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00:16 PilzAdam bye
00:21 StarBlessed Holy crap!  That loads SO much faster!
00:22 StarBlessed About 2 minutes, vs the 10 it was taking.
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00:35 StarBlessed Hey guys, could I have a couple of volunteers?  I need a couple of people to test the server speed.
00:38 StarBlessed or not...
00:38 StarBlessed lol
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00:41 StarBlessed Anyone?
00:42 * VanessaE just discovered a new way to abuse her Homedecor mod:
00:42 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_557537121.png
00:42 VanessaE thanks to the screwdriver and 6dfacedir code :D
00:44 StarBlessed Nice.  :)
00:45 StarBlessed When you get a sec, could you just login and test the loading speed of my server VanessaE ?  Just when you're free.
00:45 VanessaE sure, stand by
00:45 StarBlessed Thank you :)
00:46 ]DMackey[ Hey Vanessa, http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Commodore-128-LED-Power-Control-CMD-RAMLink-SCPU-PCB-by-DAC-/130924297843
00:46 VanessaE dyep I know about it.
00:46 VanessaE -d
00:46 ]DMackey[ Lol Ok Just wanted to be sure. :)
00:47 ]DMackey[ Zap pointed it out.
00:47 ]DMackey[ :)
00:47 VanessaE he's got a license to produce all of that stuff now.
00:47 ]DMackey[ Thats cool, I'm really glad to hear that. You put a lot of work into that stuff.
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00:49 VanessaE StarBlessed: ok, what's the address/port?>
00:49 StarBlessed 74.91.22.26 default port 30000
00:49 StarBlessed I'd just like to know how much difference it makes to other players.
00:51 VanessaE connecting now..
00:51 StarBlessed Thanks :)
00:51 VanessaE media already downloading
00:51 VanessaE 23 seconds total.
00:51 StarBlessed Nice :)
00:51 VanessaE already in
00:51 StarBlessed w00t!
00:51 StarBlessed Beautiful!
00:51 VanessaE and that was with no cache (I deleted it beforehand)
00:51 VanessaE wish my server were that fast
00:52 StarBlessed Thats pretty good!
00:52 StarBlessed Yeah, but I only JUST implemented the remote_media directive in the conf
00:52 StarBlessed Before it took me almost 10 minutes with no mods :(
00:52 VanessaE you'll have to show me how you did that later
00:52 StarBlessed Sure :)  Be happy to.
00:53 StarBlessed Well...
00:53 StarBlessed To be honest, you can have this one if you want.
00:53 VanessaE you doing this in linux?
00:53 StarBlessed I was just testing.
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00:53 StarBlessed Yup.  Ubuntu 12.10 I think
00:53 VanessaE cool.
00:54 StarBlessed But yes, you're welcome to use this one if you want.  I dont want it, just testing the theory.  Its not like I dont have the server resources to cope with it.
00:54 VanessaE I run my server on my home PC, so that's not necessary :)
00:54 StarBlessed KK
00:55 VanessaE 35 seconds from zeroed cache to connect to my server (same computer that the client runs on)
00:55 StarBlessed Hehe!  Nice.
00:55 StarBlessed Yeah, I was doing that originally, but I prefer playing with others, ya know?
00:55 VanessaE others connect to my machine to play :)
00:56 VanessaE there are five of us on right now
00:57 StarBlessed True, but I just prefer to play on a good server where everyone has a decent connection.  See, running a server from home is fine, but its dependent on your home bandwidth.  Where a dedicated server also has dedicated bandwidth.  If you cant my drift.
00:57 VanessaE of cours.e
00:58 VanessaE where's your server hosted out of?
00:58 StarBlessed A Datacenter in Kansas.
00:58 VanessaE ah
00:58 VanessaE I was born and raised in that fehcockta state :)
00:58 StarBlessed Heh :)
00:59 StarBlessed BRB.  Gonna have a smoke and re-heat my coffee.
00:59 VanessaE k
01:07 VanessaE ]DMackey[: Y U NO play minetest on my server? :-)
01:13 khonkhortisan With a screwdriver, you can make an upside-down furnished house
01:14 khonkhortisan But we have yet to make a half node offset house, or one out of mini nodes
01:22 khonkhortisan I'm thinking about the two-wire crossover node (aka null cell) again. It could be done with multiple rule tables, but then on/off would be 00, 01, 10, 11 in the order the rules were given. And then it would get more complicated if anything was added to it (invert, noninvert cells from redpower2)
01:24 VanessaE please do add it if you can, it's needed
01:25 VanessaE anything they can do, we can do better (we can do anything better than they)
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02:01 StarBlessed Hehe.  Add a couple more mods, and it all grinds to a halt ;)
02:03 VanessaE which mods?
02:09 ShadowNinja Why is StarBlessed oped? Or is my client messed up again?
02:11 StarBlessed LOL!  Hey ShadowNinja .  Nah, I think PilzAdam was just playin.  frogcrush1 was here earlier spouting off (a little sexism), I said that if I were op'd he would been kicked before he could get out another line.  Next thing I know PilzAdam Op'd me.  LOL
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02:11 ShadowNinja LOL, neat.
02:12 StarBlessed Ummm...  I added floblock.  And Mobs.
02:12 StarBlessed The Framework mobs
02:12 StarBlessed Its ok, Ill kill em off one by one till I fure out which is causing it.
02:12 VanessaE floblock?  you mean floatlands?
02:13 StarBlessed Oh, yeah.  Thats it
02:14 StarBlessed Gah!  All this typing!  Im used to skype or Teamspeak...  or or...  Mumble!
02:15 StarBlessed There we go, it was floatlands.
02:16 StarBlessed Damn thats so much faster...
02:17 StarBlessed IRC is so 1990.  lol ;)
02:17 VanessaE as nice as it is, that one is guaranteed to slow you down massively
02:18 StarBlessed Yeah.  Oh well.  :(
02:18 StarBlessed I have cows!
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02:20 VanessaE *watches cow fly past the window*
02:20 VanessaE "Another cow."
02:21 khonkhortisan moooOOOooo
02:21 StarBlessed Oooops there goes another rubber tree plant ;)
02:21 VanessaE heh
02:27 BrandonReese StarBlessed, I think your server just encountered the vombie bug people have been reporting in the forum
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02:28 StarBlessed Yeah...  Just noticed it.
02:28 BrandonReese I got close to the vombie and it shutdown
02:28 StarBlessed 22:27:47: ERROR[main]: ServerEnvironment::deactivateFarObjects(): id=6 m_static_exists=true but static data doesn't actually exist in (0,0,-3)
02:28 StarBlessed WARNING: StaticObjectList::remove(): id=6 not found
02:29 StarBlessed one sec, Ill see what I can do.
02:30 StarBlessed Grrr... where's the mobf_blacklist...
02:31 VanessaE you just need to delete the folder for the mob you don't want.
02:31 BrandonReese I've heard of the supposed blacklist but I never could find it, I always deleted the folder
02:31 BrandonReese mobf_settings always seemed to crash my server
02:32 StarBlessed I just thought a blacklist would be cleaner.  Anyway, I deleted vombies.  thanks VanessaE
02:32 StarBlessed If I left it up, would you use it BrandonReese ?
02:33 BrandonReese Probably not cause I have my own. I know people who play on multiple server but I'm just not one of those people.
02:33 StarBlessed KK.
02:33 StarBlessed SMOKE!
02:34 BrandonReese but you seem to have good hardware and bandwidth to run it on
02:35 StarBlessed I hope so.  As I said, its just a test.
03:19 ch98 does anyone have an extra computer that i can borrow?
03:19 VanessaE sorry, no
03:19 * VanessaE pokes StarBlessed
03:27 ch98 I figured out that only way to play minetest on this computer is to use only the screen and use other computers cpu and memory
03:29 ch98 if anyone has one, contact me on pm in forum
03:30 VanessaE why such a weird setup?
03:30 VanessaE other than singleplayer necessarily being laggier than client+server
03:30 khonkhortisan I would like to make a lan supercomputer
03:30 StarBlessed Sorry.  Im here.  What did I mis VanessaE ?
03:30 StarBlessed miss
03:30 VanessaE khonkhortisan: got 10gE handy?
03:31 VanessaE StarBlessed: nothing much.  ch98 needs a new OS. :)
03:31 StarBlessed Linux.
03:31 VanessaE +1
03:31 StarBlessed khonkhortisan: http://www.zdnet.com/build-your-own-supercomputer-out-of-raspberry-pi-boards-7000015831/
03:32 VanessaE that's insane
03:32 VanessaE I like it :D
03:32 StarBlessed Hehe
03:32 kahrl anyone brave enough to see if the patch I posted in the forum fixes vombies?
03:32 StarBlessed sure 1 min
03:33 StarBlessed Link?
03:33 kahrl http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=93778#p93778
03:33 khonkhortisan So that's just the thinking part, condensed. No hardware drivers or anything
03:34 khonkhortisan If I wanted to get the most out of the cpus, I'd have my family use all the cpus during the day and I'd use them all at night
03:35 khonkhortisan eew
03:35 khonkhortisan nil check isn't enough?
03:36 kahrl khonkhortisan, it has to do with how deprecated.lua implements minetest.env
03:36 kahrl it passes the arguments forward to the real function with {...}
03:37 khonkhortisan so a missing table value isn't the same as nil?
03:37 kahrl now if the last argument is nil, the table that is created in that way will lose that entry
03:37 khonkhortisan oh
03:37 khonkhortisan table.delete == table.element = nil
03:37 kahrl it happens only at the end, since lua can't know if there should have been more indices
03:38 kahrl in theory anyway, didn't test it
03:40 StarBlessed Just making the change now.
03:42 kahrl found a couple ugly workarounds that could be placed in deprecated.lua: http://lua-users.org/wiki/VarargTheSecondClassCitizen
03:43 StarBlessed Which file am I modding?
03:43 kahrl StarBlessed: src/script/lua_api/l_env.cpp
03:45 StarBlessed Thats not part of the master branch is it.
03:45 kahrl it is
03:45 StarBlessed Location?
03:45 kahrl do you use a binary build?
03:46 StarBlessed Yup
03:46 kahrl ah, nevermind then
03:46 StarBlessed Oh, you want it compiled...
03:46 kahrl well it is a change to the C++ code
03:46 StarBlessed Sorry bro, I didnt even think about it.
03:47 StarBlessed VanessaE does Linux builds...  maybe she can help?
03:47 kahrl a purely lua solution should be to change minetest.env: to minetest.
03:47 kahrl but that would have to be done in every mod that calls find_path
03:48 StarBlessed kk
03:55 VanessaE I don't think kahrl needs my help with anything ;)
03:56 VanessaE (more often, it's the reverse)
03:56 VanessaE except for finding corner cases of course. I seem to excel at that :D
04:00 khonkhortisan I should just rotate the mesecon rules based on the screwdriver - then insulated mesecons would be vertical, and vertical caps would be 5-way intersections
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04:07 StarBlessed BRB
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04:15 * khonkhortisan goes off to give commonlib a facedir namespace
04:44 ch98 sorry for being away at random
04:45 ch98 Every time i get on, someone askes me for somthing
04:52 Exio what the fuck
04:52 ch98 what?
04:52 Exio even flash works better than the webm-player-in-firefox
04:53 ch98 then use flash
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04:56 ch98 VanessaE;Thank you for the tip but there is not many linux that is usable in ppc also, I like this mac just the way it is and all linux takes up too mouch space installing it at side of mac
04:56 VanessaE actually that was starblessed who said that :)
04:56 VanessaE I just said a better OS, as in your software is what's broke, not your hardware.
04:57 ch98 oh
04:57 VanessaE never blame on hardware that which can adequately be explained as a software issue
04:57 ch98 have you ever tryd mac os
04:58 VanessaE not in years, but when I last used it, it was nice and all, but so different from what I was used to and so limited was my time to use it, that I couldn't figure it out.
04:59 ch98 I was using mac from start so i am now feeling like it is best
05:00 VanessaE I've always used some variation of the desktop+taskbar+launcher motif (currently, XFCE 4.10)
05:00 Exio if mac was less closed, maybe i would like it
05:01 ch98 only if i had that extra $3,000 I could by new mac book pro
05:01 Exio or you can afford a 1000USD laptop with a more powerful cpu, an ssd and a same specs
05:01 Exio (or 1500, or even "worse if you get it expensive" 2000USD)
05:02 VanessaE I can't imagine spending more than ~$700 on a computer, $3000 is right out
05:03 ch98 Thing i like about mac is that if you pay more, it lasts more
05:03 VanessaE the same is true of most any commodity
05:03 ch98 starting price is high but it is worth it for how long it lasts
05:04 Exio VanessaE: this was my first over 3500ARS (660USD~) computer
05:04 ch98 I think this laptop can go another 5-6 years
05:04 Exio my laptop had 3 years of good and "heavy" use
05:04 Exio it was so good, now it is half dead; i killed it :(
05:05 ch98 myne is 9 year old one from my dad
05:05 ch98 only thing dead is batterys
05:08 Exio ch98: if you "care" about the stuff; it will last
05:09 Exio and don't buy prebuilt computers
05:09 ch98 why not? those are made to last because it was prebuilt
05:10 Exio uh?
05:10 Exio ch98: look at the price
05:10 Exio "cpu X, mobo Y, ram Z, final price = X*Y*Z"
05:10 Exio not +
05:11 Exio stuff is too damn overpriced
05:11 ch98 do you know how mouch those components cost?
05:11 ch98 do you know how long those last with "care"?
05:11 Exio (i'm exagerating, ofc (or w/e it is spelled))
05:12 Exio ch98: my desktop last(ed) 10 years and is still working
05:12 Exio i lie, 12
05:12 Exio 2001, not 2003
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05:13 ch98 but you are partialy right. don't buy pribuilt pc. some is broken from start
05:14 Exio i need to sleep anyway
05:14 Exio good night
05:14 ch98 good night
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05:37 ch98 so noone has unused computer with internet lying around?
05:38 VanessaE only spare I have is soon to be turned into a server
05:40 khonkhortisan What kind of mathematically-sound rotation should I convert facedir into?
05:41 khonkhortisan I'd like to rotate vectors and tiles with it
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05:56 ch98 so can i have it for few days to test if vnc over long distance works?
05:56 VanessaE khonkhortisan: I'm still learning it.
05:57 VanessaE ch98: it isn't even set up right now, still needs some hardware yet
05:57 ch98 oh ok
05:57 ch98 so how many computers do yo have?
05:57 khonkhortisan axis, angle isn't a good way to represent rotation. I want to convert it into something standard so I can mess with it and convert it back
05:58 VanessaE three - mine, my husband's, and that soon-to-be-server one, plus a couple of Commodore 8-bit machines, which I guess don't qualify for your query :)
06:01 ch98 does it have internet and does it run minetest and ubuntu?
06:01 VanessaE nope.
06:01 khonkhortisan doesnt' have to be ubuntu
06:01 ch98 too old of cpu?
06:02 khonkhortisan I'm going with yaw pitch roll
06:02 ch98 well 1MHz is what i got on wikipedia so no.
06:05 VanessaE I was joking about those last two :-)
06:05 VanessaE I know they don't qualify.
06:08 ch98 it has less computing power than kindle but maybe it will be useful somehow someday
06:08 VanessaE um, it's a computer from the 1980's.  ain't coming back into vogue any time soon.
06:09 VanessaE Now, if we were talking about a Raspberry Pi (700MHz ARM, 512MB RAM, various ancillary ports), that would be a different matter
06:09 * Menche has an old device that's hardwired to use a defunct company's internet service, so it's a brick now
06:10 Menche it died have an x86 processor and could be hacked to run a linux distro, but i'm not gonna bother
06:10 Menche s/died/did
06:11 ch98 raspberry pi with power internet and 30 minuts of you in front of screen setteig up will be good
06:11 ch98 setting it
06:11 ch98 good night
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06:16 khonkhortisan or maybe versors
06:58 sfan5 hello
06:59 khonkhortisan hello. commonlib needs some rotational geometry functions
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07:37 VanessaE zzz
07:42 khonkhortisan dofile('zzz/init.lua')
07:42 khonkhortisan must be run after all other mods
07:42 VanessaE heh
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08:06 VanessaE bbl
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08:40 Frogphone Jeez, you sure can't fap to this
08:41 Frogphone Start talking, y'all
08:42 Frogphone Just so you all know, you can watch porn on military internet
08:43 khonkhortisan you joined at a bad time, the channel's pretty dead right now
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08:48 Frogphone Where is everyone??
08:48 khonkhortisan sleeping, it's 1:48 am where I am
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08:55 Frogphone Same here, in Canadia
08:59 StarBlessed Some of us are still here
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09:00 khonkhortisan your internet provider gives it away
09:04 Frogphone I know
09:04 Frogphone Some people are too silly to look at that
09:05 Frogphone Like the dude sleeping next to me
09:05 Frogphone If that sounds gay, I should say I'm sleeping in an armory with cadets
09:05 StarBlessed Coz thats less gay.
09:06 * StarBlessed evil grins
09:06 Frogphone Totally
09:07 StarBlessed Finally got my server to login in under 2 minutes :)  Im a happy camper right now
09:07 Frogphone It was five before?
09:07 StarBlessed Almost 10 with all the mods
09:08 Frogphone Congratz
09:08 StarBlessed There's a directive in the conf file I didnt know about.  So I've been toying with it.
09:08 StarBlessed Its made a huge difference
09:09 StarBlessed the progress bar actually moves now :)
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09:17 StarBlessed Hmmmm...  Unknown objects...
09:17 StarBlessed Hey, welcome back Calinou
09:17 StarBlessed Yes, Im still breaking my server
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09:34 Calinou hi
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10:27 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:28 Calinou hi
10:29 PilzAdam and, how is MiniTest? :-)
10:30 Calinou better now
10:31 Calinou maybe make gravity a tiny bit higher? dunno
10:31 Calinou and increase jump height a tiny bit to compensate
10:32 Issa waou wwaou
10:32 Issa 0.4.7
10:32 Issa exelent
10:32 Issa no mod working :/
10:32 Issa no tnt no animals monsters :'(
10:32 Issa why ?
10:33 PilzAdam because you cant read: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6066
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10:36 Calinou enable mods yourself like PilzAdam said
10:37 arsdragonfly !up servers3.inrrr.com 30000
10:37 MinetestBot servers3.inrrr.com:30000 seems to be down
10:41 PilzAdam Calinou, https://github.com/PilzAdam/MiniTest/commit/588b6cd07bc69d484e7559c5b63bbbc24d0bab2d
10:42 Calinou i'll try
10:42 Calinou slightly less air acceleration would be good too
10:43 Calinou the new gravity is nice, +1
10:46 PilzAdam what about the rest of MiniTest? It aims to be like the early beta of MC, before hunger was added
10:46 Calinou why the early beta and not the latest version?
10:46 Calinou also, I noticed, there's no drowning
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11:14 harrison http://youtu.be/CmvmsMyLiS0
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11:28 aldobr hi
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12:13 Zeg9 Hi
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12:41 rubenwardy Hi All
12:42 Zeg9 Hello rubenwardy
12:42 rubenwardy Building installer now
12:43 Zeg9 did you add my images ? 8)
12:46 rubenwardy yeah
12:54 rubenwardy uploaded: http://ubuntuone.com/5gMCVgfTHAlzuLP9sTbl9C
13:03 rubenwardy I love this: http://www.xkcd.com/323/
13:05 Exio haha
13:05 Exio this is like the 1337 time i "see/read" that
13:05 Exio and the 1337 i laugh about it :P
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13:07 Zeg9 Exio, did you really need to say about 1337 *before* I read the comic ? -.-
13:08 Exio i use 133 for all the stuff
13:08 Exio +7
13:10 PilzAdam *10+7
13:10 PilzAdam otherwise its 140
13:11 Exio +1204
13:13 rubenwardy http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell
13:15 rubenwardy http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling
13:20 PilzAdam the last one is actually useful
13:22 PilzAdam *the second link
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13:24 rubenwardy yeah
13:25 Exio http://theoatmeal.com/comics/computers
13:25 Exio so true
13:29 rubenwardy yeah
13:30 PilzAdam my grandma wants to buy a new laptop, but they all have win 8 preinstalled, so I have to install 7 for her...
13:32 rubenwardy yess
13:32 rubenwardy finally yes!
13:36 Exio PilzAdam: the "I still lots of crap in this old computer and this doesn't work fast, what to do" happens to me every time i visit my cousin's home. :<
13:36 Exio "I just installed Ares and downloaded somecrapmusic.exe, and ran it! now this doesn't work!"
13:37 Exio (music and .exe, yes)
13:37 Zeg9 It happens that markveidemanis is actually asking me that sortof stuff atm...
13:38 Zeg9 <markveidemanis> I am backing up everything...if lubuntu crashes and i uninstall it, will it touch the other files i have?
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13:48 mito551 hello everyone
13:48 mito551 don't want to waste your time
13:48 mito551 or bother you
13:49 mito551 i just want to know if there's the way to access the forum for me (who is banned, if somebody isn't aware)
13:50 mito551 it's just becoming a pain in the ass to download mods through my phone
13:50 mito551 anyone?
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13:54 Zeg9 Why the heck did you blank your posts...
13:54 mito551 i just want to know if there's the way to access the forum for me (who is banned, if somebody isn't aware)
13:54 mito551 because
13:54 Zeg9 maybe use a proxy?
13:54 mito551 i tried masking my ip
13:54 mito551 didn't work
13:55 Zeg9 Clear your cookies
13:56 mito551 did that too
13:57 mito551 i couldn't stand ignorance of pilz
13:58 mito551 and refusal to accept that PR isn't their thing
13:58 mito551 and, most importantly, inability to listen. not only to me.
13:59 mito551 now i just want the access so i can browse new mods which awesome community makes
14:00 Zeg9 PilzAdam: how is one supposed to get seeds from farming_plus now?
14:00 PilzAdam there is no way currently
14:00 * Zeg9 should read forum topic before asking
14:00 Zeg9 Maybe spawn already grown plants directly on grass
14:02 rubenwardy mito551: http://hidemyass.com
14:03 * rubenwardy is making a scene in blender
14:03 mito551 rubenwardy thank you. trying that one out now
14:05 rubenwardy|away thought I deleted the nick change script...
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14:38 MarkTwain Hello everyone!
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14:38 Frogphone Hi
14:39 MarkTwain Is there anyone who would help me to build a spawn for the MarkTwain server?
14:39 MarkTwain I am looking for cooperative gameplay
14:40 MarkTwain like the money mod, interactions between players as closer to reality
14:40 MarkTwain but abilities far from it
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14:47 MarkTwain just finished converting it to htlm: http://pastie.org/8023277
14:47 harrison minetest money should be btc
14:48 Zeg9 I was wondering who was marktwain, now I know -.-
14:50 MarkTwain not me surely
14:50 Calinou harrison: it should be ptc
14:50 Exio mlc
14:50 Exio My Little Coin
14:51 MarkTwain Zeg9: you saw me change nick, right?
14:51 Calinou \o/
14:51 Calinou Exio: mining is magic
14:51 Exio lol
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14:52 Calinou feat. AMDash, of course
14:53 Exio no u
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15:05 sokomine hm. what's the trouble with value:gmatch( pattern )  if value is a string? why does lua produce the error message  attempt to index local `value' (a string value)
15:07 rubenwardy try
15:07 rubenwardy string.gmatch(pattern,string)
15:08 rubenwardy string.gmatch(pattern,value)
15:08 rubenwardy notice .
15:08 sokomine that's to my knowledge only another way of writing it...it doesn't seem to change much
15:09 sokomine even a simple  for word in string.gmatch(value, "%a+") do print(word) end    fails
15:10 Exio sokomine: "string.gmatch(pattern, value)" != "string.gmatch(value, pattern)"
15:10 sokomine hmm. or do i have to load something manually if calling lua from the command line and not from mt?
15:10 Exio Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 31.0C mobo: 30.0C gpu: 36C
15:10 Exio oops
15:10 Exio fail
15:10 sokomine no, it's a good temperature :)
15:11 sokomine but what's the difference in case of the pattern matching for a string?
15:12 sokomine but...you're right. the above example gives me "attempt to call field `gmatch' (a nil value)" - are the string libraries and gmatch not part of the language and have to be included?
15:12 * sokomine looks puzzled
15:16 sokomine no one got a clue?
15:17 Frogphone (tumbleweed)
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15:25 sokomine ok. got the solution in the lua channel: my version of standalone lua is too old. gmatch was called gfind in that older version
15:28 Exio 5.0?
15:28 Exio ;P
15:30 sokomine 5.0.3, yes
15:30 sokomine maybe i ought to have checked/tested it on the new machine i'm setting up...that has newer lua
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15:33 mito551 background for menu can't be animated gif, can it?
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15:50 * rubenwardy just found out how to do UV in blender, finally
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16:23 VanessaE hi all
16:26 NakedFury hi
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16:39 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/f/XBAG61e51
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16:44 OldCoder NEWS: I updated my hardware last night. Forgot to restart my worlds afterward. I was pretty tired; those who read the blog know why. Sorry. But I've backed up and restarted. And I look forward to making improvements this year.
16:45 OldCoder People are invited to return to the worlds and have fun
16:45 OldCoder The hardware is getting better BTW. clearobjects will still hose things but CPU seems to be good.
16:46 OldCoder VanessaE, NakedFury, Kacey, sokomine, thexyz and others ^ your work won't be wasted
16:48 VanessaE OldCoder: actually the world you have on your server for me can be discontinued, as my own server has changed greatly over the past few months
16:49 VanessaE (I still have the old world files from back then, which I occasionally pull stuff from to add to the current server if I notice something';s missing.
16:49 VanessaE -;
16:49 OldCoder VanessaE, all right... I'd like to update
16:49 OldCoder NEWS: Taking worlds down briefly for a fix
16:49 VanessaE you'll need to run 0.4.7 to use my current world
16:50 OldCoder I will update when LevelDB is ready
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16:51 VanessaE hmmmm has indicated a renewed need to get LevelDB into place very soon
16:55 sokomine oldcoder: hi. fine that your worlds are up
16:56 OldCoder Well, down again for a few minutes :-)
16:56 OldCoder But I am keeping them going
16:56 sokomine perhaps it would be a good idea to combine some worlds so that they get more players. and to announce those larger ones in the list
16:56 OldCoder And will update
16:56 sokomine :-)
16:56 OldCoder sokomine, That is an old debate
16:56 sokomine yes, i know
16:56 OldCoder Issue is...
16:56 OldCoder I do not wish to lose buildings
16:56 OldCoder And mapedit doesn't work
16:56 sokomine that's right. loosing buildings would be bad
16:57 OldCoder Unless it has been fixed in the past few months
16:57 OldCoder If people will help me to merge, I will do so
16:57 sokomine you're right...we need to get a better way to merge worlds first. a method on database level
16:57 OldCoder yes
16:58 sokomine taking one chunk from one database and putting it into another under another index ought to work - still, which chunks need copying, which can be discarded, and how to repmap indices would be work
17:00 VanessaE <offtopic> anyone interested in me adding a "mossy stone" block (counterpart to mossy cobble and mossy stone brick)?
17:00 VanessaE </offtopic>
17:00 OldCoder That is not off topic at all
17:00 VanessaE it is when the topic is LevelDB :D
17:01 Calinou +1 for moss stone
17:01 sfan5 +1
17:01 Calinou fun fact: in minecraft, the block that looks like mossy cobblestone is called... "Moss Stone"
17:02 thexyz we need python bindings for map.sqlite
17:02 sfan5 !up sfan5.minetest.net 30001
17:02 MinetestBot sfan5.minetest.net:30001 is up (306ms)
17:02 NakedFury I will vote yes vanessa
17:02 VanessaE Ok, I'll add a mossy stone block to gloopblocks.
17:02 VanessaE (since I took that mod over, I've been using it as a sort of "random blocks" collection, stuff that doesn't seem to fit in anywhere else)
17:04 sokomine i usually like new blocks to build with. i'm a bit uncomftable with the replaced textures in the new version of mt game - they will change the appearance of existing buildings. adding completely new blocks is unproblematic and makes the game more fun
17:04 thexyz map1 = Map("first.sqlite"), map2 = Map("second.sqlite")\n map1[0:10, 0:10, 0:10] = map2[100:110, 100:110, 100:110]\n map1.save("output.sqlite")
17:07 sokomine thexyz: that's basicly it, yes. trouble is that you have to identify the chunks that are worth copying. landscape no one's built in does not have to be transferred. and people might be inconsiderate and have built far from spawn...where the mere existence of their building smight have been forgotten
17:07 sfan5 thexyz: I'm not really sure but I think the [..., ..., ...] thing will not work in python
17:07 sokomine maybe creating those 2d maps for the worlds could help to find places where people actually built
17:08 thexyz sfan5: http://ilan.schnell-web.net/prog/slicing/
17:08 sokomine hm, is that anything but pseudocode? i don't know much python
17:08 thexyz sokomine: it should only read chunks when user asks it to write the result
17:08 sfan5 thexyz: I know slicing, but I didn't know that you could do multiple slices
17:09 thexyz sfan5: that's why I linked this article to you
17:09 sfan5 yeah
17:09 thexyz I've never worked with those kind of slices myself
17:11 ShadowNinja [1:2][3:4][5:6]
17:11 thexyz ShadowNinja: no
17:12 ShadowNinja Hmmm? I have used that.
17:13 sfan5 [1:2, 3:4, 5:6]
17:13 ShadowNinja Not that.
17:13 thexyz ShadowNinja: with custom classes?
17:13 ShadowNinja Nope.
17:14 thexyz I guess only 1:2 will be passed to __getitem__ in that case
17:14 thexyz which is not exactly what we need
17:14 ShadowNinja I suppose python has some form of operator overloading?
17:14 ShadowNinja Used that.
17:14 thexyz well, no one is going to implement this anyway
17:15 ShadowNinja And not in python. That would be too slow.
17:16 thexyz it will be as slow as sqlite backend is
17:16 VanessaE sokomine's idea of using a 2d overview map has merit it would certainly make it easy to see which records need to be copied.
17:16 thexyz (if you make it properly, of course)
17:16 VanessaE (assuming the map is so marked)
17:17 VanessaE hm, missed a sentence break there.  grammar fail.
17:17 thexyz it'll be fun to make though
17:19 rubenwardy isnt mossy cobble in moreblocks?
17:21 Exio did you mean default
17:21 thexyz I can't think of easy method to implement it though
17:21 thexyz but lazy 3d segment tree with group operations should work..
17:22 thexyz which is overkill anyway
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17:28 AlphaXero so I found out about minetest, and I am kinda curious, how active is the community? IS it worth using as opposed to Minecraft?
17:29 sfan5 well..
17:29 AlphaXero well what?
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17:30 sfan5 AlphaXero: there are a lot of active users and modders
17:30 AlphaXero really?
17:30 AlphaXero I noticed that hte forums seems pretty active
17:30 AlphaXero although the subreddit has nil
17:31 sfan5 yeah the subreddit...
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17:31 Calinou minetest subreddit: less active than minecraft
17:32 Calinou (since 2010)
17:32 AlphaXero are there any active servers?
17:32 AlphaXero preferably somthing with the tekkit-esque mods installed?
17:33 sfan5 ..
17:33 sfan5 !server technic
17:33 MinetestBot sfan5: Animals. Technic | 217.112.36.179 | Clients: 0/16 | Version: 0.4.7 minetest | ping: 0.154
17:33 sfan5 ^ that one
17:33 sfan5 !server technic players:most
17:33 MinetestBot sfan5: Ray's server | 173.195.255.46 | Clients: 18/25 | Version: 0.4.7-7734717 minetest | ping: 0.208
17:33 sfan5 MinetestBot: wat?
17:34 Calinou 18 clients O_o
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17:35 arsdragonfly ah it's 1:35 here already
17:35 arsdragonfly last night with homework in grade 9 :-P
17:36 AlphaXero well, i may check out Ray's server sometime then
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17:38 VanessaE bbl
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17:44 MarkTwain I am looking for a mod...
17:44 MarkTwain That encourages cooperation within minetest
17:44 codedevil VanessaE: actually, why you removed my interact privilages when I built lava fountain in MY SPOT? that's not griefing
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17:49 harrison what was the name of beethoven's favorite dog?
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17:52 svuorela ...what can one do with obsidian that justifies it being so hard to mine? :)
17:53 Calinou fff
17:53 Morrolan svuorela: Build a treasure room with multiple layers of obsidian, put some worthless item inside, then watch the face of those people who, after hours of work, manage to break in?
17:54 harrison that reminds me of my first girlfriend
17:55 Morrolan Now that story sounds interesting.
17:55 harrison what was the name of beethoven's favorite dog?
17:56 * Calinou just got banned from a minecraft serve
17:56 Calinou le candy box face
17:56 Calinou the november 2011 is back
17:56 harrison furry lisa
17:56 Calinou that's you
17:57 rubenwardy in Minecraft you can build a portal
17:59 sfan5 !server technic random
17:59 MinetestBot sfan5: Ray's server | 173.195.255.46 | Clients: 20/25 | Version: 0.4.7-7734717 minetest | ping: 0.221
17:59 sfan5 !server technic random
17:59 MinetestBot sfan5: Ray's server | 173.195.255.46 | Clients: 20/25 | Version: 0.4.7-7734717 minetest | ping: 0.221
17:59 sfan5 !server technic random
17:59 sfan5 was kicked by ShadowBot: Repetition flood detected.
17:59 MinetestBot sfan5: Ray's server | 173.195.255.46 | Clients: 20/25 | Version: 0.4.7-7734717 minetest | ping: 0.221
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17:59 sfan5 ShadowBot: WHAT THE FUCK
17:59 Exio lol
17:59 sfan5 !deop ShadowBot
18:00 sfan5 !server technic random
18:00 MinetestBot sfan5: Ray's server | 173.195.255.46 | Clients: 20/25 | Version: 0.4.7-7734717 minetest | ping: 0.221
18:00 sfan5 !server technic random
18:00 MinetestBot sfan5: Ray's server | 173.195.255.46 | Clients: 20/25 | Version: 0.4.7-7734717 minetest | ping: 0.221
18:00 sfan5 I don't get this logiv
18:00 sfan5 *logic
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18:01 AlphaXero so, i decided to try minetest, I dled some mods, and now im getting: "ModError: Faile dto load and run C:\...\\mods\minetest\init.lua"
18:01 thexyz sfan5: hey, why did you deop it?
18:01 thexyz !op ShadowBot
18:01 sfan5 thexyz: it kicked me
18:01 sfan5 AlphaXero: paste the complete output
18:01 thexyz sfan5: yes, because you were flooding the chat with some shit
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18:03 AlphaXero what is the complete output?
18:03 rubenwardy no need sfan5
18:03 Exio AlphaXero: don't use \mods\minetest\stuff
18:03 AlphaXero you mean from the little minetest console window?
18:03 Exio setup the mods directly in the \mods\ directory
18:03 rubenwardy AlphaXero: move stuff in mods/minetest to mods/
18:03 rubenwardy and then delete mods/minetest
18:04 AlphaXero same problem
18:05 AlphaXero 14:00:03: ERROR[main]: Server: Failed to load and run C:\_files\applications\gam
18:05 AlphaXero es\Minetest\bin\..\mods\minetest\init.lua
18:05 AlphaXero 14:00:04: ERROR[main]: ModError: Failed to load and run C:\_files\applications\g
18:05 AlphaXero ames\Minetest\bin\..\mods\minetest\init.lua
18:05 AlphaXero Could not open file of texture:
18:05 AlphaXero was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like ix.io or pastebin.ubuntu.com.
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18:06 AlphaXero well, it didnt like that
18:06 AlphaXero i guess ill use pastebin
18:06 sfan5 Delete mods/minetest
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18:06 AlphaXero already did
18:06 sfan5 try again
18:06 AlphaXero http://pastebin.com/LDPhXBSe
18:07 webdesigner97 lol, a mod can crash minetest with just one line of code (without getting an error poiting to this mod): minetest = nil
18:07 sfan5 AlphaXero: """ 14:06:15: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "PilzAdam-carts-70cc4f4": modname does """
18:07 Exio a mod can actually remove minetest itself
18:07 AlphaXero it is currently gailing to run pilzadam-carts init.lua
18:07 sfan5 rename PilzAdam-carts-70cc4f4 to carts
18:08 webdesigner97 this should be safer, i think :)
18:08 sfan5 also:
18:08 sfan5 14:06:15: ERROR[main]: mod "technic" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "pipeworks"
18:08 sfan5 14:06:15: ERROR[main]: mod "technic_chests" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "pipe
18:08 sfan5 works"
18:08 sfan5 was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like ix.io or pastebin.ubuntu.com.
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18:08 AlphaXero same thing, but with ipeworks
18:08 AlphaXero *pipeworks
18:08 sfan5 ShadowBot: thats only 4 lines
18:08 sfan5 AlphaXero: install pipeworks
18:08 AlphaXero no, the problem is that it wont install pipeworks
18:08 AlphaXero thats the error
18:08 sfan5 ..
18:08 sfan5 is the pipeworks mod folder named "pipeworks"
18:08 sfan5 ?
18:09 AlphaXero no
18:09 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload server
18:09 MinetestBot sfan5: <module 'server' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py'> (version: 2013-06-08 18:08:15)
18:09 AlphaXero its named pipeworks-master
18:09 sfan5 rename it to "pipeworks"
18:09 sfan5 You need to read the installation instructions in the mod topics
18:10 AlphaXero fixed it by renaming everything to names w/o special characters
18:10 AlphaXero well, im assuming its fixed, its still loading 'Media'
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18:10 sfan5 AlphaXero: if it says "Media..." everything is fine
18:11 AlphaXero woo
18:11 AlphaXero works fine now
18:12 AlphaXero wow, the textures are really bad... maybe I should get a texture pack
18:12 * Calinou points to misa/MCE
18:16 AlphaXero is there some reason that cables dont connect to generators, batboxes, and so on
18:16 MarkTwain connect to the bottom
18:17 MarkTwain place the wire first thouhg
18:17 MarkTwain *Though
18:17 AlphaXero ohhhhh
18:17 AlphaXero and apparantly LV devices ONLY connect to LV cable
18:17 MarkTwain lol
18:17 MarkTwain Of course they do!
18:17 AlphaXero keep in mind that im coming from tekkit
18:18 MarkTwain ah, k
18:18 MarkTwain Ive played that a bit
18:18 MarkTwain Need any more help?
18:18 MarkTwain Singleplayer or server?
18:18 AlphaXero im playing SP in minetest atm
18:18 AlphaXero well, i play bigdig (almost tekkit) in SP as well
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18:20 AlphaXero why does it say that my grinder and furnace are inactive?
18:20 rubenwardy because there is not any thing in them
18:20 AlphaXero oh, they arent conneccting to the cables
18:21 MarkTwain What mods are you using?
18:21 AlphaXero no
18:21 AlphaXero they have things
18:21 AlphaXero and they are connected
18:21 AlphaXero technic
18:21 AlphaXero also more ores
18:21 AlphaXero but im just using iron ore
18:30 mito551 hey
18:31 mito551 hello everyone i haven't yet said hello to
18:31 MarkTwain Hello
18:33 rubenwardy Lol
18:33 rubenwardy Blender render VS Irrlicht render
18:33 rubenwardy <_zerochen
18:33 rubenwardy http://ubuntuone.com/678CSio3HYWwJwScxpoPIB
18:34 MarkTwain i like the irrlicht one better idk about you :)
18:34 khonkhortisan different camera angle and lighting
18:35 rubenwardy exact same map. exact same camera position
18:35 rubenwardy except from the box on the roof testing shadows
18:36 mito551 is vanessae here?
18:36 mito551 or some other mod?
18:38 rubenwardy userlist, fool!
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18:45 mito551 no, i mean
18:45 mito551 they can be on the list
18:46 mito551 but afk
18:46 rubenwardy yeah
18:47 mito551 that's why I ask
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18:54 mito551 Calinou?
18:55 Calinou hi
18:55 mito551 hi
18:55 * Calinou high fives milleja46
18:55 Calinou s/milleja46/mito551
18:55 Calinou ban master race
18:55 mito551 excuse me?
18:56 Calinou :P
18:57 mito551 you are the mod, aren't you?
18:57 mito551 i mean moderator
18:57 Calinou yes
18:57 Calinou "the"? there is more than one
18:57 mito551 well, yes
18:57 mito551 reagrdless
18:58 mito551 i was wondering if you could unban me?
18:58 mito551 (oh my god i actually said it)
18:58 Calinou did you request to be banned?
18:58 mito551 or if this is possible at all
18:58 Ipos Minetest 0.4.7 now in Arch Linux community packages, good.
18:58 Calinou Ipos, old news :P
18:59 Calinou well, you still mass-blanked your post
18:59 Calinou +s
18:59 mito551 ...and if i'm unbanned i can restore them
19:00 mito551 i have all the backups, however ridicculous that is
19:00 Calinou will you? then ok
19:00 mito551 oh you will?
19:00 Calinou yes
19:00 mito551 thank you
19:01 Calinou done
19:01 mito551 ok, now i have to find all the texts
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19:03 mito551 found 'em. wonder what will other mods will think/say/do about it :P
19:04 VanessaE codedevil: because in doing so, you killed the server, causing it to crash repeatedly, which denies access to others including myself, enough so that I had to comment-out the node defs for lava and water so I could worldedit the fountain out.  THAT is also griefing.
19:05 sokomine ah, that's fine :-) hope more people manage to come back to the forum
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19:05 proller VanessaE, Fini...
19:05 proller 8)
19:05 VanessaE mito551: I am here, yes
19:06 VanessaE (now)
19:06 mito551 well
19:06 mito551 it's a bit irrelevant now
19:06 Calinou proller, buuut brain damaged people cannot place liquids
19:06 Calinou amirite
19:06 mito551 glad your flowers are in the upstream now
19:06 VanessaE thanks
19:07 VanessaE one less mod for me to have to manage :)
19:07 proller Calinou, on some servers - yes
19:08 mito551 oh well. and a bit less ridicoulous way to get colours than in mc
19:08 VanessaE mito551: still ridiculous.  imho you should need a mortar & pestle to extract the colors from the flowers.
19:08 VanessaE (PilzAdam and I went round and round over this)
19:10 mito551 maybe you could do some kind of "furnace-like" tool
19:10 mito551 for all kinds of operations
19:10 VanessaE doesn't matter, it won't ever make it in
19:11 mito551 well, i mean
19:11 mito551 going more global
19:11 mito551 make a universal tool
19:11 VanessaE PilzAdam prefers simplistic crafting.  says more complex paths/recipes are part of MC's problems
19:11 mito551 lol
19:11 mito551 looking at his bread recipe.... yeah, he does.
19:12 sokomine the old unifieddyes with the bottles and dye base was nice. i had a whole chest dedicated to that in my first real singleplayer game. and another one to farming. not that it was necessary in any way - it was just nice to have
19:12 mito551 but you/we have to keep it simple
19:13 Calinou VanessaE, yeah, that's also why I wouldn't like to see 150 stuffs to craft items
19:13 Calinou let's not recreate Xorg in minetest
19:13 VanessaE simple is fine, until you get stupid recipes due to it being *too* simple
19:13 Calinou else AMD GPU owners will have to wait for Xmortar&pestle updates to use one :3
19:13 sokomine not? oh. hm
19:13 milleja46 Calinou: XD
19:14 sokomine ah yes. that "cactus cooked gives blue" won the price for now. it may actually work rl...hard to tell what some fluids turn into when cooked
19:14 Calinou milleja46, I recently read a X/wayland comparison, that's why I said that :P
19:15 Calinou sokomine, smelt an intel CPU, gives blue dye, smelt an AMD CPU, gives red dye
19:15 Calinou :P
19:16 sokomine calinou: logical :)
19:16 VanessaE shouldn't AMD give green dye? ;)
19:17 VanessaE (ignoring any Matrix references for the moment)
19:17 Calinou their CPUs also use red-ish colors for packaging/marketing
19:17 Calinou both the FX and the APUs
19:17 Calinou green would be ARM, or nvidia :P
19:17 sokomine and which cpu would give yellow? maybe old via cpus? or cyrix?
19:18 Calinou intel CPUs since ivy bridge?
19:18 Calinou since they use some kind of paste instead of actual joints
19:18 sokomine hm, no, mine came packaged in a blueish box. perhaps the more expensive ones get packaged in yellow boxes...
19:19 Calinou all intel CPUs are in blu-ish boxes
19:19 Calinou but I'm making a reference to the recent CPUs which run hotter due to the problem I mentioned above :P
19:19 Calinou and haswell is even worse since it also has builtin voltage regulation :P
19:19 Calinou 10°C hotter than sandy bridge at same freq :P
19:19 Calinou ...while it has a lower TDP
19:20 sokomine ah, ok
19:20 mito551 milleja46
19:20 mito551 why were you banned?
19:21 sokomine i'm quite happy with the new cheap celeron i bought. just have to make the final switch to that machine. used it to update the system as well and installed from scratch. some programs still need a bit tuning
19:22 Calinou celerons are usually better than the A4s, except if you want to do virtualization
19:22 Calinou celerons are quite featureless, sadly
19:22 Calinou this is what you get when you have intel with 80% market share
19:23 sokomine it annoys me that aes-ni is turned off
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19:24 KiakRz VanessaE, uthere?
19:24 sokomine for what i wanted - a quitet, low-power consuming system - with integrated graphics that run fine on linux - the celeron was the better choice. should it prove too slow it could still be upgraded...but then i'd perhaps need a system fan, a special cpu fan and so on....
19:24 VanessaE yeah
19:24 KiakRz Good news...
19:24 VanessaE what?
19:24 KiakRz I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 :)
19:24 VanessaE cool.
19:25 KiakRz Installed by a pendrive given by my brother
19:25 KiakRz Now, how I install Xubuntu or Kubuntu?
19:25 VanessaE sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
19:25 VanessaE from a terminal.
19:25 KiakRz wait
19:25 OldCoder KiakRz, it's been a while
19:25 KiakRz Yea OldCoder
19:25 KiakRz where have you been?
19:25 milleja46 mito551: don't know, shouldn't of been >_>
19:26 KiakRz Oh, my name is bad written
19:26 mito551 oh
19:26 VanessaE KiakRz:  that's all you have to do is that one command
19:26 mito551 that's too bad, man
19:26 mito551 i even haven't see you on the forums, actually
19:26 KikaRz VanessaE, Updates to do.
19:26 OldCoder KikaRz, Right here but sort of fighting for my life. Does anybody know iujui who is trying to interact on Zegaton?
19:26 VanessaE what's your forum name?
19:26 VanessaE milleja46: ^^^
19:27 Calinou he isn't banned
19:27 VanessaE yeah, I show the same, no ban here.
19:27 milleja46 mito551: I've just been busy :P
19:27 mito551 oh ok
19:27 mito551 okay
19:28 mito551 when have you joined the minetest community?
19:28 milleja46 with school, and the painful job searching >_>
19:28 VanessaE he joined the forums in May of last year.
19:28 Exio [16:17:11] <Calinou> green would be ARM, or nvidia :P
19:28 Exio amd arm cpus?
19:30 KikaRz damn updates.
19:31 * milleja46 just seriously doesn't understand why the job finding process in the us has to be so freaking hard o_o
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19:32 VanessaE milleja46: greed.
19:33 milleja46 VanessaE: funny thing is I had a job, but my boss had no business sense and how to train employees so he fired me because I wasn't a fit for the company o_o
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19:42 mito551 milleja46 can't you freelance?
19:43 milleja46 mito551: I wish, I'm not fully skilled enough in web development and I barely have any knowledge in app development even though I've tried teaching myself >_> i keep getting distracted so easily while trying to learn...
19:44 milleja46 (plus I'm trying to focus on getting in shape before the end of this year)
19:44 mito551 good luck
19:45 mito551 that's all i've got to say
19:45 milleja46 VanessaE: do you ever have the problem of going up to a place or calling up to it and them telling you the hiring person isn't there and to call back at such and such time, and you call or come back and they still aren't there?
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19:46 VanessaE I used to have such problems yes.
19:47 milleja46 well that's my exact problems right now I'm still trying to land a solid "stable" job so I can get somewhere better XD I haven't had a true "stable" job yet...worked for UPS during the holiday season, then had that crappy boss >_>
19:49 milleja46 With my internship in high school and these last 2 jobs I've had 3 total and not one has lasted >_>
19:50 Issa Hello
19:51 Issa well i m using minetest 0.4.7 and mod not working
19:51 VanessaE did you put them in the right folder?  Did you enable them in the world's Configuration screen?
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19:52 Issa exemple with Tnt mod i have  installer like this --> http://imageshack.us/f/15/dossiertnt.jpg/ and i have this error --> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/46/tntmod.jpg/
19:52 Issa what do u think please
19:52 Issa ??
19:53 VanessaE TNT is wrong
19:53 VanessaE it needs to be 'tnt'
19:53 VanessaE lowercase.
19:53 Issa why ,
19:53 VanessaE mods are required to be all lowercase letters
19:53 Issa ?
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19:53 VanessaE just rename the folder.
19:53 Issa a yes is better
19:53 Issa sorry
19:53 Issa :=
19:53 Issa :)
19:53 Issa sfan5, is here ?
19:54 sfan5 yes
19:54 Issa i m using u r 0.7.5 release
19:54 Issa and the problem i don't have the sphax texture
19:54 Issa i need to install it or is default installed ?
19:57 sfan5 no, the sphax texture pack was only included in the rba build
19:57 sfan5 also: s/0.7.5/0.4.7/
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20:09 KikaRz OFF TOPIC@ can you teach me? and tell me what theme?
20:09 KikaRz OFF TOPIC@ I'd love that *w*
20:09 Calinou one does not simply
20:09 Calinou dislike greybird
20:09 Calinou it's the only decent xfce theme IMO :P
20:10 Calinou along with whatever debian uses by default now, but I didn't find it in ubuntu repos
20:10 VanessaE it's a purple version of the "Keramic" theme
20:10 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/extra/XFCE4-Keramik-Purple.tar.bz2
20:11 KikaRz screenshots?
20:11 VanessaE you just:  cd /usr/share/themes;  sudo tar jxvf ^^--that_file--^^
20:11 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2001012013%20-%2011:30:18%20PM.png
20:12 VanessaE look at the top of the screenshot.  Ignore the rest.
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20:12 Calinou ceiling Calinou is watching you read slashdot
20:13 VanessaE obviously that screenshot is ancient. :)
20:13 VanessaE KikaRz: after you extract it to /usr/share/themes, log out and back in to make it available.
20:13 VanessaE (no need to reboot)
20:14 KikaRz :s
20:14 KikaRz soz, my sweetie, but I don't like much
20:14 * VanessaE shrugs
20:14 * Calinou dead shrubs
20:14 khonkhortisan http://www.kevs3d.co.uk/dev/lsystems/
20:16 PilzAdam uh, oh, mito551 is unbanned
20:17 * PilzAdam hopes people will move their suggestions to him instead of wanting them in minetest_game
20:17 mito551 yes, thank you.
20:17 Issa VanessaE, can u have link with all mod ?
20:17 Issa because is dificult to found it
20:17 Issa on the forum
20:18 VanessaE Issa: there's no "all the mods there is" package, but my "game", such as it is, contains lots of mods:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/VanessaE_Game.tar.bz2
20:18 john_minetest Yeah, forum search is suboptimal, especially for finding mods.
20:18 VanessaE just copy what you want from there.
20:18 VanessaE (most of the stuff therein is up-to-date)
20:18 khonkhortisan the sierpinski carpet has lines through it
20:18 KikaRz VanessaE, what's Minetest Port?
20:18 Issa VanessaE, i don't understan can u tell me more
20:18 KikaRz 25565?
20:18 Issa please
20:19 VanessaE KikaRz: 30000
20:19 KikaRz tell me if TCP or UDP
20:19 VanessaE Issa: download that file.  Extract it with 7zip or something.  Find the folders for the mods you want.  Copy those folders to your minetest mod folder, like where you put tnt at.
20:19 VanessaE KikaRz: UDP
20:19 KikaRz ok...
20:20 VanessaE unless you're using cURL, then I guess TCP is used also.
20:20 VanessaE (so just say both)
20:20 KikaRz cURL = ?
20:20 PilzAdam protip: click on "advanced search" and switch to "Show as topics"
20:20 PilzAdam !g cURL
20:20 MinetestBot PilzAdam: http://curl.haxx.se/
20:20 VanessaE KikaRz: cURL = the thing that's used to fetch the public server list and to download media from servers that are set up to use it.
20:20 Issa VanessaE, ok i start a server with all
20:20 Issa i hope that's work
20:20 Issa :)
20:21 VanessaE Issa: well I run a modified version of my game on my server (some stuff is disabled for sanity reasons)
20:21 KikaRz I'll do UDP/TCP
20:21 VanessaE Issa: but I recommend you just pick and choose the mods you want.
20:21 PilzAdam KikaRz, you dont need TCP if you dont explcitly enable cURL
20:22 VanessaE PilzAdam: isn't cURL sort of automatic now anyway?
20:22 PilzAdam and you most likely wont
20:22 KikaRz VanessaE, how I get cURL?
20:22 PilzAdam VanessaE, nope
20:22 VanessaE oh ok
20:22 Issa VanessaE, u haave animals and monster on the pack ?
20:22 VanessaE somehow it was on my box.  must have come in along with some other program I installed.
20:22 PilzAdam KikaRz, point remote_media to a cURL accesible server that hosts the media
20:22 VanessaE Issa: only Simple MOBs.
20:22 PilzAdam \o(
20:22 KikaRz VanessaE, I need the answer today.
20:22 PilzAdam *\o/
20:23 VanessaE PilzAdam: I think she means the library needed to compile against it.
20:23 KikaRz and VanessaE, you have already built copies?
20:23 PilzAdam oh
20:23 VanessaE KikaRz: try:  sudo apt-get install libcurl4-gnutls-dev
20:23 KikaRz I wanted one, I don't want to compile today
20:25 VanessaE are you running AMD64 Ubuntu?
20:25 KikaRz VanessaE?
20:25 VanessaE or just x86?
20:26 KikaRz amd64
20:26 VanessaE try this, then:  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82602#p82602
20:27 VanessaE this is compiled for Raring Ringtail, but should work on Precise also.
20:27 KikaRz wait a second...
20:27 KikaRz Additional Drivers loading...
20:27 KikaRz Removing controller...
20:28 KikaRz I need latest for steam
20:28 KikaRz VanessaE, we need LuaJIT?
20:28 VanessaE PilzAdam: fix your busted-ass cart models yet? ;)
20:29 VanessaE KikaRz: you don't *need* it, but it's a good idea to have it, it makes mods run better/faster
20:29 PilzAdam what is broken?
20:29 KikaRz cool
20:29 KikaRz Poor ChanServ... getting a net split.
20:29 VanessaE PilzAdam: your UV maps are not aligned and used properly.
20:29 PilzAdam -> however made the models
20:29 KikaRz VanessaE, what's PilzAdam saying?
20:30 VanessaE KikaRz: he and I are talking about his carts mod.
20:30 VanessaE PilzAdam: so do some QA, load up blender, and fix your model :)
20:30 KikaRz VanessaE, replace "he and I" for "we"
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20:31 khonkhortisan Hello ChanServ.
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20:31 KikaRz Lawl, he had a net split AGAIN
20:31 khonkhortisan Hello ChanServ.
20:31 KikaRz Cool!
20:31 KikaRz Need to restart system.
20:32 john_minetest Hmmm... What happens when ChanServ is banned from a channel?
20:32 KikaRz Idk.
20:32 KikaRz All Ops get resetted?
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20:32 john_minetest Maybe the world implodes
20:32 PilzAdam john_minetest, she will simply not join it
20:32 PilzAdam still can do her job, though
20:32 VanessaE khonkhortisan: what Sierpinski Triangle, where?
20:32 john_minetest Chan-ception
20:32 khonkhortisan the square, it has diagonal lines through the holes
20:33 * VanessaE <-- confused.  coords?
20:33 khonkhortisan no, the link from the image
20:33 KikaRz Yea, that's a good thing... World getting imploded...
20:34 KikaRz What if I delete bin folder from Minetest, and the world folder?
20:34 KikaRz I would like a nuclear bomb effect
20:34 khonkhortisan http://www.kevs3d.co.uk/dev/lsystems/
20:34 Issa what a bout the nex generation of the mapping generator ?
20:34 Issa the mapgen v7
20:34 KikaRz nex?
20:34 Issa ?
20:34 Issa the next
20:34 Issa sorry
20:34 KikaRz Look out ! You can tell s*x and not next!
20:35 Issa :)
20:36 khonkhortisan How do I make a mod immediately stop executing?
20:36 khonkhortisan nevermind
20:37 VanessaE return? :)
20:37 KikaRz Rebooting...
20:37 KikaRz > kika~ubuntu: reboot
20:38 khonkhortisan error()
20:39 VanessaE PilzAdam: also don't forget to fix your pumpkins :)
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20:41 sokomine hm. what is faster? 100mbit ethernet or usb 2.0?
20:41 sokomine oh! hi cornernote
20:41 VanessaE hey, look who's here :)
20:41 khonkhortisan yes hello
20:42 john_minetest hi cornernote.
20:42 VanessaE sokomine: for advertised speed, I think it would be USB (150 Mbps isn't it?)
20:42 john_minetest sokomine: 480MBit/s is USB 2.0
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20:42 VanessaE but for effective speed, 10/100
20:42 VanessaE oh wow, way faster
20:43 john_minetest I just lsusb.py'd and it told me that.
20:44 Issa my video topic on minetest not working :/
20:45 VanessaE video topic?
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20:45 Issa http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6052
20:46 VanessaE what's wrong?  the links all work fine
20:46 VanessaE you're trying to embed the videos?
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20:48 khonkhortisan print(getmetatable(minetest.registered_nodes)) C++ exception
20:48 KikaRz You just may install this file, if you trust it
20:48 KikaRz I don't trust Vanessa Ezekowitz... She's so cute that I love it.
20:48 ShadowNinja irc.minetest.ru seems down, according to my logs ShadowBot kicked someone previously.
20:49 VanessaE :P
20:49 * VanessaE is not cute.
20:49 KikaRz Yes you are
20:49 khonkhortisan Your player skin is
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20:49 ShadowNinja MinetestBot also flooded repeatedly...
20:49 VanessaE meh, that's just some MC skin I happen to like.
20:49 ShadowNinja (But was ignored)
20:49 VanessaE ShadowNinja: you fixed that?
20:49 sfan5 ShadowNinja: logs or it didn't happen?
20:50 KikaRz Objective set: Meet Vanessa Ezekowitz and know her entire life
20:50 KikaRz (really, the Objective set looks like Minecraft's /scoreboard
20:50 VanessaE KikaRz: Objective:  unattainable.
20:50 VanessaE (I may be fairly outspoken on the 'net, but in real life I keep to myself)
20:51 khonkhortisan http://xkcd.com/513/
20:51 KikaRz unattainable?
20:51 KikaRz VanessaE
20:51 KikaRz I can't execute file from Menu > Games
20:51 KikaRz It doesn't open anything
20:51 VanessaE unattainable - as in meeting me is not an achievement you will not be able to reach.
20:52 VanessaE one too many 'not' in there.
20:52 ShadowNinja sfan5: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5746319/
20:53 khonkhortisan botfight!
20:53 john_minetest khonkhortisan: This one is very philosophical: http://xkcd.com/505/
20:53 VanessaE seen that one.
20:53 Issa VanessaE, the problem anyone have posted a video
20:54 khonkhortisan seen it too
20:54 VanessaE Issa: you can't post videos on the minetest forums, only links to the videos, and your links work fine.
20:54 Issa ok
20:54 khonkhortisan If it can be made out of rocks, it can be made out of mesecons
20:55 KikaRz VAnessaE
20:55 KikaRz Where is installed your DEB package?
20:55 ShadowNinja Ok, the kicks were waranted.
20:55 VanessaE it installs to /usr/  like any other deb package does.
20:55 VanessaE /usr/bin/minetest and the like.
20:56 VanessaE it's a debug build, so you may need to do:   /usr/bin/minetest --disable-unittests
20:56 KikaRz Sweetie, IT'S NOT OPENING ;(
20:56 VanessaE then run it from a terminal :)
20:57 KikaRz oh
20:57 KikaRz i need luajit
20:57 VanessaE actually it's not a debug build, forgot I turned that off already.
20:57 KikaRz minetest: error while loading shared libraries: libluajit-5.1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
20:57 KikaRz ha, ha , ha
20:57 KikaRz stupid luajit...
20:57 VanessaE ok, so grab the luajit package from either my post or from your system repository (mine's more up-to-date than the default one)
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20:58 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
20:58 VanessaE hey grog
20:59 thefamilygrog66 I wrote a new mod this aft, V
20:59 thefamilygrog66 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6214
20:59 thefamilygrog66 Has this been done with minetest before?
20:59 VanessaE interesting
20:59 sokomine don't know. what does it do?
20:59 thefamilygrog66 (it's a minecraft thing)
21:00 VanessaE not exactly in that way, but jordan4ibanez did something similar a while back
21:00 thefamilygrog66 here's the description
21:00 KikaRz vanessaE, where are the files?
21:00 PilzAdam Simple Mobs!
21:00 VanessaE KikaRz: which files?
21:00 KikaRz I wanted to install mods to play with my boyfriend
21:00 thefamilygrog66 This mod randomly spawns "spawning eggs", which when combined with various materials, will become mob spawning eggs (compatible only with PilzAdam's Simple Mobs mod). When the player places one of these, the corresponding mob will appear.
21:00 PilzAdam thefamilygrog66, good job
21:00 thefamilygrog66 thanks PilzAdam
21:00 VanessaE KikaRz: put mobs in /home/kikarz/.minetest/mods      (note the period, and insert your username as needed)
21:00 VanessaE then enable them in the world's Configure menu.
21:00 KikaRz mobs?
21:00 VanessaE moDs
21:00 sokomine ah, ok
21:01 KikaRz I don't want mobs!!!
21:01 KikaRz welll
21:01 VanessaE sorry, typo.  moDs.
21:01 KikaRz it's /home/joao
21:01 KikaRz '-'
21:01 VanessaE ok
21:01 VanessaE /home/joao/.minetest/mods
21:01 sfan5 just use ~/.minetest/mods
21:01 VanessaE your worlds, mods, etc are in  .minetest
21:01 KikaRz but where is .minetest?
21:01 VanessaE in your home directory.
21:02 KikaRz nope
21:02 KikaRz there isnt
21:02 KikaRz .macromedia, .mission-control, .mozilla,
21:02 VanessaE weird.
21:02 VanessaE oh
21:02 KikaRz no signal of minetest
21:02 VanessaE run minetest first.
21:02 KikaRz ok
21:02 VanessaE it hasn't been created yet
21:02 KikaRz not running, damn
21:02 KikaRz minetest: error while loading shared libraries: libluajit-5.1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
21:03 KikaRz I've already installed it
21:03 KikaRz stupid luajit
21:03 KikaRz going to use the official
21:04 KikaRz GRRRRRR
21:04 KikaRz you don't have any other build without luajit?
21:05 Issa VanessaE, i don't understand on the inventary i have all stuff
21:05 sokomine you can build just without luajit. if you want to play on a server only, it does not make a difference at all
21:05 sokomine issa: creative server?
21:05 khonkhortisan you can also stop the compile after the client
21:05 Issa a no
21:06 Issa it's just a  book with how crafting
21:06 Issa it's cool
21:06 VanessaE sokomine: he's running my game
21:07 VanessaE KikaRz: sudo ldconfig -v
21:07 VanessaE then run the gam egaain
21:07 VanessaE then run the game again*
21:07 sokomine ah, ok
21:07 KikaRz what's that?
21:07 VanessaE KikaRz: that tells the system to refresh its list of libraries.
21:08 VanessaE (to put it simply)
21:09 KikaRz Ok.
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21:11 thexyz http://cornernote.minetest.ru/ C&D-ed
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21:11 Telek Oh lame :(
21:12 Issa hi can u have a web site to upload a game ?
21:12 thexyz you probably can access the original site at https://sites.google.com/site/cornernote/
21:13 KikaRz It's this a glitch? when you get under sand, and it gets stucked in you?
21:13 KikaRz and falling infinitly?
21:13 sfan5 KikaRz: no
21:13 KikaRz lol
21:13 KikaRz i got a print
21:14 KikaRz can you accept it sfan5?
21:14 sfan5 KikaRz: you need to forward a port to use DCC file transfer over irc
21:14 sfan5 just use imgur
21:14 KikaRz ok...
21:15 Telek Issa: dropbox, mediafire, etc?
21:15 KikaRz http://imgur.com/WNC2mU0,UHByoLm
21:15 KikaRz ok...
21:16 KikaRz idk if it's explicit
21:16 KikaRz those 2 pritns
21:16 KikaRz but you get stucked in there
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21:16 KikaRz and it don't fall through you
21:16 KikaRz or push you out
21:16 Issa thanks i try mediafire
21:17 KikaRz testing CS 1.6 on Ubuntu,.
21:17 Telek Issa: Good luck :)
21:17 Telek CS 1.6?
21:18 Issa okk first test
21:18 Issa failure
21:18 Issa :/
21:24 Telek :(
21:25 Exio Issa: works for me
21:25 khonkhortisan print(dump(node.drawtype)) node.drawtype = "nodebox" print(dump(node.drawtype)) -> "normal" "normal"
21:25 Exio ;P
21:25 john_minetest CS = Counter Strike?
21:25 Exio well, not ubuntu; debian
21:26 VanessaE gloopblocks updated with the proposed mossy stone.
21:27 Telek Any mods have the old rats from 0.2/0.3 added back in?
21:27 VanessaE Telek: simple mobs has rats
21:27 Exio simple-mobs and mobf
21:27 PilzAdam mobf is bloated
21:27 Exio (not sure about mobf)
21:28 sokomine there was a rat-plague reported on one server today. perhaps you can have some surplus ones :-)
21:28 Telek VanessaE: Ahh good to know. Is it any more reliable/stable now than the last time I tried it?
21:28 sokomine those small mobs usually work very fine
21:29 Telek Actually we used to collect them for use as currency on my server :D
21:29 Telek Unfortunately all the ones in-game got deleted either in one of the game updates or by one of the mods.
21:29 * Telek had a corral with a bunch of rats in it.
21:30 KikaRz VanessaE
21:30 KikaRz !t one-line
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21:30 john_minetest There should be a mod adding mesh-only mobs with pathfinding API but without examples. Or is there one?
21:30 KikaRz how to search things in forum by the bot?
21:30 KikaRz sfan5, unignore me permanently.
21:30 PilzAdam !help
21:30 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
21:31 sfan5 !unignore KikaRz
21:31 MinetestBot sfan5: 'KikaRz' removed from ignore list.
21:31 PilzAdam !unignore KikaRz
21:31 KikaRz i want PERMANENTLY.
21:31 KikaRz since everytime that bot restarts, i get ignored.
21:32 KikaRz !g One-Line Compile
21:32 MinetestBot KikaRz: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837
21:32 KikaRz ok
21:32 khonkhortisan for name, node in pairs(minetest.registered_nodes) do: Using print(dump(getmetatable(node)), I see that I start with the node being {__newindex = {}, __index = {...}} When I do node.drawtype = "nodebox" I end up with the node being {__newindex = {drawtype = "nodebox"}, __index = {...}} That seems like a mean thing to do.
21:33 sfan5 KikaRz: the bot restarts very rarely
21:33 KikaRz But everytime I enter, he's offline
21:36 KikaRz And what Shadowbot does?
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21:37 Exio KikaRz: if you didn't get ignored by first time... ;)
21:37 KikaRz Exio, ?
21:38 Exio you now need to bother around for getting unignored permanent-ly
21:39 KikaRz VanessaE, now compilation takes longer '-'
21:41 ShadowNinja Clearing all objects...
21:42 ShadowNinja Good, memory is hovering at 2.5%
21:42 KikaRz PilzAdam has been unignored from KikaRz's Freenode list.
21:42 PilzAdam awww
21:43 KikaRz PilzAdam, why you don't do a cars mod?
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21:43 PilzAdam I dont want to have cars in Minetest
21:43 KikaRz That was cool
21:43 KikaRz :(
21:43 sokomine oh, hm, cars are something i missed in minecraft allready. we have those nice streets there...but nothing on them
21:44 sokomine except occasional player-build cars. which - in that blocky style and size - just don't work. they need to get too big to look convincing
21:44 KikaRz hey, but there are streets and roads mod
21:44 KikaRz in vanessaE's server
21:44 KikaRz why there aren't cars?
21:44 sokomine cars could be mobs that "live" on streets :-)
21:44 KikaRz Really? O.O
21:44 KikaRz I hate mobs
21:44 khonkhortisan then they'd have to follow the lines
21:44 PilzAdam I would rather modfiy the boats mod
21:45 lazyjones Hey everyone! Can someone please help me? Version 0.4.7 craches when I try to run it. Version 0.4.4 worked just fine. I have tried on two computers with the same result.
21:45 KikaRz lazyjones, Video mode?
21:45 ShadowNinja lazyjones: Cay you provide debug.txt.
21:45 KikaRz (Direct3d, OpenGL, software)?
21:45 khonkhortisan and the terminal output
21:45 ShadowNinja Can* +?
21:45 lazyjones how can I check the video mode?
21:45 KikaRz Forget.
21:46 KikaRz Just give us debug.txt
21:46 lazyjones ok
21:46 KikaRz (host it at pastebin, or dropbox, or mediafire, or Ubuntu One
21:47 Telek lazyjones: What OpenGL version?
21:47 KikaRz Telek, thank you for correcting me.
21:48 * Telek had the shader stuff cause a bunch of systems that used to work ok to stop working.
21:48 KikaRz I don't wanted to say Video mode, but yes, Version
21:48 KikaRz Why Shader's mod is by default turned on?
21:48 PilzAdam lazyjones, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5073
21:48 KikaRz that's stupid.
21:48 Telek KikaRz: Well you need to know both: What renderer+what feature version
21:49 KikaRz Yea.
21:49 Telek KikaRz: Because it looks prettier.
21:49 PilzAdam lazyjones, if I had to guess then I would say that your mods are still in mods/minetest, you need to move them to just mods/
21:49 KikaRz but it's giving many problems.
21:49 PilzAdam KikaRz, shaders are nice
21:49 Telek I had a discussion on this a week or two ago
21:49 PilzAdam and they work for most people
21:49 KikaRz but are giving problems.
21:49 Telek 'You shouldn't be playing minetest with such obsolete hardware'
21:49 PilzAdam thats your problem then
21:49 KikaRz In 10 computers, just 2 worked.
21:49 Telek See.
21:50 KikaRz All with different graphics card.
21:50 KikaRz 2 worst
21:50 KikaRz 5 good
21:50 KikaRz 3 fantastic
21:50 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/762 wtf?
21:50 khonkhortisan I can't delete it
21:50 khonkhortisan I forgot a dump
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21:51 PilzAdam ask github staff to remove it
21:51 khonkhortisan __newindex is a horrible thing to use!
21:51 khonkhortisan I just want to turn all the nodes into legos. Is that too much to ask?
21:51 codedevil VanessaE: don't be a-hole, I didn't know that lava would crash server. it's admin/devels fault not min
21:52 KikaRz Lava can crash.
21:52 khonkhortisan There's also no default table copy to minetest.register_node(":"..nodename,... with
21:52 KikaRz If used too much times
21:52 VanessaE it's core devs fault
21:52 codedevil VanessaE: normally you should thank someone for discovering a bug, revert, and ask to not do it again untill server patches it
21:52 VanessaE for making the lava/water flowing code so G*d awful slow
21:52 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, I usually make a copy of the table and modify the values in this process
21:52 lazyjones I can't seem to find debug.txt, and I don't run any mods
21:52 KikaRz VanessaE, can you add water?
21:52 VanessaE KikaRz: already put water/lava back in.
21:52 KikaRz And you added a warning for being careful with lava?
21:52 KikaRz or just make permissions
21:53 KikaRz to use liquids
21:53 VanessaE your interact has been restored.
21:53 VanessaE KikaRz: bad idea, that just invites people to try to fuck with the sertver.
21:53 VanessaE server*
21:53 KikaRz paraaa paraaa paradisseee paraaa paraaa paradisee
21:53 codedevil clearly the server needs to limiti amount of time to spend recalculating liquids
21:53 KikaRz VanessaE, why bad idea?
21:53 VanessaE codedevil: agreed
21:53 KikaRz You could make privs
21:53 KikaRz to use liquids
21:53 VanessaE KikaRz: because of kiddies who will try to exploit such bugs
21:53 VanessaE (that does not refer to codedevil)
21:53 codedevil what servers should actually do?
21:54 ShadowNinja I thinklavacooling slowed down lava significantly.
21:54 lazyjones the only debug.txt I can find is the one from version 0.4.4
21:54 codedevil and why it's so complex to simple move blocks down
21:54 KikaRz I wanted to make instantly cobgble generator
21:54 ShadowNinja lazyjones: Windows? Linux?
21:54 KikaRz *cobble
21:54 lazyjones Windows 7 64bit
21:55 codedevil how are areas activated?
21:55 codedevil only areas that have people in them are updated?
21:55 ShadowNinja lazyjones: Open up comand prompt cd to where your minetest install is and run it.
21:55 KikaRz WHAT THE F*CK? 93,4 MB/s at TF2 downloading on Steam?
21:55 VanessaE KikaRz: on my server, lava+water gives either pumice, basalt, or obsidian.
21:55 KikaRz Fantastic.
21:55 VanessaE sodedyes.
21:55 VanessaE codedevil: yes
21:55 codedevil you know C++?
21:56 VanessaE nope, not enough to get into the engine and fix it
21:56 codedevil maybe I can fix that server, you run latest git?
21:56 ShadowNinja lazyjones: If you don't know how to do that tell me where the minetest folder is.
21:56 codedevil would be nice of the author (cc55?) was here
21:56 VanessaE even if I did, I wouldn't bother, because my code will likely never make it in - I'm too picky about how such things should work.
21:56 VanessaE codedevil: c55 isn't the only coder anymore, there are others - he doesn't control the project now.
21:57 VanessaE it's more decentralized.
21:57 VanessaE and yeah, latest git
21:57 khonkhortisan it seems like rawset() doesn't work on registered nodes anymore
21:57 lazyjones ShadowNinja I tried it. It doesn't give me any error messages or anything
21:57 PilzAdam codedevil, I know the liquid update code a bit
21:57 codedevil PilzAdam: why it's sos godawful slow
21:57 ShadowNinja lazyjones: You run it and it instantly returns?
21:58 PilzAdam thats a stupid question, honestly
21:58 lazyjones exactly
21:58 KikaRz VanessaE, my opinion of actual Minetest: Code is getting worst, Old computers don't support Minetest anymore "WHY? WHY YOU DON'T TRY OLD COMPUTERS TO GET WORKING?", mods are getting more laggy, people are leaving)
21:58 lazyjones ShadowNinja exactly
21:58 ShadowNinja lazyjones: Where did you get your build?
21:58 codedevil PilzAdam: then be intelligent and know what I mean
21:58 codedevil what takes so long in the liquid update code
21:59 Telek Also: If you ask a minecrafter to try it out, they just go 'omg inferior lolwtf byebye!'
21:59 VanessaE KikaRz: I can't speak for the quality of the code since I can't read most of it, but I have noticed performance regressions in places.
21:59 PilzAdam I have never benchmarked it
21:59 lazyjones ShadowNinja from Minetest website
21:59 codedevil take all blocks in current sector, under lava blocks add new lava block if empty...?
21:59 KikaRz VanessaE, lava / water flowing code?
21:59 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: You tested the official build?
21:59 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, hm?
22:00 ShadowNinja lazyjones says the the official build returns imediately on his computer.
22:00 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: ^
22:00 KikaRz Since when , youtube got 144 p quality???
22:01 KikaRz (you can test it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dbEhBKGOtY)
22:01 lazyjones ShadowNinja Version 0.4.4 worked fine, but I had the same problem with all the newer updates
22:02 ShadowNinja Hmmm...
22:02 ShadowNinja Switch to Linux. ;-)
22:03 lazyjones ShadowNinja A guy on youtube I follow had the exact same problem as me. 0.4.4 worked for him, but not the newer versions
22:03 KikaRz Super tux, I missed you <3
22:03 PilzAdam lazyjones, what does cmd output when you run it from there?
22:04 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Instant return he says.
22:04 codedevil PilzAdam: which parts of code are updating flowing lava?
22:04 KikaRz what's sauerbraten?
22:04 lazyjones PilzAdam yep.. instant return.. no output at all
22:05 PilzAdam codedevil, map.cpp:1973 Map::transformLiquids()
22:05 KikaRz Is Sauerbraten cool?
22:05 PilzAdam it always processes the whole m_transforming_liquid queue
22:05 codedevil VanessaE: your server does NOT use finite liquids, right?
22:05 PilzAdam with a limit of 10000
22:06 KikaRz VanessaE
22:06 KikaRz got an idea
22:06 VanessaE codedevil: correct
22:06 PilzAdam lazyjones, run it with --speedtests
22:06 KikaRz What If... People when place lava/water, that don't flow?
22:06 lazyjones PilzAdam i'll try it
22:06 codedevil // This should be done here so that it is done when continue is used
22:06 codedevil if(loopcount >= initial_size || loopcount >= 10000)
22:06 codedevil this?
22:07 lazyjones --speedtests instant return.. no messages at all
22:07 VanessaE KikaRz: that would make it impossible to create waterfalls et.al
22:07 KikaRz and?
22:07 lazyjones PilzAdam instant return.. no messages at all
22:08 KikaRz that would be metter
22:08 KikaRz *better
22:08 codedevil VanessaE: try changing that line, 10000 to 100 and restart server.
22:08 KikaRz what's preferrable?
22:08 KikaRz Creating waterfalls and crashing server
22:08 KikaRz or Stabilizing server?
22:08 VanessaE best would be c55's idea (and codedevil said the same), limit the amount of time the server can spend on spreading lava/water
22:08 PilzAdam lazyjones, try searching in the internet about programs returning without doing anything
22:08 Exio [18:49:47] <KikaRz> In 10 computers, just 2 worked.
22:08 codedevil maybe it will make lava-explosion areas update slowly (over many minutes to flow) instead of hanging server
22:08 Exio KikaRz: stop using 1994 computers
22:08 codedevil VanessaE: yes, I just told you how to do it :)
22:08 KikaRz Exio, STOP TALKING ABOUT OLD TOPICS!
22:08 codedevil change that and restart server
22:08 KikaRz That's completely off topic...
22:09 PilzAdam lazyjones, if you got no useful resutls, then add Irrlicht to the search string
22:09 VanessaE codedevil: I'll let someone else test that, I'm a little gunshy :)
22:09 PilzAdam *results
22:09 Telek Exio: Any non-ATI/Nvidia card is probably currently broken with shaders.
22:09 KikaRz Exio has been added to KikaRz's Freenode Ignore List (KRFI)
22:09 codedevil VanessaE: ok I will test it now and tell you what's the result
22:09 Telek While maybe of them MAY be 2000 era 3d graphics technology-equivalent, they ARE still in use, and in plenty of cheap hardware that's still readily available.
22:09 PilzAdam lazyjones, maybe try --verbose
22:10 Exio Telek: apu(s) => ati igp; lastest intel(s) => "support for basic shaders and iirc a bit more"
22:10 lazyjones PilzAdam ok I'll see what i can find
22:10 PilzAdam lazyjones, first try --verbose, then --help
22:11 PilzAdam if --help doesnt output anything then...
22:11 Telek Exio: PowerVR SGX in an Atom.
22:11 lazyjones PilzAdam none of them output anything
22:11 Telek Currently broken if shaders are enabled because it reports supporting GLSL but doesn't.
22:11 codedevil in single player, where is the lava source ?
22:11 Telek GeForce FX5200 was broken last time I tried it too.
22:11 PilzAdam lazyjones, ok, so its not an Irrlicht thing
22:11 Telek However it worked with 0.4.4 and earlier.
22:11 lazyjones PilzAdam hm ok
22:11 PilzAdam the Irrlicht device is created later
22:12 Exio Telek: atom = netbook or low-end device
22:12 Exio i mean, mid-end at least
22:12 codedevil in single player how you start lava?  VanesseA?
22:12 codedevil in single player how you start lava?  VanessaE
22:12 VanessaE "start" it?
22:12 codedevil I dont have lava source block in inventory
22:12 VanessaE oh
22:12 VanessaE /giveme lava_source 99
22:13 Exio /giveme default:lava_source -1
22:13 VanessaE and water_source
22:13 codedevil ok
22:13 codedevil how you set home-point and how you teleport to it?
22:13 Exio sethome mod
22:13 codedevil and go to <x,y,z>
22:13 lazyjones PilzAdam I have tried everything on two of my computer with the same result... strange
22:13 VanessaE in the default game, you have to /teleport x,y,z
22:13 VanessaE /grant singleplayer all
22:14 VanessaE the use /teleport to get around
22:14 lazyjones PilzAdam the other computer is Windows 7 32bit
22:15 PilzAdam lazyjones, then search for "window 7 wont run programms"
22:15 PilzAdam or something in that direction
22:15 PilzAdam +s
22:15 lazyjones PilzAdam lol
22:16 PilzAdam its definetly not Minetest's fault
22:16 codedevil how to fly and be immortal?
22:16 Exio disable damage
22:16 PilzAdam /set enable_damage false
22:16 Exio and press the fly key :D
22:17 lazyjones PilzAdam ok.. I have ubuntu on another machine. Going to test it there. Thanks for all the help :)
22:17 PilzAdam windows sucks
22:17 codedevil balls
22:17 lazyjones PilzAdam I agree with that
22:18 KikaRz PilzAdam + codedevil = windows sucks balls
22:18 KikaRz '-'
22:18 PilzAdam funfact: windows works better in wine than in windows
22:18 KikaRz Correct
22:18 KikaRz Next question:
22:18 KikaRz Does Windows like easier ways to install Programs?
22:19 khonkhortisan Userspace should not require reboot
22:19 mito551 woe is me to be here and read all that herecy against windows
22:19 KikaRz are you shel?
22:19 KikaRz or neusa?
22:20 khonkhortisan If another operating system can install programs without rebooting, they should work on copying that to not fall behind
22:20 lazyjones PilzAdam btw can you recommend a better Linux distribution than Ubuntu?
22:20 codedevil windows should work on on spying on all users - prism
22:20 PilzAdam lazyjones, Kubuntu
22:20 codedevil lazyjones: Ubuntu is gay, try debian, arch, gentoo(advanced but you can do it), mint
22:21 PilzAdam KDE is just awesome if your GPU can run it
22:21 khonkhortisan "The task manager has been disabled by the administrator" No I'm not!
22:21 khonkhortisan I use suse, I don't know how it compares
22:21 PilzAdam "The task manager has been disabled by a virus" <- would fit better
22:21 mito551 pilzadam lazyjones xubuntu?
22:21 khonkhortisan it's as simple as opening regedit as any user
22:21 lazyjones PilzAdam is there big differences betwen Ubuntu and Kubuntu?
22:21 thexyz shitdows
22:21 thexyz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY
22:22 PilzAdam lazyjones, Kubuntu has less spying and sending data to amazon and more KDE
22:22 lazyjones PilzAdam ok thanks I will try it
22:22 codedevil but we need the spying
22:22 codedevil becuse the children and terrorirrriststs
22:23 thexyz paedophiles as well
22:23 khonkhortisan I read that as n-sake-y until "have not shared this key with the NSA"
22:23 lazyjones nsa
22:23 khonkhortisan pæ?
22:23 thexyz why not?
22:24 NakedFury down with child molesters
22:24 codedevil and furries
22:24 PilzAdam its funny how Microsoft fails at releasing closed source
22:24 thexyz both e and ae seem to be right
22:25 thexyz too good I don't live in the land of the free
22:25 codedevil )
22:25 codedevil ;)
22:26 KikaRz Could not find required OpenGL entry point 'glColorMaskIndexedEXT'! Either your video card is unsupported, or your OpenGL driver needs to be updated
22:26 KikaRz Who helps me?
22:26 codedevil "your parents" ?
22:26 PilzAdam we definetly need Calinou here
22:27 Exio for what PilzAdam?
22:27 PilzAdam telling KikaRz that he has an old graphic card :-p
22:27 KikaRz No.
22:27 KikaRz I don't have.
22:27 codedevil PilzAdam:  VanessaE how do you check is your singleplayer game overloaded or not - to benchmark it?
22:27 Exio KikaRz: how old?
22:27 KikaRz NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430
22:28 KikaRz not old
22:28 PilzAdam KikaRz, what OS are you on?
22:28 KikaRz ubuntu 12.04.* LST
22:28 KikaRz '-'
22:28 PilzAdam what drivers do you use?
22:28 KikaRz recommended
22:28 Exio nouveau probably
22:28 KikaRz no
22:28 KikaRz SHUT THE HELL UP EXIO!
22:28 thexyz PilzAdam: *she
22:29 PilzAdam thexyz, shes a bot?
22:29 KikaRz No.
22:29 thexyz there's no girls on the internet though
22:29 thexyz oh, yes
22:29 PilzAdam everyone except bots are "he!
22:29 PilzAdam *"
22:29 codedevil 4chan begs to differ, thexyz
22:29 KikaRz thexyz, VanessaE is a travesti???
22:29 Telek codevil: Unless they're doing software development and know ebuilds inside and out, NEVER EVER RECOMMEND GENTOO
22:29 thexyz I always forgot it
22:29 KikaRz O_O'
22:29 thexyz forget*
22:29 thexyz whatever
22:29 VanessaE huh>
22:29 VanessaE ?
22:29 PilzAdam thexyz, If someone claims to be female, then it can be used
22:30 PilzAdam *"it"
22:30 thexyz codedevil: I'm not sure whether this is 4chan meme or not
22:30 thexyz why should I care anyway?
22:31 KikaRz Solved problem...
22:31 Exio how?
22:31 KikaRz I hate machomens.
22:31 PilzAdam codedevil, dig the node under an attached node, e.g. under grass or a flower
22:31 KikaRz Exio, shut your mouth up.
22:31 KikaRz http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/5/864958451285122301/
22:31 Exio wat
22:31 codedevil I  made me a fountain and sever seems to work ik
22:32 codedevil o
22:32 codedevil *ok
22:32 Exio isn't there any rule "be nice"
22:32 KikaRz Relogin...
22:32 KikaRz Exio, you are now Ignored.
22:32 KikaRz To avoid getting problems
22:32 PilzAdam KikaRz, thats why I asked you wich driver you use ,-)
22:32 PilzAdam *;
22:32 VanessaE codedevil: but it that fountain as big as the one you killed my server with? :)
22:32 codedevil VanessaE: its quite big
22:32 VanessaE 300m high, ~30m in diameter
22:32 codedevil how to fly? what is fly key?
22:33 VanessaE well closer to 20m diameter
22:33 Exio hjkl
22:33 VanessaE press k
22:33 PilzAdam k
22:33 thexyz Telek: why not?
22:33 Exio one of them
22:33 codedevil VanessaE: I really dont know how it got that wide. Maybe it started a coble generator?
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22:33 Telek thexyz: Because gentoo is a mess, especially to bootstrap.
22:33 VanessaE codedevil: partly it did, but it also hit not-yet-loaded blocks, which triggers a bug in the flowing routines.
22:33 VanessaE when water falls onto the "surface" of a not-yet-loaded block, it spreads out as if it hit a solid surface.
22:33 Exio Telek: what?
22:33 PilzAdam what bug?
22:34 codedevil VanessaE: maybe the problem is not in generating blocks, but in sending so many updated blocks to clients in networking mode?
22:34 codedevil PilzAdam: I owned VanessaE's server with lavacolumn the other day
22:34 thexyz Telek: there's a handbook
22:34 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2006042013%20-%2008:11:11%20PM.png
22:34 VanessaE part of the lava column in question
22:34 KikaRz joined #minetest
22:34 PilzAdam VanessaE, maybe fix this "bug" by not updating liquids if CONTENT_IGNORE is one of its neighbors
22:34 KikaRz Back
22:35 codedevil PilzAdam: good idea, write patch
22:35 KikaRz YEA! Now I can play my lovely game.
22:35 VanessaE PilzAdam: that might work
22:35 codedevil so far I can't get my localgame to slow down on lavacolumn so hard to test
22:35 VanessaE codedevil: try launching a server ("Advanced" tab) and using another client to connect to it
22:35 Telek thexyz: And as my buddy with years of linux experience said: 'I wondered if gentoo still took 2 days to set up, and after finding out it did I installed arch, and then after getting fed up with it, moved to Fedora, of which I have been pleasantly surprised.'
22:36 * Telek hasn't had to do a reinstall in years, but that's as much because of how much time he'd have to waste doing it as anything else.
22:36 Exio i don't get it
22:36 codedevil aaaargghhhhh
22:36 codedevil the lava it burns
22:36 Exio it took 2 days in a netbook with a 256kbps network
22:36 Exio sane people has a proper computer and a decent network
22:36 KikaRz oh god, my game's brightness is so DARK!
22:37 KikaRz I can't adjust
22:37 KikaRz '-'
22:38 thexyz Telek: oh, yes, compiling shit is quite painful
22:38 codedevil guys
22:38 codedevil I think it's the sending of so many updates that is the problem, not liquid itself
22:38 KikaRz who knows how to adjust brightness on TF2 by console?
22:39 Telek thexyz: Just getting the set of useflags you want for the packages you need is a nightmare now.
22:39 Exio it is a nightmare the first you look at it
22:40 Telek That particular friend *LOVED* FreeBSD's ports when he tried it, but needs flash support which he found inadequate under FreeBSD's linux emulation.
22:40 PilzAdam VanessaE, https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/5736881
22:40 PilzAdam not a proper fix, but it should do it
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22:41 KikaRz Guys, who knows changing brightness of TF2 (linux) by console?
22:42 PilzAdam -> #tf2
22:43 codedevil can I invite VanessaE to my single player game (usae same map in multi) ?
22:43 thexyz I wonder if we need a private channel for staff
22:44 PilzAdam thexyz, maybe just voice staff here?
22:44 Exio not for that
22:44 Exio he means one for talking about "staff stuff"; i guess
22:44 KikaRz PilzAdam, that channel got nothing
22:45 thexyz PilzAdam: the point is to make it private, so that we can discuss our beloved community, for example
22:46 codedevil how do I quickly create 10x10 platform from given brick
22:46 Exio WE
22:46 codedevil or at least 10 blocks line (horizontal), NOT on ground
22:47 VanessaE codedevil:   /teleport 100,400,100   //pos1    /teleport 110,400,110    //pos2    //set cobble
22:47 VanessaE that'll give you a 10x10 cobble platform centered at 105,400,105
22:48 codedevil so I would like to take VanessaE to my singleplayer map, how?
22:49 VanessaE give me your IP address and port and make sure your router+firewall will let me in
22:49 codedevil k.
22:49 codedevil key babby wanna come to my map? for some... debugging
22:49 VanessaE heh
22:50 Telek codedevil: Yeah you can reuse the same map for both SP and MP.
22:50 VanessaE thexyz: the question is, how do you define "staff"?
22:51 codedevil question
22:51 codedevil why the fuck minetest seams to store map in sqlite?!
22:51 codedevil I hope missread the source code on this
22:51 VanessaE it does.
22:52 codedevil jesus christ on rocketski
22:52 VanessaE there are some vague plans to work LevelDB into the official distro though
22:52 thexyz VanessaE: irc ops, forum moderators
22:52 codedevil you really really should use custom binary format for it.
22:52 VanessaE thexyz: that's about what I figured then
22:54 codedevil no 'fly' privilatge
22:55 Exio /grant <player> fly
22:55 VanessaE /grant singleplayer all
22:56 VanessaE or whatever your in-game name is
22:57 codedevil world height limit is 400 ?
22:58 codedevil oh... it keeps genreating sky blocks. dunno why it takes time to do it
22:58 codedevil VanessaE: invalid command pos1
22:59 VanessaE two slashes, and you need worldedit
22:59 codedevil how to get worldedit? it's separate program?
22:59 Exio mod
23:00 VanessaE it's a mod
23:00 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=572
23:00 codedevil found a bug in lighting
23:00 VanessaE use the github link
23:00 codedevil blocks in air are black, while it's day
23:00 Exio known bug
23:01 Exio that is where you use //fixlight command
23:01 Exio (WE command) ;P
23:02 NakedFury still no fix without doing fixlight?
23:02 VanessaE not yet, I guess we need hardware lighting
23:02 codedevil we need whaaat?
23:03 Exio something
23:04 VanessaE codedevil: video-card-assisted lighting calculations and rendering
23:04 codedevil whaaat
23:04 codedevil bitches be crazy >_>
23:05 codedevil opengl/etc light calculations have nothing to do with software calculations of light logic..
23:05 codedevil the bug with generating blocks is serious. I wait 20 second now in singleplayer and still cant get into this sector before me
23:05 codedevil chunk
23:05 VanessaE actually, the theory is that if you replace one with the other, you get rid of those persistent shadows in the process.
23:06 VanessaE because the lighting is currently stored with each node or something
23:06 codedevil as it should be
23:06 codedevil it's game logic
23:06 VanessaE and hardware lighting would be dynamic - generated at rendering time rather than mapgen time
23:06 codedevil opengl does nothing of "minecraft lava or torches" it just renders shitload of polygons
23:07 Exio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transform,_clipping,_and_lighting
23:08 VanessaE codedevil: right but I guess irrlicht knows how to do hardware lighting or something
23:08 VanessaE I don't know the raw details though
23:08 codedevil maybe it will do some part of calculation
23:09 codedevil ok I have this huge lava fountain
23:09 codedevil x10 bigger then yours and it works ok on git version
23:09 VanessaE pics or it didn't happen :D
23:09 Exio mods
23:09 codedevil back to you, missy :P
23:10 Exio your fountain only is default mod
23:10 Exio well, did you try adding water codedevil
23:10 codedevil where it stores screenshots
23:11 VanessaE codedevil: whatever dir you were in when you launched minetest, or minetestfolder/bin
23:12 codedevil http://bayimg.com/JaNFMAaec
23:13 VanessaE cool
23:13 VanessaE now acid test:  stretch that out even further - as far as you can
23:14 codedevil http://bayimg.com/jAnFNAAEC
23:14 codedevil http://bayimg.com/JANFoaAec
23:15 VanessaE wait it out for a while, let the rest of the blocks load up and sit for a few minutes spreading
23:15 PilzAdam VanessaE, tested my patch yet?
23:15 VanessaE not yet
23:15 Exio i need a slower pc
23:16 PilzAdam Exio, /me too :D
23:16 codedevil http://bayimg.com/JanFpAaeC <-- lava pouring over not loaded chunk
23:16 VanessaE PilzAdam: I'm not inclined to test it though - too scared to fuck with the code :)
23:16 Exio well, or i know what to do
23:16 PilzAdam VanessaE, awww
23:16 codedevil VanessaE: don't be a baby, test it :)
23:16 codedevil do it
23:16 VanessaE I'm too chickenshit :)
23:16 PilzAdam Exio, vm in a vm in a vm?
23:16 Exio nope
23:17 VanessaE virtualception? :)
23:17 codedevil VanessaE: while at it, change that 10000 to 500, it will stop your server from hanging.  ok?
23:17 Exio valgrind!
23:17 PilzAdam VanessaE, note that I actually tested it
23:17 Exio well, no
23:17 codedevil VanessaE: just backup and test it
23:17 PilzAdam Exio, in a vm?
23:17 Exio yes, inside valgrind
23:17 Exio (valgrind = vm :P)
23:17 VanessaE ok, make a couple of actual commits somewhere to I can pull them in
23:17 codedevil VanessaE: I can hug you if that gives you courage, assuming you're a hot girl
23:18 codedevil PilzAdam: what do you think about changing that 10000 to 500? only downside is that simulation will be then slower then it could be on fast serves
23:18 Exio make it a variable
23:19 PilzAdam VanessaE, branch hackily_liquid_fix
23:19 PilzAdam yes, my english sux
23:19 VanessaE codedevil: hot?  eh, you decide --> http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/extra/2005-06-03-0001.jpg
23:19 VanessaE hackily_liquid_fix.  hah!
23:20 PilzAdam oO VanessaE is a domina?
23:20 VanessaE PilzAdam: nope, just happen to like that kind of stuff.
23:20 Exio 2005?
23:20 Exio wat
23:21 VanessaE old pic but I look more or less the same, about 20 pounds heavier though.
23:21 VanessaE codedevil: what file and line number for that 10000 -> 500 change?
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23:22 VanessaE nevermind, found it.
23:22 PilzAdam some lines above my patch
23:22 VanessaE setting it for 250
23:24 VanessaE ok, the server's up, with both patches in place.
23:25 * PilzAdam connects to see it crash :-p
23:25 VanessaE :P
23:25 PilzAdam I am not responsible for any hardware damage
23:25 PilzAdam ^ loggingbot_ make sure you got that
23:25 VanessaE I have an effective cooling solution in place already :D
23:25 Exio VanessaE: inxi -s!
23:26 VanessaE Exio: eh?
23:26 Exio (sensors)
23:26 VanessaE oh
23:26 Exio Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 38.0C mobo: 30.0C gpu: 36C
23:26 Exio with a nice output
23:27 VanessaE PilzAdam: you have no head on your player model?
23:27 VanessaE s/model/skin/
23:27 PilzAdam yep
23:27 VanessaE weird.
23:28 PilzAdam so, where is that fountain?
23:28 VanessaE it'll need to be re-created
23:28 VanessaE I edited it out ages ago
23:29 PilzAdam nice, I got WE priv
23:29 codedevil PilzAdam: where are you're building yours?
23:29 PilzAdam idk
23:29 Telek left #minetest
23:29 PilzAdam some random place
23:30 codedevil press F5....
23:30 PilzAdam type /teleport PilzAdam
23:31 codedevil how to show online players
23:31 codedevil VanessaE: privilage me teleport?
23:31 PilzAdam /status
23:32 PilzAdam its funny how exactly nothing happens
23:32 PilzAdam just floating source blocks
23:33 VanessaE that's a bug, it won't start flowing until you add a source block by hand
23:33 PilzAdam why doesnt fixlight fix it?
23:33 VanessaE dunno
23:34 VanessaE because fixlight only digs at air, and only on the top-most Y layer of the region
23:34 PilzAdam and why do I have no give priv?
23:34 VanessaE no one does by default; now you have it.
23:35 PilzAdam well, placing the source by hand doesnt fix it
23:35 VanessaE interesting, it just doesn't flow at all
23:36 PilzAdam do you have added soem debug output to see when the size of the queue?
23:36 VanessaE well that's ONE way to keep it from crashing :D
23:36 PilzAdam maybe its somewhere at 500 all the time and you break it at 250
23:36 VanessaE I'll set it to 500 then
23:36 codedevil guys
23:36 codedevil and girl
23:36 PilzAdam add a conf setting
23:37 codedevil we should debug the value of blocks maybe?
23:37 PilzAdam VanessaE, should I pass you the code for that?
23:37 codedevil like... "aborting flowing after 500 blocks, out of queue of 5314 blocks"
23:37 VanessaE PilzAdam: later
23:37 PilzAdam so you can modify it at runtime
23:37 VanessaE well actualyl yeah
23:37 VanessaE just gimme a commit for it
23:38 codedevil rebooting?
23:38 VanessaE not yet, waiting for pilzadam
23:38 codedevil that is odd bug
23:38 PilzAdam g_settings->getS16("debug_flowing_liquid)
23:39 codedevil look, I can not break the marble blocks wtf
23:39 VanessaE what tool are you using?
23:39 codedevil just hand
23:39 PilzAdam and make sure you either set the default in defaultsettings.cpp or be aboslutly sure you add it to minetest.conf
23:39 VanessaE that's why
23:39 NakedFury you arent supposed to break them by hand
23:39 VanessaE this isn't default creative, it's modified so that you need a tool.
23:39 codedevil k
23:40 PilzAdam I should take a screenshot and say "Devs playing skyblock"
23:40 VanessaE heh
23:43 PilzAdam pushed to same branch
23:43 VanessaE "stuff:.  heh
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23:44 VanessaE re-cloned, added both patches, rebuilding now.
23:44 VanessaE codedevil: um. don't do that.
23:44 VanessaE please don't make that symbol on my server.
23:44 PilzAdam map.cpp takes pretty long to build
23:45 VanessaE PilzAdam: I re-cloned just to keep it clean.
23:45 codedevil VanessaE: don't do what?
23:45 VanessaE ok, restarting
23:46 VanessaE ok, it's up.
23:46 PilzAdam hah! first one
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23:46 PilzAdam works now
23:47 VanessaE I'm still preloading visuals
23:47 VanessaE there it goes.
23:47 PilzAdam dont load the blocks under it yet, see what happens
23:47 VanessaE ok, server's at 13% CPU in one core
23:47 VanessaE ok
23:48 VanessaE (13-15% is normal for me)
23:48 codedevil PilzAdam: lol why you're being fascist? ;)
23:48 PilzAdam nope
23:49 VanessaE PilzAdam: how long should we wait before examining the bottom of the column?
23:49 PilzAdam someone is already there
23:49 codedevil lava isn't flowing... probably untill water is done?
23:50 Exio i'm pretty sure the bottleneck is lua
23:50 PilzAdam the limit is definetly too low
23:50 VanessaE weird
23:50 VanessaE shall I raise it?
23:50 PilzAdam Exio, Lua is not involved at all
23:50 codedevil it didn't reached Y=0
23:50 Exio PilzAdam: for the fountain with lava and water, it is.
23:51 codedevil VanessaE: do you know how to print debug message?
23:51 Exio tell me what happens when you have default:water_source next to default:lava_source
23:51 VanessaE codedevil: here it comes.  I think it got stopped by a not-loaded block
23:51 khonkhortisan mesecons/mesecons_extrawires/mesewire.lua:13: attempt to index field 'tiles' (a nil value)
23:51 PilzAdam wich proves that my patch works, yay!
23:51 VanessaE and it stopped.  but the server's quite alive
23:51 PilzAdam now the lava starts flowing
23:51 PilzAdam VanessaE, raise it to 700
23:51 VanessaE the water has missing faces on the bottoms, so the unloaded block stopped it entirely.
23:52 PilzAdam bottom face is never drawn for flowing liquid
23:52 VanessaE what's the setting name?
23:52 PilzAdam it doesnt tell us anything about the node under it
23:52 PilzAdam liquid
23:52 VanessaE it's saying 'failed'
23:52 VanessaE as if it's not a valid key
23:52 PilzAdam you have to add -n the first time
23:53 VanessaE ah, thought os
23:53 VanessaE so*
23:53 PilzAdam i.e. /set -n liquid 700
23:53 VanessaE done
23:53 khonkhortisan oh nevermind
23:54 PilzAdam wut? I have lava damage enabled in my client?
23:54 VanessaE server's still at very low CPU usage - about 16% now
23:54 codedevil try 2000
23:54 VanessaE looks like the lavacooling abm (in gloopblocks) is working normally though
23:54 VanessaE PilzAdam: concur?
23:55 PilzAdam sure
23:55 VanessaE changed.
23:55 PilzAdam just watch your server laod
23:55 PilzAdam *load
23:55 VanessaE server's load is jumping around but no moreso than normal
23:55 VanessaE people signing in/out always causes huge CPU spiked
23:56 VanessaE spikes*
23:56 PilzAdam should I add some debug output?
23:56 VanessaE yeah
23:56 PilzAdam Ill add it to errorstream so all clients see it
23:56 VanessaE ok
23:58 PilzAdam pushed
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