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01:50 ShadowNinja * Google now recomends MineCraft for xbox for ShadowNinja.
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03:26 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
03:27 ShadowNinja Hello!
03:28 thefamilygrog66 Check this out: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6195
03:31 ShadowNinja Neat!
03:32 thefamilygrog66 Thanks - sfan5 did all the work - I just cobbled together some code. It works though!
03:33 Kacey One person can only take so much stress and anger build up until they reach their breaking point and snap. Today I reached my breaking point.
03:34 thefamilygrog66 Sounds like a rough day.
03:43 Kacey the whole story is here: http://youngderp.wordpress.com/ (or most of what has been happening for a while)
03:45 NakedFury well the new version might cheer you up
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04:50 ch98 is there anyone with unused computer with minetest i can borrow?
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04:52 ch98 with minetest means it can install minetest
04:53 VanessaE heh
04:53 thefamilygrog66 it needs the lotion
04:55 VanessaE careful, that stuff might come up as "military grade plastique explosives" at an airport terminal :)
04:55 VanessaE grog, check out my server, it's really starting to blossom :-)
04:55 thefamilygrog66 haha
04:55 thefamilygrog66 cool, I'll stop by soon
04:55 thefamilygrog66 did you see my new ridiculous mod, V?
04:55 VanessaE no?
04:56 VanessaE instant cabin?
04:56 thefamilygrog66 yes!
04:56 VanessaE just saw it in the new posts
04:57 VanessaE hah, cute!
04:58 thefamilygrog66 if I copied some code from something that's AGPL, do I need to license my mod the same, or can I still use WTFPL?
04:58 thefamilygrog66 thanks
04:59 VanessaE I'm not sure at all actually
05:01 Kacey heh the reference V i get it...
05:07 VanessaE :)
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05:18 thefamilygrog66 Hey VanessaE, maybe I should try combining your flowers mod with my instant cabins, but add a few other buildings, and have random buildings spawn throughout the world... :)
05:18 VanessaE don't 'combine' mine - the default game has flowers now :)
05:18 thefamilygrog66 which doesn't work
05:18 VanessaE however, plants_lib should allow for that.
05:18 VanessaE are you using 0.4.7?
05:19 thefamilygrog66 not on my server, no
05:19 thefamilygrog66 my client on my linux box is running the daily build, but the server is running the last stable 0.4.6
05:20 thefamilygrog66 so I removed the built-in flowers and added yours instead
05:20 VanessaE ah
05:21 thefamilygrog66 nothing was growing!
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05:28 VanessaE well one thing I just discovered, having my CPU set to "ondemand" is costing me a good 5 fps in the game.
05:28 VanessaE (set it to 'performance' for all cores and got an instant boost)
05:30 Kacey it is getting so late here that i can barely see straight...
05:34 VanessaE I'm also nothing that aticonfig shows my GPU is at 0% load most of the time
05:34 VanessaE noting*
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05:41 VanessaE wow, shaders are expensive on my box now.  odd.
05:41 VanessaE 23 fps in 'ondemand mode' and shaders, 27 fps in 'performance' mode, 37 fps if I turn off shaders
05:45 Kacey seconds of lag!
05:46 Kacey 10.5
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08:05 Calinou lol'd http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=93633#p93633
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09:01 qznc Yay, 0.4.7 \o/
09:01 qznc MapgenV7 does not work yet?
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09:22 whirm1 where's the changelog?
09:24 qznc Changelog: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.6_.E2.86.92_0.4.7
09:27 Calinou qznc: it doesn't
09:27 Calinou it only generates stone anyway
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10:00 KikaRz hey there
10:00 KikaRz finally... 1.7.4 launched up
10:00 KikaRz *0.4.7
10:01 KikaRz Good news: Portugal schools now support Minetest
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10:13 whirm1 qznc: thx!
10:17 Calinou portugal schools now use something newer than pentium III?
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10:37 rubenwardy Hi all!
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10:54 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:59 rubenwardy Installer added: http://minetest.net/download
10:59 rubenwardy Hi!
11:00 Calinou hi
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11:21 rubenwardy close one http://i.imgur.com/ZX5gQ.gif
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12:18 * john_minetest just took a cool-looking screenshot.
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12:45 rubenwardy what the fuck is tjbarber doing?
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12:48 rubenwardy what the fuck are you doing tjbarber?
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12:48 KikaRz Hello >(
12:48 KikaRz :)
12:48 rubenwardy Hi
12:49 KikaRz So, what are you people doing_
12:49 KikaRz ?
12:50 rubenwardy Having a party
12:50 rubenwardy PA's dancing
12:50 KikaRz Where? *-*
12:50 rubenwardy (really bad)
12:50 rubenwardy In this room of course!
12:50 KikaRz PA = Who?
12:50 rubenwardy PilzA
12:50 KikaRz ... Damn, that guy...
12:50 rubenwardy he who shall not be named
12:51 rubenwardy Satan!
12:51 KikaRz Well, let me change my keyboard and my language
12:51 PilzAdam rubenwardy, you can write my full nick, PA pings me anyway
12:51 rubenwardy damn
12:51 rubenwardy just like how ruben and ward pings me
12:51 KikaRz éàèé
12:51 KikaRz working :D
12:52 rubenwardy What you doing, PA?
12:52 PilzAdam watching scrubs
12:52 rubenwardy ah
12:54 KikaRz omfg, damn windows got 113 updates to do??
12:54 rubenwardy Great party
12:54 rubenwardy Jordach is in the corner rapping
12:55 KikaRz Well... anyways... I already tried version 0.4.7 into my college network
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12:56 Calinou PilzAdam: pulseaudio haters will highlight you often ;)
12:57 KikaRz guys, one baby died on Italy, because the kid that has 2 years old, was forgotten 8 hours in the car... at hot temperatures.
12:57 KikaRz car reached 60º C
12:58 KikaRz And... died a baby in Aveiro, Portugal.
12:58 KikaRz At 4 years that a baby of 9 months died after hours forgotten into a car.
13:13 BlockMen finally it stops rising -> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/06/07/water-stops-rising-in-flood-hit-germany/2399319/
13:39 harrison Has anyone ever gotten pulseaudio to work? Or is it actually a metalevel joke: an open software project designed to be uninstallable?
13:40 harrison That is certainly my experience.
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13:47 rubenwardy Is this correct microcontroller code? if(B)off(B)elseon(B);
13:49 rubenwardy if(A&&!D)on(D);if(A&&C)if(B)off(B)elseon(B);;
13:51 rubenwardy if(A&!D)on(D);if(A&C)off(D)if(B)off(B)elseon(B);;
13:52 rubenwardy how can I toggle a point?
13:52 BlockMen bye
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13:56 rubenwardy You guys are so helpful
13:56 rubenwardy if(A&!D)on(D);if(A&C)off(D)if(B)off(B)>on(B);;
13:57 rubenwardy done
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14:02 rubenwardy !up rubenwardy.no-ip.biz
14:02 MinetestBot rubenwardy.no-ip.biz:30000 is up (529ms)
14:03 rubenwardy Making a self  repairing bridge
14:05 rubenwardy or cornveyer belt
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14:22 rubenwardy bye all
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14:30 sfan5 hi
14:35 NakedFury hi
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14:37 PilzAdam rubenwardy, lua controller
14:37 rubenwardy but thats cheating!
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15:05 Zeg9 Hello!
15:06 VanessaE hi all
15:06 Kacey good morning all
15:06 Jordach hey all
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15:09 swilde hi *,  I wonder if some change made lava sees (in subterrestial caves) less common or even no longer generated.
15:10 PilzAdam nope
15:10 NakedFury there hasnt been a world gen work on a while that I remember
15:10 VanessaE seas*
15:10 swilde searching for one I've been digging down about -1300 not seeing any, but then it seems I'm just unlucky...
15:11 * swilde needs mor obsidian
15:11 swilde PilzAdam: thanks, i'll try another spot...
15:14 Zeg9 swilde: I still have lava "seas" but they are different than before, they are not flat
15:21 Jordach what are the minetest textures licensed as
15:21 VanessaE cc-by-sa
15:21 PilzAdam see README
15:21 Jordach thanks VanessaE
15:21 PilzAdam not all have the same license
15:22 PilzAdam so, what VanessaE said is wrong
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15:23 VanessaE when was that changed?
15:23 VanessaE the readme still says it.
15:24 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L253
15:24 VanessaE so if I'm wrong, you're just as wrong for citing the same document I am.
15:24 PilzAdam e.g. your textures are marked as WTFPL
15:25 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/README.txt#L73
15:25 VanessaE I'm pretty sure he's asking about the license of the distribution as a whole
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15:25 VanessaE not of the individual textures
15:26 VanessaE either way only one of the two documents can be correct - fix one of them.
15:26 sfan5 !server ping:least
15:26 MinetestBot sfan5: Minetest❤Ru | minetest.ru | Clients: 2/100 | Version: 0.4.5 | ping: 0.102
15:26 PilzAdam well, then you have to choose the most restrictive license, wich is CC BY-SA
15:26 PilzAdam VanessaE, what two documents?
15:27 VanessaE PilzAdam: the two readmes.
15:27 PilzAdam there are like 20 READMEs in my minetest folder
15:27 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt  versus  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/README.txt
15:28 PilzAdam the first one only applies to the engine
15:28 PilzAdam (+ minimal)
15:28 VanessaE ok
15:29 VanessaE still, cc-by-sa is the correct answer either way, if you take Jordach's question to mean what I presumed.
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15:30 PilzAdam well, you can still redistribute your textures under a different license
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15:31 PilzAdam so telling people that some of the textures are WTFPL is good
15:33 VanessaE meh
15:33 VanessaE at least we're not arguing about permissive vs. non-permissive licenses ala mauvebic
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15:40 Jordach *microwave ding* http://i.imgur.com/aWU4MtU.png
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15:44 Jordach hexchat crash
15:46 Jordach VanessaE, seen my website design yet?
15:46 VanessaE saw it.  too busy for my taste
15:46 Jordach and you say the current one isnt
15:47 Jordach go look at minetest.net and compare
15:48 VanessaE meh, don't really care anyway
15:51 Zeg9 anyone knows an simple uploader (no javascript, no ads etc.) like ompldr, but not dead?
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15:53 khonkhortisan www.tiikoni.com/tis/‎ idk about js
15:54 Zeg9 does it only allow images?
15:54 khonkhortisan oh
15:54 Zeg9 never mind, I wanted to post a gimp file anyway
15:54 khonkhortisan I think so
15:54 VanessaE why not use github?  images can be linked-to directly without using js, and of course you know how to manage the files in your repo
15:55 Zeg9 TIS thing seems to work fine
15:56 Zeg9 well now firefox wants to open .xcf's with krita...
15:56 VanessaE I didn't know anything but gimp could open those
15:56 VanessaE :)
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15:57 Zeg9 rubenwardy, /me made an image for the installer
15:57 Zeg9 http://i.imgur.com/IzrxAza.png
15:58 rubenwardy Code?
15:58 rubenwardy https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/5397343
15:59 Zeg9 WizardImageFile=*.bmp
15:59 Zeg9 I'll try now with the script
16:00 Zeg9 hmm where did I put inno setup again
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16:01 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
16:01 Zeg9 Hi
16:01 VanessaE hi
16:02 thexyz Zeg9: mega?
16:02 thexyz oh, no javascript
16:02 Zeg9 Wait, there are bash scripts for it
16:02 Zeg9 I think mega is the best uploader ATM
16:03 Zeg9 rubenwardy: does this run from minetest win32 .zip?
16:03 rubenwardy yeah
16:04 Zeg9 Could not read "Z:\home\guillaume\Desktop\minetest-0.4.7\minetest\doc\INSTALL.txt".
16:05 Zeg9 never mind, made an empty file
16:06 rubenwardy I just got readme.txt and took all unnessacary stuff out
16:07 rubenwardy and added >> DO NOT INSTALL INTO PROGRAM FILES << at the top
16:10 Zeg9 Inno setup is annoying me with his bitmap files, it requires some special settings...
16:11 Zeg9 and of course I never remember them
16:12 rubenwardy http://www.1stwebdesigner.com/inspiration/programming-jokes-comics-videos/
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16:27 * ShadowNinja got his first kernel panic, yay...
16:28 ShadowNinja How do I view this gparted dialog that takes up more than the height of my screen?
16:29 ShadowNinja Something is apparently wrong with the main partition of the SDCard
16:36 sokomine kernel panics where more common at the beginning of linux. now they almost only happen if you forget a driver that's needed for startup
16:37 sokomine why are you using an sdcard anyway? handy? raspberry pi? something similar?
16:38 Jordach sokomine, yup
16:38 Jordach ShadowNinja is using one
16:38 sokomine what exactly? :-)
16:38 sokomine the pi?
16:39 Jordach yes
16:39 Jordach sokomine, i have a secret minetest server
16:41 sokomine hm :) i suppose each local game is a "secret" server in a way :-) so what's special about yours?
16:41 ShadowNinja Grrr, with this much damage I will need to start over.
16:41 sokomine running one on a raspberry pi might be very intresting
16:41 sokomine hope you'll get it running, shadowninja
16:41 sokomine or do have a replacement card at hand if the card's the problem
16:42 Jordach sokomine, mines outward facing as a public server
16:46 sokomine ah. so what's secret about it?
16:46 sokomine does it have any good builds?
16:46 PilzAdam nobody plays on it :-p
16:47 sokomine hi pilzadam
16:47 sokomine hm, yes, we have more than enough servers....
16:47 sokomine though thanks to the new serverlist at startup, more players seem to join
16:47 Zeg9 depends if it is going to be different...
16:51 Zeg9 sfan5: on your server when I click back (to access inventory_plus) it just changes the crafting grid position
16:51 khonkhortisan > bin/minetest --keep-restarting-until-unit-tests-succeed
16:52 PilzAdam better fix: change one of the sleep_ms(50); to 100 in test.cpp (cant remember wich one)
17:00 sfan5 Zeg9: in case you want to quickly upload a file: http://sfan5.dyndns.org/upload/
17:00 Zeg9 sfan5: thanks, I'll use this next time. Whats the expire time?
17:00 sfan5 none
17:00 sfan5 yet..
17:01 sfan5 but I can't guarantee uptime
17:01 sfan5 I'll first make it look nicer, then I'll maybe put it onto my vps
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17:02 PilzAdam sfan5, it already looks incredible good
17:02 PilzAdam dont bloat it
17:03 sfan5 looks good? it looks very minimalistic
17:05 Zeg9 Minimalistic = good
17:05 Zeg9 Maybe add a bit of CSS just for a background color or something like that, maybe a logo, font and it will be done.
17:07 sfan5 actually going to do that now
17:07 Jordach <3 CSS
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17:09 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/5oHKEZn.png
17:11 Zeg9 Nice, maybe change the grey part to a dark red
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17:11 Zeg9 (for lava)
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17:18 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/TjyvAh2.png Zeg9
17:19 Calinou I'd make the yellow more orange-ish
17:20 Calinou looks like the paste intel puts in their CPUs since ivy bridge + red dots right now
17:20 VanessaE Zeg9:  https://github.com/Zeg9/minetest-steel/pull/2
17:20 Jordach Calinou, i remember when minetest had > 100 textures
17:21 Calinou it still does
17:22 Jordach Calinou, http://i.imgur.com/2xIM0vV.png
17:22 Calinou make it even more orange-ish
17:23 Calinou and it should look good
17:25 Jordach Calinou, i've changed the texture several times
17:25 Jordach my gpu is having its fragments again
17:25 * Zeg9 prefered the yellow-ish one
17:26 Calinou Jordach: update to nvidia 320.18
17:26 Calinou :huge phoronix rolleyes:
17:26 Jordach Calinou, zing
17:26 Calinou actually that's sarcasm
17:26 Calinou 320.18 is really, really broken and AFAIK has a fucked up voltage regulator
17:26 Calinou == can destroy GPUs/cause artefacts and high temps
17:27 * Calinou is still on 319.17 since he upgraded to 13.04
17:27 Jordach im using 266.77
17:27 Jordach and i can render 100000+ tris
17:27 VanessaE Zeg9: wait on that pull request, I need to fix it.
17:28 Zeg9 ok
17:28 Zeg9 VanessaE: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=93669#p93669
17:28 Zeg9 Please fix the on_rightclick thing
17:29 VanessaE sure
17:30 VanessaE ok, pull request is updated.
17:31 VanessaE checking homedecor npw
17:31 VanessaE now*
17:32 VanessaE actually keep waiting on that request
17:32 VanessaE it'll have the same issue you reported on homedecor's doors code (lighting is affected too)
17:32 Jordach HUH
17:33 Jordach forward slash nolonger highlights itself anymore
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17:35 Jordach imgur y u timeout
17:35 VanessaE Zeg9: ok, my pull request is finished, and I made the requested changes to homedecor.
17:35 Zeg9 Thanks!
17:36 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/AGoEoCr.png
17:36 Zeg9 VanessaE: what about using item_place_node instead of add_node ? This would make it compatible with all protector mods at once
17:36 Jordach grass_1-5.png done
17:37 Calinou Jordach: dat goofy smiles
17:37 Calinou on bones
17:37 Jordach Calinou, yeah
17:37 Calinou <Jordach> and i can render 100000+ tris
17:37 * Zeg9 likes the bones :D
17:37 Calinou play stuntrally, the linux version of anno 2070
17:37 Zeg9 ...also the grass lol
17:37 Calinou 700k tris 60 FPS very high settings
17:38 Jordach Calinou, im geforce 62xx
17:38 Calinou this game is unplayable on max settings with any graphics card :P
17:38 Jordach i can upgrade to geforce 70xx
17:38 Calinou you're a graphics card now? :D
17:38 Jordach Calinou, haha
17:38 Jordach Calinou, ever seen the MC pack tiny pixels?
17:38 Jordach !g tiny pixels pack
17:38 MinetestBot Jordach: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/873112-16x-124-tiny-pixels-by-leostereo-25th-of-march-now-with-pocket-edition-support/
17:38 Jordach there we go
17:38 Jordach i think
17:38 Jordach MinetestBot, get better im feeling lucky searches
17:39 VanessaE Zeg9: could you edit the pull request and try it out?  I've never used that function before.
17:39 Calinou \o/ leo stereo
17:39 Calinou this guy is way worse than KrisEike at trolling, but still
17:39 Jordach thats the pack
17:39 Jordach mine looks identical
17:40 Jordach except has a hybrid OCD feel
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17:42 * VanessaE tries it out with homedecor lighting code
17:42 * VanessaE does not.
17:42 Jordach hi ShadowBot
17:42 Jordach hey MinetestBot
17:42 MinetestBot Hello Jordach
17:42 Jordach at least MinetestBot likes me :)
17:42 ShadowNinja Running an onler copy.
17:43 * Calinou is stuck on "hell" on candy box hardmode :(
17:43 Calinou tried turtle potions and all that, still fails
17:43 Calinou level 5 sword of life (can't go above level 5)
17:43 ShadowNinja older*
17:43 * Jordach hands Calinou a masterball
17:44 Calinou this isn't pokemon >:o
17:45 VanessaE Zeg9: I don't see how to work this function into my code as there's no way to set the facedir when placing the node
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17:47 Zeg9 VanessaE: never mind,I'll merge it as-is
17:47 Zeg9 Maybe I'll borrow some code from homedecor to check for protects
17:47 VanessaE Zeg9: I didn't add anything into that code to check for ownership, so you'll..yeah
17:48 Zeg9 I'll maybe try my idea before if I have time though
17:48 VanessaE ok
17:48 VanessaE maybe if you blindly execute the function and check if the returned itemstack was modified?
17:49 VanessaE and then overwrite the placed node with the real one if true
17:49 Zeg9 Hmm. Maybe using after_place_node or on_construct...
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17:50 Zeg9 Never mind, I'll use code from homedecor :D
17:50 VanessaE heh
17:50 Zeg9 oh, gpl...
17:51 * Jordach hears Zeg9 say NOPE in his head
17:51 VanessaE go ahead and use it anyway
17:51 sokomine why that? the gpl's not likely to cause trouble for a mod?
17:51 VanessaE I don't care :)
17:51 PilzAdam VanessaE, you do notice you just released the code as WTFPL?
17:51 VanessaE the mod as a whole is only GPL because it uses some bits and pieces from the default game.
17:52 VanessaE the function you need is safe to use under WTFPL if you want
17:52 VanessaE as it's all my own code
17:52 Zeg9 sokomine: my mod is wtfpl but homedecor is gpl so I wouldnt use code from it. But if its ok to release this part under wtfpl...
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17:52 sokomine ah, ok
17:52 Jordach hey BrandonReese
17:52 BrandonReese hey
17:53 john_minetest game
17:53 john_minetest oops, wrong window
17:57 Jordach btw, i suggest we change the wieldhand to something more like the player's hand
17:57 Jordach ...or actually use the player models arm
18:01 Zeg9 Steel mod updated
18:02 NakedFury I wanna use two hands when I swing my pick axe
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18:07 Jordach you know that bug where saplings cause light errors
18:09 sfan5 so apparently my mail account got hacked :/
18:09 sfan5 good thing I have 3 others
18:09 PilzAdam by sfan4 ?
18:09 sfan5 ??
18:10 Jordach ha
18:10 * Zeg9 leaves ! bye all !
18:15 sfan5 ! 2011 - 16
18:15 sfan5 !c 2011 - 16
18:15 MinetestBot 1995
18:16 sfan5 !c 5991 + 61
18:16 MinetestBot 6052
18:16 Jordach !c 2012 mod 4
18:16 MinetestBot 0
18:16 Jordach huh
18:16 Jordach it supports mod
18:16 Jordach !c 2012 mod 5
18:16 MinetestBot 2
18:16 Jordach modulo ops are allowed
18:16 Jordach MY GOD
18:24 VanessaE PilzAdam: something needs done with sheep so that they don't gather into small holes, maybe make them die off if they can't move more than, oh, 3 nodes
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18:25 VanessaE maybe that would be too hard, but anyway
18:25 Jordach or limit their spawning]#
18:25 VanessaE that too
18:26 VanessaE and fix the bug that causes them to keep disappearing
18:26 PilzAdam I would rather add some anti "walk over cliff edge" protection
18:26 VanessaE don't let them spawn more than some number in a map block
18:26 sokomine mobf checks if there arn't too many of the same type of mobs around in the same area. guess that's one of the factors that makes it slower
18:26 PilzAdam simple mobs already has this limit
18:27 sokomine ah. fine
18:27 PilzAdam the engine passes an active_object_count to the spawn ABM
18:27 sokomine trouble is that your sheep "climb" (=jump) on each other. if there're many of them, they may stack 3-4 sheep high - and thus escape
18:27 VanessaE PilzAdam: then why was I finding huge numbers crammed into a cage until I put stone bricks on the floor thereof?
18:28 sokomine they're not well suited to be kept as farm animals :-( but they're certainly better than nothing
18:28 sokomine at least something *is* running around :-)
18:29 VanessaE also regarding carts, the collision box is too big - a mesecons piston one node over can push a cart off of its tracks.
18:29 john_minetest lol, sheeps played too much Medal of Honor and try buddy boost xD
18:30 sokomine what's buddy boost?
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18:30 sokomine but yes, maybe they did. they're sheep with faces. creepy animals in a way :-)
18:31 Jordach john_minetest, lol MoH
18:32 john_minetest Jordach: I have one of the MoHs for PC. The singleplayer mission is much too short, the MP part has only a few maps and sniper guns are too weak in the beginning.
18:33 john_minetest I prefer operation flashpoint - dragon rising. It has a VERY long SP mission and MP is always cool on this big map. Open world FTW.
18:36 Jordach fuck. just potted the cue ball in pool
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19:47 Jordach i have a player texture possible upgrade
19:47 Jordach it involves the shiny hat layer no one has used
19:47 Jordach (i made the hair as a hat!)
19:51 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/OupOmsB.png
19:51 VanessaE not bad.
19:51 Jordach VanessaE, it does look better in some aspects
19:52 Jordach it doesnt feel flat
19:52 * Jordach installs git
19:52 PilzAdam what if a mod wants to add a hat?
19:52 Jordach they overwrite the layer
19:52 Jordach Minecraft does the same, infact it removes the hat layer
19:53 Jordach ours is better due to the ability to overlay textures
19:53 Jordach (at runtime)
19:54 Calinou gotta like the "LE"
19:54 Calinou Jordach: +1 for hair as hat
19:54 Calinou pull request maybe ;)
19:54 Jordach thank you.
19:54 Jordach Calinou, installing git as we speak
19:54 Calinou sudo apt-get install <tons of shit> <= first thing I do after installing a fresh *buntu system :3
19:56 Jordach Calinou, yeah
19:56 Jordach ubuntu-restricted-extras being one of said things
19:56 Jordach Calinou, i also darkened the hair under the hat layer
19:57 PilzAdam doesnt this violate the simplicity of the model?
19:58 Jordach PilzAdam, and
19:58 Jordach no-one makes use of the hat layer afaik
19:58 * PilzAdam just being a naysayer
19:59 Calinou Jordach: I actually don't have ubuntu-restricted-extras
19:59 Jordach PilzAdam, ill give you some euros and buy yourself a double espresso
19:59 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/5742928/ :3
20:00 Calinou vrms doesn't count steam and warsow too, since they're from external repos :P
20:01 Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/168
20:01 Jordach gogogo
20:01 Jordach i might tweak the player texture further and move the eyes and mouth higher
20:02 Jordach because pavel_s noted that the player model is missing it's mouth, which is on the jaw line
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20:04 Calinou would look weird, no?
20:04 Calinou gotta like how you named the player :P
20:06 Jordach im also fixing the moonflower pull request RBA wanted
20:07 Jordach and perhaps a glowing node as well
20:09 Calinou inb4 default:glowing_mese crafted from 9 mese blocks
20:09 VanessaE "compressed" mese
20:09 VanessaE infinity-blocks mod already did that
20:09 VanessaE or infinity-tools or whatever itwas
20:10 Jordach im not suggesting glow mese
20:10 PilzAdam how about making mese glowing, so the shards can be used for the glowing dye system RBA wants
20:10 VanessaE besides, mesecons already makes mese blocks glow :)
20:10 Jordach yeah
20:10 VanessaE (when they're powered - they're conductive)
20:10 Jordach mese fragments make yellow lamps
20:10 NakedFury glowing mese would be cool
20:10 VanessaE PilzAdam: shards are already used to make maesecons.
20:10 VanessaE mesecons*
20:11 PilzAdam you know, there can be more thatn 1 recipe that uses a material
20:11 PilzAdam -t
20:11 VanessaE yes but given how simplistic default recipes tend to be....
20:11 VanessaE :)
20:11 PilzAdam for mesecons you need to cook them, right?
20:11 VanessaE I don't remember actually
20:12 PilzAdam shard + dye = glowing dye
20:12 PilzAdam or/and shard + stick = mese torch
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20:13 VanessaE no
20:13 VanessaE shard needs to be ground into powder first.
20:14 Jordach how about the moonflower making the dye
20:14 ExcaliburZero I just downloaded the new version of Minetest and moved all of my worlds and mods over, but for some reason it gives me an error when I try to run it.
20:14 VanessaE Jordach: that was the original plan.
20:14 Jordach actually, moonflower + mese fragment = glowing dye
20:14 PilzAdam ExcaliburZero, make sure you changed the folder structure of the mods to the new system
20:15 ExcaliburZero PilzAdam: How do I do that?
20:15 PilzAdam VanessaE, should I start talking about simplicity of recipes again?
20:15 VanessaE PilzAdam: add the mortar and pestle I menntioned.
20:15 PilzAdam ExcaliburZero, http://dev.minetest.net/Installing_Mods
20:15 VanessaE use those to crush flowers, mese fragments, etc. into dyes/mese powder
20:15 PilzAdam VanessaE, I once talked about the crafting system on -dev
20:15 VanessaE craft mese powder + dye = glowing dye of that color.
20:15 PilzAdam it was with RBA about the moonflower IIRC
20:16 ExcaliburZero My current path for the mods is "minetest-0.4.7\mods"
20:16 Jordach btw, almost done with the moonflower
20:17 VanessaE PilzAdam: you're not listening at all.
20:17 VanessaE and I saw the discussion, you failed to listen then also.
20:18 * Calinou just got le 1st place on trackmania
20:18 VanessaE we NEED a new crafting path.  crafting a mortar and pestle object (from cobble and sticks), and then crafting that object with some other item to get a powder is the smartest way to do it
20:18 VanessaE and mortar&pestle has been used for thousands of years for that purpose.
20:19 VanessaE using that method to crush flowers into dye powder makes more sense than just sticking one into the crafting grid.
20:19 VanessaE (and the idea is you get the mortar&pestle back via replacements={{}} )
20:19 PilzAdam that will be MTs brewing
20:19 PilzAdam people hated that in MC for a reason
20:19 VanessaE eh?
20:19 Jordach THIS is the two crafts: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5742989/
20:19 VanessaE MC did that?
20:19 PilzAdam it destroys the simple system of  crafting
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20:20 Jordach one for the dye, one for the glowing mese
20:20 VanessaE the crafting system is TOO simple, that's the problem
20:20 PilzAdam VanessaE, MC added brewing of potions
20:20 VanessaE I'm not talking about brewing anything.
20:20 PilzAdam VanessaE, its not a problem, its what makes the game so good
20:20 VanessaE I'm talking about straight crafting.
20:21 PilzAdam there should be a different game that breaks this concept, i.e. adding new ways of producing things
20:21 VanessaE cobble+sticks -> mortar&pestle;  mortar&pestle + flower = dye + mortar&pestle
20:21 VanessaE there aren't enough default paths to create stuff - all we have is crafting and cooking.
20:21 VanessaE we need at least one more simple method
20:22 ExcaliburZero When I run the game it gives me this error:
20:22 ExcaliburZero "ModError: Unresolved name conflicts for mods "mesecons", "mesecons_alias", "mesecons_blinkyplant", "mesecons_button", "mesecons_commandblock","
20:22 VanessaE ExcaliburZero: you've got more than one copy of mesecons installed - which is a modpack by the way
20:22 Calinou PilzAdam: potions are useless in MC
20:23 Calinou you need to get 1) blaze rods which are HARD to get in multiplayer
20:23 PilzAdam ExcaliburZero, http://dev.minetest.net/Mod_name_conflicts
20:23 VanessaE PilzAdam: you need to stop naysaying stuff just because MC has, or doesn't have some things.
20:23 Calinou 2) for things other than weakness potions (useless in non-PvP), you need nether wart. if you find one you might as well play lottery in multiplayer
20:23 Calinou but the ingredients other than that aren't that hard to get
20:23 Calinou fun fact: speed I is useless unless you want to save hunger
20:24 Calinou fun fact II: speed II's improvement over sprintjumping is very small
20:24 Calinou fun fact 3: night vision potions? lol, better use texture packs that modify the lightmaps
20:24 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/0cHDCN7.png
20:24 Jordach PilzAdam, VanessaE ^
20:24 VanessaE PilzAdam: we're smart enough to add new things while avoiding Mojang's mistakes.
20:24 Calinou VanessaE: PilzAdam actually tries to copy MC sometimes, he's the guy who put non renewable lava in minetest :P
20:25 VanessaE Jordach: interesting..
20:25 PilzAdam VanessaE, yes, and not putting new crafting ways in is avoiding Mojangs mistakes
20:25 VanessaE um
20:25 VanessaE this isn't a new crafting method, it's just a new path.
20:26 VanessaE and avoiding their mistakes means avoiding doing utterly stupid shit.
20:26 VanessaE there's nothing stupid about my suggestion.
20:26 PilzAdam way != path?
20:26 VanessaE no.
20:26 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/dCjcv8O.png
20:26 VanessaE I'm talking about keeping everything in the crafting grid, not producing some new machine node.
20:26 Jordach ^ glowing mese
20:26 Jordach (missing texture atm)
20:27 StarBlessed Hi guys. :)  Looks like I walked into world war 7.5
20:27 Jordach hey StarBlessed
20:27 PilzAdam StarBlessed, yes, PilzAdam vs. rest of the world
20:27 VanessaE PilzAdam: craft this,  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/mortar_and_pestle.png
20:27 VanessaE from this:  - - S
20:27 VanessaE C S C
20:27 VanessaE - C -
20:27 StarBlessed Can I make a non partisan observation?
20:28 VanessaE eh, line break error.  C=cobble, S=stick
20:28 VanessaE place one of those into the crafting grid along with a flower or mese fragment.  Yields 4 dye or whatever + you get the mortar&pestle back.
20:28 VanessaE it could not possibly be any simpler.
20:30 * john_minetest is bored to death.
20:30 PilzAdam john_minetest, http://youtu.be/AQukOI5bs4k
20:30 VanessaE make it take a long time (say, 500 uses) for the mortar and pestle to wear out.
20:30 * Calinou is bored to life
20:31 StarBlessed From an outsiders perspective, Minetest has kinda lost its focus.  The project is trying to be many things to many people.  While I agree there are some things that should be included in the game by default, the joy of Minecraft was its ability to become "Your" game through setting up and installing mods in you own way.  Using Minetest as a framework is joyous and fulfilling.  I'm sad when I read posts where everyone is arguing over what Minetest sh
20:31 StarBlessed ould and shouldnt be...
20:32 john_minetest PilzAdam: Okay. Only half-dead now :D
20:36 StarBlessed If I were to prioritize what the focus of the Minetest project should be (This is only personal opinion of course), then the two most important would be the Modding API, and Multiplayer.  The content will take care of itself via the community.  "If you build it, they will come" kinda deal ;)
20:37 StarBlessed I talk some shiz at 7 in the morning.  Sorry.  Ill shut up now.
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20:37 Jordach test moonflower here: https://github.com/Jordach/minetest_game/commits/moonflower
20:37 Jordach i've already tested it and it works
20:38 Jordach feel free to add suggestions
20:39 Jordach (moonflowers are rather rare, so i used giveme)
20:42 Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/169
20:42 Jordach !title
20:42 MinetestBot Jordach: Add Moonflower, Glowing Mese / Dye by Jordach · Pull Request #169 · minetest/minetest_game · GitH[...]
20:43 Jordach yay 169
20:43 Jordach -1
20:43 StarBlessed +69
20:43 Jordach i did what RBA wanted to do in less than an hour
20:43 Jordach without the bullshit
20:45 StarBlessed I think I just annoyed everyone :(
20:45 StarBlessed They all stopped talking lol
20:45 PilzAdam StarBlessed, nope
20:45 VanessaE not at all, StarBlessed
20:45 Exio hi
20:46 * Jordach gives Nick a kitten
20:46 StarBlessed I hope not.  I dislike the tension I have witnessed within the project.
20:46 Jordach mhm, RBA made tonnes of tension with the moonflower
20:46 StarBlessed I just like peepz to be happy and enjoy the game ya know?
20:46 Jordach i just went ahead and DID IT.
20:46 * StarBlessed sits in the corner, stroking his....  kitty.
20:47 frogcrush1 Face it, when you have women working on a project, there is going to be tension
20:47 Jordach okay, thats worth a kick
20:47 frogcrush1 ;)
20:47 Jordach or a muting
20:47 frogcrush1 I'm kidding
20:47 frogcrush1 People
20:47 Exio Jordach: +ban
20:47 frogcrush1 Ouch
20:47 StarBlessed See, now if I were Op'd in the room, you wouldn't be able to get out a second line frogcrush1
20:48 kahrl StarBlessed: tension is good, it is what makes your clocks run
20:48 PilzAdam !op StarBlessed
20:48 Jordach \o/
20:48 sokomine op seems to be handled here very well. it is only used when needed. strange ideas about the contributions of women don't make op necessary :-)
20:48 Jordach PilzAdam, have you reviewed my changes
20:48 PilzAdam not yet
20:48 Jordach okay.
20:49 * StarBlessed readies his Ban Hammer...  ;)
20:49 StarBlessed kahrl: Tension CAN be good, but Motivation is much better.
20:50 frogcrush1 Your motivation is the fact that if you do bad work, someone is going to get mad at you
20:50 Calinou who is StarBlessed, and how did he get op?
20:50 Jordach starblessed is the one who makes the really good minetest lps
20:50 StarBlessed I think PilzAdam is just playing ;)
20:50 Calinou minetest lollipops!
20:50 * Calinou buys one for 50 candies
20:51 Jordach i really should add more useful content into minetest_game
20:52 frogcrush1 Add coffee
20:52 StarBlessed Thats ok Jordach, I really should learn how to mod ;)
20:52 Calinou oh, StarBlessed is that guy using linux mint and a cat
20:52 Calinou :3
20:52 Jordach lets just add simple mobs into minetest_game
20:52 john_minetest PilzAdam: My favourite from scrubs is "My musical"
20:52 StarBlessed *meow*
20:52 Jordach solve the longstanding "no mobs" issue
20:52 Calinou whose bedroom is more tidy than mine, and at least doesn't have mobo/PSU packages :3
20:53 john_minetest PilzAdam: Season 6 episode 6.
20:53 StarBlessed Calinou: No, its not really, I just aim the camera high ;)
20:53 sokomine straw would be nice. it's a good material for roofs. or has it been added already? if farming is added, straw might be obtainable
20:54 Calinou +1 for straw/hay bales
20:54 PilzAdam people, seriously, we have this thing called "mods"
20:54 Jordach actually, thats what long weeds should grow into
20:54 sokomine oh yes. if someone comes up with a texture for hay bales that would be great as well!
20:54 StarBlessed Oh, I had an idea for a mod if anyone is interested...  It would be an addon for something like more ores...  It already uses existing nodes.  Tempered Metals!
20:54 Calinou there is no weed in the default farming
20:54 sokomine there's the grass
20:55 sokomine tempered metals? what would they do?
20:55 frogcrush1 They would get mad a lot
20:55 * frogcrush1 is very bored
20:55 sokomine ah, like those strange evil blocks?
20:56 StarBlessed Harder Wearing metals.  You can get steel already, but tempering it would increase its longevity.
20:56 Calinou "Using Minetest as a framework is joyous and fulfilling."
20:56 Jordach by firing steel again
20:56 StarBlessed Tempered Iron etc.
20:56 sokomine ah! sounds like a good idea
20:56 Calinou problem is that the general user doesn't want to mess around with their game to enjoy it
20:56 PilzAdam StarBlessed, you should try out MiniTest :-)
20:56 frogcrush1 The general user just wants to play the game
20:56 Calinou it is not a problem to most of us here because we are... well, tinkerers, geeks, nerds, whatever
20:56 Jordach steel lump -> steel ingot -> tempered steel ingot
20:56 StarBlessed Mini test?
20:57 StarBlessed Kinda, yeah Jordach
20:57 Calinou MiniTest tries to be as close as minecraft as possible :P
20:57 PilzAdam StarBlessed, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2589
20:57 Calinou PilzAdam: btw, did you change the default player move speed?
20:57 StarBlessed I was thinking tempering it in oil or water...
20:57 PilzAdam Calinou, yes
20:57 StarBlessed Minecraft?
20:57 Calinou Minceraft!
20:57 StarBlessed Hmmmm
20:57 Jordach i know why the game is lacking in actual things todo
20:57 Calinou https://github.com/PilzAdam/MiniTest/blob/master/minetest.conf
20:58 Calinou good, but is the minetest.conf actually read?
20:58 PilzAdam yes
20:58 Calinou also, maybe make a few tweaks
20:58 Jordach PilzAdam, if you want to make your own game: thats fine
20:58 StarBlessed I kinda like the Minetest Server side...  I like that there dont have to be any client side mods...
20:58 Jordach but other people must have their say
20:59 Jordach for minetest_game
20:59 Jordach its unintuitive to have an empty game and expect magical content in your face the instant you start the game
20:59 Jordach people are expecting a game, not a sandbox
20:59 Calinou PilzAdam: try setting gravity to a slightly higher value
21:00 PilzAdam Calinou, problem is that MCs gravity is different from MTs
21:00 Calinou also in minecraft, accelerating/decelerating is much slower
21:00 Calinou in air it is very very slow
21:01 StarBlessed BRB...  SMOKO!
21:01 * Calinou downloads minitest to try
21:01 * Calinou uses git
21:01 Calinou chromium is too mainstream
21:03 PilzAdam Calinou, https://github.com/PilzAdam/MiniTest/commit/45b899b222655b512b7c759a495610a339ad9baa
21:03 Calinou I'll try
21:03 Calinou also maybe reduce walk speed to 4.2 instead of 4.3
21:03 Calinou 4.3 feels a bit fast compared to MC
21:04 PilzAdam oh, the last commit breaks liquid sinking
21:04 Calinou yea
21:04 Calinou acceleration feels nice now on ground
21:04 Calinou make it even lower in air
21:04 PilzAdam movement_liquid_sink = 24
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21:06 Calinou a thought about textures: the grass could be darkened and made slightly less greener, and leaves should also be less green
21:06 Jordach btw, you may want to see #170
21:06 PilzAdam Zeg9 made the textures
21:06 Calinou I know
21:08 Calinou https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82342922/temp/2.jpg
21:08 Calinou ideally it should look similar to this
21:08 Calinou why not use the same colors?
21:08 Calinou ;)
21:10 StarBlessed Ok, back again :)
21:10 Calinou wb
21:10 StarBlessed Thanks :D
21:11 Jordach PilzAdam, to an outsider: more content is good content
21:11 Jordach thats why dwarves worked
21:11 StarBlessed Ive been trying to get time to do the next video, but damn...  my whole family (including myself) have the flu
21:11 Jordach dun dun durr
21:11 Jordach minetest_game is a game
21:12 Jordach things like mesecons are REAL mods
21:12 StarBlessed 4 month old son; 5 year old son and wife...  all coughing and spluttering...  not a good site.
21:12 StarBlessed fight
21:12 Calinou 5 year old wife?
21:12 Calinou :phoronix rolleyes:
21:12 StarBlessed sight*
21:12 Jordach because they make a new and interesting experience
21:14 Jordach moreblocks should be in default imho
21:14 StarBlessed Just out of curiosity, what are the two biggest targets for the Minetest project as it stands right now?
21:14 Jordach because its not really an experience
21:14 Calinou buuut
21:14 Calinou crafting checkers, glowglass, panels and microblocks is an experience!
21:14 Calinou >:o
21:14 Jordach yes
21:14 Calinou and the infamous moreblocks:nothing!
21:14 Jordach but crafting a saw is the hard part?
21:15 Jordach and i can see why RBA doesnt like PilzAdam controlling minetest_game
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21:33 StarBlessed or not.  lol
21:36 harrison if you are really asking "what is the new film going to be titled?" i can answer that
21:37 harrison Gate. Fountain. Houri. Pearled Mouse.
21:37 PilzAdam harrison, no colors in this channel ;-)
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21:39 harrison understood
21:41 StarBlessed Just curious, and I know this has probably been answered before (in fact Im sure it has), but why does it take so long for the content to be sent down from the server when connecting to Multiplayer?  Is it a CRC check or something?
21:42 Calinou StarBlessed: the server sends the data directly to the player
21:42 Calinou it is very slow (20KB/s at best, usually about 5KB/sec)
21:42 Calinou however the server can set up a "remote media" server using HTTP (tip: dropbox can be used for that purpose)
21:42 Calinou which makes the downloads much faster
21:42 Calinou kinda like quake 3 does :P
21:42 StarBlessed Yeah...  Is there a quick tutorial on how to do that?
21:43 StarBlessed I would really like to decrease the login time for my server is all
21:43 StarBlessed At the moment it takes almost 5 minutes ;)
21:44 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5972
21:44 StarBlessed I mean, I have a dedicated server that is on a 1GB connection.  It shouldnt take so long to login.  LOL
21:44 Calinou dedicated? you have the whole machine?
21:44 Calinou dat rich guy
21:45 StarBlessed Youre a legend Calinou.  Thanks.
21:45 Calinou :3
21:45 sokomine 5 minutes? that's almost nothing. vanessas server ended up with 30 minutes first
21:45 Calinou 5 minutes is very long
21:45 * Calinou is getting slightly less patient since they've switched to a SSD
21:45 StarBlessed I have a Quad Opteron dual core with 32Gb RAM on a 1GB connection
21:45 sokomine :-)
21:45 Calinou StarBlessed: the whole machine? or is it just a VPS?
21:46 Calinou that thing alone costs 3000€+ easily, no?
21:46 StarBlessed The WHOLE machine is mine.
21:46 Calinou O_o nice
21:46 Calinou I wonder how well do 4 dual core opterons vs a 2600K :p
21:46 StarBlessed I was trying to host a game, but it just took so long to login, I thought I was doing something wrong ;)
21:47 StarBlessed For pure number crunching?  Or gaming?
21:48 Calinou in multithread
21:49 StarBlessed I used to run a Dual Opteron gaming rig.  This was before the i3/i5/i7 era.  I swear, while everyone else was on P4-HT, I was pounding up to 7x the frame rate.  A lot of games back then were CPU dependent.
21:49 Calinou and now AMD sucks at gaming, if you want to maximize the FPS :P
21:50 harrison 8 cores looking at the same memory?
21:51 harrison i have an i7 with 4 physical, 8 with hyperthreading
21:51 StarBlessed Ahem...  Im still running a 6870, thats 3 years old...  I can still run most games Hi-def, maxed out settings.  Thats enough for me these days.
21:51 Kacey my AMD vision e1 is great for minetest
21:51 harrison but i doubt that the ht helps my code at all
21:51 Calinou harrison: same, a 2600K is quad core with HT
21:51 Calinou Kacey: lol, that's shit
21:51 Calinou E1 is the shittiest thing by AMD :3
21:51 StarBlessed ht in practice gave about a 15-20% boost, though they claimed up to 80%
21:51 Calinou StarBlessed: I have a 570, equivalent to a 6970
21:52 harrison so i'd like to benchmark one of the new amd cpus with 8 physical cores
21:52 Calinou it still runs stuntrally on "very high" (effects off) and 4× AA well (60 FPS)
21:52 Kacey Calinou, it still works fine
21:52 harrison using my raytracer
21:52 Calinou StarBlessed: intel marketing is as trustable as Jordach
21:52 Calinou :p
21:52 Calinou Kacey: TIL 20 FPS is fine
21:52 Kacey i get 60 FPS
21:52 Calinou with a blank map?
21:53 Calinou now put the view distance to 64 or higher and let's see
21:53 Calinou with shaders of course
21:53 Kacey even on VanessaE's server
21:53 StarBlessed Calinou: A 570 is no comparison.  The pipes are just too few.  While the benchmarks are similar, the GPU in the ATi is superior.  A prime example would be to go bitcoin mining.  My 6870, can output almost 4 times that of a 670.
21:53 VanessaE I can barely sustain 30-40 fps (less near the spawn) on my server, and that's with default textures and a view range of 60.
21:53 VanessaE why is it that everyone gets such good speeds compared to me?
21:53 Calinou StarBlessed: kepler sucks at computing, this is a fact
21:54 Calinou fermi rocks at computing actually
21:54 StarBlessed that doesnt make it better.
21:54 Calinou I said 570 and not 670
21:54 StarBlessed just superior technology.
21:54 Calinou and AMD openCL = buggy :p
21:54 StarBlessed Yes, I know, I said 670 ;)
21:54 Calinou but on kepler, AMD's GPUs are definitely "better"
21:54 Calinou the 670 is a middle end card technically
21:54 Kacey heh 64x tp on VanessaE's server with full viewing range enabled still gets 60
21:55 Calinou at least the 770 fixed this by actually being an high end card, more or less, but it also more expensive
21:55 StarBlessed Well, a 570 tops out at about 140 Mega Hashes.
21:55 Calinou StarBlessed: when I compare cards, I compare game benchmarks
21:55 Calinou that's what most people including me use graphic cards for
21:55 StarBlessed Yeah.  Its all about purpose :)
21:56 StarBlessed My 6870 tops out at about 375 MH
21:56 Calinou nvidia neuteurs their geforce cards for double precision, fact too
21:56 Calinou except the titan
21:56 * Calinou invented a new word
21:57 StarBlessed lol @ Calinou
21:57 StarBlessed Hey VanessaE : Where are you hosting out of?
21:58 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4057
21:58 Calinou StarBlessed: is that what you asked? :P
21:58 VanessaE my home computer :)
21:59 VanessaE North Carolina, US
21:59 VanessaE updated gloopblocks:  now all cobble, alternative cobble, and stone brick blocks/stairs/slabs/etc. eventually become mossy in the presence of water.
21:59 StarBlessed Thanks Calinou, not quite.  But she just answered it ;)  Thanks.
22:00 Calinou it's mentioned at the top, StarBlessed
22:00 Calinou so why "not quite" :P
22:00 Calinou oh, happy saturday everyone
22:00 VanessaE he probably wanted to know my geographical location, which isn't mentioned.
22:00 * Calinou stops trolling on random hardware sites
22:00 Calinou it's no longer friday :(
22:01 Calinou "From: Waynesville, NC"
22:01 StarBlessed She is indeed, but she doesnt say that the server is hosted out of her home :P
22:01 VanessaE well I guess one can make the connection :-)
22:02 StarBlessed Cheeky Calinou
22:02 VanessaE cheeky devil, right enough.
22:02 StarBlessed I have a free IP address and some spare server space...  Anyone wanna setup a game server?  ;)
22:03 * Calinou google translates "cheeky"
22:03 VanessaE smartass :)
22:03 Calinou :p
22:03 BrandonReese Does anybody know why I get this error on my server?
22:03 BrandonReese # Server: WARNING: Map saving is disabled.
22:03 StarBlessed Maybe the map saving is disabled.  *grin*
22:03 StarBlessed Sorry.
22:03 StarBlessed Ill shut up.
22:03 BrandonReese Well... yes but why?
22:04 StarBlessed I was being a smart ass.
22:04 BrandonReese I probably would have done the same thing StarBlessed
22:04 StarBlessed :D
22:05 StarBlessed http://lmgtfy.com/?q=minetest+WARNING%3A+Map+saving+is+disabled
22:05 Calinou BrandonReese: make sure you have write access to the directory where the world is saved
22:05 Calinou have to go now, night
22:05 StarBlessed See ya Calinou
22:06 BrandonReese I have write access, I haven't changed anything there
22:07 StarBlessed 777?
22:07 StarBlessed chmod -R 777 /game/dir/
22:07 StarBlessed or even 755
22:08 BrandonReese It was 755, I 777'd it and still no go
22:08 StarBlessed hmmm...  what about ownership
22:08 VanessaE 755 would have been enough
22:09 StarBlessed agreed.
22:09 VanessaE (that's rwx/r-x/r-x)
22:09 Kacey A brunette and a blond were walking and the brunette says look a dead bird the blond looks up and says where
22:09 BrandonReese I started the server as root and still get the error so it's not a permission problem
22:10 StarBlessed Does the path exist?
22:11 BrandonReese yes
22:11 StarBlessed BRB, Gettin coffee.
22:11 BrandonReese FIXED: map_meta.txt was empty, but it didn't give me an error about map_meta.txt
22:16 sfan5 good night
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22:29 PilzAdam y u stop working ProxTube
22:33 StarBlessed I cant find a default copy of the server conf.  Can someone please point it out to me?  Or is it in the github
22:33 StarBlessed Got it.
22:33 PilzAdam you mean this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example
22:33 StarBlessed LOL!  Sorry ;)
22:33 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/defaultsettings.cpp
22:34 PilzAdam this is more accurate but less comments
22:34 amboss got a dedicated server i have no intention of actually using
22:34 amboss might set up a MT server
22:34 amboss hosted in belgium
22:46 StarBlessed LOL!  Might pay to upgrade my client...  ;)
23:00 NakedFury http://www.angry-pixel.net/images/slides/slide5.png
23:00 NakedFury a bench with 3d materials in it
23:00 NakedFury not in minetest
23:00 NakedFury http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1550010-152sspsmp-project-bench-v175forge5000-downloads/
23:00 NakedFury and that as a mod for minecraft
23:00 NakedFury that looks awesome
23:05 OldCoder NOTICE: Shutting down my worlds for backup
23:07 StarBlessed Ok, so using the remote_media directive in the conf file, if the http://www.blah is not available, does it fall back to udp?
23:07 PilzAdam yes
23:07 PilzAdam it uses UDP for everything that is not found on the remote server
23:09 StarBlessed Gotcha. So my builtin/  client/   fonts/    games/    textures/ folders are all in /usr/share/minetest directory. If I soft link the /usr/share/minetest folder into my web server, would that be ehough?
23:09 StarBlessed enough
23:09 PilzAdam no
23:09 StarBlessed Ok, what do I need to link exactly?
23:09 PilzAdam the media should be directly where you point remote_media to
23:10 StarBlessed Hmmm...  So it wont allow for downloading mods and content?
23:10 StarBlessed Like recursively
23:10 PilzAdam only the media goes there, not the mods code
23:11 StarBlessed Ok.  Gotcha.
23:11 StarBlessed Ill get this damn it.  LOL
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23:48 StarBlessed Ok, so another question...  I have about a 200ms ping, when breaking a block in game, it can take up to 5 seconds for that block to show in my inventory.  Is that normal?
23:57 NakedFury no
23:57 NakedFury are you playing online?
23:59 StarBlessed Yeah, on my server.  Im testing out the remote_media directive.

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