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00:00 cy1 darkrose convinced celeron55 to include that in the C++ afaik.
00:00 cy1 might have been that menche guy though I forget
00:00 cy1 so it's in the actual source.
00:00 Uberi wow, neat
00:00 cy1 you have to say disable_anticheat = true in your config or your server griefs ppl
00:01 cy1 that and backporting
00:01 cy1 no option to disable that, but it's easy to comment out the actual teleport.
00:01 NekoGloop backporting is part of the disable_anticheat
00:02 cy1 oh? Didn't think it was...
00:03 cy1 oh, yeah it is. hm...
00:03 jordan4ibanez Here, i hope this makes it into the credits or whatever https://soundcloud.com/jordan-craige/minetest-welcome
00:03 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Minetest - Welcome by Jordan Craige on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
00:04 cy1 yeah my bad, they both get disabled with anticheat then.
00:04 cy1 disable_anticheat I mean.
00:04 cy1 it's still a good idea to hax the source though to enable speedhax checks, so you can record them without actually teleporting the player.
00:08 iqualfragile night
00:12 cy1 jordan4ibanez: it's OK but the piano's a bit heavy. perhaps something more uh... sinusoidal?
00:12 jordan4ibanez and then i hope this makes it in as some type of cd or jukebox
00:12 jordan4ibanez https://soundcloud.com/jordan-craige/minetest-night
00:12 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Minetest - Night by Jordan Craige on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
00:15 Uberi oh yeah I made a mirror of api.minetest.net: https://github.com/Uberi/MineTest-API/wiki
00:15 moltenbot Uberi's link: Home ? Uberi/MineTest-API Wiki ? GitHub
00:15 cy1 actually, that second song might make a better intro, and the former a night theme? like, laying down for bed maybe?
00:16 Uberi this, unlike the api.minetest.net, is editable by anyone with an account
00:18 cy1 hm...
00:18 cy1 neat
00:20 jordan4ibanez cy1, yea, i need to find a better sample
00:21 jordan4ibanez firefox 17.1 runs like a pile of shit lol
00:21 Uberi|Away are we on v17 already?
00:22 Uberi|Away seems like just yesterday they were pushing out v4
00:22 jordan4ibanez Yep, very bloated already, WHY FIREFOX WHY
00:23 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, it's called chromium
00:23 jordan4ibanez No, there's no chromium for windows lol
00:24 jordan4ibanez or sdkiron is as close as it comes to that
00:25 cy1 >using windows
00:25 cy1 >2010
00:25 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, oh, I thought you upgraded to linux
00:26 jordan4ibanez I dualboot and run linux in a virtual machine, what is it with you people and hating windows?
00:26 jordan4ibanez t
00:26 jordan4ibanez Well i guess opening tabs in quassel doesn't work anymore lol
00:27 jordan4ibanez This is 2012, if you still get angry at someone for what operating system they're using, well go outdoors lol
00:28 Uberi|Away some people just want to hate on something
00:28 Uberi|Away I say let them
00:28 Uberi|Away better Windows than racial minorities
00:29 mauvebic i dont hate windows
00:29 mauvebic i think all the major operating sysems are "out to get me" lol
00:30 mauvebic everytime you find something that work someone has to go and change it, its universal to all OSses lol
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01:19 jordan4ibanez http://youtu.be/Dzz6lUsF19g
01:19 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Simon's Cat in 'Icecapade' - YouTube
01:28 NakedFury http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5135604/Technic%20Recipe%20Book.pdf
01:28 NakedFury for technic users
01:28 Uberi awesome!
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01:30 NakedFury im gonna keep it update as more technic stuff comes up
01:31 kizeren hi
01:31 OldCoder GBBack
01:31 OldCoder Back
01:32 Uberi hey OldCoder
01:32 OldCoder Uberi, Hi
01:35 kizeren Is there a trash feature or some way to get rid of extra blocks?
01:35 Uberi kizeren: yes, in MT0.4.4
01:35 Uberi see the trash field in your inventory
01:35 Uberi there is also the /pulverize chat command
01:36 kizeren Well darn.    The server I play on is 0.4.3
01:37 Uberi ah yes the server decides the inventory formspec, unfortunately
01:37 Uberi but /pulverize has been around since forever
01:38 marktraceur Uberi: 0.4.4 doesn't add that, my server doesn't have it
01:38 marktraceur kizeren: There's a trash field in some mod, probably unified inventory or something. VanessaE's server had it, but I'm not sure which mod it was.
01:38 kizeren I am on Calouins server.  Not sure if I spelt his name right or not though.
01:39 kizeren But I just tried pulverize and it worked but it seems the item must be in hand first which could be kind of dangerous if your in a hurry.
01:41 Uberi pretty sure pilzadam opened a pull request a while ago
01:42 Uberi I remember seeing it merged
01:42 Uberi yeah be careful with that kizeren
01:42 NakedFury using pulverize is for everyone. make sure you are using-as in item is in hand-the item you want to delete
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01:48 Uberi oh hey is anyone else having issues with forum email notifications?
01:48 Muadtralk hopefully not I was sending notifications to people a few hours ago
01:49 Uberi also can someone send me a test email (http://minetest.net/forum/misc.php?email=640)? I seem to be having trouble receiving the emails
01:49 moltenbot Uberi's link: Forum message - Minetest Forums
01:52 jordan4ibanez i got the npc to face forward walking :)
01:56 jordan4ibanez Now i just have to figure out how to get this to randomize
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02:04 NekoGloop Yup, now my ipad is banned from #minecraft
02:06 Uberi|AoS why?
02:06 marktraceur NekoGloop: That's ironic!
02:06 NekoGloop Accidental ban evasion.
02:06 Uberi|AoS darn
02:06 NekoGloop My inner geek died a little on the inside.
02:07 NekoGloop Not like i'm missing anything.
02:07 MiJyn well you missed the amazing rumours about how horrible minetest is lol
02:07 MiJyn jk
02:08 kizeren Sticky pistons turn when stuck to each other.......are they suppose to do this ?
02:08 Uberi|AoS kizeren: oh I must have broken that a while ago
02:09 Uberi|AoS or maybe jeija did with the node def update
02:09 kizeren Does that make sense what I said?
02:10 Uberi|AoS yeah
02:11 OldCoder
02:11 OldCoder If I set up a new Europe VPS...
02:11 OldCoder what country would be best for Europe MT people?
02:11 OldCoder Old VPS would stay BTW
02:15 kizeren I was trying to make an invisible door......dang pistons kept turning....locking me out.
02:18 Uberi|AoS what version do you have, kizeren
02:18 kizeren I was using calouns server then I realized can't do delays through recipet yet.  So going to try on personal server which I just updated two days ago.
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02:28 kizeren Just tried works fine on my personal server.
02:36 NakedFury the next Stuff Book Project will be mesecons
02:37 telek OldCoder: I can't remember which country, but one of them has GigE to the home, guy I know had it and was doing commercial hosting out of his house. Might be worth further research.
02:42 OldCoder telek, ty
02:42 OldCoder telek, Looks like I will be setting up in Germany
02:42 OldCoder IIRC My existing Europe server is France
02:42 OldCoder So; I will be in France and Germany
02:43 telek Cool, G/L! :) *afks for evening*
02:49 * OldCoder nods
02:49 jordan4ibanez now the npc looks at you when you're in radius :D
02:49 NakedFury jordan what is your plan with the npcs?
02:50 jordan4ibanez Make houses for them to live in like villagers in minecraft, you know, actual villagers
02:50 NakedFury in the end something like Millenaire in MInecraft?
02:51 NakedFury farm, mine, trade, defend, expand? something like that
02:51 jordan4ibanez Yep
02:54 jordan4ibanez Maybe
02:54 jordan4ibanez I don't know
02:54 NakedFury but first is a framework of npc
02:55 jordan4ibanez I like the style of mobs in minecraft, not all of them, not the new ones, but old ones that were stupid
02:56 NekoGloop What, skeletons who didnt have perfect fucking accuracy?
02:56 NekoGloop I mean, they dont have eyes. How do they never miss when coming around a corner?
02:58 jordan4ibanez I mean, i hope to write the mob AI for this game lol
02:58 NakedFury I would prefer mobs that had diferent type of AI, line of sight or hearing or smelling, no 100% hitting aim, certain level of stupidity and tactics-for some.
02:59 NekoGloop For a being such as the endermen, yeah, i guess they could be allowed to see through walls and stuff.
02:59 NekoGloop But skeletons?
03:00 NakedFury well lets create the Rules of Mobs here. Skeletons and zombies are dead. skeletons dont have skin or muscles or eyes or ears or noses so how would we go to make them work?
03:01 NekoGloop They are animated by magic
03:01 NakedFury ok so what works in them with that magic?
03:01 NakedFury how would they see? sort of infrared vision?
03:02 NakedFury body heat?
03:02 NekoGloop Basically they are given artificial sight and muscle.
03:02 jordan4ibanez Lol
03:02 NekoGloop It's a game
03:02 NekoGloop Do i need to explain the mechanics of life in it?
03:03 jordan4ibanez Right now they are very stupid, it, the randomised math for setting acceleration makes them super random, sometimes the npcs run in place
03:03 NakedFury if this stuff isnt thought off then we will get crap monsters into the game
03:03 Uberi|Away well maybe the skeletons and zombies are all dead versions of the player who keeps dying
03:03 jordan4ibanez I'll make a video of an npc party in a little :D
03:03 Uberi wooo
03:05 NakedFury thats what happened to endermen, they werent designed very well so when they were implemented ungrateful players raged
03:05 mauvebic NPCs +1 :-)
03:06 mauvebic terminator-style HK's :-)
03:07 NakedFury jordan npcs could have a set of stats like in Sims that dictate what they will do. Hunger, Mood, Sleep, Tireness level, work, and maybe entertainment(too much work and they wont go until this bar is full or from 75 to 100%)
03:08 NakedFury too complex I guess for now
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03:18 jordan4ibanez celeron55, can you have it so the /clearobjects command looks for the boolean "mob" in an entity, and if it's true do not delete entity?
03:19 Uberi well clearobjects is supposed to clear all objects, not all objects except mobs
03:19 NekoGloop Like /killall in spc
03:19 jordan4ibanez well a mob isn't an object, you could add a command /killall which searches for entities with "mob" bool in them then delete those
03:20 jordan4ibanez like neko just said
03:20 Uberi wait, are mobs not objects now?
03:20 jordan4ibanez they are
03:20 jordan4ibanez entities
03:21 Uberi so should clearobjects not extend to include them?
03:21 Uberi I mean, we might need to rename it to /clearobjectsexceptfortheoneswithveryspecificcharacteristics
03:22 NekoGloop One for actual objects, one for mobs.
03:22 NekoGloop Pfft
03:22 NekoGloop Stupid colloquy, only sending half a message
03:23 jordan4ibanez all i wanted was for /clearobjects to clear objects and /killmobs to kill mobs lol
03:23 NekoGloop /clearobjects and /killall.
03:23 NakedFury add /clearinventory
03:23 jordan4ibanez oh yea, and i can make giants, like notch never put in
03:23 NakedFury a mega version of pulverize
03:24 NekoGloop Yes, that would be nice, nf.
03:24 Uberi well I think /clearobjects should stick to clearing objects, and we add a new command: /clearenvironment
03:24 NekoGloop jordan4ibanez: Technically they're in there.
03:24 Uberi jordan4ibanez: giants would be great!
03:24 NekoGloop Just not spawnable
03:24 jordan4ibanez i can make them spawn
03:24 NekoGloop 1337 map hackers have put them in maps
03:25 Uberi they add a new element of challenge to the game
03:26 NakedFury if you make giants make them be like 10 or 8 blocks high. TITANS should be the 30 something high like in minecraft
03:27 Uberi aw yeah
03:27 NekoGloop Then god who is 100 blocks tall
03:27 Uberi and they should be designed for maybe 2 or 3 people to take down
03:27 NekoGloop And shoots lightning at you, which is instant death
03:28 Uberi and blows up all blocks in a 1000 block radius
03:28 Uberi and deletes your map if you die
03:29 NekoGloop Lolno
03:29 Uberi and then uninstalls MineTest
03:29 NakedFury giants can tople trees and smash cobble and man made stuff. titans make the ground tremble and the screen shake and can create craters when they stomp or or hit the ground. we got to go with realistic here to make it fun
03:29 Uberi call it super-hardcore mode
03:29 NekoGloop All blocks in a 1337 block radius, Uberi.
03:29 Uberi perfect!
03:30 jordan4ibanez i have a shit ton of them spawned and it's not even lagging
03:30 NekoGloop Show usssss!
03:30 jordan4ibanez when the mobs are standing around, and you're in their radius, they'll stare at you
03:30 Uberi that means they're not powerful enough
03:31 jordan4ibanez and then they'll randomly walk around
03:31 Uberi it's not powerful enough until there's unplayable lag
03:31 Uberi make a video/screenshot!
03:40 jordan4ibanez Video is uploading
03:41 Uberi can't wait
03:41 jordan4ibanez They can't jump yet, but i'm going to code that right now
03:42 NekoGloop This feels like those lines in front of major game stores when a popular game is being released.
03:42 NekoGloop Something that's funny to watch, not to be in.
03:42 jordan4ibanez This feels like what i missed in minecraft infdev, only i'm the one coding it lol
03:44 jordan4ibanez Next thing i'm going to do: jumping, and random skins
03:45 NekoGloop Next: connected textures.
03:45 NekoGloop pl0x nao
03:47 jordan4ibanez http://youtu.be/q6ameMq1DBk
03:47 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Full Minecraft Soundtrack Updated W/ Weather! - YouTube
03:47 NekoGloop Wat
03:47 NekoGloop :<
03:47 jordan4ibanez Good songs lol
03:47 NekoGloop Disappoint leveled up
03:47 NekoGloop ^ meme now
03:49 jordan4ibanez well then fine, this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZHSR5VG0uU
03:49 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Soft Music to Relax "Morning Light" Relaxing, Rewind, and Recharge with Soft, Calming Piano Music - YouTube
03:49 jordan4ibanez reminds me of shining time station theme from when i was a wee lad lol
03:49 NekoGloop ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfEFQRgmakk
03:50 NekoGloop Lol the bot is ignoring my links now. *mission accomplished*
03:50 jordan4ibanez ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZHSR5VG0uU
03:50 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Soft Music to Relax "Morning Light" Relaxing, Rewind, and Recharge with Soft, Calming Piano Music - YouTube
03:51 NekoGloop XD
03:51 NekoGloop !up minetest.org
03:51 NekoGloop heh.
03:51 OldCoder ?
03:52 OldCoder Up or not?
03:52 NekoGloop The bot is ignoring me
03:52 NekoGloop Which is advantageous for me.
03:52 OldCoder Why?
03:52 NekoGloop Idk why its ignoring me, but it did the same to kika.
03:52 jordan4ibanez http://youtu.be/Mvmb_rOTEI0
03:52 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Minetest Mobs - Starting To Get There - YouTube
03:53 NekoGloop Maybe if the first letter is capitalized it ignores the person?
03:53 nekogloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfEFQRgmakk
03:53 nekogloop Nope.
03:54 jordan4ibanez That's the mob video you guys all wanted to see
03:54 NekoGloop Lol
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04:12 jordan4ibanez Now mobs can jump :)
04:14 NekoGloop Byebye
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04:39 jordan4ibanez now mobs can actually navigate the terrain for real :D
04:42 jordan4ibanez In case anyone else would like to try http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=THCZ1AHx
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04:43 parabyte okay is there any more info i can read about minetest?
04:43 parabyte looks very interesting
04:43 parabyte i presume there is no compatibility with mojang's certain product?
04:44 NakedFury if you mean convertion tools no. with a mod we can use player skins for the current models and with work minecrafts textures can work with minetest
04:44 AquaCake Hello
04:45 OldCoder Hi
04:49 jordan4ibanez Hey parabyte!
04:51 parabyte interesting
04:51 parabyte jordan4ibanez, hiya :)
04:51 parabyte Any change with a minecraft map ?
04:52 parabyte chance
04:52 parabyte sorry its late here
04:52 parabyte or early lol
04:52 jordan4ibanez I think i can release these mobs now
04:54 parabyte is the minetest servers busy?
04:54 AquaCake depends which one?
04:56 jordan4ibanez with this mob api i can make minecraft creepers lol
04:57 NakedFury parabyte the game would need a minecraft to minetest conversion tool to work and also provided you had appropiate textures and items created for the default or all stuff that minecraft map had
04:59 parabyte i run a small minecraft website and just cant get my head around why they written the server Daemon in java
04:59 parabyte i just cannot get my head around it
04:59 parabyte its eating my server's resources good
05:01 parabyte so taking it down in next week or so
05:08 jordan4ibanez celeron55 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4023 :D
05:08 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: [1.0] 3D Animated NPC (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
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05:20 AquaCake Thats pretty damn good
05:35 jordan4ibanez A couple of things i thought of
05:35 jordan4ibanez since entities can use animations, we can make chests that open up
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05:38 jordan4ibanez and thank you
05:38 NakedFury I am coding minecraft chests to minetest because editing the chest textures is a pain
05:38 NakedFury at least coding for me
05:39 NakedFury same for cactus
05:52 jordan4ibanez goood night
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06:48 sema4 wb
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08:01 sema4 hi neko
08:19 thexyz i probably should tell Uberi about http://wapi.minetest.ru/Main_Page
08:19 moltenbot thexyz's link: Minetest API
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08:51 AquaCake Hello
08:54 cy1 meh
09:00 OldCoder Hey
09:04 AquaCake hELLO
09:04 AquaCake how do i get kubuntu onto my usb and run it?
09:05 AquaCake when i downloaded it it just gave me express burn
09:05 AquaCake @OldCoder
09:06 thexyz AquaCake: have you downloaded kubuntu ISO?
09:07 Aqua_ I downloaded the regular one on the site
09:07 Aqua_ http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download-lts
09:07 moltenbot Aqua_'s link: Download Kubuntu | Kubuntu
09:07 thexyz nah, it's not regular one
09:08 thexyz but fine, if you need LTS version
09:09 Aqua_ I dont get how you 'Configure your computer to boot from USB flash drive and boot from it '
09:09 thexyz have you created bootable usb stick?
09:10 Aqua_ i dont know how....
09:10 Aqua_ i got an empty usb stick
09:10 thexyz ok, what's your present OS?
09:11 Aqua_ windows xp
09:11 Aqua_ 3.8gb
09:11 thexyz k, then download https://launchpad.net/unetbootin/trunk/575/+download/unetbootin-windows-575.exe
09:12 Aqua_ And then?
09:12 thexyz run it
09:12 thexyz click "Diskimage"
09:12 thexyz select .iso you downloaded from kubuntu.org
09:12 thexyz then select your USB drive (be careful, it'll erase all data)
09:13 thexyz then press "OK"
09:13 Aqua_ VanessaE says u can also choose whether to use kubuntu or windows on boot how do i do this?
09:14 Aqua_ I dont wanna lose any files
09:14 thexyz that option will become available after you install it
09:14 thexyz if you don't want to lose any files, make backups
09:16 Aqua_ Lol  can i make backups of microsoft office etc.
09:17 Aqua_ Can i?
09:17 Aqua_ is it possible?
09:17 thexyz yes
09:18 thexyz but why do you need to backup it, in the first place?
09:19 Aqua_ Because i need it for work
09:20 Aqua_ Can you backup a browser?
09:22 thexyz you can backup everything, this is what backups are made for
09:22 Aqua_ Will you keep files when you change to kubuntu?
09:22 Aqua_ But why?
09:23 Aqua_ I thought all your files will still be there
09:23 thexyz they will
09:23 thexyz probably
09:23 thexyz but as it's your first time with linux distro, better to make backups
09:24 Aqua_ how big is the risk?
09:25 thexyz depends on you
09:26 Aqua_ When i copy and paste into my usb they are just shortcuts will they work?
09:28 thexyz nah, you'd better stay with windows
09:30 Aqua_ just gonna try without backups hope it worksw
09:30 Aqua_ openoffice will do
09:30 thexyz libreoffice
09:32 Aqua_ whats a virtual machine?
09:32 Aqua_ my friend says i cant run it because my laptop isnt powerful enough
09:33 sema4 a work computer with not-backed-up documents etc is no place to be experimenting with linux installs :)
09:34 Aqua_ windows xp, intel centrino duo, probaly five yr old dell
09:36 Aqua_ The only reason i wanted to try it was because a server is easier to run on linux
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09:37 sema4 i think i misunderstood, you just want to run linux from the USB stick, not install it eh?
09:38 Aqua_ yeo
09:38 Aqua_ yep
09:38 sema4 however, how is server 'easier' to run from linux?  on windows it's just a click of a shortcut
09:39 sema4 sorry, i have never had to boot from USB stick , so cannot give advice on that :I
09:40 thexyz sema4: you forgot the compiling part
09:41 sema4 you don't have to compile on windows, just install the binary
09:41 sema4 unless you're wanting to run latest from git
09:44 OldCoder Hi
09:44 OldCoder Aqua_, I am falling asleep and cannot buntu right now
09:45 OldCoder Jordach not here yet?
09:45 OldCoder If Jordach stops by somebody pass this on to him:
09:45 OldCoder Alone not always to atone // Or to madness be prone // Not a contention bone // Be alone off the phone // Skills to hone
09:50 OldCoder Heh. Jordach:
09:50 OldCoder @jordansnelling You'd be good at the rhymes profession but avoid obsession // rhymes are fun son // need not be // characters 140 // exactly
09:53 OldCoder @jordansnelling Redeem it would seem soul will gleam light of beam to shine your soul and mine rise they will it is a thrill still to redeem
09:54 OldCoder ^ Also 140 characters exactly
09:54 sema4 heh
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09:57 OldCoder One more. I can't help it. 140 characters exactly:
09:57 OldCoder @jordansnelling But rhyme time is now simple as that pull rhymes out of hat always time rhymes to chime you're not mime rhymes all the times
09:57 OldCoder Somebody point Jordach to these later
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10:12 devlab Hi, what's the propose of 'Desert Stone'?
10:15 sema4 diversity of materials?
10:15 sema4 :>
10:16 devlab Is it like sandstone?
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10:18 sema4 well i think if you mine it you get desert sand
10:18 sema4 rather than sand
10:18 * OldCoder needs Zzz
10:19 sema4 OldCoder, me too!
10:19 OldCoder o/
10:20 sema4 devlab, there is a mod that is supposed to make desert sand/stone more useful: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3761
10:20 moltenbot sema4's link: [Mod] More Useful Deserts [3] [desert_uses] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
10:35 devlab brb
10:42 sema4 well i am done for the night.  tot ziens!
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10:46 devlab what's the maximum light level available in minetest?
10:47 devlab 15?
10:47 thexyz 14
10:47 devlab can it be upped?
10:48 thexyz sun emits 15, nodes can only emit up to 14
10:48 devlab lights+ is the mod in question
10:48 thexyz this can be useful to check if node is directly under the sky
10:49 thexyz s/useful/used
10:49 thexyz well, weren't you asking about engine limits?
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11:09 devlab yes,
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13:03 thexyz marktraceur: have you succeeded in porting overviewer to minetest?
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14:10 * KikaRz waves to telek.
14:10 KikaRz meh
14:10 KikaRz everyone still offline
14:10 thexyz yep
14:10 * NekoGloop slaps KikaRz with a large tout
14:10 NekoGloop pfft
14:10 NekoGloop fuck English.
14:10 NekoGloop :<
14:10 * KikaRz puts the trout in NekoGloop's ass.
14:10 NekoGloop eww
14:11 KikaRz hahahahah
14:11 devlab Ouch, ahaha
14:11 KikaRz you got a fish in your *ss.
14:11 NekoGloop It's all wet and slimy
14:11 KikaRz xd
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14:13 KikaRz omg, Rythmbox makes the PC get laggy
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14:14 markveidemanis HHHHHHHIIIIIIIII...
14:18 NekoGloop BBBBBBBBBBBBBYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE...
14:18 KikaRz ...
14:18 KikaRz not funny.
14:24 KikaRz !define mod
14:24 KikaRz1 !define mod
14:24 moltenbot http://ddg.dg: mod definition: one who wears modern clothes.
14:24 * KikaRz1 is laughing
14:25 KikaRz1 !up jariten.sytes.net
14:25 moltenbot Minetest server jariten.sytes.net:30000 UP
14:26 NekoGloop !define pie
14:26 moltenbot http://ddg.dg: A baked food composed of a pastry shell filled with fruit, meat, cheese, or other ingredients, and usually covered with a pastry crust.
14:26 KikaRz1 i prefer that:
14:26 NekoGloop Oh, -now- it listens to me
14:26 KikaRz1 !define imagination
14:26 moltenbot http://ddg.dg: imagination definition: the act or power of forming a mental image of something not present to the senses or never before wholly perceived in reality.
14:26 KikaRz1 NekoGloop, if i change my name , he listens to me
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14:27 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
14:27 KikaRz1 Hi PilzAdam
14:27 KikaRz1 How are you today?
14:27 PilzAdam fine, thx
14:27 KikaRz1 It's Tuesday, 11 December 2012.
14:28 KikaRz1 10 days left to the start of last judgement.
14:28 PilzAdam wrong
14:28 KikaRz1 What's wrong?
14:28 NekoGloop you
14:28 PilzAdam the world doesnt go down at 21th of December
14:29 PilzAdam its just false interpretation of the Maya calendar
14:29 KikaRz1 I hate Maya.
14:29 KikaRz1 They are prostitutes.
14:30 KikaRz1 who knows the ip and port of VanessaE's server?
14:31 PilzAdam 24.181.193.82:30000
14:31 PilzAdam !up 24.181.193.82
14:31 moltenbot Minetest server 24.181.193.82:30000 DOWN
14:31 KikaRz1 :'(
14:31 NekoGloop 666.666.666.666:66666
14:31 KikaRz1 VanessaE is out for 2 days.
14:31 KikaRz1 nekogloop, we aren't from hell. otherwise like you.
14:31 KikaRz1 !up 666.666.666.666 6666
14:31 moltenbot Minetest server 666.666.666.666:6666 DOWN
14:31 KikaRz1 !up 666.666.666.666 66666
14:31 moltenbot Minetest server 666.666.666.666:66666 DOWN
14:32 KikaRz1 Its down. You must go to hell's server.
14:32 NekoGloop that would have been hilarious, and a little creepy, if that said up
14:32 devlab max ip range: 0.0.0.0-255.255.255.255
14:32 KikaRz1 i know
14:32 KikaRz1 NekoGloop thinks that range is up to 666.666.666.666. he's from hell. satan.
14:33 NekoGloop !up 66.66.66.66 66666
14:33 moltenbot Minetest server 66.66.66.66:66666 DOWN
14:34 KikaRz1 ...
14:35 KikaRz1 NekoGloop, we've already said: We aren't from hell.
14:35 KikaRz1 that should be internet in Hell. The pedofilians and robbers are in hell... so... they still alive in internet.
14:36 KikaRz1 PilzAdam, how i can get your boats mod?
14:36 PilzAdam click the download link
14:36 KikaRz1 do you know all list of VanessaE's mods? i want to get the mods
14:36 KikaRz1 to make a boat rac
14:36 KikaRz1 *race
14:36 KikaRz1 and rail
14:36 KikaRz1 what download link?
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14:49 devlab i just cleaned 99*3 gravel,
14:49 devlab what the?
14:50 NekoGloop so?
14:50 devlab Why is it like that?
14:51 NekoGloop like what?
14:51 KikaRz1 .c 99*3
14:51 KikaRz1 !c 99*3
14:51 Minetest-tan 297
14:52 KikaRz1 thank you Minetest-tan
14:52 NekoGloop there's also this neat application built into windows that is called a calculator
14:55 KikaRz1 NekoGloop, i don't have Windows.
14:55 NekoGloop sucks to be you
14:55 KikaRz1 ...
14:56 KikaRz1 I'll put this in your house
14:56 KikaRz1 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2902
14:56 moltenbot KikaRz1's link: [Mod] TNT [tnt] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
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14:57 OldCoder Hi
14:57 KikaRz1 OldCoder!!! My angel *--*
14:58 KikaRz1 One question: I can create a minetest_game copy?
14:58 KikaRz1 like minetest2_game ?
14:58 KikaRz1 to have another kit of mods
14:58 NekoGloop yes
14:58 OldCoder Sure
14:58 KikaRz1 Ok :)
14:58 OldCoder I have about 5 of them
14:59 KikaRz1 and OldCoder, my MP4 is finally updated.
14:59 OldCoder Good
14:59 KikaRz1 (with more recent musics
14:59 OldCoder Enjoy
14:59 KikaRz1 Thxs
15:00 KikaRz1 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1598 -- List of Mods needed.
15:00 moltenbot KikaRz1's link: [Modpack] MM2 [moved] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
15:00 KikaRz1 With boat mod and carts mod, ill make a copy of my cousin's world
15:00 KikaRz1 youtube.com/JGBBPT
15:01 KikaRz1 (minecraft adventure)
15:04 KikaRz1 Guys, soon in the maps: Cart / Boats races.
15:06 RealBadAngel joined #minetest
15:06 RealBadAngel aaAAA bike for sale, cheap
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15:07 PilzAdam hi RBA
15:07 RealBadAngel hi :)
15:07 KikaRz1 hi RBA :)
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15:07 RealBadAngel i hate riding the bike winter time :)
15:07 KikaRz1 how much it costs?
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15:08 KikaRz1 Hi Penguin
15:08 KikaRz1 Hi Morrolan
15:08 Penguin Hi
15:08 RealBadAngel 2 beers and its yours
15:08 KikaRz1 Hi milleja46
15:08 KikaRz1 You must be kidding me.
15:08 RealBadAngel a bit
15:09 Penguin Jejia ?
15:09 RealBadAngel its a good bike, but that snow
15:09 NekoGloop 2 beers?
15:09 NekoGloop is it a 6pack for the car?
15:09 RealBadAngel lol
15:09 KikaRz1 yea
15:09 KikaRz1 is it?
15:09 KikaRz1 i have a driving card.
15:10 NekoGloop to RBA, beer is currency.
15:10 KikaRz1 NOOOO
15:10 RealBadAngel better than gold
15:10 KikaRz1 Sorry, Ubuntu 12.04 has experienced an internal error.
15:10 KikaRz1 If you notice further problems, try restarting the computer.
15:11 KikaRz1 Show details --- Contue
15:11 KikaRz1 *Continue
15:11 KikaRz1 which one i press?
15:11 NekoGloop Sorry, you arent running Windows. So fuck you.
15:11 KikaRz1 NekoGloop, no flamming.
15:11 devlab That's Hilarious
15:11 KikaRz1 OldCoder.
15:11 RealBadAngel if you experience further problems please use the hammer
15:11 OldCoder KikaRz1
15:11 KikaRz1 Answer me.
15:12 KikaRz1 Thunar's fault.
15:12 Penguin Hi OldCoder
15:12 RealBadAngel me to-, me too
15:12 KikaRz1 ExecutablePath > /usr/bin/Thunar
15:12 RealBadAngel is Eu 0.4.4 ??
15:12 KikaRz1 yea.
15:12 KikaRz1 OldCoder, what i do? Continue?
15:13 devlab where'd you get this error?
15:13 KikaRz1 when i was extracting a mod.
15:13 KikaRz1 PilzAdam Cart's mod.
15:14 OldCoder KikaRz1, what produced the error? Penguin hi
15:14 RealBadAngel a) check the folder names
15:14 RealBadAngel b) check the folder names
15:14 RealBadAngel :)
15:14 KikaRz1 OldCoder, when i was extracting the carts mod
15:14 KikaRz1 RealBadAngel, not in game
15:15 KikaRz1 in the ubuntu.
15:15 RealBadAngel whenever
15:15 KikaRz1 OldCoder, Thunar
15:15 OldCoder KikaRz1, What was the extract command?
15:15 KikaRz1 nothing
15:15 OldCoder Ah
15:15 RealBadAngel mod dir shall be named  boats
15:15 KikaRz1 i was using a extractor
15:15 KikaRz1 not extractor
15:15 OldCoder Use unzip
15:15 KikaRz1 meh
15:15 OldCoder Not Thunar
15:15 devlab file roller?
15:15 KikaRz1 Not thunar
15:15 OldCoder devlab, not maintained
15:15 KikaRz1 i didnt used thunar
15:15 OldCoder Use unzip
15:15 RealBadAngel archive manager?
15:15 KikaRz1 Maybe.
15:16 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Have not tried it
15:16 KikaRz1 now its not giving me more any problems
15:16 RealBadAngel martraceur is right
15:17 RealBadAngel we shall really have here a mod manager
15:17 KikaRz1 yea
15:17 KikaRz1 i got that problem now again
15:17 NekoGloop why>
15:17 KikaRz1 when extracting jeija's mesecons
15:17 NekoGloop so that you all can claim our mods?
15:17 KikaRz1 STFU NekoGloop. You using windows.
15:18 RealBadAngel and minecraft :P
15:18 NekoGloop no ctcp version ftw
15:18 KikaRz1 -NekoGloop- VERSION qwebirc v0.91, copyright (C) 2008-2011 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/537.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/23.0.1271.95 Safari/537.11
15:18 KikaRz1 web
15:18 KikaRz1 and windows nt
15:18 NekoGloop lolno
15:18 KikaRz1 yes you are.
15:18 RealBadAngel hes on win
15:18 NekoGloop nope
15:18 KikaRz1 Yes you are.
15:18 KikaRz1 all /ctcp NekoGloop VERSION
15:19 NekoGloop lol no i'm not
15:19 KikaRz1 Yes you are
15:19 NekoGloop I'm on WinXP
15:19 NekoGloop so fuck off already
15:19 KikaRz1 Windows NT = kernel
15:19 KikaRz1 windows xp = OS.
15:19 RealBadAngel meow, not im not...
15:19 RealBadAngel all kitties does the same
15:19 KikaRz1 ill CTCP Version everyone
15:19 NekoGloop Why does it say anything about Safari or Mozilla though
15:19 KikaRz1 who haves windows will be cited
15:20 KikaRz1 >ChanServ< CTCP VERSION
15:20 KikaRz1 -ChanServ- VERSION atheme 7.0.5. 3828836d36d6ce8ac87e1a71d0b653e91cf14662 services. cejtR [ircd-seven] Build Date: Oct 10 2012
15:20 KikaRz1 that is?
15:20 devlab I'm on openSUSE, Koversation
15:20 NekoGloop that's called not a user...
15:20 KikaRz1 I know you dumb
15:21 KikaRz1 AndrewPH is using Windows 7. (hexchat)
15:21 NekoGloop petition to +q KikaRz1
15:22 devlab really?
15:23 RealBadAngel who cares
15:23 KikaRz1 OMG, a lot of non answered CTCP's.
15:23 RealBadAngel in 10 days we gonna have the end of the world anyways
15:23 NekoGloop because they block them
15:24 KikaRz1 Lets list: (not user names, just numbers)
15:24 KikaRz1 12 has CTCP disabled.
15:24 KikaRz1 Just to jin_xi!
15:25 KikaRz1 10 are using Linux
15:25 KikaRz1 2 are using WIndows (
15:25 KikaRz1 let em continue
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15:29 KikaRz1 Ok, continuing to tango_... I presume that CTCP disabled people are from Linux (except NekoGloop.
15:30 marktraceur theTroy: Nope
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15:32 KikaRz1 So... 2+2=4 Windows - 12+28 CTCP disabled - 10+4 Linux
15:32 KikaRz1 !c 12+28
15:32 Minetest-tan 40
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15:32 KikaRz1 So, 40 CTCP Disabled - 5 Windows - 14 Linuxs.
15:32 KikaRz1 Let me continue.
15:33 RealBadAngel 40 on apples? ;)
15:33 celeron55 wtf
15:33 celeron55 KikaRz1: stop it
15:34 theTroy KikaRz1: CTCP spoof plugin was quite easy to write
15:34 KikaRz1 celeron55, im making a statistic
15:34 theTroy and there are also some available
15:34 celeron55 KikaRz1: you have done that many times already; a single time should be enough for a statistic
15:34 theTroy like I am spoofing pidgin + linux
15:34 celeron55 KikaRz1: next time will be a kick
15:34 RealBadAngel hi celeron55
15:34 KikaRz1 ... not my problem. NekoGloop started a war.
15:35 celeron55 CTCP is not appreciated in IRC
15:35 KikaRz1 of Ops
15:35 KikaRz1 so, why included it?
15:35 celeron55 i don't care
15:35 theTroy and hi celeron55 nice to see you back on irc and glad that minetest is still going :)
15:35 theTroy best of luck with future progress/projects!
15:36 NekoGloop he's always here
15:36 KikaRz1 but away always.
15:37 RealBadAngel never say never....
15:37 NekoGloop fuck bieber.
15:38 RealBadAngel actually you just tried to fuck bond
15:38 KikaRz1 NekoGloop, shut the hell up. I'm tired of hearing you
15:38 ecube KikaRz1: why you ctcp me so much
15:38 RealBadAngel youre brave ;)
15:38 KikaRz1 ecube, not
15:38 KikaRz1 just 1 time
15:38 ecube 1 time is 1 too much...
15:38 NekoGloop kika, we're all tired of you
15:38 KikaRz1 And of you NekoGloop
15:39 NekoGloop nope
15:39 ecube nah, I like NekoGloop
15:39 celeron55 both statements are true
15:43 KikaRz1 PilzAdam, where is farming_plus? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2787
15:43 moltenbot KikaRz1's link: [Mod] Farming [farming] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
15:43 KikaRz1 at the end of topic?
15:43 KikaRz1 Ok, i found it
15:46 KikaRz1 RealBadAngel, your unified_inventory is in forums?
15:48 NakedFury http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3933
15:48 moltenbot NakedFury's link: [mod] Unified Inventory [0.9] [unifiedinventory] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
15:48 KikaRz1 thank you
15:48 KikaRz1 when i was trying to find mod in forums, i didnt find it
15:49 KikaRz1 latest?
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15:51 KikaRz1 Welcome Back Jordach
15:51 Jordach another name to the ignore list
15:51 KikaRz1 ??
15:54 Jordach OldCoder - nice rhymes.
15:54 OldCoder 140 characters :-)
15:54 OldCoder Exactly
15:55 Jordach good.
15:55 Jordach real good.
15:56 devlab hey Celeron
15:56 NekoGloop why are you talking to a color?
15:56 devlab ?
16:00 thexyz strange.. Minetest-tan missed a commit
16:00 * PilzAdam noticed that too
16:00 * KikaRz1 too.
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16:00 NekoGloop kika, no you didnt
16:01 NekoGloop you're just taking the credit
16:01 KikaRz1 Yes i did.
16:01 KikaRz1 im on github
16:02 KikaRz1 NekoGloop, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/52ba413185f96add259c480a68f5dffa389e80f4
16:02 moltenbot KikaRz1's link: Only fly through walls in noclip mode wich requires the noclip privilege ?  52ba413 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
16:03 NekoGloop so am i
16:04 NekoGloop i just honestly dont give a fuck about things i cant do anything about
16:04 NekoGloop too lazy to compile
16:04 KikaRz1 so, shut up.
16:04 PilzAdam s/too lazy to compile/cant compile because im on windows
16:04 KikaRz1 NekoGloop ignored. Reason: Too lazy to talk.
16:05 NekoGloop I can compile
16:05 KikaRz1 PilzAdam, it's possible to compile on windows.
16:05 NekoGloop I've done it before
16:06 thexyz what've you compiled? hello world?
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16:06 NekoGloop minetest
16:08 KikaRz1 RealBadAngel, does your inventory include Food recipes?
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16:10 thexyz NekoGloop: did it run?
16:10 NekoGloop yes
16:11 NekoGloop at 5fps because stupid me didnt close cmake or MSVC++ first.
16:12 marktraceur Sorry, theTroy, I meant to say "nope" to thexyz
16:12 marktraceur thexyz: I haven't run overviewer on minetest, no
16:13 marktraceur KikaRz1: You've cleverly^Waccidentally avoided my /ignore! Well done! Goodbye!
16:13 KikaRz1 Thank you marktraceur. but i don't want ignore, im not doing nothing
16:15 KikaRz1 I got some ideas to Frontal / Back view in Minetest. Like: A camera in back (nobody can see) and in front.
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16:17 KikaRz1 Who likes that idea?
16:17 NekoGloop noone.
16:19 thexyz marktraceur: =(
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16:23 marktraceur KikaRz-AFK: We shall see.
16:23 KikaRz-AFK Ok, i'll show you that i'm better today.
16:25 marktraceur KikaRz-AFK: Yes, I did. Why the PM?
16:25 KikaRz-AFK To don't spam the channel.
16:25 KikaRz-AFK That's an unrelated theme.
16:25 * marktraceur blocked KikaRz-AFK because she's annoying as all hell, that's on-topic
16:25 Jordach :D
16:25 KikaRz-AFK Not going to answer that
16:27 OldCoder Zeg9, hi
16:28 KikaRz OldCoder, now i'll be better. No Spam, no unrelated things talking-about, no bot abuse.
16:29 marktraceur Bound to be a quiet day
16:29 Jordach marktraceur - yeah
16:29 marktraceur Not that I'm complaining. Big happenings down at the wiki mines today.
16:30 OldCoder KikaRz, fin
16:30 OldCoder KikaRz, fine *
16:30 KikaRz Guys, can you send me good textures packs? I wanted to see my minetest diferent... (not that random ones of the forums)
16:31 * OldCoder is resting again briefly
16:31 marktraceur KikaRz: The ones on the forums are the only texture packs that exist. So they aren't random, they're total.
16:32 Morrolan KikaRz - You rang?
16:33 KikaRz Not that i meant. i was trying to say: bad quality ones.
16:33 KikaRz Morrolan, define rang.
16:34 Morrolan Highlighted.
16:35 Morrolan (Mentioned my nickname, if you're in need of a definition of 'highlight', too.)
16:35 marktraceur KikaRz: If you think the ones on the forum are bad, then that sucks, because there aren't any other ones.
16:36 KikaRz not that i said
16:36 KikaRz http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4035
16:36 Morrolan KikaRz - Seems that 'hi' was right after my bouncer joined, though, so nevermind. :)
16:36 KikaRz Morrolan, stop being random.
16:36 Morrolan There's nothing random about this.
16:37 marktraceur KikaRz: My point is, if you want texture packs, the forum has all of them. Just look through until you find one you like.
16:38 KikaRz Ok. Going to find. I was just trying to know your opinion about that ones you like.
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16:38 NekoGloop there used to be this really shitty one there
16:38 NekoGloop til i removed it
16:39 * marktraceur uses default texture, would use an ASCII one if it existed, doesn't care about the quality of a texture pack
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16:40 KikaRz Ok marktraceur, thank you anyways.
16:40 john_minetest ASCII texture pack... nice idea!
16:40 KikaRz Yea, it is :)
16:41 Zeg9 ...What about aa lib ? I don't think it will work with hardware acceleration, though
16:45 celeron55 well, you could *make* it work, just render the scene to a texture and feed to aa
16:45 celeron55 ...8)
16:45 celeron55 not really hard at all, but the usefulness of that is like -1 out of 100
16:46 KikaRz No it's not. it's 5/10.
16:46 KikaRz not 100 :P
16:47 Zeg9 This would be laggy, wouldn't it ?
16:47 Zeg9 and quite useless
16:48 Jordach considering mt is already laggy
16:48 KikaRz Yea. To process that blocks (breaking nodes and placing nodes)
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16:48 KikaRz To render the map...
16:48 Zeg9 By laggy, here I ment rendering lag
16:48 KikaRz Calinou, gotta talk with you.
16:49 Calinou hi
16:49 KikaRz hi.
16:49 KikaRz is your texture pack (faithful converted) updated?
16:49 Zeg9 Hello
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16:50 KikaRz Hello Zeg9
16:50 Calinou KikaRz: updated, as in? i'm not really maintaining it anymore but it should work fine with latest MT versions
16:50 KikaRz Calinou, with the doors, ladders, chars... etc
16:51 Calinou ladders?
16:51 KikaRz or the 3d doors update affects them?
16:51 KikaRz not ladders...
16:51 Calinou I need to update doors mod support though :P
16:51 KikaRz not doors mod... its the new update (doors look more 3d)
16:52 Calinou yes
16:52 KikaRz ok.
16:53 KikaRz first going to try RealBadAngel's texture pack (his one)
16:56 * Calinou redownloads the minecraft pack first
16:56 Calinou yay, adfly!
16:56 Zeg9 This is great.
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16:57 PilzAdam Calinou, adblock plus?
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17:05 KikaRz Going to Dinner... Kisses *--*
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17:12 markveidemanis hi
17:15 KikaRz hi markveidemanis
17:15 KikaRz Can i play in your server?
17:15 markveidemanis sure, hust a sec, testing the npc mod
17:15 markveidemanis #just
17:15 markveidemanis i built a mansion:)
17:16 KikaRz i can build a ship (space ship)
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17:17 markveidemanis i can screw up the npc mod...:D
17:17 KikaRz i can delete minetest worlds.
17:22 markveidemanis done
17:22 Calinou PilzAdam: of course, but adfly make everyone waste 5 seconds
17:22 Calinou makes*
17:23 * Calinou managed to make blender crash, yey
17:23 Calinou set material type to volume > render > crash
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17:27 Penguin hi
17:28 john_minetest hi
17:29 Zeg9 Hello.
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17:30 KikaRz Meh, crashed.
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17:32 Penguin What servers yous on
17:32 PilzAdam youtube.com:80
17:32 Penguin ?
17:33 KikaRz lol
17:33 thexyz Taoki: can this be caused by your attachment system? http://i.imgur.com/dH0lM.png
17:33 KikaRz Yea, we can be at youtube.com:80.
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17:33 KikaRz Penguin, be more specific. (Minetest Server you at?)
17:34 Penguin Please i'm bored What Minetest Servers Are You On
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17:34 thexyz Penguin: 127.0.0.1:30000
17:34 thexyz !up 127.0.0.1 30000
17:34 moltenbot Minetest server 127.0.0.1:30000 UP
17:34 thexyz see?
17:35 thexyz feel free to join
17:35 Penguin is it any good
17:35 thexyz for sure
17:36 thexyz the most awesome and fast one
17:36 Penguin what mods
17:36 thexyz those you'll fall in love with
17:36 Zeg9 "server's PROTOCOL_VERSION is 11, client's PROTOCOL_VERSION is 13"
17:36 Penguin will come on it now
17:36 Penguin 127.0.0.1?
17:36 thexyz sure
17:36 Zeg9 Yep
17:37 Penguin what ver
17:37 frogcrush That's a Localhost IP
17:37 Zeg9 I'm there too
17:37 Zeg9 ...frogcrush, you ruined all this.
17:37 * thexyz flies away
17:37 frogcrush Awwe, I sorry :(
17:37 PilzAdam frogcrush, you ruined the joke!
17:37 * frogcrush is sad now
17:37 Jordach joined #minetest
17:38 Penguin WOW
17:38 Jordach IRC,  y u die?
17:39 Penguin i mean it now what are the good servers of minetest
17:39 frogcrush 131.253.13.32 is a good server
17:39 Penguin Port
17:39 frogcrush The norm
17:40 Penguin Wow Trlol Again ?
17:41 frogcrush 131.253.13.32 is also a handy website
17:41 Penguin i carnt connect
17:42 Zeg9 I found a good website too
17:42 Zeg9 about minetest, and all sandbox games
17:42 Zeg9 82.103.139.11
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17:44 Zeg9 Forget this.
17:44 KikaRz Hi there... Again.
17:44 Zeg9 67.205.24.236
17:44 Zeg9 Hello KikaRz
17:45 KikaRz that ip is for? a server? i like building.
17:45 Zeg9 ...I'll check my links next time.
17:45 frogcrush lol
17:45 Jordach try this 2001:0db8:85a3:0042:1000:8a2e:0370:7334
17:45 KikaRz That's ipv6.
17:45 KikaRz or 8 xd
17:45 frogcrush Nothing is wrong with ipv6
17:45 frogcrush :D
17:45 Zeg9 Great.
17:46 Zeg9 or...
17:46 Penguin kikarz what server you on
17:46 Jordach minetest does not support ipv6, way to go
17:46 frogcrush Isn't that IP from the Wikipedia post?
17:46 Zeg9 Ok this one works: 5.9.130.165
17:47 KikaRz Penguin, no where.
17:47 Jordach yes, frogcrush - im just trollin
17:47 KikaRz Penguin, i can try making a server
17:47 KikaRz in my pc
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17:50 KikaRz Guys, what feedback you give on that mod? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3647
17:50 Penguin lol the pickaxe
17:50 KikaRz It's just good to remove water (and get water_source / Flowing)
17:51 frogcrush Nice pickaxe :)
17:51 KikaRz dislike a bit the texture
17:51 frogcrush It looks like it could be handy tho
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17:52 KikaRz it shall have sticks
17:54 Jordach does someone have vanessa's server ip?
17:54 KikaRz It's offline.
17:54 Jordach PilzAdam - do you ?
17:54 KikaRz She's away for 2 days. (tomorrow she comes back)
17:54 PilzAdam Jordach, 24.181.193.82
17:54 Jordach cheers
17:54 KikaRz PilzAdam, Jordach maybe ignored me.
17:55 PilzAdam KikaRz, there may be other reasons to request the IP
17:55 Jordach last night i swapped out that ip to play with mito551 for a youtube lets play
17:56 Jordach PilzAdam - seems dead
17:56 KikaRz ... I said.
17:56 Jordach OldCoder - have you heard what happened to 24.181.193.82?
17:56 OldCoder No
17:56 Jordach hm, it's dead atm
17:57 KikaRZZ Her server is offline reason: she's away for 2 days
17:57 KikaRZZ she comes back tomorrow. Thank you for your attention
17:57 * Jordach wonders why she did not pass the admin stuff to PilzAdam, or jin_xi
17:58 Penguin oldcoder have you updated
17:58 OldCoder Penguin, please
17:58 OldCoder You asked about an hour ago
17:58 OldCoder Patience is a virtue
17:58 Penguin sorry
17:58 OldCoder It's fine
17:58 * frogcrush laughs at the young people
17:58 OldCoder I will work on it right now
17:58 Jordach RealBadAngel PM
17:58 OldCoder But it may take a day or two to evaluate
17:59 KikaRz OldCoder, why European server got many (many many many) mods / downloads?
17:59 KikaRz Afk.
17:59 OldCoder KikaRz, what?
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18:00 KikaRzReadingNew OldCoder , i was trying to say: European Server got too much media to download.
18:00 * Jordach is joining OldCoder Euro
18:00 KikaRzReadingNew (so... my pc gets memory 100% full and goes down.)
18:01 OldCoder KikaRzReadingNew, I don't understand
18:01 OldCoder It has not changed
18:01 OldCoder recently
18:01 Jordach ah yes
18:01 KikaRzReadingNew I tried to enter (to play with RealBadAngel) in the European server... Media takes a lot to download.
18:01 OldCoder Yes
18:01 OldCoder But only once
18:01 OldCoder Plus 0.4.4 may help
18:01 * Jordach loves the global shortcuts i implemented in my custom media player
18:01 KikaRzReadingNew I know... But i have a problem.
18:01 OldCoder Let me focus
18:01 OldCoder What problem?
18:02 KikaRzReadingNew When takes a lot, (downloading), my computer gets laggy, 100% memory used... and goes down
18:02 * frogcrush congratulates Jordach
18:02 OldCoder KikaRzReadingNew, it is only once
18:02 OldCoder KikaRzReadingNew, let me focus
18:02 KikaRzReadingNew I know! But how i get the downloads? can you pass me the cache?
18:03 OldCoder KikaRzReadingNew, It is in the Windows ZIP I made
18:03 OldCoder Didn't I give you that already?
18:03 KikaRzReadingNew Ah! I remember... can you pass me it again?
18:03 KikaRzReadingNew I'm in Linux
18:03 * OldCoder sighs!
18:03 OldCoder KikaRzReadingNew, om
18:03 KikaRzReadingNew 121010?
18:03 KikaRzReadingNew or 121012?
18:04 OldCoder http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-121020.zip
18:04 OldCoder That one
18:04 KikaRzReadingNew thank you.
18:04 OldCoder yw
18:05 frogcrush OldCoder, are you getting bugged a lot?
18:05 OldCoder frogcrush, explain
18:05 Jordach like constant highlights
18:05 OldCoder Sort of
18:05 OldCoder Like right now
18:05 OldCoder :-)
18:06 KikaRz poor nurse....
18:15 Jordach wow this rooms cold again
18:17 KikaRz what?
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18:34 KikaRz OldCoder, the cache didnt result in nothing
18:34 KikaRz my computer crashed again
18:34 OldCoder Crashed?
18:34 KikaRz :(
18:34 KikaRz yea
18:34 KikaRz pc froze then reboot
18:34 OldCoder That is odd
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18:34 KikaRz (without blue screen like windows xd
18:34 OldCoder Jeija, hi
18:34 Jeija Hi everyone, hi OldCoder
18:35 Jeija Anyone found anymore bugs in the new mesecons branch? If not, I'd like to merge it now.
18:36 KikaRz IDK. wait
18:36 KikaRz your topic got the download to the master? if yes, im going to test now
18:37 Jeija https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/archive/mesecons_in_nodedef.zip
18:38 Jordach jeija, at some point could it be possible to fix the wireless mesecons?
18:39 Jeija Jordach, I actually thought about that this morning. Yes, it may be possible, maybe also as an extension. But I will create a new code for them, not use that old rubbish.
18:39 Jeija Next thing is vertical mesecons (finally)
18:39 Jordach since we now has formspec and such
18:40 KikaRz going to install more ores + more blocks...*
18:40 KikaRz who got more ideas to install mods?
18:41 Jeija the problem is that all receivers need to be registered in a public variable that has to be saved and loaded each time you open the game
18:41 Jeija maybe I can make it so that the coords of the receiver can be saved in the sender's meta, but I'm not sure how to do that
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18:43 KikaRz Calinou, got a idea for your More Blocks mod.
18:43 marktraceur KikaRz: an idea, dear.
18:44 Calinou a dear idea!
18:44 KikaRz You know Sweeper? its used to clean glass by crafting... you could make when sweeper punches glass, it cleans the glass and your sweeper is gone because was use
18:44 KikaRz *used
18:44 KikaRz that was more realist
18:44 KikaRz *realistic
18:44 marktraceur Calinou: If it were a deer idea, it would need to go in the animals mod....
18:45 KikaRz and to bookshelves too
18:45 KikaRz You like the idea Calinou?
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18:47 Jordach not really
18:48 Jordach wireless transmitter = on, channel, wireless reciever = on, that channel
18:49 KikaRz Calinou , did you listen my idea?
18:50 KikaRz and the Doors+ link is disabled.
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18:51 john_minetest KikaRz: the sweeper should be like a tool and get used when cleaning a window.
18:51 KikaRz not that im saying. TO clean glass we need to use it in crafting.
18:51 KikaRz not punching glass
18:52 KikaRz punching glass were more realistic
18:52 john_minetest so normal glass is dirty?
18:53 KikaRz maybe.
18:53 KikaRz xd
18:53 KikaRz and bookshelves too
18:53 KikaRz (with books XD)
18:53 KikaRz thats a bit funny
18:55 MiJyn finally! peace in the MT channel!
18:56 marktraceur MiJyn: Muted someone? :)
18:56 john_minetest KikaRz: Oh, don't talk about dirty books! I have got 2 bookshelves and they are dusty all over...
18:56 KikaRz MiJyn, my behaviour has been improved. Now i'll don't spam, write things in different lines, talk about unrelated subjects and just talk when i have questions (or it's a MT party)
18:56 KikaRz when i have questions, talk about mods, tp(texture packs) and +++
18:56 MiJyn marktraceur, guess who lol
18:57 marktraceur MiJyn: Could it be.... KikaRz ?
18:57 KikaRz no i'm not muted
18:57 MiJyn marktraceur, wow, you are good lol
18:57 marktraceur KikaRz: I think to MiJyn, you are :)
18:57 KikaRz COntinuing to install mods
18:57 KikaRz Bye Zeg9
18:57 Jeija https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/archive/master.zip << I merged the mesecons branch. I hope you enjoy the new version (Even though the user can hardly discover any changes). The developer resources will be updated in the nest few days as soon as this branch is proven to be stable.
18:58 MiJyn I wonder what she would have said... at the same time, I'm not really interested lol
18:58 KikaRz downloading new branch.
18:59 marktraceur MiJyn: She claims she's being better today, I've seen only some evidence thereof
18:59 KikaRz marktraceur, not only today. Every next days.
19:00 marktraceur Right, *starting* today.
19:00 Penguin joined #minetest
19:00 Penguin Hey
19:00 KikaRz Welcome Back! :)
19:00 KikaRz marktraceur, make a film: A day without Kika: The parrot.
19:00 KikaRz XD
19:01 Penguin oldcoder i carnt connect to 30009
19:01 MiJyn @marktraceur, interesting how LandMine is banned for just appearing on the channel and saying a little comment and SOME others (who I'm not going to mention the name) are not banned at all for doing worse lol
19:01 MiJyn don't want to be mean, but seriously
19:01 KikaRz LandMine is banned?
19:02 marktraceur MiJyn: Because ultimately, this community doesn't really want to eliminate problems. They just want to ignore them and hope they go away on their own.
19:02 frogcrush So THATS why I'm allowed on...
19:02 marktraceur Which is great, for a democracy. But that's not what IRC is.
19:03 MiJyn marktraceur, yep. I wonder what would have happened if LM was a woman... I don't think she would have been banned so easily
19:03 marktraceur Hm, that's interesting
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19:04 KikaRz MiJyn, so... if the channel was filled up of homossexuals...
19:04 Penguin Anyone On A Good Server
19:04 KikaRz nobody was ebing banned
19:04 KikaRz :P
19:04 KikaRz Welcome back Jordan4ibanez
19:04 jordan4ibanez thank you
19:04 MiJyn marktraceur, what do you think?
19:05 john_minetest This is equality: Women don't get so much money in average, but they aren't banned from IRC.
19:05 thexyz what? should we mute somebody?
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19:05 marktraceur KikaRz: I think MiJyn's point is that we make an effort to keep female community members, more than male ones
19:05 KikaRz Hi iqualfragile.
19:05 marktraceur thexyz: Several people come to mind, but you won't be interested
19:05 MiJyn yeah, that's it
19:05 Jordach i think pissing off cornernote was the worst thing ever.
19:05 iqualfragile hi KikaRz
19:05 thexyz i'm good at this things, you know
19:05 Jordach s/this/these
19:05 iqualfragile ah, right: what happened to cornernote? why was he banned?
19:06 Jordach he requested to
19:06 KikaRz Guys, whats that mod like Stairs+ and Doors+ ? Xdoors or XStairs... or something?
19:06 iqualfragile xdoors2
19:06 marktraceur thexyz: Well, the first is RealBadAngel, who several days ago insulted me based solely on age. I'd suggest a few days of mute with a good statement of reason. OldCoder refused the suggestion and told me to /ignore, which I did.
19:06 KikaRz thxs, there is more one mod?
19:07 Penguin kikarz what you do ing
19:07 KikaRz installing mods.
19:07 KikaRz Selecting first...
19:07 frogcrush Doing is one word
19:07 MiJyn Jordach, cornernote was banned?
19:07 OldCoder iqualfragile, there was an issue related to the consumption of meat
19:07 KikaRz Yea MiJyn
19:07 iqualfragile consumption of meat?
19:08 thexyz he was posting animal gore
19:08 MiJyn I thought he was the only really mature person on this channel (apart from OldCoder and a few others)
19:08 jordan4ibanez cornernote was banned because he opressed his opinion like an extremest
19:08 thexyz then i kicked him
19:08 Jordach iqualfragile - i should of /give Cornernote default:apple -1
19:08 Penguin lolk
19:08 thexyz then he burned out
19:08 Penguin lol
19:08 thexyz sad story
19:08 marktraceur thexyz: The second is cy1, who yesterday used the term "retarded" in a derogatory sense. I asked him to stop, but he refused to apologize and continued using the word. Because I'd learned that the ops don't care about offensive language, I didn't even ask, /ignored him, and banned him from another channel.
19:08 KikaRz Omg, marktraceur, i'm not in that unrelated things chat.
19:08 jordan4ibanez I fucking hate the 310 nvidia driver
19:09 iqualfragile i fucking hate the nvidia driver
19:09 jordan4ibanez apparently my gtx650 is too new to use classic nvidia drivers, so i have to use the beta
19:09 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, well, I sort of like extremists...
19:10 KikaRz Jordach: "Hey all; I forked thexyz's xDoor2, and made it so you can have any shaped texture with an alpha channel."
19:10 KikaRz The real mod is made by you or him?
19:10 Jordach jordan4ibanez - haha!
19:10 jordan4ibanez mijyn: you like seeing slaughtered animals?
19:10 Jordach mines GeForce 6200
19:10 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, idk, if he has a point, it may be worth it
19:10 jordan4ibanez Then go to cornernotes website! You'll love it there :D
19:10 frogcrush Anyone report cornernotes website?
19:10 KikaRz Site?
19:10 thexyz marktraceur: that's strange
19:11 jordan4ibanez Don't go, i was kidding.
19:11 frogcrush That is freaking disgusting
19:11 KikaRz I didnt requested the site
19:11 jordan4ibanez time to boot with 304 beta driver
19:11 OldCoder jordan4ibanez, cornernote insisted on the ban
19:11 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, hmm, that's his website, he gets to do what he wants
19:11 KikaRz just telling site? because i didnt knew that he were with a site.
19:11 OldCoder But you are gone
19:11 Penguin oldcoder i carnt connect to 30009
19:11 marktraceur thexyz: What's strange, exactly?
19:11 OldCoder Penguin, thank you. I am checking now.
19:11 KikaRz Jordach, that xdoors2 it's your mod or from thexyz?
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19:12 KikaRz ( i guess Jordach still got me ignored
19:12 OldCoder Penguin, you timed out
19:12 KikaRz Hi Penguin_
19:12 thexyz marktraceur: can you provide links to logged messages?
19:12 iqualfragile !up minetest.org 30009
19:12 Penguin_ oh and why carnt i connect to 30009 coder
19:12 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30009 UP
19:12 Penguin_ oh
19:13 marktraceur thexyz: Where are the logs, again?
19:13 OldCoder Penguin, it was just a timeout
19:13 thexyz marktraceur: http://irc.minetest.ru
19:13 moltenbot thexyz's link: IRC logs - Index
19:13 jordan4ibanez joined #minetest
19:13 frogcrush OMFG thats creepy how up-to-date those are...
19:14 jordan4ibanez joined #minetest
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19:14 jordan4ibanez BOLD
19:15 iqualfragile frogcrush: they are uptodate to the sec, written by loggingbot i guess
19:15 MiJyn frogcrush, you realize that the bot automatically updates the website as logs are added?
19:15 frogcrush Yeah, just saying its creepy
19:15 Penguin_ it wont connect to 30009
19:15 KikaRz frogcrush, it's not... It's EPIC
19:15 iqualfragile one feels watched
19:15 KikaRz Moom! I'm on #minetest 's log! :)
19:15 frogcrush KikaRz lol
19:16 KikaRz xd
19:17 marktraceur thexyz: The RealBadAngel stuff starts around http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-12-09#i_2702424 but it's not as clear-cut as I remembered. He has generally disrespected me and several times told me that I don't understand something because I'm young.
19:17 moltenbot marktraceur's link: IRC log for #minetest, 2012-12-09
19:18 jordan4ibanez I didn't think everyone would be so suped for my mobs lol
19:19 KikaRz Who can give me the WorldEdit link? I can't find it in Forums
19:19 marktraceur thexyz: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-12-10#i_2705727 is cy1's discussion
19:19 moltenbot marktraceur's link: IRC log for #minetest, 2012-12-10
19:20 iqualfragile jordan4ibanez: your mobs?
19:20 jordan4ibanez yea
19:21 iqualfragile link?
19:21 jordan4ibanez http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4023
19:21 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: [1.0] 3D Animated NPC (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
19:22 MiJyn why doesn't /ignore -r work?
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19:23 KikaRz Who can send me WorldEdit's link? I need it please.
19:23 thexyz i don't think it deserved kick/ban/mute
19:23 MiJyn KikaRz, which WE link?
19:23 Penguin stupid time out
19:23 KikaRz WorldEdit please.
19:23 KikaRz Hi sfan5.
19:23 sfan5 hi
19:24 jin_xi KikaRz: you know google? its good at finding minetest mods
19:24 MiJyn KikaRz, I mean, _which_ WorldEdit mod?
19:24 MiJyn Sfan5's, Uberi's
19:24 KikaRz forget Mijyn.
19:24 KikaRz jin_xi, my computer is too lazy
19:24 MiJyn lol
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19:24 bulletrulz hi
19:24 MiJyn hi bulletrulz
19:24 KikaRz hi bulletrulz
19:24 bulletrulz sup guys
19:24 MiJyn good, you?
19:25 sfan5 KikaRz: Uberi's WorldEdit == my WorldEdit
19:25 Penguin how
19:25 Penguin minetest forum is better
19:25 bulletrulz pretty goood
19:25 MiJyn sfan5, really? Didn't know
19:25 KikaRz sfan5, what's the diference?
19:25 sfan5 KikaRz: there if no difference
19:25 KikaRz ok.
19:25 sfan5 MiJyn: uberi just created the github repo
19:25 bulletrulz Penguin, what do u mean?
19:26 Penguin dont matter
19:26 jordan4ibanez sfan5 can you use a for statement in your worldedit? not while
19:26 bulletrulz fuck windows ill use dockbarx
19:26 bulletrulz LOL
19:26 MiJyn <offtopic>I realized something... it seemsl ike as if PilzAdam is really copying mods and saying that they are his... he copied XYZ's cart mod, he copied my MC-like drop item inventory thingy, he copied sapier's mobs mod, and he copied many others...</offtopic>
19:26 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: why?
19:26 KikaRz MiJyn, wrong.
19:26 jordan4ibanez mijyn stop starting trouble lol
19:26 iqualfragile MiJyn: nope
19:27 sfan5 MiJyn: no
19:27 jordan4ibanez sfan5: performance! so you can do things while it edits
19:27 MiJyn Myself: Nope :P
19:27 PilzAdam MiJyn, somehow you are right
19:27 MiJyn seriously, just look at the codebase
19:27 bulletrulz MiJyn, well idk
19:27 iqualfragile he was inspired by thexyz cart mod
19:27 KikaRz yea
19:27 MiJyn look at how it's made
19:27 PilzAdam MiJyn, carts, mobs, MC item drop are completly written by me
19:28 MiJyn seriously, I looked, and they are too similar... @PilzAdam, why don't you just help the mod instead of copying it?
19:28 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: you can't do anything while a mod callback is running, doesn't matter if it uses for or while loops
19:28 MiJyn PilzAdam, right, but they work pretty much exacly the same
19:28 MiJyn *exactly
19:28 PilzAdam if you think so
19:29 MiJyn whatever
19:29 jordan4ibanez So by that statement, linux devs should just help windows lol
19:29 NakedFury they should
19:29 PilzAdam If you take Simple mobs as and example: if you look at sapiers huge code, and then look at the few lines I have done, you will realise that there may be an difference
19:29 thexyz MiJyn: most of my mods are under WTFPL, feel free to steal them and claim you wrote them
19:29 KikaRz sfan5, going to use your nuke mod :)
19:29 MiJyn thexyz, I know, but it's still rather unethical
19:29 KikaRz it lags our pcs?
19:30 bulletrulz you know what i noticed Mac Sucks
19:30 PilzAdam Carts mod: thexyz's carts mod uses setpos() to move the cart; I use setvelocity() wich is a completly different system
19:30 bulletrulz wait i aready knew that XD
19:30 sfan5 bulletrulz: oh really?
19:30 PilzAdam Item drop: my Item drop mod is a standalone mod while the other mods are all patches to the engine
19:30 MiJyn PilzAdam, mine too, and it was written way before yours
19:30 bulletrulz i also noticed windows is a pile of shit!
19:31 PilzAdam MiJyn, link?
19:31 MiJyn PilzAdam, sure
19:31 bulletrulz PilzAdam, i can agrre with mijyn here
19:31 bulletrulz he did make the mod before u
19:31 PilzAdam but we need to check if its simmiliar code
19:31 thexyz that reminds me of some guy claiming that i stole his mod and made xdoors2 based on his code
19:31 KikaRz guys, because i dislike wars, im going to test my mods.
19:32 KikaRz not my mods only, the people mods
19:32 jordan4ibanez Mijyn, your mod made the actual drops go to the player, which didn't work, his mod makes the player suck up the drops
19:32 bulletrulz and im pretty sure jordan4ibanez was also working on it
19:32 bulletrulz before u PilzAdam
19:32 MiJyn PilzAdam, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1597
19:32 moltenbot MiJyn's link: Get dropped items on step over (like minecraft) (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
19:32 thexyz oh, that probably was mauvebic
19:32 bulletrulz but PilzAdam most likely took the code from MiJyn
19:32 PilzAdam MiJyn, thats not a standalone mod
19:32 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, that's worse
19:32 PilzAdam its a patch to the engine
19:33 KikaRz (offtopic) jordan4ibanez, if a drop was like a p*nis... if the Mijyn mod sucks up the drops...
19:33 KikaRz xd
19:33 PilzAdam MiJyn, so you are wrong at this point
19:33 bulletrulz PilzAdam, no its a stand alone mod
19:33 MiJyn pilzadam, engine = C++ code
19:33 jordan4ibanez mijyn and pilzadam's mods are completely different
19:34 PilzAdam MiJyn, builtin is part of the engine
19:34 MiJyn PilzAdam, nope, it's part of the script
19:34 KikaRz ... engine.
19:34 PilzAdam define "script"
19:34 MiJyn so yes, it's a standalone mod, since it doesn't patch the engine
19:34 MiJyn PilzAdam, you know what I mean
19:34 jordan4ibanez Lol, this conversation is stupid
19:34 PilzAdam MiJyn, a standalone *mod* is something i put into the mod directory
19:35 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, I was thinking the same... actually, what PilzAdam does is stupid, and him trying to cover it up... wow
19:35 jordan4ibanez Mijyn, why are you trying to start trouble?
19:35 MiJyn PilzAdam, I call a standalone *mod* something that's written in lua
19:35 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, I was simply pointing it out
19:35 PilzAdam I just want to make clear that it is completly wrong when you say I have stolen code
19:35 Jeija Indeed... Everyone agrees that PilzAdam doesn't steal mods. He just improves some; So why is it important if builtin is a mod or the engine???
19:35 bulletrulz PilzAdam, is compleatly wrong!
19:35 jordan4ibanez Pilzadam is very good at coding, or putting together things from different codes, you do the same thing, so why are you getting so flustered?
19:36 bulletrulz PilzAdam, a mod is a engine modifaction mijyn just didnt put it in a folder and give it to u!
19:36 PilzAdam I tried to make mods better
19:36 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, I rarely ever do the same, and when I do, I give credit
19:36 MiJyn even when it's not due
19:36 PilzAdam bulletrulz, no, a mod is an extention of the game content
19:36 jordan4ibanez Yea, but since he codes his own mods, he doesn't need to give credit
19:36 KikaRz RealBadAngel, problem with your mod
19:36 bulletrulz PilzAdam, maybe but u could put all the code MiJyn put it in a folder and it would WORK!
19:37 bulletrulz it could be a standalone
19:37 MiJyn yeah, my goodbye statement didn't seem to be a goodbye statement... anyways, goodbye
19:37 MiJyn left #minetest
19:37 thexyz MiJn: if you want to be credited, release the mod under appropriate license
19:37 thexyz oh, fail
19:37 PilzAdam MiJyn, the carts mod gives credit to thexyz and simple mobs and item_drop are completly written from scratch by me
19:37 jordan4ibanez That guy is turning into a fucking idiot
19:37 Jeija lool he propably had a bad day
19:37 PilzAdam So, i guess its clear now that i dont steal code
19:38 jordan4ibanez Probably, but when you come in here spouting at a modder over opensource intelectual property, that's a little too stupid
19:38 PilzAdam I havent said anything about opensource
19:38 bulletrulz well im guessing minetest is this bad that mijyn is leaving are u serous
19:39 jordan4ibanez Lol
19:39 PilzAdam löl?
19:40 KikaRz lâül?
19:40 KikaRz xd
19:40 PilzAdam he just blames me that I have stolen code and just tried to proof that my code is written by me and noone else
19:40 Jeija But I guess there is a tiny piece of truth in what he said: Maybe, PilzAdam, you could try harder to get your code merged into the original code instead of starting a new topic.
19:40 Jeija No!! I don't want to cause another argument!
19:41 PilzAdam this only applies to item_drop
19:41 KikaRz I guess thexyz will kick/mute/ban someone.
19:41 PilzAdam but we need to talk about such things
19:41 PilzAdam I have learned something today
19:42 frogcrush Whats with all teh fighting in here today?
19:42 thexyz KikaRz: sure
19:42 Jeija oh nooo, not the we-have-all-learned-something-today... ^^
19:42 PilzAdam no, just me
19:42 KikaRz what?
19:43 KikaRz ??
19:43 jordan4ibanez I have a suprise
19:43 KikaRz what jordan4ibanez?
19:43 PilzAdam how to calculate the energie of alpha radiation in an magnetical field
19:43 KikaRz lol
19:43 jin_xi magnets, how do they work
19:43 frogcrush magnetical?
19:44 PilzAdam s/magnetical/magnetic
19:44 KikaRz i learned that: Nobody wants me if i am evil / stupid to everyone.
19:44 KikaRz :P
19:44 jin_xi hey lets make a magnets mod
19:44 KikaRz Yea!
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19:44 PilzAdam jin_xi, no chance until you can set velocity/acceleration of players
19:44 bulletrulz back to what i was sating
19:44 jin_xi hmm, like electro magnetic pistons or something
19:45 Jeija Link a magneticfield entity to the player I guess?
19:45 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, u turned into a idoit when u switched to windows
19:45 jordan4ibanez I'm on linux now you little buttcheek, that deserves an ignore
19:45 PilzAdam todays topic: blame your favourite modder
19:45 jordan4ibanez http://i.imgur.com/WuPZV.png
19:45 bulletrulz lol
19:46 bulletrulz but u were on windows for a while so it made u a idoit
19:46 KikaRz who knows fixing this bug of unified inventory?
19:46 KikaRz 19:45:36: ERROR[main]: cannot open /home/joao/minetest/bin/../games/minetest_game/mods/unified_inventory/textures/init.lua: No such file or directory
19:46 jordan4ibanez Lol, i'm going to create a skin for celeron55 :P
19:46 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, you can "steal" the code from simple_mobs to make them move better
19:46 jordan4ibanez Yay!
19:46 Jeija I'm curious, jordan4ibanez: http://wiki.minetest.com/images/d/d5/C55.jpg
19:47 PilzAdam !wik celeron55
19:47 Minetest-tan "celeron55 leads quite a private life and so not much is known about his early life." - http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Celeron55
19:47 KikaRz Jordan4Ibanez: Where is steve and herobrine?
19:48 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez should have never switched to windows
19:48 jordan4ibanez I have to make a violent npc first
19:48 KikaRz yea...
19:48 KikaRz you traitor :'(
19:48 Jordach can they spawn one new npc once a day?
19:49 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, part 2? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07vlgded6Oo
19:49 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Minetest Let's Play - Part 1 - YouTube
19:49 KikaRz sry, cant watch
19:49 KikaRz no speakers.
19:50 jordan4ibanez Oh, since tomorrow is wednesday i can do that
19:50 thexyz PilzAdam: can't you just make invisible entity and attach player to it?
19:50 PilzAdam for what?
19:50 thexyz (23:43:57) PilzAdam: jin_xi, no chance until you can set velocity/acceleration of players
19:50 PilzAdam this would cause strange lags in moving
19:50 PilzAdam like the boats mod
19:51 KikaRz love boats mod.
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19:51 PilzAdam singleplayer would work somehow, but servers....
19:51 PilzAdam btw: boats mod; something I have stolen from jordan4ibanez :-p
19:51 KikaRz thexyz, why did you +q yourself?
19:52 thexyz KikaRz: just to show how wrong this channel is
19:52 PilzAdam to rage?
19:53 PilzAdam gtg in 8 mins.
19:53 Jeija left #minetest
19:53 KikaRz bye :)
19:53 PilzAdam "Its the final countdown dadadada dadadada..."
19:54 PilzAdam ok, I guess I just stop this
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19:54 Penguin Hey
19:55 Penguin hi moltonbot
19:55 PilzAdam bye
19:56 * Penguin [5adf93f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.223.147.246] has quit #minetest
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19:56 MiJyn just one quick thing
19:56 MiJyn before I completely leave the MT community I want to do one thing
19:56 MiJyn finish what I was working on lol
19:56 KikaRz ...
19:57 MiJyn left #minetest
19:57 NakedFury why would you leave?
19:57 Penguin Lol
19:57 KikaRz NakedFury, discussion with PilzAdam
19:57 KikaRz and wars.
19:57 MiJyn joined #minetest
19:57 Penguin any 0.4.4 servers
19:57 MiJyn dang, I hate this IRC client :(
19:57 thexyz Penguin: minetest.ru:12345
19:58 thexyz !up minetest.ru 12345
19:58 Penguin is it good
19:58 rubenwardy joined #minetest
19:58 KikaRz thexyz, the same as we playedi n?
19:58 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.ru:12345 UP
19:58 marktraceur thexyz: Any thoughts on the two situations I brought forward?
19:58 MiJyn I've already tol myself I would leave a rather long time ago (back in august or september, not sure)
19:58 thexyz (23:22:42) thexyz: i don't think it deserved kick/ban/mute
19:58 KikaRz tnt mod is too laggy
19:59 marktraceur thexyz: Noted, thanks.
19:59 MiJyn Will update my nether mod, completely copyright it, and then leave :)
20:00 Jordach the nether mod is shit
20:00 Penguin ikr
20:00 MiJyn lol it is
20:00 MiJyn and that's why I'll update it
20:00 MiJyn well, I'm already in progress
20:00 MiJyn it uses it's own C library
20:00 Penguin it bugs like F**k
20:00 MiJyn so it will generate super fast
20:00 Jordach BULLSHIT ALERT
20:01 MiJyn and so that it will stop minetest from bugging it lol
20:01 Jordach LUA CANT CALL C
20:01 MiJyn Jordach, yes it can
20:01 MiJyn look at the IRC mod
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20:01 MiJyn it's a C library
20:01 rubenwardy left #minetest
20:01 MiJyn I mean, it's using a c library
20:01 Jordach oh yes, a FORK OF MINETEST FOR SUPORT
20:01 Jordach +P
20:01 Penguin lol
20:01 MiJyn Jordach, no, it uses it's own C library
20:02 MiJyn okay, whatever, you obviously can't understand. You will once I release it
20:02 MiJyn it uses Solaris 11's API
20:02 MiJyn *System API
20:02 MiJyn it's seriously awesome
20:02 Muadtralk the words solaris just kinda threw me off how can you use solaris and awesome in the same context?
20:02 KikaRz stop flamming
20:02 KikaRz hi Muadtralk
20:03 Muadtralk ello
20:03 MiJyn Muadtralk, you never used it did you?
20:03 MiJyn you never used it's APIs, right?
20:03 Muadtralk i just came in
20:03 MiJyn if you did, you would know that I'm talking about
20:03 Muadtralk i have no idea whats going on
20:04 Muadtralk i just decided making a comment like that may reveal some answers to the topic of discussion today
20:04 MiJyn it's alright, most people can't accept the fact that I'm leaving minetest for good :)
20:04 Muadtralk i have nothing against solaris
20:04 KikaRz Muadtralk, your server still on?
20:04 Muadtralk should be
20:04 KikaRz version=?
20:04 Muadtralk whats this about you leaving lkjoel?
20:05 Muadtralk latest dev
20:05 Muadtralk unless ive forgotten to update
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20:05 MiJyn Muadtralk, I decided to do that a few months ago, but I delayed it because I needed to finish my mod first (never like to leave things unfinished)
20:05 KikaRz 0.4.4 its already there.
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20:05 MiJyn hi bulletrulz
20:05 bulletrulz hi MiJyn
20:06 NakedFury you should never leave
20:06 bulletrulz MiJyn,  has discussed with me
20:06 jordan4ibanez http://i.imgur.com/WecUx.png
20:06 jordan4ibanez c55 kik
20:06 jordan4ibanez lol*
20:06 Muadtralk tis true lkjoel please dont leave
20:07 KikaRz lol
20:07 bulletrulz Ikjoel will leave
20:07 MiJyn NakedFury, I've had enough of this whole community, and this whole game
20:07 bulletrulz mijyn was a good member
20:07 bulletrulz and i am leaving too
20:07 NakedFury take a break but dont permanently leave
20:07 * Muadtralk dies a little inside
20:07 Muadtralk why is everyone leaving!
20:07 KikaRz Many reasons.
20:07 NakedFury I die a little inside too
20:07 MiJyn Idk, I just know  that I don't care about this game anymore neither do I care about this community. It's a dying game, and I don't want to be part of it's death
20:07 bulletrulz because minetest IS SHIT
20:08 KikaRz bulletrulz, this is in dev.
20:08 NakedFury its not dying, its more alive than ever
20:08 KikaRz if you like minecraft so much, just Alt + F4 and go! be free!
20:08 MiJyn seriously, it's a dying game, and everyone knows that
20:08 bulletrulz minetest is dying i might make a fork of it sometime
20:08 bulletrulz but im leaving it
20:08 KikaRz for me, minetest will never die.
20:08 KikaRz bulletrulz, no its not.
20:08 bulletrulz so is MiJyn
20:08 bulletrulz and so was jordan4ibanez
20:08 KikaRz its alive than ever
20:09 KikaRz now, going to dinner (2)
20:09 Muadtralk so what if its dying?
20:09 Muadtralk I play most games to death
20:09 KikaRz in 10 days, the world finishes.
20:09 KikaRz so, we all die
20:09 KikaRz :D
20:09 Muadtralk no....
20:09 MiJyn <MiJyn> minetest has been a part of me doing bad actions
20:09 bulletrulz LOL
20:09 MiJyn [13:09] <MiJyn> being frustrated with people
20:09 MiJyn [13:09] <MiJyn> I don't want to be like that anymore
20:09 MiJyn It's for me and for the others
20:09 bulletrulz that is mijyn talking to me
20:09 KikaRz well, brb
20:09 Muadtralk ahh....
20:10 MiJyn I guess mientest will be better off without me :)
20:10 MiJyn *minetest
20:10 NakedFury it wont'
20:10 MiJyn but I want  to first finish my mod :D
20:10 NakedFury every member that leaves is always missed
20:10 MiJyn random dungeon generator for the nether (it's awesome :D)
20:10 Muadtralk well lkjoel if you could please contact.... I belive it was your brother? he hasnt emailed me back in some time
20:10 MiJyn NakedFury, but it's ok, people will forget afterwards :)
20:11 NakedFury I wont
20:11 MiJyn Muadtralk, oh right, yeah, I thought he was waiting for you
20:11 NakedFury cornernote and now you?
20:11 thexyz MiJyn: k, bye
20:11 Muadtralk let me review the last email i sent him
20:11 MiJyn NakedFury, yep. Once I saw all of these great members of MT leave, my decision was only confirmed
20:11 bulletrulz Minetest Rest In Peace D:
20:12 MiJyn Muadtralk, ok, it might be his fault, no idea. WIll talk to him ASAP :)
20:12 MiJyn *will
20:12 Muadtralk erf i deleted it
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20:13 bulletrulz minetest 2010-2012 one of the best and worst games
20:13 MiJyn yes
20:13 MiJyn it is
20:14 thexyz i believe that only weak people leave
20:14 bulletrulz 0.2.0 was good
20:14 bulletrulz 0.3.1 awesome
20:14 NakedFury MiJyn just take an extended vacation
20:14 thexyz though it's only my personal mind
20:14 bulletrulz 0.4 laggy and horrible
20:14 MiJyn thexyz, I thought so too, until I realized the horrible community, and how fast people leave it
20:15 Jordach MiJyn - i had to take a damn break
20:15 Jordach try it for a few days. see how you feel afterwards
20:15 MiJyn Jordach, yeah, and you returned
20:15 thexyz MiJyn: why is it horrible?
20:16 thexyz it can only be called horrible because of those leaving attention whores... right?
20:17 Muadtralk could you list those persons in the community you feel heavily contributed to your decision?
20:17 jordan4ibanez This game is better than minecraft, everyone shut the flasdjsakdw0999 up and play it
20:17 MiJyn thexyz, nope, it's because of the leaders... such as celeron55, vanessae, even you
20:18 jordan4ibanez I peed myself when i realised that the game had support for hats
20:18 MiJyn Muadtralk, it's not individual people, I was already determined to leave it, and then when other people left it (people who I respected), it just strengthened my decision
20:18 bulletrulz minecraft is horrible too
20:19 jordan4ibanez thexyz, is mijyn still talking? why don't you just mute him?
20:19 Muadtralk anyone give a damn about mythruna?
20:19 thexyz jordan4ibanez: why should i?
20:19 jordan4ibanez Because he is not worth your time
20:19 MiJyn Muadtralk, hey, you should see my blog post
20:19 KikaRz back
20:20 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, you realize that I coded mientest++ and blockplanet neaerly all by myself, and you just sat back and did nothing?
20:20 thexyz jordan4ibanez: he didn't violated any rules, why should he be muted?
20:20 MiJyn but yet you took the credit ofr it?
20:20 MiJyn and I was ok with it?
20:20 jordan4ibanez oh, i meant ignore not mute
20:20 KikaRz fuck
20:20 KikaRz my minetest cant be closed
20:20 bulletrulz wow jordan4ibanez
20:20 thexyz jordan4ibanez: i can't miss any part of discussion
20:20 KikaRz 20:06:37: INFO: sigint_handler(): Ctrl-C pressed, shutting down.
20:21 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, you realize that the reason you are ignoring me is that you know I'm saying the truth
20:21 KikaRz maybe i need to open another terminal to killall minetest
20:21 MiJyn you know what you have done
20:21 MiJyn heck, you know how old I am
20:21 KikaRz you have 13 years old
20:21 MiJyn 14
20:21 KikaRz or that
20:22 MiJyn he's 19
20:22 MiJyn he treated me horribly
20:22 MiJyn and yet he recieved all the credit
20:22 Jordach MiJyn - name a commit that made it to master
20:22 bulletrulz i gave mijyn the credit
20:22 Jordach thats yours.
20:23 MiJyn Jordach, I'm talking about blockplanet and minetest++
20:24 thexyz 14?
20:24 Jordach <MiJyn> Jordach, I'm talking about blockplanet and minetest++ - no one used them because they were incompatible with minetest master
20:24 MiJyn c55 was too stubborn to let me commit to minetest
20:24 MiJyn thexyz, yes
20:24 MiJyn http://lkubuntu.wordpress.com/2012/12/08/im-not-22/
20:25 jordan4ibanez you people are still talking about minetest++? that was almost a year ago, it's dead, leave it
20:25 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, that was about 6 mothes ago
20:26 thexyz oh, well, i'll just shut up then
20:26 MiJyn oh yeah, and this, if anyone cares
20:26 MiJyn http://lkubuntu.wordpress.com/2012/02/25/howto-install-free-alternatives-to-minecraft/
20:26 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, you are just trying to hide waht you did
20:27 MiJyn *what
20:28 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, brought me to linux but now now im just dont like him
20:28 Muadtralk i was hoping minetest++ would live on
20:28 MiJyn seriously, why doesn't anyone realize what this community has become?
20:28 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez was cool when stormrider was here
20:29 bulletrulz idk 200 people it was cool 3000 people its bull shit
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20:29 MiJyn Even Jordach did horrible things to me... he was the one who wanted to start the "grief minetest" project, a project to stop minetest and put C55 down
20:30 MiJyn I then agreed to help, but that was because we were friends at the time
20:30 MiJyn do you remember when he blamed me for starting it?
20:30 Jordach <MiJyn> I then agreed to help, but that was because we were friends at the time - that was an art of the troll
20:30 MiJyn seriously, you guys know what you did
20:31 bulletrulz yep they do
20:31 MiJyn Same for c55, he blamed me of doing things that I didn't do
20:32 bulletrulz c55 Dont get me started on him
20:32 MiJyn lol
20:33 bulletrulz c55 Is not the maker of minetest!
20:33 bulletrulz c55 is a person who takes credit
20:33 Muadtralk hmmm?
20:33 bulletrulz c55 is a douchbag
20:33 Muadtralk earliest commits date back to c55 bucko
20:33 bulletrulz Muadtralk, yeah he did that but from then on HE DID NOTHING!
20:33 MiJyn seriously, some of you were great, and that's awesome, I'm not blaming you, but really, think of what the rest have done. They don't want to admit it
20:34 MiJyn Yet, they are still "leaders" in minetest, even when they have done horrible things to others in MT
20:34 bulletrulz i can admit stuff
20:34 bulletrulz except i cant
20:34 bulletrulz cause i have not done anything
20:34 Jordach <bulletrulz> c55 is a person who takes credit -  you seem to be easily misled
20:35 bulletrulz Wow
20:35 bulletrulz lol
20:35 Jordach the internet it not to be believed
20:35 MiJyn Jordach, wow
20:35 MiJyn wow, wow wow
20:35 bulletrulz Jordach, r u dumb
20:35 MiJyn you just used your argument against yourself
20:35 bulletrulz WHAT HAS C55 DO !
20:35 bulletrulz DID
20:35 MiJyn @bulletrulz, he has done a lot, but that was because Kahrl helped him
20:36 MiJyn without kahrl, this game would have been dead
20:36 Jordach <MiJyn> you just used your argument against yourself - i'm diagnosed with partial insanity and chronic depression
20:36 MiJyn Jordach, yep
20:36 MiJyn allright
20:36 MiJyn and autism
20:36 MiJyn your poitn is....?
20:36 MiJyn *point
20:36 MiJyn I know what that is, I've had that too
20:36 NakedFury you guys cant blame the "bad" community the game has when all you do is badmouth and talk crap about each other
20:36 MiJyn before, but got cured :D
20:36 bulletrulz too be honest he did alot till Modding was avvalbe then he just took peoples mods
20:37 Jordach bulletrulz - c55wool works with my wool
20:37 MiJyn NakedFury, I'm just tring to make the community aware of what they have done
20:37 MiJyn I hid behind before
20:37 bulletrulz He takes peoples Mods and renames em
20:38 bulletrulz mijyn has done alot
20:38 MiJyn but now, since I'm leaving, I want to let everyone know what the community has done to me. I hope that it can become better, I really do!
20:38 Jordach bulletrulz - cw
20:38 bulletrulz i have done nothing
20:38 bulletrulz jordach idk
20:38 bulletrulz EVERYBODY HERE IS MINETEST NOW!
20:38 Jordach vessels vanessa gladly subbmitted
20:38 bulletrulz minetest will be the way u act
20:39 MiJyn yeah, c55 does get influenced by the community
20:39 MiJyn he is not strong, that's why he acts that way
20:39 Jordach MiJyn - several people recently have been giving push rights
20:39 bulletrulz c55 is nothing without u guys
20:39 bulletrulz NOTHING!
20:39 bulletrulz This is not his game
20:39 Jordach to celeron55/master
20:39 bulletrulz This IS OURS!
20:39 Jordach and in goes the ignore
20:39 bulletrulz idc!
20:40 MiJyn Jordach, yeah, I know, but I was so disgusted by the code and the community a long time before he gave them
20:40 bulletrulz ingore me go ahead
20:40 bulletrulz XD
20:40 bulletrulz IDC
20:40 MiJyn I realize I have done some things wrong, exploding too much, but seriously...
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20:41 MiJyn And I'm sorry for anything that I've done wrong, I really am!
20:41 bulletrulz all said in done hes leaving im leaving
20:41 bulletrulz more people will leave
20:41 MiJyn But please, be nice to everyone
20:41 MiJyn If nothing happens, I would have at least done my job
20:42 MiJyn done the best I could to improve this community and this game
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20:42 moltenbot Jave27's link: Blogs | Quassel IRC
20:42 thexyz MiJyn: bye, again
20:42 MiJyn I've been patient for a long time, but now I'm finished with this
20:42 MiJyn thexyz, thanks lol
20:43 MiJyn I think I've done enough. I've stated my point, and now I'll let the community decide what will happen.
20:43 bulletrulz Good Bye Everyone lol
20:43 bulletrulz :D
20:43 bulletrulz good bye mijyn
20:43 bulletrulz what wait
20:43 MiJyn ?
20:43 bulletrulz nvm ill still talk to u
20:43 MiJyn ok
20:43 KikaRz loool
20:44 KikaRz bye MiJyn
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20:44 KikaRz see you in heaven / hell
20:44 MiJyn I _will_ finish the nether mod as my goodbye "present" lol
20:44 KikaRz we are going to die in 21 Dec.
20:44 bulletrulz LOL
20:44 KikaRz so... 10 days left
20:44 MiJyn left #minetest
20:44 bulletrulz LOL
20:44 bulletrulz KikaRz, NO 23 decemeber 24
20:44 * sema4 blinks
20:44 KikaRz no
20:44 KikaRz 21 Dec will start
20:44 KikaRz 24 will finish.
20:45 thexyz oh, he left
20:45 KikaRz PilzAdam, your carts mod its too laggy
20:45 thexyz KikaRz: try its "attachment" branch
20:45 KikaRz or that
20:45 KikaRz when i right click it...
20:45 KikaRz it goes without me
20:45 KikaRz let me test the boats mod
20:48 KikaRz boat is a bit better.
20:58 * marktraceur asks if there's any good reason for him to be in this channel
20:58 KikaRz marktraceur, so, you will accept me in your unignored list?
20:58 Muadtralk in case someone says something intelligent?
20:59 marktraceur KikaRz: I've unignored you, yes
20:59 marktraceur Muadtralk: I'm sure it's a possibility, but why am *I* here?
21:00 Muadtralk to breathe on this earth then eventually die an agonizing death and decompose turing into soil which the ungrateful spawn of the future will walk upon?
21:00 Muadtralk turning*
21:01 marktraceur Muadtralk: s/here/in this channel/ you cheeky bastart
21:01 marktraceur s/bastart/bastard/
21:02 Muadtralk since when?
21:02 KikaRz Worst moment to die: When the scientists discover a big metal heart that lets you live forever. Costs 5 € or 2$
21:02 KikaRz XD
21:02 marktraceur Muadtralk: What do you mean, since when?
21:03 Muadtralk when did s/turing/turning catch on?
21:03 sema4 in the 90's
21:03 marktraceur Muadtralk: Since regexes and IRC existed?
21:03 Muadtralk :P
21:03 marktraceur No ideas as to why I should be in this channel?
21:04 Muadtralk to keep peace?
21:04 Muadtralk to protect the innocent?
21:04 NakedFury for intelligent discussions about minetest, when they do happen. and to talk about mods
21:04 sema4 marktraceur, i am wondering the same, the last 2 days i have seen plenty of drivel, not much sensible minetest discussion
21:04 marktraceur NakedFury: #minetest-mods
21:05 marktraceur NakedFury: I haven't seen much of the former
21:05 Muadtralk and #minetest-dev for important things
21:06 Muadtralk and isn't there an even  higher level?
21:06 marktraceur *shrug* I don't know about that, I'm not an active engine developer
21:07 Muadtralk wait..... #minetest-delta then #minetest-dev is for the elite
21:07 marktraceur Ha, elite.
21:08 Muadtralk thats what it says on the minetest-delta topic (04:06:31 PM) The topic for #minetest-delta is: minetest-delta ? Minetest developers | Logs: http://2pktfkt.de/irc/minetest-delta/ | http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php?id=patchsets | http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php?id=dev_index | Elite development channel: #minetest-dev
21:08 moltenbot Muadtralk's link: Logs
21:08 marktraceur Wow.
21:08 * marktraceur is becoming very convinced that volunteers aren't wanted
21:09 Muadtralk its a hierarchy
21:09 Muadtralk #minetest then #minetest-mods then #minetest-delta then #minetest-dev if you are worthy
21:09 marktraceur Pff.
21:10 marktraceur That about settles it, -delta is useless to me
21:11 marktraceur But in here? What's the benefit to being in this channel?
21:11 Muadtralk dealing with the utter nonsense and new players
21:11 Muadtralk otherwise there is no reason
21:11 marktraceur Hm.
21:11 marktraceur Well, thanks for the help
21:12 marktraceur I'll stick around for ~24 hours to see if anyone else has ideas
21:12 NakedFury to chat about minetest with other users
21:12 NakedFury to ignore when conversation is not about minetest
21:13 thexyz marktraceur: this is the only minetest-related semi-active channel
21:13 NakedFury talk about ideas or works in progress you are doing, either in a mod or the source
21:13 thexyz -mods and -delta are both dead
21:13 marktraceur NakedFury: I don't work on the source (and any work I did would be cast aside anyway), and mods are in -mods
21:14 marktraceur thexyz: Activity has become synonymous with jackassery in many instances
21:15 NakedFury I dont think it would be cast aside if you did something. example of somethings that would not be cast aside include putting the config stuff into the games proper menu tab, adding ingame menu screen, bug fixes to the engine, better network stuff(apparently current one is not too good)
21:16 Muadtralk apparently the maximum amount of users in #minetest-mods at one time was 12
21:16 marktraceur NakedFury: I've contributed before, the contribution was ultimately deprecated and my input as a contributor was ignored.
21:16 Muadtralk so i would assume that its dead
21:16 marktraceur NakedFury: Honestly I'm surprised I'm still in the credits.
21:17 KikaRz Nooo
21:17 KikaRz my world X_X'
21:17 cy1 marktraceur: what did you contribute?
21:17 NakedFury I think minetest source contributions should not be ignored or pushed aside
21:17 Muadtralk you made saplings marktraceur didnt you?
21:17 marktraceur Muadtralk: And ladders, yes.
21:17 Muadtralk thanks for that
21:17 Muadtralk those are two very important things
21:18 marktraceur Muadtralk: If I thought I wasn't appreciated by users I'd be saying different things :) it's the project organization that's the issue here.
21:18 KikaRz i guess im going to lose all world
21:18 KikaRz it will be corrupted :'(
21:18 KikaRz my game freezed.
21:18 Muadtralk eh
21:18 Muadtralk just restart the client
21:18 KikaRz ...
21:18 KikaRz how?
21:18 Muadtralk it may still be alive
21:18 KikaRz i was running the terminal
21:19 Muadtralk then restart the command?
21:19 Muadtralk or figure out what went wrong?
21:19 KikaRz game froze
21:19 KikaRz ctrl + c didnt worked
21:19 Muadtralk that happens more often then you think
21:20 KikaRz Yaaay!
21:20 KikaRz its not corrupted!
21:20 celeron55 lol, more minetest drama in here
21:20 ssstrandberg left #minetest
21:20 marktraceur celeron55: Well it's not like it's without cause.
21:21 KikaRz celeron55, you must get that freezes out...
21:21 KikaRz the game is running a bit bad.
21:21 Muadtralk eh, i havent understood the drama for awhile
21:21 celeron55 marktraceur: the current situation is that this is the general discussion channel, and #minetest-dev is the channel that is used for eg. upstream merge discussions and engine stuff
21:21 celeron55 marktraceur: it's hard to set up some kind of a midway channel that would not die
21:22 marktraceur celeron55: Seems odd that you'd separate -dev and -delta to me
21:22 Muadtralk and KikaRz usually its an issue with the computer running minetest or certain mods your running. at least in my case with those crashes anyway
21:22 celeron55 marktraceur: what does that mean?
21:22 marktraceur celeron55: And generally that the project has very little organization
21:22 KikaRz Muadtralk, im without mods
21:22 KikaRz just with more blocks and boats
21:23 Muadtralk so its the computer
21:23 Muadtralk and is boats stable?
21:23 celeron55 marktraceur: ...and?
21:23 Muadtralk i havent used it yet
21:23 KikaRz yep
21:23 KikaRz a bit
21:23 celeron55 marktraceur: you can always complain, but doing something to make things better is rarer
21:23 marktraceur celeron55: Exactly--the project is disorganized, and that's not changing, and that's troublesome.
21:23 Muadtralk the words abit after yep just scared me abit
21:24 marktraceur celeron55: If I thought you were receptive to any change, I might try to organize something. You've done nothing to indicate that you even want new contributors.
21:24 celeron55 eh, wtf
21:24 Muadtralk did you do a /clearobjects or something? generally my game freezes when i do that
21:24 marktraceur (to me, maybe I've missed it)
21:24 celeron55 i guess you just haven't been looking or intentionally want to see things like that
21:26 marktraceur celeron55: Well, I'm sorry that I've misunderstood. I'd suggest first step to be moving from Doku to MediaWiki, possibly consolidating the user and dev wikis. Then a doc sprint would be useful. I'd love to organize both in one fell swoop, sometime mid-January perhaps.
21:26 KikaRz Muadtralk, no
21:26 celeron55 marktraceur: are you saying you just need a mediawiki and a permission to stuff all dev and user stuff in one?
21:27 marktraceur celeron55: There already is a mediawiki, and it's editable. I'll contact the wiki admin. I wanted your support because you know the code, and very few other people can say that (chicken and egg, with the docs shortage)
21:27 celeron55 i personally hate mediawiki though... i wonder if there are better alternatives
21:28 celeron55 the minetest.com wiki?
21:28 marktraceur Whatever is linked to from minetest.net as "Wiki"
21:29 celeron55 i'm actually always quite uncertain about it, because the admins of it don't (afaik) hang around in the community really at all
21:29 marktraceur celeron55: That's not helpful then, yeah. Maybe a new instance at wiki.minetest.net ?
21:31 marktraceur celeron55: I don't know about alternatives, though. MediaWiki is nice and standard, and friendly...not to mention good for community editing
21:33 marktraceur celeron55: I suppose we could play it cool and have a git repository for docs (or just a subdirectory of the engine), then build the docs into an HTML site
21:33 sema4 what is the problem with the current wiki?  is it locked from editing?
21:34 marktraceur sema4: It's only for users, the devwiki is a little low-tech-seeming, and generally the developer docs are sub-par
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21:37 celeron55 as i would probably be the maintainer of the hosting of the wiki, i don't really want more dodgy php stuff
21:37 marktraceur Heh.
21:37 celeron55 i wonder if this is good: https://github.com/benjaoming/django-wiki
21:37 moltenbot celeron55's link: benjaoming/django-wiki ? GitHub
21:37 VanessaE good evening all.
21:37 sema4 hi VanessaE
21:38 celeron55 i am going to switch the main site to django when i have a bit of time
21:38 marktraceur celeron55: Looks like replacing dodgy PHP stuff with dodgy Python stuff
21:38 celeron55 django is pretty solid
21:38 marktraceur celeron55: It's not like you can claim mediawiki isn't stable and rather good software :)
21:38 celeron55 django is a web framework, php is a programming language
21:39 marktraceur (he says, in a room with most of the people who write mediawiki)
21:39 celeron55 implementing all on one framework makes a more solid site than using multiple frameworks on top of php
21:39 frogcrush I could write a sys up in asp.net :D
21:39 celeron55 mediawiki has it's own, as does punbb, as does wordpress, as does... ehm, everything
21:40 celeron55 also, php has a culture of bad programming, which is baaaaaaaad on a public site
21:40 marktraceur *nod*
21:41 marktraceur celeron55: FWIW, we have some crackerjack security people, and a lot of sticklers for code quality. But it's up to you ultimately.
21:41 celeron55 also, i want to support better technologies
21:41 celeron55 but what i am asking is if eg. django-wiki has it's user side on par with anything
21:42 celeron55 there is some kind of a test wiki here http://wiki.overtag.dk/
21:42 moltenbot celeron55's link: Start page -- django-\/\/  i K |
21:42 celeron55 if mediawiki offers something that is needed that nothing else provides, then it obviously is the only choice
21:43 jordan4ibanez celeron55, how does an entity set it's light value?
21:44 thexyz mediawiki is the most powerful one, i guess
21:45 thexyz though its syntax is far from best
21:45 thexyz especially those {{{{{{{{{{{ and }}}}}}}}
21:45 celeron55 i don't want the most powerful one; i want the one which is powerful enough and which will be easy to maintain for me
21:45 celeron55 and i am always looking for chances of learning stuff when doing open source things
21:46 thexyz btw, celeron55, i think it'll be fine now to replace current api.minetest.net with the new one http://wapi.minetest.ru/Main_Page
21:46 moltenbot thexyz's link: Minetest API
21:47 celeron55 thexyz: if it has the same content, feel free to
21:47 sema4 joined #minetest
21:47 thexyz ok, i'll switch it later
21:48 thexyz (actually, api.minetest.net currently contains many mistakes)
21:49 thexyz oh, i forgot to move article about naming
21:49 thexyz and the getting starting one
21:49 thexyz wtf? http://wiki.overtag.dk/bASWcZqgYIvq/
21:49 moltenbot thexyz's link: AFLWPDjPHfrJIKcTxQD -- django-\/\/  i K |
21:50 jordan4ibanez lmfao
21:50 celeron55 it's freely editable 8)
21:50 jordan4ibanez and c55 you're in my mod http://i.imgur.com/WecUx.png xD
21:50 thexyz does it have any anti-spam?
21:51 celeron55 what kind of?
21:51 thexyz is it ok for me to close this topic? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4038
21:51 moltenbot thexyz's link: Leaving (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums
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21:53 thexyz celeron55: umm?
21:53 shadowjay1 joined #minetest
21:53 NakedFury make a leaving are in the forums so posts can rot there
21:54 celeron55 i wonder why so many people have such a large urge to shout about their quittings
21:54 cisoun I wonder why you still use CTP9.
21:54 thexyz attention-whoring
21:54 celeron55 i guess it's because they haven't paid for minetest
21:54 youlysses Just tried minetest for the first time after a-long break from minecraft (turned full/hardcore faif-advocate) and I'm super impressed. :-3
21:55 celeron55 so they don't feel any obligation to sound like they have made the right buying decision 8)
21:55 NakedFury you like it youlysses?
21:55 thexyz >see, i'm leaving, pity me!
21:56 jin_xi lol
21:56 celeron55 anyway, just close it
21:56 marktraceur thexyz: FYI, the template nonsense is getting replaced with Lua
21:56 marktraceur thexyz: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto
21:56 moltenbot marktraceur's link: Extension:Scribunto - MediaWiki
21:56 celeron55 it's not a place for constructive critcism or anything anyway
21:57 jordan4ibanez >i wonder why so many people have such a large urge to shout about their quittings
21:57 jordan4ibanez attention whoring
21:57 youlysses NakedFury: I do!
21:57 marktraceur thexyz: Might be useful to use that on a Minetest wiki, you might even be able to set it up so you can load a mod script and auto-detect the register_node and register_craft stuff
21:57 celeron55 maybe i'll delegate the marktraceur's wiki stuff to thexyz
21:58 celeron55 8)
21:58 celeron55 -the
21:58 marktraceur celeron55: FWIW I'm shouting about the state of the community, and me quitting would just be a result of that concern.
21:58 thexyz api documentation as a wiki would be a nice start
21:59 celeron55 i highly respect people who actually do something to make the community a better place
21:59 thexyz marktraceur: are there any usage examples?
21:59 marktraceur thexyz: For Lua? Sure, mw.org is using it now.
22:00 thexyz marktraceur: can you provide some links? just to see how can it be used
22:00 marktraceur thexyz: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Module:Compare
22:00 moltenbot marktraceur's link: Module:Compare - MediaWiki
22:00 markveidemanis anyone any good at interior design?
22:00 youlysses What's "use"? That to place a block?
22:01 marktraceur youlysses: As in, the key binding for 'use'?
22:01 marktraceur youlysses: It's normally used for going down ladders/ropes or going down in free-move
22:01 celeron55 actually the default is to use shift for going down
22:02 * youlysses is using dvorak, and for some reason his right track pad doesn't seem to be working in-game nor does there seem to be an option to place blokcs in keybindings.
22:02 marktraceur Oh, hm, that changed then
22:02 celeron55 but there is an option for using that key for going down things
22:02 thexyz celeron55: why was it changed, btw?
22:02 celeron55 many people seemed to want it
22:03 marktraceur youlysses: I've had trouble with dvorak on GNU/Linux as well. I usually re-bind crouch to left ctrl, the direction keys to ,aoe, and use to .
22:03 celeron55 and it's more intuitive to newcomers anyway
22:03 sema4 personally i prefer the separation of  down vs use
22:03 youlysses marktraceur: Yup, dvorak here too. :-P
22:04 markveidemanis interion architect?
22:04 markveidemanis #r
22:04 marktraceur (I'm not psychic, youlysses joins us from the LibrePlanet community, based around FSF support)
22:04 thexyz marktraceur: i don't understand how can that replace templates
22:05 celeron55 thexyz: django has an akismet app thingy whatever that can be somehow easily added to almost anything i believe
22:05 celeron55 kind of hard to find direct examples of doing that with the wiki
22:05 marktraceur thexyz: Not all templates--stuff like frequently-typed phrases could still be useful (like {{cn}} for the citation needed stuff), but something complicated like "List 40 like things" could be much better in a module.
22:06 sema4 markveidemanis: i'll bite; what do you need?
22:06 thexyz this one is quite good http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Widgets, but it lacks ability to include widgets on Widget: page
22:06 markveidemanis look at my screenshots and plz give recommendations of what to put on inside
22:06 markveidemanis oh whoops i broke the internet:)
22:06 marktraceur thexyz: Well, and it's not for internal use, it's for including external content mostly
22:11 thexyz how about "i"
22:11 thexyz "i'm leaving" post = ban?
22:12 marktraceur thexyz: For what purpose?
22:12 celeron55 anwyay, i'm completely fine with thexyz hosting a complete wiki for minetest and will allocate wiki.minetest.net for that if it happens
22:13 marktraceur celeron55: Mid-January documentation sprint sound like fun, if we can get a wiki up and running by then?
22:13 celeron55 maybe we should set up like monthly publications of wiki and forum data for extra redundancy
22:13 OldCoder Sure
22:13 thexyz it's already "up-and-running"
22:14 marktraceur January 19th has a nice ring to it
22:14 OldCoder Didn't cornernote give back his API docs?
22:14 OldCoder thexyz, BTW can we revive NekoGloop threads and reassign owner?
22:14 OldCoder Excuse me; I was napping briefly
22:14 thexyz OldCoder: ask c55 for reassigning
22:14 celeron55 punbb makes that quite painful
22:14 celeron55 so if at all possible, i'd rather not
22:15 thexyz ok, then let's just repost them
22:15 * youlysses is easily impressed. He was so glad to see that objects in each slot in your invetory can now hold 99 units. :-3
22:15 celeron55 i will never ever again use forum software that does not have editing history of topics
22:15 celeron55 i don't even know if any like that exist but then i'll just use nothing...
22:15 thexyz are there any which support this feature?
22:16 OldCoder thexyz, celeron55, fair enough. May I have the raw data? I'll post it on a mirror that I maintain myself. NekoThreads I mean.
22:16 OldCoder Safe from deletion
22:17 thexyz oh, well, there's extension for vbulletin which is capable of that
22:17 celeron55 to get the messages, i need to import a database dump to my test punbb server and either i or somebody else has to browse up the threads from there and copy-paste by hand
22:17 celeron55 it's like hell but worse
22:17 OldCoder celeron55, I might do that
22:17 thexyz the only problem is that vbulletin costs something like 200$
22:17 OldCoder Using Perl
22:17 celeron55 thexyz: an unlimited license?
22:17 OldCoder celeron55, would you be able to provide me with a database dump?
22:18 thexyz celeron55: no way
22:18 celeron55 OldCoder: no because my dumps contain passwords and all that, i need to make a script to make limited ones some day
22:18 OldCoder Ah!
22:18 NakedFury youlysses: the max is 99 but if you use the commands /giveme item -99 it will give something like 65k total items. this new stack cant take more of the same when mining more, it only goes down
22:18 OldCoder celeron55, O.K. If you repost NekoThreads I will capture them from outside. How about that?
22:18 thexyz oh, this extension is only compatible with VB 3.something which is no longer sold
22:19 celeron55 OldCoder: tomorrow
22:19 OldCoder All right
22:19 frogcrush celeron55: Do you need a wiki platform?
22:20 marktraceur frogcrush: Thoughts are welcome
22:20 celeron55 anyone want to implement post editing history to punbb? 8)
22:20 celeron55 yummy php!
22:20 thexyz well, as for now, the most powerful*popular forum engine is xenforo, afaik
22:21 celeron55 how old are neko's posts? i already have a backup of punbb running at a place thexyz knows
22:22 celeron55 hmm, most likely way too old
22:22 OldCoder I don't think I captured the posts but they go back a ways
22:22 thexyz celeron55: it's fine
22:22 thexyz i checked it before
22:23 celeron55 you can give OldCoder the user and password and url for it
22:24 thexyz i will
22:25 NakedFury thexyz another leaving post
22:25 thexyz catch!
22:25 thexyz too lazy to read his post thogh
22:26 celeron55 lol
22:26 thexyz well, he's 14
22:26 thexyz that explains a lot
22:27 OldCoder thexyz, What?
22:27 * OldCoder is confused
22:27 thexyz OldCoder: ?
22:27 marktraceur NakedFury: Who left?
22:27 OldCoder Who is 14? I am older
22:27 OldCoder Last time I checked :p
22:27 thexyz OldCoder: lkjoel is
22:27 OldCoder Ah
22:27 NakedFury myjin
22:27 NakedFury mijyn
22:27 thexyz you're more like ~50 i guess
22:28 OldCoder thexyz, Older :-)
22:28 OldCoder But not important
22:28 thexyz sure
22:28 marktraceur thexyz: What does his being 14 explain?
22:28 thexyz a lot
22:28 celeron55 the interesting thing about these posts is that nothing can be done about them
22:28 marktraceur thexyz: For example....
22:29 celeron55 and the subjects of the posts
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22:30 celeron55 if somebody declares minetest to be doomed - then, like, what?
22:30 celeron55 it's not like somebody had a magic wand to make it not doomed
22:30 sema4 how can anyone doom an open source project.
22:31 * sema4 shrugs.
22:31 celeron55 even assuming it *was* doomed (which doesn't really seem to be the case, by looking at the big picture)
22:31 marktraceur sema4: Easy - be an absolute ass in the IRC channel. They make it easy here by not interfering in anybody's business.
22:32 celeron55 there are lots of things to do to keep this thing going though
22:33 celeron55 for example somebody needs to start planning and figuring out 0.5 at some point
22:33 celeron55 and 0.4 will be long in use while 0.5 is in development
22:33 celeron55 in development too
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22:34 celeron55 there are so many things that could use big redesigns and rewrites
22:34 marktraceur celeron55: Docs will help.
22:34 thexyz oh, wait, "To the mods: Please think before closing this topic. I cannot see how this could violate the forum rules"
22:35 thexyz i haven't even read this, i feel bad now
22:35 celeron55 i think lkjoel's post could be kept open
22:36 thexyz ok
22:36 celeron55 maybe there is someting in it that is worth talking about
22:36 marktraceur thexyz: You didn't really answer my question above, are you busy?
22:36 celeron55 if it starts as a flame war, just close it then though 8)
22:37 thexyz marktraceur: i don't know how to express that.. he just acts differently
22:37 celeron55 also, thexyz: bang people in the head (including me) if you get too much work; you are being too helpful
22:37 marktraceur Hrm.
22:37 thexyz i don't think so, but whatever
22:38 celeron55 i need to say that to people just in case
22:38 thexyz marktraceur: ?
22:39 thexyz don't you think so?
22:39 marktraceur thexyz: Not really. He's been in here, chatting, and I haven't noticed anything too different.
22:40 celeron55 if you're talking about it being unsurpising that a 14-year old leaves, i think an obvious "maybe" answer to that is that they generally are just going about finding what they like to do and naturally move to new things when they find that something doesn't work for them
22:41 marktraceur Reasonable to say, yes.
22:41 celeron55 that is, they haven't grown up yet
22:42 celeron55 altough some of the things in that post are just silly... why do people force themselves to remember so small things and make the small things make everybody's life much more inconvenient in the future because of that?
22:44 celeron55 otoh, i can see why lkjoel is pissed off; he really seems to have problems figuring out with whom it is beneficial to do stuff
22:45 marktraceur celeron55: Really, running a community is hard, and I understand that. But it's the little things that you have to watch for....in the future, another person may have the same problem.
22:46 celeron55 do you have some immediate ideas that would make the life of a future lkjoel easier?
22:47 * marktraceur hasn't read his post, link?
22:47 celeron55 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4039
22:47 moltenbot celeron55's link: The community has killed minetest. I'm leaving! (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums
22:48 marktraceur Oh, MiJyn === lkjoel
22:49 celeron55 from what i can see from what he wrote, he seems to have done work, but for things that quite were just... doomed to go to oblivion
22:51 marktraceur celeron55: Suggested solutions: Enthusiastic happiness about every patch and suggestion that comes through official channels, community-centric review as opposed to "Oooh, there's celeron55, he has to review it" (using a code review tool might help) (c.f. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org), saturating the community with more developers so the community-centric review gives a lot more diverse feedback
22:52 celeron55 it all ends up in not having some kind of solid organization in the project, but if i try to do any of that, people will just take it as bureaucracy and elitism
22:52 marktraceur (the last one is long-term, but meh)
22:52 celeron55 so if that is going to happen, it has to come from somebody else than me
22:52 marktraceur celeron55: Well, it comes down to needing infrastructure and software, I suppose.
22:53 celeron55 and to be honest, the fact that i gave thexyz, PilzAdam and darkrose push access to upstream has made things much better
22:53 celeron55 = things actually go there if i just idle
22:56 marktraceur *nod*
22:56 marktraceur I'd be excited to see more people able to submit patches more easily, as well as more people able to review and merge code.
22:56 celeron55 what i'd really like to try is to give certain people areas of responsibility, but you can't force that
22:56 marktraceur celeron55: Splitting the repository, maybe, could do it
22:57 celeron55 and growing it up from what minetest traditionally has been is hard as hell
22:57 marktraceur celeron55: Have minetest-lua_api and minetest-client_code and so on, and a jenkins job that pulls them in and commits everything to minetest-core after each commit to everything
22:57 celeron55 marktraceur: that will create terrible mess from building the project
22:57 celeron55 having two repos is already hard enough
22:57 Kray that is just stupid
22:58 celeron55 and indeed minetest+minetest_game DOES give a nice spread of responsibility
22:59 marktraceur Kray: Thanks, that's helpful feedback
22:59 marktraceur celeron55: Agreed, but there may be better splits as well. Maybe a mapper repository, or a util repository?
23:00 celeron55 what would that help?
23:00 celeron55 it'll just make things slip out of sync
23:00 celeron55 and makes things hard
23:00 Kray it can only be kept sane with celeron55 pulling all the stuff to upstream
23:00 marktraceur celeron55: Someone with Python experience, but no ability to run C++, could be given access to it.
23:01 celeron55 you can generally just tell people what they are allowed to do, and they'll follow it
23:01 marktraceur True
23:02 celeron55 for example, now there are basically... three levels of things for the minetest repo
23:02 celeron55 they are not written anywhere or anything, but people just follow some unwritten rules
23:03 FreeFull They should be written down for convienience
23:04 celeron55 the first is bugfixes of few lines; those generally go in with a single question from a single other one with upstream access
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23:05 celeron55 hmm... i'm not actually sure how to form the others
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23:07 OldCoder frogcrush, wb
23:07 celeron55 actually, i think stuff just goes to two categories; one being bugfixes and smallish non-gameplay-changing things, and the other one is considerable gameplay changes and large engine reworks and additions
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23:07 trippedoutfish sup
23:07 celeron55 the first one goes as i said, and for the second one people wait for me to comment on
23:08 celeron55 this already makes the situation much better for me than before
23:08 marktraceur True! And much better for others.
23:08 * OldCoder is on an errand for a couple of hours but may return by Android
23:08 celeron55 there are two things that make it necessary for people to ask about big things from me
23:08 marktraceur I think one other change we could make is having a clear path to core access, or to minetest_game access.
23:09 * frogcrush waves to OldCoder
23:09 celeron55 the first one is that i am the one who knows everythin about the code
23:09 celeron55 +g
23:09 VanessaE thexyz: would you mind testing that you can reach vanessae.mine.bz:30000 and then add that as "VanessaE's Testing Server" to your server monitoring page?
23:10 marktraceur celeron55: Hopefully helped by the docs sprint. The second thing being?
23:10 VanessaE (requires 0.4.4 of course)
23:10 thexyz !up vanessae.mine.bz
23:10 celeron55 i can immediately see if something is completely stupid considering the design principles of some part, or if some part influences some non-obvious another one
23:10 moltenbot Minetest server vanessae.mine.bz:30000 UP
23:10 VanessaE well that answers that :D
23:10 marktraceur *nod*
23:10 marktraceur celeron55: I guess that unit testing could help that
23:10 celeron55 the second one is that there is no long-term plan for what features and gameplay things to add
23:11 celeron55 so i am the sole authority on that one
23:11 marktraceur celeron55: We could also have a more centralized way to discuss changes that should get made, e.g. forum posts or wiki pages. But yeah, long-term stuff is mostly yours.
23:12 celeron55 i think it is odd and awesome that people will trust me to do that even still, but this is not a very scalable or sustainable solution in the range of years
23:12 marktraceur True.
23:12 celeron55 i think not having democratic decision making is good for a game though
23:13 celeron55 so it needs some thought
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23:13 marktraceur I guess that, as people get core access, they should understand that merging gameplay changes is important, but should be discussed anyway
23:14 marktraceur celeron55: Ultimately, we need to trust the core access people to make good changes as opposed to bad ones, and then it won't be a blocker for merge.
23:14 celeron55 ideally i should form a group of people that i think can decide stuff as a team towards a consistent non-generic goal
23:14 celeron55 and they would have the authority on gameplay
23:15 celeron55 other thins can be handled more like for programs in g eneral
23:15 celeron55 -" "
23:15 celeron55 +g
23:16 marktraceur celeron55: I guess generally, the guiding principle should be "If someone's going to think 'I wish this were configurable' and it isn't, don't merge it"
23:16 celeron55 currently things are going quite fine in terms of making an engine, but we are far off from where we maybe could be in terms of making a game
23:16 celeron55 marktraceur: no, gameplay does not work like that
23:16 celeron55 marktraceur: other parts work
23:16 marktraceur celeron55: Are you thinking content? Like, changes to minetest_game?
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23:24 BackupCoder ve pm me pls
23:25 marktraceur I'm going to guess BackupCoder means to ping VanessaE ?
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23:40 BackupCoder uberi hi
23:40 Uberi hey
23:41 NakedFury hey
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23:43 hohoho ~_~
23:49 hohoho anyone interested in a mars themed minetest?
23:50 marktraceur hohoho: So.....desert sand and stone all the way down?
23:50 hohoho back earlier in the year I did a slight mod to the game code and added some mods and changes to theme minetest as if you were on mars and had to create a colony
23:51 hohoho well basically a world of "desert" with certain mods to make it seem more like a space colony. I haven't updated it in about a year and trying to get some motivation to do it. I won't bother however unless someone else might enjoy it
23:51 hohoho I did it as a sort of learning experience in lua and c
23:51 marktraceur hohoho: It sounds sort of interesting. Terraforming, that sort of thing?
23:52 marktraceur hohoho: Do you have e.g. air nodes and mars_air nodes, and the latter are deadly over time?
23:52 VanessaE gah!  what was codeandfix thinking by locking down the whole world by default (node_ownership)????
23:52 Uberi getting serious about griefers, perhaps?
23:52 * marktraceur would play that, hohoho
23:53 hohoho well by default the whole "world" is like current desert except cactus is modded to look like some alien plant. all recipes for items are modded to use desert items and some greenery remains but you have limited resources that you brought with you
23:53 VanessaE well sure, but I know I'd sure prefer that the world NOT be locked down by default.
23:53 NakedFury that would be an interesting mode hohoho
23:53 marktraceur hohoho: I would strongly suggest including oxygen scarcity and terraforming.
23:53 hohoho VanessaE there's a topic somewhere on the forum I posted a "fix" for node_ownership so the world by default is diggable
23:54 * hohoho looks on forum
23:54 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=846  <-- the original
23:54 moltenbot VanessaE's link: [Mod] Node ownership [node_ownership] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
23:54 * VanessaE gives the bot a good, solid kick.
23:55 NakedFury an oxygen tech tree would be interesting. you need plants to create oxygen giving machines. living in closed areas
23:55 hohoho http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=55096#p55096
23:55 moltenbot hohoho's link: Request to alter this mod slightly (no idea how to myself) (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
23:55 hohoho that node_ownership is altered so whole world is diggable by default. only owned land isn't diggable
23:55 VanessaE dead link.
23:55 hohoho imo the way it should be by default
23:55 hohoho dead already?
23:56 hohoho well let me repackage
23:56 hohoho lol
23:56 VanessaE it takes me to a generic upload page for filedropper
23:56 hohoho as for oxygen starvation, no idea how to implement such
23:56 VanessaE hohoho: use ompldr, they don't delete files :-)
23:58 hohoho http://ompldr.org/vZ25wMw
23:59 hohoho there
23:59 hohoho lol
23:59 VanessaE ah, thanks
23:59 hohoho ill have to keep that file host in mind
23:59 ecube hohoho: take a look at the drowning mod's code
23:59 VanessaE can you also add a post to the end of the node_ownership thread to reference this?

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