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00:01 sokomine hm, still fighting with my x configuration. either i get that horrible gnome/kde/whatever or i do get my loved icewm - sadly not in the right resultion
00:01 VanessaE hang on a sec, arguing with scree
00:01 VanessaE screen*
00:01 sokomine oh, i can argue with screen for you, and you argue for me with the dte, ok? :)
00:01 PilzAdam y no KDE?
00:01 sokomine no
00:02 VanessaE fuck it, I'll just tail the log.
00:02 VanessaE ok, it's back up\
00:02 PilzAdam sokomine, also, 800x600 FTW!
00:02 sokomine i do use icewm. it's less annoying. can be operated with the keyboard and is able to display xterms on multiple virtual desktops. that's all it takes
00:02 sokomine :-)
00:03 sokomine at least this console font seems conftable
00:03 PilzAdam you can play Diablo2 LOD on it
00:03 codedevil how to add server to favorites?
00:03 sokomine that happens automaticly, codedevil
00:03 PilzAdam codedevil, it gets automatically added when you connect
00:03 PilzAdam you can edit client/<something I cant remember>/favoriteserver.txt
00:04 PilzAdam something I cant remember = serverlist
00:04 VanessaE serverlist is useless though since it doesn't store passwords :(
00:05 sokomine hm, ah, ok, and icewm now mirrors the display. not exactly what's desired. perhaps i ought to try my old xorg.conf
00:05 sokomine at least you don't have to remember ports and ips anymore like with older mt versions
00:05 VanessaE PilzAdam: water is behaving properly, but lava just doesn't wanna move.  maybe that value is also tied in somehow to liquids' viscosity?
00:06 codedevil VanessaE: lava flows
00:06 khonkhortisan I refuse to exit the client to add a name to an ip
00:06 VanessaE damma, I lost my place
00:06 VanessaE dammit*
00:06 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, Lua menu will fix it
00:06 khonkhortisan ok
00:07 PilzAdam VanessaE, do you have the debug output compiled in now?
00:07 VanessaE yes but I'm not seeing anything of interest.
00:10 PilzAdam doesnt every client get errorstream messages?
00:10 VanessaE I see no messages
00:11 codedevil VanessaE: the problem is that it always animates the first blocks
00:11 codedevil this is unfair
00:11 VanessaE yes
00:11 VanessaE that seems to be the case alright
00:11 codedevil it should flow random blocks if the queue is too long
00:11 codedevil PilzAdam: how to update my git working directory with your newest commits?
00:12 codedevil PilzAdam: why you keep grieffing my buildings
00:12 codedevil I though it's non griefing server
00:13 PilzAdam it was ;-)
00:13 VanessaE whoa, all of a sudden stuff just started flowing
00:13 VanessaE what happened just now?
00:13 codedevil removing/adding lava blocks below
00:13 VanessaE ah
00:13 PilzAdam are you sure you have the debug output compiled in?
00:13 codedevil PilzAdam: stop griefing my buildings k?
00:14 VanessaE yep, it's there
00:14 codedevil VanessaE: can I get a protected zone on that server?
00:14 VanessaE commit 446225607c5dd540c4a84696093ec5b0aaf24c70
00:14 VanessaE Author: PilzAdam <pilzadam@minetest.net>
00:14 VanessaE Date:   Sat Jun 8 23:58:41 2013 +0000
00:14 VanessaE Add debug output
00:14 VanessaE was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like ix.io or pastebin.ubuntu.com.
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00:14 VanessaE stupid bot.
00:14 PilzAdam have you restarted the server after compiling?
00:15 VanessaE yep, pretty sure I did.  lemme re-do that just to be sure
00:15 VanessaE done and restarted.
00:16 PilzAdam now trigger some liquid updates
00:17 VanessaE nothin.
00:17 VanessaE this isn't going into the log I guess?
00:19 PilzAdam the liquids react normal, so keep triggering more updates
00:20 VanessaE I'm not getting any related message at all
00:21 PilzAdam whats the output of /set liquid
00:21 VanessaE it is not set.
00:21 VanessaE so I guess 500 or whatever you defauled to
00:21 VanessaE defaulted*
00:21 PilzAdam set it to 1
00:21 VanessaE set.
00:22 VanessaE water's still moving?
00:22 VanessaE so it lava
00:22 VanessaE sloooowly
00:22 VanessaE is*
00:22 VanessaE server load is up a bit, around 40% now, but that's probably people signing in/out
00:23 PilzAdam set it to 0
00:23 VanessaE set
00:23 PilzAdam still flowing
00:23 VanessaE stuff is still moving
00:23 PilzAdam man, what the fuck
00:23 PilzAdam just recheck that use my code
00:24 VanessaE hm
00:24 VanessaE vanessa@rainbird:~/Minetest-Textures-and-mods/minetest_engine$ grep -i "breaking" /usr/bin/minetestserver
00:24 VanessaE nothing.
00:25 VanessaE oh you son of a ...
00:25 Exio /usr
00:25 VanessaE the fucking thing installed to /usr/local/bin
00:25 Exio wat
00:25 Exio hahahahahaha
00:25 VanessaE WHY is this default on debian systems!?
00:26 PilzAdam 1) use run in place
00:26 PilzAdam 2) done
00:26 Exio ^ exactly
00:27 VanessaE vanessa@rainbird:~/Minetest-Textures-and-mods/minetest_engine$ grep -i "breaking" /usr/bin/minetestserver
00:27 VanessaE Binary file /usr/bin/minetestserver matches
00:27 VanessaE better.
00:27 VanessaE and it's back up.  and now I know for sure it's running your patches :)
00:27 VanessaE 20:27:43: ERROR[ServerThread]: Breaking liquid update loop at 6 iterations; TODO: 5
00:27 PilzAdam finally
00:28 VanessaE 26...50...83...105...112...117...118...127...131...133...146
00:28 VanessaE it's counting upward at a rare of about 20/sec
00:28 VanessaE rate*
00:28 VanessaE and it's peaked at 500.
00:29 VanessaE server load is random as usual
00:29 VanessaE 18% to 40%, seems to want to hover at around 25%
00:29 PilzAdam set it to 2000 or so
00:29 VanessaE set.
00:29 Exio i don't know what is really wrong with something using 100% of the cpu
00:30 PilzAdam now find a value that doesnt increase your cpu load too much
00:30 VanessaE CPU load went down to about 15-20%
00:30 VanessaE iterations are at around 200 now
00:31 VanessaE server load is about 20-25%
00:31 VanessaE whoa, 50-60% there
00:31 PilzAdam 200 oO
00:31 VanessaE 1200-odd now
00:32 VanessaE server's in the 50-60% CPU range at the moment
00:32 VanessaE 77%
00:32 VanessaE 84%
00:32 VanessaE it's spiking high now
00:32 PilzAdam so, 1200 is the limit?
00:32 VanessaE I think between 500-1000 is a good reasonable limit
00:33 VanessaE let's see what happens at 750
00:33 VanessaE seems to be about 50-60% at this setting
00:33 VanessaE liquids are still flowing, so I can probably turn it down some
00:34 VanessaE gotta wait for people to stop joining/leaving the server so I can see where it really sits
00:34 PilzAdam liquids need some seconds to react at this setting
00:34 VanessaE 500 seems to be too low
00:35 sokomine quite a lot of load
00:35 PilzAdam the current master hardcoded value is 10000
00:35 VanessaE let's go with 1000 as the default, and randomize the block flowing order
00:36 VanessaE (as codedevil suggested)
00:36 PilzAdam why would you randomize it?
00:36 PilzAdam its a queue
00:36 VanessaE in fact, let's see how it behaves with a value of 500 and randomized blocks
00:36 VanessaE because if the queue gets full, nothing else flows, so the queue needs to be filled randomly
00:36 PilzAdam the queue cant be full
00:37 VanessaE ack, server CPU is spiking to 100% now
00:37 PilzAdam it always updates the first 500 (or whatever you set) nodes
00:37 VanessaE exactly.
00:37 VanessaE it should be populated from randomly-chosen blocks
00:37 PilzAdam if they want to enqueue themselves again, the are at the end again
00:37 PilzAdam +y
00:37 VanessaE it's set to 500 now, btw
00:38 VanessaE CPu load is spiking between 50 and 100%
00:39 VanessaE just noticed the "TODO" count hitting around 2000 just now
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00:40 codedevil shouldn't lava set trees on fire?
00:40 VanessaE ordinarily it would
00:40 VanessaE but I have fire disabled.
00:40 PilzAdam /set disable_fire false
00:40 VanessaE PilzAdam: actually I just don't have the fire mod installed
00:40 VanessaE (this predates the disable_fire setting)
00:41 PilzAdam anyway, its waaaaaaay to late here
00:41 PilzAdam good night
00:42 VanessaE I wish hadn't signed out yet,
00:44 VanessaE (I was gonna advise him to clean up those commits enough to push them to master real quick)
00:44 VanessaE ok... a value of 500 seems to be good, for my server anyway.
00:44 VanessaE it's staying under 40% most of the time now, which is where I prefer it to be :)
00:44 VanessaE we need to work on multithreading anything and everything we can (that would benefit from it)
00:47 Exio are you sure?
00:47 Exio i'm not sure how that would work with scripts using flowing liquids and "so on"
00:48 VanessaE well
00:48 VanessaE something has to be done anyway
00:48 VanessaE besides, nothing says it has to affect Lua
00:48 VanessaE holy shit!  20:48:44: ERROR[ServerThread]: Breaking liquid update loop at 500 iterations; TODO: 62878
00:48 VanessaE good thing I capped it at 500
00:49 VanessaE 68278...96367....108069!\
00:50 VanessaE holy shit
00:50 VanessaE server's at 100% CPU now
00:50 VanessaE but it's responding
00:50 VanessaE slowly.
00:50 sokomine uh oh. here in germany, we had a few real floodings recently. need a bit of water? :-)
00:50 VanessaE 119000 now
00:51 VanessaE 143000
00:52 VanessaE 247000
00:52 VanessaE we have a problem here.
00:53 VanessaE 258000
00:53 VanessaE and the server's jammed at 100%.
00:53 codedevil VanessaE: why it's at 100% of it stops the updates
00:53 VanessaE 268000 and a brief flurry of updates and still locked at 100%
00:53 sokomine sounds really bad if there's so much waiting to float around
00:54 VanessaE 278k now
00:54 codedevil maybe it rained in the hills
00:55 VanessaE 306k
00:55 VanessaE all of a sudden it knocked 80k off the TODO count at the moment it let me in
00:56 VanessaE and right back up again.  313k
00:56 VanessaE something else must be slowing it down
00:56 codedevil what your computer is doing?
00:57 VanessaE nothing.
00:57 codedevil whats the hardware
00:57 VanessaE I'm just sitting here watching the debug output
00:57 codedevil would be good to debug who add's stuff to that queue
00:57 VanessaE no unusual disk activity, server's using about 240MB, and sitting at 100% CPU
00:59 VanessaE 405k now
00:59 codedevil Question
00:59 codedevil what the fuck is 'evil shovel'
00:59 VanessaE it's something Nekogloop originally created
00:59 VanessaE not sure what's so special about it, it's just another shovel with a silly name :)
01:00 VanessaE server finally dropped to a reasonable CPU load, but has 500k stacked up in TODO now.
01:00 Exio what are you doing for "triggering that"?
01:00 VanessaE nothing, I'm just standing at the spawn
01:00 Exio codedevil: you?
01:00 VanessaE back to 100% again
01:01 VanessaE and back to 20-40%
01:01 VanessaE it's up and down and going batshit insane :)
01:01 Exio make_cpu_usage(random())
01:01 Exio :D
01:01 VanessaE no one has signed in or out since I last signed on
01:01 Exio VanessaE: just doing, nothing?
01:02 VanessaE I'm just standing here, occasionally looking in different directions
01:02 VanessaE 560k now
01:02 Exio but i mean, only you doing nothing? wow
01:02 VanessaE well there are two others on
01:02 VanessaE twoelk and codedevil
01:03 codedevil yes?
01:03 Exio what are you doing?
01:03 codedevil Im mining blocks
01:03 Exio something with water?
01:03 codedevil no
01:03 Exio k
01:03 VanessaE codedevil: just routine digging?
01:03 codedevil with my evil pi
01:03 codedevil with my evil pix
01:03 VanessaE are you anywhere near that big fountain?
01:05 VanessaE I set the queue to 20000 and suddenly the todo emptied
01:05 VanessaE (set it back to 250 already)
01:06 VanessaE so clearly there needs to be a way for that todo queue to just empty out from time to time
01:06 Exio maybe you can set it to a lower number
01:06 Exio and make liquid_update = 0.25
01:06 Exio or so
01:06 VanessaE maybe every few seconds it should get reset to 0 if it's above some amount
01:06 Exio so the "same work" gets shared in the single thread
01:06 VanessaE liquid_update
01:06 VanessaE ?
01:06 Exio the time between liquid updates
01:06 codedevil VanessaE: no, im far from liquids.
01:07 codedevil unless there are lava in caves nearby
01:07 khonkhortisan print(dump({[{x=3}] = 4})) minetest/bin/../builtin/misc_helpers.lua:60: attempt to concatenate local 'k' (a table value)
01:08 VanessaE khonkhortisan: oh that's about as useful as tits on a bull :)
01:09 khonkhortisan t[#t+1] = "" .. k .. " = " .. dump(v, dumped)
01:09 khonkhortisan easy enough to fix
01:14 codedevil VanessaE: can I get protection for my region?
01:14 VanessaE sure
01:14 VanessaE coords?
01:14 codedevil my current location
01:15 codedevil 20000,0,20000  +/- 50
01:15 VanessaE ok
01:16 codedevil you know what would make your server x3 more interesting imo?
01:16 VanessaE what>
01:16 khonkhortisan merge this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/764
01:16 codedevil turn off inventory, so people have actually to get/make materials
01:16 codedevil then making a diamond something is really impressive
01:16 Exio codedevil: survival instead of creative; you mean
01:17 khonkhortisan no inventory means no materials ever
01:17 codedevil Exio: yea
01:17 codedevil khonkhortisan: mining...?
01:17 khonkhortisan "creative inventory"
01:17 khonkhortisan you mine, it falls into your pocket, you never see it again
01:17 VanessaE ok, your area is set.  I've placed yellow wool columns to mark it.
01:18 codedevil k
01:18 codedevil do we have any blocks that do cool stuff?
01:18 codedevil even cactus does no damage..
01:18 khonkhortisan mesecons do cool stuff
01:18 Exio haha
01:18 Exio VanessaE: "/set liquid 30000000" or so
01:18 Exio with liquid_update = 0
01:18 Exio it is insta-flowing for everything :D
01:18 khonkhortisan There is no solid node that is climbable from the next node over
01:18 VanessaE why?
01:19 VanessaE that'll surely kill the server too :)
01:19 codedevil maybe that is idea for another server.
01:19 codedevil anyone knows what evil box does?
01:19 VanessaE evil block does nothing.  it's decorative and emits a small amount of light
01:20 codedevil but it also emits a sound it seems
01:20 VanessaE I've never noticed a sound from it?
01:20 VanessaE nope, no special sound in the code.
01:20 VanessaE something else is making the sound you're hearing.
01:21 codedevil where you have the code for blocks?
01:22 VanessaE it's in gloopblocks/init.lua
01:22 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4019
01:22 Exio well
01:23 Exio VanessaE: what the "server" does with the flowing liquids is something pseudo-multithreading ;P
01:23 Exio multisingle
01:23 VanessaE Exio: if it doesn't propagate to other cores, it ain't truly multi-threaded :)
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01:24 Exio "pseudo" and "multisingle"
01:24 codedevil nice.. uhm... avatar
01:24 VanessaE ?
01:27 codedevil on the forums
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01:28 codedevil now this might be offtopic, but I get that your spause supports the invasion of iraq?
01:29 codedevil if that is the case, big thank you from all the raped&murdered children. At least the invisible Weapons of mAss destruction where found... ;)
01:30 codedevil please keep supporting when my country is also being destroy^H "liberated" one day
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01:33 * codedevil thought even most dumb fascist idiots would by now realize in general murder and starting war is bad thing
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01:46 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
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01:59 Octupus Hi
02:02 Octupus No one here
02:02 ShadowNinja Hello!
02:03 khonkhortisan "howdy folks" "Hi"
02:03 ShadowNinja Octupus: Sometimes there is a lot of activity, sometimes not...
02:04 Octupus Yes ik I am a 2 year member of this irc channel but I haven't been very active
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02:16 thefamilygrog66 Maybe I'm just slow tonight, but I don't really understand most of the comments on my new mod's thread... o.O
02:16 Octupus Can I read un
02:17 thefamilygrog66 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6214
02:19 Octupus I understand them perfectly
02:20 thefamilygrog66 Okay, why did the first reply "comment out the part that makes the egg appear randomly"? I'm not sure which "original" they're referring to.
02:22 Octupus Comment stands for take out and original means probably another spawning egg mod out there in the forums
02:23 VanessaE probably the mobs mod jordan4ibanez originally wrote
02:24 VanessaE (which peaceful_npc was taken from)
02:24 thefamilygrog66 Okay, but I still don't understand why they would remove the part of the mod that produces one of the crucial ingredients for the rest of the mod to function.
02:25 thefamilygrog66 Unless you're playing in creative mode, it doesn't make sense to me...
02:26 thefamilygrog66 Also, my mod only works with PilzAdam's mod.
02:37 Octupus Can't help you with that I'm just here to help I forgot everything il about code
02:41 Octupus Maybe the commenter doesn't want it able to spawn from anyone only for mods/admin so it doesn't become to much of a problem
02:44 thefamilygrog66 Yeah, that kinda makes sense. My son was playing minecraft today and showed me the spawning eggs in that, so I figured I'd attempt to do something similar in minetest.
02:46 Octupus Ah
02:46 thefamilygrog66 If owners already have mobs appearing in their world, I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make if people could craft them with randomly spawning eggs. Aside from placing them in other players' homes, as one commenter mentioned, I guess.
02:49 codedevil how you use the generators/batteries?
02:49 codedevil is mese cone the new redstone?
02:50 khonkhortisan minecraft is to redstone as minetest is to mesecons
02:53 codedevil so I places coal-generator and musicbox
02:54 codedevil placed mesecons under, but they seem not connected
02:54 codedevil khonkhortisan:  can you look? im at VanessaE's server near spawn
02:54 khonkhortisan I think a generator is from technic, which has its own power system. Mesecons are a logic system.
02:55 codedevil how to connect things generaotr-battery
02:55 codedevil and generator(?)-musicbox
03:02 khonkhortisan there's a chainlink door that I can't close while holding a node
03:07 thefamilygrog66 homedecor, khonkhortisan?
03:08 VanessaE is your copy up-to-date?
03:11 khonkhortisan my copy? :P it's your copy!
03:12 khonkhortisan node_ownership interferes
03:17 VanessaE :P
03:17 VanessaE oh that would do it then
03:18 khonkhortisan but I can open it just fine
03:19 khonkhortisan the place I would build if the door didn't steal the right click moves in and out of the owned area - but with the door stealing it, it wouldn't be placed anyway - but node_ownership steals it first
03:23 ungali_mobile af
03:23 ungali_mobile scratch that
03:23 khonkhortisan fa - lala
03:23 khonkhortisan lalala la
03:24 ungali_mobile la la?
03:25 thefamilygrog66 deck the halls
03:25 khonkhortisan yeah
03:25 Octupus The halls
03:26 Octupus With bounds of holly
03:26 ungali_mobile trim the evening gowns a fully
03:26 Octupus Fa lalala
03:27 ungali_mobile la la la la
03:27 * Octupus forgot the rest
03:28 codedevil in technic plugin, you know how to play music?
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03:28 ungali_mobile you just sing it
03:29 codedevil ungali_mobile: ?
03:29 codedevil ungali_mobile: look at spawn at vanesas server
03:29 VanessaE codedevil: new picture taken today, in case you're curious:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/extra/2013-06-08-0004a.jpg
03:29 VanessaE (finally got the guts to update it)
03:29 VanessaE offtopic ^^^
03:31 codedevil ah ok
03:32 codedevil why the music player doesnt play?
03:32 codedevil on spwan
03:33 VanessaE no music files.
03:33 VanessaE I never loaded any
03:33 codedevil oh
03:33 codedevil well, load some
03:33 codedevil there are not copyrighted files on the Internet
03:34 codedevil so that the brave Our Troops will not kill us too if we play them ;)
03:34 codedevil copyleft music, etc
03:36 VanessaE music is bandwidth-expensive.
03:38 thefamilygrog66 is it possible to use midi files, VanessaE, or just ogg format?
03:38 VanessaE only ogg.
03:38 thefamilygrog66 'cause midi files would use up a heckuva lot less bandwidth...
03:38 thefamilygrog66 drag
03:40 thefamilygrog66 I'd like to have a server that played only the music from Forbidden Forest, just to keep the players anxious :)
03:40 NakedFury always play stressful music?
03:40 thefamilygrog66 joking, that game used to freak me out as  a kid
03:41 thefamilygrog66 do you remember that one V?
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03:41 NakedFury https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpkc7GvvrdM
03:41 VanessaE vaguely but I never played it
03:42 NakedFury click the link familygrogg
03:42 thefamilygrog66 Haha, that's the one!
03:43 khonkhortisan love the antialiasing
03:43 khonkhortisan that's so old
03:43 * thefamilygrog66 is so old
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03:52 * VanessaE pokes thefamilygrog66
03:52 thefamilygrog66 is this thing on?
03:52 thefamilygrog66 haha
03:52 VanessaE no ;)
04:22 VanessaE bbl
04:23 khonkhortisan 21:22:29: ERROR[main]: A serialization error occurred:
04:23 khonkhortisan 21:22:29: ERROR[main]: Player::deSerialize(): PlayerArgsEnd not found
04:23 khonkhortisan 21:22:29: ERROR[main]: The server is probably  running a different version of Minetest.
04:25 khonkhortisan blanked players/singleplayer
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04:58 khonkhortisan aha! I was defining table.copy in commonlib, but it was overrided by a globally leaked version in worldedit!
05:07 khonkhortisan Now I know why it's a bad idea to extend standard namespaces like table
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05:49 sfan5 hello
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05:50 MarkTwain Hi
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06:14 MarkTwain Hello everyone!
06:15 MarkTwain I have irssi
06:16 MarkTwain PilzAdam, everyone else who bannedme
06:16 MarkTwain I am in the console and find it much better than webchat :)
06:16 MarkTwain I need a better browser that elinks though
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06:27 reactor Hello.
06:28 reactor I wonder, will it run well CPU rendered?
06:28 VanessaE depends on how fast your box is but usually not too well
06:28 VanessaE (most 3d games won't)
06:29 reactor Mkay. I think I'll try adding it to pkgsrc.
06:59 reactor Eh. libxxf86vm.
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07:06 Tsproggy Hello all, this is the first time I've heard about minetest
07:06 MarkTwain PING
07:06 Tsproggy PONG
07:07 MarkTwain Hello there newcomer
07:07 Tsproggy Hi
07:07 VanessaE hi
07:07 MarkTwain Not so new, not like a n00b :)
07:07 Tsproggy I was going to ask if minetest's api would let me mod in C or C#?
07:07 MarkTwain No, just lua
07:07 VanessaE only Lua.
07:07 Tsproggy ooh, that's still great.
07:07 MarkTwain Maybe c for client
07:07 Tsproggy awesome, thanks
07:07 Tsproggy I like Lua anyway :)
07:07 VanessaE but C++ patches to the engine are welcome
07:07 MarkTwain however i am no expert
07:07 Tsproggy meh, I could do C++ but I like C and C#
07:07 Tsproggy most comfortable with C# :/
07:08 VanessaE if you see something Lua can't do efficiently, discuss it with the core devs and see what they say. \
07:08 Tsproggy nice, will do
07:08 Tsproggy Eh, is there a building height restriction in minetest?
07:08 VanessaE you won't find any C# stuff here :)
07:08 Tsproggy haha
07:08 VanessaE nope; the map stops at just shy of +31000 though
07:08 Tsproggy awesome
07:09 Tsproggy eh, what about gravity?
07:09 VanessaE (and goes down to just shy of -31000)
07:09 VanessaE gravity is the same at all heights
07:09 Tsproggy Oh yea, I'll be definatly making something for this haha
07:09 VanessaE but it can be controlled
07:09 reactor Stratospheric flights.
07:10 Tsproggy I switched over to Linux today for the final time :) trying to find a project. Think I found it!
07:10 Tsproggy Love that my distro came with an IRC client built in also heh
07:10 Tsproggy Thank you for answering my questions I really appreciate it. I'm going to start tinkering!
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07:11 VanessaE XChat Is Your Friend â„¢
07:11 john_minetest HexChat Is Your Friend (GPL)
07:21 reactor Ehm.
07:21 reactor If the package is supposed to fetch sources, is github the only option?
07:21 reactor Are there snapshots of certain version?
07:21 VanessaE I believe so
07:21 VanessaE (github that is).. and that's the best option
07:22 VanessaE there are version tags in the repo though
07:22 reactor Besides, there are two distfiles, as far as I get it.
07:22 khonkhortisan you can specify a commit/tag when getting sources
07:22 MarkTwain Anyone use E to fly down?
07:23 VanessaE I do/.
07:23 khonkhortisan I use that button on the keyboard, yes.
07:25 reactor So... hmm. I'm rather confused. It seems the package system is only capable of getting one distfile a time.
07:27 reactor I get it it's not possible to build them separately?
07:27 VanessaE built what separately?
07:28 VanessaE build*
07:28 reactor Rather, the engine without the game is, but the game without the engine is not.
07:28 reactor The... packages.
07:28 VanessaE the "game" is just a bunch of Lua code, it doesn't have to be compiled.
07:28 khonkhortisan but it will be compiled
07:28 reactor Oh.
07:28 khonkhortisan as soon as you start a server
07:29 VanessaE the engine is as easy as,  git clone (url w/commit ID here); cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0; make (insert extra flags here); make install
07:29 reactor Interesting. So, it's possible to put it there after builingd?
07:29 VanessaE oh sure
07:29 reactor Good.
07:29 VanessaE mods and game content are routinely done that way
07:29 reactor About git clone thing... as far as my experience goes, there is no such feature in pkgsrc
07:30 VanessaE well I guess you can also download a ZIP of the sources from github
07:30 reactor yep, I do that
07:30 VanessaE same difference either way though
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07:41 Issa Hello World !
07:41 reactor eHll ooWlr d
07:41 reactor !
07:42 sfan5 !rev Hello World
07:42 MinetestBot dlroW olleH
07:43 Issa on this topic --> http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=93983#p93983
07:43 Issa someon show a generation maps
07:44 Issa a code for generation maps, where i can add it to generate it oon my map ?
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07:56 john_minetest !rev derob si em/
07:56 MinetestBot /me is bored
07:57 reactor that... looked Spanish.
07:57 john_minetest Why doesn't it show "MinetestBot is bored"?
07:57 reactor Well, it doesn't send commands... I guess.
07:57 reactor !rev /quit
07:57 MinetestBot tiuq/
07:57 reactor oops.
07:57 john_minetest !rev tsetenim_nhoj op/
07:57 MinetestBot /po john_minetest
07:57 reactor !rev tiuq/
07:57 MinetestBot /quit
07:58 john_minetest !rev tsetenim_nhoj po/
07:58 MinetestBot /op john_minetest
07:58 john_minetest :(
07:58 reactor Ha.
07:58 reactor !rev rotcaer o+ edom/
07:58 MinetestBot /mode +o reactor
07:58 reactor rotcaer.
08:00 khonkhortisan !rev nasitrohknohk kcik/
08:00 MinetestBot /kick khonkhortisan
08:00 reactor !help
08:00 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
08:00 reactor Oh yeah.
08:00 khonkhortisan !rev toBtseteniM iH
08:00 MinetestBot Hi MinetestBot
08:01 reactor Hmm.
08:01 reactor Will it build w/o gmake?
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08:14 Issa WTF
08:14 Calinou FTW
08:25 reactor IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR... if I knew what that is.
08:26 Issa if someone wants listen the best skyrim songs cover go here --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSLPH9d-jsI&amp;list=PLzZFPBWYtRrTk3DOQMhM0QLKjD6dTgJ5J
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08:30 reactor Hmm.
08:30 reactor So, could anyone explain where to look for include dirs in cmake files?
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08:37 reactor It seems to look in the wrong place.
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08:45 MarkTwain Hello everyone!
08:46 reactor Hell.o
08:47 reactor So... anyone familiar with CMAKE?
08:49 daspork_ reactor: depends on why you are asking. for troubleshooting the build I cant help you. Using cmake to build something I might.
08:49 reactor oh
08:49 reactor mkay
08:51 daspork_ If you are just trying to add an aditional include path, iirc it handles cflags passed to it like any other tool. search for cmake include directories.
08:51 reactor let me see
08:52 daspork_ actually as i typed that in google a suggested search on the top tagged "from the command line" on the end
08:53 daspork_ You can also set thing like this with ccmake or the gui.
08:54 Issa how do a screenshot ion game ?
08:54 Issa please
08:54 daspork_ f12?
08:55 daspork_ so says the summary when you search for minetest screenshot.
08:58 daspork_ reactor: luck with -INCLUDE=/path?
08:58 MarkTwain #include ?
08:59 reactor Hmm, let me try this.
09:00 daspork_ MarkTwain: I have no idea what you said little man, but it touched my heart.
09:00 MarkTwain lol
09:00 MarkTwain C++ u using?
09:00 MarkTwain i think its #include but dont quote me
09:00 daspork_ nay
09:02 reactor daspork_: no luck eh
09:02 daspork_ Was very lazily trying to help him specify aditional C flags to cmake. I cant get my heart in it though as I have never been able to explain the use of autools or any other build system to someone who didnt already know how it worked.
09:02 reactor oh. wait a second
09:02 reactor not yet
09:04 reactor yeah, no luck
09:04 reactor if you mean passing it as an argument to CMAKE
09:07 daspork_ well according to the docs "CMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH='/crazy/path' cmake .
09:07 reactor trying...
09:08 Issa well
09:08 Issa done
09:09 reactor Hmm, still no luck
09:09 Issa what the word for byzarrre in english
09:09 daspork_ well I tested it and it works so good luck :P
09:09 reactor Issa: "bizzare"
09:09 Issa wired
09:09 Issa wyred
09:09 Issa somthing not normal
09:11 daspork_ reactor: I am curious why and what you have in non standard locations
09:11 reactor well
09:11 reactor they're standard... at least in this system
09:11 reactor I have most includes in /usr/pkg/include
09:12 reactor The problem seems to be only with irrlicht
09:12 Issa it"s dark but see this map generation of minetest
09:12 Issa http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/screenshot48702013.png/
09:12 Issa a big whole
09:12 reactor ...or it's just the first one he encounters it with, and stops, not revealing the rest
09:12 reactor s/he/it/
09:12 reactor d
09:13 reactor ...or it's just the first one it encounters, and stops, not revealing the rest
09:13 reactor pardon my bad English
09:15 daspork_ And you being purposefully evasive about what system you are using, or is it like lfs or something?
09:16 reactor No.
09:17 reactor Well, I don't usually tell the OS name if I'm not explicitly asked, what you've just done. It's NetBSD.
09:17 reactor If you wonder about the reasoning behind running it, well. I'm really into its documentation.
09:17 daspork_ Well making someone who is trying to help you grag info out of you is prob not the greatest strat.
09:17 reactor I'm sorry about that.
09:17 daspork_ The assumptions are all yours, im using pcbsd....
09:18 reactor What packages system?
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09:18 reactor (what I'm trying to do right now is adding a package to pkgsrc)
09:19 daspork_ I generally either build ports with the pbi builder or I install in my home directory. As a general rule I dont touch the / after install
09:19 reactor yep, same here, everything beside the base system goes into /usr
09:20 reactor or, rather, /usr/pkg/
09:20 reactor hence the include path
09:20 Issa Fuuuuuuuu
09:20 Issa i dead and i lost all my stufffffff
09:20 reactor That's one strange problem, for pkgsrc usually takes care of the include paths.
09:20 Issa fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
09:21 Issa sorry
09:21 daspork_ Well you say it cant find the path, but you havent said if thats in the generation of the makefile or the build or what
09:23 daspork_ I dont even know if bsd is claimed to be supported.
09:23 daspork_ I use a gentoo jail for this crap.
09:24 reactor it's cmake that can't find the icludes
09:25 reactor includes*
09:25 daspork_ well as mentioned 'ccmake .' if its installed will let you edit the paths in a curses gui.
09:26 reactor hmm
09:26 daspork_ I dont think most bsd flavours come with bash as defaut shell and I have no idea how other things handle env vars
09:26 reactor my goal is automating the build
09:27 reactor I have bash, not as build shell, though
09:27 daspork_ whats a 'build shell'
09:27 reactor I mean, eh.
09:27 reactor the build system uses sh
09:29 daspork_ I have no doubt that you would prob have already solved it had you started at the top of the docs and started reading though :P
09:30 daspork_ GL homes
09:32 reactor yep
09:33 reactor I guess I'm gonna immerse myself in CMAKE docs then... eh.
09:34 daspork_ heh, well all you need to do is figure out how to add aditional CFLAGS='-I/path' :P
09:34 reactor well, I've tried that
09:35 reactor but CFLAGS affect CC, not CMAKE
09:35 daspork_ Well if the path was added and it didnt work, you have other problems
09:35 reactor and CMAKE will still fail, and make the build process fail, too
09:36 reactor guess I'll have to patch some of the files in cmake/
09:36 daspork_ Well CPPFLAGS or whatever is what you need, but I think most respect both.
09:37 reactor also, if you wonder what certain var is failing: IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR
09:37 daspork_ yeah you can :P
09:37 reactor after all, most packages in pkgsrc contain two-three patches
09:38 daspork_ See im waxing and waning on wanting to help. Im afraid anything I do is gonna lead to more questions cause if you havent searched for cmake verbose I question if you can complete the task (no offense intended)
09:39 reactor Yep, I'm rather new.
09:40 daspork_ well typing 'man cmake' is a good start
09:40 daspork_ '/' opens a search
09:41 reactor yep, been there
09:41 reactor cmake seems a whole new language to learn, so I think the thing's gonna be stalled till I have a bigger chunk of time to dedicate
09:42 daspork_ well if setting the env var CMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH doesnt do it for you, your problem lies in the path you are specifying or something else
09:44 daspork_ or the CMakeLists is just horrible (I looked at for 3 secs and closed it as fast as I could)
09:45 reactor They're pretty confusing, to say the lease.
09:45 reactor s/se/st/
09:48 reactor Hmm.
09:48 reactor Got something.
09:48 daspork_ Well you have compounding problems. You are using an odd platform without the skill to conform to it. Its a reductive answer but use something with round edges.
09:49 reactor Well, I've been using it successfully for almost a year.
09:50 reactor No problems whatsoever, it's just developing for it I'm new to.
09:52 daspork_ I mean here is a for instance. The netbsd docs say the default shell is csh for users and ksh for root :P
09:52 reactor oh yeah, all I needed is the -D arg
09:52 reactor no no
09:52 reactor not always
09:52 reactor it's set according to your preferences in sysinst
09:53 reactor may be sh, csh or ksh
09:53 reactor anything else is installed from packages
09:53 reactor not sure about ksh, though
09:54 daspork_ do you know what default means?
09:54 reactor set by default in /etc/passwd
09:54 reactor if wrong, I don't.
09:55 daspork_ no i asked if you knew what the word default means.
09:55 reactor Ah.
09:55 daspork_ Something that cant be changed I dont think could technically have a default. So I now surmise you changed you shell to a featureless shell on purpose?
09:56 reactor When something is used for some task, when nothing is explicitly chosen to be used for that.
09:56 reactor Then they say it's used by default.
09:57 reactor I know what default means, can't explain, though, being limited by my English.
09:57 reactor No, sh is used by default for compatibility reasons.
09:57 daspork_ No thats aplicable, if not set otherwise thats whats used.
09:57 reactor Beside, bash is bigger.
09:57 reactor Yes, exactly what I meant, daspork_.
09:58 daspork_ No thats what I said and you explained to me it could be changed. but anyway
09:58 reactor I only use bash for interactive sessions.
09:59 daspork_ So you were typing these commands into a script?
10:03 reactor no.
10:03 daspork_ ok just asking.
10:03 reactor Man, it's the buildsystem that performas all these commands for me.
10:03 reactor I just gotta give it proper information.
10:04 reactor build system*
10:04 daspork_ So you were using bash in an interactive session to issue these commands
10:04 reactor yes
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10:04 * daspork_ shakes his head.
10:04 reactor no diff
10:04 reactor env vars in bash and sh
10:05 daspork_ Yeah none, but thats not what you told me when I asked.
10:05 reactor well, I aren't using env
10:05 reactor instead, the -D arg
10:06 daspork_ yeah I saw it in the man page you said you read, but I wasnt sure how it effected to build.
10:07 daspork_ Well I dont know what not using env is....
10:09 daspork_ anyway I was able to point the minetest build to a custom build of irr in ~/.local with the env var. /me shrugs
10:13 Issa player  move too fast resetinf position
10:13 Issa how stop this message please ?
10:14 reactor daspork_: yep, guess it needed a cache entry rather than an env var.
10:14 reactor gotta run, see you in some hours
10:14 daspork_ No both work, you have a busted env
10:14 daspork_ and you are welcome for wasting my time with icomplete and wrong information.
10:15 daspork_ And I declare im helping no one else. :P
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10:15 MarkTwain Hello
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10:17 MarkTwain How do i set a message?
10:20 Morrolan A part message? Most clients support '/part #channel message_goes_here'. And most clients also allow you to choose a default message.
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10:21 MarkTwain HELLO!!
10:21 MarkTwain Did it work?
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10:29 MarkTwain john_minetest
10:29 MarkTwain Can you suggest me some mods?
10:30 MarkTwain in the [money, skins, building_blocks] category
10:30 Morrolan If you wanted 'HELLO!!' to be your part message then yes, it worked.
10:30 MarkTwain okay, good
10:31 john_minetest MarkTwain: [edudrugs] and [sboots]
10:31 MarkTwain OMPLDR
10:31 MarkTwain and sboots are a bit wrong
10:31 MarkTwain i have 2 commands to kill people
10:33 MarkTwain Whats the 'client' folder for
10:33 john_minetest I can try to find edudrugs and sboots on my pc
10:33 MarkTwain okay
10:35 john_minetest I just ate the "Wonderberry", a berry that makes everything sour tasting sweet. So funny.
10:36 john_minetest This is the one :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synsepalum_dulcificum
10:56 sfan5 aaand I crashed chrome again by dragging a tab
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10:58 Taoki Anyone know why old mods are apparently no longer listed and I get an error on existing world they can no longer be loaded?
10:58 Taoki I have them in mods/minetest/mod_folder
10:59 sfan5 Taoki: do you use 0.4.7?
10:59 Taoki sfan5: Latest GIT
10:59 sfan5 so, yes
10:59 Taoki What needs to be changed?
10:59 sfan5 mods are now in mods/ not in mods/<gameid>
10:59 Taoki Hmmm. How are they separated per game then?
11:03 Taoki Also: Mods that worked are now getting this error: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8Azc5SqC
11:04 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:04 Taoki hi
11:04 Taoki sfan5: Any idea what that one is caused by?
11:05 PilzAdam Taoki, add default to depends.txt of the mod
11:06 Taoki Thanks, I didn't have a depends.txt so that's why
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11:22 john_minetest hi PilzAdam
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11:33 Zeg9 Hi john_minetest, PilzAdam
11:34 Taoki For everyone who agreed with having the Moonflower in Minetest: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/175
11:35 Zeg9 Is there any poll about adding it somewhere?
11:35 john_minetest Hi Zeg9
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11:36 Taoki Dunno. Anyway I think it's a nice addition and could go well.
11:37 Taoki RBA spoke with the devs and told me they agree with adding it. I think it's a nice idea hence why I implement it :)
11:38 john_minetest Yeah. A Moonflower is something new. Something minecraft doesn't have. +1
11:38 PilzAdam we do not agree with adding it
11:39 PilzAdam read the logs of -dev
11:39 PilzAdam bbl
11:39 Zeg9 Or most likely: you do not agree with adding it
11:40 Taoki hehe
11:40 Taoki Prolly old logs, couldn't find them
11:40 Taoki For some reason I'm not surprised, even if I can't think what there wouldn't be to like
11:41 Taoki Anyway, the commit to adapt it with Flowers mod is there, so the other devs can take the choice they wish
11:42 Taoki Most people seem to like it too
11:43 Zeg9 http://poll.pollcode.com/fne2o
11:44 Zeg9 dont think much people will vote there, but well, thats a try...
11:53 MarkTwain I need a mod for a castle
11:53 MarkTwain An old fashioned castl
11:56 Taoki I have a node which shows a formspec when you right-click it. Is there a way to make that require a privillege, and when the user doesn't have it make him get a message instead of the form-spec?
11:56 Taoki *Right-click it from in-world as a node
11:57 MarkTwain if minetest.check_privs(priv=true) or simething#
11:59 Zeg9 Taoki: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1024
11:59 Taoki Thanks. Question is, how do I bind a formspec to it? That's defined with the node and constant
12:00 Taoki meta:set_string("formspec", ...)
12:00 Zeg9 locked chests use minetest.show_formspec
12:00 Zeg9 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1099
12:00 Taoki ^ In the node's definition
12:00 Taoki Yeah, don't think I can use that in my case
12:00 Zeg9 The formspec in meta is available to all players
12:01 MarkTwain if check_privs then
12:01 Taoki I had a label in the formspec which I modify dynamically. Will see if that still works
12:01 MarkTwain show_formspec
12:01 MarkTwain else:
12:01 MarkTwain minetest.chat_send_player("")
12:04 MarkTwain Who wants to build a castle with me?
12:04 MarkTwain A hotel castle!!!
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12:18 Zeg9 Now that 0.4.7 is released, what about this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/166
12:18 Zeg9 !title
12:18 MinetestBot Zeg9: Call on_rightclick from buckets by Zeg9 · Pull Request #166 · minetest/minetest_game · GitHub
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12:22 MarkTwain Hmmm!
12:23 MarkTwain Maybe!
12:24 MarkTwain where is this minetest repo???
12:26 Issa here --->
12:27 MarkTwain ???
12:28 Issa http://minetest.net/download#source_code
12:28 Issa sorry ctrl c ctrl v not working
12:28 MarkTwain np
12:29 MarkTwain Ive been looking on GitHub!
12:29 MarkTwain it is lol
12:29 Issa https://github.com/minetest/minetest
12:30 MarkTwain Can you help me with a website ?
12:31 MarkTwain also how do i setup a remote media server
12:31 MarkTwain google sites got it
12:34 Issa remote media server
12:34 Issa ?
12:34 Issa what
12:34 Issa re
12:34 Issa lat
12:34 Issa i
12:34 Issa was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
12:42 * Zeg9 thinks of a way to get fire in minetest_game...
12:42 Zeg9 What about lighters made out from bamboo (papyrus)
12:44 Taoki Hmm. No that I'm using minetest.show_formspec, on_receive_fields doesn't seem to work any more. Anyone know why?
12:44 Taoki The formspec shows, but clicking the buttons doesn't send info to on_receive_fields any more
12:45 Zeg9 Taoki: iirc it is something like minetest.register_on_player_receive_fields
12:45 Zeg9 the same way as you would do for inventory formspecs
12:46 Taoki Ah. I have register_on_receive_fields without the player. Will fix and test
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12:47 Taoki Still doesn't seem to work
12:51 Zeg9 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L986
12:51 Taoki Zeg9: Can show_formspec be made to return values to the node's on_reveice_fields instead of the function on_player_receive_fields?
12:52 Zeg9 I don't think
12:52 john_minetest Torches could be used to ignite stuff. Rightclick on a block to iginite it.
12:52 Zeg9 Rightclick = place torch lol
12:52 Zeg9 Taoki: you can still call the node's on_receive_fields from on_player_receive_fields though: minetest.registered_nodes['node:name'].on_...
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12:53 Taoki ok. Will think what to do, thanks\
12:53 Zeg9 I think you should use the formname thing
12:53 Octupus Hi
12:53 Zeg9 Hello
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13:18 MarkTwain Anyone want to build a castle with me?
13:21 * Zeg9 hates when the configure menu is not responsive
13:31 MarkTwain does smooth lighting make minetest faster or slower?
13:31 Zeg9 slower if u can notice it
13:32 MarkTwain what does it do
13:33 VanessaE good morning all.
13:37 Zeg9 MarkTwain: try. and see.
13:37 MarkTwain i REALLY need someone to help now
13:38 MarkTwain I did, not worth the bad graphics for 0.001 fps
13:38 MarkTwain I need help to build a good castle
13:39 MarkTwain Not that i cannot build, i need help to get it done faster
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13:42 MarkTwain Brndn
13:42 MarkTwain will you help me?
13:42 Brndn funny, i'm trying to get twain working right now
13:42 Brndn on an old busted x75 that doesn't work with mountain lion, fuck yeah lexmark
13:43 john_minetest MarkTwain: Your computer is fast. I know your stats.
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13:44 MarkTwain i have a netbook lol
13:44 john_minetest 4x1.6 GHz.
13:44 john_minetest I got 1x2.0 GHz.
13:45 john_minetest And I got one FPS.
13:45 MarkTwain i got 40 :)
13:45 MarkTwain used to have 50 but im hosting so slower
13:45 Zeg9 john_minetest: of course if you use soft renderer, with a one core cpu :p
13:45 Zeg9 at least u can run aguisy ;)
13:46 john_minetest Zeg9: OpenGL not work on my graphics card.
13:47 Zeg9 <MarkTwain> minetest takes half an hour [to download] and its 9 MB
13:47 Zeg9 <MarkTwain> connection is fast
13:47 Zeg9 Welcome to my signature :p
13:48 MarkTwain No, to compile!
13:48 Zeg9 Oh.
13:48 MarkTwain lol
13:50 Zeg9 TinyURL of the day: http://tinyurl.com/kcf2va6
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13:51 BlockMen hi
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14:09 john_minetest |-) zzzZZZzzz
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14:11 adel99 give me
14:11 VanessaE give you what?
14:11 adel99 minetest.ltmnet.com
14:11 adel99 to i can build
14:11 Zeg9 There is "please" too
14:12 Jordach adel99, VanessaE does not own that place iirc
14:12 VanessaE ain't mine, no
14:12 adel99 who can give me ?
14:12 adel99 :D
14:12 VanessaE in fact I don't even see that one on the server list
14:13 Zeg9 darkrose is owner there IIRC
14:13 VanessaE oh
14:13 VanessaE darkrose's server
14:13 adel99 SOOMONE HAWE SERVER WITHOUT GRIEFERS
14:13 adel99 ?
14:13 VanessaE ask here:  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5597
14:13 VanessaE adel99: all servers have griefers.
14:13 adel99 :p
14:13 adel99 OK THANK YOU
14:13 VanessaE it's just a fact of life, and depends on the admin to manage that problem.
14:13 adel99 I AM NEW
14:13 VanessaE and don't type in ALL CAPS please.  that's shouting.
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14:15 Calinou <john_minetest> |-) zzzZZZzzz => sleeping banana!
14:17 john_minetest |'''|
14:17 john_minetest |-_-|-)
14:17 john_minetest _____
14:17 VanessaE bart simpson plugging his ear?
14:17 john_minetest |   |
14:17 john_minetest No, banana phone.
14:19 Calinou xonotic 0.7 is out \o/
14:20 Calinou http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1fxyzb/how_do_we_know_that_linux_doesnt_have_a/ + http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1fxg9k/do_more_people_download_linux_distros_after/
14:20 Calinou lol
14:21 Calinou people still believe in spies? they've played too much TF2
14:23 john_minetest Spies exist. James Bond proves it.
14:23 VanessaE I'm pretty sure spies still exist, they just aren't all cloak-and-dagger as depicted in that franchise :)
14:23 adel99 soomebody give me soome server ? 0.3.1
14:23 VanessaE (James Bond I mean)
14:24 VanessaE adel99: as far as I know darkrose's is the only 0.3.1 server.  Everyone else runs at least 0.4.6 (some 0.4.7) now
14:24 adel99 ok
14:24 adel99 :D
14:26 adel99 where is darkrose ?
14:26 adel99 omg
14:26 adel99 i whait
14:26 adel99 it
14:26 VanessaE ask her your questions on that forum thread I pointed you to.
14:26 adel99 i ask
14:27 adel99 but
14:27 VanessaE now you must wait for an answer
14:27 Calinou VanessaE: there is a TF2 item (invisibility watch) named "cloak and dagger" too :P
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14:30 Jordach VanessaE, just saw your latest picture, looking good!
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14:31 VanessaE Jordach: thanks :)
14:33 * john_minetest measures the minetest compile time
14:39 rubenwardy Hi all!
14:39 VanessaE hey ruben
14:40 Zeg9 Hello!
14:40 Jordach hello!
14:40 Jordach <PilzAdam> Hello everyone!"
14:40 Jordach -"
14:40 VanessaE heh
14:41 john_minetest hi rubenwardy
14:41 Jordach while the Adam is away, lets add moonflower in
14:42 VanessaE and my mortar&pestle idea ;)
14:42 PilzAdam the Adam is not away
14:42 Jordach oh shit
14:42 * Jordach runs
14:42 VanessaE SHIT, everyone HIDE!
14:42 rubenwardy Satan is here!
14:42 MarkTwain LOOL
14:43 * Jordach dives for cover and changes class to recon
14:45 BlockMen why does everyone want moonflowers?
14:46 VanessaE some reasonable way is needed to get glowing objects
14:46 VanessaE and glowstone is NOT it
14:46 PilzAdam -> mese
14:47 VanessaE (I'd sooner use mese fragments)
14:47 VanessaE but in the absence of pulverized mese, moonflowers seem reasonable.
14:47 PilzAdam and da fuck have we 3 pull requests for moonflowers?
14:47 PilzAdam +why
14:48 VanessaE beats me
14:48 Jordach mine is clearly the most usable gamewise
14:48 Jordach it has the glowing mese, the glowing dye + the moonflower
14:48 PilzAdam one could say "There are so many pull requests, this shows me that its too controversy -> no merge"
14:49 Jordach /nick DickAdam
14:49 VanessaE No offense, PS, but if one were to say that, one would indeed be a dick.
14:49 VanessaE PA*
14:50 VanessaE that would be like getting rid of all terminal programs in linux just because there are so many
14:50 PilzAdam I would suggest that all the authors of the pull requests sit together and merge their stuff
14:50 VanessaE multiple pull requests for substantially the same item, whatever it is, means people obviously want it.
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14:51 VanessaE so you pick the cleanest one, close the other requests, and tell their respective authors to just offer up additional changes instead of entire replacements
14:51 PilzAdam no, it means that conversation fails
14:51 BlockMen i would prefer mese dust instead of moon flowers
14:51 PilzAdam ^
14:51 VanessaE PilzAdam: conversation fails when you fail to entertain multiple options.
14:52 Exio how rare is the moon flower?
14:52 Calinou VanessaE: the general opinion doesn't understand or want competition, they want 300€ celerons :)
14:52 VanessaE Calinou: heh
14:52 PilzAdam Exio, from what I heard very rare
14:52 Jordach PilzAdam, if you merge Taoki's pull, mine will be changed to fit Taoki's modified moonflowers
14:52 BlockMen mese is already in game and has "special" attributes
14:52 BlockMen so why not using it?
14:52 PilzAdam ^
14:53 Jordach BlockMen == PilzAdam
14:53 MarkTwain khonkhortisan
14:53 MarkTwain U there?
14:53 PilzAdam people already complain that the already existing stuff is only used for one or two things each
14:53 PilzAdam and then they always add new stuff instead of reusing old one
14:53 BlockMen Jordach, lol. best joke ever
14:53 VanessaE PilzAdam: if you keep re-using old stuff, you end up with recipe conflicts, overly-simplistic crafts, etc.
14:54 Exio i would like an use for gravel
14:54 Jordach a*
14:54 Exio wat
14:54 Exio a use?
14:55 BlockMen VanessaE, what are over-simplistic crafts?
14:55 PilzAdam Exio, an use sounds strange, but its correct AFAIK
14:55 VanessaE Exio: general English rule is "an" if the word starts with a 'u', except if it's pronouced as "yoo-" as un "unicorn", "use", "utility", etc.
14:55 Exio oh damn
14:56 Exio can't you pronounce all the words in the same way :<
14:56 Calinou VanessaE: +1, but few people actually remember that :P
14:56 Calinou Exio: this isn't french
14:56 Exio spanish/italian is "u" = "u"
14:56 Exio :>
14:56 VanessaE BlockMen: we've managed to avoid it mostly, but for example in mesecons, two cobble side by side = a pressure plate.  in moreblocks, a glowglass = torch + glass.
14:57 Jordach and it would make the mesecon glowing lamps more sane
14:57 VanessaE Exio: not in English, there's "uh", "oo" and "yoo"
14:57 Exio i know
14:57 Exio and that is why i can't speak it yet :P
14:58 VanessaE Exio: it gets worse when you count up all the other vowels + y :-)
14:58 BlockMen VanessaE, i dont see problems with that in general. and you could use a better recipe for glowglass than torches already (like mese crystal)
14:59 Exio mese crystal doesn't glow
14:59 Jordach YES
14:59 Jordach thank you Exio
14:59 BlockMen Exio, well mese should glow anyway (IMO)
14:59 PilzAdam ^
14:59 Jordach Mese != Glowstonme
15:00 Jordach -m
15:00 VanessaE mese is like friendship (it's "magic")
15:00 VanessaE but it only glows in the mesecons mod.
15:00 VanessaE (and then, only if powered)
15:00 PilzAdam MeseLP?
15:00 BlockMen Jordach, ofc it is not. but its some kind of "special material"
15:00 VanessaE MLMC.
15:00 Exio lol PilzAdam
15:00 Jordach VanessaE, hint: the moonflower would solve quite a few issues
15:00 BlockMen so why net leting it glow?
15:00 VanessaE My Little Mese Crystal
15:00 Calinou ^
15:00 Calinou I was about to say that
15:00 BlockMen better than "glowing flowers"
15:01 Jordach BlockMen, im tired of random ores doing everythinf
15:01 Jordach thing*
15:01 Jordach surface things should also add to the gameplay
15:01 VanessaE Jordach: exactly; like I said I'd still side with mese since we already have it, but flowers are fine too --- the problem is CRAFTING IS TOO SIMPLE.
15:01 Jordach and not just blatantly clone MC
15:01 VanessaE just put my damn mortar and pestle in
15:01 PilzAdam Jordach, we already have farming, flowers, grass
15:01 VanessaE no one's going to complain
15:01 PilzAdam and all ores can currently only be used for tools
15:01 PilzAdam VanessaE, no one == PilzAdam
15:01 BlockMen Jordach, its no "cloning". mese is hard to break, it powers mesecons, etc
15:01 VanessaE PilzAdam: don't be a dictator.
15:02 VanessaE you're not the only one who plays the game :)
15:02 Jordach PilzAdam, continue like this and i will consider taking this to C55
15:02 Jordach </threat>
15:02 PilzAdam Jordach, runs to daddy?
15:02 BlockMen VanessaE, calling PilzAdam dictator is copyrighted by me :P
15:02 Jordach again, BlockMen == PilzAdam
15:02 VanessaE PilzAdam: you are free to *not use it* and instead focus on fricken MiniTest
15:03 BlockMen Jordach, dont be childish
15:03 Zeg9 [/discussion][modding-question]Is there any function to get the world seed?[/modding-question][discussion]
15:03 Jordach Community Repo @ minetest/minetest_game != pilzadam/minetest_game
15:03 Calinou anyway try not to argue over these kinds of things, this is why some FOSS tends to suck today
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15:03 Calinou Jordach: minetest is not community developed, nor is the game developed in a democracy
15:03 Calinou deal with it
15:03 * Calinou puts sunglasses along with PilzAdam
15:04 Calinou Zeg9: it's in (world directory)/map_meta.txt, line "seed"
15:04 Calinou you could use something to read the line
15:04 Zeg9 sounds hacky
15:04 PilzAdam Zeg9, its the only way
15:04 Zeg9 What I want is a unique position to spawn something in the world. Any other way?
15:04 VanessaE Calinou: the issue isn't whether the game is developed under the guise of a democracy.  the issue is where stuff is being rejected "just because I don't like it".
15:05 VanessaE no offense, PA, but that's a piss-poor way to manage a project.
15:05 Calinou Zeg9: ores? :P
15:05 VanessaE Zeg9: plants_lib?
15:05 BlockMen VanessaE, interesting you say that now. Last time i was mentioning this everyone was fine
15:05 Calinou VanessaE: so PilzAdam doesn't like any of the proposed ways?
15:05 VanessaE Calinou: ask him :)
15:05 Calinou aren't there 3 ways to add glowing mese?
15:05 PilzAdam VanessaE, the reason to not add moonflowers is that we have a better way
15:05 PilzAdam i.e. using a already added material
15:05 VanessaE PilzAdam: and that better way is....what?
15:06 VanessaE mese?
15:06 PilzAdam yep
15:06 Zeg9 Calinou, VanessaE: no. It's for spawning a temple and there should be only one in the world
15:06 VanessaE and how do you plan to reduce a mese crystal et.al down to the glowing powder it needs?
15:06 Calinou Zeg9: well, use my hack then :P
15:06 PilzAdam use the fragments
15:06 Exio maybe adding an use for gravel
15:06 VanessaE Zeg9: you'll have to do it the hard way - on_generated and check for specific coords
15:07 Zeg9 Maybe I'll just take a random number the first time it runs and then store it in the world directory
15:07 Exio in a survival-game, for what do you use the gravel? building? it is ugly~!
15:07 VanessaE PilzAdam: no.  mese is a hard plastic-like crystalline substance.  It needs to be pulverized if it's to be used as a glow source.
15:07 BlockMen why not crystal + crystal == powder?
15:07 Exio :(
15:07 VanessaE Exio: a few mods can use gravel to make other stuff
15:08 Exio VanessaE: few
15:08 VanessaE BlockMen: because how do you actually obtain the powder?
15:08 PilzAdam VanessaE, you are too realistic
15:08 Zeg9 Add grinders to the game
15:08 VanessaE crystal + crystal = two crystals.  what do you use to break them down?
15:08 kahrl gravel can be used to climb down a long drop
15:08 Zeg9 dont know how to power these though :p
15:08 VanessaE Zeg9: mortar & pestle
15:08 BlockMen or crystal = powder
15:08 Calinou what kahrl said, along with sand
15:08 Exio kahrl: you can use dirt, cobble, sand, etc :P
15:08 BlockMen and powder melted = fractals
15:08 Calinou Exio: gravity blocks only
15:08 Calinou if there is no wall to build nodes on
15:08 Exio ah
15:08 Exio climb down
15:08 * Zeg9 likes the idea of mortar&pestle
15:08 Exio not up
15:08 Exio sry, didn't read
15:09 VanessaE PilzAdam: if I was being realistic, I'd have several steps to get from a mese block/crystal to e.g. glow glass.
15:09 Zeg9 Gravel is useful to make you craft a shovel
15:09 Jordach the minetest project will fragment if this development line between "likes" and "dislikes"
15:09 VanessaE I'm not being "realistic", I'm being "reasonable".
15:10 Calinou Jordach: ...and it's still too hard to add reclocking to nouveau.
15:10 Calinou there, sentence ended for you
15:10 Jordach -...and it's still too hard to add reclocking to nouveau.
15:10 PilzAdam VanessaE, one thing that I would call a "goal" for me is simple crafting recipes
15:10 Jordach and thats why were going to flop
15:11 PilzAdam and I have a proof that it works -> MC alpha + early beta
15:11 VanessaE - - S
15:11 VanessaE C S C  -->  mortar&pestle
15:11 VanessaE - C -
15:11 VanessaE mortar&pestle + mese crystal --> glowing powder
15:11 VanessaE glowing powder + glass --> glow glass
15:11 VanessaE was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
15:11 rubenwardy <Exio> in a survival-game, for what do you use the gravel? building? it is ugly~!
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15:11 rubenwardy You can use it to make paths
15:11 PilzAdam ShadowBot, good job
15:11 VanessaE stupid bot.
15:11 VanessaE that was the extent of my paste.
15:11 Jordach VanessaE, you have chanserv access
15:12 Jordach kill it with fire
15:12 Jordach or ill just CTCP flood
15:12 VanessaE how is this path unreasonably complex?
15:12 Jordach yeah
15:12 Jordach its something worth value for rarer items
15:13 PilzAdam VanessaE, we already have fragments, wich can be used to craft the dye, but you want to add another step, wich makes the fragments useless except for making powder
15:13 VanessaE three steps to get a piece of glow glass - and that's if you don't already have a mortar&pestle.
15:13 Jordach you cant magically create a worthless item
15:13 VanessaE PilzAdam: I'm adding another step for the same reason you can't use a sword to mine stone - because it doesn't make sense to do it any other way
15:13 VanessaE it's just plain stupid
15:14 Jordach actually, since mito's back, lets just develop Dwarves and piss on PA + minetest_game
15:14 PilzAdam you just cant think simplistic
15:14 PilzAdam Jordach, +1
15:14 VanessaE no, I can't.
15:14 VanessaE not THAT simplistic
15:14 Jordach PilzAdam, you +1'd me for pissing on you
15:14 VanessaE I refuse to dumb the game down!
15:14 * Exio still wants an use for gravel
15:14 VanessaE we're not fucking targeting 5 year olds
15:15 PilzAdam Jordach, not litterally
15:15 PilzAdam Exio, *a
15:15 Exio ff
15:15 Jordach PilzAdam, your next merge must be between the numbers 169 and 168
15:15 Jordach for minetest_game
15:15 VanessaE and by the way, THIS SHIT is why I don't bother to contribute to minetest/minetest_game anymore.
15:15 VanessaE I'll stick to modding and commentary.
15:16 Jordach or develop our own game
15:16 Jordach minetest_game^3
15:16 PilzAdam VanessaE, you obviously dont agree to my goals of minetest_game and then wonder why I dont like your ideas?
15:16 VanessaE PilzAdam:  because they're YOUR GOALS.  Not the community's
15:16 VanessaE it's NOT YOUR GAME.
15:16 VanessaE it's OUR GAME.
15:17 VanessaE that's the part you keep forgetting.
15:17 Exio what about being hurry in adding the multiple-official-games
15:17 Exio downloable-from-the-network
15:17 VanessaE Exio: that idea has since been pretty much rejected
15:17 Jordach by PilzAdam
15:17 Exio ehm..
15:17 Exio wtf?
15:17 PilzAdam ehm..
15:17 PilzAdam wtf?
15:17 Jordach ^ clonebot
15:18 Exio i'm ok with having different games with different goals, and both being the "available in the same way"
15:18 PilzAdam bbl
15:19 VanessaE see?
15:19 Jordach now that PA is gone, lets do some minetest_game pull merging
15:19 VanessaE he doesn't like the direction the conversation is taking, so he leaves.
15:19 Exio lol Jordach
15:19 Jordach im right Exio
15:19 Zeg9 [q] is minetest.serialize safe for positions?
15:19 VanessaE PilzAdam: sorry if I seem like a bitch, but I won't back down on this.  you're making this into YOUR game and not letting the rest of us have any say in it.
15:20 Jordach likes + dislikes != good to merge
15:20 Jordach they should be voted upon by the community
15:20 Jordach and at the end of such poll, minetest-services should merge
15:20 Jordach the highest choice
15:20 BlockMen You must be all kidding. When i came up with this topic you all ignored what is said and agreed that PA decides. now its your stuff you say the same.
15:21 BlockMen You are all not a bit better than PilzAdam
15:21 Exio Jordach: nah
15:21 Exio that would make a game full of crap
15:21 Exio "200342353245345345345237472342358345435342534 blocks and nodes doing 2 things"
15:21 Exio s/blocks/entities/
15:21 Exio and mods like mobs would be upstream-ed even when they are laggy
15:22 Exio or buggy
15:22 Jordach Exio, if you were stranded in a world with no memories; you would literally have to think about tool making, resources etc
15:22 Exio (the entity-duplication bug)
15:22 Jordach which gives the point of mortar + pestle
15:22 VanessaE exACTly
15:22 Jordach you cant do everything with your fists
15:22 Zeg9 Exio: the entity duplication bug is not a problem from mobs or whatever
15:22 VanessaE this isn't fucking pac-man
15:22 Exio Zeg9: it is for all the entities
15:22 BlockMen motar + pestle sucks
15:23 VanessaE this is a mine-for-resources-and-do-some-reasonably-complex-stuff-to-build-shit game
15:23 PilzAdam VanessaE, you are obviously ignoring the fact that BlockMen agrees to me
15:23 VanessaE BlockMen: what else would someone set in the 1600's use to grind something?
15:23 Jordach and dont say grindstones
15:23 Jordach those are windmills
15:23 VanessaE PilzAdam: I am not ignoring that fact, but blockmen is one person.
15:23 BlockMen and the crafting thing of mese can be solved easy: http://i.imgur.com/84rXz4J.png
15:24 PilzAdam VanessaE, you and Jordach are 2 persons
15:24 Exio am i the only who doesn't like both ideas directly
15:24 VanessaE PilzAdam: your recipes, and his, are stupid.  they are too damn simplistic
15:24 PilzAdam VanessaE, I am not the only one who wants his ideas to be in minetest_game
15:24 Jordach or are just cloning MC
15:25 BlockMen VanessaE, and why is it now important how many persons have an opinion. öast time you didnt care bout that too
15:25 BlockMen *-ö +l
15:25 PilzAdam VanessaE, the problem why everyone calls me a "dictator" is that I have push access
15:25 VanessaE I assert that you should need to use some kind of tool on something as hard as mese to pulverize it into a powder.
15:25 PilzAdam if you would have it, then I would call you a dictator
15:25 VanessaE I don't want it.
15:25 VanessaE I would never want it.
15:25 PilzAdam because yelling at the one who has it is more fun?
15:26 VanessaE no, because an equal number of people probably hate my ideas and I don't need the headache of trying to manage that.  I have enough of my own projects to manage as it is.
15:26 Jordach we have a yin yang problem
15:26 VanessaE yelling at you is because you're the *only* person making significant changes to minetest_game at all
15:26 Jordach both sides are an equal force
15:27 BlockMen a tool to pulverize something is not needed. this is a game, not RL. or do we need a saw to make tree == wood now?
15:27 VanessaE no one else wants to touch it
15:27 VanessaE BlockMen: then why do we need a pick to mine stone?
15:27 VanessaE this isn't reality
15:27 PilzAdam digging has nothing to do with crafting
15:27 BlockMen so, you want add saw too?
15:27 PilzAdam your argument is invalid, VanessaE
15:27 VanessaE BlockMen: actually if I had my way, the game would have a saw, but not for cutting trees.
15:28 Exio all i just see are lots of opinions what can't be right
15:28 Jordach has anyone noticed that BlockMen and PilzAdam speak one after the other if they are one person
15:28 PilzAdam VanessaE, then do your own game
15:28 Jordach as if*
15:28 VanessaE PilzAdam: so mining/building can be vaguely realistic, but crafting has to be stupid-5-year-old simple?
15:28 VanessaE that makes no selse?
15:28 VanessaE sense*
15:28 Jordach sense*
15:28 Jordach ninja'd
15:28 BlockMen Jordach, srsly. thats only thing you have to say?
15:28 BlockMen that poor?
15:28 BlockMen *!
15:28 Jordach BlockMen, you seen to be identical to PilzAdam
15:29 Jordach and what makes it worse is that you both have the same ideas and coding style
15:29 BlockMen Jordach, how would you say so nice. having same opinion != be same person!
15:29 Calinou ^
15:29 PilzAdam Calinou, you are me!
15:29 Exio lol
15:29 PilzAdam because you agree to BlockMen, who is me too
15:29 * Exio throws renewable lava at PilzAdam
15:30 BlockMen i am everyone here... :D
15:30 Exio lets add somewhen the multiple-official-games
15:30 * PilzAdam makes it not renwable and throws it at 0gb.us
15:30 PilzAdam VanessaE, I would really like to see you (or someone else) do the realistic crafting game
15:31 VanessaE someone else already did an ultra-realistic crafting game
15:31 PilzAdam as for minetest_game, I continue the path of non realistic crafting
15:31 VanessaE you seem to have a problem with "black and white" thinking
15:31 Jordach <PilzAdam> as for minetest_game, I continue the path of non realistic crafting
15:31 Jordach CASE CLOSED
15:31 VanessaE if it's the least bit realistic, it may as well be fully realistic, like there's no in-between that and stupid-simple crafts
15:31 PilzAdam I just try to continue the path that was already taken before I came here
15:31 Jordach you are not the sole owner of minetest/minetest_game
15:31 PilzAdam and that is non realistic but simple crafting
15:32 VanessaE um
15:32 Exio make it mese crystal + gravel = 5 mese powder :D
15:33 Jordach ew
15:33 VanessaE almost all of the default recipes have some vague resemblance to the thing you get from the recipe or the thing the thing you get is used on
15:33 PilzAdam Exio, you can use my TNT mod, it uses gravel to get gunpowder
15:33 Exio i want a use for the damn gravel ;P
15:33 BlockMen Exio, what is that with the gravel the whole time?
15:33 BlockMen *nvm
15:34 Exio in MC at least you can make arrows with the flint you can obtain from the gravel, or use it for things like flint&steel => fire
15:36 BlockMen Exio, make tools with flint. like in stoneage :P
15:36 Exio aww
15:36 Exio maybe, at least it is a use
15:37 BlockMen *and more realistic than with cobble :)
15:37 BlockMen ^ for all realistic fans
15:38 PilzAdam VanessaE, Im considering to stop developing minetest_game at all now
15:39 PilzAdam this would lead to more people developing their own games, wich is definitely wanted
15:39 BlockMen but let the default game coming with engine die
15:40 VanessaE bah, I give up.
15:40 VanessaE do whatever you want.
15:40 PilzAdam it would still serve as a platform for mods
15:41 BlockMen PilzAdam, IMO that is not what is should be
15:41 * arsdragonfly|pho read through the log
15:41 PilzAdam the problem with minetest_game is that its too centralized, everyone wants to have their ideas in it
15:42 arsdragonfly|pho it kinda reminds me of the Emacs Schism :-(
15:42 BlockMen well, but not everyone is developer.
15:42 BlockMen we should have more than 1 person develop _game then it would be better accepted if idea will not be merged
15:42 Exio PilzAdam: exactly
15:43 BlockMen *ideas
15:43 Exio did you "throw away" the multiple-games-with-different-maindevs?
15:45 BlockMen IMO there should be ONE default game (and not even the minimal anymore). all other can be gotten from a platform for mods, tp, and games.
15:46 PilzAdam the mod manager in Lua menu could do that
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15:46 Exio but people said you threw it away like "not supporting"
15:46 Exio BlockMen: i think there should be "3 or 2" games
15:47 Exio for a different community
15:47 arsdragonfly|pho PilzAdam :rename minetest_game to minetest_minimal_components now
15:47 BlockMen Exio, i dont think so. all that is other should be forks or w/e.
15:47 Exio BlockMen: why a "fork"?
15:48 arsdragonfly|pho and we'll all use the current modding infrastructure to create our own games
15:48 Exio it will just use the same engine
15:48 PilzAdam the problem is that people want their ideas in minetest_game instead of making their own game
15:48 Exio what PilzAdam says
15:48 BlockMen "or w/e" :P
15:48 VanessaE one should ask you why you're not doing the same, PA, when you propose something others disagree with.
15:48 Exio BlockMen: they should be pseudo-official, i mean, installed by default or with a very-nice-list-to-install-them-with-internet
15:49 BlockMen Exio, the last one. but same for mods and tp
15:49 BlockMen one official and easy way to get & install costum
15:49 PilzAdam VanessaE, because someone needs to develop minetest_game; my goals seem pretty close to what we already have, and most of the other core devs agree to me
15:50 arsdragonfly|pho by renaming it to "minimal" only the VERY fundamental mods will be includes
15:50 arsdragonfly|pho *included
15:50 Exio nah
15:50 PilzAdam arsdragonfly|pho, the name doesnt really matter, the problem is that there are too few other games
15:50 Exio i'm ok with having the minimal game;, i think it should be updated a bit though :P
15:50 PilzAdam people dont realise that tehy can use other games
15:50 BlockMen Exio, arsdragonfly. then we can kick all games
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15:51 BlockMen like PA said, no one would lay minetest anymore
15:51 Exio hm
15:51 BlockMen *i ment "what PA said is right and that would cause that"....
15:52 Calinou \o/ successful troll
15:52 BlockMen me?
15:52 Calinou me
15:52 BlockMen ah..ok :)
15:52 Calinou I told people not to argue
15:53 Exio i just think having multiple-games seems the "way to go", as people's opinion differ, having more than one game, even if they are just "pseudo-official" (some "recommend list" or so)
15:53 arsdragonfly|pho now it's time to determine whether to develop this game in a KISS way or not
15:53 Calinou please don't
15:53 Calinou arsdragonfly|pho: this isn't arch linux
15:53 BlockMen Exio, it would cause the same problem like now. which one would come with default?
15:53 Calinou go back to AUR thank yoi
15:53 Calinou s/yoi/you
15:53 Exio BlockMen: none
15:53 PilzAdam If people would actually create other games, then it wouldnt matter what I do with minetest_game
15:53 BlockMen everyone would want that his/her game is in
15:53 Calinou keep it complicated and smart
15:54 VanessaE there's a difference between KIS,S and KIS-S.
15:54 VanessaE (Keep It Simple, Stupid versus Keep it Stupid-Simple)
15:54 Exio BlockMen: i just say like 3 or max 4, not having a 40
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15:54 FreeFull VanessaE: I never heard of the second one
15:54 PilzAdam VanessaE, there are a lot of other meanings of KISS
15:54 PilzAdam see wikipedia
15:55 BlockMen Exio, ya, i know. but who decides which one come in?
15:55 BlockMen its the same problem like :"what comes in _game"
15:55 arsdragonfly|pho I wonder if PA uses Arch
15:55 VanessaE PilzAdam: in my country, the first listed meaning is the most common one by a VERY wide margin.  t
15:55 PilzAdam Kubuntu
15:55 Calinou see
15:55 Calinou PilzAdam uses a bloated distro
15:55 VanessaE the second one, dunno if i just now coined it or if someone else did before
15:55 PilzAdam of course I use KDE, Im evil :-p
15:55 Calinou eviiiil
15:56 Exio BlockMen: i don't actually think that would be a very big problem
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15:56 BlockMen Exio, and why do you think so?
15:56 Exio as by now, you would get two games, "PilzAdam's" and "VannesaE's"
15:56 arsdragonfly|pho that makes a contrast  :-P
15:56 dysoco Exio, hey
15:56 Exio hi dysoco!
15:56 VanessaE Exio: I already have my own game, of a sort.
15:56 BlockMen Exio, and why not rba's?
15:56 BlockMen or mitos?
15:57 PilzAdam everyone can add their games to the mod manager repo
15:57 PilzAdam there is nobody to decide what goes in and what not
15:57 arsdragonfly|pho Let's just maintain the core engine like the way linux kernel is developed
15:58 Exio BlockMen: RBA wanted a game too, with shared opinions to VanessaE
15:58 Exio er, VannesaE != VanessaE :P
15:58 arsdragonfly|pho and leave the games to the community like the distros out there
15:58 Exio a playable game should be by default
15:58 PilzAdam Exio, I want to type VannesaE too
15:58 dysoco I think the projects should split
15:58 Calinou Exio: good idea
15:58 dysoco but Minetest should develop a "main" game too
15:58 PilzAdam VanessaE, you should highlight VannesaE too :-P
15:58 dysoco that my idea, though.
15:58 BlockMen Exio, and mitos game? or any other out there?
15:59 Calinou but to please the general opinion, you need to write games, not engines
15:59 arsdragonfly|pho The Minetest Schism :-P
15:59 VanessaE meh
15:59 PilzAdam dysoco, read logs, its not possible
15:59 dysoco Hm, how so? I would read the legs.
15:59 BlockMen Exio, sry, but that makes it to complicated. Make ONE default game and a way to get easy games, mods and tps
15:59 Exio BlockMen: i don't know those games, but they should be in the list in the "Other games" section
16:00 Exio BlockMen: how complicated? the formspec menu is nearly here.
16:00 dysoco Maybe some in-game menu option to "Get more games"
16:00 Exio dysoco: Lua/Formspec main menu
16:00 PilzAdam dysoco, thats already suggest hours ago
16:00 dysoco I see
16:00 BlockMen Exio, good. then there is no reason to make more than one default game
16:00 PilzAdam read the logs ;-)
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16:01 Exio BlockMen: that is, making installing games and mods "easier" or at least user-friendly
16:01 Exio that is already suggested! :P
16:02 BlockMen huh? how would it be "easier" when you have more than one default game?
16:04 MarkTwain how about an in-minetest mod browser?
16:04 Exio BlockMen: installing a game now:
16:05 Exio * open forum.minetest.net; search one; open the forum topic; download it; place it in the correct place; ...; play
16:05 Exio how "it should be":
16:05 Exio * press "download games"; select; double click; play
16:05 PilzAdam MarkTwain, I should kick your for stupidity
16:05 Exio s/games/more &/
16:06 PilzAdam MarkTwain, thatw what we are talking about _all the time_
16:06 Exio PilzAdam: you*r*?
16:06 PilzAdam -w+s
16:06 BlockMen Exio, yes, i know. but that is no reason for more than one default game.
16:06 PilzAdam -r
16:06 Jordach is PilzAdam using emacs
16:06 BlockMen default game = game sthat comes with engine
16:06 PilzAdam nope.avi
16:06 * rubenwardy is fiddling with CG shaders
16:06 ShadowNinja minetestserver is consuming a lot of CPU. 100% before I killed it.
16:07 Exio BlockMen: for now, the only game what comes with the engine itself, is minimal, not minetest_game, it is the official game
16:07 ShadowNinja About 15%-100% now.
16:07 VanessaE minimal is not supposed to be treated as a game
16:07 PilzAdam VanessaE, it has a game.conf -> its a game
16:07 VanessaE not in the sense of playing it seriously anyway
16:07 ShadowNinja Mostly 20%. It normaly consumes about 4%.
16:07 PilzAdam although its not good
16:08 VanessaE PilzAdam: "minimal development test" tells me it is not really a game.
16:08 BlockMen Exio, ok. i correct myself. then _game should come with engine instead of minimal
16:08 Jordach it should not be included as a game, but as a base for games on minetest
16:08 VanessaE it just looks like one because you have to put it in there *somehow*
16:09 BlockMen minimal is useless for users and its better if developers have to install a "game" instead if common user
16:10 PilzAdam there has to be something in the engine when downloading it, otherwise people think its "broken"
16:10 BlockMen PilzAdam, yes _game. not minimal
16:10 Exio a normal use will use the minetest_game
16:10 Exio BlockMen: it is way too huge for the engine repository
16:11 PilzAdam BlockMen, we cant pack _game in the engine -> it will be a commit log mess
16:11 Exio ^ that too
16:11 PilzAdam that was discussed already in -dev
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16:11 Exio :P
16:11 BlockMen 2,7 MB is in year 2013 not "too huge" :P
16:12 PilzAdam well, I will somewhat make a feature freeze for _game now until we decide what to do
16:12 Exio BlockMen: making it a git submodule is ok for me; having it directly "inside" the repository, isn't
16:12 Exio s/making/having/
16:13 BlockMen Exio, ok. that would be good IMO
16:13 VanessaE Exio: s/making it/having it as/
16:13 PilzAdam Exio, noooo! no submodules
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16:13 Exio why not PilzAdam?
16:13 PilzAdam because they suck
16:13 Exio VanessaE: ok!
16:13 webdesigner97 hi
16:13 Exio PilzAdam: how?
16:14 PilzAdam and they cant be transfered to another system AFAIK
16:14 Exio hmm?
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16:15 BlockMen PilzAdam, what other system?
16:16 webdesigner97 Can lua create a file if it doesn't exist? I want to have multiple textfiles which need to be generated by lua
16:16 PilzAdam bazaar
16:16 VanessaE webdesigner97: sure, easily so.
16:16 Exio ah
16:16 Exio launchpad
16:16 BlockMen PilzAdam, and how often you transfer minetest?
16:16 PilzAdam every single commit
16:16 webdesigner97 cause my code doesn't work:
16:16 VanessaE webdesigner97: here's how I do it in moretrees:  https://github.com/VanessaE/moretrees/blob/master/init.lua#L24
16:17 PilzAdam required to build on launchpad: https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs
16:17 BlockMen uhh...we should split in win and linux :P
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16:24 bdjnk When one does a "register_on_dignode", is there any way to get the oldnode's metadata?
16:25 bdjnk You know, because "get_meta(pos)" will get the new metadata, which is null...
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16:27 reactor .yeH
16:28 bdjnk Hey reactor.
16:32 MarkTwain sonyone good at digiline modding?
16:36 BlockMen bye
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16:41 Miner_48er Has anyone had this problem? main.cpp:1959: int main(int, char**): Assertion '0' failed.
16:42 MarkTwain yep
16:42 MarkTwain Many times
16:42 Miner_48er How did you fix it?
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16:52 reactor Hmm.
16:52 reactor Does make allow for parallelism?
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16:55 Calinou reactor: parallelism?
16:55 Calinou make -jx
16:56 reactor thank you
16:57 VanessaE -j8 or so
16:57 Calinou where x is number of threads to use
16:57 reactor yep, I see
16:58 reactor Eh. They could have included the word "parallel" into that paragraph of the man
16:59 reactor Hmm.
16:59 Calinou of course not, this is GNU
16:59 Calinou freedom is better than convenience!
16:59 reactor vorbis, openal are dependencies, but are not listed in the README
16:59 Calinou they are not
16:59 Calinou -DENABLE_SOUND=0
16:59 Calinou also they are listed in the readme
17:00 reactor Must have overlooked, as always.
17:01 reactor Calinou: that wasn't gmake
17:02 reactor not sure what kind of make is here
17:02 reactor but nto gmake
17:02 reactor s/nto/not
17:02 reactor for I have a separate gmake
17:02 Calinou cmake you mean
17:02 reactor no no
17:02 reactor and not cmake
17:02 reactor cmake is here, as well
17:04 reactor Wow.
17:04 reactor I've built it.
17:04 reactor That will be a good package addition, I think.
17:05 Calinou \o/ sudo make install fanboy
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17:06 reactor not that fast
17:07 reactor rather, make package :D
17:08 Miner_48er Anyone know how to fix this problem? main.cpp:1959: int main(int, char**): Assertion '0' failed.
17:08 reactor Something must go wrong, I know it. It won't run.
17:09 reactor Time to cross fingers again.
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17:17 reactor Yeah, my hunch was right, it won't run.
17:20 Calinou it works for me, you're doing it wrong
17:25 reactor joined #minetest
17:25 reactor BadDrawable
17:26 reactor (trying to run on software rendferer)
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17:33 Calinou le facepalm
17:33 Calinou reactor: get a proper graphic driver, use opengl
17:33 Calinou also, if you really want to use software, disable shaders
17:33 Calinou ("settings" menu)
17:33 Exio and enjoy 4 FPS
17:33 reactor Calinou: no drivers for my platform eh
17:34 Calinou "for my platform?"
17:34 reactor NetBSD
17:34 dante123 joined #minetest
17:34 Calinou le facepalm
17:34 Calinou use a real OS instead of bullshitdistro
17:34 Exio bullshitdistro?
17:34 Exio netbsd?
17:34 Exio do you know *bsd(s) aren't linux distros?
17:34 reactor Calinou, man, you should read more.
17:35 Calinou it's not like there are too many people using linux already
17:35 Calinou reactor: no, I should know better, I use a debian-based distro
17:35 reactor It's just I wouldn't like to change OS just because there are no vide drivers eh.
17:35 reactor s/vide/video/
17:36 Exio what gpu reactor?
17:36 reactor So I decided to try it anyway.
17:36 reactor Exio: some NVIDIA.
17:36 Exio ah
17:36 Calinou nvidia has a BSD driver
17:36 Calinou but well, it sucks
17:36 reactor FreeBSD
17:36 Calinou again: use an OS which has hardware accel
17:36 Calinou lol
17:36 reactor I'm planning on testing it this summer.
17:37 reactor It's just I've gotten sick of Linux already, having not succeeded compiling a single package there.
17:37 reactor In 4 years.
17:38 Jordach omfg
17:38 Jordach i just found a paper craft site and realised how useful UV mapping is
17:41 Calinou lol
17:41 Calinou you really suck then :P
17:41 Jordach Calinou, its the fact that you can literally make models by using the guided images
17:44 Calinou Jordach: talking to reactor
17:44 Calinou about not being able to compile anything
17:44 Calinou it probably is simpler than in BSDs
17:44 reactor I've tried.
17:44 Jordach Calinou, yup, BSD is piss easy
17:44 reactor I think it's more a matter of preference, though.
17:44 Calinou how about sudo apt-get install <packages> then extract + cd src then make
17:45 Calinou it works that way for most stuff
17:45 reactor Exactly that failed, I don't know where, however.
17:45 reactor I've even tried pulling pkgsrc to there. Debian is supported, by the way.
17:47 Taoki Can someone help with a little script issue? I have a node formspec (not player formspec using show_formspec). Is there any way to add an on_rightclick command which only blocks the formspec if an if statement is met?
17:47 Taoki Again, I'm not using show_formspec, otherwise I'd put that on else. I add the "formspec" string to the node on creation, because I ust use that and not show_formspec
17:47 MarkTwain remove the formspec
17:47 Taoki I need on_rightclick to only deviate its function if an if statement is met. If not, show the formspec the way it does naturally
17:47 MarkTwain IF..
17:48 Taoki Remove how?
17:48 MarkTwain meta.setstring""
17:48 Taoki It's a node string [meta:set_string("formspec)]. Unsetting that would prolly be a hacky way to go
17:48 MarkTwain or remove...
17:48 Taoki Yeah. Is that the only way?
17:48 MarkTwain i dont know, im not a modder
17:49 Taoki ok. anyone else know?
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17:49 KikaRz Fuck you Minecraft!
17:49 Mustek you too
17:50 Taoki Oh, and that wouldn't work I think. Since the right click would automatically open the formspec first
17:50 MarkTwain I need addons for digilines
17:50 MarkTwain I just need a replacement for mesecons
17:50 KikaRz VanessaE, are you there, sweetie?
17:51 MarkTwain Anyone know?
17:51 KikaRz Mustek, die in hell
17:51 Nikondork now now
17:51 VanessaE yeah
17:51 VanessaE just working on something.
17:51 KikaRz VanessaE, give me one explanation
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17:54 sfan5 !op
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17:56 KikaRz sfan5 <3
17:56 sfan5 no!
17:56 KikaRz yu so sweet too <3
17:56 KikaRz (are you thinking I'm a boy??? O_O)
17:57 Calinou everyone does
17:57 Calinou the default on the internet is a boy
17:57 sfan5 ^
17:57 KikaRz ... The other option on the internet is girl
17:57 KikaRz ... The other option on the internet is women
17:57 KikaRz ... The other option on the internet is old women
17:57 KikaRz ... The other option on the internet is female
17:57 KikaRz lawl
17:57 Calinou ...the other option on the internet is linux
17:57 KikaRz No , that's the default option.
17:57 Calinou lol nope
17:57 Calinou anandtech begs to differ
17:58 Taoki ... the other option on the internet is herm
17:58 Taoki :3
17:58 Calinou this is like saying AMD is the default option
17:58 KikaRz For the maiority...
17:58 Calinou Taoki: s/herm/pony
17:58 Taoki hehe
17:58 sfan5 .. the other option on the internet is `uname -a`
17:58 Calinou oh, xonotic 0.7 is out, Taoki
17:58 Calinou it finally has decent animations :3
17:58 KikaRz xonotic???
17:58 Taoki Awesomeness
17:58 Taoki Calinou: I always use the GIT
17:58 KikaRz laughing
17:58 * sfan5 already downloaded xonotic 0.7
17:58 Calinou KikaRz: why?
17:58 Taoki KikaRz: Best open-source FPS ever
17:58 KikaRz Oh...
17:58 Calinou has vehicles :-D
17:59 KikaRz I thinked it was ... Ovelha Choné.
17:59 KikaRz (portuguese name)
17:59 Calinou read: pron actor
17:59 KikaRz Now...
17:59 KikaRz Help me people.-... http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/capturadeecr-09-06-2013-185538.php
17:59 reactor Well.
17:59 KikaRz Why my dragging/name bar isn't appearing
17:59 reactor It seems the bug only affects amd64.
17:59 MarkTwain http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92734#p92734
17:59 KikaRz Xubuntu.
17:59 reactor I'm lucky, as always.
18:00 MarkTwain Also a replacement for luacontroller
18:00 * Calinou high fives KikaRz for xubuntu
18:00 MarkTwain I just hate mesecons...
18:00 KikaRz Want a good download manager? DownThemAll!
18:00 Calinou KikaRz: in a terminal type:
18:00 Calinou xfwm4 --replace
18:00 Calinou KikaRz: meh, uget is better
18:00 Calinou downthemall is for slowfox :P
18:00 KikaRz Well... too
18:00 KikaRz but ITS FAST
18:00 KikaRz Mine reached 30,9 MB/s
18:00 Calinou it takes 2 more seconds to start than chromium
18:00 Calinou speed isn't dependant of download manager
18:00 Calinou it is dependent on your connection
18:01 Taoki lol, my text-to-speech IRC script is funny to enable on the channel sometimes
18:01 KikaRz Calinou, but Firefox don't uses all the b... band
18:01 * Taoki is listening to it sometimes funnily translate the chat here
18:01 Calinou let's use it to make new playermodel voices in xonotic
18:01 Taoki hehe
18:01 Taoki It's not that good
18:01 KikaRz is xonotic (hahahahaha...) good?
18:01 Calinou yes it is
18:02 Taoki KikaRz: Best =)
18:02 KikaRz I never tested
18:02 Calinou it depends on your view
18:02 Calinou red eclipse is more "casual"
18:02 KikaRz Anyways, I like Saüerbraten
18:02 Calinou liking sauerbraten is liking john mccain
18:02 Exio 40%   21MB  42.5KB/s   12:22 ETA
18:02 KikaRz but it's funny
18:02 Calinou s/is liking/like liking
18:02 Exio my wireless is awesome
18:02 Calinou Exio: l33t wget
18:02 KikaRz Installing OpenArena
18:02 sfan5 Calinou: curl is better
18:03 KikaRz Installing Xonotic (hahahahahah...)
18:03 Exio Calinou: scp
18:03 Exio sfan5, aria2c
18:03 sfan5 I bet the.xyz uses netcat to download files
18:03 Exio socat*
18:03 Calinou openarena is even more conservative than sauerbraten
18:04 Calinou and it's... ugly
18:04 Calinou people are too poor to afford PS, or to make GIMP a decent texturing tool 8)
18:04 thexyz sfan5: wat
18:04 KikaRz Calinou, xfmw4 --replace didn't worked.
18:04 KikaRz still without the bar
18:04 Calinou xfwm not xfmw
18:04 Calinou it's there, but it's black
18:04 KikaRz you said me mw
18:04 KikaRz well
18:04 KikaRz it restarted.
18:04 * Calinou sees "steam" o/
18:04 KikaRz Calinou, no it's not.
18:05 KikaRz that's the desktop.-
18:05 Calinou KikaRz: well, reboot then
18:05 KikaRz That don't solves
18:05 KikaRz It's without bar since when I installed xubuntu
18:05 KikaRz (i'm running Xubuntu and not XFCE
18:05 MarkTwain Can anyone help me with digiline addons?
18:05 Calinou xubuntu uses xfce
18:05 Calinou so you're using xfce
18:05 KikaRz ol
18:05 KikaRz lol
18:05 Calinou KikaRz: weird
18:06 KikaRz but there are 2 choises
18:06 Calinou try disabling compositing
18:06 KikaRz *choices
18:06 KikaRz Calinou, how?
18:06 KikaRz that's what I want to know too
18:06 Calinou settings > window manager tweaks > compositing
18:06 reactor compositing...
18:06 reactor who needs it!
18:06 Calinou reactor: fglrx users of course
18:06 reactor oh yeah yeah
18:06 KikaRz Nope.
18:06 thexyz oh, yes, no one needs compositing
18:07 thexyz enjoy your tearing
18:07 KikaRz Now gets blue more bright.
18:07 KikaRz and MINUS laggy
18:07 KikaRz Thank you
18:07 reactor thexyz: tearing eh?
18:08 KikaRz Calinou, waiting
18:08 thexyz reactor: tearing, yeah
18:08 Calinou thexyz: tearing is unnoticeable when moving windows in general
18:08 thexyz Calinou: what about watching videos?
18:08 Calinou and in games, it is not noticeable if you set maxfps to (refresh rate) +1
18:08 thexyz no one does that, right?
18:08 Calinou thexyz: I don't watch videos
18:08 reactor How about all this "smoothing" is counterproductive?
18:08 Calinou rarely
18:08 Calinou and when I do, I don't see tearing
18:08 thexyz compositing is not about "smoothing"
18:09 reactor It only makes everything appear slower, beside making it actually work slower.
18:09 KikaRz Calinou, it improves the FPS at Minetest,linux games, CS 1.6, Team Fortress 2, ...?
18:09 reactor Tearing. Big deal.
18:09 thexyz reactor: read the definition
18:09 KikaRz (when disabling)
18:09 thexyz please
18:09 Calinou TF2 with composting = lololololol
18:09 KikaRz Well...
18:09 Calinou reactor: compositing improves battery life though
18:09 KikaRz It went DARKNESS!
18:09 Calinou again?
18:09 Calinou try doing xfwm4 --replace a lot of times
18:10 KikaRz and kept at : Loading Resources / Loading server info
18:10 reactor Calinou: sarcasm?
18:10 Calinou reactor: it doe
18:10 Calinou at least on my netbook
18:10 reactor That's unexpected.
18:10 KikaRz Calinou, no result
18:10 KikaRz Ok, no problem
18:10 KikaRz Ctrl + Left click solves it.
18:10 KikaRz and I'll be able to move windows with that
18:11 KikaRz well, going to Xonotic
18:11 KikaRz what server you recommend to me?
18:11 thexyz for example, my compositing manager (dcompmgr) does nothing but fixes tearing
18:11 Calinou [MoN] vehicle gameplay, KikaRz
18:11 thexyz by using OpenGL for drawing stuff
18:11 KikaRz Lauching
18:12 Exio thexyz: may you try the "workaround"
18:12 Exio for utf8 on linux? *
18:12 thexyz Exio: link it to me
18:12 Exio https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/754
18:13 Calinou thexyz: what's your graphics card anyway? I don't notice any tearing without compositing
18:13 thexyz okay, building
18:14 thexyz Calinou: GTX 670
18:14 reactor Strange, glxgears works fine.
18:14 thexyz Calinou: and what's your DE?
18:14 reactor May bad drawable be caused by wrong directory paths?
18:15 Exio reactor: what "software" render are you using?
18:15 thexyz Exio: it works on linux, windows time now
18:16 Exio thexyz: my patch only adds the workaround on linux, not windows, as PilzAdam reported it worked out-of-the-box in his build
18:16 reactor Exio: not sure about that
18:16 Exio what is the video_driver line? :P
18:17 KikaRz minetest.conf
18:17 KikaRz video_driver = <name>
18:17 reactor Exio: glxinfo?
18:17 reactor KikaRz: Oh.
18:17 reactor Not yet.
18:17 thexyz Exio: oh, okay then
18:17 reactor Exio: glxinfo says I'm using Mesa Software rasteriser.
18:18 reactor KikaRz: I don't have a config yet
18:18 reactor KikaRz: what should I put there if I'm using swrast?
18:18 Exio thexyz: how are you using the software renderer, then?
18:19 thexyz huh?
18:19 thexyz I don't
18:19 reactor I do, Exio.
18:19 reactor I do.
18:19 Exio err
18:19 Exio thexyz: sorry, fail
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18:21 reactor Exio: well, I think it doesn't get to the config anyway
18:21 reactor for it doesn't create it in the first place
18:22 Exio # Possible values: null, software, burningsvideo, direct3d8, direct3d9, opengl
18:22 Exio # Possible values: null, software, burningsvideo, direct3d8, direct3d9, opengl
18:22 reactor Oh
18:22 Exio er, sorry, double paste
18:22 reactor software
18:23 Exio well, both software renders work for me
18:23 Exio (software and burningsvideo)
18:23 Exio software is way faster; but very glitchy
18:23 Taoki Any server using this yet? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=94108 Would like to test it in multiplayer too
18:24 reactor now
18:24 reactor when I've mae it use the config
18:24 reactor made*
18:24 reactor it just sefgaults after complaining about fonts mssing
18:24 reactor missing*
18:25 reactor (it was built without RUN_IN_PLACE)
18:26 reactor I must specify paths manually then, I think.
18:26 reactor For it shows some strange paths in --verbose
18:26 Calinou thexyz: xfce 4.10 + xfwm
18:26 Calinou GTX 570 + nvidia 319.17
18:26 Calinou "sync to blank" is disabled
18:30 Taoki VanessaE: Do you have my mod on your server? If not, feel like testing it? (requires generating new unexplored areas for it to fully be seen in work though)
18:30 VanessaE which mod is that?
18:30 VanessaE oh
18:30 * VanessaE looks
18:30 VanessaE *waits for forum to answer*
18:30 VanessaE "...projects I had in mine..."  <-- mind*
18:30 Taoki VanessaE: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=94108
18:30 VanessaE hm, looks like a variation of worldedit's load/save function?
18:30 Exio using the software render with some settings: 20~30 FPS, with burningsvideo: 10~15, with opengl: 200~250
18:30 Taoki See first post for GIT link
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18:30 Taoki VanessaE: Nothing to do with worldedit. At least not purpose-wise
18:31 Taoki Mostly a system that lets you not only import / export buildings, but adds them to mapgen to generate villages
18:31 reactor path_share = ..
18:31 VanessaE mmm, think I'll pass but it looks interesting
18:31 reactor path_user = ..
18:31 reactor That's not normal, is it?
18:32 Taoki Aww, ok. Would have liked testing it in MP with anyone
18:32 john_minetest Lol, then there could be city mods. Different city/village packs with cities/villages that fit for the kind of gameplay, e.g. skyscrapers or medieval
18:33 Exio reactor: with run_in_place, it is normal :P
18:33 reactor Oh.
18:33 reactor And RUN_IN_PLACE=1 is default then?
18:34 Exio hmm no
18:35 john_minetest I always do cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE because I see no sense in re-installing a game every few days.
18:35 john_minetest *PLACE=1
18:35 reactor john_minetest: I'm making a distribution package
18:36 john_minetest This makes sense. What distro?
18:37 reactor Hmm.
18:37 reactor As soon as I do -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0, it fails with complaints about Irrlicht headers missing.
18:39 reactor Never mind, needed to remove some quotes here and there.
18:41 KikaRz My Xonotic evaluation: Like Halo, but worst.
18:41 KikaRz STUPID AT ALL!
18:42 KikaRz ;Let's go to the next game.
18:43 NakedFury you mean like halo with rapid movement but worst
18:43 Exio redeclipse ftw
18:43 dysoco +1
18:43 NakedFury dont like rapid movement shooters
18:43 KikaRz NakedFury, WORST!
18:43 KikaRz NOT THAT
18:43 KikaRz LAGGY
18:44 Exio get a better pc
18:44 KikaRz NOT ME
18:44 KikaRz EFFECTS ALL GLITCHY
18:44 KikaRz And Exio, go to the hell.
18:44 KikaRz Shut your mouth up.
18:44 PilzAdam Exio, +1
18:44 john_minetest NakedFury: Are there shooters without at least a bit of rapid movement
18:44 john_minetest ?
18:44 KikaRz PilzAdam
18:44 KikaRz repeating: NOT ME
18:45 Calinou john_minetest: yes, minecraft
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18:45 john_minetest minecraft is no shooter, minecraft is a bad and laggy minetest clone.
18:45 KikaRz john_minetest, +1
18:45 PilzAdam ^
18:45 NakedFury by rapid movement I meant in the style of red eclipse and that xonotic. I like them slower. arma 3 style
18:45 GhostlyDeath I hear minecraft is coded in a fake programming language
18:45 KikaRz but xonotic is bad.
18:45 Calinou no u
18:45 KikaRz Stupid "sentinels" kill us FASTER
18:46 Calinou you just can't understand it, that's all
18:46 KikaRz Not me.
18:46 Calinou fun fact: vehicle servers aren't rapid at all
18:46 dysoco NakedFury, I love the ArmA series, but totally different kind of games.
18:46 Calinou you use a vehicle to destroy the turrets, or use hide and seek
18:46 john_minetest Hmmm... I also like slower games. But Xonotic is fun because it is actually only spreading shots everywhere.
18:46 Calinou NakedFury: if you mean that, then there is no slow shooter on linux
18:46 KikaRz But they kill us faster than us destroying them
18:46 Calinou of course, else it would be too easy
18:46 Calinou xonotic is not an easy game
18:46 KikaRz ?
18:46 Calinou the general opinion seems to accept easy games today
18:47 KikaRz I'm not accepting easier games
18:47 john_minetest All the FPS on Linux are Xonotic-Style. I wonder why there is no battlefield-style shooter for linux.
18:47 KikaRz I'm just telling that HARD games are worst in it gameplay.
18:47 NakedFury I wonder too john
18:47 Calinou john_minetest: red eclipse can easily be modded
18:47 Calinou reduce movement speed, remove double jumps and all that
18:47 Calinou make new maps
18:47 Calinou profit :P
18:47 Calinou also there's TF2, which isn't that fast
18:47 john_minetest _modded_. Why is there no dedicated military simulation for linux?
18:47 Exio cs cz
18:47 Exio :D
18:47 Calinou CS is rather fast
18:48 john_minetest TF2 is steam.
18:48 KikaRz Calinou, it's fast too.
18:48 john_minetest Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising is sometimes quite fast but it is more tactical.
18:48 NakedFury the problem with CS being fast is that its more like a instant kill game
18:48 KikaRz I run CS 1.6 at 199 FPS
18:48 Calinou it still works on linux
18:48 Calinou but it isn't open source
18:48 KikaRz Well, it is now.
18:49 KikaRz Did you know?
18:49 KikaRz *knew?
18:49 Calinou since when the source engine is open source
18:49 KikaRz Just ask Valve's source code.
18:49 KikaRz CS 1.6 ISN'T SOURCE ENGINE
18:49 Calinou doesn't mean it is open source
18:49 Calinou oh, right
18:49 KikaRz it's GOLDSRC
18:49 Calinou but half life 1 is still completely obsolete
18:49 john_minetest OPFDR is not "one shot one kill" but it is a lot of aiming, hiding and looking for a good position.
18:49 Calinou and it uses an open source engine but proprietary game logic (eg. UrT), then it is open core
18:49 john_minetest But it is too slow, even for my "better" computer.
18:50 KikaRz One game that I like: ARMAGGETRON!
18:50 NakedFury I would like an open source free alternative to Battlefield
18:50 KikaRz *ARMAGETRON
18:50 GhostlyDeath What's the point of running a game higher than 60FPS?
18:50 Calinou KikaRz: lol?
18:50 KikaRz *w*
18:50 Calinou armagetron is very, very fast
18:50 KikaRz And?
18:50 KikaRz It's cool!
18:50 Calinou and full of *cough*haxors*cough*
18:50 KikaRz no, they aren't haxors
18:50 Calinou GhostlyDeath: 120/144hz screens
18:50 Calinou less input lag
18:50 KikaRz just people with binds in multiple places
18:50 Calinou and of course, heating your room
18:51 GhostlyDeath Most GPUs these days just do not draw to the screen outside out a sync cycle
18:51 KikaRz Going to try TF2, since I disabled compositing
18:51 * Calinou is installing armagetronad
18:51 Calinou oh, but that game doesn't let you enable vsync
18:51 Calinou I do not want to run it at 3000FPS ;-;
18:52 KikaRz I dislike vsync
18:52 Jordach Calinou, better than me > 0
18:52 Calinou it removes tearing at the cost of latency
18:52 Calinou and I have no idea how to use nvidia linux application profiles
18:53 Calinou these are insanely hard to use compared to windows
18:53 * Jordach dances
18:53 Jordach windows is good at one thing: gaming
18:53 KikaRz why TF2 freezes at: Getrting server info?
18:53 Calinou KikaRz: it can take a while
18:53 Calinou Jordach: linux too
18:54 Calinou "few games" is not an excuse
18:54 Calinou no point in having "hotel simulator 2013"
18:54 KikaRz Calinou, at point to crash?
18:54 codedevil Calinou: linux needs some fixes still to be polished for gaming
18:54 Calinou KikaRz: if it crashes, then you're out of RAM or something like that
18:54 Calinou codedevil: no?
18:54 Calinou which ones?
18:54 KikaRz nope calinou
18:54 codedevil Calinou: yes
18:54 codedevil in example
18:54 KikaRz I thinked that Windows took more RAM than Linux.
18:54 Calinou KikaRz: is TF2 even playable on your PC anyway? O_o
18:55 KikaRz Yes.
18:55 KikaRz On Windows was.
18:55 codedevil linux (closed source drivers made by incopetent companies like AMD and Nvidia) sucks regarding crashing when switching virtual displays
18:55 Calinou TIL amd and nvidia are incompetent
18:55 Calinou go make GPUs too and see :P
18:55 GhostlyDeath AMD has better GPUs though
18:55 GhostlyDeath thanks to ATI
18:55 KikaRz at 125.1 fps.
18:55 Calinou nvidia has worked fine for me, on 3 cards
18:55 john_minetest AMD doesn't suck. nvidia does.
18:55 Calinou sadly, linux seems to be full of nvidia fanboys, or it is just me
18:55 GhostlyDeath ATI/AMD all the way
18:55 codedevil john_minetest: both do
18:55 Calinou AMD has better perf/price but I can't buy from them
18:55 codedevil ATI developers are all idiots
18:56 Calinou their results on phoronix seem to be very variable
18:56 codedevil judging from quality of the driver
18:56 GhostlyDeath I've only used free drivers ever
18:56 KikaRz john_minetest, I got one processor (by AMD, that sucks) and one graphics card (by NVIDIA)
18:56 codedevil VanessaE: do you know how to us forcefield? it doesn't work for me
18:56 KikaRz Both sucks.
18:56 VanessaE I have no idea actually
18:56 Calinou AMD CPUs don't have the driver problem and thus are good
18:56 Exio ^
18:56 codedevil anyone knows how to use forcefield?
18:56 john_minetest AMD actually RUNS on linux. Nvidia driver crashed always so I had to take the open-source driver. Which was even better than the propietary.
18:56 Calinou lol no
18:56 Calinou it is like 10× slower than nvidia
18:56 Calinou and no opengl 4.3
18:57 codedevil do we have any cool survival?
18:57 Kray nvidia runs on linux well
18:57 Calinou and no GUI to configure stuff
18:57 codedevil is survival fun in minetest?
18:57 Calinou no :P
18:57 GhostlyDeath Nvidia has a nice kernel you are forced to use
18:57 Calinou fglrx is more standards compliant, I know that GhostlyDeath
18:57 john_minetest As long as the graphics card supports GL, it is okay. I got one without GL support. An intel one. From the stone age.
18:57 Calinou hey, I use xubuntu afterall
18:57 Calinou upstart :huehuehue:
18:57 codedevil last time I tried pvp in minetest, the fighting felt like fucking a horse while wearing gloves and bucket over head, while ridding ski
18:57 Calinou lol
18:57 Calinou it still does
18:58 * Calinou would like to see collision between players
18:58 codedevil couldn't hit anything and there was serious lagging issue
18:58 codedevil john_minetest: intel cards are the best in the world
18:58 codedevil just not for gaming
18:58 KikaRz Guys, why my MIC don't works?
18:58 sfan5 �
18:59 john_minetest KikaRz: U R using linux?
18:59 Calinou KikaRz: is it USB, or analogic?
18:59 KikaRz Yes, john_minetest
18:59 codedevil KikaRz: my 8balls says: try again
18:59 Calinou codedevil: intel is evil, though
18:59 john_minetest KikaRz: Alsa?
18:59 Calinou codedevil: since when you have 8 balls
18:59 KikaRz Calinou, analogic (turned on by that RED port...)
18:59 Calinou john_minetest: no, pulseaudi
18:59 KikaRz john_minetest, IDK
18:59 codedevil Calinou:nvidia is eviller
18:59 Calinou +o
18:59 Calinou codedevil: or not
18:59 KikaRz I've tried all controllers that Steam shows
18:59 KikaRz and none works
18:59 KikaRz Skype neither.
18:59 Calinou codedevil: and that doesn't make AMD's driver better
19:00 GhostlyDeath ATI/AMD makes red colored video cards
19:00 Calinou I heard way too many complaints from it to switch to AMD
19:00 Calinou eg. 7850 gives 30 to 100 fps in TF2 with min settings
19:00 john_minetest KikaRz: I think the program to handle pulseaudio is called "Pavucontrol" or similar. Try to turn all the volume bars up.
19:00 codedevil KikaRz: on linux when microphone doesn't work, 80% of the time you forgot to un-mute and turn up volme for EVERYTHING in some good sound controller/mixer
19:00 Calinou how come a 570 with similar power in games does 60+ with everything maxed out and 4× aa
19:00 KikaRz john_minetest, What volume bars???
19:00 codedevil or to select correct input source from severals, KikaRz
19:00 KikaRz ??
19:00 john_minetest The one in the mixer. codedevil said it.
19:00 KikaRz ??
19:00 KikaRz You are all wrong '-'
19:00 GhostlyDeath Isn't pulseaudio dead?
19:01 Calinou no
19:01 codedevil GhostlyDeath: it's most advanced audiossytem now afaik
19:01 GhostlyDeath more advanced than JACK?
19:01 john_minetest I use Alsa. Sometimes I use Jackd. But never pulseaudio.
19:01 Calinou but it has lots of latency if not using HT
19:01 Calinou I bet it is sponsored by intel ;-;
19:01 KikaRz Omg, I'll never anymore talk with my friends
19:01 KikaRz :(
19:01 GhostlyDeath alsamixer?
19:02 john_minetest alsamixer is for alsa. the mixer for pulse is called "pavucontrol" iirc.
19:02 codedevil Calinou: intel gfx is the one that has 100% open drivers, and works best on them.  Nvidia crashes and shit and fucks with developers. Amd tries to sometimes help developers but still binary driver is shit
19:02 Calinou KikaRz: what software are you trying to use?
19:02 Calinou codedevil: 1) slower than on windows 2) zero configuration
19:02 codedevil Calinou: for what, intel?
19:02 Calinou nvidia doesn't crash for me
19:02 Calinou yes, intel
19:02 codedevil yeah intel is slow but it never crashes
19:02 Calinou the driver is getting faster these days, but it is still slower
19:02 KikaRz ...
19:02 Calinou and again: zero configuration
19:02 codedevil Calinou: this is GURANTTED to crash nvidia and ati:
19:02 Calinou no GUI
19:02 KikaRz Ok, fuck this microphone,.
19:02 KikaRz i'm going to be mad...
19:02 Calinou codedevil: you're doing it wrong
19:02 codedevil Calinou: why the fuck you need config for? it should just work
19:03 Calinou codedevil: a GUI control panel for application profiles, overclocking, temperatures and all that
19:03 GhostlyDeath Intel makes dumb mistakes, quite often too
19:03 codedevil Calinou: every computer always crashes/hangs with amd or nvidia if you do this:
19:03 Calinou nvidia has that (minus the overclocking part since i'm on fermi)
19:03 codedevil Calinou: log in as another user. e.g. lock screen -> switch user
19:03 Calinou why would I want? i'm single user
19:03 FreeFull I haven't used pulseaudio in ages
19:03 Calinou and I never lock screen
19:03 FreeFull The distro I use doesn't force it on people
19:03 codedevil Calinou: keep swithching between users  ctrl+alt+f1  ctrl+alt+f7  ctrl+alt+f8
19:03 codedevil after 10..100 switches is crashes
19:04 FreeFull Doesn't get installed by default and I haven't found anything that needs it yet
19:04 Calinou I don't do that
19:04 codedevil this issue is on both cards since always
19:04 john_minetest ping
19:04 GhostlyDeath F1 through F6 are virtual terminals for me
19:04 GhostlyDeath F7+ are X sessions, if any
19:04 codedevil Calinou: ok then it crashe for people that have more then one computer user
19:04 Calinou after 10-100 switches, yeah
19:04 codedevil GhostlyDeath: yes, that is what I said. txt <-> x1 <-> x2 switching
19:04 Calinou you usually switch 3 times at most
19:04 FreeFull When I boot I don't have any X sessions, and when I start one it remains in the VT I started it from
19:04 codedevil Calinou: I switch 10 times pere day or more
19:04 KikaRz Installing all my Linux Games (steam)
19:04 codedevil and uptime is months
19:04 FreeFull So right now I have X on F1
19:05 codedevil well - "would be" months
19:05 Calinou I shut down my PC at night, no need to waste power
19:05 codedevil Calinou: oh you silly you
19:05 codedevil mine litecoin, be rich
19:05 thexyz codedevil: why do you need to switch between them?
19:05 Calinou bitcoins are like forex
19:05 Calinou the end
19:05 codedevil Calinou: like opensource, people-owned forex, yea
19:06 codedevil thexyz: because there are few users
19:06 Calinou gtg
19:07 thexyz codedevil: I mean, why do you need to switch between txt <-> X
19:07 codedevil thexyz: even if not, it might be good idea to have one account for lolcats and interntez and jewtube and idiotbook, and anothre for say bank
19:07 KikaRz See ya later.
19:07 codedevil oh txt? for root
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19:07 KikaRz My rep per linux - 7,4/10
19:07 codedevil I think switching just between graphics can make problems too
19:07 codedevil KikaRz: rep?
19:07 KikaRz I'll be waiting answers for the Mic in QUERY
19:07 KikaRz codedevil, Linux Reputation for me
19:08 KikaRz well
19:08 KikaRz Evaluation
19:08 codedevil KikaRz: I told you. Go to sound volume controll, and turn EVERYTHING UP. also unmute EVERYTHING
19:08 KikaRz ALREADY
19:08 KikaRz Tell me in QUERY
19:08 KikaRz Dinner.
19:09 codedevil KikaRz: make sure you selected correct sound-input in the mixer.  ask  #alsa and #pulseaudio
19:10 codedevil anyone knows how to use power generator exactly?
19:10 codedevil I mean force field generator
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19:23 VanessaE codedevil: odd, I'm not sure now, except that it takes low-voltage wiring/battery box/solar panels to at least provide power
19:23 VanessaE (except, that doesn't work)
19:24 VanessaE RBA musthave busted it
19:25 KikaRz Back
19:25 reactor hmm
19:25 reactor RUN_IN_PLACE=0, but path_share and path_user = ..
19:25 reactor Weird.
19:27 reactor So, the problem is wrong paths.
19:28 reactor Because I've tried kludging them up, and the demo worked fine.
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19:29 AntonBoch1244 Hello Everyone!
19:30 VanessaE hi
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19:32 VanessaE ShadowNinja: *poke*
19:32 reactor So, eh.
19:33 reactor STATIC_SHAREDIR is correct
19:33 reactor what could cause them paths to be wrong then?
19:34 VanessaE I usually just specify -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=/usr  when I build for system-wide
19:34 VanessaE cmake . -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=/usr -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=0
19:34 VanessaE (but that's for linux, not sure how netbsd would differ in that regard)
19:35 thexyz plz
19:35 thexyz ENABLE_FREETYPE should be 1
19:35 VanessaE thexyz: not until bitmap fonts work at the same time as freetype.
19:36 AntonBoch1244 Check Mods
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19:36 thexyz VanessaE: bitmap fonts =(
19:37 thexyz are for sure better than unicode support
19:37 thexyz well, not unicode though
19:37 VanessaE thexyz: hey now, my font is beautiful. -->  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4436
19:37 thexyz no one cares about unicode
19:37 thexyz (it seems)
19:37 thexyz VanessaE: 404
19:37 VanessaE odd, how'd that happen?
19:37 * VanessaE fixes...
19:37 reactor fonts work fine here
19:37 reactor I think
19:38 Calinou thexyz, TTF fonts are not useful right now, mods or the game cannot adjust font size "locally"
19:38 Calinou only "globally" right now
19:38 VanessaE thexyz: fixed.
19:39 KikaRz VanessaE, answer me
19:39 VanessaE I'm busy
19:40 thexyz Calinou: why do they need to?
19:40 thexyz VanessaE: no in-game screenshots
19:40 * thexyz closes tab
19:41 Calinou thexyz, could be useful for HUD elements
19:41 thexyz Calinou: okay
19:41 KikaRz F12 - Screenshot in-game.
19:41 thexyz Calinou: how's that different from bitmap fonts then?
19:41 thexyz > mods or the game cannot adjust font size
19:41 Calinou if you upscale them they'll look ugly
19:42 VanessaE thexyz:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2005052013%20-%2009:51:55%20PM.png
19:42 Calinou TTF fonts won't
19:42 thexyz Calinou: yes, now what's wrong about ttf fonts compared to bitmap ones then?
19:42 KikaRz VanessaE, LOVE YOUR GAME!
19:42 reactor then
19:42 reactor is it better to compile with bitmap fonts then?
19:43 KikaRz Someone can commit to github?
19:43 PilzAdam reactor, no, compile with TTF
19:43 KikaRz I want to test "git pulL"
19:43 KikaRz I want to test "git pull"
19:43 thexyz reactor: well, if you don't need non-ascii support AND can spend time installing a different default font AND think ttf sucks, feel free to
19:44 AntonBoch1244 BB
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19:44 reactor hmm
19:44 VanessaE thexyz: and also this:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_1346055471.png
19:44 reactor also
19:44 reactor "Vorbis extension NOT present"
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19:45 reactor although I do remember compiling libvorbis
19:45 Calinou thexyz, wait... WTF brain
19:45 Calinou nevermind
19:45 Calinou lol, you even have to compile libvorbis
19:45 thexyz VanessaE: looks great
19:45 thexyz but no cyrillic
19:45 thexyz obviously
19:45 VanessaE right
19:45 VanessaE but now you see why I won't use freetype :)
19:47 reactor Cyrillic. В16 ДЕАГ
19:47 reactor Whoever invented it is a hipster. Why not use Latin script for Russian and such?
19:47 Jordach VanessaE, if i ever get a spare 21'' monitor, its yours
19:47 Jordach 1280x1024 is ancient
19:47 reactor Jordach: most people's eyes can't tell pixels apart on that.
19:48 VanessaE 1280x1024 * 2
19:48 Exio 1920x1080 ftw!
19:48 VanessaE which is plenty for me.
19:48 Jordach VanessaE, its widescreen
19:48 VanessaE (so 2560x1024)
19:48 PilzAdam Exio, +1
19:48 thexyz reactor: too fat
19:48 PilzAdam Exio, although, 4K anyone?
19:48 reactor thexyz: which one?
19:48 thexyz PilzAdam: how much does 4k monitor cost?
19:48 reactor thexyz: oh... you mean that... no, my face is not green.
19:48 PilzAdam thexyz, never seen one
19:48 Exio more than 4K! ;P
19:49 Calinou there is some 4K TV for ~$1500, no?
19:49 Calinou but they're still very big
19:49 Calinou just like WQHD >:o
19:49 * Calinou would like to see a 24" WQHD screen
19:49 Jordach Calinou, Apple makes 4K TVs in half the size through Retina Display
19:49 john_minetest Русский Сервер Минетест
19:49 Jordach </possible news>
19:50 Calinou Jordach, doesn't mean there is affordable WQHD or 4K
19:50 Calinou apple is apple, aka exclusivity
19:50 Exio overpriced stuff
19:50 john_minetest It is difficult to write stuff with a character chart.
19:50 thexyz john_minetest: almost
19:50 john_minetest thexyz: :D
19:51 VanessaE it's sad.  15 years ago you could cram 2048x1536 into a 14 inch CRT and it was tolerable.  then flat panels and eventually "HD" took over and everything went to hell
19:51 Calinou 2048×1536 CRTs were rare
19:51 Calinou and expensive, no?
19:52 VanessaE Calinou: interlaced video at 80Hz.  tolerable and cheap
19:52 Jordach but heavy
19:52 VanessaE Jordach: and how. :)
19:52 * Calinou would also like to see more 120hz
19:52 Calinou I bet linux support for 120hz is shit though
19:52 khonkhortisan I vote we remove the __newindex metatable in minetest.registered_nodes
19:53 khonkhortisan It keeps new entries from being created, but not existing entries being edited. It serves no useful purpose, specifically not its intended read-only behavior.
19:53 reactor Or... Do I need libogg instead of libvorbis?
19:53 john_minetest What is the advantage of 120 Hz over 60 Hz?
19:54 thexyz reactor: you need both
19:54 Jordach john_minetest, better fps
19:54 Calinou john_minetest, less latency with vsync, more fluidity
19:54 Calinou 120hz with vsync has 2× less latency than 60hz with vsync
19:54 reactor thexyz: or... are these the same?
19:55 Calinou no idea
19:55 Calinou to a BSD question, a BSD answer.
19:56 reactor okay.png
19:56 thexyz ogg is a container, vorbis is a codec
19:56 reactor Oh, I see.
19:57 Calinou ^
19:58 codedevil did I owned server again?
19:58 Calinou huh
19:59 codedevil massive slowdown
19:59 codedevil or not?
19:59 reactor Blowenfusen.
20:01 Calinou codedevil, which server?
20:01 Calinou lol'd @ Jordach's quit message
20:01 reactor Eh.
20:01 john_minetest "Quit: Minetest". Perfect advertisment xD
20:01 reactor VanessaE: compiled with the define you told me about, still ".." in paths.
20:02 VanessaE which server?
20:02 VanessaE reactor: hrm.  Sorry I can't be of more help
20:02 codedevil VanessaE: your
20:02 john_minetest reactor: What distro are you packing this for?
20:02 reactor mkay
20:02 codedevil works now
20:02 reactor john_minetest: NetBSD
20:02 VanessaE nope, it seems fine
20:02 reactor is the "distro"
20:03 reactor I'm almost getting it to run now.
20:03 * john_minetest has got an unused HDD...
20:03 VanessaE it's just a little laggy like usual, probably new terrain (mapgen is slow on my setup because of moretrees)
20:03 reactor The title screen is shown, if I kludge around the paths.
20:06 NakedFury have you guys ever thought about making the default trees a block or 2 higher?
20:06 reactor Is there a way to explicitly set them dirs via cmake entries?
20:07 Calinou john_minetest, put windows 8 on it
20:07 codedevil reactor: people play games on... netbsd?
20:07 Calinou NakedFury, sfan5 did a patch for this a while ago
20:07 Calinou codedevil, yeah, gnukart
20:07 Calinou NakedFury, but it wasn't merged
20:07 Calinou I'm fine with trees being small
20:07 reactor codedevil: newsflash! they do.
20:07 NakedFury they are too small
20:07 john_minetest Calinou: I could put Vista on it. Just in case I am bored and I have one unused fire extinguisher.
20:08 reactor codedevil: look, I think this package would be a good contrib to pkgsrc
20:08 Calinou codedevil, btw, the guy is trying to use software renderer
20:08 sfan5 Calinou: I made a patch for trees being higher?
20:08 Calinou game will be unplayable
20:08 Calinou sfan5, IIRC, yes
20:08 NakedFury if you play with moretrees they look like shrubs and compared to the player model they end up beeing too small too
20:08 * sfan5 does not remember that
20:08 reactor If it will, I'll still have a package to send.
20:09 reactor It's more about adding a package.
20:09 reactor -_-
20:09 Calinou and who will actually use it?
20:09 Calinou if you make a ubuntu/debian package, people will use it.
20:09 Calinou fedora/opensuse, a bit less but they still will.
20:09 VanessaE NakedFury: moretrees Beech were meant to replace the default trees.
20:09 VanessaE but I guess that'll not happen for a long time, if ever
20:09 Calinou not to mention your package will be quickly outdated (in a few months)
20:09 reactor Calinou: come on, people do run NetBSD on desktops.
20:09 Calinou haven't seen any
20:10 reactor Calinou: well, hello there.
20:10 john_minetest Hey, netbsd seems to be cool for older platforms. [Downloading...]
20:10 Exio i haven't seen any linux desktop irl
20:10 Calinou same, Exio :P
20:10 Calinou john_minetest, lol, is this sarcasm
20:10 codedevil chart movement is buggy
20:10 codedevil chart rides into walls if it rides-lags into not loaded chunk, then it keeps going in old direction
20:11 codedevil chart should pause on touching ignore surface, same like player
20:11 Calinou you mean cart
20:11 Calinou diagrams usually do not move around on rails
20:12 Exio lol ...
20:12 VanessaE codedevil: the problem is the carts use velocity or some such, and there's no API function to make an entity stop at a certain spot.
20:12 VanessaE so the carts can't stop if the server lags out.
20:13 codedevil I have 3 fps. wtf
20:14 Exio stop using valgrind
20:14 codedevil VanessaE: it could pause - server could stop sending events to cart
20:14 VanessaE codedevil: I think the client handles the movement once the server says 'go'
20:14 VanessaE it's just that there's no way for the server to tell the client '...and stop after X meters."
20:16 codedevil overall the architecture is wrong for a real game. e.g. wallhacking
20:16 VanessaE each time a cart turns, and every so often otherwise (say, every 5 seconds), the code should scan ahead at least 20-30 meters and determine if there's a reasonable place to stop, such as a hill or the next corner.  and of course the client+server need some API function to handle the result of that check.
20:17 VanessaE wallhacking is due to client-side prediction
20:17 codedevil server should move players back to last possible position, obviously
20:18 Calinou do it then
20:18 VanessaE there's been a lot of talk to figure that out, but no one's come up with *and implemented* a good solution
20:18 Calinou note that some servers have 1s+ latency
20:18 codedevil well
20:18 Calinou wallhack prevention is possible for entities and players, but not for the world in general
20:18 codedevil server has respondibility to check all movements
20:18 Calinou "wallhacking" refers to visibility
20:19 Calinou not movement
20:19 Calinou that's "noclip"
20:19 codedevil client should tell where he would *like* to be, and srv checks if that is valid move
20:19 codedevil there are 1 issues
20:19 Calinou also, client side moving is the future
20:19 codedevil 1 is wallhack due to server sending ALL DATA to client
20:19 codedevil 2 is server allowing to pass unbrakable(denied access) walls if you move quickly and server is slow, it undoes the blocks but lets you be in the place you shouldnt reach
20:21 Calinou minecraft does noclip prevention very well
20:21 Calinou it never failed
20:25 codedevil I seen it fail
20:25 codedevil break wall, open chest, nigger it up
20:25 codedevil when server puts you back to "legal" position (outside the protected room) it often do not undo your inventory with the loot
20:26 Calinou being too far away from chest doesn't close it
20:26 codedevil Sfan5 server working? I can't connect
20:27 sfan5 codedevil: make sure you use the new IP
20:27 sfan5 (althogh the old one should still work)
20:27 khonkhortisan Your favorite servers won't update ip like public ones will
20:27 codedevil I use the one from list of servers
20:27 codedevil oh
20:27 codedevil sfan5: is there pvp on your's server?
20:28 sfan5 codedevil: not really
20:28 Calinou codedevil, you can see flags in server list or http://servers.minetest.net
20:28 codedevil sfan5: survival without pvp?
20:28 Calinou (note that the "Ded" flag is not shown in the ingame server list, it's only for telling which servers are usually on 24/7)
20:28 Calinou P = pvp, C = creative, D = damage (health), * = no empty passwords
20:28 VanessaE codedevil: "nigger it up"?  wtf?
20:28 Calinou CDP* is a combination of all these
20:28 Calinou default is DP
20:29 sfan5 codedevil: pvp is enabled
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20:30 VanessaE jeez, 12 players on "ray's server"?  wtf am I doing wrong?
20:31 VanessaE (probably because I whitelist)
20:31 codedevil VanessaE: or jew it up
20:31 VanessaE codedevil: um...
20:31 codedevil do you have problem with word jew? ;)
20:31 * VanessaE <-- jewish.
20:31 Calinou VanessaE, way worse than the 212 players on Metacraft
20:31 codedevil but you have no problem murdering people right?  supporting "your troops"?
20:31 Calinou le facepalm
20:31 MJaoune hey, anyone here with a premium minecraft account? Don't mean anything but I have a server and i need people to operate it + advertise it
20:32 VanessaE Calinou: not familiar with that one
20:32 VanessaE codedevil: where did I say that?  I hate war.
20:32 Calinou that was the server that was attacked with join flood :P
20:32 codedevil VanessaE: allrighty then
20:32 VanessaE mine got joinflooded recently (maxed out at 85 or something)
20:33 Calinou codedevil, using|living in something doesn't mean you agree with everything the company|the country does
20:33 MJaoune anyone wants to be a minecraft server operator? -.-
20:33 VanessaE MJaoune: this is mineTEST not minecraft.
20:33 codedevil sfan5: your server says invalid password... did I just registered there with some random pass by mistake?
20:33 sfan5 codedevil: could be
20:33 codedevil sfan5: might deleting it or smth?
20:34 sfan5 codedevil: i'll reset your password
20:34 codedevil oki
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20:35 codedevil sfan5: you will PM me?
20:35 sfan5 yes
20:35 sfan5 but I can't connect o.O
20:35 VanessaE PilzAdam: by the way, your patch helps considerably, but while doing further testing, the TODO list stacked up WAY past 500,000.  You may want to consider some way of discarding those excess events once they exceed some second trheshold
20:35 VanessaE (probably stacking up due to routine server lag)
20:36 codedevil but why there are new events in the first place?
20:36 VanessaE fuck if I know
20:36 codedevil mabe same event gets re-queued if it didn't got executed
20:37 codedevil bbl
20:37 reactor Well.
20:37 reactor It runs.
20:37 reactor But everything is weird reddish.
20:37 sfan5 hm
20:38 sfan5 reactor: disable shaders
20:38 reactor oh
20:38 sfan5 !up sfan5.minetest.net 30001
20:38 MinetestBot sfan5.minetest.net:30001 is up (299ms)
20:38 reactor I forget.
20:38 Calinou shaders require opengl 2.0+ :P
20:38 Calinou and they're also slower
20:38 reactor 12 fps
20:38 reactor at least that...
20:39 reactor It's the sound that caused crashed, by the way. No libogg.
20:42 Calinou even my netbook has more than 12 fps
20:42 Calinou atom + IGP
20:47 reactor Well.
20:47 reactor It _kind_ of works, actually... everything is inside out.
20:49 sfan5 good night
20:50 reactor nighty night
20:53 john_minetest good night sfan5
20:55 Calinou night
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20:58 reactor I wonder what could cause that inside out appearance...
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21:10 Calinou reactor, Z-buffer not working right
21:10 reactor Oh.
21:10 Calinou fix: switch to linux, get a real driver...
21:10 * Calinou rolleyes
21:10 reactor I'm lucky, as always...
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21:15 VanessaE question:  should digging mossy stone give mossy cobble?
21:15 VanessaE (the mossy stone I added to gloopblocks that is.  Also, be sure you update to get the fixed abm)
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21:17 Exio can you smelt mossy cobble to get mossy stone
21:17 Exio or somehow get mossy stone from mossy cobble?
21:17 harrison logically no
21:17 VanessaE no, I would think that would give you clean stone.
21:17 harrison since the heat would kill the moss
21:17 VanessaE but mossy stone is produced by exposing stone to air.
21:17 harrison moss certainly
21:17 VanessaE er
21:17 VanessaE air and water
21:18 reactor depends on how much water.
21:18 reactor too much, and you get physical destruction
21:18 VanessaE reactor: in my mod, there just has to be water.
21:18 Exio harrison: that is why i said
21:18 VanessaE (and air)
21:18 Exio "somehow"
21:18 reactor oh
21:18 Exio but how would you obtain moss stone in your inv, then?
21:18 Exio a special tool?
21:19 reactor Speaking of Z-buffer.
21:19 VanessaE Exio: I suppose I could make a crafting recipe for it
21:19 reactor Is there a way to... eh. Correct its functioning?
21:24 VanessaE reactor: that would be somewhat difficult, I'm told
21:24 VanessaE if you mean the alpha/z-ordering issue
21:25 reactor Let me correct myself. It's not inside-out, it's just... weird.
21:25 reactor I don't see the surfaces right in front of me.
21:26 VanessaE oh the inside-out issue. eh... no clue there
21:26 reactor But I see some of these that are a bit farther.
21:26 Exio inside-out
21:26 Exio what
21:26 Exio screenshot? i don't know that
21:26 reactor Exio: my consciousness.
21:29 reactor I mean, I'll screen it tomorrow, for I'm going.
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21:29 Exio ok :/
21:30 reactor Thanks for help; good night.
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21:36 sokomine is io.popen longer supported or did i miss anything?
21:39 john_minetest io.popen sounds like a catholic python input-output function. Invented by the pope.
21:40 sokomine who knows. it does seem to be part of some mods so i wonder if i missed anything or if it never worked
21:41 PilzAdam last time I checked (some months ago) it worked only on windows
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21:41 KikaRz Gangnam style
21:41 KikaRz nanihonhakdakakjdaka
21:41 KikaRz lol
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21:41 KikaRz Hellop
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21:42 KikaRz Who can tell me why my Public servers list isn't appearing?
21:42 VanessaE you didn't build with cURL.
21:42 KikaRz didn't I?
21:42 KikaRz stupid Calinou
21:42 KikaRz How I build again?
21:42 KikaRz :(
21:42 PilzAdam everything you need is in the README
21:42 sokomine ah, thanks, pilzadam. that might be why. now i looked at the mod more closely i saw the working version used temporary files on unix and popen on win
21:43 KikaRz ... PilzAdam, shut up, I didn't asked you
21:43 sokomine compiling works really well on linux. it's only two commands (once you've got all the dependencies...)
21:44 PilzAdam sokomine, are you looking at the maps mod by any chance?
21:44 KikaRz what's dependency of cURL?
21:45 PilzAdam libcurl-gnut<something>
21:45 Exio KikaRz hates us PilzAdam :(
21:45 sapier curl on windows is missing dll selection in gui
21:46 KikaRz Exio, yes I do.
21:46 PilzAdam Exio, * >:)
21:46 Exio haha
21:46 KikaRz Just go get some sleep and PIRI PI PIRI PI PI PIRI PIRADINHA
21:46 KikaRz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JsVZQzyKYM
21:49 GhostlyDeath There are some serious power issues here
21:50 KikaRz Yes...
21:50 KikaRz VERY Serious...
21:51 KikaRz sfan5 can kill you... VanessaE can murder you...
21:51 KikaRz sokomine, how works your closed fence gates?
21:51 KikaRz they should open?
21:51 KikaRz They just flip
21:57 KikaRz PilzAdam, you grand M+ron, why you don't make a form to spawn sheeps and they reproducting?
21:57 VanessaE ?
21:58 * VanessaE wanders off to do something else.
21:59 KikaRz Oh... and you could... make ducks... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oave-jKePH0
21:59 KikaRz heh.
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22:07 sokomine maps mod? hm, no
22:08 sokomine kikarz: yes, the fence gates open by dropping to the ground. this type of gate is something you might lean against the rest of the fence rl - that's unpractical in mt, so i just let it drop
22:10 * sokomine puts up a fence gate and hopes to stop vanessae from wandering off
22:14 thexyz any non-sleeping windows users here?
22:15 sapier user no compiler ... recently
22:16 thexyz to confirm or deny this issue https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/765, official 0.4.7 build
22:16 sokomine sorry, i don't use windows
22:16 thexyz sapier: we only need to test official build
22:16 thexyz sokomine: wine is also OK
22:16 sapier ok official might work with 1.7 too
22:16 sapier at least without gettext
22:17 sokomine hm, wine, yes...you remind me of something. don't think i've got wine installed yet here
22:18 thexyz sapier: hmm?
22:18 sapier I didn't try with gettext enabled so I can't tell if it might work or not
22:19 thexyz sapier: I'm the one who makes official builds and I can assure you it comes with irrlicht 1.8
22:19 sapier oh you're talking about the binaries?
22:19 thexyz of course
22:21 thexyz see?
22:21 thexyz we don't have windows users
22:21 thexyz problem solvedr
22:21 PilzAdam yay!
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22:22 Flux1234 188.122.90.142:25565
22:22 Flux1234 Anti Griefing
22:22 Flux1234 Survival
22:22 Flux1234 Donator Ranks
22:22 Flux1234 Staff needed
22:22 Flux1234 More info at our website: outworldservers1.fluctis.com
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22:23 thexyz lol
22:23 PilzAdam ShadowBot works \o/
22:24 sapier right after he finished his advertisement
22:30 sokomine hm. anyone on who runs a (larger) public server and wants to try anything?
22:30 sokomine needs to be one with rollback enabled
22:31 NakedFury people will think now we are against server ad
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22:42 codedevil FreeFull: pvp?
22:44 FreeFull ?
22:44 codedevil player versus player fight is enabled?
22:44 FreeFull I'm not that guy
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22:48 codedevil their server is not working
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22:52 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, add an exception for that
22:53 codedevil sfan5: can't connect
22:56 mito551 hey
22:56 PilzAdam hi mito551
22:56 harrison ooh i love ascii art
22:56 mito551 hi
22:56 mito551 i actually have got myself wondering
22:57 PilzAdam harrison, its the right time for #spasim add now ;-)
22:57 mito551 if it would be a good idea to add more sections to the forum
22:57 PilzAdam *ad
22:57 mito551 to making mod and texturing sorting better
22:57 harrison mememememememememememmememememememememememememememememememememememememe
22:57 harrison _        internet insect           .
22:57 harrison _ __ ___   ___  _ __ ___   ___ | |__   ___  _ __  _ __   ___  _ __ .
22:57 harrison | '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ \ / _ \| '_ \| '_ \ / _ \| '__|.
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22:57 PilzAdam mito551, I guess the mod manager should do that
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22:58 PilzAdam harrison, please not in this channel
22:58 mito551 i'm looking at newbies
22:58 mito551 who can't find stuff
22:58 mito551 and for one thing
22:58 PilzAdam the plan is to add a frontend in the Minetest client
22:58 mito551 it's their fucking problem
22:58 mito551 for the other
22:59 mito551 it's our (your) fucking problem
22:59 mito551 oh.
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22:59 mito551 so like a texture pack and mod "online browser" ingame?
22:59 mito551 something even mc doesn't have?
22:59 PilzAdam kinda
22:59 mito551 sounds awesome
22:59 mito551 and still
23:00 mito551 forget the forum
23:00 mito551 i am still wondering
23:00 mito551 why you reject my sounds?
23:00 PilzAdam mito551, could you please stop splitting your sentences in several lines?
23:00 PilzAdam thats unreadable
23:00 mito551 ok, just a habit
23:01 mito551 and my mind flows like this. ideas come already after i sent some begging to this idea
23:01 mito551 begining*
23:02 PilzAdam IMO your sounds arent better than the current ones
23:02 mito551 what about jordan4ibanez's ones?
23:03 PilzAdam I never saw a proper pull request from him
23:03 PilzAdam he once passed me 2 or 3 sounfiles, but didnt told me what they are supposed to be
23:03 PilzAdam +d
23:03 mito551 have you heard them?
23:04 PilzAdam I have tested the once he gave me
23:04 PilzAdam he said he wanted to continue it to a complete soundpack for _game
23:05 mito551 did you like it?
23:05 PilzAdam I dont really know, I only heard 2 sounds of it
23:06 mito551 ok, i found two soundpacks
23:06 mito551 one of them is jordans
23:06 PilzAdam I can re-test your pull request and give you more precide criticism if you want
23:06 PilzAdam *precise
23:07 mito551 that would be better
23:07 mito551 when will you do that?
23:07 PilzAdam tomorrow
23:07 mito551 ok
23:07 mito551 thank you
23:07 PilzAdam (its 1:07 AM here)
23:07 mito551 i'm looking forward to cooperating with you
23:07 mito551 it 3 am by me
23:08 PilzAdam russian?
23:09 mito551 yeah
23:11 codedevil VanessaE: there is some bug
23:11 kahrl being able to knock out torches with snowballs is a neat little feature
23:11 kahrl </randomthoughtoftheday>
23:12 codedevil when ever I go there is phantom noice of doors opening and shutting (or chest)? wtf
23:12 codedevil VanessaE: wtf
23:13 mito551 kahrl that actually soudns nice
23:13 * sokomine throws a snowball at kahrl
23:13 PilzAdam kahrl, I guess flushing torches with water away would be better
23:13 PilzAdam and other buildable_to or not walkable nodes too
23:13 kahrl no I was saying that that feature already exists :)
23:14 kahrl just place the snow on top of a torch
23:14 PilzAdam oh
23:14 sokomine if water ever flushes anything away, please don't do it the minecraft way. digging 1 sand close to water and then almost downing in the immense current that creates and that will never end just feels too strange
23:14 sokomine poor torch :-)
23:14 mito551 good night
23:23 codedevil how you use travelnet
23:26 khonkhortisan to set it up or to travel with it?
23:30 codedevil to set up
23:30 codedevil ok I did it
23:30 sokomine just place it somewhere, enter name of station and name of network (leave owner name empty) and it ought to be ready
23:30 * VanessaE is back.
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23:36 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=94152#p94152
23:37 VanessaE codedevil: the door open/close sounds have some weird positioning bug that I can't figure out
23:37 VanessaE and the hear distance is like 30 when it's explicitly set to 5.
23:37 VanessaE I have no idea how to fix it.
23:38 VanessaE PilzAdam: done.
23:44 VanessaE if someone wants to look, https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/blob/master/doors_and_gates.lua#L308
23:44 VanessaE why is this code producing sounds that aren't properly localized?
23:46 codedevil how to list players
23:46 VanessaE /status
23:47 PilzAdam VanessaE, read lua-api.txt :-p
23:47 VanessaE PilzAdam: I did.  how do you think I got sounds working to begin with? :P
23:47 PilzAdam its (spec, parameters) and not (spec and parameters mixed up to one table)
23:48 sapier maybe a non mono sound somewhere?
23:48 PilzAdam nope
23:48 PilzAdam it would be completly loactionless otherwise
23:48 sapier true
23:48 PilzAdam also, why do you keep guessing if I already said the solution
23:49 sapier hmm didn't realize this was the solution :-)
23:49 VanessaE PilzAdam: the API doesn't make it clear what to do with parameters versus spec.
23:49 PilzAdam it does
23:49 VanessaE where?
23:49 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1188
23:49 VanessaE there is exactly one occurrence of "sound_play" at ...well right there.
23:50 VanessaE and where are "parameters" defined?
23:50 PilzAdam Ctrl + F "sound parameter table"
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23:50 PilzAdam Ctrl + F "SimpleSoundSpec"
23:50 VanessaE there are exactly four occurrences of that word in the API doc, none of which point to such a thing.
23:50 VanessaE (of "parameters")
23:51 sapier 211
23:51 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L211
23:51 VanessaE *facepalm*
23:51 PilzAdam you really need to learn how to use Ctrl+F in lua-api.txt :-p
23:51 VanessaE ok that's the spec.  what are the *parameters*?
23:51 VanessaE this shit is NOT clearly defined.
23:51 sapier imho lua_api.txt has become to big and lost lots of use therefore
23:51 PilzAdam 211 are parameters, 235 is spec
23:52 PilzAdam sapier, its still the most usefull way for me
23:52 kahrl lua_api.txt is kind of hard to navigate sometimes but there is http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.sound_play
23:52 sapier maybe we should at least put a note there where to look for the description
23:52 VanessaE there should be a working example in the API of how to do things like this, especially when it requires looking up more than one level of indirection
23:53 PilzAdam VanessaE, the dev wiki is for examples
23:53 PilzAdam lua-api.txt is just a short reference
23:53 VanessaE I never use the dev wiki because it's not as easily searched.
23:53 VanessaE kahrl: thanks
23:53 PilzAdam its good if you already know what you are looking for
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23:53 MinerofLands OldCoder are you available for a pm?
23:54 OldCoder Hi
23:54 OldCoder Yes
23:54 sapier lua_api.txt is suboptimal I guess thinking about how to improve it is usefull ... even if we don't find a quick solution
23:54 PilzAdam MinerofLands, the code for the economy game is pretty much done
23:54 PilzAdam MinerofLands, now all the content needs to be added
23:54 MinerofLands that is great to hear PilzAdam...what type of content i can do it today
23:55 PilzAdam the crafting levels and "worthiness" fields for all items need to be done
23:55 PilzAdam and also include more mods than default
23:55 PilzAdam sapier, dont touch lua-api.txt, better improve the dev wiki
23:56 sapier I don't have dev wiki if I'm offline
23:56 sapier and I don't trust it either as it's way more outdated that lua_api.txt .. later one is at least enforced by commit policy
23:57 PilzAdam I dont want lua-api.txt to get bloated
23:57 PilzAdam its fast, precise and accurate
23:57 sapier it already is bloated
23:57 sapier sorry to tell you
23:57 PilzAdam the API is maybe bloated ;-)
23:58 sapier no api is complex ... and as everywhere as complexity rises simple methods wont be usefull to manage it at some point
23:58 PilzAdam it is not the goal to be user friendly in lua-api.txt, just give a complete (and short) reference of the API
23:59 sapier a documentation not beeing userfriendly is as having noc documentation at all
23:59 kahrl perhaps a parser could be written that produces an interlinked HTML or PDF version of lua_api.txt
23:59 PilzAdam feel free to write lua-api.pdf

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