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00:18 kaeza joined #minetest
00:18 kaeza hello
00:19 Octupus Hi kaeza
00:20 VanessaE hey kaeza... go on the server and look in my house ;-)
00:20 kaeza not at home :(
00:20 VanessaE aw :(
00:20 kaeza wait
00:20 kaeza has sfan5 latest for win?
00:20 VanessaE http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.4-1d13d10-win32.7z
00:21 VanessaE that's the latest commit hash, so yes :-_)
00:21 kaeza DL'ing
00:21 VanessaE :-)
00:21 kaeza anything new?
00:21 VanessaE depends on how old your last one was
00:21 VanessaE I don't remember :-)
00:22 kaeza I think about four days ago
00:22 kaeza so I think it should do :)
00:22 VanessaE a few things - automatic render distance works a little better, and the screen doesn't turn black anymore during the rendering/extrude code
00:23 VanessaE so you can leave "preload item visuals" un-checked without a major video problem :-)
00:23 kaeza good
00:23 VanessaE hi Taoki. :-)
00:24 Taoki hi :)
00:24 Octupus Hi Taoki
00:24 kaeza hey Taoki
00:24 kaeza V what's your ip?
00:25 VanessaE 24.181.193.82:30000
00:25 kaeza k thanks yet again ;)
00:25 VanessaE np
00:26 kaeza hmmm... is the forum down again?
00:27 VanessaE seems okay to me?
00:27 Octupus Mayba
00:27 kaeza for some reason it doesn't allow me to login
00:27 kaeza I'm using Chrome on Windows
00:27 VanessaE odd, someone else on the forums was having that problem - maybe your work ISP blocks 5.0.0.0/24?
00:28 kaeza dunno
00:28 kaeza It was connecting yesterday
00:28 NakedFury I usually need 2 tries to enter the website
00:28 NakedFury the first it doesnt do anything and the second it enters the site
00:29 Octupus VanessaE: Adam made a boat mod :D
00:29 VanessaE Octupus: I know.  I have it installed already.
00:29 VanessaE he tested it on my server :-)
00:30 kaeza Octupus: cool
00:30 VanessaE kaeza: hence the extra-long login time on my server - new media to be downloaded.
00:31 kaeza VanessaE: still 81%
00:31 kaeza almost there
00:32 kaeza fck GPF
00:32 NakedFury it can go faster if you have all the mods the server uses on your games minetest folder
00:32 VanessaE timed out :-)
00:33 kaeza NakedFury: is that new?
00:33 kaeza VanessaE: GPF'd
00:33 NakedFury dont know but when playing on OldCoders server it logins faster
00:33 VanessaE NakedFury: it would go faster too if c55's network code was in better shape ;-)
00:33 kaeza :P
00:33 NakedFury games/minestest_games/mods : containts all mods the server uses
00:33 kaeza sooo true
00:34 VanessaE ~/.minetest/games/vanessa_game   <---- narcissistic much? :-)
00:34 NakedFury na
00:34 NakedFury you just like your name
00:34 NakedFury it would be different if the folder icon was a picture of your face
00:34 VanessaE that and I lack a certain amount of creativity in some situations :-)
00:35 NakedFury then I would be worried
00:42 kaeza bitch pleaseç
00:42 VanessaE ?
00:43 kaeza my world is Kaeza and my player is TheAlmightyKaeza
00:43 VanessaE haha
00:43 VanessaE so sign back on already :-)
00:44 kaeza going in
00:45 * VanessaE waits :-)
00:46 * VanessaE waits some more.. for the eventual GPF again :D
00:47 kaeza yup
00:47 kaeza GPF
00:47 kaeza that's why I hate Windows
00:48 kaeza aaaarrrgh
00:48 kaeza fcking GPF again
00:48 VanessaE maybe opengl vs. d3d?
00:48 kaeza hmmm
00:48 kaeza lemme see
00:48 VanessaE or directx whatever
00:50 ttk2 joined #minetest
00:52 kaeza now GPF'ed at the menu
00:52 VanessaE kaeza...
00:52 VanessaE # Video back-end.
00:52 VanessaE # Possible values: null, software, burningsvideo, direct3d8, direct3d9, opengl
00:52 VanessaE #video_driver = opengl
00:53 kaeza this comp GPFs when entering game on default driver, and at menu on D3D
00:53 kaeza I hate when not playing in my comp
00:55 kaeza I might as well convince my brother in law to install some linux distro on this one
00:55 VanessaE heh
00:56 kaeza VanessaE: have you seen? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3830
00:56 moltenbot kaeza's link: [MOD] Computers (Decorative) [0.1.2] [computer] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
00:56 VanessaE kaeza: yeah, seen it.
00:57 kaeza hmmm... I think I will finally add animated textures for the next version
00:58 VanessaE cool
00:58 marktraceur kaeza: Re: What you've included, http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/132/9/e/stop_the_vaio_lence_by_lttam-d3g70oh.png
00:58 marktraceur (the worst pun EVER)
00:59 VanessaE ugh..
00:59 kaeza I was thinking of making a looped animation, playing minetest within minetest :)
00:59 kaeza marktraceur: right
00:59 kaeza :)
01:00 kaeza oh, and hello
01:00 VanessaE kaeza: well the surprise was that I added your computers mod to the server :-)
01:00 VanessaE and put a few of them in my new house in their respective places
01:00 kaeza !oh you ruined the surprise :(
01:01 VanessaE you took too long to fix yer game :-)
01:01 kaeza but I'm really glad to see someone likes what i do
01:01 TANKERx64 joined #minetest
01:01 kaeza and actually uses it :)
01:02 TANKERx64 I deleted everything in mapgen.lua except for registers and the map generates really really fast
01:02 kaeza I've been thinking of releasing a functional computer later
01:02 VanessaE kaeza: idea...
01:03 kaeza VanessaE: yes?
01:03 VanessaE make one of the computers run some minigame like jin_xi's tetris one
01:03 jordan4ibanez joined #minetest
01:03 kaeza I was thinking about it too
01:03 kaeza It would be cooler if c55 would add a "Canvas" item for the gui
01:04 kaeza that way you could technically be able to create minetest within minetest
01:04 kaeza lol
01:05 kaeza hmmm....
01:05 VanessaE like that minecraft-in-minecraft minigame
01:05 VanessaE except we can do better than that thing.
01:06 kaeza no I mean a programmable canvas, with simple put/getpixel api (the rest of the primitives could be implemented in lua)
01:06 VanessaE ahh
01:06 kaeza if you know about Java applets then maybe you get what I'm talking about
01:06 harrison joined #minetest
01:07 VanessaE actually I interpreted that as "graphic primitives" e.g. blitter, solids, etc. operations
01:07 kaeza yes
01:07 VanessaE I don't know anything about java except that I don't like it :-)
01:08 kaeza with simple put/getpixel you can program blits/transparency/etc in lua
01:08 kaeza lines/circles/whatever
01:08 VanessaE right
01:08 kaeza but maybe I'm just dreaming :)
01:14 kaeza joined #minetest
01:15 kaeza k guys time to go. My planet needs me :)
01:15 VanessaE bye :-/
01:19 jordan4ibanez wieners wieners wieners
01:22 jordan4ibanez I wish that terrain generation was completely in c++ or at least it was faster in lua
01:22 jordan4ibanez OH I WISHHHHHHHHHHHHH
01:22 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: hmmmm is working on it.
01:22 jordan4ibanez OH THANK YOU HMMMMM I WOULD GREATLY OBLIQUIGUATE
01:23 hmmmm lol.
01:23 VanessaE last thing I saw was that he'd gotten it to a working state but...
01:23 VanessaE ...HAH
01:23 VanessaE ok he can finish that sentence for me :-P
01:23 hmmmm yeah it is in a working state, it needs a lot of cleanup
01:24 hmmmm and there are some odd bugs like for some reason biome boundaries are flat on one side
01:24 jordan4ibanez Is it faster hmmmm?
01:24 hmmmm well what do you think!?
01:24 jordan4ibanez I DONT KNOW
01:24 hmmmm it's twice as slow as the old one.
01:24 jordan4ibanez Yayyyy
01:24 VanessaE "... but it isn't production-ready and may still have major bugs" was to be my finish :-)
01:24 hmmmm mm yes
01:24 jordan4ibanez can i try it pwease
01:24 hmmmm the mapgen and associated changes are humungous
01:25 jordan4ibanez Sounds good
01:25 hmmmm i don't predict this being production-ready for a while
01:25 hmmmm it's like 2KLoC total
01:25 hmmmm 2kloc of changes
01:25 VanessaE in other words, a metric assload. :-)
01:25 jordan4ibanez github repo?
01:26 hmmmm you really just want to try it huh
01:26 hmmmm i'll add in some more biome definitions
01:26 hmmmm so it's fun
01:26 jordan4ibanez Well.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
01:26 jordan4ibanez ......................................................................................................................................................................................... Yea
01:26 hmmmm i only have like 5
01:26 hmmmm right now
01:26 VanessaE "only" hah
01:26 jordan4ibanez Can i please try it? :(
01:26 jordan4ibanez Is it in c++ or lua?
01:27 kaeza joined #minetest
01:27 hmmmm it's lua
01:27 VanessaE better than the two and a half we have now :-)
01:27 VanessaE wb kaeza
01:27 kaeza back again
01:27 jordan4ibanez Oh, well can i try it then? :D
01:27 kaeza :P
01:27 jordan4ibanez Hi kaeza
01:27 kaeza hey jordan
01:27 hmmmm lol
01:27 hmmmm you just really want to try it
01:27 hmmmm so here's how you'll define the biomes:  http://pastebin.com/qUWiCiR5
01:27 moltenbot hmmmm's link: [Lua] --  -- Register the frequency at which biome groups occur  --  minetest.register - Pastebin.com
01:27 jordan4ibanez Ya
01:27 kaeza have you updated your quarry?
01:27 jordan4ibanez Not yet
01:28 hmmmm if it turns out to not be as interesting, i am going to change it so that you can modify spread values, octaves, etc.
01:28 jordan4ibanez hmmmm, is this mapgen completely in lua? or are there c++ changes too?
01:28 hmmmm those are parameters that influence the size of the noice lattice
01:28 hmmmm no, that's just the part in lua where you define custom biomes
01:28 hmmmm everything else is C++
01:29 jordan4ibanez mdasmdasmdasmdm I can't wait for it :X
01:29 hmmmm i'm sure you can't!
01:29 hmmmm it might show up in 4.5
01:29 kaeza 4.5?
01:30 hmmmm 0.4.5.
01:30 jordan4ibanez :O
01:30 VanessaE hmmmm: in all seriousness, I look forward to seeing your new mapgen code put into practice.  With all the work you've done and the hairpulling involved, I'm sure it will be a couple orders of magnitude better than the default.
01:30 hmmmm why does everybody get on me about that
01:30 jordan4ibanez Oh
01:30 VanessaE kaeza: ARGH!j2oihf2379frt421rt78942`1xyr794366~&($
01:30 hmmmm yeah!
01:30 hmmmm It is pretty awesome
01:30 kaeza VanessaE: lol
01:30 hmmmm i also want to simplify the way caves are generated
01:30 VanessaE ZERO POINT FOUR POINT [X]
01:30 kaeza I know how you feel when someone does that
01:31 VanessaE oh fuck me, I misread my screen again :-)
01:31 jordan4ibanez mmmmm gingerbread house
01:32 VanessaE hmmmm: didn't realize it was all that complicated, though some of the caves can be pretty intricate
01:32 kaeza it could be awesome if someone added a standard way to find the current biome
01:32 kaeza a-la ambience mod
01:32 hmmmm wellll
01:32 hmmmm it's not complicated, really, it's just really messy and all over the place
01:32 VanessaE gotchya.
01:32 hmmmm i think it's nice too, honestly, i just wonder if i could do even better
01:33 hmmmm i mean i think the results are nice
01:33 jordan4ibanez is it fast?
01:33 hmmmm yes
01:33 hmmmm jeez
01:33 jordan4ibanez YAY
01:33 jordan4ibanez Can it make toast?
01:33 hmmmm nope.
01:34 jordan4ibanez I always wanted to make a toast mod
01:34 jordan4ibanez place bread above lava and it turns into toast
01:34 VanessaE ohh brother..
01:34 jordan4ibanez too long and it turns into acid
01:36 kaeza jordan4ibanez: some more advanced food mod?
01:36 kaeza would be cool
01:36 jordan4ibanez Yea
01:36 hmmmm aha!
01:36 kaeza have you played Harvest Moon?
01:36 hmmmm well my liquid transformation works
01:37 jordan4ibanez Nope
01:37 jordan4ibanez Have you played reel fishing 2?
01:37 kaeza Well, it has about 200 different recipes
01:37 kaeza might as well copy it :)
01:37 jordan4ibanez hmmmm if you make a source have it's alternate flow be the same source, you can create finite liquid
01:38 kaeza including cakes, french fries, toasts :)
01:38 jordan4ibanez sounds delicious lol
01:38 jordan4ibanez minetest has a memory leak of 9mb
01:38 kaeza mem leak?
01:39 kaeza yeah
01:39 jordan4ibanez MHM
01:39 kaeza after playing for a long time without quitting it suddenly dumps core (GPFs in Windows terms)
01:40 jordan4ibanez It creates problems for me, i kind if hesitate to play minetest because of it
01:40 hmmmm 9mb?
01:40 hmmmm that's hardly a memory leak lol
01:40 jordan4ibanez Yea
01:41 jordan4ibanez Well all i did was start up the game
01:41 mrtux it's a bit higher for me\
01:41 mrtux around ~400mb or so
01:41 Muadtralk joined #minetest
01:41 mrtux could be all the mods i have installed
01:41 hmmmm it's not, it's all the loaded blocks
01:41 hmmmm once the blocks unload it ought to reduce
01:41 mrtux ah i see
01:41 hmmmm tital wave!  http://i.imgur.com/XcnUN.png
01:41 kaeza even a 1 byte mem leak is bad
01:41 VanessaE 336 MB resident for my minetestserver instance.
01:42 jordan4ibanez oh god :O
01:42 hmmmm tidal*
01:42 mrtux hmmmm, ha!
01:42 Muadtralk nice textures
01:42 VanessaE hmmmm: this is from the new mapgen?
01:42 mrtux if that is a mod
01:42 hmmmm yea
01:42 jordan4ibanez I think i need to download more ram
01:42 VanessaE hmmmm: cool.
01:42 hmmmm I have to smooth out the biome transitions
01:42 mrtux It's sad that I have 512MB of ram...
01:42 hmmmm especially from ocean to other things
01:42 VanessaE hmmmm: wait!
01:42 kaeza hmmmm: coom
01:43 hmmmm otherwise you get what you see there
01:43 kaeza cool*
01:43 jordan4ibanez hmmmm why doesn't the biome get the surrounding biome's height?
01:43 VanessaE hmmmm: please for the love of Mike, don't do that dithered thing that we have now.
01:43 VanessaE hmmmm: instead make some new blocks to make the transition actually be smooth
01:43 hmmmm haha, vanessa, nope
01:43 hmmmm you'll see, it'll be nice
01:43 hmmmm jordan, that's because each biome has its own scale and offset values
01:43 VanessaE I *hate* the dithered desert <-> grass transitions.  they are ....  not right.
01:43 hmmmm it's an attempt though
01:44 Muadtralk they should have gravel between them
01:44 kaeza hey Muadtralk
01:44 Muadtralk that way its going from dry desert to rocky terrain then dirt
01:44 tango_ joined #minetest
01:44 jordan4ibanez Sometimes i think there will never be an os that can do it all
01:44 * VanessaE sings... "ho ho fucking, ho what a crock of shit - we all work for Santa Claus, we've had enough, we quit..."
01:45 VanessaE ok maybe that's too raunchy even for this channel :-)
01:45 kaeza lol
01:45 Muadtralk there wont be an os that does it all
01:45 hmmmm "does it all"?
01:45 Muadtralk if that was made we would have to make new tihngs that only sometihng else can do
01:45 Muadtralk things*
01:46 jordan4ibanez Does not have bugs, can be installed in solid state firmware, boots up almost instantly
01:46 Muadtralk try dos!
01:46 * mrtux keyboard is breaking
01:46 hmmmm why do you care about boot time?
01:46 kaeza or Windows 1.01
01:46 hmmmm do you reboot 50 times a day?
01:46 mrtux 8 year old keyboard lulz
01:46 hmmmm i can understand if we're talking Solaris-boot-slow
01:46 hmmmm or AIX
01:47 hmmmm AIX.. christ.... it takes literally 20 minutes for my RS/6000 to boot
01:47 kaeza what is a "fast" boot?
01:47 hmmmm like 30 seconds?
01:47 kaeza my Win 7 Ultimate boots up in about 10 secs
01:47 jordan4ibanez Like windows 8 can boot in 4 seconds, but seriously, it's windows 8 that's the only thing it has
01:47 jordan4ibanez then linux has stability
01:47 jordan4ibanez windows 7 has gaming
01:47 hmmmm windows 8 cheats
01:48 jordan4ibanez gentoo and arch have customizability
01:48 hmmmm that's hibernation, not real booting
01:48 jordan4ibanez Mac os has style
01:48 Muadtralk actually hmmmm I have had several days where I have to reboot almost 50 times a day
01:48 hmmmm that sucks
01:48 Muadtralk and it gets very, very tiresome if you have a 2 minute boot time for windows
01:49 kaeza try removingt unneeded things fro startup
01:49 kaeza I currentyly only have the antivirus control panel
01:50 jordan4ibanez Then windows gets slower over time, and so does linux and mac, and blah, unless you have an ssd
01:50 VanessaE I have a SSD and it *still* gets slow on occasion
01:50 VanessaE (but it's a far cry from the pain that is booting/operating from spinning rust)
01:51 kaeza the problem is that most oses now add a bunch of things that are unneeded
01:51 jordan4ibanez And even when you have an ssd you can still defrag it on windows, which makes no sense
01:51 kaeza seriously, Ubuntu is 2.6GB installed IIRC
01:51 VanessaE yup, too many layers of crap between the OS and the user.  Whatever happened to the concept of loading what you need, on demand?
01:51 kaeza but it has no `flex'
01:52 Muadtralk hehe i dont have much of anything running on windows
01:52 VanessaE kaeza: upwards of 9GB with everything but the kitchen sink, installed.
01:52 jordan4ibanez The fastest file system i've ever seen is xfs, which smokes ntfs, but you can only use it on linux and bsd
01:52 Muadtralk only 9 gigs?
01:52 kaeza yup
01:52 kaeza but still no `flex' :(
01:52 jordan4ibanez lol
01:52 Muadtralk my my thats the drain not the kitchen sink
01:52 * jordan4ibanez bends ubuntu until it snaps
01:52 jordan4ibanez oops
01:53 VanessaE Muadtralk: yeah - for the system itself.  Now, counting my data library and home directory, it's closer to half a terabyte.
01:53 jordan4ibanez For the mesecons challenge i'm going to make a lever
01:53 Muadtralk win7 if you havent noticed installs with nothing on it to almost 20 gigs
01:53 Muadtralk somethings wrong with that
01:53 kaeza jordan4ibanez: go for something useful like a data bus or something like that
01:53 VanessaE Muadtralk: jeez :-/
01:53 jordan4ibanez Yea, it's because of the language packs
01:54 jordan4ibanez It's all in one, which sucks ass
01:54 Muadtralk no even without it
01:54 kaeza Muadtralk: yeah
01:54 Muadtralk i tried deleting as much as i could without destroying its usability
01:54 Muadtralk it didnt do much
01:54 Muadtralk all that encryption must be the culprit
01:54 VanessaE the only use I have for multiple languages is just so that programs will properly render foreign text - I don't give a shit about translations or even being able to READ it, I just don't wanna see little boxes with UTF-8 codes therein.
01:55 kaeza that's because a stupid program like notepad occupies 1MB
01:55 jordan4ibanez My windows 7 expires in 87 days, so idk, when steam comes onto linux fully i'm off windows
01:55 kaeza and they don't have debugging symbols :)
01:55 Muadtralk and notepad is directly intertwined with the entire system
01:55 VanessaE kaeza: sad isn't it?  Remember when a full word processing suite used to be ~50kB?
01:55 Muadtralk which if you manage to delete it
01:55 Muadtralk it will bite you in the ass
01:55 kaeza VanessaE: good old times
01:56 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: there are betas of Steam4linux out now.
01:56 kaeza I remember "The Last Word" for the Speccy
01:56 Muadtralk yes fior those lucky few who got into the beta
01:56 Muadtralk for*
01:56 jordan4ibanez I like that you can beat the shit out of linux and it'll still work
01:56 Muadtralk until you misconfigure a monitor and you cant see anything
01:56 VanessaE kaeza: geoWrite... and you had a full GUI OS under it...and the whole OS + toolchain fit on a 330kB floppy disk.
01:57 VanessaE how far have we fallen? :(
01:57 Muadtralk very very far
01:57 jordan4ibanez No, i've done that
01:57 kaeza VanessaE: hmm... never heard of it... gotta research this
01:57 jordan4ibanez I installed the wrong nvidia driver and i still could fix it, it wrecked the boot loader and i still managed to fix it lol
01:57 jordan4ibanez i did that with windows 7 2 weeks ago and had to reinstall
01:58 VanessaE kaeza: it's part of an OS called GEOS (which ran on 8-bit computers of the 80's)
01:58 kaeza but yes, we've fallen lower than rock bottom
01:58 Muadtralk we must have dug past the void
01:58 VanessaE Muadtralk: Xfre86 modelines ftw!
01:58 VanessaE :-)
01:58 VanessaE Xfree86*
01:58 kaeza A few years ago I seen a notepad-like program that required DX9
01:58 VanessaE DX for a fucking text editor!?
01:58 kaeza Muadtralk: lol
01:59 Muadtralk what?
01:59 VanessaE *facepalm*
01:59 Muadtralk directx?
01:59 Muadtralk thats insane
01:59 jordan4ibanez lol
01:59 VanessaE directx.
01:59 kaeza yep
01:59 Muadtralk what did it do that required it?
01:59 jordan4ibanez i love when people pull out the, linux doesn't support directx card, it's not supposed to
01:59 kaeza "special effects"
01:59 Muadtralk did it play space invaders with 8th dimensional physics?
01:59 kaeza IIRC
01:59 VanessaE that's beyond insane. What are they trying to do, make it render the text into some kind of perverted 3d environment?
02:00 kaeza something like that
02:00 jordan4ibanez MIRC
02:00 VanessaE *groan*
02:00 Muadtralk ew
02:00 Muadtralk i tried that irc client once
02:01 kaeza what?
02:01 kaeza IIRC = If I Recall/Remember Correctly
02:01 jordan4ibanez MIRC aka packfuck
02:01 Muadtralk i meant MIRC
02:01 jordan4ibanez buggiest non free client
02:01 kaeza I use either webchat, XChat, or pidgin :)
02:01 Muadtralk i remember one time I pirated it for a friend
02:02 jordan4ibanez Quassel is truly the best
02:02 Muadtralk he was very very quick to delete it
02:02 Muadtralk pidgin is nice actually
02:02 Muadtralk doesnt give many bugs
02:02 jordan4ibanez NO QUASSEL IS BETTUR
02:02 OldCoder It is like editors
02:02 OldCoder To each their own
02:02 Muadtralk ill remember that the next time i want to use KDE to run it
02:02 kaeza the good thing with pidgin is that you can also login to your Yahoo chat accounts, etc
02:03 jordan4ibanez Nice
02:03 Muadtralk and twitter!
02:03 kaeza though I rarely use Y! now
02:03 jordan4ibanez Oh yea i remember pidgin
02:03 kaeza and it has a centralized interface where you can see your friends, etc
02:04 Muadtralk pidgin isnt very kind to my cpu
02:04 jordan4ibanez Yea
02:04 Muadtralk somehow if ive been using it all day
02:04 jordan4ibanez Pidgin wasn't very fast though, at least when i was on a p4
02:04 kaeza Muadtralk: that's strange
02:04 kaeza using Windows?
02:04 Muadtralk it manages to make several copies of its own process
02:04 Muadtralk and slow me down
02:04 Muadtralk in linux
02:04 jordan4ibanez Lolwut
02:04 Muadtralk damn windows
02:04 kaeza hmm
02:05 Muadtralk I wont wait 2 minutes for it to load on my computer
02:05 kaeza I only see a single instance of pidgin in the process list
02:05 Muadtralk its a rare bug
02:05 Muadtralk but its crushed me several times
02:05 kaeza maybe you need to update?
02:05 kaeza o hai OldCoder!
02:06 Muadtralk you talking to the person who cant use stable distros because he ends up breaking them to get the latest version of a solitaire application
02:06 Muadtralk your*
02:06 OldCoder kaeza, Hi!
02:06 OldCoder kaeza, I just added one of your mods!
02:06 OldCoder It will appear in my worlds tonight
02:06 jordan4ibanez I can't finish this gingerbread hoooose
02:06 Muadtralk hose?
02:06 kaeza OldCoder: which one? (I have only two)
02:06 OldCoder house
02:06 OldCoder kaeza, computers IIRC
02:06 jordan4ibanez no, hose
02:07 OldCoder Oh
02:07 kaeza oh cool!
02:07 jordan4ibanez no jk, house
02:07 OldCoder computers are useful
02:07 OldCoder jordan4ibanez, very well
02:07 OldCoder Every home needs a kaeza komputer!
02:07 OldCoder :p
02:07 OldCoder VanessaE world has them
02:07 Muadtralk yes they are quite useful for incasing people in nodes while they are idle
02:07 OldCoder So into mine they go
02:07 OldCoder Hmm?
02:07 OldCoder <--- misses the reference
02:07 Muadtralk my favorite pastime
02:07 OldCoder Ah
02:07 kaeza I'll try intergrating (read: stealing) the code from the arcade machine
02:08 Muadtralk in game if someone goes idle
02:08 Muadtralk i almost always incase them in useless decorative nodes
02:08 Muadtralk like gravel
02:09 kaeza oh and the Pony SlayStation is good for those lone nights :)
02:09 Muadtralk ?
02:09 Muadtralk oh
02:10 VanessaE OldCoder: please redownload:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/My_World_server.zip --and-- http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/vanessa_game.zip
02:10 OldCoder VanessaE, ty and proceeding now
02:10 jordan4ibanez OH THAT WAS BAD
02:10 kaeza Muadtralk: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3830
02:10 moltenbot kaeza's link: [MOD] Computers (Decorative) [0.1.2] [computer] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
02:12 Muadtralk why must the station slay ponies?
02:12 Muadtralk what did they do to you?
02:13 jordan4ibanez I want to make an advanced drawtype for carts, but just, TOO LAZY
02:13 jordan4ibanez Is there a utility to create nodeboxes?
02:13 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: pilzadam says one can also use 3d models (ala the player) for entities.
02:13 kaeza I hate my little pony
02:13 VanessaE so fuck nodeboxes.  use blender :-)
02:14 VanessaE kaeza: modern MLP just doesn't hold a candle to what I grew up with
02:14 kaeza VanessaE: MT has support for models??
02:14 OldCoder VanessaE, conversion to LevelDB in progress
02:14 VanessaE kaeza: rudimentary, yes.
02:14 VanessaE kaeza: the player model is a .x file.
02:14 VanessaE and it can be configured from Lua I guess
02:14 kaeza I didn't notice that
02:15 kaeza I was trying to make a nodebox golf cart
02:15 jordan4ibanez How?
02:15 kaeza entity
02:15 jordan4ibanez No i meant where is the nodebox of the player?
02:15 VanessaE the player isn't a nodebox.
02:15 kaeza but my node boxing suxx
02:15 VanessaE the player is a proper 3d model.
02:16 jordan4ibanez How to set it to an entity then?
02:16 Muadtralk with a fancy .blend file
02:16 VanessaE no clue how to do it, I'm only barely familiar with it all.
02:16 VanessaE not enough to understand the file formats yet, let alone the syntax :-)
02:16 kaeza hmm
02:18 jordan4ibanez time to create an npc
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02:19 kaeza jordan4ibanez: +1000
02:19 kaeza The towntest mod is pretty slow
02:19 kaeza and not very "realistic"
02:20 kaeza and the workers mod, well, forget about it
02:22 OldCoder VanessaE, world updated and check it out!
02:22 OldCoder carts will crash until I update to 0.4.4
02:23 kaeza ok time to get really going
02:23 VanessaE there we go, third time's the charm
02:23 VanessaE kept mistying my passwd.
02:24 kaeza bye guys
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02:25 VanessaE lol
02:25 VanessaE right-click a cart ---> *** Server shutting down
02:25 VanessaE haha
02:25 VanessaE perhaps you should delete the carts until you can update to 0.4.4 :-)
02:25 VanessaE boats too
02:25 VanessaE player_textures also
02:38 OldCoder VanessaE, updates are expected this week
02:39 jordan4ibanez http://i.imgur.com/ZCIpA.png started
02:40 VanessaE OldCoder: will the update be difficult?  Can you use that LevelDB patch in 0.4.4?
02:40 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: what IS it?
02:40 jordan4ibanez the beginning of a player npc
02:41 OldCoder VanessaE, all set
02:42 OldCoder VanessaE, I mostly need to test things; all should be well
02:42 VanessaE oh ok
02:42 OldCoder VanessaE, thexyz and RBA were both put off, I think, by lack of acceptance upstream. But the three of us have talked and thexyz has shown me what to do.
02:43 VanessaE OldCoder: you should keep pressing c55 to get that patch merged upstream.  If it works as well as it seems to for you, we need to switch to it.
02:43 OldCoder VanessaE, C55 seemed to agree to doing this later on
02:43 OldCoder He is not in a rush. But we have a way to move forward for now.
02:44 OldCoder Running 0.4.4 in multiple places with LevelDB will help
02:44 VanessaE press on him anyway.
02:44 OldCoder I will make the sources I use available
02:44 OldCoder Heh
02:44 OldCoder You overestimate my influence
02:44 OldCoder But all right
02:44 VanessaE he's stubborn - everyone in the community knows it, including him. :-)
02:44 OldCoder Then... one step at a time
02:44 OldCoder I will try to start 0.4.4 tomorrow
02:44 VanessaE and when he sees this in the logs, hopefully he'll know I mean that in the nicest way possible ;-)
02:44 OldCoder There is no work to the builds
02:45 OldCoder It is about making sure everything does not get broken
02:45 VanessaE right
02:45 OldCoder Continuity
02:45 OldCoder Continuity is key to the survival and growth of the project and community
02:45 VanessaE yes
02:45 OldCoder We can't break all the worlds each time
02:45 NakedFury Oldcoder will you provide a windows client like you did in the past?
02:45 OldCoder NakedFury, absolutely!
02:46 OldCoder That is one of the things to test
02:46 NakedFury ok
02:46 OldCoder It really should be fine
02:46 OldCoder The only problem I know of so far...
02:47 OldCoder Is that Windows EXEs won't support local LevelDB. So if people want their worlds from my servers I will need to export back to SQLite3.
02:47 OldCoder But they will run fine...
02:47 OldCoder with the LevelDB worlds *on* my servers
02:48 OldCoder This also means that people who wish to run their own servers are strongly encouraged to use Linux and not Windows
02:49 NakedFury wont bother me, I dont plan on running any server
02:50 VanessaE OldCoder: why was that again?
02:50 VanessaE OldCoder: what was keeping LevelDB out of windows builds?
02:51 OldCoder VanessaE, Boost
02:52 OldCoder I built Boost for Windows. From scratch. But cmake simply will not find it! There are a few other problems as well.
02:52 OldCoder Believe me I tried. Spent a day on this.
02:52 VanessaE Maybe it's something ridiculously simple?
02:52 OldCoder Probably
02:53 OldCoder So I tried all the ridiculously simple things I could think of
02:53 OldCoder I hate...
02:53 VanessaE I mean, look for the smallest, stupidest, most obvious thing you can think of that, if done wrong, breaks the install.
02:53 OldCoder build systems that try to make things simple
02:53 OldCoder VanessaE, MT is cmake based
02:53 OldCoder And no matter what I did cmake would not accept Boost
02:54 OldCoder If you know cmake experts
02:54 jordan4ibanez now i have the basic model loaded http://i.imgur.com/RuQka.png
02:54 OldCoder Tell them I'd like to build MT but cmake hates Boost
02:57 VanessaE heh
02:57 VanessaE that leaves me out :-)
02:57 VanessaE I hate cmake :-)
02:58 VanessaE I used to have nothing but headaches with packages that use it years ago.
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03:15 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ0gFMUj8DY
03:15 moltenbot harrison's link: Seizure Gazelle - YouTube
03:21 jordan4ibanez I DID IT!!
03:21 jordan4ibanez :D
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03:25 jordan4ibanez It's very very basic
03:25 jordan4ibanez but it supports all the animations the normal player does
03:25 VanessaE video?
03:26 jordan4ibanez http://youtu.be/2w6O2yU1Ayg
03:26 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Basic Minetest NPC - YouTube
03:27 VanessaE not bad.  Next, give it a better skin of course, but more importantly, make sure it always faces the direction it's moving toward :-)
03:27 NakedFury I must celebrate. I found the guillotine command of gimp
03:27 Muadtralk now... make it dance along to thriller
03:28 Muadtralk and look like michael jackson
03:28 VanessaE hah
03:30 kizeren @NakedFury how is the dwarf mine coming on the server?
03:30 khonkhortisan robots should have special skins so you can tell them apart
03:31 NakedFury slowly but great
03:31 NakedFury need to keep carving the center
03:31 NakedFury gonna leave the hard work for last
03:32 kizeren Might stop by and drop some teleports,  hate walking all the way back up :)
03:32 NakedFury ok
03:32 kizeren <----Shaun by the way.
03:35 NakedFury well this Gimp tool will speed up my texture project
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03:38 khonkhortisan mc spy detected
03:38 MiJyn hi
03:38 VanessaE heh
03:38 NakedFury this made 256 windows of gimp dammit
03:38 NakedFury only downside
03:38 VanessaE NakedFury: put it in single window mode
03:38 khonkhortisan use the new version, you'll get 256 tabs ^
03:38 VanessaE then you only have hundreds of tabs instead :D
03:39 khonkhortisan the window close button only closes the tab
03:40 NakedFury close all caused the program to freeze
03:40 NakedFury gimp has no check for updates?
03:42 VanessaE dunno, in linux that sorta stuff is handled by package managers.
03:43 NakedFury nice video jordan
03:43 NakedFury now we need an exact player model selection box to accompany any 3d model done
03:48 VanessaE +1
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03:53 jordan4ibanez here is the source code
03:53 jordan4ibanez http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=qCNUWxYi
03:53 jordan4ibanez right now the player model goes to the right
03:57 jordan4ibanez I don't understand how to make it not go to the right xD
03:58 VanessaE I don't even understand how to make it go, period :-)
03:58 khonkhortisan robocode has a check for updates, it's faster than my os
04:01 jordan4ibanez http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=55914#p55914
04:01 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: 3D Animated NPC (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
04:03 jordan4ibanez I hope to make a mining npc
04:04 khonkhortisan it's been done before with a node, it'd be better with a character
04:07 jordan4ibanez it's really REALLY easy
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04:08 VanessaE hi
04:12 NakedFury can oyu use old gimp plugins on new version?
04:14 NakedFury ignore. found the problem. it was a script not a plugin
04:17 jordan4ibanez khonkhortisan: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2278CMTe
04:17 jordan4ibanez basic mining npc
04:24 jordan4ibanez oh wieners
04:25 VanessaE related:  http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4015
04:25 moltenbot VanessaE's link: [MOD] Tunnel Boring Machine (Beta) [TBM] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
04:26 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: I think the NPCs should be aimed more at providing a good selection of hostile and non-hostile mobs
04:26 VanessaE rather than being workers as such
04:26 jordan4ibanez Yea, this was just a test
04:26 jordan4ibanez make some models and then they can be made hostile
04:26 VanessaE right
04:27 VanessaE who knows, your code might make it into git master if it's generic enough :-)
04:27 jordan4ibanez Lol
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04:54 jordan4ibanez hmmmm you should have support for grass and like dead grass in your api
04:54 VanessaE ?
04:56 VanessaE you mean in my plantlife mod? (??)
04:56 hmmmm dead grass?
04:56 hmmmm erm
04:57 hmmmm not sure what you mean
04:57 VanessaE dry shrubs?
04:57 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, I know this is a late reply, but I saw your NPC mod... awesome!!!
04:57 jordan4ibanez hmmmm you know how i made grass spawn like it does in minecraft?
04:57 jordan4ibanez like that is what i mean
04:57 jordan4ibanez and thank you mijyn
04:58 hmmmm i don't actually
04:58 hmmmm sorry
04:58 jordan4ibanez You know how dead shrubs spawn in deserts?
04:58 hmmmm erm, i guess..
04:58 VanessaE fwiw, I do that in plantlife....
04:58 jordan4ibanez like that, only more densely
04:59 VanessaE jungle grass -> dry shrubs after a while.
04:59 hmmmm sounds like something you'd want to add in register_on_generated()
04:59 VanessaE (but only in the desert, as configured by default)
04:59 jordan4ibanez well that's what made generating grass slow
05:00 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: https://github.com/VanessaE/plantlife/blob/master/API.txt
05:00 moltenbot VanessaE's link: plantlife/API.txt at master ? VanessaE/plantlife ? GitHub
05:00 VanessaE maybe what you need is in that mod.  Look at the API doc.
05:03 jordan4ibanez I don't want to grow them, i want them to spawn on chunk generation, but right now there is no fast way to do that
05:05 VanessaE ah
05:05 VanessaE well maybe I should extend plantlife to do that too :-)
05:06 VanessaE seems like everyone and their dog prefers on-map-generate...
05:08 VanessaE pfft.  the API doesn't even explain how register_on_generated() works.
05:10 VanessaE ew.  sample code shows you have to iterate through X/Y/Z yourself!?
05:11 VanessaE Jeez it's no wonder hooking into map generation is slow.
05:11 VanessaE fuck that.
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05:22 VanessaE hmmmm: having just looked briefly at mapgen.lua...  um...  would "oy gevalt" convey my sentiments appropriately? :-)
05:24 hmmmm perhaps....
05:24 hmmmm there's a lot i think that can be done to make it better
05:24 hmmmm we really need to look into that JITter again
05:25 VanessaE I mean shit..
05:25 hmmmm this is going to become even more important when trees get put in (guess where they're going...)
05:25 VanessaE this is iterating through the entire volume of each mapblock just to generate random ores or look for grass
05:25 VanessaE this is just horrible
05:26 hmmmm that's really the way most things are done in the mapgen
05:26 hmmmm well, were
05:26 VanessaE well sure, it makes sense generally....but in an interpreted language?
05:26 hmmmm from lighting, to cave generating, to checking which nodes are liquid and need to be transformed, etc.
05:26 hmmmm yeah, bad
05:26 VanessaE that's 16^3 iterations of each loop for each ore if I read this right
05:27 VanessaE what's that, 4k?
05:27 hmmmm well
05:27 VanessaE multiplied by however many mapblocks have to be generated for the current view...  eek
05:27 hmmmm try (16 * 5)^3
05:27 VanessaE *5?
05:27 hmmmm yep
05:27 hmmmm 5x5x5 block chunks are generated each run
05:28 VanessaE oh yes
05:28 VanessaE I forgot about that
05:28 hmmmm that's going to be configurable btw
05:28 VanessaE so 512,000 nodes.
05:28 VanessaE /iterations
05:28 hmmmm default_chunk_size in the config file
05:28 hmmmm and then it'll store that number in the map metadata
05:28 VanessaE sounds good
05:28 hmmmm so that way if you change that number it won't screw up existing maps
05:29 hmmmm but yeah, half million iterations is bad enough, but lua...
05:29 hmmmm it's incredible though
05:29 hmmmm i've already come so far and the mapgen is pretty fast
05:29 VanessaE and with one...two....  four pseudorandom calls per iteration as well
05:29 hmmmm because i do a lot less crap for one, and for two, my noise calls are way faster
05:30 hmmmm yeah, a lot of "optimization" is taken for granted
05:30 hmmmm i know from my own experience that compilers do NOT always generate optimal code
05:30 VanessaE not to disparage c55's coding skills or anything, but this is just BAD.
05:30 hmmmm especially if you're doing something wasteful to boot
05:30 hmmmm it doesn't have to do with coding skills, i think, it's just in bad taste and this is a rather naive method
05:31 VanessaE so, what IS the story with compiled Lua?  Depending on who you ask, either it's interpreted in realtime, or it's always compiled into p-code...which is it that MT is doing?
05:31 hmmmm like one obvious optimization you can do there is to not generate ore if it's above ground
05:31 hmmmm right now, MT is just using the regular lua, which gets compiled into p-code before being executed
05:31 VanessaE ok
05:32 VanessaE and LuaJIT compiles it into something more akin to an executable then?
05:32 hmmmm yes, native code
05:32 VanessaE ok
05:32 VanessaE I wonder if the same speed gains we used to see back in the old days apply here.
05:32 hmmmm i've been _told_ that we've tried it before.
05:32 hmmmm and that it didn't work out too great
05:32 hmmmm but that was obviously before all this stuff started going out into lua
05:33 VanessaE compiling BASIC into p-code usually gave you about a 5x speed boost, whereas compiling straight to assembly language tended to double that again, at a large cost of memory
05:33 hmmmm lua is such a huge part of minetest now
05:33 VanessaE yeah, thexyz tried it, but found no benefit, but I can't say if he did it right.
05:33 VanessaE (luajit that is)
05:33 hmmmm well
05:33 hmmmm you know what they said about other things
05:33 hmmmm (shaders, binary file format)
05:33 hmmmm they all said "oh it's 3x slower" or whatever and it turns out they just did it wrong
05:34 VanessaE mmhmm
05:34 hmmmm I wish i could clone myself so i can work on different things at the same time
05:34 VanessaE "You're holding it wrong."
05:34 VanessaE ;)
05:34 hmmmm there is an incredible amount of stuff that i'd like to fix or rework
05:34 hmmmm the shaders, i'm not too interested in, but the current lighting system could be optimized a whole lot
05:35 hmmmm the file format, we don't really need to use a database and we'd be subject to the limitations of that database too
05:35 hmmmm all that overhead
05:35 VanessaE well there is one caveat to that...
05:35 hmmmm huh
05:35 VanessaE indexing a database is a lot easier than a flat file.
05:36 VanessaE that said,
05:36 hmmmm well
05:36 VanessaE I've found so many places (outside of minetest I mean) where anything other than a flat file is just overkill
05:36 hmmmm my idea is to have block metadata elsewhere
05:36 VanessaE you're thinking almost like the old sectors format then?
05:36 hmmmm noo
05:36 hmmmm noo that's horrible
05:36 hmmmm one file
05:36 VanessaE heh ok
05:37 hmmmm the first idea i'd have for our own map file format is this:
05:37 hmmmm you have your header section, block address mapping section, metadata section
05:37 hmmmm and then the block data
05:38 VanessaE all in the same file?
05:38 hmmmm the block addressing section would be like a huge LUT that'll translate the block position in the world into the offset in the file
05:38 hmmmm and vice versa
05:38 hmmmm yea
05:39 VanessaE mmmh...
05:39 hmmmm have you ever read up on ext2?
05:39 hmmmm maybe something like the inode structure how it has that single, double, then triple-indexed section for which blocks it's using
05:39 VanessaE this is where my knowledge of filesystems breaks down a bit.   I use ext4 myself, but when it comes to fs internals I don't know anything more recent than old stuff from my c64
05:40 hmmmm mm
05:40 hmmmm okay in a nutshell:  there are a static number of preallocated inodes, each for a file
05:40 khonkhortisan Anyone know how to sell stuff on eBay?
05:40 VanessaE but for relevance:  I'm accustomed to accessing flat files in a purely linear fashion (versus random access in databases of the era, as today), that's why I'm confused.
05:40 VanessaE but go on.
05:41 VanessaE khonkhortisan: been a while.
05:41 hmmmm in this 128 byte structure you have a bunch of fields, and then the last three you have the block sections
05:41 hmmmm like one of the fields is an immediate listing of the LBA for the file
05:41 hmmmm and if it's bigger than one block
05:41 khonkhortisan I can't switch from the Online Auction tab to the Fixed Price tab. I can't tell if it's the page misbehaving or if I need to satisfy a requirement.
05:41 hmmmm then the next field will contain the LBA of a chunk containing nothing but LBAs to blocks being used by the file
05:41 VanessaE heh.  sounds exactly like the old GEOS VLIR format.
05:42 hmmmm and the next field goes deeper, it's a block containing addresses of blocks that contain addresses to parts of the file
05:42 hmmmm basically
05:42 VanessaE except of course that only had two levels of indirection but yeah, I see what you mean
05:42 hmmmm well that sort of design element i like, i'd use that if i needed to store a variable amount of records
05:43 hmmmm very efficient imo
05:44 VanessaE well, I guess if implemented properly it would be pretty efficient then
05:44 VanessaE (and it's a given that you'll do it right)
05:44 VanessaE binary data or human-readable?
05:45 hmmmm binary data obviously
05:45 hmmmm we can't afford being inefficient
05:45 VanessaE I assumed so
05:45 hmmmm but again
05:45 hmmmm this is a really really long term project that i'm only considering doing
05:45 hmmmm and it has much lower priority than other things
05:45 VanessaE maybe this can just be implemented as a third backend in lieu of SQLite or LevelDB
05:46 VanessaE (assuming the latter ever makes it in that is)
05:47 hmmmm of course it will
05:47 hmmmm 0.4.5 if anything
05:47 VanessaE this by you is "long term"? :-)
05:47 hmmmm 0.4.5 is pretty short term
05:47 VanessaE as I thought :-)
05:48 VanessaE at any rate, it'll get done when it gets done.
05:48 hmmmm you know, when you start working on a project, you stop seeing everything as so far off, and instead you think "oh god, please make the release take as long as possible, this buggy PoS cannot possibly be made part of a release"
05:48 VanessaE lol
05:49 hmmmm fear of eating your own dog food i guess
05:49 hmmmm but then again, i stopped playing minetest
05:49 VanessaE you'll get back to it some time, after you've run out of stuff to code ;)
05:50 VanessaE that also raises an important point though:
05:51 VanessaE you code because you enjoy either the process or the results thereof, enough so that actually *playing* the game doesn't have as much appeal.
05:51 VanessaE that's just as valid and important an activity as anything else really, where the game's concerned.
05:52 hmmmm for me, i think it's a cross between not being able to play because you see all the flaws and you feel like you need to fix that
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05:52 hmmmm and then just not finding it fun anymore
05:52 hmmmm it's fun when it's somebody elses' responsibility
05:53 VanessaE I expect the same holds true for most any project for most coders.  The one I am most known for was about 16 years ago, and while it gained me a certain level of notoriety within the community it was aimed at, I didn't actually USE that project that much.
05:54 hmmmm true that
05:54 hmmmm unless, of course, you started the project because you needed a tool to accomplish some goal
05:54 hmmmm which is the case in a lot of my projects
05:54 hmmmm i still use some programs of mine that i wrote when i was 16 in wine
05:54 VanessaE right
05:55 hmmmm because back then i never even thought about portability
05:55 VanessaE I have dozens of little scripts that are all the result of exactly that - just write a tool that does the job so I don't have to do things the hard way
05:55 hmmmm i did all sorts of nice things like *(short)(foo + strlen(foo) - 2) = ',' to append a comma onto the end of a string for example :X
05:56 VanessaE (I haven't done any compiled/assembled code in a very long time, aside from the recent patches to the engine you helped me with)
05:56 hmmmm and then i had quite a time when i needed that program to run on SPARC
05:56 hmmmm you should definitely do more
05:56 hmmmm it gets easier as you become more familiar with the source
05:57 VanessaE I will.  Just gotta familiarize myself with the engine
05:57 VanessaE yeah, it'll get easier as I get more into it.
05:58 VanessaE in the meantime, I'm getting signals from various places (brain, body, husband) saying it's time to sleep.  Perhaps I should heed said signals. :-)
05:58 hmmmm hmmmm indeed.... 1am
05:58 hmmmm i have school tomorrow
05:58 VanessaE I have a sizable road trip ahead of me tomorrow...
05:59 VanessaE (not as much time spent as school, but for me it's 10x as nerve wracking :-) )
05:59 VanessaE so I
05:59 hmmmm last day of classes for me - actually two of the four are already finished
05:59 VanessaE cool - time to celebrate a little then :-)
05:59 hmmmm still need to do some projects, then finals should be easy, and then i'm freeeeeeeee to minetest 24/7
06:00 VanessaE so anyway, I'm off to bed.   Night :-)
06:00 hmmmm night
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06:05 ShiftyCake Hello
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06:06 ShiftyCake Hello
06:07 khonkhortisan hello
06:08 Calinou hi
06:09 ShiftyCake i'm getting kubuntu do you know how i can save on my usb instead of burning?
06:09 ShiftyCake I have downloaded it and it installed expressburn
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06:11 Calinou ShiftyCake: unetbootin
06:11 Calinou (might not work for distros not based on ubuntu)
06:12 Calinou if it's not based on ubuntu then use dd, which is a command line tool
06:12 Calinou (data destructor :D be very careful when using it)
06:13 Calinou http://unetbootin.sf.net
06:13 moltenbot Calinou's link: UNetbootin - Homepage and Downloads
06:13 ShiftyCake The general procedure to install Ubuntu from a USB flash drive is:      Acquire the correct Ubuntu installation files ('the ISO')     Put Ubuntu onto your USB flash drive     Configure your computer to boot from USB flash drive and boot from it     Try Ubuntu or install it to your hard drive.
06:15 ShiftyCake https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
06:15 moltenbot ShiftyCake's link: Installation/FromUSBStick - Community Ubuntu Documentation
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06:15 ShiftyCake Hello
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06:31 devlab Hi, why does gravel have creepy sounds?
06:34 khonkhortisan didn't notice
06:35 devlab What does it mean when there is a lot of gravel in one spot?
06:35 NakedFury nothing
06:35 khonkhortisan that's just how it generates
06:35 NakedFury just the extremely weird way gravel generates
06:36 khonkhortisan it does mean something if you have a shallow pond in sand; look for clay.
06:36 khonkhortisan I've dug down through rock and found a vein of gravel and sand. Blame the dinosaurs.
06:38 devlab almost 2 stacks?
06:38 khonkhortisan more
06:39 devlab how much more?
06:40 khonkhortisan I didn't clear the whole thing, it's still on gameboom
06:41 khonkhortisan Can two people be in the same cart?
06:42 devlab i just got over 100 tin
06:44 devlab i have almost 4 stacks of coal, what the?
06:50 devlab is there a mod that adds clocks?
06:50 NakedFury minecraft style clocks?
06:51 NakedFury no either way
06:51 khonkhortisan hehe I could make a game out of static art screens, rail, and pistons to connect rails to change screens.
06:51 ShiftyCake yes there is
06:51 ShiftyCake there is clock
06:51 ShiftyCake http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=807
06:51 moltenbot ShiftyCake's link: [Mod] Clock [clock] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
06:52 NakedFury wow
06:52 NakedFury must have missed that one
06:52 NakedFury but cant blame me it was in january 13
06:54 cy1 anybody around?
06:55 ShiftyCake yep
06:55 cy1 Aqua: come check out the thingy I built at my place!
06:55 cy1 it's like my old spirally stair, but I did it right this time
06:55 Aqua_ what server?
06:55 cy1 verge.info.tm port 6989
06:56 Calinou gpg --encrypt spirally_stair
06:56 Calinou there, you can now see it
06:56 Aqua ok
06:56 cy1 gpg was friggin hard to jury rig into minetest
06:57 khonkhortisan good privacy good?
06:57 cy1 khonkhortisan: heh. GNU Privacy Guard
06:57 khonkhortisan as opposed to pretty good privacy
07:04 cy1 Yeah.
07:04 cy1 It's a play on acronyms.
07:04 cy1 GPG is PGP
07:17 Aqua_ Anyone?
07:17 khonkhortisan you gained your _ again
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07:17 markveidemanis Hi
07:17 markveidemanis HI
07:17 Aqua_ someone already used Aqua
07:18 cy1 Aqua_: what?
07:18 ShiftyCake Can anyone help me?
07:18 cy1 I don't know. It depends on your question.
07:18 khonkhortisan Is it wise to help a shifty cake?
07:19 ShiftyCake I need help with lua
07:19 cy1 So do I.
07:19 cy1 That is however, not a qustion
07:19 Calinou haha
07:19 Calinou ShiftyCake: just ask
07:19 khonkhortisan markveidemanis, Hey, I'm in!
07:20 khonkhortisan oh. wrong server.
07:20 markveidemanis shall i keep moreblocks
07:20 ShiftyCake I completely screwed up my protectorplus mod none of it is working now :(
07:20 cy1 ok step 1) remove protect blocks
07:21 cy1 step 2) set up regular backups
07:21 cy1 off-site if possible
07:21 khonkhortisan github counts as off-site
07:21 cy1 step 3) take away interact from griefers
07:21 cy1 problem slolved.
07:21 cy1 khonkhortisan: you can put map.sqlite on github? o_O
07:22 khonkhortisan maybe in its uncompressed form
07:22 khonkhortisan oh. /me missed the name change
07:22 markveidemanis khonkhortisan:86.142.237.3
07:24 ShiftyCake might as well completely rewrite
07:25 markveidemanis too long to load media?
07:25 khonkhortisan ♬ I'm falling ♩ from a ♪ sliver in the sky ♫
07:25 markveidemanis let me remove moreblocks...
07:25 ShiftyCake whats that?
07:25 khonkhortisan markv's server looks like a modified skyblock
07:25 ShiftyCake khonkkhortisan: whats that?
07:26 khonkhortisan skyblock?
07:26 khonkhortisan or the music notes?
07:27 cy1 markveidemanis: port?
07:28 markveidemanis 30000
07:28 cy1 gotit
07:28 ShiftyCake nvrmind
07:29 cy1 I figured out how to reset parts of the map using sqlite3 <3
07:34 cy1 khonkhortisan: lag?
07:34 cy1 oh, his server died
07:34 khonkhortisan cy1, corrupted double-linked list
07:35 cy1 khonkhortisan: oh noes glibc up in your house
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07:36 markveidemanis_ hi, sorry- crashed
07:36 khonkhortisan hello markveidemanis, markveidemanis_
07:36 khonkhortisan server up?
07:37 markveidemanis_ ye
07:37 markveidemanis_ p
07:37 markveidemanis_ i gtg
07:38 markveidemanis_ vye
07:38 markveidemanis_ bye
07:40 cy1 yeah there's a server admin worth remembering...
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08:06 ShiftyCake Hello\
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08:29 markveidemanis hi
08:30 markveidemanis can someone plz send me the lyrics to "minecraft style"?
08:31 markveidemanis "HI?
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08:50 Matsetes Hi
08:50 Matsetes The new version crashes every times...
08:58 * OldCoder will return in a few hours
09:14 cy1 VanessaE: hey I was trying your textures, and set texture_path = /... in my minetest.conf file, but when I connect to a server it still uses the old textures.
09:20 cy1 oh, it's only the server that can set textures...
09:22 cy1 or, wait no that doesn't work either...
09:38 cy1 No, only the CLIENT has texture_path!
09:42 cy1 nehh I can get the Vanessa menu, but then it just crashes w/ bad_alloc
09:45 cy1 haha yeah those huge textures take 1.2 gig and then my computer is like NOPE
09:51 cy1 yayyy it workss
09:52 cy1 OH GOD IT'S HIDEOUS
09:53 Matsetes Someone knows the farming mod?
09:57 cy1 nice water texture, actually
09:57 cy1 Matsetes: hoe dirt for seeds and plant on it. Must be near water.
09:59 Matsetes Yes, cy1, but wasn'it a way to craft the pumpkins into something eatable
09:59 Matsetes ?
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10:44 brobostigon good morning everyone,
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11:00 thexyz should we move this http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1598 back to "modding general" as it currently doesn't fit guidelines?
11:00 moltenbot thexyz's link: [Modpack] MM2 [moved] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
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11:38 Taoki Yay, MineTest is 0.4.4 on the openSUSE repositories too :)
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11:42 markveidemanis hello
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11:51 markveidemanis HI
12:04 devlab Huh? i found some clay
12:05 devlab Taoki: What repository?
12:05 Taoki devlab: The official game repository for openSUSE
12:08 devlab the games OBS repo?
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12:10 Taoki OBS?
12:12 Taoki brb
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13:04 devlab hey Celeron
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13:09 zloy hello guys
13:09 zloy I want to compile the latest release of the minetest, but I receive the following problem: http://paste2.org/p/2585393
13:09 moltenbot zloy's link: Paste2 - Viewing Paste 2585393
13:10 zloy could somebody help me with it?
13:11 zloy the problem is in openal library, am I right?
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13:12 thexyz yes
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13:23 zloy ok, it compiled successfully, but from the game I received the following: http://paste2.org/p/2585429
13:23 moltenbot zloy's link: Paste2 - Viewing Paste 2585429
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13:34 markveidemanis HI
13:34 markveidemanis thexyz
13:34 thexyz hello
13:35 markveidemanis how do i make my ip stay the same if it changes? i dont really know how to explain
13:36 thexyz you can't
13:36 thexyz though you can use some service like no-ip.org
13:36 thexyz *no-ip.com
13:37 thexyz any dynamic DNS provider should be fine
13:37 markveidemanis what is it called?, something like dynamic ip?
13:37 markveidemanis ok
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13:42 markveidemanis anyone got some of the new mods?
13:49 devlab haha, i cleaned a cave of its resources, and it was a big cave
13:50 markveidemanis what new things does the building blocks add compared to the older release
13:53 markveidemanis HELLO?
14:01 devlab what's the point of Desert Stone?
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14:17 STHGOM allo mates!
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14:18 STHGOM Hello!
14:18 devlab sup?
14:19 STHGOM Im going to animate somthing in blender?
14:20 STHGOM Im going to talk with you?
14:20 STHGOM :D
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14:22 KikaRz Ohai!
14:22 KikaRz VanessaE, you there?
14:23 KikaRz PilzAdam, your boats got more handling?
14:23 KikaRz thats because in my track, i cant make a 90º rotation (in a curve of my track)
14:23 KikaRz OldCoder is off? Whyy?
14:23 KikaRz he is never offline
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14:36 STHGOM if anyone wants me say STHGOM
14:37 KikaRz STHGOM is gay.
14:37 KikaRz xd
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14:39 KikaRz IT's the Final Countdown!
14:40 KikaRz (tadunino.... taduninana... taduninoooo... taduninono
14:40 KikaRz :P
14:41 Final ...
14:41 Final Seriously?
14:41 KikaRz no
14:41 KikaRz the world finishes at 2012/12/21
14:41 KikaRz so...
14:41 KikaRz we make a final countdown
14:41 KikaRz '-'
14:41 Final To be all meta and cool beans; I've lost count of how many times I've lost count of people making that pun.
14:42 STHGOM :D
14:42 NekoGloop XD
14:42 KikaRz XD
14:42 KikaRz I'm too good for things.
14:42 KikaRz like...
14:42 KikaRz building, planning and discovering
14:42 KikaRz (demolishing is just for my enemies)
14:48 KikaRz so  NekoGloop, how are you?
14:50 KikaRz OMG
14:50 KikaRz I WAS ALMOST WRITTING HERE MY PASS
14:50 KikaRz MINETEST WASNT FOCUSED
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15:40 KikaRz how copper rails work?
15:40 KikaRz hi sfan5
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15:40 KikaRz sfan5, now i dont need your windows builds.-
15:40 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
15:41 KikaRz hi PilzAdam
15:41 KikaRz How Copper rails work?
15:41 sfan5 KikaRz: why?
15:41 KikaRz PilzAdam, im building now a mix of train
15:41 KikaRz sfan5, im now linux user
15:41 sfan5 oh ,nice!
15:41 KikaRz :)
15:42 KikaRz PilzAdam, can you tell me how they work?
15:42 NekoGloop now you use the second worst OS?
15:42 PilzAdam KikaRz, this question doesnt make sense
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15:43 thexyz NekoGloop: what is the first one?
15:44 NekoGloop thexyz: Mac
15:44 thexyz and the third..?
15:44 NekoGloop Windows
15:44 NekoGloop Windows > Linux > Mac
15:44 thexyz sure
15:45 thexyz except that linux is kernel
15:45 PilzAdam NekoGloop, you know that Microsoft copied code from Apple?
15:45 NekoGloop PilzAdam: yeah, the only good part of their code
15:45 KikaRz NekoGloop
15:45 KikaRz fuck you.ç
15:45 KikaRz your windows its the worst
15:46 thexyz celeron55: time to change antispam questions once again
15:46 KikaRz ok
15:46 KikaRz i give a idea.
15:46 KikaRz PilzAdam is... ?
15:46 KikaRz a) a minetest user
15:46 KikaRz b ) a pro programmer
15:46 KikaRz c ) both
15:46 NekoGloop Mushroom guy
15:46 KikaRz XD
15:46 KikaRz no
15:46 KikaRz and d) mushroom guy
15:46 KikaRz xd
15:47 KikaRz celeron55 is...
15:47 KikaRz a) the minetest creator
15:47 KikaRz b) the pizza boy
15:47 KikaRz c) Jeb's copy
15:47 NekoGloop b) a horrible programmer
15:47 PilzAdam b) would be nice
15:47 KikaRz d) horrible programmer
15:47 KikaRz now bye
15:47 KikaRz hasta 45 min
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15:48 Penguin hi
15:49 STHGOM hi
15:50 VanessaE hi all, just stopping by for a bit.
15:51 PilzAdam hi VanessaE
15:52 Penguin who made the industrial mod
15:53 VanessaE I will be leaving from here for a couple of days, the test server will be offline until I return (probability of thunderstorms).
15:54 VanessaE Penguin: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=692
15:54 moltenbot VanessaE's link: [Mod] Industrial Mod [0.0.7] [industrial] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
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16:02 Zeg9_ Hello
16:02 VanessaE hi zeg9
16:03 STHGOM hi Zeg9
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16:12 kaeza hello
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16:31 Jordach hey all
16:33 Zeg9 Hello
16:34 Jordach in about two hours, please do not HIGHLIGHT ME
16:36 * Jordach hates iOS6, Y U REMOVE YOUTUBE!
16:38 FreeFull Solution: never, ever use apple
16:38 Jordach FreeFull - better than the easy fall apart androids
16:38 Jordach (i dont count the SGS1/2/3)
16:39 Calinou * Jordach hates iOS6, Y U REMOVE YOUTUBE!
16:39 Calinou also, fun maps app!
16:39 Jordach yeah
16:39 Calinou makes underwater cars possible
16:39 Calinou also, farms in airports
16:39 Jordach they made a new shiny section called: Map Apps
16:39 * Jordach does not see GMAPS there
16:39 Calinou maps.google.com says so
16:40 Calinou it's more limited than the old maps app though
16:40 Jordach (in laymans terms, i held back the update until GMAPs and YoutTube came out)
16:40 Jordach 5.1.1 FTW
16:41 Jordach they say a loading bar stops working when you look at it
16:43 * Jordach can hear the rain coming down the chimney
16:47 thexyz any iOS device is useless without jailbreak
16:47 Jordach bullshit
16:47 Jordach "it does what i want it to"
16:47 * Jordach hates bricking devices
16:47 Jordach and voiding warranty
16:47 thexyz sure
16:47 thexyz you can't jailbreak your own device
16:48 Jordach thexyz - i would, but i dont want to be forced to fix all the shit it causes
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16:49 Jordach Linux User: "If it works, fuck with it until it breaks, fix it until said thing works, repeat."
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16:52 markveidemanis HELP
16:52 markveidemanis i need to make a nodebox
16:52 markveidemanis and failing
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16:53 Penguin hi
16:53 markveidemanis i need to register a node box with the wood texture
16:53 markveidemanis hi
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16:53 markveidemanis modder?, help
16:53 babyface1031 hi Penguin
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16:53 VanessaE bbl, time to head out.  Back in two days (or slightly less).
16:53 Penguin baby is this the one http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804
16:53 moltenbot Penguin's link: [Modpack] Industry Pack 0.1.1 (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
16:54 PilzAdam markveidemanis, have you read this http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2333 ?
16:54 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Basic node_box model examples (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
16:56 babyface1031 OldCoder: hi can you look into the industry mod i have it on my single player and it is really neat http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804
16:56 moltenbot babyface1031's link: [Modpack] Industry Pack 0.1.1 (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
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17:19 MiJyn hi
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17:21 babyface1031 hi
17:21 markveidemanis who will help me with my mod????
17:21 KikaRz VanessaE...
17:21 KikaRz markveidemanis, i dont.
17:21 KikaRz hi babyface1031
17:21 KikaRz its vanessaE servero n?
17:21 KikaRz *on
17:21 KikaRz PilzAdam
17:21 KikaRz do you have a server?
17:21 markveidemanis PilzAdam...
17:21 markveidemanis yep
17:22 KikaRz i can make some races of boat and cart
17:22 * PilzAdam doesnt have a server
17:22 KikaRz ok...
17:22 KikaRz :/
17:22 KikaRz but
17:22 KikaRz VanessaE's server is on?
17:22 markveidemanis idk
17:27 KikaRz ...
17:27 KikaRz stupid
17:27 KikaRz PilzAdam, is VanessaE's server is on?
17:28 PilzAdam why are you asking me?
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17:37 Jordach anyone want this texture pack converted for personal use? http://www.planetminecraft.com/texture_pack/64x132-dragon-dance-cartoon-rpg/
17:37 moltenbot Jordach's link: [64x][1.4.2] Dragon Dance, Cartoon RPG- Now supports Tekkit! Minecraft Texture Pack
17:37 Calinou no :P
17:39 Jordach Calinou - looks really nice
17:39 * Jordach almost had a heart attack when jordach used it for the first time
17:43 KikaRz Because you're the owner of Boats mod (PilzAdam)
17:43 KikaRz Tekkit?
17:43 KikaRz what tekkit?
17:43 KikaRz Calinou
17:43 KikaRz Jordach: THIS ISN'T MINECRAFT. YOU'RE BANNED!
17:43 KikaRz Jordach: THIS ISN'T MINECRAFT. YOU'RE BANNED!
17:43 KikaRz Jordach: THIS ISN'T MINECRAFT. YOU'RE BANNED!
17:44 KikaRz :@
17:44 KikaRz but anyways
17:44 Minetest-tan GIT: dannydark (DannyDark) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Fix glass step sound 4763fa635a 2012-12-10T09:43:12-08:00
17:44 KikaRz i want that texture
17:44 KikaRz cool... a git hub bot.
17:44 KikaRz first time that i see it
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17:45 KikaRz Who is DannyDark?
17:45 john_minetest Jordach: Is it your texture pack? because:
17:45 john_minetest "Don't put them in your pack, don't use them as a base, don't distribute this pack and pretend it's your own..."
17:45 KikaRz Yea!
17:45 Jordach john_minetest - i meant diy
17:45 KikaRz And it's for Minecraft.
17:45 PilzAdam KikaRz, i merged a commit of him
17:45 KikaRz who is dannydark , PilzAdam?
17:45 Jordach i did convert feathersong for InfinityProject just for him
17:45 john_minetest Jordach: so you make a new texture pack in the style of this one?
17:45 Jordach possibly
17:46 Jordach thats if minetest gets any faster XD
17:46 PilzAdam KikaRz, you may want to ask yourself who KikaRz is
17:46 KikaRz Its me
17:46 KikaRz Francizca Rodriguéz.
17:46 KikaRz (not spanish, but i born in spain. i live in portugal)
17:47 Calinou ty4name
17:47 KikaRz lol
17:47 KikaRz why do you want it?
17:47 KikaRz its ficticional
17:47 KikaRz XD
17:47 KikaRz well, my real name is... (i cant share with you.)
17:47 KikaRz BUT my gender is female
17:48 PilzAdam sure
17:48 KikaRz xd
17:48 KikaRz Calinou wanted my name
17:48 KikaRz so...
17:50 KikaRz 2012 Retrospective.
17:50 KikaRz http://br.noticias.yahoo.com/retrospectiva-2012-top-10-v%C3%ADdeos-da-web-005917042.html
17:50 moltenbot KikaRz's link: Retrospectiva 2012 - Top 10 videos da web - Yahoo! Noticias
17:51 KikaRz TOp 10 of more viewed videos
17:51 KikaRz of web
17:51 KikaRz 1 - Gangnam Style
17:52 Calinou true story
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17:56 babyface1031 hi OldCoder
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17:59 * Jordach hates the slow USB.2.0 connection for Syncing
17:59 Calinou who cares about USB 3
18:00 Calinou like wifi n, I didn't change my USB drives/external HDDs/routers when usb 3 came
18:00 Calinou and my desktop, from early 2012 does not support USB 3
18:00 * Jordach enters rage by clicking a link which opens IE
18:00 john_minetest Jeija?
18:00 Jordach 6
18:01 thexyz he probably have never heard about usb 1
18:02 Jordach thexyz - ask windows, thats what it thinks the ipad2 uses
18:03 Calinou since when the ipad has USB
18:03 * Calinou starts rumor: the ipad 5 will have USB port!
18:03 thexyz Jordach: do you have ipad2?
18:04 thexyz what do you use it for?
18:04 Jordach yes
18:04 Jordach personal use
18:04 Calinou tablets are overrated
18:05 Calinou my netbook beats an ipad 4 at glxgears, iOS can't run glxgears...
18:05 Jordach Calinou - Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
18:05 Jordach or the Google Nexus 7 / 10
18:05 thexyz at least they can run xscreensaver, http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/06/i-have-ported-xscreensaver-to-the-iphone/
18:06 thexyz s/Tab/Tab 2/
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18:06 Jordach oh gosh this headset is uncomfy
18:06 telek Calinou: USB3's benefit is in finally being able to utilize multiple usb devices through switches at up to their full bandwidth without slower devices making the whole chain slow.
18:06 Calinou google made a 10" tablet? didn't know ;)
18:06 Calinou telek: yeah, that too
18:07 thexyz Calinou: what about your netbook batterry's life time?
18:08 Calinou that is the downside, but who ACTUALLY stays away from an electricity source when using a tablet?
18:08 Jordach five mins playing minetest?
18:08 thexyz Calinou: i do
18:08 Calinou no, about 2.5 hours when playing MT
18:08 Calinou enough by far, and when plugged in it goes from 0% to 100% in like 1 hour
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18:09 Calinou also, I have a physical keyboard 8D makes it much easier to play MT :P
18:09 thexyz when travelling, at least
18:09 bulletrulz hi
18:10 marktraceur thexyz: You clearly need to buy a laptop, so you can charge your tablet. :)
18:10 Calinou charge it with the power of itself:!
18:10 Calinou -:
18:11 Jordach marktraceur - most tabs dont charge from usb
18:11 Jordach they need 12v+
18:11 Jordach not 4.5v
18:11 thexyz s/most tabs/ipad/
18:11 john_minetest just do it like technics mod in minetest: build a water engine, place block of water over it and voila: infinite energy!
18:12 Jordach that also works
18:12 Jordach also, soon water will not be endless and then it has to be re pumped up again for more energy
18:12 Jordach (or use a transport tube + pump = energy
18:12 Jordach )
18:13 KikaRz Gangnam Style...
18:13 john_minetest making energy to use a pump to transport water to drive a water mill to make energy.
18:13 KikaRz almost 1 bilion
18:13 john_minetest Oppa Gangnam Style beats Bieber!
18:13 Jordach we know
18:14 marktraceur Jordach: Doesn't USB3 or whatever the hell it was provide more power yet?
18:14 john_minetest that was a few weeks ago :D
18:14 KikaRz Opa Gaybie bieber.
18:14 KikaRz XD
18:14 KikaRz im making my christmas tree
18:14 Jordach <marktraceur> Jordach: Doesn't USB3 or whatever the hell it was provide more power yet? yes, but it could, but my pc is USB2
18:14 KikaRz i use USB3
18:14 KikaRz to use my wireless keyboard and mouse
18:14 KikaRz and my pen drive
18:14 marktraceur Jordach: Well, the statement stands, then. If thexyz gets a laptop with USB3, then he can use his tablet for long periods of time (e.g. plane)
18:15 KikaRz lol
18:15 KikaRz who got a server with boat, carts, mesecons, more blocks, more ores, etc?
18:15 KikaRz guys
18:15 Jordach in theory yes
18:15 KikaRz how i make to my computer dont get bugged?
18:15 KikaRz like
18:16 telek There's a boat mod, or you just mean the raft mod?
18:16 KikaRz that black thing
18:16 telek And what's the status on mining carts now anyways?
18:16 KikaRz no, its boat mod
18:16 KikaRz ask to PilzAdam
18:16 KikaRz my computer gets black
18:16 KikaRz with battery something
18:16 KikaRz battery lock
18:16 KikaRz or something
18:16 KikaRz like a glitch
18:16 KikaRz but my mouse works
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18:17 KikaRz i guess its from the screen ... (proteção de ecrã)
18:17 Calinou i thought your computer was a desktop...
18:17 KikaRz yep it is
18:17 Calinou oh
18:17 KikaRz not laptop
18:17 KikaRz its desktop
18:17 KikaRz i guess its from screen protection
18:17 KikaRz or something
18:17 KikaRz that thing that when gets some time... goes black and passes some images
18:17 KikaRz etc
18:18 Jordach i just found bullshit in the itunes store!
18:18 Jordach DRM FREE
18:18 KikaRz what bullshit?
18:18 PilzAdam not that hard
18:18 KikaRz PilzAdam, can you check if the VanessaE's server is on?
18:18 * Jordach realises that .bmp images are large and slow to upload
18:18 PilzAdam IP?
18:18 Calinou apple, no DRM, seems legit, I wonder how did they even do that...
18:18 OldCoder babyface1031, Hi!
18:19 Calinou Jordach: why use bmp when you can use png?
18:19 PilzAdam !up 24.181.193.82
18:19 moltenbot Minetest server 24.181.193.82:30000 DOWN
18:19 Jordach PilzAdam http://i.imgur.com/fKYIT.png#
18:19 PilzAdam KikaRz, seems to be down
18:19 KikaRz :/
18:19 KikaRz i cant continue my boat race
18:19 KikaRz :'(
18:19 Calinou no serials for me! D:
18:19 KikaRz can you host a server for me? to continue it?
18:19 PilzAdam Jordach, the whole Apple thing is bullshit so not hard to find bullshit in bullshit
18:19 Calinou Jordach: btw, google play does the same thing for free if you want to do it... no need to pay
18:19 Jordach can you find a cowpat in bullshit
18:19 Calinou ;P
18:20 KikaRz changing linux theme
18:20 PilzAdam Linux is a Kernel
18:20 PilzAdam how to change a Kernel's theme?
18:20 KikaRz no
18:20 Calinou poor unity only has 4 themes (with 2 being high contrast)
18:20 KikaRz the Ubuntu theme
18:20 Calinou xfce ftw ;D
18:20 KikaRz *Kubuntu
18:20 KikaRz *xubuntu!!!
18:20 KikaRz ...
18:20 Calinou PilzAdam: make it play a different music when booting
18:20 Calinou i know
18:21 thexyz PilzAdam: you know, those penguins who show up during boot
18:21 KikaRz so pretty...
18:21 KikaRz beautiful...
18:22 KikaRz why XChat bar icon got black ...
18:22 KikaRz black background?
18:23 KikaRz my screensaver was b ugging my pc
18:23 KikaRz i guess.
18:23 KikaRz fucking disabled.
18:24 KikaRz PilzAdam
18:24 KikaRz what i do now?
18:24 KikaRz :(
18:25 PilzAdam read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
18:25 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
18:25 KikaRz no thanks
18:25 KikaRz what i do now (without being kernel things)
18:25 KikaRz *without reading
18:25 KikaRz FAAAAIL
18:26 PilzAdam you cant do much if you say you dont want to read
18:26 PilzAdam you cant play MT
18:29 PilzAdam KikaRz, is that too much reading? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d7-qnFk_sk
18:29 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: What is Linux? - YouTube
18:31 PilzAdam if you dont want to read that much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JDIW8syi3Y
18:31 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Introduction to Linux Series - What is Linux - YouTube
18:34 NakedFury is there a 6.0.1 untethered jailbrake icrap user here?
18:35 * marktraceur is glad there are brakes on the jails in this country
18:37 hmmmm xchat pseudotransparency is worked around in xfce as of 4.10
18:37 PilzAdam KikaRz, if you like eggs with beart: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gCwCOhMcog
18:37 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Introduction to Linux - YouTube
18:37 hmmmm it's actually an Xorg library bug that's never been fixed
18:42 Calinou hmmmm: compositing, slowing down games since 1998(R)
18:42 telek hmmmm: Not the first bug that hasn't... (Like support for pseudocolor visuals in anything post-Xorg/XFree split)
18:42 Calinou hmmmm: alt+mouse wheel on xchat's window title
18:42 Calinou works for me (when compositing is on)
18:43 hmmmm calinou, we're talking about xchat's built in pseudotransparency in the main text box, not using the compositor to set the opacity of the entire window
18:43 Calinou ah
18:45 markveidemanis are you there
18:48 devlab wow, can seeds be configured?
18:49 Taoki http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=55888 I want graphics like this in MineTeeeeeest ;(
18:49 moltenbot Taoki's link: GLSL Shaders (Page 1) - Feature Discussion - Minetest Forums
18:49 Calinou fixed_map_seed = seed_number_here (eg. 128938)
18:49 Calinou do that before creating a map
18:49 Taoki and hi :)
18:49 Calinou (put in minetest.conf)
18:49 Calinou hi Taoki
18:49 PilzAdam hi Taoki
18:49 PilzAdam Taoki, is there a way for Lua entities to get attached players?
18:50 Taoki PilzAdam: Sure thing. I posted about that in the lua api file, players and lua entities can be attached to either of the two
18:50 FreeFull Taoki: The performance improvements are really CPU-wise, so it shouldn't really affect how well shaders run
18:50 Taoki I think it's set_attach(parent, vector position, vector rotation)
18:50 Taoki Erm no,
18:50 Calinou https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/340 < breaks whole purpose of shaders currently (minus the water)
18:50 moltenbot Calinou's link: Make shader-less lighting look better (darken sides instead of brightening top side) by Calinou ? Pull Request #340 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
18:50 PilzAdam oh, the question was wrong
18:50 Taoki set_attach(object parent, string bone, vector position, vector rotation)
18:51 Taoki PilzAdam: ^
18:51 Taoki If not attaching to a bone then use "" for bone
18:51 devlab lol, seed: 829634675458991180 is my current seed, and it's an awesome seed
18:51 PilzAdam I mean: is there a way for Lua entities to get the players that are attached to it
18:52 Taoki PilzAdam: A function to read children was not added. BVut that should be possible by persisting each player in a list in the lua script when it gets attached
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18:52 Taoki So when you do set_attach you add that player's name to a list, and when you do set_detach remove it. That should work unless it's a more complicated script and that fails
18:53 PilzAdam I do it like this
18:53 PilzAdam I just was looking for a better way to do it
18:53 Taoki FreeFull: That's good. Performance improvements are needed for the CPU side primarily... since even before shaders were in MineTest works very slow with large draw distance
18:53 Taoki ok. Sadly no such function so no
18:54 NakedFury what are the future plans for equipment in minetest? any idea?
18:55 PilzAdam Taoki, just want to clear things: https://github.com/PilzAdam/carts/commit/6611c74bda5ffff8b50bd4c0a9dc88d32bd70598
18:55 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Remove a TODO ?  6611c74 ? PilzAdam/carts ? GitHub
18:55 Taoki Well, you can hold items in your hand, and eventually there will be support for armor. Don't know about anything else
18:55 Taoki PilzAdam: What does that line do?
18:56 PilzAdam it stores the driver of the cart
18:57 Taoki oh, ok. Yeah I think that will remain needed
18:57 Taoki To store it in lua
19:00 KikaRz back
19:00 KikaRz my christmas tree is done
19:01 KikaRz who can make a brightness system for minetest?
19:01 marktraceur KikaRz: What did you baste it with?
19:04 KikaRz baste?
19:04 KikaRz the mining its too dificult
19:04 KikaRz without loight
19:04 KikaRz *light
19:04 KikaRz (not with torches
19:04 PilzAdam there is a brightness system in Minetest
19:05 KikaRz wh ere?
19:05 PilzAdam everywhere
19:05 KikaRz ...
19:05 KikaRz not that
19:05 marktraceur KikaRz: Do you mean wielded light sources?
19:05 KikaRz a brightness adjuster
19:05 marktraceur Oh. Christ.
19:05 marktraceur KikaRz: It's called your monitor settings.
19:06 KikaRz ...
19:06 KikaRz f*
19:06 KikaRz i cant put brightness to 100
19:06 KikaRz its at 70%
19:06 KikaRz more than that...
19:06 KikaRz (OH, MY EYES!
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19:07 telek Heh
19:07 KikaRz ok
19:07 KikaRz going to play
19:07 KikaRz which server i should use
19:07 KikaRz ?
19:07 KikaRz OH! TELEK! YOURE BACK!
19:07 KikaRz *__*
19:07 PilzAdam localhost
19:07 KikaRz I MISSED YOU SO MUCH
19:07 * telek snickers :D
19:07 KikaRz PilzAdam, i hate singleplayer.
19:07 KikaRz ,making a massage to my cat
19:07 marktraceur KikaRz: I suppose you could change your default mod to emit light at a low level from *every node*, but that would get annoying
19:08 telek I made a comment earlier and you didn't even notice :D
19:08 KikaRz nope ,
19:08 KikaRz that was too much to see
19:08 KikaRz telek
19:08 KikaRz may i create a server to our two?
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19:09 KikaRz i forgot Muadtalk's server
19:09 KikaRz i forgot Muadtr*alk's server
19:09 telek Does lightin start out black, or does it start out at some offset value based on the current time of day?
19:09 KikaRz ???
19:09 telek kikarz: minetest.sytes.net 30004, but it was down last time I tried.
19:10 telek Erm 30001
19:10 KikaRz Oh
19:10 KikaRz yea
19:10 KikaRz OldCoder is offline
19:10 KikaRz what happened with him? :'(
19:10 telek OC?
19:10 KikaRz yea
19:10 KikaRz he's the hoster
19:10 telek He said soemthing about being gone for a week, I think.
19:10 KikaRz ok, go to m13's server
19:10 KikaRz m13.servegame.com:30001
19:11 KikaRz idk if its 0.4.4
19:11 marktraceur Lucky guy
19:11 marktraceur Not having to deal with Minetest people.
19:11 marktraceur Why do I keep coming back here?
19:11 KikaRz !up m13.servegame.com
19:11 moltenbot Minetest server m13.servegame.com:30000 DOWN
19:11 KikaRz not 30000
19:11 KikaRz its 30001
19:11 KikaRz !up m13.servegame.com:30001
19:11 moltenbot Minetest server m13.servegame.com:30001:30000 DOWN
19:11 KikaRz fail
19:11 KikaRz !up m13.servegame.com 30001
19:11 moltenbot Minetest server m13.servegame.com:30001 DOWN
19:11 KikaRz its down?
19:11 KikaRz but im joining
19:11 mauvebic joined #minetest
19:11 khonkhortisan !up m13.servegame.com 30001!
19:11 moltenbot Minetest server m13.servegame.com:30001! UP
19:11 khonkhortisan haha
19:11 PilzAdam marktraceur, builtin/item.lua line 403: change 0 to 14
19:11 KikaRz ! ?
19:11 KikaRz ah
19:11 KikaRz server
19:11 khonkhortisan sudo tell me it's up
19:12 KikaRz server versions
19:12 OldCoder Hi
19:12 KikaRz OldCoder???
19:12 KikaRz WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU?
19:12 OldCoder I am not gone!
19:12 OldCoder at all!
19:12 OldCoder :D
19:12 KikaRz YAAAAAY!
19:12 OldCoder A month ago I said a week away
19:12 OldCoder I don't think that will happen
19:12 KikaRz so?
19:12 OldCoder To the contrary 0.4.4 updates happen this week
19:12 Taoki OldCoder: Hi :)
19:12 OldCoder Taoki, Hi!
19:12 KikaRz where is your stupid OP?
19:12 KikaRz :P
19:12 KikaRz kidding, its not stupid
19:13 Taoki OldCoder: Did you manage to integrate levelDB with 0.4.4 so you can update your server to the latest changes?
19:13 OldCoder I will turn it on later
19:13 OldCoder Taoki, thexyz and RealBadAngel have helped with that
19:13 OldCoder So, yes
19:13 Taoki Awesome!
19:13 telek OC: Oh, I thought you'd just said that a day or two ago.
19:13 OldCoder Everything is expected to work out
19:13 Taoki Nice to see how europe.minetest.org looks with player models :)
19:13 OldCoder telek, thanks... I don't recall saying it. But presently I am busy and not away at all.
19:14 OldCoder Taoki, You will see, to be sure
19:14 OldCoder And I will build clients
19:14 OldCoder My understanding is that network speed may improve too
19:14 Taoki OldCoder: A little. I added a change so players who are perfectly still use no bandwidth
19:14 OldCoder I *did* sleep late today
19:15 OldCoder Taoki, yes. Is that integrated into upstream or is there a pull I should patch in?
19:15 Taoki Like only send position to the server when someching changes locally (either the player moved, looked in another direction, or pressed / unpressed a new key
19:15 OldCoder Yep
19:15 Taoki Previously all players were sending data, now idle players will make things cheaper
19:15 Taoki It is before 0.4.4
19:15 Taoki So that means it's in
19:15 OldCoder Very well
19:16 KikaRz who got a boats, mesecons, rails, carts, technic (if possible), moreblocks and others?
19:16 marktraceur KikaRz: You do!
19:16 KikaRz yea, offline.
19:17 marktraceur Not if you give out your IP!
19:17 Taoki marktraceur: Hi
19:17 telek Lol @ mt
19:17 marktraceur Taoki: Howdy, what's up?
19:17 Taoki marktraceur: How is that campaign to raise funds for MineTest going? I assume not too well from what I seen :(
19:17 Taoki Not much
19:17 marktraceur Taoki: Yeah, I sort of let it fizzle. People don't seem into it.
19:17 KikaRz give me that mod pack
19:18 Taoki OldCoder: Oh. 0.4.4 also has a congestion management code, which should make logins faster. Still slow for me to connect to europe.minetest.org but otherwise it is faster
19:18 * Taoki nods
19:18 KikaRz im not with patience to install them all
19:18 marktraceur Taoki: I'm optimistic that with multiple games, a wider method of advertisement, and support from others, it would be more possible to successfully complete a campaign. I just can't do that right now.
19:18 Taoki yeah, that would be nice
19:19 OldCoder Taoki, I look forward to trying it
19:20 Taoki Heh, I can tell celeron55 is also from Europe. The minetest forum is extremely fast for me (I click refresh and it instantly reloads, nearly like a local page)
19:20 Taoki OldCoder: Alwo, we have shaders! They aren't used for a lot but soon we might have detailed post-processing and visuals :D
19:20 OldCoder :-)
19:21 Taoki http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=55888 I wanna se MineTest look like this!
19:21 moltenbot Taoki's link: GLSL Shaders (Page 1) - Feature Discussion - Minetest Forums
19:21 OldCoder Taoki, This still reverts to 2D if there are no 3D models. Correct?
19:21 OldCoder I wish to keep some worlds with the fun 2D drawings
19:21 thexyz minetest.net is hosted in Hetzner, Germany
19:21 Taoki OldCoder: Yes. A lua script sets players to 3D. If not it uses the old ones
19:21 OldCoder Thank you
19:21 OldCoder player*.lua IIRC
19:22 Taoki But that script is default in minetest_game with the default player mesh
19:22 OldCoder k
19:22 KikaRz that are minecraft pics
19:22 KikaRz http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=55888
19:22 moltenbot KikaRz's link: GLSL Shaders (Page 1) - Feature Discussion - Minetest Forums
19:22 Taoki Yes, the script is player.lua. If you want the old players you can simply remove it, nothing sets the 3D players then
19:22 Taoki Hope you keep them on europe.minetest.org and minetest.org though
19:22 Taoki KikaRz: I know. But I'd like to see something similar in MT
19:23 KikaRz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8_gZr8n3_s&amp;list=PLDD96697C6463DBCE&amp;index=2
19:23 moltenbot KikaRz's link: Optimus - Aldeia Global - Pastor - YouTube
19:23 KikaRz Thats funny
19:23 KikaRz Anda barrinha (go on bar )
19:23 KikaRz that ads bar
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19:23 KikaRz on youtube
19:23 Jordach wow, working with mito551 for a lets play was really good
19:23 KikaRz cachopo = boy
19:23 KikaRz Hey, i can participate too ? *_*
19:24 KikaRz but no mic
19:24 KikaRz xd
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19:28 KikaRz markveidemanis.
19:28 markveidemanis yes?
19:28 KikaRz > cd ..
19:28 KikaRz > half
19:28 KikaRz > halt
19:28 KikaRz > cd minetest
19:28 markveidemanis ?
19:29 Penguin joined #minetest
19:29 KikaRz insert that commands :P
19:29 KikaRz Hi Penguin
19:29 Penguin hi
19:29 KikaRz your game sucks.
19:29 markveidemanis ive already complled
19:29 Penguin Mine?
19:29 KikaRz Yea. Super Tux 2.
19:29 KikaRz 0.3.3
19:29 Penguin Me?
19:29 KikaRz yea
19:29 KikaRz you're tux
19:29 Jordach PilzAdam, should I fork simple_mods to have 3d monsters?
19:29 KikaRz or not?
19:29 Penguin No?
19:29 Jordach s/mods/mobs
19:29 KikaRz you will be rested.
19:30 KikaRz by unpersonification
19:30 KikaRz http://www.transformice.com/?salon=392392
19:30 KikaRz i love that
19:30 Penguin Link Me TO Good Mods People
19:31 KikaRz mesecon.tk
19:31 Penguin Naa Have it any more
19:32 PilzAdam Jordach, I will merge it if its good
19:32 Jordach it will be the sand, stone, dirt and dungeon masters using the character model
19:32 KikaRz ok, so...
19:32 KikaRz Boats mod.
19:32 Jordach (maybe the oerkki?)
19:32 PilzAdam the character model?
19:32 KikaRz oerkki sucks.
19:32 PilzAdam why not create a new model?
19:32 KikaRz i prefer Creeper.
19:32 Jordach because the monsters were the player skin before
19:33 Penguin like to monster mod that works please
19:34 KikaRz i can create some textures.
19:34 KikaRz problem is oerkki...
19:34 KikaRz or not.
19:34 KikaRz we can make 3d textures in transparent
19:34 KikaRz or not?
19:34 Penguin Link to Mobs Mod That works please
19:34 KikaRz Penguin, i prefer Boats mod.
19:34 telek Penguin: Is there one? :D
19:34 KikaRz yes
19:34 KikaRz there is
19:35 Penguin link
19:35 KikaRz simple_mobs
19:35 telek I kept getting crashes with either of the mob mods out there.
19:35 KikaRz search
19:35 KikaRz google is for that.
19:36 KikaRz http://lmgtfy.com/?q=simple_mobs+Minetest+Forum
19:36 moltenbot KikaRz's link: Let me google that for you
19:37 Penguin lol
19:37 KikaRz Or just enter: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/viewmod.php?id=40 / https://github.com/PilzAdam/mobs/wiki / https://github.com/PilzAdam/mobs/zipball/master
19:37 moltenbot KikaRz's link: View mod - Simple Mobs - Minetest Extensions
19:37 KikaRz 3 sites
19:37 KikaRz you happy?
19:39 KikaRz who can give me youtube music downloader?
19:39 PilzAdam apt-get install minitube
19:40 KikaRz or... ?
19:40 telek kikarz: movgrab or youtube-dl
19:40 KikaRz Thank you telek.
19:40 telek Not graphical though
19:40 KikaRz can i download the 3 ?
19:40 telek Is minitube graphial?
19:40 KikaRz i know telek
19:40 telek Yep
19:40 KikaRz idk
19:40 PilzAdam telek, MiniTube has a GUI
19:40 telek apt-get install movgrab youtube-dl minitube
19:40 KikaRz fuck this terminal
19:40 telek PilzAdam: Neat.
19:41 PilzAdam its actually a "client" for youtube
19:41 telek Ahh neat.
19:41 OldCoder PilzAdam, telek Read the credits for movgrab
19:41 OldCoder :D
19:41 OldCoder <--- Is in the credits
19:42 telek kikarz: Every time someone using a *nix curses the terminal, another virgin nerd dies.
19:42 KikaRz ok
19:42 KikaRz ill not download movgrab
19:42 OldCoder Oh
19:42 OldCoder Thought you mentioned movgrab as opposed to minitube
19:42 KikaRz telek, no problem
19:42 OldCoder My mistake; I contributed to one but not the other
19:42 KikaRz not my problem
19:42 KikaRz it was youtube
19:42 telek OC: Ahh.
19:42 KikaRz *terminal
19:42 telek Ahh ok :D
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19:43 KikaRz E: Não foi possível encontrar o pacote movgrab
19:43 KikaRz better.
19:43 KikaRz It couldn't be possible to find the package movgrab
19:43 KikaRz cool!
19:43 telek OldCoder: I did mention movgrab :D I actually don't think I've used it though :)
19:43 telek And yeah doesn't appear ubuntu has it in it's regular repositories.
19:43 OldCoder It is Colum's project; pretty good
19:44 OldCoder He and I have talked about getting it into the repos
19:44 OldCoder It is easy to build
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19:44 KikaRz Hahahah
19:45 KikaRz one question
19:45 KikaRz +18.
19:45 KikaRz who wants to answer me
19:45 KikaRz go in quot
19:45 KikaRz there are kids here
19:46 marktraceur KikaRz: Was there a question in there?
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19:46 KikaRz yep
19:47 KikaRz kids, put your hands in your eyes.
19:47 KikaRz this gonna be deadly
19:47 KikaRz <MiJyn> whats the question?
19:47 KikaRz xd
19:47 MiJyn if it's inappropriate, don't even ask it
19:47 MiJyn if it isn't, why don't you ask it?
19:48 PilzAdam remember how this channel is called
19:48 MiJyn yes exactly
19:48 telek Random question: Who here would apply online to a job over an unencrypted link?\
19:48 telek IE http instead of https, not like vpn or something.
19:48 john_minetest wait, this isn't the #inappropriate&insult channel?
19:48 marktraceur telek: Seems like a terrible idea.
19:48 MiJyn telek, depends how critical the information is... if everyone knows the info you are about to give, then why not
19:49 marktraceur MiJyn: You usually need to include....well, everything
19:49 telek Yeah. I haven't seen SSN required yet, but it's a 5 page app and you can't skip between pages.
19:49 MiJyn oh
19:49 telek SSN is the american tax ID, but it's used for *EVERYTHING*
19:49 john_minetest if the ones where you apply don't offer an encrypted link i would prefer snail-mail.
19:49 MiJyn ask them if there is an SSL version of it
19:50 telek john_minetest: Most places don't even accept paper apps anymore.
19:50 john_minetest telek: lol. really? didn'T know that.
19:50 telek MiJyn: Nope, it's the web administration port :)
19:51 MiJyn telek, oh
19:51 telek john_minetest: Yep. Only place in the past 5ish years that has had a paper app was 7-11
19:51 telek Oh wait, and Taco Bell.
19:51 telek But given how many apps they 'lost' on me....
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19:53 KikaRz my linux had a problem
19:53 telek PEBKAC.
19:53 KikaRz ...
19:53 KikaRz not LINUX
19:53 KikaRz ITS XUBUNTU!
19:53 telek Lol.
19:53 telek The problem has been diagnosed as 'PEBKAC'.
19:53 telek Please google :)
19:54 marktraceur KikaRz: What happened? Kernel panic?
19:54 KikaRz ...
19:54 KikaRz no
19:54 marktraceur KikaRz: What was the problem?
19:55 KikaRz lmgtfy.com/?q=PEBKAC+problem
19:55 khonkhortisan http://lmgtfy.com/?q=PEBKAC+problem
19:55 moltenbot khonkhortisan's link: Let me google that for you
19:55 marktraceur KikaRz: That doesn't answer my question
19:56 KikaRz it searches me it
19:56 KikaRz mother...
19:56 KikaRz GRRRR
19:56 khonkhortisan what problem did xubuntu have?
19:56 KikaRz PEBKAC ("Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair")
19:56 KikaRz when my pc lags
19:56 KikaRz and starts processing faster
19:56 KikaRz it breaks
19:57 marktraceur KikaRz: "breaks" is not very exact. What happens?
19:57 KikaRz i cant move mouse / keyboard etc
19:57 KikaRz it freezes.
19:57 KikaRz then, when it goes back
19:57 KikaRz its like, nothing happened
19:57 KikaRz the Net goes down
19:57 PilzAdam magic SysRQ
19:58 telek kikarz: Laptop or Desktop?
19:58 KikaRz Laptop
19:58 KikaRz its frequent
19:58 KikaRz in this pc
19:58 telek Try blowing in the intake vent and see if a bunch of dust floats out.
19:58 thexyz REISUB
19:59 PilzAdam REISUO
19:59 khonkhortisan don't breathe it in. It makes me sneeze
19:59 KikaRz when i had windows, same happened
19:59 KikaRz i opened  it
19:59 KikaRz and seen a lot of cotton , etc
19:59 telek If so you need some compressed air, a toothpick (maybe a couple). Shut it down, carefully place toothpicks in the fans so they won't spin (overspinning them can damage the bearings causing them to fail), then blow out with compressed air.
19:59 KikaRz already.
19:59 khonkhortisan I never knew about REISUB
19:59 telek How recently?
20:00 KikaRz telek
20:00 KikaRz since i received it
20:00 telek Cute, regarding REISUB
20:00 KikaRz at 1 year ago
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20:00 khonkhortisan Is that reisub in my windowmanager's keyboard layout, the text mode layout, or the default one?
20:01 telek Kikarz: You should clean it out at least quarterly and preferably monthly.
20:01 KikaRz already.
20:01 telek Oh you already did?
20:01 KikaRz i did that at 2 weeks ago
20:01 KikaRz khonkhortisan
20:02 KikaRz While holding those down, type the following keys in order, several seconds apart: REISUB; Computer should reboot.
20:02 KikaRz You must be kidding me
20:02 telek kikarz: Might be the thermal paste drying out then.
20:02 KikaRz i didnt added a thermal paste.
20:02 telek You can get away with ALT-SYSRQ SSS B
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20:02 KikaRz what away
20:02 KikaRz ?
20:02 telek kikarz: If it's a laptop it still generally has paste between the heatsink and processor.
20:02 KikaRz going to add.
20:03 KikaRz idk how i add it
20:03 Jordach oh god
20:03 telek The stuff is only rated for a couple years of operation, so it can dry out and either act as an insulator or simply not transfer heat efficiently (depending on the type.)
20:03 * Jordach might turn the pc off to check, since jordach has dealt with this before
20:04 telek ??
20:04 telek Overheating?
20:04 Jordach OldCoder - good afternoob
20:04 Jordach noon
20:04 KikaRz lol
20:04 KikaRz afternoob
20:05 KikaRz after it was noob
20:05 KikaRz now its nerd
20:05 KikaRz xd
20:05 Jordach telek - my last pc died because of a overclock + no heat paster
20:05 KikaRz going to eat soap.
20:05 telek Jordach ouch.
20:05 KikaRz ( i hate soap)
20:05 Jordach telek - the p4 gpu helped too
20:05 telek kikarz: Somebody finally decided to wash out that foul mouth of yours, eh? :D
20:05 Jordach the textures glitched like crazy
20:05 khonkhortisan_ joined #minetest
20:06 telek Jordach: P4s did that.
20:06 KikaRz lol
20:06 KikaRz telek
20:06 khonkhortisan_ I don't think I did it quite right, but it worked. I'm suprised I didn't know about that
20:06 MiJyn @telek, I think /ignore is the best way lol
20:06 KikaRz i received this pc... at 1 / 2 years ago
20:06 KikaRz at 1 / 2 years ago
20:06 Jordach MiJyn - i said that weeks ago
20:06 telek My parents killed a brand new one I put together for them a few years back in like 6 months to a year thanks to not religiously cleaning the dust out.
20:06 Jordach and this aint twitter
20:06 KikaRz it was almsot burning
20:06 mauvebic my p4 still works
20:06 KikaRz it looked like a plane
20:06 telek Heck same problem is probably going to happen with their current system.
20:06 KikaRz it made so much sound
20:06 mauvebic but ive had to change the PSU, the ram, the hard drive, the graphics card, the BIOS battery, uhm, what else
20:06 MiJyn Jordach, yeah
20:06 khonkhortisan_ telek, and I thought _I_ had lots of dust
20:07 KikaRz at 9 months, i cleaned it, it was constantly making noise
20:07 telek Then I'm just going to hook them up with a 60 dollar chinese android adapter for the TV and make them surf on that :D
20:07 KikaRz then, before cleaning it...
20:07 KikaRz done
20:07 KikaRz no more noise
20:07 KikaRz and the lags, stopped.
20:07 KikaRz brb
20:07 telek khonkhortisan_: Yeah I've never figured out why, but the place is full of it.
20:07 telek kikarz: Ok.
20:11 khonkhortisan_ yuck, sysrq is in qwerty
20:11 khonkhortisan_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
20:11 moltenbot khonkhortisan_'s link: Magic SysRq key - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
20:13 OldCoder Jordach, Hi
20:16 sema4 any modding API experts on now?
20:18 marktraceur sema4: Probably! Ask your question :)
20:19 sema4 well, i am trying to discern the intended function of paramtype="light" in minetest.register_node()
20:21 sema4 it seems to be necessary when using nodetype="nodebox"
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20:22 sema4 otherwise the contents of the nodebox are rendered in black
20:22 PilzAdam do you need it in a special situation?
20:23 sema4 well, ideally i do not want to use it, since it seems to cause undersirable lighting effects
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20:23 PilzAdam yea, its kinda annyoing that you have to use it when using nodeboxes
20:23 PilzAdam but its due to the design of Minetest's lighting system
20:23 sema4 hmm
20:24 khonkhortisan it's
20:24 KikaRzSOAPDINNER yea
20:24 KikaRzSOAPDINNER and?
20:24 KikaRzSOAPDINNER its with print screen
20:24 sema4 is it do do with visibility of surfaces within the boundng box?
20:24 KikaRzSOAPDINNER !up minetest.lol.net:30001!
20:24 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.lol.net:30001!:30000 DOWN
20:24 khonkhortisan ^ LongyLongName
20:24 KikaRzSOAPDINNER xd
20:24 KikaRzSOAPDINNER kidding
20:25 KikaRzSOAPDINNER LOOOL!"
20:25 KikaRzSOAPDINNER forgot to remove the name
20:25 KikaRz im back
20:25 * marktraceur should have ignored her long ago
20:25 khonkhortisan !up mt1.gameboom.net:30000¡
20:25 moltenbot Minetest server mt1.gameboom.net:30000¡:30000 DOWN
20:25 khonkhortisan ?
20:26 PilzAdam sema4, IIRC, Minetest saves the light at the corners of a node; when using nodeboxes this system cant tell wich boxes have to be lit up
20:26 khonkhortisan it takes out an exclamation point, but not an upside-down one
20:26 KikaRz guys
20:26 sema4 ok that makes sense
20:26 KikaRz in minitube, how i play videos?
20:26 KikaRz i need to download them?
20:27 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, KikaRz, the correct syntax is: !up IP port
20:27 KikaRz downloading all parodys
20:27 KikaRz i know pilzadam
20:27 KikaRz someone got ! on the end of it
20:27 KikaRz with :
20:27 KikaRz and worked
20:27 KikaRz !up m13.servegame.com:30001!
20:27 moltenbot Minetest server m13.servegame.com:30001!:30000 DOWN
20:27 KikaRz like taht
20:27 khonkhortisan it works with !up IP:port! too
20:27 KikaRz !up m13.servegame.com 30001!
20:27 moltenbot Minetest server m13.servegame.com:30001! UP
20:27 khonkhortisan oh
20:27 KikaRz that
20:27 khonkhortisan it worked before
20:27 KikaRz !up m13.servegame.com 30000!
20:27 moltenbot Minetest server m13.servegame.com:30000! DOWN
20:27 KikaRz !up m13.servegame.com 30004!
20:27 moltenbot Minetest server m13.servegame.com:30004! DOWN
20:27 KikaRz !up m13.servegame.com 30001!
20:27 moltenbot Minetest server m13.servegame.com:30001! UP
20:27 KikaRz ok
20:28 KikaRz what ! does?
20:28 PilzAdam sema4, leave as fast as you can; botwar ahead
20:28 khonkhortisan gets ignored
20:28 marktraceur Boy, with RealBadAngel, KikaRz, and the bots all ignored, I'm not sure I'll ever see activity in here.
20:29 marktraceur It's wonderful!
20:29 sema4 marktraceur: only topical conent!
20:29 khonkhortisan channels are too quiet to quiet anyone
20:29 KikaRz ...
20:29 KikaRz stupid marktraceur.
20:29 PilzAdam gtg; bye
20:29 KikaRz yea
20:29 KikaRz if we ignore everyone in channels...
20:29 marktraceur khonkhortisan: I would be worried about that if this channel hadn't been a constant source of irritation since the bots and KikaRz joined
20:30 KikaRz marktraceur, ... you too stupid
20:30 dizzyone joined #minetest
20:30 KikaRz you dont know that i write in keyboard without looking at screen and at it.
20:30 KikaRz and i dont think in what im goign to write
20:30 KikaRz thats why
20:31 KikaRz where are the videos downloadeds of Minitube saved at?
20:32 khonkhortisan you could download the video directly from youtube
20:32 KikaRz :(
20:32 khonkhortisan oh. download button. Never mind.
20:32 KikaRz cant download.
20:33 khonkhortisan if you have firefox you can
20:34 sema4 ok so the necessity for 'paramtype="light"' on a nodebox is due to a known behaviour of minetest engine that is not easily fixed at that time; great.  so my second question was -- what SHOULD paramtype="light" do on a normal node, does it indicate that the node is a light source?
20:34 Penguin joined #minetest
20:34 OldCoder Penguin, hi
20:34 Penguin hi
20:34 KikaRz Error downloading http://r12---sn-apn7en7z.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?upn=870QbynnST8&amp;sparams=cp...
20:34 KikaRz server replied: Forbidden
20:34 khonkhortisan it was used on mesecon note blocks, and made light pass through them. Building a box of them doesn't make it dark inside.
20:35 Penguin urm me and baby face want the industral pack on the server its a mod shall i like it ?
20:35 KikaRz i know making musics
20:35 KikaRz on note blocks
20:35 khonkhortisan it sounds like you and baby face like it
20:35 KikaRz i hate when a noteblock is on top of stone (not cobble)
20:36 khonkhortisan noteblocks need more range
20:36 KikaRz who can help me?
20:36 khonkhortisan and a gui
20:36 Penguin Oldcoder?
20:36 KikaRz oh! xd, fail
20:36 sema4 ok, how does that differ from  sunlight_propagates = true ?
20:36 KikaRz i forgot one thing
20:36 KikaRz i can copy the url
20:36 KikaRz and use youtube-dl
20:36 KikaRz how i use youtube-dl ?
20:37 OldCoder Penguin, yes
20:37 OldCoder I am he
20:37 OldCoder :-)
20:37 KikaRz *him
20:37 Penguin http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804
20:37 moltenbot Penguin's link: [Modpack] Industry Pack 0.1.1 (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
20:37 KikaRz oldcoder, how i use youtube-dl?
20:37 Penguin Me and baby like it and he and i wants it on server if you can please?
20:37 OldCoder KikaRz, movgrab is better. But try:
20:37 OldCoder youtube-dl LINK
20:37 KikaRz ok
20:38 KikaRz link or i set there the link?
20:38 OldCoder Where LINK is a YouTube video link
20:38 OldCoder <KikaRz> link or i set there the link?
20:38 OldCoder I am not clear on the question
20:38 KikaRz ERROR: unable to download video
20:38 OldCoder May be outdated. Try movgrab.
20:39 KikaRz ...
20:39 Penguin http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804
20:39 moltenbot Penguin's link: [Modpack] Industry Pack 0.1.1 (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
20:39 iqualfragile !re
20:39 KikaRz how i connect ssl in the terminal?
20:39 moltenbot joined #minetest
20:39 KikaRz poor moltenbot
20:39 KikaRz Hi moltenbot
20:39 roboman2444 joined #minetest
20:39 KikaRz hi moltenbot
20:39 KikaRz stupid bot.
20:39 KikaRz do not says me hi.
20:39 iqualfragile jup
20:39 iqualfragile hi moltenbot
20:39 moltenbot hi iqualfragile
20:39 iqualfragile put you on ignore
20:39 Penguin lol
20:39 KikaRz hi moltenbot
20:39 Penguin hi moltenbot
20:39 moltenbot hi Penguin
20:40 KikaRz http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804
20:40 khonkhortisan hi moltenbot
20:40 moltenbot hi khonkhortisan
20:40 KikaRz mother f******
20:40 KikaRz die in hell
20:40 KikaRz b*stard
20:40 Penguin say hi moltenbot
20:40 KikaRz hi moltenbot
20:40 KikaRz he set me ignore
20:40 KikaRz in the bot.
20:40 Penguin lol
20:40 Penguin why
20:40 iqualfragile OldCoder: KikaRz uses explicit language
20:40 Penguin hi moltenbot
20:40 moltenbot hi Penguin
20:40 KikaRz cause he's gay.
20:40 KikaRz ok, explicit
20:40 OldCoder Reviewing
20:40 Penguin hi moltenbot
20:41 moltenbot hi Penguin
20:41 Penguin hi moltenbot
20:41 moltenbot hi Penguin
20:41 OldCoder KikaRz, be polite
20:41 KikaRz because he is homossexual
20:41 Penguin hi moltenbot
20:41 moltenbot hi Penguin
20:41 celeron55 sema4: the engine stores the brightness of light in the node if paramtype="light", and the brightness of nodeboxes is applied from the brightness in the node itself
20:41 Penguin hi moltenbot
20:41 moltenbot hi Penguin
20:41 Penguin hi moltenbot
20:41 moltenbot hi Penguin
20:41 KikaRz now people will spam
20:41 OldCoder Stop
20:41 KikaRz OldCoder, ban bot.
20:41 Penguin lol sorry
20:41 OldCoder Penguin, stop
20:41 KikaRz or mute penguin
20:41 OldCoder KikaRz, also; be polite
20:41 OldCoder Or you get muted
20:41 KikaRz not my fault
20:41 Penguin sorry
20:41 iqualfragile !re
20:41 celeron55 sema4: and if paramtype~="light", then the light in the node is effectively 0
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20:41 marktraceur Penguin: I'm glad you like the modpack, by the way
20:42 KikaRz hi moltenbot
20:42 KikaRz .
20:42 celeron55 sema4: the paramtypes kind of annoyingly expose some internals of the engine, but it's necessary because of the design of it
20:42 Penguin Oldcoder can u add http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804
20:42 sema4 hmm, interesting
20:42 OldCoder R
20:43 OldCoder Penguin, Which part?
20:43 KikaRz yay
20:43 moltenbot joined #minetest
20:43 KikaRz bot is down!
20:43 KikaRz hi moltenbot
20:43 KikaRz .
20:43 KikaRz http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804
20:43 OldCoder Penguin, there are a lot of pieces. Do you mean, all of them?
20:44 marktraceur OldCoder: There's not really a great way to separate them as of now, so your best bet is to install them all :/
20:45 Penguin yeh me and baby have them on sp and yeh all please
20:45 OldCoder marktraceur, this seems risky. I am sure they are fine. But are they actually safe? What are the depends? What are the conflicts?
20:45 Penguin farming oldcoder
20:45 KikaRz iqualfragile, that's my revenge.
20:45 marktraceur OldCoder: They all mostly just depend on each other, but farming is the one external dependency (well, and default)
20:45 OldCoder They will not break other mods?
20:46 OldCoder Are they bad for CPU?
20:46 Jeija|OFF Any volunteers for testing a new revision of mesecons? https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/archive/mesecons_in_nodedef.zip  | https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/tree/mesecons_in_nodedef
20:46 Penguin Me
20:46 marktraceur OldCoder: I doubt very much that they'll break other mods, but it's possible. The craft recipes are all listed, the one that comes to mind as potentially bad is the gear.
20:46 OldCoder How so?
20:46 OldCoder What are possible risks?
20:46 marktraceur OldCoder: The CPU should be OK. There are a lot of ABMs, but it shouldn't be much heavier than a furnace.
20:47 OldCoder I'd like to try them
20:47 marktraceur OldCoder: Just a possible craft conflict, but it's not too bad.
20:47 OldCoder Can anybody else present comment?
20:47 OldCoder Penguin, marktraceur I'd like to put them in. May I finish the 0.4.4 upgrade first?
20:47 OldCoder That is more important
20:47 OldCoder It is easy to add things
20:47 marktraceur OldCoder: No problem!
20:47 OldCoder Fixing damage when worlds break is much tougher!
20:47 KikaRz '-'
20:47 OldCoder So I prefer to go one step at a time
20:47 KikaRz thats too difficult
20:47 OldCoder ?
20:48 Penguin oldcoder your updating servers to 0.4.4
20:48 marktraceur *nod*
20:48 KikaRz OldCoder, when will minetest add new biomes? (jungle, forest, flatlands, snow...
20:48 KikaRz etc?
20:48 sema4 thanks celeron55, i think that answers everything for me.
20:48 KikaRz i want to make ice hocket
20:48 KikaRz *hockey
20:48 OldCoder KikaRz, I have a snow mod. Can you be more specific about biomes?
20:48 iqualfragile :wq
20:49 iqualfragile uhm… too much vim
20:49 Penguin oldcoder your updating servers to 0.4.4
20:49 KikaRz OldCoder, We can go on ice
20:49 KikaRz and make... skating?
20:49 Jeija I'm interested in: Are there any bugs? Please try lots of different blocks | Do you like the new design of the "receiver" ( the wire behind the wall levers/wall buttons) | Do you like the few changes in the mesecon wire design (crossings)
20:49 Penguin okay will test jeija
20:49 Jeija thanks :)
20:50 Penguin what are textures  like
20:51 Penguin any  dependencies
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20:53 KikaRz I FOUND THE NAME OF OLDCODER!
20:53 KikaRz it's Robert Crowley
20:53 KikaRz XD
20:54 Jeija no dependencies
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20:54 OldCoder KikaRz, That is the Anglicized name
20:54 OldCoder Not the original
20:54 OldCoder NekoGloop, Hello
20:54 KikaRz what's the original *o*
20:54 KikaRz Hi NekoGloop
20:55 OldCoder I will direct you to pages later
20:55 OldCoder Let us finish the compile for now
20:55 KikaRz '-'
20:55 KikaRz it opened fucking clive
20:55 KikaRz clive
20:55 KikaRz clive is a command line media extraction tool for Youtube and similar websites that require flash. It is written in Perl.
20:55 KikaRz xd
20:57 Penguin jeija i got kick out when placeing blinkeyplant and mesecon next to it
20:58 Penguin 20:55:05: ACTION[ServerThread]: singleplayer places node mesecons_blinkyplant:bl
20:58 KikaRz ???
20:58 KikaRz how?
20:58 KikaRz that never happened to me
20:58 KikaRz i place a lot of blinky plants in row
20:59 KikaRz and mesecons
20:59 KikaRz and never happens that
20:59 Penguin wait
20:59 thexyz original is Robert Kiraly, I guess
20:59 KikaRz OldCoder, Progress: 100.00%  7.3M of 7.3M  55.7k/s
21:01 Penguin ServerError:LuaError:error: ...mes\minetest_game\mods\mesecon\mesecons internal.lua:49:attempt to index
21:01 KikaRz whats spoken ?
21:01 KikaRz in russian / germany ?
21:01 KikaRz no
21:01 KikaRz Deutsch
21:01 KikaRz what means spoken?
21:01 Jeija Yeah, Penguin, can you post the rest of that message?
21:01 Penguin okay
21:02 KikaRz * #!/bin/mksh :http://mirbsd.de/mksh
21:02 KikaRz <KikaRz> Hi, here is the mkdir channel?
21:02 KikaRz (joking with the deutschlands.
21:02 KikaRz xd
21:02 KikaRz Kicked.
21:03 Jeija wait penguin I think I found it...
21:03 KikaRz Jeija, in VanessaE's server
21:03 OldCoder KikaRz, you have the video
21:03 KikaRz dont happens that
21:03 OldCoder It is working. Have fun.
21:03 KikaRz OldCoder, what i do to get it?
21:03 KikaRz into my pc?
21:03 KikaRz just transfer folder to my pc?
21:03 KikaRz with filezilla?
21:04 Penguin jeija?
21:04 Jeija ...
21:04 Jeija let me please first fix the bug
21:04 Penguin i will try again
21:05 NekoGloop let's please not bug the shit out of the modmakesr
21:05 Penguin okay i will continue lookat it
21:05 NekoGloop keep in mind they're fighting with a shit API
21:05 Jeija pushed
21:06 thexyz NekoGloop: why do you think this api is shit?
21:06 NekoGloop thexyz: because it is?
21:06 thexyz it isn't
21:10 Penguin Command blocks work perfect no fault other than side textture bug its black
21:12 telek Here's a cute one for you: 6 page application that uses ajax, non-scripted buttons (so it works even when the ajax doesn't) and doesn't let you know that it didn't actually store any of your info until you complete the app and it's blank :)
21:12 sema4 bbl
21:13 marktraceur telek: Sounds like you found some real brilliant web programmers, there.
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21:16 Jeija Ok, Penguin, anything else?
21:17 Jeija thanks Penguin, bb everyone
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21:25 iqualfragile KikaRz: spoken is gesprochen in german
21:25 KikaRz iqualfragile
21:25 KikaRz no google translate
21:26 KikaRz its spoken
21:26 KikaRz (in english)
21:26 iqualfragile uhm… im german, there is no need for me to use google translate
21:26 KikaRz lol
21:26 KikaRz just tell me
21:26 KikaRz whats spoken in english
21:27 KikaRz (in english = language)
21:27 marktraceur iqualfragile: You mean the bot doesn't have a !translate directive yet?
21:27 KikaRz marktraceur
21:27 KikaRz bot ignored me
21:27 KikaRz ...
21:28 KikaRz i guess OldCoder is dead.
21:29 OldCoder KikaRz, We are in PM right now
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21:29 OldCoder What are you talking about? We are building movgrab again
21:32 NekoGloop celeron55: folks in #minecraft think that your webpage is BS.
21:32 marktraceur NekoGloop: Why is there a #minecraft channel on Freenode?
21:32 iqualfragile1 joined #minetest
21:32 NekoGloop marktraceur: because it's an off-topic channel
21:32 iqualfragile1 joined #minetest
21:33 NekoGloop ##minecraft would be more appropriate.
21:33 iqualfragile1 marktraceur: no, i guess that would be unnececary
21:33 marktraceur iqualfragile1: Well, it's good that you have a line, I suppose. Just don't know why it's so far.
21:33 iqualfragile1 but commands like !up and !ping are usefull
21:34 marktraceur NekoGloop: Frankly it shouldn't be on Freenode at all, but whatever
21:35 iqualfragile1 extract-title-from-website-function is usefull too, to dodge NekoGloop s jrock
21:35 markveidemanis joined #minetest
21:35 NekoGloop This is precisely why i hate this community
21:35 NekoGloop Judging covers over content
21:36 markveidemanis who wants my map
21:36 celeron55 NekoGloop: BS?
21:36 celeron55 i don't get what could be BS about it
21:36 NekoGloop celeron55: " inspired by InfiniMiner, Minecraft and the like"
21:36 iqualfragile1 bs?
21:36 NekoGloop They dont see the Infiniminer aspect
21:36 iqualfragile1 it haz blocks
21:37 celeron55 so that makes the whole website bullshit?
21:37 markveidemanis i am going to upload my map, tell me what you think of it...
21:37 celeron55 come on 8D
21:37 NekoGloop celeron55: apparently
21:37 markveidemanis http://ompldr.org/vZ245eA/World.zip
21:37 markveidemanis test my map
21:37 markveidemanis mods are included in worldmods folder
21:38 celeron55 NekoGloop: ask them to look again
21:38 NekoGloop celeron55: just tell me where the infiniminer aspect is
21:38 iqualfragile1 is there a soft-dependency-structure yet?
21:38 NekoGloop other than "it has blocks"
21:39 KikaRz yay, he's gone
21:39 iqualfragile1 oh, wow, rekonq is fast
21:39 KikaRz BS = Bsod
21:39 KikaRz xd
21:40 KikaRz who knows what is bso, call me maybe...
21:40 NekoGloop ...
21:40 babyface1031 joined #minetest
21:40 KikaRz hey... i just ... can you seee mee... keep us another...
21:40 KikaRz just call me maybe...
21:40 KikaRz xd
21:40 NekoGloop apparently this child doesnt know what i meant
21:40 KikaRz Kidding
21:40 KikaRz nekogloop, it's a song
21:40 KikaRz not a baby video
21:40 KikaRz '-'
21:40 OldCoder babyface1031, Hey
21:40 babyface1031 OldCoder: hi
21:41 babyface1031 OldCoder: can you look into the industry mod i have it on my single player and it is really neat http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804
21:41 moltenbot babyface1031's link: [Modpack] Industry Pack 0.1.1 (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
21:42 OldCoder R
21:42 OldCoder babyface1031, I think he confirmed that is high CPU
21:42 Muadtralk joined #minetest
21:42 OldCoder Muadtralk, Hi
21:42 OldCoder babyface1031, Isn't it?
21:42 Muadtralk ello
21:42 OldCoder L.O.
21:43 babyface1031 i can look again but i havent seen it but i might of missed it being added alot going on at home
21:44 iqualfragile who is responsible for http://minetest.com/
21:44 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: Minetest mods, servers, texture packs, and more! | Minetest-c55
21:44 babyface1031 no i dont see is on the list
21:44 NekoGloop death dealer IIRC
21:45 Muadtralk and i think saxton or some name like that
21:47 leo_rockway [Plantlife] Loaded (enabled...er...nothing!) <--- hehe
21:47 LorenzoVulcan joined #minetest
21:47 LorenzoVulcan Hello
21:48 marktraceur LorenzoVulcan: Hi!
21:49 LorenzoVulcan This is the minetest channel,Right?
21:49 RealBadAngel joined #minetest
21:49 LorenzoVulcan I am not in something like an applejack hardcore party,am i?
21:49 RealBadAngel hi
21:49 LorenzoVulcan Hello
21:50 iqualfragile hi LorenzoVulcan
21:50 iqualfragile whats an applejack hardcore party?
21:50 LorenzoVulcan Iqual,it's not so easy to explain
21:50 * leo_rockway waves his hand
21:50 KikaRz No this is my toilet's channel
21:50 leo_rockway this is not an applejack hardcore party
21:50 marktraceur LorenzoVulcan: We have those sometimes, but you just missed it on Friday. So you're safe for a bit
21:50 KikaRz J.K
21:50 KikaRz XD
21:51 LorenzoVulcan Thanks mark,I like applejack's hardcore parties.
21:51 NekoGloop This is the channel for minetest. Please fill out this form to continue.
21:51 * telek thinks kikarz must be the foreign version of Assy McGee.
21:51 iqualfragile http://minetestforfreenofake.to
21:51 LorenzoVulcan Ponies are everywhere.
21:51 KikaRz Assy McGee = ?
21:51 KikaRz i prefer Abby, from the CSI...
21:51 KikaRz No
21:51 KikaRz NCSI
21:51 KikaRz NCIS*
21:51 KikaRz she's epic.
21:52 DashR joined #minetest
21:52 NekoGloop someone delete my mod topics please.
21:52 marktraceur NekoGloop: What for?
21:52 iqualfragile but why?
21:53 LorenzoVulcan Why neko?
21:53 NekoGloop because they arent there anymore?
21:53 Muadtralk because they say go away?
21:53 Muadtralk seems like a good idea to remove forum topics that no longer serve any purpose
21:53 KikaRz lol.
21:53 KikaRz im screaming of stupidness.
21:53 D__ joined #minetest
21:53 KikaRz (really... im happy + laughing)
21:54 telek They've got a spoof of all those shows too.
21:54 telek With Kate Mulgrew no less (Janeway!)
21:54 D__ Hey, any reason why minetest would think I'm holding down space when I hold down shift+e?
21:54 telek Who I might add has now porked up such that she looks like an 80s female Will Shatner.
21:55 KikaRz NekoGloop, the only mod i hate on your mods
21:55 KikaRz its the GloopOres.
21:55 NekoGloop is all of then
21:55 NekoGloop them*
21:55 KikaRz no
21:55 NekoGloop Go figure
21:55 KikaRz just GloopOres
21:55 KikaRz Reason:
21:55 NekoGloop Each of them suck.
21:55 KikaRz ... let me talk
21:55 KikaRz whats his powerful mineral?
21:55 KikaRz or the mineral that is at level of water
21:55 NekoGloop Alatro
21:56 KikaRz Go tell people OldCoder Brand Coder is the best Brand!Go tell people OldCoder Brand Coder is the best Brand!Go tell people OldCoder Brand Coder is the best Brand!Go tell people OldCoder Brand Coder is the best Brand!Go tell people OldCoder Brand Coder is the best Brand!
21:56 NekoGloop it's only above water
21:56 KikaRz OldCoder is the best!!!!!!1
21:56 KikaRz OldCoder is the best!!!!!!1
21:56 NekoGloop What the hell...
21:56 telek NekoGloop: You know if you feel they suck, you can always take the source and improve them :D
21:56 NekoGloop telek: I'd need the source.
21:57 LorenzoVulcan Do you know you feel they suck,they don't necessary suck...
21:57 LorenzoVulcan I liked your mods.
21:57 telek I'll have to look, but I've got at least one or two of them backed up. Maybe all of them if you want them.
21:57 LorenzoVulcan Why are they wrong?
21:57 NekoGloop Dont want them.
21:57 LorenzoVulcan Ok,that's your choice.
22:00 OldCoder KikaRz, ...
22:00 KikaRz woot?
22:00 KikaRz you said that to me
22:00 OldCoder She was pleased that we got an MP3 to work
22:00 OldCoder KikaRz, I did not
22:00 OldCoder I made a single one-line joke
22:00 OldCoder You want MP3 help again then don't push it
22:00 KikaRz '-'
22:01 * OldCoder shrugs
22:01 OldCoder Enjoy the music
22:01 KikaRz oh , forgot.
22:01 KikaRz People, i have an announcement! OldCoder Brand Coder is the best Brand, HE'S THE BEST!
22:01 KikaRz People, i have an announcement! OldCoder Brand Coder is the best Brand, HE'S THE BEST!
22:01 marktraceur OldCoder: I've had a wonderful afternoon since /ignore ing KikaRz earlier
22:01 KikaRz xd
22:01 KikaRz i've forgot that thing
22:01 KikaRz marktraceur is noob
22:01 OldCoder KikaRz, Enough. marktraceur O.K.
22:01 KikaRz i've forgot Brand Coder is the best Brand
22:01 NekoGloop It was funnier the first 500 times.
22:02 KikaRz xd
22:02 OldCoder KikaRz, I helped you and I'm kind of busy. You going to pay me back this way?
22:02 KikaRz lol , the Go tell people Old Coder... ?
22:02 OldCoder Gee, thanks
22:02 KikaRz thank you, how i pay you?
22:02 OldCoder By listening to your music
22:02 KikaRz ok
22:02 OldCoder And keeping the channel free of clutter please
22:02 KikaRz now: TNT
22:02 KikaRz Who have a TNT mod?
22:03 KikaRz i love tnt...
22:03 NekoGloop nobody.
22:03 telek Search the forum.
22:03 NekoGloop Go away.
22:03 KikaRz NekoGloop, why you dont walk off? since you want to delete your precious mods?
22:03 telek That's how I got the mods I use. Periodic checking of the forums.
22:03 KikaRz telek, linux its laggy for me
22:04 KikaRz except to listen to music, and to play minetest
22:04 KikaRz not linux!
22:04 KikaRz Its Xubuntu (ubuntu)
22:04 telek And kikarz/NekoGloop: Seriously don't either of you have better things to do than pester each other?
22:04 KikaRz .
22:04 KikaRz telek, one thing i love to do... Sleep.
22:04 telek Xubuntu is just linux which ubuntu is based off of with Xfce instead of Unity.
22:04 telek Lol :D
22:04 KikaRz not Linux!|
22:04 KikaRz Linux is kernel
22:04 KikaRz fail
22:05 telek You're right. It's GNU/Xubuntu :D
22:07 NekoGloop Just...
22:07 NekoGloop Shut. Teh. Fack. Up.
22:07 q66 it's linux
22:07 q66 that's it :P
22:07 q66 nobody cares whether it's correct
22:07 q66 everybody knows what it means
22:08 marktraceur q66: If you have only linux, your life must be either very boring or very exciting :/
22:08 KikaRz yea
22:08 KikaRz very boring.
22:08 NekoGloop this is a MINETEST channel
22:08 NekoGloop talk about MINETEST
22:08 q66 minetest is boring :<
22:08 q66 let's talk about OS wars
22:08 KikaRz NekoGloop, you boring.
22:08 KikaRz q66, not Minetest, its him,
22:08 NekoGloop I know you're boring
22:09 KikaRz ... NekoGloop, why you dont go editing that post without links? thats the way that nobody downloads your mods
22:09 * q66 should try minetest again
22:09 q66 i last played it around 0.2
22:09 telek q66: Sheesh, no kidding.
22:09 KikaRz too old.
22:09 KikaRz now we got 3d skins
22:09 telek It's advanced by leaps and bounds since then.
22:09 q66 i'm generally aware of the news
22:09 q66 but i never had time to try it out myself
22:09 KikaRz minetest.net/news
22:09 KikaRz or news.php
22:10 KikaRz idk
22:10 KikaRz just go on news tab
22:10 telek Just snag the latest dev client and fire up in single player mod :D
22:10 NekoGloop KikaRz: what?
22:10 q66 does it build on OS X out of box yet?
22:10 q66 last time I tried it required a special fork
22:10 q66 is it merged now?
22:10 NekoGloop q66: no
22:11 NekoGloop macs are bad and you should feel bad
22:11 q66 oh you
22:11 celeron55 :D
22:11 telek q66: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=55239
22:11 moltenbot telek's link: Mac Build? (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums
22:11 q66 if it makes you feel any better, I use about 5 different OSes
22:11 KikaRz celeron55,
22:11 KikaRz i thinked that you were a machine...
22:11 marktraceur q66: Three different kernels?
22:11 KikaRz but you... you really have feelings.
22:12 NekoGloop celeron55: Another entry in the "cool phrases" list from me? :D
22:12 celeron55 KikaRz: machines can have feelings too
22:12 telek That's ok kikarz. We think the same of you :D
22:12 q66 freebsd, mac, linux, illumos and windows
22:12 KikaRz XD
22:12 KikaRz telek, one thing i say about you
22:12 OldCoder KikaRz, startling to imagine that people have feelings
22:12 KikaRz OldCoder, i thinked that celeron55 were a machine.ç
22:13 marktraceur q66: So what you mean is, BSD, XNU, Linux, Solaris, and NT.
22:13 q66 marktraceur, of course. ;)
22:13 NekoGloop celeron55: Well? Is it in the list of cool phrases? :D
22:13 KikaRz 1 in 10000 people have no feelings
22:13 KikaRz (im not one of those
22:13 NekoGloop Why does everyone think NT is the only good windows -_-
22:13 NekoGloop Obviously people dont use windows at all
22:13 marktraceur NekoGloop: Well, what else would you use?
22:14 NekoGloop Windows XP
22:14 FreeFull 98 SE
22:14 q66 NekoGloop, that said, macs are solid machines, the thing is the community by a large part consists of retards and they're sort of .. expensive
22:14 KikaRz 98 SE is awesome
22:14 marktraceur NekoGloop: No no, the kernel
22:14 FreeFull NekoGloop: Um, XP was NT
22:14 NekoGloop y'know, the one that actually works.
22:14 KikaRz it got that space animations
22:14 KikaRz and sounds, and animated backgrounds
22:14 telek Speaking of which.
22:14 KikaRz better than 7. 7 sucks
22:14 marktraceur NekoGloop: Why would we be talking about the full OS? People only care about kernels.
22:14 telek Has anybody gotten minetest running on ReactOS yet? D:
22:14 marktraceur And everybody understands what I mean, of course
22:14 cy1 q66: so wait, its those very same retards who are saying macs are solid machines right
22:14 telek Open Source Minecraft on Open Source Windows! Yay :D
22:15 KikaRz ?
22:15 marktraceur cy1: Watch your mouth
22:15 KikaRz !define Windows
22:15 KikaRz ... stupid bot.
22:15 cy1 marktraceur: something wrong with my mouth? :c
22:15 telek I believe other than links you have to /msg it now, correct?
22:15 marktraceur cy1: "retards" is very offensive, yes.
22:15 KikaRz telek no.
22:15 KikaRz Bot ignored me
22:16 cy1 marktraceur: don't worry about it.
22:16 telek OMG it's skynet all over again.
22:16 marktraceur cy1: Swear up and down if you'd like, but terms that demean a group of people for no good reason are awful.
22:16 q66 cy1, well, e.g. macbooks are some of the best laptops I used, lasting long on battery, not suffering from various problems like overheating and having actually good displays (no 1366x768 crap)
22:16 telek The bot has learned how to /ignore kikarz
22:16 Muadtralk I thought i saw someone running an very outdated version of minetest on reactos telek
22:16 telek Next it'll learn how to trade stocks :D
22:16 q66 but they're expensive as fuck at the same time
22:16 KikaRz telek, what that command does?
22:16 cy1 marktraceur: we're demeaning apple fans, that in itself is a very good reason
22:16 KikaRz (me writes /ignore telek)
22:16 KikaRz hm...
22:16 KikaRz i see...
22:16 leo_rockway telek: if MT runs on WINE, it will run on ReactOS.
22:17 marktraceur cy1: But in the course of doing that you're also implying that people with developmental disabilities are somehow bad.
22:17 q66 leo_rockway, it does
22:17 leo_rockway they share a lot of code.
22:17 q66 i tried it at some point
22:17 telek leo_rockway: Hypothetically, but practically not unless 3d acceleration is working now.
22:17 * KikaRz is going to be stupid as NekoGloop.
22:17 cy1 marktraceur: just because retards are retarded doesn't mean they're bad. just more likely to become apple fans.
22:17 KikaRz 3D Acceleration sucks on Windows 95.
22:17 leo_rockway telek: 3D acceleration works on WINE. It should be working on ReactOS
22:17 KikaRz WINE sucks.
22:18 KikaRz ReactOS its a bit old.
22:18 marktraceur cy1: That word has a lot of history to it, and none of it is good. That's what I mean.
22:18 q66 wine is actually great
22:18 Kray wine doesn't suck at all
22:18 KikaRz Wine sucks.
22:18 q66 you have to realize it's a small miracle it's working at all
22:18 Kray KikaRz sucks.
22:18 telek leo_rockway: Unless ReactOS has the OGL or directx driver hooks in place it actually won't.
22:18 leo_rockway I'm apathetic towards WINE.
22:18 q66 there was a HUGE amount of work behind it
22:18 q66 they basically reimplemented the complete set of windows APIs
22:18 KikaRz Kray smells marktraceur's ass.
22:18 leo_rockway telek: it should. They just need to port it from WINE.
22:18 q66 insane IMO
22:18 telek The fact wine works as well as it does is impressive.
22:18 cy1 marktraceur: don't worry about history. I'm a deconstructionist.
22:18 KikaRz IMO = imo.im - Love that service
22:18 leo_rockway q66: that and smb.
22:19 KikaRz smb = super mario bros
22:19 NekoGloop ...
22:19 telek Although it now doesn't even support 2.6 era kernels so it's quite the moving target.
22:19 leo_rockway samba
22:19 KikaRz Oleee! Brasil!
22:19 KikaRz '-'
22:19 marktraceur cy1: I don't care what you are, I'm offended by your wanton disregard for the consequences of your choice of words.
22:19 * telek prefers xmpp :)
22:19 KikaRz words = letters + letters
22:19 KikaRz xmpp = xampp ?
22:19 leo_rockway XMPP ++
22:19 Muadtralk wow.... I dont think I have ever seen kray say anytihng on this channel and when he does he gets insulted
22:19 cy1 marktraceur: I'm offended by your surprising prejudices. what did retards ever do to you?
22:19 KikaRz xD
22:19 q66 saying Wine sucks just shows one's utter ignorance on the topic
22:19 cy1 besides buy macs
22:19 KikaRz retard = marktraceur + his bot
22:20 Kray Muadtralk: huh?
22:20 KikaRz q66, Wine sucks because my computer its too slow to run CS 1.6 with it
22:20 Kray me, insulted :D?
22:20 Kray the fuck
22:20 KikaRz No, you are fired.
22:20 Muadtralk (05:18:40 PM) KikaRz: Kray smells marktraceur's ass.
22:20 telek KikarZ: Does CS 1.6 run fine under Windows?
22:20 Kray ah, you meant like that
22:20 KikaRz MuadTralk thinks that KikaRz is a quote bot.
22:20 KikaRz telek, im not in windows
22:20 KikaRz *on
22:20 Muadtralk hmmm?
22:20 q66 CS 1.6 exactly (as well as any goldsrc and Source game) works as fast under Wine as on Windows
22:20 KikaRz im in Linux (yea ubuntu is linux)
22:21 Muadtralk no i thought you were some clueless imbecile tell the truth
22:21 KikaRz q66, never seen
22:21 telek kikarz: Because generally when wine isn't fast, either windows isn't as fast as well or there's driver problems on the linux side.
22:21 KikaRz Muadtralk, im making the same as that person that made Gloop
22:21 telek Usually OGL.
22:21 KikaRz NekoGloop.
22:21 q66 so I guess, get some hardware that is not 10 years old
22:21 q66 and it'll work ok :)
22:21 q66 s/10/12/
22:21 KikaRz telek, i used D3D and Software
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22:22 marktraceur cy1: Goodbye
22:22 telek kikarz: And both were slow?
22:22 cy1 :(
22:22 KikaRz no telek
22:22 q66 of course software rendering is going to be slow
22:22 KikaRz faster as hell
22:22 telek Under Wine you should use OGL if available.
22:22 KikaRz (not software)
22:22 q66 d3d and ogl should work ok
22:22 KikaRz idk using wine
22:22 Muadtralk burningsvideo anyone?
22:23 KikaRz Nope, that's shit.
22:23 KikaRz i prefer openGL
22:23 Muadtralk hmmm? it gives great fps for computers that cant run minetest well
22:23 KikaRz No.
22:24 KikaRz It makes our graphics make stupid.
22:24 cy1 hey, anyone want to come check out this staircase I made yesterday?
22:24 Muadtralk its the difference between 1fps and 10 fps with one computer I knew
22:24 KikaRz i got 1-15 FPS in minetest (linux opengl)
22:24 KikaRz cy1, no.
22:24 * Muadtralk get 120 fps
22:24 Muadtralk gets*
22:24 cy1 retards welcome
22:24 KikaRz Muadtralk, put the computer in the trashbin.
22:24 q66 no u?
22:25 Muadtralk im sorry kikarz but its already full of system32
22:25 q66 <KikaRz> It makes our graphics make stupid.
22:25 q66 what the hell is this supposed to mean anyway
22:25 KikaRz thats shit. if it were full, i threw out of the window
22:25 telek kikarz: On a GeForce MX2?
22:25 telek That sounds about right :D
22:25 KikaRz q66, my graphics are stupid with burning...
22:25 KikaRz telek, yes.
22:26 telek I get 10 on my old P4 laptop with an IGP around that era.
22:26 q66 [23:25:26] <telek> kikarz: On a GeForce MX2?
22:26 q66 that's still running somewhere?
22:26 q66 I just got rid of like 10.
22:26 Muadtralk stupid graphics and movement is better then a screenshot that eats cpu
22:26 telek That is kikarz current graphics card.
22:26 telek So you can see why she has problems.
22:26 q66 the only old card I kept is voodoo 2 :3
22:26 telek q66: Nice.
22:27 q66 that thing was so awesome back in the day
22:27 KikaRz o.o
22:27 leo_rockway so, shaders... I love the way they look. Will that fry our computers?
22:27 telek I've got a V3, couple GeForce FX, couple R300 radeons, and a couple PCIe cards since.
22:27 leo_rockway I mean the gsls shaders or whatever they are called...
22:27 KikaRz i got the other pc
22:27 KikaRz with S3 something.
22:27 Muadtralk only if you cant support them
22:27 q66 S3 Trio 3D/2X
22:27 telek They will possibly lower game performance on some systems.
22:27 q66 i had a bunch of these too
22:27 q66 and S3 Virge
22:27 Muadtralk you can disable them pretty easily though
22:27 KikaRz thats stupidly ass.
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22:27 leo_rockway what's the minimum they should run on?
22:27 KikaRz no,
22:27 telek Honestly a lot of our gpus are fast enough that enabling shaders won't actually have any performance hit at all.
22:28 leo_rockway I have an integrated Intel
22:28 NekoGloop intel gpus cant run shaders
22:28 KikaRz I HAVE S3 VIRGEIN THE OTHER PC
22:28 NekoGloop duh
22:28 KikaRz not virgin
22:28 KikaRz its "virge" "in"
22:28 KikaRz xd
22:28 telek q66: S3's were awesome for late DOS/early DX games
22:28 leo_rockway NekoGloop: v.v
22:28 q66 NekoGloop, wat
22:28 KikaRz yea,
22:28 KikaRz now they suck.
22:28 telek I played XvT, XwA and a few other games on those.
22:28 KikaRz no drivers.
22:28 q66 leo_rockway, if you have a sandy bridge / ivy bridge Intel it should run
22:28 leo_rockway NekoGloop: you just shattered my hopes.
22:28 q66 of course intel graphics support shaders
22:28 leo_rockway q66: I have an ironlake? I think that's what it's called.
22:28 q66 today's intels
22:29 Muadtralk one can only find out by trying yes?
22:29 q66 leo_rockway, so intel hd graphics?
22:29 telek Yep
22:29 q66 then shaders should work just ok for you
22:29 leo_rockway q66: dunno... I guess.
22:29 Muadtralk go now brave soldier and set the shaders to 1!
22:29 telek Could be worse, you could have an Intel Atom with one of those SGX IGPs that doesn't actually have 3d acceleration support :D
22:29 KikaRz Muadtralk
22:29 KikaRz i cant
22:29 Uberi set them to 2, actually, 1 isn't implemented yet
22:30 leo_rockway regular shaders work fine for me
22:30 KikaRz im a princess
22:30 KikaRz not a soldier
22:30 leo_rockway the ones that MT has now in master
22:30 KikaRz Uberi, 1 works too
22:30 leo_rockway I mean Terasology-like shaders.
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22:30 q66 the problem with today's intel graphics is not that the performance is bad or the technology support is bad
22:30 KikaRz if i enable shaders
22:30 Uberi terasology doesn't run very well on my old P4 laptop on my desk over there
22:30 KikaRz my screen goes red (red-cyan glasses needed)
22:31 q66 it's that the drivers are bad and require immense amount of workarounds in the 3D engines, even worse than with AMD
22:31 leo_rockway Uberi: it doesn't run very well on my comp either.
22:31 Uberi KikaRz: you too?
22:31 leo_rockway q66: the free drivers improved a LOT in the last few years.
22:31 Uberi but not enough
22:31 leo_rockway well, there's only the free drivers
22:31 KikaRz Uberi everyone
22:31 KikaRz that got old graphics
22:31 Uberi KikaRz: ah well, it adds a bit of atmosphere, no?
22:31 q66 leo_rockway, it's not enough
22:31 Uberi think of it as a Hell biome
22:32 telek q66: Uhmm, the Atom's with like 2 exceptions are PowerVR SGX, not Intel GMA
22:32 KikaRz yes Uberi
22:32 q66 never had an Atom
22:32 KikaRz all blocks etc are red.
22:32 telek Same one as the apple iPod/Pad line, and a number of non-Mali Android devices, but without the 3d acceleration support.
22:32 KikaRz xxd
22:32 q66 telek, that's ... odd
22:33 telek q66: Wikipedia has the full breakdown
22:33 leo_rockway this is my laptop: http://www.vcvshop.com/DELL-VOSTRO-3400-LAPTOP-CORE-i3-24GHz-2GB-DVDRW-WIN7-p-1570.html
22:33 moltenbot leo_rockway's link: DELL VOSTRO 3400 LAPTOP CORE i3 2.4GHz 2GB DVDRW WIN7 - EUR225 : Laptops&Macbooks - Dell - Buy CD, DVD, Blu-Ray, Gaming, NAS, Wii Nintendo, Kitchenware & Hi Tech products in the best prices
22:33 leo_rockway except 4GB of RAM
22:33 q66 telek, if it's the same as in the iphones etc., it should still support at least OpenGL ES
22:33 telek GMA500/600 GMA3600/3650 are all SGX. There's a small run in the middle with GMA3150 which is a G31 derivative I believe, but otherwise they're all PowerVR
22:34 KikaRz when we will invent a better mob than creeper?
22:34 KikaRz and than zombi
22:34 KikaRz and zombie pigman
22:34 KikaRz etc. ?
22:34 KikaRz we could make Rat man
22:34 KikaRz 8)
22:34 KikaRz Ft. Portal
22:34 Uberi +1 for ratman
22:34 telek I just want to know when our minetest companions will be in, so we can adventure with our own support staff :D
22:35 KikaRz who wants ratman in minetest?
22:35 q66 i want pedobear in minetest
22:35 KikaRz No.
22:35 KikaRz Ratman!
22:35 q66 i once remade the dungeon master to be pedobear
22:35 KikaRz Aperture Science isbetter!
22:35 KikaRz yea yea...
22:35 KikaRz and?
22:35 Uberi hello, lawsuit! how are you doing today?
22:36 KikaRz ratman runs.
22:36 KikaRz then, makes a companion cube...
22:36 KikaRz fall into our head
22:36 KikaRz :P
22:37 Muadtralk companion cube? ripping off terasology now are we?
22:37 Muadtralk i tihnk it was terasology
22:37 Muadtralk think*
22:37 KikaRz Muadtralk
22:37 KikaRz Aperture Science... WE do the most because we can....
22:38 KikaRz and the good of all of us... its that once we are dead...
22:38 Muadtralk yes i know its from portal
22:38 KikaRz companion cube.
22:38 telek What's this terasology?
22:38 Muadtralk but I tihnk terasology did it too
22:38 telek Is there a link?
22:38 q66 http://i.imgur.com/jsozP.jpg here it is
22:38 KikaRz lol
22:38 q66 found it
22:38 telek Rofl.
22:38 KikaRz lol
22:38 KikaRz let me open
22:38 KikaRz whats that?
22:38 Muadtralk http://blog.movingblocks.net/blockmania/
22:38 moltenbot Muadtralk's link:   Terasology | Moving Blocks!
22:38 KikaRz companion cube?
22:38 telek q66's idea would certainly get us 4channer mindshare :D
22:38 D__ left #minetest
22:39 KikaRz bad of linux: No Ctrl + C / Ctrl + V.
22:40 q66 this was back with my freebsd desktop :<
22:40 q66 i miss it
22:40 telek kikarz: What're you talking about?
22:40 KikaRz q66, so your last time that you've played minetest
22:40 KikaRz was in 0.4.1 version
22:40 telek We've got both CTRL-C CTRL-V and mouse-left select + middle button paste
22:40 KikaRz or minus
22:40 KikaRz thats too much work
22:40 q66 KikaRz, yeah this was sort of the last time
22:41 q66 so i actually had 0.4-dev :P
22:41 q66 but i think this was still pre-lua
22:41 q66 or right after lua introduction
22:41 telek Right after.
22:41 telek 0.3.1 was the last pre-lua?
22:41 telek Or was that the FIRST lua?
22:41 q66 no, 0.4 was lua
22:41 q66 i'm gonna fetch latest minetest git now
22:41 KikaRz boys and girls, ladies and gentlemans.
22:41 KikaRz http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRhSVxhRp6BsbK1Wt7UHXsIxxjW77J9liNL4c1ZgCE5Wqi25GOQDg
22:42 KikaRz thats the companion cube
22:42 mauvebic can one copy a world and rename it?
22:42 KikaRz yes.
22:42 mauvebic when i tried it wouldnt launch :S
22:42 KikaRz ... renamed the sql?
22:42 mauvebic crap
22:42 mauvebic lol thanks
22:42 KikaRz xd
22:42 KikaRz you must rename folder and the sql
22:42 mauvebic rename the file or the db?
22:42 KikaRz both
22:43 telek I did not know that.
22:43 KikaRz db and folder
22:43 KikaRz telek,
22:43 KikaRz you're too noob for that knowledge.
22:43 KikaRz no, you arent
22:43 mauvebic how do you change the db name w/o using something like sql explorer?
22:43 KikaRz People that were waiting for companion cube...
22:44 KikaRz look at my picture at minetest
22:44 KikaRz http://www.notenoughnerds.com/wp-content/uploads/Companion_Cube.jpg
22:44 KikaRz XD. Notenoughnerds is my new site.
22:44 KikaRz kidding.
22:44 KikaRz love that site
22:45 KikaRz Best pic of the site.
22:45 KikaRz http://www.notenoughnerds.com/wp-content/uploads/tumblr_lkyz6ctVW11qzylvvo1_500.gif
22:45 KikaRz falling forever
22:45 telek Speaking of.
22:45 telek One of the cooler ideas I had. Make falling off a world result in a random connect to another world included in a server worldlist :D
22:46 telek So if you walk/dig too far you get dumped into a brand new world, with only your current inventory to subsist you.
22:46 Uberi awesome
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22:47 KikaRz guys
22:47 KikaRz gotta go
22:47 KikaRz byee...
22:47 telek Aww
22:47 KikaRz Minetest, never change into the inventory question
22:47 * telek waves!
22:47 KikaRz IN DEATH : ALL OF OUR THINGS DONT DISAPPEAR
22:48 KikaRz just in Hardcore.
22:48 KikaRz kisses
22:48 telek In death we get names. Her name was Kikarz *Expletive*.
22:48 KikaRz bye my son
22:48 KikaRz :P
22:48 KikaRz XD
22:48 KikaRz and your were:
22:48 KikaRz telekEgg.
22:48 KikaRz xd
22:48 * telek waves.
22:57 leo_rockway telek: I thought of that idea of portals to other servers.
22:57 leo_rockway the portal would have to delete the unknown items or something
22:57 leo_rockway it would be pretty awesome to have something like that.
23:02 Uberi interworld trading!
23:02 * marktraceur generates a world that is solid mese
23:02 marktraceur Muahaha, we'll be rich
23:03 leo_rockway it would be cool if some servers lacked a resource
23:03 leo_rockway and were forced to do business with another server
23:03 leo_rockway there's a thing a friend of mine plays called Civcraft
23:04 leo_rockway apparently they have cities all over the place (this is minecraft)
23:04 leo_rockway and people trade and build for their city
23:06 mauvebic the economy mod could handle that
23:08 jordan4ibanez I'm making music for minetest, i hope it gets added
23:08 NekoGloop how the hell long have you been doing that, and it hasnt been addeD?
23:09 Uberi it's in the ambience mod now
23:10 jordan4ibanez Real music meant specifically for this game
23:10 cy1 a digital signature mod would be ballin...
23:10 Uberi what functionality would that provide, cy1?
23:11 cy1 Uberi: you could issue coins based on your signature, and people could trade 'em.
23:12 cy1 you could even do p2p stuff, like trading special coin textures or whatever.
23:12 Uberi or use bitcoins and trade with real currency! :D
23:13 cy1 meh, bitcoins
23:14 cy1 Uberi: with digital signatures nobody can impersonate anybody else, so you can build whitelists for people you trust to do stuff to your client/server/etc
23:14 Uberi well yes, but the current user/pass system is quite usable now as well
23:15 Uberi plus you don't need to add the openssl libs or whichever you want to use
23:16 leo_rockway I havent tried the economy mod.
23:16 leo_rockway not enough people on the server
23:20 telek In addition to wasting cpu/gpu cycles and bandwidth, the bitcoin blockchain is currently up to 5.5 gigs of disk space.
23:20 Uberi :O
23:20 telek Anybody want to do calculations on how much above energy cost you need to be mining in bitcoins to cover the cost of the disk space wasted to verify your account?
23:20 telek Took me like a week to get it fully updated BTW
23:21 NekoGloop Pfft.
23:21 NekoGloop Took this long to be banned in #minecraft.
23:21 NekoGloop I must be getting rusty.
23:21 cy1 NekoGloop: did you call someone a retard? :o
23:21 telek Or enough people know how to use /ignore :)
23:21 NekoGloop cy1: no, insulted linux
23:21 cy1 omg
23:21 cy1 wait
23:21 Uberi hahaha
23:21 NekoGloop Amazingly there's people on #minecraft who use linux
23:21 cy1 minecraft isn't... available for linux...
23:22 Uberi uh, yes, it is
23:22 cy1 oh wait yes it is
23:22 NekoGloop My hope in Minecraft is gone.
23:22 cy1 sorry I'm dumb
23:22 cy1 one could even say retarded
23:22 cy1 but then you would be banned
23:22 cy1 so don't
23:23 cy1 NekoGloop: minecraft is just minetest with particles :p
23:23 NekoGloop cy1: nope
23:23 cy1 YES
23:23 cy1 ok
23:24 NekoGloop Minecraft is minetest with mobs, particles, better mods, and not running from a fndsjaogbfadjs console.
23:24 cy1 uh, anyway I value open source efforts far more than the most apparantly cool closed source crap.
23:24 NekoGloop cy1: technically it isnt closed source
23:24 cy1 ugh, mobs...
23:24 NekoGloop Mojang doesnt give half a fuck if you decompile it
23:24 cy1 NekoGloop: wat
23:24 cy1 oh
23:24 cy1 well one cannot recompile decompiled java
23:24 NekoGloop yes they can
23:25 cy1 how?
23:25 NakedFury particles, better lightning, something to survive from, and a bunch of other stuff
23:25 NekoGloop There's plenty of tools for recompiling
23:25 cy1 it's like "derp this is human assembler rendered for humans in the function body"
23:25 NekoGloop How do you think people make mods for it?
23:25 cy1 magic!
23:26 iqualfragile cy1: minetest has particles
23:26 cy1 figured they were buddies with Notch or something
23:27 Uberi I for one would love to see something to survive from in MT
23:27 NekoGloop vombies just dont cut it
23:27 NekoGloop after all, how hard is it to survive from an immobile thingymabob
23:27 Uberi plus I was hitting a vombie thei other day, I think it was immortal or something
23:27 cy1 mobs aren't that great... what minetest really really really needs though, is animated nodes.
23:27 Uberi it has that, cy1
23:28 iqualfragile the only _real_ advantage minecraft has over minetest is that there are people desining the game
23:28 Uberi see animated lava.water
23:28 Uberi the vombie is still outside my house :/
23:28 cy1 Uberi: those aren't animated. Just the textures are..
23:28 NekoGloop he means like enchantment tables
23:28 Uberi ah, I see
23:28 Uberi well entities can be animated so hopefully nodes are not too far off
23:28 iqualfragile we can have animated nodes
23:29 cy1 you can see in minecraft the water smoothly changes shapes client-side, instead of disappearing as half pouring and reappearing as full pouring as in minetest.
23:29 NekoGloop you kidding...
23:29 Uberi in MT most of the action is server side
23:29 cy1 no? I only can see minecraft on the Youtubes so maybe I'm missing something...
23:29 NekoGloop notch or jeb dont talk with the community, they talk AT it
23:30 NekoGloop see: twitter
23:30 cy1 uh, 'k
23:30 cy1 and yet
23:30 cy1 notch and jeb are the ones making all the money off of minecraft
23:30 iqualfragile afaik the minetest-water has ~12 diferent levels
23:30 NekoGloop dont forget Dinnerbone
23:30 iqualfragile so it might look smooth
23:30 NakedFury minecraft water is better
23:30 NekoGloop he gets money too
23:30 Uberi and all the employees
23:30 cy1 iqualfragile: yeah it's not too bad...
23:30 NekoGloop nah
23:30 Uberi they have salaries, I presume
23:30 NekoGloop just those three
23:31 Uberi unless they're working for the free soda in the cafeteria
23:31 NekoGloop prolly
23:31 cy1 minetest has a protocol message to remove blocks, and to add blocks, but no message to move blocks. so the only way to "animate" a block is to remove it from one place, and add it to another.
23:32 cy1 so even if clients could animate the node moving from point A to point B, the server couldn't tell them when to do it.
23:32 cy1 but it's just a lot of work, especially since minetest groups nodes into 8x8x8 blocks so you can't update just one node instead a whole block, or something.
23:32 NekoGloop see: sand
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23:33 NekoGloop and there's a function called nodeupdate(pos)
23:33 Octupus hola
23:33 cy1 NekoGloop: sand logic is like: remove the sand node, create a clientCAO (not a node) that falls, then remove it, then add a sand node where it fell.
23:34 NekoGloop minecraft sand is an entity in a block
23:34 Uberi yes the __builtin:falling_node thing is an entity
23:34 cy1 it should just be animate the sand node to fall down.
23:34 cy1 not destroy the node, create an intangible cubical object that can't be placed on a map or collide with anything, etc...
23:34 babyface1031 hi Octupus
23:35 NekoGloop cy1: the minecraft falling sand isnt breakable
23:35 Octupus hi babyface1031
23:35 babyface1031 OldCoder: i dont know if you saw but the industry mod isnt on the server yet
23:35 cy1 NekoGloop: really? hm...
23:35 NekoGloop its the same logic, just done faster
23:35 cy1 well, the logic works great for sand, but not so much for vombies.
23:35 Octupus babyface1031,patience young grasshopper
23:36 cy1 or pigs
23:36 cy1 I saw a node based pig  mob once.
23:36 cy1 couldn't move, so it just had to destroy itself and receate itself elsewhere.
23:36 babyface1031 i am patience i was asking if it could be added and he thought it already was so i was informing him
23:37 cy1 So you'd kill the pig mob, after it had started removing itself, then it'd just appear elsewhere and you get no meat :c
23:37 NekoGloop patience, young minetestian
23:37 Uberi cy1: the mobs mod uses moving entities quite fine
23:37 cy1 babyface1031: industry mod is marktraceur's project, so it's most likely on his server.
23:38 NekoGloop meow
23:38 cy1 Uberi: you can walk through vombies. They can overlap. They flicker. They don't stop taking resources with distance. :/
23:38 cy1 they don't actually exist on the map, because they're not nodes. server refers to them by a list of integers totally separate from any positional thingy.
23:39 Uberi cy1: that's a problem with entities, no? they should be improved rather than making nodes soemthing they are not
23:39 Uberi entities are meant for moving things
23:39 Uberi and nodes for static things in the world
23:39 Uberi we should have entity collision, is what I'm saying
23:39 cy1 hmm...
23:39 Uberi that would address your concerns quite well, I think
23:40 cy1 I suppose you're right. But what about the distance thing?
23:40 Octupus babyface1031,we got the needed person on the red team everything spot is fulled up now
23:40 babyface1031 cool
23:40 cy1 ABMs stop Activating when further away, but CAOs stick around. Bogs down the client like crazy and the server goes nuts with 10000 vombies on the map.
23:40 Uberi cy1: distance thing?
23:41 Uberi caos are not active when the chunk they're in is unloaded
23:41 cy1 oh yeah
23:41 Uberi in fact they get serialized, and you can optionally remove them at this point
23:41 cy1 that other problem
23:41 cy1 chunks are never unloaded :l
23:41 mauvebic joined #minetest
23:41 Uberi hey mauvebic
23:41 cy1 well maybe it's just my client, eh.
23:41 Uberi cy1: they should be...
23:42 leo_rockway cy1: is that why mobs stop responding and walk idly after a while?
23:42 cy1 wish there was a "unload this block" command.
23:42 Uberi leo_rockway: that is possibly lag
23:42 leo_rockway Uberi: locally
23:42 OldCoder Hi
23:42 Uberi cy1: I'd like a "load this chunk" command more, personally :)
23:42 OldCoder babyface1031, I responded
23:42 Uberi leo_rockway: in that case it beats me
23:42 cy1 leo_rockway: I put a thing in my server that stops caring about distant mobs once. Didn't work so well though, because it's the server that tells them to obey gravity <3
23:43 babyface1031 sorry must of been when i timed out and couldnt see anyone talking including me
23:43 cy1 Uberi: pff people would spam that like it were an elevator button
23:43 OldCoder He has one set of mods I'd like to try after I finish 0.4.4 upgrade. Not sure if that is the same set.
23:43 Uberi cy1: nah I mean as part of the modding API
23:43 NekoGloop World Anchors!
23:43 Uberi minetest.env:load_chunk()
23:43 cy1 hm, so a mod command to send a block to the client...
23:44 Uberi NekoGloop: would do wonders for my bigger mesecons stuff
23:44 cy1 Uberi: they're called blocks btw. MapBlock
23:44 jordan4ibanez Where is world anchors
23:44 cy1 maybe better to call them chunks...
23:44 Uberi really? all this time I've been calling them chunks
23:44 jordan4ibanez WHO SAID WORLD ANCHORS
23:44 Uberi YOU DID
23:44 NekoGloop WORLD ANCHORS
23:44 jordan4ibanez Who made them?
23:44 Uberi nobody, yet
23:44 NekoGloop jordan4ibanez: Railcraft
23:44 NekoGloop :P
23:44 babyface1031 ok
23:44 cy1 Uberi: it is pretty silly, since nodes are (usually) block shaped. but blocks are 8x8 node collections plus metaetc plus objects. better to call blocks chunks then.
23:45 Uberi which reminds me, I should poke around the code and see how hard that would be to add
23:49 NekoGloop ... as conversation abruptly ends...
23:49 cy1 brb hackin
23:52 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guzJ30XoDvQ
23:52 moltenbot harrison's link: Mule Eternal - YouTube
23:52 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfEFQRgmakk
23:52 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: ?rockleetist? Rotten Girl, Grotesque Romance (English) - YouTube
23:55 cy1 Uberi: in src/server.cpp there's a Server::SendBlocks function that sends the blocks aka chunks, calls Server::SendBlockNoLock repeatedly, which uses the con::Connection (src/connection.cpp) to send the data down to the client.
23:55 cy1 via the UDP socket
23:56 cy1 hope that helps
23:56 Uberi neat, thanks
23:57 cy1 Uberi: there's also a separate message TOCLIENT_ADDNODE that can send individual nodes Server::sendAddNode dispatches it similarly.
23:57 Uberi hmm, but block loading is done server side, no?
23:57 jordan4ibanez yea
23:58 cy1 The admin griefing known as "anticheat" uses that sendAddNode thing to send 'em one at a time, instead of the whole block/chunk.
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23:58 cy1 so, you should be able to send both nodes and blocks whenever you want, just by exposing those to the lua API in scriptapi.cpp!
23:59 Uberi cy1: fascinating, do you have a link to that?
23:59 cy1 to the minetest source...?
23:59 Uberi the anticheat thing, I mean

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