minetest
00:13 Jordach there we go
00:13 hacker PilzAdam: what video, btw?
00:14 VanessaE NekoGloop: btw, Kacey repaired the spare kitten generator.  it runs on obsidian now, I think :P
00:14 PilzAdam Exio, "THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!"
00:14 NekoGloop Oh god.
00:14 hacker wtf?
00:14 NekoGloop that video
00:14 Jordach hey NekoGloop
00:14 * Jordach pets NekoGloop
00:14 * NekoGloop purrs
00:15 Jordach </reminded of the old days again>
00:15 * MinetestBot puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head
00:15 * NekoGloop is banned from the forums by presumably IP so no minetest for me even if I ever wanted to
00:16 * NekoGloop slaps MinetestBot upside the head
00:16 Jordach http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97284#p97284
00:16 Jordach PilzAdam, ^
00:16 NekoGloop you dick
00:16 NekoGloop what does it say
00:16 Jordach VanessaE, unban neko
00:17 NekoGloop he
00:17 NekoGloop hehe
00:17 Jordach NekoGloop, you should do more textures
00:17 Jordach IMHO
00:17 NekoGloop jumpy today, are we enter key? :P
00:17 PilzAdam NekoGloop, do you plan to post a "IM BACK!" topic?
00:17 NekoGloop PilzAdam, I see no reason to
00:17 Jordach \o/
00:17 PilzAdam good
00:17 NekoGloop Therefore I will not
00:19 NekoGloop Jordach, What makes you say that?
00:20 Jordach i thought the opposite for a moment
00:20 NekoGloop I mean the textures.
00:20 VanessaE Jordach: I can't.  ask the one who banned him.
00:20 NekoGloop Well this could take a while.
00:20 Jordach NekoGloop, the ones you made for mt_game were nice
00:20 * NekoGloop puts feet up on desk and dozes off
00:21 Jordach and anyways, we need a cat in IRC
00:21 NekoGloop They're mainly vanessa's textures with all the edits she had me do >.>
00:21 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97286#p97286
00:21 Exio don't you have NekoGloop now?
00:21 PilzAdam ( NekoGloop: that post says: "How many McDonalds cheeseburger do I have to eat to get the energy needed to move fast enough to watch an 10 hour video in 20 minutes?")
00:21 NekoGloop PilzAdam, over 9000
00:22 Jordach /nick FatAdam
00:22 Jordach enjoy your diabeetus
00:22 PilzAdam *Fast
00:22 PilzAdam ;-)
00:23 NekoGloop Well... now the question is "who banned me"
00:23 Jordach heh
00:23 Jordach probably calinou or zyxeht
00:23 * PilzAdam bets 1$ on Calinou
00:23 Exio http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97287#p97287
00:23 NekoGloop Most likely, if it's not anyone here :P
00:24 PilzAdam !rev zyxeht
00:24 MinetestBot thexyz
00:24 PilzAdam >:-)
00:24 Exio http://piwik.xyz.is/piwik.js
00:24 Exio i finally looked at the request log
00:24 * Jordach drums on the laptop
00:24 Jordach <- at girlfriends
00:24 NekoGloop Oh, I thought that was a new moderator
00:24 Exio and saw what xyz was doing with his domain
00:25 PilzAdam Exio, there is a reason why I block the xyz.is scripts in the forums ;-)
00:25 thexyz hm?
00:25 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on thexyz's head
00:25 Jordach https://xyz.is/awesome
00:25 Jordach NOPE.AVI
00:25 thexyz right, I banned NekoGloop
00:25 thexyz Jordach: admit it
00:26 PilzAdam thexyz, mind to unban him?
00:26 Jordach http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/nope.gif
00:26 thexyz PilzAdam: I won't do that
00:26 Jordach even when not with my user commands, i still nope.avi people
00:26 thexyz PilzAdam: ask other moderators
00:26 PilzAdam *nope.gif
00:27 PilzAdam thexyz, <VanessaE> Jordach: I can't.  ask the one who banned him.
00:27 NekoGloop No minetest it is then.
00:27 VanessaE I don't want to step on anyone's toes
00:27 VanessaE I'm hated enough around here as it is.
00:27 * NekoGloop must have missed something
00:28 Jordach in shocking light of this revelation
00:28 Jordach we need a trusted person to become moderator
00:28 thexyz oh, so if VanessaE insists
00:28 NekoGloop so anyone but me
00:28 VanessaE insists?  huh?
00:28 NekoGloop who isn't already a moderator and has at least one intellectual post on the forums
00:28 Jordach > intellectual
00:28 Jordach > minecraft converts usually being dumb
00:29 PilzAdam NekoGloop, /me
00:29 Jordach amiright
00:29 thexyz VanessaE: right
00:29 NekoGloop Ohey, forums.
00:29 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=94890#p94890 <- that one
00:29 thexyz I've lifted the ban
00:29 NekoGloop they exist noqw
00:30 * NekoGloop goes off and lurks for another year before signing up again
00:30 thexyz PilzAdam: so, what's the reason you block xyz.is scripts?
00:30 PilzAdam I dont want to be tracked
00:31 Jordach lol, user metrics
00:31 Exio paranoia thexyz
00:31 Jordach remind me to kill that domain in hosts.txt
00:31 Jordach >:D
00:31 thexyz PilzAdam: then set do-not-track header
00:31 NekoGloop hm...
00:31 thexyz hm, I probably should put piwik in subdirectory and append piwik.js to http://forum.minetest.net/include/js/min/punbb.common.min.js
00:31 * NekoGloop should probably look at the minetest changelog before looking through the mods
00:31 Jordach http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=94894#p94894
00:31 thexyz that'd be fun
00:32 Jordach moebius strip of posts
00:32 thexyz the only way to not be tracked is to not use the internet
00:32 Jordach lol, NSA
00:32 Jordach *cough*
00:32 PilzAdam thexyz, well, I do my best ;-)
00:33 thexyz yeah
00:33 PilzAdam not using google, FB and stuff like that is a good start
00:33 Jordach you say you want to not be tracked, yet i can see your IP
00:33 Jordach GG
00:33 Exio what can you get with his ip
00:33 PilzAdam Jordach, and?
00:33 Jordach Exio, geolocation
00:34 Exio i guess, the country
00:34 Exio see
00:34 Exio you can know the country where PilzAdam lives
00:34 PilzAdam Germany \o/
00:34 Exio the geolocation will throw a city at like 500km away of where he is
00:34 PilzAdam <- IP tracker
00:34 Jordach mailto:PilzAdam@77-21-146-86-dynip.superkabel.de can be traced down to 10m
00:35 Exio mailto:? lol
00:35 PilzAdam sure?
00:35 Exio Jordach: who told that to you? your parents? lol
00:35 Jordach if i know the exact locations and ping times of three servers that PilzAdam uses
00:35 Jordach i can then total the distance
00:36 Jordach through triangulation + speed / time = distance
00:36 Exio the ping times can't mean a lot in a normal network usage
00:36 PilzAdam Jordach, no, you know the location of the next node to me
00:37 PilzAdam wich is, in my case, pretty far away
00:37 Jordach which*
00:37 Exio btw, if you want to know where PilzAdam lives
00:37 Exio http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=2443
00:37 NekoGloop no, wich
00:37 Exio From: Germany
00:37 NekoGloop say it with a french accent
00:37 Jordach weeche
00:37 PilzAdam Note: next time the germans invade britain: change which to wich
00:38 Jordach PilzAdam, we're ready
00:38 NekoGloop heh
00:38 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/wACtf.gif
00:38 Jordach :D
00:42 PilzAdam LOL
00:42 Jordach PilzAdam, yeah
00:43 Jordach i often lol at that one
00:43 PilzAdam that last jeep part reminds me to empty BF3 servers...
00:43 Jordach yeah
00:43 Jordach whee!
00:43 NekoGloop plot twist: they're playing BF4
00:43 Jordach lol
00:43 * PilzAdam decided to not buy BF4
00:43 NekoGloop oh it's a thing
00:43 NekoGloop then BF5
00:44 * Jordach buys PilzAdam BF4
00:44 Jordach on PS4
00:44 PilzAdam if EA stops being an idiot
00:44 Jordach LOL; SimCity
00:44 Jordach i still play SC 2000
00:45 NekoGloop starcraft 2000
00:45 Jordach NekoGloop, simcity
00:45 NekoGloop I know
00:45 PilzAdam how long have they worked on starcraft 3?
00:46 PilzAdam Starcraft 2000 ETA: NaN
00:48 blakeman1 joined #minetest
00:48 blakeman1 hello, im new. how do i join a server?
00:48 PilzAdam blakeman1, a Minetest server?
00:48 VanessaE just sign on.
00:48 blakeman1 yes
00:48 VanessaE pick a server, pick a user name and make up a password.
00:49 VanessaE find the server's thread on the minetest forum if there is now and read the server's rules.
00:49 VanessaE that's about it usually.
00:49 VanessaE if there is one*
00:49 blakeman1 last time when i tried to connect to yours, it said invalid password
00:50 PilzAdam blakeman1, the basic concept is to just type in the IP and port, no registration is required (in fact, the first login is a registration, so you can enter a password)
00:50 blakeman1 plus when i try to join, it stops mid-way on loading "Media..."
00:50 PilzAdam some servers, like VanessaE's, force users to set a password at first connect
00:51 PilzAdam it doesnt stop at "Media", it just takes long to download all the mods from the server
00:51 blakeman1 the log is saying "could not load mesh"
00:51 PilzAdam thats normal
00:51 blakeman1 ive g2g, ill come back later
00:51 blakeman1 thx
00:52 StarBlessed Hey guys...  I was thinking...  To speed up everyone's logins...  Would it be worthwhile setting up a global http server that houses all the media files for mods etc?  That way everyone who is setting up a Minetest server can just point their conf file at the global server.
00:53 PilzAdam StarBlessed, I already suggested that
00:53 PilzAdam we just need a host
00:53 StarBlessed Oh...  Well...  I have the bandwidth...
00:54 PilzAdam that would be a great conribution to the community!
00:54 PilzAdam +t
00:54 StarBlessed Ok :D
00:54 StarBlessed Perhaps i can set up FTP access for the mod devs to upload their content.  That way they can update as required.
00:54 PilzAdam someone just needs to collect all the media files of _all_ the mods on the forums
00:54 Jordach but you've got to be sure that the media updates everytime the mod changes textures
00:55 Jordach so i could create a new wool mod relacement
00:55 Jordach which is no longer needed in 0,4,7
00:55 PilzAdam filename conflicts needs to be resolved somehow
00:55 Jordach PilzAdam, you know why wool white + dye = dyedwool + 16 nodes
00:55 StarBlessed What if...  I setup a git hub so everyone developing mods could upload there, then setup an automated script to pull all the media across to the http server?
00:56 jordan4ibanez joined #minetest
00:56 Jordach wool was meant for pixel art
00:56 Jordach and jordan4ibanez can attest to that
00:56 jordan4ibanez I have no opinion.
00:56 Jordach (with colour_blocks)
00:56 PilzAdam hey jordan
00:56 jordan4ibanez Hello.
00:56 Jordach jordan4ibanez, remember the infinity server
00:56 Jordach (the first one)
00:57 StarBlessed Hmmmm...  Thats probably a little over complicated though...
00:57 PilzAdam StarBlessed, the problem is that if you want to pull request your files in you have to clone the repo with all the media files
00:57 jordan4ibanez Yeah.
00:57 Jordach StarBlessed, dont ever use four mmmm's at once
00:57 Jordach jordan4ibanez, you used colour_blocks textured as wool right
00:57 Jordach (with an old MC4MT)
00:57 StarBlessed Jordach: 3 mmm's ok?
00:58 Jordach StarBlessed, yes because hmmmm is the core dev
00:58 jordan4ibanez I used it for a lot of things.
00:58 * StarBlessed grins
00:58 StarBlessed ok
00:58 Jordach but its job was pixel art
00:58 Jordach as seen with city build 1
00:58 PilzAdam StarBlessed, a forum topic would be too much work for you, I guess
00:59 Jordach iirc, bash scripts can copy files with certain file extensions
00:59 jordan4ibanez What is the server with the most users now?
00:59 Jordach jordan4ibanez, wazuclan / linuxgaming
00:59 StarBlessed Sorry, after being made redundant last week, I've been a little slack on it.  I'm stressing out bad over not working
00:59 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, look at http://minetest.net/servers
00:59 Jordach StarBlessed, sorry to hear
01:00 StarBlessed Its ok.  Thanks Jordach.  My wife and I are a little scared of what it all means.  You know, income etc.  But we've decided to go it alone and start a business.
01:01 Jordach StarBlessed, you own a VPS
01:01 Jordach make use of it
01:01 StarBlessed I own a Dedicated Server.  But selling VPS space isnt very popular over here.
01:01 StarBlessed It'd be a great way to pay for the server if anyone was interested in it though
01:02 StarBlessed I've been woking on setting up the business.  Here : www.viewskew.com
01:03 StarBlessed There's always that little voice in the back of your mind that says "You're worthless.  You're going to fail"
01:03 Jordach twss
01:04 StarBlessed :P
01:05 Jordach i hate it when i close the spotify web player by mistake
01:05 StarBlessed LOL!  So what would you suggest I do with the VPS Jordach ?
01:05 Jordach mine btc
01:05 Jordach on spare nodes
01:06 PilzAdam StarBlessed, the good thing with humans is that they are _very_ flexible, they are never "useless"
01:06 PilzAdam (unlike e.g. MinetestBot)
01:06 MinetestBot :-(
01:06 * Jordach pets MinetestBot
01:06 Jordach she need love too!
01:07 MinetestBot *sniff*
01:07 Jordach we treat her like shes worthless
01:07 StarBlessed lol @ PilzAdam.  I thought about mining BTC Jordach, but the amount I would get out of it equates to about 1USD per month
01:07 NekoGloop StarBlessed, but it's still money.
01:07 PilzAdam \o/ 1 hour
01:07 Jordach NekoGloop's got a point
01:08 NekoGloop more than I make
01:08 PilzAdam "THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGART"
01:08 StarBlessed Ummm...  yes...  But the power to run it would be worth about $60 per month...
01:08 StarBlessed I'd be making a net gain of -$59
01:08 StarBlessed lol
01:09 NekoGloop more than i make
01:10 Exio [22:07:10] <StarBlessed> lol @ PilzAdam.  I thought about mining BTC Jordach, but the amount I would get out of it equates to about 1USD per month
01:10 Exio mine LTC with performance/powerusage cpus
01:10 PilzAdam StarBlessed, re the media server: what about a simple upload web interface?
01:10 PilzAdam StarBlessed, with registration for some people of the community
01:10 Jordach i could spend the day putting files together
01:11 Jordach and then batch uploading zipballs
01:12 StarBlessed Exio: BTC mining is not worth while without an ASIC chip or multiple high power GFX cards.  Neither of which I can afford.
01:12 PilzAdam VanessaE only needs ti write a simple script and we have 90% if all modes covered
01:12 Exio StarBlessed: that is why i said LTC
01:12 PilzAdam *to
01:12 StarBlessed PilzAdam: Possible...  I'll have to investigate it.  The biggest problem is all the media has to be in a single folder
01:12 PilzAdam StarBlessed, best solution would be if it had .zip support
01:12 StarBlessed Exio: Sorry missed that.  LTC would be ok, but very quickly the difficulty will put it out of range.
01:13 StarBlessed Ok PilzAdam, Ill have a look around.
01:13 Jordach StarBlessed, for texture pack makers
01:13 StarBlessed Yup, understood.
01:13 Jordach it would be nice to download every file at once
01:13 Jordach as a zipball like github
01:13 Jordach NekoGloop, you have a 3ds
01:13 NekoGloop yes
01:13 Jordach cant wait for smash bros
01:14 Jordach on 3ds
01:14 Exio yep, but at least mining LTC with a high-end GPU works faster as a high-end CPU :P
01:14 * NekoGloop would prefer wii U but lol no has wii U
01:14 PilzAdam 1 hour 10 minutes, have to go now, its too late :-/
01:14 Jordach the WiiU is an iPad with Nintendo on it
01:14 VanessaE script?
01:14 VanessaE meh
01:14 Exio StarBlessed: i actually use a cpuminer for checking if my overclocking is stable and so :P
01:15 Exio s/a //
01:15 PilzAdam bye
01:15 StarBlessed LOL! ok Exio
01:16 Exio i don't mine bitcoin or litecoin though
01:16 Exio but the cpuminer is good for benchmarks
01:17 StarBlessed Question, in the server conf file, can you specify more than a single path for media files?
01:17 Exio i don't think so
01:18 StarBlessed Damn...  That makes things difficult.
01:23 blakeman1 joined #minetest
01:23 VanessaE litecoin?
01:23 blakeman1 im back
01:23 blakeman1 :)
01:24 VanessaE I've heard that one before but no idea what good it is.
01:24 VanessaE may as well be Flooz. :P
01:24 blakeman1 its this just like minecraft?
01:24 VanessaE blakeman1: no.  minetest is similar but definitely not "just like"
01:24 Exio but we are 100% more cooler
01:24 VanessaE and I hope to G*d it never becomes "just like" it either.
01:24 blakeman1 thats what i mean by
01:25 blakeman1 SWEET! a sphax texturepack!
01:25 blakeman1 VanessaE: are you a dev?
01:26 Jordach nope
01:27 kahrl if minetest was just like minecraft it would crash with a stack overflow exception when you punch a big connected area of floating snow
01:27 VanessaE no and never will be
01:27 blakeman1 oh, she (username sounds like a woman) has a texturepack and a few servers, so i just assumed
01:28 Jordach OMG OMG OMG OMG
01:28 VanessaE she yes; one server, several mods, a few texture packs
01:28 Jordach http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97225#p97225
01:28 blakeman1 i cant belive sphax supports this game
01:28 Jordach kahrl, HAHA
01:28 VanessaE Jordach: that's on my server.
01:28 Jordach ikr
01:28 VanessaE I installed it earlier, it works fairly well
01:28 Jordach its just...
01:28 Jordach fucking awesome
01:29 blakeman1 what does that do
01:29 Jordach adds 3d tools, ala mc
01:29 VanessaE blakeman1: wielded tools.
01:29 Jordach (eg, anyone can see your wielded tool)
01:29 Jordach ninja'd
01:30 blakeman1 client or server side?
01:30 Jordach serverside
01:30 Exio Jordach: you got ninja'd
01:30 blakeman1 so its a plugin? i cant install it onto my client or anything
01:30 Exio blakeman1: all mods are server-sidely here
01:30 Jordach no
01:30 Jordach the client downloads the mods from the sevrer
01:30 Jordach server*
01:30 blakeman1 ook
01:30 blakeman1 like plugins
01:30 Jordach and renders them to the screen
01:31 Jordach we do not use the word plugins
01:31 blakeman1 sorry
01:31 Jordach this isnt MC
01:31 blakeman1 mod = plugins?
01:31 blakeman1 ik
01:31 NekoGloop plugins plugins plugins plugins
01:31 Exio plugmods :D
01:31 blakeman1 PPPLLLUUGINS
01:31 blakeman1 lol
01:31 Exio Jordach: the client is more than that but well
01:32 blakeman1 so why is there a tutorial to install a mod?
01:32 Jordach plan b
01:32 blakeman1 wait
01:32 blakeman1 im stupid
01:32 blakeman1 only works if YOU run a server
01:32 VanessaE or single player mode.
01:32 VanessaE (which runs a server anyway)
01:33 Jordach but then no-one sees your tools
01:33 blakeman1 singleplayer runs a internal?
01:33 Exio yes
01:33 blakeman1 kk
01:33 Exio singleplayer is just a "tweaked-a-bit-and-autostarted server" + client autoconnecting :P
01:34 blakeman1 what texturepack should i use?
01:34 Jordach VanessaE's HDX
01:34 VanessaE HDX of course.
01:34 Exio haha
01:34 Jordach ninja'd
01:34 VanessaE :P
01:34 blakeman1 XP
01:34 Jordach i win this round
01:34 Exio i actually don't like very-"real" TPs for a blocky game but :P
01:34 VanessaE pick a resolution (16 to 512px) appropriate for your hardware.
01:35 Exio VanessaE: when are you going to release the 1024x version?
01:35 blakeman1 16x is the lowest?
01:35 VanessaE blakeman1: yeah
01:35 Exio blakeman1: HDX? yes
01:35 VanessaE Exio: never,
01:35 Exio but MT supports lower text sizes
01:36 Exio VanessaE: aww, why not? >:D
01:36 VanessaE MT can barely even handle the 256px size and the 512px size is almost useless now
01:36 VanessaE it'll never handle a 1024px size.
01:36 blakeman1 is 256x CPU intensive?
01:36 Exio i would remove the "never" VanessaE
01:36 Exio blakeman1: ram intensive
01:36 blakeman1 that
01:37 blakeman1 yeah
01:37 VanessaE 256px needs about 2GB of RAM to run comfortably and a decent video card.
01:37 blakeman1 when i say my graphics card is s***, ITS S***
01:37 blakeman1 cant even run MC
01:38 Exio blakeman1: what gpu? some old igp?
01:38 VanessaE if it's that bad, you should stick to the lowest resolution or don't use HDX.  it's too intensive for low-end hardware.
01:38 blakeman1 sorry, gpu is...?
01:38 VanessaE your graphics card.
01:38 blakeman1 ATI Radeon 3000
01:38 VanessaE oh my
01:38 blakeman1 yeah... i know...
01:39 blakeman1 Van, are you on your server right now?
01:40 VanessaE no but I can sign on if you need me to
01:40 Exio i'm pretty sure her server will kill your GPU, CPU, RAM, mobo and family ^^
01:40 Exio s/and family//
01:40 NekoGloop you all need a bot that does that for you
01:40 Exio now i'm going to sleep
01:40 blakeman1 Jordach: Nice MC texture pack
01:41 blakeman1 good night
01:41 Jordach blakeman1, its broken though]
01:41 Exio night! :P
01:41 Jordach and i lost the source files
01:41 blakeman1 oh...
01:41 VanessaE blakeman1: I'm there now.
01:41 Jordach calinou can pick up the pieces
01:41 Jordach i aint no more
01:41 blakeman1 oh, i was just wondering VanessaE
01:42 blakeman1 what about custom skins?
01:42 blakeman1 can people have different ones on servers?
01:42 Jordach blakeman1, only on VanessaE's server
01:42 blakeman1 oh
01:43 Jordach and other servers with skin changing mods or skins mod
01:43 Jordach but generally you get sam: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Player
01:43 VanessaE bbl
01:43 blakeman1 bye
01:44 NekoGloop ohey, a loading bar
01:44 VanessaE interact granted, blakeman1.
01:44 VanessaE bbl
01:44 Jordach small edit to player on mt wiki: The official name given for the player's appearance is Sam, which is an acronym for Sam ain't Minecraft.
01:44 blakeman1 are they the same pixels by pixels as MC?
01:44 Jordach yes
01:45 Jordach 16x
01:45 blakeman1 can i use my MC format?
01:45 Jordach no
01:45 Jordach we dont use it
01:45 NekoGloop with the 1.5 you just need to change names and stuff
01:45 NekoGloop shut up jordach
01:45 Jordach they stole our ida
01:45 Jordach idea*
01:45 blakeman1 what?
01:46 Jordach blakeman1, we just put texture files in minetest/textures/all/ directory with NO FOLDERS.
01:46 Jordach provided the texture names are the same as the ones on the server, the world will appear different for you.
01:46 blakeman1 what do we save it as?
01:46 Jordach blakeman1, we dont support zip folder texture packs
01:47 Jordach i really need to write this faq
01:47 kahrl btw ignore http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Skin as it's talking about the old 2-D player sprite
01:47 blakeman1 what extension then?
01:47 Exio # Path to texture directory. All textures are first searched from here.
01:47 Exio #texture_path =
01:47 Exio Jordach: ^
01:47 Jordach doesnt count folders Exio
01:47 Jordach it just changes the /textures/all folder's location in relation to minetest
01:48 blakeman1 so the Wiki is false?
01:48 Exio blakeman1: outdated
01:48 blakeman1 you guys should update it
01:48 Jordach honestly, i should write the faq that i have been thinking about
01:48 blakeman1 when was the last minetest update?
01:48 Jordach about few weeks ago
01:48 Exio a bit ago
01:49 blakeman1 still being worked on?
01:49 Exio if you wonder the changes, http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
01:49 Exio if you want to know if MT is dead or not, check the commit log and the hours https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/master
01:50 blakeman1 thanks
01:51 blakeman1 is default 16x?
01:51 Exio yep
01:51 blakeman1 i would gess default port is 30000?
01:51 blakeman1 *guess
01:52 Jordach why yes, yes it is
01:52 blakeman1 :)
01:52 blakeman1 Jordach, you on a server?
01:52 Jordach writing the faq sounds better and better the more i think about it
01:52 Jordach blakeman1, no
01:52 Jordach minetest plays like crap on latops
01:52 Jordach laptops*
01:52 blakeman1 i could give you some questions
01:52 Jordach (cant play with a touchpad)
01:52 Jordach sure, fire away....provided i dont pass out (2:52 AM here)
01:53 Exio Jordach: why plays like crap?
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01:53 Jordach because i cant mine for shit on a touchpad
01:53 Jordach its like pissing with a hard on.
01:53 Jordach very hard.
01:53 blakeman1 followed...
01:53 * Jordach giggles
01:54 Jordach sleep deprivation = /me crazy
01:55 NekoGloop so apparently there's a new damage system for entities?
01:55 blakeman1 jordach, you should make a Beginner FAQ and a Technical FAQ
01:55 Jordach NekoGloop, yes
01:55 Jordach blakeman1, ugh - it's been sitting on my Google Drive for a month now
01:55 Jordach havent had the incentive to do it until 10 mins ago
01:55 Jordach and im tired + i prefer doing it in word
01:56 Jordach which isnt on this laptop
01:56 Jordach the technical faq is called the dev.minetest.net
01:56 Jordach prefix http:// to it
01:56 Jordach and there you go
01:57 blakeman1 trying to join vanessa's server and its been stuck 2/3 for a while
01:58 Exio it will take a .. bit
01:58 Exio VanessaE's server contains a lot of stuff
01:59 Exio but it will be the first time, only
01:59 * NekoGloop wishes to know how to use this new damage system
01:59 Exio it is documented
02:00 Exio in the lua_api.txt and http://dev.minetest.net/Damage_system#New
02:00 blakeman1 you guys have a nice community on the forums
02:00 blakeman1 ever get spam a lot?
02:01 NekoGloop if it hasn't changed in half a year then yes
02:01 NekoGloop or, 1/4
02:01 Exio blakeman1: most of spam gets deleted very fast anyway
02:02 Jordach ffs
02:02 Jordach update to street
02:02 Jordach pass plaza*
02:02 Jordach im fucking off to bed now
02:03 blakeman1 bye
02:03 NekoGloop can't use wood as fuel what
02:04 blakeman1 where do i save my skin at?
02:04 NekoGloop er, wait, im just derping
02:05 blakeman1 ...
02:07 NekoGloop 2x2 microcontroller? That's a macrocontroller ;D
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02:10 blakeman1 how long does it take to join vanessa's server?
02:10 * arsdragonfly is looking through the chat log
02:10 arsdragonfly IMHO it depends on your connection
02:10 blakeman1 ping or download speed?
02:11 arsdragonfly idk
02:11 blakeman1 46 ms
02:11 Exio i want those pings to everywhere
02:11 blakeman1 27 mbps
02:11 arsdragonfly WOW
02:12 arsdragonfly >200ms when I try to join any server
02:12 blakeman1 isp is comcastr
02:12 blakeman1 *comcast
02:13 blakeman1 the highest download ive ever gotten was like 42 mbps
02:13 arsdragonfly Seems ppl fail to communicate well here a few hours ago
02:13 * arsdragonfly never reached that speed :-(
02:13 blakeman1 Vanessa's server its taking really long
02:14 Exio blakeman1: MT is pretty slow when downloading with its own "protocol"
02:14 Exio if VanessaE didn't refuse to use a httpd for serving the cache.. :P
02:15 blakeman1 is "Could not load mesh, because file could not be opened: wield3d_character.x" ok?
02:17 blakeman1 Exio
02:17 Exio i guess?
02:17 Exio i never used the wield3d mod
02:18 blakeman1 do i need to install it?
02:18 Exio nope
02:18 Exio *all* the stuff gets downloaded from the server
02:18 ShadowNinja blakeman1: Yes, ignore that.
02:18 Exio even the default game are mods blakeman1 :P
02:18 blakeman1 her server takes a loooooooong time
02:19 blakeman1 is the "Advanced" tab for running your own server?
02:19 ShadowNinja Try mine. :-)
02:19 blakeman1 your server?
02:19 ShadowNinja blakeman1: It works for that. But if you want a dedicated server you don't use that.
02:20 blakeman1 dedicated means?
02:20 ShadowNinja blakeman1: See the serverlist. shadowninja.minetest.net
02:20 blakeman1 kk
02:20 ShadowNinja blakeman1: One that you will keep up. Not just while you are playing.
02:20 blakeman1 MT keeps crashing because of it not responding
02:21 blakeman1 ok
02:21 StarBlessed Ok...  I think I have this Media Server sorted...
02:22 StarBlessed With Zip support too
02:22 blakeman1 now i cant play on a server
02:22 blakeman1 when it loads images, it flashes super fast
02:22 NekoGloop you turned off preload item visuals didnt you
02:23 blakeman1 i did one time but then i checked it again
02:24 blakeman1 should i send you my .conf
02:24 ShadowNinja blakeman1: Keep it off.
02:24 blakeman1 ok
02:24 ShadowNinja It can easily double the load time.
02:24 blakeman1 uh... shadow
02:25 blakeman1 i joined your server without a password...
02:25 blakeman1 what do i do?
02:25 ShadowNinja That shouldn't be allowed...
02:25 ShadowNinja Use an empty password?
02:25 ShadowNinja I can reset it if you like.
02:26 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: LuaVoxelManip: Fix minor bug with set_lighting, remove coordinate params for light and liquid updates 067888d549 2013-06-29T19:23:00-07:00 http://git.io/mzfSkw
02:26 blakeman1 W00T
02:26 StarBlessed Ok, so here we go.  http://minetest.viewskew.com Username and password is : guest
02:26 ShadowNinja And change your password soon.
02:26 StarBlessed Cant upload as a guest, but let me know what you think of the interface etc
02:26 blakeman1 what is this?
02:26 Exio StarBlessed: is the main account "admin", and its password "admin"? ;P
02:27 Exio blakeman1: this = ?
02:27 StarBlessed LMAO!  No Exio.  You can try it though ;)
02:27 StarBlessed blakeman1: It doesnt apply to you.
02:28 blakeman1 D:
02:28 blakeman1 anyone editing?
02:29 StarBlessed What do you think Exio.  Do you think it'll be sufficient?  The path for the server conf is http://minetest.viewskew.com/Minetest_Media/
02:29 Exio i'll check now
02:29 Exio was closing stuff
02:29 Exio Oh, Javascript is disabled!
02:29 Exio aww
02:30 StarBlessed lol
02:31 Exio where is the backdoor StarBlessed?
02:31 StarBlessed Im sitting on it :P
02:31 hacker lol
02:31 Exio hacker is the best i ever had
02:31 Exio s/best/best nick/
02:31 NekoGloop Exio, so the number input for the damage system is the damage dealt?
02:32 StarBlessed Please dont attempt to break it...
02:32 StarBlessed I have to go edit the PHP to allow for larger file uploads.
02:32 NekoGloop yes?
02:32 StarBlessed Its only set to 8Mb for now
02:32 Exio StarBlessed: i can't even break my own system! :P
02:33 Exio NekoGloop: seems so? :D
02:33 Exio k, now night for realz
02:33 NekoGloop nou
02:33 NekoGloop stay here with us forever
02:33 * hacker bites NekoGloop
02:33 * NekoGloop is infected with the virus
02:34 hacker i hacked you!
02:34 hacker ;P
02:34 StarBlessed BRB
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02:39 NekoGloop anyone feel like making mese/bronze/diamond versions of the two glooptest tools? :D
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03:00 sokomine hmmmm: i tried to access/manipulate a 16x16x16 area with voxelmanipulator (just for testing). to my astonishment i got a 32x32x32 area
03:00 sokomine hmmmm: in effect, i did vm:read_from_map( {x=0,y=0,z=0},{x=16,y=16,z=16})
03:02 hmmmm yup
03:02 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on hmmmm's head
03:03 hmmmm why does that matter, though?
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03:03 * StarBlessed puts a pony on NekoGloop's head
03:03 * NekoGloop squish
03:03 sokomine it confuses me
03:03 sokomine is there a point in it?
03:03 sokomine shall i stick manually to a region of it?
03:04 hmmmm because that's just the way it works out
03:04 hmmmm yes, stick to your region that you requested
03:04 sokomine ok *climbing back in that 16x16x16 region*
03:05 StarBlessed Hey sokomine.  Its great to see you using MediaGoblin.  :D
03:05 sokomine is there any pattern to it? anything special to expect? hm, perhaps those return values from read_from_map have a meaning?
03:06 sokomine starblessed: thanks for it :-) it was a bit difficult to use in part - especially because it didn't show me the image immediately. but it worked out fine for the travelnet and the replacer mod. i didn't find the energy to do my cottages mod yet. that has a lot of images
03:06 hmmmm yeah, maybe they do have a meaning ..
03:07 sokomine starblessed: perhaps you ought to add a region for binary data? for those schems that will most likely soon be exchanged by people? they're a more compact format than worldedit export
03:07 hmmmm if you're not using the VoxelArea class to simplify data array indexing, you really ought to be
03:09 sokomine what i was trying for now was importing a very small minecraft classic map. the voxelmanipulator ought to be especially fine for that. for a start, i just translated the values
03:09 hmmmm https://github.com/kwolekr/mcconvert
03:11 sokomine does that write the mapfile directly?
03:11 hmmmm yup
03:12 sokomine sounds helpful
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03:14 StarBlessed Thanks sokomine, I might look into it.
03:20 * blakeman1 slapped StarBlessed with a chicken strip
03:20 * StarBlessed doesnt care
03:20 * blakeman1 wanted to start a /me battle
03:20 * blakeman1 is sad :(
03:20 * NekoGloop places a kitten generator
03:21 ImFabuloisBiatch :3
03:21 ImFabuloisBiatch i got dat makeup
03:21 ImFabuloisBiatch and dat fashion
03:22 NekoGloop and dat ass
03:22 blakeman1 hmmm. Notch is registered
03:22 NekoGloop there's a #minecraft
03:22 NekoGloop of course it's registered
03:23 blakeman1 oh, yeah
03:23 blakeman1 how do i register?
03:23 NekoGloop magic
03:24 NekoGloop also it's stupid that we can't post non-derivative liscenced mods.
03:24 blakeman1 guys, how do i register?
03:24 * ShadowNinja disagrees.
03:24 ShadowNinja blakeman1: Same as on InchraNet.
03:25 blakeman1 forgot XP
03:25 NekoGloop Allow freedom of liscence, not enforcement of open-source
03:26 ShadowNinja blakeman1: /ns help register
03:26 kaeza NekoGloop, you can post -ND mods in the forum
03:26 kaeza you are free to do so
03:27 kaeza (it won't be moved to releases tho')
03:27 NekoGloop and then get hate from everyone because "lol forum rulez read dem"
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03:27 NekoGloop Yes. And that's the stupid decision part.
03:27 blakeman1 hey jordan
03:27 jordan4ibanez Hello.
03:27 NekoGloop It could be the best freakin mod in all of minetest. But if it's closed source or noderivs, then you can't have it be a "released" mod.
03:29 NekoGloop hello jordan4ibanez.
03:29 jordan4ibanez Hi NekoGloop.
03:30 * NekoGloop gives jordan4ibanez a cookie
03:30 jordan4ibanez Thank you.
03:31 NekoGloop welcome =3
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03:33 NekoGloop Is max_drop_level employed anywhere yet?
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03:42 deasanta was max_drop_level prepeared to work for minimum wages? :)
03:42 NekoGloop I'm sure it would love to be put to work
03:42 ShadowNinja Heh.
03:43 deasanta question - anyone know how the new 3d player model is updated or needs to be updated when attaching the player to an entity such as a boat?
03:43 deasanta used to work with pilzadams boats but not with new default
03:43 deasanta player is not updated and stays behind
03:45 * NekoGloop muses to self: glooptest is updated and functioning totally, hopefully, in 0.4.7
03:45 ShadowNinja Good question to nudge PilzAdam with.
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03:50 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on RealBadangel's head
03:50 RealBadangel hi NekoGloop
03:51 NekoGloop sup
03:52 RealBadangel nothin special, updating repositories now
03:52 NekoGloop cool
03:52 RealBadangel technic indev and master is now synced in technic_game
03:52 NekoGloop speaking of updating repos, glooptest tools deal damage in 0.4.7 now
03:53 kaeza hey RealBadangel
03:53 RealBadangel hi kaeza
03:54 kaeza how's it going?
03:54 NekoGloop https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest Meow
03:54 RealBadangel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic_game
03:54 RealBadangel kaeza, pretty much to do
03:55 * kaeza clones both
03:55 NekoGloop hehe
03:56 NekoGloop don't start using mine yet; I'm addin new worldgen soon
03:56 NekoGloop soon as in within the week
03:56 RealBadangel note that now technic now comes as a game, with all the mods needed to run
03:56 kaeza this is going to kill my bandwidth -.-
03:57 NekoGloop you can ignore mine for now; as i said, new worldgen soon, best to let it all generate the same
03:57 kaeza k
03:58 NekoGloop ehwot
03:58 NekoGloop I already have bronze tool texture wut
03:58 RealBadangel so, the creative mod is removed from here, also there will be lotsa changes to default mods
03:58 kaeza RealBadangel, it's interesting that the entire technic_game repo is way smaller than technic modpack alone
03:58 kaeza stupid git history
03:59 RealBadangel speaking of which, who knows wheres proper lava cooling code?
04:00 NekoGloop not that anyone was speaking of that
04:00 RealBadangel kaeza, i will provide also simple zip download from my server, so git will be used only by contributors
04:00 RealBadangel i know that theres somwhere better one than that by PA
04:00 kaeza it's better for me to use git
04:01 kaeza less to download in case of updates
04:01 kaeza BTW: 00:59:28: ERROR[main]: generate_image(): Creating a dummy image for "bucharest_tree.png"
04:01 RealBadangel ah yes, i have to remove it
04:01 RealBadangel i dont even know what that bucharest tree is
04:01 RealBadangel it came with cnc code
04:02 StarBlessed http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97314#p97314
04:03 kaeza StarBlessed, nice
04:03 StarBlessed I cant help much, but ill do what i can.
04:04 StarBlessed Been feelin a bit guilty for not getting back to the videos.
04:04 StarBlessed Ill get there though
04:05 RealBadangel kaeza, fixed
04:07 RealBadangel i can see sphax texture pack now supports technic, nice
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04:14 * NekoGloop wonders if anyone ever used hammers to mine stone...
04:15 NekoGloop or even at all.
04:15 kaeza RealBadangel, pulled
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04:18 Bolt473 How do I register
04:19 StarBlessed Register what Bolt473 ?
04:19 Bolt473 my nickname
04:19 StarBlessed On IRC?
04:19 StarBlessed You dont need to register for Minetest
04:19 StarBlessed Unless you want to post in the forums
04:20 Bolt473 nvm figured it our
04:20 Bolt473 *out
04:21 StarBlessed k
04:22 Bolt473 I wanted to register my IRC nickname
04:22 NekoGloop magic
04:23 NekoGloop also yay bronze, mese, and diamond support in glooptest
04:24 RealBadangel http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6412
04:24 NekoGloop moonflower?
04:25 NekoGloop :O
04:25 RealBadangel yup, by Taoki. it glows at night
04:25 NekoGloop huh, cool
04:25 RealBadangel and will be a source for glowing dye
04:25 NekoGloop does it visibly bloom as well?
04:25 RealBadangel and thus way to craft any glowing nodes
04:26 RealBadangel it opens at night and starts to glow
04:26 NekoGloop cool
04:27 RealBadangel she had pretty original idea
04:27 NekoGloop actually I've seen that before xD
04:28 NekoGloop https://github.com/ProjectZulu/Project-Zulu/wiki/Night-Bloom
04:35 RealBadangel way at least original in minetest :)
04:35 RealBadangel i mean something new
04:40 RealBadangel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic_game/commit/9a55a0e4d31041a5d78685253fb5dd4aa21e7fd4
04:41 RealBadangel at least :)
04:46 RealBadangel btw, kaeaza, try now wooden chests and regular furnace
04:47 RealBadangel but place on the ground new ones
04:56 kaeza what about them?
04:58 RealBadangel theyre using now UI's theme
04:59 StarBlessed Updated with a list of supported Mods : http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97325#p97325
04:59 RealBadangel http://i.imgur.com/sgvm1QJ.jpg
05:00 RealBadangel StarBlessed, technic_master gonna merge indev changes in a few minutes
05:01 StarBlessed So re add it?
05:01 RealBadangel hold on for update
05:01 StarBlessed Ok
05:01 NekoGloop RealBadangel, do you have a menu setup? :O
05:02 StarBlessed Do you think thats enough support for now though?
05:02 StarBlessed The top mods in the "popular" section..
05:02 kaeza RealBadangel, ah, nice
05:02 kaeza didn't notice that :P
05:03 NekoGloop StarBlessed, sure
05:03 kaeza so they are texturable?
05:03 RealBadangel i will make all the formspecs to be this style
05:06 RealBadangel technic_game definitely wont follow minimalism of minetest_game
05:07 NekoGloop So I'm assuming that if I wanna play with any other mods, I can't play with technic
05:07 RealBadangel why not?
05:08 NekoGloop because fuck how gamemodes and mods work
05:08 RealBadangel put the extra mods into game's folder and solved
05:09 RealBadangel no need to configure them even
05:13 RealBadangel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/commit/8e03d7ded6441b26e9d44102c0cd2ee39f9e90bc
05:13 RealBadangel technic_master is also synced now
05:14 StarBlessed Ok, thanks
05:16 NekoGloop I, for one, do not like the new way of installing mods.
05:16 RealBadangel NekoGloop, i dont think there are problems
05:17 RealBadangel http://i.imgur.com/QjwmLqM.jpg
05:17 NekoGloop Yes, but EVERY MOD IS DISABLED BY DEFAULT
05:17 NekoGloop and you have to enable every individual one per-world
05:18 RealBadangel yeah, some may not like it
05:18 RealBadangel solution for it is, as i said, putting the mods into game's folder
05:19 RealBadangel game's mods dont have to be configured at all
05:19 NekoGloop which is stupid
05:19 NekoGloop Just enable them by default, and let us disable individual ones.
05:20 RealBadangel you are propably right, that could be more comfortable
05:21 ShadowNinja ^ I agree.
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05:22 Guest78396 hello!
05:22 * NekoGloop wonders if there's an on_rightclick for items yet, and if it works nicely
05:22 Guest78396 stupid guest
05:23 Guest78396 /nick blakeman1
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05:24 blakeman1 test
05:24 blakeman1 there we go
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05:48 VanessaE hi all.
05:48 blakeman1 wb VanessaE
05:49 VanessaE thanks
05:51 deasanta hi
05:51 ShadowNinja I fixed nick changing tracking with auto-sleep. Now I slezz...
05:51 blakeman1 hello
05:55 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on Vanessa's head
05:55 * VanessaE pets the kitten and puts it in OldCoder's pile.
05:55 NekoGloop Paramat... How does this guy.... What... I don't even... *head explodes*
05:56 VanessaE yeah, he's THAT good.
06:05 NekoGloop also thaumtest :O
06:05 VanessaE no idea what that is
06:05 NekoGloop I do
06:05 NekoGloop Trust me, if he implements HALF of the stuff from the MC mod he's basing it off of, you guys'll all love him eternally...
06:06 NekoGloop it's a really cool mod
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06:14 deasanta anyone here ever exorted a model from blender into minetest? i have an issue with 3ds but obj and x works fine. also any objections to using obj files for simple meshes?
06:15 kaeza deasanta, if it's your mod, it's up to you what to use
06:16 deasanta its supported by the engine but not sure if it works on a linux or mac yet
06:16 deasanta tmx kazea
06:16 kaeza np
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06:30 kaeza "the answer is false (2+2x2 = 6 but ? has a value of 63 :-)  )" <-- best troll answer
06:31 RealBadangel deasanta, compile irrlicht examples and use meshviewer example to test imported models
06:32 RealBadangel what will work in the example will also work in minetest
06:32 VanessaE kaeza: :D
06:32 deasanta thanks readbadangel
06:32 RealBadangel http://i.imgur.com/OapBLIO.jpg
06:33 deasanta i've tested using minetest client on win32 and its working fine with obj which is slightly smaler than 3ds and a well known format
06:33 deasanta lol 3d in voxel world
06:34 VanessaE deasanta: that dwarf is an Irrlicht standard model
06:34 VanessaE Minetest uses Irrlicht for its 3d system :)
06:35 RealBadangel in fact you can use any meshes in minetest
06:35 VanessaE RealBadangel: how goes the plans to make node meshes?
06:35 deasanta yeah saw that - tnx - only thing is 3ds export does not work? obj and x seems fine - https://github.com/deasanta/minetest-deasanta/tree/master/PilzAdam-boats
06:35 RealBadangel need to sort other things first
06:35 deasanta using blender 2.67a on win32
06:36 deasanta did the bone/armature/vertex names groups as per minetest wiki
06:36 deasanta but clients says unable to import :(
06:36 RealBadangel im using .x models only
06:37 deasanta size diff between obj and x - x is 10x bigger
06:37 RealBadangel who cares?
06:37 RealBadangel ram is cheap
06:38 deasanta for somereason minetest is fast over short distance connections - im in new zealand and on fibre and it is fast but i have issues connecting to european connections - american ones are not too bad
06:39 deasanta the way minetest loads these 20mb+ mods can take 2-3 minutes (if im lucky) but if it is in new zealand it willl only take a few seconds
06:40 VanessaE deasanta: this is a known issue that no one wants to bother to fix except to tell the server owners to set up third-party external web servers to host the mods' media files.
06:40 deasanta your stuff is hosted in the us isn't it ralbad?
06:40 VanessaE RealBadangel is in Poland.
06:40 deasanta srry was thinking of oldcoder
06:40 StarBlessed Working on it VanessaE
06:40 VanessaE StarBlessed: on what?
06:41 StarBlessed A global media host that houses all the most common mods : http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6411
06:41 VanessaE oh right, I saw that
06:41 deasanta vanessae - i saw the conversation you had with pilzadam about it :) - can see your and his points on it.
06:44 deasanta tnx vanessae / readbadangel / kaeza
06:45 StarBlessed Ok RealBadangel - Updated with the latest media for technic-master
06:45 deasanta http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1389294/minetest/PilzAdam-boats-001.jpg
06:46 RealBadangel StarBlessed, ok, thx
06:46 StarBlessed Would you like an ID so you can just upload it yourself?  It just overwrites your old content anyway
06:47 StarBlessed In the future I mean
06:47 VanessaE all my stuff's on github so keeping it in sync should be easy enough
06:48 StarBlessed Im not too good at writing scripts Vanessa, but that can come in the future.  I'd have to write a clone for every different git.
06:48 VanessaE it's all those modders out there that just release their stuff as ZIP files that complicated things..
06:49 VanessaE true
06:49 StarBlessed Its just as easy to download a zip, destructure it for the media files and upload a zip.  It can be extracted once its uploaded via the web interface.
06:49 VanessaE the only other way to do it is to scrape the modding general and mod releases sections looking for downloadable files and do a mass extract-and-copy on everything you find
06:59 StarBlessed LOL!  DownThemAll!
06:59 StarBlessed I'd have to setup a spider.
06:59 VanessaE yep.
07:00 VanessaE of course G*d knows how much of that will end up out-of-date :)
07:00 VanessaE (multiple links in a post, multiple forks, etc)
07:10 StarBlessed Well, there's 10Gb of space, so it wont matter too much if there is overage.
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07:38 StarBlessed GOT IT!
07:39 StarBlessed I just wrote a script that will pull from every git I list!  Then a second script will sort the media files and dump them in the Global folder!
07:39 StarBlessed w00t!
07:39 VanessaE nice
07:39 StarBlessed Cron job every 24 hours and it will constantly be up to date
07:39 StarBlessed Yay for bash!
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07:51 StarBlessed Any suggestions for other mods to add?
07:57 deasanta starblesses is https://github.com/PilzAdam/signs in there?
07:58 VanessaE use homedecor's version :P
08:00 deasanta ah - see it - tnx vanessae
08:00 StarBlessed Hmmm...  Well Heres a current list of added mods : http://minetest.viewskew.com/Minetest_Media/Temp/
08:00 StarBlessed It includes a pull for your mods Vanessa
08:01 VanessaE cool :)
08:01 StarBlessed Ok, so the list includes ONLY those with git repos.
08:02 deasanta so if you use the media curl option then the engine will still send what is in the mods/../texture folders? so that you can mix curl and normal?
08:03 deasanta remaining textures i mean
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08:08 StarBlessed Ok, all done :)
08:08 deasanta <StarBlessed> - can you include a optipng or crushpng on the folderin the bash script  in case the last upload etc did not include that?
08:08 Calinou hi
08:08 VanessaE hi
08:09 StarBlessed deasanta: no.  It is a compression optimizer.  I have no interest in organizing that.  Im only housing the media files for the mods.
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08:11 StarBlessed The idea is to decrease login times for servers.  The media files are direct copies from the git repo's.  Im not going to alter them in any way.
08:11 deasanta k - thought it may help to keep sizes small and run at the end of the script after the downloads...
08:11 deasanta starblessed - tnx for hosting!
08:11 StarBlessed The files should be optimized before they're uploaded to the git anyway.
08:11 StarBlessed NP
08:11 StarBlessed Hey Calinou
08:12 deasanta yeah - if seens lots of mods with pngs in in that are not even used
08:12 Calinou newsflash: people still get excited about 6 year old hardware: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97316#p97316
08:13 StarBlessed Good on him.  I game my son a 9 year old GP2X.  He thinks its the best thing since I accidentally set fire to my face.
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08:13 StarBlessed deasanta: thats up to the mod developer
08:14 deasanta yup - agreed - and some take care and some are sloppy :)
08:14 StarBlessed VanessaE: Ill check the file time stamps tomorrow to make sure they're updating daily.
08:14 savedgames Do you like servers which add music to the game? Do you see it as a feature to add music to the base game or is that up to the server hosters, what mods they want to enable?
08:14 VanessaE ok
08:14 StarBlessed perhaps deasanta.  But it doesnt matter.
08:14 Calinou savedgames: I don't, at all
08:15 Calinou just like sound-playing websites
08:15 Calinou not to mention 90% of sounds provided by mods are way too loud
08:15 savedgames Calinou, then I guess you will give good feedback on if a sound is good or not :)
08:15 StarBlessed savedgames: I dont mind ambient sound, perhaps very subtle atmospheric music.  But it has to be around 5 - 10% volume
08:16 Calinou very subtle ambience is fine
08:16 Calinou but it should be disableable
08:16 StarBlessed Agreed.
08:16 VanessaE Calinou: and many mods' sounds depend on a feature in the engine that's busted anyway (and thus the sounds are either too loud or too quiet)
08:16 StarBlessed Calinou: I added your git to the list as well
08:16 deasanta ambience is good - i think the game could come with a defaullt wich a hoster may want to add to or override...
08:18 StarBlessed Did I get all of yours VanessaE?
08:19 VanessaE link?
08:19 StarBlessed Oh, right. http://minetest.viewskew.com/Minetest_Media/Temp/
08:21 VanessaE you missed coloredwood (https://github.com/VanessaE/coloredwood), plantlife (https://github.com/VanessaE/plantlife), gloopblocks (https://github.com/VanessaE/gloopblocks), and moretrees (https://github.com/VanessaE/moretrees)
08:21 StarBlessed Ok.  Do you want them all added?
08:21 VanessaE may as well, people do seem to use them
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08:23 VanessaE ok, I need to get to bed.
08:23 VanessaE getting really tired now
08:24 VanessaE night all.
08:24 blakeman1 goodnight
08:24 StarBlessed Night
08:24 bas080 Hey people. I was checking the api doc and noticed....
08:24 bas080 ----- Schematic-type parameters
08:24 bas080 is this for spawning nodes?
08:25 Calinou bas080: LuaVoxelManip was recently added
08:25 Calinou it allows spawning nodes quickly
08:26 StarBlessed VanessaE's mods are all done now
08:26 StarBlessed Calinou: are there any mods you'd like to see added?  They have to be on git repos though
08:28 Calinou nah
08:28 svuorela urgh. bed mod is buggy. added it to my skyblock game and when I laid in my bed, I fell thru :/
08:29 Calinou lol
08:29 StarBlessed lol
08:29 StarBlessed Ok. BBL
08:29 StarBlessed See ya folks
08:29 deasanta later
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08:34 bas080 Calinou, thnx. I'll make sure to look into it.
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09:21 Razoe Vanessa?
09:21 Razoe Its Razor
09:22 Jordach hello Taoki
09:22 Jordach :D
09:23 Taoki hi
09:27 Jordach when i read your post, it was gone midnight
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09:32 Jordach hey StarBlessed
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09:32 StarBlessed Bad Jordach.  Naughty Jordach.  Making me stop my gaming to come back to IRC :P
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09:33 Jordach lol StarBlessed
09:33 StarBlessed Im happy to set you up a server if you wanna run a Minetest instance bro.  You can build till your hearts content ;)
09:34 Jordach StarBlessed, hand me ssh and i do the rest
09:34 Jordach i've used it before
09:34 Jordach with host1free
09:34 StarBlessed Ok.  Give me a few.
09:34 Jordach sure
09:34 Jordach i prefer debian
09:34 StarBlessed LOL!  you'll get what youre given.  :P
09:35 Jordach ikr
09:41 * Calinou gives Jordach a pony
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09:55 BlockMen hi
09:55 Calinou hi
09:58 BlockMen Calinou, what do you think about this: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/User:BlockMen/ReworkedMain ?
09:58 BlockMen mainly the colors
10:00 * arsdragonfly got a new rig
10:00 arsdragonfly Dualc
10:00 Jordach Core*
10:00 arsdragonfly *dual core,7600gt
10:00 Jordach ninja'd
10:01 StarBlessed Hand me down?
10:03 arsdragonfly Anyone who can recommend a distro?
10:03 Jordach arsdragonfly, mint
10:03 Calinou arsdragonfly: lol
10:04 Calinou "new" rig?
10:04 Jordach or arch, if you're feeling skilled
10:04 Calinou 1) dual core is something 10 years old 2) a 7600GT is a 7 year old card
10:04 arsdragonfly Lol a second handed one
10:04 Calinou very second handed one
10:04 Jordach bullshit is intel duo core old
10:04 arsdragonfly Got it from my brother
10:04 Calinou arsdragonfly: how much did you buy it
10:04 Jordach it fits the pentium 4 socket
10:04 arsdragonfly 0$
10:04 Jordach and p4's were made up until 2007
10:04 Calinou Jordach: aren't pentium 4s LGA478?
10:04 Jordach 775
10:05 Calinou then C2Ds were 775?
10:05 Calinou ah
10:05 StarBlessed both
10:05 Jordach Calinou, i found one the other day
10:05 StarBlessed P4's were both 478 and 755
10:05 Jordach but it was under 1.9ghz
10:05 StarBlessed 775
10:05 Jordach i want two cores above 2ghz
10:05 * StarBlessed has 6 cores at 3.2 GHz
10:06 Jordach full steam ahead
10:06 Calinou 1155 master race
10:06 Calinou inb4 <StarBlessed> 2011 master race
10:06 StarBlessed AM3+ Awesomeness
10:06 Calinou oh
10:06 * arsdragonfly 's dual core are @1.6ghz
10:06 Jordach the two hardware titans, Calinou and StarBlessed battle it out
10:06 Calinou quad core with HT at 3.4ghz here :P
10:07 StarBlessed I have a netbook with those specs...
10:07 Calinou StarBlessed: few netbooks have dual core CPUs
10:07 Calinou most of the time, it's a single core, sadly
10:07 StarBlessed Calinou: It was a high end Sony.
10:07 Jordach Calinou, intel centrino here
10:07 StarBlessed 11 incher
10:08 Calinou Jordach: centrino isn't a CPU, it's intel wifi
10:09 Calinou but intel kept advertising it as if it was a CPU :P
10:09 Jordach oh, im intel core2
10:09 StarBlessed Centrino was an instruction set built into the CPU that was 'supposed' to increase the WiFi speed...
10:09 StarBlessed Sadly...  it did the opposite.
10:10 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/cLrBG2d.png
10:10 StarBlessed slowing down the machine because of the badly written drivers/junk software from intel to make it work
10:10 Calinou most of intel's software is junk, fact :P
10:10 BlockMen is code from builtin executed same way like mods?
10:10 Calinou except their linux driver, which is simple, but works
10:11 StarBlessed Well...  its Linux.
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10:12 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/4Bf2VhA.jpg
10:12 StarBlessed Jordach: http://mg.viewskew.com/u/starblessed/m/my-desktop/
10:13 Jordach StarBlessed, you've got a smaller hdd than me
10:13 arsdragonfly Jordach :what's the difference between mate and cinemanon?
10:13 StarBlessed Mine is an SSD
10:13 StarBlessed OCZ Vertex 4
10:13 arsdragonfly *cinnamon
10:13 Calinou lol, OCZ :P
10:14 Jordach one looks better
10:14 StarBlessed Mate is a fork of Gnome2.  Cinnamon is a rewrite of Gnome3 to make it more simplistic and easier to use for a Gnome/XFCE user.
10:14 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/5813442/
10:15 Calinou "Display Driver: vesa 2.3.2" :D
10:15 StarBlessed dont make me pull out the big guns...
10:15 StarBlessed LOL
10:15 StarBlessed Question...  Is this the geek equivalent of who has the bigger V8?  Like Dick measuring?
10:15 * Calinou is now in trackmania top 3000
10:15 Calinou 2989th
10:16 Calinou StarBlessed: well, yeah
10:16 StarBlessed LOL! ok.  I give up.  Im better with Yo Momma lines.
10:18 Jordach your mother was a trash compactor
10:18 StarBlessed Alright, lets get off my momma, coz I just got off yours.
10:18 Jordach lolololol
10:20 StarBlessed Yo mama so stupid she thinks taco bell is a mexican phone company
10:20 StarBlessed Yo Mama so fat her body mass index is measured in acres.
10:21 StarBlessed Yo Mama's so nasty, I talked to her over the computer and she gave me a virus.
10:21 Jordach lol
10:21 Calinou yo mama tells you to stop making yo mama jokes
10:21 Jordach lol
10:21 StarBlessed Told you I was better at Yo momma lines
10:21 * Calinou slaps StarBlessed using a "Increasing your wifi range using a unicorn - A practical guide" book
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10:22 StarBlessed :P
10:22 * StarBlessed wont bow to a /me war
10:23 StarBlessed Calinou is just jealous of my "Yo Momma" skillz
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10:27 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97343#p97343 <= huh?
10:28 Calinou I don't feel like making a MC4MT pack, but that's just me
10:28 Jordach Calinou, i abandoned it a while back
10:33 StarBlessed Ok, thats me folks.  See ya later arsdragonfly; Calinou & Jordach :)
10:33 StarBlessed Bye everyone else!
10:33 deasanta later - thanks again
10:33 StarBlessed NP
10:33 StarBlessed :D
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11:07 Jordach Taoki, screenshots you lazy pony
11:12 Taoki Jordach: Finishing up o the sky colors, to add that purple / orange tint. I should be all ready until tonight
11:12 Taoki BBL
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11:13 * john_minetest has 142 unsorted and 12 sorted page (total 154!!!) bookmarks in firefox...
11:13 Jordach john_minetest, i sorted all 400+ bookmarks in an hour. your turn.
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11:14 john_minetest I looked at the bookmarks. I thought I could maybe sort some out but most of them are interesting. I only used them once but they are very interesting so I keep them. And hi PilzAdam!
11:14 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:17 BlockMen hi
11:17 deasanta hi
11:19 svuorela PilzAdam: you're behind the beds, right ?
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11:19 deasanta pilzadam - i have a boat model for your boats mod but have a few questions about adding more boats - http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97330#p97330
11:24 deasanta anyone working on larger moving entites ? - http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1389294/minetest/testcaravel-low-quality-6mb-video.mp4
11:28 PilzAdam svuorela, wut?
11:29 john_minetest deasanta: Is this boat built out of blocks or a normal 3d model made in blender or any other 3d modeling program?
11:29 PilzAdam deasanta, Ill test that model later
11:30 deasanta model - blender - made to look like blocks
11:30 john_minetest nicew
11:30 svuorela PilzAdam: are you involved the in the beds mod ?
11:30 PilzAdam yes
11:31 deasanta tnx - the issue i have is i think the new defalut/player 's position isn't updating when viewed from another player's screen
11:31 deasanta the 3d player that is
11:31 svuorela PilzAdam: I think I has found a bug. When I lie in my bed in my skyblock setup (with floor 1 block thick) I fall thru the floor when going to sleep
11:31 PilzAdam yea, that happens sometimes
11:32 john_minetest If that bug existed in RL I would weak up on the couch.
11:32 john_minetest *wake
11:33 deasanta better than falling from a skyblock :))
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11:36 john_minetest Yeah. In skyblock I would fall infinite and be bored, in RL I would stand up and switch on the TV :D
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11:52 svuorela woopsie. half my area burned. lava close to wood is a bad idea.
11:53 Calinou john_minetest: but today's ISPs are pushing TV through internet, so you need to bring your wifi-unicorn with you
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11:56 john_minetest Calinou: Oh, my wifi-unicorn is on holidays in mallorca. It is just tanning on the beach. It was white, when it comes back it will be brown ;)
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12:11 * arsdragonfly is having a fucking hard time installing linux mint
12:12 arsdragonfly seems it cannot boot from a usb disk no matter how I tune the bios
12:12 arsdragonfly so I plugged my old hard disk -> boot with grub2
12:14 Calinou lol, can't even boot from USB
12:14 Calinou it's 2013 :P
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12:18 arsdragonfly believe it or not, my older rig could :-P
12:18 Calinou then it was more recent
12:19 arsdragonfly it wasn't
12:25 Calinou it had a better mobo then
12:33 Exio arsdragonfly: i used plop for those cases
12:34 Exio Calinou: the old mobo of my first desktop (2001 or 2003, i don't recall) wasn't able to boot from an usb key, but had options for that
12:34 arsdragonfly Exio :what's that?
12:35 Exio arsdragonfly: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html
12:35 Exio USB boot without BIOS support (UHCI, OHCI and EHCI)
12:35 Exio CD/DVD boot without BIOS support (IDE)
12:36 Exio it is a like a "second-bios" :P
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12:38 arsdragonfly oh ok
12:39 kaeza mornings
12:48 Calinou hi
12:50 kaeza Calinou, is there an option in moreblocks to disable facedir?
12:50 kaeza (for full blocks)
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12:58 john_minetest Hi Zeg9
12:58 Zeg9 Hello !
13:10 Calinou kaeza: wood_facedir = false
13:10 Calinou in mods/moreblocks/_config.txt
13:11 kaeza Calinou, ah thanks
13:11 * john_minetest is watching Scrubs S06E06 for the thousandst time
13:11 Calinou s/scrubs/MLP
13:12 kaeza sed: -e expression #1, char 5: unterminated `s' command
13:13 Calinou kaeza is the guy who tells people to finish their seds in our screwed up family
13:16 RealBadangel i made quite a few commits to technic today
13:17 RealBadangel there are  already quite a few machines with new formspecs
13:20 john_minetest arsdragonfly: My _very_ old computer also couldn't boot from USB.
13:20 kaeza is the forcefield functional?
13:20 john_minetest I used net booting to install linux.
13:21 * Calinou never used net booting
13:21 Calinou just USB drives, and a CD once
13:21 john_minetest CD is stupid because it is not rewritable like a USB stick.
13:21 john_minetest *an USB stick.
13:22 Calinou depends, CD-RW is rewritable
13:22 iqualfragile pxe is wonderfull if you have to install lots of machines
13:22 Calinou my current desktop does not have a SD card reader or a DVD drive :P
13:22 Calinou but I have like 10 USB ports :P
13:22 john_minetest iqualfragile: pxe also works perfectly with only one computer that hasn't got USB booting possibility.
13:23 iqualfragile usualy computers without usb-booting have cd drives
13:23 iqualfragile then you can just use plop
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13:25 john_minetest iqualfragile: As I said I don't like to waste a CD just to try out a distro that I might replace soon.
13:26 iqualfragile you can boot anything with plop, just burn it once
13:26 harrison plop plop fizz fizz
13:27 Calinou Exio begs to differ
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13:31 iqualfragile i have used the mayday tileset untill now, trying out ironhand right now
13:31 iqualfragile what you you usualy use?
13:32 Exio [10:21:47] <john_minetest> CD is stupid because it is not rewritable like a USB stick.
13:32 Exio i always had a CD with plop + my usb key :P
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13:33 Exio if the bios supports usb boot, i used it, if not, i booted it with plop and started the second distro, or a light DE/WM (lxde or openbox) on it
13:33 john_minetest I like net boot. It makes it possible to ease installs.
13:34 Ripper003 Hi everyone, how do I install minetest on a mac?
13:34 Exio when i'm installing, i normally don't have network or so :P
13:34 PilzAdam Ripper003, AFAIK there is no updated mac port
13:35 Ripper003 PilzAdam: Oh it has to be ported? Well damn...if there was an easy way to compile the source code into an installable DMG I'd happily do it.
13:35 Exio mainly because none of the core devs is rich
13:36 Ripper003 Exio: I hardly call myself rich, I gots a mac mini with edu discount :P
13:36 Exio how much was it?
13:36 Ripper003 £496.80
13:36 iqualfragile Ripper003: there is a port, but is reeeealy outdated
13:36 PilzAdam thats like 2 PS4s
13:37 Ripper003 PilzAdam: True, but you can't play Minetest on a PS4 :P
13:37 iqualfragile it might be better to just install linux on it
13:37 iqualfragile you can!
13:37 iqualfragile it runns freebsd
13:37 Exio isn't the PS4 the one with the amd cores?
13:37 iqualfragile & minetest runs on freebnsd
13:37 Ripper003 iqualfragile: Yes I've tried before, wifi card is a bitch though
13:37 iqualfragile bootcamp?
13:37 Ripper003 No windows disc
13:37 iqualfragile or however they call it
13:38 iqualfragile cant you use it to start linux?
13:38 Ripper003 Not anymore
13:38 PilzAdam is there anything like wine on mac?
13:38 Exio someone said mt in a vm worked pretty well
13:38 Exio PilzAdam: wine?
13:38 Ripper003 Nah I'd rather it was native, possibly be screen recording
13:38 Ripper003 I can give wine a shot though
13:39 Exio it is sad, but you will end faster trying to port the newest :P
13:39 Exio (than searching a working one)
13:40 Ripper003 Hmmm...well I know nothing of coding
13:43 Ripper003 apparently it can be built
13:44 Lyrositor There is something like Wine on Mac, I think it's called Wineskin.
13:44 Ripper003 Nah I'd rather build it
13:45 Ripper003 because then I can try and delivery an installable dmg, good place to learn I reckon
13:45 iqualfragile there is something like wine on mac, its called wine
13:47 Ripper003 get a program to run a program, makes perfect sense
13:48 PilzAdam Ripper003, yea, its called "Java" :-p
13:48 Ripper003 True dat
13:48 Ripper003 Well, Java is the language
13:48 Lyrositor Java often refers to the JVM too.
13:50 Ripper003 Also true dat, but at heart Java is the language and the JVM just allows it to be read
13:51 Ripper003 Just double checking, is this the full game as source? https://github.com/toabi/minetest
13:51 Lyrositor I think http://github.com/minetest/minetest if the official repo.
13:51 Exio the official source is at http://github.com/minetest/minetest
13:51 PilzAdam Ripper003, yea, but its horribly outdated
13:52 Ripper003 Aaaaah I see, ok then
13:52 Exio ( http://github.com/minetest/minetest_game is the "official game")
13:52 Ripper003 Wtf there's like 3 different repos?
13:52 Lyrositor Each serves different purposes.
13:52 Ripper003 which is the repo for the current 0.4.7 release then?
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13:52 Lyrositor minetest is the one you build.
13:53 iqualfragile all of them!
13:53 PilzAdam minetest/minetest is the engine, minetest/minetest_game is the game (Lua) and taobi/minetest is the mac port of the engine
13:53 iqualfragile actualy you can compile java to native code if you wish to
13:53 PilzAdam there are 0.4.4 stable ports for mac in the forums somwhere
13:54 Ripper003 I don't believe minetest_game is the full thing there's only like...two folders...
13:55 PilzAdam minetest is a engine, that allows games to define stuff via a Lua API
13:55 Exio Ripper003: the 'game content' is just a lot of lines and textures
13:55 Exio lines in lua :P
13:55 PilzAdam minetest_game basically consists of "minetest.register_node()" calls
13:56 Ripper003 riiiight
13:56 Ripper003 totally with you on that
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13:58 arsdragonfly omfg the installation program crashed :-(
13:59 Ripper003 going to run cmake -G Xcode using the master directory and see what happens
13:59 NekoGloop meow
13:59 Ripper003 command not found, loooovely
14:01 Exio if you don't have cmake, i guess you don't even have irrlicht, lua, etc
14:01 Ripper003 nopeses
14:01 Exio so, install all the dependencies first, and then try :P
14:02 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on Exio's head
14:02 Ripper003 blargh
14:02 * john_minetest puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head.
14:02 Ripper003 gimme a list of dependencies from somewhere?
14:02 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head
14:03 kaeza Ripper003, readme
14:03 john_minetest install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libfreetype6-dev
14:03 Ripper003 very helpful for OSX
14:04 Ripper003 now I see why there isn't a current OS X port <.<
14:06 NekoGloop yep
14:06 Ripper003 I'd love to help y'all out, but this is too deep for me
14:09 Exio Ripper003: the problem is, there isn't any core-dev (or active-dev, or whatever) compiling and using MT on mac os x
14:09 Ripper003 no use whining to me about it, I don't work for Apple :P
14:10 Zeg9 Q: are after_destruct and on_destruct supposed to work?
14:13 NekoGloop A: Probably
14:15 Lyrositor There exists a package manager for OS X, but I forget the name.
14:16 Lyrositor Ah, yes, Homebrew. If it's anything like Linux, you should be able to install those packages easily.
14:18 NekoGloop Q: Does anyone even use the two glooptest tools?
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14:31 RealBadangel http://i.imgur.com/7p6uMuc.png
14:31 RealBadangel new look of silver chest and new way of changing chest's infotext
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14:31 xrosnight hello guys
14:32 RealBadangel hi
14:32 xrosnight how to register minetest
14:32 john_minetest RealBadangel: Nice picture.
14:32 xrosnight hey RealBadangel
14:32 john_minetest xrosnight: hi
14:32 RealBadangel xrosnight, you dont have to register anything
14:32 xrosnight hello john_minetest how's everything going on :)
14:32 RealBadangel game is opensource and free
14:33 xrosnight okay. does the game store profile?
14:33 john_minetest xrosnight: You simply chose a password and username that you like. You can chose different ones for every server you join.
14:34 xrosnight okay thx  john_minetest i am liking it
14:34 xrosnight that's good. i got 50 fps
14:34 xrosnight how is that
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14:40 john_minetest Nice. Minetest uses the irrlicht engine and so it can run even on slow machines with reasonable speed.
14:41 xrosnight john_minetest: thats good . good job :)
14:41 xrosnight which server has most of the players?
14:43 john_minetest You can see it on the builtin server list
14:43 Calinou xrosnight: see erver list
14:43 NekoGloop one of them
14:43 Calinou you need cURL to see it
14:43 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on Calinou's head
14:43 Calinou if no server has players, then all of them, NekoGloop
14:43 john_minetest xrosnight: "Show public"
14:43 * Calinou puts a pony on NekoGloop's head
14:43 * NekoGloop is squished
14:43 * john_minetest puts an unicorn on NekoGloop's head
14:43 Calinou wifi unicorn*
14:44 NekoGloop is that what the horn is for?
14:44 Calinou well, yeah
14:44 john_minetest No, this is not the wifi unicorn.
14:44 Calinou "Increasing your wifi range with a unicorn - A practical guide"
14:44 Calinou john_minetest: a unicorn, not an unicorn
14:44 john_minetest My wifi unicorn is tanning on mallorca. It hates to be so white.
14:45 john_minetest Before vocals there is "an", in front of consonants there is "a", right?
14:45 NekoGloop Calinou, If a word starts with a vowel sound, then "an" is proper.
14:45 Zeg9 NekoGloop: register_ore: clust_scarcity and clust_num_oresmust be greater than 0 << I got this error in glooptest
14:45 NekoGloop I know
14:46 Calinou a unicorn, a university, an utter crap
14:46 NekoGloop I do play with my own mod
14:46 Calinou utter = uh-tter
14:46 Calinou unicorn = you-nicorn
14:46 Zeg9 It could have been a problem on my side
14:46 NekoGloop ;)
14:46 NekoGloop I am in the process of figuring out which ore is causing it
14:47 Zeg9 I tried to find it too, found nothing (didn't look as deep as I would do with my own mod though)
14:47 NekoGloop hehe
14:47 NekoGloop Yes I made my own function for registering everything about an ore
14:47 NekoGloop ;)
14:49 Zeg9 something like that should be done in minetest_game. There would be less copy-pasta of tools recipes and all.
14:49 NekoGloop also why do you say that about how "deep" it is?
14:49 NekoGloop isn't it deep enough as-is? :O
14:50 Zeg9 I mean that I just searched for chunk_size = 0 and a few like that
14:52 NekoGloop hrm
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14:54 NekoGloop that is a good question, which ore is causing it...
14:58 Zeg9 NekoGloop: found out, it's desert coal
14:58 NekoGloop Oh, right
14:59 NekoGloop it's still using the division format
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15:11 alex____ how to tide over night in minetest???
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15:15 NekoGloop magic
15:21 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/jAZguBY.png new-style akalin block~
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15:27 Calinou alex____: /time 6000
15:30 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/3BEQWWn.png alatro, new-styled!
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15:36 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on neko259's hea
15:36 NekoGloop head*
15:37 neko259 Purr!
15:37 NekoGloop hehe
15:37 * john_minetest has put all his kittens on heads of people in this channel. Now he hasn't got any kittens anymore. Except the one on the head.
15:37 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97409#p97409
15:38 PilzAdam have you ever wondered why math is useless? ^
15:40 arsdragonfly lolz
15:40 Zeg9 NekoGloop: looks nice
15:40 arsdragonfly a=b so /(a-b) is invalid
15:40 arsdragonfly divided by zero
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15:40 NekoGloop Zeg9, see github glooptest
15:41 PilzAdam arsdragonfly, let the others their fun trying to solve it ;-)
15:41 arsdragonfly k :-P
15:54 john_minetest PilzAdam: The other question of you is difficult.
15:57 * NekoGloop wonders if a random number of dropped items is possible...
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16:03 kaeza to anyone interested: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-xban/commit/f4825a613e2c32523a4d46c16685e4d65f2fe9ac
16:05 kaeza (probably should be fixed in core, too lazy)
16:06 NekoGloop Kalite Ore now drops More! :D
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16:22 Kacey i see rba got internet back
16:23 Kacey and NekoGloop came back
16:25 Kacey right after i fixed the damn kitten generator to run on bones
16:26 kaeza bbiab
16:28 NekoGloop Kacey, Kalite Ore Drops More!
16:28 Kacey there are plenty of bones
16:29 Kacey too many in fact
16:29 NekoGloop No seriously, kalite drops 2~4 kalite lumps now
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16:31 Kacey aah
16:32 Kacey well i never really played with that mod (i cant seem to remember the name)
16:32 NekoGloop Arol also seems to be rarer than mese, or I'm just unlucky
16:32 NekoGloop Glooptest? :P
16:32 Kacey aah i thought so lol
16:33 Kacey hey can you help me with one of my mods that died a while back? it had potential
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16:33 NekoGloop which one
16:33 NekoGloop a lot of your mods died
16:33 Kacey it is called xytest
16:34 Kacey you know xycraft?
16:34 NekoGloop s/xycraft/xylag/
16:34 NekoGloop yes I know the mod
16:34 Kacey https://github.com/Kaceyproductions/xytest
16:34 * Jordach pets NekoGloop like old times
16:35 Kacey it is a bit different, but it had potential
16:35 * NekoGloop purrs
16:36 john_minetest PilzAdam: I hope this solution is right: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97427#p97427
16:37 Calinou "Bon appetit."
16:37 Calinou appétit*
16:37 * Calinou is a native french speaker
16:37 Calinou fear my baguette!
16:37 Jordach é*
16:38 NekoGloop Hm... Arol has an astronomical amount of uses when made into a tool (10x diamond lol), so maybe being rarer than mese is good
16:38 PilzAdam john_minetest, nom nom nom
16:38 john_minetest PilzAdam: I forgot to include E=mc².
16:39 john_minetest So you are getting heavier when accelerating.
16:39 PilzAdam how dare you!
16:39 john_minetest But I have 7 points in physics.
16:39 john_minetest So I don't care.
16:39 * PilzAdam has 15
16:39 Jordach btw, i have been granted a server for minetest on the viewskew vps
16:39 NekoGloop 7 out of 100? ;)
16:39 PilzAdam out of 15
16:39 Kacey E does not equal mc²!!!!!!!!! i have disproved it 28 times!
16:40 NekoGloop Kacey, E = lowest grade possible, mc = minecraft
16:40 NekoGloop ;)
16:40 Kacey lol
16:40 Kacey the pc version of minecraft that is
16:40 Jordach minecraft*minecraft = minetest
16:40 PilzAdam john_minetest, but at school we always calculated without relativity, even with electrons that moved almost at the speed of light
16:41 john_minetest "You better be scared, because Albert E equals MC squared!"
16:41 Kacey because until we can play minetest on xbox, mc has us beat there
16:41 NekoGloop I'm pretty sure it's possible
16:41 john_minetest PilzAdam: I also haven't seen this when I looked up the twin theorem.
16:41 NekoGloop Nobody wants to do that much work though
16:41 john_minetest But now start to eat. In one year you can watch your 10 hours video in 20 minutes!
16:44 VanessaE hi all.
16:45 Calinou hi
16:45 Calinou john_mt|afk: away nicks kill
16:46 Jordach apparently: it usually takes 2-3 months for each new minetest version
16:46 ShadowNinja /kill *AFK* AFK nick!
16:47 Calinou Jordach: depends
16:49 Jordach Calinou, point me to moreblocks
16:51 Jordach mod suggestions for a sevrer
16:51 Jordach server*
16:51 Jordach (i've got moreblocks, simple mobs, carts...)
16:52 Jordach VanessaE, what's the easiest know area protection mod
16:52 Jordach sokomine, ^
16:52 Kacey hey does anyone know the new oregen code really well?
16:53 Calinou Kacey: why?
16:53 Calinou also, it's not that new :P
16:54 Calinou <Kacey> because until we can play minetest on xbox, mc has us beat there => it's your problem for buying 6 year old locked hardware
16:54 Kacey i want to make an ore that is rarer than diamonds, but spawns in a huge vein when you find some
16:54 Calinou not that hard
16:54 VanessaE Jordach: easiest to use is probably glomie's "protection" mod.  Most powerful is node_ownership.  Best is my fork thereof, at least until ShadowNinja releases his protector mod.
16:55 Jordach VanessaE, how does yours work?
16:55 Kacey Calinou, my xbox is nearly 10, so yeah...
16:55 PilzAdam Kacey, just copy the register_ore() call of diamonds, increase rarity, clust_size and clust_num_ores
16:55 VanessaE Jordach: same as the upstream version.  /set_owner foo x1,y1,z1 x2,y2,z2
16:55 Exio locked hardware is lame
16:55 Jordach VanessaE, point me the git link then
16:56 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/node_ownership-20130123.zip
16:57 Jordach i love wget
16:58 Jordach forgot to install apt-get file-roller lol
16:59 * Calinou uses wget like once per year
17:01 Exio aria2c is better for big downloads, true
17:01 Calinou chromium*
17:02 Exio the webbrowser? why?
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17:03 Calinou because!
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17:04 ShadowNinja VanessaE: If you want to test: http://shadowninja.minetest.net/areas.tar.gz
17:05 Jordach quick question: i want to just build the server on linux
17:06 PilzAdam Jordach, http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest#Building_without_Irrlicht.2FX_dependency
17:06 Calinou tip: irrlicht is not required for server
17:06 PilzAdam Calinou, it is
17:06 PilzAdam at least the headers
17:07 Calinou oh
17:07 Jordach ouch viewskew vps is quick
17:08 Jordach 501mb/s for github downloads
17:08 Calinou inb4 Jordach uses it to DDoS
17:08 Jordach HOLY SHIT
17:08 Jordach 50% built in 20 seconds
17:08 sfan5 hello
17:09 kaeza world
17:09 Jordach **
17:09 sfan5 :/
17:09 PilzAdam );
17:09 Exio [14:08:51] <Jordach> 50% built in 20 seconds
17:09 PilzAdam +"
17:09 Exio make -jx?
17:09 Jordach make -j4
17:09 Exio compiling the server only is very fast yes
17:10 Jordach it took 32 bit debian 6 and entire minute
17:10 Calinou >2013
17:10 Calinou >32 bit debian 6
17:10 Calinou Jordach: that's faster than me
17:10 NekoGloop >2013
17:10 NekoGloop >32 bit
17:10 Calinou I take about 1 minute to compile minetest with all my cores
17:11 Calinou oh, you're compiling server only
17:11 Exio Calinou: he is compiling the server only
17:11 Exio ew
17:14 Calinou why "ew"
17:16 NekoGloop away is now uber-away
17:18 Exio Calinou: because i saw the backlog after i pressed enter
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17:22 * NekoGloop forgets how to detect a mod from within lua...
17:22 VanessaE either check the type of one of its functions (to see if it actually IS a function) or try to use the get-modpath function on it.;
17:22 Calinou NekoGloop: minetest.get_moddir()
17:22 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: if minetest.get_modpath(mod)
17:22 Calinou oops
17:22 Calinou dofile(minetest.get_modpath("intllib").."/intllib.lua")
17:23 VanessaE what ShadowNinja said.
17:23 Calinou this: if (minetest.get_modpath("intllib")) then
17:23 NekoGloop ohi V
17:23 Calinou checks for mod "intllib"
17:23 VanessaE hi
17:23 VanessaE be sure you make the mod in question an opt depend
17:27 NekoGloop https://github.com/VanessaE/gloopblocks/pull/1
17:27 PilzAdam lol "== true"
17:27 NekoGloop ?
17:27 PilzAdam thats redundant
17:28 NekoGloop ?
17:28 PilzAdam !
17:28 NekoGloop .
17:28 VanessaE NekoGloop: mind squashing them?
17:28 PilzAdam ¿
17:28 VanessaE …
17:28 NekoGloop VanessaE, why?! :D
17:28 PilzAdam ¡
17:28 Calinou aw, PilzAdam ninja'd me
17:28 Calinou .â‹….
17:28 VanessaE ¨
17:29 NekoGloop ~
17:29 VanessaE NekoGloop: pweeze? :)
17:29 NekoGloop VanessaE, I was using github's editor, not sure if there's an easy way to do that
17:30 VanessaE no worries, I'll deal with it
17:31 NekoGloop main part of that is to allow tools to 100% function in 0.4.7
17:31 VanessaE right
17:31 NekoGloop second main part is evil sticks are craftable with gold ingots in place of kalite lumps without glooptest
17:32 NekoGloop Uses for gold? Yes. Promoting glooptest via allowing cheaper recipes? Yes.
17:32 NekoGloop ;)
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17:33 NekoGloop esp. with how kalite is now; it drops 2~4 lumps
17:35 VanessaE NekoGloop: merged.
17:35 NekoGloop hehe
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17:35 lamefun https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/797
17:36 lamefun can someone bring some more light on this :(?
17:36 lamefun unplayable
17:36 lamefun completely
17:36 NekoGloop not having the problem
17:36 NekoGloop also haven't played on a server in the last 3 months
17:36 PilzAdam lamefun, the admin is wrong
17:36 VanessaE lamefun: happens to everyone, to varying degrees
17:36 lamefun PilzAdam, why?
17:37 kaeza lamefun, get a better connection
17:37 VanessaE PilzAdam: I've had that happen occasionally even with anti-cheat disabled.
17:37 PilzAdam its definitely better with disable_anticheat
17:37 NekoGloop I've only had it occasionally happen with anticheat enabled >.>
17:37 lamefun Orby (Wazuland) said he tried
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17:39 lamefun Does anyone know exactly why does this happen?
17:39 NekoGloop VanessaE, update your server with gloopblocks + glooptest ;)
17:39 PilzAdam lamefun, it happens because of lag between the server and the client; but anticheat definitely makes it worse
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17:39 lamefun PilzAdam, exactly why does lag lead to this?
17:40 lamefun Aren't commands sent as reliable packets?
17:40 hmmmm hmmmm
17:40 hmmmm who wants mushrooms in caves?
17:40 lamefun I do
17:40 NekoGloop me
17:40 VanessaE lamefun: UDP isn't particularly reliable
17:40 PilzAdam it only happens if you have massive lag, with anticheat enabled even a bit lag is enough
17:41 NekoGloop get a better interwebs
17:41 VanessaE NekoGloop: can't restart the server right now, there are people on :)
17:43 NekoGloop egads
17:43 lamefun PilzAdam, why should lag be a problem?
17:43 lamefun commands aren't delayed
17:43 lamefun they are lost
17:43 NekoGloop glomie's server doesn't have animated kalite torches
17:44 PilzAdam if you wait long enough then the server gets your command
17:44 PilzAdam but until then you will see the node reapppearing
17:44 john_minetest Calinou: Away nicks are better than the /afk command that gives also a line of output in IRC.
17:45 PilzAdam john_minetest, the client decides whether it outputs something
17:45 PilzAdam if you configure it right then /away wont output anything
17:45 svuorela I have the impression that grown wheat gives often 0 or 1 seeds. and sometimes 2. but not at all as often as it gives 0, basically making a wheat farm a dead end without seeds from the outside
17:46 Jordach VanessaE, pastebin your script to restart your server
17:46 john_minetest I think it iw better to see if someone is afk or not on the first look
17:46 PilzAdam svuorela, nope, full grown wheat gives at least 1 seed every single time
17:46 Calinou it does not, john_minetest
17:46 svuorela PilzAdam: hmmm... then why do I see what I see ?
17:46 PilzAdam maybe its not full grown
17:47 VanessaE Jordach: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5814573/
17:47 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/c3xlygB.jpg retro akalin textures lol
17:48 svuorela I guess I should study wheat more closely.
17:48 john_minetest NekoGloop: I always read "Anakin" instead of "Akalin" :D
17:49 lamefun PilzAdam, waited 10 minutes, used up 2 picks, the blocks that re-appeared didn't disappear again
17:49 PilzAdam NekoGloop, you use my windows builds
17:49 VanessaE john_minetest: most clients set the 'away' flag, which shows up in other clients.
17:49 NekoGloop PilzAdam, I use whoever has the latest build
17:49 PilzAdam lamefun, then its the anticheat protection, turn the off then you have the lag only
17:49 john_minetest VanessaE: But in most cases it sends a long message.
17:50 Jordach VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/Nao8CDI.png
17:50 john_minetest Did it show a message?
17:50 NekoGloop which as of yesterday at approx. 9 pm EST, your build was latest
17:50 VanessaE NekoGloop: your copy of flowers_plus is out of date too :)
17:50 NekoGloop s/my/glomie's/
17:50 lamefun PilzAdam, what does that protection do?
17:50 NekoGloop or, s/your/glomie's/
17:51 john_minetest Jordach: Lol, very confusing to see nano inside a windows window.
17:51 VanessaE Jordach: you should include a log path also at least
17:51 john_minetest seems to be putty or similar
17:51 Jordach i dont use logfiles
17:51 VanessaE NekoGloop: glomie?  didn't know he had a fork of flowers.
17:51 NekoGloop his server
17:51 VanessaE oh ok
17:51 VanessaE well his copy is out of date then :P
17:51 NekoGloop he has outdated everything
17:53 * sokomine picks up some flowers and plants them in a garden
17:54 VanessaE maybe I'll do the seeds thing at some point.
17:54 ShadowNinja VanessaE: http://ix.io/6qS I little more advanced.
17:55 ShadowNinja Jordach: ^
17:55 Jordach meh
17:56 ShadowNinja However it requires psutil.
17:58 VanessaE ShadowNinja: wow
17:58 ShadowNinja Oh, and backup shutdown notices require external_cmd(possibly my version, but the stock one should work)
17:58 Taoki Jordach: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97450#p97450
17:59 VanessaE SCREENSHOTS!!!!!!
17:59 PilzAdam lamefun, it checks several things, one if it is if the player is inside the digging range of the node he wants to destroy; when the lag between server and client is too high, then the position of the player on the server is not up-to date with the position of the player on the client
17:59 VanessaE beautiful, Taoki !
17:59 Taoki Thanks :)
17:59 Taoki PilzAdam: ^ I hope there are no objections to the looks :)
17:59 NekoGloop Ohgodyes
17:59 PilzAdam lamefun, so the range checks says "nope", although the client thinks hes in the range
17:59 VanessaE Taoki: MERGE THAT.  NOW!
18:00 Taoki I'll give it a few more tests, see if there's anything I forgot, and do the pull request
18:00 Taoki VanessaE: Tell that to the developers I might potentially have to beg in case something in the code isn't right :P
18:00 Jordach Taoki, the intensity of fog is too much
18:01 Calinou looks good now
18:01 Taoki Jordach: It's darker now, some screenshots were taken before the brightness correction
18:01 Calinou Jordach: that's his view distance
18:01 Calinou *cough*fglrx*cough*
18:01 NekoGloop that too
18:01 VanessaE Taoki: I would suggest one last thing:  gradient above the foggy horizon
18:01 VanessaE from "current color" to transparent
18:01 VanessaE (to get rid of the sharp edge)
18:01 Taoki VanessaE: Would be nice but harder and more complicated to do. Some other time
18:01 VanessaE ok
18:02 NekoGloop you could do a check based on the player's y value
18:03 NekoGloop then render everything above that with uncolored fog
18:03 NekoGloop perhaps
18:03 NekoGloop might not look great but might look slightly better
18:05 PilzAdam Taoki, dont make the effect too heacy
18:05 PilzAdam *heavy
18:05 NekoGloop PilzAdam, he's on like nothing for render distance it seems
18:05 NekoGloop do a screen with a reasonable render distance too
18:05 Taoki PilzAdam: I want to make it intense enough, otherwise it won't meet the purpose of beautiful environments
18:05 Jordach PilzAdam,
18:05 Jordach <Jordach> Taoki, the intensity of fog is too much
18:05 Taoki Jordach: Tried with the latest code?
18:06 Jordach nope
18:06 NekoGloop Taoki, do a screen with more than 5 render distance please
18:06 PilzAdam Taoki, its a minor graphical improvement, and not a super-mega
18:06 PilzAdam *-uber feature in the players face
18:06 Taoki NekoGloop: Working on it
18:07 Taoki PilzAdam: I'm focusing more on the purpose and final looks, minor or not. But I'll see if I can reduce the blending and still have it look good
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18:07 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/eBJLd6w.png
18:07 RealBadangel http://i.imgur.com/kCYksWw.png
18:08 NekoGloop except it's a free game...
18:08 Taoki LOL, you were fast at that RBA :D
18:08 RealBadangel gold chest almost ready, together infotext edit and color picker
18:08 NekoGloop Is that a blaze rod I see there, RBA? ;)
18:08 Taoki PilzAdam: Problem is that tne vivid intensity of fog is exactly what makes it beautiful. If I remove that it will look uglier and be less than what it's intended
18:09 Jordach VanessaE, this look good for a minetest.conf: http://i.imgur.com/oVcm6Dt.png
18:09 NekoGloop Taoki, show us what it looks like with a sane render distance plox
18:09 VanessaE Taoki: can you make it configurable in minetest.conf ?
18:09 Taoki Posting new images now...
18:09 VanessaE Jordach: announce=0?  why?
18:10 Jordach does it show on the server list by default
18:10 VanessaE nope.
18:10 Jordach then what line would it be
18:10 VanessaE you have to announce.
18:10 VanessaE =1
18:10 VanessaE duh ;)
18:10 RealBadangel NekoGloop, blaze rod? if you mean tool in hand thats mining drill
18:10 RealBadangel sphax's texture pack
18:10 NekoGloop RealBadangel, no i mean the orangey thing in the GUI
18:10 VanessaE also set your server_url = [address of your forum thread]
18:11 Kacey bbl
18:11 VanessaE default_privs = hopefully more than just shout, e.g. fly, fast, etc.
18:11 RealBadangel at the top?
18:11 ShadowNinja Jordach: Add the IRC mod. :-) It will make it easier to ask for privs.
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18:11 NekoGloop RealBadangel, yes
18:11 Jordach ShadowNinja, hold on please
18:11 PilzAdam Jordach, DONT MAKE A CREATIVE SERVER!!!
18:11 Jordach PilzAdam, it isnt
18:12 RealBadangel its a pencil, click it to edit chest infotext
18:12 ShadowNinja LOL.
18:12 john_minetest VanessaE: Is there a map of your server?
18:12 VanessaE Jordach: make it creative - we have enough damn survival servers already.
18:12 Jordach yours is the best
18:12 VanessaE john_minetest: on the first post.  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4057
18:12 NekoGloop VanessaE, Erm. I can't find any survival ones, other than glomie's server which doesn't count because old mods
18:12 RealBadangel NekoGloop, like so: http://i.imgur.com/7p6uMuc.png
18:12 Taoki http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97455#p97455 Better screenshots
18:12 VanessaE NekoGloop: http://minetest.net/servers
18:12 Jordach \O/ spawn is v6_jungle
18:13 VanessaE most of those are survival
18:13 VanessaE well about half are.
18:13 Taoki http://i42.tinypic.com/2hzsvgn.png ---- http://i44.tinypic.com/jkevkg.png
18:13 NekoGloop Taoki, hrm, yeah, allow configurable fog intensity.
18:14 PilzAdam VanessaE, so the other half is creative
18:14 Taoki This doesn't feel like it needs to be configurable, but if the devs want I can do that
18:14 VanessaE PilzAdam: um.. duh?
18:14 PilzAdam but survival servers need a good ping, so Jordach VPS is perfect for this
18:15 NekoGloop Taoki, it looks kinda odd, especially in the first one
18:15 Jordach not to mention this is provided by StarBlessed
18:15 NekoGloop about half of that intensity would be good for me~
18:15 john_minetest VanessaE: I wonder if it is possible to change this map to an interactive map showing pubs, streets and train lines.
18:15 Taoki NekoGloop: It aims for a realistic to surrealistic feel
18:15 john_minetest Maybe with openstreetmap-tools
18:16 NekoGloop Taoki, can you at least -attempt- what half intensity looks like
18:16 Taoki NekoGloop: Was about to do that now. I will
18:16 PilzAdam Taoki, it seems like just applying the sun color is wrong here
18:16 Jordach PilzAdam, mt.viewskew.com
18:16 Jordach !up mt.viewskew.com
18:16 MinetestBot mt.viewskew.com:30000 is up (227ms)
18:16 ShadowBot Jordach: mt.viewskew.com:30000 is up (598ms)
18:16 Jordach uh oh
18:16 Jordach ShadowBot, shuch
18:16 PilzAdam ShadowBot, STFU
18:16 Jordach shush*
18:16 ShadowBot PilzAdam: The operation succeeded.
18:16 PilzAdam \o/
18:17 Taoki PilzAdam: I apply a color blend of my own, not the sun color
18:17 PilzAdam Taoki, oh, then the color is wrong
18:17 PilzAdam yellow fog is meh
18:17 sokomine nekogloop: there are many survival servers. which direction do you prefer? which mods would you like to see? what do you expect from a server?
18:17 NekoGloop erm
18:17 Taoki PilzAdam: I'm not sure how to improve on the formula any further or how to make that any better
18:17 Jordach PilzAdam, did you just join
18:17 ShadowNinja Hmmm...
18:17 PilzAdam downloading media...
18:18 PilzAdam Jordach, cURL?
18:18 Jordach remote_media isnt used
18:18 PilzAdam but... but why?
18:18 NekoGloop because pie
18:18 PilzAdam uh, oh, crashed
18:18 PilzAdam Assertion '!m_mesh_update_thread.IsRunning()' failed
18:18 Taoki NekoGloop: Half intensity looks acceptable, but way less beautiful :(
18:18 sokomine yes, happens sometimes
18:19 NekoGloop Taoki, screenies
18:19 Taoki Well, still pretty beautiful
18:19 Taoki Hold on
18:19 Taoki It's actually not that bad. Hmmm
18:19 NekoGloop I just don't want every node in the fog to look like some kind of solid orange block >.>
18:20 PilzAdam Jordach, 18:20:20: ERROR[main]: draw_hotbar(): mainlist == NULL
18:20 Jordach PilzAdam, im using the stable
18:23 * NekoGloop bugs Taoki for screenies of half-intense fog
18:23 Taoki NekoGloop: Coming, checking it a bit more
18:23 Taoki It looks better at half intensity yes
18:23 NekoGloop See? Listen to the kitty cat ;)
18:27 Exio what basic but light mods would you recommend (for survival)?
18:28 NekoGloop Glooptest.
18:28 * NekoGloop shameless plug
18:28 Exio what does it contain more than randomblocks
18:28 NekoGloop Um.
18:28 NekoGloop Edible rocks.
18:29 Exio and more than random rocks and blocks
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18:31 * john_minetest tries to figure out how to do a minetest map with layers like openstreetmap
18:34 Taoki NekoGloop, Jordach: With half intensity - http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97458#p97458
18:34 Taoki Already updated the comit
18:35 Taoki PilzAdam: ^ Does that seem ok enough intensity wise? I'm not going any lowrer... that's prolly the lowest it will go while still looking beautiful
18:35 Jordach Taoki, take 10% off
18:35 Jordach it looks better but just overpowered
18:35 VanessaE Taoki: those are good enough for me anyway :)
18:35 Taoki Jordach: Any lower would look ugly. It's really good now
18:38 Exio implement it with shaders?
18:38 Exio or how are you implementing that? :P
18:38 VanessaE Taoki: make the shading configurable in minetest.conf
18:38 NekoGloop Well you can tell that the farther nodes aren't just orange blocks
18:38 VanessaE then everyone's happy :)
18:38 Taoki VanessaE: You mean the intensity?
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18:38 Taoki Exio: In the Render function of sky.cpp
18:39 VanessaE the intensity yes, and the color tinting forumlas if at all possible
18:39 Taoki It just modifies the color before rendering, no need for shaders
18:39 Exio hmm
18:39 Taoki VanessaE: Shading is possible, color tinting formulas no
18:39 VanessaE just the shading then
18:39 VanessaE and any other variable you can think of that can affect the result in a predictable way
18:39 Exio Taoki: how does it look with shaders enabled?
18:40 Taoki My screenshots ARE with shaders enabled :P
18:40 Taoki And with them disabled, they look identical by all logics
18:40 Exio ah
18:40 Exio k
18:47 Taoki PilzAdam: Is the intensity ok for you in the latest code?
18:49 Taoki Though again, I'd rather throw the code away than decrease it any lower than 0.5. If I do it will totally lose the feel and effect
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18:51 MinetestBot GIT: proller@github.com commited to minetest/minetest: Fix sand, gravel falling stuck 37ca8854f7 2013-06-30T11:48:51-07:00 http://git.io/rJGFQQ
18:52 Exio is WE using the luavm?
18:52 NekoGloop Erm, wasn't that fixed forever ago
18:56 Taoki So... everyone happy with the latest fog thingie? I'll pull request it tonight.
18:56 Taoki Just no lower intensity than that... 0.5 is borderline perfect
18:59 VanessaE Taoki: screw everyone else, just merge it :D
18:59 Taoki VanessaE: I can't I don't have upstream access >_<
18:59 VanessaE shit.
18:59 Taoki I'll have to haunt PilzAdam most likely ;)
19:00 Taoki Plus him & celeron55 for the VBO code (even harder)
19:00 Taoki Well, not hard(ER), since so far none of the devs objected to the fog code
19:02 Exio 15:51:10: ERROR[main]: draw_hotbar(): mainlist == NULL
19:02 Exio what is this
19:02 NekoGloop Exio magic
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19:14 VanessaE NekoGloop: server updated.
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19:18 MarkTwain hi
19:18 Calinou hi
19:18 MarkTwain I need some help
19:18 MarkTwain I have 2 servers
19:18 MarkTwain void.bugs3.com and marktwain.bugs3.com
19:18 MarkTwain all content is on marktwain atm
19:19 MarkTwain Forum, Social Network, Business, Chat, Media Manager, Wiki
19:19 MarkTwain I need to move some of it to the other server
19:23 john_minetest MarkTwain: Use FTP and copy-paste.
19:23 * PilzAdam won a fight with a DM
19:24 MarkTwain I know how to! just want to know what people want so i can move it to the faster one
19:24 Calinou PilzAdam, not hard
19:24 NekoGloop dungeon setting for mapgen v6?
19:24 NekoGloop whatsthat
19:25 Calinou mg_flags = caves,trees,dungeons,jungles,v6_biome_blend
19:26 NekoGloop yes I know
19:26 NekoGloop what's it do
19:26 Calinou it adds dungeons?
19:26 MarkTwain atm i plan to move the social network to the faster one
19:26 Calinou (in newly made worlds)
19:26 NekoGloop Calinou, anything special in these dungeons?
19:27 Calinou mossy cobble
19:27 Exio and cobble
19:27 NekoGloop I see...
19:27 Exio the precious cobble that nobody haz
19:27 NekoGloop no uber-death-machines?
19:27 Calinou no
19:27 NekoGloop nice
19:28 * NekoGloop is going to assume that they're pretty much similar to MC dungeons, without loot chests and monsters
19:28 Calinou not really
19:28 Calinou MC dungeons are 5×5, 7×7 or 5×7 with a spawner and 1-2 chests (rarely, 0)
19:29 Calinou MT dungeons have a lot of rooms
19:29 Calinou some small, some big
19:29 Calinou and there are staircases too
19:29 NekoGloop THERE WE GO.
19:29 NekoGloop Knew there was some way to get a decent description of them.
19:30 * Jordach revokes PilzAdam's interact
19:30 * NekoGloop revokes PilzAdam's all
19:31 PilzAdam this server lags
19:33 Jordach PilzAdam, the VPS is in US
19:33 NekoGloop that would be why
19:39 Exio is MT lagspiking after leaving it 15 minutes running with vanilla a known bug?
19:41 Calinou Exio, "works for me" --ecks and you about suspend
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19:43 NekoGloop How does one check for a priv of a player again?
19:43 VanessaE /privs playername
19:43 VanessaE :P
19:43 NekoGloop from lua
19:43 VanessaE </troll>
19:43 NekoGloop well that was a valid answer to the asked question
19:44 NekoGloop just because the asked question wasn't accurate to what I wanted, though, doesn't really mean much.
19:45 PilzAdam VanessaE trolling? \o/
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19:48 NekoGloop Ok, what's a priv usually given to server moderators?
19:49 NekoGloop ban would probably be a good one
19:52 john_minetest Anyone knows how to make a map with layers similar to openstreetmaps with a png as background?
19:53 BlockMen Hey, a short announcement: The official wiki has moved. It is now at http://wiki.minetest.net . Thanks alot to thexyz who is hosting it now.
19:53 BlockMen http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97474
19:55 ShadowNinja Remove the cat/dog CAPTCHA! It doesn't work.
19:56 thexyz thanks, http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S8TRIo4br3I/AAAAAAAACv4/Zh7_GcMlRKo/s400/ALOT.png
19:56 * john_minetest puts a cat/dog on ShadowNinja's head
19:56 thexyz ShadowNinja: did you even try?
19:57 Calinou put a pony captcha instead, so that john_minetest can complete it
19:57 Calinou "Which pony is this?" [insert pony image here]
19:57 Calinou :-)
19:57 ShadowNinja Hmmm, it works now. But it is still annoying. A normal one or word one would be better.
19:58 PilzAdam do I have to create a new account?
19:58 BlockMen ShadowNinja, in oposite to old one it works :P
19:58 thexyz ShadowNinja: of course it works
19:58 Exio Calinou: in singleplayer that doesn't happen for me
19:58 BlockMen PA, yes
19:58 thexyz ShadowNinja: you only need to enter it once
19:58 thexyz when registering
19:58 thexyz is that such a big deal?
19:59 ShadowNinja thexyz: It doesn't(or didn't) work on dev.minetest.net.
19:59 thexyz it does work on dev.minetest.net
20:00 PilzAdam Jordach, fuck this, the server is too laggy
20:00 Jordach PilzAdam, RTT = 0.100
20:00 PilzAdam Jordach, got ninja'd by stone monster that appeared _after_ it killed me
20:00 Jordach i teleported you to 0,0,0
20:00 thexyz Calinou: http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=How_to_start_contributing&amp;curid=422&amp;diff=1373&amp;oldid=1372&amp;rcid=1483 why?
20:01 ShadowNinja thexyz: Favicon?
20:01 Calinou because that guy 1) believes ideas actually add to the game 2) added an useless introduction
20:01 Calinou they don't, ideas are as cheap as air
20:01 Calinou (if not cheaper)
20:02 PilzAdam BlockMen, the link at the main page still points at minetest.com
20:03 BlockMen PilzAdam, i know. i wanted notify c55 to change (i cant change main nav)
20:04 PilzAdam BlockMen, also, what does "official" mean?
20:05 BlockMen PilzAdam, http://www.dict.cc/?s=official :P
20:05 PilzAdam Jordach, btw, I found 3 diamonds, you can get them from my bones in 10 minutes
20:06 BlockMen it was called before official, so when hosting by a core dev i think official is ok.
20:06 thexyz Calinou: I'm not sure this is right..
20:06 BlockMen furthermore it is now under minetest.net which IS the official website of minetest
20:07 PilzAdam BlockMen, the official website points at the wiki at minetest.com
20:07 BlockMen PilzAdam, will be changed...
20:07 BlockMen i have asked c55 already
20:08 thexyz Calinou: it depends on what an "idea" is to you
20:08 BlockMen maybe i should change the template that way, that the members can also change navigation
20:09 Calinou thexyz, most people, by idea, understand "hey, add curvable materials|colored lights|fish and fish blocks to game"
20:09 thexyz for example, the description of logic behind redstone/mesecons can be called "an idea" too, right?
20:10 Calinou this is what I understand by "idea"
20:12 PilzAdam Calinou, I like how that introduction says "play the game before annoying others"
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20:14 Calinou PilzAdam, you can talk, you seem to be annoyed by random people posting ideas :P
20:15 thexyz Calinou: well, I doubt those people you describe will use dev wiki
20:16 sfan5 Win32 build of MirceaKitsune's fog color additions/changes: http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.6-37ca885-betterfog-win32.7z
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20:17 NekoGloop you're still versioning as 0.4.6? :O
20:17 sfan5 ummm
20:17 sfan5 w8
20:18 NekoGloop windows 8? why? ;)
20:19 john_minetest thexyz: Does onomatopoeia support "tags" shown on the map that show more information when clicked?
20:21 sfan5 NekoGloop: "meow" is a valid reason
20:21 NekoGloop meow
20:22 NekoGloop And what are you blaming me for now
20:22 Jordach btw, NekoGloop speaks meow and purr into a mic and IRC translates it
20:22 Calinou if he says "woof", his IRC client segfaults
20:22 NekoGloop Yes, I need to work out the bugs in the software
20:22 NekoGloop Somemeow it doesn't work
20:25 sfan5 NekoGloop: I blame you for making me notice that I dl'd the wrong branch
20:25 NekoGloop heh
20:27 john_minetest thexyz: nvm
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20:29 MinetestBot GIT: proller@github.com commited to minetest/minetest: Disable collision fix, its broke unit tests 131eb56f52 2013-06-30T13:26:54-07:00 http://git.io/unnGFg
20:29 Calinou night
20:29 thexyz onomatopoeia is broken, btw
20:29 john_minetest hmmm
20:30 john_minetest Wow, that leaf js thing is easy to use.
20:30 sfan5 Taoki: http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.7-37ca885-betterfog-win32.7z
20:30 sfan5 !g leaf.js
20:30 MinetestBot sfan5: http://leafletjs.com/examples/custom-icons.html
20:30 Taoki Thanks
20:30 john_minetest VanessaE: You could make a server map with onomatopoeia. I would add the labels.
20:32 VanessaE that's that 3d mapper, right?
20:33 VanessaE (the one thexyz did?)
20:33 john_minetest That's the isometric one.
20:33 VanessaE yes, that one
20:33 john_minetest (At least it was isometric when I tried it the last time.)
20:33 VanessaE if someone could show me how to use it, I might
20:34 VanessaE but when I last looked, it didn't support nodeboxes.
20:36 john_minetest Yeah, I just found an older map. This one is from zegaton I (zegaton II is WIP atm). http://minetest.web1337.net/map.php
20:36 VanessaE yeah, I recognize this map
20:39 john_minetest I think nodeboxes are still not possible but I don't think that it would make much difference.
20:40 Forty-3 I am unable to run minetest even after a recompile: http://ur1.ca/ehmlo
20:40 VanessaE maybe I'll try it some time, but there are no instructions
20:41 john_minetest Forty-3: Seems you have the wrong irrlicht version
20:42 Forty-3 I reran cmake
20:42 PilzAdam Forty-3, how do you compile?
20:42 Forty-3 cmake .;make;su -c 'make install'
20:43 VanessaE john_minetest: now I see why I didn't try it...all of the recognized nodes and textures are hard-coded.
20:43 VanessaE bummer.
20:43 john_minetest :/
20:43 PilzAdam Forty-3, try rm CMakeCache.txt and then rerun the other commands
20:43 Forty-3 k
20:43 john_minetest Then I'll have to try to tile the official server map
20:43 thexyz which reminds me I probably should redo onomatopoeia
20:44 BlockMen bye everyone
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20:44 Forty-3 john_minetest: same thing
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20:47 Forty-3 err
20:47 Forty-3 PilzAdam: same thing
20:47 PilzAdam can you paste all the terminal output since cmake . ?
20:47 VanessaE pastebin*
20:49 Forty-3 sure
20:49 Forty-3 http://ur1.ca/ehmqp
20:51 PilzAdam thats strange
20:51 VanessaE does RUN_IN_PLACE default to 0 or 1?
20:52 PilzAdam whats the output of "whereis irrlicht"?
20:52 NekoGloop 1 iirc
20:52 PilzAdam VanessaE, 0
20:52 VanessaE ok, thought so
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20:52 NekoGloop ok fine
20:53 sfan5 good night
20:53 Forty-3 irrlicht: /usr/include/irrlicht
20:54 Forty-3 PilzAdam: ^
20:56 PilzAdam please post the output of cmake . -LH
20:56 Forty-3 ki
20:56 Forty-3 *k
20:57 Forty-3 http://ur1.ca/ehmuy
20:58 PilzAdam I cant find anything non-normal there
20:59 PilzAdam try cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 and dont run make install
20:59 PilzAdam then run the executeable from bin/
20:59 Forty-3 k
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21:00 Forty-3 gah
21:01 Forty-3 stupid pasting
21:01 Forty-3 PilzAdam: same thing
21:01 * john_minetest is rendering the tiles
21:07 STHGOM who made the animations for 3D sam?
21:07 VanessaE Taoki did.
21:07 VanessaE Stu also made a model with nice elbow/knee joints
21:08 STHGOM minecraft's model is like that
21:08 STHGOM but who says it need to be like minecraft???
21:09 Jordach STHGOM, the MC model doesnt have elbows/knees
21:09 STHGOM opps
21:09 STHGOM oops
21:09 STHGOM sry
21:10 Forty-3 PilzAdam: poke
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21:10 PilzAdam Forty-3, sorry, I have no idea
21:10 Forty-3 damn
21:10 PilzAdam ask the support of your distro
21:11 STHGOM my friend says sam looks like hes drunk :D
21:11 VanessaE haha
21:11 PilzAdam STHGOM, hes not called sam
21:11 VanessaE PilzAdam: he's called SAM (in all caps)
21:11 PilzAdam nope.avi
21:11 STHGOM somewhere i heard him called sa
21:11 VanessaE PilzAdam: you don't make the rules here, the rest of us do :P
21:12 VanessaE Jordach and I named the model SAM (=SAM Ain't Minecraft)
21:12 Jordach Sam for short :P
21:12 PilzAdam neither of you are core devs
21:12 VanessaE so?
21:12 Jordach PilzAdam, the community name things you see in-game
21:13 Jordach not to mention the mc player was never supposed to be called steve
21:13 STHGOM SAM: Silly Awsome Man
21:13 STHGOM D
21:13 STHGOM :D
21:13 Forty-3 SAM: SAM is an Awesome Man
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21:14 VanessaE STHGOM: it has to be recursive.  SAM Ain't Minecraft.
21:14 VanessaE :)
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21:15 RealBadangel PilzAdam, stop being against every proposal
21:15 RealBadangel this is getting boring
21:15 VanessaE and frustrating.
21:16 RealBadangel i can understand you can have different ideas, but every single time? you are blockin everythin
21:16 RealBadangel this is made by community and for the community
21:17 PilzAdam its not made by the community
21:17 RealBadangel and please take care what other think
21:17 STHGOM yes it is
21:17 STHGOM how many mods are there
21:17 STHGOM mostly
21:17 RealBadangel of fucking course it is
21:17 RealBadangel we are the community
21:17 RealBadangel you too
21:17 john_minetest D: ... This stupid tiling program... It is just doing crap.
21:17 PilzAdam RealBadangel, also: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/c3c5f8a228f5e60506c5df74deeaf8b9fc26c11c <- this proofs you are wrong
21:18 VanessaE PilzAdam: actually that's proof that he's right, as you mito and I all worked on getting those sounds to some usable level before committing.
21:18 PilzAdam yes, but I supported the idea of new sounds
21:19 RealBadangel so hmmmm too
21:19 RealBadangel and im goin to reverse in my game
21:19 PilzAdam so "against every proposal" and "blockin everythin" is wrong
21:19 VanessaE PilzAdam: yes, but you initially rejected the idea that some of those new sounds just weren't any good.
21:19 RealBadangel but im not screamin that every proposal is shit
21:19 VanessaE (no offense to mito)
21:20 PilzAdam VanessaE, this shows that there is a reason when I say "no"
21:20 RealBadangel 1 for 1000 of other
21:20 RealBadangel *s
21:20 PilzAdam RealBadangel, also, "blocking everything" <- I have more features committed than you
21:20 VanessaE PilzAdam: 90% of what you say "no" to is because you personally don't like the idea, whatever it may be, with no allowance whatsoever that maybe, just MAYBE you're the *only* one who doesn't like it.
21:20 * NekoGloop votes for Pilz to be booted from the team because of bias with ideas
21:21 NekoGloop basically "this is my game now your ideas are shit"
21:21 RealBadangel PilzAdam, maybe because im not commiting because i know you will block it?
21:21 VanessaE PilzAdam: non sequitur - you've also been the only one who had any real commit access to minetest_game for a long while
21:21 VanessaE (until recently)
21:21 NekoGloop "if they happen to coincide with what I want, then good for you"
21:21 RealBadangel how many commits to your projects have you posted today?
21:22 PilzAdam VanessaE, are you kidding? if someone asks me if I like a feature then of course I will follow my presonal preference
21:22 PilzAdam everything else would be insane
21:22 NekoGloop PilzAdam, Yes but whether you like it or not shouldn't matter for whether it's a good idea to have it in minetest.
21:22 PilzAdam RealBadangel, 1 or 2
21:22 RealBadangel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic_game/commits/master
21:22 RealBadangel face this :P
21:23 Uberi well, you know, there is always those Minetest forks
21:23 VanessaE PilzAdam: yeah but everyone has to go through you anyone to GET anything into the game to begin with
21:23 PilzAdam are we talking about the engine or minetest_game
21:23 VanessaE the game, mostly.
21:23 PilzAdam +?
21:23 PilzAdam well, currently nobody can get a new feature into minetest_game
21:23 * NekoGloop has posted like 7 or 8 commits to glooptest mainly because I don't feel like combining commits into one.
21:24 VanessaE PilzAdam: exactly.
21:24 PilzAdam I refuse to add any new feature because of people compaling about everything
21:24 VanessaE thank you for illustrating my point.
21:24 VanessaE YOU REFUSE!?
21:24 VanessaE it is minetest_game, not pilzadam_game
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21:24 Uberi what is the proposed solution here?
21:24 PilzAdam of course this includes the features Id like to see in minetest_game
21:25 john_minetest Does anyone have a script to tile a large image so it is usable for use in onomatopoeia? thexyz?
21:25 VanessaE Uberi: there is no solution afaik.
21:25 Uberi well, you can't give everyone push privs
21:25 NekoGloop Uberi, the only solution is to rename the repo to pilzadam_game and start over
21:25 Uberi or fork, obviously
21:26 NekoGloop Also, while everyone's here, does on_construct call when mapgen places a node?
21:26 PilzAdam the problem with minetest_game is that its too central; everyone wants to pull it in his direction
21:27 NekoGloop PilzAdam, the problem with minetest_game is that you THINK everyone wants to pull it from you
21:27 Uberi and if that happens, nobody will like it
21:27 PilzAdam ^
21:27 VanessaE that's what configuration options are for
21:27 PilzAdam NekoGloop, that was discuseed a while ago and everyone agrees that there is no suitable solution here
21:28 VanessaE if some new feature is controversial, disable it by default.  it's that simple.
21:28 * john_minetest is listening to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcBK2blOJtk all day long
21:29 NekoGloop https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/commits/master a total of ten commits from today and yesterday.
21:34 RealBadangel NekoGloop, i dont think its is called then
21:35 NekoGloop hrm, then is it possible to call it externally? I'd assume so.
21:36 RealBadangel at least swaping nodes doesnt trigger it
21:37 NekoGloop ah, minetest.place_node causes all events of a player placing it
21:37 NekoGloop probably safe to assume this includes on_construct
21:37 RealBadangel try adding to any ore on_construct and print(dump("anything")) and check it out
21:38 PilzAdam NekoGloop, on_construct() is even called when "only" using set_node()
21:38 NekoGloop ah alright
21:38 NekoGloop makes these a little easier
21:39 PilzAdam the only cases where on_construct() is called are: mapgen, place_schematic() and the Lua voxelmanip
21:39 PilzAdam *not called
21:39 NekoGloop i see
21:41 svuorela hmm... can I farm sheep using the simple mobs mod ?
21:41 PilzAdam yes
21:42 PilzAdam feed them with wheat
21:44 svuorela but how do I fetch or keep them ?
21:44 svuorela or do they follow me once I've fed them ?
21:44 PilzAdam they will follow you if you hold wheat in your hand
21:44 svuorela and that way I can walk them into a fenced-off area ?
21:44 PilzAdam yea
21:45 Uberi do they breed with wheat?
21:45 PilzAdam nope
21:46 VanessaE no, you just need to leave them alone for a while - the server will breed them for you :P
21:47 PilzAdam john_minetest, "its guy love, between two guys"
21:48 john_minetest PilzAdam: That's one of the best songs in this episode. The other good one is the one where they sing "what is goin' to happen".
21:49 PilzAdam "everything comes down to poo"
21:51 john_minetest The whole episode is epic
21:52 john_minetest I keep it running in background, listening to the music.
21:56 PilzAdam john_minetest, I think this is the best scene in scrubs: http://youtu.be/w5InEV8mvps
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21:57 john_minetest :D
21:57 john_minetest Lol, didn't see this yet.
21:58 PilzAdam MANGO BODY BUTTER!?!?!
21:58 john_minetest nom nom nom
21:59 PilzAdam later in the epised Elliot asks him if he ate her mango body butter :D
21:59 PilzAdam *episode
21:59 john_minetest Tomorrow I have to go to school and help my brother with a presentation. A team member didn't come so I have to do his part -_-
21:59 john_minetest well, gtg. bye
22:20 NekoGloop Hrm, haven't used lua in a while... remind me of the proper way to iterate through a list?
22:21 Exio ipairs?
22:21 VanessaE for i in ipairs(mytable) do  myvar=table[i]  print(var)  end
22:22 VanessaE er print(myvar)...etc
22:22 NekoGloop hm
22:22 VanessaE that's how I do it anyway
22:22 PilzAdam VanessaE, you forgot ,var
22:22 VanessaE PilzAdam: not necessary.
22:22 NekoGloop I just want to repeat something 24 times, remembering how many times I've done it.
22:22 NekoGloop This is the appropriate approach to that?
22:22 VanessaE NekoGloop: for i = 1,24 do  xxxxx end
22:23 NekoGloop and it will go from 1 to 24?
22:23 VanessaE mmhmm
22:23 NekoGloop Alright.
22:23 PilzAdam VanessaE, I guess its more performant if you do for i,v than for ... do v =table[i]
22:23 VanessaE but iterating through a list the first way is better.
22:23 VanessaE PilzAdam: old habit from other languages/
22:23 VanessaE .
22:24 NekoGloop All I wanna do is populate an inventory ;)
22:26 VanessaE use the former loop then
22:26 NekoGloop why?
22:26 VanessaE since you surely need a table to decide WHAT gets put into the inventory
22:26 NekoGloop Indeed.
22:26 NekoGloop But it's randomly picked from said table.
22:26 VanessaE then use the latter loop.
22:30 NekoGloop Now, how to tell the amount of entries in my loot table...
22:31 VanessaE len=#loottable  or something like that?
22:31 NekoGloop eh?
22:32 VanessaE the # sign in front of a table name gives the length of the table I think.
22:33 NekoGloop Ok. What's the random function again? :P
22:33 VanessaE math.random()
22:33 VanessaE math.random(lowest, highest)
22:33 NekoGloop inclusive?
22:34 VanessaE yeah
22:34 VanessaE pretty sure anyway
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22:35 NekoGloop alright
22:36 Uberi yes, it's inclusive
22:37 NekoGloop alright
22:38 NekoGloop to be sure: break will only stop one loop, right?
22:38 Uberi the innermost one, yes
22:38 NekoGloop gotcha
22:39 Uberi to break out of multiple ones, you can use goto
22:39 VanessaE goto!
22:39 VanessaE :)
22:39 NekoGloop goto hell
22:39 NekoGloop ;)
22:39 STHGOM bye
22:39 STHGOM i go  :D
22:39 * Uberi picked up some bad habits from ASM
22:40 VanessaE Uberi: CLC: BCC xxx ftw :)
22:40 NekoGloop "xxx ftw"
22:40 * NekoGloop leaves
22:40 Uberi btfsc STATUS, 0
22:40 VanessaE :P
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22:47 NekoGloop I have had this same song on repeat since 9 AM this morning
22:47 NekoGloop wut
22:48 VanessaE NekoGloop: replace it with this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81LQnWPVqSI
22:49 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BajXx_MkhYA nah
22:49 PilzAdam VanessaE, you are old
22:49 VanessaE 39.
22:50 NekoGloop divide by 3 = me
22:51 * NekoGloop wonders when preserve={""} is going to be implemented in minetest.register_craft()
22:51 VanessaE preserve?
22:51 * NekoGloop points at lua_api.txt
22:52 Uberi like bucket of water -> empty bucket, VanessaE
22:52 VanessaE use replacements.
22:52 Uberi yeah replacements are designed for this
22:52 VanessaE not as good but close enough for most uses.
22:52 PilzAdam nope
22:52 NekoGloop nonono
22:52 VanessaE replacements = { { "buckets:bucket_water", "buckets:bucket_empty" } }
22:52 PilzAdam replacements dont work with items that are stacked
22:52 NekoGloop for example, the group usage. and stacks.
22:53 VanessaE eh, well then there's no way to do it
22:53 Uberi well items that need replacements generally have a stack_max of 1 anyways
22:53 NekoGloop preserve will simply keep the itemstack there
22:54 NekoGloop table.pack? :O
22:56 Uberi NekoGloop: I assume it turns an explist into a table
22:56 Uberi but the table constructor can already do that
22:56 Uberi see: {...}, for packing *args
22:57 NekoGloop hrm, table.pack(table.unpack({...})) would add the "n" field with the max number, correct? :P
22:57 Uberi I dunno if that would work, since explists can't have the named field "n"
22:58 Uberi oh wait a minute
22:58 Uberi yeah I think that'd work
22:58 NekoGloop hehe
22:58 Uberi but just use table.pack(...)
22:58 Uberi it's shorter and faste
22:58 Uberi r
23:00 NekoGloop huh, NP++ doesn't highlight table.pack
23:00 Uberi i think it's new to lua 5.2
23:00 NekoGloop which means it may or may not work in minetest
23:00 PilzAdam Minetest uses 5.1
23:00 NekoGloop fuck
23:00 Uberi PilzAdam: but we can use goto and labels in mods
23:01 * NekoGloop flips a table
23:01 PilzAdam Uberi, is that 5.2 too?
23:01 Uberi yeah, I believe so
23:01 PilzAdam maybe your LuaJIT uses 5.2, but lua-api.txt clearly says we use 5.1
23:02 Uberi ah that could explain it
23:02 PilzAdam and the packed Lua is 5.1 too
23:02 NekoGloop hehe
23:02 NekoGloop so it would work for people who compile with LuaJIT but nobody else
23:02 Uberi so avoid lua 5.2 features, since those without luajit builds will not be able to use them
23:02 NekoGloop which would be fine imo because fuck non-luajit is slow
23:03 PilzAdam the problem with LuaJIT is that its not packed with minetest, so it might be 5.1 too
23:04 NekoGloop So #insert.table.name_here is proper for obtaining the number of entries?
23:04 Uberi yep
23:04 Uberi well, not for sparse tables
23:04 PilzAdam this version confusing stuff is the reaason why we bundle Lua in the source
23:05 Uberi # actually gets the length of the sequence before a nil index
23:05 Uberi but which sequence that actually is is implementation defined
23:06 NekoGloop well a loot table like so: http://pastebin.com/5gmhUHns should be fine?
23:06 Uberi yeah, that's a normal array
23:07 NekoGloop yay
23:08 PilzAdam ok, my LuaJIT uses Lua 5.1
23:08 Uberi huh
23:08 NekoGloop heh
23:08 PilzAdam and I use the one in the standard ubuntu repos
23:08 NekoGloop well i have whatever he has so
23:09 PilzAdam ehm, I dont know wich version I use for my win builds ;-)
23:09 PilzAdam NekoGloop, try print(_VERSION)
23:09 NekoGloop I don't care
23:09 Uberi assume 5.1
23:09 NekoGloop if i'm supposed to make 5.1 usable code i'll do it
23:09 Exio the api changed in 5.2
23:09 Uberi NekoGloop: what are you trying to do?
23:10 PilzAdam if you have 5.2 then you wont notice if its not 5.1 compatible
23:10 NekoGloop Uberi, randomly spawning treasure chests throughout the world.
23:10 PilzAdam Exio, what API?
23:10 VanessaE whichbegs the question, at what point willMT move to 5.2?
23:10 Exio lua<->C api
23:10 PilzAdam VanessaE, never
23:10 PilzAdam it will break mods
23:10 Exio afaik it changed in some stuff, so it won't compile if you use lua5.2 without changing the code
23:11 NekoGloop Later: Lua 7.0 released, MT still uses 5.1
23:11 NekoGloop ;-)
23:11 Exio if lua releases a 6x version
23:11 PilzAdam NekoGloop, whats the problem with that
23:11 PilzAdam +?
23:11 Exio it will, probably, not be compatible in any way to the API
23:11 NekoGloop Nothing really.
23:12 Uberi I thought 5.2 was backwards compatible?
23:12 Exio who will rewrite half of the lua_api files?
23:12 Exio Uberi: i guess it is, but not in the lua<->C api? :P
23:12 NekoGloop Exio, You! :D
23:12 Uberi ouch
23:12 PilzAdam Uberi, lets put an assert(_VERSION == "Lua 5.1") in builtin and lets see who uses 5.2 :-p
23:12 Exio or even better
23:12 Uberi heheheh
23:13 NekoGloop hehe
23:13 Uberi compat.lua: _VERSION = "Lua 5.1"
23:13 PilzAdam NekoGloop, can you please test your version? I want to know it too
23:13 Exio cheater!
23:13 NekoGloop PilzAdam, pfft fine
23:13 Uberi h4x0rz
23:14 PilzAdam > _VERSION = "Lua 10"
23:14 PilzAdam > print(_VERSION)
23:14 PilzAdam Lua 10
23:14 PilzAdam >
23:14 PilzAdam \o/
23:14 PilzAdam was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
23:14 VanessaE WIN!
23:14 PilzAdam joined #minetest
23:14 Uberi :O
23:14 * NekoGloop makes glooptest write _VERSION to the console ten times on load
23:14 Uberi you gotta set up some send delays in your IRC client PilzAdam
23:15 PilzAdam or just kick ShadowBot
23:15 NekoGloop PilzAdam, 5.1
23:15 PilzAdam NekoGloop, good
23:15 PilzAdam so my win builds are compatible with the minetest API
23:15 NekoGloop THEY'RE TAKIN THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!
23:15 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BajXx_MkhYA
23:15 PilzAdam I heard the song yesterday for 1 hour
23:16 NekoGloop I know
23:16 NekoGloop I joined when you were taking a break at 10 mins
23:16 PilzAdam everyone who hears it longer has no life, everyone who hasnt heard it that long is a n00b!
23:16 * NekoGloop has no life anyway
23:17 Exio what is it
23:17 * VanessaE has no life, has never heard it, and is not a n00b.  Figure that one out :P
23:17 NekoGloop Exio, a virus
23:17 PilzAdam VanessaE, LIAR!
23:18 Exio i'm searching thing called life, from where can i download it?
23:18 NekoGloop VanessaE, and then the world segfaults
23:18 VanessaE heh
23:18 PilzAdam Exio, $ whereis life
23:18 PilzAdam no results :-/
23:18 Exio $ whereis life
23:18 Exio life:
23:18 Exio :(
23:18 NekoGloop PilzAdam, "The Game Of Life!"
23:18 PilzAdam does it run on the Minetest engine?
23:18 Exio it is faster than that PilzAdam
23:19 PilzAdam no way
23:19 NekoGloop No it's a literal computer implementation of the board game "Life"
23:19 Uberi life: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=79941#p79941
23:19 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=79941#p79941
23:19 VanessaE DAMN
23:19 VanessaE ninja'd
23:19 Uberi hahaha :P
23:19 Exio i want better ram :(
23:19 NekoGloop I want a ram too
23:19 Uberi there's a luacontroller bug that prevents a lot of my machines from working
23:20 PilzAdam I want ROM, so I dont have to remember you :-p
23:20 NekoGloop Uberi, ew luacontrollers
23:20 Uberi but for the life of me I can't find it
23:20 VanessaE NekoGloop: what's wrong with luacontrollers?
23:20 Uberi NekoGloop: go ahead, build a 3D printer without luacontrollers!
23:20 NekoGloop ew using lua more than I have to
23:20 PilzAdam VanessaE, they are hacky
23:20 VanessaE PilzAdam: to you EVERYTHING is hacky
23:20 Uberi hacky?
23:21 PilzAdam its too easy to build a computer
23:21 NekoGloop PilzAdam, lua is hacky
23:21 VanessaE Minetest is hacky.
23:21 VanessaE it's too easy to build a skyscraper.
23:21 VanessaE QED.
23:21 Uberi the universe is hacky, it uses numerical integration
23:22 Exio Uberi: is WE using the luavoxelmanip now?
23:22 Uberi Exio: nope, I spent the last few days playing video games and unpacking boxes
23:22 Exio aw
23:22 PilzAdam Uberi, even the nether mod uses it now!
23:22 Uberi actually I'm still doing that so it has to wait
23:22 Uberi what? really?
23:23 NekoGloop Uberi, will a "break" in a if statement in a for loop break the if statement or the for loop?
23:23 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/nether/blob/voxelmanip/init.lua#L372
23:23 Uberi NekoGloop: the loop, break only applies to loops
23:23 NekoGloop got it
23:25 NekoGloop I'll make it so that once it succeeds in putting an item in a slot, it moves on instead of retrying (which it does a max of 3 times for each slot
23:25 PilzAdam Uberi, the vmanip is really fast
23:25 PilzAdam the nether generation is like a billion times faster now
23:25 Uberi awesome :)
23:25 * NekoGloop should check out the nether
23:25 arsdragonfly Nekogloop : make the if statement an anonymous function and use return
23:25 PilzAdam (compared to the register_ore() hack used previously)
23:25 arsdragonfly To break
23:25 NekoGloop arsdragonfly, ?
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23:26 Uberi hopefully we'll eventually have a way to set param2 and such, and maybe even meta
23:26 NekoGloop an... anonymous function?
23:26 PilzAdam Uberi, not really
23:26 Uberi NekoGloop: function() ... end
23:26 Uberi hmm?
23:26 PilzAdam Uberi, best way is to remember that nodes and set things after the vmanip is done
23:26 * NekoGloop has no idea what ars wants him to do
23:26 Uberi that sort of defeats the speed gains, no?
23:27 arsdragonfly Like (function () if blah blah blah ... end )()
23:27 PilzAdam the Lua VoxelManip is a directly interface to core, no fancy API features
23:27 Uberi anyways I was using place_schematic to do this, it's reasonably fast but could be faster
23:27 arsdragonfly (function () if blah blah blah return ... end )()
23:27 PilzAdam place_schematic() doesnt set meta either
23:27 Uberi PilzAdam: you mean the mapgen can't generate oriented nodes?
23:27 Uberi PilzAdam: yeah, but we can avoid the set_node call entirely
23:28 Uberi which is a nice speed boost
23:28 StarBlessed Hey guys.  Love the mapgen PilzAdam
23:28 Uberi whereas with vmanip we need to go over it with set_node again to set param2
23:28 NekoGloop arsdragonfly, I want for xxx do if xxxx then break else xxx end end to break the for loop
23:29 NekoGloop <insert fancy coding skillz here>
23:29 arsdragonfly It does IIRC
23:29 NekoGloop Then I'm good.
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23:32 NekoGloop Tell me where is Gandalf, for I much desire to speak with him~
23:33 NekoGloop </songquoting>
23:33 PilzAdam A balrok of morkoth
23:33 PilzAdam what did you say?
23:33 PilzAdam A balrok of morkoth
23:33 NekoGloop balrog* morgoth*
23:33 PilzAdam why does Tolkien hates "k"?
23:34 NekoGloop For the same reason you cannot grammar.
23:34 NekoGloop hate*
23:35 PilzAdam hes not a native speaker?
23:36 NekoGloop Actually I am pretty sure he wasn't. Though he knew English well, I'm fairly certain it wasn't his first language. Or I could be completely wrong.
23:37 PilzAdam "The Tolkien family had its roots in Lower Saxony but had been living in England since the 18th century, becoming "quickly intensely English"."
23:37 PilzAdam "John Ronald Reuel Tolkien, CBE (/ˈtɒlkiːn/;[a] 3 January 1892 – 2 September 1973)"
23:38 PilzAdam he was born in England
23:38 PilzAdam pretty sure hes a native speaker then
23:38 NekoGloop So I'm completely wrong..
23:38 PilzAdam Wikipedia: 1; NekoGloop: 0
23:38 NekoGloop I don't study literature either so I'm not surprised.
23:38 VanessaE brb
23:38 NekoGloop Oh, and, PilzAdam, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGfTLb6RFk0
23:39 PilzAdam round 2: where were "The Brennus and Charles Martel" first mentioned?
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23:39 NekoGloop The question of a lifetime: "Why is the rum gone?"
23:39 NekoGloop Or at least, of 10 hours.
23:40 PilzAdam I already whatched that in a playlist with 50 10 hour videos
23:40 PilzAdam you know you are good if youtube only recommends you 10 hour videos ;-)
23:41 * NekoGloop would prefer that over some of the shit youtube thinks I wanna watch.
23:41 PilzAdam she pronounces "RUM" like "RAM" in german
23:42 NekoGloop Youtube: "You totally wanna watch "Jeff the Killer" right? Or "BEN.wmv"?"
23:42 PilzAdam "Why is the RAM gone?"
23:42 NekoGloop PilzAdam, because minetest
23:42 VanessaE joined #minetest
23:42 PilzAdam only if VBO is enabled ;-)
23:43 VanessaE or HDX :P
23:44 NekoGloop "VanessaE: "Oh I missed something, let's look at the logs"
23:44 VanessaE yup.
23:45 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI_fgwbmJg0 I have no idea what this is
23:45 PilzAdam VanessaE, you will never know the messages starting with a [off]
23:45 VanessaE oh well
23:46 PilzAdam NekoGloop, thats rule 34
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23:46 NekoGloop PilzAdam, You meow.
23:46 PilzAdam I mean, who would notice if there is pron in the middle?
23:46 NekoGloop Or a screamer
23:46 NekoGloop ;)
23:46 Kacey iiiiim back with good internet
23:46 NekoGloop jes sayin~
23:48 PilzAdam <NekoGloop> [off] Screw the logs I'm a kitty cat
23:48 PilzAdam >:-)
23:48 NekoGloop I never said that.
23:48 StarBlessed PilzAdam: So the Global media server is running.  I think I got the most popular mods.
23:48 PilzAdam StarBlessed, awesome! saw it
23:48 * NekoGloop probably will not see glooptest/gloopblocks on that list
23:48 StarBlessed It should be all automated.  Ill find out tonight when the cron job runs.
23:49 PilzAdam NekoGloop, what youtube recommends me: http://youtu.be/5NGguk8VXYc
23:49 StarBlessed It'll grab the latest content from the git sources, then sort and dump all the media files in the Global directory
23:49 StarBlessed Updating all the files.
23:50 PilzAdam StarBlessed, it requires mods to be on github?
23:50 arsdragonfly joined #minetest
23:50 StarBlessed If you want them updated automatically, yes.
23:50 StarBlessed I can add them manually, but its easier to pull updates from git
23:51 StarBlessed If someone doesnt have a git, I can host one for them.
23:51 NekoGloop Oh it does.
23:52 PilzAdam StarBlessed, seesm good
23:52 PilzAdam *seems
23:52 StarBlessed Im just hoping that it helps :D
23:52 PilzAdam any known servers who use your server yet?
23:55 NekoGloop AdownupAdownup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNwjUWKP18c
23:59 StarBlessed Not yet, but Jordach has a VPS on my server.  He's going to run a Server with it, so we'll see what happens :D
23:59 PilzAdam I already played on that server today

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