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00:13 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Extend a delay in TestConnection from 50 to 100 milliseconds. eccd1fdbed 2013-06-16T17:09:50-07:00 http://git.io/"https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/eccd1fdbeddce60717f8fcbecded5b36387e3b38" was supposed to be shortened to "I8Mdlg", but "https://github.com/LunarLogicPolska/kanbanery/commit/f81d3e5383a6a32ed4914eadd3ab35366d7bc9bf" already is!
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00:14 ch98 has anyone here built minetest in any ppc machene?
00:14 kahrl what did I just do to MinetestBot
00:14 Exio you broke, you repair it
00:15 PilzAdam she was broken before
00:15 ch98 it is she?
00:16 PilzAdam rule #1: bots are female
00:16 ch98 what kind of rule is that?
00:16 diemartin rule #34: no exceptions
00:16 khonkhortisan oceans and ships (including spaceships) too
00:19 ch98 what is the 32 rule between 1 and 34?
00:19 PilzAdam rule #34 actually contains more than that
00:20 kaeza nsfw
00:21 ch98 well I know the rule # 34 but what is the rule in between 1 and 34
00:22 VanessaE rule #2, there are no rules from 3 to 33.
00:22 Exio rule #3-33 see rule #2?
00:22 Exio ;P
00:23 khonkhortisan I'm expecting someone to post a link to these rules
00:23 ch98 you should have a forum post for this.
00:23 Exio !google internet rules
00:23 ch98 (there is no link
00:23 Exio MinetestBot: ew
00:23 VanessaE rule #35:  rule #34 may not apply in the UK after 2014.
00:24 khonkhortisan !g MinetestBot
00:24 PilzAdam MinetestBot is broken
00:24 PilzAdam !kick PilzAdam
00:24 PilzAdam see?
00:24 Exio :(
00:24 PilzAdam only thing that works:
00:24 PilzAdam MinetestBot!
00:24 MinetestBot PilzAdam!
00:24 Exio TEST with 3.599999 seconds
00:25 Exio i hate floats
00:25 Menche should ShadowBot take over?
00:25 Exio ShadowBot: kill MinetestBot
00:25 PilzAdam ShadowBot, kick MinetestBot
00:25 MinetestBot was kicked by ShadowBot: PilzAdam
00:25 Exio wtf?
00:25 PilzAdam hello ShadowBot
00:26 ShadowBot Hello PilzAdam!
00:26 PilzAdam Exio, pm
00:26 Exio ok :P
00:26 Exio i wonder
00:27 Exio ffffffff
00:27 Exio shadowbot is now ignoring me :(
00:27 PilzAdam !unignore Exio
00:27 Exio !admin ignore list
00:27 Exio ^ supybot command
00:28 kaeza [21:23:01] <VanessaE> rule #35:  rule #34 may not apply in the UK after 2014.
00:28 kaeza wrong
00:28 khonkhortisan On github, can I compare two branches without starting the pull request process?
00:28 kaeza rule #35: if there isn't it will be made
00:28 PilzAdam Rule 35: If no porn is found at the moment, it will be made.
00:28 khonkhortisan - If I didn't recently push to it?
00:28 VanessaE ok rule 36 then
00:28 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, yes
00:28 VanessaE (for some reason I thought that was part of rule 34)
00:30 ch98 all the (most likly) original rules. http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/30662
00:30 Exio kaeza: why not?
00:30 Exio http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/isps-to-include-porn-filters-as-standard-in-uk-by-2014/
00:30 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, https://github.com/your_name/your_repo/compare/branch1...branch2
00:32 kaeza Exio, I was saying about rule numbering ;)
00:33 kaeza also, to UK govt: gl;hf
00:33 ch98 rule one of ch98 there is 50% chance that anything on internet is a lie so do not trust rules of internet or this rule.
00:33 PilzAdam ch98, what are your sexual preferences?
00:33 ch98 why?
00:33 PilzAdam no real reason
00:34 kaeza he wants to marry you
00:34 ch98 ......
00:34 PilzAdam just following rule 27
00:34 khonkhortisan rule from the internet: everything on the internet is true
00:35 ch98 rule one of ch98: don't trust internet
00:36 ch98 and my rule that is on internet
00:37 ch98 following my original rule 1, there is 25% chance rule of internet is not true
00:37 VanessaE more like 85%
00:37 ch98 but my rule is 50% by chance not true
00:38 kaeza "Just because you read it on the internet does not mean it's true" -- Abraham Lincoln
00:39 khonkhortisan "85% of all quotes are made up on the spot" - Github creator
00:40 arsdragonfly|pho s/Abraham Lincoln/kaeza
00:40 khonkhortisan s/Github creator/khonkhortisan/
00:42 PilzAdam s/*/PilzAdam/g
00:42 Exio s/.*/hi
00:42 Exio :D
00:43 khonkhortisan PilzAdamPilzAdamPilzAdam PilzAdamPilzAdam PilzAdam.
00:43 PilzAdam PilzAdam PilzAdam PilzAdam PilzAdam PilzAdam
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00:47 ch98 Rules of ch98 is officially on offtopic
00:52 PilzAdam ch98, how can a rule "apple" to something?
00:53 ch98 because it was still the lie part of 50%
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00:58 ch98 my USB is starting to smell like old car
00:59 ch98 and starting to turn a paper black
01:06 Exio haha
01:06 PilzAdam ch98, are you sure its your USB stick and not your printer?
01:07 Exio my lowend phone sucks at hashing
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01:13 Roukoswarf anyone know where changelogs can be found? i dont seem to find any around
01:13 Exio http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
01:13 Exio !title
01:13 ShadowBot Exio: title [--no-filter] <url>
01:13 Exio aww
01:13 Roukoswarf that works
01:14 Roukoswarf its not in the title, or i would have seen it :p
01:15 Exio 0.34khash/s with scrypt
01:16 VanessaE computing what?
01:16 Exio just running --benchmark with cpuminerd
01:16 Exio s/d$//
01:16 VanessaE oh
01:16 Exio https://github.com/pooler/cpuminer
01:16 * Roukoswarf continues waiting for survival aspects like cave-ins that increase risk the farther down you go
01:17 VanessaE Roukoswarf: you have a super computer handy?
01:17 Roukoswarf VanessaE: sure, why not?
01:17 VanessaE it's hard enough just making a small mass of sand fall reliably
01:17 Roukoswarf hm, totalminer on x360 seemed to do cave ins alright
01:18 Roukoswarf at least, acceptably
01:18 Roukoswarf no fancy physics
01:18 Roukoswarf just, screenshake and block fall damaging you
01:18 Roukoswarf in about a 30x30 block area around you, any open areas fall randomly
01:20 PilzAdam good night everyone
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01:20 Exio http://cadoth.net/~exio4/arm/minerd-noncurl
01:20 Exio with this binary i get 0.34khash/s in my lg p350g
01:21 ch98 so does anyone have time to test my concrete mod? I can't test it with ppc
01:21 Exio (some cheap arm/android phone, overclocked up to 800mhz, default is 600mhz)
01:21 Roukoswarf ch98: whats it do?
01:21 VanessaE ch98: use a virtual machine and run linux or so.
01:21 VanessaE Roukoswarf: it makes liquid concrete that can be poured into forms and hardens into walls
01:22 ch98 there is no efficent virtural machene for ppc
01:22 Roukoswarf VanessaE: a virtual machine translation to ppc would be a mess
01:22 VanessaE true.
01:22 Roukoswarf ch98: i could test it for you, havnt fired up the game in a while
01:22 VanessaE well there's only one other solution - get some x86 hardware and try it.
01:23 ch98 ok here is the link
01:23 * khonkhortisan stumbles through mesecon code
01:23 Exio i said "buy a cheap apu"
01:23 VanessaE khonkhortisan: how goes the crossover/null cell?
01:23 Exio or an old pc
01:23 ch98 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5753
01:23 khonkhortisan I think is_conductor_on shall return true if any wire is on, and true if there's a rule given, and that metarule is on.
01:24 khonkhortisan and I also think it should be crossover instead of crossing
01:25 VanessaE yes
01:26 ch98 my old pc is broken but still fixable cheeper than buying another old one
01:26 Exio fix it the
01:26 Exio +n
01:26 ch98 there is no computer cheeper than $15
01:26 Roukoswarf ch98: a haswell these days runs at about 250$
01:27 Roukoswarf especially when they release bga
01:27 Exio intel is overpriced
01:27 Exio buy an APU
01:27 Roukoswarf Exio: the issue is AMD is behind a mountain in die size, and other things
01:27 Exio he wants a cheap pc
01:27 Exio Roukoswarf: he wants price/performance
01:28 Roukoswarf theres really no x86 worth beans under 250$
01:28 Roukoswarf unless you go legacy to the point of uselessness
01:28 ch98 I allady have a computer that is perfect exept that minetest refuse to run
01:28 Exio my fx works pretty well Roukoswarf
01:28 ch98 and computer with few brown capaciters
01:29 Exio i can compile minetest in less than a minute, and play my games with more than 60 FPS, i'm ok with this
01:29 Roukoswarf ch98: the computer refuses to run minetest? did you try finding the problem?
01:29 Exio if i need more power, i overclock
01:29 Exio Roukoswarf: he can't compile it for ppc
01:29 VanessaE I think he means his PPC mac
01:29 Roukoswarf ah
01:30 Exio Roukoswarf: why "there isn't" any x86 worth under 250USD?
01:30 Roukoswarf Exio: haswell these days, beats any amd
01:30 ch98 ppc ubuntu refused to install for some reason
01:30 Exio i know
01:30 Exio but are you telling me you need an i7 4770K for playing games in facebook, or what the fuck?
01:30 Roukoswarf Exio: find me an x86 setup under 250$?
01:30 Exio oh, you mean full computer?
01:31 Roukoswarf yes....
01:31 Roukoswarf i can build a haswell brand spanking new, minus power supply and other menial things, for 250-300
01:31 Roukoswarf thats literally the cheapest i could build
01:31 ch98 Is it possible to make portable minetest on other ppc ubuntu machene and run it in live cd?
01:31 Roukoswarf legacy parts from amd would be the same price, at 1/10th the speed
01:32 Roukoswarf ch98: technically, yes, possible yet painfil
01:32 Roukoswarf painful*
01:32 Exio Roukoswarf: what prices with an APU + cheap mobo?
01:32 Roukoswarf Exio: how expencive is a decent quad apu?
01:32 ch98 live cd does work so I think it is the only possible way
01:33 Roukoswarf ch98: why not try figuring out why it does not install?
01:33 Roukoswarf also if you want nice arch support, use debian
01:33 Roukoswarf ubuntu is a bastard child of mac users these days
01:34 Exio Roukoswarf: i don't know prices outside argentina
01:34 ch98 only thing that even starts booting
01:34 ch98 is ubuntu
01:34 Roukoswarf Exio: im in canada, would be +-10$
01:34 Roukoswarf ch98: give me an error message
01:34 Exio Roukoswarf: +-10USD?
01:34 Roukoswarf Exio: yeah
01:35 Exio tell me the price for 8gb of ram, 1600mhz, hyperx, kingston
01:35 Roukoswarf 18$
01:35 Exio 115 USD
01:35 Roukoswarf wait
01:35 Roukoswarf 8 gig?
01:35 Exio yes
01:35 Roukoswarf 36$
01:35 Roukoswarf have some of that stuff myself
01:36 Exio i don't think a 1600mhz 8gb module with hyperx costs 36USD
01:37 Roukoswarf http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104244
01:37 Roukoswarf i got mine for 18-20$ locally with a good deal
01:38 Roukoswarf ch98: Im kinda the owner of the arch linux google+ community, got a problem, throw me an error to solve
01:40 Roukoswarf Exio: why are prices so high in argentina?
01:40 Roukoswarf shipping there couldnt be that expencive
01:41 Exio Roukoswarf: black magic
01:41 ch98 problem # 1... Why does xcode only build intel executable even if i set it to ppc?
01:41 ch98 when compiling mac
01:41 ch98 minetest
01:41 Roukoswarf ch98: cause apple doesnt care about ppc anymore
01:42 ch98 but xcode is 2.5 from days when apple did cair about ppc
01:43 kaeza VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&amp;user_id=6149
01:43 Exio Roukoswarf: do you know mauvedic?
01:44 VanessaE kaeza: dealt.
01:44 Roukoswarf Exio: brings up no google results, and i have never heard it before, what is it?
01:44 khonkhortisan mauvebic
01:44 Exio mauvebic k
01:45 kaeza VanessaE, thanks :)
01:45 Roukoswarf i see religious things
01:48 ch98 I will try ubuntu live so i will be off for some time
01:51 ch98 mauvebic: From:  Klach D'Kel Brakt, Registered:  2012-01-27, Last post:  Yesterday 07:33:09, Posts: 1,292, Website: http://sites.google.com/site/mauvebic/
01:52 ch98 bye
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01:59 Exio how cute
01:59 Exio i made my phone get a kernel panic
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02:00 Kacey hey guys i have a question
02:01 Kacey how do i host a local server and connect to it from a different computer on the same network?
02:02 VanessaE use the "Advanced" tab.
02:02 Kacey i did
02:02 VanessaE one minetest instance running that, another connecting via the regular "multiplayer" tab.
02:03 VanessaE use the LAN IP of the machine running the server
02:03 Kacey i tried. it doesnt work
02:03 VanessaE to tell the client to connect to it.
02:03 VanessaE then you're doing it wrong :-)
02:03 Exio i just looked at http://www.bash.org/?244321
02:03 Exio i laughed for nth time
02:04 Kacey i did it before,,,
02:06 Kacey hrmmmmmm...
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02:07 Kacey maybe if i make runserver.bat run then i can get somewhere
02:10 kaeza Exio, rofl
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02:14 Exio http://www.bash.org/?117002
02:15 arsdragonfly how can I tell if /clearobjects is finished?
02:16 VanessaE it'll tell you
02:16 arsdragonfly hmmmm
02:17 Kacey still not working
02:18 Kacey will it work over a wireless network?
02:18 VanessaE should be fine
02:18 VanessaE as long as your network handles UDP properly.
02:19 * Kacey is wondering why this isnt working
02:19 Kacey i have done it before on the same network
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03:04 VanessaE khonkhortisan: can you check the functioning of solar panels and vertical wires?  I'm seeing some kind of intermittent inversion issue
03:05 VanessaE (solar panels returning "on" when there's no light, and vice versa)
03:06 VanessaE (or just check the functioning of the solar panels anyway)
03:07 VanessaE might be abm-related, abms seem to have simply... stopped.
03:07 VanessaE yep, had to restart the server.
03:08 khonkhortisan so... no problem anymore?
03:08 VanessaE after the restart it's fine.
03:09 VanessaE khonkhortisan: now that said, there IS a problem with block updates
03:09 VanessaE circuits only turning on partly, etc.
03:10 VanessaE not sure if that's a mesecons issue or a client<->server communication issue
03:10 khonkhortisan it is hard to tell, in a correctly functioning circuit, you can have pieces appear to stay on
03:11 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2006162013%20-%2011:10:35%20PM.png
03:11 arsdragonfly what's the best way to copy an image to my remote host1free webserver?
03:11 arsdragonfly can I finish ftp uploading in a one-line command?
03:11 VanessaE that, for example.  I know that whole sign works.
03:12 khonkhortisan looks like a block border?
03:12 VanessaE might be, I'm not sure
03:13 VanessaE yeah, seems to be
03:13 VanessaE it's right close to Y+16
03:14 VanessaE if I go into the control room and turn the sign off/on, it lights up fully
03:15 VanessaE I've seen this happening a LOT with worldedit too
03:15 VanessaE block updates just...go missing
03:15 VanessaE I'll move a large structure and then have to logout/in after the move has completed, to see the result if it didn't update the first time.
03:15 VanessaE hmmmm: ^^^^ this may be in your court?
03:16 khonkhortisan With worldedit, I've had both a plane cutoff, and a few single-node CONTENT_IGNORE holes
03:18 hmmmm ?
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03:18 hmmmm no, this is not related to me
03:19 VanessaE thought you might have some insight since you're the mapgen/emergethread  god :)
03:29 Exio night
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03:30 khonkhortisan oh silly me I have a function that returns a table, and I'm trying to access the table directly
03:30 Dogzilla131 Did modding change?
03:31 VanessaE Dogzilla131: change how?
03:31 khonkhortisan dump() doesn't crash on table values
03:31 Dogzilla131 Format
03:31 VanessaE where you must put mods has changed, but that's about it as far as major changes
03:31 Dogzilla131 Where should I put now?
03:31 khonkhortisan ~/.minetest/mods/modname instead of ~/.minetest/mods/minetest/modname
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03:37 khonkhortisan I want to overwrite a bit in binary, and I end up chopping strings
03:47 khonkhortisan woohoo! 20:46:45: ERROR[main]: ServerError: LuaError: error: C++ exception
04:03 khonkhortisan var1 = {}; var2 = var1[0]; C++ exception
04:03 khonkhortisan Of course it doesn't work, it's just that it should be more descriptive
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04:16 arsdragonfly http://arsenalmp.no-ip.org?
04:16 arsdragonfly http://arsenalmp.no-ip.org/
04:16 arsdragonfly server dynamic map finished :-D
04:17 khonkhortisan It updates while the world is running?
04:17 khonkhortisan I see a grass+desert biome
04:25 arsdragonfly khonkhortisan: yes
04:26 arsdragonfly every 15 minutes
04:26 arsdragonfly I modified PilzAdam's map mod
04:26 arsdragonfly !server ping:most
04:26 ShadowBot arsdragonfly: server server [--showdesc]
04:34 ShadowNinja Oops, have to fix the help. ,,(server --ping most)
04:34 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Ray's server | 173.195.255.46 | clients: 3/17 | version: 0.4.7-7734717 | ping: 0.215
04:35 ShadowNinja Wait, it might have been ,,(server --ping highest)
04:35 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Arsdragonfly's server | arsenalmp.no-ip.org | clients: 0/1 | version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.560
04:35 ShadowNinja Yea.
04:35 arsdragonfly|pho as always
04:35 arsdragonfly|pho it's mine :-/
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04:45 ShadowNinja !help server
04:45 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: (server server [--{name,address,players,ping,port} <value>]) -- On numeric options like 'ping', 'port' and 'players' <value> can be num, <num, >num, !num, highest, or lowest.
04:46 ShadowNinja Redundant 'server' removed.
04:53 Menche is there a way to enable creative mode per-world?
05:06 ch98 internet didn't work on ubuntu live cd
05:08 arsdragonfly|pho ch98 IIRC you should edit resolv.conf
05:09 ch98 what is that?
05:11 arsdragonfly|pho add this line
05:11 arsdragonfly|pho in etc/resolv.conf
05:11 arsdragonfly|pho nameserver 8.8.8.8
05:16 ch98 can someone test
05:16 ch98 my concrete mod?
05:16 ch98 also, what does that do?
05:17 ShadowNinja ch98: Uses google's main DNS server.
05:17 ch98 what is good about it?
05:19 ShadowNinja Well you have a DNS server if it isn't already configured, you probably don't need to do that, more likely a driver issue.
05:24 khonkhortisan I was just thinking, concrete could be a less-capable version of worldedit. You'd place concrete, get a formspec to tell it what node to turn into. It would take the texture of that node, with the texture slightly altered to tell that it's still concrete. After it flows how much you want it to, then you do something to it to partially harden, then you can dig it. Then depending on how the mod was set up, either an admin can come
05:24 khonkhortisan along and finish the hardening process, or you could. Concrete in this form would both be additive and subtractive.
05:24 * khonkhortisan watches as the bot doesn't kick him.
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05:28 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: I made it smarter than that.
05:28 ch98 something happend and I accidentally logged off
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05:35 ch98 so... did anyone test my concrete mod 1.5?
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05:37 khonkhortisan I gotta go download me some concrete then
05:39 ch98 read last post and the first so you know what to test. I don't have intel so I can't run minetest.
05:40 ch98 link....  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5753
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05:54 ch98 bye. post resolt in forum
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06:14 khonkhortisan concrete doesn't look any different than reinforced concrete
06:15 khonkhortisan no different digging with hand creative
06:16 khonkhortisan lol placing drying concrete dries the rest of the concrete - that's simple
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07:25 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Add initial Decoration support, many misc. improvements & modifications 0a8519a26f 2013-06-17T00:21:36-07:00 http://git.io/1MkRtQ
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08:36 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Eat Your Vegetables Day! :-D
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09:56 john_minetest hello
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10:08 bdjnk I've got a question about timers and abms vs node timers.
10:08 bdjnk But rather than repeat it here, have a forum link: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=95191#p95191
10:09 bdjnk I'm off to bed.
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10:19 Jordach hey all
10:19 Jordach hey Calinou
10:20 Jordach having the vomit bug isnt any fun
10:20 * Jordach sees lamefun in wazyclan #minetest
10:23 * john_minetest built the beginning of an epic underground line on VanessaE's server
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10:33 Jordach john_minetest, very nice
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10:38 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:38 Jordach hey PilzAdam
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10:48 Jordach i opened another hexchat
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11:14 Jordach hey Calino
11:14 Jordach Calinou*
11:15 Calinou hi
11:16 Jordach Calinou, that HP Tower i said about last night works
11:16 Jordach we fed it Linux and it came to life
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11:44 Calinou ah
11:45 PilzAdam Calinou, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=95201#p95201
11:49 Calinou dat avatar, kaeza
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12:38 Taoki I have a question. Is it possible (with any mapgen or system) to register and set / unset Lua variables for biomes?
12:38 Taoki Either for an instance of a biome, or the definition of that biome (in cases like mapgen v7)
12:45 PilzAdam Calinou, http://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&amp;user_id=6157
12:46 sfan5 hello
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12:48 PilzAdam is MinetestBot fixed?
12:50 lamefun That's why we need the Global Government to forcibly unify everything, too many 3D engines, 3D formats, nothing works, designs by commiittee aren't perfect (JavaScript, HTML5), but skills, techniques and most importantly TOOLS --- tools are all, debug, introspect, UNIFIED everything --- UNIFIED tools --- best for the world!
12:52 PilzAdam MinetestBot!
12:52 MinetestBot PilzAdam!
12:53 PilzAdam are you fixed yet?
12:53 PilzAdam sfan5, !msg still doesnt work
12:53 sfan5 !join worked
12:53 sfan5 hm
12:53 sfan5 weird
12:53 sfan5 wait
12:53 sfan5 could this be
12:53 sfan5 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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12:54 sfan5 ShadowBot: ...
12:54 sfan5 .re
12:54 sfan5 .help
12:54 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
12:54 sfan5 oh what the fuck
12:54 PilzAdam !help
12:54 ShadowBot PilzAdam: help [<plugin>] [<command>]
12:55 PilzAdam can someone ban him already? http://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&amp;user_id=6157
12:55 PilzAdam he keeps posting things
12:56 sfan5 done.
12:56 lamefun Interesting Fact! 3D tools are in total chaos, we need the Global Government's intervention fast!
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12:57 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
12:57 sfan5 finally
12:58 MinetestBot YAY! I work again!
12:58 sfan5 !re TheLastProject´([A-Z].*)
12:58 MinetestBot sfan5: Failed to compile regex: unbalanced parenthesis
12:58 sfan5 ?
12:58 sfan5 PilzAdam: it was my fault, I should have set the config values correctly
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13:03 john_minetest PilzAdam is a gangsta rapper. MinetestBot says that he's so true.
13:03 john_minetest :D
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13:29 arsdragonfly|pho how to set a cooldown for /home in unifiedinventory?
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14:09 rubenwardy Hi all!
14:12 sfan5 hi
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14:40 lamefun We need the ONEist Global Government to forcibly unify too many 3D engines, 3D formats, nothing works, skills, techniques and most importantly TOOLS --- tools are all, debug, introspect, UNIFIED everything --- UNIFIED tools --- best for the world!
14:41 sfan5 lamefun: you said that 2 hours ago
14:41 rubenwardy Spam?
14:42 sfan5 !re ([A-Z][^A-Z]*)`TheLastProject
14:42 MinetestBot true groups=['The', 'Last', 'Project']
14:44 lamefun I know, acknowledge true, TOOLS, skillsets, DEBUG, INTROSPECT --- that is all, too many 3D formats for ONE --- UNFIED --- 3D tooling is chaos - PURE CHAOS --- thats why there are  so little even simpliest open-source 3D games --- DirectX INDUCSTRU STANDARD --- that's why!
14:45 lamefun Even LUA vs JAVascript issue is nothing in COomparison with This!
14:46 PilzAdam lamefun, stop it. now
14:46 lamefun Can't I even complain?
14:46 PilzAdam no, not in this channel
14:52 john_minetest lamefun: OpenGL and COLLADA (.dae) are things that are open standards. It's open and not another extend-and-embrace "standard" of microsoft.
14:52 PilzAdam john_minetest, dont feed that troll
14:53 john_minetest I accidently bought a ton of troll food on ebay... Hmmm... Now it's wasted and I have to throw it away ;)
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14:54 BlockMen hi
14:54 lamefun hm
14:54 BlockMen where can i find a list of graphics functions like "^[lowpart"?
14:54 PilzAdam tiles.cpp
14:54 lamefun maybe I just ran into irrlicht bug? the pole node should only affect part of model, but when I try to set its position, the whole model is upside down and inside out
14:55 BlockMen PA, thx
14:55 PilzAdam something arround line 1500
14:55 ShadowNinja The entity being fliped is a known bug.
14:57 lamefun ShadowNinja, workarounds?
14:58 ShadowNinja None.
14:59 ShadowNinja I don't know what causes it.
15:04 BlockMen PA, am i wrong or is there no "^[lowpart" for horizontal?
15:04 PilzAdam just rotate it before and after ^[lowpart
15:05 PilzAdam you want to do that furnace progress arrow, right?
15:05 BlockMen very good for resources :P
15:05 BlockMen and yes
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15:18 BlockMen kinda hacky but it works http://i.imgur.com/6v7GbUk.png
15:25 VanessaE hi all.
15:25 john_minetest hi VanessaE.
15:25 Jordach hey VanessaE
15:26 john_minetest VanessaE: I continued the subway on your server a bit.
15:26 VanessaE cool
15:26 john_minetest Now it is connected to farlands station and the three chairs near spawn.
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15:34 PilzAdam wtf?
15:34 PilzAdam I had Minetest runnning in background for a bit, and now its acting completly weird
15:34 PilzAdam the FPS in the title is switching like crazy between 30 and 60 and I actually get something like 10 FPS
15:35 PilzAdam when standing still, the walk sound is looped
15:36 PilzAdam F6 is just printing garbage
15:36 PilzAdam mainly "0" and "inf"
15:36 PilzAdam running another instance of Minetest works fine
15:38 PilzAdam everything else seems to work
15:38 rubenwardy you broke it!
15:38 VanessaE it does something similar for me, too
15:38 VanessaE the longer the client runs, the worse its performance
15:39 Jordach that sounds like meshes not being deleted
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15:39 VanessaE (usually takes an hour or two for it to become irritating enough to demand a client restart)
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15:39 PilzAdam VanessaE, it came out of the sudden
15:39 PilzAdam started to hearing the footstep sounds suddenly
15:40 PilzAdam then I investigated
15:40 VanessaE Jordach: when I open most formspecs, especially inventory, the display flickers for a second - like the formspec is drawn and then deleted several times in a row
15:40 VanessaE PilzAdam: probably not the exact same bug but a bug nonetheless.
15:40 PilzAdam top says minetest is at 60% CPU
15:40 VanessaE Jordach: happens when switching pages too.
15:40 Jordach anyways, i should be upgrading my processor to Intel Dual Core soon
15:41 PilzAdam RAM usage is normal, I guess
15:41 khonkhortisan http://pastebin.com/4QGbXeN0
15:42 khonkhortisan he who clicketh find outeth what it isth. He who waiteth listenth to he who clicketh.
15:44 PilzAdam well, the FPS are kinda weird, looking arround is like 60 FPS, but walking arround and digging animation is like 10 FPS
15:44 khonkhortisan ok, so I'll tell you. It's two ways minetest crashes.
15:45 VanessaE PilzAdam: I get the same problem with the digging animation especially with HDX - some materials dig normally, some materials drop me to like 5fps or less while digging
15:46 PilzAdam also, it seems like walking is exacly 1 node per step
15:46 VanessaE call me bitter, but I guess no one who can fix these performance lags gives a shit.
15:47 PilzAdam it seems like movement just lost its float precision
15:49 PilzAdam clicking right mouse button always triggers 2 node placements
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16:17 john_minetest khonkhortisan: I guessed that it was minetest because there are some irrlicht things and the name "singleplayer" in it.
16:17 khonkhortisan and this is the minetest channel, and the path includes minetest
16:18 khonkhortisan and minetest.conf
16:18 john_minetest I only looked at the cryptic stuff. Looking at obvious stuff is so... obvious.
16:19 khonkhortisan made too much sense to do it
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16:24 kaeza mornings
16:25 VanessaE afternoon
16:25 kaeza don't mind me, I'm still asleep
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16:32 Exio hi kaeza! :P
16:33 kaeza o/
16:34 Kacey what about little old /me?
16:36 VanessaE hi Kacey
16:37 kaeza hey Kacey
16:40 thexyz http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6286
16:40 thexyz why do they shitpost?
16:41 Exio ask him
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16:48 john_minetest hi Zeg9
16:48 Zeg9 Hi.
16:50 Kacey if i multiply two four bit binary numbers, how many bits doi have?
16:50 Kacey do i*
16:53 khonkhortisan if mesecon:is_powered(pos, rule) then mesecon:turnon(pos, rule) end <-- I forgot a not
16:53 john_minetest Kacey: You have got 8
16:54 john_minetest 4 bits multiplied is maximum 15*15 which can be made with 8 bits.
16:54 VanessaE john_minetest: 16*16 you mean.
16:55 VanessaE (always count one over the max value for that)
16:55 john_minetest 1111 is 15 ... ?
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16:55 Zeg9 and 0000 is 0
16:55 VanessaE john_minetest: nevermind, it's an old habit from the old days.
16:55 john_minetest Counting from 0. I know this :D
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17:25 rubenwardy Has my cloak worked?
17:27 sfan5 * rubenwardy (~rubenward@unaffiliated/rubenwardy) has joined #minetest
17:27 khonkhortisan yes, you only appear with your cloak.
17:27 rubenwardy good, thanks
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17:27 rubenwardy Did I join twice then?
17:28 khonkhortisan yes
17:28 khonkhortisan (Quit: You may notice this notice is not worth noticing)
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17:30 PilzAdamIsTheSat damn
17:30 PilzAdamIsTheSat Missing "an"
17:30 PilzAdamIsTheSat from the name
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17:30 PilzAdamIsTheSat That is annoying]
17:31 PilzAdamIsTheSat can any one else see three messages on rubenwardy joining?
17:32 khonkhortisan rubenwardy, your cloak was slow that time
17:32 khonkhortisan join, quit changing host, join cloaked
17:32 PilzAdamTheSatan annoying
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17:33 khonkhortisan it was better the other way
17:33 PilzAdamTheSatan There might be something in settings...
17:34 khonkhortisan it takes over half a second to redraw the irc window when I scroll or when someone talks
17:36 rubenwardy hmmm
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17:42 john_minetest khonkhortisan: Lol, what are you doing? Slow computer or heavy programs running in the background?
17:43 khonkhortisan I'm not using all of my cpu or my memory, I don't have a good reason for its slowness.
17:43 VanessaE bbl
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17:43 PilzAdamTheSatan Woop!
17:43 PilzAdamTheSatan It works!
17:44 khonkhortisan yep. single, cloaked join
17:44 kaeza ...
17:44 PilzAdamTheSatan Added a delay between identify and join channels
17:44 PilzAdamTheSatan so there is now enough time to cloak before joining
17:44 Calinou hi
17:44 Calinou khonkhortisan: suddenly: storage
17:44 khonkhortisan you must be you, then.
17:44 rubenwardy Woops, wrong user
17:45 kaeza hey rubenwardy
17:45 rubenwardy /msg NickServ group PilzAdamTheSatan
17:45 rubenwardy :P
17:45 kaeza hai Calinou
17:45 rubenwardy wrong command
17:45 kaeza yep
17:45 khonkhortisan "can any one else see three messages on rubenwardy joining?" trying to make us think you're not you
17:45 rubenwardy nope
17:45 rubenwardy just being specifc
17:46 rubenwardy -NickServ- Nick PilzAdamTheSatan is now registered to your account.
17:46 rubenwardy trollololo
17:46 Calinou dat avatar, kaeza
17:46 TheLastProject Congratulations, you're a jerk!
17:46 Calinou still less cool than Taoki's
17:46 kaeza Calinou, :3
17:46 Calinou hey TheLastProject
17:46 TheLastProject Calinou: What.
17:46 rubenwardy Was that to me, TheLastProject?
17:46 Calinou TheLastProject: the?
17:46 TheLastProject Yes, rubenwardy
17:47 rubenwardy oh, cool. Just checking
17:47 Taoki You mean IRC avatar?
17:47 TheLastProject IRC avatar?
17:47 kaeza -.-
17:47 rubenwardy Did not want any one else to achieve jerk status
17:47 TheLastProject Since when...
17:47 Calinou jerk status can only be achieved by me and graphitemaster and TheLastProject
17:47 TheLastProject Calinou: Moi?
17:47 rubenwardy -NickServ- Nick PilzAdamTheSatan has been removed from your account.
17:48 TheLastProject Good boy
17:48 rubenwardy Hi, rubenwerdy, are we related?
17:48 Calinou it's so hot here :( graphics card at 52°C in idle, 42% fan speed
17:48 Taoki TheLastProject: KVIrc supports avatars, thought people meant that :)
17:49 TheLastProject I wonder what you see for all those who do not have stuff not supported by the IRC protocol like avatars, Taoki :P
17:49 TheLastProject AKA: Me
17:49 Calinou Taoki: no, on the forums
17:49 Calinou Taoki even cross-avatars, he has at least 3 different avatars :3
17:49 Taoki TheLastProject: KVIrc has avatar support by using a flag in the user name and DCC or direct linking of images. For those who don't have KVIrc or an avatar set in it, you simply see no avatar :P
17:49 Taoki I wish more IRC clients had avatar support
17:50 TheLastProject Avatar support sounds utterly useless
17:50 Calinou DCC, being more exploited than TheLastProject since 2006®
17:50 Taoki TheLastProject: Nah, it's a nice addition
17:50 TheLastProject But that's probably because, for me, it really is useless
17:50 TheLastProject Because avatars in a cli?
17:50 Taoki Calinou: KVIrc avatars can be either set through DCC, or direct links
17:50 Taoki I direct-link mine from imageshack or tinypic
17:51 Taoki In that case the IRC clients opens them like a browser does and shows them in the user list :)
17:51 Calinou inb4 linking to 1GB images
17:51 Taoki Well I haven't ever seen an 1GB image so :P
17:52 khonkhortisan I renamed mesecons_extrawires:crossing_off to mesecons_extrawires:crossover_off and now it's not showing up in the creative inventory
17:52 Taoki 1GB would probably mean a resolution that would cover a few neighbor's houses at full scale :)
17:52 Calinou there is no "full scale"
17:52 Calinou logically
17:53 TheLastProject Calinou: I guess you'll be spending the rest of the day figuring out how KVIrc does that just to annoy those users?
17:53 Taoki Yeah, at 100% scale. But then it would depend on the pixel size of the monitor you're counting in
17:53 Calinou suddenly: full HD 27"s
17:53 * Calinou 's eyes dies of bleeding
17:54 TheLastProject s/dies/die/
17:54 TheLastProject Eyes is not singular
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17:57 kaeza https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/d0c048b99956eed63e06c1fbcdc3cc7b.jpg
17:58 kaeza Calinou, ^
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18:13 lamefun Lua is actually very nice. Same as JavaScript, but not plagued by tons of warts, sad that it's not what's prescribed :(
18:13 Calinou kaeza: old news
18:14 lamefun Maybe it's possible to get the Global Government prescribe it instead of JavaScript?
18:14 rubenwardy "Global Government?"
18:14 Calinou "praise javascript" disapproves
18:14 Calinou lamefun is just another Praise JavaScript
18:14 Calinou "C++ should only be done for an assignment" --PJS fact
18:15 rubenwardy I like both JS and LUA
18:15 khonkhortisan lua is not a complete language
18:15 rubenwardy prefer JS
18:15 rubenwardy but it is still a language
18:15 TheLastProject Python, yay
18:15 TheLastProject Javascript: http://i.imgur.com/0skrb.jpg
18:16 lamefun Calinou, "C++ should only be done for an assignment" --- because it won't be even possible to use C++ for anything else: only HTML5/JavaScript/CSS will be available for mere mortals, C++ will be only available for use in corporations.
18:16 rubenwardy lol, wtf?
18:16 rubenwardy there are millions of free c++ compilers
18:17 TheLastProject lamefun: Programming in HTML5 and Javascript is a hell
18:17 TheLastProject An absolute hell
18:17 rubenwardy http://craftyjs.com !
18:17 rubenwardy That is what I use
18:18 lamefun The fate of Assembler --- it's only used by 2 types of people: people working in serious corporations and hacker criminals. That's why the next CPU architecture that comes after x86 and ARM will not have its assembler publicially available.
18:18 rubenwardy and http://www.jetbrains.com/phpstorm/ for debuging and building
18:18 rubenwardy lol
18:18 rubenwardy so?
18:18 rubenwardy I am sure hobbyists will use it
18:19 rubenwardy and lamefun [citation-needed]
18:19 rubenwardy *..fun:
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18:20 rubenwardy I am getting the impression that lamefun is some sort of rightwing programmer
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18:21 lamefun And free software will be banned too, because the only people who need the freedom and privacy that it offers are dissidents and criminals.
18:22 khonkhortisan that would be impossible to do
18:23 rubenwardy lolo
18:23 lamefun By gradual implementation of Restricted Boot --- will be much harder to get new people into free software because installing it won't be as easy as it is now ---> free software will gradually go extinct and when it reaches a minimum, then it will be banned.
18:23 lamefun On desktops first --- servers will follow.
18:24 rubenwardy lamefun is definitely some sort of rightwing programmer
18:24 rubenwardy and communist
18:24 rubenwardy lamefun: no one gives a shit
18:24 khonkhortisan You don't ban something just before it goes extinct
18:24 rubenwardy it will never be banned
18:25 rubenwardy it will never go extinct
18:25 khonkhortisan The software you write is free software to your coworkers
18:26 thexyz lamefun: why are you so sure?
18:26 lamefun No idea.
18:27 lamefun I just assume the worst.
18:27 thexyz micro$oft's secureboot has to be disableable
18:27 lamefun not on ARM
18:27 thexyz true that
18:27 lamefun and ARM will displace x86
18:27 lamefun and
18:27 thexyz I'm sure it won't
18:27 lamefun the only x86 computers will be super-expensive workstationx
18:28 lamefun normal people will just use tablets because they are more convenient
18:28 rubenwardy typing?
18:28 lamefun attachable keyboard
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18:29 lamefun like in Surface
18:29 rubenwardy Surface's keyboard is crap
18:29 lamefun I've read that in Surface it's inconvenient, but other tablets will learn from that and make it better
18:29 rubenwardy Asus Transformer's is better
18:29 lamefun So, we are living in the end times for free software.
18:30 thexyz normal people who only consume
18:30 rubenwardy Lol, my server is "moorcock.freenode.net"
18:30 rubenwardy OpenOffice ftw!
18:30 lamefun So, have last bits of fun and freedom. The end is near.
18:30 thexyz rubenwardy: hmmm?
18:30 rubenwardy When you say "free software" do you mean "open source and freedom" or "free in price"
18:30 thexyz lamefun: how will they stop me from using linux?
18:31 rubenwardy thexyz: more cock
18:31 lamefun won't boot
18:31 rubenwardy Yes it will
18:31 thexyz lamefun: on hardware I already have?
18:31 thexyz rubenwardy: read more
18:31 lamefun no, not without Microsoft keys
18:31 lamefun thexyz, your hardware will break sooner or later
18:31 khonkhortisan that would require a microsoft bios
18:31 rubenwardy bye all
18:31 lamefun and then you'll have to use software for normal people
18:31 rubenwardy Could build my own computer
18:31 khonkhortisan My calculator is programmable
18:31 diemartin http://www.bash.org/?694826
18:32 khonkhortisan I can write my source code on paper and send it through the mail
18:32 thexyz what's the point of writing code if no one is able to compile it?
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18:39 khonkhortisan haha tricked by pass-by-reference yet again
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18:54 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=95287#p95287
18:54 Calinou mmmph
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19:02 thexyz you stupid shit
19:03 Calinou hence its old name: "stupidloggingbot"
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19:03 thexyz back then it was even more stupid
19:05 thexyz https://github.com/blog/1529-repository-next
19:07 TheLastProject "Repository Next"
19:07 TheLastProject This "next" sounds so stupid
19:07 TheLastProject Why did it become a trend?..
19:07 Calinou like you
19:08 Calinou inb4 TheLastProject critisizes github
19:08 TheLastProject I'm not a Next, I'm a Last.
19:08 TheLastProject Totally different thing
19:09 thexyz http://i.imgur.com/IwMtqcY.png
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19:09 TheLastProject Meh, we'll see how it ends
19:09 TheLastProject I'm not sure if I find the new design better
19:10 TheLastProject But I'll get used to it none-the-less
19:11 * PilzAdam found a pony in Transformers (the movie)
19:11 Taoki yay!
19:12 lamefun Calinou, Red Eclipse, Xonotic, Minetest, what else?
19:13 Calinou PilzAdam, where
19:13 PilzAdam Calinou, the little girl that finds one autobot in the pool
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19:13 PilzAdam its in one of the trailers too, IIRC
19:13 PilzAdam it has a pony in her hand
19:13 PilzAdam s/it/she
19:14 Calinou Taoki, TIL the hard way I can taunt in spectator mode, in xonotic, and other players can hear it
19:14 Taoki heh, sounds like a bug
19:14 Calinou I pressed I by mistake on camping rifle FT server, and I asked whether other people heard "okie dokie wokie" :P
19:14 Calinou and people said yes :P
19:14 PilzAdam Calinou, why do you keep telling people that furnaces work in unloaded areas?
19:14 PilzAdam they dont
19:15 Calinou PilzAdam, they do?
19:15 PilzAdam nope
19:15 PilzAdam you are wrong
19:15 Calinou was that removed when furnaces were ported to lua?
19:15 Calinou ;-;
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19:16 PilzAdam Taoki, in github, you dont put a space between the username and the @
19:17 Taoki Where did that happen?
19:17 Taoki Calinou: Haha, nice
19:18 PilzAdam e.g. here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/606#issuecomment-19561885
19:18 PilzAdam but in other places too
19:18 PilzAdam BlockMen, dont feed the troll called mauvebic
19:19 Taoki Oh. Is there a difference if you do?
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19:20 PilzAdam yes
19:20 Calinou if you feed mauvebic, he transforms into a combination of xsax, mikeeusa and Calinou
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19:20 Calinou catchphrase: "GAY semi-automatic pistol in bed"
19:20 BlockMen btw..why isnt he banned too? he has alos blanked out
19:21 BlockMen PilzAdam, and the difference is?
19:21 PilzAdam github highlights you differently
19:24 PilzAdam 1) rightclick on a YouTube video 2) click on "stats for nerds" 3) .... 4) PROFIT!!!
19:25 Calinou 5) DEBT!!! if you live in PIIGS
19:26 BlockMen it is PIIGCS now :P
19:27 Calinou oh, right
19:27 BlockMen or PIIGCMS
19:27 Calinou we're far from "pigs" now :(
19:27 BlockMen i forgot Malta
19:27 Calinou PIIGSANIEHMZMSPilzAdamS
19:27 Calinou there
19:27 Calinou ^ 2020
19:28 BlockMen 2020? who cares? we wont have an EU then anymore
19:28 * PilzAdam will be famous in 2020
19:28 Calinou PilzAdam president
19:29 BlockMen ^ of france ;P
19:29 Calinou probably
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19:29 BlockMen thats ok then
19:29 PilzAdam Ill integrate it into germany
19:30 * BlockMen thinks probably PA isnt the right one...
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19:41 PilzAdam BlockMen, simply ignore mauvebic
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19:41 BlockMen ok, now i can stop. he has shown everyone how stupid he is
19:42 BlockMen that was my aim :)
19:42 PilzAdam hi NekoGloop
19:45 thexyz BlockMen: where?
19:46 PilzAdam thexyz, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=95269#p95269
19:47 BlockMen thexyz, umm...where not?
19:49 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on PilzAdam's head
19:50 thexyz http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3646
19:50 thexyz irony!
19:50 kaeza why rename nodes to blocks?
19:50 thexyz NekoGloop: I mean, where has he "shown everyone how stupid he is"
19:50 kaeza thexyz, lol
19:50 kaeza true
19:50 NekoGloop What...
19:51 Calinou the...
19:51 PilzAdam NekoGloop, he means BlockMen
19:51 kaeza fu...
19:51 Calinou ck.
19:51 thexyz oh, yes
19:52 thexyz typos
19:52 thexyz are everywhere
19:52 NekoGloop inb4 "I confused the two idiots in the channel"
19:52 kaeza :|
19:52 Calinou inafter "I confused the two idiots in this channel"
19:53 * Menche only saw the last few minutes of this conversation...
19:53 NekoGloop kaeza: Because it makes more sense, to the player, that the item description matches what the developers are saying.
19:53 NekoGloop And a "Steel Node" sounds ridiculous.
19:53 PilzAdam Menche, this conversation started a few minutes ago...
19:53 thexyz archiving mods is actually a good idea, but there are two major problems: 1) who will do it; 2) how do we archive repos
19:54 Menche only saw half of it
19:54 thexyz 1) is solved by creating github repo and giving access to some people
19:54 NekoGloop thexyz: 1) someone who doesn't respect licensing *cough*everyone*cough*, 2) a bot.
19:54 PilzAdam Menche, how do you know?
19:54 khonkhortisan I feel like I can't contribute to a mod without it being in a repository
19:54 BlockMen Menche, you call me a troll? seriously?
19:55 Menche telling someone to stay away because he hasn't been around for a while is rude.
19:55 thexyz it's not a very good idea to store binary files in git repo but it's the easiest way to not rely on a single person
19:55 Menche ok, i'll edit that out
19:55 Menche fine
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19:55 thexyz NekoGloop: I don't get it, what's the licensing issue?
19:55 BlockMen he said he left, and he said nowhere that he came back. so it was maybe "rude" but not pointless
19:56 * Menche doesn't see where it says that you have to announce your return
19:56 PilzAdam Menche, depends how you leave
19:56 NekoGloop BlockMen: Hello Miranda.
19:56 NekoGloop thexyz: People will still archive something, even if they licensed it as -ND, you see.
19:57 PilzAdam BlockMen, and about the actual topic: You dont really expect anyone to change anything, do you?
19:57 PilzAdam NekoGloop, -ND is not supported in the forum
19:57 NekoGloop PilzAdam: So?
19:57 thexyz NekoGloop: ND doesn't stop me from archiving, it stops me from changing the contents
19:57 BlockMen PilzAdam, no. i thought it could be interesting to discuss this. but it seems that hating makes more fun
19:57 NekoGloop It's still a perfectly valid license.
19:57 thexyz it is
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19:58 NekoGloop And this is why i left; nobody respects anything here.
19:59 kaeza NekoGloop, where does archiving a -ND mod violate the terms?
20:00 thexyz NekoGloop: okay
20:00 thexyz any other opinions on mods archive?
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20:03 PilzAdam thexyz, we can add an archive to the mod manager
20:04 NekoGloop i don't see the reason to hoard everyone's creations
20:04 NekoGloop If they wanna have their work rid from this hellhole, so be it.
20:05 thexyz NekoGloop: that's not how internet works
20:05 NekoGloop Oh you're right
20:05 PilzAdam NekoGloop, why would they release their work under a free license if they dot want it to be free?
20:05 PilzAdam +n
20:05 thexyz PilzAdam: well, we can (and it'll works this way most likely), but it's still far enough from complete
20:05 NekoGloop The internet is for assholes, virgins, and porn.
20:05 kaeza ._.
20:06 * kaeza is in at least two of those categories
20:06 thexyz NekoGloop: are you porn?
20:06 PilzAdam NekoGloop, add "kittens" and you got it
20:07 NekoGloop thexyz: No, from your description, the internet isn't meant for me.
20:07 thexyz NekoGloop: oh, then leave it now
20:07 mati1 who is RealBadAngel??
20:07 NekoGloop thexyz: Note: "from your description"
20:07 kaeza he is RealBadAngel
20:08 PilzAdam mati1, what do you expect as an answer?
20:08 thexyz NekoGloop: whatever, I didn't give it any description
20:08 thexyz apart from the fact you cannot remove anything from it, which is quite obvious
20:09 thexyz well, not for government
20:09 mati1 maybe todey was hier
20:09 PilzAdam mati1, german?
20:10 * mati1 ja germany berlin ;)
20:10 Calinou "hier" is "yesterday" in french
20:10 PilzAdam hier is here in german
20:10 Calinou i'm saying that because I read "todey" as "today" :P
20:10 PilzAdam +""""
20:12 thexyz I actually was about to ask if he's going to leave
20:14 Calinou well, you won
20:14 BlockMen you can win on internet :P
20:14 * PilzAdam wonders whether anyone would care if we ban him...
20:14 BlockMen *cant
20:16 * BlockMen dont like trolls =\
20:17 Calinou buut... some trolls are funny
20:17 PilzAdam you cant like trolls by definition
20:17 PilzAdam unless they troll someone else
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20:17 Calinou hi Menche
20:17 Menche hi
20:18 lamefun can I at least make so one entity moves with the other and if the parent dies, the child entities will die too?
20:18 lamefun I want to simulate at least horiz rotation for turrets this way until bones bug is fixed
20:19 PilzAdam lamefun, search for attachment in lua-api.txt
20:19 PilzAdam you would need to handle the die part in on_step(), though
20:20 * BlockMen leaves
20:20 BlockMen bye everyone
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20:34 sfan5 good night
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20:41 StrayBytes I don't know which one of you is harassing me via email on behalf of "the community". If that person could realize that 1. He's just plain annoying. 2. I'm not the one that sent out those DoSs, that would be most appreciated.
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20:43 kaeza what the f
20:44 sapier who is he/she?
20:44 kaeza posting a long message and leaving?
20:44 kaeza rarkenin
20:44 * Menche is annoyed when people randomly take on different usernames
20:44 * kaeza too
20:45 sapier there are much more severe things to be annoyed about ;-)
20:46 kaeza yeah, like winning the Microsoft National Lottery via email
20:47 sapier does anyone want checkboxes textlists and shadowboxes as formspec elements? ;-)
20:47 kaeza I won £250000 ^_^
20:47 kaeza sapier, f yeah
20:48 kaeza ...shadowboxes?
20:48 sapier just plain colored boxes that can be used as backgrounds
20:48 kaeza arbitrary colors?
20:48 sapier in theory yes in practice it's limited to a hand full standard colors
20:49 kaeza could be useful anyway
20:49 sapier atm colors are set by using a 3 character color identifier
20:49 sapier e.g. BLK for black
20:50 sapier it's easy to add additional color keys
20:50 sapier help me get formspec mainmenu merged and all those features will be added same time ;-)
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21:44 VanessaE hi all
21:44 VanessaE I see I missed a shitstorm while I was out.
21:44 Uberi what happened?
21:45 VanessaE Uberi: nekogloop and blockmen both showed up and all hell broke loose I guess :)
21:45 kaeza hey V
21:45 VanessaE (better to look at the log)
21:45 kaeza hey Uberi
21:45 Uberi o/
21:45 kaeza \o
21:45 Uberi VanessaE: I'd really rather not, now that you describe it
21:46 kaeza VanessaE, the usual stuff: changing everything for no reason
21:46 kaeza (BlockMen)
21:46 VanessaE kaeza: and licensing arguments.
21:47 kaeza that too :)
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21:51 STHGOM me go too
22:02 arsdragonfly hmmm ,seems every player times out on join on my server
22:03 VanessaE arsdragonfly: because their clients crash.
22:03 VanessaE it's a known bug, happens to everyone
22:03 arsdragonfly i just installed some mods and I can enter it
22:03 VanessaE they start to receive the media stream, and somewhere in the middle, the client crashes.
22:04 VanessaE it's nothing you did.
22:05 arsdragonfly ... any workaround or fixes?
22:05 VanessaE not that I know of.
22:05 kaeza it's only when new media is involved
22:05 VanessaE kaeza: not always, but usually so.
22:05 kaeza if the media is already cached nothing happens
22:06 arsdragonfly huh
22:06 VanessaE I'm unclear if there's a fix for this or not
22:06 arsdragonfly it used to be a vanilla one
22:06 VanessaE it doesn't matter if you run any mods, or what mods you run, as the server still has to send some media.
22:07 VanessaE (and of course the "vanilla" content is itself a collection of mods)
22:07 arsdragonfly well, nothing happened at that time
22:08 arsdragonfly When I wake up and cat nohup.out | grep players
22:08 arsdragonfly I see nearly ALL join messages followed by a timeout one
22:09 arsdragonfly that's terrible...
22:10 Uberi maybe you have a bad connection?
22:10 arsdragonfly yes I do
22:10 arsdragonfly !server ping:most
22:10 MinetestBot arsdragonfly: Arsdragonfly's server | arsenalmp.no-ip.org | Clients: 0/100, 4 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.453
22:10 Uberi ah, then you can provide a cache folder download maybe
22:10 Uberi is that ping in seconds?
22:10 arsdragonfly remote media server?
22:10 PilzAdam its in ping-units
22:11 Uberi stupid imperial system
22:11 PilzAdam alternatively °ping
22:11 Uberi I bet its conversion factor is like 1 ping-unit = 2.16328723 seconds
22:11 Uberi arsdragonfly: that might work too, I dunno
22:12 arsdragonfly as long as my server is up, the server with the most ping is mine :-(
22:12 Uberi is that a challenge?
22:12 * Uberi gets out Slowloris
22:13 arsdragonfly how? simply copy everything in mods/foo/textures/ into one folder?
22:13 arsdragonfly lol
22:13 TheLastProject Guys? Why was there nothing in the changelog about losing all your items when you die? :(
22:13 Uberi arsdragonfly: join your own server
22:13 VanessaE TheLastProject: bones mod.
22:13 TheLastProject I thought suicide to get back to my home was a sane choice...
22:13 TheLastProject It used to be :(
22:13 khonkhortisan bones mod
22:13 Uberi TheLastProject: bones
22:13 VanessaE khonkhortisan: ninja'd :)
22:13 Uberi go back to where you died
22:13 khonkhortisan Uberi, too
22:13 Uberi ya
22:13 TheLastProject Huh, what?
22:14 TheLastProject No, I don't want mods =/
22:14 Uberi TheLastProject: go back to where you died
22:14 khonkhortisan black thing with a skull on it
22:14 khonkhortisan remove bones mod then
22:14 TheLastProject I don't remember where I died...
22:14 Uberi TheLastProject: no, it's a default mod
22:14 TheLastProject I got lost...
22:14 arsdragonfly I'm still in my bed and don't feel like getting up
22:14 Uberi like, it comes with Minetest
22:14 VanessaE TheLastProject: the bones mod comes as part of minetest_game in 0.4.7 and up.
22:14 arsdragonfly my server is on my phone
22:14 TheLastProject Ah, and that makes me lose all my stuff?
22:14 Uberi yep
22:14 TheLastProject Dammit...
22:14 Uberi TheLastProject: no big deal, we can help you find it if you post your debug.txt
22:14 VanessaE you have to find your bones, get your stuff back, and then go uninstall the mod.
22:14 TheLastProject I wish this was in the changelog :(
22:15 TheLastProject Is the debug.txt on the server?
22:15 Uberi debug.txt is in your bin folder
22:15 TheLastProject Because this is not my server
22:15 Uberi oh yeah then you're outta luck
22:15 VanessaE "* Drop common mods system, Survival and Build game; minetest_game includes all common mods and the bones mod from Survival now (PilzAdam) http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6034"
22:15 VanessaE ^^^ changelog.
22:15 arsdragonfly btw it's hard for your server to be even slower
22:15 Uberi what if I run it on an abacus
22:15 arsdragonfly cuz  i run debian on android
22:16 arsdragonfly uh that doesn't even work I think :-/
22:16 VanessaE Uberi: maybe he runs his on sand and stones, http://xkcd.com/505/
22:16 TheLastProject VanessaE: I don't see anything about losing items there =/
22:16 VanessaE TheLastProject: that's what the bones mod does.  Thought everyone knew that?
22:16 khonkhortisan Quoth the desert, 505.
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22:17 Uberi TheLastProject: that's because you don't lose your items
22:17 Uberi they still exist
22:17 Uberi but not on your person
22:17 TheLastProject VanessaE: I do not because I don't constantly check everything. I just read the changelog and assumed to be up-to-date
22:17 Uberi VanessaE: that's one of my all-time favourites
22:17 TheLastProject Uberi: That's what I call "losing". I at very least would've liked to know that BEFORE I jumped off the cliff :P
22:17 VanessaE TheLastProject: fair enough - we know not to assume anything about this game now, don't we? ;)
22:18 TheLastProject VanessaE: What is the point of a changelog if it doesn't keep me up-to-date, though? =/
22:18 TheLastProject Then again, it depends on what you see as important changes
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22:18 TheLastProject I guess it is clear I consider this one important :P
22:18 VanessaE TheLastProject: well in theory the changelog needs to say what was added, removed, or moved, but not necessarily to explain such things.
22:18 Uberi TheLastProject: what isn't clear about the change?
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22:18 Uberi it says pretty obviously that the bones mod was added, after all
22:18 kaeza http://www.bash.org/?39183
22:19 Uberi and there's a link to a forum topic where the bones mod is described as waylaying your items upon death
22:19 TheLastProject Uberi: If the bones mod literally only does that, it would've been useful to mention it :P
22:20 VanessaE bbl
22:20 TheLastProject I mean, if it's a HUGE list of changes then of course it makes little sense to list it all
22:20 TheLastProject But yeah
22:20 TheLastProject Oh well :P
22:20 Uberi TheLastProject: yeah that's pretty much all bones does
22:20 * TheLastProject goes to find his albums back
22:20 khonkhortisan Still working on a crossover for mesecons, currently 309 additions, 37 deletions (including print statements)
22:21 Uberi to add an incentive not to die in survival mode
22:21 Uberi khonkhortisan: great to hear it, I can't wait to see that
22:21 TheLastProject I understand the reasoning, really
22:21 TheLastProject I just wish I knew it BEFORE I jumped off the cliff, heh
22:22 Uberi ah well
22:22 TheLastProject I wonder which of the many mountains I jumped off >.<
22:22 Uberi any landmarks?
22:22 Uberi retrace your steps perhaps?
22:23 TheLastProject I got lost, which is why I jumped off, heh
22:23 TheLastProject So now I need to get lost in the same way
22:23 TheLastProject Somehow
22:23 TheLastProject And no, no landmarks
22:23 TheLastProject I just know I was on a high mountain
22:23 TheLastProject But it's FILLED with that
22:23 Uberi better start looking in valleys then
22:24 TheLastProject Hmm, yeah
22:24 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Decoration: Change divlen to sidelen 56093b6614 2013-06-17T15:23:31-07:00 http://git.io/WQyZGw
22:25 Uberi and in the future, if you get lost, the F5 coordinates are real useful
22:25 khonkhortisan I leave those coordinates on while I play
22:26 TheLastProject Well, useful tip, khonkhortisan
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22:27 Frogphone Guys, do you think I'm allergic to women? My dick keeps swelling up...
22:27 TheLastProject My stuff won't disappear after a certain time limit, will it?
22:27 khonkhortisan do you think we don't know you already know the answer?
22:28 kaeza TheLastProject, nope
22:28 TheLastProject Good
22:28 kaeza in multiplayer, you have 2 hrs IIRC to pick up your stuff
22:29 kaeza after that, the bones become old and anyone can pick them up
22:30 TheLastProject Yay, found it
22:30 Uberi really? nice
22:31 TheLastProject I've never seen a box of bones before, but oh well :P
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22:32 frogcrush TheLastProject: I have, and its creepy
22:32 TheLastProject Now I'm lost again. Ugh, my lack of sense of orientation sucks! >.<
22:32 khonkhortisan With a blocky world, there's only eight directions
22:32 khonkhortisan 12½% chance of going the right way
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22:39 arsdragonfly khonkhortisan ,that's 1/8 for every step
22:40 Uberi ignoring duplicates, of course
22:40 arsdragonfly and (1/8)^n for n steps, so chances are that you'll get lost :-P
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22:41 Uberi only (1/8)^n unique paths, there are only (8/sqrt(2))^2*n  paths with unique locations
22:42 Uberi sorry, I meant 4*n/sqrt(2)
22:43 Exio wat
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22:44 Uberi 1/sqrt(2) is the ratio of walk length diagonal to the area of the square formed from the origin to the destination
22:45 Uberi since there are 4 such squares, multiply by 4 and then the length of the diagonal
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22:46 Uberi assuming we're measuring with manhattan distance
22:47 ch98 is there any way to force xcode to build for ppc and not intel?
22:47 PilzAdam ch98, you asked this yesterday and got an answer
22:48 ch98 oh I did?
22:48 khonkhortisan I remember you asking, but I don't remember an answer
22:48 ch98 checking logs
22:49 PilzAdam http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-06-16#i_3145516
22:50 PilzAdam you asked several times before that, but thats the one where you got an answer
22:51 ch98 oh that. ppc never stays ppc and just went back to i368. I was asking how to force it to stay ppc?
22:52 Uberi set your env vars system-wide, maybe
22:52 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Decoration, Ore: Resolve node names on Mapgen init 0b20768a24 2013-06-17T15:51:29-07:00 http://git.io/8Dzk-A
22:52 Uberi export something something
22:54 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest_game: Generate clay with register_ore() b0ab4fb4ab 2013-06-17T17:51:26-07:00 http://git.io/iLaQHQ
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23:00 Uberi whoa this new GitHub interface is awesome
23:00 khonkhortisan yes it is
23:00 Uberi voidlord, is that you?
23:04 khonkhortisan Is there a secret option I can set to make it remember my password?
23:04 Exio yes, hacking the code and implementing it in a secure way!
23:05 Exio (outside that, i guess doing that will be way easier with the luaformspec-menu)
23:05 khonkhortisan I don't care if it's secure, I just don't want to type it in :)
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23:18 MinetestBot GIT: EXio4 commited to minetest/minetest: Remove useless recalculation of bounding box (mapblock_mesh) 816ffa99ba 2013-06-17T16:11:46-07:00 http://git.io/YsGUuA
23:23 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix calculation of selected item (for not drawing it) in formspec c8ed61b281 2013-06-17T16:18:54-07:00 http://git.io/m9T7FQ
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23:34 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Formspec: Don't perform black magic if selected item fits the guess d74c377337 2013-06-17T16:32:11-07:00 http://git.io/KySkdA
23:46 khonkhortisan Not suprisingly, a menger _sponge_ is very good at catching item drops.
23:53 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Show number of objects in client environment in profiler (F6) 261f559339 2013-06-17T16:49:06-07:00 http://git.io/lojDAg

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